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Driven: The new 992.2 Porsche 911 Turbo S
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Matt Farah went to Spain to drive all new Porsche 911 Turbo S. It has new tech, more power, more comfort, and even a surprisingly fun trick. Plus, Lamborghini makes a big reliability bet that has us do "car enthusiast math"; and we answer Patreon questions including: How to answer that question at a car show What to replace my quick Volvo wagon with? Why didn't Lincoln get a Mach-E? When to buy the loaded car and when not to Our camera mount advice Did Chevy only make ONE car in the '50s? Will LED grills ever go away? Can the Volt return? Does my Crown Vic need all the police stuff? Does price change our opinion of used Aston Martins? And more! Recorded October 23, 2025 Show Notes: Hello Fresh Go to https://www.HelloFresh.com/smokingtire10fm now to Get 10 Free Meals + a Free breakfast for Life! One per box with active subscription. Quince Go to https://www.quince.com/tire for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. Liquid I...
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What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Matt Farah here. And today's episode is brought to you as always by off the Record. We love off the Record and you guys do too. Based on the number of emails I get from people who say that they completely got those points off of their record, defeating the government in court and getting those tickets dismissed. I love off the Record. They're always looking out for me. I have full confidence when I drive on the highway that a qualified legal team in nearly any jurisdiction can look out for me if I get pulled over. So I don't plead guilty. I've got off the Record and you can get them, too. Go to offtherecord.com TST that's offtherecord.com Tst and you'll get 10% off all legal services using off the Record one more time offtherecord.com TST make sure you do it. Don't plead guilty. And we are looking out for you. You all right? On this episode, I have literally just landed back from Spain and so we are talking about all things 992.2 Turbo S. Also, people are finally starting to ask for refunds on their Tesla Roadsters and a whole lot more. It's a cruise show. Let's do it. But I really have that. I woke up at 4am Spain time and it's now 11.10pm Spain time. So that's like, like, yeah, I got some sleep. I'm like, a little loopy.
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B
Yeah. If you can make it six more hours and go to bed, like eight.
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A
I can, I'll make. I'll have an espresso and I'll work out and I'll be. I can make it till like 9. I'll be all right. But like, yeah, that's a long ways. That's. It was 32 hours of air travel for 34 hours of ground time, which, like, look, there's people who dig ditches for a living, but that's a long way to go for a pretty fucking short period of time, isn't it?
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B
Yeah, but the pictures you sent me, it seemed like one of the better press launches in terms of what you were allowed to do and how you were allowed to drive and. Well, yeah, few people, they were there, so. So that's pretty good.
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Found myself in quite the situation for the new 992.2 Turbo S. But, yeah, you're right, Zach. One of the cooler experiences because, you know, a Spain is a fabulous country to visit. Marbella is one of the most fabulous parts of it. The weather was great, it's beautiful, you know, food is awesome there. But also it was like the US UK video wave. So it was me, Jack from Savage Geese, Chris Harris, Tom Ford, Sam Fane.
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B
And.
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Oh, and Jason Fenske. Wow. And that was it. That, that was all. So, like. All right. We each had our own car. In my case, I had two cars. I did a coupe and a convertible. No one else gave a shit about the convertible, but I thought it was important to drive the convertible and so I did. So the video is going to be both cars in one. It's not two separate videos. The convertible on the street and then the coupe on the track. And I mean then we got. There was so much. There was. The roads are fabulous there and there was so much track time. You know, we had a scarry and we had the choice. So shit, it was just me and Jack for the afternoon session on the track, just the two of us. So they go, we could split the track in half and you can each just have your own track or you guys can just run the whole track together and like stay out of each other's way. And we're like fucking whole track. Absolutely. It's like a four kilometer circuit. It's a big track and you know, we're driving the new Turbo S which is shocker so fast. Right. And. And honestly if, if we split the track in half and 1, 1/2 of the track is way tighter than the other half. There's like a big fast open half and then a tight technical. Have you ever been there?
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B
Yep.
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A
You did. What did you drive there?
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B
MC20. Oh right, Stradale, whatever. Yeah, the one with the wings on it, right?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Right, right.
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A
It's beautiful.
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B
It is amazing. It is amazing. But I can see that if you divided it up, one of you would get all the tight stuff. Yeah, you get to experience rear wheel steer. That's what to have all the fun.
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Well, on GTS launch was the same hotel and same track and I, we split it up and I had the tight section and there were a lot more people and so if it was share the track with six people, you don't really know or have your own little track to yourself for two hours. That was a no brainer. But like it was Jack, like he knows what he's doing, like this isn't problematic in any way. And so it was like, yeah, whole track and so. And there, there was, you know, I guess there was just an understanding that the people at this event are trustworthy. People and don't need the babysitters. Like, so they brought out, like, some DTM driver whose name I don't know who was offering lead follow if anybody wanted, or, like, ride alongs if anybody wanted. But, like, I'd been there, so. So it was literally. Green means go. Wow, that's cool.
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B
Makes sense.
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Yeah. Open, Open, full circuit for like two hours. I mean, it was pretty, pretty, pretty good. Harris. Fucking Harris. And of course, you know, I didn't. Forgive me the sin of not mentioning that Neil Carrey was there as well, because Neil carries the other half of Chris Harris, the half that makes Harris look good.
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B
Yeah. Films, everything, right?
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Yeah. You want the video version of Harris, not the reality version, given the choices. I'm just kidding. I love him, but, yeah, he was there. He was there as well. And. And so they were doing their thing and fucking. They went through. I think they went through two sets of rears in like, 30 minutes. Wow.
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B
Yeah. Just doing car to car. Yeah.
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A
No, I fucking. As soon as I got to the track, because they. I filmed my road. Road stuff first. And they went straight to the track and they did track stuff first. And then they went out on the road. And by the time I got to the track, I get there, and Neil's just standing there looking sullen. And I was like, what happened? He's like, chris has done a tire in six corners. I was like, okay, so now we have to wait, like, 35 minutes to get a new tire put on the car. Cause he couldn't do, like, the slow bits first.
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B
Wow, that's impressive. Yeah. Six big, fast corners.
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A
Knowing him well, I went out with him. And you know, Chris, he's a very smart guy. He busts his ass. He's obviously a fabulous driver. And, you know, very, very well respected across the industry by most people, I think. And really, like 10 years ago, when we were doing the NBC sports stuff, he was very, very helpful to me. And so I was like, all right, Chris, like, we're here. Like, I was like. I was like, I'm getting a little better at this, the sliding thing. And I was like. I was like, just, let's go. You know, take me one lap and, like, you show me, like, the good spots. And he was like, all right. So let me tell you something. The places that he was doing it is not where the fuck I was doing it. He was fourth gear. 80 to 90 miles an hour entry speed. You know, by the end, I did one. I did one, and it went okay. And I went. I think, trying that is where something really bad would happen.
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B
Sure. Kinetic energy. Yeah.
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And I wasn't ready to keep trying that, but I was doing it in like the two hairpins and he was like on the fucking, you know, the. All right, fine. That's why he's him. But nevertheless, you know, when you. When you have him to show you the slide line and also what to do specifically with this car to transfer weight. That's pretty helpful.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So the car, there's a lot. There's a lot to it. You can tell it's a dot two because the new front bumper, see the shape of that sort of eyebrow above the grilles as well as the vertical grills. That's how you can tell it's a dot too. The lower half of the rear bumper, which I think I have a photo of on the gram, also looks different. It makes the rear of the car look a lot wider if you ask me. It's not exactly an improvement over the old car, but I think it's a little busy, but. And I'll have a shot of it in the video. I didn't have one for Instagram. They had on a stand the old engine and the new engine next to each other. And dude, the engines are like completely different sizes and shapes. I can't really can't believe that these two engines, like, fit in the same car. The new engine is much shorter vertically and wider side to side. And, you know, because it's the T hybrid. Right. So the gts has this 3.6 liter with an electric turbocharger. It's got an E motor in between the two parts of the turbo. And that E motor can spool the turbo up, making boost at idle as low as idle. And it also harvests energy from when the turbo is spinning and not producing acceleration. The difference between the 911 Turbo is it has two of them and some other things, but like, that's the big one. It's got two of these electric turbos. Now the electric turbos it has are a little smaller. Both the turbine and the compressor are a bit smaller, but they spool up faster. They have a higher top speed, the turbo, the physical turbos. And there's fucking two of them. So, you know, it makes 701 horsepower, which is more than the GT2 RS by 1 and 590 pound feet and has the widest power band of any 911 ever. Wow. Yeah, the torque is like, you know, the peak Torque is like 2200 rpm to redline. Sure.
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B
Yeah.
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The fucking Dyno chart is like insane looking and it also is, I believe the first. I don't know if it's first 911 ever, but it's the first one that I can certainly recall. Maybe a commenter knows another one that has a true dual exhaust. It does not have a center muffler collector. So my 718 has a true dual exhaust. So like the left bank and the right bank, those two do not come together. So it sounds really, really different. And in fact this cabriolet in the photos, this is also a little weird. The new Turbo S has these new shaped exhaust pipes, but optionally you can get the old one. So this is actually, this is actually a sport design car on this cabriolet. Those are the sport design wheels, sport design front lip and sport design wing and then oval tips which just make it look like last year's car. Then you think, picture the Hurst shifter. H. You know I'm talking about that. H, picture that outline as an exhaust tip. That's what the standard tips look like. They're kind of weird.
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B
You like them or you don't like them?
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Not really. They look a little busy. Folks. Today's show is sponsored by Liquid iv. And this stuff has come in handy for me. I brought it to Europe this week. It really helps keep me sort of leveled out when I'm on the air traveling, not really sleeping great, drinking a little more alcohol than I normally would. Plus the other day I found a new use for Liquid iv. I got like a really bad cramp and Ali was like, chug a Liquid IV and then straight into like a really hot shower. And that totally got rid of my cramp really fast. This isn't medical advice, just a personal story of how I actually use liquid IV like 2 weeks ago. So it's nice to have that around. It's nice to know it can help boost my hydration and my energy without a crash. I take them all over the world when I travel, throw them in the bag and they are great. They've got the electrolytes, they've got live hydro science which is an optimized ratio of electrolytes, essential vitamins and clinically tested nutrients, turning ordinary water into extraordinary hydration. It provides very balanced energy without the jitters and has three times the electrolytes of the leading sports drink, plus eight essential vitamins and nutrients. Plus Liquid IV is always non gmo, vegan, gluten free, dairy free and soy free. So don't let the grind drain you. Ditch the glitch with zero sugar and zero crash from Liquid IV. Just tear, pour and live more. Go to liquidiv.com that's liquidiv.com and get 20% off your first order with code tire at checkout. That's 20% off your first order with Code tire@liquidiv.com plus we're also sponsored today by HelloFresh. So nice to see him back. I love HelloFresh. My favorite and the number one meal kit in America, making home cookie so easy with chef crafted recipes and fresh ingredients delivered straight to your door. But this fall they're serving up even more to love because this isn't the hello Fresh you remember. It's bigger with a menu double the size now with 100 options each week including seasonal dishes and recipes from around the world. Dig into bigger portions that'll keep everyone safe satisfied. It's healthier. There's over 15 high protein recipes each week with options like grass fed rib eyes or lamb chops. HelloFresh now helps you eat greener with new veggie packed recipes with two or more veggies per dish and it's tastier. Get steak and seafood recipes delivered every week for no extra cost. Now with three times the seafood options. Savor the season with hearty fall recipes like Classic Beef Chili or Honey Glazed Pork Tenderloin. Discover new seasonal produce each week from leeks to broccolini to Italian eg. I love HelloFresh because not only do I get that delicious fresh meal that I can cook in 40 minutes or less at home with the exact correct portioned ingredients, but also I can keep those recipe cards and multiply them to make again for big parties and stuff later. The best way to cook just got better. And you can do it too. Go to hellofresh.com smokingtire10fm now to get 10 free meals plus free breakfast for life. One per box with active subscription free meals applied as discount on first box. New subscribers only. Varies by plan. That's hellofresh.com Smoking Tire 10 FM to get 10 free meals and free breakfast for life. And now back to the show. So, so that's like the main thing, right? There's also of course the same gearbox as the gts, which means there's the PDK E motor in there that is also the starter motor and reverse. And because there are now two electric turbos, it can generate more power. So the PDK gearbox outputs more power. Even though it's the same shit, same hardware, it's just got more juice flowing to it. So it outputs more power.
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B
You Mean, oh, there's more electricity.
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There's more electricity going to the pdk. Going to the pvk. Yeah. They took them two explanations with me as well. I was like, wait, so it's the same E motor, but it makes more power? They're like, yes, because there's two electric turbos now. And I was like, well, what does that have to do with it? It's like they're outputting more power. Like, oh, okay. Yeah. And they can do that without needing a bigger battery. Uses exactly the same Battery as the GP as the GTS. Small 1.9, 1.9 kilowatt hour battery is the size of a normal car battery. Like, and, and also, if you recall, and I actually have forgotten this until I got back, there just wasn't something I thought about in a while. No accessory belt drive. It's on the 400 volt system. So the AC all, all, everything runs off of that. The high voltage hybrid system. So there's no belts, which eliminates weight or in all kinds of other things. And that sort of is why the engine got so much shorter. Because the accessories that run on the belt, you know the block is like flat.
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B
Right.
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But the accessories that have to run off the crankshaft need to be like stacked up like to fit in that. Yeah. Now you can just put that shit anywhere. So, and then it has, it has this new pdcc, which this is going to be just a mess of letters. E, H, PDCC, electro, hybrid, P, whatever. Basically the 400 volt system can adjust the anti roll bars and the shocks like super, super, super fast. So the result is to me like this, this gray car that I drove had the best like body control of any 911 I've ever driven over bumpy.
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B
Weird roads just because there's more voltage, so much more power. So then you can control everything more precisely.
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A
Oh, wow.
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B
Okay.
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And it has these new super. They are anti roll bars, but it can like couple them, uncouple them like partially couple, like, it can adjust them like really, really fast. It's, it's, it, it's not. The hardware is different from what McLaren does in the 7 Series cars, but the way it makes the car feel is basically the same.
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B
Okay.
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It goes over bumpy shit like a McLaren, which is good.
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B
And in the corners of. Does it stay super duper flat where you don't really feel anything in terms of momentum and then that might be just a byproduct of that kind of system?
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No, I don't think so. Like the hydraulic shit in The Panameras and the Taycans, like, I asked them, I said, could this engine run the hydraulic suspension? He said, yes, but we would never put that in a 911 because there's not enough feel. And I said, did you ever build a 911, like, with a prototype? He's like, well, you'd also have to change a bunch of things because, like, the way the shocks are mounted and, like, there's a whole bunch of different stuff. But he said, I drove the Panamera and I drove the Taycan. And, like, as a luxury car, suspension, like, that's real. That's amazing. But we just would never put it in 911 because you need feel. And so I think it. I think it does a good job, actually. It splits the difference between feel and performance. I mean, on the track, like, on the road, like, I knew what was going on. It just, like, didn't beat the shit out of me. For a car that is both heavy and powerful now, it doesn't have a ton of downforce, so it doesn't need to balance that element of it out.
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B
But so many cars we've driven that have crazy high performance and are heavy are very, very stiff because that's how they control the body. And then you end up with a bad ride. M5.
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These cars are not stiff. Not stiff at all. At least they don't ride. They don't ride stiff. The structures are quite rigid. The 911 convertible is fucking. That's a rigid car. You know, having said that, this turbo s is the very first 911 to have a curb weight that starts with a 4.
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B
Wow.
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A
Yeah. This one's, like 4011 pounds. And the coupe is 38, 29.
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B
What was the 992.1 weight?
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I don't know. I don't remember. But it wasn't a four. Yeah, this one's. It's a bit heavy.
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B
3829, the last one.
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A
That's the weight of the new coupe.
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B
Oh, that's the way the new coupe.
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A
The new coupe.
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B
Okay.
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But, you know, on the flip side of that, it is the most aerodynamically efficient turbo s ever. With those grills in the front that open and the active air. There's, like, four different active aero elements on the car. The other thing I learned in the tech presentation is, boy, is this thing gonna be a to service in, like, 10 years?
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B
Sure.
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Oh, God, it's gonna be crazy. I, I, I would. I really want to sit down with, like, betim or one of these guys and Be like, listen, how are you going to maintain this car and service it? Like you know, what is that going to look like? And get training on it or what?
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B
I think the answer is yes. There's a guy I follow Instagram is a DM buddy, but he was a tech, a very high level tech at an Audi dealership. He since left to work in an indie shop. But the his very funny post complaining about the training that has to happen every couple months because the tech that keeps just getting jammed into Lamborghinis and Audis is like, it's just so advanced and it's computer this and it's sensor that and taking apart 15 different things to get the one thing. So now you've got these probably more complicated, you know, electromechanical sway bars. And if you want to change out sway bars, why would you. But if you want to like how do you do that? Or what do you need to remove to get to a simple part? It'll be tough.
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Speaking of Lamborghini, just a little side note, you see today they are, they're offering a 10 year unlimited mile warranty. Yeah, listen folks, a Lamborghini is a very expensive car, but when a company does this, you can get an enormous amount of value out of it. If you buy a Lamborghini brand new and literally drive the shit out of it for 10 years, that's an incredibly good value. I'm not even kidding because those cars have a floor. If you, if you buy a new a Temerario, if you get a Temporario right now, okay, it's fucking expensive. It's crazy expensive. It's like 500 grand. All right, let's say it's 500 grand. It'll be on 50 grand either side of that. You got one for you drive it for 10 years. Okay, it's a 2026, it's 2036. So let's look at a 2016 Huracan. Right now. Even a very high mileage, 2016 Huracan is probably, would probably sell for over 50% of its MSRP. Even if it a hundred thousand miles on it, it would probably pretty, probably be at about 50% of its MSRP. So like if you spent 500 and did 100,000 miles and lost 50% fully under warranty, those are pretty good value miles. You're driving a Lamborghini that entire time, it's still gonna look pretty new. Their cycle, their life cycle product cycle is 10 years. They'll probably still be selling ones that look like this.
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B
Well, it's like you'd be spending about 25 grand a year. Right. So I think if, if someone's leasing a two year lease of, you know, I don't know, $80,000 car.
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A
Yeah.
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B
What's your payment per month?
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A
Dude, if you're leasing like a hundred thousand dollar car, it's like two grand a month. Right. So like you're very close. You're. And that's. And $100,000 car, you're talking, we're talking about a $500,000 car.
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B
Yeah.
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So like, yes, it's a ton of money, but when a manufacturer like Lamborghini does 10 year unlimited mile warranties, if you are, if you ever were like, what would it be like to really fucking daily a Lambo, There is a pretty good financial argument that there is no better time to do it than taking better. I think I'm doing a commercial. No better time to do it. But like, no, seriously, Ferrari did this a few years ago with the 458.
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B
They did seven years, seven year warranty.
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A
Yeah, dude, people made out great. Great.
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B
Well, you also get to enjoy driving the car hard as much as you want. I mean, that's when I heard about the Ferrari thing. That was the most attractive to me because everybody knows that servicing these cars out of warranty is almost prohibitively expensive. Even to many of the people who could afford the payment, like the monthly payment. But if you can get one and then you don't do the stupid thing everyone does where they bubble the car and they're afraid to drive it. Just put miles on it and enjoy that.
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A
Because the mile, what you will learn is that the miles were cheap. Ultimately, what you get for that car at the other end, with or without extra 25, 30,000 miles, that is a cheap bit of miles.
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B
Well, the math question we might have hopped over is what is a 10 year old Lambo Worth that also has 100,000 miles on it? You think it's still worth 50% of MSRP? What do you think? That's a number usually, you know, for, for lower mileage cars in.
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B
They put in some of their quoted time usually like gross weight where they loaded with people in bags and it's.
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Like a worst case scenario time. They want anyone to be able to hit that time. Yeah. So I imagine this is a 9 second car. It has. They've you know, because there's. It's funny because Porsches are so like serious, they never. Like, there's not a lot of whimsy in Porsches outside of like the colors. Like, that's pretty much it. Like the engineering of Porsche. Very serious. And so whereas like Ford, you know, puts like silly shit in like the fox body gauges or whatever. When I try to tell Porsche that they should do a downloadable car pack for their electric car, they look at me like, why would anybody want their car to feel like a 50 year old car? And I'm like, oh, guys. But the head engineer for this, they put in a burnout mode.
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B
Crazy.
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A
They can't call it that because Porsche's too serious. So they call it a tire warmup mode, which is hysterical.
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B
Leaving the pits. That's what it's. Yeah.
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And there's. And so to do it, you go sport plus full off and left foot brake. But before you do, right foot gas. Like a launch control. You hold both paddles, then you floor it. The revs come up. You then take your foot off the brake while still holding the paddles. And when you dump the paddles, it goes.
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B
So you're off brake, you're just revving. You're basically doing a clutch drop. You're doing a clutch and then it just.
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A
Yeah, rear wheel drive only clutch drop.
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B
Very, very cool.
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And without riding the brake at all, I made a 100 meter set of elevens without touching the brakes.
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B
We can't show that right now.
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A
I can't show it.
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B
Okay.
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A
I can't show it.
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B
I could airdrop it.
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A
Yeah, yeah, I can't show it now, but it's in the video.
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B
I saw it. It's part of the video. It was very legit.
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A
I hadn't done burnouts in a while. They're pretty fun.
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B
They're very fun.
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And it, it shifted twice while doing the burnout. It was in third by the time I was done. Yeah, that's really fun. And it took me a couple tries to get. It's a pretty complicated thing to do. It took me a couple of tries to get that.
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B
Would it let you do that if you were like, if you had any angle in the wheel, like, if you're on it on a tight current, like could you do a 180, you know, turn in a burnout or does it have a setting where only if you're pointing straight.
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A
No, if you have. It's not a drift mode. If you apparent. If you have more than a. Whatever, a couple degrees of steering angle, it re. Engages the front drive to straighten it out.
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B
Oh, right. Because otherwise you could crash.
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A
Actually, the, the, you know, it's a mechanical front drive in this. They're not doing electric motors at the front yet. Maybe the next generation car will do that. But this, this one is mechanical. But they said in a dynamic driving situation, only about 5% of the power is going to the front. And he said in, you know, in like wet mode or whatever, more power goes to the front. You know, it can be, I think they said it was up. It could be up to 50% of the torque. But basically you want this car to feel mostly like a rear wheel drive car, which it really does. It doesn't have the GT3 steering, obviously, and the fucking Adas comes on every time you start it, which in US cars it will not. It'll just stay in the last setting. But driving these European cars sucks when you're filming.
- [31:23]
B
Well, Is it still two buttons away though?
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A
It's in the screen. No, the GT3 has a button for it and this one is two touchscreen taps. And it sucks.
- [31:32]
B
Yeah, that's the legal minimum in the eu, right?
- [31:36]
A
Yeah, Not Porsche's fault, but it sucks. And so look, it's very fast on the road, but on these, look, I mean even this photo, that's like you can tell how huge this car is on this two lane road. And that's a pretty open straightaway that we're on.
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B
Yeah, for people listening, not watching. Matt is parked, you know, diagon across a two lane road and he's taking up almost all of it. And you can just see how wide the front of this car is. Like, if, if you're in the lane, there's probably not much room on either side.
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A
It's a really wide car and, and.
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B
And how much wider than 992.
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A
It's not that it's any wider than that, it's just the turbo. It's just still a huge car. I mean, I drove the GTS on the same roads. It was a huge car. Like, it's not. This isn't unique to the Turbo S. It's just like, like 992s are big on the track, it makes no difference. On the highway, it doesn't really make a difference. But on these windy European back roads, like, oh yeah, like, dude, on some of these, like cliffside shits, like if there's a truck coming the other way, you're like, I have to drop a wheel in the dirt here. It's, you know, if I was In a Cayman, I probably could have gone quicker on the road sections than a 700 horsepower supercar.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know.
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B
Yeah.
- [32:52]
A
I literally could not drive the road sections any quicker in this than I could in the gts.
- [32:57]
B
I was gonna ask. So let's talk about that kind of comparison and you know, is, are there people that could stretch their budget a little bit from GTS to reach turbo or turbo S?
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A
This is, these are like, the turbo s is like 60 grand more than a GTS now it's 170 more horsepower. The number of places where that difference is significant is very small.
- [33:23]
B
Sure.
- [33:24]
A
It's, I mean really most of the time it's not a faster car. I mean it does have like a little more grunt on the bottom because it's got the two turbos, but like not that much.
- [33:37]
B
Is there any difference in steering feel, brake feel, anything tactile besides just, you know, outright thrust?
- [33:44]
A
I mean, I will say the suspension on the turbo is more advanced and refined and the body control is better on the turbo. If you were driving on bumpy roads, the turbo is better. If you are driving like long distance highway, the turbos better. But if you're just like Saturday afternoon kind of local canyons and, or you're spending real money, like you need to really save to get the, like, I would say get the gts. They're, they're mostly the same. I mean, and I'm not, I don't mean this to be an insult to the turbo. I think most people understand that the difference between 530 and 701 horsepower does not happen below 80 miles.
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B
Right?
- [34:38]
A
Yeah.
- [34:38]
B
You will not notice.
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A
It happens. Fuck. At the higher, higher end of that.
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B
You know what clarified that for me recently? It was pretty funny is I was in my car coming home, freeway opened up and I just like dropped the gears. I was like rolling slowly in traffic and got off. But I was, as I was accelerating, is my car broken? And I looked down, I was like, oh no, I'm going 85. And it just doesn't pull that much above 85. But because our press cars were in all have power numbers starting with like a 4 or 5. You know, we kind of get spoiled by this, especially with turbo stuff.
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A
This, I mean this car is just, it's so fast and so sure footed that you don't even really feel the speed. The numbers on the dash are just going up so fast, you know, like it's even on the track. Like, like on the track. This car will make someone who's average into a Superhero. That's what this thing does. It will mask minor mistakes. It will recover some things for you if you leave the systems on. It's incredibly forgiving. And you can, if you want, click back over to the yellow one, which was the coupe I drove on the track.
- [35:43]
B
I was just curious real quick. So, 991.1 GTS had 430 horsepower, and the Turbo S at the time had 560, 130 horsepower. Delta. So we've actually grown that difference.
- [35:54]
A
The Delta's even bigger now. Yeah. So on the track, no surprise, incredible competence. Right. Like, if you want to run a clean, like, you have to try to slide it. It won't just step out ever. Sure. And unlike the gts, which I drove the rear wheel drive one on the track, the gts, you could actually add power early and power out on an exit in a turbo. You cannot do that in a turbo. You have to, as Chris says, back it in, which means fucking stand on the brakes and trail brake, and then the back end will just come out on its own, and it's a matter of not fucking it up from there.
- [36:38]
B
And then booting it. So you get the wheel spinning fast.
- [36:39]
A
Enough, and actually, if you give about 25% throttle at that point, it will hold a very nice slide and the front drive will pull just enough. Enough to straighten you out. It's quite good. But it won't do like that unless you, a, turn everything all the way off and b, decide that you want to do it right. It will not do that because otherwise.
- [37:02]
B
I'm sure by design, you know, these cars from back in the day had the history or the. The myth rather of like, you get on the gas too early, it steps out. Someone, A dentist dies. Yeah. And so this, as it steps out, they're. All the computers are saying, no, no, use the front. Front, Give it a little torque and pull that front around. So it's just keeping you going.
- [37:20]
A
So it's. You know, Ascari is a very smooth track. The curbings aren't very hard. There's not a lot of, like, big impacts, but there's a lot of elevation change and like these sort of like, whoop dee doos, you know, especially in the back section. And when you. When you can get kind of yump it over those, which is really, really fun. But every bump in this car is one down, one up. It's just. There's no extra movements. There's no extra. Oh, that was stiff or. That was harsh. It's just like it's it, it, it, you know that a bump just happened. But just one, you know, there's. It's, it's really, really cool like that.
- [38:03]
B
How does the ride and control in this compared to Bentley Continental speed?
- [38:09]
A
That's more artificial and like digital. That's more, that's more like a traditional like muscle car dynamics. Front engine, rear drive. But it's like pretty soft too. Even in a Sport Plus, a Bentley GT is like pretty soft. You'd probably fucking smoke out a Bentley GT after about six laps of Ascari. It would probably not be happy if you were driving it like a shit bag for about six laps.
- [38:40]
B
This would be fine.
- [38:40]
A
You could do 50 in one of these for sure. I mean there's assume if it, if you weren't sliding and could keep the tires. Yeah, keep the tires on it. Yeah.
- [38:48]
B
What mode were you in? Were you Sport plus stiff on Ascari or were you running suspension?
- [38:53]
A
No, my, my favorite mode was Sport plus with the shocks back in sport and then PSM off and then, then it was like just fabulous. But you can go full Sport plus on track and it's not abusive at all. Yeah, fine. A lot of wind buffeting with the windows down though. That stinks in the coops.
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B
Like above, above 70.
- [39:18]
A
It's like 70.
- [39:19]
B
Oh, above 70 is.
- [39:21]
A
Oh yeah. Wind buffeting.
- [39:22]
B
Okay. Yeah.
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A
Not my favorite.
- [39:24]
B
I know. Like, I feel like most people driving at 80 mph probably have windows up.
- [39:28]
A
I don't know. One of my favorite pastimes.
- [39:30]
B
I know, I know. We are divided on this. This and sunroofs.
- [39:34]
A
Let's see, what else do I need to tell you about it? I don't know if anyone's watching, watching the live stream right now and has questions about it now. We can get to those. But obviously it's insanely fast. It's really expensive. There's, you know, a million colors and. But it's not, it's definitely not for everybody because I just, I just think when it comes to 9 11s, like they really do make one for everybody. And like, even though the top this, like there's there are as a select situations where this is really worth that extra spend over GTS or an S. I mean, I drove a thousand miles in an S tail the Dragon. Like, I could not tell you. I don't think, I don't. I couldn't tell you with a straight face that had I done that drive in a Turbo, I would have had a better time. I mean, genuinely, I think, I think I had. I think I had exactly the same time I would have had in either car.
- [40:40]
B
I feel like this. I mean, there's so many things like this. Anything mechanical that costs money, but it's like expensive shotguns or something. Yeah. I will see people post on Reddit. They're like, how come people buy these shotguns? And I go, because they don't want to own the same shotgun as you. And it's because they can. And so for this, you know, some people may drive it hard enough to really enjoy that difference between this and a gts, but most people, they want to have the different badge. They like having the look, the name, whatever, and they just want to have the best one.
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A
They want the top of the line. And I get it. And the good news is, like, the envelope of talent is just wider than ever before. You know, it's got instant torque off the line because of the E motor. So when you're puttering around in traffic, the thing is like shifting at 2000rpm and like not bogging and start, stop is like so smooth that you just are like, I'll leave it on now. I'm not going to kill it every time I drive the car because again, there's no starter motor. It's just that E motor just the engine goes from off to on. And this is where Porsche always debuts that new technology. This is where they take the new technology. It's surprising that it went into the GTS first and not the Turbo S. You know, I would have thought Porsche would have released this car and then done one with one turbo after that.
- [42:03]
B
Good point.
- [42:04]
A
But maybe they wanted to see how people felt about the term hybrid.
- [42:09]
B
That's what I was thinking just now, but maybe I feel like their product cycles are planned so far ahead. You know, people hated it. Did you pivot?
- [42:15]
A
They joked during the presentation their customers do not like the word hybrid. Oh, on 911.
- [42:20]
B
What do they call it now? Electric turbos?
- [42:22]
A
Fucking T Hybrid still. But the customers just don't like that.
- [42:26]
B
I think it's cool. Electric turbo is rad. It's just a rad technology that exists. Someone in the chat asked, are there any non performance special goodies that are exclusive to the Turbo s?
- [42:37]
A
Non performance. That's interesting.
- [42:40]
B
The.
- [42:40]
A
The seats have a special insert in the leather that's like a throwback to like the 80s a little bit. That's. That's different. The carbon dash trim is unique to the turbo. Turbo S, it's a dry carbon. I mean, there's certainly a couple different, like, wheel options. That, that are unique to Turbo s.
- [43:06]
B
What size are these wheels?
- [43:07]
A
2120 ones. Yeah. P0R tires. I don't know what else. I can't think of anything else that is unique to Turbo S. There's a bunch of stand. I mean Turbo S comes standard with a lot. It's one of the, it's sort of the hallmark of the Turbo S as an idea. It's supposed to be. It comes with like standard 18 ways standard extent full extended leather standard Burmeister standard PDLs stand like a lot of stuff that's optional. Optional in other cars is standard on this car.
- [43:46]
B
So does it come standard with radar cruise control?
- [43:52]
A
I don't know. I would certainly fucking hope so. But I don't know. My car had it. All the cars that were there had it. That's a good question. Just curious but I don't know. Yeah, that would be annoying. If you're gonna go out, that's. That's a must. It drives me insane that 911s don't come stated.
- [44:11]
B
But not just them. Like we've encountered. You drove that Urus. I mean we've encountered a number of cars over the years that cost as much as a house and don't come with one of the most convenient inventions of the last 30 years.
- [44:22]
A
The Urus was the by far the most egregious example. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there is going to be a video. It's going to be rather professional like with writing and stuff by my, by my standard. Rather professional.
- [44:36]
B
I got, I gotta edit that on my flight probably because it's got to go up Tuesday.
- [44:42]
A
It doesn't have to go up Tuesday. I'm not, I mean I, I, it would be nice.
- [44:48]
B
Oh yeah. It'd be a long flight. But I, I'll have time if you can give me all the assets before the flight.
- [44:53]
A
Oh I can. I can give you 90 of the assets today. I just. Yeah. I guess that there is a script does help.
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B
Very much so.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Okay. That's, that's that. Thank you to Portia for having me out there and everyone else for making it fun. Oh little show and tell. Speaking of Portia, sorry for the radio people but I'll try to describe this as best I can. We talked about recently cup holders and my Royal Majesty's Cup. Well, there is someone out there who makes. And what's the name of this guy? I got a. I think it's like Kaizen. Sorry.
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B
Camera's okay.
- [45:37]
A
It's.
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B
Every time I see stuff like this I want to buy a 3D printer.
- [45:46]
A
Yeah, right, right. Kaizen Engineering. And this is a replacement for my little change tray behind my shifter. And it's a fucking cup holder like the 992.
- [46:01]
B
Whoa.
- [46:01]
A
3D printed.
- [46:02]
B
So does it like notch into there?
- [46:05]
A
I have the. My. An installation guide right here. But so someone 3D printed that. So now I can put my Porsche fitted cup without it flopping around on my dash. How nice is that?
- [46:18]
B
That's very, very cool.
- [46:19]
A
That cool.
- [46:20]
B
Yeah. So that's like really gotta go test fit this afterwards.
- [46:23]
A
Yeah. The car's downstairs, so we're gonna have to.
- [46:25]
B
I. This is honestly one of the coolest things. Not this, but like the use of 3D printers where, you know, to make this before would have been so hard. No one's gonna do that. But now people can just like scan the cup holder of the change tray. Yeah. And go. Hmm, how can I notch this thing in there? And then there it is.
- [46:41]
A
So this. Yeah. And so it'll fit the bottle or my.
- [46:45]
B
You gotta try your pink cup.
- [46:46]
A
My pink. Yeah, it's meant to fit my pink cup. So I might want to get a little like find a piece of rubber or something to cut out for the bottom.
- [46:56]
B
Yeah.
- [46:57]
A
Maybe there's like a spray in coating or something. That could be risky.
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B
Flex, light, flex, whatever.
- [47:02]
A
Yeah. So that's show and tell number one. And then the. And then the notice guys just sent me this. This is Larry Casilla's watch. This is the ammo. It's called the Sentinel. And it's in the canyon family. It's on the canyon platform. Same case. But how cool is this? Look, this has a. Has a rubberized bezel and a rubberized strap. And the idea is it. It is designed to not scratch a car. If you're working around a car.
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B
Oh, that's cool.
- [47:35]
A
So, yeah, it'll. It'll supposedly. I mean, part of what it does is tell good time. And the other part of what it does is keep you from scratching up a car if you're working.
- [47:45]
B
I like it. Is this. Is it rose gold? Almost. Not quite.
- [47:49]
A
Not this the case.
- [47:50]
B
Sorry, not the case. But like the hands and stuff. Oh, the hands just gold. They're not just gold. There's like a hint of something, but it looks nice.
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A
Yeah.
- [47:56]
B
Cool.
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A
So you can get that at notices, website support. Larry. It's. It's a steel case. Same LJP movement that I use in the other canyons. It is a destro. By the way, it's a lefty watch because the Crown.
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B
I was gonna ask.
- [48:14]
A
Yeah, it's so the crown doesn't scratch car as well. It's going. Going at your hand. I actually don't. Even though I'm a lefty, I don't have any lefty watches. Isn't that funny? And it's a very pretty dial. It's Larry's like a real black it out kind of guy. So it's a black and rose gold like his 964.
- [48:32]
B
Right. Limited to 100 worldwide.
- [48:34]
A
100 units. So fucking go buy one. They're really cool. If you have all the other canyons, especially this is. This is in. In the fan. And I'm gonna wear this one for a while. We'll see how that goes.
- [48:46]
B
Nice and thin.
- [48:47]
A
It is very thin. Yeah. So that's. That's show and tell. We can talk about the refunds for people. Tesla Roadster deposit holders are finally starting to ask for refunds like eight years later, which I thought was a hilarious. Like the fucking Stockholm syndrome of that. It was. Marcus Brownlee did a whole video about what it. I don't know if it was a video or just social media posts about what it took him to get his deposit back. And it was a real bitch. Yeah. So now we've got a bunch more people that want it back. And it just made me think, not just that they took money for a car and never built it, which is crazy. And not just that people waited eight years to try to get their money back, which is real crazy. Remember all the other things they said this car was gonna do?
- [49:46]
B
Well, yeah. 1.9 seconds, 0 to 60, 250 mile per hour, top speed. The bit was the rocket thing.
- [49:52]
A
A rocket thruster.
- [49:53]
B
Right. Sure.
- [49:53]
A
That's legal.
- [49:54]
B
That'll work. That'll be fine.
- [49:55]
A
And then there was some compressed air thruster idea as well. Someone said it could maybe fly. There was a just sort of a jumping.
- [50:02]
B
I gotta tell you, this car had more idea storage space than any car on sale today. It had all the trunk space for ideas.
- [50:09]
A
Yeah. Just how stupid is everybody for believing any of this bullshit?
- [50:16]
B
Well, look, in 2017 or 18, I can see people going, oh, he said it'll be ready next year. This sounds cool, but eight years on, like, I can't believe maybe people were trying to get their money back five years ago, but how long would you be willing to wait after giving them 50 grand, by the way?
- [50:35]
A
I mean, maybe two. Maybe two. But like, crimes are legal is what I'm trying to say. It gets proven every single day. Crimes are Just legal, financial. If it's white collar crime and you're a white person, they're legal. Just get away with it.
- [50:51]
B
So here's a little more detail on how hard it was to get this. This is from Slash Gear, but Tesla said that you could get your cancel your order anytime. But the website's quote manage reservation page had no cancel button and only gave you an email and a phone number. Tesla customers complained that neither contact method yielded a timely response. Only those who were lucky or persistent enough to reach a Tesla rep got through to anyone. And those folks didn't really want to help them. He had to do multiple cancellation requests via different channels, sometimes not even getting a response.
- [51:25]
A
Wow. It's awesome. It's awesome.
- [51:28]
B
And people got there, so you sort of put the deposit down. You'd give them five grand on a credit card, then you had to wire them 45 grand within 10 days. People are saying that they got the 45,000 back quicker, but we're having trouble getting the remaining five or vice versa.
- [51:43]
A
I saw one guy, one guy on Reddit, he said, I mean, this was a claim, but said that basically when he called up, the person, like, didn't know what a roadster was. The boy was like, roadster?
- [51:53]
B
Yeah. We don't have that car here. What are you talking about?
- [51:54]
A
We don't make that.
- [51:55]
B
We don't. That's the fault. Funniest response ever. We don't sell a roadster guy. I'm not giving. Hey, Ted, this guy wants 50 grand back for the roadster. We don't even sell a roadster. We don't sell a roadster guy. That's hilarious.
- [52:06]
A
Yeah.
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B
Geez. Can you imagine someone who's worked there for six months because there's turnover and they're like, I've never heard of this car. There's no. There's no roadster production line. I'm. I'm looking at the floor right now.
- [52:15]
A
2017. I was in high school.
- [52:19]
B
If there was a roadster plant, I would have heard about it. I'm the head of product.
- [52:22]
A
But, yeah, that's fun. Should we go to the people?
- [52:25]
B
Yeah, we can go to the people.
- [52:27]
A
Let's talk about the people's thoughts on the patreon. Patreon.com. the Smoking Tire podcast is where you ask questions for the show. Also where you. Also where you get what they're saying. Extra show. Sorry, this. I think it's. This is time. The flight is catching up to me. It's where you get extra show. It's where you Catch the live stream. It's where you get exclusive access to merch collabs and other stuff and where you get an ad free listening and watching experience. Can you punch in Zach, because I left my glasses in my bad eyes as well. Charlie Fenning says I've been driving a. Oh, wait, hang on. All right. I've been driving a Volvo V60, and because of ongoing issues, Volvo is going to buy it back. I don't want to lease anything and nothing excites me. And it seems silly to throw away this capital that Volvo is repaying. I'd love an RS4, but I'm not sure I can put as many miles I need on that. What else? For 25 to $45,000 used should I look at. I could use a wagon or SUV as I'm in the furniture business, but would consider a sedan with folding rear seats. And I'll rent a pickup truck when needed. You are a Golf R customer.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. Right.
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B
Yeah.
- [53:48]
A
You probably get one new.
- [53:49]
B
That's a. That's a really good.
- [53:51]
A
Get a new Golf R for. For that. I mean, almost a new Golf R. I think after taxes it would be more.
- [53:56]
B
Look up the measurements. But like my dad has a V60. I think it's a 2020 or a little older. But the, the back, the trunk is not huge. So I don't think a Golf R will be that. I don't think you'll lose that much room. And I think the roof shape in the back, glass shape is actually better.
- [54:10]
A
Yeah.
- [54:11]
B
So I would look that up.
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A
Up.
- [54:12]
B
Yeah. Could also look at the 328i, the diesel that Vinnie had.
- [54:16]
A
Oh, yeah, that F80 328D Sport wagon. That was lovely. Those are nice.
- [54:22]
B
That was a really nice car.
- [54:23]
A
Yeah. Johnny Ev. Gearberman. Why didn't Lincoln get a Mach E? Is Lincoln. I don't know. Do they not have an electric crossover? I guess they don't, do they? They're an electric like Nautilus or something. Or the Corsair. Wait, go back to the. The. Go back to the. Someone says. I thought. Someone. I thought I saw Corsair Livermore Lincoln. Is this from a dealer? Three new fully electric Lincolns by 2025. I mean, I would be shocked if there isn't a Lincoln that uses the.
- [55:01]
B
They have a Nautilus hybrid.
- [55:02]
A
Yeah.
- [55:03]
B
Corsair Grand Touring and Aviator Grand Touring.
- [55:05]
A
Okay. So they kind of do. I don't. It's not a Mach E, but like, you don't. You don't need to make like just badge Engineer that they could just. Nate Johnson says, okay, we last episode we talked about a loaded Accord versus an entry level Lexus. Makes me wonder, would you take a fully loaded RAV4 Hybrid versus an entry level RX350H or Lincoln Corsair?
- [55:35]
B
My wife literally did that. I mean, yes, we always talk about this. Get the nicest version of the model versus the least nice version of the upper model. Because otherwise, like, why do you want to drive around an expensive badge but a car that has no features?
- [55:48]
A
I agree with you. Except there are times where getting the better car is like work like, like a Japanese crossover from the Toyota Corporation. Yes, I'd want a fully loaded RAV versus a basic, a base Lexus. But would I want a fully loaded Mustang versus a base Cayman, you know, or a base Boxster? Like, whatever. Like there's times where you can get like a. In my opinion, what is a better car, you know, for similar money?
- [56:20]
B
Yeah, that's true.
- [56:22]
A
In the, in this specific example, I'll take the Reform Uli Kunkel's Autobahn. Best camera setup and way to mount them for recording fun weekend drives. I mean, just one of the consumer grade, you know, people like the DJI action cams. A lot of people like those. Now we still use GoPros and they're.
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B
Fine like the Sony's a lot too. Yeah, I do think if you have a really good mount, the iPhone, dynamic range and stuff and the audio capture of the iPhone is the best I've experienced out of any of the action cams. I mean, don't put it outside the car, obviously. And the meta glasses I have, I'm also very impressed with. Except they only shoot vertical. You can't shoot landscape.
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A
That stinks.
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B
The.
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A
I mean, the way to mount them, go to filmtools.com and search for vacuum suction cups. The vacuum ones. Those are the really good ones.
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B
Yeah, we use them. Larry Chancellor uses them for all of his.
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A
Anyone who is serious about doing this uses those. And you just need to have a clean surface. Bad gardener says. Did Chevy and other American manufacturers only make one car at a time in the 50s, 60s? Seems normal for people to say a 56 Chevy or whatever. And I have no idea what they're referring to. No, that's funny. No, they didn't. But they usually only made one collectible car at a time. So if Someone says a 56 Chevy, it's usually understood to be a Bel Air or something. But no, that's funny. They did make like a lot of different versions of the same fucking car they did.
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B
So I looked up, I typed in 1956 Chevrolet, and what's funny is that the Google results, the top five were for Bel Airs, but here are the cars that they made in 1956.
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So if you said a 56 Chevy, you could be one of six different variants of the Bel Air. The Bel Air sport coupe, the Nomad, the Cameo Carrier, which is the truck, pickup truck. The Corvette, the 150. Oh, that. Oh, that is also the truck. That's the. Yeah, that's a panel truck pickup truck. The Suburban, the 2 ton. And then they had three or four different race cars. So they made fucking like 25 different cars.
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B
But there was. There was a lot under this Bel Air umbrella. Wow, that's a funny question.
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A
Wouldn't Jesus take the wheel? The other night I saw one of those new BMWs with the enormous kidney grills out with the outline illuminated. Yep, that's the electric ones. How many more model refresh cycles do you think it's going to be until all these over the top LED lighting elements go the way of the floating Roo designs? I'd never.
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B
I don't think they're gonna go away for a while.
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A
Never.
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B
It started with Mercedes had the first LED badge. And I remember it was like a $12,000 option. It was very. Not 12. Like it's 1200 bucks. And now the whole grill is lit up. Ford trucks are doing it. Everyone's doing it. To announce to someone, this is what I'm driving.
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A
Triggered the lib. Oh, great. Where did you get that gray Jack? I don't know.
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B
I don't.
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A
I don't know what gray Jack?
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B
You've got like a Mr. Rogers, but like a nicer looking. It's like a sport coat sweater.
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A
Oh, the sweatshirt blazer. Faherty. That's from Faherty. And it comes in like five different colors. Mr. Nail Head says. Oh, sorry, that one. Now that. Thank you, but not relevant to the show today. Okay, man. People are asking me about cars I've never driven. Three days of graceful racing. Never driven the Mazda CX 70 or 90. Sorry, sorry. Chris from Colorado, once P. Cody is released, can you get someone on the team to join you on the podcast to go through every car in detail and how they stack up against each other?
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B
With respect to Chris from Colorado, isn't that what the article is for? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but that's exactly what they do. The article for P. Cody is long and very thorough.
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A
Yes, it's 25 pages.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. I mean that is what it is if someone's in la. I'm the only road and track writer that lives in la, so someone would have to be here. The driving emotion says the. With the Bolt coming back next year, is there any hope of the Volt making a comeback? Probably don't know. Not with GM's concept fucking. GM's had just had a fire there.
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B
Really?
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A
Yeah, in Pasadena. Like today or yesterday. Yeah, a concept car caught on fire in the building. The original report said that the whole building burned down, but it did not not. It was apparently one concept car caught.
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B
On fire and one concept car was lost.
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A
Yeah, the Volt was great. People should, they should come back. Waymo. Handjobs from women. I hardly know what's more annoying. A person that assumes you must be a douche if you drive a high end sports car or a person with no track experience that asks you what was your top speed only to look disappointed at whatever number you said. The first. The first is more annoying. Not everybody who drives a nice car is a douche. And most people don't understand the concept of track speed versus you know, most people just want to hear a big number.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Just when that happened. Here's the problem. The problem is someone says what's the fastest? You know what they want? Just give them a big fucking number.
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B
Sure.
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A
Make it up.
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B
Yeah.
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A
How fast did you go? 212. Okay, end of conversation. Rolex Lt Lariat, King Ranch. I'm looking at thousand $ish watches. Obviously Nola Notice is a reputable micro brand. How do you know what other brands are good quality or do you go by the movement and hope it's a quality piece? Dude, like there's so many online communities that talk about this shit constantly. Like there's, there's watch crunch, there's Reddit watches, there's any number of like face if anyone's still using Facebook, I don't know but like sub communities and, and like watch review. There's reviews by professionals that fucking. I don't know how someone writes 22500 words on a watch, but they'd find a way. And like, like there's a million ways to find out if a watch is good quality. The very best way is to ask about their return policy and buy one or to go find a place to try it on any of those shows. The Intersex show. Dude, this past couple of weeks there's been like seven watch shows all over the country. There's like wind up watch week in New York. There's watch something. Something in Austin.
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B
I think Intersect has an Austin show. Someone mentioned it.
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A
Yeah, yeah, there's. I mean there's, there's. I don't know where you're writing in from, but there's a million. Anyone who buys a micro brand watch, I guarantee you 8 out of 10 they're on a fucking forum and they're gonna show off their new watch and review it. Oh, and you search for one, you know, see what people are saying about it. And then if you, you know, if it passes the Internet approval test of like this isn't a complete piece of shit, you buy one, you ask about their return policy, you know, and if he doesn't feel right in your hands, you know, it's got to, it's got to sit right, it's got to look right, you know, on you return it. Get something else. Yeah, green. Okay. Green Elephant for Zach. Got an OH3 Crown Vic in light blue. Super clean. Previous Boomer owner. Should I leave it alone or dump some money making it an interceptor? Detective looking car with bumpers or leave it stock and crack? Chrome.
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B
I thought I was gonna have to put all the cop stuff on it. I bought a detective spec. It did not have, you know, the push bumpers. And I thought, no one's gonna think I'm a cop and get out of the way on the highway. I was wrong. My car looked stock. I think I put an antenna on the back. That did nothing. If you do that and you drive with authority, people will think you're a police officer. So don't put. Because the bumpers are cool to see, but they take you add a foot to the length of the vehicle, which trust me, you don't need. So parallel parking, that thing sucks already. You don't need to deal with that. Yeah, keep it, keep it. Leave it alone. It'll be easier to sell and everyone's gonna think you're a police chief.
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A
The count of Monte Caddo 20, 20, 19 and 20 vantages are depreciating quickly. Does your perspective on them change at $75,000 with low miles versus the 150 they sold for when new the the same. I feel the same way about them then and now because my argument against them then was that the AMG GT was a better version of the fucking same car. And those are 75 grand. Like if you think you might want a Vantage for 75 grand, you probably want an AMG GT. Actually yes. It's a better driving car.
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B
Interior is way nicer.
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A
Yeah, the current Vantage is rad.
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B
Yes.
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A
And when those are 75 grand, I'll recommend them. No, I recommend them new. But, yeah, the problem is that their biggest competitor has depreciated right alongside them. So if it's your dream car, it's not a shit box. It's fine. But they've done a really good job with the vantage between 2019 and now.
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B
Yeah, I think that that generation advantage, the one generation ago missed on so many points and that the AMG GT succeeded on. You're basically buying an Aston badge, but you're getting an INF car, in my opinion.
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A
Yeah. Last one, and then we'll save the rest for the next show because I can feel my brain slipping. Hot box. The Waymo scroll down, please. Says, I've been going through my dad's stuff since he passed away and came across some Porsche aftermarket parts catalogs and magazines from the 70s. Is there a market for this stuff? There's that show, the Lit Show. There's a. There's a show every year in LA called the lit show, and it's literally short for literature. And it's all Porsche books, magazines. But there's also, like, parts and service manuals and stuff. I mean, I don't know how one, other than physically being there would sell things at the lit show, but, like, there is a market because people do go to this show and buy stuff. But I would say, I don't know, ebay, maybe. And there's an. At the end of that donation to the lounge. Great thought. A lot of people send us stuff. Lounge ain't that big.
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B
Yeah, there's a lot of books in this place.
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A
There's too many books. And we were having a bigger lounge at the newest. The new place, so some of them are in there. But please don't send us any more books. We have too many coffee table books or magazines and stuff. We can't do it.
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B
One of the shelves is literally bending off the wall.
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A
Yeah, I had to. We had to take books off of it because of that. Yeah. All right, thanks, everybody. I hope my brain functioned at a reasonably appropriate level. The. The. Yeah, I don't even. I'm not gonna keep talking. I'm gonna end this one now because my brain is obviously, after 20 hours of traveling, not up to it anymore, but I appreciate you all and we'll see you later. Bye.