Corvette ZR1X Record; 1-of-1 Ferrari Found; WHAT is that Car?

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast: Corvette ZR1X Record; 1-of-1 Ferrari Found; WHAT is that Car?

Hosts: Matt Farah & Zack Klapman
Date: January 16, 2026
Episode Overview:
Matt and Zack dive into the latest performance car news, reflect on their own car adventures, break down the “Performance Car of the Year” picks from Road & Track, delve into the mind-blowing numbers behind the Corvette ZR1X quarter-mile run, and share some automotive oddities—like a one-off Ferrari-badged Elantra found on the street.

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Main Theme & Purpose

The episode centers on:

• Road & Track’s Performance Car of the Year selections and details from testing
• Chevrolet’s astonishing 8-second quarter-mile run in the Corvette ZR1X
• Odd and interesting car sightings in LA, including a unique “Ferrari” Elantra
• Answering listener questions about performance metrics, car buying, and more

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Morning Drives and Car Catching-up

• Matt shares a morning leisure drive in his Porsche 718 Spyder after letting it sit for weeks ("Pink car very happy now" - Matt, 07:01). He connects several scenic canyon roads, finding the optimal route to avoid commuter traffic.
• Discussion on GT3s with wing delete, referencing Jerry Seinfeld’s Porsche builds and how deleting the swan-neck wing alters looks and high-speed stability.

2. Wing Design and Aftermarket Aerodynamics

• Aerodynamics of changed wing heights:
  • Sharkey’s GT4 wing riser kit discussed; speculation about negligible impact on performance but improvement in rear-visibility.
  • "Seeing is good." (Matt, 05:54)
• General philosophy: Let engineers handle the technical aspects (07:26).

3. Road & Track Performance Car of the Year (P.C.O.T.Y.)

• Main Winner: The new Corvette ZR1
  • “The ZR1 is just fucking nuts. It’s insane.” (Matt, 18:57)
• Comparison to other competitors:
  • McLaren 750S: "ZR1 is like legit, like a 750 McLaren but with more traction." (Matt, 32:15)
  • Lambo Temerario: "It's really cool. It's so balanced. It revs to 10,000...the ride's incredible, the steering's incredible and it's really roomy." (Matt, 33:28)
• Zack’s observations on Lucid Air Sapphire: Recalling a previous experience drag racing the Lucid, which rivals high-end performance numbers (29:35).
• Tested Cars: M5 Touring, RS3, Golf R, Mini Cooper, AMG GT Pro, Mustang GTD, and more.
  • “May I never see an RS3 again. I have enough RS3 miles.” (Matt, 34:32)
• Track and real-world usability:
  • “If you are the kind of person whose goal is to go fast and maintain traction...that AMG GT is pretty good.” (Matt, 35:28)
  • Mini Cooper S is dismissed: "Don't buy one of those." (Matt, 36:39)

4. Corvette ZR1X and Performance Metrics

• ZR1X posted an 8.67s quarter mile at 159 mph on street tires
  • "That's got to be the fastest quarter mile ever run on PS4S." (Matt, 22:28)
  • “That zero to sixty time between the ZR1X and the Nevera R is only 2/100 of a second difference. That’s pretty wild.” (Zach, 22:52)
• Technical talk about hybridization:
  • “I’m a little less excited about the ZR1X than the regular ZR1—not because I’m a downer on hybridization, but because GM’s focus…is really drag racing.” (Matt, 19:10)
  • “It really gives you that initial bite really, really well.” (Matt, 21:33)
• Comparisons to other acceleration experiences:
  • “Outside of like bullets, what the fuck else goes from 0 to 60 miles an hour that fast?...Those magnetic roller coasters don’t do that.” (Matt, 23:21)

5. Car Features, Pricing, and Value

• ZR1’s value as a future used buy:
  • "When these things depreciate to $100,000, I am so in." (Matt, 33:01)
• Roof Removability:
  • “The ZR1's roof comes off and that's just a nice thing.” (Matt, 39:09)
  • Matt shares how the convertible aspect clinched his top pick: “I was gonna vote for Temerario as my number one until… I took the roof off and I went for a rip with the top down. I was like, oh my god… this is exactly what's up.” (Matt, 39:30)

6. Listener Q&A and Miscellaneous Topics

• Oddball car versions:
  • Discussed: G-Wagon Cabrio, Nissan Murano CrossCabriolet, Range Rover Evoque Convertible, Dakota Convertible Pickup
• Reliance on driving aides / ESC:
  • “If you're getting into like ABS and traction control, like, you're going too fucking fast. It's a public road.” (Matt, 95:09)
  • On disabling: "What are you doing wrong that is causing the car and the computer to save you from yourself?" (Zack, 96:55)
• Horsepower vs. torque:
  • “If we're going to get away from horsepower, eventually it’s going to be kilowatts.” (Matt, 81:40)
• Financing project cars:
  • Both strongly advise against it ("Just save until you can buy this stuff in cash." - Zack, 84:45)
• Ubers using Fisker Oceans:
  • Matt and Zack speculate on how fleets reprogrammed problematic Fiskers to make them usable (100:47).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Seeing is good.” — Matt Farah (05:54)
• “The ZR1 is just fucking nuts. It’s insane.” — Matt Farah (18:57)
• “That's got to be the fastest quarter mile ever run on PS4S." — Matt Farah (22:28)
• “Outside of like bullets, what the fuck else goes from 0 to 60 miles an hour that fast?” — Matt Farah (23:21)
• "When these things depreciate to $100,000, I am so in.” — Matt Farah (33:01)
• “Don't buy one of those [Mini Cooper S]. That's not good.” — Matt Farah (36:39)
• “You can carry things. You can carry things.” — Matt Farah (42:25)
• “I was gonna vote for Temerario as my number one until…the last day… I grabbed the ZR1, I took the roof off and I went for a rip with the top down. I was like, oh, my god.” — Matt Farah (39:30)
• “If you're getting into like ABS and traction control, like, you're going too fucking fast. It's a public road.” — Matt Farah (95:09)
• “What are you doing wrong that is causing the car and the computer to save you from yourself?” — Zack Klapman (96:55)
• “Just save until you can buy this stuff in cash.” — Zack Klapman (84:45)

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Fun Side Segments

Oreo Sampling Brainstorm (13:11)

Matt muses about wanting a box with one of each Oreo flavor:

"I wish there was a package of Oreos that you could get that had one of every type of Oreo in it...a box...like one of those fancy boxes of cookies. But it's all the Oreos." (Matt, 13:11)
Zack suggests an Oreo Advent calendar.

Car Oddities: The “Ferrari” HyundaI Elantra (53:08–59:50)

• Zack shares photos of a Hyundai Elantra near his home, covered with Ferrari badges, painter’s tape accents, gold-painted wheels, painted caliper covers with Ferrari logos, a tricolore stripe, and more.
• Both hosts are torn between mockery and respect for the commitment:
  • “This is the classiest trash build ever.” (Zack, 58:17)
  • “Do you think this started with, hey man, do you think my lower grill looks like a Ferrari Portofino's? I don't know. Let's take that to its logical conclusion.” (Matt, 58:25)

Identifying a Wild Wrangler Build (49:12)

• Zack asks Matt to identify a strange two-toned (pink and teal) Jeep Wrangler with custom hand-built widebody fenders, a cam-back roof, and huge "Kia" lettering in tape.

Wild Three-Wheeler Formula Car Loophole (76:10)

• Discussion of the Rhine Motors “formula style” street-legal car, sold as a three-wheeler to exploit regulations, then convertible to four wheels:
  • “That’s a very guilty until proven innocent kind of car.” — Matt (79:28)

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Selected Timestamps for Key Segments

• 05:54 — Rear wing visibility and aftermarket solutions
• 13:11 — Oreo sampler fantasy
• 18:57 — ZR1 wins PCOTY; reactions to ZR1X quarter-mile time
• 22:28 — Details on the ZR1X quarter-mile run and technical talk
• 32:15 — How ZR1 compares to McLaren 750S
• 33:28 — Lamborghini Temerario impressions
• 34:32 — Matt’s exhaustive test mileage in the RS3
• 36:39 — Mini Cooper S strongly dismissed
• 39:09 — Convertible ZR1 and value; why Matt picked it as his top choice
• 49:12–53:08 — Video and breakdown of bizarre Wrangler build spotted by Zack’s wife
• 53:08–59:50 — The “Ferrari” Hyundai Elantra saga
• 84:45 — Financing project cars: “Just save until you can buy this stuff in cash.”
• 95:09 — Driving with (or without) traction/stability control on public roads

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Tone

• Casual, irreverent, and deeply knowledgeable
• Full of automotive in-jokes, sidebars, and real-life anecdotes

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode gives you a full debrief on:

• How the new Corvette ZR1X is shattering street and drag records—and why its hybrid system is a game-changer for acceleration
• What it’s like behind the scenes at a major “Performance Car of the Year” comparo
• Whether exotic, high-performance cars have to come with real-world sacrifices (hint: ZR1 might be the outlier)
• Some wild custom cars spotted in LA and why car culture is as creative—and strange—as ever
• Practical car advice for buyers, project car builders, and canyon carvers

If you want the hosts’ full driving impressions, technical breakdowns of performance stats, and the best in high-octane banter, this episode is a must-listen.

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For the best action, check out Road & Track’s Performance Car of the Year feature and the accompanying video Matt hosts, as referenced throughout the show (42:27).

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

Which car?

[Matt Farah]

Spyder? Okay, man, it was annoyed at me for like 15 minutes. The clutch, the clutch is. When the clutch isn't warm, it's unhappy. It's very chattery when it's cold. Racy clutch. Once it's warm it's fine but like sucks when it's was very unhappy because it's like hadn't driven it for like five weeks. It's like a deep cold, you know. And I met up with Evan Funky Our new friend chef watches the Netflix chef's table on him. It's crazy. He's got a GT3 wing car manual that he took the wing off, which is pretty cool.

[Zach]

Very cool.

[Matt Farah]

It's a pretty cool thing. It's like a flip. It's not the ducktail thing like on that Carrera that we tested. It's not like an aftermarket ducktail. But if you look at a GT3, it has the little flip tail on the engine, the mini one, and then the big, you know, swan neck guy. So if you take off the swan neck, there's a, you know, like a gap filler kit basically that just sort of like blacks out where the. Where the wing would go. Got a photo. And. And so when into the rear. The motherfucking rear, not the touring. Ah, there we go. So there you see? So it has the flip tail engine cover, which does not go up and down notably. Right. And then you have the swan neck wing. So it deletes the wing, but it leaves, which is a cool look. At first I thought it was like a lightly modded touring.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Turns out other way.

[Zach]

This is a cool way. His method is good. I was behind a car once. It was a GT3RS that they'd taken off the big wing. That looks strange because you still had all the other shark fins. But this, you basically just make your own little touring design.

[Matt Farah]

I think. I don't know if Seinfeld. Seinfeld certainly publicly did it when he took the wing off his 2Rs, I think. Yeah, 2Rs, no wing. But now for some reason canapa whenever he gets one because I get the emails, they always take the wings off and show him no wing.

[Zach]

Well, Dan, one of our Patreon members said that Canepa is selling a kit that deletes that wing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So maybe that's partly an ad.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, well, maybe. But he was all the ones they do have no wang, which I think is a cool look. It's a look. But Evan, you know, because if you got an actual touring, it has a power wing like a Carrera does. Right. But this one just is a fixed wing like this. So Evan said at like over like 120, it can be a little, like hairy.

[Zach]

Oh, that's cool.

[Matt Farah]

It doesn't move. It doesn't go up and down. It's fixed. So he's like, it's not, you know, it's not great for going really fast. He's like. But I really like how it looks.

[Zach]

It does look cool. And if you, if you know that you're not going that fast ever. Then I guess it's all right. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And he said he can't see with the wing there. And he's been dailying this car.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So, like, you know, I would like to see. I like seeing every time when I drive cars that have wings that block my own vision, I am annoyed.

[Zach]

Yeah. That makes it tough.

[Matt Farah]

And aftermarket companies make, like, different height stanchions. So in a lot of cases, you can raise the wings and you can't really tell. Sharkey makes a kit for the GT4. The GT4 was a real Cayman GT4 is a huge offender in the wing block. Chiron vision. So they make a taller upright that's only like a little bit taller. It's like 2 inches taller or something. But it's enough that it.

[Zach]

You can see that you can see.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

That's important.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

There.

[Matt Farah]

Well, let's assume there are no negatives about having that wing two inches higher. Like, I'm not entirely sure how the wing interacts with the lower element in a way that it might be designed for track use, whatever, but, like, it doesn't really look different. And it. And you can see. Seeing is good.

[Zach]

Yeah. I don't know, Sharkey. I guess they probably haven't done. I don't want to assume on their page, there's nothing that mentions CFD or anything like that. It just says it raises it to perfect proportions and it's made of aluminum.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, look, I don't. I'm not, I'm. I'm making no accusations about.

[Zach]

I'm not accusing nor support. I hope it works well and I hope it just improves downforce and all that stuff. I'm saying, like, it would be, it would be cool if you can, like, I don't know, send some sort of, like, send the measurements to a company that's going to be based in wherever and they can run it through, like, CFD program and just tell you after.

[Matt Farah]

This show, I can ask Tim if using these riser kits negatively affects your aerodynamics.

[Zach]

Yeah. Cool.

[Matt Farah]

I suspect it doesn't.

[Zach]

Well, because the old RSR cars ran really tall wings, like the 70s. Those things were like taller than the roof of the car.

[Matt Farah]

But they were different shapes. Sure. And they, they had a different shape. Like, it's, it's not. I'm not the height. I'm sure, like, in general, taller's better. I don't know. But, like, I think. I think how the elements interact with each other is crucially important.

[Zach]

David Tuig. Let us know. I know you're listening.

[Matt Farah]

There's. I mean, yeah, I'm like, I think, see, I need to just be smart enough to have that kind of consideration. I don't need to be smart enough to do the math on the other end.

[Zach]

Yeah, I agree.

[Matt Farah]

That's where we need to be in life. Right? Moral compass. And then we let the engineers spin it up. Right.

[Zach]

Let the experts decide. Yeah. As long as they've actually gone to school for something.

[Matt Farah]

But after, like, after about 200 miles, pink car, very happy now. Pink car, very happy. But dude, you know what I did? We did. I connected for the first time. Not like in humanity for me. I connected. I did one drive where I connected the north loop to the center loop. So I started at the south end of San Francisquito Canyon Road. Local knowledge incoming. Pull up a map just in case. San Francisquito Canyon Road. We went north all the way to the end, came back around Spunky Canyon to Bouquet Canyon and then went across Soledad Canyon to the east. Okay, so look a little further south of that. So we went on both sides of the 14 highway. So we started. There's San Francisco County. We ran the entire run of that north to the reservoir on the right. Oh, then we did Spunky Canyon. Yeah. We drove into the town of Green Valley, which is there, Spunky Canyon, and then came back south on Bouquet Canyon, which is that long windy bit there. Okay. We crossed over on Vasquez Canyon, which is going east there. We then went north to Sleepy Valley on Sierra highway and came down across to Acton.

[Zach]

And then.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, no, sorry, sorry. We went south to Agua Dulce and ran along the road that's the south side of the 14, like that agua Dulce Canyon Road all the way down along there to the east, and then came back up Soledad Canyon Road. Excellent road.

[Zach]

Nice.

[Matt Farah]

And then came back up Angeles Forest from the north.

[Zach]

Oh. So we connected over here.

[Matt Farah]

Holy shit.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And then we went all the way to there and came down.

[Zach]

Wow. What time did you start this morning?

[Matt Farah]

So we met at the beginning was 7:30. And we were down at the base of Angeles crest at 9:55.

[Zach]

Wow, that's good time, considering he doesn't have a wing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, we're not going crazy pace, but when you take. When you go. When you do the loop that I did in the exact order I did it, you're going opposite commuter traffic the entire way. Oh, perfect. So we were having that kind of good time where there's like so many cars on the road. Going the other way and just nobody going our way. It was quite lovely.

[Zach]

The real question is, did you bring this person to our Denny's in.

[Matt Farah]

We did not have a meal. We did not have meal. We had coffee. We did not have a meal. He, you know, he does. He said he doesn't eat pasta in America. That's his rule on pasta. He doesn't eat pasta.

[Zach]

Does he eat it at his place?

[Matt Farah]

I think he probably has to at a very minimum. But like, he. But no.

[Zach]

Is that just because it's so terrible here compared, or it's like a diet?

[Matt Farah]

Probably just eat too much pasta.

[Zach]

Okay. Oh, okay.

[Matt Farah]

But also maybe that, that's a good rule. I'm sure there's somewhere in America, but. Yeah, I think it is a good.

[Zach]

I think it's a good rule.

[Matt Farah]

That's like, we don't drive like shitty, Like, I don't drive shitty cars. Like, why would I, like, why would I drive. You know, I don't want to use a specific example, but, like, why would I drive that, like, terrible little 2 liter crossover like we have when you.

[Zach]

Can drive fun things. My dad would not eat pork unless he was skiing. It was just a way for him to not eat unless he was skiing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So it's like those are two really unrelated.

[Zach]

They are, but it was just a way for him to like, avoid eating this certain food.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Most of the year.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Don't eat pasta when you're in the United States.

[Matt Farah]

I should clarify if it's because no US pasta meets his standard or if it's just like his method of only pork while skiing. Yeah, I don't have one of those. My nutritionist and I've slipped a bit on it, unfortunately. I haven't really suffered for it, which is funny. But if you're going to have the bad thing, you know, only have the best, best version of the bad thing. During the holidays, I slipped when it came to, like, baked goods because of course, of course you're gonna have like a little bit of grocery store pie, you know.

[Zach]

Well, someone sent Sarah, I think her work day, like eight cookies from this amazing bakery that's located in a different state. And they were incredible. So we ate like one every two days. Yeah, they were like Levaine. They were like six pound cookies.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So that was eating the terrible thing, but the best version of it.

[Matt Farah]

That's nice. But in the holidays. I didn't do that in the holidays. I also ate the, like, not the worst. I didn't eat the good, like the garbage. Garbage. No. But it was like, there's usually. I was really usually good about the best. This time I banged the sevens.

[Zach]

Sevens pretty good. Seven's a passing grade.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, if you. Yeah, if you're. Yeah, it is, but not in terms of. Not in terms of my nutrition.

[Zach]

Well, it's tough because someone, for me, like, if someone makes it from scratch and it's a good cookie, like, that's amazing. But if it's like, I guess Chips Ahoy is the resin hit. You know, that's something like that.

[Matt Farah]

Chips Ahoy.

[Zach]

It feels like cardboard.

[Matt Farah]

Talk about an easily avoidable snack.

[Zach]

Right? That's what I'm saying. Like, that's the Delta is like there's the fancy cookies and then there's the worst. I'll go the fucking rest of my.

[Matt Farah]

Life having zero Chips Ahoy and feel like. All right about that. You know what I wish I could do? I wish there was a package of Oreos that you could get that had one of every type of Oreo in it. Just one of each one. Like a box. Like one of those fancy boxes of cookies. But it's all the Oreos fucking patent.

[Zach]

That if they're all right, they should do that. They should. On the holidays. Advent Oreo calendar.

[Matt Farah]

Do you know how often I am in the grocery store walking down the fucking aisle and I see there's some new crazy ass Oreo And I go, my choice is to buy a pack of 64 of these and you know, throw 63 away. I need a little like Oreo app Sampler would be amazing, wouldn't it? Do they have it already? They probably have it already. It's not like I've been searching for.

[Zach]

This kind of shit, but they kind of do.

[Matt Farah]

Really?

[Zach]

Well, I mean, I said it too. Advent calendar.

[Matt Farah]

It is an Advent calendar.

[Zach]

Yeah, by Milka. What is that?

[Matt Farah]

Milka?

[Zach]

I don't know. This is only available outside of this.

[Matt Farah]

Must have for all or it's what?

[Zach]

I don't know. It has the most popular biscuits of the Oreo chocolate variations from the Milka range.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, okay.

[Zach]

What does that mean? Oh, yeah, it seems like a Swedish version.

[Matt Farah]

All right, I think we're in the right direction, but that's not the right thing. The one I want is just production level Oreos, one of each type. That would be amazing. Be cool as fuck. Anyway, cars. They put the performance car of the year video and story.

[Zach]

We got questions about it today.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

Armin shot these. I didn't know that.

[Matt Farah]

No, no. Greg Pejo shot this. But Armin physically painted light.

[Zach]

He's running around with lights. Cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's very cool. And if you have questions, if you're on the live stream or whatever, we can definitely do questions about it. I guess it's. They revealed the fucking winner, right? Obviously.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, right. You're the winner. Yes. So the ZR1 is the winner. Shocking. Not shocking maybe. You know, the ZR1 is just fucking nuts. It's insane. Yeah, it's insane. And we saw. It's good timing because ZR1X just posted an 8 second quarter mile, which is really wild. I'm. I'm a little like less excited about the zr1x than I am about the regular zr1. Not because I'm a downer on hybridization at all, but because I just know that GM's focus when it comes to hybridization and Corvettes is really drag racing and getting off the line. Like that's kind of what the E Ray is for. You know, the E ray and the Z06 are really almost the same price. They overlap by quite a bit and they were straight up. The E ray is for drag racing and road tripping and the Z06 is for this. And same thing with ZR1 and ZR1X. In my opinion. This is not driving it yet, but the fucking thing did in eight seconds. I think it's optimized maybe for that.

[Zach]

Well, the regular one aligns more with the Style of driving you like to do. Yes. We don't have many or any drag strips here anymore. Right. Pomona's gone. We don't drag race. There's no strips. And we don't really road trip in the winter.

[Matt Farah]

I mean look, a car that can run an eight. That's such a fast car. That's rimats like numbers. Like with what is claimed to be half the horsepower or no two thirds the horsepower of what a Nevera has.

[Zach]

But it's also. I mean the Nevera is electricity. Just electricity. And we all know that that is like the. Well, it seemed like for a long time, last 15 years the way to get down a road quickest is electricity. It's instant power. Basically the speed of light. And now you have this.

[Matt Farah]

Cool.

[Zach]

I think what's impressive about this is the handoff that's happening from the electric motors to the gas powered engine and just maintaining that kind of pace. That's incredible.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Well, at least in the E Ray and as far as I know, the ZR1X system operates essentially the same as the E Rays. It's upgraded but in. It's really just like getting you through that initial either bog or turbo lag or burnout. You know what I mean? It's just making you go forward at a time when a traditional. The gas engine can do it.

[Zach]

It's the feat for the bobsled team. Right. It kind of gets you out of the hole and gravity takes on it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It really gives you that initial bite really, really well. And with excellent traction management at the front.

[Zach]

So according to GM, it was a prep surface. It ran an 8.675 at 159. It was on pump gas standard equipment tires. The 060 time was 1.68 on that same run. That is so crazy. 1.75 GS of acceleration force off the line.

[Matt Farah]

That's what tires. Was it the same with tires?

[Zach]

Standard equipment tires.

[Matt Farah]

Wow.

[Zach]

So they.

[Matt Farah]

I mean they're going to sell this thing with. This is going to be a.

[Zach]

It was on PS4S 4S tires.

[Matt Farah]

No way.

[Zach]

So it says GM's official PS4S tires. Car was equipped with standard aero standard Michelin PS4S tires and the available carbon fiber wheels.

[Matt Farah]

Wow. Dude. That's got to be the fastest quarter mile ever run on PS4s.

[Zach]

And it did.

[Matt Farah]

That's nuts.

[Zach]

So here it has some numbers. So the RIMAC Nevera R ran a quarter in 7.9 seconds at 186. I was gonna say about 7 miles. Per hour faster.

[Matt Farah]

Top End was higher. And it is, yes, that.

[Zach]

I mean, it's almost a full second faster. And it's also 27 miles per hour higher top speed. But the 0 to 60 time. 27, dude, the 0 to 60 time between the ZR1X and the Nevera R is only 2/100 of a second difference. That's pretty wild. So that, that zero to six, that short thing like you're, you're cool.

[Matt Farah]

You know, they used to say in like the, you know, the 20s and shit, if you went faster than a certain speed, you know your fate, you.

[Zach]

Die or whatever, you open your mouth and the windows open.

[Matt Farah]

But like, and, and I guess like everyone always says, oh, this is as fast as you can go. Or this is like. But when you're getting to numbers that start with a one, you really are getting to as fast as a thing can go. Like, there's almost nothing that accelerates fast. Forget like cars, like outside of like bullets. Like, what the fuck else goes from 0 to 60 miles an hour that fast? Like, even those magnetic roller coasters don't do that.

[Zach]

Ooh, that's a good question. Like the Superman ride, that's a stuff.

[Matt Farah]

That goes really fast. Like airplane. I guess like you need like the hydraulic ram of a fucking aircraft carrier to beat that.

[Zach]

So the Superman, the Superman ride, the Superman escape, which is like a magnetic powered thing and it was super famous, what, 20 years ago when it came out, it was like, oh my God, this acceleration is so.

[Matt Farah]

I did it. It was sick.

[Zach]

It does 0 to 100 in 7 seconds. It does 0 to 62 miles per hour in 2 seconds.

[Matt Farah]

So this beats that.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah. I think as a vehicle, there's nothing that accelerates. I mean, like cars do, right? Even motorcycles, because they don't have the grip.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, I mean, other than, other than like dedicated drag racing things like, you know, it's all, you know, but for a. And I'm probably, I probably have an enormous blind spot here somewhere. I'm going to find out what. But like I don't know of anything that a person could experience that goes from zero to whatever.

[Zach]

That skydiving. Maybe, maybe that's just gravity. Right?

[Matt Farah]

Gravity. You fall one G, this is 1.6 something G. Oh, I was just, I.

[Zach]

Was thinking the acceleration from, from zero standing on the plane to when you reach, you know, 60, when you're falling.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

I'm just curious how quickly you get from.

[Matt Farah]

How quickly.

[Zach]

Not the GS, like the actual time, your speed.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, okay.

[Zach]

And for context, BMW S1000RR does 0 to 60 in 2.6 to 3.2. Sluggish. And if you look, I mean, GM is of course being cheeky, but accurate. They're like the price of everything that even comes close or does beat this ZR1X. Most of the cars cost 10 times to 20 times as much. Unless it's a lucid air sapphire.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, the Sapphire, honestly, that's the drag race I want to see. Yeah, I want to see a sapphire because you, I mean, look, you and I did a quarter mile in a sapphire and like. Holy fucking shit. Yeah, that's, that's, that's a serious, serious, serious drag racing.

[Zach]

I wonder how much time each vehicle needs to like prep the battery. Like when you had the E, when you drove the E Ray at the launch, was there time to set into launch mode if you ran back to back? You know, if you're in back to back runs, do you think there's like a cooling or a battery prep?

[Matt Farah]

Well, battery is small, so it doesn't like last very long. So if you're putting it in like drag racing mode, I think you need to either drive it for a couple of miles or idle it a bit because it'll do a fast idle to charge it for like a little bit.

[Zach]

But that would be a great experiment because the zr1x would have to, like, you know, go and drive into town and back to charge the battery. And the lucid might have to like, cool or prep the battery between runs. So which one could get like 30 to 60 runs done quicker?

[Matt Farah]

You know, it might be able to. So the ZR1X, I wouldn't be surprised if between the braking, the regen. Braking from braking from 160 to 30 right at the end of the drag strip. You gotta brake pretty hard in that car. Right. So I bet you that much regen and then the drive back to the paddock gets you almost all the way back to a full battery. E Rays recharge really fast. Like when I would do. When we did, like you do two or three laps around the track in the E ray and the battery would be mostly depleted and you'd put it into charge and you would do one lap slow and it would be charged. So it was pretty good. Revuelto 2, Temerario 2, they would recharge. Because they're small, they recharge pretty fast. Yeah, but like, that's so fucking fast.

[Zach]

That's really cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So the non X, the non hybrid ZR1 is the road and track performance car. It's essentially like the ZR1 is like legit. Like a 750 McLaren, but with more traction. Like, I like the 750 because you can have a. It's like riding a bull. Like, that's a good time for me. Like, that's too much for some people. And like, that's okay. This is that kind of speed, but it isn't like that. It actually has, like, it turns horsepower into forward motion.

[Zach]

The rear tire is that much wider. GMs or is it just their traction control?

[Matt Farah]

GMs PTM is better. I just think it's better.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, McLaren's is good. Like, you can do it. You can do a whole track day in a McLaren and not get wheel speed, but it will spin. But if you turn everything off. The ZR1 had stickier tires for sure. McLaren uses regular ass tires. The ZR1's tires are also wider.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah. The ZR1 uses 315s. The 750 uses 305s.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And there are compounds on the ZR1 and they're regular like P0s, I think, on the McLaren. But the vibe of the two cars, like how they deliver just explosive power, and it feels like a cheat code to life to drive one of those things. I mean, I cannot wait. I remember Saying when these things depreciate to 100,000 bucks, I am so in. I'm absolutely going to buy one of these.

[Zach]

When they're 100 grand, it's buying your own amusement park ride. That is so fast.

[Matt Farah]

They are nuts. They're so fast. And the Temerario is incredibly special. It's really cool. It's so fun. It's so balanced. It has the magical steering. It revs to 10,000. It doesn't sound amazing outside the car, but it sounds amazing inside the car. It just has much better intake noise than exhaust noise because of the turbos. The ride's incredible, the steering's incredible and it's really roomy, like roomy inside, which is so. And you have side visibility which you never had in a Huracan or a Gallardo. It's all the goodies from Revuelto, but like smaller and it was rad. What other cars do we have here? M5 touring, you know, that's me sliding it, which is a nice photo but I never loved it. RS3 we talked about because I spent like 2000 miles driving that car. I drove it all the way up there and then I drove it all the way back. I drove it on a road and track rally on the way. It was like I lived out of that Rs3 for like a month. May I never see an Rs3 again. I have enough Rs3 miles. But that car really takes a shit kicking if you want like. Cause the GTI we had the five door GTI or Golf R as well. But like the Golf R is really fun right up until you try to drive past the traction control. Like try to go full off. It doesn't like it as much as the RS. The RS3 is happier to do that kind of stuff. But the Golf R has amazing seats. It's really like if you want a road trip, a hot hatch, like that's the shit.

[Zach]

And the fabric they used on it is really nice. Like the shape of it, all of it. It's not just the stuffing, man.

[Matt Farah]

The AMG GT Pro. If you are the kind of person whose goal is to go fast and maintain traction, which is most people, right? Most people even at a track day are not trying to slide around, they're trying to have grip. If that's how you want to drive in a way that your car will really help you maintain a good line, be clean and be very fast, that AMG GT is pretty good. It points really good, great brakes, really fast. And it's perfect right up until you try and do Stupid shit with it. It gets very mad and unhappy.

[Zach]

What does it do, like, with, like, if you turn traction off with that, you know, yellow knob, if you turn.

[Matt Farah]

Traction control off, it will let you get 2 degrees or 3 degrees of yaw and then start killing stuff and it'll get confused.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It's not. It just is not happy.

[Zach]

It's so funny. It's such a journalist problem for the most part. But, like, the simple. Knowing the science of killing traction control for the sake of either video or fun or pictures is, like, in itself a skill.

[Matt Farah]

Well, we just. Yeah. The last two days, and we don't have to talk about it because for the magazine, I did the dyno tasting story where I put the same car on four different dynos. And so the nuances of how cars behave on the dyno are even weirder than this kind of stuff. Yeah. The Mini Cooper, we can just. That's just a. Don't buy one of those. That's not good. That's not good. That one's that. It made the Golf R feel like a fucking McLaren. Honestly, it was not good.

[Zach]

Yeah. They feel like somehow you've put a Civic Si with a Suburban. That's what pops. Like, it's just heavy and everything's up front, and now they're big.

[Matt Farah]

It's very, very strange. And is there any cars in there that I did not mention? Go back up. Sorry, do I go all those gtd? The gtd. I talked about GTD a lot. The GTD is one of those cars that. It's just, if you love Fords and if you love Mustangs, and if you want the greatest Mustang ever, that's it. It's not competitive with other cars that are like $400,000. But it also, like, for the people buying that shit, it doesn't really matter. Like, it's fucking. They're crazy. Outside of a group comparison test, it's. It's in. You know, no one would ever get into a GTD and be like, this isn't awesome. Like, it's. It is awesome. Even if it's, like, marginally not as good as a ZR1 or whatever. It sounds like fucking a NASCAR race all the time.

[Zach]

It looks like a touring car racing car. I mean, oh, my God, there's so much presence to that thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And they actually, like, they ride pretty good on the street. Like, you. You can sort of use them as cars. They have no trunk, but at least you can fold the seats forward.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

There's a whole big Shelf behind the seats so, like you can put stuff in it. Unlike a GT3 RS, it's just, you know, in the world of $400,000 cars, like, pretty stiff competition.

[Zach]

Well, especially when you have ZR1, which costs not half, but like significantly less.22 out the door.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

That's wild. I mean, that is. That is a lot of money for me. That is amazing.

[Matt Farah]

The GTD was 367.

[Zach]

Yeah. To be fair, it's expensive.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, but I called it a $400,000 car, and it's not fair to call that. Oh, yeah, sure. When I'm actually going to be very specific about the other one.

[Zach]

Right, that's fair.

[Matt Farah]

Also, ZR1s, the roof comes off and that's just a nice thing. Even if you don't care. Even if you don't care. If you buy one one day you might be like, you know, it's a really nice day and the roof comes up. And I was gonna vote for Temerario as my number one until the very end of the last day when we had a beautiful sunset and I had like 20 minutes of nothing to do and I grabbed the ZR1, I took the roof off and I went for a rip with the top down. I was like, oh, my God. God. I was like, you're telling me this is a. This is. This is what $200,000 gets you in America. 220 in America right now. Like, this is what we're talking about. And like, they're gonna make five too many of them. So they're gonna depreciate like fucking crazy in a couple years. Like, this is the shit. Like that. This is exactly what's up. Because. Because Lamborghini's smart, right? They're gonna make one less than people want. You know what I mean? They're fucking printing money with Uruses and platform shared stuff. Like with the sports cars. They can always make one less than people want, even with Revueltos and all that shit. Right. Like GTD. One less than people want all of these cars. GT3. Absolutely. One less than your core. GM will never and has never learned this.

[Zach]

Right. They make as much money as they can. Yeah, sure, give it to me as.

[Matt Farah]

You can sell and then a few more.

[Zach]

I mean, Porsche kind of does that too. Like they have some limited things. They just do a slow rollout. So Porsche has, like. It seems like it's limited. It's limited in how many you can access at once.

[Matt Farah]

That's true.

[Zach]

But I think it works in their favor and in And I mean, this is just what I see is the more of the really good cars that are out there, even when they depreciate, it exposes people to that brand and the cars are still good. And then you have more fans of the brand. So when the new thing comes out, there's more fervor around it.

[Matt Farah]

Sure. But, man, when these fucking things get to be a Hondo.

[Zach]

What was it where UZ06 is now? We have. How many of our friends have bought? 2 or 3 friends.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And they've had really nice stuff and now they've got these things. I mean, it just seems like it makes a lot of sense.

[Matt Farah]

I got two years. Excuse me. Two years later, they're 100 grand.

[Zach]

That's wild.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And to go back to the roof off thing, usually the faster and more extreme a car gets and the ZR1 is both of those things, you have a lot more compromise. Right. GTD. You lose the trunk, GT3Rs, you lose the frunk. It's just like, okay, you want to go faster, faster. We have to remove these features because we need the system to accommodate that speed. ZR1's like, roof comes off, Roof comes off. Still, it still has the same trunk in the back. Two golf clubs.

[Matt Farah]

It does have the same trunk in the back, yes. Although with the wing there, it becomes an interesting negotiation for certain items to get in there.

[Zach]

Well, if you put a loaf of bread in there, it's sliced when you take it out now. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

No, but yeah, you can carry things. You can carry things.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So the whole big story with lap times and very pretty photos and all that other stuff is [e-mail]. there's also the video, the video that we made, actually, it's probably the best one we've ever done. There is a pretty good video that I host. It's fully produced. There's interviews with a lot of people as well as a lot of good action.

[Zach]

Oh, Andy Hendrick was there with Mark. Cool. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And there's also a lot of, like, sub stories that people have written about that kind of thing.

[Zach]

Nice.

[Matt Farah]

So what a thing. Yeah, we should get one here.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we should. The only thing about the ZR1 is that's like not awesome is that it is quieter than the Z06 because it's turbo, obviously, particularly with the top down. And also that the extra horsepower versus the Z06 doesn't actually come into play very much below 70 or 80 miles an hour, obviously. So for most drivers, the Z06 is actually kind of the one you want. It sounds a little better, and it's really fucking fast. And they're very similar cars outside of that one is just the turbo, you know, but. Thousand horsepower.

[Zach]

I imagine these are selling very well in, like, Texas 2000. Like, the 2K stuff like these will be everywhere. And then when people start putting bigger turbos on them and running 2000 horsepower ZR1s at the drag strip, that's going to be nuts.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Can't wait for them to be a hundo. That's going to be fucking sweet.

[Zach]

What a rad thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it really does. I mean, in a lot of ways, it felt very, you know, McLaren y for a car that is not a carbon tub. And it's quite a bit heavier than the McLaren, but it steers in a. In. It doesn't have the feel that the McLaren, the hydraulic. But it does. It's as direct. The gearbox actually feels very similar to what McLaren's gearbox feels like. The power delivery is very similar. There's even more of it because you have a little more displacement, but, man, tons of grip. Tons of grip. But fucking. Did they put any slidey shots in there? I did a bunch of. I did a bunch of that, and I hope they used some of it. That would have been. That would have been awfully nice. Nope. Now it's all just details. No.

[Zach]

That.

[Matt Farah]

That maybe. Yeah, there's a couple. That's nice. That's a good one, Mark. Nicely done. Didn't get very. These tires don't get that smoky.

[Zach]

Well, super sticky and humongous tires. I'm sure you were like. The slide probably was over so quickly because it just grips up and starts sending you forward.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they just like these. No, you. Yes, it kind of does hook up pretty good. You can't do a really long one, but it's. You can. You kind of can, though.

[Zach]

You need that third gear shit.

[Matt Farah]

Third, fourth gear. Yeah. I don't have the balls for that kind of stuff. It's too important when there's, like, 12 other people that need to drive the cars, like, four more days. And, like, the wheels are carbon, so if you have, like, an off, you're probably gonna, like, one up.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

I don't want to crack.

[Zach]

No, you do not want to sideline the car on a production of that size. It's just. It ruins everything.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. They don't get that smoky, though. The M5's tires got very, very smoky. That's the smokiest one. That's a good time. I love I love a performance. Cars of the year were there. She want to like. Let's go. Should we go to questions about that and then come back to something else? Sure. Were there direct questions about P. Cody?

[Zach]

Well, I. Let's see. I saw one about wow, this is running really slow. We talked about that.

[Matt Farah]

Maybe this was a bad idea to do on the fly.

[Zach]

I think we. Let's see. LL Cool Bean. That's a great name. What was your favorite memory of this year's P. Cody?

[Matt Farah]

My favorite memory?

[Zach]

Ooh, ZR1 top down.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean that drive, that drive in the sunset with the ZR1 with the roof down was pretty, pretty special. That was, that was a good one. Getting to drive the Temerario in the rain was pretty fun. That was a pretty good, pretty good wet weather car actually. I really, I really enjoyed that. I probably won't ever get to do that again. Pretty unique circumstance. Let's see. I don't know. I think, I think that drive in the ZR1 really is it. I'm sorry if I don't have a new, a new other one. But how did I rank the cars? I only. We only rank our top three. Oh yeah. So they don't ask us to rank all the way down.

[Zach]

So what if everyone ranks the same top three? There's like 10 cars there, right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So the bottom seven, how would they shuffle those into order just based on lap time?

[Matt Farah]

I don't know if they. I don't know if they do. I don't. Did they, did they rank them all in that order? All the way in order?

[Zach]

I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

I guess they, I don't know if they did.

[Zach]

Oh, you're right. They're not really ranked.

[Matt Farah]

They didn't ask us to do that. They said just give us your top three.

[Zach]

Oh, okay.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So my, I mean my top three were the ZR1, the Temerario and the GT3, which. Shocking. I mean but, but also like, I mean those are all very, very expensive cars. But the, the Golf R was pretty sweet as well. I think you're still, you're right in the money now with the Golf R.

[Zach]

I mean talking to you makes me want to buy a used RS3 with a warranty for like two years. Yeah. What a great thing.

[Matt Farah]

Good everyday car.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Good. Good at doing all kinds of different stuff.

[Zach]

Little more fun in the than Golf R. Oh yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And like very, very fast.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Better H Vac.

[Zach]

Well, better like controls, right?

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah. Audi controls are just better. Yeah. And it sounds, you know, it sounds cool. It's. It's fucking cred as fuck. And big trunk like. That's a very practical car.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

The RS3.

[Zach]

We drove the new S3 together and it's basically the same.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, same car.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's.

[Matt Farah]

It's lovely. Even the new S3 is great.

[Zach]

Will you. I need your help in identifying a car.

[Matt Farah]

Matt Farah Boy.

[Zach]

My wife filmed this on the road. And is it a Wrangler with no fenders? I'm not.

[Matt Farah]

Because that's what it looks like.

[Zach]

It's a. It's a couple things really.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Zach]

See, play this video.

[Matt Farah]

You shouldn't film while driving. Okay. So this is. It's. It's a four door wrangler with no fenders. It's pink on one side and what.

[Zach]

Color is Teal on the left?

[Matt Farah]

Teal on the other side. And then it just. Like it says Kia just in tape.

[Zach]

Maybe in huge fonts.

[Matt Farah]

Huge, huge letters.

[Zach]

The size of like a monster energy can in terms of the height.

[Matt Farah]

And then some kind of camper top.

[Zach]

We got a second angle here.

[Matt Farah]

Like it has one of those, like angled.

[Zach]

Well, it's funny is it's got this cam back, but it's covered like a cybertruck. So this person can't see out of the back of their car anymore.

[Matt Farah]

Very interesting.

[Zach]

But look at the. Can I punch it?

[Matt Farah]

The buttress here.

[Zach]

Yeah, look at the buttress.

[Matt Farah]

So in the cam back, it has a weird, like, buttress in it. Oh, this is like kind of funky.

[Zach]

My favorite. So the reason I show this because it's not just like, like it's a wrangler with weird fenders. But then I zoomed in and I realized that these fenders are not. This is not a straight line. Like, this is like a handmade wide body.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And then up here they added buttresses to the front fender. So for people listening, there's. Imagine a triangle is reaching out from the front door hinge to the fender, like for extra.

[Matt Farah]

That's a very good description of that.

[Zach]

And then it like matches. So I don't know if it's an art car or a SEMA car or they're just trolling the world with this huge Kia badge on the back.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, it's really strange, but I mean, it's clearly someone's full on concept.

[Zach]

You know what's funny? It's definitely a wrangler, obviously, because if you look at the exposed hinges, but what jumps out is that they left the stock bumper on.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It also has a temporary license Plate on it.

[Zach]

Someone just bought this.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Like, why change literally every part of the body to, you know, be entered into an art competition, but leave this stock black bumper with the reflectors?

[Matt Farah]

Well, if there is, it looks like there's a camera right underneath the eye in Kia. So maybe that's their rear view mirror.

[Zach]

And then what's this little thing?

[Matt Farah]

That's probably. I mean, you. You would put a camera there. That's where a camera might be. Yeah, yeah, it's. I mean, it's unquestionably stupid looking for sure. I mean, that's pretty bad. I'm sort of a live and let live kind of guy. That's hideously ugly and also looks very cheaply done.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's the funniest thing about the fenders to me. Like, they put a lot of work, but they didn't have a lot of time.

[Matt Farah]

It looks. It's like high school Pimp my ride shit.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yeah, very much so.

[Matt Farah]

Like, my nephew, you know, is young. He's like, you know, he just turned 16. He got his first car. It's a Honda fit Nice, you know, and he's talking about. And as a, you know, as a budget constrained 16 year old does, he's finding ways he can modify his car that he can afford, of course, you know, so it's like seat covers making some fog lights fit. And like he actually, to his credit, got the JDM armrests, you know, because his car's a no armrest. Did Sarah's fit have an armrest?

[Zach]

No, it did not.

[Matt Farah]

Well, the JDM one, the jazz does. So he got the jazz armrest.

[Zach]

You know how important that is? That was one of the big problems of that car.

[Matt Farah]

So he's asking me about other things. You know, what should he get for his car?

[Zach]

T handle.

[Matt Farah]

There's a couple things where I'm like, look, let my embarrassing failures help guide you here. So I was like, here's a list of things you cannot modify on your car unless you're gonna spend real money, you know, to do it the right way.

[Zach]

Can I show you the opposite of what you have told this young man?

[Matt Farah]

Yes, absolutely. The opposite of what I've told him.

[Zach]

Look at this.

[Matt Farah]

Whoa.

[Zach]

Hyundai.

[Matt Farah]

Is that an Elantra?

[Zach]

Yeah. You know what's funny is like blocks from my house.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, so it's an Elantra with a Ferrari badge on it, a splitter, like a big like looks like a racing splitter and a lower grill with a Ferrari horse on it. That actually looks kind of Ferrari. Like that Lower grill shape. Looks like it could be off of California or something, doesn't it?

[Zach]

It does.

[Matt Farah]

Or a Portofino.

[Zach]

There's more. But wait, Matt. There's more.

[Matt Farah]

But then there's a tricolore stripe. Black. It's a red car with a silver and black stripe down the center. Okay, but wait, there's more. Let's go. Oh, boy. Okay. All right, so the Hyundai badge has been replaced by another Cavallino. And then it says in a real auto zone font block letters, GTO.

[Zach]

So this is like a 599 GTO.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, and then it has the Ferrari badge, like the rear deck lid, the written badge at the base of the rear windshield.

[Zach]

Yeah. Epic, really, the commitment to this. And we've got carbon trim on the trunk.

[Matt Farah]

Wait, there's two more photos in this series. There are.

[Zach]

Keep going. This is just a wider shot of the back, but the real magic. I noticed the wheel. I noticed. Metal man almost spit his water out. Ladies and gentlemen. We got him.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, my God. Oh, wow. Okay, wait. First off, can I point something out? Do you think this person has real drilled and slotted brake rotors?

[Zach]

Yeah, I can. I can't. There we go. Look. These are. These are actually. These are real drill. These are not covers.

[Matt Farah]

Wait, are those. But those aren't the real brake calipers. That's got to be a caliper.

[Zach]

Might be a caliper cover which is yellow and says Ferrari on it.

[Matt Farah]

Does. But then it has the. The fucking 60s knockoff spinner with.

[Zach]

With the safety wire, and it's facing the right direction. When I walked up to this car, I just stopped. I was walking with Sarah, and I go, whoa. And I walk around, and I just keep taking pictures. And she says, I've never seen you so excited about a car and the safety. Like this person. Yes. This is a kind of silly idea. Waste of money. But the commitment and the detail is actually impressive.

[Matt Farah]

The tack.

[Zach]

I didn't have a picture of it. The tack is painted yellow. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Matt Farah]

Is it? Okay. All right. The problem I see here, there's no.

[Zach]

What problem could you possibly see?

[Matt Farah]

What I don't understand? Okay, What I don't understand the commitment to this. To the bit with the spinner and the safety wire. And I think this is some real attention to detail. And the fact that he probably thought. Of course it's a. He thought that. Thought that, well, I'm gonna put this spinner and this wire in here, and that's gonna draw a lot of attention to my wheel. So I Better put cool looking brakes. People just don't go, oh, what a loser. And so actually has like nice looking brake hardware. What looks like it, but I think maybe it's fake. But that same person couldn't find the right font for the GTO badge. It looks like they bought almost a real Ferrari badge. And like they have real Cavallino badges and stuff. Or at least real ish. And then they had that horrible.

[Zach]

It's like block font and caps.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's not the body.

[Zach]

It might be.

[Matt Farah]

No, it's not. I don't think it is. Is it the. It's not from like the 70s, right?

[Zach]

No, I think it would be. It's not even from the new one.

[Matt Farah]

No, the new one is more like curvier. It's thinner and curvier. Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah. That's a weird font choice.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's a bad font choice because actually the rest of it, you know, sort of like a for effort.

[Zach]

No, you're right. I feel like they ordered. They ordered like a letter kit on Amazon came with every letter in the Alphabet, and that's what they had. I also forgot that they. He kind of like they painted the wheels so that the spokes look gold and the outsides are silver. So it's supposed to look so.

[Matt Farah]

It looks like a three piece.

[Zach]

I mean, the lines, like they taped it, you know, they taped this off. It wraps around the entire spoke, bro.

[Matt Farah]

60 at 60 at 60 miles an hour. I bet the effect of the spinner with that color, I bet it's like almost belief.

[Zach]

It looks pretty good.

[Matt Farah]

I bet it almost looks. It almost looks like a lip.

[Zach]

Probably so wild.

[Matt Farah]

That's pretty amazing, dude. Did you just stand around waiting for this guy to come back? No, that's what.

[Zach]

I don't have time for that. But I walked around it for a good three minutes and just kept saying, wow. And just taking more and more pictures.

[Matt Farah]

Because you're telling me this person's Instagram handle was not on their car?

[Zach]

It was not. That means they're a classy person. This was the most unbelievable onion, man. I just kept peeling layers and just.

[Matt Farah]

Going, this is the classiest trash build ever.

[Zach]

It really was. And they had. They had like a Ferrari steering wheel cover on it.

[Matt Farah]

Do you think this started with, hey, man, do you think my lower grill looks like a Ferrari Portofino's? I don't know. Let's take that to its logical conclusion.

[Zach]

I wonder if this is someone that the goof works like at a body shop so they have access to tape Paint, stuff like that. And either they practiced on their car and they knew it would also be a goof. Like they must be intentionally trolling while also refining their craftsmanship.

[Matt Farah]

Sure. It's a practice beater.

[Zach]

It's a practice beater, and I can't knock that. And the commitment to the bit isn't. Now that's okay. If this is someone who's aspiring to own a Ferrari, this is not the way you spend your funds to get there.

[Matt Farah]

That's no bueno.

[Zach]

And this would not be the way to do it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Every dollar spent on this is a dollar that's no longer in the bank to buy a real one. It's never coming back.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I would love to take this car and drive it across an entire state off road.

[Zach]

Oh, that'd be fun. You could be shoveling dirt everywhere.

[Matt Farah]

I got seven Hyundai for this car. I'll drive it across the entire state of Oregon on dirt.

[Zach]

Yeah, this was. It was quite a discovery.

[Matt Farah]

That's amazing. Where'd you find that?

[Zach]

Three blocks from my house near the IMAX thing.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, my God. You found that in your neighborhood?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Wow. Wow.

[Zach]

I was walking to the dog park, bro. This was parked in front of very expensive building, like the townhouses that I can't even come close to a fort.

[Matt Farah]

Wow. That's pretty awesome.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I thought you were gonna tell me you were out by the shooting range or something. Like way out in the middle of several blocks. Right there. Here? Right here. Wow. Amazing.

[Zach]

Fantastic.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, should we talk about dbx or should we save that?

[Zach]

Huh? We can save it. We're at 52 minutes. We have to do another show before we leave.

[Matt Farah]

That we do. Before I go drive a thousand miles in a lucid gravitay.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I just found out it's got plug and charge on EA and Tesla superchargers, so I don't even have to down download the Tesla app or anything.

[Zach]

Oh, nice.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, this is gonna be. It's gonna be an interesting one if. Yeah. I've confirmed with my hotels that they have two to four electric chargers. There's a note in my file that I really will need one overnight. The only dice roll is Zion National Park. That's the only one. Because if that one is, if it's unavailable or I can't use it, I'm gonna have to somehow find another one, a slow one at another hotel that I'm not staying at to use it. There's no fast charger there, so, like, I have to find a slow charger whether it's in my own. But like, the hotel I'm staying at is not the same one that we stayed at last time. It's another one. But they have four EV chargers there. And I was like, is this gonna be a problem? I have to use it. And she's like, it's midweek, it's very slow season. I'm putting it in your file. They definitely work. People have been using them. And I went, okay.

[Zach]

That town was quiet when we were there. And it's still winter. Yeah, it's more winter.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I'm not gonna do the hike though.

[Zach]

I don't think that's fine.

[Matt Farah]

I gotta drive a lot that day. Yeah, I have to drive from Zion to Sedona, which is like 285 miles of like back roads. I mean, it's like mostly desert backroad.

[Zach]

But it's also colder in Zion right Now it's like 30 degrees at night. 50 is the high. So the time we hiked it would be like 38 degrees.

[Matt Farah]

That's cold. I don't really want to do that.

[Zach]

You wanna stand on a cliff when it's 38 degrees and you're freezing and your hands don't work that well?

[Matt Farah]

I mean, imagine the level grabbing the chains. Imagine the level of stiffness I would have after doing that hike in the cold and then immediately getting in the car and driving. Driving 280 miles of windy roads to Sedona. I'd be so fucked up after that, man. Oh, God. Oh. Update on the giveaway car. The dates of the contest have been a little bit abridged, which is actually okay. It's going to run from March 1st until I think like September 8th. So it's not gonna be all year. So people have been emailing about it, they've been asking on Instagram and whatever. Fine. I'm down for their enthusiasm. I'm ready to go. We're ready to go. But march. So hold your motherfucking horses. Cool. Let's go to the people. Of course, [e-mail] thesmokingtirepodcast it's how you get in on the action. Ask questions for the live show, watch the live show, get the show before everybody else. Get extra show. Get show shows without ads. All the shows, ads and a whole lot more. In those people's turn it is. Oh, boy.

[Zach]

Wait, I think this is asking us.

[Matt Farah]

To choose to re, fuck, marry, kill World War II.

[Zach]

Is it about the cars, though? I took this to be about the cars.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, oh, oh. The last Sentence. If you get to the last sentence, it makes it more about the cars. Okay, sorry, sorry. Okay, let's see. Allied versus Axis Powers cars. All right, so Allied is the US France and Great Britain, and Axis is Germany, Italy and Japan. I mean, if I had to do Germany, Italy and Japan.

[Zach]

Cars, I'm choosing those.

[Matt Farah]

For cars, I'm choosing those. I'm sorry. Listen, as we're learning in real time, you know, crimes against humanity are one thing, but good cars can be completely separate. You know, I don't care about that man's politics. He makes a fine automobile. That's what I've heard in Florida. I was like, you're Jewish. You know that, right? Yeah.

[Zach]

Okay, well, it's Sarah Silverman song. Jewish people driving German cars. It's the opposite of fubu.

[Matt Farah]

Was that from Jesus Magic?

[Zach]

I think so.

[Matt Farah]

I was right. Yeah. The Roger Farah podcast. Looking for a 997 or 991 Carrera S? With the advent of the mainstream market, car auction sites and dealers still dominating. Is the Renlist Marketplace still relevant in today's buying landscape? I have no idea. Where did people buy cars on the Renlist Marketplace? Is that what people did? Is that where people bought cars? I don't know. I've never used that before.

[Zach]

I guess all these things came about.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I suppose, like, here's the thing with. With auction sites. If you're gonna have success on an auction site, like, real success, you need to, like, put in the effort. Like, really good detailing, really good videos, really good photos, all that kind of stuff. Very complete service records, all that shit. And it costs money. Whatever either costs you time to do all those things or money to pay people to do those things, and then time and everything else, and then you have to actually pay for the listing. I always tell people, because when we do it for them as a client, they're like, oh, my God, that's expensive. And I go, yeah, well, it's like this many hours of work if we do it, and we do it a lot. And if you do it for the first time, it's probably gonna be like 50% more hours than that. And they're gonna be your hours. So what are you thinking? But they get very taken aback at the price. And I go, look, do the free shit first. Take like 10 cell phone pictures, write a thing, go on Craigslist, go on whatever your forum is, go on Facebook Marketplace and let that shit simmer for like a month. See if you get bites, you're gonna have to get. You're gonna get low ballers, you're gonna get hagglers. You know this bullshit. But like that's what selling on those things looks like versus at auction. You have to do a lot more work up front. But then once it's out there, they're negotiating up, not down. So not everyone's just coming to your door telling you why your car's a piece of shit and why it should be cheaper. Send Preludes. That's pretty good.

[Zach]

Such a good name.

[Matt Farah]

That's pretty good. I saw a Cadillac Escalade pickup truck the other day and forgot those existed. What other odd versions of models are out there? The G Wagon Cab and Nissan Murano Cross Cab come to mind. The Range Rover Evoque convertible, obviously there was a Dodge Dakota convertible pickup.

[Zach]

Convertible pickups I think make the least sense. The fancy pickups make total marketing money sense to me. And when they came out with a convertible Evoque, I was like they're going to sell as many as they can make. This just seems like it's a turducken. They just go, oh. Certain markets love fancy things and convertibles put them together. But convertible pickup truck, why.

[Matt Farah]

Of course the G Wagon or the Maybach Lingolets with the rollback tops, the Fiat jollies. I mean there's all kinds of, of weird stuff out there. The 80s had some weird patch backy kind of things that Nissan NX200 or Nissan, which is the one with them.

[Zach]

The NX200 looked kind of like a Solara.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah. Christian Larson has been working as a porter at a Porsche dealer. Recently drove a993 for the first time and found it surprisingly insular and refined. I was expecting it to be more raw and visceral. What am I missing? 993s are soft compared to all other air cooled cars. The older you go, the more raw they get. Pretty much they peak raw at the 73Rs and then they get a little softer before that.

[Zach]

And I think there was a blip like 996gt3rs like right at the end like. But the 993 was. They hadn't advanced like the na power all the way but they were adding, they had advanced all the sound deadening a lot. So I think it's kind of like this weird mix of the two.

[Matt Farah]

And it had the new rear suspension that was softer and it had more like literal like leather and all kinds of stuff and Vario Ram, all these more like tech things, emissions things. It was the first 911 with like modern emissions controls really in it. It beyond, you know, cats. So it's. Yeah, they're soft, they're lovely and compared to, you know, brand new cars, they're pretty raw. But they're, they're pretty soft. That's why I think, why people like them. They're good for putting miles on K cars. Looking to upgrade my boxster, maybe a 718 GTS. But compared to a 981 spyder, what factors would you consider in the trade? I mean, I don't. Well, the 981 Spyder, like the older Spyder has like the tent roof. Like that's like a real commitment. That's like even my roof isn't that annoying. The 718 Spyder roof is all right. The 718 GTS is like almost a perfect car. I probably would just get that. That actually if you 981 spider is going to be more raw and you know, the nerds will be like, ooh, is that the early Spider with the tent roof? But there's almost no situation in which a six cylinder 981 is better than a six cylinder 718 to me. Not much. The only difference is if you must have an exhaust that comes together and makes that, that traditional porsche sound. Because 718s have a true dual and it sounds more rumbly. Even the six cylinder cars do. So if you really care about that, you can't make a 718 sound like a GT3. It's not possible. My car sounds like World War II aircraft, not like a GT3. So it's just a different thing. But like if you have money for a 718 GTS, I don't know why you're looking at anything else. Honestly. Duffel shuffle retirement club. What business advice would you give to yourself from 10 or 15 years ago and would younger you have followed it? Yeah. Delete your Twitter in 2012.

[Zach]

I would just take boulder swings just earlier because you're going to end up taking them anyway. So she just, just get out of the way.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Huh. That's interesting.

[Zach]

And just start a small investment account early and dollar cost average in conservative funds because time is your friend. Buy real estate in New Zealand 15 years ago.

[Matt Farah]

Don't hire friends.

[Zach]

Don't hire friends.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean you don't, you don't really count.

[Zach]

That's true. We weren't friends before.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, because I said that to somebody else recently and they're like, what about Zach and I was like, zach is. Yes, but like we didn't meet. It wasn't like we were friends for 10 years and then I was like, hey, I'm doing a thing.

[Zach]

Very good point.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. We met under the context of I was starting the thing. So that's not really the same.

[Zach]

That's true.

[Matt Farah]

But that's a good one. That's a big one. Really try to avoid working with friends.

[Zach]

That can just get so messy.

[Matt Farah]

I should have learned it the first time. Queers shifting gears.

[Zach]

You hear that Larry Kosila? He should have learned it the first time. I don't even know if you're talking about him. I just wanted to fucking needle him.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, wait, wait, wait. I painted my lemons car in a Lisa Frank rainbow leopard print livery. That's fabulous.

[Zach]

Awesome. I went to a Lisa Frank party once. It was so fun.

[Matt Farah]

What's a Lisa Frank party?

[Zach]

I didn't know until the party invite came. When I show you, you'll immediately know what it is. Lisa Frank was like a brand that sold a ton of neon colorful shit to women in like the 90s.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. OK. I definitely know what this is. So that's Lisa Frank. Yeah.

[Zach]

That's cool.

[Matt Farah]

I would love that on a race car. My friend did an after 8 mints race livery. That's pretty cool. If you had to avoid picking a well known existing race car livery, how would you paint a race car? Oh, that would be fun. Like I would paint a race car after eight minutes.

[Zach]

Are delicious.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. What's a product that I really love that like, I wish would just support my race car, but like doesn't actually marijuana. Just general, just general support for marijuana.

[Zach]

You just paint marijuana. You could paint a leaf and they'd be like, oh, which dispensary? And you go, nope, the plant.

[Matt Farah]

No, I support them actually. They don't support me. I support them.

[Zach]

That's true.

[Matt Farah]

That would be really funny. Just a general support for marijuana would be an exceptional race car livery. I mean, I would love to have cigarettes livery. I would have to do Camel lights because they were my cigarette of choice. I think they Camel. Was there any Camel race cars of note? I mean, I know there was a nascar, but like I'm pretty sure they.

[Zach]

Sponsored Eddie Jordan's car.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, you're right.

[Zach]

Yes, it was dhl. I just saw that story.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, was it also the, the Martin Brundle car? The yellow car that he crashed? Wasn't that a yellow Camel car? Yes, it was. Right.

[Zach]

That was also. But anyway, yeah, you're right.

[Matt Farah]

Sorry.

[Zach]

Some Racing.

[Matt Farah]

I wouldn't do yellow. My car would look like a pack of Camel lights like a gentleman.

[Zach]

You know you gotta get a G body or something that is shaped like a rectangle and then paint it exactly like a pack from top view down. That would be pretty funny.

[Matt Farah]

You know it'd be a fun one would be Newports if you had a race car that was like a Newport cigarettes livery. Have they done. Did they do any racing? Was there a Newport Motorsports?

[Zach]

Let me see.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, IndyCar. Yeah, here we go. 89 Newport IndyCar.

[Zach]

Gotten cigarette sponsors bro.

[Matt Farah]

Did it ever. Oh, look at that. Dude. Does it get any cooler? What's cool? Nothing cool. A Newport IndyCar. Dude, that looks great. I would do that. My race cars straight Newports, dude. I would have menthol injection.

[Zach]

That is very good nitro.

[Matt Farah]

Menthol injection.

[Zach]

Menthol injected. That's a great sticker to put on it. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Six speed masterclass. Have you seen the Rhine Motors cars that they just unveiled? It's a formula style street legal car being sold as a three wheeler to evade regulations and comes packaged with a four wheel convertible.

[Zach]

Comes with a fourth wheel.

[Matt Farah]

Oh my God, dude. Fourth wheel not included. That's crazy Instagram. It comes as a three wheeler and then you convert it yourself to four wheels. Wow.

[Zach]

One of their Instagram posts is literally just called how it's street legal dude. Oh, I don't want to read.

[Matt Farah]

That's gotta be an intent to defraud, doesn't it? I mean I don't like. I don't want to be a buzzkill if they're selling street legal race cars but I'm just wondering if you're selling this as a three wheel thing and that's the entire prem under which it's legal and you have a. Then sell a spare part to convert it along with it along with posting these. Is that not like an intent to defraud?

[Zach]

This is crazy for people listening. This looks exactly like a small F1 car. Exactly like side pods, front splitter, Halo. Halo. Everything about does. Wow. And the deposit's only $100 apparently. Of course it is according to the comp comments. But yeah, where do you.

[Matt Farah]

I mean this is.

[Zach]

So how does this arrive as a three wheel vehicle?

[Matt Farah]

No, didn't you see there was a. You were. You found a post that just said how is this legal? Go up, go back up.

[Zach]

No, it was on it. It wasn't. You got to read.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, you have to read it. Oh, it doesn't. Okay.

[Zach]

Four wheel conversion kit can be installed Anytime after delivery and is designed for the track to unlock the full formula car performance. It's technically not.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, this says we've worked with the DOT NHTSA fbm. Want to clearly explain how the conversion works on the street. Can be installed anytime after delivery. Is designed for the track to unload unlock full conformal part car performance. It's an aftermarket part and is not FMVSS compliant. But you can renew registration without issue even in inspection stage. You must inform your insurer of the aftermarket conversion policies need to be adjusted. Oh, in the case an extremely. Oh possible concerns. In the rare case an extremely knowledgeable officer wants to be difficult or follows this company on Instagram, you can receive a ticket for an illegal modification similar to an exhaust ticket ticket. This is uncommon. Usually a fix it ticket. Whereas proof of returning to the three wheel setup follows it.

[Zach]

Blah, blah, blah.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, look, that's wild.

[Zach]

I want to see a picture of the three. There we go. Okay. So three. Yeah, it's what you expect. Two front wheels, one in the back underneath the large, and I mean large wing. So you unbolt what looks like a motorcycle swing arm, I guess. And then you install a complete rear subframe.

[Matt Farah]

Wow.

[Zach]

With, I mean, you got drive axles, everything.

[Matt Farah]

So do you think this is crazy? So do you think it's a motorcycle engine? You think it's like a Hayabusa engine?

[Zach]

I don't know, 220 horsepower.

[Matt Farah]

220 horsepower. Probably Hayabusa or some jacked up motorcycle based engine, right?

[Zach]

Probably.

[Matt Farah]

And it's like a chain drive or something.

[Zach]

This is totally bananas.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, dude, imagine. I mean, look, have a good time.

[Zach]

You know, the inevitable discussion with a police officer. Here we go.

[Matt Farah]

Good luck. This is a very guilty until proven innocent kind of car. You know what I mean? Good luck being like, no, you're not a knowledgeable officer on this and this. Yeah, it's just an illegal modification.

[Zach]

Like bro, no blinkers. Oh, this is early prototype. Okay. But yeah, bike engine. Good luck. I mean, it's very cool. I think buying one for the track might be fun, but you could probably get other options out there. But I personally don't want to have that discussion with the police officer going, no, it's a three wheeler. They go, it isn't what it was, but I converted it and the thing like. Right, well then go back to start. Do not pass go.

[Matt Farah]

All right, all right. Funky though, I mean, you know, cool. I like the world of weird shit. And I'd have a go. Where the fuck. Where do you Think it's built? I don't know. Where are you built? Are you built in Austin, Texas? Of course you are. Is. Listen, there isn't a worse place in America to drive something like this on the street. Austin. Austin's roads are heinously bad. They suck. If you're gonna have. Is that the founder?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's a good photo.

[Zach]

So idea conceived in 2023, huh? Original design? Yeah. All right. So they have the first prototype in August of 2025. So it might be. I'm speculating maybe it'll be quicker. I'm betting it'll be a little bit before they build production ones. Yeah, you can do pre orders now. But anyway, wild good times.

[Matt Farah]

Wild good times.

[Zach]

Good luck.

[Matt Farah]

We can. Ali. Zach can message Ali about that. Nissan Gluteus Maximas. Will we ever get away from horsepower being the standard metric of performance that most people care about, even though torque is arguably more important? Or is torque doomed forever by poor education and marketing? I think they're both important, but I think horsepower sounds cooler than torque. And I think once people. People understand a system or what something means a scale, it's like trying to convert Americans to the metric system. Metric measurements just make way more sense than our stupid measurements. But they tried to convert it. It doesn't work. So if we're going to get away from horsepower, eventually, it's going to be kilowatts, not torque. But fucking. We're going to need a whole multiple generations of people on kilowatts rather than horsepower to actually get to something like that. But horsepower and torque both work hand in hand. I mean, I've driven plenty of diesels. Like, torque is important, but like. Like, if you have a lot of torque and no horsepower, you don't have a fast vehicle.

[Zach]

And horsepower has been the de facto marketing term or term for 70 years. You try to unwind that, it's just not going to work.

[Matt Farah]

Two guys in the back of Alexis, Texas. I always knew about Stellantis vehicles showing ads in the center screen, but recently saw it happen in person and was shocked. What can people do to protest this?

[Zach]

I looked up. You cannot opt out of those ads.

[Matt Farah]

Really?

[Zach]

So people on Reddit and stuff are talking about you have to disable the modem or something to maybe get it to stop. And it's ads for like, warranty service and things, but you just can't disable it.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah, Marketing notification, I thought. I mean, that is bad, but I thought it was like, ads for, like, you know, deodorant stuff. I Thought it was like, there's a target a half a mile up on the right. You should stop. You know, that kind of stuff. Like surveillance capitalism type of ads. This is bad, but like, not as bad as I was picturing in my head. Still very bad. We get stuff like this on the Tycon, but we've disabled all notifications so it actually doesn't show up. Hopefully nothing important shows up.

[Zach]

Yeah, exactly.

[Matt Farah]

Which by the way, Zach, we have to make the year. Update on the Taycan.

[Zach]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

It's gonna be a pretty boring video. Nothing's actually happened. It does work.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

USDM thoughts on financing a project car Hard fucking.

[Zach]

No, don't do it.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Just.

[Zach]

Just save until you can buy this stuff in cash. Yeah, I get it. You're excited about the project and you want to get these parts and you want to kind of get the thing going. But like, I don't know what kind of loan you would get. You get a different kind of loan, whatever. There's all different sorts out there. But even just, you know, using credit cards, like overextending yourself, I just think is always. And then if the project doesn't go according to your imagined schedule and they never do, I would find it double frustrating. Like not only now am I behind schedule on this thing or the car doesn't work, I couldn't drive it at the event I wanted to, or the part I bought didn't fit. I am also overextended on this thing and that's like payments or that like.

[Matt Farah]

Imagine, imagine your car's like in pieces and you're making payments. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Zach]

And then if something bad, if you lose your job, if you have a family emergency of some kind, now you are underwater on a project car and talk about something that will be hard to sell and you will get back pennies on the dollar. So don't do it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. Tickle your pickle for a triple nickel. Have either of you driven in southern Ohio area? How do those roads compare to other well known driving areas? Would that be a possible road and track trip location? We. I tried to do West Virginia, which is probably the best roads that nobody ever talks about. There's like nowhere to fucking stay. Like there's just. Yeah, there's nice roads, but like there wasn't anything else. I don't know what's in southern Ohio, to be honest. Where's is Mid Ohio? The racetrack? Is that in southern Ohio? I think that's near Columbus.

[Zach]

Is it in the middle. I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

Know.

[Zach]

I mean, I mean, I'm not trying to be a dick, but I'm also.

[Matt Farah]

Like, this is a real question. It's probably in the middle. No, it's more towards the north. Like, you're right. Okay. It is more towards the north than it is towards the south. But the area between south of Columbus and like West Virginia, like, that area, like, is awesome driving roads, but there's nothing else there. Unfortunately.

[Zach]

Mid Ohio is in the middle from left to right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but there's like nothing up there either. Like, I don't. Yeah, it's not. I mean, it's not an area that's known for its glamorous.

[Zach]

Well, I mean, you said before, like the components for the road and track thing are not just good roads. You also need a track. You also need hotels. You also need like restaurants. Restaurants like some other shit do.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And. And you know, there might be like city centers in West Virginia where that stuff exists, but you guys are covering a lot of ground that needs to exist out and about.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So scouting next week I get to try like eight coffee shops. Wow. Carl's Matzo Ball Soup pick between a BMW X540 and a Lexus GX550 daily driver with six one hour commutes each way a month.

[Zach]

I didn't know Cash Patel was a pack patron. You're gonna switch the fleet to BMW?

[Matt Farah]

They are.

[Zach]

They're talking about it. Yeah. For. I think it's for like FBI executives or whatever it's called. Like they want to use X5s instead of suburbans, I think.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. But I mean, the Lexus GX is a truck. Truck, like body on frame truck drives like a truck. And so for me, that's not what I would want to commute in or really drive around every day. Like, it just feels very trucky. It's supposed to. That's like its thing. The X5 is like a big car. So that's kind of like, you know.

[Zach]

I would go with that. With the fort. With the. Yeah, the 40. It's quick enough. Smooth. Yeah. It's a nice car to drive. Nice to sit in. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

M3ma. Have you ever encountered a car whose ECU forces you to follow break in procedures from new. Have you. The Corvettes encountered is different than like bought, Right. Like press cards.

[Zach]

Mm.

[Matt Farah]

Like Corvettes have a rev. Have an actual hard rev limiter for like a thousand miles.

[Zach]

I think that's good.

[Matt Farah]

I think your M3, the E46 M3s.

[Zach]

Might have maybe when I cold. When I started cold. Like it's got. Yeah, the TAC adjusts its low whatever yellow red rev limit.

[Matt Farah]

I think the only one I've actually seen that has a forced break in is Corvette. I haven't seen any other ones. Oh, and he said no. And also he says I said I saved 95% of what I make. That's not accurate. I don't save 95% of what I make. What I said was if I get a big fucking, if I get a big paycheck, whether that's my end of the year profits from the company or I sell a car or whatever. However, I give 95% of that to my investment people and then I treat myself with getting something nice. 5% just so I am happy about I didn't just make a whole bunch of money and move some numbers from one place to the other and I did well at something and I have nothing to show for it. So I don't save 95% of what I make. That would be fucking amazing. But I don't know. I have my. Not that it matters but my salaries from my two companies pretty much pay for my life and then the profits from those companies go in the investment to the investment people. But I pull bits of that out and I buy stupid things like watches and cars. Uli Kunkel's Autobahn Thoughts on the Nissan Z Nismo facelift and are they missing by not offering a T top T tops could be fun. I agree. A T top could be fun. The facelift I thought looked nice. It was clean. I've only seen photos of it. I haven't seen it in person yet but I think it's a smooth look. This front three quarter shot that they've got of it is certainly a good angle.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's a good looking car. I think this bar across the middle that's new, right? Or just as a big rectangle. That helps.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And, and I mean the Nismo is going to be a manual or it's going to have a manual at least. So I am, I am definitely excited about that because that was, that was real good. Almost perfect. But for what else we got just a couple left. Ocean Parkway, Blunt Rider. I can relate. I can definitely relate.

[Zach]

I'm pretty sure that name was made for you.

[Matt Farah]

I can relate to question about the road and track trips. I'd love to go on one but I drive a Mazda 3. It's a 2.5 with a manual. But will I just hold the group up and be useless on the track day stuff. I mean, look, I would just say this. Yes, probably. And it's not that we wouldn't welcome you as a human and like, you don't. There is no minimum of a car. Some people have brought me off before. Someone came in a GTI once, someone came in an 86 once. But also a lot of people rent cars. And so if you don't, if you want to come on one of these trips and you don't have a car, rent a Corvette or rent a Mustang. Like, it's an expense, but they're not prohibited. There's so many of them out there. Like, they're not prohibitively expensive. Expensive. Like, I don't know what it costs to rent a Corvette for a week, but it would probably add to the cost of the trip by like 10 or 15%. You know, it wouldn't be. And you can get them from like Enterprise and whatever. I would just do that. Rather than come on one of these trips in a car that's not really.

[Zach]

Appropriate for it, especially because it's not a cheap trip. I feel like for a little more money than you're paying to go on the trip, you could make it a really special thing. So it's not like not just holding the group back. Like, you won't have as much fun driving your everyday kind of slow hatchback as you would if you rented a special thing to do this special trip.

[Matt Farah]

I agree with you totally. Travis Pastrabi on Rye Country Day School. That's pretty impressive. The town that I went to school in, I went to Rye Country Day School. And for the first, like, month when I moved there, I couldn't stop thinking about it being named like bread because I was a little fat kid and town is named like bread. And then I never thought about, I never put the two together again after that. How prevalent would you say is the dependency upon electronic driving aids like ESC among faster enthusiast canyon drivers? And is this a form of, quote, cheating or worse yet, a dangerous practice? I'm trying to make sense of these sometimes ludicrous speeds I see pedestrian cars doing in the canyons in addition to videos in my IG feed of people over driving their cars. Am I missing something by trying to limit ESC intervention on my canyon drives? No. You're seeing videos of people driving like assholes. And people are going to do that now, whether there's ESC or not. People are going to drive like assholes. I don't think that's that people drive like dicks because the cars have esc, but like, it does allow them to do things that you probably shouldn't be doing. And it does make you not have crashes you might have had. I mean, certainly if you apply throttle in certain ways, ESC will very, very much save you from doing something dumb. Yeah, but like your last sentence. Am I missing something by trying to limit ESC intervention on my canyon drives? Like, let me just say that I am not the arbiter of speed in the canyons by any means. If faster cars come up behind me and I will move over to let them by and whatever. Like, I would hope someone would do the same for me. But like, as long as you're not being a shitbag and crossing the double yellows, then, you know, go whatever speed you're comfortable going, going for real. But, like, if you're getting into like, ABS and traction control, like, you're going too fucking fast. It's a public road. Like, it's not in my. I don't know. Again, I'm not the arbiter of all things, but like, my morality versus the legality, like the legality of the speed limit. I'm willing to risk that. You catch me, you catch me. I'll see you in court. But, like, that's the law. Okay, fine. But the morality, when people ask me about like turning off trash control on the street and shit like that, I'm like, most of the, like, I'm just like, you need to go that fast. Like, you know, is that it's really get. Because, like, you can go so fast down a public road and just not be using the kind of throttle inputs that would elicit traction, stability control and not be braking so late into that corner. Why are you ABS braking into a corner on the street?

[Zach]

Especially with modern traction control being as good and nuanced as it is, if it's interrupting, it usually means you're doing something incorrect. Especially if you have sticky tires and all that stuff. You shouldn't be nudging that. And if you are, it's because, like you said, your inputs are wrong. Your speed is too high going into the corner. Corner. So I see it. I think Baruth put this in an article years ago, but it was like, look at it like, you know, kind of a black flag or yellow flag of your driving. Like, what are you doing wrong that is causing the car and the computer to save you from yourself.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So I think I. They say that they're trying to limit ESC intervention on their drive. Like, if you're doing that by driving correctly and Smoothly. I think that's a great thing to do. I think if you're, if you're seeing those lights come on all the time, time. Or someone else is seeing the lights come on all the time, then they are driving poorly.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Harlequin E63AMG says FSD is going subscription only starting in mid February. And there's an interesting tidbit. Only 12% of current Teslas on the road have FSD. That's not surprising. I mean, I imagine like very few people are taking it new because it's not good and it's expensive and they know that you really should only be using it on the highways. And that's autopilot and that's free. Did you see that California did beat Tesla in court? The California dmv. And so I think there's an appeal. I'm sure there's some kind of other appeals they're gonna do, but a California judge found that, that the names autopilot and full self driving are misleading and Tesla has to either rename them or stop selling cars in California. Wow, they're obviously going to appeal. Did you find the story?

[Zach]

I think yeah, it was from like.

[Matt Farah]

Five or six days ago.

[Zach]

Oh, this one's from like three weeks ago.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I don't know. Let's see.

[Zach]

Is that.

[Matt Farah]

California, right? Regular? No, this may have been. Oh, no.

[Zach]

California judge rules that Tesla misled customers. That one, yeah. Is that, that's from December 16th.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I guess, I guess it was a month ago.

[Zach]

Huh.

[Matt Farah]

And this is from December 17th.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So the DMZ, the DMV says the state 90 day stay is to give time to remedy them, right? Yeah. So the DMV ordered the sales suspension.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

But then they said they have 90 days to either rename the system or stop selling cars. I guess so they then I believe appealed. But it's nice that like, oh, what's that, 10 years, 10 years later.

[Zach]

They get around to it.

[Matt Farah]

Eventually California will do the right thing once they've tried everything else. All right, what do we have left? Oil leak, Olympics. Last one. I've noticed there's a ton of Fisker Oceans being used as Ubers in New York City. On the one hand this makes sense because drivers likely got them for cheap. On the other, it seems risky to use one for your job. I think this is a fleet company that has them and drivers come pick them up and use them. I think there's a couple companies that bought a whole bunch of them and you as a car list person who wants to Drive rideshare. Can you rent them by the day or by the week or something? Pretty sure. And then they're servicing them.

[Zach]

Yeah. There's a company called American Lease that is managing some of the existing fleet. Individual owners bought some and some other companies too.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I read a story from a couple weeks ago about a company in New York that had like a bunch of them that was using them for Uber from Autopian 1.

[Zach]

One of every five Fisker Oceans sold in America is now being used as a taxi in New York City. That's wild.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy.

[Zach]

Yeah. American Lease bought basically all of the inventory. What a bold thing. Company's like, we can make them work.

[Matt Farah]

We'll buy all of them for like five grand each. You know what I mean? And then, by the way, we'll hire all your techs. You know, we'll hire giving your. Give us your 10 best techs to open a service depot in Hell's Kitchen.

[Zach]

They bought them for 14 grand each.

[Matt Farah]

Really? Yeah.

[Zach]

It'd be really cool to know how the techs were able to fix what Fisker couldn't, because I guess they went, look, the hardware is fine. It's got a battery that holds power. It's got motors and the steering and the brakes work. The rest of it, who cares? So maybe it's just the simplest RC car now and all the other features are just off. I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

Know. That's crazy.

[Zach]

Oh. American Lease contracted Indigo, a Massachusetts based startup, to manage the software. Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, cool.

[Zach]

Got to work, man. What a weird thing, though.

[Matt Farah]

Life finds a way.

[Zach]

Life finds a way.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, man, that's fun. Thank you, guys. Good show today. We'll have another one this week before I go go do a thousand miles in a electric lucid gravita gravitate. I bet the gravity has real comfortable seats. But it's got good seats.

[Zach]

I bet it's gonna be very nice to cruise.

[Matt Farah]

Nice to cruise in 300 miles at 90 miles an hour. That's how lucid rolls.

[Zach]

I think you can drift it also, because really, Jack from Savage Geese had some pretty sick pictures up of their truck test.

[Matt Farah]

Really? Huh. I will have to dorifto this thing. We will find somewhere. Gravity finds a way. Thanks, everybody. Talk to you next time. Bye.