Driven: Czinger on Track; Gunther Works F-26 in RAIN; Q&A

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Smoking Tire – “Driven: Czinger on Track; Gunther Works F-26 in RAIN; Q&A”

Hosts: Matt Farah, Zack Klapman
Date: June 2, 2026

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Overview

This episode dives deep into the uniquely extreme world of hypercars and ultra-911s. Matt and Zack share their recent test drives: Matt’s solo session with the Czinger 21C at Willow Springs, and their joint experience in Gunther Werks’ all-new F-26 “Slantnose” 993 in challenging conditions. The latter part of the show fielded insightful Patreon questions covering everything from collectible EVs to spirited daily drivers.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Restaurant War Stories & Hypercar Relatability

[00:00–02:04]

• Brief banter about restaurant industry experiences; Zack reflects on nightmares post-hospitality job.
• Matt jokes the episode will skew unrelatable: "Do we talk about the car that's $1.5 million or the car that's $2.5 million first?" (Matt, 02:25)

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2. Driving the Czinger 21C (High Downforce)

[02:38–42:58]

The Setup and Aesthetics

• Matt gets unique access to drive the latest, highest-downforce Czinger 21C on an empty Willow Springs.
• Praises the 'rattlesnake green-tinted carbon,' calling it "the coolest carbon fiber car I think I've ever seen." (Matt, 04:44)
• Describes the car’s spaceship-like design and innovative production techniques.

Track Impressions & Performance

• Performance specs: 1250hp hybrid with 2.88L, twin-turbo V8 revving to 11,000rpm; center-seat, tri-motor hybrid.
• "It's so fast that on the Streets of Willow, you can only go flat, really, two places, and for a maximum of about two and a half seconds." (Matt, 06:20)
• Only allowed solo on-track, with strict instructions not to time laps.

Driving Experience & Ergonomics

• Highlights unusual ergonomics ("Center seat is easier to adapt to than right-hand drive. Easy to place; amazing fender sightlines," 16:11–16:40).
• Handling: "It’s a prototype race car on a road tire—sticky, incredibly balanced. The steering’s a little heavy...but you just have this magical front end." (Matt, 15:15)
• A-pillars and visibility require a ‘new way’ of looking through corners.

Usability & Comfort

• "If you wanted to...you could do a thousand miles in this car and go to dinner." (Matt, 27:41)
• "This green car has the comfort seat—a beautiful Recaro road car seat...super roomy." (Matt, 27:41)
• Critiques comfort seat: not enough lateral support for high-G loads.

Critiques/Differences from Other Hypercars

• Transmission: Motor generator smooths out single-clutch shifts—but not in ‘Track Plus’ mode, where shifts get brutal (“It punches a little bit...kicked like an Aventador SVJ”—Matt, 31:49).
• Drive modes: Smoother shifts at low rpm/speeds, aggressive at full attack.
• "At 150 mph, this car makes its own weight in downforce—‘You could drive it upside down.’” (Matt, 34:47)
• Track orientation but also 'fun at low speeds'; "Few cars let you experience ordinary places in a totally new way. The only others are like the BAC Mono—except this is a nice car." (Matt, 40:20)

Notable Quotes & Moments

• "[Driving] was so fast, it's so sharp, and just like driving on the road with that view and the A-pillars...you have to look at every corner kind of in a new way." (Matt, 15:38)
• "Keeping up with it is extremely challenging—even to somebody who drives a lot." (Matt, 16:40)
• On being nervous: "I don't need to be a hero and slide it. Especially with the funky yoke..." (Matt, 15:15)
• Comparison to F1-level horsepower being ‘for sale at dealerships’: “We are buying Formula 1 horsepower at dealerships.” (Zach, 18:01)

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3. Gunther Werks F-26 “Slantnose” in the Rain

[43:07–65:37]

Aesthetic & Engineering

• Newest Gunther Werks build: F-26, inspired by the original Porsche ‘930’ slant nose and fighter-jet themes.
• Features widebody, superior chassis bracing ("200% stiffer structure"), double-wishbone front suspension, and advanced control arms.
• Exterior: Slant nose divides the hosts—"Slant nose is less elegant than round headlight turbo" (Matt, 46:30)

On the Road: Ride and Handling

• Praised for ride quality: "One of the really good things about this car is the ride. The ride was really good." (Matt, 47:58)
• Significant improvement over past Gunther Werks—less darty steering, less tramlining despite massive 295 section front tires.

The Engine: A Monster

• Raw Sport Racing 4L twin-turbo flat-six: 1067 hp (E85), 950ish on 91 octane; "Most powerful Gunther motor ever."
• "It was absolutely too much." (Zach, 50:05)
• Violent, terrifying acceleration: "Spins tires thru 2nd and 3rd, chirps 4th, with motorsport-grade traction control engaged." (Matt, 52:11)
• Mechanical noise: "Inside, one of the loudest cars I've ever driven. I had to take a nap after a morning drive." (Matt, 52:31)
• Seats look like race buckets but provide “not enough side bolstering” (both hosts; 53:39–54:21).

Critique – The Limits of ‘Extreme’

• “This car is successful at its mission: the most egregiously overpowered and extreme air-cooled 911 ever...Stop. Just stop. We're good here.” (Matt, 54:36)
• "This is a car for psychos. You just—I hope you have the talent." (Matt, 60:33)
• Hosts argue for Gunther to build a dialed-back, more comfortable, more usable next-gen model—“They need an acoustic album,” jokes Zack (Zach, 64:23)

Notable Quotes & Moments

• "[Gunther] needs to do like a 992 Sport Classic: clean lines, twin-turbo power, rear drive, but dial it fucking down." (Matt, 65:06)
• “This is probably the scariest car I’ve ever driven.” (Matt, 61:05)
• "It beats you up so bad. They have these bucket seats...but actually don't have enough side bolstering to hold you in." (Matt, 53:39)

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4. Q&A Highlights

[72:06–End]

• EV Resale Ceiling: Theorizing that the public will not pay over ~$150k for most EVs (excluding launches/flippers)—"There's some validity to my theory; general public appetite ends at $160k, more or less." (Matt, 71:14–71:31)
• Daily-Driver Dilemmas: Civic Si or Prius? "A Prius is not fun...A Civic Si means driving stick, looking better, but less mpg. It comes down to your cost and comfort priorities." (Matt & Zach, 94:15–95:57)
• Best 'missed' cars: Matt doesn't have regrets but mentions the desire to revisit a Skyline or a 2000 Civic Si someday.
• Speed limit mismatches: Matt laments America's percentile-based speed limit setting and calls for better use of natural road cues rather than just speed traps.
• Gunther Werks vs Singer: Gunther’s latest is "exhausting," while Singer’s Turbo "could be a daily for the next 20 years."
• FCAs for loud, high-power builds: "If you haven't done some competitive racing, be careful...you could so quickly get yourself into trouble." (Zach, 60:42)

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Notable Quotes – Fast Takes

• “It’s a prototype race car on a road tire—sticky, incredibly balanced...” (Czinger review, Matt, 15:15, 08:31–16:41)
• “Keeping up with it is extremely challenging—even to somebody who drives a lot.” (Czinger, Matt, 16:40)
• “The [Gunther] pulls the same in 4th and 5th—like Koenigsegg acceleration. It’s wild.” (F-26, Matt, 52:31)
• “This is a car for psychos. You just—I hope you have the talent.” (F-26 wrap-up, Matt, 60:33)
• “They need an acoustic album. That’s where we’re at.” (Gunther Werks, Zach, 64:23)

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Key Timestamps

• 02:38–42:58: Czinger 21C high-downforce review, tech, and impressions
• 43:07–65:37: Gunther Werks F-26: Looks, engineering, the drive, and the future
• 66:01–72:06: EV resale values, online auction market trends
• 72:06–End: Patreon Q&A: daily drivers, speed limits, missed cars, show tips, etc.

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Tone & Style

Conversational, candid, often irreverent. Matt and Zack tell stories and critique supercars and the industry with equal parts expertise and self-deprecation. Their reviews are experiential—full of sensory details, memorable metaphors, and colorful language (“this car fucks so hard” / “it’s for psychos”).

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Summary Takeaways

• Czinger 21C is legitimately a hypercar revolution—feels like a prototype racer, intoxicatingly fast, beautifully built, and uniquely usable for its class.
• Gunther Werks F-26 is the “final boss” of air-cooled 911s—visually striking, unbelievably powerful, but arguably too brutal for real-world use.
• The future of collectible EVs appears limited by both price and public interest.
• For enthusiasts debating practical fun, engagement trumps mere efficiency (unless your wallet says otherwise).
• Both hosts urge boutique performance builders to remember comfort and usability—supercars shouldn’t be so extreme they’re miserable.

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Listen for:

• Firsthand, sensory accounts of driving world-class cars at their limits
• Riffing on what makes a modern performance car special (or exhausting)
• Car-nerd market deep-dives and unscripted listener Q&A

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Useful Links

• YouTube: The Smoking Tire
• Patreon: The Smoking Tire Podcast

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(Summary excludes advertisements and unrelated banter before [02:04] and after [97:30].)

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach Jobe]

We could do a patreon. Just restaurant stories. Someday.

[Matt Farah]

We should. Zach's restaurant stories, I bet, are fucking proper. I mean, Carl's were insanity.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, Anthony Bourdain's made a career on that very. Telling crazy restaurant stories.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. Yeah. All right.

[Matt Farah]

That's where a bunch of fucking pirates work.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. That's why it's. Artists meet criminals, meet, like, really interesting people who might have gotten, I don't know, ejected from other businesses or they don't want to be in those other businesses. They like working at night. They like the pressure. I mean, there's an adrenaline junkie aspect to it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It's action.

[Zach Jobe]

It's definitely. It is the most stressful job I've ever had.

[Matt Farah]

For sure.

[Zach Jobe]

I've, like. I've had, like, five production nightmares in my life. I had six months of server nightmares after I quit.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So that's fucking crazy. Anyway, cars, cars, cars.

[Zach Jobe]

We drove many.

[Matt Farah]

Dude, this is not gonna be a relatable episode. That what you just told about the coffee making guy is gonna be the most relatable thing on this. There's nothing. I have a list, and there's just nothing.

[Zach Jobe]

Cars driven in the last couple weeks are like. They go from extremely expensive.

[Matt Farah]

Do we Talk about the car that's 1.5 million or the car that's 2.5 million first. As opposed to the cars from last week, both of which were like a million.

[Zach Jobe]

Right. Should we go chronologically? Let's go chronologically.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. So. Zinger. Zinger.

[Zach Jobe]

And even though, I mean, this car is like extremely expensive, but I feel like YouTube the response showed us people are excited about it because it looks like a spaceship.

[Matt Farah]

Well, there's like so much going on with the Zinger. There's how funny that. That's. I had another photo, don't I? Oh, the one of me standing on the. On the. On the front wing, too. Yeah, I'm standing on the front wing. The 21C. This is the high downforce car. So I drove. And you didn't get to drive it, did you?

[Zach Jobe]

Are you bringing it up now to rub it in as a joke? Or are you actually forgetting, despite how many times we've talked about this, I'm

[Matt Farah]

bringing it up to representation. Are you serious?

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. Are you?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. No.

[Zach Jobe]

Fucking dick.

[Matt Farah]

This one.

[Zach Jobe]

I was serving the country, Matt.

[Matt Farah]

You were serving the country.

[Zach Jobe]

Injury of duty.

[Matt Farah]

Not this one, but the silver one either. You got to have a ride in. Not really.

[Zach Jobe]

Tends to have a paperwork issue.

[Matt Farah]

Paperwork issue one of these days. Cause these Zinger is cool.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah, they are.

[Matt Farah]

You know, they. They like us. Cause we take good care of the cars and we're not fucking idiots. And we speak the truth about them, I think. So anyway, I got to go drive the high downforce car at Willow Springs. What a treat to have a membership there and get a whole track to myself. Because the only way that rightly that they will let one on a track is if you get a track all to yourself. So you can't just take one to a track day. Not the press one, anyway. The color of this one, this is the best zinger I've seen. The color is like rattlesnake green tinted carbon. And it fucking fucks so hard. It's awesome.

[Zach Jobe]

When we were at the factory, we either saw. We saw some panels done in this. I think it was being developed, maybe it was for this one. And I remember looking at it and just staring. I was like, that's the prettiest carbon fiber panel I've ever seen in my life.

[Matt Farah]

This is the coolest carbon fiber car I think I've ever seen. In terms. Just the color matching the car. And so I really didn't want to get it dirty.

[Zach Jobe]

Weird thing. You drove in the desert.

[Matt Farah]

Didn't really want to. Oh, the desert's not bad. I didn't want to fucking spin it off into the gravel.

[Zach Jobe]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So, you know, when we drove the silver car, which you could see on our YouTube channel, drove it on the road. That's the low drag car. They call it the vmax, which is very pretty with the long tail, very clean design. The car was clearly designed with the downforce first, the other way around. And, you know, on the street, it's not like you really need that much downforce, but should you get the opportunity to go very, very fast in the V max, when you transition from hard throttle to hard brake at high speeds, as happens with other cars without a big fucking wing, the back gets light. It's not unmanageable. But it's a criticism I had of that car.

[Zach Jobe]

I mean, any race car that has this kind of power beginning in the 60s would have a big wing because they learned before that what happens without one.

[Matt Farah]

It's really. And there's the downforce to go through a corner. That's one element. And then there's the balance of arrow that happens when you shift the weight forward at really big speeds. And you need the wings for both. They help with both. So they said, yes, we'll bring the high downforce car to the track and you can drive it there. Have you looked at the footage yet, Zach? This is a wild fucking ride. I mean, not like anyone should be surprised. This car, I mean, it's 3,500 pounds, but it is. It is 1250 horsepower tri motor hybrid with a 2.88 liter V8 twin turbo that revs to 11. You sit in the middle and it's so fast that on the streets of Willow, you can only go flat, really two places. And for a maximum of about two and a half seconds, maybe three seconds before you have to be hard braking. It's incredibly stable. I mean, really, it's sticky, sticky, sticky. A true pro, someone with more seat time could absolutely go fast. The only way they would let me drive it is A, if I got the track all to myself and B, if I promised not to time the

[Zach Jobe]

lapse, which is a common request by lots of OEMs.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's not uncommon, in part because they don't want a time published that isn't something a little more under their control. If it's going to be a track record or something like that, which with this car, it could be they show up places and seem to set records. So if they're going to put a stopwatch on the car, they're going to want to go for that. And also they don't want journalists stuffing they were like, dude, this car has to go on a national press tour right after this and then to Goodwood. So just please, just please. And how do you not go, yeah, of course, of course. If you're Top Gear or maybe Chris, you can go fucking, I'm gonna do whatever I want with this car.

[Zach Jobe]

But I bet Chris, he could slide the thing and they'll trust but I doubt he would go try to set lap times because of the pressure that amounts for that and it doesn't really translate to camera. So what's the point?

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach Jobe]

Well, and you also have this greenhouse Debris So it heats up even quicker than a regular car.

[Matt Farah]

If you're going to drive around in this car on a hot day, you need the air condition cranking and you need to not be going full throttle. So the compressor is not cutting out all the time. It's an electric compressor, but it still does not blow cold at full throttle. And that's normal for one of these. So you'll see in the video, which is not up yet but. But Zach's working on it. After like two laps, I have to put the windows down and do a cool down lap. Not for the car, for me. And like catch my breath and talk slowly. And then I put the windows back up and go quick again. Like, I can't drive and talk for that. Like the car is fine, but I can't. So I mean, if you just look at the handling, it's like a fucking prototype car. It is on a road tire. It's a, it's a sticky tire, but it's a road tire. So you don't. In the hairpins where the car is heavy and the downforce isn't fully there, you can induce a little understeer, you can induce a little oversteer. In general, it is incredibly balanced. The steering's a little heavy, but with the tri motor setup, you just have this magical front end that always seems to have more. And the car makes so much power. And I just like. And it made me so nervous that I just was like, I'm not turning trash control off. Like I don't need to be a hero and slide it. Especially with the funky yoke, like trying to drift that. It just. I would try to do it on like an airfield. Like where I go. There's somewhere I can do this where it will not go wrong. And like. But this didn't seem like the right time to responsibly try and do that.

[Zach Jobe]

But.

[Matt Farah]

Everything about it is. It's so fast, it's so sharp. And just like driving on the road with that view with the A pillars, the way they are in the center driving position. You have to look at every corner kind of in a new like. Because the A pillars are like literally in a different position than they would be in a normal car. You have to move your head around a little bit differently to see through the corners, which I think is very interesting.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah, that's cool because you know when you approach a corner in a car, there's the reference points on earth, like, here's where I am braking or here's where I'm Aiming, but now you have the reference points in the car. So placing the car using the A pillar like if you're in a right hand drive car, is suddenly different. To get the left side of that car close to the curbing. Now you're in the middle, which I think is easier, but takes getting used to. Especially when you have these amazing curved fenders. It's probably very easy to see where the tires are.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, going to the middle is actually not hard. Like one can drive a center seat car with no experience and not end up being all fucked up and wandery the way you would if you all of a sudden drove a right hand drive car for the first time. It's a lot easier than you think to play. I mean particularly. Cause like you have, you've got a high point, you know, on the fender that like is essentially the outside of the center of the front tire. So totally easy car to place on the track. It's just that it is so fucking fast that keeping up with it is extremely challenging. Even to somebody who drives a lot. It's just like you realize, I don't know, not the human body, but the human body that is physically in decent shape and somewhat comfortable driving at speed, but not trained for this type of pace. The difference between me and fucking Jensen, like, it's a huge gap. Absolutely, it's a big gap. And like that's what it takes to drive this at its peak. And I don't have that. You know what I mean?

[Zach Jobe]

This is Formula one horsepower and it feels like it. And that's what's weird today, is because horsepower is so easy to come by, both in electric cars and gas cars like ZR1X, et cetera. We are buying Formula 1 horsepower at dealerships.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

But as we've talked about before, like no license program, but just the training alone, like to go to deal with the speed with which the corner approaches you. When I jump in a car that's like, I don't know, we drive something, it's like 7, 800 horsepower and the powertrain is like really light. I have to recalibrate compared to something with 400. Because now I'm approaching that corner not 2x as fast, but much, much quicker. And all of a sudden you have to go, oh my. Everything has to sharpen up. I'm braking either earlier or just more authoritatively. Like you have to adjust all that shit real quick.

[Matt Farah]

So you know those training devices where you tap the lights on the wall, like the F1 drivers use. I forget what they're called, but they're reaction time and sort of athleticism tests. So they had one at the Edwards Life Sciences booth at the Indy 500. And I've never tried one before, so I want to try it. And another person also tried it who won't be named, but it rhymes with Trike Berenston.

[Zach Jobe]

Is it someone you were traveling with?

[Matt Farah]

And I've never done one before, so I don't know what, like, good is, but I do it.

[Zach Jobe]

And good is just whatever is better than your friend. That's what good is.

[Matt Farah]

I was better than him. I know he's older than me, but he plays, like, four hours of tennis a day. And I did 55 in 60 seconds, which. The guy was like, that's pretty good. And I was like, okay, well, what is, like. What's like, the most. He's like, the most we've seen today is 64. And that was like, a teenager.

[Zach Jobe]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

He's like. But I'm told that, like, an F1 driver could crack 80. Fuck, yeah. Wow. By the way, straight up disclaimer, I'm just repeating verbatim what a guy in a polo shirt said. Like, I don't. I haven't looked this up. What a fucking. So I don't know. But, like, that's believable.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. Because they've been training at it forever. Yeah. You know, and especially younger F1 drivers that have reaction time, the wiring is similar to that younger person, but they've been training at it and honing those skills forever.

[Matt Farah]

The homie said the teenager that got, like, 64 had a stance that was like, a weird stance, but he's like. He knew how to do it. Like, he had been trained to use a particular.

[Zach Jobe]

Well, they have them at Dave and Buster's. I raised Sarah a couple times there. I did win.

[Matt Farah]

What did you get?

[Zach Jobe]

I don't think they use the.

[Matt Farah]

Not 60 seconds, maybe.

[Zach Jobe]

I don't remember. I remember it was us against each other and I won. That's right.

[Matt Farah]

Next time we go to, like. Like a. One of the. You know, like a Hendrick or one of those, like, training centers. I got to message Graham and see what Graham would. Would do in one of them.

[Zach Jobe]

That would be a good Ray hall or Smith.

[Matt Farah]

I meant Ray Hall.

[Zach Jobe]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

The professional race. Yeah. Smith probably has.

[Zach Jobe]

They might have one, too. And you said Hendrick. That's why my brain went.

[Matt Farah]

I know, I know. I conflated.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I'm conflating our motors for dynasties. Like, I said, this show would be incredibly relatable.

[Zach Jobe]

You should ask Graham Ray Hall. That would be very cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, he probably has. He probably has a number. He probably has one of them things at his house, you know. I asked Graham who had the best RV on the Indy grid and he was like, oh wait, fucking me for sure. He's like, I just got a new one. It's like so sick. Some people rent them and then fly from city to city and just rent the RV while they're there. He actually has one that goes around, but for the month of May they like live in them things.

[Zach Jobe]

Nice.

[Matt Farah]

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Www.joineleteme.com Tire and enter code Tire at checkout one more time. Www.joindeleteme.com Tire code Tire. It revs to 11,000 and you sit in the middle. So it's pretty much as close to as you're gonna get to an F1 car in terms of something that you can drive on the road that feels safe, you know what I mean? If you're my size, driving an open wheel car is sketchy because you are so uncomfortable that you can barely move. And if you can't move, you can't drive. Like that's a fact. If you look like me or in general are bigger than fucking Zach, you're not getting in an open wheel car. You're certainly never gonna buy one. It's not gonna happen. And look, yes, this is so expensive. But like, if you are bigger and want that experience of like, what would that F1? Like, this is where you get it. Because this car, it's actually very funny. This green car has the comfort seat in it. So ironically, the comfort seat is a beautiful Recaro road car seat. So when you sit in it, there's tons of leg room and tons of shoulder room. And it's just a car seat with air kind of on both sides and you've got places to put your shoulders and stuff. But it's super roomy. So if you wanted to go on a thousand mile fucking road, you could do a thousand miles in this car and go, let's go to dinner.

[Zach Jobe]

Like, easy, as long as you sit in the front.

[Matt Farah]

Yes, as long as you sit in the front. Absolutely comfy. But high G loads. I was like, actually not quite enough side bolstering for a fat guy like me. And they were like, yeah, you know, we have like the track bucket. But, you know, given that this is going on a press tour, like, we put the comfort seat in this. Most people aren't going to take this one on the track.

[Zach Jobe]

And most people will buy it and use the comfort seat. So you might as well show them in person what that feels like instead of explaining what it feels like while there's a bucket there.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Recommendation is still the comfort seat. But it's a funny thing that this and a Mustang GT share something. They share a criticism, you know, but this doesn't double the G load. You know, this comfort seat would be. Is like the sport Recaro in the Mustang. It's almost the same seat, I swear to God.

[Zach Jobe]

But the G load is so high in this thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But fucking hell is it? I have to make sure. I mean, goddamn jury duty. You would have driven it. Like, you would have driven it. There'll be another chance, I'm sure. You know, but it's just, I'm so date. I'm so like, you know, I'm not over hypercars per se, because, you know, driving any hypercar is a fun day at work. Look, I'm not that jaded, but like a lot of them are variants on, you know, a few percentage points that this way or this way. And you know, there's nuances, but the same formula. Like this shit is like different. So different.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. Where you sit, how it's built, the way it looks. I mean, that's why I think we were excited about this car when we first filmed it. The audience was excited about it. And then we went to, I remember went to a party and one of our successful friends was like, what do you think? And he had that look on his face like he's kind of considering. I was like, you should absolutely, if you can. I mean, what else have you seen that's like this outside of, I mean, seating positions, like a T50 or McLaren F1. But look at the thing. It's crazy.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. The only thing I thought that was kind of interesting, the, you know, the hybrid system, the motor generator, that's the flywheel, that is in between the engine and the transaxle. What Czinger does so well here is they use that motor generator to smooth out the shifts in a single clutch gearbox that make it feel like a dual clutch gearbox. When you put the car in what they call track plus mode, which is the fucking suspension slammed like hardcore track mode, it smooths it out less. And so at high speeds on track, it no longer really feels like a DCT and it punches a little bit. And all that means is you think twice before changing gear when it's loaded up in a corner. I shifted gear mid corner a couple times exiting the bowl, and I didn't find it to be a problem problem, but I also did have traction control on. And then when I would do a cool down lap and I'd be shifting up at 5, which is low in this car. The red line's 11, so cruising around, you're shifting up at 4,000 or 5,000 RPM. Then it got light throttle up, shifts very smooth off. Throttle downshifts very smooth. But full throttle, full brake, it was bang, bang, which fun. And I'm sure there's a purpose. Maybe that motor generator is just being used for fucking to fully dump power or for a different purpose during that mode. But it was no longer smooth. It kicked like a Lambo Aventador svj.

[Zach Jobe]

Wow. Or like the ssc.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that was like. That had a. Like a fucking, you know, like a machine gun.

[Zach Jobe]

I feel like you were the bullet getting racked into the chamber. That's what it really felt like. The breach. Someone's gonna yell at me. But yeah, you were like, oh, here we go.

[Matt Farah]

No, it's not that. It's a fast, hard kick.

[Zach Jobe]

Got it. You know It's a Whatever again, relatable.

[Matt Farah]

I forget if it's a. Jesus. I forget if I think it's the X track sequential that Pagani also uses. But it just, it just fucking at full throttle. It's power shifting. Like it's barely opening the clutch and it's not, it's not stopping the throttle, you know, and so it's a pretty hard slam. Whereas an upshift, dude, if, you know, in the canyons it's half throttle, like max. You have no idea how fast this will go. When you put the fucking throttle down, it's half throttle. And then it's just like, it's like beautifully smooth. But the harder you go, the less smooth the shifts get.

[Zach Jobe]

That's interesting because the engine is so smooth, partly because of its size, but the way it's mounted. I remember driving, you could rev it and you just don't feel any vibration. There's no twist, there's no nothing. And so that's so smooth. But then all of a sudden, like out of nowhere, you get this transmission kick.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was wild. What a great day. I mean, I got to run, I don't know, 30, 40 laps probably. Wow. And I wish I could have done it with, you know, it doesn't work with audio and talking, but driving it with the windows down on the track is really cool because just the way air flows around it, you don't get buffeting, you get a nice breeze. But like, it stop anything that's head on. So you could drive it with an open face, helmet and sunglasses if you want. It's just like a. It's a very pleasant experience. And even when you're going slowly, it's just so different and actually pleasant. Like, it drives slowly, nicely, it pulls away smooth. It's easy to putter around and park. Like, you know, it's a little clunky with a three point turn. The drive, reverse drive, if you're doing it fast, it's like slightly clunky, but like, like considering the level of performance, it's just a beautifully usable, cool thing.

[Zach Jobe]

So again, unrelatable to people. But when you mentioned the wind, I was curious how much overlap is there in the driving experience between this and the Elva? Because they're both very expensive. Elva is like no windshield. I was trying to think of like, is this close to a motorcycle center seat wind, you know, that's your size.

[Matt Farah]

This is like a comfy prototype race car is what this feels like. This is like you took a fucking LMP car, right?

[Zach Jobe]

Looks like it?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, a Le Mans car. And put nice leather and really nicely designed knobs and stuff and a comfy seat in it. Like that's what it feels like. Somewhere between that and fighter plane.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah, it's very. Fighter plane.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

Especially the way, like, the world bends a little bit with the glass as you go by. It's so cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, all. All of that good shit. And oh, by the way, this photo of Lucas Zinger and Jay Leno standing in the wing. This car. This car makes its weight in downforce at 30 at 150 miles an hour. So at 150, you could drive it upside down.

[Zach Jobe]

That's a lot of downforce. It's not because a lot of downforce numbers we see, it's always at V max. Yeah, this is not v max. 150 and.

[Matt Farah]

Right. I think it's probably. I think it's 150.

[Zach Jobe]

Let me double check that.

[Matt Farah]

But I was told 150. I was also surprised it's geared not that long considering it's got 11,000 RPMs to play with. So it seems like it's geared short until you actually wind each gear to red lock and you realize what you can do.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah, you shift at 9 because your brain's used to. That's the end of the road. Unless you've like, it's them and it's gma. It's going on.

[Matt Farah]

And there's also the way the TAC works is the TAC is just four or five digits digital just going up. It's not a needle that moves across a screen. And then once you get past eight, you have a series of shift lights that do blue, then white, then red. And you shift when it gets to red on the screen. But you're not. Not watching a needle that's getting. That is. You see it go 3/4 of the way around and you still have that much more to go. When you're just watching numbers on the display, you don't necessarily think about 11.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah, that's true.

[Matt Farah]

It's just a higher number than you are. And by the way, by the time you get to 11 in third gear, you have the most hardcore fucking tunnel vision. The forces are amazing when you can effectively deploy 1250 horsepower coming out of the fucking hairpin onto the front straight. And you're looking at that bend up there. And you go third to red line, fourth to red line, which is, I don't know, two and a half seconds. And then immediate break. Like, forget that little lift for that turn. One kink. That is a You better slow down or you might die.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You know, you're going.

[Zach Jobe]

The next turn is a hairpin.

[Matt Farah]

It has great brakes and great downforce, but it. It has so much more acceleration than either of those other things, you know, I don't even want to know the kind of speed you'd see at Coda. Fuck, it'd be crazy.

[Zach Jobe]

It would be so cool and absolutely terrifying to ride in the back while a pro sent it. The bummer is like, you'd see the back of their chair. Most of the time, you'd have to look around them, but I bet the speed would be so terrifying. Yeah, I just wanted to look at the gauges.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, that's the gauge, and it's a digital cluster, so it changes a little bit when you go into track mode or whatever. But that's. So it's gonna load up.

[Zach Jobe]

No, it's linking.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, that's just linked back to their website.

[Zach Jobe]

Linked to their website.

[Matt Farah]

So, yeah, it doesn't really. There's a P in the middle, and that turns into either a D or numbers 1 through blah, blah, blah on the left. Does that say 0rpm, that number?

[Zach Jobe]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

So it's shut off there or it's in electric mode. So that number just goes from 0 to 11,000.

[Zach Jobe]

You can't watch that count. That's like watching the deficit counter. You can't keep up. So you look for those numbers or. Sorry, you look for the light that go whatever. Yellow, red, blue.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So the lights move across the top of that screen where it says the C right there. So, you know, once you're told when the lights will go, you know, they'll go at 8, 9, 10, and then your red line's 11. You go, Jesus Christ. It takes a lot to fucking wind the motor out that high. It really does. You need a lot of space.

[Zach Jobe]

You need a lot of room. Yeah. You need a Runway or.

[Matt Farah]

Streets is crazy car.

[Zach Jobe]

Streets is a wonderful track. I really, really like the layout. But it is perfect for the 200 to, like, 500 horsepower.

[Matt Farah]

Agreed.

[Zach Jobe]

You know, unless you're like a time attack driver. But even then, like, it's just. It's tight and there's escens. This thing.

[Matt Farah]

This is too much car.

[Zach Jobe]

This would make Big Willow. Big Willow shrink.

[Matt Farah]

It would. And look, I don't like Big Willow as it is now. I'm sure I will like it a lot more once the boys fucking fix it. But fact is, scheduling. This was the day a track was available. This was the day the car was. They were like the Car's available on one of these three days and one of them streets happen to be available. So that's where we were.

[Zach Jobe]

I would rather drive it on streets than Big Willow until they've, you know, adjusted everything for sure.

[Matt Farah]

And streets, by the way, is a. Is a much better track for testing. If you want to find out does it understeer, does it oversteer, does it do this, does it have that kind of shit? Streets is a far better place to learn those things because there is such a thing as a 30 mile an hour corner. There's an on camber, there's an off camber, there's this. There's a place where you can most of the time try and do some slides very safely. There's a lot of the things you want to figure, use to figure out is a car good or not.

[Zach Jobe]

Great classroom.

[Matt Farah]

But when you've got 12, 50 fucking horsepower, you know, what is enough room for that.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But what I really like about this thing is that, you know, you don't have to be going a zillion miles an hour to have fun in this car. This car, I mean, I think this car would be fun at low speeds. It's fun to cruise around in. It's because when you're in it, you experience it otherwise. Ordinary places and things you've seen before in a new way. And there's very few cars you could do that. The BAC Mono is another one. But that's like a shitty car. And this is a nice car.

[Zach Jobe]

I think the Morgan, it's a. The Morgan 3 Wheeler has that quality. But this is the Morgan 3 Wheeler plus the T1000. But when it's so unique and the view is so special and the response if you drive this around is going to be insane. Like it will always feel. Yeah, it should always feel pretty cool.

[Matt Farah]

It's American made, by the way.

[Zach Jobe]

Very true.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, it is, it is, I think, the most extreme. I think it's the most interesting hypercar on the market today. And it, and it happens to be from fully made in America, which is pretty cool.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah, I'm just running through the list of other hypercars that are like.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, you've got Koenigsegg, you've got your, your fucking Bugatti. I mean, look, the Tourbillon is obviously going to be sick, but it is not like extreme in a way. This is extreme. I don't think the Tourbillon is going to set a track record or set five track records in five days. No, it'll serve a different client for a different reason and it might set

[Zach Jobe]

a straight line record. Like the same with the Jesko. Yeah. I think as you said before, this is a bigger departure from those cars. Those cars are iterating on a foundation that was laid. I mean essentially Miura, but then go to like 512 or Countach. Countach. It's all building on the mid engine, two seater. Da da da da. This is a rethink and a marriage of open wheel, center seat positioning and physics with obviously the manufacturing that I can't get enough of and then the performance.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. The way this car would go wrong is if it wasn't any fun at low speeds. If you had to be going 150 to enjoy it, which you don't. So like the people that have the money for this, you know, money, talent and desire to go that fast versus money and just desire to have a cool crazy thing that they can drive around to fucking coffee. This is also good at that.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah, it's a showstopper for sure.

[Matt Farah]

So thank you to the Zinger team for bringing that out to the track for me. That was fucking awesome. Genuinely fucking awesome.

[Zach Jobe]

Dude.

[Matt Farah]

It was so cool. And then Zach and I had a day equally relatable, slightly less expensive at a discount of I think 700k maybe. I think this is 1 1/2 1.516 something like that. For the gunseverx F26. It's a take on their turbo. It's fighter plane inspired. Inspired. The irony to be talking about this right after Segue from an actual fighter plane on the road to one that's named after a fighter plane. But it's their take on a slant nose. So it's got a whole new front clip that's like one of those wide bodies. But it's a slant nose that has the sort of open aft of rear wheel. How do you describe that?

[Zach Jobe]

Oh, it has like action behind the wheel, which is very cool. The 911ST had a small version of it. Trying to think of other cars, but yeah, basically people listening. There's like, there's a. The front fender is wider than the door and that delta of like an inch and a half between the two is vented.

[Matt Farah]

So the new GT3RS does it?

[Zach Jobe]

Oh yeah.

[Matt Farah]

As does the Mustang GTD.

[Zach Jobe]

So it probably helps take air like out of the wheel well downforce or something like that, you know, just prevent lift. Also looks pretty damn cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So it being a slant nose, it has little squinty eyes that look almost like A Koenigsegg until Zach said Ionic 6. And I couldn't fucking unsee that. That's unfortunate. And if I'm honest, I think the round headlight turbo does look better. So there's the good shot there. It's a real. Damn it.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. I want to find a picture.

[Matt Farah]

There it is.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah, there we go.

[Matt Farah]

So it's. Look, I do respect the take. You know, no one has really done the slant nose yet. It's very hard to do. A lot of people don't even like regular 911 slant noses.

[Zach Jobe]

I didn't. The only reason I say didn't is when Marco let me drive his around. I spent some time with it. Like I came around on. I think the car looks really cool and it looks fast because it was made for that. It came out of racing in like 1975. Norbert Singer like found a loophole and he's like, oh, we can take the headlights out of the car. And they went way faster. And then the take rate for the public cars was huge. But I still think they look worse than the regular 911. There's just a lack of balance. The greenhouse is still really tall and bubbly. And then the slant is flat.

[Matt Farah]

Ye.

[Zach Jobe]

Marco, I can hear you yelling. That's fine.

[Matt Farah]

No, I don't hate all slant noses, but I like the round headlights better. And get rid of this picture and go to the orange Turbo. Go back up to the top and you've got the round headlight turbo there on the right. I mean, that to me is very pretty. And I think the slant nose is less elegant than this.

[Zach Jobe]

Yes, I agree there are some angles and maybe like the paint on this car was amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

But when I was following you on the highway parallel with you or looking at rear three quarter like this thing looks amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Zach Jobe]

Liquid metal is awesome.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's not. I just prefer the round headlights.

[Zach Jobe]

Totally agree.

[Matt Farah]

The motor. Oh boy. So there's a bunch of things. The main things that are done with this is the motor is the most powerful Gunther motor ever. And then also they've done.

[Zach Jobe]

Which we'd all been clamoring for.

[Matt Farah]

Thank God I was the last one slow. The orange car was a slow shitbox. And they've also done a whole bunch of chassis bracing behind the seats. Where you used to find a back seat, sometimes you'd find a cage. Now there's an enclosed space. Is there a photo that actually shows it? It's like a filled in space. It's got a carbon box Effectively around the entire space. And inside that is a bunch of chassis bracing that makes it 200 stiffer structure, which that's pretty cool because when you have the wide body, you lengthen the control arms. If you have a stiff structure and a low weight and this is a relatively light car, you can run a very soft spring and you can run a very precise damper. And one of the really good things about this car is actually the ride. The ride was really good.

[Zach Jobe]

That's something that I think has been there with Gunther since the beginning. Since we drove the first Speedster. I mean they always run JRZ shocks I think, but they are set up really well. The cars always feel compliant. They eat canyons pretty good. We took it to a pretty bumpy road, I think and this felt a little stiffer than the Speedster was. But this is like a quote track focused car.

[Matt Farah]

And this also has the double wishbone. So they've developed a double wishbone front suspension like the current GT3 for this. I think it helps reduce tram lining because they're running a 295 front tire. That's a crazy amount of tire. I think this car was less darty than previous Gunthers that had the more traditional suspension setup.

[Zach Jobe]

That's true. It didn't really move around.

[Matt Farah]

It didn't move around. I mean it could get bumped around on the very bumpy sections, but I don't think it was that bad. But the steering didn't move around. The steering was heavy, heavier than I would want. But once you set it, it stayed there. And if you were going straight on the highway, you could drive it one handed and it wouldn't dart all over the place. And that is an improvement.

[Zach Jobe]

Whereas cars like the Dark Horse, you talked about that dart around. Like there's cars that are less insane than this but still moved around in the front.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, well, the front engine cars have to use wide front tires. So a dark horse has 305front. So it's literally catching the edges of the ruts in the road and moving around.

[Zach Jobe]

But 295 is huge.

[Matt Farah]

It's almost there.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. The engine. Raw Sport Racing. 1067 horsepower and 750 pounds of torque. Now that's on E85. And we were delivering it with E85 but I filled it it back up with 91. It has flex fuel. So it was probably making only 950 horsepower or something like that. Was it enough?

[Zach Jobe]

It was too much? It was absolutely too much. And part of it was. I mean, first of all the positives, I think this is the most responsive engine I've driven. Definitely the most responsive turbocharged engine I've driven. In terms of, of like max torque. 750 pound feet is at 4500 RPM. No, 5400 RPM. 5400. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Starting at 39, I'm watching the tach and it rips past the peak torque number. And I was like, this is insane. And even just downshifting, like it revs up, it responds so fast. I was really, really impressed and also terrified. But like it just felt like the whole engine was made of titanium and air and everything. Just wanted to spin.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It's a 4 liter twin turbo, twin charge cooled. And it's got a flat fan like a 917 does. And what that. It looks incredible. It's so cool. That fan is gear driven instead of belt driven. So it does make a little bit of noise. It's a little bit of a chatter, sort of like a single mass flywheel style chatter.

[Zach Jobe]

Well, when you do the drive, when we do the drive bys, it is a. There's a battle of weed eaters happening like in the back. It's very mechanical. Buzzsaw. It's not as loud as the orange turbo was. I know they worked to quiet it down, but you hear a ton of that gear drive. It's very cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's so nasty. It was a little damp the morning that we went out there, but it did dry out a bit. And I. When first off in the canyon, in a place with corners, you almost can't fucking go flat anywhere. So there's three drive modes, right? There's comfort mode, there's sport mode and there's track mode. Comfort mode is like 550 horsepower. Sport mode is 750. And then track is the full kill mode. And you should not use track unless you have a straight, straight, dry road.

[Zach Jobe]

Correct.

[Matt Farah]

I did it and I spun the tires all the way through second and third and chirped fourth.

[Zach Jobe]

And it has traction control. It has, well, I mean, what they call motorsport grade traction control and abs. But this road is rough and damp and I mean the power is insane.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And so. And the way it pulls is violent and terrifying. In track mode, I mean, truly, the way it pulls in fourth and fifth gear is like Koenigsegg level acceleration in the high gears. When you go third, fourth, fifth, it does not pull less. When you upshift, it pulls the same. That's fucking crazy. But also, it's like this was one of the loudest cars inside I've ever driven. I was so tired after a morning of driving this, I had to take a fucking nap. Even after wearing noise canceling headphones, I had to take a nap. I was so tired. It beat me up so bad. They have these bucket seats that look like the ones from the Chimera, but they're not. The Chimera ones have deeper sides. These look like track buckets that will hold you in, but actually don't have enough side bolstering to hold you in.

[Zach Jobe]

Not at all. And we were driving canyons. I mean, I was driving kind of timidly. Honestly, I didn't have as much time with it. But I was just like, there's so much happening, there's so much speed. The thing costs so much money. It just, I don't know, it felt like busier than the Orange Turbo, but actually that was a different road. This had tighter corners, but the seats still didn't hold me in place. I was using my arms a lot. I mean, I was kind of surprised with. For this to look like the HR Geiger deep carbon bucket. It's actually a really shallow bolster on the sides and pretty short. It doesn't come that far up your rib cage and doesn't wrap around you very much. It's kind of weird. I was like, it was kind of posturing as a racing bucket.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. Like, it's like those like sports sedans that have artificially stiff suspensions on sport modes. Just so you think that even when actually leaving it in comfort makes it handle better.

[Zach Jobe]

It's.

[Matt Farah]

I think they have figured out this should be it. Like, I'm serious. Like, this car is successful at its mission, which is to build the most egregiously overpowered and extreme air cooled 911 ever. Like, it has like 200 horsepower more than the Singer DLS Turbo. Like, stop. Just stop. We're great. We're good here. Like, we're good because Spike, like, Spike didn't like it at all. He was wearing like air traffic controller head.

[Zach Jobe]

It's really loud inside because. Because something Gunther does is all the door panels are basically bare carbon. That whole back section where the bracing is is just carbon. It is an echo box. You know, you're sitting inside. I know I say it a lot like you're in a mailbox. There's very few soft materials to absorb any sort of sound. And then the car is loud. So you're just getting this echo going around. You the whole time.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And so like, look, if that's what Gunther really wants, we must have the fastest air cooled cars around a track, period, you know. Okay, all right, fine. And apparently they've sold most of these. They're making like 26 and they've sold most of them. All right, fine, what the fuck do I know? But like, my challenge to them is like, okay, you've now followed this formula that started with the red car back in whatever 2018, whenever that was, you know, you've iterated. You've got the coupes, you've got the speedsters, you had the turbos. Now you've got this fucking thing. You did your fucking American chopper Ironman car build. This has to be the end of this. Because I sound obnoxious to say it, but this is actually so extreme. I don't like it anymore. If I had the money, I could understand how I'd go, yeah, fuck, get me that thousand. Oh my God, look at it. Fucking nuts. Thousand. And then once I had it, it, I would drive it twice a year because it would just be exhausting. As opposed to when I drove the Singer Turbo. And you drove the Singer Turbo on the same road as this, by the way. Both of us were like, daily for the next 20 years. Sell everything immediately and use this for everything up to and including towing. What do I have to do to drive this thing every day for the rest of my life? Like, it was a different reaction to the car. So like, my challenge to Peter and Gunther now is like, okay, you've done this. Can you make a comfortable one? Like, can you make a fast, great handling? You know the thing that you do but like make it, make it weigh instead of 2750, make it weigh 3100 and be full of Dynamax that and be like quiet.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. Because they've gotten like, they know the ride, they know how to make the things handle well. Shifter was fantastic. Compliance is good. Like, they've got the engineering and the geometry done and no one is really competing with them in this993 space. So I don't think going, you know, quote, like going down in power. There's obviously a market for that. There's plenty of people that want the comfortable 4 to 600 horsepower thing. And it can look the way they like they want it to look. And they can. They should do the interior bit so it's a little bit quieter. There will probably still be people out there that want them. Because this is all like, you need a pilot's license and you need, like, a fighter jet pilot's license to drive this thing. It was, you know, it was pretty intimidating because it's. Because it's kind of small. The power, you know, compared to the Zinger. Let's say they have about the same horsepower wheelbase on this, probably shorter. It was more difficult to drive. Even though I only drove the Zinger for a short amount of time. Like, just the controls having to shift it. Like, everything about this is a lot more intense. And when you think of the people that raced at Le Mans, Daytona, whatever, In the old 935s that had 1200 horsepower, they were like, the top race car drivers on the planet at the time.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

So to go back to. If you can just buy this thing, like, be prepared to drive a car that is the most difficult yet fastest thing on the planet in 1975.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

That's kind of what you're buying.

[Matt Farah]

And they also wore ear protection. Or I don't know if they did then, but they certainly would now.

[Zach Jobe]

Huh. What? Yeah, So I totally agree with you. If they turn it down but do all the things they know how to do well and, like, let's see what they can do.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Like, if it had a simplified version of this engine, there was 550 horsepower. Nice, good throttle, good response. But not the death kill. Narrower tires, 275s in the front, not 295s. Right. Narrower body, comfort seats, comfort door panels, you know, with nice leather and all that kind of stuff. Some sound insulation in there.

[Zach Jobe]

A good.

[Matt Farah]

Like a light clutch. You know, the clutch on this was

[Zach Jobe]

actually easy to drive.

[Matt Farah]

It was. This car, other than being loud, was very civilized at low speeds. I will give them that. And even in comfort mode, the inputs, the pedals, the tune, the ride of the adaptive jrz, it's as good as it's going to be. There are big differences between the drive modes and between the suspension modes. And they do make a difference, but they don't make it quieter. It's still so fucking loud in there all the time. And my head was just zinging the second half of that day. So. It's for psychos. This is a car for psychos. You know, you just. I hope you have the talent.

[Zach Jobe]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Not that we're special, but we also have. Fucking the fear of death and something resembling restraint. You may not. You may not have that.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. I think buying this car, if you haven't done some competitive racing and driven other really high horsepower stuff is gonna be. It's gonna be kind of scary. And you. And you. I just hope you don't get yourself into trouble because you could so quickly.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, this, I think in terms of. Just. In terms of actual scary. This is probably the scariest car I've ever driven.

[Zach Jobe]

Ooh, this or Hennessey van. Well, that was just on the Runway, so. Oh, no. You drove down the street, too?

[Matt Farah]

I drove it on the street at the time that probably was. But I think this Eclipse is that. I think that was. There wasn't much difference between that and like a hopped up Ford GT in terms of just like how it sort of feels to operate it. Whereas this being, like air cooled. You fuck. The only gauge you can see through the steering wheel is the tach.

[Zach Jobe]

And it changes.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know how fast I was going. Literally, I can't see the needle after. After 40 until it's like 170.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah, it was pretty crazy. Another thing, like, the pedal box is very narrow. I think I took my shoes off. I wore the wide shoes, but, like, even with the shoes off, you know, I was. It was offset and very tight in there. And then the steering wheel, I know it's like inspired by fighter jets or whatever. It's. I drive with my hands at nine and three. I know there are some people like to drive fast at 10 and 2. But this steering wheel has, like, ridges on the back and pads on the front. Basically, if you hold it at 9 and 3, it's uncomfortable. Yeah. It feels like you're in the wrong, I don't know, sitting on half of a chair. And so you have to put your hands at 10 and 2. But it just felt very strange.

[Matt Farah]

And it heavily favors 10 and 2.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. And. And, you know, look, they're competitive. Like, the Singer wheel we've talked about is great because it's just a circle. It just let people figure out, like, put their hands where they want them to be. Totally fine.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. This thing is psychotic. I mean, I'm glad we got to try it. It's always a treat to try something crazy like this. But it's just so much. And it really is an assault of performance and inputs. The steering is heavy. The brake pedal, it's got the ceramic brakes from a Nissan GTR in a car that weighs 1,500 pounds less than a Nissan GTR, which is fucking crazy. Pounds less than a Nissan GTR. But the pedal is very, very heavy.

[Zach Jobe]

Really heavy. Yeah, Kind of strangely heavy. I was pretty surprised by that. It felt kind of like a McLaren, I think, but firmer than that even. And you know, in all of it, £2,700. I think it's wet. Well, they say curved, but in the press release it says dry.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, someone's.

[Zach Jobe]

The press release they sent to us has 2,700 dry.

[Matt Farah]

Dry. I think the website is shenanigans.

[Zach Jobe]

Let's call it 3,000. That's a thousand pounds less than a Veyron. And they make effectively the same power.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

And I bet this is a. That has all wheel drive. This doesn't.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

This is probably a smaller, shorter car.

[Matt Farah]

Like, speaking of which, Gunther has lengthened the wheelbase by 30 millimeters. They move the rear wheels back, which does. Does help. It does make it more stable in the high speeds. It does. And actually the turning radius is very good.

[Zach Jobe]

It's incredible. Shockingly, I did like a U turn on the canyon. I went, how come I still have so much more angle with this huge,

[Matt Farah]

shockingly good turning radius? A nice ride. And I didn't scrape it anywhere either. It has nose lift and I did

[Zach Jobe]

not scrape it anywhere. It's carbon bodywork all over the place. It's a pretty wild thing.

[Matt Farah]

It's fucking cool. But I think they've reached the end of the line for this line of thinking. And they need to try something else.

[Zach Jobe]

They need an acoustic album. That's where we're at. You know, they gotta reset everybody.

[Matt Farah]

Unplugged.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. Do an artsy thing. And then they come back later with 2000 horsepower.

[Matt Farah]

I need you to do an indie flick, guys. Go to an ashram.

[Zach Jobe]

Metallica Christmas album.

[Matt Farah]

So here's what has to happen. Peter. Peter at Guntherwerks and I by I. This is a joke. I don't wish this on him. He needs to, like, need back surgery. You know what I mean? He's in good shape. He's never had to the need for a comfortable car.

[Zach Jobe]

Well, but the car rides pretty comfortably.

[Matt Farah]

It does, yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

So it's just the seats.

[Matt Farah]

We need. We need, we need.

[Zach Jobe]

We need the touring, the seats and the sound.

[Matt Farah]

He basically needs to do like. Like sport classic. Like a nine. Like a 992 sport classic. You know, a little ducktail, clean lines, you know, twin turbo power, rear drive. But dial it fucking down.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That could be cool as shit, couldn't it?

[Zach Jobe]

Sure. For sure. Make the Bad Boys mobile wheel could do that. 600 horsepower. Not a thousand people. Peter, don't do it. Take your hand off the mouse.

[Matt Farah]

Not a thousand, not a thousand.

[Zach Jobe]

Drop it.

[Matt Farah]

Holy shit. Before we get to questions, I had one quick thought. What do you think is the Most expensive EV outside of the Rimac. Nevera. Most expensive EVs ever sold on cars and bids. And bring a truck trailer. Oh, I do. You know, I don't. I don't know. I. I did not. I don't. This isn't true. I don't have an answer.

[Zach Jobe]

Ever sold online auction?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. Because I bet it's either it's going to be a plaid or a cyber truck being flipped when they were brand new. People that had the first allocation and they flip it for double.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach Jobe]

Or like people were buying Hummer EVS for $220,000 when they were really new. So it's going to be something like that. That's my.

[Matt Farah]

But that was a couple years ago. Yeah. Because I have this theory that the public's appetite for EVs ends at 150,000 bucks and I wanted to see if market data supported that. But you're right. The flipped Cybertrucks and the flipped Hummers would definitely.

[Zach Jobe]

It would throw the curve off.

[Matt Farah]

Throw the curve off. I wonder if you can search. Can you search by ev? Is that what you've done?

[Zach Jobe]

I searched ev. I guess that's. I wonder. Here we go. Highest price.

[Matt Farah]

Highest price.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you're right. 260 for Hummers. Wow. The whole top row is Hummers. Go down. Let's see where you're.

[Zach Jobe]

So yeah. Lucid sapphire with 200.

[Matt Farah]

Wow. Okay. Wow.

[Zach Jobe]

A Tesla Roadster.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Development mule Rock. That's a. That's actually a particular. That's a particularly special and collectible car.

[Zach Jobe]

Just Hummers. Hummers. Hummers.

[Matt Farah]

All right. Yeah. So even like.

[Zach Jobe]

Wow. There you go.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. So there's a couple in 2022, there's 170, 2026. That Taycan Turbo GT would have been. Would have had a two in front of it. 250. 260 new and lost. 100 grand.

[Zach Jobe]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

These Hummer EVs in 20, 22, people were flipping the fuck out of these.

[Zach Jobe]

The Taycan 100 GS in a year.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Keep going down Taycan Turbo S. All right, so. Yeah, keep going.

[Zach Jobe]

How many white Hummers can there be? A lot.

[Matt Farah]

Those are all the launch editions or whatever. All right, so there starts to be a lot more variety when you get to. When you get under 150. Look at that. 146. 1. Below 146, you start to see lucids. You got a Tesla X, You've got a Roadster. Now Rivian's come into play at 130. Okay. So you have a couple of models that for a time brought over 150 and then you start to see a lot more variety under 150.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So I will say there is some data to support this theory though. Maybe the line isn't exactly at 150 and it depends on where your snapshot in time is.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. And like we'd have to kind of get rid of the allocation and the buzz and the hype. Like what are people just. How do they value an ev? What do they value?

[Matt Farah]

Results by sales, maybe. Okay, we probably have to have. We probably have to call cars and bids and have them export a report for us where it was like where it's only ones in the last six months and then also highest price from there, but used to be a job for fucking Johnny Depp.

[Zach Jobe]

I think if we called it and asked them to do this, they'd go, that's a great podcast topic. Click, click.

[Matt Farah]

Why don't I come on your podcast and talk about it? Oh, that blue fucking GT3Rs is great. So EVs here.

[Zach Jobe]

We're bring a trailer now. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, so auction results sold. And then let's sort by. Oh wait, hang on. Recent.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Hi. Hi. Bin. How do we sort by Sort by recently closed. And then can we do a. Yeah, last. Last year. I like that. Okay. Okay. Yeah, let's see what we get there.

[Zach Jobe]

Do you want to start by highest bid? Yeah, sort by highest bid.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, so sapphires. Two sapphires for 175 each. But these things. Three sapphires but these things. Those things were 250 new. Yikes. You got a G wagon for 157. And those are the only four bat results in the last year. Over 150 for an EV of any kind.

[Zach Jobe]

So people don't go to bat for EVs. I mean there's a lot more of them.

[Matt Farah]

There's more on cars and bits.

[Zach Jobe]

More on cars and Bits. And actually some of the results we saw were from 2024.

[Matt Farah]

Right, that's true. I think we did not sort by last. By most recent years. So I think today go back up to the top. I think today the general public really does have. Sorry. To the top of our results. I think the general public really does have an appetite site of. Let's call it 160 tops for an EV. New or used for the most part. Right. How many bids did those sapphires get on it? Go to the 2024 that sold for 160. 38 Comments. Go down. How many bids by the way, the sapphire was pretty goddamn cool. I mean I don't know, about 175 when those drop a little more.

[Zach Jobe]

Go.

[Matt Farah]

Keep going down. Down to the bottom. Down to the bottom. Keep going. There we go. 12 bids. 722 watchers in 12 bids. Not that popular, right?

[Zach Jobe]

If I'm honest.

[Matt Farah]

Not that popular.

[Zach Jobe]

No cold start? No cold start.

[Matt Farah]

That's pretty funny. But that would have been 250 new and sold after a year, you know? Know. So I think there's some validity to my theory. If not, if not a hard science. But there is some validity to it.

[Zach Jobe]

I think it makes a lot of sense. And I wonder how many like Taycan Turbo GTs they sold. It's a very extreme car, but also very expensive, right. 260 or something like that.

[Matt Farah]

I know two people who bought them new. Both of them told me they got like 80, 90k on the to take those cars.

[Zach Jobe]

Oh, okay.

[Matt Farah]

So they paid 150 for the car stickered at 240. I mean I think all high end Taycans go out the door with cash on the hood. I think they're having a hard time selling the high end ones. Let's go to the people, shall we?

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Do you have anything extra before the people?

[Zach Jobe]

No, we're at an hour away.

[Matt Farah]

Great. By the way, shout out to under the cuff straps. Our boy under the cuff, Matt, he sent us the cut to fit rubber straps that work on the canyons. Just sent me this one that works on my Grand Seiko Lake Sua.

[Zach Jobe]

That's cool. Rubber with a deployment clasp.

[Matt Farah]

Rubber with a butterfly deployment. And it also has the texture rubber so it looks sort of like sailcloth but it's rubber. So I'm super. The fit of this is really nice. It's super comfy.

[Zach Jobe]

Nice.

[Matt Farah]

And I'm really stoked because I grant said I love this watch.

[Zach Jobe]

It's good blue.

[Matt Farah]

It's the best dial ever. But because it's a 22 millimeter lug and only a 41 millimeter case, that's a very wide lug for a 41. So a lot of straps look really weird and like too big for the small case. This strap has a nice taper, nice slim deployant. And it doesn't look too big and chunky for the case. So shout out to under the cuff.

[Zach Jobe]

I should get some. I'm not even fishing. I'm gonna go buy some rubber straps because I have leather and I have metal. I have like for some attempt couples for the canyons.

[Matt Farah]

If you want? I have a couple twenties, the cur. So the curved end ones, they don't always fit every watch perfect because not every watch has the same curve, but like a lot of watches that will have, you know, a straight lug and then a curve, and it's like, it'll get pretty close.

[Zach Jobe]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

So I have a couple different colors I will give you, and you can see if they fit. Very nice.

[Zach Jobe]

The Weiss today.

[Matt Farah]

I think Cameron Weiss is coming to town next week. If so, we should maybe get him in on a show.

[Zach Jobe]

That'd be cool.

[Matt Farah]

You know, he fucking moved temporarily to Switzerland. Him and his family moved to Switzerland because they couldn't find good help in America to work at their watch factory. They just, like, couldn't find watchmakers. And so they were like, fuck it. We're gonna open up a training center in Switzerland and train people and then have them move to Nashville and work at the manufacturers. So they've been in Switzerland for like a year and they have a guest room at their house. They've invited us, but it seems like they're having a pretty good time over there.

[Zach Jobe]

Very cool.

[Matt Farah]

But he's going to. He's coming back to visit next week. We should fucking get him in here. Christian. Oh, of course, the people. You know the drill. Patreon.com the Smokingtirepodcast. That's where you ask us questions for the show, watch the show live, get extra shows, get access to exclusive merch collabs and things, one of which is arriving here just after this show. We'll reveal it to you next week. It'll be hopefully a Patreon exclusive. I think many of you folks will really, really like this one. And yeah, extra show. What'd I say? Ad Free show. You guys know what it is, the better? An enhanced experience. That's what you get. An enhanced smoking tire experience [e-mail] the smokingtirepodcast. Christian, have you heard anything about the Boxster Cayman replacement? I have not.

[Zach Jobe]

I have not either.

[Matt Farah]

I've heard they've got the EV1 that's like, almost ready to go. And then I've heard they have to somehow make a gas one again.

[Zach Jobe]

I don't envy their position.

[Matt Farah]

Christy Yamaguchi Mane says is a 100k NC Miata. A $5,000 driving experience.

[Zach Jobe]

I think it's worth more than that as a driving experience.

[Matt Farah]

At 100,000 mile NC, it'll feel a $10,000 driving experience. $12,000.

[Zach Jobe]

Someone commented, Try finding one for five grand. Depends on where you are. That is a great car. We drove the turbocharged one. If you, if you need to elevate it, throw a little suspension at it turbo on it. But that is a fantastic smile inducing driving experience. Miles do not matter on that car.

[Matt Farah]

Rippin toots. Any plan to review the Mercedes CLA 354matic EQ? No. That I read that name and I just go SEO death. Yeah, that's a. That's a real don't click on this fucking video kind of car. Silence of the Lambo. Very good. That would be pretty funny if you when you put a revuelto into like EV mode to like putter into your garage. If it then a flashed across the gauge cluster. Silence of the Lambo that would be pretty cool.

[Zach Jobe]

What if you made the EV sound? The sound of lamb screaming just extra

[Matt Farah]

when you fired it up it just goes hello Clarice, you better size 14. Was the Ford Fusion Twin Turbo V6 any good when it came out? When did the Ford Fusion have a Twin Turbo V6? I know the Taurus did and it was not very good. Did the Fusion get that motor?

[Zach Jobe]

The 2017-19 Fusion Sport got a twin turbo V6. It had the 2.7. Ford 2.7. Probably based on the engine that. Oh, it's a V6, not the 4. 325 horsepower, 380 torque. That's pretty strong.

[Matt Farah]

How interesting that I have literally never fucking didn't know that.

[Zach Jobe]

Didn't know that this is the era when they Ford owned Aston or right after. So the front of it looks a lot like Aston Martin's.

[Matt Farah]

Remember that? Yeah, yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

Oh we see what they did.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it looked like a rapid till a rapid pull up.

[Zach Jobe]

But you could sit in the back of the Fusion. That's the difference.

[Matt Farah]

The Fusion port. Oh wait a minute. You know what's funny? I may have driven it. I think it was. It came with a Haldex all wheel drive too. I think it was fast but like heavy. Like it wasn't like sporty.

[Zach Jobe]

This is. But it's a good highway car. Yeah, it's probably a pretty good looking car too.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

Especially if you drop it a little bit like that looks.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

Decent looking sedan, 3 to 25 horsepower.

[Matt Farah]

But I don't. This. I don't think this was the same as like a Cobalt ss that was like trying to be a hot hatch.

[Zach Jobe]

No. You could tune this a bit and make it look like a cop car. Do the cannonball. But that's it and that's about it. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Looks good in red though.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Jeep of Theseus says another Luce question. Given the design is legitimately appalling, how well would it need to do everything else for it to justify a $600,000 asking price? I don't think we just. Based on what we just discussed, I don't think there's anything that it could. Can you just pull up bat again and see what Rolls Royce spectres. Because like the EV that most justifies a high price point to me is a spectre, because it's still a Rolls. It's still got all the dope shit that you would want from a Rolls. Right. So this one was no sale at 451.

[Zach Jobe]

And.

[Matt Farah]

And I guarantee you that motherfucker had a price tag starting with a five or a six.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. It's a launch package.

[Matt Farah]

See if there's a window sticker shot. Let's see how much the. What the actual MSRP was of this no sale.

[Zach Jobe]

Does it say msrp?

[Matt Farah]

Is there a window sticker? Usually in the photo gallery there will be a window sticker the very bottom. Like. Yeah, maybe if you could scroll to the bottom. There we go. Let's see. What do we got? 521. Yeah. So this fucking thing lost, you know, so 60.

[Zach Jobe]

It was a no sale at 70 under sticker. Yeah. How many miles are on it? Was someone just trying to get rid of this? It had 99 miles. That's brand new delivery. Someone was trying to flip it.

[Matt Farah]

So. So that's, you know, if Nobody will pay 450 for a brand new electric Rolls.

[Zach Jobe]

And as we've said, like, this company is associated with having the smoothest driving thing in the world. Right. It should be quiet, powerful, blah, blah, blah. That's why the engines were giant V12s and turbocharged. Now you've got an electric powertrain, does the job arguably better. And people still weren't that into it. So Ferrari, one of its selling points. Its selling points, bad recognition.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

Performance sound look has no sound. Yeah. And the looks are controversial.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah. Oh, and we asked on the last show, do people. Are people from China into this car? I had two people DM me that live in China.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Two people that represent all of China.

[Zach Jobe]

Thank you very much. That's what we got.

[Matt Farah]

Chinese ambassadors have phoned it in.

[Zach Jobe]

Hey, that's right. They're the diplomats from there. One said, we absolutely don't want this. We're not into it. And the second person said, said the biggest flex in China is the guy that drives a Mustang GT V8. And he's like he said, outside my window there are Maseratis. There's all kinds of nice stuff that is sold at dealerships there. But importing a gas guzzling, loud thing like that takes power. That's the move, that's the flex.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

So we'll see. But out of a.

[Matt Farah]

That's like the guy in Monaco that was driving the 89 Cadillac Fleetwood. It's like you own the world, like whatever, whatever you're doing. Hand shelter. I barely knew her. Pretty good. Would Nissan have done better with the Nismo Z by following the GR Corolla playbook? Manual first followed by auto?

[Zach Jobe]

That's a great question. Yeah, I have to. I would wonder if the take rate on M2S is, you know, 90% DCT versus or whatever paddle shifted versus 20% manual, then Nissan did it right. Like the loud voices. We want the manual, but the market actually wants an auto. So I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

I think their justification was very flawed that people would care about lap times. Nobody who cares about lap times is spending a hair under 70k on a Nismo Z. That's not why you buy that car. It's not that fast. You know what I mean? If you have 70k and care about lap times and you must have a Nissan, you're gonna buy a used gtr like that's it, you're not gonna do this. So what does this car do? Well, it does feedback, it does fizz, it does engagement. The steering, the steering of a GTR is fucking vague. Rad racer steering compared to the Nismo Z. Like do you want to engage with machinery? That's what a Nismo Z is for. So I personally, my vibes are like, yeah, it should have been stick. But like, I'm not in the meeting, I don't have the data. So I don't know. I'm glad it's stick now. I mean what they did, they did the thing they said they were gonna do. They said, here's the auto one. If there's enough demand, we'll make a stick one. Bunch of people said they wanted it now. They made it like they called, they said it.

[Zach Jobe]

So if you said that, you go buy it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Zach's stolen Valor tune. Is there any desirable or high end digital watch to complement a collection? I mean G Shock is a huge brand that is incredibly fashionable and they make watches that are like 6, 7, 8, $9,000. Wow. Yeah, there's a line called the MCG line that is. They're metal, they're fucking kind of crazy looking. But yeah, there's serious G shit shock collectors that'll happily pay big money for special G shock. So that's pretty much the gold standard of your digital watches. There's also, like some weird stuff that's like late 70s digital watches. Like some Hamiltons and shit. Bulovas from the late 70s that are like space TV kind of kind of stuff.

[Zach Jobe]

The gold calculator watches are still kind of cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, if you're. Dude, if you want to look cool on a budget, you can always go with a gold Casio calculator watch. And you are right in the game. No problem. Otto Bon Jovi. Do you think charity car shows should have a set ticket price or suggest a donation? Mount at the door and leave it up to attendees? Went to a show last weekend that changed from a suggested donation of 10 to a set ticket price of 25. It occurred two years ago, and the attendance has plummeted each year. I don't think. I hope that's not 25 a person. I think the money for a charity car show should be largely collected from the people showing their cars because they're happy to donate. That's not a problem. And sponsors and potentially relationships with vendors. And I would not charge walk in attendees and instead ask for a suggested donation. That's what I would do, by the way. June 7th, Saturday, Riff Raff charity car show. It's in Agoura Hills, right? Is it Thousand Oaths or Agora Hills? Where's the dividing line? Is it Agora Hills? I think it's Agora Hills. It's at Barrett, which is another Barrett automotive group. Yeah, Barrett's. It's in Westlake Village. It's another car storage place. But he's far enough away that I actually like him. Kevin Barrett's a sweet guy, but me and Johnny and Tommy Kendall are judging the car show. There's a few different classes. There's gonna be food. There's gonna be vendors. It's to benefit Autism Society, L.A. free admission for guests. Guests are free admission. And if you want to enter a car, it's a $2.50 donation. The categories are Radwood, exotic and best daily. And best daily. Should be a sports car with high miles. That's what that means. It doesn't mean your fucking Camry. It literally means if you have a dope daily with high miles, I will

[Zach Jobe]

be out of town. Otherwise, I should enter my car.

[Matt Farah]

Your car would be perfect. Your car is like literally the thing.

[Zach Jobe]

Do they care about headliners? What's the rule there?

[Matt Farah]

It's Judged. I'll actually, I'll look down.

[Zach Jobe]

They might. Yeah, you do you about talk. So they might call that nepotism or something.

[Matt Farah]

So anyway, that's going on Sunday, June 7, 10 to 1 in Westlake Village. The flyer as well as the link to enter a car is up on my Instagram.

[Zach Jobe]

I think to go back to the question, I agree with you. It sounds like whoever's organizing this needs to do a better job of getting vendors or charging people to bring their cars out. I mean, obviously if they want to throw an event for charity, they don't want to do it at a loss. But if you can make up that money in all these other ways and then attract more people, if admission's free, you'll have more attendance and then the vendors will sell more shit and maybe there'll be more donations.

[Matt Farah]

Yep. Johnny Evgerman. I've answered this one before throughout the years, but I'll answer it again. Of all the cars you've ever had and sold, which one do you miss or regret the most? I don't really have any regrets. Usually if I get to the point point where I'm selling a car, it's because I'm kind of over it and not because of I need the money necessarily or I'm out of space, which has happened in the past. But there I'd like to get another Skyline one day. I don't specifically miss the one I had and I wouldn't want to chase that one again. But that's, that's really it. If there was a fucking brand new condition 06 John Cooper works Mini for reasonable money, that would be a good, good, fun, fun thing to have, but I don't.

[Zach Jobe]

It's still such a good car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I don't really think they are. There's other stuff that I like missed out on that like I didn't get back then that I'd like. I'd still like to get a Civic si, like a 2000 Civic Si, but like, you know, I'm probably not gonna integrate. There's nothing that I'm sold. I'm like, I'd love to have that back. Like, it would be cool to get the Fox body back for the right price because now I could afford to put the motor in it that it should have had and whatever. Whereas back then it would have been a pain in the ass. But like, dude, we got projects going on. The fucking Manx is getting the engine out and the upgrade. I'm gonna want to drive that when it comes back. The Mercedes is Getting built. The fucking countach is getting put back together like I'm about to get flooded with my own cars. So like, I don't want, we can't have anything else. Jeep Chem Trailhawk.

[Zach Jobe]

So good.

[Matt Farah]

There's a section of road near me with a 25 mile an hour speed limit that still feels slow even at 35, just driving normally. Are there any roads where you're surprised at how high or low the speed limit is? Yeah, I mean, when you read about how speed limits are calculated, related, it's an interesting science and I think America does a really bad job of matching speed limits to what a safe speed to drive is. A lot of the time other countries do it better. The way America, America thinks about speed limits, not in terms of what is the safe speed to drive. On this road. It's almost never that. When they calculate them, they measure how fast people drive down the road and they choose a number that's the 85th percentile of that. And that's what the speed limit is. Well, that's kind of dumb if you ask me.

[Zach Jobe]

It's subjective. Although it's like crowdsourced. It's like, well, here's what everyone thinks is safe. And so we'll go with that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And most people drive the speed that they feel is safe given the conditions, regardless of what the actual number says on the speed limit. And so that's why I'm a big fan of using natural things that already exist. Natural barriers, lane narrowing, painting lines in different ways, different textures on asphalts. You can indicate to people that it's time to slow down now because there's gonna be pedestrians and shit around in a way that is more effective and safer than changing the number from 55, 35 or in conjunction with that. That will result in more safety as is if you have three lanes each way and there's a fucking school zone and it goes from 55 to 25 and it's just a speed trap because the road still looks like a highway. It's only the sign has changed. And now they can sit there and get you, you know, come on.

[Zach Jobe]

It's like, well, in Texas you've got those frontage roads next to the highway and sometimes those frontage roads are three lanes across and they look like the freeway.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Jobe]

And so you will see people going as fast as you are. They're on the frontage road, which should be. I think it's like a 45 or something. They're doing 80 because they're like this feels and looks like the highway, it's just, you know, 100ft to the right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. The road in front of our shop right here is three lanes each way. And it looks like a highway.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And people drive it at highway speeds. And consequently the light out in front of the shop here, the traffic light has some crazy accidents because there's sort of a curve and people try to run the light at fully like 80 miles an hour. And the side streets that are crossing at that light do not look like a highway. And so the visibility from the side streets is I'm on a residential street, I'm on a side street, whereas the other way is fully. I'm almost on a highway. And so that's a real mismatch there.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But when you have a low speed limit on a road that visually looks like you should be able to go faster, that's a failure of those civil engineers to match the visuals to the law. Yeah. Crabhab says I sold my 2017 GT86 to pay for. Oh God. To pay for dental surgery not covered by insurance. Boo. Any advice for managing with just one sporty car? I mean most people do that. You know. Your sporty car you indicate is a 2023 WRX. I mean that's a pretty versatile car. So advice for that. I mean you can get summer and winter tires depending on where you live. To optimize that car's performance. You can upgrade your brakes. That'll help you all the time. I wouldn't with your powertrain too much because you need this car to be your daily. So.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah, I don't know what the reliability is of those. Like stage two does feel like a whole different car and I recommend it. But also be careful. Yeah. And you still have a warranty, so maybe don't do that. You could do suspension. I guess you could do like a short shift kit. Like things you interact with that might just wake it up a little bit. But I get it. I mean the BRZ GR86 is one of my favorite things to drive. It is so much fun. I don't know, I think I'd rather have. I'd rather have a second gen GR86 than a first gen Boxster.

[Matt Farah]

If you only have one car, you do not want it to be a 25 year old Porsche. No, like you just don't. That's just like. That's bad car mass, you know, it

[Zach Jobe]

might cost more than dental surgery repairing that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you have to sell your teeth to fucking fix the car, dude. Right, Last one and then we are out of here. Lando Norris says, Norace says, I'm cross shopping a late model Prius versus a Civic Si for an urban commute. The heart says Civic because I don't have a fun car, but the brain says Prius. What's the move? I mean, dude, a Prius is not fun.

[Zach Jobe]

No, they look good.

[Matt Farah]

The late model. I assume you don't mean the current Prius. The current Prius is. It happens to look very nice and the steering is pretty nice. But Priuses aren't fun.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

A Civic Si is gonna have a manual gearbox. Should have a manual gearbox.

[Zach Jobe]

Yep. I mean, looks better inside and out, I think.

[Matt Farah]

Is the difference between a. Do you have to drive stick? Is driving stick every day gonna be problematic for.

[Zach Jobe]

For you?

[Matt Farah]

Yes or no? That'll answer it. B. Is the difference between 30 and 45 miles a gallon gonna be a difference for you, yes or no? If it is, like, there's no better daily on earth than a Prius. Like there just isn't. It's a fucking car that's spacious and efficient and reliable. Reliable. You should see the fucked up Priuses I take home from the airport. 800,000 miles dash lit up like crazy.

[Zach Jobe]

We were next to that one in traffic a week ago. It had every light on, guys blasting music. The hood's messed up. It's definitely been crashed several times.

[Matt Farah]

The number of red lights. Yeah, it looked like a tic tac toe board on the desk still operating.

[Zach Jobe]

You know, it was your reaction time board. Yeah. Like those are so durable. Taxis use them for a reason. But this feels like more a money question, you know, if you're just driving in the city, stop and go, will you get more enjoyment from sitting in a Civic that looks a little better but will get probably significantly worse gas mileage in stop in the city for sure. Yeah. Well, that. Is that number going to hurt you too much and hurt your pocketbook or your bank account.

[Matt Farah]

That's. And is driving stick in urban situations

[Zach Jobe]

going to annoy you in that? Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Younger me would say no problem. Today I'm like, well, would I do that? I am so thankful for my Taycan after. After spending a day in the Gunterwerks to drive errands in the Taycan is like fucking, how far have we come? And I'm thinking about, thinking about that car and then thinking about a Taycan Turbo GT and going the quiet one would win in a drag race here.

[Zach Jobe]

Oh yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And I'm not saying that that like, it's just like I like air cooled cars and analog cars and stick shift, like for. To engage with machinery for recreation. But like, electric cars are just so obviously better. Like they're just. It's better like it's quiet, it doesn't get hot. It's like. You know what I mean? Like, there's not smelly shit coming out of the back of it. It's just so obviously better to achieve that same goal. Even if, like we like the worst thing just cause we do it for. For fun.

[Zach Jobe]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Crazy. Crazy. Thank you to our patrons for such good questions. We'll save the remainders for the next cruise show. Thank you to everybody else for listening along. Go check out our YouTube videos. By the time you get this, the Zach and I drive a thousand miles to go for a hike in a 991.2 Turbo S that we are giving away. Giving it away. Guys, get your entries in before August because we are giving away a 992 Turbo S. And then we'll have videos with the Zinger. We'll have videos with the DB12s. We'll have videos with something else.

[Zach Jobe]

I'm forgetting the GT500.

[Matt Farah]

The GT500.

[Zach Jobe]

The Nismo. No, wait.

[Matt Farah]

No, the Nismo. We already did. That's it. See you later. Bye.