GT-R Lawsuit; GT3 RS tire "fix"?; Tow rigs; Q&A

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast: GT-R Lawsuit; GT3 RS Tire "Fix"?; Tow Rigs; Q&A

Hosts: Matt Farah & Zack Klapman
Date: February 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Matt and Zack jump into recent automotive news, hands-on car reviews, and a lively Q&A with patrons. Key topics include the fallout from a Nissan GT-R getting rear-ended by a forklift at Laguna Seca, whether softer tires can "fix" the Porsche GT3 RS for road use, the eternal quest for the perfect tow rig, and deep dives into listener questions ranging from track day toys to the wisdom (or lack thereof) of old German cars.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tow Rig Debate: Efficiency vs. Practicality

[07:21–16:35]

• The hosts weigh tow vehicle suggestions sent in by listeners, focusing on "the smallest thing that does the job without being too much."
• Top choices:
  • Porsche Cayenne S E-Hybrid (with a preference for the V8 S for brakes and power)
  • RAM 1500 and Ford F-150 PowerBoost Hybrid, both for practicality and tech
• Pickup trucks: "I just don't want a f***ing big pickup truck" (Matt, 13:23), citing size as a major inconvenience in LA.
• SUV argument: SUVs like the Cayenne offer daily usability without the compromise of a huge truck.
• Long-term view: Interest in the upcoming RAM range-extended EV—but hesitant to be first adopters.
• Alternatives suggested: BMW and Audi diesels (too old/out of warranty), Land Cruiser (not enough towing capacity).

"Trucks do not have exclusive reign over being comfortable and having good seats."
– Matt Farah (14:48)

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2. Laguna Seca GT-R Lawsuit

[21:02–33:17]

• Recap: A driver in an R34 Skyline stopped for a red flag at a track day got rear-ended by a front-end loader carrying a load of tires.
• Host Reactions:
  • The video "was wild," but the track's outright denial of responsibility—despite strong evidence of staff miscommunication and protocol violations—was even more shocking.
  • The legal correspondence revealed that staff knew cars were stopped and failed to warn the loader driver. OSHA regs apparently require driving such loaders backwards when carrying obstructive loads, which wasn't followed.
  • The waiver argument: Track claims the waiver signed nullifies their responsibility, but hosts note waivers don’t cover “gross negligence.”

"This is like real crazy... you could have just fixed his f***ing car!"
– Matt Farah (25:52)

"If the rule is to drive that thing backwards, that should be game over right there from a legal standpoint."
– Zack Klapman (31:46)

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3. Porsche GT3 RS: Softer Tires, Still Brutal

[33:28–41:15]

• Latest review of the 992 GT3 RS, now on Michelin Pilot Sport 5s instead of Cup 2 Rs.
• Road Manners Impression: The softer tire doesn’t make the GT3 RS much friendlier on LA streets; it’s still "so abusive."
• Driving Feel: Grippy enough for real-world speeds, but the car’s stiffness makes even short trips exhausting.
• Recommendation:
  • For real street use, the regular GT3/Carrera is better; this car is "the Dodge 3500 of sports cars."
  • Aftermarket seat solutions (e.g., P1 Design inserts) for those who can’t tolerate the stock buckets.
• Notable Quote:

  "To drive this and not take it to the track frequently, you are stunting—but you are literally like stunting your growth because you're gonna like compact your own spine."
  – Zack Klapman (35:00)

"Literally have a better life [if you buy the regular 911]."
– Matt Farah (37:35)

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4. Listener Q&A Highlights

[43:25–91:00]

• Should you fear a BMW 135i?

  • Yes—issues abound, especially vs. a Miata. If you’re used to Miata-level maintenance, the 1-Series will test your patience and wallet.

• R53 Mini Cooper S as a project car?

  • Loved by Matt for driving feel, but expect upkeep. "Mini has only gone downhill since then" (46:23).

• Can a car with wide front tires still have good steering feel and minimal tramlining?

  • "None. That's not a thing." – Matt Farah (47:36)
  • Wider tires may offer sharper turn-in but not better feel.

• Selling a Florida car?

  • Tough; sellers bear burden of proving it's not moldy or flood-damaged.

"You need to explain very quickly that you do not have a problematic dog. Your dog is very sweet, and here's why... The burden of proof is on you."
– Zack Klapman (51:14)

• Easy, impressive meals:

  • Matt’s secret: Korean tacos with pre-made sauces and an Asian-inspired guac. "You can make Korean tacos in about 15 minutes and it will be the best meal that someone's ever had." (53:47)

• Lotus Emira vs. Porsche 718 Cayman for road trips:

  • Emira softer and more exotic; Porsche a bit more precise. Both can be daily usable.

• Four-cylinder 911?

  • Unlikely; Porsche barely got buyers to accept it in the Cayman/Boxster. "There's no evidence Porsche needs to move down-market with the 911." – Matt (60:28)
  • The AMG GT43 is cited as an example of why not to put a small engine in a big GT: "It sucks." (59:26)

• Ultimate sleeper cars:

  • Matt points to his pink Porsche ("a feminine car that goes like hell"), Zack shouts out the famous VW bus swapped onto a 996 chassis.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• [07:56] "A couple people absolutely insisted that we need a 3500 in order to be happy, which I would be so unhappy driving around a 3500 anything." – Matt Farah
• [25:52] "To have not just paid to fix this guy's car... you could have just fixed his f***ing car! Like, this is like real crazy." – Matt Farah
• [31:46] "If the rule is to drive that thing backwards, that's what you're supposed to do... that should be game over right there." – Zack Klapman
• [35:00] "To drive this and not take it to the track frequently, you are stunting—but you are literally like stunting your growth..." – Zack Klapman
• [37:35] "You will just have a better life. You'll have a better living experience." – Matt Farah
• [47:36] "What cars have extremely wide front tires that still have good steering feel and minimal tramlining? None. That's not a thing." – Matt Farah
• [51:26] "You gotta prove to me that your car is not a piece of shit. That's tough." – Matt Farah
• [53:47] "You can make Korean tacos in about 15 minutes and it will be the best meal that someone's ever had." – Matt Farah
• [60:28] "There is, I don't see any evidence... that Porsche needs to move down market with the 911." – Matt Farah

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Tow Rigs Discussion: 07:21 – 16:35
• Laguna Seca GT-R Lawsuit: 21:02 – 33:17
• GT3 RS Road Review & Tire Talk: 33:28 – 41:15
• Live Q&A Lightning Round: 43:25 – 91:00

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Tone & Style

The episode is conversational, sharp, and irreverent, blending deep car knowledge with humor and occasionally acerbic takes on industry norms and internet lore. The hosts maintain a playful but informed dynamic, often looping in personal anecdotes, analogies, and audience engagement.

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Final Thoughts

• For Towing: There's no perfect answer, but practicality usually wins over idealism—expect a hybrid pickup in their near future.
• Track Day Lawsuits: If a track messes up, just pay to fix the car—don't compound the error with denial.
• GT3 RS as a Daily?: No tire can make a track monster comfortable. Buy the base or GTS unless you want a spinal workout.
• Q&A Wisdom: There’s no shortcut for due diligence when buying niche or older cars, and even sleeper builds are more about perception than pure anonymity these days.

Listeners are invited to join future live shows and submit their own questions via Patreon.

Transcript

[A]

What up, everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Matt Farah here and today's episode is, as always, brought to you by off the Record. Look, we want you to be safe out there on the road, but the fact is you can be being safe and still get tickets. Those are not the same thing. And if you do, don't plead guilty. Get off the Record. Off the Record is a service that connects you with a qualified attorney in the jurisdiction where you got that ticket. They will fight it all the way if need be. To keep those points of your record a valuable service to the community that they are providing. All you have to do is go to offtherecord.com TST, input some information about the ticket, where and when you got pulled over, et cetera, et cetera, and they go to work for you getting those points off of your record. You guys send me emails and DMs all the time about how off the record is saving you out there on the road. Not to mention I have personally witnessed it for myself over and over because I do a lot of miles. It's proportional, people. So go to offtherecord.comtst for 10% off all legal services booked through off the Record. All right. On today's podcast, we got a good one for you. We have some amazing suggestions for a tow rig. Man. We've been driving the new 992 GT3RS, but on Pilot Sport 5 tires. Has it made it more streetable? And a dude's car got crashed into on the Laguna Seca by a track worker and it is problematic. And lastly, why Porsche will not do a four cylinder 911? It's the smoking Tire podcast. Let's go. When was the last time you shaved?

[B]

Four days ago.

[A]

On your chin. No.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You shaved that to nothing four days ago. No, no. It's not slow. It's thin. You just don't. It doesn't like that's.

[B]

I don't have a density.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like my forest. For four days, they logged every third tree in my forest.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that's kind of how it comes.

[A]

But the trees grow at the same length as normal trees. That's. There's just less of them. There's a lot less field.

[B]

Yeah. Patchier here. And that's why I don't even try speaking.

[A]

Dude. You know what? I just watched that. Fen's Treasure. The guy who buried the treasure chest in the mountains in the Rockies. Remember this?

[B]

No.

[A]

There's a guy called Forrest Fenn. He was an artist, an arch, not an artist. Excuse Me, he was an art gallery, like a curator, and just sort of like one of those kind of like world's most interesting man types. World traveler, whatever. And he thought he was going to die. He had a terminal illness, and he thought it would be fun to leave a legacy of burying this fucking treasure in the desert. Not in the desert, in the mountains. And then he wrote a book. This was actually a money move. This guy's was so smart. He wrote a book, buries this treasure, which is real, and then goes. There's a poem in my book, you know, and directions. Yeah. Whoa. And so the book is, like, off the shelves. It goes crazy. And all these people try to find treasure. People die looking for the treasure. There's a documentary that's out right now. I think it's worth 90 minutes about the treasure. That's the guy on the left who ultimately found it.

[B]

What was in the box?

[A]

Like, gold nuggets.

[B]

Okay. It's kind of worth money.

[A]

Seven figures in literal gold stuff, like a treasure chest.

[B]

A very real treasure chest.

[A]

And the box was made of bronze.

[B]

Got it. Because what's on the table for people listening is, like, a necklace that he made that looks like it's made out of, you know, plastic army men.

[A]

No, I think there's also. That's not a great picture. What you want to see is the treasure. But I think that plastic bag in front of him is full of gold coins.

[B]

Okay, cool.

[A]

But, yeah, no, there's other. If you just Google the treasure, like, there's images of the treasure. Anyway, it's a fun documentary, but we're talking about you saying the thing trees, the. You know, we were talking a couple months ago about that geoguessr game, how people can look at a fucking Google Earth image and, like, figure out where it is really close. Like, people were, like, figuring out, you know, finding this treasure map. And then, like, the guy who found the treasure posted a photo of it to prove he found it, but wouldn't say where it was. And so there was, like, no closure for anybody else. They wanted to know the solution to the riddle and how close they were. Right.

[B]

Especially if, you know you're not gonna travel there. You're like, I wonder if I found it online.

[A]

Yeah. How close was I? You know? And so one guy, like, drove him mad, and he had to find, from the photo of the treasure box sitting on dirt, just treasure dirt. That's it. Found it. Found, like, printed the photo and laid it down on the dirt and the photo.

[B]

Oh, to confir.

[A]

That's where the box was.

[B]

So he was right. He knew where he had guess. Right. And he took that picture to the location and said, oh, shit, I got it.

[A]

No, no, no. A guy found the treasure.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Okay. Another person wanted to know where they found the treasure. And all he had to go on were the original clues and one photo of the box where it was just the box and some dirt.

[B]

Yeah. So he read the clues very well and then got close enough. Like literally standing there and got close enough.

[A]

Yes. To where he actually was able to match up a picture of dirt.

[B]

He was pissed because he's like, I had it and I could have had all the treasure.

[A]

I don't want to give away the ending of the movie, but this, the ending of the movie for this particular guy is okay. But like it's. It's a documentary, but there is a little fun twist. Second twist at the end of it.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Recommend it. It's just called like Fen's Treasure or something like that. I don't know. You should be helpful by having the name of it. Can you.

[B]

It's.

[A]

Come on, just type documentary.

[B]

It's on Netflix. People listening.

[A]

It is on Netflix. Gold and greed. The hunt for Fen's treasure. Yeah. It's worth 90 minutes of your time in a sea of trash on television. Yeah, that's kind of fun. Okay. Sorry. Cars. There's some cars in there. The guy who I was just talking about who did match the dirt, has a fucking hell of an overlandy dodge. Pretty cool.

[B]

This is like Jedi level. Like, what's the word I'm looking for? Metal detecting. You know, you start out with an online metal detector that you bought online. You go to the beach and you just dig it diggy. And now you're looking at, you know, Google Maps, zooming in, overlanding to this place. You have to hike a ways off the road to get to the treasure. Cool.

[A]

I mean, yeah, it was not on the road. It required multiple modes of transport. But one of the things was the guy buried it when he was 79. So he goes, listen, here's the places where it's not, but it is somewhere that a 79 year old man can get to carrying this fucking box.

[B]

Good point.

[A]

So, yeah.

[B]

Wow, that's rad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Anyone who's geocaching now is probably so bored, they're like, I just get to sign something. You know, there's no gold in there. That's fun.

[A]

So that's good.

[B]

Time.

[A]

All right, cars, where can we start? Well, we talked last episode about the fact that we're getting this trailer from Brian James Trailers. We'll just. I'll plug them again. You'll hear their ads because they're advertising for a trailer. We don't have to go into the trailer, but it's gonna be cool. But we asked people to comment and whatever recommended tow vehicles and as usual, my requirements for such thing is the smallest thing that does the job without being too much. Right. What's the better way to say that?

[B]

Efficient. Most efficient thing.

[A]

Yeah. Because even a tow vehicle is not going to be towing for like 95% of its life.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So a lot of good suggestions. A couple people absolutely insisted that we need a 3500 in order to be happy, which I would be so unhappy driving around 3500 anything.

[B]

It's huge. And when they're unladen, it's like they ride worse than the GT3Rs around town.

[A]

Like 20 years ago I hauled cars all over the northeast in a heavier trailer than the one we're getting using a fucking 2500 from then. So we don't need any of that shit. The leaders right now seem to be if we're going suv, a Cayenne SE hybrid. So like there's the Cayenne hybrid my dad has, which is the twin turbo V6. The S has the V8. So I haven't really looked into the.

[B]

Higher number is good.

[A]

Yeah, it's just, it's more power and you get better brakes with the S, which it would be hard to find a Cayenne Regular V6 Hybrid that had been optioned up with like huge brakes. Like why would anybody do that? So many people are like, don't do a Cayenne because you need good brakes. You should get a Dodge 2500. I refuse to believe that a Porsche SUV with a fucking motor generator, 100 kilowatt motor generator in it and Porsche grade brakes has worse brakes than a Dodge. I refuse to believe that.

[B]

I agree. I think one of the references or sorry recommendations I've seen that makes sense and we have to look at the measurements is trucks have longer wheelbases, therefore are more stable with wind and stuff like that.

[A]

Oh, totally.

[B]

I'm sure the Cayenne is much better.

[A]

A totally valid argument.

[B]

Maybe you both think that the trucks have better brakes than like a CX5 or something like that because they have heavy duty brakes meant for long duration braking downhills. But if you're talking Cayenne stuff, I would assume we should check that the brakes can withhold or hold up to it. Better?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I don't want to have bad brakes, but like the trailer has its own brakes. It's not, we're not talking about a trailer that doesn't have its own fucking brakes. And look, we drive a lot of Porsches. They have good brakes.

[B]

Very good brakes.

[A]

The brakes this morning were spot on. I've never ever driven any Porsche, a factory car in which the brakes somehow came into question for what the thing was supposed to do. The other thing, a lot of people I think also said, look, I see where you're going with the SUV thing, but the odds are you're gonna be doing a lot of highway towing and you might actually run up on, you know, really the upper limit of what the SUV could do, which is £7,700. If you get the Ram half ton, you don't have to go with the 2500. The Ram 1500 has a 10,000 pound. So even like worst case, you're still 25% from the end. And they ride pretty good on the street.

[B]

They do.

[A]

And they have the big fold out mirrors which when you have an enclosed trailer, if you're towing an open trailer, not having fold out mirrors is not that big of a deal. Yeah, in an enclosed trailer, the fold out mirrors are very helpful. So we may end up sucking it up. I mean, if the answer is suck it up and get a pickup truck.

[B]

Okay, dude, I like, I like these. These are nice. Someone else suggested Ford Power Boost, which that's also a nice little hybrid integration. I'd have to look at the tow ratings and stuff. But having those, the outlets in the back was rad. And that can be very handy for trucks.

[A]

Sure. You wouldn't need to bring a generator for shit. There's all kinds of stuff you could do when you have power. I love that truck. Well, the other thing is soon that the Ram is going to come out with the self charging car. The range extended ev, which is like, damn, but it's not going to be for a year. So we could kick press trucks around for like a year and then maybe if this. Because that's really what I want, dude.

[B]

Well, yeah, electric truck, I think we'd want to see how that holds up. Well, no, how it holds up to towing. Like what is the range? Can the engine keep up with the demands of towing a vehicle over 200 miles, 300 miles? And I know that's the intention is the range extension, dude.

[A]

Even Stellantis. Even Stellantis, makers of fantastic hybrid vehicles in hybrid vehicle technology. I can't Imagine they wouldn't go. Core requirement of this truck. Because you must be able to tow for infinite distance.

[B]

That's the market. I agree.

[A]

That's all anybody wants.

[B]

Well, it's tough. Cause I go, I wouldn't want to be first in the door for that. But we can make content on it. But how much of our viewership is truck towing? Like if we were tfl right the website, you know, the page, we would kill it. We'd buy the first range extended pickup truck. We tow a race car.

[A]

We don't need to center a year worth of content around a pickup truck, but a pickup truck that is a new and novel technology that appears here and there over the course of us doing silly things with a car that doesn't have to be street legal.

[B]

It's true.

[A]

I see. I don't hate that.

[B]

I mean, I think it's pretty.

[A]

So the Ram half ton and the F150 Hybrid if we have to. And we're kind of the leaders in that regard. But I just don't want a fucking big pickup truck. There's one of these was parked in front of my house the other day. It's huge. If I parked one in my driveway at home, I would not be able to see the street. It would block the entire view of the street.

[B]

True. I mean, how often do you look out? A lot. All your. Really. Because all your windows kind of face the other direction. Do you look?

[A]

True. The house is more backyard focused. But like I just. I just. It's so. They're so big. Like when you're. They're so big.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I. For something that is like optimist. What's. Optimistically, every two, three weeks we connect a trailer. Very optimistically.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The rest of the time.

[B]

That's why ideally, if it's. If it's an suv, you could use it to run around town. We use it to drive to other gigs.

[A]

It could just be my car.

[B]

Yeah, it could just be a car.

[A]

This can't just be my car. That's insane tough.

[B]

In la, a lot of the parking lots would be tough. I mean, I like in the right environment, driving a truck on the highway is so good. Comfortable, good seats, all that stuff. But around town it's tough.

[A]

And trucks do not have exclusive reign over being comfortable and having good seats.

[B]

Oh, of course not. I'm just saying they're not compromised in that way.

[A]

So it's just. It's so not me to have something for the 95th, you know, cover this. And if I need more we have access to. If we were. If we were gonna tow the trailer a thousand miles, you know, maybe I'd go, okay. Hey, Dodge, can I borrow a 2500? But if we're going to willow for the day once a month, fuck we need that for, you know, it's just, like, such a waste of everything. There may be no other option. I don't know.

[B]

I think it'll be a fun experiment. We can get some press stuff to tow with, and then we can make a decision.

[A]

Yeah, and then a lot of people suggested the old, you know, Audi and BMW diesels, and I just don't want a German car that old out of warranty and that kind of shit. The Cayenne hybrid is very appealing. So we'll see what's up. We won't be able to find one of those with a tow package, like, as a press car. That won't work.

[B]

Wow. Someone said shmee had that same trailer and he towed an SF90X in it with a Maverick. I mean, England, very fast.

[A]

That's England. I mean, the other thing is this trailer company is from England, and so their trailers are designed to be lightweight, not too wide, and towed by smaller and less powerful vehicles.

[B]

Yeah, we just learned hanging out with Mike Duff from Track, that, like, if the gross weight of everything trailer, tow vehicle, and car is over x, it's.

[A]

Like £8,000, three tons.

[B]

So £9,000, three and a half tons, maybe £6,000. Then you need, like, a commercial. Commercial. A device that tracks your mileage like a commercial trucker would use. So no wonder shmee is using the lightest pickup truck in the world.

[A]

Oh, I should ask him how he likes it.

[B]

I would like a bigger vehicle to tow.

[A]

I know, but, like. But if he says that we're fine with a Maverick, then we'd be at least fine with a Ranger. Folks, gotta take a quick break because support is coming in hot from factor. The days are cold, the goals are big, and there is no time to cook. Right. Factor makes healthy eating easy with fully prepped meals designed by dietitians and crafted by chefs so you can eat well without the planning or the cooking. I have been talking about this for a while, and it's so easy. I start my day really early, right? And I have a really big morning that sometimes goes into the lunch hour. I work what you'd call east coast hours, but from the west coast. But what happens? I forget to eat. I forget to plan for lunch. And so by the time I get hungry, I'm left You know, finding unhealthy options or just whatever's closest or being too hungry and eating too much and being full for the second half of the day. Whereas when I've had Factor supporting us and I got the factor in the fridge, I eat much more balanced. There's functional ingredients, lean proteins, veggies, whole foods. There's no refined sugars, there's no refined seed oils or sweeteners. And there's meals that, like, help me eat the way I'm supposed to be eating for my fitness goals. Right. They have a lot of options. There's a hundred rotating weekly meals to keep things fresh. High protein, calorie, smart, Mediterranean GLP1 and ready to eat salads. And then there's the muscle pro collection, supporting strength and recovery. The food's always fresh. It's ready in the microwave in about two minutes. There's no prep, no stress. And the second, and you're like, oh, it's coming up on lunchtime. Boom. Healthy food is there for you. And then that really does help you meet those goals. Does for me. Anyway, head over to FactorMeals.com Tire man, they are getting complicated with these codes. Are you ready? FactorMeals.com Tire 50 off. It's the number 50. And then use code 50 off again with the number 50 to get 50% off and free breakfast for a year. Eat like a pro this month with Factor new subscribers only. Varies by plan. One free breakfast item per box for a year while subscription is active. One more time, factor meals 50 off and code tire50OFF. Thank you to Factor for supporting us this week. Back to the show, you know what I mean? And we don't have to get an F150.

[B]

Yeah, true.

[A]

Although now that, the more I think about it, the appeal of having the hybrid and the battery pack, like, it just solves a lot of problems if you're trying to. If you're just like, out places with the trailer, you know.

[B]

Yeah, it's very. It'd be really handy.

[A]

So much power.

[B]

Especially because then we could get. We could get pressed, like, side by sides that the electric ones they have coming out. You can get one of those things.

[A]

Charge it up and, like, beg Ali to convert the trailer to fucking range.

[B]

That would be amazing.

[A]

He hasn't done an enclosed personal trailer yet.

[B]

I know. I mean, that was. We wouldn't have our trailer for, like, two years, though, because of the R.

[A]

And D. Yeah, but how sick would it be?

[B]

Yeah, it would be amazing to have like a 200k.

[A]

Then you would have to buy. Build a real truck. Cause it would get heavier.

[B]

That's true. See? Yeah. That is a fun map trailer.

[A]

Fun. So, anyway, thank you for your suggestion. We. You know, I think we've. We've heard and seen them all pretty much, so you can. Y' all can chill on it now.

[B]

It was truly helpful, though.

[A]

No, for sure. For sure. It was. It was.

[B]

We've got the encyclopedia now from A to Z. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

If we have to get a half ton, here's what we're looking at. If we are not gonna get a half ton, here's what we're looking at. The old. The oddball suggestion that was a. Was Land Cruiser with the bigger motor, which I think could work because Hannah would like it because she likes boxy cars, But I don't know if it's quite powerful enough.

[B]

Tahoe. That's boxy.

[A]

Yeah, if you're. Yeah.

[B]

Also big.

[A]

Big. Uninteresting.

[B]

Yeah. Well, the towing capacity of the land cruiser is £6,000, so that's a no.

[A]

Probably not gonna work.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Should we do this morning's activities or should we talk about Laguna City?

[B]

Let's talk Laguna first.

[A]

Okay. So a lot of people, like, three weeks ago, four weeks ago, when it happened, sent us the story about the R34 skyline at Laguna Seca. Driver was at a track day, and there was, like, a red flag, and they stopped on track, and while parked on the track for a red flag situation, this dude was hit from behind by, like, a giant, like, front end loader. And this was on Jesse Awuji's Instagram. So here's this huge. I don't know if it's a front end loader, a forklift, or a. It's a giant forklift.

[B]

Jeez.

[A]

Boom.

[B]

And I didn't realize the front loader is moving at 20 miles an hour.

[A]

It's going quick.

[B]

It's moving, and it runs right into the back of a bright red stopped car. It's daytime. Like, visibility should not have been an issue.

[A]

Well, if you look at the video, it's day.

[B]

It's holding something, carrying something in the way.

[A]

It's carrying something in the front. I don't know if it's tires or whatever. It's some kind of load, and it just crush. The guy has clearly no front visibility and just crushes this dude. Now, the driver was unhurt, and obviously it seems like the driver then had an attorney. He's carrying tires, a bunch of tires.

[B]

Like a tire wall, 20 tires. So, yeah, definitely a visibility issue. But Man.

[A]

And so the driver attempts to get some restitution to get his car fixed. The track's lawyers tell him to kick rocks. They accuse him of having his car in the wrong place at the wrong time. They're saying he should have gone into the pits and not passed and he should have not. His car shouldn't have been there. And they're base and oh, by the way, you signed the waiver and all the things that are pretty much an outright denial of responsibility here.

[B]

And it seems like just for people who are listening, there are two cars at least parked on this. This is the straightaway. The front straightaway is Laguna Seca. They're both stopped because there's a blue gtr, because the red one gets hit so hard it gets pushed past this other car. So if this person and I don't know what the rule was there and we'll get into doesn't mean that not only did this red car quote, make a mistake, another car did too. But that might indicate that they were listening to the track inst there.

[A]

The lawyer for the gentleman with the red car. I saw on his Instagram this one the attorney's response. And if you scroll through this, this is like it's thousands of words. It took me 15 minutes to read it. But effectively it says that this was a red flag situation. The cars were stopped where they were supposed to stop. Your front end loader driver was negligent and did not follow this protocol, this protocol, this protoc. Your staff knew there were cars there and didn't tell that person. Like all these different. Every point that the track used to say, you driver were in the wrong, they had a pretty solid rebuttal for of actually the driver was where he was supposed to be. And even if there was a missed black flag because apparently coming down after the corkscrew, this driver in the red car, according to his own statement, was following another car that had mechanical trouble. The car in front was smoking and had a pointed black flag at that car. Now, he was behind that car, pitted. The red car kept going. To me, that's correct track day protocol and absolute worst case. An easy misinterpretation. And the next flag stand should then have a pointed black flag at you so that there's no miscommunication. Right. You now know that it's you, not just that car car. But he didn't. Shortly after that, halfway up the straight, red flag, that's everybody pull off the racing line, come to a stop. That's what that means. And he was sitting There for allegedly about 90 seconds and then just bam. So they sent this front end loader out on track while cars were still on track. Apparently, according to this person's attorney, the laws for driving a front end loader with a load that obstructs visibility is you drive it backwards so you can see. So this is the load in the front had no spotter vehicle. But before the front end loader came by, a silver track worker truck came by. So the track worker, someone from the track knew that those Skylines were sitting there, did not inform anybody else. The flag stand workers, they were trying to say that the driver didn't know. But here's a photo of the driver at the driver's meeting. And I mean, I think that the. If there's the silver truck going by before the front end loader, I think the R34 lawyer's letter is incredibly compelling to me and I would be embarrassed if I was the track to have not just paid to fix this guy's car. Because now, I mean, yeah, you're Laguna Seca and you'll always be Laguna Seca and you're not gonna treat someone bad enough that people won't wanna race there anymore. But like, you could have just fixed his fucking car. Like, this is like real crazy.

[B]

Well. Cause now, I mean, the PR damage of this, I don't know, it might turn a lot of people away. It's just bad optics. It makes you look like shit. Yeah. Doing stuff on racetracks, having rented them for production, like people need to be very on point in their communication. And this is why, like the loader and they should have been talking to each other and warning each other over and over again that there were cars on the track. This is crazy.

[A]

So I really. The guy with the car, his Instagram is GT R T I n G.

[B]

T I n G T R T.

[A]

R tin T I N like the metal. And he's posted it. It's really, it's an interesting read. And if you ask me, who doesn't know a lot about the law, but I know a little something about OSHA having been certified for this business, and I know a little something about track days. His argument seems incredibly compelling compared to the tracks argument, which seems to be pretty thin. Folks, one more break for delete me. You know what it is? Cause I've been talking about them for like a year now. They are money. And what they do is incredibly important. Think about what's happening in the world right now. And online privacy is more important. Your data is like it like your data's worth everything. It's training, chatgpt and things like that, right? And what you want is your data off those places because surveillance data breaches are common enough to make everyone vulnerable, right? So Deleteme knows this. So they do all the hard work of wiping you and your family's personal information from data broker websites, right? So what you do is you sign up, you tell them about yourself, your family, your job, your close relations, and they find all that stuff on the Internet on data broker websites who buy it from places you go shopping and sell it to anybody and everybody, Everybody. And they get rid of it. They file takedown notices, they do legal stuff that you sometimes have to do. A digital signature. But it's not just a one time service. They're sending you regular personalized privacy reports showing what they found, where they found it, what was removed, and any small actions you might have to take, such as a couple clicks here and there or a signature, an E sign in order to get these takedowns done, right? The New York Times wirecutter named Deleteme their top pick for data removal services. And look, guys, I mean, I think everybody knows someone who's had their identity stolen or been harassed or gotten shady phone calls, text messages. If you haven't, you probably don't live in 2026, right? So taking control of your data is extremely important. Keep your private life private by signing up for Delete Me now at a special discount for our listeners. So get 20% off your delete me plan when you go to JoinDeleteMe.com Tire and use promo code tire at checkout. That's the only way to 20% off is to go to JoinDeleteMe.com Tire and enter code Tire at checkout one more time. JoinDeleteMe.com Tire code Tire and allegedly the argument that he signed the waiver and therefore meh applies to normal track day conditions and risks. You could have a crash with another car or a wall, there could be gravel on the surface or oil on the surface or anything like that. That being hit by heavy machinery while doing the right thing and being stopped is outside of that because basically negligence nullifies the waiver, right? So that's the argument. I don't know. I think there can be a settlement. That's a lot more than the fucking cost of fixing a car. Wow.

[B]

Yeah, it's real crazy. Really crazy. Really sad, really nice. Red R34 has sequential box. I mean this thing was built really cool.

[A]

Yeah, it was a really cool looking Track day Skyline thing. I bet the thing was a blast to drive, and I'm sure it will be fixed eventually. It doesn't seem like it's fully totaled.

[B]

Who knows? I mean, I'd probably buy it from the insurance company. Well, actually, the value of it's so high that the total price might be very high.

[A]

That's what I mean. It's tough to total an R34 skyline. So that's. I mean, I mean, that's pretty. It's pretty. The video itself was wild, but, like, the denial of it, given the available evidence of what happened, is pretty, pretty, pretty disappointing. Yeah. They could have just fixed his car. I mean, like, you know.

[B]

Yeah. And now they're gonna go to court and hopefully the GTR owner wins. And then Laguna's got to pay for the car and legal.

[A]

And the legal fees, but it just.

[B]

Drags this person through all the mud. That just sucks.

[A]

Yeah. That's wild stuff, man. Wow, that's. That's some loser shit.

[B]

If the rule is to drive that thing backwards, like, drive the loader backwards, that's what you're supposed to do. I mean, that's game over. That should be game over right there. From a legal standpoint.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, the question is, like, if I'm a judge, then I think OSHA rules matter. OSHA stuff is definitely cause for being sued if you're not doing OSHA shit and someone gets hurt or if you're not following OSHA regulations. But it's not like. I don't think it's criminal to not follow OSHA regulations. I think it's like you could scold people for it. And if you get hurt while someone's outside the regulations, you could sue. But it's not like you're gonna go to prison, you know, that's my understanding of it.

[B]

I don't. I can't imagine the GTR owner wants someone to go to jail. They just want their car fixed because, yeah, they got rear ended by a giant tractor while sitting still.

[A]

I mean, imagine. Imagine trying to drive something. Well, we don't have to imagine. I've driven cars with camera rigs in front of my face.

[B]

Sure. But this, this guy had 18 tires in front. I mean, it was like. Or whatever, 20 of them. And. Right. It was like the grade of the hill and maybe line of sight because the loader comes from pretty far back.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But even with that, I guess he just did not see this car. It just obscured that spot for the, you know, the entire duration of the drive. And then Wham.

[A]

That's just terrible. That's just nuts. Yeah, I hope that guy gets paid. I really do. And a lot more than. Than getting. Because that's just. That's crazy. That's the kind of. That's the kind of where you get.

[B]

Well what if 200 grand is going to cost a million dollars?

[A]

It costs less extra just for the. Just for the. You tried to fuck me over on this and you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. So all morning Zach and I were up on the mountain. If you refresh my. My Instagram I put a picture of right before we started the show. Refreshes a page and there it is. We. We were up on the hill with, with a GT3RS. We've covered it pretty extensively before. The reason they wanted us to drive it is they put a Michelin PSS5 Pilot Sport S5 tire on it to make it a little more road friendly. Now you can order this tire as a zero cost option or whatever. You can get the sticky tire or this tire. Zach, what do you think?

[B]

Well, it's just too soft now. I mean now the thing there's lumber's around. It feels like the tires are flat all time.

[A]

The.

[B]

The time. I mean like it's so funny that they can you you that we consider this less sticky. It is technically less sticky but my God, I mean these have a ton of grip just like PS4 is fantastic. Do everything tire. Basically. I was totally pleased with the. The carrying speed through very corn various corners. But it's a very stiff car and we. Yes, the LA roads are bad but you know, the canyons here there's a lot of undulations and a lot of weird things. Some of them have gotten worse because of weather. This thing bounces around a lot. So my takeaway is the same as it was before with this car on track. I'm sure this is magic. Like I like we can talk about the seats in a minute but the communication of seat to tire I felt like it was very palpable like that. The outside rear, I could really feel it coming through some of the corners when you lay on the power and stuff. But man, a thing just like literally bounces around on some of these bouncier canyon roads. And to drive this and not take it to the track frequently you are stunting but you are literally like you're stunting your growth because you're gonna like compact your own spine. Over the months and years of ownership.

[A]

Yeah, it's, you know, it needs to be very stiff because the downforce at high Speed is gonna be pushing down on the. And it needs to be able to also take a bump at that speed. And so you've got car and air and everything. But when there's actual bumps in the road. Oh my God, is it brutal.

[B]

Yeah, it's the short duration bumps that it does not handle well. You know, big dips, big changes like, it does soak that stuff up.

[A]

Dude, I drove it yesterday from my house to Beverly Hills and back for a doctor's appointment. It was about 15 miles round trip. I got out of this thing like I had driven 1500 miles, like abused. Just my whole body was just crushed. And this morning I put the tempur pedic pillow in it. Cause now that's a must. You gotta have the tempur pedic pillow for the.

[B]

Cause this car is the buckets. Oh my God. Yeah.

[A]

And there's so many. Like the powertrain is amazing. It's so smooth and it winds up. It sounds great. The shifts are great. Those fucking paddles that are.

[B]

Oh my God. Great action.

[A]

Clack. It's like an expensive gun racking. When you fucking click it, it's just. That's awesome. And the is so precise, you know. And it looks mean as hell, like. Yeah, but dude, it's so abusive.

[B]

It's just a stiff. When it's in like soft mode. We're on the 405 going north. Suspension's in quote soft. It feels like most of the damping is taking out of it. So when we hit some of the larger expansion joints, the car had like that secondary bounce.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it's just relying on the spring. It wasn't terrible. I'm kind of used to the ride. This reminded me a lot of my car with club sports sports. But this has no rattles because it's like brand new. But over time, I mean this is going to loosen up some plastic, I'm sure. And you just. It goes back to. If you don't use this for what it is made for, which is Nurburgring records and true lap times, get the regular one or a different 911 altogether and you can still be fast and you can still look cool and you will just have a better life. You'll have a better living experience.

[A]

Literally have a better life.

[B]

Otherwise what you're doing is you're walking up to this. You're going, I'm so cool. Cool. And if someone if the right. Based on our old show, if the right dude looks at it, you're like, I'm so cool. And then you pull Away from the light and you. And then you hate it.

[A]

Yeah, that's the. You do in your 20s. You don't do that in your 40s.

[B]

It's very true.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

It's like.

[A]

It's so like I haven't left a car parked in my driveway so much that I was testing in a long time time. Like I've had this thing for five days and up till this morning, it had gone 48 miles. Like it's a supercar.

[B]

You know what this is? This is kind of like the 3500 of sports cars. Because it's quite large, it's a pretty big car. Visibility actually with the wing is totally fine, at least from my height. But it's a pretty big car physically. And the ride is an unladen 3,500 cars. And so you don't really want to run around town with it because it's just. It's meant for this towing task. It's not meant for driving around town.

[A]

There's probably a fun argument to make there that the GT3 RS is the Dodge 3500 of sports cars.

[B]

There's my article that's this month.

[A]

I'm an asshole argument. Yeah. It's a beautiful thing and there are nice things about it. And if the road is nice, then it's nice. But if it's not, holy hell.

[B]

And the tire, I mean, the tires didn't fix it. Obviously. That's the story. Dynamically fantastic.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, if you want to drive.

[B]

It in the wet acceleration, feel, brake response, all that stuff is just awesome.

[A]

I would say even if you want to use one of these as a road car at all, you should definitely get this tire because it doesn't make a fucking lick of difference. The car is so much faster than any road will let you go that even within the limits of this tire tire, you could be deeply antisocial speeds without that being a problem.

[B]

And I think even if you go to the. I think these tires are great for the track and for most people, they're good for learning. For most people, they will be totally fine. And then eventually sure. Like if depending on what skill level you're coming in with, you might want something stickier. But then you'll just burn through these and then get something stickier. But this is tough. This is fine.

[A]

Yeah, you should get that tire. Probably it'll be. You'd be annoyed at how short the life is of the other tires too. But it's a tough. When I see people driving these in the street. I'm like, hope you're happy with how you look.

[B]

And I mean, the buckets, laterally, the support's great. And they do talk to you, but. And I know we hit this a lot. There's no lumbar. So if you have a spine that doesn't like to be sat concave, meaning where you feel like you're curled forward slightly, you will not like this seat. And I wish you could take the cushion out of these or order it from Porsche with like three different thicknesses, something like that. But it's all stitched in there, so you'd have to have it, like cut up. You'd have to have the seat cut apart and reupholstered. Yeah, that's not gonna be great.

[A]

It's not a removable cushion that you could just have, like stuffed more.

[B]

They should do that.

[A]

Yeah, that would be.

[B]

You know, what you got.

[A]

I wonder if special wishes includes lumbar.

[B]

Portia, here's how you do it. You offer this pillow, you charge more money. People could pick contrasting colors and thicknesses and. All right, just do that. Charge people more money. You're already charging a ton. So charge them another three grand and offer a lumbar pillow. But it would be essential.

[A]

I mean, you know what I love about this car? The door handles.

[B]

Because they're door handles.

[A]

Because they're door handles. They're not pop out power door handles like the other 992s.

[B]

Oh, right.

[A]

They're the old school grab handles like my car has. Like, that's just better. Just go back to that. That's just. That was not a system that needed reinvention.

[B]

I think it was. You see the story. I think China's banning the Tesla pop out things.

[A]

They're bad. That shouldn't be a thing. It's frozen. It's fucking on fire. You need to be able to have a fucking door handle. I kind of get why a company might want them for aerodynamics or allegedly, according to. I forget if it was. Was Isaacson's book or. Or Niedermeyer's book or. You know, he just. Elon just thought they looked better and insisted that they have them. But a lot, a lot of people chase them down that rabbit hole. Chasing Tesla led to a lot of bad car choices.

[B]

Someone in the chat recommended P1 design.

[A]

Seat inserts for these P1 design seat inserts.

[B]

We do not have an affiliate link, but this is a possible solution.

[A]

Okay. So you could. Wow.

[B]

Damn, those are expensive.

[A]

That's 1300 bucks.

[B]

Does that just pop out carbon fiber seat and I guess for the st. That's pretty cool.

[A]

All right, so you can get. You can probably get memory foam, integrated inflatable lumbar support. There you go. So that's. You go.

[B]

If you can integrate inflatable lumbar and choose from one. One of what is this is like holy 50 different tartan plaids.

[A]

That's a pretty.

[B]

That's not a bad deal. Yeah, that's really not a bad deal. If this just pops out and you don't have to have it stitched in, that's pretty good.

[A]

You get the whole thing plus lumbar. That's all right. That's probably more. Lumbar is more. But that's cool.

[B]

Yeah. Wow.

[A]

And that's for. That's a set for two. That's not per seat. Right.

[B]

That's why this is a pretty good deal.

[A]

Not bad.

[B]

All right. Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

If you're already into a car for 150 to $300,000, it costs less than some pretty stupid shit you put on that car.

[B]

Ours had the weisshock package. Most people don't need that.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. So. Yeah. Should we go to the people?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did we give the people enough time today?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Great. Patreon.com the Smokingtirepodcast is the team that keeps the ship afloat. And my challenge for this month is rise against songtown titles. So if you've got a username that fits there, let's fucking go. Joining the patreon [e-mail] thesmokentyrepodcast you get to go watch the show live. Listen to the show live. Get the show the same day it's recorded. Get the show without ads. Get extra show. I think there's something else I forgot, but let's go to those folks. Mitsubishi Delicioso. Pretty good. I want a weekend car and I'm somewhere between an NC Miana and a BMW 135i. BMW has higher comfort and wife acceptance. But I've owned two Miatas before and love them on track. Should I be scared of the 135i maintenance enough to avoid it or not a big deal if I'm used to track car maintenance and reliability. I've never owned a German before. I recall that one series are outsized expensive.

[B]

Well, especially the N54, I believe, because then they switched the N55 and the N54 I think was even more problematic than the 135. Now you say you're used to track car maintenance, but you Are used to Miata track car maintenance. I think pretty bulletproof. The 135s are not.

[A]

We had to put a lot of money into a 135. A lot into very, very basic things. And a car that didn't have a crazy amount of mileage on it either.

[B]

True. And a journalist. Jake, what's your last name? I can't remember if you're listening. I'm thinking, sorry. This Guy's had a 135 track car for like 6 years and dumped a lot of money into it. I mean you will constantly be messing with stuff beyond brakes, tires, consumables. Like you will probably be repairing things. Look through the forums. Maybe there's answers on like aftermarket parts that bolster things that break.

[A]

But I would say can you find a next generation 228M Sport? I think it would be less problematic, a little lighter on its feet, better steering and I think the wife would maybe like it.

[B]

That's a good call. Yeah.

[A]

Listen and Sometimes watch says the 0106 R53 Mini Cooper S feels underappreciated. Not on this program, sir. How do you think they hold up as fun project driver's cars in 2026 low mid mile examples can be picked up for 10. I've said it a million times. My 06 John Cooper works is one of my favorite cars I've ever had. Rarely has a better car than that been sold. It was very light, it was very small. It had a huge interior for the outside size and it made some fucking awesome sounds. And it was fast and had great inputs.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And Mini has only gone downhill since then. Yes, so. But they are expensive to maintain. I sold mine literally 100 miles before the warranty ran out. It didn't break a lot. Mine was pretty reliable but I bought it new so who the fuck knows?

[B]

20,000 miles they kind of shake apart.

[A]

Fads was really fall and his didn't have that many miles on it.

[B]

Right. He had like 36 or something.

[A]

Thad had an S but he didn't treat his as well as I treated mine.

[B]

Well, he lives here with it so the roads are bumped so like a lot of his plastic was starting to jiggle.

[A]

I was commuting in and out of New York City.

[B]

That's true. Yeah. We road tripped his a lot. He might not have taken as good care of it, I don't know but it was just losing parts pretty quickly.

[A]

His was a little more of a workhorse I think than mine was but dynamically fucking no. Notes there. Great. Yeah, they're a good time. I blow horns. What cars have extremely wide front tires that still have good steering feel and minimal tram lining. None. That's not a thing.

[B]

One leads to the other once they get too wide. I think as they get wider, it usually improves steering feel or like, brings the weight up a little bit. But if they get too big, then you start tramlining more and more. Plus, alignment matters a lot for that.

[A]

So I sort of disagree with that. I don't think making the tires wider improves the steering feel. I think it improves the turn in, but I don't think it gives you more feel.

[B]

I feel like it gave me more feedback on my cars because. Because there's more resistance on the wheel in the corner versus, like the 255s or 2 or 235s, really, that it came with. Okay. I mean, you have. You have a larger patch with which the road is pushing against the wheel, which is then pushing on the steering. But.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But I think it's diminished once you get to, you know, two 9265s are okay, but once you get to like, 305.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

315, like, now it's going to dart all over the place and follow every little line.

[A]

I don't know if I've ever driven a car that had 275 or more at the front where I really liked the steering. I'm not sure I've ever seen that.

[B]

Well, yeah, like, how was Dark Horse on track? Because it tramlines a bit.

[A]

There's no feel. Yeah, there's no feel. It's sharp. It gets the job done. That's what I'm saying. Usually when you have really wide front tires, you have really boosted steering to deal with the front tires because people don't want super heavy steering. So it ends up turning in great, but you don't feel it vanquish. Same thing.

[B]

Well, like, David Tuig responded to our call for help on the show. We were talking about steering fuel a few weeks ago, and if you need to move more tire, you need a larger pump to move more fluid, and that usually leads to less feel. Yeah, so that's a good point.

[A]

So I think those are in a lot of ways, like, kind of inverse things. And the cars with like, the best steering feel, I want to say, have like 235 to 255 front tires in that. In that. Unless they're old cars and it's like 205, like, you know, Miatas or whatever the. But you. If you. The best Steering feel is if you have front tires narrow enough where you can have manual steering.

[B]

Yeah, true.

[A]

If you have a car where that's light enough, like a Lotus or a Porsche 356 or an early 911 where you can run, you know, 205 fronts, 225 fronts, and have a manual steering rack that isn't too heavy. I mean, that's like glory. That's fabulous. Very rare, though. You could have something like that in a new car. Came in. Came in my asks.

[B]

Came in my asks.

[A]

Yeah. When selling a car in Florida, what does one do to avoid the stereotype of a Florida car? Already fucked, bro. The car's got a Florida title on it. What can you do? So I have a rule which is never buy a car from Florida. I think that's a pretty good rule to live by, and it doesn't really restrict my life in any way. Florida's like the title washing capital of the world, and they have floods and rust. And the Florida cars are so smelly.

[B]

Humidity interiors.

[A]

You have sunscreen and, like, cream all over. Oh, and the Florida people, they never drive with the windows down. So all the people. Smells are, like, contained and not so they're.

[B]

It all depends on the age of the car. I feel like selling a Florida car and I know I'm going to get some heat for this is a little bit like owning a pit bull. Like, when you walk up, you have to. So when you're selling the car, you need to explain very quickly that you do not have a problematic dog. Your dog is very sweet, and here's why. So you have to be like.

[A]

You go, I know what they say.

[B]

Yeah. You're like. But I. I don't have the mold problem because. And it's not a salvage title. Here's the proof. Like, you need to think of all the criticisms. Criticisms Matt just said that needs to be in the listing.

[A]

The burden of proof is on you.

[B]

It is. It is not on the state. Right.

[A]

Yeah. Listen, you don't want to pay taxes. You want to live, and you want to live down there in the place where there's no laws or you just. This is the other side of that.

[B]

You happen to live there, and that's the environment you need to think of. What problems is the buyer gonna be looking for? And you have to explain. You have to give the answers up front.

[A]

Like, you need to understand that my 13% state taxes are buying me the benefit of the doubt when I sell my car that you're not getting. So taxes buy Civilization. That's what I'm saying. But also, yeah, sucks to be you, man. That's on you. You gotta prove to me that your car is not a piece of shit. That's tough.

[B]

Imagine you're on T and your last name is Bin Laden. And in that profile you have to say, I not from that family. I'm from way over here. Something like that.

[A]

Think about how many Epstein's there are in the northeast. How many unrelated fucking poor little Brian Epstein is having a bad freshman year of college right now at Brown University.

[B]

Yeah, you gotta be like, not from that family.

[A]

There's at least two in the high school that I work went to. Yeah. Reformed temples all over the pro north corridor.

[B]

According to mynamestats.com Quickly Searched, there's an estimated 15,000 people named Epstein in the United States. That means there are 15,673 people that are having to say, no, no, no, no, no, you don't understand. And one guy who's dead.

[A]

Yeah. And one who doesn't say anything anymore except through his emails.

[B]

He really is speaking forever.

[A]

Prayer of the refugee wagon. Now hang on.

[B]

That's resonance, huh?

[A]

It is. Prayer of the refugee is. What is the wagon? Refugee wagon. How does it. I'm not sure.

[B]

Okay. Is there a refugee wagon? I'll find out.

[A]

I don't know. Is that. Is there a. What's a meal you like cooking that's easy, but people think is complicated. Hmm. Oh, Korean tacos. Korean tacos. If you want to fucking impress somebody who's coming to dinner at your house, you can whip up, assuming you have one decent Korean or Japanese market in your neighborhood, you can like. You can make Korean tacos in about 15 minutes and it will be the best meal that someone's ever had.

[B]

Yeah. You buy the sauce to cook the meat, and then you buy all the sides at the moment market.

[A]

And then you buy tortillas. And then you make a. I make a guacamole, like an Asian guacamole. That's avocado, cucumbers, and then a dressing of soy sauce, sesame oil, rice vinegar, and mirin. And that becomes like an Asian guac that goes on your tacos. You do some bulgogi beef, you do some kalbi pork, you do some sesame chicken, you chop all them shits up. And then you make Korean tacos and impress your friends. I make Korean tacos every two weeks, probably I'll five, six people over for dinner. And it's great. Cause it's like brain off. And I don't have to start cooking at 2 o'.

[B]

Clock.

[A]

I love cooking all day, but you don't always want to have to do that accidental reverse entry. How does a Lotus Compare to a 718 dynamically? And for road trips, assume you mean an Amira. Right. I mean, these are your two choices. Right.

[B]

I feel like the Amira rides softer. I feel like the Lotus has just a little bit softer springs, soaks bumps a little bit better. It's just a more comfortable car.

[A]

I think that's probably true compared to, like my car, but I doubt that would be true compared to like a base 718S. Yeah, like a Base or a. Probably. It's probably more. An Amira is probably about where an S is. In terms of ride quality. The Porsche feels like it's built a little better, but the Lotus is still built very nicely.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would say the Lotus build quality is about the same as, like, maybe the Supras. They feel about the same.

[B]

Sure. Right. Yeah. BMW Ish.

[A]

We lived out of a Lotus for a week. It was nice. It was, it was comfortable.

[B]

Seats are really comfortable. I think the contrast stitching looked really good. Door card. I think the door card's much more interesting and more comfortable than Porsche. Porsche. Porsche is just, I don't know, I'm just too familiar with it. So I think they did good design inside the Porsche.

[A]

Throttle response is a little more precise compared to the Lotus. You still have to do that kind of slow, deliberate blip with the Lotus.

[B]

I mean, the V6 and the downshifts were inconsistent. The throttle response on downshift was weird, which then made downshifting a little challenging. And something that we've all, like, us and colleagues noticed is when you're downshifting, sometimes the shifter, like, moves, like the gate location, you know, the address changes a little bit because of the twist of everything. Yeah, that does not happen in Porsche.

[A]

But certainly the Emira is more exotic and interesting than a lesser 718. It looks like a little McLaren. I think it's a fabulous looking car. It was really nice on a road trip.

[B]

Cool. Less rear visibility because you look in the rearview mirror and you see the supercharged like, you see the throttle body, the linkage.

[A]

So, yeah, I feel like, I mean, even in the review, it's like the Lotus is the best thing to buy if you don't want a Cayman. It's hard to. I'm not going to say the Cayman isn't a objectively better car, because I think it probably is.

[B]

But that I think It's a squeaker. I think it's a really close race.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like own the Lotus for a year and then maybe you'll find you want to go over the other side after that year. But you should definitely own one for a bit. The Lotus is awesome.

[A]

I thought the Lotus was a great car. Really, really enjoyable to drive and use as a car. It's not like it doesn't ask very much of you. Plus partial shelf, parcel shelf is good. Yeah. But like you could buy that and just use it as your car. It doesn't need to be something that's just like saved for the weekends. Like it could totally just be your car. Give it all while smoking the tires. Okay. Low rise against drop, fuck, marry, kill. Okay. We haven't done one in a while. While Larry Chen's 996 Turbo, Magnus Walker's 277 car and Escado's RWB 964 Turbo.

[B]

Which of these have you driven?

[A]

Only the 277 car.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I've never driven Scotto's car or Larry Chen's 996 Turbo. So I mean just on vibes I would fuck Magnus car, marry Scotto's car and kill Larry's car. And there's not. And because Scotto's car isn't like any rwb.

[B]

It's not. Yeah.

[A]

That's a particularly special one. It's got an Andyle engine, It's a real 964 Turbo. It was the first one ever done in America and it has the proper suspension set up by bbi. So like it actually will drive properly and not drive fucking stupid.

[B]

It looks awesome and it keeps going up in value just because it has all these correct modifications.

[A]

Anyway. Hot dog. Ouroboros wants to shout out off the record, loving it. Way to use them. Let's see. Steve Martegani says the drive recently had an interview with the CEO of Porsche who said the Cayman and Boxster may be discontinued completely due to the re engineering costs going on. Should Porsche consider bringing less expensive 911 variant to market to fill the void? Perhaps with a four cylinder, narrow body and less weight. Resurrecting the 912, there's a precedent in the current market with the AMG GT43, which we don't like just talked about. The AMG GT43 sucks. It sucks. And if that's you're saying is the precedent for 911 doing something, don't.

[B]

Well and to be specifically don't the 43 engine just feels very unrefined. It feels like it'd be in place in a rally car. It's really buzzy. It vibrates the chassis a lot. It's really, it's almost strangely loud for that car.

[A]

Imagine a Grand Tourer with a Mitsubishi Evo 6 powertrain in it.

[B]

That's what that cars, the whole thing. And compared to like the Boxster Cayman that had the four cylinder, that thing opposed four cylinder, but still I felt like much smoother, much more refined than the 43 engine.

[A]

My thought about the four cylinder is Porsche barely got fucking people to accept it in the Boxster, in the Cayman.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

They really only sold four cylinder boxers and Caymans to people that I don't want to say weren't real Porsche people or anything like that. But a lot of the four cylinder Boxsters and Caymans that you see driving around are being driven by sort of regular folks who want a cute car they're not being driven at. We don't see them up on the mountain.

[B]

True.

[A]

When we go up the mountain, we see six cylinder. They're GTSs or GT4s or Spyders or older ones. We do not see a whole bunch of four cylinder cars. There is, I don't see any evidence coming from anywhere that Porsche needs to move down market with the 911. It's the only car they have right now that's making a goddamn four fortune. Everything else is not doing great for Porsche.

[B]

But everybody wants 911s and I think the 2.5. You also probably see more of them in Europe where people get taxed based on cylinder or engine size.

[A]

Displacement.

[B]

Displacement. So that's a big factor for those things. But we don't have that here.

[A]

No, I mean, I think Porsche's best way forward is to just keep making Boxsters and Caymans. I mean that in my opinion.

[B]

Yeah. If they can undo the engineering they did for the electric cars. You know, that's the pickle they're in right now. They spent all this money and the EU says they have to and the USA right now says they don't have to. And they're like, well, how do we flip this factory around or have it make two different cars, essentially?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I don't have the right answer, but I don't think the answer is a down market 9 11. I think it's figuring out how to build your sports cars, whatever that is. You're gonna have to figure out how to be the company that still makes sports cars over here one way or the other bring AI trailer. You have the opportunity to tell your 18 year old self about a future classic to purchase and hold. What do you purchase with the money you had available at that time?

[B]

18. So oh my God.

[A]

I've told you about when 12 year old me, maybe 13 year old me. When my dad got money, right, when he first got money and I mean he'd always been working, he'd been an up and coming executive, but he left to get a new job with Macy's and the company he left acquired Macy's which messed up his whole contract. So he sued for his whole contract in one. So he got like a 15 year contract in like one. That's when we got money. Okay. And that was when I first kind of figured out that, oh, like we got money and we got a pool, you know, it's like it was Clark Griswold level. We got the pool, right? So I made a list. I was like, dad, you should buy these cars as investment. And the list I would have crushed. I would have crushed, crushed. McLaren F1, Ferrari F40, Ferrari F50, Diablo, Diablo S, whatever it was, it was the SE30 I believe at the time. We would have fucking crushed. Crushed if we had bought, if my dad had bought my 12 year old list. Yeah, yeah, it would have been amazing. We probably could have actually beat the stock market.

[B]

I was gonna say he probably just.

[A]

Invested it and no, he did better than me. I actually, I gamed it out like maybe eight years ago or so. And he beat the stock market. His investments beat the stock market, but so did the fucking. My cars did too. His investments beat my hypothetical cars.

[B]

I think when I went to college, I think I had like three grand total to my name. So I think the only thing I could afford that would be is like a really clean 1991, like 325 is, or maybe a high mileage like E30M because no one cared about those. And then I would have to sit on it for like till 20, 21 and then it would go up by like 10 or 20x.

[A]

So the money, okay, so here's what I would have done with the money I actually had at the time. Because at the time When I was 18, I had bought my own. My dad said, I think this was the right move. You want your own car, you want a car, you need to go to work, you need to earn money. And, and I want you to have a safe car. So whatever you earn, I'll match. Which allowed me to go from. I saved $13,000 from selling shoes. And it allowed me to get a $26,000 car. So I ended up getting that Subaru Legacy GT. So let's assume that I had $26,000 to invest. What I wanted to buy and my dad wouldn't let me buy was a two year old black Saleen S351 Speedster. And it was like 24 grand. So if I bought that and held onto that, I could probably do okay on that today. I could probably double that money in raw dollars. Unadjusted, right? 55,000 bucks. Black. Black 351 speedster. I bet you I could have, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But damn my dad. We would have killed Negero blue balls like that. Have you ever had to talk someone out of a car you knew they'd regret? Tried talking someone out of buying an 03 RS6, they didn't. And eight months later the transmission went, wow. Yes, I have tried to talk people out of cars that I knew they would regret. And I try. You know, it's like the problem with that is, it's like someone, they go, I just broke up with Kathy. And you go, she was a fucking cunt. Anyway. And then they get back together two weeks later and you're like, oh, God. You know, that's. You can't. So you gotta tread very, very lightly.

[B]

Yeah. Because you might crush their dream. If someone goes, I'm thinking about getting this. And they just want you to say, good idea. You gotta read that face. Because otherwise you might just ruin their dream. And then they'll get it anyway and it'll fall apart. And you don't wanna be like, I told you so. But that's tough.

[A]

The only time I really do bring it up. Cause I genuinely want people to be happy with their car. Like, if you think you like a car that I don't really like. And I go, oh, why do you like that? And they go, I like the buttons on the steering wheel and fucking shape of the wheels. I go, okay, cool. There's a couple times where I knew cars were really unsafe. And I was like, I don't like you driving this. It's not safe. First gen Highlanders. Like when my sister. Like every time I would drive that car, every time I could press the brake pedal to the floorboard.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And not activate the abs. And she was like, I'm gonna get another one. I was like, I really don't want you to. Well, she did. And hub seized up and she rolled three times on the New Jersey turnpike. So I was right. Unsafe car. Nobody should ever drive a first generation Toyota Highlander. They're so dangerous. Costcob tuning. Oh boy, these are tough. These are tough. Looking for a 10 to $12,000 third.

[B]

Car, it's hard because it depends on where you live. Yeah, you know, prices are very different here than middle of America or East coast especially.

[A]

I mean, BMW Cost Cobb. I can, I can guess that's Connecticut where I'm from. Cost Cob is the town next to Greenwich. So let's assume that's, that's where they live. I have a BMW 340 for commuting and a BRZ for track work. I want a Cruiser. Interested in R129SLs and Alpha Spiders? I loved your R129. Can you go into some detail about why you got rid of it and your experience with it? My experience with my SL was great. I bought it for $17,000. I put 10,000 miles on it in two years. I did one service and it was a kind of big service, so it was like 1,100 bucks. And then I sold it for the exact same amount of money I put into it. And the guy's still driving it around. I see the guy around here in.

[B]

LA probably more reliable than the Alpha.

[A]

Oh yeah. And it was a fine automobile. I thought it looked great, it rode well, it was comfortable, was absolutely fucking beautiful. Beautiful car. But it just wasn't all that interesting to drive. It was just an automatic floaty cruiser. And so if what you want is a cruiser, there you go. I'm interested in another cruiser. That's why we're doing this Mercedes project up the road here. But I drove it for two years and I sold it because Hannah and I looked at each other and we said, we have six cars between the two of us and not a single back seat. We had six two seater cars. We were like, this is fucking dumb. And so we sold the least interesting of the cars and bought the Delica, the van, which Hannah then daily drove for a year. So we didn't sell it because anything was wrong with it or because it didn't do exactly the thing it promised. It did all those things great and is still doing them today with a new owner. We just, you know, sometimes you have too many cars, but the Alphas are interesting and if you maintain them properly and keep after stuff, they're pretty fun. Also, you know, E30 BMWs are fun.

[B]

That's almost like a combination of the two. Especially if you got a convertible, E30 convertible. Then you've got the top down experience, pretty engaging. But it'll be smooth and comfortable like the Mercedes.

[A]

Sure. And yeah, either of those would be fun. I would say also for 10 to 12k though it's pretty limited. Pretty limited. I don't know. I don't know. You might just fucking put them parameters in, you know, whatever, wherever Auto Tempest or wherever you're looking for a car and just like see what oddballs pop up. That's going to be a. You put your price range in there and there might be. You might find like, I don't know an awesome like sco or some other thing that like I wouldn't have thought of.

[B]

What was the. The Lincoln Mark vii.

[A]

Was that the car that was like fox body?

[B]

Yeah, but it's fast.

[A]

The Mark seven and Mark. The Mark eight is the roundy one with the four cam.

[B]

That's the one.

[A]

The Mark seven is the fox body.

[B]

Yeah. Like the Mark eight. Those are kind of dope.

[A]

You could model.

[B]

Yeah, that's a good cruiser.

[A]

Nino Pinto, Santa Maria. Going to Chattanooga for a bachelor party. Considering renting something fun on Turkey. I could do a Miata for 250 or a base C8 for 750. I would. That sucks.

[B]

Those. That's.

[A]

That's rates, dude.

[B]

That's expensive.

[A]

It's really expensive.

[B]

I mean, I think the C8's more fun because when you turn it on it'll sound cool and it'll sound cool every time you leave a stoplight. And the Miata is not those things, but it just depends on what you.

[A]

Pull up on Google Maps. I don't think it's that far. But how far is it from Chattanooga to Deals Gap? Chattanooga, Tennessee. Because if you're. Are we doing Tale of the Dragon and those roads on this trip? So just do Chattanooga to Deals Gap. It's not that far. Two and a half hours. Okay. So you could do, you know you can do tail the dragon and that could be. Bro, you could have. If you did.

[B]

This will be good right here.

[A]

That one's good. But zoom in. If you zoom in more, you do that road, see Teleco Plains in the top, right. You take that road, you go north on this to hit Teleco. I think that's the 676 or the 67, whatever that road is. That goes from McAysville to Tellico Plains. That's a great road. You take that. So you go east out of Chattanooga to Tell Plains and then Tellico Plains to Robbinsville. That's the Cherohalla Skyway.

[B]

So you do like this.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You do that, and then you. And then you bring that one down here.

[B]

That.

[A]

That is the Charahala Skyway. So there you go. So now you got 100. And then if you do drag the deals gap one up to the north end of the Dragon. Deals gap is the south end of the Dragon. So drag that pin further up to the north end of the Dragon to Talassie there. So there you go. You got 177 miles from Chattanooga to the north end of the Dragon. That drive is fire.

[B]

Yeah, that's Miata, in my opinion. That would be great.

[A]

The Dragon is Miata. The Skyway is Corvette.

[B]

True.

[A]

But you could have fun in a Miata, too.

[B]

Yeah, I wouldn't.

[A]

I don't think the Corvette's three times the fun on that road, though.

[B]

It's a lot.

[A]

I'd probably go Miata.

[B]

Don't do this the day after you all go drinking. You will hate it.

[A]

Yeah, but that's a. That's a good way to spend three hours before drinking. Um. Oh. Michael Cosgrove wants to know, is there a way to link the Angeles Forest roads to the Malibu Canyon roads? There is not. They are in very opposite sides of the city.

[B]

You link them with the freeway.

[A]

You can link. Yeah, you come. You have to come down to the freeway. There's not. There's not a way to do it, which is fine.

[B]

It's like a. I don't know if it's like a break. You come down, you get the 118 all the way.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it's. Yeah. Freeway. Sorry. You could connect the Northern Angeles Forest to the Central Angeles Forest, but those are the only two sections that can be connected with Canyon roads. Zach's underdrive pulley. With the increase in tariffs slated for South Korea, does the Elantra N lose its allure when the price crosses into the $40,000 range? Range? I think it's still going to be the cheapest car in its class.

[B]

Yeah, it's really fast. It's a bummer that it's going up to that because it was, you know, it was such a bargain, but it's still like, what's a Civic Type R? It's chasing civic type Rs and that MSRP is what, 46 civic type R now is, like, 46 grand to start. So still five, maybe five grand cheaper than that. And it's just as quick, just as comfortable.

[A]

So it's 10 cheaper than the Civic Type R. Yeah. You know, if they maintain that, all the Way up.

[B]

It is a bummer though, that. It's because it used to be like 34, right?

[A]

I think they started in the low 30s, but yeah, but that was like 2017 when that car came out. That car came out a long time ago. No, not 2017. Was the Veloster N before the Elantra N?

[B]

I think it was.

[A]

So VELOSTER N was 2020.

[B]

I would also add that the tariffs change every week, so just wait. And it might go back to zero.

[A]

Hyundai might fucking bribe Trump tomorrow.

[B]

They might produce Melania 2 electric boogaloo or whatever.

[A]

Wasn't it the Hyundai FE factory where a fucking ICE raided it in Georgia?

[B]

Right. Maybe.

[A]

And they all fucking. They got detained and they were like, we're fucking out, dude. What are you doing? Zach clapped my cheeks. When would you feel comfortable letting a younger family member ride in your quote, unsafe car? My 6 year old nephew is massively into cars thanks to his uncle me. He keeps bugging me about letting him ride in my Lotus Elise for now. I get by saying he needs to be older and taller, but I'm not comfortable at all letting him ride in it until he's an adult. It's one thing to accept the lack of safety for myself, but to be responsible for another human being who's a minor is completely different. Am I overthinking it too much? Look, I don't have kids, but like, quick judgment. Yeah, you're overthinking this, bro. I mean, I understand not wanting to put a five year old in a car without a car seat or something like that, but a Lotus Elise is not that unsafe of a vehicle.

[B]

Well, I think the kid's too small to sit in the seat properly.

[A]

Right, right. But until he's an adult.

[B]

Well, I mean, 18's too late. You can wait till they're 15 years old.

[A]

If you're 12, you can sit in a fucking car. In a sports car, side of the person.

[B]

Sure. And you also can. You can keep the driving very local, like around the neighborhood. Because if the kid's really excited about this, just hearing it start and doing a first gear pull will probably be exciting. So you can just do that really, in a quiet neighborhood or whatever area and then just go back to the house and that's fine for now. You don't have to take them on a canyon run or out for hours.

[A]

Well, when I read the first sentence of this question, I thought he was gonna say an aerial Adam, some crazy old thing or whatever. Like, to me, an Elise is a modern car. Like it's not.

[B]

It has fewer airbags than the X.

[A]

That's not that unsafe. If you're talking again, an unbelted child or someone, a child that's small enough where they're supposed to be in a backwards facing seat or any of that kind of stuff. I get it. But like to say someone who's 12 or 13 or you know, can't handle like a quick ride in a, in a. An older sports car I think is an extreme.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I know a lot.

[B]

Quick Google and people can comment if this is wrong on Reddit is people were saying that one of the reasons that the Elise and Exige after 2011 are considered street kit cars is one, the passenger airbag is not child safe. And then the fiberglass clamshell won't pass the 5 mile per hour bumper test. So I think if we had kids, you'd go, I want the safest car around because this is a very precious being to me. So if they're, you know, and this is the uncle, so God forbid something does happen in this car.

[A]

Do the kid's parents have an opinion on this?

[B]

I mean, of course they do. I would assume they do. But maybe. And maybe the parents are cool with it, but the uncle's the more responsible one. Maybe. I don't know. A lot of factors.

[A]

I took my nephew out for a quick run in the Manx and I didn't think much of it. I mean I just, you know, I didn't.

[B]

I just say keep the route real small and safe where there's not cars going 50 miles per hour and just give them a little taste of that and then that'll be it.

[A]

So I mean it's impossible to control everybody in the world.

[B]

Sure. Like Elon's trying. Soon the minder robot will ride in the back seat.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

And it will hold the child. It'll hold the child.

[A]

There are people that are legitimately trying.

[B]

I am the seat belt.

[A]

Most of them fucking new Epstein Isaiah Stanley says. I recall Matt was not super into VW bugs in the past. As of late you seem to like them more. Is there any specific that changed my opinion? I. I'm not that into bugs now.

[B]

I think you talked about, someone asked about like cool old stuff you can buy for kind of cheap and you said they're all manner of air. Cool, cool bugs.

[A]

Sure. I mean if you want a cheap project car, cruiser thing to learn, stick on thing that's culturally significant, sure. But they don't do shit for me. But If I see a nice one. Oh, that's nice. But no, I mean my love for my Manx is my Manx has fucking functionally nothing to do with Volkswagen. There's nothing other than a cut and heavily welded up pan and a VIN number. My shit don't have nothing to do with Volkswagen Break. Paddington Bear. Why don't Honda, Yamaha, et cetera. Don't make track only toys. Their Side by sides do a massive business and it seems their parts bin is deep enough to make something pretty neat for a decent price. I don't know. I think the side by sides can get by being very unsafe in a crash the way that the, that a car that's gonna be raced on track could not get away with. Like side by sides are fun as shit, but like those things are mad dangerous.

[B]

They are. And you, Well, I mean on track you've got multiple vehicles, close proximity, a lot walls depending. So there's just, there's a lot more exposure to hard things I think than there are off roading.

[A]

Yeah, I don't, I don't know if they're, if they're looking for a niche within a niche.

[B]

Yeah, I mean the Side by Sides they sell a lot of them and I don't think they need to try to crack into the KTM Expo market which is pretty small. Isn't that the track thing that KTM makes?

[A]

Yeah. I mean the market for all track day toys compared to the market for Side by sides is like nothing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know that's like saying why doesn't McDonald's open a five star steakhouse? Why? They could spend all their billions of dollars and go eat steak at the steakhouse like up the road. They don't need to use their giant mass market to break into a tiny niche.

[B]

Well, and the track car market is even more niche. It's like, why don't they use their giant McDonald's corporation to make a vegan sushi place? It's like a thing within a thing within a thing. The market's just tiny.

[A]

OG Kushman three wheel golf cart. If you had the opportunity to build the ultimate sleeper car, what would you do? I have it. My pink car. My pink car. Is that for me?

[B]

Is that a sleeper though? I mean it's pink, has gold wheels and it's loud. I think is a sports car turned into more of a sports car.

[A]

I think it's a sports car that people at least at first glance in association think of as being feminine and not being all that fast. And then in actuality it makes more power than even the fastest naturally aspirated factory Porsche ever has. So I would say that that makes a lot more power than you think it does.

[B]

That's true. I think the greatest sleeper is that VW bus that had the 996, like, powertrain, chassis, everything, and it was running down Lotuses on the track. Like, that was rad.

[A]

When I was at the Nurburgring, got waxed by that, like, all wheel drive, like, civic thing that was like white wheels. Yeah, that was a real good sleeper. I don't. I don't know. I don't have an answer to that one. Okay. Blown Trans with an STI featuring meth injection. When you see someone. Is that like an ER diagnosis? Were you watching the pit?

[B]

I think it's like. Or giving oral treats to someone who has an STI infection. With meth injection.

[A]

With shooting meth. When you see someone you know out in public, you wave. But if you're too close to the place you know them from, like work, you don't. How far away from the place you know the person from do you have to be for you to wave to them?

[B]

Well, I mean, if I'm good friends with the person, even if I see them right outside work, I'll wave to them.

[A]

Yeah. I'll acknowledge the person.

[B]

Yeah. I'm not gonna, like, snub them like, oh, I just saw you in work and now I'm seeing. I don't know. There's so many. So many variables to this. I laugh because this is like when you say goodbye to people and then you realize you're both walking to the same part of the parking lot. You're like, oh, shit. And then you just. You just have to make fun of the moment. You don't want to say goodbye twice.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

That would be insane.

[A]

Did I ever tell you that I accidentally stalked actor BD Wong around Manhattan for a day? You know who that guy is? You know, you saw his face.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's in psychiatrist and he's in Jurassic Park. He's the young Asian scientist at the beginning who hatches the dinosaur from the egg. He has a very recognizable face. He drives a really cool 79,911 Targa with gold BBS wheels on it, really beautiful green paint. And he happened to live next to the building I used to work. Work at every once in a while. I was a big SVU fan at the time. Well, so I see him when I'm having a. I'm having a fucking grit outside before I'm leaving. I See him. We're then like 10 minutes later, I go to the garage where my car's parked. He's there again getting the car. I then I go get lunch. I then go to the gas station on the west side. He's there again. Okay. I then go uptown to a fucking store. He's there again. And by the last one, it was first like, okay, we're leaving a place where we are. We're getting our cars that are near the place where we are. We're get the gas station where it's. And then in the last one he's like, okay, dude, what the fuck? I swear, I swear, man. This is so random. I swear. So funny, so weird. It was so bad. 90s dance organ. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't even know what that is. Cup two girls four in Colorado. Oh, cup two like a tire. Yeah. Okay. How are you liking the white dial Speedmaster? It is exceptional. I have just sent it to England to be ruined and it might have come back actually. Let's see. All right, it's not here yet. Sorry. My watch is returning from England. The white dial Speedmaster is excellent. Recommendation. Lotus Grioppa. What's a car that you would own specifically to mod? We were talking about like a drift car.

[B]

Terminator Mustang. Yeah, if I bought that, I'd instantly put a pulley and pipes on it and stuff. I mean specifically to mod. It's fine. It's like what needs.

[A]

Well, I mean we're doing this Mercedes, we got the car for free. We didn't buy the car for that. But even at a price of zero, I only took it because we were going to do this thing. I would. I had nothing, there's nothing I wanted about this car in stock form.

[B]

What's tough these days with turbotech, it's so tempting to just put even a tune on anything. Even a 9 Turbo giveaway car. Why would you not tune it? If you can gain all this power with no effects on reliability or if you live, I don't know, you get a new Subaru or M2. It's just so accessible these days. Just go.

[A]

I think almost all of my sports car purchases. No, that's not true because we've had the Countach, which is not bought to mod the nsx we put some wheels on it, but that's really it. I would say we had pink car, the safari car and the Mustang and the Mercedes all bought specifically to mod.

[B]

And I think anything I buy, the older the car is, the more likely I am to mod. It because technology has advanced and I can make it better.

[A]

Jedi Master chronometer Dumbest and coolest factory applied badge emblem. So the dumbest digital dirt on the Raptors is pretty bad.

[B]

Oh, I think the dark horse emblem.

[A]

The horse.

[B]

The horse resembles other things. If you especially that light. I know it's not an amount of emblem but when that light shines from the door on the ground, if you look at it the other way, it doesn't look like a horse.

[A]

Really? What does it look like?

[B]

Well, this isn't just me saying this. Also my wife looks like a very specific part of the female anatomy. Some would say the most popular celebrated part. She's like, that's what that looks like.

[A]

Yeah, that's not great. Yeah, it's not great. The digital dirt is pretty rough though. Dumbest. What else is the dumbest factory applied badge?

[B]

Did the Gucci Fiat say Gucci? I'm sure it did.

[A]

Did. Yeah.

[B]

I guess that's signaling. What? That's.

[A]

I mean you know when like any in American cars when they would introduce features and the cars would have a badge that says like anti lock brakes.

[B]

Or tuned fuel injection.

[A]

Tuned port injection or whatever. Any badge that ended up bragging about a feature that was a total failure.

[B]

Also turbine engine.

[A]

Yeah. And oh, the Pzev. The Pzev on Subarus that are not hot hybrid. I never understood that. How does Subaru get a partial zero emissions vehicle badge on a gas powered car? Oh, so they're conventional gas powered vehicles engineered to meet super low, super ultra low emission vehicle exhaust standards. All right. Okay. Federal investigation. What is one life experience you found extremely valuable car related or not? Sitting in jail for three days. Oh, you don't forget that.

[B]

I bet you didn't.

[A]

Yeah, you don't forget that. I'll never forget that smell. Fucking frass.

[B]

Pissing concrete.

[A]

Yeah. And mildew. And the inside of a Porta Potty. Yeah.

[B]

Great.

[A]

Really cool. Blended with 247 fluorescent lighting. Also working retail, you know.

[B]

Yeah. Or working restaurants is so essential. You just learn how to treat everybody nicely.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Granny shifting. Not double clutching like you should. Ever had any embarrassing moments with cars backing out of garage and breaking off a mirror? Driving. Driving away with the gas pump. I just saw someone do it yesterday.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Oh, it's great when someone does it.

[B]

I love it down the road.

[A]

Love it.

[B]

When I had my Pontiac in high school, I was dropping my mom off at the Jeep dealership. She was picking a car up. It was like 6pm and my car did not have a Right side, side mirror. And I pulled into the thing and as I backed up and I was trying to do. Basically do a three point turn in the Jeep driveway, and I turned the wheel to the right and I scraped the whole right side of my car along a brick awning support that I didn't see, forgot was there. Like I pulled in and saw it and forgot it was there. And I just turned the wheel and backed up and I scraped the entire quarter panel of the car. And I didn't. I was so mad, like at the building, as if it's the building's fault. And I was like, dad can't wait. And he's like, this is your problem. Like, this is. I'm not calling them. They're not gonna do anything and you have to pay to fix this.

[A]

I had almost exactly the same thing happen, but it was with a short yellow ball that was like at the end of a parking space. And I just didn't. By the time I came back to my car, I forgot that it was there because I came from the other way when I was like 16. And I crunched the little right behind the front wheel. Just crunched that little bit. Yep. The big one that I was a lesson was I was following. I had a friend who lived in a. Like a gated community, and I was following his mom out of the gated community. We were leaving their house, right. And as the gated community met the road, I was behind the mom and the mom started to go. And I made the mistake of looking back over my shoulder while starting to go instead of checking and then looking forward again and then going. And she. He had started to go and then stopped. And I. While I was over here, my shoulder at three miles an hour. But it was embarrassing. It was literally my friend's mom. I learned a very valuable lesson too. If the car is going forward, you better be looking in that direction.

[B]

Actually, Christian, I think you've asked this question a couple times about the new S class. We haven't done driven it.

[A]

Haven't driven it. Have absolutely no thoughts on it.

[B]

The interior looks a lot like the old one. Just like lots of screens.

[A]

So many screens.

[B]

Huge screen. It's like the waterfall, but they actually just added black borders to it. Right. Instead of having it all kind of connect.

[A]

Talk about what I don't want out of a car.

[B]

I would say that. Yeah. Let you know when we drive the thing.

[A]

Yeah. Likely never. No, we're all right.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

All right, kids, thank you for joining us today. It's been a good week and we got more show for you next week. As a matter of fact, I'm in town. This is weird. I'm here for three weeks with no travel. That's like too much time for me to be at home. I need to find some new and interesting things to do. We have two cars coming next week and I'm going to take them to the track, so that'll be fun. Thank you to our patrons for asking such good questions today. Thank you to everybody for joining us throughout our entire lives. And we'll see you next time. Bye.