Driving the 1,250HP Czinger 21C VMax

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast: Driving the 1,250HP Czinger 21C VMax

Episode Date: September 11, 2025 Hosts: Matt Farah & Zack Klapman

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Matt and Zack share their intensely fresh impressions of the Czinger 21C VMax—a 1,250HP hybrid hypercar and one of the wildest vehicles Matt has ever driven. The hosts break down what sets the 21C apart from everything else in the hypercar world: from its unique fighter-jet design ethos to groundbreaking 3D printing technology. They also compare it to established heavyweights (Bugatti Chiron, Koenigsegg), discuss what it takes to drive such a car, and answer a wide range of listener questions. There's also a recounting of a marathon Porsche 911 road trip and some hilarious tales of customer service fails.

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Main Segments & Timestamps

• [00:00–02:15] – Introductions and playful banter
• [02:15–13:49] – First driving impressions of the Czinger 21C VMax
• [13:49–16:35] – How it feels on the road/canyons vs. other hypercars
• [20:13–21:54] – Cabin experience and ergonomics
• [22:00–27:47] – 3D printing technology & manufacturing innovation
• [27:47–34:05] – Track records, comparison to racecars and reliability
• [34:05–44:07] – Usability, unique sounds, ergonomics for drivers/passengers
• [44:07–46:54] – Road trip stories: Porsche 911 across the Smokies
• [49:20–59:29] – Epic valet fail; Karma at the Porsche Experience Center
• [60:02–63:32] – Porsche Classic Center, Carrera GT, and resto culture
• [63:28–66:16] – Listener car projects: BMW wins & home repairs
• [66:26–81:13] – Extensive patron Q&A: cars, watches, market advice & more
• [92:31–97:50] – New Testarossa, design opinions, and TT concept talk
• [99:52–101:43] – Whimsy in modern cars and best sub-$100k options
• [102:11–end] – Two-car road trip solutions, show wrap-up, and call to patrons

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Czinger 21C VMax: Not Just Another (Super)car

• Genuine novelty: Matt and Zack note how rare it is for a hypercar to break entirely new ground. The Czinger is “fighter jet” in inspiration, both aesthetically and functionally.

• Center-seat configuration: Compared to McLaren F1, T50, and Speedtail but with a purpose-built, tighter feel—truly tandem, not just “three across.”

• Engine notes: The Czinger’s 2.88L twin-turbo V8 with three e-motors (1,250hp combined) is a technical marvel: “Maybe the smoothest engine I've ever felt” – Matt [05:30].

  “If you said this was a fully electric car with a soundtrack of a tiny made-up little engine, I'd believe you. Because it's so smooth, so fast, and honestly, so quiet.” – Zach [07:12]

• Revving past 10,000rpm: Matt describes the thrill of hitting 10,750rpm, a first for him in a car.

• Drivability: The Czinger is less forgiving than a Bugatti—it's weapons-grade, sharp, and “so not for amateurs.” Requires “manhandling” and offers a formula-car-like experience.

  “Bugatti would never put a steering ratio this fast in a car. This is more like a formula car... This is the Chiron of BAC Monos.” – Matt [13:37]

• Size & packaging: Feels narrow despite wide actual dimensions; easy to place, less intimidating than other 1000hp+ cars.

• Ride & comfort: Stiff, but seats are surprisingly comfortable and the glass canopy makes the cabin open and pleasant (for the driver, at least).

3D Printing: Manufacturing Revolution

• Innovative construction: Many major subframes, suspension arms, hubs, and other components are 3D printed for optimal strength and minimal weight. Enables shapes and hollows impossible via traditional methods.

• Design language: These parts have a bone-like, organic look—both functional and visually striking.

  “If you just Google ‘Czinger 3D printed subframe’… [it] has material exactly where it needs to and is hollow exactly where it needs to be.” – Matt [23:15]

• Website v. reality: The buzzwords (“AI-driven,” etc.) sound like hype, but the actual product impresses.

  “You read the website and you go, ‘this all sounds like the jargoniest thing’... and then you drive the car and you're like, ‘Oh, that's what he meant.’ ” – Matt [25:56]

Lap Records & Real-World Performance

• Track monster: The Czinger 21C Blackbird (high-downforce variant) set five California lap records in five days—clear demonstration of reliability and sheer speed.
• Comparable cars & speed: Paces with Daytona Prototype racecars on lap times; likely the fastest road car Matt has ever driven except (possibly) versus the Rimac Nevera in a straight line.

Sounds, Ergonomics & Everyday Usability

• Strangely quiet: Aero and mechanical noise are unique, “stealthy.” The cabin never gets raucously loud, even at speed.

• Controls: Real tactile buttons, not touch panels. Clever HVAC vents, big pillarless windows, and minimal buffeting with windows down.

• Ingress/egress: Can be “hard,” especially for the back seat—which is more “silly” than practical. Passengers sit with feet on either side of the driver, and the seating is best suited for the athletic (or brave).

  “The back seat is kind of silly, but it’s there… I felt like I was on a motorcycle because when we were in the corners, I was leaning and looking around you.” – Zach [43:12]

• Transmission innovation: E-motor fills torque gap in single-clutch shifts, making it feel as refined as a dual-clutch.

  “This car taught me that an E motor in the flywheel solves the single clutch problem. Because this drives like a dual clutch… that's crazy.” – Matt [38:42]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On experiencing something genuinely new:

  “I've never really driven anything like it at all. And that made it very, very exciting.” – Matt [02:17]

• On hypercar culture:

  “This is the one where I'm finally like, oh man… this—for that kind of money, I could see this being a just completely different experience from all 20 of the other cars in your garage.” – Matt [30:06]

• On the unique chassis:

  “It all has this organic stretched sinew kind of look, which is rad.” – Zach [24:57]

• On seat time in a passenger’s perspective:

  “I was leaning and looking around you to see where we’re going… I felt like I was in a spaceship.” – Zach [43:16]

• On hypercar lap records:

  “It did a 1:24 at Laguna. That’s crazy… This is possibly the fastest car I’ve ever driven.” – Matt [28:48]

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Additional Podcast Highlights

Road Trip Recap: 911 Carrera S Across the Smokies ([44:07–46:54])

• Matt did 950 miles in four days through the Blue Ridge Mountains: “The Carrera S is the best road-tripping 911 and probably the best for every day as well… [It’s] just great as a car.” [46:54]

Epic Valet Fail in Nashville ([49:20–59:29])

• The hosts recount a comedic, infuriating experience with a valet “imprisoning” Matt’s borrowed Porsche. Ends with being offered a 918 Spyder at the Porsche Experience Center—a happy twist.

Porsche Classic Restorations ([60:02–63:32])

• Detailed, expensive Porsche Carrera GT restos happening at the Classic Center; color changes/customizations.

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Listener Q&A: Top Highlights

• Whimsical new cars under $100k: ID. Buzz, Volkswagen Manx, Morgan, Caterham.
• Best “two-car” road trip solution for golf/smoky mountain combo: “Someone brings a wagon or GT sedan like an RS6, CT5-Blackwing, or Panamera Sport Turismo to haul, other brings a sports car.”
• Market deep-dives: AMG choices for $90k, B6 S4 wagon advice, Porsche 911 Carrera S used prices, and watch recommendations for milestone purchases.
• Most "nerd culture" car brand?: Pre-war Concours cars and their obsessed judges.

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Design Opinions: Ferrari Testarossa Revival ([92:31–97:44])

• Both Zack and Matt agree the new car looks busy and awkward—much less elegant than Ferrari’s best recent designs:

  “They’ve just, like, put bits of other cars together in… a haphazard way.” – Matt [94:00] “My favorite Ferrari designs are always the really clean ones… this just looks like a bunch of stuff.” – Zach [94:43]

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Closing Thoughts

• Czinger 21C VMax stands apart: The consensus is clear—this car is not just another “incremental” hypercar but a radically new experience both in technology and feel.
• Matt & Zack re-energized: “This being a new departure… I was excited all day. I was excited just to be in its presence, and that hasn’t happened around hypercars in a long time.” – Zack [40:35]
• Patron support matters: Hosts remind listeners that Patreon support is the best way to help keep the show going.

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Summary Table: Czinger 21C VMax At a Glance

| Feature | Details | |------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------| | Engine | 2.88L twin-turbo V8 + three electric motors | | Total Power | 1,250 HP (950 ICE, 300 electric) | | Redline | up to 11,000 RPM | | Weight | ~2900 lbs dry, <3500 lbs wet | | Layout | Center seat, tandem, fighter-jet canopy | | Construction | Extensive use of 3D printed chassis/suspension components | | Driving Experience | Sharp, intense, requires full attention | | Comfort | Surprising—especially for the driver, challenging for passenger | | Market Position | Unique, not another “incremental” hypercar |

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Episode Takeaways

• The Czinger 21C VMax is a genuine leap forward in car design, both in terms of its technology and the experience it offers behind the wheel.
• 3D printing allows for new levels of weight optimization and design freedom, even if the web copy sometimes oversells it.
• In a landscape filled with powerful but similar hypercars, the Czinger stands out with real innovation and a uniquely daunting thrill factor.

Whether you’re obsessed with lap records, interested in next-gen manufacturing, or just love hearing about wild cars—this episode is a must-listen.

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Transcript

[Matt Farah]

What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Matt Farah here. And today's episode is, as always, brought to you by off the Record. We love off the Record, and I love off the Record because I'm recording these ads from a road trip where I had the confidence to know off the Record was in my pocket waiting for me the entire time if I got pulled over. There was the heat all over the place on this trip. And if you get pulled over, if you get ticketed, you need to go to offtherecord.com TST and get that handled immediately. Off the Record will connect you with a qualified attorney in the jurisdiction where you got pulled over, and they will fight that ticket on your behalf all the way to the end. You get 10% off all legal services with off the record by using OffTheRecord.com TST that's OffTheRecord.com TST all right, everybody. On this episode of the podcast, Zach and I Review the Zinger 21c. One of the wildest cars I have ever driven in my life, if not the wildest. We spend a lot of time on that. Plus, I tell you about my root scout for November's road and track. Blue Ridge Ramble on the Smoky mountains. I did 850 plus miles in four days in the 911 Carrera S in a variety of weathers, and I tell you all about it. Plus, we got some great questions from our patrons, including what is the most whimsical vehicle that you can buy for reasonable money? It's the Smoking Tire Podcast. Let's go. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the morning Zoo. Hi. What's going.

[Zach]

Whoa. Drinking the 12 year Jeffrey's favorite.

[Matt Farah]

Today we're gonna have Ben the Frog on.

[Zach]

He's gonna do some wacky stuff for this Deep Throat.

[Matt Farah]

A cucumber high. What's happening, everybody? It's been a very long day, but an exciting one. Started very, very early. Sorry, but zinger, zinger, zinger. 21C is. That's some. That's some, like, fighter plane.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's.

[Matt Farah]

That's. That's a new. Like, it is. It is extremely rare to. To really. To really get to try the new thing. And I think it's. I think. I think all of a sudden I realized kind of that at this. What, what, like, okay, when I went to the Sphere to see you two, that was like my moment of being. Like, there is a good use for this technology. Like all this fucking processing power and stuff. Like, it really seemed like we, the consumer were Getting bled dry by all this. But then I saw this and I was like, oh, at least there's one, like, great use for this. And like all these, like really expensive, crazy hypercars are beautiful and interesting, but they're ultimately like up leveled versions of like the normal, quote, supercars. Right. It's like sort of the same formula, just like more of something. Okay. This one, I was like, oh, this is, this is some new shit right here. Like, this is a different type of vehicle entirely. And I don't. I've never really driven anything like it at all. And that made it very, very exciting.

[Zach]

Well, it's very rare to have a single, sorry, center seat. You know, there's McLaren, there's Speed Tail, there's the other McLaren.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach]

And then there's BAC Mono. But that's a rare configuration. But then also the construction of this is rare.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Well, even the, a center drive car, like, is like, even the T50 is constructed with roughly the same kind of footprint. Like a Speedtail or a T50 has roughly the same type of footprint as if it was two people next to each other. But they've made it three people, which was efficient and cool and fucking awesome. This is designed from the ground up to be fighter jet.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And like that's what you get. Fighter jet. Like, the first time I drove a Koenigsegg and got in it and had this windshield that wrapped past my 180.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And it eliminated the A pillars. I was like, oh, this is different. This. I don't have to be going fast. This immediately is different. This is like, oh, this is even. This is the most different.

[Zach]

Well, from the moment you see it, it's different. And then you get in, close the door, it's different.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And I think to your point, so many supercars, hypercars are iterations, some impressive, some just fine. Of essentially the same idea that began with, you know, the, the Dino. You know, mid engine car, two people sitting next to each other. It was mirror first or do you know? Oh, damn it.

[Matt Farah]

First mid engine.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You'd have to go back pretty far for first engine.

[Zach]

Well, that's true.

[Matt Farah]

250Lm. Yeah.

[Zach]

Whatever race cars thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

They're versions of that and they're. And cool. But like, this just does feel like a very different step, different trail. And then the execution is also good.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And that is, you know, you can have one, but it's hard to have both.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So hats off.

[Matt Farah]

And like, they made their own engine, and that engine is insane. But Also maybe the smoothest engine I've ever felt. Yeah.

[Zach]

Can we talk about why does it feel like a straight eight in terms of there's no vibration like in the whole car. But I mean, it's a V8. It's a very, very tiny V8.

[Matt Farah]

Small V8, 2.88 twin turbo, makes 950 horsepower. And then it has another, another 300 horsepower of E motors. Two in the front, one in the, in the trans, in the flywheel. But the engine, when you rev it, you can feel the little, the little fizzies of a revving engine through your hands, but you don't feel anything through the chassis.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Like if you drive like any other engine that makes a whole, any other car that makes a whole bunch of power and you put it in neutral and go voo, voo. Like you can feel that in the chassis. You don't just hear it with this car. You don't.

[Zach]

It's weird.

[Matt Farah]

That's really weird and really cool and different. It's overbore, over square. Has a short stroke and a big bore and a small displacement. It's a flat plane crank. Presumably these are like, you know, hand built, balanced and blueprinted perfection type engines. I don't know the name of. They said the company that actually builds them. They design them. Yeah, Zinger designs them. And there's a company, the company in New Zealand that builds them.

[Zach]

And one of our friends today told me that Ed Pink also does some work from this engine, which would make sense. Legendary name.

[Matt Farah]

It's unlike other engines.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah. If you said that this is a fully electric car that has a soundtrack of a tiny made up little engine, I'd believe you. Sure. Because it's so smooth, it's so fast, it's honestly so quiet. Too quiet. But look, they had to get us past emissions and all the other things.

[Matt Farah]

Well, and small twin turbo engines are just not going to be that loud. I mean it is a very pleasant sound. There's probably a way to make it louder if you want. But the exhaust is very loud.

[Zach]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

I mean the exhaust is only, you know, 18 inches long.

[Zach]

It's pretty rad. It's pretty rad.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It's bananas. And so. And I don't know if the engine would work without the E motors because that's. This type of engine is a top end engine, very top end. That this type of design, if it was a torque engine, it would be a longer stroke. This is an engine that's for rev. It goes to 11,000. Yeah, I got it to 10, 750 and I ran because I ran out of room in the low gears. It shifts up automatically in the first two gears. Cause otherwise you'd have fucking problems timing.

[Zach]

It would be very difficult.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. It's too fast. You do it automatically. And then in third, I tried to get it to 11 and I ran out of room at 10, 7, 50. And I've. I didn't. I can't believe I didn't say it in the camera. I only thought of it later. I think that's the first time I've personally revved an internal combustion engine past 10.

[Zach]

Motorcycles.

[Matt Farah]

I have very little experience with 4 cylinder motorcycles. Almost all the motorcycles I've ever ridden have been twin or single or something like that. So I do not have a lot of four cylinder engine experience with motorcycles.

[Zach]

Let's get you an R1.

[Matt Farah]

I probably have revved a bike past 10, but it doesn't come to mind at the moment. This is definitely the only time I've ever revved a car past 10, which is a fun thing to say, but it's not very useful. But it does mean that when you're at seven, you can downshift, which is wild.

[Zach]

When you were driving, when I was riding behind you, you were calling out the RPMs you were shifting at, which is really funny. But I think what you were saying is, I'm shifting now, we're going really fast and I'm not even close to redline. You're like, that was only nine and a half or that was eight and a half.

[Matt Farah]

No, most. I mean, you can't. This car makes 1250 horsepower and a fuckload of torque. And it has this. The crazy torque vectoring at the E motors at the front and it's a very sharp steering rack. And actually my elbows and forearms are pretty toasted from driving this thing all day. It's pretty, it's. You have to manhandle it. It's, it's not. This, this thing is. This thing is so fucking weapons grade. Like, yeah, like, it's, it's, it's so not for amateur.

[Zach]

It is as serious as it looks. Do not underestimate this car.

[Matt Farah]

They've done nothing. I mean, it's smooth, they've done some things, but like, it's, it's, it's you out there.

[Zach]

Well, compare it. So you've driven, you've driven Bugatti Chiron.

[Matt Farah]

That's the easiest, right?

[Zach]

So far. What about that is easier than this? Like, like suspension, steering racks Very much.

[Matt Farah]

Like a normal car.

[Zach]

The Bugatti.

[Matt Farah]

Yes, it's the. It's the best. It's the best normal car in the world. Like, I don't want to, like, insult, you know, mate or anybody at Bugatti, but, like, they know what I mean. Like, the corporateness of Bugatti means it has to be done in a. In a certain way so that like. Like what I guarantee you, one of the missions of Bugatti is that literally anybody can get in one and turn it and be able to turn it on and be able to drive it like that. No training. Like, I guarantee you, that's part of the Volkswagen AG thing. Right? Like, this isn't that. You know, you have to be taught some shit and you have to, like, it doesn't work like a regular car. It's like a kind of different type of driving. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's just. It's just a very extreme way to deliver power and performance. And although it's got, you know, traction and stability control and all that stuff, like the. These, the pa. The speed you can be going probably can overwhelm the braking performance of the car. Not like in a bad. It's just like you could have a really big crash.

[Zach]

Well, I mean, it's not.

[Matt Farah]

It's more. A lot more crashable than a Bugatti.

[Zach]

Oh, interesting. Okay. I feel like because they're both extremely fast and if you dip into the pedal too far in either one, you will overwhelm the brakes and the tires, no problem.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. This doesn't have like an active air brake, for instance, so it has some interesting behaviors when you go from full throttle to full braking and you kind of have to hang on. It's. And this isn't like a terrible thing, it just is a thing. This one and this, the one we drove is called the V Max. You know, there aren't a lot of these around. So they didn't have the Blackbird, which is the high downforce car.

[Zach]

Track attack. Yeah, sorry.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's. Yeah. So this was a no wing car. So the wing is functional. And I mean, it's in aerodynamics is linear. So you are getting very real use of those aerodynamic advantages in those other cars. But it's. This is just a really nasty thing. The power to weight is crazy. The central driving position is crazy. The steering ratio is crazy. Bugatti would never put a steering ratio this fast in a car. This is more like a formula car type steering ratio. This is like if the BAC Mono was like, good. Like if it was that. This is the chiron of bac Monos. You know, if you want that sort of formula car type experience. This has a really comfortable seat, lots of room. I drove this thing comfortably all day long. Like it really is. It doesn't look it. It looks claustrophobic, but it's not. When you're in there in the back, it is claustrophobic. No, in the back it's. But in the front it's not.

[Zach]

It's not.

[Matt Farah]

I could drive it for hours and it would be just fine.

[Zach]

Well, because you have, I mean, the roof above you, it feels. It feels incredibly open. It feels like, you know those clear submarines that they used to do it. Like, I don't know, SeaWorld or whatever, where it's. You go 10ft down, but you can see everything. Yeah, it feels like that. The whole world is very open to you. And then you have the huge, like pontoon fenders and so it just feels like. Visibility is amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Pretty good. Except for straight behind you.

[Zach]

Yes, correct.

[Matt Farah]

You can't see anything straight behind you.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Which is actually funny, which bothers me less than it should, because you know what else you can't see straight behind you? The Myers makes. So I'm really primed for that type of driving with this car. But because of the fighter jet type seating position, the car itself is actually quite narrow. It's probably no wider than a Miata, and so you could actually look that up. But it feels very narrow on the road. Unlike any other car that has over a thousand horsepower. All of them, they're big, Right. There's no other small cars with this kind of power. They're all big. And so if you come out on a canyon road with a Revuelto or a Bugatti or something, any road will start to feel pretty small pretty quick. None of them have a small footprint now, I hear the. The. Was I right?

[Zach]

No. It's a foot wider than Miata. Is it a foot wider than Quick? Look says it's 80 inches wide. That happened after an update in 2021. I can't see real quick if that is with or without mirrors, but a Miata is 68 inches. Wow. Wide. 68 inches without mirrors on a Miata.

[Matt Farah]

Well, I'll tell you what, you fooled me. Sorry I got that fact wrong, but you. You fooled me. It drives narrow. It drives like a narrow car, which I. I thought it was very easy to place in the lane and to move around in the lane. It rides a little firm. I thought because it's not very heavy. It's under 3, 500 pounds. I didn't get an exact weight yet, but it's under 3, 500. I thought it would have ridden a little better. It was a little stiff.

[Zach]

What was this? 29. Dry. Dry weight.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but, like, I don't know if there's some trick. I don't think they're doing trickery there. I hope. Dry. It's got a 4 kilowatt hour battery pack. Dry. Must include the battery pack and just no fluids, right?

[Zach]

I hope so.

[Matt Farah]

But it also. I mean, look at the size of those side pod intakes. Like, it must have huge radiators and tons of fluid. It's probably carrying gallons and gallons. Gallons of coolant. So we'll get an exact. I'm gonna get an exact weight for Roadtrack. We literally drove this thing this morning. I'm not responsible for facts and figures until next week. I was responsible for not sending the thing off a cliff today. That was my job.

[Zach]

That was the job.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And there are no touch panels. Everything is a real button. They've gone through the trouble. I mean they're these sort of like rubberized panels but that have button there. I thought, I thought they worked great. I thought they were fine.

[Zach]

They did. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The quality of the buttons. And they've got the scrolly wheels. They made like 3D printed little scroll because they're 3D printing all this stuff. We haven't even Talked about the 3D printing yet. But you can't really see it in this photo. But the way that the air conditioning vents run inside and along the doors in these thin Slits that, like, hit you as the driver at just the right place is pretty slick.

[Zach]

The vents are almost right before your shoulders, and we didn't even notice them in the beginning. We thought it was like a speaker or whatever or just some texturing. And then you learned it was like, oh, that's actually the ac. It blows, like across your chest.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And probably really helps cool you down. Like, move the air around. Super cool.

[Matt Farah]

And I'll tell you what, when you drive with the windows down, which I did for most of the day, other than doing my in car talking, I drove with the windows down for most of the day. When you drive with the windows down, there's no buffeting at any speed. You know, you and I had a conversation with the windows down. Yeah, you can, you can. I could drive. It was not tiring at all. Like, you could listen to Pro. I didn't try to listen to music. It does have a radio. I don't want to say definitively that you could listen to music with windows down, but based on everything else, I'm very confident that you could listen to music with the windows down, no problem. And it was a really, really pleasant experience with the glass up top and overhead and the side windows down. Like, that's fucking proper. And they're big windows. They go, like all the way to the back.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's all pillarless. One giant window for both. Pass for both seats.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. Super cool, the 3D printing that. Because that's really what the thing is, right? And when people hear about this car, the first thing they say to me is, oh, that's the 3D printed car. Right. Which is sort of like, yes and no. Many components of this car are 3D printed. So this car is a division of a company called Divergent3D, which was started by a guy named Kevin Zinger, who we interviewed 10, 11 years ago. And I said at the time, I was like, this guy's either like a super, super genius or a complete lunatic. And now that we've driven the car, we know which one he was. And so he started this company to do reinvent assembly factories. Basically looking at the waste that comes from manufacturing.

[Zach]

And waste, in their terms is stuff like the molds, forecasting, or like if you cast something and you have to shave a part off of that cast or just literally, like the tooling, you know, required. If you. If the tooling is disposable or if there's like just overuse of stuff or even some of the welding. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Welds parts that are. That are needlessly heavy and over strong because they just have to be made a certain way. And the cheapest way to do it is a solid block of iron or something. And so they're able to use additive manufacturing, better known as 3D printing, for a ton of assemblies, sub assemblies, to create structures that are optimally strong, optimally rigid, and minimally heavy. And some of these structures are really amazing. If you just. If you just Zach, Google, like Zinger 3D printed subframe. They have like a display card that there's lots of photos of. And so their front and rear subframes are 3D printed. Like their suspension arms and knuckles are 3D printed. Yeah, that stuff. That's the good shit right there. They have their wheel hubs and brake. The wheel hub and brake caliper is one piece. It's just like a thing. So that photo that Zach has. So that structure has. Has material exactly where it needs to and is hollow exactly where it needs to. And some of those structures are completely hollow. Some of them have honeycomb inside of them. And it's all like, they don't like, have to put an extra ounce of fucking material on the car, which is really cool. And they can make structures and, and parts of a car that would be otherwise impossible to forge or cast. And there's certain parts that are like that. Plus they can make stuff that just looks really cool.

[Zach]

Yeah, I mean, it all has this like organic stretched sinew kind of look to it, which is rad. And the only. Well, it's visible in the engine bay. The engine bay is one of the coolest.

[Matt Farah]

I have an engine. There's an engine bay shot in the, in the Instagram post there.

[Zach]

And it looks awesome. Like if people are watching, like the control arms right here are, you know, instead of being totally round and tubular or squared off, people are used to seeing those. This is like a blend of the two. I mean, imagine if you have play doh and you just tried to make like, you know, two sticks that ran parallel with your hands. Like, it's very organic and kind of thicker in places, thinner in places. There's little bridges across it. Because in testing or design or whatever, they realized, oh, we need some strengthening at this point, but not two inches further down the control arm. So that's what we're talking about when we say we've optimized. Now, what's interesting about all this, I will say, because I think the tech is rad and they have obviously demonstrated that it's very useful in other things.

[Matt Farah]

What's funny is if you read their website, it reads like hypey bullshit. You read the website and you go, this all sounds like the jargoniest thing, like, AI driven. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you're like, oh, I'm just rolling my eyes at the who thing. And then you drive the car and you're like, oh, that's what he meant.

[Zach]

Well, the AI driven thing is. Is left out as strange because, like, the Hennessy venom.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

They famously tout Hennessy does. Like, we put our idea into a computer. We let it design the shape. Here's what we got.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Now, is that AI essentially, like, I. I think we need clearer definitions.

[Matt Farah]

John never referred to that as AI.

[Zach]

I know he didn't, but I'm saying, like, the Computer Aided Design has been around for a long time, I think. I'm wondering if that's being rebranded as AI because it's just a computer is doing thinking for you. I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

Possibly. I don't know. Either way, without an amazing car, the website looks bad.

[Zach]

It does.

[Matt Farah]

If you. If you. If you then drive the car, you go, oh, like, this is what they were talking about.

[Zach]

But the other thing that's a little strange to me, and I say this as someone who is a fan of this technology, because I think it looks cool and it's interesting, is that the weight, 2900 dry. The F5 is, like 2982 dry. The Pagani Utopia is 3100 pounds. I think that's wet. Do you remember what they said when you drove it?

[Matt Farah]

The Utopia, I think, was not quite that. I think that's the dry weight.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

3100.

[Zach]

So what's funny is, like, I. When I started typing these numbers in last night, I was like, man, this thing's gonna weigh nothing compared to these folks. It's actually really close. Yeah. And they all used it similar.

[Matt Farah]

How many of those cars have a 4.4 kilowatt hour battery?

[Zach]

Oh, that's a good point.

[Matt Farah]

Three electric motors.

[Zach]

That's a great point.

[Matt Farah]

You know what I mean? So there's. So it goes back in, but it's been taken out from other places to end up in the same place.

[Zach]

I did not think of that.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, this car did not. This one we drove, but the one with the wing did set five California track records last month in one week.

[Zach]

In five days, basically. And the times days thing is funny.

[Matt Farah]

Because, like, they made up that game. Like, it didn't need to be five days. Like, they. Because I saw the film. I Watched the film, and it's a good film, and it's amazing. They literally. They said five. Like, that's fucking awesome. And that's really hard. But the part about it that was really hard is the five days part, which they entirely came up with. Like, they didn't have to do that.

[Zach]

Well, I think if you're a company, I think it's great marketing because you go, it's reliable enough to get the shit kicked out of it five days in a row. Well, now, is the engineering team up all night between each race? I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

No, they. Yeah, they broke a couple. But the things they broke. Like the car didn't break.

[Zach]

Yes, like, they broke. They had an oops. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And then another little oops. It's okay. And they still did it. The car's so fucking fast. Like, it did. This car did a 24 at Laguna.

[Zach]

It did.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy.

[Zach]

It was. Well, it was 0.36 seconds faster than its previous record.

[Matt Farah]

That was their hardest challenge. That was the one where. Where I think his name is Joel really had to push because he was the. In the. Some of the other ones, the records that he beat were big.

[Zach]

They were very big.

[Matt Farah]

The describe. The difference was big. He beat. He beat the record at Thermal club.

[Zach]

By like 10 seconds. Yeah, 10.33 seconds. At Willow Springs. It was one and a half. Coda. They were like the first one to run it, so they more like set the record.

[Matt Farah]

But Coda wasn't on the. On the five and five. They did.

[Zach]

Oh, that's right. In California. But they beat the Coda record, which was the 5, by 0.2. But the previous production record at Laguna was a McLaren Senna, and it was 127.8. So they beat that by three seconds.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's a lot significant. A lot of Laguna. Yeah. This is. This is possibly the fastest car I've ever driven. Likely, in fact, it's this versus acceleration. The Nevera. I think in a drag race, I think the Nevera still wins. But, like, man, this is the thing. This. This car is where I'm like, I've been. I've been sour on the hypercars. I've been overwhelmed by the hypercars. And they're. They're all cool. You know, they're all fun to drive. But like, this. This is the one where I'm finally like, oh, man, this. For. For that kind of money, I could. I could see this being a just completely different experience from all 20 of the other fucking cars in your gar. Whereas most of the other quote hypercars are only a incremental improvement over, you know, over those type of cars during the same type of driving.

[Zach]

Especially when they're all going for records. Like, I think T50 is a departure because it's focused on driving B road, stuff like that. But when they're all chasing faster and faster times, I mean, look, they're going to end up at a similar solution if they're side by side seated mid engine cars like this is like F1. If one has rules, they're like, oh, they can do whatever they want. Well, there's only so many ways to go on a track that fast.

[Matt Farah]

And these cars have different personalities. I'm not trying to be shitty on them. I just like they the most of them are the same formula as what you can get for a lot less money just turned way up. This is wholly different from that. And most of it is unavailable in any kind of approximation at a lower price. Yeah, you can't. There's no cheaper version of this. This is it.

[Zach]

This is the mono, the closest thing.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

And, you know, to get close to this. When I was looking up the lap times, all of the lap times it was running its neighbors for those times were like DPO3 Daytona cars. All of, like, faster and slower in that they're. All of their neighbors are full race cars.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So that's how you have to get close to this.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Crazy. It's so fast, but it's also pretty fun when you don't. When you're not going very fast. I mean, whether you're going fast or whether you're going slow, this is not normal. But other than one, like, very nothing. Oopsie. With the car where a light came on and it required a reset. Other than that, worked all day. Hot. Doing our filming stuff worked exactly as advertised. And it's a real dude. I was flipping through the menus. It's got CarPlay. The H Vac works just fine.

[Zach]

Was the screen easy to read in all lighting conditions? Yeah, I drove it for five minutes, but it was, like, mostly shaded where I was.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was fine. There is you. It was better than. Shout out to our dearly departed sponsor, Dylan Optics. We got the letter saying our contract won't be renewed. So thank you to everybody who ever bought a pair of Dylan Optics. And I do still love the glasses, but.

[Zach]

And if you work for a sunglasses company, please email us.

[Matt Farah]

We now free agents. We love sunglasses. So get at us. But the polarized glass, there is some. If you. I think one of the pictures kind of shows it, but maybe the one just Looking forward. Yeah, you can't really. There's a little bit of reflections. It's not that bad. Polarized glasses made a big difference. The windshield is not glass.

[Zach]

It's less weird.

[Matt Farah]

It's a, it's a Lexan like polycarbonate material which they say was very difficult to get that through dot.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But God damn, what a thing.

[Zach]

It moves through the air unlike any car we filmed. Meaning when I'm filming the drive bys, you're coming past me at speed. And most cars have two sounds. There's exhaust sound first if it's really loud, you know, ZR1 or something. And then there's stuff like Porsche Turbos or some of the McLarens where I hear air and tire first. It's just. And like the sound of tires going. And then you go by and I hear the exhaust. This thing was really, really, really strangely quiet moving through the air until you were like 40ft from me. And then all of a sudden it was like. And it was like. It was like getting punched with the air, but. And then the moment was over and then you were gone. It was. I asked the guy, the marketing guy didn't know what the coefficient of drag was. I'm very curious. This is the V Max. It's obviously the top speed one. I'm curious if it's like point two four, what it would it must be to just move through so quietly. So yeah, it was weird. It's cool. It's like. It was very stealthy, you know, I.

[Matt Farah]

Haven'T gotten to listen to them.

[Zach]

Very stealthy.

[Matt Farah]

I have to hear that. Yeah. Polite whipping. Mildly. It's good in the car. I mean it's not loud, but it's, it's a very pleasant sound.

[Zach]

It's cool. It's just.

[Matt Farah]

And I think because it's. Because it's tandem and because it's a small engine, it's pretty far away from you, behind you. Everything is happening far behind you. As the driver, the engine's way back there, the exhaust is behind it. So I mean you're getting pleasant sounds for sure in the cabin, but it's not that loud. And it's so smooth. That powertrain. God fucking damn it, it's awesome.

[Zach]

How was the suspension?

[Matt Farah]

A little firmer than I'd like ideally. But I certainly, given the performance of the car would absolutely not complain about it at all.

[Zach]

I feel like that's one of this because I rode in the Chiron and I drove this briefly and I'm driving and I go, what mode am I? In he goes, you're normal. I went, huh? Like, it felt stiffer than expected. Whereas the Chiron. Maybe it's the weight or maybe it's just the clever suspension. Like, it damps a lot of that stuff better.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Because it's trying to be more almost this S8.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

You know, it's like three S8s shoved into one. But that's kind of like the attitude of it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. They're supposed to be civil. This doesn't need to be civil. This needs. This is supposed to be crazy.

[Zach]

It is crazy, but I think it's also more tame. Well, you should speak this like versus ssc. Like, both. Both had quick steering rack, but this had seemed like less dive under braking.

[Matt Farah]

Like riding a bull. This, this. Oh, the other thing I didn't mention is this car taught me that an E motor in the flywheel solves the single clutch problem. Because this drives like a dual clutch, even though it's a single clutch, because it has the E motor to fill the torque during those exact moments where the single clutch is weakest, which is at the 40 to 80% like throttle position type shift. I drove this thing at first and I was like, wait, is this a dual clutch? Like. No, no, it's a single clutch. But the E motor fills it. And I was like, oh, wow.

[Zach]

Feels really good.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy.

[Zach]

It felt totally refined. And the shift, the paddle action is wonderful. The click is so good.

[Matt Farah]

The paddles themselves are out of another car. And I can't figure out what it is. Is. It's driving me nuts. Pull up the picture.

[Zach]

That is surprising because they are. But why? Because they can make all the things.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know well. But I, I really think. Oh, you really can't see them. The design. I. It's. I really think they're out of another car. They look very familiar. It would be pretty much the only thing that's out of another car. But I think it is.

[Zach]

I don't know. We'll have to ask them. Yeah, we'll have to ask them.

[Matt Farah]

It wouldn't be the end of the world. They feel very nice. But I just. It's. It's getting me. I'd look, I look at that shape and it's getting me what that. What that is shared with or very similar to, at least.

[Zach]

I think this is cool because it's, you know, at this point, like, I've had this job a long time. So have you. I think we do get a bit jaded about some of the hypercars and also they just felt like very similar iterations that were just trying to be sold to the same group of people.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach]

So this being a new departure, kind of re. Excited. I was excited all day. I didn't drive in the canyons. I had a great time this morning. I was like, this thing is so cool to look at and be around. I was excited just to be in its presence, and that hasn't happened around hypercars in a long time.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It looks like an alien.

[Zach]

It. It looks like a spaceship. Sounds like a spaceship. And it's such a new thought on stuff. Like, the SSC was a crazy exciting day because I was like, I can't believe I'm driving this thing that I have loved the shape of since it debuted. But just also, it's 1700 and 1700 horsepower, which was kind of crazy. But it felt like. I don't know, like, all right, this is a version of a song we've heard before.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And on this thing, I was like, this has a whole bunch of new thoughts in it.

[Matt Farah]

It also makes sounds I've never heard a car make, which is very cool. It like, the. I don't think the. The sounds of the E motors are muffled at all. I think you're hearing authentic E motor sounds, and it makes a whole bunch of fucking crazy sounds that aren't. They're. They're. They're fun and pleasant. I just. I haven't heard them before, which is really interesting. Nuts.

[Zach]

Well, it's so good to look at anyone who buys one of these. Don't get it in black, because this has so much wonderful curve and little creases. And, like, there's some subtleties to the design. And then there are some things that are not subtle about the design, of course. But all of it should be shown in, like, a metallic color, because when the sun hits this, regardless of time of day. Dude, there's so much to look at.

[Matt Farah]

We got a light blue or a Venturine.

[Zach]

These intakes are insane. Ingress egress is hard. Like, be prepared for that. If you're. If you're not a relatively.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Athletic or committed person.

[Matt Farah]

I. Probably 25 times.

[Zach]

Pretty bad.

[Matt Farah]

The back seat's bad.

[Zach]

Like, you're. You're. I was talking to Thaddeus. The feet. You're the passenger's feet. Need, like, platforms.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Or stirrups for, like. And not even as a joke of, you know, like a gynecologist joke.

[Matt Farah]

Like.

[Zach]

Cause that's where your feet are. I need something to put my feet against because we're going really fast because for people. I didn't know this until I walked up to the car today and I'm starting to film, and I look in the back and I went. I saw that there was three inches of distance between the bottom of the passenger seat and your seat back.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And I thought, maybe that's in mat position.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

But that means I can't sit behind. This is, you know, this is like Aston. What was his sedan Repeat. And then I learned, of course, that my legs go on either side of your chair and press against your seatbelt. And that's all right. Need stirrups.

[Matt Farah]

Very exposing.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yeah, it is.

[Matt Farah]

The back seat is kind of silly, but it's there.

[Zach]

It's there, it's there.

[Matt Farah]

You can bring some. Once you were in it, then what?

[Zach]

Well, it felt cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

It was special. I felt like I was on a motorcycle because when we were in the corners, I was leaning and looking around you to see where we're going.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And then, I don't know, I felt like I was in a spaceship.

[Matt Farah]

You didn't feel like, goose, you're in a fighter plane.

[Zach]

Oh, I think we're right into the corners. So I felt like I was in a motorcycle, but after a while, sure, I could do comms or handle navigation.

[Matt Farah]

But you were concerned about potentially getting motion sickness back there.

[Zach]

I was initially, because I know that riding in the back seat of a car in the canyons is a guaranteed way to get motion sickness, especially if you can't see out the windshield, you know. So if all I saw was the back of your head and seat, and I literally was basically flying blind, I'm sure I'd get sick in five seconds. So that's part of why I was leaning around you to see what was coming up next.

[Matt Farah]

Did you look at the Meta Glasses video? Is it interesting?

[Zach]

I haven't looked at it yet, but.

[Matt Farah]

I bet it'll be probably neat.

[Zach]

I'll be kind of cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. A lot can change with your view driving the car. It's very important. And being in a fighter plane canopy is pretty different and awesome. Especially, you know, you think it's going to be more claustrophobic than it is, but when you really. When you open the windows, then it's like. Like amazing. That's really good. So we've got video. I'm writing a story for Road and track as well. And we just gave the whole thing away. But you have to see it. You have to see it in motion, and it's crazy. That's Good. But I just did four days in a 911 Carrera S, drove all over the south for. We were scouting. We've got an event coming called. There's that Porsche called the Blue Ridge Ramble. There it is. Which you can sign up for experiences.road starts at the PEC in Atlanta, where we have actually a day at the pec. You get to rip Porsches on the track, which is fabulous. We then drive out to Chateau Ilan, the winery out in Brazelton. And then we have a track day at Atlanta Motorsports park in your own cars. And then we go up the Charahala skyway to. To Poco Lodge in the middle, which is right in between the skyway and Tale of the Dragon. Amazing. It's on this river. Tail the dragon to Knoxville bourbon tasting, and then the good roads to Nashville and end at the Lane Motor Museum. It's going to be a fucking amazing event. So I scouted it in this 911 Carrera S. This Carrera S, it's like these are. You know, all 911s are. Are. Are kind of the same and also very different. Right. And I, I really think I chose very wisely for this. I think that the Carrera S is the best road tripping 911 and probably the best for every day as well. Unless you want to drive stick and a Carrera T, I totally get that. But like, for every day and for a road trip, it has a really compliant suspension. But in the sport mode, it tightens up really nice. It's got a bunch of power. It's 473 horsepower. It's really fast car. The rear wheel drive one has fabulous steering at the front. It's really good. It had P Zeros on it. I did Tail of the Dragon in a fucking monsoon. And I had so much fun. I got. I put the traction control in sport and I would get like a degree or two here and there. But that car. These cars are great in the wet. And I have photos I'll post later of the interior had like extended leather 18 ways. And if it was full red, it was this arctic silver over full red.

[Zach]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

Which was pretty.

[Zach]

Yeah, I like that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But I did like 950 miles in four days. Mostly back roads. Is. This is not. That's 950. Like, that's all that's driving my, like, but my body. It's a lot. It's. It was so many miles, but this thing like, like held all my stuff. Comfortable every day, you know, easy to get in and out of Just great as a car. Just put everything in comfort, normal comfort, whatever on the highway. And it would be quiet and just. Just radar cruise motor along. And then you'd turn it all up for. Oh, it's just so nice.

[Zach]

Did the Zinger have a trunk or frunk? The frunk. Okay. I didn't see it.

[Matt Farah]

The what?

[Zach]

Does the Zinger have a trunk?

[Matt Farah]

Oh, the Zinger.

[Zach]

Yeah. I'm just. Departure. Okay. No, go back to 9 11. I was just like, Wait a minute.

[Matt Farah]

I thought you said the 9 11. Of course.

[Zach]

Yeah, great one.

[Matt Farah]

But it was. It was really, really nice. And I ate at a place called show, which is a new Sean Brock pizza restaurant in Nashville. And I had some of the best food imaginable. So good fucking go if you're in Nashville. It's amazing. Look at that pizza. It's amazing. But I have to tell you a story, Zach, that I wanted to tell you this morning, but I did not. I saved it for you. I had a. I had an all time customer service experience, and by that I mean bad. So I did a lot of driving in this 911 during this trip. And the very last drive is Monday morning. I have to go from Nashville to Atlanta to catch a flight home. All right? And I've. I've timed this out and I need to be in the car at 6:15am in Nashville. Okay? There's no problem. Now, this is a valet only hotel. It's expensive valet. This is the Dream by Hyatt in Nashville downtown. And the valet company that works there is called PMC Parking Management. And so when I park my car, I am an excellent tipper, as always. And I talk to the guys and I say, listen, guys, I'm here for the night. I have to leave at this time. And they're using this retrieve your car with text thing. They get your phone number, QR code.

[Zach]

In the morning, they bring your car around, right?

[Matt Farah]

So I go, is there. You know, I gotta leave really early in the morning. Is there any reason that I might need to notify, you know, call the valet longer than normal? No, it's normal. 10 minutes. 10 minutes? Okay. Okay, fine. Sure. Yeah. 6 o', clock, hit the app. 15 minutes, no problem. Put my shoes on, whatever, Go downstairs, grab a coffee, pour myself a coffee, go outside. It's like six now. 6 10. There's the valet stand. There's nobody at it. They're getting your car in my car?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

6:15, nobody back.

[Zach]

Hmm.

[Matt Farah]

6:16, nobody back. I pull up the thing and it. It's got a Little status bar. And it says request submitted, but it does not say that my car is being retrieved. I go, oh, I go inside and I go to the guy at the front desk and I go, hey, man, is the valet guy outside? Is he getting my car? Cuz, you know, he goes, oh, we got kind of a thing. What's that? He goes, we're sharing a valet guy with the hotel next door, an overnight guy. Okay, Is he getting my car? And he goes, I don't know. And I go, can you find out? So he, who is not in a rush, does what might be insulting, but I think is appropriate to describe as a waddle to the hotel next door and then comes back with a sleepy looking valet guy in a ASU hoodie. And I go, hey, what's up? And he goes. I go, you gonna get my car? He goes. And I go, I'm pointing my phone. I go the fucking. And he like, like, like stumbles to the valet stand and like looks at the thing. He goes, oh yeah, like the phone.

[Zach]

Was in the valet stand.

[Matt Farah]

The phone was in the valley stand. There was nobody there.

[Zach]

Yeah, he didn't have the.

[Matt Farah]

So he goes, all right, this is.

[Zach]

A portable phone, right?

[Matt Farah]

Supportable phone?

[Zach]

Yes. Okay. It's a cell phone. Yeah. Right.

[Matt Farah]

So he then walks away because the garage is not on site. He doesn't run, he walks. Okay, I'm now, I'm now officially late, but I feel like I can make it up. You know, it's a few minutes. I have a 911 and it's very early in the morning. I can, I can make up, that's no problem. And I've given myself an appropriate cushion. I mean, I have to get there. There's, you know, I can't be too late. But like, you know, the whole point of getting up fucking early is to be out of the city before traffic and whatever. I sit down outside of the table and I'm looking at my phone and he's gone, he's gone, he's gone. Five minutes, six minutes. Seven minutes later, he. Nothing. No car. Now I'm up and I'm pacing. I, I've now finished my coffee. That was supposed to be my road coffee.

[Zach]

Yeah, but now, now you don't have a car and you're anxious about being late and you finished.

[Matt Farah]

No, I did. It was, it was decaf. All right? It was decaf. I'm not that.

[Zach]

That's why you're alive.

[Matt Farah]

No, I'm not that stupid. But I was. But I would, believe me at this point. I'm awake.

[Zach]

I know.

[Matt Farah]

And I look up. I'm looking because it's a one way street. And so I'm looking down for the car. Looking down, every time I see xenon headlights, I'm like, there he is. No, there he is. No. What the fuck? Now I look up to my left and the guy standing at the valet stand without my car. And I go, hey, the fuck? And he goes, we need a key. I go, my car key. He goes, no, the key card to get the car out of the lot. And I go, I'm fucking sorry. Did you just tell me that my car is in an off site lot and you don't have the key to get it out of the lot?

[Zach]

It's not at the hotel?

[Matt Farah]

He goes, no, it's not. No. He goes, they're leasing like 20 spaces from some fucking apartment building around the corner. And he goes, I go. I go, hey, what the fuck? And I go inside and I start talking to. I start fucking. Not, not yelling, not literally, and I mean not yelling. And I go, hey. And the guy goes, we're. We're working on it. And I go, you. I. I told three people that I had to be here at 6:15. You fucking imprisoned my car in an off site lot. What, what the fuck are we doing over here?

[Zach]

Terrible system.

[Matt Farah]

I'm like, I'm in the valet business. I never heard any shit like this in my life. And he goes, all right, well we're gonna. He goes, well, maybe what? Can one of you come back over there with me? Because the security guard wouldn't let him out with the car either. He goes, you come back with me. And, and, and I go, jesus fucking Christ. And I grab my luggage.

[Zach]

Right now you have to prove this is your 911.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Which is a press loan car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Which is not registered.

[Matt Farah]

So. So I'm. Now I'm like, let's fucking go, moron. And so now this kid's mark. And I go. And I go. He goes. I go, I can't believe you fucking imprisoned my car right now. When I have to go. He goes, it's not like that. I go, tell me how it's not like that. And we're walking, he's quiet for like few things, like. Yeah, it's like that. It is like that. So now I learn just how far away this lot is. This lot is like six blocks away. It's like, it's like criminally far away. I cannot believe they're running a fucking valet operation from a lot so far. Away. This is crazy shit. So finally, it's now 6:46. I wanted to leave by 6:15. Mind you, this is a hotel in downtown Nashville. Yeah, I'm the only car. This is one. It's now. Now. It's now. Taken me 46 minutes to get or whatever. Yeah, 46 minutes to get one car. Like, what if other people were there and wanted car like that? Two cars would have completely shut down the whole. So we're marching fucking over there. And as we're fucking marching.

[Zach]

Don't say it. No, no.

[Matt Farah]

The other guy who's supposed to come in at seven, the morning guy shows up. Hey, man, what's going on? The kid goes, the desk kid? No, the. So the kid who. The valet kid. The overnight kid was obviously like asleep and a moron and whatever. As soon as he sees the morning guy walking up the block towards the lot, I guess they like check in at the. At the lot, right? He goes, oh, he can help you. And just turns and runs away.

[Zach]

No way.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. Dips. Just full dips back. And the guy's like, what's up?

[Zach]

And I'm like, that guy needs to read extreme ownership.

[Matt Farah]

And I go, I go, I'm sorry. I go, I go, are you here for the 7 o'? Clock? He goes, yeah. I go, you're taking fire. Come on, let's go. And I'm. And as I'm walking him down, he. I'm telling him what's happening. He's just going, oh my God. Just. Oh my God. Oh my God. He's like, for real. Oh my God. I'm so. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. Here's your. Here's your car. And I go, all right, all right. Go up there. And now I'm driving. I'm fucking. So the last guy, finally, who was at work 15 minutes early, mind you, you know, fucking got me in, no fucking thanks to anybody else. So thank you to fucking pmc, fucking parking management, the most epic fucking valet shit show on planet earth. Never ever, ever, ever, ever park your car with these assholes. What a goddamn nightmare. And they sent me a QC survey afterwards, which I filled out accurately two days ago. I have weird. Eat a dick.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Crazy.

[Zach]

That is a comedy of terrible.

[Matt Farah]

I drove 150 miles an hour out of.

[Zach]

Now allegedly close course professional driver.

[Matt Farah]

I did it. Tennessee. I'm gone.

[Zach]

That's. You're going back there like three weeks.

[Matt Farah]

Fighting a different car. That's true. Oh, by the way, they give you a different 911. No, no, no, no, no. Karma swung back the other way because when I got to the Porsche Experience Center, I saw our friend Frank, who's the head of PR for a certain model line in Porsche Cars North America. We were gonna get lunch, ran to some other Porsche people. Hey, man, Everyone come to lunch. So we sit down at lunch, and I'm talking about coming back in November and what car can I borrow? And someone goes, you know, Meredith needs some exercise. Does that sound familiar to you?

[Zach]

Is that the sister car? No, it's.

[Matt Farah]

Meredith is the 918 that's sitting there.

[Zach]

Whoa, cool.

[Matt Farah]

The 20. The long term, like, Porsche Classic Center.

[Zach]

I was thinking of the car that drove to the Summit. The sister car.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, no, no. The off road thing. You can't take that on a road trip. No. They're like, meredith needs some exercise. You want to take that? I was like, what? And they're like, yeah. I was like, I can put like a thousand miles on it. Like, put fucking 4,000 miles on it. Whatever. They're like, it literally needs to be driven. Like. Like you're responsible enough to not be stupid with it. Like, go, like, sick. Okay. Taking that.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Good thing I made it on time.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah. Have you driven a 918 before?

[Matt Farah]

I drove a 918 one time. I've never driven a press car. Not one press car.

[Zach]

When did you drive it?

[Matt Farah]

I drove the one in Dubai.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

For five minutes. Oh, man. That was it.

[Zach]

Well, I got to drive it when we filmed with Harris, and then he had to leave and we had to get more B roll, so I got to drive it, like, in Santa Cruz for hours. Sound acceleration, everything about it is awesome. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So apparently Meredith needs exercise.

[Zach]

Yeah. The only thing the zinger's missing is, like, good V8 rumble. It has its own cool sounds. The 19 makes up for that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Oh, it's sick.

[Matt Farah]

We went down and looked at it sitting. It's sitting dusty in a garage.

[Zach]

It's the silver one. That's the blue one. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

The dark gray one is the other one.

[Zach]

Got it. That's what I drove.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that was the other one that had a different woman's name to it. Yeah. This is the blue one. This is the one that was used at the. As the Delta shuttle.

[Zach]

Oh, like for their press stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. When they were running people doing the VIP stuff.

[Zach]

We only have a certain amount of luggage.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that. So that's.

[Zach]

All right. Well, that worked out. That is karma.

[Matt Farah]

I cannot guarantee this will happen. It's possible. Someone, but. But some pretty high up people were there. They brought it up, and then they, like, doubled down on it. So, like, let's go.

[Zach]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

We also saw some really cool stuff at Porsche Classic center down there. You know, they're doing. I mean, they didn't tell me any customer names or anything, but they're doing full restos on, like, early 2000 stuff now. So, like, there was like five, six Carrera GTs down there. And these restos are like, while you're in theirs, because people are going, you know, instead of just doing the bushings and the tires and the major services, I want you guys to take this thing down to bare whatever and. And I want to envision it as if. Because I wasn't there when it was new. I want so.

[Zach]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Farah]

Changing colors to stuff that are modern colors. They're doing. I saw a couple finished ones that were real cool.

[Zach]

That'll be interesting. I wonder what the value. Value will be like if you change the color. But it's done by Porsche.

[Matt Farah]

Probably less than an original, but more than if someone else. Yeah.

[Zach]

Oh, cool.

[Matt Farah]

Also depends. Like, is the color good? Yeah, you know, is it pretty? Pretty? The one I saw was very pretty. I saw a couple 959s and people were doing some GT3Rs 4.0s, 997s. I saw one that was a full color change that was a color that they never offered in that. And it looked really, really.

[Zach]

That's cool. Yeah, it was very, very cool cgt. That's.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Apparently. Apparently, to do a full resto and color change , really any mid 2000s Porsche, including the CGT, is like 300 to 500,000. So. Which I could see somebody spending. I mean, I really could. I mean, it's crazy. It's a huge amount of money. But, like, I could see somebody going, you know, these analog cars are never coming back. I might as well get this one done the way that I like it. So I can keep it forever.

[Zach]

Yeah. If you were respraying your. If you were, like, restoring your Countach completely from bare everything and you wanted a color change. Not that you probably would.

[Matt Farah]

No, I might.

[Zach]

You could do that.

[Matt Farah]

I'm not particularly attached to red. I think my car is handsome, but I didn't buy it because it was red.

[Zach]

Also, the color blindness. You might change the color to something.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, there are other colors I would prefer to red. Did you ever see the silver one? Looks incredible. I mean, silver was beautiful. Some of the light blues are unbelievable. There's a green one that's ridiculously pretty. There's other colors I like better than red for sure, but I'm happy with red.

[Zach]

So one day you'll be at Lamborghini Classic.

[Matt Farah]

No, I told. We told you about that at pebble, right? They do. They're doing the classy Shea equivalent or whatever it's called. So anyway, this is gonna be a great fucking trip down the down. We could probably get a tour of Classic center also while we're there for this trip. Experiences, dot road and track dot com, if you would like to sign up. And there's like two or three spots actually left from. I don't know why this one didn't sell out, but Seaside to Sierra is in two weeks. It's the 23rd to the 28th. Sorry, I don't my. I have a calendar for a reason.

[Zach]

I gotta pull that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we have a couple spots left in that one. That's. That shit is gonna be sick. Sonoma Montage Hotels. Grass Valley, Ritz Carlton, Lake Tahoe. The roads are amazing. That shit's gonna be fire as hell. Come drive with me. Go sign up and it's gonna be really fun. I don't know why that one hasn't sold out. That makes absolutely no sense. Sense to me. It's like the best hotels we've ever done. What else you got?

[Zach]

Two something. Two quick things.

[Matt Farah]

What you got?

[Zach]

I had some BMW victories this weekend.

[Matt Farah]

Celebrate.

[Zach]

Celebrate indeed. There were two things. I had two projects to do because, of course, I did new coil packs. And again. Well, I did them like five years ago.

[Matt Farah]

Was it that long ago?

[Zach]

It was now, after I ordered them. I always throw parts at things before researching. It's like, you can do these every 80,000 miles. I probably did them after 50, but it had, like a little stumble now and then. And I also changed the plugs. Probably could have just changed the plugs because two of them looked a little bit scuzzy. But that all went fine. That's why this is all victorious. Okay, that went fine.

[Matt Farah]

Congratulations.

[Zach]

Listen to Killer Mike's new podcast, Shout Out. And it was just like, got it done in an hour. And then my doors have both been misaligned by like a mil and a half. When I close them, they don't sit flush.

[Matt Farah]

Since the rack.

[Zach]

Since after that. Like, they hung the doors fine, but it's almost like they got the interior. Oh, I think. No, they didn't take them out.

[Matt Farah]

Maybe you just have to re. Maybe weren't retight.

[Zach]

Well, what it was is I went, I looked up how to do this and it was like, there's two ways to do it. One is very invasive if you have to. If you mess with the hinge, you're having a bad day or Zach's having a bad day. But if it's just the latch where it grabs in the back near the B pillar, that's easy. It's just two torques and they're on sliders. So I prayed to the BMW gods and my torques were like hand tight, they'd back themselves out.

[Matt Farah]

Oh.

[Zach]

So I just pushed them in. Tighten. Closed door sits flush. Victory.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, there we go.

[Zach]

And what's funny, Sarah's with me in the garage. So I go over there and she goes, what are we doing? I say we're adjusting the doors. And she goes, so we're going to adjust something that functions correctly. And I was like, listen, yes, that's what we're doing.

[Matt Farah]

Our versions of correct are not the same. Right.

[Zach]

But also she knows that. She has watched me plenty of times try to fix something and it turns into a two day project. So this was five minutes. And I also fixed my stereo, which had been turning itself off. And I pulled the stereo out, which you saw for about two months. It looked like it had been stolen. And because I was getting around to it and I noticed that when I was putting the harness together, a red wire was just getting pushed out of the harness. So that's probably. That's the hot wire, I'm guessing, and that's why it's not working. So I had to like take the pin out and bend it. I felt very handy. It was just. I've never done that before. So I felt smart, but it wasn't difficult. And had there been any sort of anomaly or had that gone awry and had a variable I didn't plan for, I'd be.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, sure.

[Zach]

So.

[Matt Farah]

But it's okay.

[Zach]

Now, my stereo, you got from point.

[Matt Farah]

A to point B without having to do the rest of the Alphabet.

[Zach]

Exactly. Because there's so many pins. I would have had to like measure and voltage meter and. No.

[Matt Farah]

So congratulations.

[Zach]

Good solid weekend.

[Matt Farah]

Good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The.

[Zach]

Oh, I don't want to.

[Matt Farah]

We should talk about Vanquish once the video is up.

[Zach]

Probably.

[Matt Farah]

Huh?

[Zach]

Oh, we have a bunch of questions. We're at an hour now.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, okay, great. Let's get to them. Let's talk to the people. Patreon.com the Smokintirepodcast. The people who have paid. I mean, that's what I'M talking about gatekeeping. Gatekeeping. Commenting, actually. It's a good system to be honest with you. Get the show early, get the show extra. Get the show live. Get the show. What else supports that? Get the show early, live, extra. And without ads. There we go. That works. Okay. And of course, ask us questions and holy shit, Blurple has a lot of words, but let's get to the highlighted bit. Thank you. Zach, if you were involved in a bike on car incident that wasn't too serious, what are some good snarky responses you would use? I have gotten on a bike. My very first couple weeks riding. I had a bike on. I was riding in the wrong lane and someone opened a door on me and I dropped the bike. Yeah, it was not great. And here's my snarky response.

[Zach]

Did you hit the door?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Oh, shit.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach]

Ow.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it wasn't great. Do you have a snarky response like, oh, that's a cheeky bugger there? I don't know. A snarky response to getting hit by a car?

[Zach]

Well, I am a 70 year old carpet salesman from Britain. I'd be like jumping in front of.

[Matt Farah]

Me eight lives left.

[Zach]

I don't. I don't know. It happened. It has to happen in the moment. How mad am I? Just a cheeky response. Driving's hard. Assuming it was blind separate. Charles. I don't. Yeah, well, this person said they got cut off in a roundabout. Yeah, I think fuck you is pretty appropriate. I like that one.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I've got kids if I don't.

[Zach]

I shot a dirty look. I was crossing the street and someone came in hot. They didn't see the red arrow and they kind of jumped on the brakes late and I gave a very angry stare. And then I noticed that the windshield was tinted so dark I could not see this person as were all the other windows. And I was like, I might be starting a fight with someone. Probably should start a fight with.

[Matt Farah]

I got you ever. You ever do that and then feel bad the other way? Hannah almost got T boned in the fucking Bentley with me in it in Playa Vista. And I fucking was like, started to like scream at the person. And then we realized he was like 10,000 years old, he should not have been driving. But this person barely had any idea where they were. You say Isuzu amigo. I say mysterious utility wizard. Yes, you do. Bucket list of obtainable show guests that just maybe haven't had the stars aligned to get on the show. Bucket list and obtainable darn in the Same place. I mean, there's a whole bunch of people that just don't live in la. And the open invite is out. You know, Garrett Cletus is one. People from England have. Have open invitations.

[Zach]

Jethro hasn't been on in a while.

[Matt Farah]

Jethro hasn't been here. Been here in a while. I mean.

[Zach]

Oh, I mean, Harry Metcalf would be awesome. Of course, all the top. Your guys. Except for James May.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Because he's been here.

[Zach]

Santino or Mark Norman, because they both like cars and they're comedians. They'd be super fun.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I've. And I've hung out with Mark a bunch.

[Zach]

BMW guy.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And skateboarder.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Pastrana. I know. I would ask him the same questions every journalist has, but I still want to.

[Matt Farah]

Pastrana would be fun. Yeah. All the people that I want to have on are like. Are probably not in the car world. Like, I'd want to have like. Like chefs and comics and stuff like that, but that wouldn't make for a good.

[Zach]

That's okay. They asked for the star. Famous obtainable guests.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know about two clutches. One shift asks about the Fort Collins Countach Heights. There was a guy in Fort Collins that restores Countaches. Did he get jacked?

[Zach]

Four weeks ago, they got jacked.

[Matt Farah]

Do you have the other story handy?

[Zach]

I do.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I. I've. If this is the guy I'm thinking of. I've talked to this guy before. Oh, fucking Facebook. It's. Oh. Oh. This was a. Just an individual's car. No, I mean, that's terrible. But our Countach was stolen from Fort Collins. This is a 1988 and a half in red gold like mine. Probably the same red gold with what looks like a black interior. And it does have the side skirts and it has a wing and it looks to have a European front and possibly Europe. Oh, no. It has the black US Rear bumpers. That's a bummer. Too bad. I did not. I haven't heard about this other than what is on this one post right now. Yeah, man, that's. I'll tell you what, you can't hide one of those locally.

[Zach]

No.

[Matt Farah]

If you're gonna. If that. If that car is. That car is on a boat, it's.

[Zach]

Gotta be on a truck and then on a boat and. Yeah. You can't drive it around golden, you know, or, I don't know, other parts of Colorado.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Oh, man, that shit's probably going to the Middle east or fucking Russia or something, you know. That sucks. Hope you got good insurance, I hope you got agreed value insurance. You get paid out. Lamborghini panel wagon says if. Wait, okay, wait. If you. If you had to compromise and do you understand this question?

[Zach]

Yeah. If you take a car with a good driving position, if you had to compromise one aspect of a good driving position, what do you choose? Do you choose bad pedals, pedal placement, bad steering wheel placement?

[Matt Farah]

Got it, got it, got it. Not seeing the gauges. If every. If I can get everything else where I need it, but part of the gauges are blocked. I'll work around.

[Zach]

That's the easiest one to work around. Yeah, I agree.

[Matt Farah]

Right?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Is there another one that you would.

[Zach]

Say, I feel like we deal more with bad steering wheel placement than pedals, but I think I would invert that. I think I'd rather have perfect steering wheel placement and just okay pedals.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we'll have to look at that one. All wheel. An all wheel drive bias says a friend is selling a 200,000 mile B6S4 with the 4.2 manual wagon for 6,000 bucks. What do you think of these? Why is this car not a good idea to get as a 28 year old? Okay. I had one of these when they were new and they are at least when they were new. They were awesome. They drove great. They weren't like rock stars on the track, but the engine sounded awesome. They felt really tight and nice and it was fun on the highway, fun in back roads and generally a really good car. Now 200,000 miles, this is not the car.

[Zach]

I don't think that's close.

[Matt Farah]

It's the same.

[Zach]

Wow. This has 140,000 miles. This sold on cars and bids for seven grand.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So this one has 200,000 miles.

[Zach]

Well, the good thing is all drive biases. You can probably talk this person down because this car on cars and bids had 60,000 fewer miles on the clock and sold for $6,800. So you should offer four.

[Matt Farah]

So this car has the timing chain guides. Issue those, they're made of plastic, they can be really expensive to fix and if they go, you're completely fucked. So most people, that's where they lose them on these cars. So it depends on the maintenance history as well as the current condition of the car. I wouldn't buy this car in order to count on it as an everyday car. But for 6k, if it's in decent looking cosmetic shape as a project car or fuck around car. Not the worst. All for five. It's a wagon, it's manual sound really Good.

[Zach]

Amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I was looking. Christian says I was looking at your podcast views and noticed the episode Matt answers your questions had 156,000 views. Would you ever just do a question show? It seems to do well. I feel like we do so many questions. I don't. Is that a thing that people want. Want. Do they really want a car, an all questions show?

[Zach]

Or is that the title, which was Matt answers your questions and maybe the title was super engaging. But now we. We do answer questions.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, I'm pretty sure that like that was maybe like the first ever solo show I did when you weren't around. I think I did it from like a webcam at my home. During my home. I don't. I never talk like that at my house during. During COVID I think that.

[Zach]

So that was four years ago. TST 580. So literally half the show ago.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean that was probably the first time I ever did that. Is the answer to why that did so well.

[Zach]

I think that was pre Patreon also.

[Matt Farah]

Yes.

[Zach]

So. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So I mean it. The answer is it did so well. It's now just a part of the regular show.

[Zach]

If we do it. Actually if we do a show that's just manager's questions, then there's no reason for people to have paid for Patreon. Yeah. And then I have to get a different job.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. In a Boxster to the left. I work at a porsche dealer. I'm 23 years old. I'm in sales and I hit a huge milestone last month. I want to get a new watch. There you go. This is all right. These are all good things. That could have been me. I was offered to be a Porsche dealer in Jersey out of college and this could have been me. Could have been buying my first Rollie because I had a big year slanging base Carreras. I've been on the list for a Rolex Explorer 36 as well as the Oyster Perpetuals. My first and only nice watch for the next five years. I'm leaning towards the Explorer as the ad called and said he'd have one next month. Thoughts and other suggestions. I mean, look, you seem to already know what you want. Functionally, an Explorer and an Oyster Perpetual are the same watch. I mean, they look slightly different, but you're talking about steel watches with essentially the same bracelets, essentially the same diameters, and very similar dials. The Explorer has some numbers on it. The ops just have sticks. But. But you're talking about literal shades of gray on. On what is Effectively the same watch. So I don't want to talk you out of this watch. You seem to be into it. And if you wanted to only rock one watch for five years, these are excellent choices if you want other options. I mean, you know, if you like the style of this watch, the Omega Aqua Terra line is very nice and a little less expensive. There's the new iwc. Ingenieur is very nice. You probably saw Brad Pitt wearing that shit in the new F1 movie. Those are very cool. And. And there's for. Going for. For almost any. It just. It's gonna be. It's such a. It's such a personal thing. I mean, you're talking about a steel. Steel. Steel case, steel bezels, you know, steel bracelet. Bracelet, essentially diver light. Right. And almost every watchmaker makes something like that. So it's just. Which specific one do you want? Now you're coming up slanging Porsches. My guess is you want a Rolex because a Rolex specifically says something about you that an Omega or an IWC or whatever doesn't say. And that's okay. That's okay. And if you like the Explorer and the ad will get you the one you want in a reasonable period of time. Get that. Just get that. You seem to be on the way to that anyway. Dre from Houston. What up? I see the values of 992.1 is stabilizing and trending upward. My guess is simple economics due to the rising cost of 992.2. Would that be an accurate guess? Tariffs, habibi tariffs. All new Porsches are expensive as fuck. If it's on the ground and available today, it is immediately worth a few points more. But also, they've raised the. They've raised the prices of the dot 2s also. But then you have tariffs, so.

[Zach]

This is a Reddit post from two months ago. Porsche will no longer be absorbing the 25% tariff on customer customer ordered cars. Instead, it will pass off 3.6% to customers.

[Matt Farah]

So that too. So my guess is, you know, cars on the ground, any car on the ground that's a nice car is probably 2% more valuable.

[Zach]

Right?

[Matt Farah]

You know, a sign language interpreter at a Pearl Jam concert. That's all right. Best AMG for 90K08 Black Series 2018AMG GT 2023 C63AMG.

[Zach]

They're very. Well, I mean, they're kind of different. Like the AMG GT is a fantastic vehicle, but you really want the gtc, right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Or at least.

[Zach]

At least that's the only reason I wouldn't go with that one.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

It's also. I mean it's a great sports car. The other cars have a little bit more. Well the C63 has a little more space. It's a little more usable.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean here's the difference. The difference is the 08 is now an old collectible car which is fine. The other two are not the 2023. You buy that and just use it as your car.

[Zach]

Yeah. And you're going to lose and you lose money percentage that will go down. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You know the AMG GT is sort of in between. I think think it's, it's a lovely car, but I don't know if it's at the bottom of its depreciation curve. And it's the least. It's, it's, it's a nice car. But you definitely want an S or a C which is probably out of your budget by a little bit different. And the other one is like the Black series is cool but not all that interesting to drive because it's at that old slush box vibe.

[Zach]

But it's rare manual swap it.

[Matt Farah]

That's, that's a different story.

[Zach]

You're talking.

[Matt Farah]

That's a different story. I saw that one thing that he's asking about, but I really don't understand. The one pothole in the FDR drive says. Okay. Well, okay. Another watch question. One of my best friends is getting married and wants to get the groomsmen a watch. $500 is the upper limit on cost. I suggested a Seiko 5 or similar. Any suggestions around that price for three groomsman. So two ways to go. One is you can actually get them the nicest watch that $500 will buy. In my opinion it's probably a Seiko variant or if you can find like a micro brand that is doing something cool that you're into. There are some really interesting micro brands. If you go is the Intersect L if the Intersect LA website is still active because that event is over. Like is that website still up?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So if you, if you go to the Intersect LA watch show website scroll down or there the list of brands. So I would literally go through this entire list of brands. Now I don't know where the $500 line is but all, almost all of the watches on this list list are in the sub thousand dollar range. And so you might find something that is interesting and aesthetically different and cool. That's not just a Seiko. Now a Seiko is something that will last forever. But Most of these are really nicely made watches that where you might find something really interesting. So. So I would also take a look at some micro brands. Bad Gardener. Were there ever any stories that came out of remarkable cars that were lost in the Malibu fires? No, I think most the people that I know that had nice cars there were able to get them out. A customer of mine lost a Lamborghini. There was the famous Porsche that's still sitting on PCH, the 997. I'm sure other cars.

[Zach]

I'm sure there were, but I just didn't see any articles about it.

[Matt Farah]

The Roger Farah podcast. Pretty funny. Oh man. More watches.

[Zach]

This might line up similar.

[Matt Farah]

Pretty much lines up with that. Pretty much lines up with the last question. Sorry. There we go. PCAR photos. Have you seen the new lightweight carbon fiber wiper arms on the new turbo s at $1300. That's hilarious. And on brand for Porsche, if it really is a full carbon wiper arm, 1300 bucks is. I mean I wouldn't get it, but it's not the most ridiculous thing I've seen on a Porsche.

[Zach]

These look like full carbon situations or is it just a carbon cover?

[Matt Farah]

Oh, those are fucking rad. Those look way cool, right? Those look way cooler than regular windshield wipers.

[Zach]

Well, regular windshield wipers now are ubiquitous and they just look like windshield wipers. Yeah, they have no. They have no flair. These have flair. There's some.

[Matt Farah]

You could hide $1300 in a 911 in a place that nobody would ever see it.

[Zach]

Or ironically, not hidden at all because it's on the windshield and.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, but I'm saying I know like alternatively.

[Zach]

Oh, right. You could spend that money on something no one notices.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I bet you. I bet you a embossed Porsche crest on your armrest rest is 13.

[Zach]

When I drove that 911T, the white one in in Tennessee, the seat back was like a dark blue and that cost a bunch of money and like you do not need that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, the. I bet people would ask you about your carbon fiber wipers. Maybe.

[Zach]

But it also seems like something that will be copied by ebay very soon. By salespeople on ebay.

[Matt Farah]

Sure. So yeah, get them now before ebay finds out.

[Zach]

Like, it won't be long before someone in like a 350Z pulls up and they go, I got the same one.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's really funny. Lord of the Ringlands says I'm inheriting a 2012 X5. It'll be my fourth car and fifth vehicle questioning if it's Time to pare down as a man with, with money, but also infinite car storage. Oh, he's talking about me.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I. First off, I have some money, but not all the money and I don't have infinite car storage. That isn't true. True. I have a big fucking building. But I also have a very smart father and my very smart father has done a very good job of reminding me that every car I put in one of these buildings costs me like $12,000 a year. Like so my car storage is maybe infinitely available, but it is not infinitely free. It does come out of my money. It's not like, like, you know who gets free car storage? Zach. Zach has free cars and I don't.

[Zach]

Have one car of it.

[Matt Farah]

But like, you know, like fucking Vinnie gets free car storage. I don't get free car storage. It comes out one way or the other.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Having said that, like yes, I could theoretically accumulate a lot of cars. When you do have call it enough money and when you do have call it enough space, what you run out of is tonight time. At a certain point you have so many cars that driving them feels annoying and like a chore because I have more cars than I have places to go. And like I also have press cars. So like that's where the line is drawn. It's not at space or money. I could keep buying cars if I wanted to, but.

[Zach]

And then you have to manage the cars. Maintenance, insurance, registration. But really for me it's like maintenance stuff. So if you had 20 cars that were not brand new, all of them are going to need something constantly.

[Matt Farah]

I'm not into wrenching and you know, whatever. Oh yeah, is, can you, is that real? Can you check that link? Did they do something since we saw.

[Zach]

No, no. The link is I think to tell this person where our discrepancy was from. So the question is ssc, SSE or sorry. Guinness says that SSC has a record of 316mph. Why did we in our review say it had a top speed of 295? Well, and the link I have is from SSC and they also say 295. I think the Guinness link is the old information from when SSC ran because.

[Matt Farah]

It was a two way average of that. Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

And Guinness was there.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And I think the Guinness website needs to be updated.

[Matt Farah]

That sounds discrepancy. Yeah. Whoops. No. And 295 was not the two way average. That was a one way. They did a two way average of 282 before that. But something happened and they didn't have enough time or whatever to do the second run.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Whatever it was. Picked up a nail in their tire or something. I forget.

[Zach]

When we were filming it with them, they told like, look, the top speed we have ran is 2951- Direction.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

If it was 3:13, Jared would have said that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

That's what I wanted to clear up.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, boy. Acabo. Fibar, I think is your name. What car company has the deepest nerd culture?

[Zach]

I feel like we get in trouble answering this question. It's like, how do we. I feel like we're insulting nerds and other car companies.

[Matt Farah]

I have to say, like pre. Like not car company, but like pre war brass era shit. When you're going. When you're at the Lawn in Pebble beach and you're listening to these judges talk about these cars and what is correct and not correct to know this random. And I go, I can't get anywhere close to this level of obsession and knowledge. It's that concourse judge when they know.

[Zach]

The color that the gloves should be that are in the trunk on top of a toolkit. And they go, those are the wrong. That's the wrong brown.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. This bit is supposed to be marked with yellow chalk. You have light green chalk here. You know, that kind of stuff. Granny shift and not double clutching like you should. I've had my dream car, an Audi R8 V10, for almost five years. That is a great car. I have no complaints about it. But I fear I may be reaching the point of wanting something else. The problem is it feels like I would be getting something else just for the sake of getting something else. Do not convince yourself that having those thoughts is wrong. Cars are about experiences, not about. I mean, it's okay to make a bond with a car and keep it for the rest of your life. It's also totally okay to go. I feel like having a different experience right now.

[Zach]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

And moving on. Contemplating 991.2 GT3. But it doesn't seem like it would appeal to me any more than my current car. It might even appeal to me less, but I can't be sure unless I had a go in it first. I have a suggestion. Viva Las Vegas. Go to Dream Racing in Las Vegas. Bring your credit card and run laps in a. You can drive fucking 20 different cars right at that place. Pretty hard. They'll let you go. I mean, it's. You know, you haven't. They have instructors. I don't need to be a complete Asshole. But you can go and for a couple of hundred bucks, you can push a GT3 pretty hard. You can push a Ferrari pretty hard. You can push a bunch of stuff. Not doing a commercial for them. But like, that's what I would do. I would see if any other kind of experience does appeal to you. Maybe you want a front engine Corvette ZR1. Maybe you want a fucking Viper, you know.

[Zach]

And I think when you're shopping at that level, that price point point, doing research, like actual seat time research is absolutely worth it because the investment you're going to make is pretty significant. You want to be this person sounds like they're really worried about being happy with a change. So go test it.

[Matt Farah]

You know, there is. Yeah. I mean, yeah, if you're. If you've got a hundred grand, 100, 150 grand, whatever real money to spend on a car. Spending a couple of hundred to learn ahead of time. Oh, I really love this. Or oh, I really am not into this. Is money very well spent at least it's at least as well spent as getting a PPI and not buying a bad car that has problems, you know. Did scroll back up. Is that it? Did we end up scrolling down? Okay, that one Chevy Beretta in the Beretta factory. There's two of them. Of them. With the new Testarossa being announced, what storied exotic nameplate should return and in what form? Okay. Did you see the new this is dish on this for a second? Did you see the Testarossa's act? Did you happen to look at it? Did your reaction is similar to mine? I almost thought it was like April Fool's Day a little bit. I have to say the photos.

[Zach]

Are.

[Matt Farah]

Interesting.

[Zach]

It seems like I shared some messages with a colleague of ours that I won't repeat here. But it feels like they've taken elements from both the SP3.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And the new F80.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Which I think in a strange way, like at one glance devalues those cars. But then when you look longer, you go, actually the SP3 did these certain attributes better.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So it looks good. That's when it's done well. And I think the Testarossa with like the back end, especially the lips in the front, looks really strange. The front, to me, the front is very strange. I feel like they took the second, my second least favorite part of the Roma, the first being the grill. Grill. But the, the Roma had like the duck lip that just stuck out.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And I was like, for me, it just made the shape of an otherwise Smooth car that kind of turned into the Cylindry, which is great, and it ruined it. And I think this has these weird, like, painted canards jutting out the front. I don't get it.

[Matt Farah]

I, I, I, I, I will. Maybe it's better in person, but it seems like they've put the 12 cylindric. Oh, yeah, there we go. I have to say, I think this looks really strange. They've just, like, put bits of other cars together in, I don't know, kind of a haphazard way.

[Zach]

Yeah. Like, the Canopy looks like 296, which is fine, but then this rear, you know, the haunch thing above the rear wheel, like, gets angular here, but then rounded and kicks up with a weird ducktail like the SP3. But it's not as good as the SB3. Just like the shape of this front splitter.

[Matt Farah]

Whatever is happening at that side intake behind the, behind the passenger compartment, I don't like that at all.

[Zach]

I think you have two intakes. It looks like this. There's a slim intake that probably directs air to one place. And then this one maybe goes to, like, radi. So this, this might be air intake to the engine and the lower one is radiator. But I agree with you. It's just, it's, it's very busy.

[Matt Farah]

Looks weird.

[Zach]

And my, my favorite Ferrari designs are always the really clean ones. And I like. 296 is clean. I think cylindrical is pretty clean. And this is just looks like a bunch of stuff.

[Matt Farah]

It looks like a camouflaged prototype that still has the cladding on it.

[Zach]

It's crazy. It is.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think so.

[Zach]

No, it's like this, it's just, it's.

[Matt Farah]

Busy in not a great way. Yeah, I mean, maybe it will drive, like, amazing, but it's probably will.

[Zach]

It probably will drive amazing, but I.

[Matt Farah]

Think a lot going.

[Zach]

Everything drives amazing. And honestly, when the use when a car that's 2 years old from Ferrari is as fast as you could want a car to be and drives phenomenal. And the only thing we don't like about, about a 296 is haptic buttons. You don't have to go with the newest thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. Maybe it'll be different in person, but I really think it's awkward. I think the right word for me is awkward. It's not elegant. It does not. They've thrown away the, like, curves like a woman kind of thing. Jacking off the record, excellent. If the new TT concept were instead Jaguar's new F type with a similar design Would it receive the same amount of, of praise? Well, I think the TT does have the new TT concept which is called like C or something like that type or something like that. It wasn't called that Concept C or something. I thought it looked pretty cool. I'm into it.

[Zach]

Zero concept.

[Matt Farah]

No, no. The new tt, it was not called new tt. It just like people have been saying tt but it's actually called something else. I, I like this new car. I think it looks pretty cool. I think it has a, has elements that I've liked from other things they've done in the past. Is it called tt? Maybe it is concept C. Concept C, that's what it is. This front head on angle is sort of my least favorite angle. But it's got a little Bugatti in there.

[Zach]

Definitely.

[Matt Farah]

Which is cool.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The side profile is great. The rear is cool. I'm not totally sold on deleting rear windows entirely but the other, the rest of it I'm, I'm, I'm kind of into.

[Zach]

Oh, do you see what Mercedes people were. The Mercedes boss was talking about the interior. He's like it looks like it was designed in 1995.

[Matt Farah]

It. Well, he's not entirely wrong but Mercedes has, has busy ass disco interiors right now.

[Zach]

Very true.

[Matt Farah]

And tts were always very simple interiors which I like. The convertible is very good.

[Zach]

Proportions look good.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Top down view shows a lot of that. I mean that's kind of nice. What else do we have?

[Matt Farah]

I like the side profile very much. I think it's a very handsome car.

[Zach]

Yeah. It is funny from the side it looks like you could put that Jaguar thing like right over it and it's real close.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

All right.

[Matt Farah]

But the proportions aren't as exaggerated on this.

[Zach]

Correct.

[Matt Farah]

The Jaguar is like a dunker fort purport.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

This has much more normal car.

[Zach]

I've never heard that name in a long time, but yeah, I saw one at Pebble. We are just all hood.

[Matt Farah]

Tim A says, is there room in the Porsche lineup for the return of the base GT2911 meaning non RS? I don't think so. I mean I, I think that's the, the Turbo S is so fast that Porsche, Porsche thinks that most people who want that much power should have the all wheel drive drive.

[Zach]

Yeah. And I think if you want that much power without all wheel drive they can go GT2Rs because they know that you're a psychopath.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I'm intrigued how the Lambo Temerario can have a 10,000rpm red line despite twin turbos. We just drove a car with an 11,000rpm red line despite twin turbos. Would a twin turbo stick shift, rear wheel drive 911 with hybrid turbos be compelling if it could preserve a high red light. They can't make this, any of this hybrid shit work with stick shifts. I mean, yes, the hybrid turbos like would be awesome if you could have them. The E motor in the turbos to have spool at, you know, zero effectively but it's not really necessary in the manual. I don't think people are like seeking that with the manuals. I think with people, the people who are buying the manuals want it to be like pretty simple. They didn't even want seventh gear.

[Zach]

I like the build of the turbo. When we drove the, the flat 6 1, the 911T, having the build was exciting and fun and if you reduce that by with having electric help. Yeah then I feel like, well, I'm optimizing the engine for maximum speed but why don't I just maximize the transmission also? And like it's plenty fun with pdk so maybe they'll do it as a special edition. It seems like a small Market.

[Matt Farah]

Seal Team 6 speed manual says you've talked a lot about having cars with whimsy. The Manx, the wife's JDM cars, etc. What new car can you buy today that has the Most whimsy under 100k? A Manx. A Volkswagen Manx. Like you could get one of those for 75 or 80 and a really.

[Zach]

Nice one, a used Caterham. Actually a new caterer might be cheap if you had a small engine. Whimsy is super subjective though. That's the thing. It's like what. What is whimsical to one person is not to the other person. But I think it's so for me it's. I'm not going for objective maximum speed or anything. I'm going like a Morgan is pretty whimsical. That's a good answer. I don't know if that's under 100 though.

[Matt Farah]

ID buzz.

[Zach]

Oh yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The ID buzz is a vibe for sure. Objectively it's just a whatever ev, but it feels a. It's. It's a very happy place to spend your time. Even if. Even if you're not really caring people all the time and be the view. Like, like the fucking dude. Like the Koenigsegg. Like the zinger. The view forward in the ID buzz feels like driving a fucking monorail. It's the Windshield is upright and far as away. It's a. It's a really weird different driving experience. Like it's the most. I think that is the most whimsical normal car you can buy right now. Yeah. I.D. buzz. For sure. One more and then. And then we're going home. We'll keep the next ones for the. Keep the next ones for the next ones. Zach's backseat buzz ball. Someone brought a buzz ball to our party.

[Zach]

Really?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

They're gross.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I imagine they were.

[Zach]

And they sell them in huge quantities, which is extra gross.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Okay. Oh. In the spirit of the week scouting trip, what's the ideal two car solution for four people to go on a golf and driving trip in the Smokies, Nor no Corvettes. We have to carry golf bags and weekend bags. Well, a couple of options. Someone can bring a wagon. Someone could bring an M5 wagon or an RS6 or a Panamera Sport Turismo and have outsized influence on the luggage. And then the other group can be have a sports car car. This of course is pending like availability of car.

[Zach]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

But what is the best car you could buy for Smoky Mountains that will hold two sets of golf clubs and two, you know, weekend duffel bags? So you're talking about a GT car.

[Zach]

I think you're talking about. Yeah. Two GT or two sedans maybe.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

But golf bags are big, right?

[Matt Farah]

Golf bags are big.

[Zach]

You need. You need a wagon with fold down seats for one car. For sure. Sure.

[Matt Farah]

No, there's some. There's like my Acura NSX for instance, would fit two golf bags and two duffel bags in the trunk. 100%.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Absolutely would. So that an 05 NSX could totally be it.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Lots of luggage space there. Most Astons on the other hand, other than the dbx, can't fit golf clubs effectively in the trunk. Bentley's Bentley Bentayga, that you don't even need two cars. One person.

[Zach]

Yeah. But then you have to drive that in the Smoky Mountains and that's a waste. I think the worst. It's not the most agile thing in the world. I would want something like CTSV would be sick.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

CT5 Black Wing has a truck. You could definitely carry the duffel ball. The duffel bags.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. That's a big trunk.

[Zach]

The seats fall in that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But you could put golf bags in that too. Not four, but certainly two.

[Zach]

Two and two. Yeah, that's a good one.

[Matt Farah]

One black wings are superb.

[Zach]

A C63 would be a good one.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, a dark A dark horse. You could you actually. They got a weird shaped trunk now, don't they?

[Zach]

I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

Don't the mustangs have a weird shaped trunk now? Hellcat Durango. That might be kind of fun.

[Zach]

That would be a good time.

[Matt Farah]

M3s, you know, M5 touring would be all right.

[Zach]

Jeep Grand Cherokee track. What's it called?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, Panamera Turbo SE Hybrid.

[Zach]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Thanks, everybody. That's a fun show, man. Kind of really did 30 minutes on Zinger, didn't we? Didn't think I was going to do that. Thank you to our patrons for asking such good questions. Of course. Someone asked what the best way is to support the show. They were asking about where to watch the videos, this and that. The where you watch the videos, what app you use to download the podcast, whether you get it, video, YouTube or the audio feed, it doesn't matter to us. We're happy for you to listen at all. We don't care what method you use to listen to the show. And all the numbers get added together anyway. So it doesn't really matter. If you are literally better than buying any single product, better than any using any sponsor, better than any particular method of watching. If you are a patron at really any dollar amount, I mean really pretty much any dollar amount, you are. Are doing more to support us than you would be than in virtually any other way. I would say buying for the people who bought all five notice watches. I think those people, those 11 people supported us by far the most because that's a significant amount of money spent on those.

[Zach]

Very true. But we truly appreciate any amount.

[Matt Farah]

But we do. Yeah. No, like any. Even the basic, the lowest tier you're doing, it's. It's probably. You're probably somewhere between 1,000 and 5,000 times more valuable than any other regular viewer at that level. Like your, Your, your direct transfer of those $3 makes you a multi thousand x more valuable than any regular other viewer where we get like a third of a penny a week or something.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

So that's what I'm just trying to say. We appreciate you. It's because people regularly do ask best way. Being a patron is by far the best way. Anything else. We just appreciate you being there and that's cool too.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

We're happy to have that. We need. We need to have some numbers on the show with the ads also. They're not totally irrelevant either. They're all right. We appreciate them. All right. Thank you to Zinger for letting us have a go. That was. That was a fucking morning, and the rest of y' all will see you later this week. I just had an ant on our coaster, and thank you for listening. That's the Spoken Tire podcast. Bye.