Ferdi Porsche wants everyone to go racing

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast — "Ferdi Porsche Wants Everyone to Go Racing"

Date: October 14, 2025
Hosts: Matt Farah & Zack Klapman
Guest: Ferdy Porsche (Founder, FAT International; Great-grandson of Ferdinand Porsche)

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Episode Overview

This episode features an in-studio conversation with Ferdy Porsche, great-grandson of Ferdinand Porsche and founder of FAT International. The discussion centers on making motorsports more accessible through the FAT Karting League, bringing the legendary Ice Race event to Montana, and Ferdy's background in architecture and automotive culture. The hosts also delve into Porsche brand heritage, the democratization of racing, and the vibrant crossover between automotive history, design, and modern enthusiasm.

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Main Topics & Key Segments

1. Background: Ferdy Porsche, Family, and Architecture

• [02:04] Ferdy discusses his upbringing in Munich with a mother in film and a father connected to Stuttgart and Salzburg. He shares his decision to study architecture in Vienna to, as he puts it, “have my own thing… If you come from my family, it’s kind of easy to be caught in a sense.” (08:19 – Ferdy)
• Work spans car-related projects (garages, cafes atop Austrian mountains, redesigning Italy’s famous Autogrill). Architecture is a means to blend hard skills and optimism with automotive passion.

2. FAT International: Concept, Brand, and Activities

• [12:21] Matt probes what FAT International actually does, beyond the eye-catching merchandise and cars.
• [12:49] Ice racing was the founding project—revived as a modern festival in Austria, aiming for fun over speed and drawing younger, more diverse audiences.
• [30:42] FAT’s branding pays homage to the historic Le Mans “FAT International” Porsche team, reusing the defunct shipping company’s name for its layers of history, underdog roots, and street style:

  “It stands for Fashion-Transport... I figured maybe I could find something with heritage that doesn’t exist anymore that you could kind of bring back and revive.” —Ferdy Porsche [32:13]

3. Ice Racing: Culture, Expansion, and Montana Event

• [13:20] The allure of ice racing: beautiful photography, silly fun (towing skiers behind Porsches), and attracting non-car folks.
• [21:01] Ferdy shares news: FAT International is bringing their famous ice race to Montana, USA, next year, introducing American audiences to this unique motorsport.
• [34:31] Public can buy tickets or apply to enter (“We haven’t decided yet who the 50 or 60 lucky people are that are driving.”) [34:31]
• Mix of party/heritage/innovation; plans to feature wild cars ("last time we had a GT1 on the ice" – [68:33]), and encourage participation from both enthusiasts and spectators.

4. Porsche Heritage, Family Life, and Community

• [36:15] Discussion of family expectations and perks:

  “It’s getting more awesome the older you become… When you’re 16, you just want to fit in… but the upside is you can drive really cool cars.” —Ferdy Porsche [36:15]

• Strong sense of pride in maintaining family connection to the brand, though there is less “factory privilege” than in the past ("I once didn’t get in [the factory]." [42:15])
• Porsche’s inclusive, open culture, and the way the brand supports its history and community (“Porsche is one of the few luxurious brands that is at the same time very accessible.” —Ferdy [38:30])

5. FAT Karting League: Merit Over Money

• [45:16 onward] Central segment: New initiative to level the playing field for aspiring young racers with affordable, spec electric karts, racing at multiple hubs.
• [46:48] “How much do you think the average F1 driver spent from the age of 5 to getting into F1?” – Over $5 million, average $33 million.
• The traditional path to professional motorsport is expensive and closed off; in contrast, FAT Karting League:
  • Cuts season costs by up to 96% vs. traditional karting [48:20]
  • Electric spec karts, “arrive & drive” (no need to own/maintain)
  • Data-driven, merit-based: “We try to open up the spectator side of motorsport and make it more fun and inclusive and younger and wilder.” —Ferdy [47:01]
  • Winners receive funded seats in Formula 4 (“You will win a seat… and that seat is fully funded.” —Ferdy [49:29])
  • Open to ages 5–17; pilot hubs in the UK and USA (Southern California & Indianapolis/Chicago regions)
• Test Drive Reaction: Matt drove the kart, praising power, brakes, handling, and the realistic feel:

  “The cart was fabulous… really nice car to drive, a lot of fun… the power was great, the brakes were very predictable.” —Matt [51:12]

6. Listener Q&A: Porsche Culture, Driving, and Color

• [54:55 – 66:29] Extensive Patron question segment:
  • How to get kids into loose-surface racing (dirt tracks, ice karting, cross karts)
  • Defining what makes a Porsche feel like a Porsche (“Steering is good. Steering and braking.” —Ferdy [56:13])
  • Electric Porsche boats and environmental laws in Austria [56:34]
  • Dream Porsche experiences; most coveted family cars; favorite colors and rare PTS (Paint to Sample) choices [58:35, 64:03]
  • Best one-day car to win over a non-believer (Modern GT3, 356/964 for vintage)

7. Upcoming Events and How to Get Involved

• [34:31 | 66:39 | 68:20] Fat Ice Race: public tickets/entries, February, Big Sky, Montana
• [67:22] FAT Karting League: Season pass, tryouts, regional and world finals (Dec 14th, Willow Springs, CA)
• [66:51] “You can go to tryouts, see if your kid likes it. If he or she likes it… buy a season pass… to compete in the world final.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Heritage meets Modern:

  “I always thought, it’s actually kind of weird that not everybody loves cars. You should change that.” —Ferdy [14:10]

• On Racing Meritocracy:

  “Pretty sure that the fastest driver hasn't raced yet... someone in Sub-Saharan Africa can beat Max [Verstappen] if given the chance”—Matt, regarding the need for broad access [50:32]

• Why "FAT"?

  “It stands for Fashion-Transport... the trucker is kind of the underdog story. It had this streetstyle name, encapsulated everything Ice Race laid out.” —Ferdy [32:13]

• Ice Racing Vibes:

  “The whole idea was basically to do an event that was fun over speed.” —Ferdy [21:50]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:36–10:35: Getting to know Ferdy, family & architectural background
• 12:21–20:58: FAT International—brand, mountain cafes, and revival of ice racing
• 21:50–34:13: Ice racing culture, expansion to Montana, and what makes it special
• 36:15–44:48: Family perks, heritage, Porsche memories and museum oddities
• 45:16–54:04: FAT Karting League—origin, structure, and Matt’s impressions from behind the wheel
• 54:55–66:29: Listener Q&A: driving skills, Porsche quirks, dream experiences, and best colors
• 66:39–70:41: How to participate in upcoming FAT Karting and Ice Race events
• 70:41–72:08: Final notes, merch, and playful banter on California car culture

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Episode Tone & Style

• Conversational and friendly, with playful jabs, candid reflections, and a shared sense of admiration for automotive history and innovation.
• Ferdy’s openness (including architecture, family dynamics, “not everyone loves cars—yet”) blends authentically with the hosts’ deep industry and enthusiast knowledge.
• Ample humor and real talk about the challenges and joys of car culture (“I would definitely not wear anything that said fat on it. But now I think I can.” —Matt [69:46])

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How to Get Involved

• FAT Ice Race: fat-international.com — Tickets/entry for Montana event in February
• FAT Karting League: Tryouts and season passes for kids 5–17 in Southern California & Midwest; spots still available, world finals at Willow Springs (Dec 14th)
• Follow FAT International on Instagram/website for events, merch, and updates

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In Summary

This episode spotlights Ferdy Porsche’s mission to open the closed and costly world of motorsport to the next generation of talent—by making karting accessible, preserving history, and injecting fun into everything FAT International does. Whether you’re a Porsche die-hard, a racing dreamer, or an architecture buff, there’s plenty here for every kind of enthusiast.

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Best Quotes:

• “Fun over speed—that’s the motto.” —Ferdy Porsche [21:50]
• “Steering and braking: that’s what makes a Porsche.” —Ferdy [56:13]
• “When you’re 16, you just want to fit in… but the upside is you can drive really cool cars.” —Ferdy [36:15]

Key Segment for Karting Details: [45:16–54:04]

How to Join the Montana Ice Race: [34:31, 68:20]

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Transcript

[Matt Farah]

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[Ferdy Porsche]

I failed the theory.

[Matt Farah]

No.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah. Like I do. I felt like I do. And then I messed it up on a stupid question about like how old you have to be to sit in the front.

[Matt Farah]

They put in questions that don't matter. Yeah, that, I mean, that's, that's a lot of. Huh.

[Ferdy Porsche]

For safety and that's kind of.

[Matt Farah]

No. In America, there's, they ask you shit that doesn't matter the second you're handed the card. Like there are things that do matters that, such as staying to the right that they don't emphasize nearly further away.

[Ferdy Porsche]

You get from the driver's license, the less you like.

[Matt Farah]

We need some retesting in this country for sure. Yeah. But as you've learned from your time in California, like there aren't really laws here. So it's okay.

[Ferdy Porsche]

That's a good thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So it's fun. Sometimes it's, sometimes it's a good time. Sometimes you just need to get a car from point A to point B and it's not registered and what the you going to do?

[Ferdy Porsche]

You know that all Germans dream of living in the U.S. right? Music. We Grow up with your cinema. We like every German. The U.S. is kind of the benchmark.

[Matt Farah]

It's kind of funny.

[Ferdy Porsche]

It's free here. I mean, it's, of course, complete.

[Matt Farah]

It's complete.

[Ferdy Porsche]

But, like, we dream of the US as, like this, like the American dream very much lives in our heads.

[Matt Farah]

Don't worry.

[Zach]

It lives in a lot of our heads, too.

[Ferdy Porsche]

We're all hoping to achieve that dream one day.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to say, I want to know what's going on. Yeah. Grass is always greener, my friend.

[Zach]

Our biggest export, I think, is pop culture, entertainment, etc. So it makes sense that you just.

[Ferdy Porsche]

100%.

[Zach]

Yeah, I get it.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Music.

[Matt Farah]

Michael Jackson was a very powerful character. Pepsi and Coke fucking put a lot of money into this shit.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Awesome.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, dude, it's nice to meet you. This is now the show. This is it. We're here now. Yeah. Thanks for coming down. Yeah. Required, like, scheduling and everything. We were at the same event all day on Saturday. I didn't even see you fucking once.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, it was big. No, 6,000. 6,000 people.

[Matt Farah]

I think it was 4,998 people is the correct number of people that were there. Yeah. Trust me. And I thought it went really well, though. We haven't. We haven't done a show since. Since going back. Zach was there as well. We did a show in the morning we met and it was. I thought it was a really, really fun event. Yeah, it's your fun, dude.

[Ferdy Porsche]

It was great, I think. Yeah, I had a lot of fun. I even got to drive a little bit, which I think not many.

[Matt Farah]

On track or in cars?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, no, not in carts. The carts is for the kids.

[Matt Farah]

I drove cars. You did, Yeah, I drove a car. Yeah. Really? Yeah. How? I was going to talk about it. I walked over there. Someone. There was a group text with Ali on it, said, be at the car track at 1. And I went over to the car track at 1 and one of the people on your team said, oh, Matt, get over here. Try one of these. We're doing. We're doing a race. And I went. It was a fucking blast. I had a great time. Me and Graham Smith had a real fucking battle.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Meg, I didn't.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, I opened a gap and then I got, like, way aggressive in one of the braking zones and looped it into the gravel and he went by like, that was great. These electric carts are fun. And I want to circle back to karting. Yeah, but it was fun. Yeah, but you drove what, on streets of Willow Yeah. In what?

[Ferdy Porsche]

No, I drove the Big Willow. The streets is the one that they already like, repaved. Yeah, no, I drove the Big willow in a C4 lightweight. You know the Ice Race livery.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, the white one. Right. I saw that car. It's. That's a lovely car.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

And also I was. When I got there, Zach and I got there super early to set up for the podcast and whatever and the. The Fat Corral. Yeah. Was there. And the first thing we noticed was that you were using an Arnage as a merch booth, which is one of the. The best uses of a Bentley Arnouch possible.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I've never driven one, but they do look really. They do look gangster that.

[Matt Farah]

I would have thought that.

[Zach]

Did you drive it up there or back down?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Oh, we drove it there on a truck, I think.

[Matt Farah]

No, you. Yeah, you should drive one of them. They're awesome.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, I would. I would love to.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that would be a perfect car.

[Ferdy Porsche]

They're probably good value, like, right? They're not. They're not expensive these days.

[Zach]

They are cheap.

[Matt Farah]

They're cheap and they're expensive. Say that, you know, they're expensive to keep running.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Which is why. But if you, if you want to use one every day, then they're good. Yeah, you have to use them a lot.

[Ferdy Porsche]

A great car.

[Matt Farah]

Our friend Alana Shear, who writes about cars for a lot of people, mainly car and driver, just bought one to use as a daily driver.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, I mean, it's working out okay for here. You sit in traffic so much. It's the perfect. I mean, I drove around the C4 light with the last few days. It's not the perfect car, by the way.

[Matt Farah]

No, it is.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Because you're in traffic the whole time. It's loudest.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you can say. Okay. Yeah, yeah, it's loud.

[Ferdy Porsche]

As loud as.

[Matt Farah]

No. Yeah, that's. LA is a two car solution kind of town. You have your traffic car and then you have your fun car. Yeah. In this case, your Porsche. In other people's cases, you see some other things. Yeah, my case Porsche as well. But yeah. Dude, I really. I really thought Willow did. It looks great. The buildings look great, track looks great.

[Ferdy Porsche]

It's amazing. I mean, the history alone already makes it cool. I think there's so much heritage. Right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Ken miles built in 1953 and never once updated.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Also the light makes everything look better over there. And like the desert is also a good backdrop. I think it's a great place.

[Matt Farah]

But it's really funny, I was telling Sam and These other guys. Cause it was really windy and dusty, which is like, what happens there. I mean, that's what it is. It's like, man, you guys got a lot of money, but you cannot fucking buy the wind away out here.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I thought the wind was nice, though, because otherwise it would have been way too hot.

[Matt Farah]

It is nice. Unless you leave the top down for 90 minutes in your 718 Spider and you come back to find just a. It was bad. It was really bad. Zach left his windows cracked.

[Zach]

I did the window cracked so people could see my new interior. And then I saw the wind kick up and went, oh.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Everywhere.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you can't beat. You can't beat the elements there, but it looks beautiful.

[Ferdy Porsche]

That is a nice. That is a very California thing, though, right? Leaving the top down.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Just not minding even putting it up.

[Zach]

You can wear your part.

[Ferdy Porsche]

You can never live like that in Germany. Like in Austria, it's raining, like, every second day.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. On the 718 Spider RS press launch, I had to take the top up and off and put it back on, I think four times in six hours.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Where was that?

[Matt Farah]

In. In the roads that Andy Preuninger likes. Outside of Stuttgart. Yeah. You pro. I. I couldn't tell you what the roads are, but you probably, like, know what they are.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I have no idea, honestly.

[Matt Farah]

Really?

[Ferdy Porsche]

I didn't grow up in Stuttgart. I mean, I am there quite often, but.

[Matt Farah]

You must have. Yeah. You don't know where. You don't know where the Porsche people drive outside of Stuttgart? It's there. It's whatever that is.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, so. So where did you grow up?

[Ferdy Porsche]

In Munich.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

My mom's in the movie business, and that's kind of in Munich. And my dad was between Stuttgart and Salzburg, so back and forth.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. And you're an architect now?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, I studied architecture in Vienna.

[Matt Farah]

And was that always a dream for you?

[Ferdy Porsche]

No, I think I kind of wanted to do my. Like, I like having my own thing. Right. Like, I think if you come from my family, it's kind of easy to be, like, sure caught in. In a sense. And, like, I always wanted to do my own. Like, I love studying something that gives you, like, a hard skill and then you can do something. Like, I didn't want to. Like, after school, I was like, okay, now I have, like, all the options. Like, what do I do? Sure. Like, business boring. Like, what do I do after? Right. So architecture was one thing that I was always interested in, and I kind of like the idea of changing a place and making it nicer and like I have, I think every architect has this like feeling of like it would like, let's try to make the world a better place in a sense. Like, you know, it's a very optimistic job until you actually do the job.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

The engineers show up.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. The, the, the building a, an integrated space and all that stuff to. Yeah. Do a favor. Like is it homes, is it like big commercial buildings or whatever?

[Ferdy Porsche]

No, I really like, like I really like saying so it's whatever. So we have, we have a lot of car related projects. I wonder why. And then we did everything from a small bar in Vienna that we just did the interior to like a lung practice with apartments on top to renovating an old castle to. Yeah. So it's all different, all different jobs. And then like obviously like my, my master thesis for example, I redesigned one of these auto grilled bridges in Italy.

[Matt Farah]

Cool.

[Ferdy Porsche]

So like always kind of wanted, like always try to kind of merge the.

[Zach]

Two worlds and rest stop, like it's a huge bridge. You go.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Cafeteria thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

And you know Germans like we don't like holiday at home so we always go other places and kind of seeing that bridge for the first time always means like you're on holidays because like you've entered Italy and so they have like this kind of romantic, like it's a really romantic thing nowadays. Kitsch maybe even. But I think back in the days it was a very like optimistic era.

[Zach]

Right.

[Ferdy Porsche]

It was, the car was like there for the first time and like people would drive the motorway. The motorway was new and like everything was very positive and you would like look over the Italian countryside and like lots of cars driving fast underneath you.

[Matt Farah]

It's a different, it's like, it's, it's a, it's a not high end but it's like a more relaxed rest area where you're eating.

[Ferdy Porsche]

And the high end comes from the quality of like the food and stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Right. But that's just the Italian.

[Ferdy Porsche]

The espresso is €1 and it's the whole.

[Matt Farah]

We will never figure that out here, you know. But like, but we also have a certain type of restaurant that doesn't exist there. Yeah, the sort of like bistro, like the sort of like bistro Y type restaurant. Like they have the, those for lack of a better term the gas station restaurants which are actually quite good, which they have sort of, you know, instead of a lot of the McDonald's and shit like that. But then we have restaurants that are like one notch above that that they kind of don't have. And they skip to the next level to like a little more fine dining, traditional.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, I guess probably the Auto Grill is like the only kind of like car focused thing, right? Like car focused restaurant, I would say in Italy, like, because the cities are so dense. Etc. It's probably different here, right? Here you probably drive to every restaurant.

[Matt Farah]

Unfortunately. Unfortunately you have to.

[Ferdy Porsche]

The cities are just different, right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they're set up for. Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

But yeah, so I always kind of like, liked sort of skipping from or like jumping back and forth from cars and architecture.

[Matt Farah]

When you were doing like car projects, the Auto Grill is one. But were you doing like car museum, car storage facility or like man cavey kind of shit?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, we did. Like, just for the fun of it, we did. We designed a version for the Peterson that like how the Peterson could look if it would be redone and like, just for the fun of it. Right. And then we also. There's a collector outside of Vienna who wanted us to design a garage for him where he could keep his cars. Didn't happen so far, but it's gonna happen one day. And yeah. So the Mankai we designed. So you know.

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Our. Our coffee stop on the highest mountain in Austria where we like with.

[Matt Farah]

So. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I mean, that's like when I think of your. Your brand. Fat. Yeah, I wanna, I wanna talk about this because it's really. Because it's. When I first saw it, it was really one of those, like. All right, what are these people actually doing?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Like, what?

[Matt Farah]

It's cool, though. It looks cool.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Fat.

[Matt Farah]

It's on a bunch of like, merch and cars. But like, you know, like, same as, you know, our friends Jacob and over at race service, you know, like they have a shop but like, what are you guys actually doing here? But then you built this coffee shop on top of the mountain and I was like, oh, that's very pretty. What is going on there? So you're doing architecture, you're dipping your toe in various car projects, and then you decide to maybe get into a little bit of ice racing.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Ice racing kind of started the whole thing, actually.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Ferdy Porsche]

So I was in the middle of uni still and kind of stumbled across this ice race because my dad had bought a car that used to race in the. In the historic ice races. So from the 50s to the 70s in Zelamsee in Austria, they had. They were racing on the frozen lake and they had like 550s and like 356s and all different sorts of cars. It was like 10,000 people there. And it just looked. I never heard about this before, right? So I'd like. Because of that car, I kind of researched and then I thought it's one.

[Matt Farah]

Of the coolest looking sports. Like photographically it just looks like beautiful.

[Ferdy Porsche]

And I thought like, there was a real chance to bring this back into our like day and age, right? Everything is very Instagramable in a sense. Maybe I could do my version of like. Like, how do you do in a car event that would attract a younger crowd, maybe people who don't like cars yet, but who would actually like them. Because I always, I was always like studying architecture, but obviously having a car background. Architects aren't the biggest fans of cars, right? Because like, they want the cities to be like freedom, blah, blah. So I think there was always. But there is a, like, there. There are many connections between those things, right? And I think the car is like the perfect conversation starter. It's like engineering, it's design. It's like so many people can see different things in cars that they like. So I always thought, like, it's actually kind of weird that like, not everybody loves cars. You should change that.

[Matt Farah]

I think people like pretty cars. I think people kind of get it when they, when they see a car, like doing its special if it has one. People get that. Like, I mean, just, you know, my wife as an example, you know, she doesn't really know much about cars or really care about driving dynamics, but if she sees something that's striking, she goes, well, wow, look at that, you know, and she's on Facebook Marketplace, like, can I buy this? And it's like a fucking Daihatsu K truck. I'm like, no, no, no. She's no, I must have this. I'm like, we don't need a mini dump truck, baby. But like. And there are people that really don't get it. But like, how do you look? And we've got a pict of what looks like a 959 or some type of Porsche rally car towing a skier, which. That's the best version of Ice racing is towing the skier.

[Ferdy Porsche]

That is the best version of it. Yes, that's. No, honestly, I think maybe to your.

[Matt Farah]

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[Ferdy Porsche]

I think like maybe the pretty cars get you into it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I think like through that you might like learn and appreciate like what cars do for society or what they did for society and maybe how to use them in a more like in a smarter sense sometimes. Right. So I think the K cards for example, are a great example.

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Mobility in a smart.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Small.

[Matt Farah]

Can you believe that? Like there's like local governments in our country that are like trying to make them illegal here. Like specifically make them illegal.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah. I mean I think if you do have a crash with that versus.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

But you're not big pickup truck. It's probably not the best thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But you're not going to damage something else. You know, if you, you get into a K truck, you know you're going to die in a crash. No one's. Nobody thinks that you're. That's land of personal responsibility kind of stuff.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Surprisingly I've seen more actual personal responsibility type stuff in Germany than I've ever seen in America. I've been to Oktoberfest, that spinny fucking disc thing. That shit would never fly in la, dude.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah. Although I was kind of surprised that we like were allowed to do this a cool. Like back in the days they used to do this like as a mass start. So like multiple cars would start at the same time with skiers in the back. We're not allowed to do that anymore. So now it's like a time thing.

[Matt Farah]

And they do it with horses before that.

[Zach]

Well, they do that in steamboat with horses.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Zach]

Down the Main Street.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I think they do it in Montana also. I mean, speaking of iceways, we're bringing that to Montana next year. Like, they do the skiering with horses in Montana too.

[Matt Farah]

Well, and it should be part of ice racing, right?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

At the end, maybe once the. Once the cars don't need the ice anymore, like, let the horses have a whack at it.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I think that I got this in.

[Zach]

High school and it was a great time. We just towed each other around the snowy parking lot like snowboarding. So fun.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Last race of the. Last race of the event is the 1 horsepower cup.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I ripped my. Sadly, I ripped my biceps already doing it once, I bet. Yes.

[Zach]

Oh, you got to do the straight.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I bet you if it's not like, like if the rope isn't in tension, get that window.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. You probably want. Do you maybe is there an optimized situation where there's a bridle that's like almost got a shock absorber in it to sort of reduce that or just like, it's very.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Like, we do it like the easier way.

[Matt Farah]

We don't need an engineering source.

[Zach]

He'll make something.

[Matt Farah]

But it does look.

[Ferdy Porsche]

No. So we did like ice race. The whole idea was basically to do an event that is like fun over speed. That's the motto of it. Also, how do you get like a different crowd of people into this? Plus obviously everybody who's already excited about cars and the people who bring the cool shit, but also like the younger generation, like people who don't maybe don't understand it that much yet or have no, like, no way to entry yet, but maybe seek it. Right. Because it is a cool well and.

[Matt Farah]

It'S been cool with it.

[Ferdy Porsche]

And it's a very. As I said, like, cars are just a good conversation starter.

[Matt Farah]

It's like it all. It's also really accessible. Like, you know, if you're standing either like where these people are on the. Up on the berms, you know, it. It looks amazing in these still photos, but in reality it's sideways and fairly slow. And so you've got people that are willing to drift a Miura that might otherwise have been like, absolutely not because it's such a low risk environment, but it ends up looking really cool. People get to hear him, like, revving the snot out of this thing. And so unlike just a concourse or whatever. It's like it's in motion.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That makes it exciting.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, that's what I. That's another angle that I like. It makes people use their cars and in environments that they would probably usually don't really do that. So it's kind of this, like, absurd festival vibe.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

People getting together and, like, having a good time in the snow ideally, but not.

[Matt Farah]

I'm. I look, I'm coming this year to Montana. I heard about it. I'm already in that. Where I talked to Philip. We're gonna get spikes for my radial. Manx love it. He has a spot on the truck. I'll have to put the all weather covers on the seats, but, like. And you know. Let's go. Right.

[Ferdy Porsche]

What are they for?

[Matt Farah]

All weather covers, Dude. The only thing about my Manx that's like less than perfect is that the seats are not waterproof. I don't wish they were because they're gorgeous. But what are the seats? Leather. They're like the sport buckets. But they put heating elements in them. For me. It's awesome. So it'll be perfect for ice racing.

[Ferdy Porsche]

That is perfect.

[Matt Farah]

But they made some, like, nice covers for once. So for when I wash it, they don't get completely wrecked. They do Phil. Philip does. They do a good work over there.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Manx is a great.

[Matt Farah]

Manx is the.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Manx is the.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they're gonna. They're. They're. They're. It's so much fun to drive that.

[Ferdy Porsche]

It's the best around California vehicle.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah. Do. Are you. Do you have one yet or they just. Do they just let you borrow one? You are.

[Ferdy Porsche]

But he borrows me.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. Are you gonna put a Porsche motor in yours?

[Ferdy Porsche]

I don't know yet. Yeah. Hopefully he. He just built one with a four cam. Right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

That's pretty cool.

[Matt Farah]

That was. It was there. It was a willow. That gray.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah. It was in the fat pedal.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But that. Dude, that thing is like. It's like half a million bucks for one of those engines. Maybe you could build. You could do just like a hot rod.

[Ferdy Porsche]

You know, like the electric version. To be honest.

[Matt Farah]

They're cool. Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I think like. Like, it's just a vibe. Okay.

[Zach]

Obviously, electric bike tires would be. You do wheelies?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. That would be fun.

[Ferdy Porsche]

The Taycan. Speaking of electric, the Taycan is one of the most fun cars for. For ice race.

[Matt Farah]

Did you go to Finland all the power?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah. That's one. Like, that's. That's one reason why I was so fond of ice racing and why I maybe decided to also do this because my dad gave my brother and me a weekend in Finland. Kind of like driving school.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

My brother made his. Did his driving license he was 18, I was 21 and he was like, okay guys, boys, you got to learn how to drive. Let's go to Finland.

[Matt Farah]

Porsche experience. I went up there. It was unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have so many tracks.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Like, what were you, what did you drive?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Everything I think from like four wheel drive stuff, so turbo, but also like rear wheel drive everything.

[Matt Farah]

Did you drive Taycans?

[Ferdy Porsche]

No, there were no Taycans back then.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, okay.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Older than I look.

[Matt Farah]

All right. They had, they have them up there now. They're supposed to be just unbelievable. Yeah, I got to drive GT4 all.

[Ferdy Porsche]

The time and like four wheel drive is more like, is arguably more fun in like on the ice. Yeah, you can just be like more sideways.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I drove the GT4RS Club Sport on Spikes and it was the greatest. The part was ace. But now they have, now they have Taycans up there. They have that cool like the, the turbocharger. You've seen the giant like truck thing. No, no, no. They're. They're huge semi truck that they use to charge the things. It can charge 10 Taycans at once. That shit is nuts. Yeah, they built a whole barn around it.

[Ferdy Porsche]

So coolest thing they had when I was there was a 918. Sick at a 918 on specs. But they wouldn't use that on the small tracks. They used it on the big roads to lead to the track and they didn't let me drive it also.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, what a bummer.

[Ferdy Porsche]

But like one of the instructors took us like on a fast run through like basically on all the roads that would lead to the different tracks.

[Matt Farah]

Like.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Wow, that was insane.

[Zach]

918 rally car.

[Matt Farah]

That's pretty, that's pretty awesome.

[Zach]

So sick.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What?

[Ferdy Porsche]

That was nuts.

[Matt Farah]

What would be your, your all your ultimate. So you like, you like four wheel drive for, for ice? Yeah. Okay. So for you it's your lightweight C4 is just it.

[Ferdy Porsche]

That's the perfect.

[Matt Farah]

That's the jam.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I think that's a perfect. It's loud. It's four wheel drive. You can adjust it so it can, can be a little more real. Right. You know, like.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, it has the bias. Yeah. So it's.

[Ferdy Porsche]

That's pretty cool.

[Matt Farah]

Like is that like out of 959, that piece of tech?

[Ferdy Porsche]

It's out of 953.

[Matt Farah]

Oh nine. Yeah, yeah. From before that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Very first.

[Matt Farah]

That's like the Jackie Ick. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I think he also drove 959.

[Matt Farah]

He did later, but he drove 950.

[Ferdy Porsche]

953 was the first. The car Porsche.

[Matt Farah]

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[Ferdy Porsche]

I mean, the word fat is one reason, right?

[Matt Farah]

It's a good word.

[Ferdy Porsche]

You know, it's fun. It's. It kind of encapsulates everything and no. So, jokes aside, we did Ice race twice before COVID so 20, 19 and 20. And as I said, that was more of a yo, it would be so cool if this would be back. Why not do it? So it was more like a why not approach. And then during COVID I obviously figured that I might have a bit like an ice race free year, basically. And I thought there is some, like, potential here, right? Like, there was already kind of a community building around Ice Race. People would go for drives in the summer. The partners were kind of excited about it. I was excited about it because I met so many cool people through it and it was kind of. It was just fun to organize that, right? It was like a big, big, big birthday party. It's not my birthday, but it was just a very, like, nice thing to, like, meet people, etc. So I figured there's some potential there and then I can kind of thought, okay, but like, if I have Ice race only then, like, I can never do something in the summer or it's going to be hard to do other stuff, right? I was kind of like, I always loved clothes and sneakers and like, product in general. So I thought, like, I want to be able to do more things with, like, what I've started there. And so I looked through all the Le Mans winning cars of Porsche because I figured maybe, like Ice Race, I would find something with heritage that doesn't exist anymore that you could kind of like bring back and revive. And it took like two and a half minutes. And I stumbled across, like, you're like.

[Matt Farah]

Wait, there's a brand called Fat?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, I live like 97 and 95 for fat. International sponsored a Le Mans winning Porsche. And I'm like, what the is FAT International.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And, yeah, a shipping company. Right.

[Ferdy Porsche]

It used to be a shipping company for fashion from Paris to, like, from France to Germany. So it stands for which I like. Another layer that I really liked. Right. The trucker is kind of the underdog story. Right? The truckers that go and, like, win Le Mans, I think that's also kind of a good. And then it kind of had this, like, street style name, right? Like, this, like, very, like, it kind of encapsulated everything that Ice Race laid out. And it felt like the perfect sort of umbrella brand for what we wanted to do. And now we're kind of building and building around.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it seems to be, like, working. I mean, I actually think you guys are, like, the brand, like, sort of aesthetic is, like, pretty similar, I think, to what Manx is doing. You guys just don't have a car to sell. You know, you. You're. You're on. You're doing. You're doing events and stuff, like, and other products.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Cars.

[Matt Farah]

Huh? Do you. You're selling cars now?

[Ferdy Porsche]

I mean, high fatty portion.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, no, I thought, you know, I thought you don't work.

[Ferdy Porsche]

We don't sell car. Like. Yeah, no, Fat doesn't sell cars. Yeah, we build little go karts.

[Matt Farah]

Well, yes, we can. Yes. Go kart. Go karting is a different story. But, like, you know, it's just the.

[Zach]

The.

[Matt Farah]

The aesthetic is similar just in service of different stuff.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, I think similar to, like, like you mentioned Manx. Like, what is their tagline is Smiles for miles. And I mean, it's similar. Right. Like, with Phat, I want to create something that is, like, fun and open to, like, accessible and. And exciting. And, like, I like the whole, like, if you think back to all those, like, old liveries and if you look at old photos of motorsport, everything always is so aesthetically pleasing and nice. And the cars look nice. And that, like, some graphic designer took a lot of, like, made a lot of effort for everything to align well and to look good. So I kind of want to bring that, like, effort back into what we do.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. When there's, like, five sponsors, not 50.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yes. That probably also made a difference.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

But I think it's also the way it's, like, layouted. Layout. Layouted.

[Matt Farah]

Laid out.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Laid out.

[Matt Farah]

Thank you.

[Ferdy Porsche]

So there it is.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yes. Original dirt don't wash. So. All right, so how many. We're doing Montana in February. Yeah. And can people enter, buy tickets? What do they look. Is it just Fat Ice Race? Just search for that.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah. Search for Fat Ice Race or go to fat-international.com and buy tickets. So it's an open event. It's the second time that we're coming to the US but the first time that it's really like for more people. Right. Like we in theory have almost as much space as in Austria where we do it. So it's like, like probably like 4,000 people. And you can also enter your car. We haven't decided yet who the 50 or 60 lucky people are that, that are driving. And it's a two day event. It's a. Parties in the evening and it's like. Yeah, exactly what we do in, in Austria. But we're going to try to make this the American version of it, so.

[Matt Farah]

And also Montana skiing. Chilling. Maybe we, maybe we have to road trip it in something as well. Maybe we can bring that.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Dude, you are like the.

[Matt Farah]

Maybe we can bring the. You know what a silver car.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Where's the silver?

[Matt Farah]

The car that's downstairs. Zach. There's a car?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That's downstairs?

[Zach]

Well, there's 35 cars down.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, but there's one that's for a thing. Never mind. Okay, we have another, another interesting idea. We'll talk about it later. We can't talk about the show. Sorry. Excuse me. Excuse my friend. He's a. It's okay. Somet. I'm a moron too. When you, I mean, look, when you're, when your last name is Porsche, obviously there's like everybody has fucking expectations of you, which there's probably like a lot of pressure. Probably also kind of cool, right? Like when you're like, like when you're 16 and your name is Porsche, is that awesome?

[Ferdy Porsche]

I feel like it's getting more awesome the older you become and the more like you have found your own thing. Right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Then I feel like it's. It's a really cool thing when you're 16, I think like, or the younger you are, I feel like you still want to kind of like fit in and not like. So I felt like in school like I always rather wanted like. Anyways, I went to a public school in, in Germany. So it was always kind of like I always had like friends from all different tribes of life. And it was always like. Yeah, I always just wanted to fit in a sense and be my own character. But of course, like it comes with, with upsides and downsides. The upside is you can drive like really cool cars.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah. That's a solid perk. That is a really good perk. Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Especially if you really like the things Also, yeah, so kind of growing up, going to all different car events and like always close to the brand in a sense it's, it's an advantage that, that the product is cool and that you actually can fall in love with it.

[Matt Farah]

Do you have a relative that you don't have to name or anything, but for whom the name is like a full on curse, like hates cars, just wishes they never had to talk about it ever?

[Ferdy Porsche]

No, nobo hates cars. I think everybody likes cars. Like everybody kind of sees the, I mean it's also cool. Like it's, you know, it's, it's in a sense it's a family business right now. It's like super big and probably not your typical family business in a sense anymore, but everybody kind of has a nice relation to the brand. I want to say. I think people are in general proud.

[Matt Farah]

Also of like, sure.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I don't know what their forefathers have done in a sense. There's stuff to learn from them in a positive, in a negative way. And like, I think it's just a cool, like it's a crazy history also, right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it is, It's a good history and it's a history that the fans of the brand have done a very good job of keeping alive with their own magazines and movies and television shows and museums and, and whatever. And then Porsche really at kind of the right time in the global car enthusiasm, said, hey, wait a minute, we better start publicly, you know, finding ways to support our own history as being one of, you know, motorsport and aesthetic and color and material and everything.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Porsche is one of the few luxurious brands, I want to say, even though like it's one of the few brands that a has a luxurious product that is at the same time very accessible. You know, I think that started from like the 912s and people like modifying them and like we won't punish people who like with our cars in a sense.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Like Ferrari kind of like we'll never sell you. Which is a very like open community driven thing in a sense. Right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Instant friends. And they just like love the brand I think, for, for its values.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Ferdy Porsche]

For building lightweight, smart, I don't know, form follows function for like continuing the same silhouette over like, yeah, 60 years. And like I think like people really buy it. Like there's a huge fan base.

[Zach]

Well, it's a good glue for that fan base to stretch across a bunch of generations and I think, yeah, what really helps them. And also the cars have stood up to that reputation over a number of decades. So there's. They were cool in the 60s. They're cool now. The quality is pretty good and consistent across the whole, like, life cycle. And I think all of that means it just has a more powerful magnet for everyone to be a fan of. It doesn't matter what generation they're a fan of.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And the cars, you know, if you. If you. I think if you have a 911 for the weekends, you're likely to get a Macan or a Cayenne or a Panamera for every day because you enjoy interacting with that type of machine. And even if it's, you know, front engine and heavy or electric or whatever, that. The way that it. It. You know, that the steering wheel feels in your hands, the way the driving position is set up and all that, you go, well, this is. This is set up for someone who gives a shit about the driving position. It's not just like, you know, like, not to shit on them too much, but, like, the Volkswagen Golf R has a fabulous driving position. The fucking Tiguan does not. You know what I mean? Like, and so, like, it's not. It's not as consistent. Consistent in that way. Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I mean, I think it's just a different. Like, obviously Porsche is focused on people who like to drive. Right.

[Matt Farah]

But I have, like, my wife has a. Has a Taycan Cross Turismo, which is a cross Turismo 4, which is, like the softest Taycan that exists.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Air suspension, like, soft.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And, like, still feels. Still feels, like.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Still handles well.

[Matt Farah]

Still does. Still gets it done, you know? Anyway, so. Yeah, enough. Enough sucking up to Porsche. But I happen to like them.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I like that, too. Me, too.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah. Ferdy, push the mic up a little bit. I think it sagged on you.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah. And turn, turn. Tighten that. That crank there, please. Yeah, yeah, cool. Do.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Okay, that's good.

[Matt Farah]

And. And one more. One more family question, and then I want to talk about Karting. Do. When your last name is Porsche.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

I have. I have been. I have been into Stuttgart, you know, as a guest of Porsche, and I've seen cars. I've seen cars that don't exist.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, so it. When you. Is there a milestone when your last name is Porsche? When do you get to order a car that doesn't exist? No, Like, I want to talk. I want a Targa with a GT3RS engine in it.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, I don't do that.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. All right. You don't get you. They don't give you the keys to those kingdoms. You got to be Up. Okay. Maybe when you're like 50 or something.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Maybe.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

No, I don't think it's an H. I don't think it's an age question. I think it depends on like, do you have a role in the company? Like, do you work there? I think it's. It's still like a meritocratic, like.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, yeah, you got it.

[Ferdy Porsche]

You have to learn, exist. For sure. It's really cool to be in Stuttgart, right. Because it has all of that family history thing. But it's not like when my dad was young and he just had keys to the factory. Right. Because like it was a tiny thing. Yeah, yeah. So it's not like that anymore. I once didn't get in.

[Matt Farah]

Really? Yes. What do you mean?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, I once, like, I wanted to visit my dad and like, I don't know why, but like, nonetheless. So I had to wait and I took ages and like, they were like. Yeah, but like, hey, the name though.

[Matt Farah]

Do you see that? That's.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, it didn't work.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, but that's cool also, right? Because in a sense, like, the whole thing is growing and like, it's like, it's fine.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

It's.

[Matt Farah]

Obviously it hasn't bothered you this whole time.

[Ferdy Porsche]

No, no, no. I'm pretty.

[Matt Farah]

But all right. Sorry. We're all right. So that's a shame. No. Builds that don't exist.

[Ferdy Porsche]

But some of those, I mean, I've seen some of them.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

There's this like famous garage right, of the, like, where the Porsche museum keeps all the, like one of them. The test cars.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I've been there. It's awesome. It's the best. Those weird, you know the weird stuff with the missions equipment hanging off the back and it's like, yeah, that's a Cayenne body. But like on a 911, it's just great. Just freak show cars.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Cool stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

And it's also really cool how the cars have been developed back in the days and like, what's still, like also still, like how many crazy like things they glued together.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Like kind of test. The most random.

[Matt Farah]

No, there's like a 924 with a bunch of hanging off it that's been there for like 40 years. And there's also like a 918 with the same looking. Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Or the Cayenne Cabriolet.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, that stuff is great. That's what I want. I'd be like, yo, give me the keys to that funky looking prototype that sadly doesn't work. Yeah, I know. I would demand it, but I understand why it doesn't work.

[Ferdy Porsche]

You can in my name if you want to.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Demanded by.

[Matt Farah]

Let's get a petition going that if your name is. This is like. I once went to the factory where they build the engines for the Corvette Z06s, and I found that the people who hand build the engines don't ever get to try a car. And that was very sad to me. Like, you're building engines all day your whole life. Like, they're going in. This car is like, come on. Like a taste. So the same kind of thing, Porsche, you should get to have.

[Ferdy Porsche]

That's another thing about Porsche that I really like. Like, the people that work for the company are, like, super hyped to be there. Right. Like, it's like, as much as the fans do like it, I think the people that work there are also, like, they have the feeling that they're part of something, like, really cool and they're building something cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah, it's sweet. I like my cars, too. They make a nice product. And I get to do it. I get to do a thousand miles in a 918 in two weeks. It should be pretty. Pretty all right. In Georgia, out of Atlanta, I get to do a lap through the Smoky Mountains and come back.

[Ferdy Porsche]

It's one of the best cars. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I've never really spent much time in one, like, 10 minutes. I'm super excited.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Me neither. I mean, not much, right?

[Matt Farah]

I've.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I've been in one and I've driven one, but, like, not a thousand miles.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I know. I had to, like, beg for this. Yeah.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Carding. So you. The. The actual, like, real reason that you're here, just being. Being. Being cool and being in town doesn't count? Unfortunately.

[Ferdy Porsche]

No. Yes.

[Matt Farah]

But the reason that, that you, Your, Your folks got in touch with me is because you're starting a carding league or have started a carding league. Fat carding. Yeah. And why. What are we doing here? What's the deal?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Okay, so, like, when we, when we came up with the idea of fat and kind of, like, building this world around the brand, right? From events to product to, like, offline experiences, etc, like, kind of like thinking, like, what makes this cool? Like, one of the immediate problems that you stumble across when you think of motorsport is that it's not accessible. It's not a. To your point of, like, the people that build the engines, but it's so expensive. Right. And especially if you want to make it, if you want to go to like, if you want to make it to F1 or if you want to make it to like one of the pro championships. There is no like clear path, right. If you play football, for example, being very European now. But if you play football, the one with the actual feet.

[Matt Farah]

The one with the feet.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Then you kind of like, you start playing and then at some point, if you're better, you go to a like semi professional team and you kind of like go through the, go through the, like you climb the step ladder basically. And if you're good enough, like it's a merit based teams exist and you.

[Matt Farah]

Can join those teams, they will recruit you and teams are always looking and whatever. Which does not happen in racing ever.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Exactly. It's. It's like this completely like 1.6 billion people watch the sport, like Formula 1.

[Matt Farah]

Now and 20 people compete in it.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Exactly. Nobody can like really, there's no. Okay question. How much do you think the average F1 driver spent from the age of five to getting into F1?

[Matt Farah]

Oh my God.

[Zach]

To just getting their first seat in there. Spending eight seat or first gentleman seat?

[Ferdy Porsche]

No, first seat. Like first time sitting in an F. Oh my God. It's like in a. I bet it's.

[Matt Farah]

5 million, 33 million like on average.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Obviously there is like different stories, but it's getting like. Because the sport is more and more.

[Matt Farah]

Someone'S and someone spent 300 million people.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Are willing to like really spend a lot, a ton of money, right? And it's a sport where you basically. Because there is no like step ladder that is like thought, like thought through and like it's not a merit based thing. You can basically, if you want to be scouted by an F1 team, you like have to drive European Karting Championship, which is also a thing, right? It's only Europe. Like if you drive American Karting championship, no like F1 scout will come to you and like see you. And also it's such a like numbers driven sport, right? The stopwatch doesn't die. But then there's some guy going to a track in Europe just looking at you and like, okay, yeah, maybe. How much money do you bring? So the whole idea basically was. So I met Rob Smedley, the guy who started the karting league and we, we got in touch. I like, he was looking for investors back then, that was like one and a half years ago. And I immediately loved the idea. And then I kind of told him what I do with fat. And we felt that it was a super match, right? Like we Try to open up the spectator side of motorsport and make it more fun and inclusive and younger and wilder. And he like had built a tool to really mess with the system that was not existing. Right. And so like the whole idea of Fat Karting League is that it's a, a league that is merit based. We got the cost down by 96% of a karting season.

[Matt Farah]

Wow.

[Ferdy Porsche]

So it's still not like just getting a football and like playing.

[Matt Farah]

Yes.

[Ferdy Porsche]

It's way, way cheaper and it's, it's spec.

[Matt Farah]

Carts. Your carts.

[Ferdy Porsche]

We build the carts ourselves. So Rob like obviously had spent 25 years of his life in Formula One, so he like brought some of his like co engineers at Ferrari or Williams or wherever to his team and they developed a car that is meant to be a proper race car. So it's, it handles well. It drives the right corner the same way it drives the left corner. Although like, like the battery packs are positioned so it works like that. It's electric. It's an arrive and drive system. So you basically buy your ticket and then just come to one of our races and drive and we collect the data and we see who's fastest and, and you race for points and then ultimately if you win, you will be a part of the Fed Racing team, which is what we launched this weekend, Formula 4.

[Matt Farah]

You will win a seat. So it's like almost like a grant, like a Gran Turismo GT Academy, but with carts instead of video games. You get a real seat in a real car. Yes. And that seat is a, is a covered seat.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, it's fully funded.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, fully funded.

[Ferdy Porsche]

And like we plan to really build like a full blown race team. Right. Like we plan to build F4, F3, F2 and, and basically have the kids, kids like create a league basically that like is the funnel for the, and.

[Matt Farah]

You'Re maintaining, you're like, you hold the carts. Like I show up with my helmet in my suit. Not I, but a kid.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. They don't have to like physically bring the cart.

[Ferdy Porsche]

No, like, basically that's. So the way the system works now is you have to buy a cart, you have to like have a mechanic or your dad or your mom be the mechanic. You have to buy tires, you have to like sign up for events, you have to drive there, you have to drive the car there, you have to like do all these different things. And obviously, obviously there is ways to cheat, right? There's ways to just spend more money than the other kids and then you will be better. You have like the better mechanic, you buy the newer engine, you buy the fresher tires. So there's ways to, like, cheat. You cheat. There's ways to.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's what. That's like kind of what racing is.

[Ferdy Porsche]

And so people do. Right. And we thought if you take a step back, almost every sport that is kind of. That is democratized and that people can really play, like, pretty sure that the fastest driver hasn't raced yet.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Although Max is very fast, someone in.

[Matt Farah]

Sub Saharan Africa can beat Max if given the chance. Math says so. Math says someone in Mongolia.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I think Max is the same, by the way. Max, for example, believes in the whole sort of video game thing also, like a lot. Right. He drives Nurburgring with one of his sim racing colleagues, I think. So I believe in the sim racing thing too. Right. I just think you do need some seat time also at some point. This is more fun also, right? Like, oh, you've tried the car kart.

[Matt Farah]

I tried the cart. Yeah, I tried the cart and I am like, fat. It's like I'm. I'm like, I'm actually fat. It's. I don't think the carts. I mean, granted, fat is good.

[Ferdy Porsche]

We already established.

[Matt Farah]

I had a fabulous time. I mean, this, this is a. The league is for kids of what age?

[Ferdy Porsche]

5 to 17.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. So granted, most of those kids are probably going to be smaller and lighter than me. Having said that, the cart was fabulous. The power was great. The brakes were very predictable. It oversteered on both entry and exit, which I found fabulous. The steering, the normal steering input actually flexed the chassis a bit, which is interesting. And then you can do your normal bend the wheel and really fucking land on the nose. If you bend it more, you can lift the inside front wheel. It was a really nice car to drive. It was a lot of fun and it maintained its pace from the whole. I mean, our races were pretty short, but I don't know how, how long, how long is the battery intended to last in that cart? 20 minute race.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Battery. Yeah. Like we. We basically charge them between. So we have three different sizes of cards just for the different age groups, and we charge them in between. I don't even know, like, maybe half an hour.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, he said it char. It charges from. In about a half hour, it'll charge up. But I don't know if I like, I ran, I don't know, five, six laps of the track. I don't know if that's the length of a race.

[Ferdy Porsche]

No, I think the length of a race is more like 20 minutes, 25 minutes.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So it, it, it for at least as long as I was driving it, it made full power.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, it will make full power the whole time.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

No, no, they're designed to be proper like race carts. And also it's not like the Taycan, for example, that delivers all the torque immediately. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And it builds.

[Ferdy Porsche]

The cart is built to like to, to mimic the power curve of a combustion engine because obviously that's what the kids ideally at some point are able to get into, right? F4, F3, F2. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And on cold tires, the instant torque does you no favors and you know, know, compared to.

[Ferdy Porsche]

And like you can cheat, right? You can cheat yourself out of a corner if you like. If you then go to combustion, like you have to learn how to really drive, right, and keep the revs up and make sure you, you carry as much speed as possible and not just like cheat yourself with like all the power out of the corner.

[Matt Farah]

No, the car, it worked. And left foot braking worked. It doesn't kill all the power. If you left foot brake, you can, you can actually drive the car. It was very, very fun. I had a really nice time. And the new track surface at Willows.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Good. Yeah, mega. The car, the car track looks super cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I mean the whole sort of. So how it works is basically we build hubs all over the place. So we had, we are now at, at three hubs. So we have the original one in the UK where Rob is based, where we already ran three seasons. So this is already the third generation of cart. And we now feel very comfortable that the cart delivers to all the, like to all the standards that we put on it. And then now we expand, basically. So this year we opened two hubs in the states. One in the Indianapolis, this Chicago area, one in Southern California, and then next year another four and the year after eight. So we want to get to 50 hops in the next five years.

[Matt Farah]

Is the Southern California one going to be at Willow Springs?

[Ferdy Porsche]

So a hub usually like goes to many tracks. So it's one geography.

[Matt Farah]

Got it.

[Ferdy Porsche]

But then it goes to many tracks. So you'll find it in like, I think we. In California or in Southern California we have like four or five.

[Matt Farah]

There's another new track, like the K1 outdoor track in like Temecula. That looks really cool. I haven't tried it. It looks pretty sick.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Nice.

[Matt Farah]

But these carts were really fun. I really had a good, good time driving them. Do we have patron people things, Zach? The. Our patron patrons get to ask questions for the show. And let's get to some of them. If you want to ask questions for the show for our guests, catch the live stream, get the show before anybody else. Get the show without ads. Get extra show and more. Such as the show that we did from Willow Springs. Is that up on Patreon?

[Zach]

Not yet.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. It's going to be. We did a show.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Oh, you did one there?

[Matt Farah]

We did one there. It's going up on Patreon. Yeah. We had like Jensen, Sam, Marcus and Marino on the show. It was great. It's pronounced. Porsche says if there was a one stepping stone for a young driver like karting age to get into slick, loose surface style racing, what would that be and where could we get started? Where does a kid learn to drive loose? That's a very. Dirt tracks. I mean you can go to the set. Go, go. You know, lots you can talk about dirt bikes, cross carts.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I think dirt bike ovals, the most accessible. And then you can also drive.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Sorry. Also drive cars on ice. I mean there's some like ice karting tracks.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. And.

[Ferdy Porsche]

But you have to live somewhere close to the mountains or.

[Matt Farah]

And I don't know, I mean, I'm not sure you need a driver. I mean young Dr. Dude. Like cross carts or Sierra cars or. Yeah. Which has to be the best way, right? Or dirt bikes.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Costcob tuning says what driving characteristic must be present for a car to still feel like a Porsche regardless of powertrain or class? That's a very good question.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Steering is good. Steering and braking.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I think are the most important and very Porsche specific attributes to.

[Matt Farah]

I have to agree. Yeah. There's not a car in the lineup that steers badly or stops badly.

[Ferdy Porsche]

That would be bad.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that would be a real problem. Charlie Quirk in feature says tell us about the Porsche boats.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Oh yeah, we did, I think one.

[Matt Farah]

Right. Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I think there is now a collab with Fraucher, which is like an Austrian boat builder and they put like the Macan powertrain ev.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, ev.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Like it's pretty because most of the lakes in Austria, for example, you can drive. Oh really can drive combustion boats.

[Matt Farah]

So that's probably nice.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Bigger and bigger amount.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Because I think. I think it's mostly for the drinking quality of the water and like for. For it to be clean, as clean as possible.

[Matt Farah]

I mean that's probably good. I've never been on a real. A pure EV boat. I'd like to have you been on one. Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

But only a very slow one.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Right.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I haven't Tried ours, but I think there's more of a. There's like. Yeah, there's a bigger and bigger market for this.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they're hybridizing. I mean, they're hybridizing big yachts as well, which is kind of cool where you, you can go in and out of the marinas on electric power. You don't have to idle so much.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Like with the 918, you leave the garage silently. Nobody knows you. Don't annoy your neighbors.

[Zach]

That's cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah. This is cool. The Porsche 850 Phantom. It's cool. I like it. Someone at Porsche let me drive one, please. I'd like to very much like to try one.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Another reason to come to Austria.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I would go to Austria for that liftoff over steering committee. Oh, we just, we talked about this. Which, if any family member cars are most coveted by other family members. If you get.

[Ferdy Porsche]

What does that mean? Like who has the coolest cars?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, who has the coolest cars? Your dad has some pretty cool stuff, right?

[Ferdy Porsche]

My dad has some cool stuff. Ferry Pierre had some really cool stuff. Yeah, because obviously like he was a, for a long time he was a CFO of Volkswagen. So he had like, like the Bugattis, like some pretty cool stuff. Back in the days. Back in the days, My, my, my grandfather's sister, so Louisa, she had like really, really cool specked cars.

[Matt Farah]

Really?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah. Always like funky colors and like interior exterior. Like crazy mashups and that kind of girl.

[Matt Farah]

I like it.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

I like it. Ted Stryker says you can give a non Porsche fan one car for a day to convince them to become a fan of the brand. Brand. What do you give them a GT3 or something like that?

[Ferdy Porsche]

If we're talking modern cars. Yes, you give them a GT3 or.

[Matt Farah]

If they can drive stick a 964Rs.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yes. That's a very good choice, right? Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Or I'll tell you how you. I'll tell you something that really changed my mind about Porsche was the first time I drove a 356 because I'd only driven like cars from the 50s. I'd only driven like American cars which are all, all just shit piles and wobbly. They're just trash. And I drove a 356 and within, it was within about a month of driving a gull wing. And I was like, yo, what were they doing over there in the 50s? Like these cars stop and turn and shift. Nice. Like when I learned that you could just daily a356 without having to give up like anything, I was like, oh, that's. This is a different type of car building.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I once drove the Minamilia with my dad in a speed seat, and it was. It was mega because, like, you. You obviously compete with the Gallowings with the Jaguars of the time, and with all that, like, stuff that has, like, way more horsepower. And the advantage of the 356 is you just, like. You don't have to break in front of the corner. You can just, like, go through it because it's also so light. Right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Those are, like, really cool cars.

[Matt Farah]

They're good.

[Ferdy Porsche]

But maybe for someone who has never driven any other 50s car, like, it's better to start with something new, probably.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

964.

[Matt Farah]

That's what I'm saying. You don't just throw someone in the 50s. But if you really want to be like, how is this different?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You know, drive, like, four or five cars from the 50s.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And one is a 356. And you go, oh, okay. This is like a different fucking thing. Lee Kunkel's Autobahn.

[Ferdy Porsche]

What good names here.

[Matt Farah]

That's. We encourage this. That's from the Big Lebowski. If you had one perfect night to drive any car you wanted, what would it be?

[Ferdy Porsche]

What is.

[Matt Farah]

That's a.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Why does it have to be during the night?

[Matt Farah]

Well, night is different. Night is different.

[Ferdy Porsche]

GT1.

[Matt Farah]

GT1. Oh, come on. That's why. On the Molsan straight, please. Yes. Never tried a GT one.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I've done it once.

[Matt Farah]

Once. 993 or 996.

[Ferdy Porsche]

It was probably 996, and it was the 98. So it's the, like. There's only one street version of the 98 because it's like the silver one. It has the sequential. No, it's white. Sequential gearbox. It's basically the LeMarc car that's wild for the road. It also doesn't have any leather or anything. It was the cool. Like, it was my best day ever.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

That's literally got out of it. I was like, okay, I can die now.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's pretty red.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I don't want to die.

[Matt Farah]

I'll tell you what. At night, if you're talking, but if.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I had to, you go, at least I got to drive last day. Yeah. GT1 again.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Louisiana to Vegas, 2:00am Rolls Royce, not Spectre. If you could do it in one, but, like, Wraith, Starfield ceiling, you know, most expensive stereo option. Just one night. Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

That's yours. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

If I'm going night, I'm not trying to, like, Toge the mountain at night. I want to, you know. Steam train. Steam train.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Dude. I love driving through the Alps. I. I think like. Driving through. Yeah. Like anytime you drive through the Alps, you feel like James Bond. You have a nice car. I don't know. 911R through the Alps.

[Matt Farah]

We like. Exceptional. But we don't go up there at night a lot. It's really dark. Dark.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Really, really dark up there at night. And like there's just nothing else. There's nowhere like to go.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But daytime.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You guys, I'm. The Alps are the best. Absolute best.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Now we had three nights already.

[Matt Farah]

Three nights. Mr. Dr. Thomas Foolery. Oh, no. Anything. He doesn't work there anymore. You can tell us about the EV Cayman Ferdie doesn't work there.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I mean, I could.

[Matt Farah]

But I won't talk after the show. I don't do. Chris from Colorado. Yeah. Why does Porsche not make the Dakar a standard option or trim? They should.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Good question.

[Matt Farah]

Good question. They should. And we have a. We got a friend. He didn't bring it to Willow, but he was out there. A local guy here in LA who built his own Dakar. He ordered all the Dakar suspension and underbody bits and bought a used Carrera 4Rs and basically. Yeah. Yeah. And basically it doesn't have the. The cladding. Yeah. But it has the right wheels and the right suspension and everything.

[Ferdy Porsche]

One of the coolest, modern, great Porsches.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's great. But I, I would use this guy's method to build a manual Dakar, which they won't. I know. Poor. You need Porsche torque vectoring plus to make a Dakar which only comes with pdk. Like. I get it. I still want a stick one. Don't you? Kind of. Of. Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Stick is almost always more fun.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I'd rather. I. I'm like, I'd like a rear drive Carrera T rally car with a stick and a good mechanical diff to like.

[Ferdy Porsche]

There's something unfortunately that like for sure is like. It's just, it's similar to the. To what you said about Mars Manx. It's just. It will make you smile and like the car is maybe not really made for rallying, but it works on like loose surfaces as well on the street.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Jeff's word has proven that a lot. As of other people, of course.

[Matt Farah]

PACIFICA COAST HIGHWAY MOST UNDERRATED pts Color may not photograph well but in person is fantastic. Viola purple metallic looks a lot like black until you stand near it.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Sport classic gray sometimes looks white Sometimes.

[Matt Farah]

Some of those, like, hyper. Whatever the fuck, transitiony ones look real. I don't like, you know, still too much. Much.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I thought. Like, I find that too crazy also. Like, those cars look way better in California somehow than they would in Austria.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, It's Bo Bachman's GT3RS in Super Purple. Probably looks insane in Austria. Yeah.

[Zach]

Is it. Is that a cultural thing where, like, it's just too loud visually, or does it.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I think it's also the lightscape. I think it's also the light and then matches with the landscape. That's also an important feature. And, like, I just. I. I was just in Tokyo. Tokyo. Two weeks ago, and every single color looks good there. You can drive, like, an orange car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Never do in, like, back home. And it looks crazy.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Tokyo is the best backdrop for any car.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, it totally looks better in Tokyo.

[Matt Farah]

That's a. That is actually. That should be a title of somebody's book probably. Like, that's. That's pretty good. Yeah. Have you seen South Seas blue metallic yet? No, that's my new favorite color. It's.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Where is that? Is that an old color?

[Matt Farah]

No, it's a new color. It was new for this year.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Year.

[Matt Farah]

I tried to. I tried to order an ST in it, even though I can't afford an st, and they laughed at me. Really? Yeah. They're like, nice try, buddy.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I think one of the coolest you've only bought. Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I think one of the coolest colors is Copa Florio.

[Matt Farah]

What is that? I don't know.

[Ferdy Porsche]

It's a very light blue.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. How do you spell that?

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah. C, O, P, P, A, fl. Like Florio.

[Matt Farah]

Like, the cup of South Seas is pretty good. Imagine that on an st. That would be pretty nice. Oh, I know this one.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah. You, everybody, GT2.

[Matt Farah]

I know the GT2 in this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

It's sick, dude.

[Matt Farah]

Tim, our. Our buddy Timmy Pappas had that 993 GT2 parked in your corral there, which was. Oh, boy. In that. I forget. Sunoco blue. I think that's Sunoco blue.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Is it?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So no go blue with yellow seat belts, stitching, and calipers.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

993 GT. That's the true.

[Ferdy Porsche]

And I mean this one with all.

[Matt Farah]

Yes, I know this color. Yes. Yeah, that's a great color. Reminds me a little bit of moonstone.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Which is really good. Moonstone's a jam. We had a Moonstone GT4RS here for a minute. It was really cool. Yeah. PTS. Yep. And I will defend. It's not. It's PTS now. It wasn't when I got it. Frozen Berry Metallic is the best.

[Zach]

The rest are just for us.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Zach]

General stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Cool. Okay. So people can enter their kids in the race and sign ups for Southern California.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yes. I mean, well, I mean, somehow it feels like people in California just get cars in general. Like our karting league is like already buzzing. But you can like still sign up. You go to our website.

[Matt Farah]

Let's see the calendar.

[Ferdy Porsche]

You can, you can go to tryouts and then like just see if your kid likes it and if he or she likes it.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, so. So wait. So this is the whole season? Regional championship, pro championship, multiple races, three, $100. Nice.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah. So basically, like, we go from single, like tryout space. The idea is you go to the tryout, you see if it. If you like it or no. And then you just enter your kid into like, you ideally buy a season pass.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Because then you can compete to like take part in the world final, which is going to happen on the 14th of of December at Willow Springs. Oh. So anyone who's out there this weekend, come, we're gonna bring some cool cars.

[Matt Farah]

This 14th of December, Willow Springs. Oh, I'll be there. I'll be there.

[Ferdy Porsche]

And then like, let's help make the kids feel like they're superstars.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, and you're racing at Adams. Adams is fun. Have you been out there?

[Ferdy Porsche]

No, not yet.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, it's a good time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Adams is a great car track and you can do a. You can drift a car on it too.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Really?

[Zach]

Yeah, barely.

[Matt Farah]

Kind of.

[Ferdy Porsche]

People do.

[Matt Farah]

You can. It's impressive. You can and they do. It's a little risky, but we've done it.

[Ferdy Porsche]

So let's do it then.

[Matt Farah]

You can, you can do rent.

[Ferdy Porsche]

When?

[Matt Farah]

Whenever I want. Call them up. Let's go. Yeah, you should check out that other one. Shack and Temecula. I think that would work out for you. Dude, do I have anything else on my list that I wanted to ask you and missed? I don't know. You're cool, man. You should hang out next time you're in town. Definitely. And. And, And. Okay. Ice race in Montana. Same fat international. If they want to enter Ice Race.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And buy tickets to Ice race. It's in Big Sky.

[Ferdy Porsche]

It's in Big Sky. You fly to Bozeman.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

You drive up to Big Sky.

[Matt Farah]

It's going to awesome.

[Ferdy Porsche]

It's going to be mega.

[Matt Farah]

I'm going to be There. Maybe Zach will come.

[Ferdy Porsche]

You know, last time we had a GT1 on the ice. So I have to still figure out what's the sort of one hyper, hyper, hyper thing.

[Zach]

Right. Is the selection process.

[Ferdy Porsche]

We already have so many things. Even like now in Willow Springs. I don't know, like a guy with a Miura came and was like, can I drive my Miura? I'm like, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah. I saw that guy pulling in. Yeah.

[Ferdy Porsche]

No, not that guy.

[Matt Farah]

Another guy. Not the one with the silver one.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, apparently like multiple M. That's cool. So no, like people want to bring some heavy metal. Like I'm excited.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I love ice racing because your land speed is so different from wheel speed. You know, you could be going like wheel speed 80 miles per hour and you're just crawling but sideways and you're.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Having so much fun, you know, like it's the most fun you can have in a car. Apart from maybe sex.

[Matt Farah]

You have to remember to keep your windows closed if you have them though. Cuz you just get. You will get blasted in the face.

[Zach]

It's okay.

[Ferdy Porsche]

One year in Austria, we didn't have that much snow. So like at some point in the afternoon, like we were all through the ice and so the people started to throw up the mud and like people would still like the cars would start to throw up the mud. People were still standing in the corners and were like, yes, give me more. So like it's really like, it's a good thing. People, people really bring the party.

[Matt Farah]

Awesome. I need to get some merch. Cause now that I'm a little less fat, I can wear things that say fat on them for a long time. I would definitely not wear anything that said fat on it. But now I think I can.

[Ferdy Porsche]

That's fat Turbo. I think you can.

[Matt Farah]

That's better. Yeah, I can do that. Yeah, I can do that. Because I'm fat but not slow and yeah, I can't wait to do Montana. It's gonna be great. Put some sp. What size spikes do I want?

[Ferdy Porsche]

7 mil.

[Matt Farah]

7 mil.

[Ferdy Porsche]

That's the maximum we allow. So I think that like means you have a lot of.

[Zach]

Get those cheater spikes from Colorado. They're like this long.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I gotta call Zwart's guy. The ones. The ones that look like the ones that they put in the hubs of really angry truck drivers.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Please don't.

[Matt Farah]

Thanks, Fernie. It's good. It's good to have you.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Likewise.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I can't wait to hang in montana. And then December 14th at Willow Springs for the Karting championship and maybe have. Maybe we'll convince them to let us do some other fun things while we're out there that day.

[Ferdy Porsche]

We should.

[Matt Farah]

We should.

[Ferdy Porsche]

No, I want to get the kids into the seats also and like, kind of like take them around.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah. Oh, we can get. Yeah, we can do that. Yeah, yeah, we can do that too. We'll ask. We'll ask the suits. I'm sure they'll be.

[Ferdy Porsche]

I thought there are no suits in California.

[Matt Farah]

The suits don't wear suits. But there's. They act like sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just go surfing with their M5 before. Work the board out the sunroof, you know, before they tell you why you can't do something.

[Ferdy Porsche]

They do sound like cool suits.

[Matt Farah]

It's. They're better than the New York suits sometimes. Yeah, yeah, they're chiller.

[Ferdy Porsche]

What's cool in New York or la?

[Matt Farah]

What's cooler? No, like. Like New York. The people are. Are. Are like, more interested probably. But LA is better for cars by.

[Ferdy Porsche]

100%, by a lot. You don't drive in New York, do you?

[Matt Farah]

Not in New York City. The suburbs of New York are great for driving. Connecticut, Greenwich. The fuck is fabulous for driving. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You should open a store there.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yeah, 100%. You should.

[Matt Farah]

Let's go.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Fab. Should be everywhere.

[Matt Farah]

All major markets coming soon. Thank you to our patrons for asking such good questions today. Really appreciate you. Please come hang out with us on December 14th at Willow Springs and in Montana in February. That's gonna be rad. My car will sound like a biplane at three miles an hour.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Yay.

[Matt Farah]

Thanks for coming in, man. And please go buy some merch, because that's really what they're doing over here. They're moving units. See you guys next time. Bye.

[Ferdy Porsche]

Bye.