China is re-producing Enthusiast Cars: Is it a Good Thing?

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast

Episode: "China is re-producing Enthusiast Cars: Is it a Good Thing?"
Date: July 9, 2026
Hosts: Matt Farah & Zack Klapman

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Matt and Zack cover a range of topics in the automotive enthusiast world. The main focus centers on the burgeoning Chinese industry re-manufacturing unibody chassis for classic enthusiast vehicles. They discuss hands-on impressions from high-performance car reviews, preparations for an upcoming Crown Vic oval race, and the philosophical and practical questions raised by replica and restomod vehicles. The hosts retain their characteristic banter, weaving in jokes, personal stories, and honest industry observations.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Track Impressions: Czinger 21C High Downforce (09:35–24:40)

• Matt describes driving the Czinger 21C High Downforce at Willow Springs:
  • Quote: "Here's how you could tell the downforce works: my words are not very good in this video. It's not my best driving and talking because this car is very fast, very scary." – Matt (12:45)
• Details intense physical effort, disconnects between downforce in high/low-speed corners, and the seat comfort.
• Discussion about how talking and driving simultaneously gets exponentially harder in extreme-performance cars.
  • Quote: "It's like talking while exercising or lifting weights. Your brain has a traction circle too!" – Zack (18:15)
• Notes on early production quirks and nuances of the car's development.

2. Upcoming Race: Cletus McFarland’s Crown Vic Oval Event (30:44–36:18)

• Matt and Zack reveal they're entered in a Cletus McFarland-organized Crown Vic race at Stafford Motor Speedway, competing directly against professional NASCAR drivers.
  • Quote: "Zack and I are in the happy-to-be-there category. The headline is every NASCAR driver entered in Cletus McFarlane. How long before this just becomes NASCAR?" – Matt (31:30)
• Address nerves about competing with experienced oval racers and strategize around nitrous usage and car decoration.
• Lightheartedly plot to let their young nephews paint their race car.

3. Personal Gear & Adventures (27:01–30:44)

• Matt discusses prepping for a Vespa road trip: new helmet, Bluetooth comms, riding jeans, and gloves.
• Comments on the evolving safety and comfort tech in motorcycle gear, as well as riding experiences.

4. Main Theme: Chinese Reproduction of Enthusiast Unibody Cars (41:05–50:25)

• Discussion centers on Larry Chen’s documentary visit to Jungchen, a Chinese company now pressing and assembling unibody chassis for beloved classics like the Toyota AE86, Nissan 240SX, and Land Cruiser.
• Delve into the philosophy and legality of full-bodied replicas:
  • Quote: "As the quality of car construction goes up with replicas, real doesn't necessarily mean good—especially today, with old cars sometimes driving poorly." – Matt (47:50)
• Highlight advances (galvanized steel, better rust protection), potential quality control issues, and the lack of final assembly in China.
• Raise legal concerns about intellectual property, especially when copying Porsche 964s.
• Compare to U.S. restomod companies like Revology and discuss whether these cars count as "real."

5. Industry Commentary: Enthusiast Cars & Replicas (47:50–50:25)

• Reflections on the changing perception of replica and restomod cars:
  • Quote: “People are actually more impressed now when you tell them it’s a Revology Mustang, not disappointed like with replicas in the past.” – Matt (49:10)
• Philosophical debate on authenticity vs. quality and drive experience.

6. Listener Q&A: Industry, Products, and Car Culture (54:09–87:50)

• Touch on diverse topics including:
  • Tesla Autopilot legal cases & product liability.
  • Renting Ferraris in Italy: road trip vs. track (58:36–59:43).
  • Smallest cars that fit golf clubs; unusual and heinous car-related stories.
  • Navigating used car auctions vs. traditional sales and maximizing return.
  • The evolving meaning of “replica” in collector car culture.
  • The economic reality behind BMW’s reluctance to build a modern supercar (82:32).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Public Restomod Perception:
  “If you told someone in the 90s that your Cobra was a replica, they were disappointed. Now, with high-end restomods costing more than originals, people are impressed instead.” – Matt (49:10)
• On Chinese Unibody Chassis:
  “The company makes all A86 parts just like Toyota did, pressing all the dies… but they’ve never assembled a full car from their own body. They should do it for QC!” – Zack (43:24)
• On Race Nerves:
  "The tiny dream I had of winning, which was totally imaginary anyway, is gone." – Zack (31:31)
• On Replica Quality:
  "Real and fake doesn’t mean bad or good—especially today.” – Matt (47:50)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Czinger 21C Track Impressions: 09:35–24:40
• Vespa Gear & Trip Prep: 27:01–30:44
• Cletus McFarland Crown Vic Race Prep: 30:44–36:18
• Larry Chen & Chinese Replica Unibodies: 41:05–50:25
• Replica/Restomod Philosophy: 47:50–50:25
• Listener Questions: 54:09–87:50
• BMW Supercar Commentary: 82:32–84:09
• Corvettes & Canyon Cars: 84:09–87:21

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Tone & Flow

The conversation is irreverent but deeply knowledgeable, alternating between technical talk, industry hot takes, comedic rants, and personal storytelling. The hosts invite listener participation throughout, giving thoughtful, practical advice and never shying away from poking fun at themselves or the industry.

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Conclusion

This episode offers a sprawling yet cohesive window into the current state and near future of enthusiast car culture, probing what authenticity means in an age of globalized manufacturing and rapid technological change. Matt and Zack balance skepticism and optimism on the topic of Chinese reproductions, thoroughly analyze the track-day supercar experience, and share genuine enthusiasm—and humility—about participating in grassroots American motorsport.

Fans of The Smoking Tire get both industry context and the hosts’ signature brand of car geek comedy.

Transcript

[A]

What up, everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Matt Farah here. And our show today is sponsored by off the Record. We love off the Record because they're looking out for me like they're looking out for you. If you get a ticket behind the wheel of your vehicle, could be a big ticket, could be a small ticket. Doesn't matter. You don't want to plead guilty to that ticket. You want to get in touch with off the [e-mail] TST off the record, we'll send a qualified attorney to represent for a very reasonable amount of money. And these guys have an unbelievably good track record. Off the Record will fight that ticket as far as they can to keep those points off your record, potentially saving you lots of money and insurance or potentially saving your employment situation. You don't want points on your record. It's bad scene. Okay, so go to offtherecord.com TST use that link for 10% off all services rendered from off the Record and tell them we sent you and then tell me how it went. I like when you guys send me emails that say they got dismissed. It's awesome. You get that text message. It's great when it shows up fully dismissed. Offtherecord.com TST. All right, folks, on this episode of the program, I talk about my experience driving the high downforce zinger 21C on track at Willow Springs. And then Zach and I realized the kind of competition that we are in for. We're actually going to be racing against a bunch of NASCAR drivers at the Cletus race in Connecticut. I bought some new gear for my Vespa and there's Chinese knockoffs of entire car unibodies. It's the smoking tire podcast. Let's go. Hi, everybody. Fucking happy. Well, you're not. It's gonna be after 4th of July weekend by the time most of y' alls hear this. Unless some of you are in the office right now, fully fucking checked out. Live streaming. Cause you're a patron. Cause you're a patriot. What's Patreon Patriot? What's a Patreon Patriot? You're a Patri.

[B]

Like you're paying money into the system. Aren't we all masks?

[A]

No, no, but like, I was trying to. I was trying to conflate the terms because they're similar. Cause they start with Patri Patriant. Yeah, I have to workshop that a little bit. Yeah, it's a little clunky. Zach is wearing his Monterey blazer that he Designed with the grotto.

[B]

Right?

[A]

We are. We're slanging blazers, folks. Zach's got the dope liner on his. I abstained from an aggressive liner on mine. I usually do, but Zach went for it. I'm really great.

[B]

Like, it was really fun picking it out, which, like, if you get a suit from them, you get to do this. And they have all the fabric books and the buttons and stuff, but I kind of forgot because of my brain, like, what we'd chosen.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

And then your material on your jacket is so soft because it's like a thicker winterish, you know, Col.

[A]

It's a wool.

[B]

It's a wool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then mine's like. And I got to pick the buttons, which have like, you know, blue thread in between and like the white accents.

[A]

Cause yours.

[B]

Linen.

[A]

It's linen. Let me feel it.

[B]

I don't think it's linen.

[A]

It's a linen blend. For sure it's a linen blend. It's a lighter, summery one, so it's awesome. The hood is removable and it looks great with or without the hood. And I realized, or we realized yesterday, that if you remove the hood, like, let's say you're in the car wearing your dope ass blazer with your lady.

[B]

Right.

[A]

The top is down and it's windy. You can undo the hood bit from the blazer, which I undid mine while wearing the blazer. Actually, you can do it. And then you take it off and give it. And then it's like a bonnet. Like, she could tie it for like her hair in a convertible. Totally like Felman Louise ish.

[B]

And also I was saying to you, like, every time Sarah and I come back from Santa Cruz, I drive and she's on the west facing window and just gets blasted by the sun. And it's usually at hour three that she like, makeshift something over her face to hide it from the sun. But no, just give her this thing.

[A]

Or she could get one of those big tanning mirrors to even out the other side. That's true. Like the late 60s where it's just.

[B]

Sarah looked through our photos, which, like, look really crispy because we used a good camera and like, you know, the background's nice. And she's like, oh, next time I'll bring a bounce for your guys face. And I was like, I mean, yes, but this is getting a little bit.

[A]

Yeah, Apple walked across the street. Apple can clean this up.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Yeah. We framed out like the back of the Clippers building. The photos looked all right.

[B]

Yeah, they did.

[A]

All Right. Cool.

[B]

They look nice.

[A]

Cool. So you shot me and I shot you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So could Sarah tell who was the better photographer?

[B]

I think they kind of look the same because we're both using auto.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not to be to your university.

[A]

It was literally the first time I'd ever used that camera. So if I had tried to do some kind of full manual thing, it would have been very diminishing returns.

[B]

I'd be way better at smiling on cue. Like, you've got. You do it in the thumbnails and stuff. You have it. I don't have it. So I was smoldering or I was like. And I asked her advice the night before. I was like, what should I do for these photos? And she thinks really hard, and she's just like, don't. Don't think that the thing you're doing is dumb. She's like, just do the thing. Because she knows how my brain works.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You feel uncomfortable and then you'll make fun of it and then you'll look stupid.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So I tried not to do that.

[A]

You have to put. You gotta push through the feeling stupid. That's really the hardest part of being on camera. Cause, like, when. I don't know, for me, you know, that's. That's like. You know why I enjoy working on top of a mountain with just you rather than man on the street. You know, Shit. Which is like my nightmare.

[B]

Mmm.

[A]

Speaking to.

[B]

Speaking in front. But you know, when you're on a trip, like a press trip, and if there's a journalist in the car with me, I don't want to do the in car with them in there. I can maybe if I've spent a day with them or I know them, but I still hate it. And if I don't know them, like, I'm leaving them on the side of the road and I might remember to pick them up.

[A]

There's three or four people outside of you that I would do in car with them sitting there. You know, there's not a lot. One of them is J.F. you know, in terms of other journalists, I think I had to do. The last time I actually had to do in car with someone in the car, I think was Kyle Kennard on the Spyder RS press launch in Germany.

[B]

Love him.

[A]

Love. And I love Kyle Kennard. And he fully gets it. And we are on the same vibe. And that was pretty mellow. He's on the list, but there's not a lot of people. Cause like, other. I'm trying to think if I had to do in car with Chris Harris sitting in the car.

[B]

Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

[A]

I wouldn't make it. He would be immediately out of frame, like, just making blowjob.

[B]

He would. He'd be trying to fuck you up, dude. When we were. I mean, this is 10 years ago, but when we did that episode in France, I'm up there on a podium at Le Mans. We're doing that Tour of Le Mans thing, and he's yelling into my radio that only I can hear my earpiece, Zach, don't say penis. While this French guy with a microphone for 10,000 people is asking me about our drive. Like, and he would do the same thing, one on one in the car.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You know, when you're done, he'd go. He would just be like, oh, that many words. But you said so little. Or whatever the. Whatever the fuck. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's. That's a hostile working environment.

[B]

It is the one. Funny. I had to do it in car with someone in the car, and I had just met them that morning, but they were so new to the industry that when I was done, they were like, you're really good at that. And the whole time I was like, this is dog shit. Yeah. And they're hearing it, and I'm stumbling and I'm resetting. And so if they're brand new, they might think you're doing better. But if it's one of our friends or someone who's established. Terrifying.

[A]

Yeah, there's a. There's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You don't want them giving you notes either. Hey, bunch of, you know, Jeff Clucker. I'll do In Car with Jeff Clucker being there.

[B]

He.

[A]

You know, he's good. But, like, who would. I. Yeah, Harris is the one. Is probably almost anyone British. I mean, you can. I don't want to be in the car with an Englishman, period. Doing in Car. Because, like, they just have better words than me.

[B]

Their educational system is truly. I'm not trying to, like, blah, blah, us. Like, I think that whole country's focus on English language writing and everything is amazing. I'm reading Richard Porter's book right now, and he talks about how him and Clarkson were nerds about words, and obviously it shows. But then reading the book, I'm like, yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, just the way it flows and the way he chooses different things and plays around. Oh, my God. Yeah.

[A]

Like, I'm pretty good with words. On with typing. I'm not good with words, you know, in real time, the way the English are.

[B]

Right. Yeah. It's perfect delivery. I'M pretty good with words. And for people who are listening, he tapped the thing. He can't think of the word. He's like typing. Oh yeah, you and me both do man.

[A]

But dude, let's see the Zinger video is up 21C high downforce on track. Here's how you could tell the downforce works. Guys gotta take a break from this show for fitbod Lovin fitbod why Variety Repetitive workouts are the fastest way to fall off your exercise game. Especially during the summer when you just wanna kick back. And I know it. I plateau and fall off when I just defaul to cardio every day. I need my trainer changing up those workouts constantly. That way I'm always doing new muscle groups. I'm always confusing my muscles. It's good to confuse your muscles, makes them strong. But fitbot is here to keep you locked in by making every season a new challenge. Taking that mental load away from planning the right exercises at the right intensity so you can stay focused on your gains. And it's much, much more affordable than an actual trainer at your house. I mean I, I have such poor motivation and I also have a lot of physical therapy needs, so I do spend a lot of time with my trainer. But using fitbod is as close as you can get to a real trainer. It's like having a trainer in your pocket. It customizes workouts based on your goals and that could be targeting specific muscle group, weight loss, recovery. The app can help you stay focused and get a better workout. The intensity goes up and up and up as you go. And with all of the videos, the 1,000 demonstration videos that show you how to do each workout, you know your form is going to be great, right? Over the last three years I've worked on my strength, my endurance and it's all gotten better. And this could be you too. With fitbod, right, it creates a personalized workout routine based on your goals, workouts that adapt to your growth so it remains challenging enough to push you to make progress. Fitbod tracks you your muscle recovery so you can avoid burnout and keep up that momentum. Fitbot is fine tuned by experienced certified personal trainers, so you've got best practices and exercise science built right in. And you can level up your workouts with those customized fitness plans that work for you with over a thousand demonstration videos. So this summer, push your progress and see what you're really capable of. Join Fitbod today. Get 25% off your subscription or try the app for free for seven Days at Fitbod me that's F I T B O D metire Fitbod metire. Here's how you could tell the downforce works. My words are not very good in this video. It's not my best driving and talking because this car is very fast, very scary. It makes, you know, Streets of Willow is. It's not a, quote, small track, but it's a lot of corners for it's like 2.2 miles and it's like 19 corners or something. So it's a lot of corners and not much in terms of straightaways. And it's very much sort of a club track. Right. So if you have a 400 horsepower, 500 horsepower car, you're having a really good time on that track. That's like. Right.

[B]

You'll feel like you're going fast and you can explore that engine in a couple of places. And there's also some spots where if you got on it too hard, you could have a fuck up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Whereas if you had 200 horsepower, probably not.

[A]

Right. So with 1250 horsepower, it is a different kind of situation. So it's just the straightaways become so short and it is still on a road tire. And so although you have the downforce for the higher speed stuff in a hairpin, you are limited by the limit of a sticky. But it's a street tire. Right. And so there's sort of a disconnect a little bit between the high speed limitations and the low speed limitations of the car. And so on a really big track, the difference between this and a regular car around these many hairpins is probably. Or around the many corners is probably bigger. Like at Spa or whatever, where the average lap speed is higher. Here it's just like. It's a little more point and shoot, but a lot of the ways you're pointing and shooting are quite short and they just disappear so quickly in this car.

[B]

It's crazy. It's 3,300 pounds of downforce. Yeah, something like that. That's.

[A]

It equals its own.

[B]

Sorry, high downforce version is £4,400.

[A]

It has its own weight, more than its own weight and downforce. So in theory, you could do the upside down thing, but like, it's very, very sticky and it's very, very fast. And also, this was like this car's first outing and it was. We shot this in. When did we shoot this before? Before the Indy 500?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You were in jury duty.

[B]

Oh, that's when. So it was June 7th or something like that.

[A]

Yeah. It was before the Indy 500. So this car has done a bunch of stuff, you know, with other people since I've driven it. But, you know, they were nice enough to bring it to the track, but they were like, you know, please don't fuck this thing up because it's got a bunch of dates, you know, after you, like nationwide press tour. Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The color of this thing is wild.

[B]

It doesn't show up that well on your Instagram. Just because this was shot at noon. But like in the beauty shots. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[A]

It's like this python green carbon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's lovely. And what's actually really funny is because it's the high downforce car, but it has the comfort seat. And if I was billionaire buying a zinger, I would get the comfort seat for sure. But as one might imagine, it's actually not enough seat for this for really track work. And so I found myself having to like brace on the car, like almost like I did in like a Mustang dark horse, which is pretty funny. Yeah.

[B]

To have this money and you're like putting your leg out.

[A]

Yeah. And like if I was driving it on the road, like, of course, the comfort seat as opposed to. I've never even seen it in person. But the carbon bucket, if you. They showed me a photo of it, maybe one. I'm sure it exists somewhere. I certainly wouldn't want to own this car with it. Maybe if they had like, you know what would be cool and I bet you they would do this. They're a small, agile company. I bet if you got one and you wanted to take it to a track day like this and they could send out a support team, which they obviously did for this car. There was a couple of guys and a support truck. If they could somehow quickly swap. Just swap out the seat. Because it is. It's a man. It's on a. It's a manual seat. Like it's on a slider. Like you could. You could probably just, you know, open enough.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It couldn't be that hard.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that would be a fun thing if they could hot swap the seat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For you.

[B]

For a track day, you definitely need.

[A]

Did you find a photo of it?

[B]

The seat? Yeah, I think so.

[A]

I mean, you know, picture a carbon bucket seat.

[B]

It's a lot like it's, you know, it's not too different from like the m carbon bucket seat. That's the back of it.

[A]

Yeah, I think it pretty much. It might like be the M seat back, but it doesn't have the cup and the balls, which makes it better.

[B]

So it comes around a lot farther, especially on the hips. Yeah, that would be helpful when you're going this fricking fast. I mean, the driving was fast and back to your point, like, hard to do in car when you need to focus that much or you might crash or die. Like, this is a lot to wrangle, right?

[A]

Like, driving and talking for me is not a hard thing to do. For a lot of other people, if they tried it, it would be very hard. Like, I'm not trying to brag, but it was never that hard for me in the beginning even. Like, I could kind of do it pretty well the whole time. But when the cars get really fast and more importantly, when it takes physical effort from your body to like, it's like talking while exercising or talking while lifting weights or whatever, it's actually hard. So that becomes tough.

[B]

It's like the traction circle, right? Like you can turn or brake, you know, depending on. Depending on how much you're braking means you can turn or, you know, more or less. But like, if the car is X fast and you have to brace your body, like your brain has a traction circle and it's totally 100 points and, you know, staying alive. Yeah, it's 100 points. Then you can't talk.

[A]

Like, for most people, if you were to, say, to deliver some kind of a monologue while driving, what percentage would the average person use for driving versus for talking versus what I use for driving. I can use way less for driving, especially if it's on familiar roads at home. I can like almost autopilot that and really focus on talking. Whereas most people would have to allocate a lot more towards driving. Practice. One can practice. So go watch the video. There's not a lot of new information there other than, you know, the thing that the Vmax car had, which is a little bit of instability at high speed and a little bit of instability when you quickly went from gas to brake. Obviously this is not an issue with this car.

[B]

It's fun. I mean, it's not a very long video, which is good. So if you have 10 minutes. But it's fun watching you literally yell. And not because you were doing a bit, it's just like flooring it and then just the emotion over.

[A]

It's just when you get past A. About 9,000 rpm in third gear in this car, your brain stops being able to think about anything else except corner, gas, brake, whatever. So it's a very, very crazy thing. I mean, there's in the land of the hypercar. Each has their own talent. I mean, this one is overwhelming from the sensory perspective. And also the fact, just like on the road, that you're sitting in the middle. It makes every corner of a racetrack look a little different than it would look in other cars because of how the A pillars are shaped. You have to move your head slightly differently to look through the same corner. And you've kind of got that extremely prototypey Formula one fighter plane kind of vibe that lends itself pretty well to being on the track. But you probably want to be on a bigger track, in which case you're going to be going very, very Juliet. Yeah, no, I would, I would. I think. I mean, God, to try this at Cota or the track where you drove Valhalla.

[B]

Like, that's the kind of place for this.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Navarra. That was a nice place. Like, they were just doing fucking. Of course Pund took it. Why would he not? The W1 McLaren was at Mugello, which is cool. Like, then they were doing 200 miles an hour on the front straight.

[B]

I saw Bossoms in car. When you're like, instructor with him. He's doing 186.

[A]

He had to do. They had to do in car. I think Harris had. Did in car with an instructor in the car.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I'm pretty sure I saw at least some. Yeah. Of his. Of his video. Maybe not his in car, but one. Certainly one of the clips on Instagram or something. He had. He had someone in the car with like a radio. Yeah, dude. I mean, there's sometimes, like, you're not above it, you know. Sometimes.

[B]

Yeah. And I don't think the person riding in the seat would be there if they could. If they could get out of it. They would. But, like.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah. Maybe it's something else.

[A]

Yeah, it's usually insurance or legal. It's something like that where the car is, you know, that expensive and that fast and, you know, you're at a place where, I mean, if someone is not Chris, you know, you have to make a blanket rule at a certain point. Like, I get it. Yeah.

[B]

That's crazy. Yeah.

[A]

Fucking 200 miles. 200 miles an hour in a car at a front straight, in a road car on the front straight of a racetrack is pretty.

[B]

That's really weird.

[A]

Do you know how long that straight is compared to, like, Cota? I think it's pretty long, but

[B]

0.7 miles, according to Google AI.

[A]

0.7 miles is the front straight.

[B]

709 is the long Straight, yellow.

[A]

What about the back straight at Circuit of the Americas?

[B]

0.62.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Miguel is even longer, so.

[A]

Yeah. All right, so but you'd still probably. I mean, look, I hit in the 750s. 175 at code on the back straight. Somebody in the ZR1 I thought was like 179 or 180. So like this is probably 185. I mean, which is humming.

[B]

Right? That's really, really fast. I remember it was two years ago now that road and track asked if I would go, I think take a 750s to do that, that Idaho straightaway. Basically. Like, will you go find out what the top speed is of this McLaren? And I didn't want to do it because I'd never driven that fast before. So I think pun did instead.

[A]

But he did. He had a really good time.

[B]

I bet he did. But that was like a two or three mile road and that car hit 211.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And this is 0.7.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They're hitting 2.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. Well, you, yeah, you need more, you know, to, to go to 11. You know, you're, you're covering ground very quickly, the difference.

[B]

But yeah, it's not. Each mile per hour over whatever takes a lot more effort. But still it's not a huge delta in miles per hour. And this is like.

[A]

Oh, and I'm not sure, I haven't been on Mugello, so I don't know what the corner is at the end of the front straight, but the corner at the end of the front straight of, at the end of the back straight of Cota is a, is a not even a 30 mile an hour corner. It's 110 or 120 degree or. Excuse me. It's more than a 90 degree left hand corner. That's like 30 miles an hour.

[B]

Actually. I think this might be faster, but it is also like a 190 degree corner.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Turn 15, big left. But I don't know what the speed is.

[A]

All right, well, either way, I mean, that's big breaking from that, from that speed. That's big breaking.

[B]

It's very cool.

[A]

So that's. I got it. McLaren. I understand. I didn't get to go to Mugello. I might not have even been able to.

[B]

But you were in toner.

[A]

It wasn't at the same time. It was a couple of weeks ago. No, but like I, whatever went up

[B]

at the same time.

[A]

The post went up at the same time. Yeah. No, but God damn. Would I like to have a go

[B]

in One of those, I think it'll happen.

[A]

Pun said it was awesome. Yeah, he said it was really good.

[B]

There's some crazy fucking cars out there right now.

[A]

Like this thing's rear wheel drive, I mean it's got the same, it's got like the power of the, of the zinger, but it's rear wheel drive. Like, oh boy.

[B]

But there's that, there's ZR1. There's all this stuff that's just like 1200 horsepower is the new 600 horsepower.

[A]

It's just crazy, isn't it? Let's talk about 28 horsepower. Guys taking one more break because our friends at Avants are back in the house. You guys love Avants. Actually, I got a few emails about this when they advertised with us last time. Avants is an organization that helps enthusiasts save money and enjoy their passion more right now. How do they do that? They get sweet discounts on stuff you would buy anyway. You get a bunch of events that Avants put on all over the country that you get exclusive access to and you get a nice quarterly print magazine, one that has featured me more than one time. I just got the new Avance. It's got the Carrera GT on the COVID It's quite sweet. The photography is excellent. So we've known Adam and Avance for a very long time. They're great people. We've been to their parties all over the west coast and get this. They're helping you save money on things you buy anyway. For instance, tires. Avant's members get 10% off at Discount Tire plus an additional additional 10% off when you buy Michelin and BFGoodrich. So if you spent 1500 bucks on a new set of Michelin Pilot Sports, you save $300 just by being an Avants member. Now it's only $99 a year to join and they send you a $70 gift card to Griot's Garage when you sign up. If you get a set of tires and you detail your car once, you've more than paid for itself if you do those things once in a year. And TST F better 10% off. Right. Go to avance.com TST and sign up today. Avance A V A N T S.com TST I mean for real, they send you this gift card, it's 99 bucks a year and you would save $300 on an average plus set of tires for your car. Could easily eclipse $1,500 if you've got a sports car. So this is like a no brainer. Avants.comtst we love them. Get there, get that discount. And thank you to Avance for thinking of us at the smoking tire for your advertising needs. Back to the show. Let's talk about 28 horsepower. I went to the motorcycle store because now the trip is real. Ali bought his Vespa and he and I are going to be riding the fun way to San Francisco on our Vespas. So I wanted my helmet, I realized was 3 years old. So I thought new helmet. Tried on the new version of the shoei I had, and it was very comfortable. But I was like, what else is out there? That's like this price range? And I actually ended up with an Arai, which is really, really comfy. And I got the finally comms. Finally have Bluetooth in the headset. I tested it. It works really good. It's nice.

[B]

I've heard it's amazing.

[A]

It's got some noise canceling. I haven't done the walkie talkie with Ali yet, but I tried making calls and playing music, and it's really, really nice and will be much better for my ears. For seven hours of riding a day,

[B]

Cory and Katie will ride two up on a bike and they can just chat with each other.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. It's like voice recognition, sort of open comms. And I got the one that has crash detection in it. And when you take it off, take your helmet off and put it down, it automatically shuts it off. After like, 30 seconds, it falls.

[B]

It's not like calls 911 for no.

[A]

But it also turns the power off so it doesn't actually drain the battery, which is pretty cool. And I got a pair of, like, riding jeans that are Kevlar and have, like, padding in them and stuff. I feel like that's probably a good idea for sure. New pair of gloves. I get a new pair of gloves every year. New pair. I do a new pair of summer gloves every year.

[B]

Do they wear out?

[A]

They wear out. I mean, I wear them a lot. I mean, they're not, like, unusable, but, like, the Velcro stops sticking so good and the stitching starts coming out a little bit. If you wear them a lot

[B]

and

[A]

they become the backup. And then last year's. So I always have two pairs. They're not that expensive. Winter gloves last much longer. You're not, like, sweating in them and whatever. And I'm also, like, when you're running errands around, you're, like, taking them on, putting them on and off, on and off, on and off.

[B]

A lot.

[A]

So, anyway, spent some money, but I feel pretty good about my new gear.

[B]

I mean, you spend it on safety gear.

[A]

That's very important. That's an okay thing to spend money on. But I have really gone a long way without having, like. I don't. I haven't been listening to music or anything for 15 years. So this is going to be like a new thing to have. Have music and phone calls and things in my helmet.

[B]

I mean, I bet there's times where it'd be really nice. Like, the right soundtrack, you know, with the right back road will be awesome. And then also the times where it's. You keep it quiet and you can just, like, let your brain rest for a little bit. Really nice.

[A]

Yeah. But it should be good. Should be good. I'm excited about my new gear. So this trip is gonna be fun.

[B]

Yeah, that's gonna be super cool.

[A]

Yeah. I rode to the motorcycle store on the Vespa, and I was getting stuff and I was like, oh, yeah. You know, I'm riding to San Francisco with my friend, and they, like, look outside and they're like, on that. And I was like, yeah. They're like, for real? I was like, yeah, dude. And then they're asking me about it, and they're like, actually, that seems really fun. Yeah, it seems like a pretty Good deal.

[B]

The 900 for that. Yeah.

[A]

No, you do not. So that's a good time. Yeah. Did we talk about the. Did they post the final lineup for the Cletus race? I got a text with an image on it that has the lineup for it. So if you don't know, Zach and I are doing a Cletus McFarlane Crown Vic race at Stafford Motor Speedway in Connecticut. Friday, July 17th. Anyone who's in the area, you could drive there from New York. You can drive there from Boston. You could drive there from North Jersey or Connecticut. It's the New England 900.

[B]

Let me tell you how much I dislike this news story. I mean, it's exciting. And also

[A]

the headline is possible.

[B]

Tiny dream I had of winning, which was totally imaginary anyway, is gone.

[A]

Zach and I are in the happy to be there category. The headline is every NASCAR driver entered in Cletus McFarlane. How long before this just becomes NASCAR? This is the Liv Golf of NASCAR.

[B]

You know how two is a couple?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How many do you need for there to be every used in a sense. Is there more than four?

[A]

We haven't scrolled down yet. Maybe it's only one.

[B]

No, it would say the one. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[A]

How many are there? Oh, wait, hang on. Notable NASCAR regulars like Ryan Preece, Bobby Dale Earnhardt. Is that Dale Earnhardt Jr. S son?

[B]

Probably. I'll Google.

[A]

It's gotta be.

[B]

Oh, Richard Childress himself.

[A]

Richard Childress himself. That's so funny. Yo, we could take out Ritter. Oh, wait, hang on a minute. Noting that Ty and Austin Dillon were also expected to join.

[B]

And. And noting that Ryan Priest, quote, ruled the roost at Stafford. So apparently he's raced it a lot and he's good at it. We've never seen it before. Wow.

[A]

All right, so. Yeah, we're not. Yeah, we're definitely not.

[B]

He's gonna be so fun.

[A]

That's gonna be crazy to watch from the back of the field if I

[B]

just don't get lapped. That's. That's the goal. Now. I've driven an oval once.

[A]

How, like, how long do you think this race is? 900 is.

[B]

I think it's 200 laps.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm pretty sure.

[A]

All right, so you think the 900 just a made up number then?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

Okay, cool. I was trying to figure out.

[B]

Someone told me that online and so that's where that.

[A]

It's 200 laps.

[B]

Yeah. But I'm looking at the Stafford thing and it just says the time.

[A]

I think the dude said it. The race starts at 7:30 and it probably ends around 9:30. So it's gonna be.

[B]

Yeah, it's like it's gonna be 900 laps for that amount of time.

[A]

No, no, I don't. But I just didn't know like, what it meant. I'm fucking stoked.

[B]

It's gonna be so cool.

[A]

I mean, we're gonna get.

[B]

Dude Crown Vic with Nikes.

[A]

We're gonna get hosed by a bunch of NASCAR drivers, but we're gonna get, quote, moved.

[B]

I mean, I know I've said it before, but you know, that's. That's the term that these guys use is I didn't hit them, I moved them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So how much movement is allowed before it turns into hitting? That's. That's what I don't know. I truly don't know. You know, if someone moves me, am I gonna want to move them back? And then am I gonna do too much? And they're.

[A]

There's gonna be a retaliation. There's gonna be a right, you know,

[B]

then it's blue on blue.

[A]

Right. Take your helmet off.

[B]

I'm not fighting anybody.

[A]

I mean, you don't know what they did to you yet.

[B]

That's true. That's also true in my current condition. I'm not fighting anybody. I got one swing. Oh, dude, now that would be so dumb. Getting a fist fight at a, you know, Cletus.

[A]

At a Cletus race. It be crazy.

[B]

They'd have to hit me intentionally when my car is stationary, like, hard. I don't know.

[A]

So I wonder if they're making a dent in the supply of available Crown Vicks.

[B]

I think that's like.

[A]

I know there's a lot of them, but they're buying them like 50 at a clip.

[B]

I think that's like water in the ocean. I think there's a lot. You know, I'll look up production numbers.

[A]

You don't. Yeah, it's all right. There's. I'm sure there are a lot, but like, you are buying, buying, buying and effectively totaling, you know, 50 at a clip.

[B]

Ford apparently made about one and a half million. Oh, wait, and then they made. If you add. Oh, earlier ones, we're not gonna include those. So this just 92 to 2011, they made one and a half million.

[A]

All right. Take a lot of races.

[B]

Yeah, 20 per race. There's plenty of them. We haven't seen people in the comments yet going, they're taking all the good ones.

[A]

You know, they're probably not taking the good ones. They're probably taking the bad ones, which is okay. But I am fucking so stoked for this race.

[B]

Rad. Yeah, Nitrous. I've never hit nitrous before.

[A]

Oh, yeah, but you have. You have only one bottle, right?

[B]

Right. Yeah. So you gotta figure it out.

[A]

Too soon Junior. Don't be. You don't be the too soon Junior.

[B]

I think. Isn't that what Kurt told us? That Kurt Bush at 1010 Invitational. He was like, his advice was, don't use your nitrous too early. Yeah, okay. But I just have to remember to use it at some point.

[A]

Don't forget your nitrous. That's a good tape note to have on the steering wheel.

[B]

We get to decorate our cars.

[A]

I know you know what I'm doing. I'm bringing my four and six year old nephews to the race and I told them they get to paint my car.

[B]

Great. Spray paint.

[A]

I get to both outsource this task to children and bring joy to two children.

[B]

But you, Mr. Nike, right? Have them build you an iPhone while you're at it. That's a great idea.

[A]

They love it. They love doing little tasks over.

[B]

You know, they're gonna. They will enjoy painting when I was 10 years old, like at a relative's building. And it was the most fun.

[A]

Yeah, it's gonna be great. We just have to make sure to tape off the windows so they don't paint the windows on accident. I'm sure they can figure that out. They're not.

[B]

Do the car still have windows?

[A]

Oh, that's a good point.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

They might have windshields.

[B]

Yeah, I think. I hope they have windshields.

[A]

I hope they have windshields. They might. They may not have other windows. Yeah, speaking of which, I forgot to order that buffeting thing. Uh. Oh, that wasn't a great sound.

[B]

Everything's breaking today. You broke your coffee grinder. Well, you didn't break. It broke.

[A]

That's not great. I don't actually want to open that. That might create a big mess.

[B]

Yeah, do that over the sink. Later over the spilliflage. No. What was it called? Stainaflage.

[A]

Stain. A flash.

[B]

Oh, they sent me a photo.

[A]

Did they really?

[B]

Yeah, you wanna see it?

[A]

Does it. Are they accurately describing it?

[B]

It actually looks way nicer than they described it.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. When I went home and I pulled out that shirt that I have to maybe wear to dinner, that was the color of the stained oil shirt.

[B]

For people listening. Go, go listen to the show with David, Tracy and Griffin. They're talking about their new shirt stain, the flage. But look at this.

[A]

That's really funny. Okay, so. Okay, so I mean, movie theater carpeting, which is how Tracy described it, is accurate.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it also. Let's say it's accurate, but it's not precise.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Right. Because there are many ways to look at a movie theater carpet. This. Okay, this has sort of a. It's got a layering of patterns. So it's a blackish base shirt that has a sort of like spaghetti like pattern on it.

[B]

Almost like a very swirly signature.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's repeating.

[A]

Yes. And then layered on top of that is a subtle checkered flag pattern that, you know, collectively creates a camouflage esque look, but with varying shades of like colors that you'd find on the floor of a garage. Like a really dirty garage. Wait, so, Zach, if I hold this to your camera, can you film that and get it? Am I breaking the. Am I supposed to show this?

[B]

I don't know. Let's see. On their merch store.

[A]

Couldn't hurt.

[B]

Couldn't hurt. Couldn't hurt. I'm sure, you know, so it actually won't be mad about us increasing their sales.

[A]

Yeah, right. Am I holding in the right place?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Okay, so I think we've described it sort of well there it's dark colors and swirlies and a checkered flag. Ish pattern.

[B]

If you told me that this was Rob Dyrdek's new whatever line, I'd go, okay, yeah, it could be his signature. Repeating, repeating. There's a lot of stuff that has that kind of. So it looks cooler than I expected.

[A]

The badge is decent too.

[B]

Do you see?

[A]

Did you zoom in on the badge? No. Seriously, the badge looks like it is some industrial, like, hypey fashion. Ish brand. You know, fashion adjacent brand kind of. Right.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, a little bit. I also think it looks. The tag looks like it would come on something from 3M.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Which is also what you want.

[A]

3M and affliction.

[B]

3M stain of. Yeah, 3M stain of flash.

[A]

But I thought, those guys are fucking hilarious.

[B]

They're so fun. Dude, he's crazy great. Like, what an endeavor. And we always see him after the success. Like last time he was on, he was after he'd fixed that car in the woods for three weeks and, like, got bit by bugs and stuff. And, you know, it's second tier fun. It's fun once you've done it.

[A]

That's my wife's family motto. Fun is best when it's over.

[B]

Some fun. Sure. Hiking fun.

[A]

I know. It's their motto, right?

[B]

Yeah. I'm disagreeing with you.

[A]

I have a lot of fun while I'm having fun, usually. But I think the implication is the overcoming of the challenge is reviewed later as something that was fun. Of course, once you didn't die.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Yeah. Or kill each other, as it is with Hannah's funny.

[B]

I was gonna say, maybe that's why it's all second tier fun for them, because they're happy it's over and then they can talk about it.

[A]

Oh, all right. Let's go to the people there. We have. We had a lot of.

[B]

You want to talk about this stuff?

[A]

Oh, or what is this?

[B]

Well, this is. You want to talk about this video or save that? This is a Larry Chen's thing. Oh, I texted you about it last night.

[A]

Oh, you know what? I was at dinner and he had had mucho red wine. Okay, Sorry. We can save it or you can just tell me about it.

[B]

So if people have a lot of people watch this video, but Larry Chen went to a company called Jungchen in China, and the big story with them is that they are making unibody chassis of classic cool cars that we all love, like the A86.240SX Land Cruiser.

[A]

Are they making monsters?

[B]

This is wild.

[A]

Is this. Who's making. Is this where Revology is getting bodies from?

[B]

Not to my knowledge.

[A]

I think they're making their own bodies.

[B]

I'm pretty sure based on their videos. Revology makes them in Florida. Yeah, they. But this is kind of a similar. I mean, yeah, like Revology, go. Revology took the classic Mustang and went, all right, how's it made? Let's make it look exactly the same, construct it a little better. But that's all they're going to make. So what this company does, this company's full time job essentially is making car parts for companies. Like this is a massive fucking 4

[A]

real factory with it's an OE supplier.

[B]

OE supplier. So what they decided to do is make the dies for all the A86 parts. And like they press it all the same way Nissan used to or Toyota used to and then they weld it together.

[A]

So these are new old stock unibodys or not new old stock, just new unibodies. But are they better? Like a Revology's unibody is better than you would have gotten from Ford, which is. It's just. That's a choice. Right?

[B]

So I would say yes and no. So in the video like they show that they galvanize the steel, for example, of the 86. They didn't do that back in the day, so these are less likely to rust. But one of the early ones was purchased or partnered with big time for SEMA. And so big time was going to build an AE86 and they said a bunch of OEM parts wouldn't fit on it. Right. So the tolerances were wrong. So you know, Larry, like, Larry does a great job of exploring how this whole process works. I mean the way that a die is made is really cool. I didn't even know. And the way they press it and all that shit. But he didn't address that QC problem. Like what was interesting is he said that they've never, this company has never taken one of their chassis and then assembled a full car from it. Which I'm like, I mean one they should for promotional material, but two for qc. Now maybe they just. They measure with lasers and stuff. But also you should do it with qc.

[A]

Build one if you have a ginormous factory higher six fucking guys to finish one of these as a car and tell you if it's possible.

[B]

Right? And maybe they have since then because they've done. They've built like 600 Bronco bodies like the classic Bronco. And some of those are now built and going for sale for lots of money. So in many ways they are probably better than the originals. But fitment. I guess I didn't get enough information from the video to know if that's true or not. Yeah, it's. Dude. As an endeavor though, it's kind of brilliant. And also I'm wondering when lawyers show up from OEMs, because this isn't.

[A]

Oh, they're not doing this with permission.

[B]

I don't know. It wasn't covered, but they said they're gonna build a Porsche 964 body. If anyone's litigious when it comes to the recreation of things, it's Porsche. And I feel like that'll be the canary in the coal mine for sure. Cause I don't. I don't know if they have permission from Nissan, Toyota or whatever.

[A]

Yeah, well, I guess the first question is, how much of a car or a part do you have to build to get permission? You know what I mean? I don't know the rules of. Do I need permission from Toyota to build a exhaust that fits a GR Corolla? Like, probably not.

[B]

I don't think you do.

[A]

So do I need permission from Toyota to build a door that fits a Toyota?

[B]

Great question.

[A]

Probably not. Do I need. You know what I mean? Like, how much of a Toyota can I build before I need permission from Toyota?

[B]

Totally. And I might have no idea how those laws work. That's a really great point because they do make parts that supply body shops. If your door gets dinged, like you're not. Maybe you don't get it from Toyota. You get it from one of these places and it fits great. So they just like, hey, can we do all the parts and then sell the thing? And another philosophical question that it brings up is if you buy an 86 from them, is it a Toyota A86 or is it a, you know, Junchen 86?

[A]

You probably have to do what you would do with a fucking muscle car or whatever. You find a donor car and you get. Transfer the VIN onto this new unibody.

[B]

Do you.

[A]

There's a legal process for that, by the way.

[B]

Sure. Oh, I'm just. But I just mean, like, philosophically, do you see that as an 86 or do you see it as a replica? Right. It's something we've talked about. Like, as the quality of a car construction goes up, we talk about with Revology, like, now it's made the same way the cars used to be made. Effectively stamped, pressed, welded.

[A]

Yeah. Like, at what point does a replacement part. I mean, there's McLaren F1s that have had replacement carbon tubs. There's replacement frames of cars.

[B]

It becomes McLaren tubs made by McLaren.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. There's not an aftermarket.

[B]

And I don't have an answer. I just think it's fascinating. There's a couple of things. Like. Like, can you register them? That takes. That's challenging. Depending on your state. And then, like, what will they be seen as? Yeah, look at this Chandlinger. You know, Chandlinger. A Chandlinger. It's just a typo. They got it right over here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I. I think this is great for, like, track builds. I mean, because some of these are racing. Yeah. So expensive. And if you want to build an 86 to drift or track drive, and you have to go buy a $30,000 or whatever enthusiast taxed one now, just get these bodies, like, 15 grand.

[A]

Yeah. And it doesn't come with a whole bunch of things that you'd probably throw away. Building a race car if you bought a good one. Right. You don't need to gut it. Right. You can just add what you need instead of having to take out until it gets there. So it's interesting. I think it's not a real 86. I don't think it is. But, you know, I also. I don't think even the other end, the Bora Motor Works or the Ravology or the. You know, I don't think those are real, but that doesn't necessarily take away from their quality. It's just. Yeah. Real and fake doesn't necessarily mean bad and good.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Especially today.

[B]

Yeah. Especially with old cars. Old cars, the quote, real ones sometimes drive poorly.

[A]

Yeah. Like an icon. FJ is, like, really not a Toyota anymore. It's, like, for all intents and purposes, like, not real.

[B]

Very true.

[A]

But, like, it's so vastly better than the original product that, to me, it's a desirability of 100 to 0 in terms of which one I'd actually have to drive. Like, I don't give a shit if

[B]

it's real or not. And I bet if you own an icon, if people say, oh, oh, is that, you know, nice Land Cruiser? You're probably like, yeah, it's an icon. You want to put that name in the sense. Because it's so respected now.

[A]

That was literally in my Road and Track column this past month, that the perception of replica has now switched where, like, if you've got a revol When I would drive around back in the day in our replica Cobra, when people would learn it wasn't real, they'd be disappointed. Like they just were. And maybe like that. I mean, that disappointment maybe matters to people, maybe it doesn't matter to people. Like, who gives a shit? But, like, enough times it affected me. And I was like, okay, I don't think I want any more replica cars driving the Revology Mustangs around. And you tell them what they are and that there's actually. People are like, wait, what? And they're actually more impressed now.

[B]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[A]

Maybe because it doesn't seem like you're. And also, it's more expensive than the thing it's copying. So that's the. You know, a Cobra was like. Even a nice COBRA was like 10%, 15% of the value of a real Cobra. Now this is 100 to 200% of the value of the thing. It's impersonating Singer Turbo, you know, so how interesting of a state of affairs we've found ourselves in there. So that was what my column. Go read it on Road and Track. But it's. Yeah. People react differently when you tell them it's fake. But not just differently, the opposite.

[B]

If it's from a brand they know or respect, or if you explain it to them, then yes.

[A]

Or if you show it to them and they can see the. You do the door slam and they go, oh, yeah, you know, that's a good point. Yeah. Really weird, right?

[B]

Yeah. So maybe if you build a better 86 using one of these bodies, especially if you become a company that's respected for that, then people go, oh, it's not just like a modified one. Yeah, it's from, you know, Thaddeus's 86 imports or whatever the fuck.

[A]

Pretty weird. Don't say his name three times or Thaddeus will call you.

[B]

An idea.

[A]

He'll call us tomorrow and be like, I'm buying unibody.

[B]

I mentioned it for him specifically.

[A]

He is the Kramer of our friend group.

[B]

He's doing some. His new business is doing some stuff this weekend, I think, or next week. So he's.

[A]

Yo, if you're in LA and you need that dry ice, dry ice cleaning on your shit, not just cars, food trucks, kitchens, industrial equipment, car parts, you

[B]

know, how do you use that stuff, David Tracy with those diffs, for sure.

[A]

Whoa. And it's dry cleaning. What if you dry ice blast? What if you dry ice blast his shirt?

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Would it survive?

[B]

And would it just. Yeah. Would all the oil fall out of that if it made that shirt white again? Could you from Redline Oil sand, make

[A]

David Tracy's shirt white again?

[B]

This is good content. I'm gonna text Hardigree when we're done. For real? For real.

[A]

Yeah. Once he gets a couple. A couple under his belt, he's gonna do the countach. That'll be some. That'll be some contento. So Donnie, when the countach was at Donnie's, was. And I can't say his name three times either. The bots will show up. But he was, like, offended at the idea of dry ice blasting.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Because the idea that he would not clean it good enough was, like, insulting. And I had to bring someone else in to clean the underside of the car, which, like. All right, that's what I said. I was like, fine, you want to fucking clean the car, you clean the car. I was like, I don't give a shit. I don't pay somebody else. Right.

[B]

I mean, if he's obsessed enough to sit there and scrub the underside of

[A]

a car, well, yeah, whatever.

[B]

But the dry ice is quicker for getting oily gunk off.

[A]

Yeah. And I don't know how much oily gunk there is. I mean, the entire engine is completely now spotless, but there's not much left in there that's gonna. But like, hey, fucking while you're in there. Why not?

[B]

The underside of my car is. Is full of power steering gunk. Actually, I wiped out the whole tray. Went through a lot of paper towels. Really? Yeah.

[A]

Okay, maybe let's do.

[B]

Well, he's gonna do both. Dad's gonna do mine.

[A]

If this goes well, I'm going to put an outdoor lift at the Gardena store so he can just do it because it's so messy. Can't do it inside.

[B]

No. Yeah, definitely not.

[A]

But I can't wait to see how much actual dry ice it takes to do a car. It was hundreds of pounds of dry ice. It's a lot.

[B]

I forget what number he said, but it's a lot.

[A]

Yeah, but. And also, I want to do a little blast in myself, see what's what. Seems fun for five minutes.

[B]

Yeah. You know, just like driving the backhoe.

[A]

As long as you got something to wreck.

[B]

Dude. Pressure washing. I mean, we've all done it like, it is cathartic. It is. You just watch the. You're watching progress happen.

[A]

Have you. Have you tried the floor Zamboni South Bay store. That's pretty fun, too. That's a good. I think it's A good fucking vibe.

[B]

Can you over polish the floor where it becomes slippery?

[A]

No, it's not a polisher. It's a Zamboni that washes the floor, but it doesn't polish. Yeah, no, we don't. Yeah, that would be a lot. Although that does seem nice. Just. It's probably a decent core exercise too.

[B]

It is. It's like twisting with an effort.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Let's go to the people. They have more to say than we do at this point. Obviously. We're talking about fucking floor buffers. It's patreon.com the Smokingtirepodcast is where you play along. It's where you get extra show. It's where you get the show early. It's where you get the show live. It's where you get the show without ads. It's where you get access to exclusive collaborations. And. Oh, I have another one in the works. Those.

[B]

Those.

[A]

The thing I showed you yesterday is Made in la. Did I show you those?

[B]

No.

[A]

All right, I'll tell you about it. I don't want to. I don't want to oversell it, but it goes along with our. The whole thing. We're doing. We're working our way around the male body with the collabs that we're doing.

[B]

Oh, you told me about it. You haven't showed me.

[A]

Yes, no, we have this. It's actually better than previously expected. Previously thought so we're gonna do something else with another company. It's gonna be really fucking cool. It's gonna take a little while to do it though, but it's gonna be awesome. So those people full self driving to the scene of the accident. Did you see the guy was charged with manslaughter? Speaking of that, the guy who crashed into the house in Texas.

[B]

Really?

[A]

And the Tesla guy tweeted that the throttle's at 100%. That guy was charged with manslaughter.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait. The guy driving the car or the guy that tweeted?

[A]

No, no, no, not the guy who tweeted.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The guy driving the car who crashed into the house and killed the woman was charged with manslaughter.

[B]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[A]

Tesla's statement, which may be subject to actual discovery now, because it's almost certainly the guy's defense is gonna be that the car did it.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Right, yeah. So this could very interesting. I mean, it's absolutely possible and in fact very likely that he was very over reliant on autopilot in general and came into a situation where he didn't See a stop sign or a turn and panicked and pressed the wrong pedal and there you go. And he will almost certainly try to blame Tesla in a variety of different ways, and we'll see if any of them actually hold up in court. Whereas Tesla obviously will do everything they can to make sure that this guy

[B]

is blamed for this crash, it will be interesting. It could be a very simple case in one way or the other.

[A]

Well, I mean, look, the legalese says the driver's always responsible, but if this guy can convince a jury that in fact the Tesla does bear some responsibility, I mean, he has to convince people, you know, and people can be swayed.

[B]

True. But all Tesla would have to do is have data that they can prove is legitimate, and then the defense will be like, well, how do we verify this?

[A]

Well, but if they make an argument to a jury and say their misleading marketing led my client to over rely on the product and had degraded his skills and he was not, you know, he thought the car was gonna handle this situation. And you could potentially convince a jury of that.

[B]

They could. And then, yeah, it'll be interesting.

[A]

Doubt they will, but, you know, well,

[B]

if Tesla can do the thing that, you know, some of the Toyotas did, where they're like, look, this is the point based on the data where the guy hit the full gas, thought he was hitting the brake. I mean, you know, tragic, obviously, but that's that. And if they can show that and prove that this is attached to his car, because this is the vin and dah, dah, dah, dah, and then, you know, Drew will go, oh, okay, yeah, probably.

[A]

But they might be able to make a convincing enough argument. I mean, because it's Tesla, they may get a real hotshot fucking lawyer attached to this guy, you know, a defense lawyer that really wants to go after Tesla.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And sees this as a way in and will represent this person for free. Whereas they may not be able to afford that type of lawyer otherwise.

[B]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[A]

Johnny Cochran type, if you will.

[B]

They can go for damages. Yeah, yeah, get filled.

[A]

We can get Phil in here to analyze the case. Anyway, that all that from the guy's fucking username name going to Northern Italy next year for roughly the same amount of money. You can rent a modern Ferrari for six to eight laps at Monza or rent one for a day to drive through the countryside. Pros and cons of each option leaning towards the track. Six to eight laps in Monza. Monza is a pretty big track, so actually. And assuming those are laps, like where you can really run the car like you're going to get up to a big speed and that's an experience. You know, that's a 30 minute, 20 to 30 minute hot run. If it's modern, assuming it's a modern Ferrari that you really want to be on the track. Just because a car is a Ferrari doesn't necessarily mean. And also, depending on the level of freedom they give you, I doubt they're going to let you drift the car. But is it instructors that are going to encourage you to have a good time and really get the car going? Maybe not. I don't know.

[B]

That is a. That is a tough choice because I've done. I've never driven at Monza, but I have driven Ferraris on track in Italy and I've also driven them around Italy. What I will say is when you drive a Ferrari around Italy, the citizens go apeshit. They love it. I had people like asked. I had a young dude asked to sit in my car to take a picture. People smile like they're very proud of the brand.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you also, like, there's something magical about driving that car through that countryside. And there's also places you can go kind of quick and the roads are great and there's roads that are not so great. So fuck, man, you can't go wrong either way.

[A]

There's not a lot of places in Italy to really. In the countryside to really go fast enough to use a Ferrari.

[B]

No, you need Autostrada.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because the roads, the back roads are really tight.

[A]

They're tight, they're windy. The tarmac isn't always perfect. I mean, a quality hatchback on the back roads is going to be really as much fun as a Ferrari. That's very true in terms of like dynamics. Right. But the vibe. I would probably just do the track, to be honest with you. I'd probably just do the track if.

[B]

Yeah, you'll get if. What you love about Ferrari cars is like the speed and the allure of performance. You'll get to feel that on the track. That's true.

[A]

Tapping Z's nuts. Smallest car that you know that will fit a set of golf clubs in the trunk. Smallest car, I think, I think an Aston Vantage will fit a set of golf clubs. If you take the woods out, no drivers. Yeah, I think an AMG GT will. Well, look, a 1991 Acura NSX will absolutely fit golf clubs in the trunk. My Ferrari 328 would fit Golf clubs in the trunk. My Countach will fit golf clubs in the trunk. As a matter of fact.

[B]

Fact.

[A]

Like, no, it will not. That's not true.

[B]

I bet the Scion. What's the vertical Scion? The xb.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It'll fit in that trunk at an upright angle.

[A]

Oh, easily.

[B]

I bet those are shorter and smaller than the sports cars.

[A]

Maybe. That's funny. I hadn't thought of an xb. I mean, there's probably like. Like the Chevy Chevette, like some little shitty economy car from the early 80s that'll fit a set of golf clubs

[B]

in the trunk, but I don't think that's.

[A]

I know, don't. This is spirit of the question. You know Corvettes. That's a staple of Corvettes. Front and mid engine Corvettes. McLaren GT. The McLaren GT. Like, when they has that. That trunk over the engine, that will fit a surfboard or a small set of skis or a snowboard. Yeah. Or golf clubs. Yeah. That's what I asked Laura at McLaren. I was like, yo, let me get those new McLaren golf clubs. Have you seen those? I was like, loan me the McLaren GT with the set of McLaren golf clubs so I can go play a little fucking golf ski with these things. See what they're about. They're probably so expensive.

[B]

Oh, we talked about these. Yeah.

[A]

The McLaren irons.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I want to borrow. She said she would look into it. I don't. I. She. She didn't get back to me. I'm sure she had more important things to do with the W1 launch. Dre from Houston says, what's the most hein. Thing you've done with a car? For example, I've jumped a car unintentionally. Okay. Heinous.

[B]

I would define heinous.

[A]

Heinous. I mean, there was the time I ran over that child and didn't tell anybody until today. Does that count?

[B]

But that was Baby Hitler junior. So you saved the world.

[A]

Heinous. I mean, I've, like, fucked up rental cars and gotten away with it before. When I was younger. I mean, when I was, like, in my 20s, like, oh, you stood on one. We danced on the roof of the Grand Marquis. We actually also jumped that car over train tracks, like, intentionally. We did, like, a fucking Duke's Hazard jump at that motherfucker.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was serious. That might have been actually the worst. That's the highest I've ever jumped any car, I think. Wow. Yeah.

[B]

I blew the head gasket on my dad's scout off roading it. And I didn't realize how severe that is in terms of damage at the Time now I recognize that was a big problem.

[A]

Oh, I. I got the Mercury Villager, the Nautica Villager when I was a. Well, it was before, I guess this was one of the first times I ever drove on a vaca. I talk about like selling weed and shit in college all the time. But I don't really talk about the fact that I was actually sober in high school.

[B]

School.

[A]

Like I really didn't enjoy drinking because I loved driving so much. And I just like, I just knew them things didn't go together and I didn't smoke weed until I. Until I went to college. I did when I was like 12 for like two months and then not again until I was. Until college. So I didn't. Wait, where's I go with that? Oh shit. How did we get there? Oh, heinous things we've done with the car. So my parents were very comfortable with me driving places, including like on overnight trips in high school, which other people's parents maybe weren't. But me being like sober, they were like pretty much fine with it. And so I took the van, the Mercury Villager to Nantucket, drove it and then got on the ferry and I fucking got it stranded. I beached it in the sand and drove it in the sand and had to get towed out. It was fucking pretty shameful.

[B]

Yeah, I mean they're shameful, I guess. Yeah, that's hateful.

[A]

When we went down to South Carolina, when my parents first got bought the house down there or the property before we even had a house when I was 16 or 17, me and Larry Casilla went down there with my parents. But they let us get kind of our own rental car like they rented it.

[B]

But it was.

[A]

And there was maybe a quarter of the houses on the island that are there now and not even there was fewer roads that are paved. And we had this Ford Taurus, big frog eyed Ford Taurus. We stage rallied the fuck out of this thing. There was mud all we took it like mud bogging. Like diving through these mud pits, like sending it sideways on these dirt. Just terror all night. Everyone was asleep, never got caught nothing. But the next morning the car's in the driveway and it's just every caked in mud. Like our truck at King of the Hammers.

[B]

It was like mad.

[A]

My parents were like. When we went to bed, the car did not look like that.

[B]

They mad?

[A]

Yeah, really bad.

[B]

I had sex on part of your Focus rs. That was kind of heinous.

[A]

Which part?

[B]

The door was open and we used the door get out of here. But I would not. I refused to have sex in the car.

[A]

Thanks.

[B]

Cause that's exactly.

[A]

It was a lease.

[B]

Yeah, but still, it's your car.

[A]

That's grimy. Thanks for telling me now.

[B]

I've saved this for years. I mean, when did you have that car? That was 12 years ago.

[A]

Yeah, it was a 17, I think, or 2016. So. Yeah, 10 years ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Nice, nice. Put that on the Carfax.

[B]

Flood damage.

[A]

Oh, gross. Incorporeal spirit of Bob Barker. Okay, wait, wait, wait.

[B]

What? Oh, that's a comment.

[A]

Okay, sorry. That was a. Sorry, delay of game there. SOB 93 arrow press launch. Are you garbage? If you have a Starlight headliner in a nod. Rolls Royce vehicle.

[B]

I think Sarah. Sarah got an Uber recently that had it. And I said, do you know that was a $12,000 option when that came out? When Rolls Royce, like invented it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And now it's just. Just a thing you can get. Yeah.

[A]

Can you? Can you?

[B]

But it's probably LEDs costs. Yeah, sure. I bet it's not fiber optic in all the cars now.

[A]

You think it's just a panel they just put up there?

[B]

If I had to guess, because LEDs are cheap and easy now.

[A]

What is it? Afterlight? Starlight Aftermarket.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's see. Starlight had. Fck. Light bars is the name of this website, by the way. Fck.

[B]

First one at the top. I mean, this looks okay.

[A]

Starlight headliner kit. Shooting Star headliner starts at $400. No, that's what this says. Oh. But it's. It says from 400 to 1900.

[B]

Let's see.

[A]

Let's see what the difference is.

[B]

How many stars do you want?

[A]

I want all the stars. Give me 3,000 stars.

[B]

3,000 stars and you can get the Venom headrest.

[A]

Oh, boy. Wait, so how does it. Can we. How does it install? Like, what's the 12 volt power supply? Twinkle features recommend. Doesn't say nothing about. I mean, it's pretty. If you had an Uber black, this would get you five stars.

[B]

These look much brighter than the Rolls Royce ones. I think the LEDs can only be so small. I'm sure that's what they are, but that's pretty funny. I say go for it. I don't think you're garbage.

[A]

The Spectre now has it in the doors too.

[B]

Too. Whoa.

[A]

Yeah. It's ceiling and doors. It's very fucking driving. The Specter with the windows down on a warm night at night and playing music loud is fucking epic. Really, really great. Kyle. 951, if you wanted to start your own line of Porsche builds similar to the famous reimaginers, would you still start with an air cooled 911? Or if you could build the most perfect tailored Porsche, would it not be air cooled?

[B]

I have. I've only driven like three air cooled cars. I think so. I do enjoy the engine, but I haven't yet discovered what's better about it than a really good water cooled engine. So I would probably just go with the water cooled engine because you can make more power for less money. You don't need this like crazy Roth Spring $400,000 shit to make 400 horsepower. And especially if it's like an NA GT3 engine. Feels and sounds almost exactly the same to me. So I'd probably go water cooled.

[A]

Yeah, I would probably use a water cooled engine as well. I'm not that committed to air cooled engines. I think they're cool. But if you were talking about the ultimate experience, I think I would not use an air cooled engine.

[B]

You hear that, Marco? Go fuck yourself. I know he's listening right now.

[A]

That's fine. Let's see. Florida Mansory. What takes a car from really fast to. You shouldn't sell this to people fast. Is it an element of danger? Or the difference between 2 to 3 seconds, 0 to 60? No, it's like, like when a car can spin the tires at like 85 miles an hour with the traction control fully on. It's not necessarily just fast, it's like fast and like a handful. You know where traction control is like a suggestion more so than an actual thing that keeps you from getting wheel spin. Yeah, yeah, that's much more of the, you know, where it's like, wait, you're selling an 850 horsepower Hellcat that you can lease for like $1,000 a month. Like, and what with like regular tires on the back, like that's crazy. Or the McLaren 765, which will like happily do a burnout on the freeway with the traction control on cars that are just really nasty, that you have to kind of fight and wrestle a little bit to drive fast. Where I go, man, you're just gonna sell that to people? Like, wow, that kind of stuff. I thought more people would crash like Tesla plaids, but I think people realize pretty quickly that doing that type of accelerating isn't all that pleas or all that useful. And I guess people are of a little more sound mind than I thought.

[B]

And I would wager a lot of the people that they get excited by that. 0 to 60. They do it a couple times, but once the speed goes beyond 60, at that rate, they slow down. Plenty of people are used to going 60. Very few people other than us and track people are accustomed to going 140. So when it starts to really accelerate beyond what they're used to on the highway, they're like, okay, this is dangerous now.

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I fought the years and the years won. Has decided to buy a Macan. Aside from the PASM Sport Chrono and Sport exhaust, are there any options that make a real difference to the car from a driving feel perspective? Maybe the size and weight of the wheels you get. If you get small wheels versus big wheels versus the sport design, like lightweight wheels, that can make a big difference. Outside of that, there might be a sports steering wheel option in that car where you have a slightly smaller steering wheel that can make a difference. If you get 18 ways versus the base seats, that can make a difference. But those three options, in terms of dynamics, are pretty much it alone. Listless. Wow. It's really. When you take those two words without the rest of the song, it's really depressing. I'm looking at 2023 models. The price difference between an Audi E Tron GT non RS and a similarly equipped Porsche Taycan 4S is around 30k. Is the Taycan 4S really a $30,000 vehicle? Excuse me? $30,000 better vehicle and experience than an E Tron GT? No, I don't think it is. I think they're mechanically very similar cars. The Porsche feels more like a Porsche. The steering in particular is much more Porsche like. I think it has better feel than the E Tron. You sit lower in the Porsche, but I think that price difference is much more like perception than reality. Unless. What was the first year of the E Tron? Was that the first? Because if that was. If it's a 2020. I don't remember the first year of the E Tron, but it was definitely after the Taycan 2022.

[B]

Okay, so in spring of 21,

[A]

there may be a, I don't know, possible slight difference in reliability, dependability. Because the Porsche came out a year earlier. I don't really know.

[B]

Well, in the first year, Taycan had a lot of problems. I wonder if the first year E Tron was better.

[A]

It may have been. I haven't tracked it, but that's just one thing that could be. But I do think the difference is perception more than the quality of the vehicle. And when I was looking at Taycans, the E Trons were way, way Cheaper, way cheaper. But like I could have gotten the same car for 10 or $15,000 less almost. But because we talk to people about Porsches so much, it just made more sense to just buy the Porsche. And I think that was for me the right call. But for you, if what you want is like a good dynamic driving, fast, comfortable EV that's depreciated to below what the experience of the car will provide you, there's not a $30,000 difference between those two cars at all. There's maybe, maybe a 10, right? Maybe some difference.

[B]

Probably.

[A]

Let's see. ADH my D, that's pretty good. I'm listing my 2014 BMW 335i M Sport for sale. I've deemed that it's not a fit for bat. I think it could be acceptable for cars and bids, but I'm scared that it will sell too cheap at auction. Am I crazy or should I just do the marketplace auto trader thing and wait for the right person to come along and willing to pay what I think it's worth? Well, look, I mean there are well known strategies that you can employ to maximize your car's sale at auction. You can give it a great fucking detail. You can, you know, service it it right before with records. You can take really great photography, do really great videography. There's things you can do to improve your odds of getting a good number at auction. You can also set a reserve. And if you don't think you don't want to sell your car for less than a certain number, you can set a reserve price and you don't have to. There's that and then you're out the listing for fee. You can also. But those same strategies with good photos and good descriptions and service records, those are the same things that you would use to maximize your value anywhere else but trading it in at a dealership. You still have to invest that time in making the car look good no matter what. So the question is, do you want to negotiate down with somebody, right? Do you want to be the person that others are coming to and telling you why they don't think your car is worth this much to your face and negotiating you down? Or do you want to put your car out there but have them negotiate up with each other? That's the difference. I would much rather present something as best I possibly can, put it out there confidently and then let the market tell me what it's worth than me deciding arbitrarily that I'm only going to sell this thing if I get this Much money or that I think it's worth this, even though the market thinks it's worth this, that that's the risk when you sell a car. But if you really want to get every dollar, if you want to really maximize your dollar and you don't really care if that means more work, do the detail, do the photos. Try all the free options first, marketplace, Craigslist, whatever, with those photos and that description. And ask for that big number. And if you get it, great. And if not, you know, you can roll it on cars and bids and see what the market decides. I mean, a 2014 BMW 335i is like the kind of car you see on cars and bids all the time. So it's not like it's too cheap to be auctioned off. I mean, you'll get money for that car. And I think if you present the car well, you'll get like, we sell cars here at west side. We sell cars all the time. We're a local partner for both cars and bids and bat. And if you present the car well, you get market price. You just do. There's enough audience on these sites that you will get market price. That's how I roll. Just market price may not be the amount that the seller thinks it is. That's a different story. Murray, long last name Says bought a 1980s Minolta Tele, a autofocus point and shoot camera. Excited to get back into film photography. Are there plans to dust off your film cameras soonish? Not really, man. In fact, I sold my Pentax K1000 to Gibran I without the process of doing the printing because if I shoot on film, I ultimately have to go to a lab and have prints made, like digitally. I really liked the working in the darkroom and making the prints, the big large format prints and stuff like that. And that was a lot of my process back in the day. And the best camera for me, the best camera really most of the time is the one I've got on me and my phone and really just does the job I need for that. I like the idea of holding a mechanical camera much more than I like the idea of that. I like the actual action of carrying one around. They're fucking kind of heavy and clunky and I feel like sort of a douche. They're real hipster now, but a little bit. But pretty soon, like, film is all that's gonna work as evidence. You know what I mean? Like, pretty soon it's gonna be like the only way to prove the only Way to prove something was real, you know? So I think the industry will see a resurgence.

[B]

That's funny.

[A]

Once you can no longer use digital photography at all as evidence.

[B]

A lot of the pictures in those files were probably shot on film back in the day, so maybe hard to create them with AI.

[A]

Oh, a second. Jay Z has hit the Supra. Speaking on the. Jung Chen, do you pronounce the. Do you pronounce the J?

[B]

I did, but it's probably Yungchen.

[A]

I don't know what it is. Jung Chen. All right, we'll try. If you had David Tracy's mechanical skills, a functioning back and an open pocketbook, what body from them would you buy to build with friends? I don't know how many bodies they have, but, I mean, the idea of an 86 is a good start. I don't hate that.

[B]

Oh, here we go.

[A]

I should have had the list of bodies.

[B]

CarBody.com.

[A]

carBody.com. Hell, yeah.

[B]

It's linked on their site. Oh, boy.

[A]

This looks like they sell fake cars, doesn't it? I mean, okay, classic cars maybe go there. Toyota Land Rover, Nissan Mazda. I mean, I mean, I gotta say, the 86 is probably what I would do, you know, a little S2000 motor in there, maybe. RIP shit. Bronco. Escort Mark 2, Nissan Z, the 240Z, Mazda RX3. That could be cool.

[B]

I might do a 240Z. I think they're beautiful, and it would be really fun to build one from ground up. Not OEM style like David, like mod, you know, I want to head towards where Larry Chen's current car is, but that might be a cool way to go.

[A]

That's pretty cool. I like it. I like a Z, but I think I like an 8086 more. Yeah. Christian says. Oh, wait, I think we talked about that one last time. Zach looks like the singer from Turnstile says. What is the. What do you think the reason is for BMW's reluctance to make a true sports or supercar? Profit margins in crossovers. I think a supercar, a sports car, like a mostly mass produced sports car. Like if they were to make, say, a Z8 again or something like that. Right. Particularly if it was not platform shared with anything else. The way the Z4 and the supra is, is like the lowest margin car that they could probably make.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that's a problem. Right. They could make a Hypercar and make 500 of them and sell them for $5 million and they'd have margin on that. But you ain't getting one. So I think the options right now are to wait and see if Toyota has another car they can platform share with because the Z4 and the supra are now dead. See if somebody else wants to partner on another sports car or build a hypercar. I don't. I mean, it would be a shame if BMW had no sports cars, but they're pretty comfortable building these sport sedans and sport crossovers and sport SUVs.

[B]

It's really not their brand. I mean, the only time they've done it, correct me if I'm wrong, is the M1. Right. And that was small run and that was 50 years ago.

[A]

40 years ago it was an 80, 81. So yeah, me 45 years ago.

[B]

They tried once, but like they've done plenty. They've done really well with what they do. You know, fast sedans, fast coupes based in sports, you know, normal car shape. And they can platform share. It's not like they are missing out on something that was a tent pole of their brand. So, you know, you can love the brand. You can go, oh, wouldn't it be cool if they did this? But. But like, I just don't think it's them and I don't know that they would do a great job at it. They have a good IMSA team like in the, you know, P1 level. But like, I don't want to see that driven on the road. Really. Yeah, it's just not for them.

[A]

Yeah, I think they're following the money. Bring back the smoking Friar Wants to get back into a Corvette. Previously had a C6Z51. Loved it. Always wanted a C5Z06, but also a C4ZR1 has come on the race radar. All three can be had for basically the same money. This is the $25,000 challenge. How would you compare these Corvettes for half cruiser, half canyon car? So like, you know, the older you go in Corvette, like the worse the build quality and the worse the technology. But C4ZR1s are really a if you know, you know, kind of car car. And 25 grand will get you an awesome one, like a low mile one in a good color.

[B]

Look at this interior. Oh yeah.

[A]

The seat is actually quite comfortable, but it's just really plasticky. But these things go really fast.

[B]

These bolsters are great. You need these in the zinger.

[A]

Yeah, they're cool. But these are very fast cars. They handle really well. Well, they're really comfortable once you're sitting in them. Time hasn't been kind to them. In terms of the styling or the buttons and stuff. But they're really neat and they're really rare if, you know, you know, kind of cars. C5Z06s are the sort of gold standard of I want to go fast for cheap. And if you've already had a C6, I think going to a C4 will feel like a totally different kind of car. Whereas going to a C5 will feel like a shittier version of the car you had before already.

[B]

The C5Z06 to me is race and track car first. Everything else is secondary. So this is just. They said it's a cruise around and canyon car, cruise around. It's not. I don't think it's good for that. I mean they sound, they look great and sound good, but the inside's bad. This is going to feel at least like a bit of a time machine. And you can go to Radwood with it. You can do more things with it if you're not just trying to go fast.

[A]

Yeah, I agree.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But if you want that vibe, you know, you could also consider a Viper, you know, which would be, which would be a different enough experience, but the same kind of, kind of of vibe. Elderly woman behind the wheel of a small car. That's very good. What car would each of you love to go for a ride in down Woodward Avenue? Could be a muscle car or one of a crazy creation. I would like to drive really anything built by Randy Grubb. But maybe the deco liner, the bus he built that we drove for tuned back in the day. The art deco bus from the roof. Drive it from the roof. You're yachting at that point. You are yachting and it's fabulous.

[B]

That's a great answer. I was gonna be like 33 Ford or something like that, which would also be very fun. But I'll go in a similar vein but small. One of the belly tanker cars that people have built.

[A]

You get very hot.

[B]

I would get very hot.

[A]

Those don't have fans on the radiators.

[B]

Not a good choice. But it's like a fun, interesting choice.

[A]

Sure. You basically would just. What you'd want to do is get towed around by the decaliner, by the decaligner. On like a fixed tow bar.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bmtrew. Last one. Out of random curiosity, I googled a 24 hour watch today and didn't like anything I was shown. Do you know of any 24 hour watch that's not aesthetically icky or is that a stupor hour format to put in A watch anyway. Well, if you're talking about a single, like a watch that has 24 hour markers on it is like a single hand. Yeah, like the Meister Singer is the one that really comes to mind. Yeah, that one. I mean if that's. It's a very specific thing.

[B]

Looks big.

[A]

Some of those are big. But you don't let the white background photos like fool you. But. But also like GMT watches have a 24 hour hand, they also have regular hour and minute hands. So if what you're looking for is a watch that's exclusively a 24 hour watch with two hands or even one hand and has like 24 hour indicators on the main dial, they're probably gonna look a little awkward. If you get a gmt it'll have a regular dial, but then it'll have a 24 hour one to 24 around the bezel and it will have an extra hand that will point to the bezel numbers and that looks much more normal. So Rakheta. Yeah. You can get into the deep rabbit hole of Russian watches. They all tick like fucking time bombs. The QC on Soviet watches is not good. Having said that, one of the best watchmakers in the world is Russian. His name's Konstantin Chaikin and he makes crazy fucking of really dope stuff. That's our show, kids. Fucking good times. You're gonna be hearing it late, but I guess have a good. I hope you've had a good fourth of July weekend. If you're listening, don't blow yourself up. I'm going to Idaho to drive a cool new car I had. Did I tell you the concept of this story has nothing to do with the car? The concept is I was on one of our road and track events and I had an idea that where if you want to find good roads, you should look near a dam. There's always good roads around dams, mainly because they're around lakes and rivers where you also find good roads. And it's also there's going to be some elevation drop of a dam as well. Right. So it's a good way to start looking for roads. And I was assigned to find some damn, fucking damn roads. So I found two of the coolest dams that I could find in the country in the middle of nowhere. And I made a really good drive route between these two dams that should be very spectacular.

[B]

This is a good idea.

[A]

It's a little silly, but it's a reason to go. It's a reason to go to Idaho.

[B]

I mean, I've been near what I don't know, three dams and, like, the one in Tennessee. The roads are great.

[A]

That's where I thought of it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In Tennessee.

[B]

Yeah. Off of whatever by Tale of the Dragon. Yeah, by that. That road's fantastic. And then there's Hoover Dam. And then. I don't know what's around there.

[A]

That's like Valley of Fire.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Valley of Fire. Lake Mead.

[B]

How far is Valley of Fire from the Hoover Dam?

[A]

It's right there.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, it's close. It's close.

[B]

I saw Hoover Dam.

[A]

Lake Mead is right by Hoover.

[B]

Damn. Waverunner. So I don't remember. Oh, yeah.

[A]

The main road is not that, but you turn off afterwards and you hit the good stuff. Yeah. No, there's Lake Powell. There's a. Has a good.

[B]

There's a.

[A]

There's. Folks, it's not one to one. It's not always, but, like, it was not hard for me to find a spectacularly good drive route from this one dam to the other one. Like 300 miles of just epic fucking Idaho river roads. This should be awesome.

[B]

Yeah, that'll be sweet.

[A]

All right. Good times. I'll see you when I get back. Peace out, kids.