Zach Klapman (3:34)

Right. Unless they're going to provide lessons if.

Matt Farah (3:36)

You'Re going to turn alphanumeric into words, which is fine. I don't have to say it in Italian. I can say 12 cylindri or 12C. Everyone's just gonna say 12C. No one's gonna. No one's gonna.

Zach Klapman (3:48)

What does it say on the back on the dash?

Matt Farah (3:52)

It says the number 12 and then the word cylindry.

Zach Klapman (3:56)

Okay, so you are reading it as written.

Matt Farah (3:58)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can say 12. I don't need to translate 12.

Zach Klapman (4:01)

You're reading it as written in your language.

Matt Farah (4:02)

I guess the numbers don't need to be verbally translated into their native tongues. I can't offend the 12 family by this. So Ferrari's naming scheme. When do you think Ferrari's. I mean, their naming scheme seemed to make a little more sense back in the day. Now, some of their cars are sort of silly names, I think, like Purosangua, like this and Purosangua and this new Testarossa thing that really isn't a Testarossa. They called the SP3 a Daytona knowing they were coming out with like a Daytona throwback look alike type car. That's kind of weird, right?

Zach Klapman (4:42)

That should have been the new Daytona.

Matt Farah (4:44)

Like that could have just been SP3, something, something. You know what I mean? Anything, really.

Zach Klapman (4:51)

Just call it SP3.

Matt Farah (4:52)

SP3 is fine. But like this is so obviously a Daytona throwback, you know, styling. Anyway, they could have. This could have easily been Daytona. But whatever, notwithstanding, you know, mechanically fairly similar to the 812 superf front mid v12. So you have this very long wheelbase and you sit just in front of the rear axle and the entire motor is behind the front axle. Which is pretty cool. And same as the Vanquish. The new Vanquish is like that also. And the 812 was like that before. And you get a very, very unique driving experience when you have that type of setup. Because it turns in the way like a mid engine supercar turns in. It's just that you're sitting on a different axle. You're not on the front axle now, you're on the back axle. So it's this very sharp turn in that's happening over there. And it pulls like a fucking cigarette boat. Obviously it's 819 horsepower, but get this power band right, 819 horsepower at 9250 RPM. Red line's 9500. Okay. And 500 pound feet of torque at 7250. So you have a power band, you have a redline line of 9,500. And peak power is happening at two of that. The very top two. Okay. So when you do a compare that to the Vanquish, which at this price point, numbers don't matter. No one's racing a fucking one of these things, right. This car is about how it feels. And so even though your peak power and your peak torque are way up there, it's not like it doesn't make power and torque. Like, it's still pretty quick even if you don't like rev the shit out of it. But you do have to like kind of rev it. Like it has. It has nothing below 3000 RPM, which is hilarious.

Zach Klapman (6:52)

So I was trying to find a dyno graph and I didn't, but I found one for the V12 FF. So it's an evolution of it. But like. Yeah, I mean, the power just like nothing, nothing, nothing until we get way up in the rev range.

Matt Farah (7:04)

Yeah.

Zach Klapman (7:05)

You know, as you'd expect.

Matt Farah (7:07)

Interesting. And what is the other line, I think?

Zach Klapman (7:11)

Oh, this is a tuning company. So I think yellow is stock and they tuned it. And then, you know, you've got, I.

Matt Farah (7:17)

Don'T know, is that torque?

Zach Klapman (7:18)

Is this torque? It starts at 600.

Matt Farah (7:19)

That can't be right. I don't know what that is. I'm confused.

Zach Klapman (7:23)

Okay, nevermind.

Matt Farah (7:25)

I'm confused. So the Vanquish, right, has 838 horsepower, I think at 6250 RPM. And a redline's, I think, 77,075. And then has peak torque is 738 at 2500. So it has way more torque for a much wider power band. Okay, so numbers Wise like the Vanquish is like quote better. Okay. The Vanquish wants to jump out of its own tires all the time. Whereas this is a like a linear build. The whole car exists to serve this engine. Still existing.

Zach Klapman (8:10)

It's the same comparison we had with Purosangue. And like dbx. DBX felt faster because you get hit with power, torque, whatever. The acceleration really starts earlier and then you have to rev the hell out of the Ferrari. But you do it because it's fun, right?

Matt Farah (8:26)

It's a different character of a car. So, you know, the good thing is It's a fucking NA V12 that makes almost as much power as aston's Twin Turbo V12. And it revs even higher. It makes a crazy sound. It's not very loud below like 6,000.

Zach Klapman (8:45)

Wow.

Matt Farah (8:46)

It's quiet. I think it's got, it's euroed up.

Zach Klapman (8:49)

Oh, right, right, right. Yeah.

Matt Farah (8:50)

This is a US spec car, but I think they just make them the same. So like we may need an aftermarket exhaust, ideally one with a valve because like this Vol good for like the quiet mode.

Zach Klapman (9:03)

Did this have a valve exhaust? Really?

Matt Farah (9:05)

No.

Zach Klapman (9:06)

Okay.

Matt Farah (9:07)

So this car has surprisingly little stuff. Like things you don't get for 600,000 bucks. You don't get adjustable seats other than forward, back up, down and the angle, like you don't get lumbar. You don't get no heated seats, by the way. Heated steering wheel but no heated seats. Okay. Actually the seats are for this kind of car and this kind of price. The seats are not good. Straight up, they're not good. They just. I need some lumbar.

Zach Klapman (9:42)

What was the price of this one? Because MSRP on this is 465.

Matt Farah (9:46)

So the spider. This is a Spider. The spider starts at 510 and this one starts with a six.

Zach Klapman (9:53)

And it still had just what, six way seats or whatever.

Matt Farah (9:56)

Yeah. So not heated and cooled and no lumbar. And the lumbar really at that, you know. Come on. So the other thing is also sort of like the Vanquish to have this front mid V12. You have this big, long, dramatic looking car with no leg room. So I have a 31 inch inseam. I'm tall, but not that tall and my legs aren't that long. You know what I mean? I'm like, I have like a longer torso than I do legs. My legs aren't that long. I don't have enough leg room in this car. So I drove it the last four days. I drove it about 300 miles and my Hips and lower back are like pretty shot. Which this car and the Vanquish are not like GTs. Like just cause the engine in the front, they're not a gt. Like they have basically the same level of practicality as a Revuelto. They just are inverted. The small trunk. Not a lot of legroom. Not particularly practical cars. They just happen to look like this happens to look like a gt. But a Roma or the new Amalfi would probably be a better GT car. Has more legroom. The Bentley GT or the DB12 would be a better GT car. Like substantially more cabin space and comfort. Shit. But in the sort of rarefied air of big daddy experiences. Because you drove the 812.

Zach Klapman (11:22)

I did statue Sarah. I took my wife for a ride and she talks about it.

Matt Farah (11:28)

It's extremely nasty. And now that there really aren't a lot of these front engine nasty type exotic cars anymore, everyone's sort of going mid engine now. It's a unique thing. I think it looks better in person than it does in photos. I think it looks better with the top down. I would certainly have the top and the rear deck lid painted to match the body color. I don't like them in black at all. The nose bit which is bare carbon, not black on this car. I don't mind that. And actually the more I look at the front, the more I think they actually were pretty successful in nailing the front of the Daytona. The back a little less so.

Zach Klapman (12:11)

Yeah, I mean I saw it at the shop on Saturday and it was the only one I've seen in person. I didn't drive it today with you. I had to do some stuff and I think the front looks very good. It does nail the Daytona and it's got this like just nice organic kind of simple shape to it. But the back is really busy. It's the same thing that like Aston did with a couple of the vantage generations. You get back there and there's just like diffusers and plenums and carbon and stuff. And some of it's functional but some of it is a design choice. And I just feel like so much of Ferrari's good design right now like 296. 296 is a good example. It's just smooth and looks like it could have been drawn in the 60s before they started adding on all this carbon.

Matt Farah (12:50)

This one I really need to see one with body colored black bit on the back, the rear deck lid, the trunk in black. It makes absolutely no sense.

Zach Klapman (12:59)

It does in solely.

Matt Farah (13:00)

Yeah. And it's Plastic, no less. So having said that, it rides really nicely. It has that very sharp steering. This car inspired me to really drive like an asshole on the highway. I've really in my old age have calmed down a lot on my highway driving. Unless I'm driving really fast EVs I still drive like a dick. And for some reason this car I think. Cause people already look at you like you're kind of an asshole when you're driving it. You might as well live up to it but you have to rev the shit out of it. And what's funny is it's got like pretty short gears actually. But because the power band is so high like you're just ripping. You're screaming the engine like all the time. And it's got a high top speed and it's got a lot of gear but it also has so many revs. It's like really funny what gear you find yourself in and wear. But if you're under 6ft tall or under 30 inch inseam and don't have a lot of luggage to carry around, these things are fucking boss. This is a. Oh hello.

Zach Klapman (14:17)

I found one that had. I was looking for the paint match rear.

Matt Farah (14:20)

Oh this is so much better. Zach found one. Okay. With a body colored rear bonnet, rear trunk bonnet. It looks infinitely better.

Zach Klapman (14:29)

Took way too long to find that by the way.

Matt Farah (14:30)

Well this is guy. This is someone's custom job. I bet this might not be factory. It also has some cool wheels on it. I was thinking that the throwback that I would want in this because I don't really love these wheels either. I would want either the HRE Chromadora throwback style which is like the Ferrari F40. The 5 star. That HRE would look sick on this or I was gonna say if you could get something that kind of looked like a wire wheel. And this BBS style does kind of a little bit look like a wire wheel.

Zach Klapman (15:03)

But you want more spokes with the wires.

Matt Farah (15:06)

Well, I don't have the answer for what that wheel would look like. I just thought on the way over. Here I go. I think it would look nice with something that resembled the Barani wire wheel. But I don't know how you would do that effectively in a wheel today that would hold up to Ferrari G loads.

Zach Klapman (15:24)

That's a good point. Especially with the size of brakes and everything.

Matt Farah (15:27)

But you could definitely do it with the HRE 5 stars and they would look amazing. Those look really. They're meant for Ferrari. That could be really cool. But I mean so okay. And here's a weird thing. You want to hear a fucking weird thing? Folks gotta take a quick break because HelloFresh is here. You may have heard of HelloFresh from people like me. They're the number one meal kit in America, making home cooking easier with chef crafted recipes and fresh ingredients delivered straight to your door. But this fall, they're serving up even more to love. This isn't the Hellofresh you remember. It's bigger because HelloFresh has doubled its menu with up to 100 options each week, including new seasonal dishes and recipes from around the world. Dig into bigger portions that'll keep everyone satisfied. Plus it's healthier. Feel great with an even healthier menu. Choose from 15 high protein recipes each week with options like grass fed ribeyes or lamb chops. 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It opens when you're getting into the car, it opens when you're getting out of the car. I would frequently come to a stop, put the car in park, and a light would come up that says trunk open. And my trunk would be open.

Zach Klapman (22:04)

And where was the fob when that would happen?

Matt Farah (22:06)

So I controlled for this. I thought, oh, it must be hitting something in my pocket. Took everything else in my pocket. Still did it. Took the fob out of my pocket, put it in the center console. Still did it.

Zach Klapman (22:17)

Okay, so definitely an electrical ghost in the machine.

Matt Farah (22:21)

This car had 200 miles on it when I got it.

Zach Klapman (22:22)

Yeah.

Matt Farah (22:23)

Ghost in the machine. Okay. And sometimes it would open while I was driving and it wouldn't like open. It would just like, the catch would release.

Zach Klapman (22:31)

Right. As if you had hit the button.

Matt Farah (22:32)

As if I hit the button. Yeah.

Zach Klapman (22:34)

And it did. While you're moving.

Matt Farah (22:35)

Sometimes it did while I was moving from one drive to the next. And then sometimes it did it. I would park and then it would open and then sometimes it would be. I would go to. I had like got out to move cameras for drive bys. And I'd go to get back in it and I'd go to put it in gear to drive away and it would flash and say, trunk open. Like. Like I got to the point where I had to check the trunk before and after every single drive. And also, like, I didn't trust, like leaving shit in there.

Zach Klapman (23:04)

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Matt Farah (23:05)

You know what I mean?

Zach Klapman (23:05)

What if it opened itself once you walked away, even though you hit lock.

Matt Farah (23:08)

Yeah, like Ghost in the Machine, dude.

Zach Klapman (23:10)

It's very strange that if you try to go from park to drive, it would say, hey, the trunk's open. But if you are driving, it goes, yeah, sure.

Matt Farah (23:17)

It also, it had like a. I think it may not have been properly PDI'd because had a bunch of like pop up windows, you know, like not connected to network, not connected to account kind of thing. Like, like there's clearly you have to make some kind of Ferrari account that you can like. Porsche does this too. My dad's been arguing with his. As much as he loves his Cayenne, the fucking pop up windows about logging into his Porsche account are constant. It's like a. It's like a nightmare that never ends with his fucking car, by the way. It never happens with me. I like logged into my car. I have the account like he does, you know, but he's 70, he doesn't.

Zach Klapman (23:55)

Want to do it.

Matt Farah (23:55)

Fucking. What is he. He doesn't want an app to talk to a car. Most people don't.

Zach Klapman (24:00)

Well, you need trunk app, Ferrari trunk app specifically. And then it'll stay closed.

Matt Farah (24:03)

This one was crazy. And then the other weird one is about half the time I'd fire it up. There's three screens, gauge cluster screen, center screen, and then there's a passenger screen also. So the dash is screens and the center screen, every once in a while, maybe a third of the time would take maybe 90 seconds to 2 minutes to boot up past the image of a horse. Now that's like slightly problematic, right?

Zach Klapman (24:35)

Pretty slow.

Matt Farah (24:35)

Yeah. Here's where it becomes very problematic. The nose lift is a touchscreen button in that screen. So I can't leave my house, I can't get out of my driveway until that screen boots up. I'm sitting there.

Zach Klapman (24:51)

Is that also where the backup camera is?

Matt Farah (24:54)

No, the backup camera is in the center gauge cluster.

Zach Klapman (24:56)

Okay, okay, that would be double problematic, but still, that limits how quickly you can move.

Matt Farah (25:01)

Yeah, like, I need that nose lift to get that car into my driveway without scraping. And like, I complained about one of the ways this car definitively beat at least the Vanquish I drove. I should really call Aston Martin and see if that's an option on the Vanquish. I was just shocked that it wasn't on the press car if it was, because the fucking scraped everywhere and this car scrapes nowhere. Cause it has it. But like, sometimes you get in the car, you're sitting there, the thing is just a horse, and you're like, I'd like to get out of this driveway.

Zach Klapman (25:32)

Oh. I was trying to remember which car I drove recently that had a slow startup and it was the Mustang, Dark horse that we had like a few weeks ago. And it was not. It wasn't 90 seconds, but it was like, turn it on and you gotta wait for like 30 full seconds. And that backup camera is in the center screen.

Matt Farah (25:49)

Yeah.

Zach Klapman (25:49)

So you're kind of stuck there for a minute.

Matt Farah (25:52)

When shit doesn't boot up quick. That's a little bit annoying. But like, look, we're not. Nobody buys. I'm just. It's weird to drive this expensive, exotic, incredibly performing car and then be complaining about silly shit like this. It's not gonna keep anybody from buying the car. But this is my experience.

Zach Klapman (26:13)

But I also think a lot of commenters and I mean, I feel this, like when you're spending this much money.

Matt Farah (26:17)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Zach Klapman (26:17)

And it has these weird little hiccups that, you know, you think should be caught in qc.

Matt Farah (26:22)

Well, and like you always gotta give up something to drive a Ferrari, you know. Used to be some things used to be like really bad things. You had to give up your dignity, suck up to Enzo or whatever and he building race cars. He, like openly didn't give a fuck about you. Like, crazy stuff. Bad build quality. In the 70s, everything now. Now, like the cars, like run and drive. They don't overheat. Like, they're. They're overwhelmingly very reliable cars. They're building now. They really are.

Zach Klapman (26:54)

And they give you the unlimited warranty.

Matt Farah (26:55)

Yeah, they give you the beast of a warranty. This one is a. No, it's 3 year unlimited mile warranty with 7 year unlimited mile included. Maintenance. I'm sure you can extend the warranty, but that's what this one. I just read it last night and that's what this one comes with. And we're talking about a pretty wonderful thing in any way that one might say it. But it's also. You still gotta give up a little something. Shit's gonna be weird. We just don't know how yet. It's funny the ways that we discover in which these cars end up being weird. But like, man, does it fucking fly. It's really, really fun. It's. I think I want to say that it's a real treat particularly to have that engine. I mean, that engine is a very. The smoothness of it, you know, the sound of it is incredibly unique. It sounds very different from Aston's engine, which is more of a bass to a very high pitched thing. It definitely needs some pipes. It Was really nice with the top down. I made the video with the top down today. It was great with the top down.

Zach Klapman (28:12)

I hadn't seen the interior, so I just wanted to pull that up.

Matt Farah (28:14)

Yeah, it's a lot of screen and for a huge car on the outside, it's 10 inches longer than a 911. It's actually 3 inches shorter than a Bentley GT. But a Bentley GT has a full back seat. A Bentley GT has a lot, a lot, lot more leg room.

Zach Klapman (28:37)

It's just funny, it shows you what proportions because this car looks low, probably is lower at roof height than a Bentley gt. And so it actually looks much longer, I think.

Matt Farah (28:47)

Well, and the cabin, if you go back to that side profile shot like from my Instagram, the cabin of event of other Instagram, the cabin of a Bentley GT would extend further forward. Like where the horse is here, right at the base of the windshield on the shield. That windshield would probably go quite a few inches further.

Zach Klapman (29:09)

Yeah. The dash to axle on this must be a record setter.

Matt Farah (29:14)

Yeah, it's way out there. Yeah. So it creates that very exotic proportion.

Zach Klapman (29:21)

So I think the only thing that has a, you know, stranger ratio from like cabin to front wheel is the Morgan where you are like on sitting on the rear diff. You're not quite there here, but you're close.

Matt Farah (29:30)

Yeah.

Zach Klapman (29:31)

Enormous vehicle. Yeah. They're so cool though. The 812 speaking just anything with.

Matt Farah (29:37)

Did you know, speaking of Morgan, I hope I don't blow up her spot. Corinne, what's the right way to say this? I want to say it without like formerly corporate is now fully Korean.

Zach Klapman (29:48)

Oh yeah, Korean. Okay. I don't want to be like dead.

Matt Farah (29:50)

Naming, but for the radio audience I feel that's an okay thing to say because I'm describing who the fuck we're talking about. Yes. Got a Morgan Aero 8.

Zach Klapman (30:00)

Really?

Matt Farah (30:01)

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Zach Klapman (34:17)

I did not know that she posts so many cars. I thought it was just another thing.

Matt Farah (34:21)

She was just thinking about. Oh, it's pretty, pretty sick. I don't think it's quite ready for prime time, but it's like, it just needs like your basic, you know, BMW V8. It's been sitting for a while, maintenance. It's a BMW 4.4 in that thing.

Zach Klapman (34:38)

That's good.

Matt Farah (34:39)

Which is pretty sweet.

Zach Klapman (34:40)

Yeah, yeah, it came in the X5.

Matt Farah (34:42)

Yeah, it's a basic. Yeah. And she was like, yo, fucking. If it shits out. Like they're just, they're around. Yeah, if it shits out, you can get a fucking M5 engine or something and have a good time.

Zach Klapman (34:53)

That's true.

Matt Farah (34:54)

Yeah. It's a stick.

Zach Klapman (34:55)

Same footprint. Oh, that's cool.

Matt Farah (34:56)

Isn't that cool, dude? Having a Morgan Aero8 or anything from the Aero range in America, there's like 50, 60 of those maybe in the entire country. Jeff Dunham has one and it fucking rules.

Zach Klapman (35:12)

They look stunning.

Matt Farah (35:13)

I drove one in England. It was fabulous.

Zach Klapman (35:15)

They do something that only I think Spiker does where it's like they look like they're from the future and the past at the same time.

Matt Farah (35:20)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they do. It's real great Gatsby shit rolling around in one of those things. That view, I mean, that view is incredible. And the three little windshield wipers, you see that shit. The windshield is so shaped in a way that you can't. The two can't arc properly. So you need the three. Oh, it's so great. I'M telling you, you haven't fucking lived until you've rolled one of these things around the country side. This is, like, so good. These should be a million dollars.

Zach Klapman (35:53)

Yeah, they should.

Matt Farah (35:54)

Yeah, they probably will be.

Zach Klapman (35:56)

What do these cost now?

Matt Farah (35:57)

Well, this one we were looking at on the screen is a super sport. So this is like the fastest, highest performance, like the last one they did.

Zach Klapman (36:05)

What did she get again?

Matt Farah (36:06)

Just the Arrow eight, which is the. The original, the earlier, like, roadster one. Yeah, like, pretty much like that. The convertible one. Yeah. Which is fucking amazing. I mean, they're super, super rare. Oh, that's the super sports, man. Keep getting you keep taking us back to the super sports. I know where your fucking head is at. Go down third row, second in that one. That's an Arrow eight.

Zach Klapman (36:31)

Yeah.

Matt Farah (36:33)

From Cars and Bids, where my NSX will be soon. Yeah. So here you go. See the BMW shifter there? But like, are you fucking kidding me? That is fabulous.

Zach Klapman (36:44)

Yo, dog, we heard you like rear lights, so we gave you 1, 2, 3, 4, 8.

Matt Farah (36:51)

Yeah, and look, just because it's got a BMW engine, it has a bangle butt.

Zach Klapman (36:55)

It does a bit.

Matt Farah (36:56)

It has a bit of a bangle butt. Yeah. That's okay. The direct rear is not its best angle. There we go. Side profile, no notes. Front three quarter, no notes.

Zach Klapman (37:08)

Oh, but again, look. So, you know, door to front axle does beat, just slightly injury, but. Yeah, man, that's cool.

Matt Farah (37:18)

Barely. Fucking rad, right? I hope I didn't just blow up her spot. I hope it wasn't a secret. Don't tell me your secrets at a car show. I'm gonna talk about them on the podcast.

Zach Klapman (37:27)

I'm sorry, there's no embargo on that. Yeah, I don't think.

Matt Farah (37:29)

I don't think so. I hope it wasn't a secret.

Zach Klapman (37:32)

Unless she didn't tell her wife, and her wife listens to the show.

Matt Farah (37:36)

That would be problematic, I think. I think they know.

Zach Klapman (37:40)

I think it's the only trouble she can get in.

Matt Farah (37:42)

Right. I've gotten in trouble before. I don't want to get in trouble again. So that's the 12C. There's a video. I think it was a beautiful morning this morning. So I was by myself, but it should look pretty decent. And. Zach, wait, you went to a track day in your BMW?

Zach Klapman (38:00)

Oh, did we not talk about that either?

Matt Farah (38:03)

I don't think so. I want to know how the track was a week ago and how your car survived.

Zach Klapman (38:07)

Oh, we haven't talked about that.

Matt Farah (38:08)

No, because we had, like, guests and we Did. Yeah.

Zach Klapman (38:11)

Let me pull up this on oop. Nope, nope. This? This? Yeah. I went to, like, influencer day at Willow Springs.

Matt Farah (38:21)

That's the best kind of track day.

Zach Klapman (38:22)

It was absolutely the best kind of track day. Short of renting it, actually. Renting yourself is good because you get access, and you can just like, put a camera person wherever you want. We couldn't quite do that. This was so good. You know, quickly, like, humble brag. Like, 12 people. I think Vin Andotra was there. Jeremiah from Big Time, Sonja. Oh, my God, it's Firefox. And a couple people I had not met before. Jay Z2Cents was there with his crazy AMG GT R Pro. And so they had us out there to basically drive on the new track. The newly resurfaced streets of Willow. Check it out. Talk about how the track looks a little bit, how it feels, et cetera, et cetera. So. So stuff we'd seen when we toured the facility at the Willow Springs event, but we weren't allowed to drive there. So, yeah, Vin was there with his GT3RS and his giveaway E92M3, trying to see which one is a better track performer. And a couple people had GT4 RSS. I definitely had the least expensive vehicle for sure, but I don't really give a A because I finally got to take my, you know, KW Club sports with sway bars, all the things that have shaken the interior apart for two years.

Matt Farah (39:40)

This is the other side of that.

Zach Klapman (39:41)

This is the other side of it, yeah. So the surface is great. I'm sure you remember that. Like, after the bowl, it used to be almost potholes. Like, there was a section where it was like, a crashy skin, very patchy.

Matt Farah (39:54)

And then you go over the blind crest with the fucking dead. Dead man's hole.

Zach Klapman (39:59)

Yeah, there was that. So now we were using, like, a bus stop. So we'd get to that point, dip right, and then come back left. The new bus stop is kind of slippery. Like, the tarmac is so new that I noticed there that the. The Bridgestone tires I have on, which are, like, super sticky everywhere else coming through there, they were like little. Little grease.

Matt Farah (40:18)

So that's the Drifto corner.

Zach Klapman (40:20)

That would be the Drifto corner if we were allowed to do that. I'll get to a story about that soon. Soon. The runoff is so nice to have in a car. I understand people are concerned about motorcycles. They're gonna have air fences set up eventually. But for me, like, the speeds I'm.

Matt Farah (40:36)

Doing, the problem that motorcyclists have that. They don't want Kong. Paved runoff. They want gravel runoff, and that's what. And they're doing paved runoff.

Zach Klapman (40:44)

No, the motorcyclists have shared concern because on the bowl and two turns. No, three turns before the bowl, there's like, the tire wall is close for them to the edge of the track.

Matt Farah (40:58)

I see.

Zach Klapman (40:58)

You know, on a motorcycle, you want to be able to low side and slide as far as possible until you come to a stop.

Matt Farah (41:03)

Yeah.

Zach Klapman (41:04)

Right. Now, if you rode a motorcycle there and went down in either of those corners, like, you're probably gonna slide into those walls.

Matt Farah (41:10)

Okay.

Zach Klapman (41:11)

They're not super high speed corners, but momentum is momentum.

Matt Farah (41:14)

Yeah.

Zach Klapman (41:15)

So they're playing.

Matt Farah (41:15)

Nobody likes to hit a wall wall.

Zach Klapman (41:17)

No, they're gonna have air fences they put out for that to, like, you know that. To catch you. Yeah. But I just wanted to address that because it's been a comment on, like, every single post about this track. But the surface is great. I mean, it is like bowling alley level everywhere. It's really, really good. I like what they did. That big bottom turn that used to kind of just dump into the skid pad area and was very much, choose your own adventure. Yeah. Now they've kind of got some paint down, which I like, helps guide it a little bit.

Matt Farah (41:47)

Track limits. There are track limits.

Zach Klapman (41:50)

There are painted track limits.

Matt Farah (41:51)

So some people, you know, some guys who I talk to that are like, pros, you know, really like the choose your own adventure element of that.

Zach Klapman (42:00)

I can understand that. Because then they can find the trick.

Matt Farah (42:03)

Yeah. I mean, you know, if you talk to TK or you talk to Pat Long or these guys probably. Yeah, they've all. By the way, Taylor, he just said. He just said, spec Boxster. Track record at Big Willow.

Zach Klapman (42:17)

This dude.

Matt Farah (42:17)

This kid is so goddamn fast driving.

Zach Klapman (42:19)

He's like, I saw that three days after I was there, and I was like, I don't. I'm not that dude.

Matt Farah (42:25)

He's so good at driving.

Zach Klapman (42:27)

Yeah. So here. This you can kind of see now where they've got, like, the new, like.

Matt Farah (42:31)

Ripping a fucking SP3. All right.

Zach Klapman (42:33)

Cool. Surface is great. Paint looks amazing. Obviously, the building facilities are a huge improvement.

Matt Farah (42:41)

Yeah, that building is nice now. It's almost a little too nice.

Zach Klapman (42:46)

It does feel.

Matt Farah (42:47)

It's like a little too nice for a track.

Zach Klapman (42:50)

You feel like you can't be any kind of dirtbag.

Matt Farah (42:53)

Right.

Zach Klapman (42:54)

Which is funny.

Matt Farah (42:55)

That's funny. It really works for opening day. You know what I mean? But for track day, when you're really sweaty and in a Driving suit. It's a little too nice.

Zach Klapman (43:08)

Yeah. You know, if you're like ripping. I don't know. It's a funny thing to step into the world where the bar is just the wood and the brass fittings and everything. Like, really nicely done.

Matt Farah (43:16)

The way they do it at the fancy schmancy clubs is basically, they have a really nice outdoor area, you know, with like swamp chillers and like the fridges and the fans and. And, you know, like. So when you're nasty, you're really chilling like out there.

Zach Klapman (43:36)

Yeah.

Matt Farah (43:36)

You're not.

Zach Klapman (43:37)

Then you go to the locker room.

Matt Farah (43:38)

The inside. Yeah. Then you go straight to the locker room. You're not really going in that inside building. That's like, for parties and shit.

Zach Klapman (43:45)

I think they did a great job with the building. Cause they had it. There was a standing building.

Matt Farah (43:48)

Yeah, it was like a piece of junk. And it's way better now.

Zach Klapman (43:51)

Yeah, it was like, for sure just this side of a milk crate. Really? Yeah.

Matt Farah (43:55)

Was anyone timing their laps?

Zach Klapman (43:57)

Yes.

Matt Farah (43:58)

Okay.

Zach Klapman (43:58)

Uh, I think most of the people there, so. Oh, Larry Chen was there with his Time Attack GR86 turbocharged car. Um, I overheard this guy, Jake, he's a twitch streamer. Um, he's got a red GT4s. He was timing his laps. JZ2 cents was timing his laps. And I think Vin was. I think because Vin was doing a.

Matt Farah (44:17)

Video to compare GT3RS for his M3 thing. Was he doing?

Zach Klapman (44:22)

Yeah, he's got this giveaway E92, and he's like, let's see how the times can be.

Matt Farah (44:26)

Dude. We were one of them. HPD cars that they had at Coda was this gutted E92 on suspension and good tires. It fucking ripped. It did rip. It was pretty fun. It was not as fast as the club sport we were driving.

Zach Klapman (44:41)

We got a weight difference for sure, right?

Matt Farah (44:43)

Yeah. It was faster in the straights, but it was not as good in the corners. But it was fun as hell and it sounded awesome.

Zach Klapman (44:49)

I could hear him clearly from the back bowl.

Matt Farah (44:53)

Yeah.

Zach Klapman (44:53)

I mean, it was just. The sound would carry across the land. And it sounds like a tight 5 liter Mustang or something. It's so loud and so good. And then. And he's looking at my car, he's like, man, your car looks great. He goes, these things are awesome when they work, but they so frequently don't. And then he looks at the E92 and he's like, you do the bearings and you do the throttle position sensors. He's like. And you just drive it and I was.

Matt Farah (45:15)

I mean, they're open throttle. Shout out to them. They're using these motherfuckers as endurance race cars. I mean, they are running E92 M3s with stock DCT powertrains as 8 hour endurance race cars. And they're not like perfect, apparently. They break sometimes, but they regularly finish races and sometimes win them. It's pretty impressive.

Zach Klapman (45:42)

They're rad, they're big. And I like them from some angles and not from others. But I did enter the giveaway because I want that car and I'm going to win it. That's what I just keep.

Matt Farah (45:50)

I mean, look, to get one for five doll, like. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Zach Klapman (45:54)

You know, you get a license plate frame and we get a track car. Oh, yeah, there it is. Oh, what was this guy's name? Camera. This guy does a ton of stuff with skylines. Tommy F. Yeah, no, no, somebody else. But there was like, he pulled up behind me on the track and I thought it was the be built by legends car for a second.

Matt Farah (46:12)

Oh, yeah.

Zach Klapman (46:12)

But the winner of the day. The winner of the day.

Matt Farah (46:15)

Is that a fucking iroc? Like a. Like a.

Zach Klapman (46:19)

So this is Jeremiah from Big Time, formerly at Donut. He shows up in this F250, rolls this off of an open trailer. And I was like, dude, did someone just roll out of the Winston cup time machine Intro for this thing. This car had a no joke, five or six inch exhaust coming out of the passenger door.

Matt Farah (46:38)

Eight into one.

Zach Klapman (46:39)

Yeah, eight into one.

Matt Farah (46:40)

Yeah.

Zach Klapman (46:41)

And he'd been there for a couple hours and Larry hadn't heard it run. And Larry Chen's walking past it right when he starts it, and Larry goes, whoa. And just looks at it, takes his phone out of his pocket. I mean, it sounded like the way it looks. It sounded like absolute old school Trans Am car. Yeah, this is. This is a former race car. It has the giant balloon tires, pretty small wheels. It's a dog box transmission. He said he bought it for like $30,000. This is his.

Matt Farah (47:08)

Used to race against something like this.

Zach Klapman (47:10)

Car was the shit. It passed me a number of times on track. Some of my best moments we're just seeing in the rear view and going, I'm staying out for one more lap just to get the shot of this thing going.

Matt Farah (47:20)

Wow, that's pretty cool, dude. For cheap, dude, there's, you know, old Trans Am cars and old nascars and shit. It's not about buying them, it's about, you know, keeping them running and safe and, you know, stuff like that. But you can you can buy into that shit for nothing.

Zach Klapman (47:37)

He said it. He said it was pretty cheap to get, but running it, it's kind of expensive.

Matt Farah (47:42)

Yeah.

Zach Klapman (47:42)

Finding the tires for this thing.

Matt Farah (47:44)

God, does it look incredible, though. I bet that's a fucking good time.

Zach Klapman (47:49)

He seemed to be having a lot of fun.

Matt Farah (47:50)

AIMSA GT1 Camaro. Yeah.

Zach Klapman (47:53)

I think he turned the most laps. I mean, it sounds like absolute war.

Matt Farah (47:56)

It's crazy. Yeah.

Zach Klapman (48:00)

My car a little bit slower than his.

Matt Farah (48:03)

Yeah.

Zach Klapman (48:03)

But did great. There will be asterisks, of course, but, like, the suspension, everything finally put to good use.

Matt Farah (48:10)

Yeah.

Zach Klapman (48:11)

Makes all the sense in the world.

Matt Farah (48:12)

Like.

Zach Klapman (48:12)

Like, car turns in, feels like it weighs 500 pounds. Less corners, pretty flat, but not too flat. I mean, it just felt like a fantastic car. I was so happy to finally, like, you know, take the sheepdog to where there are sheep and let it just eat and have a good time. I did, like, three sessions. I don't know, 15, 20 minutes a session. Definitely overcooked my brakes. I thought. I've got stainless lines and good fluid. And I forgot what my brake compound was like. I just went, oh, I think I've got, like, good performance shit on there. And I have, like, performance street pads.

Matt Farah (48:44)

Sure.

Zach Klapman (48:44)

So I told Avis later, you need some pads. And I was like, what's up with these brakes? And he's like, well, your compound sucks. He's like. And so he. Ken, who works there, every time he goes to the track, he just swaps in these track pads and then he takes them off when he comes home. So that's. That would have been a good thing for Zach to remember. But Zach don't remember anything.

Matt Farah (49:02)

No, they. The open throttle guys do like, three or four races on a set of tracks, pads, and they hold up all race, eight hours.

Zach Klapman (49:11)

So, like, it's such a basic mistake, I think I just. I knew I'd put new pads on it, and I just thought they were better than they were. But I've never tracked the car, so.

Matt Farah (49:18)

I mean, how many stops did you get before they got really well?

Zach Klapman (49:22)

Good ones or stops. There's a difference. Yeah, good ones, maybe four. They got, like, gummy so fast. But I went to a race shop on site and was like, can we just. We bleed these or something? And they checked like, there's no air in these lines, really. So it was just. And a pro came out to run this, like, GT3 spec car, whatever it's called, cup car. And he said, yeah, streets eats brakes. It's really hard on brakes even compared to Big Willow or Horsethief. Just like coming into the S's. You're using a lot of brake there. Using a lot of brake before the brakes. There's just a lot of braking and a lot of, like, light braking and.

Matt Farah (50:03)

A lot of a couple braking. Heavy braking downhil hill.

Zach Klapman (50:06)

Yeah.

Matt Farah (50:06)

Downhill breaking downhill is a. Is a nasty one.

Zach Klapman (50:10)

Right turn. Two is heavy breaking downhill. Four is also kind of downhill. Ish.

Matt Farah (50:16)

And after the middle and before into the bowl is a little downhill. And then. I haven't ridden the new track yet, but what was over the crest, the heavy breaking into that last little bit, was downhill also.

Zach Klapman (50:29)

Yeah. If we had been doing that, then it. I went, you know, then I went breaking. So I just started breaking early just to, like, manage it a little bit. But it just felt so good, like I. I could get into the bowl and then get full throttle right at the apex because my car's not that fast. And just full throttle, carry momentum. Just stick to the track and carry it all the way out. It was really, really nice.

Matt Farah (50:52)

And wait, you said you would circle back to drifting.

Zach Klapman (50:56)

Oh, so visual. Vin was sliding the turn down near the skid pad, like, for camera. And he did it, like six times. He did seven times. And then the corner worker comes on the radio and just says something to Corey Burns, who's running it. And it's like we said, there was no drifting allowed. He's like, all right. And then Vin comes around again, and she's got the black flag out. So he got put on timeout.

Matt Farah (51:21)

Oh.

Zach Klapman (51:22)

I mean, he was doing it for camera, but they just don't want. They didn't want people going out there and just, like, linking corners. Corners either for new surface or whatever. Yeah, yeah.

Matt Farah (51:31)

It was just a funny thing I kind of understand. But also influencer track day.

Zach Klapman (51:34)

Right. No, I get it.

Matt Farah (51:35)

Must create content. Must look good.

Zach Klapman (51:37)

Yeah. There were no accidents. No one had any catastrophic failures. Yeah, I mean, it was. It was. Everyone was really professional.

Matt Farah (51:45)

And I guess after like, six times, it's like, you got the shot. You got the shot.

Zach Klapman (51:48)

I think that's what it was. I think it was, like, got a couple and we were just laughing. He's like, I think he got the shot. Yeah. From. From inside. And then Larry Chen's car. I think he ran the fastest time all day with a car that had, like, I don't know, 350 horsepower, but great brakes, great tires, all that stuff. Yeah, yeah.

Matt Farah (52:05)

Cornering speed, late braking. That's how you do it at streets.

Zach Klapman (52:08)

Yeah.

Matt Farah (52:08)

Yep.

Zach Klapman (52:09)

It was it was super fun.

Matt Farah (52:10)

Good times.

Zach Klapman (52:11)

Shout out to Willow Springs.

Matt Farah (52:12)

Good times. By the time. When is this going up? Tomorrow. Tomorrow. I don't know if it'll be live yet, but my NSX is going on cars and bids this week. Week. I've submitted all the photos. They look very nice. All the fucking shit. Everything. The ducks are all in a row. Check that out. Also, I haven't talked about it in a while, but the two road and track events coming up. You can come drive with me in 2026 at experiences.roadandtrack.com. let me see if the. Is the other one up yet? I mean, I talked about it. It's not like secret, but is it actually on the fucking website? Because we approved some Copy. Copy. Go down. Is there another one? Yep, there it is. Okay, great. April, we've got the desert. What are we calling it this time?

Zach Klapman (53:00)

Northwest Chicago.

Matt Farah (53:00)

No, no, the Go Up. They'll go up. Oh, there it is. Desert Run 600, April 14th to 17th. That's going to be Vegas Motor Speedway, Valley of Fire, Zion National Park, Sedona, Scottsdale. That's going to be really fun. And I'm making that route in January. I've already made it, but I'm scouting it in January. But that's going to be a good time. And then June, we've got Pacific Northwest. It's called the Northwest shift. It's the Cascades, It's Snoqualmie. It's dirt fish plus a track day. Pacific Northwest in June. There's no better place to drive. It's going to be fucking spectacular. And then if you scroll down, there's actually. They put. The next one up is going to be the Hudson Quattrocento, the 400 miler in the Hudson Valley and Connecticut. This one's always really fun. Starts in New York and goes up into the Catskills. Really beautiful leafy stuff. Lime Rock track day, which is a really fun treat. That'll be in October. Probably gonna bring my dad.

Zach Klapman (54:06)

Nice, cool.

Matt Farah (54:07)

He likes to come with me on that one. So come drive with us in April. I'm literally gonna be physically on all those trips leading them and hanging out at the bar afterwards. So you can come fucking do some driving with us. And we should go to the people. I think. Yeah. It's been 45 minutes. Let's go to the people. Right? Anything. Do we want to talk about the Taycan GTS or just go to the people? We save that guy.

Zach Klapman (54:33)

We still have to talk about Marco's car, but we should save those two.

Matt Farah (54:36)

Okay, we'll save those two for next. We'll go to the people. Patreon.com the Smoking Tire podcast is how you become become one of the people. You're people, everyone's people, but like you're special people. Over at patreon.com the smokingtirepodcast you can ask questions for the livestream and then watch the livestream. You can get the show before everybody else like the day it's recorded. You can get the show without ads, you can get extra show and you can get a whole bunch more other things. Plus it is the best way for you to be fan if you wanted to be that kind of fan. And I only say that because people ask me how they can be that kind of fan. Whether it's like buy merch or whatever. The best way to fan to me is that kind of fan. You get a lot for your money and you help us the most. So let's talk to those motherfuckers. Max Verstappen on his balls in stilettos. Whoa. Yowzer. Would holding out a couple years for a CPO? Will O CT5 Blackwing be a smart smiles per dollar move or will they hold their value too well to depreciate enough to make this a logical move? So I think can you look up what 2 year old black wings look like right now on C and B or bat and we can test this theory. I think these cars depreciate better meaning slower than than AMGs and M cars but not as slowly as CTSV wagons. For instance, let's see Blackwing 6 speed manual 2024 for 110. So these really are 2023.

Zach Klapman (56:25)

Last year.

Matt Farah (56:26)

Yeah. So how about this one with a weird wrap on it that's kind of strange. Sold for $77,500. That's a. Sold for 102 with 3,500 miles they hold their value pretty well. You can save some money though. Honestly my gut says if you can get an allocation, if your dealer will sell you the one you want, you should buy that. And that's a good smiles per dollar move if you can afford it. If not, they still will depreciate. Smile slower. They're fucking fast ass manual transmissions. They're special so they will depreciate slower. Watching my car get raced at, Kuckwalla says how happy are you that Porsche is going to do simulated gear shifts in the EVs? Did we actually talk about that on the show? That someone at Porsche said that they're going to be doing that.

Zach Klapman (57:24)

I mean, have they given you credit for that?

Matt Farah (57:27)

No, and I don't want credit. But. But I was very forceful about it.

Zach Klapman (57:33)

You mentioned it a couple times.

Matt Farah (57:34)

A few times to here and to them and to everybody who would listen and to Andy Preuninger and to literally everybody. And I think, yeah, if they do the downloadable car packs to go with it, that would be the shit.

Zach Klapman (57:49)

Yeah, that would be fun.

Matt Farah (57:50)

Yeah. Exclusive download. I don't know, I don't have a job. How do I do exclusive manufacture, but for a downloadable car pack.

Zach Klapman (58:02)

Exclusive manufactured sound.

Matt Farah (58:03)

Yes, there we go.

Zach Klapman (58:04)

Because the sound is not coming out of the engine.

Matt Farah (58:06)

Carne Asada Tacoma says okay. In the 911 Turbo S video, I referred to the Turbo S as a supercar. I've seen a lot of debate online as to whether any 911 can be classified as a supercar. And I'm curious as to your thoughts on this debate, considering there isn't any specific definition of a supercar. Do you think a 911 Turbo S is or can be a supercar?

Zach Klapman (58:37)

I do now because of the price and the speed and everything. I think a few years ago I probably wouldn't. And part of the problem is that there are so many trims of 911 that I see around that it, it doesn't stand out visually. Whereas the cheapest Ferrari, the cheapest Lamborghini, the cheapest, whatever, like, it's very clear that that is from this upper echelon of brand and like their cheapest car usually has the performance and the style of a supercar. So I think you have to decide what the measure is. And I think when I compare, when I look at price and performance specs and like, the Turbo is pretty exclusive now. Yeah, it's a supercar.

Matt Farah (59:14)

I think turbo S&GT3 cross into supercar. I think they do. For me, it's a fluid line. I don't, you know, and I don't really give a shit where people personally draw that line. This one is a bit of an LA bubble. Because in la a Turbo S is like not really a supercar because 911s are more common. But like, recently I drove a 911s across fucking Tennessee for five days. Days. And like, believe you me, I was in the nicest fucking car around. Like, I didn't see another 911, let alone any other Turbo S's or any of that kind of stuff that we see like all the time here. So, like, outside of LA. Yes, that's definitely.

Zach Klapman (60:00)

Like, would you consider the Audi R8, especially the early one, the V8. Would you consider that a supercar?

Matt Farah (60:04)

Yeah, sure.

Zach Klapman (60:05)

And so I'd say, why? I agree with you.

Matt Farah (60:07)

But like, I think it was a, you know, a mid engine, exotic line looking car that delivered on a high level of performance and engagement. And it was pretty expensive.

Zach Klapman (60:20)

I agree. But I think the Turbo S's have probably kept up with those cars in terms of speed all the time. It's just because the Turbo S looks like the other 911s. Basically, it kind of struggles online at least. Sure.

Matt Farah (60:33)

I think particularly the new one with all the hybrid shit in it and all that kind of stuff. That's got the goods. Yeah, that's got the goods. Okay. All right.

Zach Klapman (60:45)

I know.

Matt Farah (60:46)

Watch. This is a very a watch question for a woman. The first question is. So Otto Bon Jovi wants to know about Shinola. I'm the wrong person to ask because I have eternal beef with them. I will hold a grudge forever. Has nothing to do with their product.

Zach Klapman (61:00)

You and 50 Cent.

Matt Farah (61:01)

Me and 50 Cent. I'm not gonna make a whole documentary about how shiny Shinola insulted me because of my cat. But you don't fuck with my cat. You don't tag yourself in my post about my cat dying of cancer. That's not cool. Fuck you, Shinola. I don't care. But anyway, the wife wants a watch under $1,500. She likes square Cartier, like, designs, prefers jubilee bracelets when offered and likes two tone colors. An apple watch will be worn most of the time. This will be a special occasion or watch. I mean, other. This is hard. God, I just spent a lot of time reading this, but I don't have an answer because I just don't look for these types of watches. I'm not that into Cartier stuff. I mean, normally I would tell people, like, save up for the Cartier because you can get into a Cartier, a Mousse de Cartier for like he says, $1,500, probably three grand. You can get into a real Cartier. I would say save up, like, wait for the real thing. Cause like, every woman loves Cartier. That's a universal rule of life. And watches. You fucking get a woman in Cartier watch. That's the right watch.

Zach Klapman (62:19)

Trust me. Yeah, just wait a little bit more and get the one that she really, really wants.

Matt Farah (62:22)

Yeah, like, I wouldn't like. There are ways. There are smaller, you know, I don't have a database of smaller square watches, but, like, Cartier's entry level brand from like 40 years ago, 50 years ago was called Must des Cartier M U S T D E Cartier. And it was an entry level brand. But for people that aren't super, super snobby about watches, if you're a super snob, maybe it's not a real Cartier in the way that a Ferrari Dino is not a real Ferrari. Right. But to everybody else that is a real Cartier and a Dino is a real Ferrari. Same kind of thing. And you can get into those. Were you looking for, did you find any at least?

Zach Klapman (63:09)

The Cartier on Cartier's website is $4,000.

Matt Farah (63:12)

Well, that's like brand new, right? Yeah, that's brand. That's brand new.

Zach Klapman (63:15)

Chrono 24.

Matt Farah (63:15)

Yeah. Like used. Yeah. Bob's Chrono 24 or like even ebay, you know, if it's a reputable seller, you can be fucking, you can be into one of these for like three grand. And not that there isn't a big difference between 1500 and three grand, but there's also a big difference between it looks kind of like a Cartier and it's an actual fucking Cartier.

Zach Klapman (63:38)

Cartier's website is terrible. It loads like a Ferrari screen. Yeah. All right.

Matt Farah (63:43)

Because they don't need it to sell watches.

Zach Klapman (63:44)

Right.

Matt Farah (63:46)

Tale of the puff, the magic dragon. Those are two things that combining is quite good actually. Two seater weekend car coming out of Chicago. Occasional track days and a few rallies each year I've got 150 GS. Anything new or used beat the Z06. The Z06 is your most supercar like experience for that kind of, kind of money.

Zach Klapman (64:13)

Yeah. And it rides great. It rides great. It sounds amazing. Like it delivers on. I mean especially look, Chicago. Long, flat, straight roads. They're kind of messed up because of all the winters there. You know, work at the track, it'll work for road rallies. Like that's pretty great.

Matt Farah (64:28)

I would say this 150 grand gets you also just as an alternative, a lot of R8. We just talked about R8s. You can get R8 V10 plus performance.

Zach Klapman (64:41)

Performance used 911T. You like a one or two year old 911T?

Matt Farah (64:47)

Absolutely.

Zach Klapman (64:48)

That would also do all the things you said. It won't ride as comfortably, it'll be slightly louder inside, but it'll be cool.

Matt Farah (64:54)

I mean 150 will get you a 911S.

Zach Klapman (64:56)

Oh, that's true.

Matt Farah (64:58)

On bring a trailer. We just sold a 2022 GTS rear wheel drive, seven speed manual with A carmine red truffle brown interior, interior, 9,000 miles. Just sold it for 160. So if it had. That's a GTS though.

Zach Klapman (65:16)

I know a used GTS.

Matt Farah (65:17)

Used GTS is a lot.

Zach Klapman (65:19)

And that'll work at the track for sure.

Matt Farah (65:21)

Yeah. So like a 911gts would be awesome. R8v10s are awesome. Z06s are awesome. 150k gets you a lot of car today.

Zach Klapman (65:31)

Yes.

Matt Farah (65:32)

You could also, I mean, you could fucking wild card Shelby GT500 track pack, fucking slide around, have a good time.

Zach Klapman (65:39)

Yeah, that's an experience.

Matt Farah (65:41)

That's a doriftos. I mean also could, you know, wild card, you could go with a GT350R, save a lot of money.

Zach Klapman (65:51)

The AMG GTs are very inexpensive and I think they look amazing inside.

Matt Farah (65:56)

Oh, like a couple years old. Yeah. Gtc.

Zach Klapman (65:59)

Yeah. The C. Or you can get like, like an R. You can get the Pro or you can get an S. Like they perform and they look good and they deliver a lot.

Matt Farah (66:06)

Yeah. But the roads are shitty in Chicago, so you don't want to get anything with too stiff suspension.

Zach Klapman (66:11)

Right. Having something adaptive would be best. Or something very clever.

Matt Farah (66:14)

Yeah. Do you know who that person is that that name refers to? No, I don't either. And I don't want to. Like, it's. What?

Zach Klapman (66:26)

What is?

Matt Farah (66:26)

Lucas Harper's inflamed sense of artificial identity. I hope this person is Lucas Harper.

Zach Klapman (66:31)

And they're not the main antagonist of the 2004 thriller film Mindhunters.

Matt Farah (66:37)

Oh, sorry. Okay, cool. Lucas Harper's inflamed sense of artificial identity. Aside from the parts geek debacle, a bunch of people wrote me notes about the parts geek debacle and two guys were like, I'll never get that fucking 10 minutes of my life back. Okay, okay, I won't talk about it anymore. Don't buy parts there. What's the worst sales experience of your life? I've talked about it before, but it's when the guy tried to sell a 16 year old me a V6 Mustang as a V8. And this conversation went on for way too long and I had to point out way too many things.

Zach Klapman (67:11)

That's probably the worst.

Matt Farah (67:12)

I don't. It doesn't really.

Zach Klapman (67:13)

High bar or low bar? Yeah.

Matt Farah (67:18)

Okay. Desmoldering rim says What? Used cars 50k and under deliver an experience worth more than the cost of the car. Over deliver on a driving experience.

Zach Klapman (67:29)

Cheap cars, GR86s and all those twins BRZs and stuff. I think I think they do everything well except the power. And there's plenty of cars that cost more money that we wish had the attributes of like shifting and steering.

Matt Farah (67:40)

Feel that those cars have a really well sorted E46M3.

Zach Klapman (67:46)

Sure.

Matt Farah (67:47)

A really well sorted. But high mile Acura NSX that might be under 50k. I would say you could get a 997 Porsche that's working properly and serviced is a great experience. Corvette Z06S C6.

Zach Klapman (68:05)

And now like any of the used cars that have a twin turbo four liter that feels.

Matt Farah (68:10)

Twin turbo four l four liter. Yeah, like sorry, I heard four cylinder. I apologize.

Zach Klapman (68:16)

No, if you got like a used C63 for $45,000, it's gonna sound and feel very close to the ones from three years ago.

Matt Farah (68:23)

Sure.

Zach Klapman (68:24)

You know.

Matt Farah (68:24)

Yeah, for sure.

Zach Klapman (68:26)

Very nice looking car and they make it sound good, all that stuff.

Matt Farah (68:29)

I bet a $49,000 Taycan feels like more than a $49,000 car.

Zach Klapman (68:35)

A $49,000 Aston van.

Matt Farah (68:38)

Yeah, that. You know, dude, V8 Vantages aren't worth right now. And they are delightful little cars.

Zach Klapman (68:46)

No one cares about them.

Matt Farah (68:48)

No, yeah, yeah you do. They're at like minimal level of interest. They're not old enough to be classic. Yeah, they're not new enough to be new. But like man, those are well made.

Zach Klapman (69:00)

And if they're clean and they pull up, they look sweet. Like 150, $50,000.

Matt Farah (69:05)

Yeah, they're fucking sweet. They sound good. Bilbro Baggins. I recently purchased a Toyota Caldena. I think that's a Toyota. Oh wait, is Caldena a Toyota? Isn't that a Toyota? What is that? It is, right? GTT for year round driving in the Midwest. What other quirky JDM only cars are on your list of must own Sunday?

Zach Klapman (69:29)

Quirky looking vehicle? This is.

Matt Farah (69:32)

Oh yeah.

Zach Klapman (69:34)

Some of these headlights are choice, you.

Matt Farah (69:36)

Know, it's a little wagon. It looks like a kind of like vaguely like a Subaru legacy. I think they swapped these engines into Mr. 2s. I think you do this, you do this engine swap into an Mr. 2 and then they rip because it's like the. That's the big JDM swap. I think I drove one. Yeah. No, not a very great. I'm not about this. Hannah wants a fucking. A Fiat Panda 4x4.

Zach Klapman (70:03)

Oh right.

Matt Farah (70:04)

Which is not a JDM car, but that's a weird European car for sure.

Zach Klapman (70:08)

And Johnny Smith and James May.

Matt Farah (70:10)

Yeah, I've had a Skyline. We already have a fucking Delica. We've already got a pow. I don't know.

Zach Klapman (70:15)

I would want a chaser for sure. I mean, that's not a quirky car. Quirky car. Oh, I've talked about the Figaro. I think they look so, so cool. It's a shame they're so damn slow.

Matt Farah (70:24)

They're faster than the POW.

Zach Klapman (70:25)

I think one of those with an.

Matt Farah (70:26)

EV swap would be cool. If the 1 liter shit pile in the POW ever dies. I would consider an EV swap for that. Probably burn my fucking house down. Domesticated Jaguar XJS says we've had Saturn and Mercury. What is the next planet name we should use as a car? Blant. Carb. Car brand. Okay, we've got Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Venus, Earth, Mars, Neptune, Jupiter. We should. Well, wait. We should absolutely use Uranus.

Zach Klapman (70:59)

Oh, sure, right.

Matt Farah (71:02)

It's pronounced Uranus.

Zach Klapman (71:06)

Well, I think they need.

Matt Farah (71:07)

Pluto's not a plano any planet.

Zach Klapman (71:08)

I think the biggest vehicle ever and call it the Jupiter. Like, you know, the Hummer. Jupiter. Jupiter. And it just takes up two lanes.

Matt Farah (71:15)

Jupiter is the performance brand. Genesis has magma and yeah, it's like GMC. It's a GMC's performance division.

Zach Klapman (71:29)

It's GPC. It ran off hydrogen, but it was humongous because it's very gaseous. Right. Isn't it a gas giant planet?

Matt Farah (71:35)

Yeah, it's a giant. It's a giant gas giant. Okay, so it's like the Escalade V.

Zach Klapman (71:43)

That's what it is. It goes back to gas because now the EPA is gone. They can make the Jupiter takes up two lanes. It's a gas giant.

Matt Farah (71:51)

Four injectors per cylinder.

Zach Klapman (71:53)

Yeah.

Matt Farah (71:56)

The Duffel shuffle retirement club does 12 cylindri beat laferrari for worst Ferrari model name. It's definitely up there, bro.

Zach Klapman (72:05)

I think Laferriere's worst Lafera Ferrari is bad because 12 cylinder. 430, 360. It's like the engines it's based on that Laferrari was just.

Matt Farah (72:12)

It's bad.

Zach Klapman (72:13)

It's the Ferrari.

Matt Farah (72:17)

All right. Okay. This is a fun one. Chase the Monte Carlo. What does this person drive based on their gas station purchase? Doritos and an original black and green Monster with a can of Winter Green Zinn.

Zach Klapman (72:34)

I think that person drives a Challenger Hellcat or srt. And they drove it off the base and they went and got some snacks and they're going back onto the base.

Matt Farah (72:46)

Where is this gas station? It's right outside Pendleton.

Zach Klapman (72:49)

Yeah.

Matt Farah (72:49)

Okay. A white monster and a protein bar. That person drives.

Zach Klapman (72:56)

Well, I used to drive a Miata back When I. I drank a lot of Monster and protein bar. What were you gonna say?

Matt Farah (73:03)

I was gonna say that person drives a Forester XT but is at the gym.

Zach Klapman (73:08)

Yeah, right.

Matt Farah (73:10)

Diet Coke and a starburst. An infinity G20.

Zach Klapman (73:14)

That person's confused about how diabetes works.

Matt Farah (73:16)

I think I really ate too many Starbursts.

Zach Klapman (73:19)

That you're the candy is that man. I found that bad.

Matt Farah (73:22)

I don't hang out a lot of craft services these days. But Zach put out fucking for Zach Klapman's test drive. Driver's test. Excuse me, I apologize. Driver's test on YouTube. But the man put out a fucking crafty service table.

Zach Klapman (73:34)

Take care of the people with a.

Matt Farah (73:36)

Big bag that only had pink and red starburst in it.

Zach Klapman (73:42)

That's the dream.

Matt Farah (73:42)

Glory days, my friends.

Zach Klapman (73:44)

No one wants yellow. They finally listened.

Matt Farah (73:46)

My fucking man. I smoked two joints and had 87 fucking starbursts.

Zach Klapman (73:51)

There's 87 left.

Matt Farah (73:52)

It was dinner. Fucking. Okay. Cherry Pepsi. A Cherry Pepsi fountain drink and a gas station meatball sub. That's fucking Foley.

Zach Klapman (74:04)

That's literally Foley.

Matt Farah (74:06)

He drives a Jeep Grand Cherokee.

Zach Klapman (74:07)

Yeah, that is a highly financed Grand Cherokee. Or like four year old Tahoe. Very Jersey.

Matt Farah (74:13)

Yeah, it's an ayg listener on the very. All of them. Really? Even Flowmaster. Oh, that's good.

Zach Klapman (74:21)

That's good.

Matt Farah (74:21)

That's very good. I currently have a Mark 8 Golf R that's almost out of warranty. I'm thinking about getting the 8.5. I like the Golf R thus far. Any other suggestions? Well, I mean, honestly, I just drove the new Golf R for performance car of the year and I very much liked it. I thought it was a really fun car. It was really comfortable. The seats were great, the suspension was great. It was like. It was a very nice car. And if you already like the Golf R, I think this one is better than the last one. So other suggestions. I mean if you want an upgrade. The Audi S3 does feel a little more premium. Looks a little more premium. Drives similar. Has the good diff now though. The S3 gets the RS3's rear diff for this gen. So if you want a little more rotation, you might be able to get.

Zach Klapman (75:15)

Get that.

Matt Farah (75:16)

And 50 might be the S3 might be just. Just like 52 or something like that.

Zach Klapman (75:24)

You could get the MW M240, M240i. Get the M240i with X drive if you want.

Matt Farah (75:30)

That rips.

Zach Klapman (75:31)

That's a nice car.

Matt Farah (75:32)

And they're fast.

Zach Klapman (75:32)

Doesn't have a Back seat, which is annoying. But it has a good trunk. Very fast car.

Matt Farah (75:36)

It does have a back seat.

Zach Klapman (75:38)

Sorry, it just doesn't have rear doors. I meant door. Yeah, yeah. That's a nice choice too.

Matt Farah (75:42)

Those are nice. Nice. Yeah, that's nice. I mean, the Golf is such a good car.

Zach Klapman (75:48)

It truly is, you know, all wheel drive, performance at that price. Kind of only place it exists, I think.

Matt Farah (75:57)

I mean, and if you like. I like compact cars and have a budget of 50. Like, there's not a lot of other small cars. What other good small cars are there for, like, cheap?

Zach Klapman (76:07)

Now you can get a really optioned up Miata.

Matt Farah (76:10)

I mean, way too expensive. 50 doesn't even get you, like, even like a CLA. 35 is like over 50.

Zach Klapman (76:17)

Yeah.

Matt Farah (76:17)

And that's not. I mean, it doesn't suck, but it's not like, not great.

Zach Klapman (76:21)

No.

Matt Farah (76:22)

I'd rather have a Golf R than a cla.

Zach Klapman (76:24)

I feel like when you drive a cla, people know you want to own a Mercedes one day.

Matt Farah (76:30)

That's cold but true. Yeah, cold but true. I'd stick with the new Golf R. I really would get a fun one. Color. Don't get it in black. Get a nice bright color Jeep of Theseus on the used market. Integra versus Civic Si. Is there any reason to get the Civic over the Integra if they're the same price? We're talking about the regular Integra, the A Spec or whatever that is the same as the Civic Si, but dressed up a bit.

Zach Klapman (77:00)

Right. They both have the same 1.5 liter.

Matt Farah (77:03)

Whatever.

Zach Klapman (77:04)

I mean, the interior on them, like the dash looks almost exactly the same.

Matt Farah (77:08)

Does the Integra have a bigger hatchback whereas the Civic has a trunk? That may have been one thing. They both hatchbacks.

Zach Klapman (77:17)

I think they're both. They don't look it, but they're both hatchbacks.

Matt Farah (77:20)

Okay. Does the Acura have lumbar support, whereas the Civic does not?

Zach Klapman (77:25)

Well, does the Si also not have lumbar? I know the Type R did. Then that's worth it. Also, the.

Matt Farah (77:31)

Does the Acura come in stick?

Zach Klapman (77:33)

Yes, it does. And I drove. I drove the A Spec on a launch and it had the same awesome stereo that the Type S had. I think it's like Blos. I don't remember who it was. Fantastic stereo, good seats. But the driving is gonna be exactly the same. Yeah. So you should sit in both cars and your back will tell you which one you want.

Matt Farah (77:52)

Smells like dinner's ready. Says Porsche. Seems to be walking back plans for the Boxster EV. Does this indicate that Porsche doesn't believe EVs can be good enthusiast vehicles or that the market doesn't believe enthusiast EVs? I think look a little of both. I don't think they're throwing away the electric Boxster in Cayman, but I think they're trying to re engineer the platform to be flexible. But like, I don't think anyone is like kidding themselves in saying that like manufacturers are building EVs because they have to, not necessarily because they want to. And like I think Porsche would build some EVs because they want to. But to make the EV sports car was clearly going to be to satisfy a requirement. Requirement that they would have preferred to not have to do.

Zach Klapman (78:49)

Well, there's also a large, you know, something besides just what people want is.

Matt Farah (78:53)

That.

Zach Klapman (78:56)

Lawmakers are hinting in Europe that they're gonna push back the gas ban, diesel ban. So you've got the governing body, the market forces all that stuff.

Matt Farah (79:05)

So same with California, there was gonna be this internal combustion engine ban that's now gone. We also used to have like an EPA that's like now decided that they're not going to enforce anything. So it's easier and more profitable for car makers to make gasoline cars.

Zach Klapman (79:25)

And Porsche was probably smart in that if they engineered the chassis to be able to fit both types of power plant or roughly.

Matt Farah (79:32)

The stories that we're reading today, and they are just stories are saying things like Porsche's panicking about RIA engineering this. I don't think it was designed originally to be both. Okay, nice price or crack pipe. Bringing back the old Jalopnik from Marshall P. My girlfriend needed to replace her daily driver. We started looking at Prius Vs until I found a 2014 Chevy Volt with 25,000 miles and one owner history, which with a recent service bought it for 9,000 bucks. Excluding the seemingly rare case of total battery failure. Is there a better buy for a daily for under 10k? I don't think so, no. No 25,000 miles in this car. These are so unbelievably well made.

Zach Klapman (80:25)

Yes.

Matt Farah (80:25)

Unless this car was stored for 10 years, plugged in the whole time. I would say say if it passes a battery test and it works, fuck yeah. Great car.

Zach Klapman (80:36)

They're really overbuilt, well made, well engineered. They feel like a higher quality product than a Prius, I think. And I got a friend, he has a high mileage one. He bought it a few years ago, same generation, and I think he bought it for like 14. It's been flawless. Absolutely. Like no problems.

Matt Farah (80:51)

Yeah, no, this will be fabulous. It'll last a thousand years. They were so overbuilt. Matt's video taught us stick. And now my son and I daily manuals. Hell yeah. With the addition of the GR gt does Toyota and Lexus now have the widest coverage of the enthusiast market of any manufacturer? The lineup goes from entry level to supercar. That's funny. Widest coverage. I guess if you think about.

Zach Klapman (81:19)

Well, well Corvette or sorry, Chevy maybe Chevy maybe because they make like. I would say that the ZR1 has more performance than the GR GT just because the power number.

Matt Farah (81:30)

I think the GR GT and what is Chevy's lowliest? I mean in other countries they're selling some tiny little cars that we don't even get here. They probably still sell like the Aveo or whatever. They're whatever.

Zach Klapman (81:44)

They're like the cheapest car is the Trax which starts at 20 grand here.

Matt Farah (81:47)

So 20 to 200. 20 to 250. Really for ZR1 is pretty much your. So actually I think GM wins.

Zach Klapman (81:59)

I think GM wins on performance because.

Matt Farah (82:01)

You'Ve also got Escalade V. Oh yeah. You know and off road I think gm, if you count all GM brands as one, they win. But it's a good point with Toyota. They do have a pretty solid spread.

Zach Klapman (82:14)

Well also I missed this point. They said why does cover coverage for the enthusiast market? So Toyota has like the GR86 line and. Or the Corolla like they have. They have more performance, cheaper I think.

Matt Farah (82:26)

Right, sure. You've got the 86 Corolla. What's the next above the Corolla is this GT thing, right? Oh, the Supra. Sorry, yeah, Supra. Yeah. Pretty good spread.

Zach Klapman (82:37)

Chevy stopped making the Camaro.

Matt Farah (82:38)

Pretty good spread.

Zach Klapman (82:39)

Yeah.

Matt Farah (82:39)

Yeah. Tom R. I have the budget for a new 911T but I'm hearing from friends that I should get a 997.1 and add CarPlay or 991 instead. They say I'll get the same experience without the price. I'm coming from a 944 Turbo. I don't want a project. I just want something to drive and have fun with. Well, I don't think you're. I mean your friends aren't totally wrong. You want some chocolate, Zach?

Zach Klapman (83:09)

Absolutely.

Matt Farah (83:09)

I just saw this amazing chocolate sitting here and decided that I wanted some while we answer these questions.

Zach Klapman (83:13)

Well, the new T also has the six speed, right? That's the big thing. The other ones from the past have the seven.

Matt Farah (83:20)

I would say this, a 997 is not the same thing with CarPlay. That's a different car. That's okay if that's what you want, but that's a different car. I would say that you could get a nine nine one gts, right? A DOT two GTS with a stick. And that would be largely more performance for the same type of experience as your Carrera T. It would probably be 100 grand, put 60 in your pocket. You know what I mean? Like a 991.2 GTS is very similar to what you're looking at, but faster. And they're probably like 100, 110 grand.

Zach Klapman (84:06)

And does the GTS have reduced sound? Deadening. Mm. Okay. So it basically will. I was gonna say it might be quieter inside than the T, but it.

Matt Farah (84:14)

Might be a little bit, but like it's fucking 80 more horsepower also.

Zach Klapman (84:17)

Yeah, do that.

Matt Farah (84:18)

They rip. Coming from a 944 Turbo. All these modern cars will feel awesome. But I don't think you'll get that. I don't think it's. I think you'll get an improved experience that has the turbocharged thing has like modern carplay doesn't need retrofitting and it'll be a good quality product. Fuck Marry Kill Mods.

Zach Klapman (84:45)

This is funny.

Matt Farah (84:47)

Suspension on the bump stops, no ac, straight pipe exhaust.

Zach Klapman (84:51)

Also the name. Carbon monocoque and ball torture. Fantastic.

Matt Farah (84:55)

Sorry, I was so focused on the funny question I missed the funny name.

Zach Klapman (84:59)

I know.

Matt Farah (85:01)

Okay. Mary Kill.

Zach Klapman (85:05)

I'm gonna kill slammed on bump stops.

Matt Farah (85:07)

Yeah.

Zach Klapman (85:07)

Because unless. Unless I'm racing NASCAR on some track. Like, I don't know how to do that. I'd the straight pipe exhaust. I did that once for two days in my Subaru and hated it. And I'd marry no air conditioning.

Matt Farah (85:18)

I'm a great with you. I'll agree with you. I could live with no AC if I had to. But the other ones would be a no go. Matt sells three cells, three shells by the seashore. Got me. Fucking got me. Oh, and more. Fuck Mary kill 2013. Fuck Mary kill 2013 edition M3C63 CTS V. This one is easy for me. Fuck CTS Mary M3 kill C63.

Zach Klapman (85:52)

Wow.

Matt Farah (85:54)

Didn't have a good gearbox in 2013.

Zach Klapman (85:56)

I think 2013 was second gen CTF, right? Mm. I think I'd marry that one. And I would fuck the C63 because I've always wanted to own one. And I would kill the M3.

Matt Farah (86:07)

Yeah. Okay. Gin and Taconic State park way says in 2022 I drove the Audi S8 and really liked it. On the used market they go for 50 to 70k with reasonable mileage. For the same money, you can get a 2018 or 19 CT6V. Do you have experience with the Cadillac and would you take it over the S8? I would probably skip the Cadillac in favor of the S8.

Zach Klapman (86:40)

I've never driven a CT6V. Yeah, no time with them.

Matt Farah (86:45)

It's not. I don't think it's for me. I didn't. I drove something light. It was the V Sport or something like that. And it was not. It doesn't have the black wing motor. That's not right. It has the CT4 Blackwing motor.

Zach Klapman (86:59)

I think the S8 is a much better looking car.

Matt Farah (87:01)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tim A says Harry Metcalfe made a video about his new daily driver, a Maz Maserati Grecale Trofeo. Are you ever surprised by the cars that automotive journalists purchase with their own money? And has this ever prompted you to reconsider a car previously overlooked? I thought the Grecale Trofeo was cool.

Zach Klapman (87:23)

It was fun. It was really fun to drive.

Matt Farah (87:25)

I bet they're giving them things away.

Zach Klapman (87:26)

I bet he knows something.

Matt Farah (87:27)

Harry knows of value when he sees one. That is a man who knows value. I bet they fucking gave him that thing for peanut.

Zach Klapman (87:35)

Yeah. And he. Now there's something like, he has the means to buy a car and if it breaks or has problems or whatever or depreciates a bit, he can take that hit.

Matt Farah (87:43)

Yeah, sure.

Zach Klapman (87:44)

So that helps a little bit versus, you know, someone in my position. But I think he can also make content about the car. I don't know. This was. I mean, I am surprised by this coming from Harry Metcalf or from anybody really, because I don't. I don't know a journalist that's owned any Maserati. I can't think of one. Sure they're right.

Matt Farah (88:03)

That's interesting. Yeah.

Zach Klapman (88:04)

But try to think of a journalist, you know, that's owned any Maserati of any generation.

Matt Farah (88:08)

I mean, that would be difficult. I don't think I know any, but maybe Camisa has had like a Biturbo.

Zach Klapman (88:17)

Or some weird one.

Matt Farah (88:18)

Maybe, like. But if Harry was looking for a daily and was like looking at a macan or something, and someone was like, hey, this, this Grecale Trofeo is like $95,000 new. It's got 5,000 miles on it. Give it to you for like 50, right? He knows, he knows a bargain when he sees one, they drive nice. So like, yeah, have at it.

Zach Klapman (88:45)

And he can do the experiment. Like, let's see what it's like. Let's make some content and. Okay, yeah, just find out.

Matt Farah (88:51)

I mean, he can afford to take a depreciation hit a little bit for his funsies, right? So can I. That's why I bought a used fucking taycan. It's gonna be worth nothing when I'm done with it.

Zach Klapman (88:59)

That's it.

Matt Farah (88:59)

That's it. Fucking hell. Well, let's go home. What are we doing here? We got. Fuck. Gotta get ready.

Zach Klapman (89:07)

Scotto.

Matt Farah (89:08)

I gotta get ready for Scotto tomorrow. I'm need so much coffee. I'm gonna need to bring like a thermos.

Zach Klapman (89:13)

I have cold brew left over from the shoot. I'm gonna put the bottle in here.

Matt Farah (89:16)

It's gonna be like liquor and cold brew. It's gonna be crazy. Cancel my trainer. Like, can't even do it.

Zach Klapman (89:23)

Yeah.

Matt Farah (89:24)

All right, so stick around. Submit your questions on the Patreon for that one, please.

Zach Klapman (89:28)

Even need them. We probably won't.

Matt Farah (89:29)

Yeah, we probably won't. But maybe be fun.

Zach Klapman (89:33)

It's going to be super fun. You got to see that stuff.

Matt Farah (89:35)

Bye.