Doug Demuro

Summary

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The Smoking Tire Podcast – Doug DeMuro Returns (December 2, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this lively and candid annual “Doug DeMurofest” episode, hosts Matt Farah and Zack Klapman are joined by renowned automotive reviewer Doug DeMuro. The conversation covers Doug’s recent acquisition of a Porsche 993 Turbo, the economics and logistics of car collecting, trends in the collectible car world, the infamous WhistlinDiesel/Montana tag registration scam, and the joy (and challenge) of actually driving rare cars as they were meant to be driven. The trio banter on topics ranging from collector car math, car modification regrets, auction site trends, uninspiring yet expensive SUVs, and the intersection of car enthusiasm with personal life, opportunity cost, and a dash of nostalgia.

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Major Topics & Key Segments

1. The Collector Car Conundrum: Joy vs. Investment

• [03:18] Car collecting logistics: Big collectors like Zuckerman have dozens of cars with linear costs—roughly "$12,000 a year per car just for care and feeding."
• [04:21] The math behind car appreciation is rarely honest: “Anyone who does the complete math is f***ing delusional.” (-Zuckerman via Matt)
• [05:12] Opportunity cost: Doug notes he’s up on his Ford GT, but would've made more just investing in the stock market.
• [06:15] The unique, intangible value of actually using the car—Doug: “I’ve driven that Ford GT 14,000 miles, and there’s value to that.”
• [07:22] Shift from "hard to use" to "easy" cars in collector tastes; Doug laments modern “rich guy go-fast cars” that require little enthusiasm or skill to buy/own.

2. Doug’s New Porsche 993 Turbo & Collecting Philosophy

• [08:49] Doug describes his niche use case (LA–San Diego drives and family fun) for the 993 Turbo and admits it’s the easiest to use, making it his most-driven fun car.
• [16:04] Matt’s struggle selling his NSX due to space and opportunity cost, and a comical aside about sourcing original lug nuts.
• [22:11] Doug critiques his Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro for being “the most Republican thing I could imagine,” joking about its styling and character.

3. Rising and Falling Car Values, Auctions, and “Poster Cars”

• [40:56] Matt’s experiment with a used Porsche Taycan—he can’t lose as much as the first owner did. “To lose as much as the first guy lost, I’d have to burn it to the ground, no insurance.”
• [54:51] The dream: depreciating an F40 “to nothing”—the reality that true driving freedom is impossible at big money.
• [55:35] Market “irrational exuberance”—Doug and Matt incredulous at the desirability/pricing of cars like the 993 Turbo, 430 Scuderia, and Aston Vanquish Zagato Shooting Brake.
  • Doug: “I think Scuds are about to take off. You can still get one for $275K; next year, they’ll be $500K cars.”
  • Matt: “Is a Stradale worth $500K? That’s a crazy overvaluation.”

4. The WhistlinDiesel Montana Tag Controversy

• [55:39] The legal and ethical issues surrounding registering cars “out of state” for tax avoidance:
  • Matt: “If you’re gonna run the scam, don’t put the Montana plate in a video that gets 40 million views.”
  • Doug: “Whistlin upsets some people. He made himself a target.”
• The group agrees that the law, though sometimes senseless, is clear; flaunting it publicly is just asking for trouble. [57:02]

5. The Realities of Owning, Storing, and Maintaining Car Collections

• [38:02] Doug purposefully limited his new home’s garage to four spaces to self-regulate; admits five fun cars is “too much work” with a family and other demands.
• Matt’s business for collector car storage and service is “blue-collar, not glamorous” despite million-dollar inventory.
• [44:39] Garage Tetris: Arranging stackers so the Countach’s doors can actually open, and learning the hard way about supercar quirks.

6. Driving Them vs. Storing Them (Countach Stories, Project Updates)

• [46:04] Matt’s Countach update: Engine and gearbox are finally back from Italy, but reassembly is daunting.
  • “We are going to find out something is missing. We just don’t know what it is.” - Matt [48:24]
• Doug’s Countach has a “built motor”—forged pistons and bored cylinders—admitting he wants his future Supra to be box-stock, to flex his restraint.

7. EV Trucks, Three-Row SUVs, and Uninspiring Enthusiast Cars

• [27:14] Cybertruck & F-150 Lightning: Why the electric truck market fizzled—“People who want Harleys and people who want electric motorcycles are opposite people.” - Matt
• [28:10] Why car companies chased EV pickups before three-row SUVs, despite latent demand for the latter.
• [113:16] Fast wagons (RS6, M5 Touring): Everyone wants the idea, but in practice, they’re too stiff, too thirsty, and ultimately “boring” as dailies.

8. Auction Trends, Value Myths, and Enthusiast Downers

• [109:29] Discussion about flooded auction sites: Are Cars & Bids and BaT becoming “eBay Motors”? Doug says there’s an enthusiast for everything and some weird stuff sells for bonkers money.
• The value added (or lost) from color, miles, and mods—especially aftermarket wheels. “Sell the wheels separately!” - Doug [79:31]
• Manual swap Ferraris, JDM mod culture, and the paradox of bone-stock but underwhelming Supras and Skylines.

9. Nostalgia, “Poster Car” Colors, & Community

• [65:58] Doug’s always sought the poster color (Arena Red 993 Turbo, green Defender); it scratches a childhood itch, even if the color isn’t his favorite.
• [67:30] Matt on the “Kills Bugs Fast” 993 Turbo ad—“Possibly the most iconic [Porsche] thing.” Many fans reached out after Doug’s announcement to reminisce about the poster.

10. Listener Q&A and Notable Tangents

• [100:24] Plans for 2026? Doug: “Nothing. Shouldn’t have bought this 993 Turbo.” Matt hopes to finish the Countach and maybe attend Detroit’s Dream Cruise instead of Monterey Car Week.
• Favorite (regretted) mods, car storage, concept car adventures (Doug driving a Cadillac Voyage prototype), car market “missed opportunities,” and the questionable wisdom of rare-spec restoration projects.

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Notable Quotes & Funny Moments

Collecting Cars and Economics

“Anyone who does the complete math is f***ing delusional.”
– Zuckerman via Matt Farah [04:21]

"I've driven that Ford GT 14,000 miles, and there's value to that."
– Doug DeMuro [05:48]

"To lose as much as the first guy lost, I’d have to burn it to the ground, no insurance."
– Matt Farah, on used Taycans [41:32]

On Collecting “Easy” Cars

"People have seemingly gravitated towards cars that are easy. There's still a huge market for the old cars, but... people have kind of gravitated towards the cars that are easy."
– Doug DeMuro [07:00]

"I call those all those cars 'rich guy go-fast cars'. It's crazy how much pride people take in their 296, which is an amazing car. But like all it requires is you need to be a rich guy."
– Doug DeMuro [08:01]

On the Montana Registration Scam

"If you’re gonna run the scam, don’t put the plate in the video that gets 40 million views."
– Matt Farah [55:57]

“Whistlin upsets some people. Not me. I love him dearly, but there are people who he upsets. And so they're gonna call... ‘Hey, you should check him out’.”
– Doug DeMuro [56:27]

"Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. ...Just shut up and pay the bill and go."
– Matt Farah & Doug DeMuro [64:19, 64:33]

On Poster Cars and Colors

"I always get my cars in the poster color. Always."
– Doug DeMuro [65:58]

"In my mind, there isn't a 993 Turbo that isn't Arena [Red]."
– Doug DeMuro [66:43]

"Possibly the most iconic Porsche ad of all time."
– Matt Farah, discussing the ‘Kills Bugs Fast’ campaign [67:17]

On Garage Quirkiness and Car Storage

“I intentionally limited it to 4 [garage spaces] because I wanted to limit myself… and then instantly bought a fifth car, which is idiotic.”
– Doug DeMuro [38:02]

"We learned you can't open a Murciélago door underneath the lift at all."
– Matt Farah [44:39]

On Car Values and Market Surges

"Challenge Stradales are half-million-dollar cars. That’s a crazy overvaluation for a 360."
– Matt Farah [75:00]

"430 Scuds… you can still get one for $275k. Next year, they're gonna be $500k cars."
– Doug DeMuro [74:48]

On the Joy of Actually Driving

"My dream is to depreciate a Ferrari F40 to nothing. That's the dream."
– Matt Farah [54:34]

"I think about that a lot. I would love to drive my Carrera GT or an F40 like I drive my Ford GT—just like, use it."
– Doug DeMuro [55:08]

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Engaging Highlights & Memorable Banter

• Car Storage and Space: Both Doug and Matt have far fewer garage spaces than people assume—Doug intentionally limited his new garage to keep his habit under control; Matt converted a triple garage to gym space.
• Sequoia TRD Pro Roast: Doug roasts his own SUV: “The Sequoia is... I have Trump's face printed on my personal checks car. It's my personality. It’s a little much. And I regret it.” [23:00]
• Countach Project Trials: Matt’s Countach restoration saga involves Italian bureaucracy, missing parts, and a comedic attitude toward the challenge—“We are going to find out something is missing. We just don’t know what it is.”
• Auction Inside Baseball: Doug’s auction tip—“Whenever people say ‘reserve is off’, that kills bidding.” [80:44]
• Manual-Swap Ferrari 599: The pair agree that a manual-swapped 599 GTB is a way to get tremendous value and experience: “You’re driving around for $140K in a manual V12 Ferrari. Meanwhile, a 550 Maranello is a $200K car and is slower!” [79:56]

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Timestamps for Must-Listen Segments

• [03:18] – Car collection costs and the joy/investment duality
• [05:12] – Opportunity costs & the honest math of car ownership
• [07:00] – The shift toward "easy" modern cars and Doug’s “rich guy go-fast cars” theory
• [09:07] – Doug’s 993 Turbo: Use case and driving enjoyment
• [40:56] – Owning & running a used Porsche Taycan
• [54:34] – The dream vs. reality: Depreciating an F40, driving rare cars fearlessly
• [55:39] – The WhistlinDiesel Montana license registration controversy
• [65:58] – Doug’s poster car color philosophy
• [79:53] – 599 GTB manual swap value vs. modern collectibles
• [109:29] – Are enthusiast auctions being watered down?

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Closing Thoughts

With sharp wit, humility, and unfiltered opinions, Matt, Zack, and Doug deliver an episode packed with insight into the realities of car collecting and enthusiast culture. The show is as much about the “why” of old cars as the “how much” (both in dollars and in joy). Their combination of laughter and candor ensures listeners are both entertained and informed—whether they're plotting their first classic or their next five-car garage build.

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Note: All timestamps are approximate and refer to elapsed podcast minutes/seconds for listeners’ easy reference.

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

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[Doug DeMuro]

I'm so happy to be here.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I'm so happy you are here, Zach. Do we exist?

[Zach]

We exist.

[Matt Farah]

Great.

[Doug DeMuro]

Patreon folks are listening to us right now.

[Matt Farah]

The drinking game. The Doug DeMuro candy drinking game.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm gonna tell you the truth.

[Matt Farah]

Seriously?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, I seriously. I don't eat this stuff anymore, but I'm here, and it's like a tradition.

[Matt Farah]

You look thin. You look thin.

[Doug DeMuro]

I play tennis every day now.

[Matt Farah]

Good for you.

[Doug DeMuro]

My goal is to beat Spike Farriston.

[Matt Farah]

He is like, an unhealthy tennis. Like I think he is. I think he has a problem. He has a problem.

[Doug DeMuro]

I. It gets like that. I feel like I. That I'm the same. I like. It's like it, like pulses in me. Like I'm walking around thinking, why am I playing tennis?

[Matt Farah]

Spike is. You know, Spike's like a recovering addict. Like, he was like, a cokehead. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you think this has filled the void?

[Matt Farah]

He's sober. He's sober now, but he was like, he was an alcoholic, and A cokehead back in the day. And he will tell, you know, sort of. I think they're toned down versions of the actual stories. But he's not, like, he won't not talk about it. But yeah, he's, you know, him and Zuckerman, they're like their ex junkies, so they just have re.

[Zach]

Zuckerman.

[Doug DeMuro]

I can see they've put it into Porsches and tennis.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, like Zuckerman. I had just interviewed him for a thing about, like a story I'm doing for Road and Track about, like, what are the logistics of having a big car collection? And I asked, like, Zuckerman, like, you know, what his.

[Doug DeMuro]

How many cars do you have?

[Matt Farah]

He was like, I'm in total denial. He's like, my accountant knows to tell me when to stop, but until then I have absolutely. I was like, so what, you know, what do you spend a year on? Buildings and maintenance? He says, I don't have the first clue. Whatever it costs, I just don't know. He said, don't. This is the same as drugs.

[Doug DeMuro]

People just.

[Matt Farah]

It's just a little more societally acceptable.

[Doug DeMuro]

How many cars does he have?

[Matt Farah]

My guess would be like somewhere in the 20s, between 20 and 30.

[Doug DeMuro]

What are the logistics? Are you divulging or are we not? Is there a press embargo on this? I mean, I've always wondered about this because I.

[Matt Farah]

You probably could guess the long and store. The long and short of it is it's, it's, it scales linearly. It's about in la, assuming it's a car that's like of reasonable reliability, right? Not counting like shit breaking all the time, but like the care and feeding in LA of a car, it's like about 12 GS a year per car scales linearly. So some of these folks that have.

[Doug DeMuro]

Collections, right, so you can figure 20 cars and that. We're not talking about the purchase price and all that.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, no. This is annual dues. These are your dues.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is why everybody who's like, oh, this car appreciated in value and all did it.

[Matt Farah]

That's the other thing that Zuckerman said. He said anyone who does the complete math is fucking delusion.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's rare. I, I did the impossible. I did the complete math on my Courier gt and the guy who owned it, if the guy who owned it second had kept it and sold it to me, he would have beaten the S and P even including all of his expenses, including fuel.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, I saw that clip about.

[Zach]

Like Wyclef Jean, the Cars he sold in the early 2000s, like McLaren F1, 918 and a Zonda, it all would have been worth, like, $30 million. And he sold it all for, like, 1.5.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But he probably made money at it at that act, I think, at the time. He got good prices for those cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Everybody thinks they're genius when they make 100 gr on a car.

[Matt Farah]

Like, the greatest thing ever. You make a dime, you're a genius. The percentage, if you. If you are honest with math and make a clear nickel, you're a genius. You're in such a small. So small company. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Although, then you have to start thinking about opportunity cost, because I'm way up on my Ford gt, but if I had put any of that money into the stock market, I would have been way more up.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you. There's. There's. There's components to all that stuff, right?

[Matt Farah]

Sure. No, you. I don't think it's fair to compare cars to stocks or. Yeah, I just.

[Doug DeMuro]

But only to do that when people do talk about, oh, I, you know, I owe this car returned so much for me. People say stuff like that all the time, and it's like. Well, not really.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, not really, but. And, of course, the joy of owning the car delivers value that has a value in a way that a stock doesn't.

[Doug DeMuro]

I've driven that Ford GT 14,000 miles, and there's value to that.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

As opposed to the stock market, where there's not really that much value. Although there is some.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, number go up feels good.

[Doug DeMuro]

Number go up feels good.

[Matt Farah]

It does. Number go up feels good in a car, too. Like, and we have, like, we. Like, we. It's. I was just talking about this with 918s because I just got to drive this 9181000 miles, and it was Porsche's 918 because, dude, it's like the best 918 because it's unsellable.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. So, like, you can do whatever you want.

[Matt Farah]

The pure. The pureness of the experience. This. This only makes any sense for the thing that I'm doing and not for any money down the line. That's fucking pure motoring.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it is also an automatic hybrid like the Prius.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Terrible car. It's a piece of shit. Yeah. It's garbage.

[Doug DeMuro]

You'd rather have a courage team.

[Matt Farah]

I would. Of course I would.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's good. I'm glad. I'm glad to hear that.

[Matt Farah]

Of course I would.

[Doug DeMuro]

The market doesn't agree.

[Matt Farah]

Of course I would. That's it's weird. That's weird. I think, I think people are. Some people are legitimately afraid of Carrera GT.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's that. I think also the 918 makes it easy.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I think it's been surprising to me how many people. It's been sad to me a little as a guy who likes cars that are hard. Like my three sports. Now four. But the three. My three main sports cars are hard to use and to own. And I like that. And it's been a little sad to me how people have seemingly kind of gravitated. There's still a huge market for those cars. But there's. People have kind of gravitated towards the cars that are easy.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, but totally.

[Zach]

And mas. I mean when the DCTs came out and everyone was like 96% of Ferrari buyers just skipped the manual.

[Doug DeMuro]

That was the buddy.

[Matt Farah]

What's the sad part is that people still treat them as like a treasured collectible when Ferrari and Lamborghini and Porsche have gone so far out of their way to make them totally volume cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Daily driver volume cars. Like that's such a good point of engineering they put into making this thing usable daily. So when people are talking about like, oh, I daily my wah wah. Like that's the easiest.

[Doug DeMuro]

I have this theory that I call those. All those cars rich guy go fast cars.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it is crazy to me how much pride people take in their 296, which is an amazing car. But like all it requires is you need to be a rich guy. Like it requires nothing like, like trying to buy an older Ferrari. You have to know a lot, you have to understand a lot. You have to realize there's going to be some issues. You have to. You have to drive it a certain way. Like there are. There's things that have to be done that is like real enthusiasm. These people.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

They get so excited about like this brand new car that what occurred you. You paid money, money for a thing.

[Matt Farah]

And now you're afraid to put miles on it to lose money. Like, what are you doing? Like. Right. That's when it gets really fucking dumb.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I get that you would only put maybe so many miles on a car because it's not for every experience. Like you are. Like you just said, you just bought this 993 Turbo exclus for the drive between Los Angeles and San Diego.

[Doug DeMuro]

I believe how much I've driven that car, which is such a niche use.

[Matt Farah]

Case that I would kind of have like I complained about the fact that the Meyers Manx can overheat on the highway and people are like, oh, what a piece of shit. I'm like, I've now driven a thousand miles without touching a highway. What is the problem? I didn't request that in this car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Ultimately you have to. You can have some very specific use cases and still really enjoy these cars. I also can take my kids in it, which is really cool. I will say on the topic of me complaining about people preferring cars that are easy, since I bought that car, I haven't driven the other cars all that much easier. I've only driven the Countach like twice.

[Matt Farah]

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[Doug DeMuro]

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[Zach]

Which cars have warning lights currently.

[Doug DeMuro]

Actually, none of my cars do. The Courier GT has very sensitive tire pressure monitors. And so there's always. I'll often get in that car and it'll say that I need to top up the tire by adding, adding 93 psi. Very sensitive.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

I think I just unseated one of the monitors. In my car because I had a light on if you're hitting a very big bump. And I have a track day on Wednesday, so should be good.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, I do like tire. I was thinking about it today. I was driving up here and I was like, I have no idea what the tire pressures are. And it's kind of nice to have the monitoring system.

[Matt Farah]

On Thanksgiving, I was at my Uncle Phil's place in Long island. And he has a Genesis G90 that he's in love with. White on cocaine. White.

[Doug DeMuro]

Damn.

[Matt Farah]

And he does not do enough to keep that white leather looking good. This car is like six months old. And I don't know what's on his hands, but damn. But he was like, matt, the tire warning light keeps coming on. I just took it to the tire shop. They said it was fine. I go out there and Two of his four tires are like 10 psi low. Like, Jesus, Uncle Phil. I'm glad to have the lights.

[Doug DeMuro]

Uncle phil driving a G90.

[Matt Farah]

Uncle Phil, this is low pressure.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a North Shore man.

[Matt Farah]

I assume south, the southest of shores. Long Beach, New York.

[Doug DeMuro]

He is. He is flexing on all the South Shore people with his G90.

[Matt Farah]

A G90. Might as well be a Bentley. He's ripping down there.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's awesome.

[Matt Farah]

Uncle Phil just gave us a free Mercedes.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

He gave us an E320 cabin.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, 124.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Scruffy. Scruffy. But are the homie at CMS Motorsports. Have you met Shant Builds the crazy Euro at Car Week. He had the white shooting brake. Oh, yeah, yeah. We're gonna build the E500 cabriolet that never existed.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, and like, keep it nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You're not like. Not like Lorenzer.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like, it'll look like you're not gonna put some stupid wheels on it like you did with that NSX.

[Matt Farah]

No, we're gonna put E500 wheels on it. Okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

You promised me.

[Matt Farah]

I took. Yeah, and I just took the. Put the NSX wheels back on, the stock wheels back on. Because it's going on cars and bits.

[Doug DeMuro]

Did you know this? He's selling his nsx.

[Zach]

I did. Yeah, I do.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a major event.

[Matt Farah]

I have had such a problem getting the original lug nuts for this car. Cause the aftermarket wheels I got black lug nuts to match. I didn't keep the original.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is what happens when you modify cars. Screw everything up.

[Matt Farah]

Parts geek, which is a pretty mainstream parts website, fucked me so hard on this, they made my package disappear and couldn't give less of a fuck about it. And their fucking AI customer service is the perfect example of the AI bubble being fucking about to burst.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, you think that's over? You think that's coming to an end?

[Matt Farah]

No, it's not. It's getting bigger, but it's just trash.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why are you selling this car? This is a great. This is a fixed headlight.

[Matt Farah]

Because blue you, you were talking about. It's not blue. It's silver. Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Should be blue. If it was blue, you'd be keeping it.

[Matt Farah]

You just said that you man of means, Doug demuro are pretty much like limited by space. Yeah, as am I. Even with places like this.

[Doug DeMuro]

What do you mean you're limited by space?

[Matt Farah]

I am like, same kind of opportunity cost. Every space I take up, you know, is. It's like 1212. How do you that math wasn't accidental? I know what I charge.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, because it's opportunity cost for you. Because you could be renting that space.

[Matt Farah]

Both of my facilities are like overflowing waiting list. And I just got the man. I'm using it whenever I can as a daily. It's so much fun.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, that's little though. That doesn't take up that much space.

[Matt Farah]

No, it is. No, it doesn't.

[Doug DeMuro]

But like, what do you have at your house? You got a garage? You got a two car garage there?

[Matt Farah]

I have a one car garage in my house.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Because I converted a three car garage into a gym with one bay with a glass.

[Zach]

But you have a four car driveway.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, no, I have a driveway. So like Hannah's car sits outside.

[Doug DeMuro]

You took a three car garage and you converted it into a one car garage.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Why would you. I don't need to keep that many cars at home. I know, but. No, but you're.

[Doug DeMuro]

Now you're talking about opportunity cost. You're selling the NSX that I have jealously.

[Matt Farah]

Why don't you buy it? You could buy it.

[Doug DeMuro]

I can't have any more. I can't have any more cars. I think Zucker, I think you could.

[Zach]

Buy the car and store it here.

[Doug DeMuro]

Suddenly you're making money and you gotta keep it.

[Matt Farah]

I make the price for you.

[Doug DeMuro]

I can't have any more cars. I just got. This is my, my fifth fun car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it's too many.

[Matt Farah]

And, and what's the total across family?

[Doug DeMuro]

We have seven cars, but two of them are dailies.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

And then there's five, including Nantucket car that Mike. The car that I keep on Nantucket. I actually Keep here. I ship it back at my convertible G wagon.

[Matt Farah]

All right, cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

Pull that up. You get any pictures of that?

[Matt Farah]

You were way ahead on the convertible G wagon. I have another friend who currently has owns three of them.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's too many, which is crazy.

[Matt Farah]

I actually.

[Doug DeMuro]

Too many convertible.

[Matt Farah]

This car has aged so fucking well.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's crazy, you know, I will say, though, I disavow all other people who have anything to do with this car. People come up to me on Nantucket and they're like, that is so cool. And I'll be like, get away from me. Because the kind of person who wants to say that to me, I instantly. My ears are up. I'm like, this person's gonna be the worst Florida person I've ever met in my entire life. Where do I get one of those?

[Matt Farah]

You don't.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't want any part of this.

[Zach]

You know, I had a sidekick once. Is this like that from Germany?

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, when people say that to me, I'm so into it.

[Matt Farah]

What?

[Doug DeMuro]

Someone came up to me and said that to me. He was in a. He was in a Grand Cherokee, the 99 to 04 Grand Cherokee. And he came up to me, and I think he thought he was being, like, playful, like, oh, is that a sidekick? Ha ha. And I was like, yeah, it's just an expensive sidekick. And then I was like, nice 4 liter in his jeep, you know? And then he was like, oh, damn, this guy real.

[Zach]

This guy offra. Wait, why do you get mad?

[Matt Farah]

This is the only time anyone's ever said N4 liter.

[Doug DeMuro]

That was exactly right. That was a great motor, though.

[Zach]

Why do you get mad when people go up and they're into this car? Because you want to gatekeep?

[Doug DeMuro]

Because. No, because my assumption, when someone is into this car, they're into it. They're very rarely enthusiasts. They're into it because they have a purple G63 back home in South Florida.

[Matt Farah]

As a fashion statement.

[Doug DeMuro]

As a fashion statement. And they want to get one of these, and they want to have a conversation about, like, how much money they can spend in order to convert their car to this.

[Zach]

They don't like it for the reasons you like it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I'm like, I just don't like. And it's fine. G Wagon people.

[Matt Farah]

Definitely not gatekeeping those people.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, no.

[Matt Farah]

Those.

[Zach]

He liked these before. They were popular.

[Doug DeMuro]

Those people are fine. I'm cool with those people. I just don't want to assault people who have new G wagons and like, and just kind of live in that world. I'm good. I don't want any part of that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Even when I drive the new ones, I really feel like a dick. You just. You get in it and you. That. And that door goes clack and you go.

[Doug DeMuro]

Which is a shame because it's an amazing car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's a really good, like, city. City suv. It's little short wheelbase, good visibility, decent ride.

[Doug DeMuro]

It goes over everything.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

But you gotta have no shame.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And nobody will let you fucking merge, dude.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nobody will let you merge. You know, another thing about it, when.

[Matt Farah]

You drive one, you're the problem with society.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's right. Yes. Another thing about it also, that I don't like when people come up to me is it reminds me of how I am perceived. Like, when I drive it, I think to myself, I'm driving this cool truck, old vintage truck, but then someone comes up to me and they're like, oh, man, I got three purple G63s. That's. I want one of these.

[Zach]

Awesome.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, no. This is how people think of me.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's.

[Doug DeMuro]

I like to pretend like people think of me as some cool old truck guy when I'm in this, but they don't.

[Zach]

Doug, I just want just to remind you in the audience that in the last 12 minutes, you've said that you're addicted to tennis and you like to drive your convertible G wagon on Nantucket. And you're like, I don't understand why people don't see me as a truck person.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, a truck guy. I also don't forget the man of the people get nerdy Pro Sequoia.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, That's a really bold move. That's the affliction shirt of SUVs right there. I. I got one as a press car, and I got up and climbed in it and closed the door and went where? What UFC fight did I just walk into? The interior of that car was designed by Dana White. Dude, that is so crazy. So true.

[Doug DeMuro]

Because I've. That's exactly how I feel about it. And we were in Joshua Tree this week, and I saw a couple of them on the road, and I saw the mods they had done, the vanity plates they had, and the people who were driving. And after, like, the third one, I said to my wife, we gotta sell this car.

[Zach]

What year is yours?

[Doug DeMuro]

That's mine. There's the camo seats.

[Matt Farah]

No, but you have to make sure that's not tr. Is that trd?

[Doug DeMuro]

That is a TRD Pro with the giant Toyota logo on The Toyota logo.

[Matt Farah]

Everything on this is even Enormous. It's designed for people with hands that are 1.5x human hand size.

[Doug DeMuro]

I. I regret things about it. I regret things about it.

[Matt Farah]

The person who drives this truck buys magnums and does not need them.

[Doug DeMuro]

It does look like J. White designed the interior. That is so accurate. That's exactly what it is.

[Matt Farah]

It is.

[Doug DeMuro]

It is the most Republican thing I could imagine. Like, and by the way, this is the photo of Akio in the blue bag of gear.

[Matt Farah]

That's this.

[Doug DeMuro]

You go, thank people.

[Matt Farah]

Someone sent me that thing. And they're like, dude, what the fuck, Toyota? I should just be like, have you seen the TRD Pro?

[Doug DeMuro]

That is exactly this.

[Zach]

He.

[Doug DeMuro]

He commissioned this car. It's so bad. And. And it's. There's other problems too. It's not just the interior. You know, I have camo fenders also. When you start it, they don't have to do this, but when you start it. And I've discovered something. The emissions regulations are based on how it's idling after 30 seconds. And so it can go for 26 seconds. And it does. And I'm like, my wife is driving. Our nanny is driving, our kids around. I'm like, this is the most embarrassing thing, guys.

[Matt Farah]

We get 26 seconds of glub glub. How can we make this engine maximally glub glub.

[Doug DeMuro]

Now I don't have a problem. That's insane. Obviously, I don't have a problem.

[Matt Farah]

By the way, that racing driver is making the Mike Myers face.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, my God. That is exactly. He's like, oh, God, there's gonna be photos. I don't mind driving a Republican car. My Mercedes station wagon is a Republican car. But it's. It's Mitt Romney Republican.

[Matt Farah]

Some would say it was socialist. They'd be wrong.

[Doug DeMuro]

But this, the Sequoia is a. I have Trump's face printed on my personal checks card. Like, this is my personality. It's a little much. It's a little much. It's a lot. And I regret it.

[Matt Farah]

But your truck credentials are not in question.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's right, dude. Because I drive this cross country every summer in Nantucket. When I pull up at a gas station, Oklahoma. Driving this, people are. You guys are.

[Matt Farah]

Hey, man. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That's a whoop.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a shame. I gotta get rid of it. I gotta get. What I want is the LX700H overtrail. Have you spent time in one of these?

[Matt Farah]

I haven't driven one yet. My dad just got a Lexus TX500H and really likes it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Those Are fast.

[Matt Farah]

It is fast, actually. And you got. But it's like matte gray. He must have just been on the lot. He would never have ordered this. But it's pretty cool, actually.

[Doug DeMuro]

There it is. There's my overtro.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah. That's definitely a little more tasteful, though.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's more tasteful in the way that I try to be more tasteful.

[Matt Farah]

That's also. People have asked me the difference between a Land Cruiser and a 4Runner, and it's literally the difference between, like, this and the Sequoia is like, do you want to, like, fucking. You know, one is like regular people.

[Doug DeMuro]

And one is like, is. That is literally the difference, which is why I continually disrespect the new land cruise. I hate it. But, like, this is the only way to get a 300 series in the US and I. It's the same motor. Now they've put the Sequoia's motor, which I love, into the 300. And so it's like the combination of everything I've ever wanted.

[Zach]

Does it have camo seats?

[Doug DeMuro]

Thank God. No.

[Matt Farah]

It does have a cow pattern.

[Zach]

Maybe that's.

[Doug DeMuro]

That is the ugliest grill in the car industry.

[Matt Farah]

I. This. I think this is better than the previous generation.

[Doug DeMuro]

I agree with this. Where they grafted an ugly grill onto an existing car, at least this was kind of designed around it.

[Matt Farah]

That was brutally bad.

[Doug DeMuro]

But this isn't exactly good.

[Matt Farah]

Whoa. It's worse in chrome.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's worse than me. The overtrail is the best of them, but none is good.

[Matt Farah]

It's literally a giant shaver.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's exactly what. And then you have to put a license plate somewhere in there. Oh, yeah, somewhere. And I'll tell you something. The license plate isn't as big as the license plate is. Only about the size of the Lexus load. Like, you can kind of pick and choose where you want to stick that, but there's no good place for it. It's a bad situation.

[Zach]

This is definitely the Gillette bracket. This is the Gillette edition.

[Matt Farah]

That's bad, isn't it?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Cars that look the most like shavers. Yeah. This versus the cybertruck. If we're just looking at, you know, front axle only and forward only, It's a tie.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, I was driving on the freeway today, the 405 there, and, boy, it hit me because I passed a few cybertrucks. That has fallen out of fashion quick.

[Matt Farah]

You know where you see it? Holy shit. If you drive. If you drive from here to my other store, west Cyclade across the South Bay. You drive right past SpaceX. SpaceX bought a fucking ton of them. The couple of blocks, circular economy, dude, the couple. The couple of SpaceX around. The couple. Excuse me, A couple of blocks around SpaceX and around the Hawthorne airport, which is where SpaceX is, there's a million cyber trucks now with fucking the VIN numbers on the side. Like the four digit or five digit, last five. They're just, just running them around that he just sold a fucking thousand of them to himself.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean they don't sell anymore. You saw Ford's canceling the Lightning or it's been rumored that they're.

[Matt Farah]

I saw you talk about that in that clip in your podcast. Was it your podcast or Hoover's podcast? Yeah, Hoover was there and yeah, his video of failing to tow with it, that's. Which is kind of a bummer. I thought the Lightning was a good truck if you're not towing. I mean, like I thought there was a use case.

[Doug DeMuro]

It is interesting though. What I've learned from this is that the market was there for electric three rows SUV's.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

But everyone went after pickups for some reason.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And everybody comes up to me. All my neighbor. And granted we live in California and so it's. You're gonna get a specific selection of people. But all my neighbors, hey, I want to get electric three row. What do I get? Well, your options are basically the R1s and the EV9. Like that's at this point that's currently like in the model X.

[Matt Farah]

In six months maybe.

[Doug DeMuro]

But that's the current. It's currently not a three row.

[Matt Farah]

Oh really? Oh that. They're, they're working on it.

[Doug DeMuro]

My presumption is it will be a three row. It's longer than before, but. But for some reason they all went after trucks. And there was a contingent who wanted electric trucks, but it seems like they got them.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Do you think they were trying to go like they went sedans with lucid and model S and everything and they're like, all right, we got, I mean blanket statement like we got the left or a lot of them. If we go trucks, we kind of bookend the population and then we can squeeze.

[Doug DeMuro]

They see the truck market which is massive and so it makes sense to want to go after it. But I think they, I think maybe in perhaps attempting to do that, they didn't really think over who was actually buying ev. Like are these people really gonna be doing this?

[Matt Farah]

It was like the Harley making an electric bike. Like they didn't Realize people who wanted Harleys and the people who wanted electric motorcycles are like opposite people. They could have also to their potentially good natured credit been going these are the dirtiest things we make, these are the worst fuel economy, the most whatever. So if we electrify that segment we could do a lot more that I.

[Doug DeMuro]

Guess they also probably did market research and discovered that an enormous number of their consumers would be fine in an electric truck. But that doesn't mean that they are.

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[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, I've talked, I've tried to talk so many people into one of these or some other electric vehicle who are just like not ready either for political reasons or because they don't. They're afraid their lifestyle, whatever.

[Matt Farah]

I just, I told at this past Thanksgiving I told my mom, my mom and dad both have plug in hybrids now and are like obsessed with how efficient and Great. What's Momotherapy Q5 Hybrid.

[Doug DeMuro]

Q5 Plug in Hybrid.

[Matt Farah]

Q5 Plug in Hybrid. Yeah. And dad's got the Cayenne and a TX508. Yeah, that's in South Carolina which is a non plug in hybrid.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh yeah, that's right.

[Matt Farah]

He didn't want to plug in for down there. Whatever. But anyway no plugs. But they, both of them would be 100% fine with full electric. And I don't give a shit. But I just like, I point out their math. I'm like your car, mom, your car makes, has 35 miles of electric range. I was like this, this says that you've driven 4,000 miles on this tank of gas.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, right.

[Matt Farah]

Like you, you do not use gas.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like you clearly you, you get by.

[Matt Farah]

With 10% of the rate.

[Doug DeMuro]

You could almost just have an EV with a 35 mile range. So you're gonna I, mi F and B. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

You could have the worst EV ever and you still would never use gas.

[Doug DeMuro]

They don't, they don't ever take, they don't ever drive down to South Carolina down there.

[Matt Farah]

They, they did when they, when they would send, you know when they'd get a use a new car and they would send their, their used car to south. Right now they've just got, they've got cars down there and they don't.

[Doug DeMuro]

Where in South Carolina is this?

[Matt Farah]

It's near Hilton Head. What's that between Hilton Head? It's between, between Hilton Head and Beaufort.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you ever worry about the hurricane.

[Matt Farah]

Head Concords this year was good.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you ever worry about the hurricane situation?

[Matt Farah]

I mean. No, not with their, not with their home. No. Their home is fucking. No, they got, dude, they got the crazy windows and shit. Now they got the.

[Doug DeMuro]

Are they like on the ocean here?

[Matt Farah]

They're on a marsh.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Farah]

It's not facing open ocean, it's a marsh facing a bay that leads to.

[Zach]

It with trees as well. Like there's some trees.

[Doug DeMuro]

They got any celebrity neighbors?

[Matt Farah]

No, not really. No. No, Their neighbors are very boring. They're very, very boring.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, they're not boring. Their son is Matt Feyre, the Pendulum.

[Matt Farah]

God, aren't your fucking. Are your folks alive?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, my folks.

[Matt Farah]

Aren't they boring?

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, God, yeah. That's a good point.

[Zach]

Or are you the boring one? And they're super excited.

[Doug DeMuro]

I have become more boring.

[Matt Farah]

So we all have.

[Doug DeMuro]

I bought a lot of bonds recently and I was kind of excited to do it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I'm like, damn.

[Matt Farah]

Like, ooh.

[Doug DeMuro]

My kids are not gonna think I'm.

[Matt Farah]

Gonna start getting really interested in like your home decor and like little bolt. That's when you get really bored. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait. Okay, back to cars. So you said you got. You've got seven, but two dailies.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That's pretty good. Oh yeah, that's pretty good.

[Doug DeMuro]

How many cars do you have?

[Matt Farah]

Between me and my wife, nine. But we're gonna.

[Doug DeMuro]

We need to go minus get rid of the nsx.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, I need to go minus one. That's. It's. It's. We need to.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think seven's too many. I actually so we probably. Between the last time I was here and now, I built a four car garage at my home and I intentionally limit it to 4. I could have gotten more, but I intentionally limit it to 4 because I wanted to limit myself.

[Matt Farah]

You're gonna put lifts in the garage?

[Doug DeMuro]

It has lift. It's 2 and 2.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, 2 and 2.

[Doug DeMuro]

I instantly went out and bought a fifth car, which is idiotic and I already kind of regret it. Like, I can't imagine getting rid of one of my five children.

[Matt Farah]

And do you keep cars at the office too?

[Doug DeMuro]

In the bunker? Right. And right now I have that ability, but I won't forever.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I was kind of trying to future proof, but also I just like five becomes to me. Me especially dealing with two little kids and, you know, two houses and my. Just everything that's going on in life. Five becomes to me a little bit too much work.

[Matt Farah]

If you're dealing with them yourself.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, right. Which I am.

[Matt Farah]

Absolutely is. If you lived across the street here and kept five cars with me, it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wouldn'T be what you send people's cars off to the service Places, we do everything.

[Matt Farah]

Really? Yeah, we're full.

[Doug DeMuro]

So if I said to you hey.

[Matt Farah]

Man, my customers don't do they call, they text and the car is ready when they show.

[Doug DeMuro]

How do I get into that racket?

[Matt Farah]

It's I wish it was a racket. Is the blue collar is shit. It's, it's sucking up to rich people and doing low level just moving cars around. It's not glamorous.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it looks like. What do you mean it's not glamorous? I go down. There's million dollar cars. There are million dollar cars.

[Matt Farah]

But the job's not glamorous though. But it's, it's pretty.

[Doug DeMuro]

How come you haven't sold this to private equity? Equity. Have they called?

[Matt Farah]

Huh?

[Doug DeMuro]

Have they called?

[Matt Farah]

No, it's not that good of a business. No, it's not that good. It's a good business for an individual. It's not some good. It's not does not something that needs.

[Doug DeMuro]

It'S not something that could like scale.

[Matt Farah]

And I have no interest in it. I have interest in collecting rent for the rest of my natural.

[Doug DeMuro]

I know but you've got to do stuff.

[Matt Farah]

I, I, dude, this is.

[Doug DeMuro]

What if the rent you collected was the bonds? The bonds pay your rent and you don't have to do anything and you could keep your nsx.

[Matt Farah]

I don't.

[Doug DeMuro]

You could have a gym and a three car garage.

[Zach]

You wouldn't be able to store it.

[Matt Farah]

No, listen, you also know on top the nsx. Nsx. I never actually I never thought that was gonna be a forever car. It wasn't necessarily poster car. That car lived here with my customer for two years. He drove it very little. And when he it's such a nice car. It just hit 20,000 miles. There's still, the plastic is still on the pedals and it's beautiful. And this guy was willing to sell it to me for a price that I was very happy with. I'd always wanted to own one. One. I've done like 3,500 miles in it. I've, I've, I, that's enough to get to know an NSX.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep. 35 miles.

[Matt Farah]

Pretty good.

[Doug DeMuro]

No shade and for plus you're selling on cars and bids. The most important part dude and for.

[Matt Farah]

Short for I thought it would be a fun like cruise around town thing. I never really used it for that. I, I, I, the Manx is for that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, whatever. The cruise around town in a loud open roof vehicle that attracts an enormous amount of attention. That's what we want to do.

[Matt Farah]

Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what you do did that. We all talk about all my friends. You went and bought one of those used Taycans.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like, we see them sell.

[Matt Farah]

It's worked out so well.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The car's fucking great.

[Doug DeMuro]

Are you not concerned about the next round of depreciation? I mean, like, it's still. It's not like it slowed down.

[Matt Farah]

I mean. No, you're right. Am I concerned? Like, no. I'm doing it for. I'm doing it for educational purposes and business experimentation purposes. And like my friends and I talked about.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm not gonna lose.

[Matt Farah]

I can't. I can't possibly lose as much as the first guy lost. I'm not gonna sell it for zero. Right. To lose as much as the first guy lost, I would have to pay somebody. I would have to burn it to the ground. No insurance. Right. Zero. Right. You know what I mean? So that won't happen.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

And in the meantime, like, it's a really nice car. It works perfectly.

[Doug DeMuro]

You haven't had problems?

[Matt Farah]

I had one. One small hiccup that did not prevent me from driving it or using it in at all.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. I. All my buddies talk about it because these EVs, these used EVs are incredible. And used cars in general, the market has started to become normal again, where used cars are, like, depreciating again. And you look at these things, especially the wagon, and you're like, you know, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Dude is so sweet.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right?

[Matt Farah]

Especially, like. I mean, for the thing that I do with it, which is cruise around town and drive it on the highway. Like, I don't need it to be like a super, super crazy thing, I would say, you know, depending on your use case. Like, be realistic. Like, ours is Not Performance Battery Plus. So the real range is about 220, which for some people, that's not enough. For me, fine, don't give a shit. But for some people, that wouldn't be enough.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, you got nine cars. If you're running out of range, you're just getting the Manx.

[Zach]

He lines them up for like a thousand miles and drives one and runs out, jumps in the other one, another one.

[Doug DeMuro]

And then he has a guy, I come and fill them all up so you can.

[Matt Farah]

It's like Joe Pesci in Casino.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Parking garages like that.

[Matt Farah]

Like going back to our friend Paul Zuckerman. He has no daily. You know that. That's how he. That's how he lives his life. No daily driver at a time.

[Doug DeMuro]

If I had enough money and no children, I would probably do that like my Ford gt, I use my cars as frequently as a person would use cars like this. Yeah, the Countach, like, I don't have any. I rotate through all of them. I drive basically all of them every single week.

[Matt Farah]

The Countach, it kind of feels like it should be a fifth car, but you have use it more like a second car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. You have to use it, and you.

[Matt Farah]

Can tell the difference. If it sits for one week, two.

[Doug DeMuro]

Weeks, or three weeks, I have never let it sit for that long. Now, when I go away for the summer, it sits, but I have someone start it and run it up to temp. But I. Since I have owned that car, I have never let it sit maybe a week, I guess, out of town for travel. But even then, I don't really travel anymore.

[Matt Farah]

Maybe a week. So I drive it all the time. So in the stackers, Countach, downstairs, Countach is up.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I have a room with my stackers that I have no excuse to not take the up. Like, if I walk into my garage that day and I want to take the up car, I just do it. I keep down below. I keep the Ford GT and now the 993, which are pretty easy cars to just start, move out of the way. It's no big deal. And so if that's what I'm feeling, then that's what I do. Boom. And I have never. It takes two minutes. Like, realistically, it is annoying, but are.

[Matt Farah]

You still any barrier? Sometimes you walk in the garage, you go, I don't have the fucking energy right now.

[Doug DeMuro]

And the Countach needs to be up for that reason. It also needs to be up because when the G wagon is in there, it won't. Like, the G wagon can't sit above it because the door of the Countach won't go up. There's more to it than I realized. The Ford GT has to be on the left side. Because the door of the Ford gt, you have to open it an enormous amount in order to get out of the car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. We had to be very. We learned. Unfortunately, we learned the hard way, and it was a very understanding customer. But we learned you can't open a mercy door underneath.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Underneath the lift at all. And we had. It was. Fortunately, it was just a tiny little paint chip. It just, like, tapped, and we fixed it. And then the guy was cool, like, whatever, you know, you gotta learn somehow. But I was surprised that you literally could not open the door.

[Doug DeMuro]

And my ceiling is only tall.

[Matt Farah]

Vent the door as you can, man.

[Doug DeMuro]

My ceiling is tall enough for two sports cars to fit, no problem. But a sports car, suv, they fit. It's just tight. And so I didn't really think about it. So I pulled the Countach one day under the G Wagon, and I opened the door, and it didn't. I knew it was. I opened the door, and I was careful with it, but it wouldn't open far enough for me to get out of the car. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

And you know, it's actually really out the window, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

It's like, all right, I'm shutting the door, backing out, and we're doing something else. It's sad, though, because the Countach, therefore, I never really get to see it. It's always up, right? And that's like, to me, that's kind of sad. Unless the G Wagon is out for service, the Countach is above.

[Matt Farah]

When mine was working, I would arrange for it to be parked directly outside view of my office so I could just look over my shoulder and see.

[Doug DeMuro]

It all the time. I put a giant print of the Countach that my buddy and my photographer Nick took in Big Sur, like, the car with Big Sur behind me, and so I can look at, like, eye level in my garage.

[Matt Farah]

Did you see the one out?

[Doug DeMuro]

The one I have in the hall? Let's talk about your Countach.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

How we doing?

[Matt Farah]

What I'm doing. The engine and gearbox have returned from Italy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Did you have to pay tariffs?

[Matt Farah]

No, because I already owned the thing. You can. You can send a thing to Italy for repair and come back and there would not be tariffs. That wasn't.

[Zach]

Wasn't that like a phone call type of confusion?

[Matt Farah]

You know, I used a fucking shipping company, as one does, and it was almost like a Seinfeld episode where the importing and exporting divisions didn't talk to each other. I used the same shipping company for both directions. And the guy who was dealing with the return, I emailed the guy who had sent it there. Oh, I don't do it. Okay, fine. This guy.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't do the importing. I don't do the extra.

[Matt Farah]

And they had like. And they had. They're asking me for all this crazy shit. I'm like, you got guys.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's the same thing you said that way.

[Matt Farah]

And they're like. But you. You know, what is the value of this? I go, guys, there's no value for. I already owned this.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is like.

[Matt Farah]

It was shocking.

[Doug DeMuro]

So they were. But so this came up. It was like a thing that was.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It came up that there. There could. Had I purchased Any new blah, blah, blah, major componentry there would have been, but.

[Doug DeMuro]

So the engine and the trans are back.

[Matt Farah]

Back here? Yeah, they're in la. Oh. They're in a crate.

[Doug DeMuro]

And so you're good. Where's the car?

[Matt Farah]

The. The car and the remain. All the other parts are at my other store. And I'm waiting.

[Zach]

I agree. You got tools?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we got tools. I'm just waiting for Damien to finish a. A project to have room because Mike, it's probably going to take him six months to put my car back together. So he needs to finish one car to clear the bay. I get it. Small shops, me and you.

[Zach]

I think we can do it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

YouTube has everything.

[Doug DeMuro]

Every Truly.

[Matt Farah]

You know what? I really probably could, honestly. Should I just call Freddy?

[Doug DeMuro]

Freddy Tavares? No, it'll take him twice as long.

[Matt Farah]

No, I. No, it's just. Yeah, we're. It's okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, the. It's got to go in like this.

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah.

[Zach]

You call Tony Angelo. He'll have it done in three days.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And it will turn on.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Not much else, but. No, he would.

[Zach]

I.

[Matt Farah]

It's okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

The whole thing scares the hell out of me. The whole countach. But so, so you're. This is like happening. The car is here also.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, Everything's here.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're good.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, we. We are going to find out that something is missing.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

We just don't know what it is.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

I'm prepared for that. I don't know what it is.

[Doug DeMuro]

Don't you want to get that process started though, so you can drive this? When was the last time you drove. Drove this auto?

[Matt Farah]

It was October of 2022 was the last time I drove it.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Ran when parked, as they say. Look, you know.

[Doug DeMuro]

Three and a half years. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's crazy. It's. It's crazy. It's. It's. It's crazy and stupid and it's frustrating and it's fucking expensive. But like, this is the once in a 25 years everything. Yeah. And also not just the service, but it's the UN. The UN. Fuck it. Like the 90s wiring and the. Whatever. Mickey Mouse.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. I mean, in a way there's. There's some benefit to this.

[Matt Farah]

There's enormous amount of benefit to it. What? The product that comes out the other side.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Will be far, far superior to what went in.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what happened?

[Matt Farah]

And like I, Dude, I. I don't have enough to drive. You know what I mean? Fucking.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what happens? Life gave him lemons and he made Lemonade.

[Zach]

No.

[Matt Farah]

What?

[Zach]

It wasn't a lemonade.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well done.

[Zach]

That was a race.

[Matt Farah]

I'm like the most bored on third bas.

[Doug DeMuro]

In the K situation because there was a situation with a fellow out in the desert who. That was the lemons, you know, for.

[Matt Farah]

It was sour, you know, like loud and clear. By the way, Donnie did not do that. Right? Did I make that very clear?

[Doug DeMuro]

What the, the, the thing.

[Matt Farah]

He got arrested.

[Doug DeMuro]

Regardless of that, to your car specifically though, there was a, there became a problem because of all that stuff. That was the lemons.

[Matt Farah]

Most people don't have to collect a disassembled car without knowing what parts are yours and what parts are someone else.

[Doug DeMuro]

And look at you now though. Now you got this thing all ready to, to go. Yours is a, yours is a fuel injected car though, right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Which is not something that bothers me.

[Zach]

There are so many guys out there with project cars that are going to clip what you just said and be like, see honey, it's okay. I'm turning lemonade.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'll tell you another way you turn lemons into lemonade. In the three and a half years you haven't been driving this car, you know what the car's been doing?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Rapidly gaining value.

[Matt Farah]

That's the thing that doesn't bother me. That's why it could sit there as long as it needs too. But I'm gonna, I'm like, I always tell myself that like you, I think you do it too. If I ever had the, the means to buy something like this, it's to drive it, it's to use it. It's not. And what I'm not doing is painting it. I'm not. You know what I mean?

[Doug DeMuro]

Like you're making it mechanically.

[Matt Farah]

I'm gonna replace a couple of shitty seals on the outside. But like we're not painting. I'm gonna touch up a little bit here and there. There. But like it's gonna have rock chips. It's good like, because you know, I just need to just be driving this for the rest of my life. Right? Like just keep driving it because why would it, why would you.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, I should.

[Matt Farah]

Nine year old me would be like.

[Doug DeMuro]

What do you, you have this and.

[Matt Farah]

You'Re not, you have this, you're not driving all the time.

[Doug DeMuro]

Although I do often get comments from 14 year olds who are like, if I had one of those like a Kurt gt, I would daily it. And I'm like, no you wouldn't.

[Matt Farah]

If you. Once you 918, I would night not dailying a 918 is lame because it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Depends how much money you I think that if you had 10 million and you had a 3 million car you wouldn't daily it even if it was an easy car to drive because you're.

[Matt Farah]

Too scared have a better car to.

[Doug DeMuro]

Daily you're just too scared. If you had a hundred million and you had a $3 million different situation.

[Matt Farah]

Sure. That's true. That's true. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

But wouldn't you be. I'm. I'm fearful when I drive the Courage GT and I think its value is only continue to go up and it makes me nervous and I wish it was worth half of what it is.

[Matt Farah]

I can see how you. That's a lot of money that thing.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a lot of money.

[Matt Farah]

I think because I got into the Countach well, it was still. It was all the money I could spare at the time. But well and it's insured for what it's worth now that I feel like.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what will be that's how I feel about my Ford gt what.

[Matt Farah]

Will be will be. You know. But when you buy something at that big number you go I guess it's hard to recalibrate.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think it would be hard at that point though even given how like even if I had paid 250 or what people paid in 09 for courage ortiz. It got to that point. You real. How do you not think about it?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

How is it not on your mind, you know when you drive it around and you think okay, I hope this person doesn't hit me. I don't have those thoughts.

[Matt Farah]

If you have are talented enough at business to earn that much money in the first place. Yeah. Granted a lot of billionaires inherit their money or steal it, but let's just assume that you've earned it. I don't think you can turn capitalism off.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, I'm going to tell you something.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think you're capable of doing it.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm going to tell you something and I mean this in sincerely. I am not talented enough at business. It worked out once, one time. That's why you drive your And I don't know that I can do this another time. And so like I. And I am worried. I'm worried about driving it because I truly don't believe that's funny. There is otherwise I would have bought an F40 if I felt like I could just make all the money again, I would have bought an F40, would have spent more than I should have and it would have eaten into my family's but whatever. Cuz I would have just made more. I don't think that's out there for me.

[Matt Farah]

Funny.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. You cashed out. That's.

[Doug DeMuro]

You got what you got, right? Yeah, I can't tap in anymore.

[Matt Farah]

So you can relate more to like a lotto winner.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And you were just going about your day and then got money.

[Doug DeMuro]

And you know what I think about lotto winners? Made the best investment of anybody. Right. They spent two bucks and got millions. Billions. But mine was pretty good too. Like I bought that Ferrari at the start, did the YouTube channel, etc. And it worked out. But there. There's not another pot of gold there. So I gotta be a little. That's why I'm buying the bonds.

[Matt Farah]

That's funny.

[Doug DeMuro]

Think about it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's a tough. That's funny. I haven't contextualized this because I interviewed a bunch of 918 owners for this story for road and track and most of them said despite the fact that they were good investments, they weren't really concerned about that. They drive them as much as they can, but they have a bunch of cars so there's only so much they can drive and they have young kids or whatever. Whatever. But these were people who. They've not cashed out. These are earning people. And so. Yeah, so they don't.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a weird situation.

[Matt Farah]

They also can't turn off capitalism. They also told me that. They said it is impossible for me to not think about wanting to make a profit on this car. They can't turn it off. My dream is to depreciate a Ferrari F40 to nothing. That's the dream.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like. Like whistling style. Like.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, no, no.

[Zach]

Actually even then it probably wouldn't be worth zero.

[Doug DeMuro]

The VIN is valuable.

[Matt Farah]

I just really to. To. To. To use one like a fucking car. That would be great. To not have to think about it. I don't think I'll ever get there, but that would be great.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, I agree. I agree with that. I think about that a lot. Like I would love to drive my courage or an F40. Like I drive my Ford GT which is like I back. I bumped my Ford GT into my house about a year ago and it happens that that happens, you know and like that would be cool to be.

[Matt Farah]

Able to do to drive it like. Well, 4Gt is not a regular car but to drive it like it is like it was a fucking Boxster or something would be great.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right?

[Matt Farah]

That's the dream, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

It's not going to happen.

[Matt Farah]

No, it's not, and that's okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can we talk about whistling in Montana?

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

You got any Montana thoughts? Do you guys have any car?

[Matt Farah]

I heard your analysis on it. I thought it was pretty spot on. The law is pretty black and white here.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And I think. I think if you're. Look, if you're gonna. If you're gonna run the scam.

[Doug DeMuro]

Maybe.

[Matt Farah]

Don'T put the plate in the video that gets 40 million views also. That's a paperwork crime. And per. Walking him is a bit of an over.

[Doug DeMuro]

Absolutely. Especially because you know what? I was thinking about later too. If you had any sort of. Sort of dispute like that with someone else, you call the cops. Civil matter. Yeah, you gotta go to go through the court. Civil matter. We don't. We don't do that. But here they're like, yeah, let's arrest them.

[Matt Farah]

No, there's. There's a. There's a bunch of dumb things happening. You shouldn't run that scam and then make the car the centerpiece of a huge video.

[Doug DeMuro]

I totally agree. I also think whistling upsets some people. Not me. I love him dearly, but there are people who he upsets. Is Jaguar doing ads now? There's people who he upsets. And so they're gonna call him. You know, they're gonna call the police. Hey, this guy, you should check him out.

[Matt Farah]

Out.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's the other thing. You can't.

[Doug DeMuro]

You.

[Matt Farah]

You know, you. If you're gonna ride dirty, people are gonna. You're people are gonna narc on you. Yeah, like a million. Like so many people.

[Zach]

Probably either he made neighbors mad or he made the police mad, or he made like a number of people must have gotten cranky.

[Doug DeMuro]

People were probably so upset with him destroying stuff that he. That the police in his town probably got so many calls that they were like, we have to arrest this guy. We're sick of. We're sick of all the calls. It's tying up our phone lines.

[Zach]

Right. But this is the outcome. Prosecution.

[Matt Farah]

Right. This could be. Build the building of this dude. And I don't know him. I don't know him and never met him, and I haven't seen all the things.

[Doug DeMuro]

Would you have him on the pod?

[Matt Farah]

I would.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm on the pod, dude. He's the best. You got any Montana cars right now?

[Matt Farah]

Montana? No.

[Doug DeMuro]

What do you.

[Matt Farah]

Don't do that. I became a dealer. What are you nuts?

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, you got dealer plates. That's a different kind of scam.

[Matt Farah]

Listen, it may be a. Something of a loophole, but the State of California collects a bunch of money from me every year. That is more than if I was paying registration and road use fees for the cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Who paid you? Who did your test? Did you have him do it?

[Zach]

Yeah, I ran. Not hard.

[Matt Farah]

The dealer test was fucking so strenuous, but also so easy.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was crazy how we were, like, really nervous. Like an actual test. It was so easy. College final. You guys did a lot of prep, I remember. Well, they.

[Matt Farah]

They have. They offer the class, but I had a couple of friends who wanted to do it. Sounds like, well, how much for you to come? Just teach a class at my place. And they're like, if you can get five people. I was like, done?

[Doug DeMuro]

No way.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So we had a class taught here how.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like over a period of weeks or like what?

[Matt Farah]

I think it was two days. Two days? Yeah, two days. And then I had to. And then you don't. They don't administer the test. You had to go to the dmv, The Central. Like la. Like, not the dmv.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like the DMV that people go to.

[Matt Farah]

DMV and take the test down there and, you know, give them your fingerprints and all that other stuff and. Yeah. Put up a bond. I mean, the whole. It's the whole thing. I'm a wholesale car dealer. Yeah. I mean, they're. Believe you me, the state of California is absolutely getting their money. It's more expensive to be a car dealer than it is to just register cars, right? Yeah. That's not a good use case for.

[Doug DeMuro]

People registering your cars in Montana. Cheaper than all that.

[Zach]

I mean, I think the Montana thing sucks. I wish California had the exemption for cars of a certain age, like the Leno law, when it was originally for smog. Yeah, for smog stuff. I wish that happened. But when I see very new cars driven around California, especially when I see it repeatedly and they're registered in Montana and they're. They're showing up every six months, like the Newport car Show or Malibu, whatever. It makes me very upset.

[Doug DeMuro]

If I'm paying my fees, you got.

[Matt Farah]

To pay your fee.

[Zach]

And you're choosing to live here because you like it, Right. But you don't want to pay that tax to live here. And people can go, well, the sales tax is really high if you're driving a la Ferrari or whatever, like, you clearly have a lot of money. But because capitalism can't turn off, you're like, ooh, but I can. Here's an opportunity grand. And you have 18 cars that cost me away.

[Doug DeMuro]

We did this on our pod we went through a whole thing on this exact thing. And the number of people in the comments who are like, yeah, but the government's going to waste the. Waste the money. These taxes are stupid. And it's like, these aren't people with Ferrari. These are like guys who are like advocating for these rich people. And it's like, why are you doing.

[Matt Farah]

This all the time?

[Zach]

Every political discussion, we are so much.

[Matt Farah]

Of these, like, hustle culture Instagram posts where it's like, ways that this person like, gamed the system to make all this money. And it's just like there's an everyone does it mindset that's really cool.

[Zach]

It starts even larger than that where like, you know, policy is getting put forth and the talking points that come out on the news will be like, this will hurt hardworking Americans. And like, the policy will be about corporations that are only worth $15 billion or higher, but they just use that term.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're right.

[Matt Farah]

So people think it will turn family farms I really like.

[Zach]

Exactly.

[Doug DeMuro]

The other thing that annoys me is, yeah, the guys who have killed it are the guys with the Ferraris and the Lambos, the new cars. Whereas it's a valuable thing for people with the older car. You know, one thing that really annoys me about California is an imported car doesn't pass smog. Even if it passes smog, it's not allowed. Right. You have to go get. Go to the lab and get the. Get it certified. And it takes a year and it's incredibly expensive. And then you run it through a tailpipe test. And guess what? It wasn't actually polluting this whole time. And that's who Montana should be for, you know, instead the McLaren guys ruined it.

[Matt Farah]

Fucking one liter. Pow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You're telling me a one liter Japanese engine from 1990 is problematic? That's what. You know what I mean?

[Doug DeMuro]

So laughable. You know, when I lived in Pennsylvania, there was an exemption if you drove less than 2,000 miles a year. You were emissions exempt.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I think that was such a great idea.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that works.

[Doug DeMuro]

Ostensibly it was for old people, like elderly people who didn't need to want to put a lot of money into car repairs on a fixed come. You know, okay, we let them. But it also worked for people with sports cars who didn't.

[Matt Farah]

I'm fine with the old people also using that rule.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like, that's cool with the old folks anyway.

[Matt Farah]

But no, if California provided a better path, yeah, I would be absolutely happy to use it as it is the path I'm doing is totally fucking legal.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

But, but, and yeah, but it's. It sucks. It should be. It should be for the fucking, I don't know, 1984 Iraq Camaro, you know what I mean?

[Doug DeMuro]

But the dude is taken out to go to like three shows a year. Right. But instead.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, it should be for that.

[Doug DeMuro]

And there should be a better path for that. And it's so sad that the Leno's Law thing got shut down. Although, no surprise, you know, I will say to the credit of the people who do the Montana thing, having watched that whole process I have now, and also with just some of my general knowledge of California license plates and how they do registration, I have watched government screw up so much BS that it's like, it's hard not to sit there and be like, these people are idiots, you know, like, they're true idiots. And that was the case with Leno's Law. That the person, individual who killed that bill is an idiot. Like, doesn't understand that these cars are all being driven here. Well, it's gonna be a problem for smog. No, it's not. We're all driving them. It's just that California's not getting the tax revenue.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And stuff like that. Just that. That is annoying. And so then you start to see these people make this argument. It's hard to argue against some online.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Because they're sitting here saying, you know, actually they're. They're going to use the money. Great. It's like. No, that's.

[Zach]

Right. I mean, that's the hard thing. Like when you're. When I was in my 20s, I was very optimistic about all that stuff. And then as you age, you go, oh, we are giving a lot of tax money and it's getting used for things that most people don't even want, but we get, you know, against our interest. So then you start going, this is how it happens.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right, Right. This is where the turn starts to be made.

[Zach]

I remain hopeful.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, good. You're so optimistic. A little bit. You still feel positive about the direction of our country.

[Zach]

Oh, I didn't say that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

I. Yeah, I don't mind paying the fucking taxes. And I'm not about to say as long as they're going somewhere.

[Doug DeMuro]

I like.

[Matt Farah]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, at its basic situation, the law is what the law is. And that was kind of my point. It's like, even if you don't like where the taxes are going, this is democracy. Get the law changed. And the reason the law doesn't get changed is because there's Not a lot of people. When you stand up and say, I don't want to pay taxes on my supercar, a lot of people are like, all right, let's change that law. There's no will for that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but I mean, the thing with. With whistling Diesel is like, dude, yeah, okay, they shouldn't have arrested you. But like, bro, what are you doing?

[Zach]

Probably not hard to register a car in Tennessee.

[Doug DeMuro]

Tennessee.

[Zach]

You're just ducking taxes.

[Doug DeMuro]

And by the way, the other thing about this, that no one's really said, Tennessee has no state income tax. He's already getting a pretty good deal. Right?

[Matt Farah]

Like just.

[Doug DeMuro]

Just, you know, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. It's a good example.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, you should just let it be.

[Matt Farah]

Or, bro, take the tag off in.

[Doug DeMuro]

The video or do put a. Put up. Put electrical tape over like people do on Craigslist.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, it's just dumb. You. And he's going to be like, you're going to be sorry for. Shut up there. You're going to have to pay this bill. Like, you're just. You're just shut up and pay the bill and go.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't mind him looking up for views, though. I'm here for that. God knows we've done that.

[Zach]

Car in Tennessee costs about $92.

[Doug DeMuro]

He. Does that have to pay sales tax?

[Zach]

Yeah, I didn't get to that part yet. I'll find that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I think sales tax is sales tax, no matter if it's a car or.

[Doug DeMuro]

Just a T. There are some states. South Carolina has like a tier.

[Zach]

Yeah, but Tennessee's is 7%.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. And it's always like 7%. At one point, I registered a car in Massachusetts and people like you registered there to save the difference on sales. And I looked it up. It was like 6.75 to 7 point. I didn't even know before I did it. 6.75 to 7.25 or something. It's like, trust me to this ain't that.

[Matt Farah]

That's okay. So the. How many miles have you put on this turbo so far?

[Doug DeMuro]

Like 2000.

[Matt Farah]

All right.

[Doug DeMuro]

In like a month. Yeah, I bought it October 5th. I had two months.

[Matt Farah]

Cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

Look at that.

[Matt Farah]

Yes. I have driven them and they're lovely.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're lovely.

[Matt Farah]

They're really nice.

[Doug DeMuro]

It is not a $250,000 driving experience.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, no.993 is, except maybe like a GT2.

[Doug DeMuro]

But those cost a million dollars and they are definitely not a million dollars.

[Matt Farah]

For sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a great Car and I love it dearly. I am astonished at what people pay for them.

[Matt Farah]

Why? What, so why this though? This? I mean, yeah, I always wanted one because of the kills Bugs Fast poster.

[Doug DeMuro]

The poster is part of it. And just I had always wanted it. I've always loved the 993 Turbo ever since I first drove one almost 20 years ago. And I always kind of wanted one. And I know it never really left my mind. And why Arena Red? Because I always get my cars in the poster color. Always. Every one of my cars. Cars, yeah. Think about it. Even my E Class station wagon. You dig up a press photo. It's those wheels too.

[Matt Farah]

I, I, I'm gonna say this. I don't love arena red. Actually, there's very, there's very few Porsche reds I do like. I don't, I don't think red is a color that works great on.

[Doug DeMuro]

I will tell you this. In my pursuit to always get cars in the poster color, I have had to buy cars in colors that I wasn't that into. But I just forgot for me, like my green Land Rover, I had a green Defender. I didn't like it, but that was their color.

[Matt Farah]

I remember that.

[Doug DeMuro]

And blue was definitely better. But to me that's just what it is. That's just the car. There isn't, in my mind, there isn't a 993 Turbo that isn't Arena.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, if you're gonna, if it's gonna, if it's going to scratch the childhood poster car niche, it might as well fucking match. Did you notice the poster I have in my Office is the 87 top speed shootout. The one the yellow brick Word ended up winning. Who shot that? Jeff Zwart. And the poster that I have is the photo of the Lambo from that shoot. It's the exact same spec as my car, Same color, same everything, which is great.

[Doug DeMuro]

And look at that.

[Matt Farah]

Killsburg kills bugs fast. I mean, possibly the most iconic thing, I mistakenly attributed it to Jeff Zwart. This is actually not a Zwart production, but one of a few that wasn't Zwart.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, I gotta tell you, the thing that has surprised me the most about getting this car and then announcing it a couple days ago. The number of people, even people I haven't talked to in years, who text me and said, I had that poster on my wall when I was a kid, like people reaching out. I had Kills bugs fast. I have it in my garage now.

[Matt Farah]

I like, have you seen the door sill of my car? Is this the door sill? Of my spider is cuts hair fast in the typewriter spot because it's a fucking hairdresser.

[Doug DeMuro]

I was a son of poster. It is like the iconic poster. I think it's probably the most iconic Porsche ad of all time. But I didn't. I don't think I really realized just how. How like. Like cultural it really was. But yeah, I don't know. It's cool. I do think it's. It's vastly overvalued and they continue to seem to be going up which I don't understand.

[Matt Farah]

How rare are they? I haven't really thought about this.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't actually know. So this is. This is. Here's a little secret about me. Even though. And I've said this a million times and no one believes me, but I'm really not that into Porsches. I don't know that much about this car. I got a buddy down the street who's like did you do this?

[Matt Farah]

Is it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Has it had this. Have you got this option? I'm like I literally do not know any of that. I just wanted one and it's like really nice one.

[Matt Farah]

Where did it come from?

[Doug DeMuro]

It came from Porsche Santa Clarita. Our buddy Bo Galpin, they got it traded in and great, right. And they had never really hit their website. We like found it on their back end software and I call them and they worked out a dealer reacted to the mainframe danger to manifold.

[Matt Farah]

There is a story there.

[Doug DeMuro]

So cars and bids we. We have these abilities to run a VIN and look at like if we're looking for for example a comp for putting a reserve a car. Our back end software ties into all the dms, the dealer's back end software.

[Matt Farah]

And show my inventory.

[Doug DeMuro]

Show your inventory.

[Matt Farah]

I don't have a 993 Turbo, so not today.

[Doug DeMuro]

So one of them popped up and one of our employees was like hey, I just ran a993 and this one has popped up in LA. It's not on their website but give them a call and that was cool. Worked out.

[Matt Farah]

Arena red, black and that's that like luxury leather.

[Doug DeMuro]

Supple leather.

[Matt Farah]

Supple leather. That's a weird one, isn't it? Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And a lot of none of them had it.

[Matt Farah]

I. I do like it. I don't know if I love the supple leather.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't care. Like the non supple leather was not that different. Yeah you know, like it didn't quite have the rough.

[Matt Farah]

Yours isn't as I've seen some really rough. Where it's bunched up, you know, like one of those 90s couches.

[Doug DeMuro]

And this is, I'm telling you, you go on red list and there's 40 pages about this topic and it's like, oh God, what have I stumbled into here? Yeah, I, I, I can't believe the cult. It's, it's fun, it's nice. It's, it's soft though.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Like it's a pretty soft soft. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it's, I, it's for 225. I mean you can buy some real cars for that much money.

[Matt Farah]

You could buy some like fizzy. Yeah, really like one sold on bring.

[Doug DeMuro]

The other day for 350. Just a regular arena turbo. And now that's a 4 GT. Like you could have an 054 GT.

[Matt Farah]

No, I mean maybe kind of a.

[Doug DeMuro]

Rough one that's been hit. But it is cool.

[Matt Farah]

Sad that I'll probably never have a Ford gt. It's a bummer.

[Doug DeMuro]

You could get rid of that countach there.

[Matt Farah]

I, I could, I wouldn't, I wouldn't trade that for a 4 GT.

[Doug DeMuro]

I wouldn't either.

[Matt Farah]

I would, I would maybe, maybe condense other things at some point, but I, but I don't know.

[Doug DeMuro]

4 GT is the best.

[Zach]

Yeah, I support this.

[Matt Farah]

It's the, I know four GS. I know it's the best, but that doesn't like make me have 500 grand. Sorry.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, like I don't have the money. 375. You can go in for 375.

[Matt Farah]

A shitter mileage. I don't to want a.

[Doug DeMuro]

No a good car, but just one that's been mild. The hard part is finding one. I have it at various periods. I have kind of gotten a little off my 4 GT. Not driven it for a little while. And I've thought about selling it and it always hits me like I will never find another car with miles. That's why I don't do it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like my, I will never be able to buy back in to a car that I can use. They never come up with miles. So I got 44.

[Matt Farah]

Just keeping them forever.

[Doug DeMuro]

Or, or they have zero miles.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. The guys who drive them want to drive them you and they do. And then the zero mile cars are available. 20 of them at any given moment. But like who wants that crap?

[Matt Farah]

What am I going to do with that thing?

[Doug DeMuro]

And then some of them are yellow and you know, no, there's looks like a bumblebee.

[Matt Farah]

Give me a silver no stripe.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh oh. Silver no stripe is gone. That's a very valuable car. You know, it's funny.

[Zach]

I came across Peterson Vault right now.

[Doug DeMuro]

Silver, no stripe. I came across the. The original order label from Carl, the original owner of my car. And it's just a piece of paper that you fax to Ford. And it's these check boxes. And I'm looking at it.

[Matt Farah]

Only four options.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's four checks in the colors. But I'm looking at. I'm thinking if you checked these in a certain way, you would have a $150,000. Now, at the time, the options were not. They didn't have a cost or they were minimal. But, like, just making certain decisions was a $150,000 value add or subtract. You had no way of knowing that 20 years years ago.

[Matt Farah]

No. And those cars, they couldn't even really.

[Doug DeMuro]

Move when they had trouble moving them. But, like, if you had chosen red with a stripe, that car is worth A hundred, $200,000 less than if you had got a black nose stripe car. A silver nose stripe car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

No. Obviously impossible to know at the time, but, like, kind of funny to like look at the sheet of paper and think there was so much. He probably didn't put that much into it. But there was, in retrospect, only four.

[Matt Farah]

Options to choose the spread of outcomes.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Is wild. Yeah. Same with, I mean, 918s is another one, you know, one white sock, nine non white sock and whatever colors.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like a Prius? Yeah, like a Prius automatic hybrid. You're not driving that around, thinking, well.

[Zach]

Do you drive your career? I don't think.

[Matt Farah]

You don't. You don't drive it in hybrid.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think legit car. Legit car.

[Matt Farah]

No.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm always thinking, oh, my God, I hope nothing happens to this.

[Matt Farah]

I would rather have a Carrera GT. But you don't drive a 918 around in like hybrid mode. That's. That's really terrible. You just click it to sport when you start it and then the engine just stays on and then it's. Yeah, it's automatic, but like, it's like a McLaren or something. Auto.

[Doug DeMuro]

Hybrid.

[Matt Farah]

All right. But I mean, I don't. I didn't buy one, man. What do you. What do you want from me? It's nice.

[Zach]

You do not enjoy the torque fill benefit on any hybrid supercar?

[Doug DeMuro]

I do when I'm doing the videos. I love it. But for me, personally, personally, I. It's hard for me to imagine a situation in which I would want as a fun car during the rare moments when I'm not with my kids or doing family or working to get into an automatic and be like, I'm gonna go have some fun. Like that is very rare.

[Matt Farah]

Probably wouldn't. I probably wouldn't. I'd like. If I was rolling in cash, I would daily a McLaren 750. That would be a 7.

[Doug DeMuro]

That would be your daily. If you were rolling in cash, you'd be a crypto, bro. You could.

[Zach]

How much roll.

[Doug DeMuro]

Rolling are we talking? You could roll it. You could. You could. You could.

[Matt Farah]

Depreciation is no problem.

[Doug DeMuro]

You could daily an F50 in this roll it in cash situation.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, I. You'd have to take out some kind of weird loan. But I guess.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, no. We're talking about you're rolling in cash.

[Zach]

Well, we needed to define that.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's the problem.

[Matt Farah]

There's. There's even enough for McLaren even when.

[Doug DeMuro]

He'S rolling in cash. There's. There's a parameter.

[Matt Farah]

There's a limit. No, I guess I. I'm not dreaming.

[Zach]

About Americans once again.

[Matt Farah]

Big enough?

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know. 750s.

[Matt Farah]

They're lovely every day.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what I want. You know what you should get? Actually, I'm not gonna do it. I'm done. But you should is a 430scoot. That car is taking off. You can still get one for 275. When I come on this podcast next year, they're gonna be 500 cars.

[Matt Farah]

I love them.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't. I don't either, but you should do it financially. I don't love them.

[Matt Farah]

They don't do anything for me.

[Doug DeMuro]

Dude. Challenge Stradales, which is an okay car, but I'm just gonna say okay. Those are half mil cars.

[Matt Farah]

That's a crazy overvaluation. Is a Stradale. They're beautiful and they sound good. And that's usually all that matters actually over time.

[Doug DeMuro]

But it's a lot of money for a 360. That's still kind of like a lot of 360s. But Scuds haven't really taken off. But they're starting to. This is a top tip for anybody out there.

[Matt Farah]

I just don't love them. But that's good.

[Doug DeMuro]

16 Ms. Are now pushing a million. The conversation.

[Matt Farah]

That's also insane. You couldn't spend more to get less. They're fine. They're fine. But you could not spend more to get.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, I gotta think about that. That is an interesting one.

[Matt Farah]

Wait. Oh, yeah, you could. No, you definitely could.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean, new Aston Martin. Speaking of Aston Martin, you know what I Want.

[Matt Farah]

There's shit you could buy. You could hide a million bucks in stuff pretty easily.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And you. To get objectively less.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. I mean, the 430 scooter is at least still an NA V8. Limited production.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what I really want?

[Matt Farah]

A Toyota 2000 GT.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That's how you spend more to get less. Yes. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Farah]

Not much there.

[Doug DeMuro]

Tons of money you're gonna get. Hate for the 2000 GT community.

[Matt Farah]

They're all so old, they don't know how to use the Internet. It's fine.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay. A car I really want to buy. I'm waiting for two more years of depreciation. The Aston Vanquish Zagato shooting break.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Is it on a downward trajectory?

[Doug DeMuro]

Dude, they're selling for 400. They knew they were 900. This was two, three years ago. Yeah. Now they're selling for 400, but they almost never come up because there's only 100 of them.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

But you got to assume that a.

[Matt Farah]

Friend of mine had one of these, actually.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. He was. He was an Aston dealer and he, you know, he. He owns the local Aston Martin store and kept it for himself. It's pretty amazing.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's just like. It's a wag. Like, this is cool.

[Matt Farah]

It's so pretty.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think to me, it's like a 225 car. They're still selling for 400. Sticker was 900. I'm waiting for that. It was 900. What do you think transaction prices were, though, like, on a 900 Aston that you know is going to get killed on value? What. What? Discounting. You think they're doing like 250 off?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, 200. 200 off.

[Doug DeMuro]

Imagine that.

[Matt Farah]

Or I'll throw it. I'll throw an advantage.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You get one.

[Zach]

I'll throw.

[Matt Farah]

I'll just throw this.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I would say, no, thanks, man.

[Matt Farah]

New Vantage roadster. Quite nice.

[Doug DeMuro]

Still going to depreciate like crazy. Aston at the end of the day, can never get away from the problem. They make a one of 100 Zagato. One off body style. And it's still a third of its value. Three years later.

[Matt Farah]

V12 vantage. Six speeds are.

[Doug DeMuro]

They are valuable.

[Matt Farah]

Quite delightful.

[Doug DeMuro]

That car was not that beloved when.

[Matt Farah]

It was new, which is weird because it was awesome to drive.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was awesome. Then it was talked about. Then everybody's like, oh, this is cool. And almost right away, after it was no longer available, there became this kind of cult around that car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, not so much. Yes. Vanquish Zagato. Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's like an M. Will it?

[Matt Farah]

Will it dog. Yeah. It's like an M coupe with leg room. Exactly.

[Doug DeMuro]

You get.

[Matt Farah]

You have to get a camo interior.

[Doug DeMuro]

You get one of these and a 430scoot and you are rocking it.

[Matt Farah]

No, I would need a manual. 430 manual stick swap.

[Doug DeMuro]

The 430 scoot.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Not. That is. I. I saw yesterday one of the real 599 manual and it made me think that is actually the move is the 599 manual swap. Because they are quite cheap.

[Doug DeMuro]

599S are so cheap. They're $115,000.

[Matt Farah]

I don't understand.

[Doug DeMuro]

How does that make sense?

[Matt Farah]

Well, if it needs brakes, they're 40. That's one way.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, I gotta tell you though, my buddy Nick just bought this SLR from Hoovy. And SLR brakes is like a big story with that car.

[Matt Farah]

Those cars, soft balls. Have you ever driven one?

[Doug DeMuro]

I love them junk.

[Matt Farah]

Those things stink because.

[Doug DeMuro]

Because they're fast and they're incredibly cool looking and they require nothing. Like they're not temperamental in any way. And that's kind of the funny thing about the slr. The story of the SLR is the brakes. Everybody's like oh, when they fail. Well, they don't fail. They never do. Yeah. Like. And that's not going to happen to. We did this one. This was a conversion.

[Matt Farah]

It's only got 1300 miles.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was a bizarre car to convert.

[Matt Farah]

That's a weird one to convert.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And this was a no sale at 220.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Which they should have let that go. Sorry bud. That's a bad one. But here's a but.

[Doug DeMuro]

Look at that. Look at that. 111.

[Matt Farah]

Dude, this yellow one died at 103.

[Doug DeMuro]

And the. Then the blue one sold for 111. Boy, you put the stock wheels back on that car, you get another 15 grand.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, for sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

People don't realize that people who do aftermarket wheels. We try to tell this to people and they just won't accept it.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

People don't realize that their taste in aftermarket wheels is never the market's taste in aftermarket.

[Matt Farah]

Sell them wheels separately.

[Doug DeMuro]

Sell the wheels separate. Sometimes we see cars come and the aftermarkets will be off the car and they'll have a picture with the stock wheels separate. And it's like, dude, take an hour and get them back on the car. It will do wonders for you.

[Matt Farah]

111 grand for this car.

[Doug DeMuro]

111. This is what these go for too. Like 130 is like a pretty expensive 599.

[Matt Farah]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Imagine that.

[Doug DeMuro]

So then you swap it for what 30.

[Matt Farah]

What are those 30 with labor.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you're driving around for 140 in a manual V12 Ferrari. Meanwhile a 550 Maranello is a 200 car and is slower.

[Matt Farah]

Is worse. Drives worse than these. Absolutely. They're beautiful those cars. But these drive way better. Way better.

[Doug DeMuro]

So flat. They are such good cars to drive.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

They are so so so excited. Why don't you do this?

[Matt Farah]

I should just do this. I think a lot about how ix and just do this.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. For the same money.

[Matt Farah]

What's that?

[Doug DeMuro]

NSX itself for 150.

[Matt Farah]

I'm hoping more than that.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know. I don't know. The money.

[Matt Farah]

000 mile 05 I I I'm hoping for. Is it bad for me to say I don't know.

[Doug DeMuro]

Do you think it is? I will say.

[Matt Farah]

You own the auction site. Asshole.

[Doug DeMuro]

I'll tell you this. Here's a little auction site. Top tip. Okay. Whenever people say my reserve is off. That's it. That kills bidding. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. Bidding is done at that point because at that moment people think they are overpaying.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And it works at Barrett Jackson when everybody's drunk and everybody's all excited. But the moment I see it on. Bring a trailer too. When the moment when people are like the reserve is off. That's the end.

[Matt Farah]

So this block black one is. That would have been a good price a year ago. I think the market is up a little.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah. I mean this was two years ago. Right. Almost two years ago.

[Matt Farah]

This car would get more now. This car would bring it something starting with a 2 today. This particular car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Here's another car I'd rather have than a 993 Turbo. If I was going on objective driving experience. Like at 225. Like that's a pretty cool car.

[Matt Farah]

It is. I don't know. I I I would be. I don't want to say how much I want to get for it. But I I'll tell you when we're not public and you tell me if I if you think I'm nuts.

[Doug DeMuro]

But then we'll have to.

[Matt Farah]

I think this is a very good car. And it also just had the major engine out Service which is $6,500.

[Doug DeMuro]

So does a Honda dealer do or an Acura dealer do that?

[Matt Farah]

I wouldn't take it there. Evasive Motorsports is an NSX specialist. And there's another NSX specialist in LA that is known for.

[Doug DeMuro]

I was going to ask about that because it's interesting to me. Like with Ferraris and Porsches, there's all these specialists. But another car I want to get, which is another radically overvalued car is a Mark Super Turbo.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I'm thinking, where the hell would I take it? You can't take that thing to a Toyota dealer. But is there a shop that like does.

[Matt Farah]

There are. Yeah. There are.

[Zach]

So California.

[Matt Farah]

And they're easier than Skylines. Scott. It would be easier to get a thousand horsepower skyline motor than to get your air conditioning fixed in America. You know what I mean?

[Doug DeMuro]

Like, I actually have a problem.

[Matt Farah]

I could find 12 people that would build me some fucking fast and furious fire shooting thing. And I was like, I need my air conditioning charged up. Sorry. Sorry, bro.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's so true. That is such a great point.

[Zach]

You missed this one, Doug.

[Matt Farah]

Sorry. Oh, wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Wow. This is top secret. So many of them are like this. Yeah, this is a car. I look at this car and I think that guy, the moment he drives that is going to the state ref. Yeah, that dude is getting pulled over the mo. Look at that. I was like, I got California plates. This guy should do Montana. He's probably going to be in less trouble if he does Montana.

[Matt Farah]

That's funny. Downstairs we have a 1500 horsepower supra. It's very pretty. But it's.

[Doug DeMuro]

What happened to a lot of them was they got modded to the. These crazy results. And what I want is a bone stock one.

[Matt Farah]

Have you ever driven a bone stock?

[Doug DeMuro]

It's. It's very underwhelming.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's what I'm looking for.

[Zach]

Expensive.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's. That's in a couple years when I'm done with the 993 Turbo. That's what I want to replace it with a bone stock. Boring.

[Zach]

With a little power. Just like downpipes and stuff.

[Matt Farah]

There's a little. There's a. Just. There's that. A 15 increase over stock. I want to sort of livens it up a bit.

[Doug DeMuro]

No, I want to sit there in my. In my manual turbo. And I want to flex on all these guys. I could do this. But look at my restraint.

[Zach]

You want to walk softly and carry the big stick.

[Matt Farah]

That's so funny.

[Doug DeMuro]

Look at.

[Matt Farah]

I am a. I am a monk. A monk. I am it.

[Doug DeMuro]

I am it. I'm so tempted.

[Matt Farah]

But I don't.

[Doug DeMuro]

The temptation does not have achieved total zen.

[Zach]

You're like. You're like someone living in a studio apartment. Who has $10 million dollars in the bank.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right. You're just. No, I'm not gonna spend it. Not gonna do it.

[Matt Farah]

State of total enlightenment.

[Zach]

I think they'd be a really nice thing to drive long distance. Like great GT cars. They're just not.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Honestly, that's kind of how I feel about this993 though. Like it's. It's a pretty good car to drive on the freeway. Etc. It is not the car I would take to on a mountain drive.

[Matt Farah]

Does this particular one then cars and bids have like Lexus. Lexus seats. Look at these. Those seats. Those.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, they look like. Absolutely.

[Matt Farah]

Those are Lexus. Like rcs.

[Doug DeMuro]

They look pretty good.

[Zach]

Good.

[Matt Farah]

You know what? That works.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, that's a good mod. Maybe I would do that one.

[Matt Farah]

Mod the stock seats, all those. If you. The NSX, the RX7, the supra. None of the 300 ZX, none of the seat shapes have held up over time.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why were they afraid of bolsters back then? Like, look at that seat. Like, look at those bolsters. They're. You know, it's like these. They like wing bass.

[Matt Farah]

A little cold in here.

[Doug DeMuro]

In the 90s, like flat seats. And if you did anything more than flat seats, it was like crazy ridiculous. Those look good. I would do that mod.

[Matt Farah]

That's a good mod. I like that one.

[Doug DeMuro]

I just. What I want people. The thing that people I think don't understand about.

[Matt Farah]

Since you're all candy and no water, I'm just gonna take this one.

[Doug DeMuro]

I want. What I want is I have three really intense cars. And for this fourth car, I want something I can bring my kids to daycare and like, just have fun, but not too much fun because I want the other cars to have that. That role. And so that's why I want a Mark 4.

[Matt Farah]

The. My Porsche is for the mountain. That's. It's for that. It's not great at much else.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The Countach is for Malibu. You know, hopefully I'd like to drive it to car week one of these years. Did you drive yours to car?

[Doug DeMuro]

I shipped it, but only because I was coming from. I wasn't going to be able to.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was amazing.

[Matt Farah]

I'd like to do that.

[Doug DeMuro]

That experience. I also showed it at Quail. That experience was.

[Matt Farah]

So did I.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's true.

[Matt Farah]

Damn it.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nobody's ever, nobody's ever clapped back.

[Matt Farah]

They were like, yeah, I was there too.

[Zach]

And the Manx cost less, by the way, than your Countaid.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, a lot of cars at Quail cost less than my countach.

[Matt Farah]

My Manx is a fucking. Is a game genie cheat code to.

[Doug DeMuro]

A whole bunch of.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Where was your car parked? I didn't see it there.

[Matt Farah]

I'm just kidding.

[Doug DeMuro]

Speaking of quail, you guys were there. How about the 14 Shelby Genesis, like at some point. And I love that event. At some point. Aren't you like, you know, that was a lot. Nine is the. They all look literally identical.

[Matt Farah]

Nine F fifties, I think.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, I like those though.

[Matt Farah]

No. Well, have you ever been to a Delorean club? Let me. Let me tell you. Hey, where did I park is a real issue.

[Doug DeMuro]

It must be because they literally look the same.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Having that car at car week was so much fun.

[Matt Farah]

I bet.

[Doug DeMuro]

So much fun.

[Matt Farah]

It was your. It was the only car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, it's the only car brought. So we were like filling it up at 9pm it was so much fun.

[Matt Farah]

Was it okay with the traffic and stuff?

[Doug DeMuro]

A couple times after some really spirited drives, I had trouble restarting because I think the starter motor got hot. But you just let it sit for a couple minutes. It cooled and it was fine.

[Matt Farah]

That's awesome.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think that, I think that's how they were like. My suspicion is that that's, you know.

[Matt Farah]

You'Re asking it for something that it wasn't really built to do.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean we did. I did almost 300 miles five days. Like just, you know, runs down the piece all day. All the traffic, all the traffic was a lot.

[Matt Farah]

The Manx is. Happens to be very good in traffic.

[Doug DeMuro]

And so the Manx, what trans is in that?

[Matt Farah]

It's like a four speed Porsche.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's a manual.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but like the clutch, isn't it loud? Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

You wear headphones.

[Matt Farah]

If I'm driving it by myself for any kind of distance, I will wear earbuds. But like for most of car week, no, I didn't. Damn, you're legit. It was awesome.

[Doug DeMuro]

You're way more.

[Matt Farah]

No, that. No, no, no, no.

[Doug DeMuro]

You are.

[Matt Farah]

Kintosh for car week is fabulous.

[Doug DeMuro]

That was fabulous. I am legit.

[Matt Farah]

I'm gonna do that one of these years. But like the cuz this, that's like. I don't mean to like be. I'm not. I don't want to sound like elitist in terms of like the value of your car. Like, it's not about that. Like, like what kind of. And, and I'm glad that like young people are into hypercars. I'm glad they're in something. Right. But like the sort of hyper car ification of Pebble. Like, like I have like our friend, our friend friend Sam who has been on the show. He's part the head of the group that bought Willow Springs and is redeveloping it. Fucking loaded. Post economic, you might say. He drove a 1952 Hudson Hornet NASCAR for Pebble for car week, you know what I mean? Like a little. It required a little something, a little something extra besides money, a little risk, maybe it's going to break down. Maybe he's got to find some side of the road shop to fix this thing, you know what I mean? Like a little money can't buy. Je ne sais quoi. This is interesting. And actually the car wasn't even all that valuable because who's even looking for things just looked like Doc Hudson.

[Doug DeMuro]

I agree. That to me.

[Matt Farah]

Nice. You know what I mean?

[Doug DeMuro]

That to me is like the special thing. And driving that car up there, I will say, despite the hyper carification of Monterey, kids were obsessed. And it was cool for me because I was one of those kids not long ago, like literally was one of those kids, like sleeping in a station wagon, like taking pictures of all the cars. Like to be able to see, to be able to actually drive it. And it was cool. Like the kids, the kids respect and recognize it now. I was a little disappointed. In San Diego, I have the only countach. Nobody that we know has any other countaches. Like I go to Gary Bobbleev shop, which is down there.

[Matt Farah]

He's.

[Doug DeMuro]

He doesn't work on any local ones but mine. There's no.

[Matt Farah]

It's me.

[Doug DeMuro]

So I go up there. Literally I'm pulling in the. I land at the airport, get my car, drive into down to Ocean Avenue in Carmel and another one pulls right up next to me. And then a mirror.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Nothing here.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you can't, you can't. There's no car out fucking compete any of these folks. There's no car. Don't even try. Yeah, that's why, that's why, like the Manx again, it sort of exits that system, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

You're not even trying. You're not, you're doing your own thing.

[Matt Farah]

It's just a weird, weird other thing. That doesn't mean like ideally maybe next year I could celebrate the car being back together by driving it up there. Like I would, I would. I'd fucking drive it, no problem. Right? I would do it. It's a great highway car.

[Doug DeMuro]

You would take it all the way up there. Like a helmet on. What? Well, you put like a helmet on.

[Matt Farah]

Are you talking About a Manx?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, the Manx.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, I meant to. No, I meant the Kunta.

[Doug DeMuro]

You can't drive.

[Matt Farah]

No, I would not drive the Manx up there. I towed it with a Bentley.

[Doug DeMuro]

The Countach. You can't drive a There. It's too long.

[Matt Farah]

What do you mean, it's too long? Why? From San.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's longer from San Diego, so there's another 120 miles. But also, it's just like a lot of time in that car. Plus, don't you kind of feel every time you're driving your Countach, like you might be on borrowed time? You want to make sure these miles count. You want to have the miles go up there. You don't want to break down the moment you're pulling in.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, to a degree, yes. I won't, like, run errands in it and just go into traffic because that feels. Feels like, unnecessary. But, like, no, I would drive it up. I would take the 101. I wouldn't take the 5. I would take. I'd make, you know, I would make a thing of it. I would do it because a couple years ago I drove the 328 up there and then used it. And it really was a total package experience that was very special.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, if I was in LA, I might consider it. It's 240 more miles. Yeah, I would do it. My Ford GT for sure. That car is dead reliable. That's big enough. I sometimes fantasize about driving that car all the way across the country.

[Matt Farah]

I genuinely think that my Countach, when it goes back together, should be pretty bulletproof. Once I get through the initial, like what you call the one, you know, the 110, 100, 1000. When you put a car back together, something happens in mile one and you fix it, and then something happens in mile 10, you fix it. Then you get 100 miles. And then once you get past a thousand miles, your car is bulletproof.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, I got my Countach back from George Evans Luminary. I didn't have any issues. He pulled the motor out. We did 50 grand and worked. No, 110, nothing. I have. And. And I've been nervous about driving that car, like all Countach owners are. And it didn't break down on me until 2600, 2700 miles into the experience. And even then, it was just the distributor, and they had it fixed in 24 hours.

[Matt Farah]

What my distributor went. That was the only thing that actually put me on the side of the road ever. In four years, with the Car was distributed.

[Doug DeMuro]

We have that in common now because it's the only thing. It's the only problem I've had.

[Matt Farah]

They. Did you have to get yours rebuilt?

[Doug DeMuro]

No, they had one and they were able to. I don't even know that the distributors like the tight. The gears. I don't. I didn't exactly look into. I was out of town rental hat when it all went all got fixed but it wasn't that expensive and they had it done in a day.

[Matt Farah]

We had a mine got like. Like basically just gunked up with shit like those. The gears inside it were like gunked up and basically seized. Yeah, it's.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's. It's the greatest.

[Matt Farah]

It will be great. It will be great again. I heard a video of it running on an engine dyno and it sounded absolutely beautiful. So I'm very excited. There were things I was told that I could do by somebody at this company that I was later, once this person no longer worked at the company told were actually not possible. For instance, I was told that I could do European camshafts instead of the US ones and that I could do one or two other things that European exhaust manifolds rather than the US spec ones which look like wrapped hams. They're really strange looking. And I was told that I could do those things and it could make more power. Well, it turns out you actually can't. It turns out that the European can cams do not work with injected engines. Like they just don't. And it turns out that beginning in 87 they had the same exhaust European and they all had the US spec exhaust. So the European exhaust doesn't actually even fit properly on this car. So yeah, no, there would be no point to doing it. So anyway, here we are.

[Doug DeMuro]

Here we are.

[Matt Farah]

A stock engine.

[Doug DeMuro]

Look at that. Look at that. Beautiful.

[Matt Farah]

Worst thing you have to deal with is stock countach engine. Boom.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know mine's. I got forged pistons. Mine's been bored and stroked by the Pratt.

[Matt Farah]

By the.

[Zach]

Really?

[Matt Farah]

Yes.

[Doug DeMuro]

I got a built motor in my Countach and I want my Mark 4 Super Turbo to be stuck.

[Zach]

That is weird.

[Matt Farah]

That's a little different.

[Doug DeMuro]

The last owner, the only owner the car ever really had did it.

[Matt Farah]

Was it a 5.2?

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know what it is now. It was, you know, a 4.8 liter V8 like they all were at that time. And it's bored out to some larger.

[Matt Farah]

Amount and I wonder what it is.

[Doug DeMuro]

I got forged pistons which all this stuff I think has enhanced the reliability of the car. I was told that when the car went in for the. In 2005 for this massive service, which was 70 grand, which is probably about the value of the car, basically the motor had started, there was like corrosion or something needed to be done, it needed to be rebuilt or something had to be done. And so they boarded out a little bit and put in the forged pistons. So I got a built Countach motor. Boom. I wonder what you got. An R34. I got a.

[Matt Farah]

So wait, yours is an S, right?

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, Side. Side draft, two valve S. I wonder if that's how God intended the countach.

[Matt Farah]

I wonder if. If yours. So have you ever seen the spacer plates that they use so.

[Doug DeMuro]

From you because of you.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I wonder if yours had different spacer plates and they. Or they put different spacer plates.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's a good question.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know the cylinders. Let's.

[Doug DeMuro]

I should call George. George Evans is the one who did it and he said, do it a lot back then.

[Matt Farah]

I'm gonna sound like a idiot. There's gotta be a test that they can do to determine the actual displacement of the engine.

[Doug DeMuro]

I mean, they put the pistons in so like they know the. That's. I'm like, they must, right?

[Matt Farah]

Like.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I am interested. I don't know. But it is bored out. So I'm gonna say yeah, I got a five and a half, big old whatever it is. Do you remember last time I was on this podcast, I insulted Joe Psaki. I regret it so dearly. Okay, so Joe Sackey, a visionary in the car world. Okay, so I'm always looking for a cheap F40. I'm never gonna do it because the cheap F40 has now become too expensive even for me. And Joe was sort of looking for one for me. Like, he. I didn't commission him to do it, but he would text me every six months or so being like, hey, I found this one. So he like kind of knew that if he put the right car in front of me, I might bite. And then I made fun of on this podcast, but I haven't heard from him since.

[Matt Farah]

Sense. I don't think he listens, but maybe someone told him. Someone told him. Yeah, yeah, look, there's some F40s. No, I was just at this guy's collection yesterday and he had a 45,000 mile F40 that he apparently sent to DK and had them do the full mechanical thing and like leave the rest of it rough. And apparently he rips on it.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're gone, they're gone. Now The Gas Monkey F40 came up for sale and I. I went real hard on it to try to really. And I don't know, it was at a dealership and I lost it. I offered a pretty low amount but they were kind of interested. We went back and forth and it didn't end up working out. But that car, The Gas Monkey at 40 is back to red with stock wheels, stock interior and you would never know. And in fact at one I spoke to Houston Croaster who was a previous owner of it and he told me that a couple owners before him there was a guy who bought it who didn't know.

[Matt Farah]

That's so funny. How many owners have it had so many since then?

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know since Gas Monkey. But a famous baseball player bought it. After Gas Monkey went to Barrett Jackson, it sold to somebody legit like Reggie Jackson. Somebody like that bought it and then it got caught up in a scam. It was seized by the government and then a couple people, then this guy who bought it didn't know. There's the Gas Monkey. I mean it's had a path.

[Matt Farah]

This is great.

[Doug DeMuro]

And that's the car for you. But that is exactly the car for me. Houston told me, not you.

[Matt Farah]

Ed Bulian. Right, Houston.

[Doug DeMuro]

And let me tell you. Yeah, Houston told me that it drove well. When he had. It drove well. It was like totally fine. But I couldn't. It was just a little too expensive even for me. It had serious damage. The car was in a serious accident. And then there's a scene. And this is the thing that will dog this car for the rest of its life. Maybe you remember this. But there's a scene in that Gas Monkey where they're putting it back together and they've done this computer simulation of exactly how. Where everything should fit and. And they take the chassis and fit it in this exact spot. So everything to the millimeter matches up. And they get the car and they're putting it all back together and one of the engine mounts is this far off completely doesn't fit and they're like eh, just weld it. And so they like. They like either cut the chassis into or weld it in some way. And that was how they solved that problem and they just moved on. And who knows if that was just a TV thing.

[Matt Farah]

TV build F40 dude.

[Doug DeMuro]

Who knows if that even. Even happen. Right? But you will, that story will always be told about that car.

[Matt Farah]

Crazy. Yeah, yeah. No, on happens on tv. It happens forever.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Like a Bob Ross pan that.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right. That's on YouTube now. That clip going around YouTube. And I told a couple people I was interested in the car, and they were like, did you see this?

[Matt Farah]

And you're gonna have to defend 15 years ago, even if it was like. Even if the whole thing was repaired properly.

[Doug DeMuro]

Classic. You have to tell that story forever. Absolutely.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you want to do some questions?

[Zach]

No, I just. I was closing a tab. I wasn't.

[Matt Farah]

Let's get to a couple questions because. Oh, man, we've been. We've been on it.

[Doug DeMuro]

What time is it?

[Matt Farah]

It's 11:30. What time do you have to go?

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't have a time.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is the. This is the most wonderful time of the year.

[Zach]

Doug has eaten eight Almond Joys and three Milky Ways.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is my Christmas. You know what Christmas is like at my house now? There's screaming and toys, and the Lego gets open and has to immediately be put together. This is my Christmas.

[Zach]

Sure, you're welcome.

[Matt Farah]

I'm happy to. I'm surprised. It doesn't even look like that, but. Bowl of candy's been touched.

[Doug DeMuro]

I just even. This is. I'm like, I don't.

[Zach]

Audio listeners. Doug is flying right now.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's like Cookie Monster. Do you know that? Cookie Monster. You guys probably don't watch the Sesame street, but Cookie Monster. You know how he used to eat the cookies?

[Matt Farah]

Yes. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Apparently he now is converted to being like.

[Matt Farah]

He's gluten free.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, he's like. He's like salad eating now. Because they didn't want to teach the children this bad habit. And that's me. Now I want to tell all the listeners out there, I've only done this for the sake of the tradition and entertainment it is.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, when they're all laid out in the pile there, it does look a little bit compulsive almost. It's a.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's. It's.

[Matt Farah]

It's. Yeah. Wow. Okay, let's go to the people. Let's go to the fucking people. Patreon.com the SmokentyRepodcast if you want to ask questions of our guests, if you want to get the show early, if you want to get the show without ads, watch it live and get extra show Patreon.

[Doug DeMuro]

How many people? How many people you got on Patreon? Do you announce these numbers or. This is a private company. We don't say. You're making big bank from it, huh?

[Matt Farah]

It does. Good.

[Zach]

You'll find it in the Panama Papers too. Otherwise, I'm not telling anybody.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Daily and Explorer St. Says what can we Fans expect from each of you in 20, 26.

[Doug DeMuro]

What are you doing in 20? I'm not doing anything. I didn't. Shouldn't have bought this.993 Turbo. What are you doing?

[Matt Farah]

Well, I just. I told you before about this Mercedes project. This is a fun LA Cruiser. The hypothetical E500 Cabriolet.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Hopefully finishing the Countach. Finally, after three and a half years, it'll be four when it's done. We were thinking maybe instead of car week this year, Dream Cruise.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, my God. I know.

[Matt Farah]

I.

[Doug DeMuro]

One year I wanted to.

[Matt Farah]

You want to go?

[Doug DeMuro]

I'm. I'm almost certainly going to be on the east coast this summer for both of these events, but.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but you could leave Nantucket for a weekend. Detroit.

[Doug DeMuro]

We don't leave. I have a rule. I don't leave. I literally. That is like, literally my rule. No traffic lights from June and July. I Dream Cruise is the same week, which is a. Which is such a shame.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it is.

[Doug DeMuro]

I don't know if you do that.

[Matt Farah]

Have you ever been.

[Doug DeMuro]

Have you ever been down Woodward on just a normal Saturday night in the summer?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's like crazy. It's even then. It's so cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I haven't been a Dream cruise in 10 years.

[Doug DeMuro]

You have been before.

[Matt Farah]

I've been. Yes. I've been two or three times. It is fun. And I think if I go this year, I want. I want like, I want to drive like concept cars. Like, I want to go like, I want someone to pull some shit out of the museum.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can I tell you something? I drove a Cadillac. Go to. Can you go to my Instagram? Zach, I drove a Cadillac concept car from the 80s. This is the greatest thing that ever happened. Scroll down.

[Matt Farah]

Wait, not that. That one. That's the one from Demolition Man. Dude.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, that's. Turns out the two door was from Demolition Man. This is the four door.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, you're right.

[Doug DeMuro]

Look at that. God damn, look at that. I drove that.

[Matt Farah]

What was that one called?

[Doug DeMuro]

This was called the Voyage. The two door was called. The two door had some other name that made you think it was gonna go anywhere, but in truth, it can't leave the General Motors Technical center campus, which is ironic.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, because you also drove the new one. The new Cadillac.

[Doug DeMuro]

I drove the Celeste stick.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Was it a. Awesome.

[Doug DeMuro]

It is so good. Like, it is absolutely. Rolls Royce Bentley quality.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And they'll sell none of them.

[Doug DeMuro]

They'll sell none. Who's paying $400 for a Cadillac? Have you driven one?

[Matt Farah]

No. I'D love to.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was amazing. Like, my video's coming. Watch the video. Even though I'm gonna talk about it, I don't care, actually. It was so good. It truly drove like a Rolls Royce or. It was so comfortable. The fit and finish is unbelievable. It is a $400,000 base price Cadillac.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they'll sell none.

[Doug DeMuro]

They'll sell none and they're gonna depreciate.

[Matt Farah]

I really would love to drive one, though. Oh, that might be the depreciation station. Yeah, that's. That's where we pick one of Those.

[Doug DeMuro]

Up for 125 next Thursday.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah, that could be the move.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I drove the concept car and what I learned is, you know, none of them. You don't want to drive a concept car.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, no. It's hot. Probably right? Windows don't open. No. No H Vac.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's hot. There's no. Okay. So that you see front wheel spats.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. So your turning radius a little fucked up.

[Doug DeMuro]

On the contrary. This particular car, one of its futuristic inventions was that it had the covers of the front wheels for aero, for fuel efficiency, like they will in the future. But when you turn the wheel, an electronic actuator came out, opened up the things and you could turn no problem.

[Matt Farah]

Well, that's pretty cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's what they told people as the company concept car. In reality, when you turn the wheel, what happens is the electronic actuator is your front wheels. And so you turn them and they push it up.

[Matt Farah]

Wow.

[Zach]

Yeah. Otherwise the actuator reacts so quickly, like in a parking garage or something.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's absurd. That's so true. Like, any trim on the steering, it would. It would have, you know, is there.

[Matt Farah]

Like a little roller on the inside of it to the tire?

[Doug DeMuro]

There is something like that, but you could hear it. Like you're driving around. I'm halfway through the drive. I'm like, what is that? He's like, oh, that's the wheel pushing on the. I'm like. I thought there was an electronic actuator, but yeah, it's hot. This car has a. A rearview mirror camera that works.

[Matt Farah]

No way.

[Doug DeMuro]

This car had some really, like, advanced stuff.

[Matt Farah]

This is like 90.

[Doug DeMuro]

It was like 89. Oh, was it that old somewhere in there? I don't remember. I had the video co up in like a month and. And it's. And I got.

[Matt Farah]

Man, that front end is very much the associate Bob demolition man car.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah, the. The two door one looked basically identical.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

But you don't want to be. And the other thing is the automakers. I actually have to give huge. I don't. I. I think our relationships with the automaker should be a little bit more adversarial than it is. But I give huge props to GM for letting me do this. Like they gain nothing from this. Like they're letting Me review a 30 year old concept car that is. You know, it does and all. You can make fun of it if you wanted to.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It doesn't represent.

[Doug DeMuro]

It doesn't represent the brand. It's not furthering anybody's goals. And.

[Matt Farah]

But.

[Doug DeMuro]

But I did it and it was cool.

[Matt Farah]

But just. Just whimsy. It's for whimsy.

[Doug DeMuro]

What am I. Yeah, that's right. What am I going to do in 26? Nothing.

[Matt Farah]

Cool. You're going to start using the word winter as a verb as well as the word summer.

[Doug DeMuro]

Dude, I wish my kids school. The school schedule is a real disaster.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Rage against the Mach E. Should manuals and SUVs come back? No.

[Doug DeMuro]

What did you think of that Cayenne sale? That green Cayenne we sold for 125.

[Matt Farah]

I. I am extremely confused by it. It makes absolutely no sense.

[Doug DeMuro]

You think that makes no sense? People all the time are buying these for ridiculous money on the auction sites. That are just absurd.

[Matt Farah]

A V6 Cayenne? What are we going.

[Doug DeMuro]

You gonna find a green manual? You gonna find a green manual?

[Matt Farah]

Why would I want a green manual?

[Zach]

Talk about an overpriced driving experience.

[Matt Farah]

Why would I want.

[Doug DeMuro]

Why would I want half the cars out there? Okay.

[Matt Farah]

I saw you saw you see that Philip sent his Cayenne back to Sunderwunch to have it redone. That's a. I have opinions post economic.

[Zach]

What?

[Matt Farah]

Whatever, man. Whatever you want to do.

[Doug DeMuro]

Dude, I gotta tell you. I don't know if you've been paying attention but like among the Courier GT owners. So the A Lot of Courage owner has been sending their cars back. The results have been some of the ugliest things that you'll ever seen in your life. I'm gonna show you the picture. I'll send this to you so you can post it.

[Matt Farah]

I went to Porsche Atlanta to Porsche Classic. Yeah. And they wouldn't let me take pictures.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And they showed me inside their restorations for a variety of cars.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

There was multiple Carrera GTS.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

There was a bunch of GT3 RS 4.0s that people wanted in other colors besides white or black.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Couple of them were cool. One or two were cool. I saw perhaps the ugliest Carrera GT I've ever seen.

[Doug DeMuro]

What color was, was a.

[Matt Farah]

It was a Jewish racing gold champagne. But not done well.

[Doug DeMuro]

Okay, check this out because this has been going on and I got to tell you, I honestly think that someday having the silver car that it hasn't had this done to it is going to be valuable.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

This Carrera GT went back and the guy wanted all purple carbon but. But they couldn't do the front bumper because the bumper wasn't carbon.

[Matt Farah]

The bumper's not carbon.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you have this shut line.

[Matt Farah]

I'm sorry. It's just a plastic bumper. Unpainte.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is a multi million dollar recommission.

[Matt Farah]

Finished.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is finished.

[Matt Farah]

That's insane.

[Doug DeMuro]

The carbon and the bumper are. They meet and they're at odds. And so it emphasizes the fact that the hood and the bumper are different colors. Like a guy who's got a junkyard part for his Toyota celica.

[Matt Farah]

Like Magnus's996. Yeah. Right. That's crazy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Two million.

[Zach]

It looks like he had a leather bra on it for 10 years and took it off.

[Matt Farah]

Think they'd wrap it in one layer? You know, one outer layer.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right. Just wrap it.

[Matt Farah]

No. Like in one layer of carbon. For that kind of money.

[Doug DeMuro]

For that kind of money. Do that.

[Matt Farah]

The one layer of carbon on the out.

[Doug DeMuro]

What the. And. And that isn't even the worst. And. And I. Someone sent me a picture.

[Matt Farah]

That's about the worst I've seen.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's pretty bad. Someone sent me a picture. Someone did a guards red one and they switched it into orange with black wheels and the windshield. A pillars are black and it's like, it's like guards red. They're only like 50 of them.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Red is pretty good on a Carrera gt. I would not take that out.

[Doug DeMuro]

Yikes. That's what people. Yes. I saw Philip's build there and it was not what I would have done.

[Matt Farah]

I, I think, I think, I think Philip has pretty good taste and stuff. I think he, his, his. The way he sees color and texture is really good.

[Doug DeMuro]

I think that Porsche is really wants as much money as they can at this current situation. They're at a juncture where like money is nice. Yeah. And they are saying yes to everything.

[Matt Farah]

And they I think were. So they're trying to find a way to do an atelier type of thing. Cause like imagine how mad you are if you're Porsche. That singer can build a 930 Turbo.

[Doug DeMuro]

Today and charge 3 million and sell.

[Matt Farah]

It for a million pounds.

[Doug DeMuro]

And the other thing is the unsaid thing Here is that all these people whose primary interest in Porsches is the colors and the stitching and the leather on those cars like Courier gt, they're all silver basically.

[Matt Farah]

So.

[Doug DeMuro]

So you couldn't do that even if you had been able to buy one new. You couldn't have done it really. Back then, Petrie sample was barely available. Here's the opportunity to let your Porsche flag fly.

[Matt Farah]

Sure. Harlequin E63AMG. Is the online enthusiast car auction marketplace going in the wrong direction? High end stuff still commands a premium and reaches the right bidders. But is there a concern that the watering down of the marketplace marketplace is driving it to become ebay motors? I'm not sure what the evidence go to.

[Doug DeMuro]

Go to Carson, but what do we got right now that looks watered down? We got good stuff, I bet.

[Matt Farah]

Do you have. Has it been watered down? I think that I don't see anything on the front page that is not at least reasonable.

[Zach]

I think there's another auction site that has started selling a lot more.

[Doug DeMuro]

It has been interesting to watch ebay.

[Zach]

Stuff which has been surprising that.

[Doug DeMuro]

But also it has been interesting to watch what's happened to bring a trailer ultimately with new ownership who's trying to maximize value. I've been surprised by it because we've seen cars that we've rejected show up there. They've definitely started to do some kind of lesser. Not that we don't have. I think the truth is though, I don't even hate him for that because ultimately there's an enthusiast for everything. We have this guy who works with us, Kennan, who's obsessed with E309 and occasionally we'll run one that's really rough. And he gets mad. He's like, we shouldn't be the site selling this. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, but like someone wants to make a track car, someone wants to do a build or I don't know, like there's a market for the salvage title stuff. Like I don't know. I don't think it's watered down. You look at that cross blade. You want one of those?

[Matt Farah]

The cross blade, you know, at the.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right price, you know what it is? It's the wrong price. You know what to sell for.

[Matt Farah]

The right price for me is like five grand, but they're worth like 50.

[Doug DeMuro]

They sell for 50. Do you believe that I went hard on one that we had?

[Matt Farah]

Well, remember that shit pile smart car SEMA build that I had that you ended up selling? Well, I mean that that's the same thing. That fucking. He got 30 grand for that thing. I could.

[Doug DeMuro]

I gave it away.

[Matt Farah]

I gave it away for basically nothing. Dude, that's kind of awesome.

[Doug DeMuro]

Actually these we've sold. This is the fifth one we've auctioned the fifth one. I went really hard on the third one and tried to get in there. I thought I could get it for like high 30s and it's all for like 57.

[Matt Farah]

This would be a fabulous Dan Tucket machine.

[Doug DeMuro]

It would be so cool. And that's what I was going to use, bro.

[Matt Farah]

Do you know what I just saw? Hannah just found this. There's these guys fucking these homies that are getting little tykes cozy coupes and making like a frame for them with big gold like Dayton looking bicycle wheels and driving these fucking things around. They are the sickest.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're so sick looking but they're so small. Like they're not enlarging the cozy.

[Matt Farah]

They're like adults in these things, like cruising around these gold date wheels.

[Doug DeMuro]

I, that is. Can you pull this?

[Zach]

I'm trying to find it.

[Matt Farah]

Alfa Romeo, Montreal. Smoked meat. What is the Mount Rushmore of glaring automaker missed opportunities such as Chevy launching a Raptor competitor and Nissan killing the Xterra right before the mark got hot. Those are two good ones.

[Doug DeMuro]

Ferrari not doing manual.

[Matt Farah]

I think it's a Ferrari not being manual.

[Doug DeMuro]

Like I get that it's slower and all that but like they would make if they came out with a limited edition of 200 manual. Whatever. People would pay whatever. Yeah, I think that's pretty wild. Especially for a public company. I think it's wild that they don't do that.

[Matt Farah]

That is actually. I can't think of a bigger, bigger one than the revenue that they could be making just doing manual. A tiny percentage of manual versions of their regular.

[Doug DeMuro]

You have to, you have to get it, you have to get it certified. Whatever it would cost. I guarantee you could make twice that back.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And meanwhile, Lambo hoards out everything, right? Bring the countach B. Like let's do whatever we can to make a little bit of money. I'm here for that. That's what Lambo has always represented.

[Matt Farah]

My girlfriend. My girlfriend grows to another school in Montana who are fast wagons really for nobody with the ability to buy a fast wagon is limited to only one.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know, that is such an interesting question. Right now I have as a press car the new E53AMG wagon.

[Matt Farah]

The 53 engine is kind of nice, isn't it?

[Doug DeMuro]

It's nice. I was asking, I was Thinking the exact same thing. I took it to play tennis and I got out and I. And I was thinking, I either want to be in a comfortable car right now because I'm exhausted or a sports car to, like, have a nice ride home, and it's neither.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I do wonder that, like, unless you're in New York City with literally one parking space, it's kind of a weird thing. Our E450 station wagon does 0.60in 4.6 seconds, and it's 10 times more comfortable and half the price as an E53. It's like, how do I justify. Why would I want to get into those AMG cars? It's no longer this performance Delta Delta, where it's like, you either do 0 to 60 in 10 seconds or you get an AMG. Like, our station wagon is really fast and comfortable, and I got the third row. I just. I don't know. It's a good question.

[Matt Farah]

Agree. They seem like a good idea, right? I mean, I say this as a guy with a Taycan wagon, but I don't have the fast one. I have the four. The slowest, softest one. It's basically the equivalent of your. It's basically the electric that. Yeah. I don't see them. And I've seen four. Four or five of my clients here go through Rs6s as dailies. They keep them for six months and they learn. They're boring.

[Doug DeMuro]

They're boring. They're kind of boring. And they beat you up.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

And fuel, you know, way too stiff. You know that. They're way too stiff. And like, as a family car, when I drive around my kids, I'm not trying to. I just want to chill because there's a lot going to happen.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

Also, do you know the M5 touring is EPA rated at 13 miles per gallon combined? 11 city. That's the same as the Escalade V. That's.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy.

[Doug DeMuro]

Think about that.

[Matt Farah]

Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

Even the E53 is 22 combined.

[Zach]

What's the Ford GT rated?

[Doug DeMuro]

That's a good question.

[Zach]

Probably very close.

[Matt Farah]

Probably 17 or 18. Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's 13 combined. So, like, I know people in that price point probably aren't usually thinking, but, like, at some point, that's like, they.

[Zach]

Think about the price of crude going up and down, not necessarily the price.

[Doug DeMuro]

Of gas, but still, like, I would if I had one of those cars. Even though I'm not really thinking about the price of gas, at some point, it enters your mind, like, what am I doing to myself? I'm getting Beaten up every day. I'm paying for fuel every other day just so I can drive around in this fast car. I'm not really using the performance.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

There's crushed up Cheetos in my cars.

[Matt Farah]

I was just thinking about cars are. Because I just had the Rivian quad. And we're going to talk about that independently on our next show. I've driven all the other Rivians. None of them have I ever used full throttle for anything outside of the video production process. Nor would I.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right there isn't Completely agree, bro.

[Matt Farah]

A thousand horsepower. Three row on knobbies. What are we doing?

[Doug DeMuro]

They sent me a quad and it was really cool. But like my neighbors who saw it. Oh, what? This is new Rivian. Yeah. And I tell them, should I get it? No, you should get a. You should get a duel.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

You, my neighbor, an attorney should get a duel.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

This is insane. I think Rivian wants to do it because they like winning those Jason kids kamisa drag races. And it's really good press. But like, come on. And it's absurd.

[Matt Farah]

It's. It. If you happen to get the chance to go off roading with a quad. And I didn't get to do with Rivian, but I did get to do it with the G wagon and the old Rivian. Amazing. Really, really amazing wheel control and precision and all that kind of stuff. And. But. And I. And I. I totally understand because we've been through it a million times times that like, it's. It's so cheap to add horsepower if you have the battery thing that it just makes sense to have the thing to brag about. But, like, I think we might need.

[Doug DeMuro]

To use some restraint flooring it in that quad. I'm sure you'll talk about this when you do. But it's like. And me and my buddies took it to dinner, so six of us in there and flooring it with all six. I'm like, this is just sketch. Yeah. This is just on a level that I don't need to be at.

[Matt Farah]

Do you have an. An S or a T SUV or the truck? So the S also. I. The S has, I believe, the same steering ratio as the T and 18 inches less wheelbase, which makes it drive like a car with a cut wheelbase, like an Audi Sport Quattro or a Lancia Stratos or like one of those cars where they cut the wheelbase like for rallying. So the way it moves.

[Doug DeMuro]

That's so true. It did feel like that, if you know what it felt like was the V8 Defender 90.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where it's just like. Actually defenders are the same way. The 110 feels normal and the 90 feels like a car with a cut wheelbase. So it's. And now you have a thousand horsepower with this. The way it moves, it can be like a. So if you get in over your head, you jam on the brakes and you try to steer, it's like.

[Doug DeMuro]

Right. That's exactly what it's. It's a cool car. It was super cool.

[Matt Farah]

I like Rivians. This that's in the middle. Otherwise, positive review of a well made.

[Doug DeMuro]

And the duel is the one.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

For everybody.

[Matt Farah]

Just nobody needs that. Right, man. That's our fucking. That's our show. That's almost.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh my God.

[Matt Farah]

Is that an hour and 45. Right?

[Doug DeMuro]

Give us one more good question.

[Matt Farah]

All right. Challenge Stradali Llama, which is a fabulous name. If you could each be on a TV game show, current or past, what would it be? I, I, I'm Price is Right till I die.

[Doug DeMuro]

Really?

[Matt Farah]

Price is Right till I die.

[Doug DeMuro]

Did you ever. I mean it's like local.

[Matt Farah]

When I first moved to la, I did go see the, the prices right. And get in the audience with my.

[Doug DeMuro]

But you didn't get Knock it on. No. Huh. Uh, I don't know. Jeopardy.

[Zach]

Oh, American Gladiators. When I was younger, for sure hyperdrive would have been Fun.

[Doug DeMuro]

Hyperdrive Car 1.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

But now I think I would do make some noise on Dropout, which is like a silly improv game show. There's no prize money.

[Matt Farah]

I'd be. I'd be a guest on Zach Clapman's driver's test.

[Zach]

Which you will be.

[Matt Farah]

Which I will be next week.

[Doug DeMuro]

And by the way, we didn't discuss that you were won this award. We were going to talk about. We didn't talk about.

[Matt Farah]

It's so important. It's so important. It just rules over everything. I don't think this can live here anymore.

[Zach]

It's very heavy.

[Doug DeMuro]

You want you beat me.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think we were we up against them.

[Zach]

Yeah, I think they were nominated.

[Matt Farah]

Well, you know, look, you make more money than me.

[Zach]

True.

[Matt Farah]

You make more money than me. So I'll take this.

[Doug DeMuro]

But wouldn't you rather have the award?

[Matt Farah]

No, I'll trade.

[Zach]

We can trade you the award for your career.

[Matt Farah]

I'll trade you. No problem.

[Doug DeMuro]

I need to be recognized by my peers.

[Matt Farah]

I'll tell everybody you got. You won and the whole thing. You won't ever see me again. Thanks, buddy. Best time of the year.

[Doug DeMuro]

Best time of the year.

[Matt Farah]

It's my birthday too, you know.

[Doug DeMuro]

Is that true? When's your birthday? Today. Oh, my God. 44.

[Matt Farah]

44. Wow.

[Doug DeMuro]

What are you gonna do to celebrate?

[Matt Farah]

Well, tonight. Yeah, you and Hannah and I and. No, not me and Hannah, actually. Tonight is boys night. There's a. A chef who's pretty well known and incredibly talented who was on Chef's Table on Netflix last season. He's cooking dinner for us at his restaurant personally, which is pretty cool.

[Doug DeMuro]

That sounds, sounds fun.

[Matt Farah]

That's gonna be pretty awesome.

[Doug DeMuro]

Sounds. Sounds like it'd be. It'd be nice to be there.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And then I'm going racing. I'm going to Texas this weekend. I'm racing at Coda Endurance racing with what in an E92 M3 with. Dude, I'm the endurance of the engine. My three teammates are this dude, Tato Seiderman, who's like a 22 year old fucking hot shoe who's ripping up Super Trofeo right now in the amateur class. Tommy Kendall and Johnny Lieberman.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, damn.

[Matt Farah]

And I think Sergio Tato's dad might drive a stint.

[Zach]

Wasn't Bell.

[Matt Farah]

I don't, I don't have confirmation that Justin Bell, he might have to go. He might have had to go to work.

[Doug DeMuro]

Can I tell you something?

[Matt Farah]

Justin Bell may or may not be driving.

[Doug DeMuro]

Actually do something that's productive. Can I tell you something about Johnny Lieberman? I talk about Johnny a lot on this show.

[Matt Farah]

I can't wait.

[Doug DeMuro]

Because remember on the show previously I've said that he should start his own YouTube channel. She's now done. You're welcome.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Doug DeMuro]

You know what, you know what, what happened the other day? I was at the Hyundai Design center in Irvine. And you know who was there? Johnny Lieberman. And you know what? First time I've ever met him in my life.

[Matt Farah]

No way.

[Doug DeMuro]

And I hugged him and I hugged him and I think he thought the hug was weird. And to an extent it was weird. I've never met the person before. And I hugged him and I didn't really give him a chance not to hug me.

[Matt Farah]

Did you have a nice time?

[Doug DeMuro]

My interaction with Lieberman was limited to the hug. And then a couple of words. He said, I can't believe you came out of your house house for this. And I said, me too.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that seems to be a thing that you wouldn't go to.

[Doug DeMuro]

Well, you know what it was, it was for the Hyundai Crater, which was a concept car. And I will do some stuff for concept cars. I went to Detroit to film that Cadillac.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. No, you're. You're in my level of nerdery.

[Doug DeMuro]

I like a good concept car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

[Doug DeMuro]

I wanted to do the Cadillac cn, by the way. So I'm one, isn't it? Yeah. Although apparently they don't. They don't have the engine for it anymore.

[Matt Farah]

Oh.

[Doug DeMuro]

Anyway, Johnny Lieberman. I hugged him, and that's my Johnny Lieberman story.

[Matt Farah]

Well, I'm gonna be. He is in Portugal doing something right now and flying to Austin and meeting us there. So we're gonna be hopefully doing some racing. Zach and I have one more show before I leave, and I'll talk a little bit more about the racing. But that's our show. You know where to find Doug. You don't need to ask me. Cars and bids driving around San Diego in a 993 Turbo Doug DeMuro YouTube channel.

[Doug DeMuro]

5.03 million, but it's, like, stopped.

[Matt Farah]

I know.

[Doug DeMuro]

More growth.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, no. Me too.

[Doug DeMuro]

It's gonna be 5.034 people. Like, what are you gonna do at 6? I'm gonna be dead.

[Matt Farah]

Let's talk about what aren't we doing in 2026? Growing our social media and YouTube channels.

[Doug DeMuro]

Unfortunately, accurate.

[Matt Farah]

This is gonna be the year we pivot offline.

[Zach]

Make a magazine or a newspaper.

[Doug DeMuro]

Oh, for the.

[Matt Farah]

For those of you who did the Doug candy drinking game. Wow, you're probably wasted. 3, 4, 5.

[Doug DeMuro]

I can't do this.

[Matt Farah]

7, 8, 9.

[Doug DeMuro]

Carrots. 11 parts. I'm bringing carrots.

[Matt Farah]

Doug Demuro, folks. We'll see you next time. Bye.

[Doug DeMuro]

Pleasure.