Crew, RUF Rodeo, and Parker's HUGE Win

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast — "Crew, RUF Rodeo, and Parker's HUGE Win"

Hosts: Matt Farah & Zack Klapman
Date: August 26, 2025

Episode Overview

Matt and Zack are back in the studio, bringing listeners a blend of car culture, industry news, and irreverent banter. The central theme: their hands-on review of the RUF Rodeo—RUF’s outlandish, carbon-tub, off-road, million-dollar “safari” 911. They also dish on NASCAR driver Parker Kligerman’s bizarre "non-win," updates on Matt’s Myers Manx, Pebble Beach Car Week stories, and community Q&A ranging from practical car advice to speculation on car features we wish crossed oceans.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Car Week & Pebble Beach Stories (00:00–16:30)

• Shirt Banter & Car T-Shirts Gone Wrong (00:00–04:00)
  Matt and Zack riff on a car-themed T-shirt with questionable design choices—backwards windshields and misinterpreted car art, poking fun at T-shirt graphics and obscure hot rod history.

• Social Awkwardness at Pebble Beach (03:45–05:30)
  Memorable encounters with auto icons:

  "If Chip Foose, who did not recognize me at Pebble Beach, calls me and says, actually I’ve done a backwards bodied ’32, then okay…" — Matt (03:36)

• Adventures in Monterey: Lodging Drama & RV Campsites (05:51–08:36)
  Observation on crazy car week lodging prices, last-minute Airbnb strategies, and friends camping out in luxury RV setups at Laguna Seca — "You wake up to the sounds of race cars."

2. Car Reviews & Driving Experiences

A. RUF Rodeo In-Depth Review (36:06–49:45)

• Initial Impressions

  • Car looks "cartoony" and "whimsical," with “exaggerated proportions” that set it apart from typical 911s.
  • Rear fenders are comically wide; bumpers have a unique, non-motorsport aesthetic.

• Chassis, Powertrain, and Dynamics

  • Carbon tub, sub-3,000 lbs wet weight (claimed).
  • Metzger-based 3.6L twin-turbo (610 hp), torque-adjustable AWD system (manually selectable).
  • Phenomenal suspension compliance—“makes big swales in the road disappear.”
  • “Trophy truck”/rally-like body movement and weight transfer.
  • “It can make big swales in the road, like, completely disappear, which is really fun. But the weight transfer movements are very accentuated, which is also very fun.” — Matt (40:21)

• Drivability & Fun Factor

  • Gobs of torque result in traction control lighting up in 1st and 2nd gears.
  • “It brings all of that joy to more accessible, level speeds… it's so easy to drive with 2 degrees of oversteer everywhere.”
  • Four-wheel slides are “no problem, all gravy. It really has a fabulous front, rear, left, right balance.” (41:42)

• Interior & Comfort

  • Ralph Lauren-inspired, western-themed interior:

    “The dash construction and stitching… it’s the best I’ve ever seen.” — Zack (45:09)

  • Only real criticism: steering wheel doesn’t adjust as much as desired; AC could use improvement (54:23).
  • Cargo space compromised by inboard suspension, but “there are roof rails!”

• Who Is It For?

  • Niche market; hosts wonder if enough ultra- wealthy buyers exist who are willing to get such a car dirty.
  • Advice: “Don’t do this as an investment… do this one as a cash burn.” (49:27)
  • Comparison with other safari 911 builders (Singer, T.J. Russell) and Baja pre-runners.

B. Myers Manx Update (26:42–36:06)

• Fault traced to a Lucas-sourced front left blinker—"shitty electronics" trope.
• Manx crew rewiring the fuse panel to avoid future failures.
• Various ergonomic and usability tweaks underway (throttle, shifter, brake pedal feel, top flapping solved with ‘battens’).
• Matt: “He called me and said it’s a radiologist issue. We should get him a T-shirt. Merch game going.”

3. Parker Kligerman’s Hilarious Daytona “Non-Win” (22:25–25:12)

• Parker entered Daytona as a relief driver for Connor Zillich, who injured his collarbone.
• Parker wins the race… but rules dictate points and official victory go to the original driver (Zillich), not the substitute.

  “The rule seems to be that no matter how Parker wins, he cannot win. But I hope this gets the attention of the big teams… Shout out Parker for finally winning even though you won’t get the credit.” — Zack (24:40)

• Call for Parker to make "won but didn't win" merch.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

- On the RUF Rodeo:

• “It looks… whimsical. Like a toy. Exaggerated proportions.”
  — Matt (37:01)

• “It highlights how great that [carbon fiber tub] is and, man… this thing really has some fun, dynamic habits, doesn’t it?”
  — Matt (40:11)

• “So easy to drive with two degrees of oversteer everywhere… Just really good.”
  — Matt (42:22)

• “You have to be real rich and real brave… But you can find an empty gravel lot and have an insane amount of fun with this car safely.”
  — Matt (48:41)

• "[The carbon tub and the brand name] do… come with both."
  — Matt (46:49)

- On Parker’s "Win":

• “The rule seems to be that no matter how Parker wins, he cannot win. But I hope that this gets the attention of the big teams.”
  — Zack (24:40)
• “Parker wins with an asterisk.”
  — Zack (36:39)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Car Week Stories (Lodging, RV Campsites): 05:51–08:36
• RUF Rodeo Review: 36:06–49:45
• Myers Manx Update: 26:42–36:06
• Parker Kligerman’s Weird Daytona Win: 22:25–25:12
• Discussion: Modern Supercars as Gen Z poster cars: 77:32–78:04
• Audience Q&A (Car advice, industry quirkiness): 56:24–end

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Listener Questions & Community Banter

• Car Week Spotting & Short Car Ownership Stories
  Both hosts recount the rarest cars seen “in traffic” at Monterey and the shortest time they kept a “keeper car” (Matt’s Hummer H1: 3 months).

• “Ugliest 911” Debate
  "It's really just the headlights [on the 996] more so than anything else." (60:01)
  Consensus: most 911s are fundamentally similar, but 996's headlights put it lowest.

• Practical Car Mod Advice
  On making a boring car interesting: “Nearly anything can be made cool by lowering and adding tasteful wheels.” (64:26)

• Enthusiast Driving Courses for Teens:
  Both give a strong “go for it!” on sending new drivers to programs like Dirtfish.

• Random Favorites:
  Favorite WRX STI? Zack: “Hawkeye all day.” Matt: “22B all day. Two-door, non-US version for me.”

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Standout Moments & Inside Jokes

• The recurring joke about misnamed, backwards, or AI-generated car T-shirt art.
• Inside baseball about car week Airbnb roulette and RV “glamping” at races.
• Matt’s friend Mike gets the “California tour”: motorcycles, mountain roads, pluots, and farmers markets.
• Shared skepticism over solar panel claims for EV trucks:

  “When we do this math, it does come across like a gimmick… Maybe it runs the electronics inside, but it just seems whimsical.” — Zack (85:40)

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Final Thoughts & Tone

The show maintains its blend of insider automotive expertise, sarcastic wit, and genuine enthusiasm—for the machines, the culture, and the weirdness surrounding both. The deep-dive on the RUF Rodeo is the episode’s technical and emotional core, balanced by personal anecdotes and a lively, non-pretentious Q&A with listeners.

For longtime fans or new listeners: this sums up a classic, info-dense, and entertainment-filled Smoking Tire episode, with plenty to satisfy car nerds and casual fans alike.

Transcript

[A]

What up everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Matt Farah here and today's episode is as always, brought to you by off the Record. Listen, if you get pulled over, if you get ticketed for a moving violation, it is your right to fight that and you should. But you should get help use off the record. Right? Don't plead guilty, get off the record. Go to offtherecord.com TST off the record. We'll connect you with a qualified attorney in the jurisdiction where you got that ticket. And they fight that ticket and they have a very, very high success rate of keeping those points off your record. That helps your insurance rates, possibly your employment status, what else, who knows. But you don't want points on your record. That's why you get off the record. Go to offtherecord.com TST that's offtherecord.com Tst to get 10% off all legal services booked through off the Record. Do it now and on with the show. All right. On today's episode of the Smoking Tire podcast, Zach and I are in studio and man, we have just driven the RUF Rodeo. Ruf's million dollar plus safari car. And it is crazy. Plus I have an update to my Myers Manx and our friend NASCAR driver Parker Kligerman had one of the funniest non wins in in racing history. Let's talk about all that and more on the Smoking Tire Podcast. Like this is the shirt you're wearing of a real business? No, it doesn't seem it. I don't think seems like the kind of thing I would make up if I wanted to make up a fake business.

[B]

No idea where I got this shirt.

[A]

Also we need to have some discussions about what exactly the car is supposed to be on there. Think it's a deuce. But it's, it's. But where. What is happening on what looks to be the rear bulkhead? Yeah. Is that a windshield mounted on the.

[B]

It looks like the windshield's on the back.

[A]

The windshield's on the back of the car.

[B]

It looks like a 32 Ford with no hood or fender.

[A]

And then, and then the windshield is mounted backwards on the back. Almost like the person thought it was like some kind of mid engined auto union thing or it was designed by AI or you have a chat GPT shirt.

[B]

This shirt's way older than chat gpc. But yeah, it does look like.

[A]

I never know noticed that's like.

[B]

Is this like the state of. What state is it?

[A]

It's Ohio.

[B]

Is it Ohio?

[A]

Yeah, it's Ohio oh, this is probably.

[B]

From that car that drove across the country backwards. So they had the windshield on the back. What is this? Speed Sports.

[A]

Jerry J. Jay's Automotive Speed Sports Service.

[B]

Oh, Jegs.

[A]

Oh, Jegs.

[B]

So it's a Jegs shirt.

[A]

Oh, Jegs.

[B]

You put the windshield in the wrong part.

[A]

What.

[B]

What is.

[A]

The art department at Jegs has a real problem with that. Yeah, that's really, really strange looking. Unless like we're gonna get some angry email. And that's actually like obscure backwards mid engine 32 Ford project. That's actually a real thing. And they decided to put on a T shirt. And they regret it now because everyone calls in and says it's fucked up. And they're like, no, no. They have to prove it's actually like a real car.

[B]

Maybe it's the roll bar and this is like a link.

[A]

I think the windshield's the wrong way, dude. Because the thing that looks like it's where the windshield would be looks like it could be a top right here. Yeah, it looks like a convertible top. Yeah. Unless. I mean, look. Unless if. If Chip Foose, who did not recognize me at pebble beach, calls me and says, actually I've done a backwards bodied 32. Then go, okay.

[B]

You think he drew the shirt or he built a car and they drew the shirt? I don't know.

[A]

I don't know. But he gave me a real nice to see you, buddy at pebble beach did not recognize me. That's okay though. He had a lot happening.

[B]

Happens.

[A]

It does, it does. And I have a different facial hair and I was wearing a big yellow hat. So could be different. No context. We were in the studio, maybe he'd recognize me.

[B]

I get it. It does sting a tiny bit.

[A]

It happens. Burn.

[B]

I was like, hey, brotman. And he was like, huh?

[A]

Oh, shit.

[B]

Just.

[A]

Did I tell you about the most dude I've. I felt really weird about this one. I go at the concourse. You know who I saw was Nick Shorsh from the Audrain.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Who we love.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Boss of all bosses in Newport, Rhode. Is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he had multiple pebble beach entries. And you probably saw that story about the guy who drove his Bugatti cross country. Like all. He drove like a Bugatti type 57 across country to the concourse. Like, pretty fucking boss move. Like. Well, my rant on the last show, like, that's the kind of shit I'm talking about. Like, you know, like, that's good shit right there. So that was actually an Audrey project as well. Or at least the audrain, like, media team ran chase and made the video. Yeah, the car's awesome. I kind of wish they cleaned it for the concourse. And I know why, but I kind of wish they didn't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, if it was the quail, they would have left it dirty.

[B]

Yeah. You know, I get it.

[A]

Yeah. But. But the guy did drive across the country pretty fucking sick, and it did work. But anyway, I saw Nick Short, and he was talking to somebody, and I sort of. I didn't interrupt the conversation, but I sort of, like, was like, yeah. And he looked over and, like, finished his. All right, talk to you later, man. And then came talk to me. Who was he talking to? Zach Brown. I was like, oh, sorry, man. He's like, I'll see him later.

[B]

It's like, I'm gonna buy 10% of McLaren.

[A]

They were both. No, they were showing their Formula One cars right next to each other. It was the.

[B]

It was the, I guess, vintage races.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He was like.

[A]

He knew that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We didn't go to the track this year. At all.

[B]

No. I also heard tickets have been. Got expensive. They used to be super cheap.

[A]

Yeah. For a long time. Although one of my, like, shout out to. Shout out to Chris, my Sacramento friend watch guy, Chris, who his this year. I hope I don't blow up the spot and make it triple the price for next year somehow. He and his Buddies got multiple RVs and set up a big campsite at Laguna Seca. Sort of, like, full service.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Like, had the RVs delivered there. He didn't even drive them there.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. And he drove. Well, he drove in with his, like, cool car.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. They delivered the RVs to the campsite, hooked up the shore power and the shore water and whatever. And he was arriving, arriving camp, and he said it was pretty sweet. He said it was cool.

[B]

Yeah, it's gorgeous in the morning there. It's beautiful.

[A]

Yeah. And he said, you wake up to the sounds of race cars.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I bet it's less than a hotel. I talked to Spinelli yesterday. I haven't talked to him. Really? Yeah. He's now looking for work, unfortunately.

[A]

Somebody hire Spinelli.

[B]

He might come visit in October. But he said he almost made a snap decision to go to Monterey Car Week, like, two weeks beforehand and to.

[A]

Try to find a job?

[B]

No, just to do it. He's like, well, I have nothing else to do but the. The cheap. The air quotes. The Motel 6 in Salinas, which is 30 minutes away from Monterey, is not a nice hotel. I have stayed there before, was $900 a night. So that's why you would get an RV, because I bet it's less expensive.

[A]

I. Yeah, yeah, I bet he probably would have got a better. I mean, I'm sure he looked. He's a very smart guy. But the last minute Airbnb VRBO deals seem to be better than the last minute hotel deals. Hotels are okay. You know, hotels got a hundred rooms, right? They're okay if a couple aren't rented, you know, at 900 bucks a night or whatever. They're not like, let's discount these, you know. But if you've got one house and it's not rented for car week, you're, you know, let's get this thing moving. Remember the house Ali got last year?

[B]

Yes. Which was why stay there is insane.

[A]

No offense to our VRBO host, who was lovely and the house was lovely, but that house was fucking nuts. The two houses were the same price, but Ali got it like four days before car week.

[B]

Oh, really? I thought he booked it like a year ahead.

[A]

No, no, he got it. He got it way last minute. And I was like, I don't have the stones for that. I can't, I can't. I can't swing that. Not. I'm not going to be five days before with no plan. Can't do it. Wow. Can't do it.

[B]

Wild pricing. Yeah. So it's the opposite of surge pricing. It's discount to get. Move this.

[A]

That's. It's. It's. It's cap. It's plural. It's pure.

[B]

Pure capitalism.

[A]

I was watching American Gangster last night. You know, there's always the scene in the Coke movie where the chemist is, like, amazed. Of course, his Puro normally is 45%. This is poor.

[B]

Yeah, my favorite.

[A]

And then they ask to take the extra with him. Yeah.

[B]

What? He's like watching it cook. And he's like 80%. And it's Bobcat just getting more unhinged. And then he sniffs it. He's like, I can't feel my face. I think I made it to the trailer. That's a good moment for Bobcat.

[A]

Yeah. Highlight of the 2000s for Bobcat. Anyway, it's been a lovely morning around here. Some funny weather. I went motorcycling with my friend Mike, who's in town. I'm really trying to show him some LA goodness. And, boy, is he getting the tour. He came out with us yesterday to film the roof rodeo, which on the way home, he was like, he, you know, because he was like in the car with me and we're doing the chase and stuff. And he was like, this is. This is really something else, man. This is your job. This is. And then, you know, this morning we go rode up to Newcomes on. On motorcycles. I was on a new really cool motorcycle, which I'll talk about in detail next week. The BMW. Stupid fucking name. BMW R12. The letter R, the number 12, the word 9 and the letter T. It's like you can't help but go back to Clarkson in 2010. It's named after a fax machine, the R12.9T. Which is a beautiful motorcycle. I mean, a really gorgeous motorcycle. And there were a bunch of bikes out today and a lot of people giving me compliments on it. And while review the bike I don't have, I didn't take post pictures of it yet, but dude, we got to the top of Angela's Crest and we're going up and I'm. I'm smelling something. I'm like, is that coolant? What am I? Something overheating? Like, what am I smelling? And then the road is wet. And I realized. I realized I had forgotten the smell.

[B]

Of rain and the smell of rain.

[A]

The smell of water. The smell of water and rain. I. I was like, I literally had forgotten. And it took me about 20 seconds. Be like, that's rain. And all of a sudden and I get to Newcomb's and the ground's all wet. I'm like. And there's a bunch of people up. There's a bunch of Porsches. There's a Corvette club. I mean, it's a popular pop. And Saturday up there, a bunch of bikes. There's apparently some kind of support van for some bikes. There's like, there must be some like, local group of guys who like to go riding on Saturday. And one of them has a van and they just like hire someone to do the support van. And they had like catering and shit in there. It was pretty sick. It's pretty slick. Wow. Yeah, I'm kind of into it.

[B]

So they wait, they rode to Newcomes with a van full of food and then.

[A]

Yeah. And then hung out and like ate and chilled.

[B]

Did they eat at Newcomes or they eat in their van?

[A]

No, the van was like a sprinter van that they like took a bunch of like, food out of and also had like, you know, bunch of cold waters and like towels and stuff. Like, it was guys in like full leather.

[B]

Right. It's like bringing the thermal experience.

[A]

Yeah, they brought like. Yeah, they brought like a staff.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Dude, our fucking Sergio talked about doing that, like, two weeks ago. He invited us, remember? Yeah, but like, But. But it's all wet. And I was like, what's going on, guys? They're like, yo, it straight up just rained here for like, for like 15 minutes. And, like, guys listening. It is. It is August. It is California.

[B]

It was 90 degrees in the valley yesterday.

[A]

Yeah, it doesn't rain here now, so, like, that's interesting. So, yeah, the very top was wet, so fun times. But otherwise, what a spectacular day of motorcycle.

[B]

Were the 12 o' clock boys up at Newcomb?

[A]

No, no, dude, seriously. Today it felt like it was pretty much all class. I have to say, up there, it was all class. The bike, like, the bikes were like high end bikes and like older riders, you know, like, they're like fucking corporate guys on their day off kind of riders. And then like, there was like an all Cayman GT4 club and like an all Corvette club, and all the Corvettes were like stock.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

It was very interesting.

[B]

To clarify for people listening, the 12 o' clock boys that I'm referring to at Newcomes. I was there once and there was, like, guys on Harley sportsters doing the most impressive wheelies and burnouts and stuff. Not the 12 o' clock boys from the documentary, which is 100% worth watching.

[A]

Where they're riding like. Yeah, quads.

[B]

Well, and dirt bikes.

[A]

And dirt bikes, yeah. Yeah. But different, same tricks, different, different riders. Yeah, Those guys with the Harleys, they got tired. They got bored of, like, the ninjas. And then like, let's see if we can do, like, fucking baggers and shit. Yeah, yeah. It's. That's real dangerous looking. It's a lot of mass coming at you on one wheel.

[B]

Had to be more vertical because of, like, the center of gravity versus the dirt bike or that sound. That's right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's really rad to watch, though. I'm a fan, you know.

[A]

Yeah. My boy Mike was like, it's from Long island, you know, and he was like my friends at home, like, will not believe that this is here. Like, he's never been to la and I'm trying to show him a good time, you know, and it's just. I took. We took him to the mountain, you know, and he likes to ride motorcycles and, like, he's never really ridden a windy road that could go for that long without having to stop for something, you know, without having like, you know.

[B]

New York, there's a lot of little townships right on the Twisty road.

[A]

Yeah. New York. In New York and Long island, like, the everyday roads are, like, windy and pretty and green. More so than here, where it's just shitty grids, but they don't have the big mountain that we have. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So, like, it was kind of. It was. He was like, real excited. He was very, very excited.

[B]

Is he ready to move? Is he shopping for.

[A]

Yeah. He was like, yeah. He was like, you're really selling this, you know? And I was like, look, this is why I came here. I' been inviting you for 16 years. You're. It's not your fault. You didn't. You could have come then.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

You were, you were there. I. I got here and day one, I was like, you got to see this. It's popping off. Gave him a pluot. His head practically exploded.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Yeah, it's real easy. You just show them the Cali basics. People are like, wait, what? This is the thing?

[B]

Yeah, Mountain and produce.

[A]

Mountain produce. He's like, wait, we can go to the farmers market tomorrow.

[B]

I was like, yeah.

[A]

Wait.

[B]

Every day?

[A]

Why do you see this?

[B]

There's a farmers market every day.

[A]

Yeah, we're gonna go to the. We're gonna. We're gonna go to the Malibu one tomorrow if you would like to join us. That's good.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

M. Farm market. That's good. The raw wall, the sprouted walnuts. That is so next level. It is. I never seen some like that before. Anyway, cars. Should we talk about. Oh, before even cars. The black pearl notice sold out in 45 minutes. So super thank yous to everyone who bought one of those. There were only 50, and about 11 of them were pre sold to people that had bought all four.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So, you know, so we released like, you know, 38 or 39 to the public and they were gone or not to the public. To the patrons. Everyone who bought one is a patron. So different Oyster bracelet. Looks a little different. Mine has the prototype bracelet. They keep telling me they're going to get me an oyster bracelet eventually, but. Yeah. Looks awesome.

[B]

Really cool face. It looks really good.

[A]

The dial. Dial, yeah, Sector dial. Two pieces of. Of Tahitian black pearl. Very nice. And I'm going to keep wearing this one with the. With the jubilee on it. But as soon as I see them, boys, because they. They've been using my watches for trade shows. They ask because I have all the colors. They didn't like, keep. Keep that.

[B]

They're display model.

[A]

They're moving, right? They're moving them. They didn't yeah. And so funny problem. So they were like, yo, can we borrow yours? So I gave him my, you know, all of them.

[B]

You know what, that's actually, I think the same move that hypercar makers and all that, you know, roof and other companies do. They're like, they bring a car to a show and then they go, well, this one actually sold and that one sold because we sold them before we built them. Yeah, you can't have this one. But this is what it looks like. That's.

[A]

I demand the prototype is usually the one that I keep. Like, they're not making multiple prototypes. They're like, they end up on one, like factory, like whatever, you know, done level, prototype. And I've kept all those, so they haven't made extras for themselves. I'm sure they'd rather have the money. They probably have a lot of watches.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So especially that's okay if you'll just.

[B]

Loan them yours for a little while.

[A]

Especially if I'm willing to loan them mine for trade shows. But it was actually last night I went to, we went to dinner, we went to parks and, and I was like, I'd like to wear the minty. And then I went, looked, looked in the case and was like, ah, damn.

[B]

I could have loaned you mine at two points.

[A]

Two points. Two points a day. It's, it's, it's a light.

[B]

It's got to be a one day rental. I'm not doing hourly, so. Deposit 24 hours, full deposit, hold. And actually like Sammy's camera, you're picking up on Friday. Bring it back Monday. Yeah, we're not open on the weekend.

[A]

We're closed for the Sabbath.

[B]

Yeah, speaking of cars, like, quick transition before we talk about actual cars.

[A]

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[B]

Our friend Parker Kligerman won his race at Daytona.

[A]

Hell yeah. Parker Kligerman, because he's a very fast driver. He just hasn't had the right car until today.

[B]

Kind of of true. He's had a lot of, lot of headwind, a lot of problems. The irony of this win is he was driving as a. I didn't know this existed. He was driving as a relief driver.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

For a. I forget the guy's name for a young driver, Connor Zillich, who had hurt himself.

[A]

Oh, okay. I've heard of Connor Zillich.

[B]

So Connor's like 19 years old and at lap 13 he had to pull into the pit and they had to swap. I think he broke his collarbone or something.

[A]

Wait, what? You can change drivers mid fucking race?

[B]

That was my question. I guess you can.

[A]

What?

[B]

It's a thing. And so Parker was the relief driver. Wait, it's about to get strange.

[A]

How often has that happened? I've never heard of that. I mean, I'm sure it happens a lot. I've just never actually heard of that happening. I don't cuz how often, how often would it happen if in the middle of the race, like it could certainly happen before the race. The guy's fucking guy can't make it. For whatever reason, the guy gets sick, blah, blah, blah. But like, like usually if a driver can't finish the race, something terrible's happened to the car, right? Okay, wait, you said it gets weirder.

[B]

What happens weirder because Parker won but he was driving for Connor. So Connor gets the points and therefore.

[A]

So Parker didn't win.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Oh my God. Wait, that's so funny.

[B]

It's really.

[A]

Oh, we get to. Now we get to laugh at him. That he wins and it doesn't count. Oh, that's so funny.

[B]

It's. It's such a bummer.

[A]

So why does dude, he need. All right, Parker, if you're out there, I know you're fucking listening because you got free time. Make merch capture this moment with merch. At least get paid. You could you. If there's a fucking meme about this that you can capture into a slogan on a T shirt, I think you could do it.

[B]

Oh, wow. I didn't really. So Zillich broke his collarbone in victory lane two weeks ago. Like, he won and fell down there. That's funny.

[A]

I'm sorry to laugh at that, but, like, that sucks.

[B]

So Parker hopped in.

[A]

Bet that shit's on video, too.

[B]

And then now look, I think this is sort of hilarious. And I'm in a text group with, you know, Parker and the guys we worked with on proving grounds. And we're like. The rule seems to be that no matter what how Parker wins, he cannot win. But I hope that this gets the attention of the big teams. He was driving for Dale Junior's team, who owns, I think, Connor's car. And so, you know, it's like he's a great driver and this proves that he's a great driver. And I'm just so excited for him. So shout out Parker for finally winning even though you won't get the credit.

[A]

That rules.

[B]

Isn't that weird?

[A]

Wow, that's so funny.

[B]

It's so funny.

[A]

Good. I mean, good for him. What place was he in when they was in? When they.

[B]

When they swapped?

[A]

Yeah, let's say from that point. Okay, wait. Caution on lap. Oh, lab. I mean, lap 13. Click on the Kligerman got behind the wheel link and see where that takes us. Doesn't bring a virus here.

[B]

All right, well, video.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

All right, well, for the long term treatment of chronic, first we have to learn.

[A]

Let's learn about what drugs to ask for, not what drugs. Okay, here. All right, here's the pit stop. Why does it say okay? Doesn't say.

[B]

It doesn't. We need to lower. We need.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

This is.

[A]

This is an incredibly dull YouTube video. This is just the pit stop. This. This YouTube video stinks.

[B]

Yeah, they're clean.

[A]

I can't believe they're.

[B]

Well, Parker waits.

[A]

Parker looks like bored, waiting to get in the car. It's like something terrible's happened in there.

[B]

Yeah, it does. They're cleaning a lot of stuff out. Yeah. But, well, if we had audio on, I guess it would tell us what place he was.

[A]

Yeah, right. All right. Well, either way, good drive, Parker. Sorry. No one will ever hear about it again.

[B]

He's gonna get a good ride from this.

[A]

I'm gonna get merch. He needs to get merch going. Think of get. Get your merch brain going.

[B]

Parker wins with an asterisk or something like that.

[A]

Yes, exactly. Okay, do. Okay. I have an update on Zemier's Manx. As predicted, the car was running again within about 20 minutes of it arriving at Manx. Jonathan Radial engine master down there called me and said it's a radiologist is a yes. We should get him a T shirt, get his merch game going. Traced it. Traced the problem to my front left blinker which was supplied by a company called. Want to take a guess?

[B]

Well, I know the answer. Oh, I don't want. You told me yesterday.

[A]

The answer is Lucas. To which I said, what the fuck?

[B]

For those who don't know, what is Lucas well known for? We're not talking about films.

[A]

Shitty electronics.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Now apparently this is not the same company they've just acquired the name from. What. From what we're talking about. But it was. There was a short in my left blinker and so. I don't know. I definitely used the left blinker a lot throughout the week. I drove the car. There was your problem that very last time I signaled left. That it? So. So they've. They're rewiring the fuse panel circuit panel so that. That can't possibly. If. If any of those things happen that it can't kill the car. A small. A small fault can't kill the whole car. Lessons. Yeah, these are lessons and they've also. I had a list of updates that I requested including windows. Windows. I want doors. I want windows. I want a radio. I want full climate control, airbags, side curtain, air roll cage, a refrigerator, a fish tank and.

[B]

Color printer.

[A]

Color printer. No, I'm retuning the throttle for a better thing. Tightening the shift collar a little bit. It's a little bit, you know, it's that adjustable collar and it's a little bit floppy left to right. So just a little tighter there just like. And see. I wanted to see if they can move the brake pedal, not move it, but like you have to. The brakes work great, but you have to press the pedal too hard too far to get an initial bite. I want a higher initial bite for better heel toeing. I have to really like work my foot weird. But if I can get a higher bite, it would be like ace. Just like Little bullshit like that.

[B]

Can they lengthen the windshield wiper arms?

[A]

I told him about the windshield wipers and he was like, it's not really meant to be driven in the rain, but it's like, no shit. No shit.

[B]

Lucas Automotive is one of the world's oldest continuously trading automotive brands going back to 1875. So I guess that's why a company would acquire it. So they can put that in their marketing.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

But their reputation, Lucas's reputation as a name.

[A]

It's not good.

[B]

Is so bad.

[A]

It's not good.

[B]

It was like it was basically blamed for all the electrical faults of every British car like the mid-1900s.

[A]

But like this, that light is probably like some kind of OE part from some other old fucking car from the 60s. And that's just like, you know what I mean? And this is now the new version of that old part for that old fo. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think it was the part, the fault of the light. I think it had a bad like crimp on it or something. Fixed, Cool.

[B]

It's fixed.

[A]

Oh, I also wanted them to add. Guys, we gotta take a break from the show because Mud Water is here. Listen, listen, here's the thing. Mud Water is a new thing, okay? Their OG blend, it's a mix of cacao chai, turmeric and adaptogenic mushrooms to help you feel focused without the crash. So this is my thing. I've had an issue with caffeine. It gives me panic attacks. I've been drinking decaf coffee. But I really kind of wish I could get a little more energy, a little more focused at work. And I'm not trying to do caffeinated coffee. So Mud Water, this could be the thing. It's great over ice. You just mix it with a little cold water or a little milk, you shake it up, pour it over ice and boom, you've got a refreshing feel good boost that helps you stay balanced. Every single ingredient in Mud water products are 100% certified organic, non GMO, gluten free, vegan and kosher. There's also no sugar or sweeteners added. All you do is drop the powder into your favorite mug, pour some water on it and give it a mix. Some go wild and add to cream, honey, CBD oil. And the best part about Mud Water is it provides sustained energy without the spikes and crash of traditional coffee. And there are caffeine free blends available, which is what I tried. Each ingredient in Mud Water serves a purpose. The OG blend contains Cacao and chai for a hint of caffeine and hot chocolate like flavor Lion's Mane for focus. Cordyceps to promote natural energy and both Chaga and Reishi to support a healthy immune system. The Matcha starter kit is a perfect way to step into clean energy. The Turmeric starter kit blends radiant ginger, turmeric and Rooibos chai. I actually really like Rooibos chai. That's a really good one. And the rest starter kit is for relaxing and unwinding at the end of the day. Mud water is available at Target and Sprouts, so it's never been easier to grab a cup of this friendly pick me up, head over to M u d w t r.comm u d and grab a starter kit today. And right now our listeners get an exclusive deal. Up to 43% off your entire order, plus free shipping and a free rechargeable frother when you use Code Tire. That's right up to 43% off with code TIRE. @mudwtr.com after you purchase, they'll ask how you found them. Show your support, let them know we sent you. Keep your energy natural and refreshing all year long with mud water because. Because life's too short for anything less than clean, delicious energy. And now back to the show. I also wanted them to add what are called battens across the top. Like, the top which is like a stretched canvas, it seems very tight when the car's sitting there, but when you drive like 60 miles an hour, the center bit, like, it doesn't have any structure and it, like, flaps a bit.

[B]

Oh, right. Because air's getting under there.

[A]

Yeah. And it's not, like, bothersome, but I could totally see it just stretching out and getting shitty, like, over time. So I want them to, like, add some, like, ridges basically. Either. Either they sew like a wire into it like a fucking bra or, you know, whatever it is, they've already got a couple in there, like, just more basically to keep. Make it do that less.

[B]

I mean, that's. You know, the Cobra has those, like, spikes all over the outside of the cockpit. You snap the tonneau cover into it, which holds it down. Now I understand why.

[A]

Well, there's. Yeah, there's only. I mean, there's only. There's the windshield and there's only other. The. The two points of contact to the back and then the roll hoops, which it's stretched over the two roll bars.

[B]

Yeah, the back makes sense. Yeah. But the front, that's an interesting Challenge, like getting the front leading edge to stay down, you know, without adding something. Because when you take it off, you want it to be like a nice.

[A]

Clean well, that's easy. The front leading edge hooks into the windshield.

[B]

Wait, I thought that's the part that's coming up.

[A]

Not. No, no, it's not coming up. It's like the windshield is affixed. That's not a problem. But then there's a metal bar above my head, and it's stretched over that. In between is like three feet of nothing here. Yeah, right in the middle. Over, like, the shifter is the biggest. Is the farthest from any structure. And so I need. I want like an X or some whatever to keep. To add structure to that middle bit.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

I'm sure the person who made this top could make that in 20 minutes.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Yeah. Like, if you. If it was a sail maker, you'd make it in five. Like, sails have this. Like, the main sails on the boats have like four or five. Like, maybe they're like a foot long and maybe two inches wide. And they're sewn into the sail to keep it from flapping on the edge that's away from the mast.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because there's no structure out there.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Yeah. So I want some of them so the shit don't flap.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, yeah, it's running again. It's totally fine. And actually I was like, all right, can I have it back for the weekend? And Jonathan was like, we're doing a photo shoot with it next week and then you can have back it for that. I was like, photo shoot. Like, what are we doing here? He's like, can someone come by your house and get the floor mats?

[B]

Do I need to sign a release for my car?

[A]

What the fuck? Paying retail over here, bro.

[B]

Again, it's that small. Manufacturer supercar. They're like, by the way, we're borrowing your car. And you know, they get. You know, it's like if they gave us the black roof rodeo.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. He's like, he's like, you got. You got stuff to drive? We do. We got cars coming in our eyeballs right now. Yeah, like the roof rodeo, which. Which it. We were in. I. In fairness, it was. It was a. Wasn't a bait and switch. It was a break and switch. It was last minute, the last minute switch. We were supposed to drive this roof SCR tribute, which is this crazy air cooled thing. And they were like, it's. It's not quite ready. Do you want to drive the rodeo? And at first I asked Zach, like, do we want to drive the rodeo? Because I didn't know if they would let us drive it appropriately.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then they were like, no, we're gonna be cool. And I was like, well, okay. And it. I. Boy, am I glad we did because the roof rodeo, it looks. I don't want to say it looks a little cartoony.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

It look. It does look a kind of cartoonish. And like, I don't want to be. I don't want to insult the roofs because I love them, but like. And I don't mean this in a bad way, but like a little silly. Like it's like whimsical. Like. Like a toy kind of. Right. Like exaggerated proportions.

[B]

Well, it's very exaggerated. The rear end on this. I think the rear fenders are like 5 inches wider than on the SCR. That does not look narrow at all.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like the fender flares are huge. The bumpers are also like a more rectangular design than the rest of the car, which is very round or the scr, like 911s are very round or shape. So it does. It seems like it's growing these, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like transforming off road machine. Yeah, yeah. In front of you.

[A]

But like the front and rear bumpers, they don't look like rally car stuff or they don't look motorsport inspired. I'm not sure what they're inspired by, but that's why, like, I think it's the front and rear bumpers more than anything where I get kind of like. Huh. Like the cartooniness.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

The side, the sides, the fender flares. Okay. The wheels. Yes. I see a rally inspired by fired thing. But either way, this is a goddamn great time. This car. This is so. It's the carbon tub, it's. It's the metzger based roof. 3.6 liter, 610 horsepower, twin turbo engine. It has a manually torque selectable all wheel drive system. You can go. I think you can do anything from 50, 50 to 100 rear.

[B]

You can do anything from 4,951 to 100% rear. And RS, ours is the prototype, so ours would only switch between what seemed like. Well, the display had like an automatic ratio change and then you could go full 100 rear.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But what I think is cool is they said on the production one it's almost like a rheostat or a knob where you can go any percentage in between those two ends.

[A]

It seemed like it was ready to be a touchscreen slider. But ours only had the two settings, which, like, for our purposes was just fine actually. But you know, it's got the inboard suspension. And I said carbon tub. When they first told me it was under £3,000, I was like, no way. But it might be.

[B]

They say 2700, which is.

[A]

No, it was 2950 wet.

[B]

Oh, wet. So the number I saw was dry.

[A]

Probably dry. Yeah. This is 2950 WET. Make sure to use my clip in the video.

[B]

We're both right.

[A]

Yeah. And I was like, there's just no way. Like my, my 1987 car, like, what, you know, wasn't that light, like, but like, I don't know. I know it might be like, I.

[B]

Don'T know what, you know, a G body body weighs by itself. But we've heard from so many supercar manufacturers, including ssc, but everyone seems to land with a body chassis that's like £200.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Every company likes to say two people can lift this and carry it around.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah.

[B]

I would guess speculating because I don't.

[A]

Know, it's probably the same.

[B]

Yeah, probably the same.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I mean, carbon fiber, it just.

[A]

It highlights how great that is and like, man. So it, this thing really has some fun, dynamic habits, doesn't it?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

It can make big swales in the road, like completely disappear, which is really fun. But the weight transfer movements are very accentuated, which is also very fun. When you like rip through the gears at full throttle. Throttle, the thing like bucks forward and backwards between shifts in just a hilarious way.

[B]

And also in first gear and second, it throws up traction control like it's trying to do a burnout once you cross about four and a half thousand revolutions per minute, like, and if you turn traction off, it does like a little rolling off. Roady burnout on tarmac. Yeah, I mean it's, it's a 610 horsepower and like 516 torque.

[A]

Yeah, it's a lot. It's a fast, fast, fast car. And you do have to make a lot of adjustments to drive it fast on the street. And it's kind of sloppy, but it's fun.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like, it's actually a very fucking good time. And it has the same turn in habits of the stirato where you just lift, turn, flick, smash. And it will just do a four wheel slide. Like new problem, all gravy. It really has a fabulous front, rear, left, right balance. Just really good.

[B]

Really good. And the steering is quick. It's still really talkative. It's not super heavy. Despite having these big tires and Stuff, but it's talkative, reacts quickly, does that thing we love we've talked about so many times, like trophy truck movement, rally car movement. I mean, I'd say the suspension is soft than the rally cars. I drove at rally ready. And so because of that, you have a little more movement. It's adaptive shocks, though. You can hit the button. But we were driving. I was driving in soft mode, and it just floated over all these road imperfections that I absolutely felt in my car. And then you go into those corners, and it just, like, leans five inches and the tire leans a little bit. And then. Oh, man, it's such a good time.

[A]

It's so easy to drive with, like, 2 degrees of oversteer everywhere because the weight transfer is so good. When you break, all you have to do is break and turn. It will do the rest for you. If you turn just a little harder than you normally would. You just get the littlest bit. And now your balance. It's gorgeous. It's absolutely fabulous. It's so fun.

[B]

The video will be awesome because you had some, like, big, honking, impressive tarmac slides.

[A]

I was really having. I was really having a lot of fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Trunk is pretty much gone, though, because there's inboard front suspension and, like, other things where trunk was. Yeah, not in. There's also what was up there. The electric air conditioning and the something else. But there's like.

[B]

It looked like it was up there.

[A]

There's really not a lot of trunk. Although there is room behind the seats. You can throw stuff back there.

[B]

Well, behind the seat is a. Is a. I'll call it a tall shelf.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, the shelf starts at your shoulders.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you could put jackets or small things. The trail trunk or. Sorry. The front is, like, big enough to hold the briefcase of cash. It's a very shallow carbon fiber frunk.

[A]

Yeah. And that's kind of all you good on the ring. Not great on the storage, but it's got roof rails.

[B]

True.

[A]

So you could. You could do the cargo box.

[B]

Yeah, you'd have to do cargo boxes. You don't want to, like, strap things to the roof because then it's on the paint.

[A]

Yeah. It's a million dollars, but it's so. It's 1.2 sweet.

[B]

It dynamically fantastic. Just like other roof stuff. We've driven so much fun and all. All of the themes of it of these, like, the movement of the body is something we don't really experience a lot in new cars because new sports cars are so stiff. And it's so fun to feel those limits, you know, at a lower speed. If you had, if you had, you know, 911 turbo on that road, there's no way you're sliding anywhere because you'd have to go way too fucking fast.

[A]

No, no, no. That'd be insane. You'd be sliding at 100 miles an hour.

[B]

Exactly. This, it's just. It brings all of that joy to more accessible, level speeds.

[A]

Yeah, levels.

[B]

Because it's so expensive.

[A]

But you can learn a lot by driving a car like this too. It's really good. And is there any of these three shots? The interior. The interior is a Ralph Lauren inspired interior. It's got really high end leather on everything as well as. I mean, what I called in the video, I called the like Native American blankets. I'm not really sure if that's accurate or not, but that's the impression that I get from them. Western blankets. And the ceiling headliner is a western blanket too. It's fucking awesome.

[B]

The dash construction and stitching and leather work is like the best I've ever seen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's really so tight. Really impressive.

[A]

I wish the steering wheel adjusted, dude. It's the only thing about this car that's not like a 12.

[B]

It telescopes and the air conditioner kind of stuff. The steering wheel goes from touching the dashboard essentially to like 4 inches closer to you. But you're sit. We're sitting, both of us, like we wanted six more inches.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Enjoy that clip Internet, you know, if you like. I was sitting too close to it for my feet, but it, you know, you do what you have to do. I was just, I was surprised. For a car that cost this much money and has had attention paid to every single bit of it in such an amazing way from like the science, the materials, the construction, the execution, the tuning, to have that as a miss.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was really surprised.

[A]

There might be a very good reason it can't be done, but it is. And it wouldn't keep me from buying one or wanting one or whatever. But, you know, the Singer had the perfect driving position. Singer Turbo did like. I hate to say it, but like, you know, there is, there's someone out there that might, that might think those two are competitors.

[B]

Well, I know that Roof PR is listening and I know that they're going to ask roof why? And we'll get an answer. Because it might be like a TUV rule. They can't use a new steering column.

[A]

It might be.

[B]

Or something like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But that was truly the only miss.

[A]

Yeah. And it wouldn't keep me from buying the car if I could afford it and if I could get one, I totally would. It's rad.

[B]

It is rad. Yeah, it's. You're paying a hefty premium for the name. And we probably both talked about the competition in the in car, but the competition doesn't have a carbon fiber tub.

[A]

Yeah, the name comes with the tub and that engine. It comes with both. I mean, fabulous interior materials are great. They're not exclusive to roof. Other people can do great interiors as well. And there's certain other things about this car that other companies can also do very, very well, such as T.J. russell, who does an amazing job with his Russ built cars. That thing was super sick. That was different though. That was like a 3.8 air cooled car. I mean, it was a beautiful car. It was. It was really fun. Really beautiful. But yeah, the carbon tub and the brand name do. And by the way, I'm not convinced, despite how awesome this is, that they're gonna sell that many. I'm not fully. I mean, maybe they are. I hope they are. It's cool. Cool. If someone out there is like, hey, should I? Yeah, you should. But like, I'm not sure if their customer, the customer who wants a roof and the customer who has this kind of money is going to crisscross intersect with the customer who's looking for that type of product.

[B]

I totally agree with you. And also you need the customer who is going to play with it in the dirt.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I think if, you know, a lot of people buy expensive cars that are track oriented or high performance and they only take them to cars and coffee, whatever. But I think this is even more strange and it's even. And so if they. If most people had to pick between driving the high performance car meant for tarmac to an event that's held on tarmac versus the off road thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They'll probably find themselves leaning more toward the tarmac one because it's a little more at home, I guess, and maybe a little more exciting to them. This is definitely a niche type of thing.

[A]

Yeah. But it's so cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You just have to be, you know, real rich and real brave.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, you have to like not brave brave because it's. It's the. It's not that the limits of this car are low. It's very fast. But you can have all the fun with it at very low speeds. You can find an empty gravel lot and in first and second gear have an insane amount of fun with this car safely.

[B]

You know, if you live in like the southwest or anywhere, honestly, where there's logging roads or open BLM land and obviously you have to be a baller to enjoy this. Like, the car deserves to be taken to those locations. You know, like, let this dog run free. Because otherwise you are missing out on so much of the experience and all you're doing is stunting around and like eating potholes. But who cares?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But gosh, take this on.

[A]

You shouldn't do this as an investment. Do this one as. Do this one as a cash burn.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't. If you got. You got to have, have and be willing to spend. Like, you know, like when I go to play blackjack, I've got my like hundred dollar entertainment fund. Two and our entertainment, I go. This is gone. It's the entertainment fund. If it comes back, great. But if not, you know, you need to have. This needs to be. It's crazy that we're talking about numbers like this.

[B]

It is.

[A]

It's a very small number of people. But you. If you. But even worse is when people have the access to buy shit like this and then they do and then they worry about earning a positive return. So they just don't drive it or don't use it.

[B]

They don't want to scratch it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So. Because they'll lose money on it. This is like, I mean, it does two things because obviously it's out of touch to say that people, everyone should buy this. Everyone, and I mean anyone at almost any price point should experience sport car, car on dirt.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In some capacity. Because the things we're talking about that we enjoyed, you know, short of like the adjustable diff and the power, you can have that kind of Fun in a $3,000 E30 that you put like some, you know, Bilstein HDs on.

[A]

Yeah. So anything with like a decent diff and some decent shocks and tires and ground clearance, like it can be a shitty car.

[B]

All the fun.

[A]

One might argue it should be a shitty car.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You might have more fun than this if you put me in a shitty rally car versus a roof rodeo that I've paid for, somehow have paid for and the same thing. I'm probably gonna have a little more fun in the shitty car.

[B]

Honestly.

[A]

Cause I can't roll like that.

[B]

Yeah. Cause it's more disposable. And I think that actually one of the things that works against this is that buying a purpose built Baja 1000 pre runner or luxury Pre Runner or, you know, serious truck is also nearing a million Dollars now. I mean those things fully built with every bell and whistle. That is extremely expensive King of Hammers vehicle. I mean those are well into six figures.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So part of me goes, all right, well if you like sports cars and you are in that industry or like that stuff, this is a good time. But maybe those trucks are more durable. You can't really damage them as much. And so people will still treat this a little too cautiously.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I hope that whatever, you know, single or double digit number of people end up with these. I mean like the odds of me ever seeing one again, right?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Are basically zero. In person, like the odds of ever driving one again are zero. I told Mike, who I got. I took Mike for a ride in the city thing and I was like, I hope you understand. And he does. And I wasn't trying to like belittle him. I was like, but I hope you understand you will probably never be in the presence of one of these things ever again. Like just, that's just a fact of things. You go to all the cars and coffees you can ever go to, you'll probably never see another one of these things.

[B]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[A]

Let alone like go sideways in one. Like, this is a weird, weird thing.

[B]

We'Re doing right now in Monterey. We were on a street and there were five Paganis and I think they, you know, coordinated to be there there. I don't know if we'll ever see five rodeos even at Monterey Car week.

[A]

Yeah, probably not. Maybe. Unless they have a rodeo, right? Yeah, maybe they'll do it on rodeo.

[B]

Yeah. Or they'll rent the Bronco off rodeo in Texas. Probably not.

[A]

I saw that place, we drove by it for the. The scout. I did.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We've have a lot. We have a lot of questions left over from last time. I think we do have a good.

[B]

Bit and people are paying attention. On Saturday. We got some questions all like people.

[A]

Are paying attention on Saturday, huh? It's a boring ass day today.

[B]

I guess so, you know, everyone's on break.

[A]

There were like seven different temperatures this morning. Really, really.

[B]

So humid.

[A]

Really strange. Yeah. The humidity. Some. California can't. Can't handle our, our fragile temperature system. We can't handle. If the wind blows from the east, all fucking hell breaks loose. If the wind comes from the other way and it's this fucking slightest bit humid, it's all. It all goes to shit. The fucking 405 is like half closed this weekend.

[B]

Half of it.

[A]

We.

[B]

Which they need to.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. So Mike And I rode up this morning. I was like, I figure like, you know, we can lane split. We got to get through it on bikes. I don't want to do it on a car. And it was pretty shit. Yeah. At 6:45 this morning, it was. It went down from, you know, whatever it is. Six lane between the 10 Freeway and Sunset. It went down from six to two lanes.

[B]

Oh, did you guys go over the mountain? Yeah, we rode 405 and then.

[A]

Yeah, we rode. We rode Upper Bay to hunger today.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we went early, had breakfast over there. We thought it was gonna be super hot. So that's why we want to get.

[B]

Out there early yesterday. Dude, it was 100 when we finished. I know it was a hundred degrees.

[A]

It was a sweaty. And actually roof. Roof does need to work a little bit on their air conditioners.

[B]

Dude. If I'm honest, if I like some old Lamborghini.

[A]

Yeah. If I'm honest. Aloisa, chop chop. We need, we need improved air conditioners.

[B]

I. We had the fan cranked to max and it was gentle. Like the wind speed was gentle.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then the cooling was. Especially for something we've only.

[A]

Dude. But we've driving desert. The one in North Carolina, the scr, we didn't really need the air conditioner and we were on the track and it wasn't very hot. Right. The. The yellow one in Miami was really hot. That thing was like that. That day was really hot and really humid.

[B]

Very true.

[A]

And this, this was really hot and really humid. But I saw Kevin driving it up on the highway. Like we saw him on the highway and he was driving it up with both windows down. Like so clearly I think we did the elect. My customer has not complained about the air conditioning and his CTR anniversary. But yeah, we've. We've not had the best air conditioning experience.

[B]

And for this car which will be driven, should be driven in a lot of strange inclement weather, desert stuff. It should have a cranking system.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, because also if you have the windows down, you're going to get dirt inside the car, which will happen. But you don't want to welcome it.

[A]

No. You don't want to be like mobbing on dirt with the windows down in a car like this. If you have the alternative. Not with that. Not with the interior like that. But it's so sick. Thank you guys for letting us drive it. We appreciate you. And thank you for not being wieners about it too and being cool, letting us like rip it a little bit. In the dirt and have fun with it. Make it, make it move around a little bit.

[B]

I applaud them for allowing us to do that and them going, yeah, it'll be fine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because if you want to sell the car like that, a car like that, you should allow people to drive it in the way it's meant to be driven.

[A]

Exactly. Are you ready to go to the people that I get ahead of you there a little bit for a moment?

[B]

No, no, it's fine. We got a bunch.

[A]

Great. Let's go to them. The patreon is open. Patreon.com the Smoking Tire podcast is where you ask questions for the program. It's where you catch the live stream. It's where you get an ad free listening experience. It's where you get exclusive access to merch and collabs like the Notice Canyon Black Pearl and more and more and more. An extra show every month. For example, patreon.com the smokingtirepodcast. It's also by far the most effective way support our program on a regular basis. Notice I added the on the regular basis because dollar for dollar, the most effective way to support our program is to buy all five Notice Canyon watches. So shout out to all of yous who did that, all yous patrons. Now a second Jay Z has hit the Supra, says Matt and Zach. What was the most unique car you saw in regular traffic during car week? I. I know. I don't think. I don't know. I guess being on the tour does count.

[B]

But calling it, I think calling it unique is my str. Like in normal traffic, not in the tour. I was behind the green Miura SV that I think went to the lawn later and it was just like, oh. And I showed Sarah. She's in the car with. I go see how we're just behind this thing and we're all sitting at a stoplight. Like, I think that was perfect.

[A]

Probably the rarest I saw on the way into Monterey. Arriving on Wednesday morning, I saw the Alfa Romeo Disco Volante being driven around and I was like, holy shit. And even Hannah was like, I have no idea what that is, but I can tell by looking at it that it's something nuts.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then, oh, southbound on the 101 when we left, we passed that like Harlequin 911 and the Harlequin Land Cruiser, which I guess were like the Sean Weatherspoon cars. Yeah, they were like random people to drive down, but it just happened upon them.

[A]

Yeah. Pretty cool stuff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Tom early says, what's the shortest amount of time you've ever kept a car that you intended to keep long term. I had my. I had the Hummer H1 for three months. Oh, that was the shortest. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, I thought it was longer than.

[A]

No, three months. I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. It was so stupid.

[B]

I mean, that.

[A]

It might have been. It might have been four or five, but I. I remember it in my head. It's three. It was definitely less than six.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It was not good.

[B]

You had it for, like, the winter, right? And then you got.

[A]

Yeah, I bought it like, in November and I sold it, like, before the summer.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Lick my Aztec. It's kind of funny. True or false. The996 is without question the ugliest 911 ever made. There's a couple, to me that are kind of bad. There's a couple of those, like, weird bumper cars. Like the long bumper tr. Like 74, 75. Like, weird. That look a little strange to me that I don't really like, but slant.

[B]

Nose to me, you're like, you know.

[A]

Not into a slant nose.

[B]

I'm not. Like, the shape of it's fine, but I look at it, I just think it's strange. Plus, it had, like, the weird big bumpers back then also, so. So I think the 996, especially from profile, is better looking.

[A]

But yeah, I. Yeah, I. I don't.

[B]

The thing is, most of the cars look, and I'm not trying to be sparing as I usually am, like, they're kind of the same. They're very similar. So it's like, sure, it's the ugliest, but only because the headlight was not round.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For a brief amount of time. Otherwise it would all be like a tie. So.

[A]

Yeah, if you put 997 headlights on a 996, it would really change it a lot. It's really just the headlights more so than anything else.

[B]

Yeah, it's like, you know, John and Kate plus eight. Like, if one of their children looked very 2% different, like, that's the ugly one. All look the same.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, Dre got out of the.

[A]

Oh, Dre got out of the terrible Audi. All right. Good, good, good on you, bro. Borat's Carry Peace thoughts on the new rise against album. P.S. your attorney is awesome. I hope you mean off the record. And we do love off the record. I haven'. Listened to the whole Rise against album yet. I really should because I'm seeing them in three weeks. In New York. But the songs I've heard come through my Apple music are good. Disrespectfully agree. I like that one. Can you speak on proper seating position for spirited driving? Like how bent should my legs and elbows be? How far should I be from the wheel? I like to be assuming you're driving a manual far enough from the dashboard so that your clutch pedal hits the floor before your leg is hyper extended. Like when it's like just almost fully extended and I sit a little further back than that if I'm like cruising long distance. And then when you drape your hand over the wheel, it's. Your wrist should sit on the top of the wheel and you should sit like pretty up upright. That's pretty much it.

[B]

Usually if I'm driving fast or whatever, I sit a little more upright than like, you know, there's like seven tenths seating and then I go and move it up a little bit more for faster.

[A]

Yeah, if you're really on a track or something then you don't want to be screeching for the wheel. You want the wheel to be pretty, not pretty close. But you want to be able to hold the wheel at 9 and 3 and have your elbows be solidly bent.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You'll have much better leverage. You'll wear out your arms less.

[B]

Yeah, you use your shoulders more or your back and your shoulders and also your range of motion. You can just sit in your car and go if your arms are straight, like how much can you move before you're all crossed up versus you know, full 180 or 270 degrees?

[A]

Yeah, lots of talk. Usually. Shit, that's pretty funny. EV manufacturers have been able to sell their credits to OEMs who don't produce enough zero emissions vehicles. Now that there are $00 fines imposed by CAFE, is there still a market for EV credits? Interesting question. I'm not sure that CAFE standards and EV credits are part of the same system. They may be separate. I mean CAFE is a. Is corporate average fuel economy economy. I don't know if green credits are used to boost your corporate average fuel economy or if they're used to offset not producing either enough numbers or enough percentages of electric vehicles. So like on the one hand if there's no fine by CAFE and EV credits were used to get you help towards cafe, then I would say that yeah, Tesla and other car makers who are selling their are kind of in trouble if that is not the case and they're separate systems entirely.

[B]

You know then and just for like to Add context. Tesla, for example, they made a lot of money selling EV credits. I'm not picking on them, I'm just bringing them up because I knew that they made $692 million selling regulatory credits in the final quarter of 2024.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Alone. And it was nearly 30% of their income for that quarter. So, you know, companies like them were making a ton of extra money. Not just selling cars, selling these credits.

[A]

I just don't know if they're the same system, you know. Yeah, the credit, they might, it might not be, but yeah, that could be a problem. Habibi Autos. Autosport. Habibi Autosport. Excuse me. What's the best way to make a boring car interesting? Nearly anything can be made cool by lowering and adding tasteful wheels.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

That's certainly a good place to start. Yeah, you can tweak some cosmetics. Ride height wheels you can do, you know, paint, body colored moldings, you know, body or paint moldings, body color instead of black. You can do stuff like that.

[B]

I think any kind of individuality helps and you know, like we have to define interesting. But if you have a boring car and you open the door and the interior, for example, like the seats are restitched, people go, oh, you put your own spin on this. You put your flavor on this car. It's not just an LS400, you know, something like that that makes it stand out from the other cars that might be at the meet.

[A]

I. Well, okay, wait. Way mo. Way mo. Hand jobs from women I hardly know. That is like there's layers to that. The lay you've got a wayo. And the play on the word wayo. And hand jobs from women I hardly know is from crazy people. And if you guys haven't seen crazy people, you need to go watch crazy people because it's fucking awesome.

[B]

And also, if the Waymo is giving the handjob, does that mean it's an autonomous handjob and not a crazy person?

[A]

Because it's a Jaguar? Because the ad was for Jaguar. Yes. I want a hand job.

[B]

That is a fantastic name. That really is. There's like, there's like five layers.

[A]

There's like layers to that. I very much respect that. And they track their stock M3M2 comp a couple weekends a year. I want to improve turn in, but I don't have a ton of mod money. Should I spend money on new suspension or a squared wheel setup on dedicated track tires? I think you should do a squared wheel setup on dedicated track tires. Right. If you want to go faster on the track, turn in harder. I would do the track. You'll leave your. You'll. You'll leave your warranty, whatever's about it, left of it intact. You won't make it too stiff for the street. I'm not sure stiffening your suspension will do all that much for your turn in.

[B]

I totally agree with you. It's already an M2 comp. So. I mean the last time I drove one of those, I didn't. I was not wanting for more spring rate. I was. Granted I was on Angeles Crest, but like it seemed like a pretty stiff car. But if you add sticky tires we talked about like you're going to stop better, you'll accelerate better. Your turn in, your max grip will be better. And I assume it's cheaper than buying suspension for a little bit.

[A]

Yeah. And I assume based on the fact that they are asking about a square stance setup that that is a thing that people do on the M2s. I've not looked into that about M2s, but. But like they do it in Mustangs, they do it in Camaros, I assume they do it in M2s. So like. Yeah, if people are already doing that, like that seems like a thing. And you may be able to get a factory alignment, you may be able to get, excuse me, an alignment using your new wheels and tires that is designed to help you turn in harder. It may be at the expense of straight line stability, but you're on a track like you're two hands on the fucking wheel and it's a flat surface. Like tram lining isn't the problem. You can get a track alignment for those wheels and tires.

[B]

Yes, I'll say that. Going square stance and getting alignment on my car transformed how the front end felt.

[A]

Yeah. Spin the Mercedes Black Circle. That's funny because it's Pearl Jam. But how does the Mercedes Black Circle, Is that like the. The star?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Gotta be right.

[A]

I guess. But I'll give it a seven. I mean respect for Pearl Jam and for like trying. But like we don't call it the Mercedes Black Circle, do you? You call it like the three pointed star.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

Just saying. Would an advanced driving course like Dirtfish be too much for a 16 year old that just got his license? Fuck no.

[B]

Such a good idea.

[A]

Send it both the kid to the school and the car once he's there.

[B]

And whoever you're asking, you should do it with them. Great bonding experience. But I think this will lead to your, your kid being a safer driver. Should something ever go wrong in inclement weather, just make sure that they know to like they don't feel like they got a superpower and then they can go explore those limits on public roads.

[A]

Mike Honcho's Playgirl spread How Similar are Audi R8s to R35 GTRs? Zero very different. I have an R35 GTR and want to add a V10 experience. I've never been in an R8 but worry it will feel too similar to the. With both being all wheel drive, mid engine versus front engine. Okay. No, I, I think they're very different cars.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I don't. There's not a lot that they have in common really. I mean except there may be a little pushy under braking but, but just.

[B]

Not all, not all drive systems are created equal. Not all cars that have all wheel drive will feel equal. I think the R35 feels bigger, bigger, heavier, literally clunkier because of the transmission. I mean the R8 is, feels like a smaller car, more exotic. Of course the, the sound is better, sounds better, gearbox is better. Yeah. I think they'll do interiors better.

[A]

Yeah, I mean I, you're, you're not gonna, you might not want to get back into the R35. You spend any time in an R8 you can probably. Where can you go drive an R8? I would Turo one if you can. You might be able to go to like Vegas maybe some of the track, the dream racing or someone might still.

[B]

Be use one and just tell them you're curious and if you show up in a car that if they deem you a responsible person that has the money to fix it if you break it, they might test drive it. Ironically they say would a 4th gen Viper be a good choice? I think cockpit wise and visibility that actually feels more similar to an R35.

[A]

Yeah it does.

[B]

Dynamically it's very different but like they're both this cocoon you can't really see out of.

[A]

4Th gen Vipers are really plastic. Plasticky. I mean they're, they're very capable, especially the ACRs. But man, I don't, I love the idea of a Viper and every time I just sit in one I go nah, hell no.

[B]

They're such good looking cars though man. Gts.

[A]

Oh boy are they junk to touch. They're just bad to the touch. I don't have the answer to that one a second. Jay Z has hit the Supra. No. Nissan announced this week they're bringing back the Xterra and Infiniti would be Getting another manual transmission, rear drive sedan. Is it too little, too late for them or do you think they can somehow pull themselves back?

[B]

Huh. So another G35 or 30.

[A]

Yeah, G. A G, whatever. That's gonna probably a G400 or something. Something or, you know, probably that.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Built on the Nissan 400.

[A]

Yeah. Nissan Architecture and I mean, the Xterra could be awesome actually, if it's a, if it's a good little truck. I. Yeah, I never really know what Infinity's doing. I mean, they had, they had such a smash hit with the first gen G35s. Yeah, that first gen G35 coupe ripped.

[B]

Yeah. It was great car.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What.

[A]

What were they doing after that? What happened?

[B]

Well, I mean, look, the. The entire market basically moved away from coupes and sedans. And that was their bread and butter. They went to crossovers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. But Nissan probably sold way more rogues than Infiniti sold. I'm speculating, but like, I see more of them around. I don't know. But I think the things we loved about Infiniti were the cars. And fewer people are buying cars.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know, man. When they started doing these like little compact crossover things and. I don't know. I don't care. My trainer Sean had an infinity G37. He. He got rid of it. He was like, I'm over this thing. Habibi, come back. Do either of you remember the moment you got into cars? I do. I mean, not the moment, but I remember like I had have like my first car magazine. I still have had the DeLorean on.

[B]

The COVID Oh, right.

[A]

Explains a lot.

[B]

Do you have like every magazine somewhere?

[A]

Every. No.

[B]

I thought. Oh, I thought you said once you had like all.

[A]

I had all car and driver, road and track from like 1988 to like 2004.

[B]

Oh, that's a lot.

[A]

It is a lot. It's like a couple like bins of them. Yeah.

[B]

I think the. I think the moment would either be when my. When I was five, my dad was let me like shift or steer his scout. So I was like, oh, that's fun gears. And then our neighbor, we lived out in like forest land and our neighbor was a repairman for the boardwalk. And they used to have these old, like, they look like mini Carmen gas that they used to like let people drive somewhere on the track. And he like unbolted it from the safety track and you could just drive it around. So we just. His son took me for a ride in the dirt and I went, oh, shit. This is a good time. So that was probably it.

[A]

Yeah, I see. Dead Altimas. Thoughts on a possible Tiptronic to manual swap on 996s? I think there'd be more money in it for early 997s, but, yeah, do.

[B]

It like, it's gotta be possible, right?

[A]

I don't think the Delta between the two cars is all that much. I mean, a Tiptronic 996 is like 20 grand and a manual one is like 35, which is like, don't get me wrong, that's a real money difference. But like, that's not a lot of room for a viable business model and labor and all that. And the fact that the car is no longer original.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, and whatever.

[B]

And as we've learned from Oz, the guy with the sl. But in other cars, it's not just swapping the hardware. Sometimes as you get into newer cars, there might be ECU work that has to get done. So finding someone that can tell those car that this transmission swap is okay may be more challenging than just bolting stuff up.

[A]

Yeah. Josh J. Said, are there companies that can help find niche cars that are not necessarily super expensive, like 80s Saab's or TVRs? I mean, the car like, broker, sorcerer type of people, people just tend to work at the higher end because, like, if it's the same amount of work to find a Saab or a Ferrari and you get paid in a percentage.

[B]

True.

[A]

What are you looking for Saab's for? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, the importers, a lot of those guys know, like, because they look at auctions, like foreign wholesale auctions, and so they might be able to find stuff like. Like that.

[B]

It's probably a good call is finding someone that does a lot of. A lot of like a volume of business and just telling them that you're looking for this and they might stumble, like switch cars or something. You just put a bug in their ear and maybe they'll hit you up one day. But you're probably gonna have better luck just doing your own research on ebay and stuff.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. RimHack. My Passat is pretty funny. I would. Is that better than Passat? My. I think Passat. My RIM might be better either way. What was the question there? Oh, if you were going to have a comedian's lemons team, who would you want on your crew? Crew chief, driver, lead tech, Crew chief. I'd want to be Lewis Black.

[B]

Not expecting that answer at all.

[A]

As a drop. I mean. Ooh, who's I mean, who's like, Tom is the obvious one, but someone's gonna be faster than Tom. Who. What Some comedians have done the. That celebrity Grand Prix.

[B]

There's. Well, there's. What's his.

[A]

Oh, Adam Carolla.

[B]

I guess there's him. But there's also Frankie Muniz.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

But he's very funny.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's fast.

[A]

Yeah. He races nascar.

[B]

Still racing? Yeah, yeah, Lot of stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He'd probably be really fun, I think. Crew chief, I'm going to go with Anthony Jeselnik because he's such a calculating specific person. That car and that team are going to run like clockwork.

[A]

Yeah. Like he'd call you into the pits but then not do anything. And he was like, anthony, why'd you come into the pits? And he goes, I just want to tell you that I cut the other team's brake lines. Now get back out.

[B]

This is ruthless.

[A]

Yeah, that's. I would definitely want Kippy and Foley in charge of hot dogs for the team.

[B]

Sure. I mean, yeah, they seem like they know food.

[A]

They do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

NK says what modern super car is the most influential and serves as the poster car for Gen Z? It's got to be Koenigseggs. Those car spotter kits.

[B]

Kids.

[A]

It's fucking all about Koenigseggs for them, you know.

[B]

Yeah. But. And also I think Paganis. I think it's always super expensive stuff because. And it looks like alien technology. So. Yeah, they're into it.

[A]

I stoodog is asking if we've seen a video. I did see it, but I don't. I would like to know what happened before I talk about it. Okay.

[B]

We actually skipped the question of GPAK tour because we.

[A]

Oh, we know we're sor. Okay. Aspherical driver's mirrors are hard to get in the US what other features do foreign market cars have that you wish we had here? And what do we have that other markets need? They have the connected car speed limit displays which are connected to the. To the roads, which is nice. Variable speed limits.

[B]

I see.

[A]

Oh my God, that's nice. I like that.

[B]

I wish we had the fast diesels like the BMWs they have over there.

[A]

Yeah, that. Laser headlights which I think we're just starting to get now. Those are. Those are some of the better features that they have over there that we don't. What do we have that other markets need?

[B]

Hemi V8, man. Need TRX for every country.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know why I did that voice for that. I don't either.

[A]

What do we have to offer other countries in terms of of driving?

[B]

Good question. Because cars, like a lot of our cars, are too big for other countries.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In the UK even, even our small pickups there feel gigantic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But they're probably.

[A]

I told you about Hannah and the Mercedes GLE in Italy, right?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. When you see it in context, so funny. It's like an elephant.

[A]

Yeah. Well, here in America, if you turn off the A D ass, it stays off through the cycle. They need that in Europe. Lamborghini in a bottle. That's pretty good found. Oh, took our advice on finding a clean radwood car idea and bought a super clean red hard body Nissan Pathfinder with a manual. There you go.

[B]

Those are cool.

[A]

I like that.

[B]

I think they last forever.

[A]

They are very, very cool. What Islander. Islander says you wait. Okay, wait, hold on. Tony Rodriguez Salgado. What is the best sounding motorcycle you've ridden? Zach's only ridden a couple of motorcycles.

[B]

I've only ridden three, so I'll just say, like any Ducati though, is my favorite sounding motorcycle.

[A]

The best motorcycle I've ridden is the aprilia Dorset Duro750, which is not a very good motorcycle, but it's sounds insane. I loved it and it was really, really sick sounding. But I've heard a CBX go by at full clip and that's just. There's nothing like a cbx.

[B]

These are the ends.

[A]

All right. I Cayman Messiah. Oh, beard mate. Beard maintenance routine. I wash and condition my beard every other day. That's what I do. And then I shave. I also shave my head and everything every other day. That's it. I use Kiehl's Close Shavers Squadron Aftershave Cream and it rules. Rules. It's so good. Kurt burgstadt is a 2013 ZL1 with 20,000 miles for 45,000 bucks. A good buck buy.

[B]

H. That is a really fun car.

[A]

Yeah, but that does seem I 20,000 miles is low.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But a 2013 ZL1 that'll have an LSA that's going to have a 556 horsepower CTSV engine.

[B]

I think that car is like 55 mag ride, right?

[A]

Yeah. I mean that's a fast car. And 20,000 miles is low. 45,000 seems high.

[B]

I think my question would be can you get a CTS V that also has L? Not with 20,000 miles now 20,000 miles. But if I could get a CTS V that has mag ride and essentially the same engine. The interior is so much nicer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think the ZL one's rad. And when we drove it back in the day, it's like a budget AMG car. It feels every bit of like GT muscle Mercedes to me. But Camaro interior. Yeah, I feel like it looked cheap when it was brand new. So I just, I don't think I could live with it now.

[A]

And that's a fifth. That's a fifth. Fifth gen. The sixth gen was like a little better, but only just. Yeah, but man, 45, 000 if it was 40, might be able to talk them down for 35. Settle at 40. If they're asking 45. Offer. Offer. 35. Meet in the middle at 40 and it's a good goodbye. 20,000 miles is not a lot for one of these. Not as long as, if you, as long as under your ownership you kept it under like 40, you're probably pretty good there. Travis Pastrana's primary care provider. Favorite generation of WRX STI Hawkeye.

[B]

All day.

[A]

22B all day. Two door non US version for me. Waymo money. Waymo problems. Two Waymo usernames in one. I don't, I don't know what telo trucks are. Thoughts on the Telo trucks Aptera partnership? You know, I saw an Aptera on the road. One like they're, they, they have one that is like a prototype. They did invite me to drive it. I never got around to it. Oh, that's a weird looking thing that looks like a Range Rover if you cut the nose off it. Or like a Rivian with no nose.

[B]

Yeah, it does solar panels on the roof. Huh Huh.

[A]

I mean, look, Aptera's solar panels generate 200 watts each at peak sunlight, delivering 1 to 2 watt hours per day. Okay, so 1 to 2 watt hours. The battery on the Taycan is 87 kilowatt hours. So 87,000 watt hours, hours from zero to full. And this does 1 to 2 again of 87,000 per day.

[B]

Let's just say even if it was just 87 watts watt hours. Sorry. That would still take 40 to 80 days to charge it.

[A]

So I mean, wait, one to two watt hours per day. So like.

[B]

Wait, this is weird.

[A]

Wait, so 1 to 2 watt hours per day. So that means let's just be generous and call it 700 watt hours for a year. Right? So not even 1 kilowatt hour for a whole year. That's like not a lot.

[B]

And I'm happy to be wrong about this. So if you're listening, you're like an electrical engineer. So Solar engineer, correct us in the comments, but it does seem like I completely understand this goal of can we have solar power that charges the car? Infinite Energy Machine. Fantastic. Great, let's do that. But when we do this math, it does come across like a gimmick. Now, maybe that solar power, like, runs the electronics inside, but the battery that already. That powers the vehicle can also do that. So it just seems. Seems like a whimsical idea that actually doesn't do much.

[A]

I went to a launch for some kind of prototype car like two years ago that had solar panels all over it, and they basically said if you keep it parked outside all day in like, Phoenix or San Diego or something, then you can get about 1500 miles a year in solar driving. This was their claim. I did not test it or even drive the phone car. In fact, the car looked kind of like a box, but. But that's a lot more than what they're talking about here. But anyway, I don't know. I'll. Aptera did offer to let me drive a car, and I should circle back with them and probably take them up on it because it does look funny and weird. But they haven't sold any. That's true. Let's. All right, I'll even write. Write it down. Call Aptera because I need more things to do.

[B]

Are we doing this math wrong? Like, this has Tilo V. This is on auto week. Tilo vehicles consume 2 to 300. 200 to 300 watt hours a mile. So if. Does that mean, like, this solar energy capture is just pointless?

[A]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. 200 watt hours a mile? That seems very, very low. Because like a. Like, usually it's like 3 miles per kilowatt hour.

[B]

Yeah. No, I'm saying if the TILO vehicle is this efficient, so it's, you know, 30, 70% more efficient than, you know, Taycan. That's great. But still having the solar panels, if it needs 200. Let's. Let's go with conserve. If it needs 200 watt hours to go a mile.

[A]

200. Yeah.

[B]

And then the solar can generate 200 watts at peak sunlight. One to two watts per day. One to two watt hours per day. Sorry. So that's still like not much, 2% of what it actually takes to move one mile.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It might be enough to, like, run the climate control. You know, if you. If you parked it in a hot place and went hiking, maybe it could run the climate control.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, to keep it at 100 degrees instead of 150 degrees in your.

[B]

Car, you know, it's a cool look. I do dream sometimes about the day, like, you can just drive an EV out into the woods, leave it for two weeks, go for a backpacking trip, come back, it's charged, the battery, you can drive on like, and maybe we'll get there with energy density and like, I don't know.

[A]

I mean, they kind of have that now. You just have to leave it plugged into a level one. Like, if you plug it into a 110, like that will happen, right?

[B]

No, I'm talking about solar capture. Like, or you have to get out with a solar array and leave it.

[A]

No, you can have a solar. You can have a solar battery tender. I mean, you can have a very small solar panel that will keep your car's 12 volt battery alive, you know?

[B]

Yeah, I want to charge the big battery, but yeah, a ways out.

[A]

Yeah, it's not. Not anytime soon. Thanks, everybody. We appreciate you listening to our little program here. We got a couple new videos coming. We've got a lot more cars to drive. Zach and I are going out on Monday to drive the Totem gt, which is going to be really something special. And yeah, thank you to our patrons, everyone who bought a notice canyon of any color. And we appreciate all of you very much. And if you do want to support the show directly, the best way is at patreon.com thesmokingtirepodcast. We'll see you guys later. Bye.