Immigration Attorney Sergio Siderman + Jonny Lieberman

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Smoking Tire – Episode Featuring Immigration Attorney Sergio Seiderman and Jonny Lieberman

Introduction In this special episode of The Smoking Tire podcast, hosts Matt Farah and Johnny Lieberman diverge from their usual automotive-centric discussions to address a pressing societal issue: immigration. Joined by immigration attorney Sergio Seiderman, the trio delves deep into the current state of immigration in Los Angeles and the broader United States, offering listeners expert insights and personal anecdotes.

Guest Background: Sergio Seiderman Sergio Seiderman brings a wealth of personal and professional experience to the conversation. Born in Argentina in 1972, Sergio's family endured the horrors of Argentina's Dirty War in the 1970s. His grandfather was kidnapped by the Montoneros and later by the far-right military regime, leading Sergio's family to flee to the United States. This harrowing history fueled Sergio's passion for immigration law.

• “I was born in Argentina. That was in 1972... We fled Argentina that night. When we got him back, he was left dumped out of a jeep with a note...” [06:36]
• “Argentina tried to extradite my grandfather from the United States... our justice system is not a one-way street.” [07:07]

Sergio's legal prowess is underscored by his landmark case, Seiderman vs. Argentina, which established crucial jurisdictional precedents in international human rights law.

Current Immigration Landscape The discussion pivots to the recent ICE raids and the surge in immigration-related activities in LA. Sergio highlights the complexities of the current system, emphasizing the administrative nature of immigration courts and the challenges posed by shifting presidential policies.

• “Immigration courts are part of the executive branch... policies change with each administration.” [30:05]
• “Expedited removal is the same effect as if a judge ordered you deported.” [07:59]

Sergio criticizes the Trump administration's approach to immigration, noting that despite promises of mass deportations, actual enforcement has been inconsistent and ineffective.

• “Trump promised mass deportations. We're gonna get rid of millions of people... Well, the border's essentially closed.” [25:14]
• “He's laying the groundwork... these are the bad guys.” [26:06]

Comparisons to Historical Atrocities A particularly intense segment compares current immigration policies and actions to those of Nazi Germany, drawing parallels between the dehumanization tactics used then and now.

• “It's eerily similar to what Goebbels did in the 1930s, before Hitler came to power.” [26:36]
• “History is certainly repeating itself... We're going the wrong direction.” [61:03]

Political Figures and Their Roles The conversation critically examines the roles of key political figures like Kristi Noem and Stephen Miller, illustrating how their actions and statements contribute to the current immigration crisis.

• “Kristi Noem... her response was, 'I think it's the right for the President to remove anyone he wants.'” [43:09]
• “Stephen Miller... How they need 3,000 deportations a day to meet Trump's number.” [25:14]

Advice for Immigrants Sergio offers practical advice for undocumented immigrants seeking to protect themselves amid heightened enforcement actions. He emphasizes the importance of legal representation and warns against signing voluntary departure forms under duress.

• “Most reputable immigration attorneys will do a consultation for free... Find a way to at least get into process to get your work authorization or your green card.” [50:42]
• “Don't get in a confrontation with ICE. Don't let them into your house unless they have a warrant signed by a federal judge.” [54:10]

Listener Questions and Responses The episode includes a segment where Sergio addresses listener-submitted questions, providing clear and actionable advice on topics such as green card renewal, citizenship processes, and travel concerns for U.S. citizens.

• Listener Question: "My wife has had a green card for 30 years. She did not want to get full citizenship, but may do that now. What should she do?" [63:55]
  • Sergio’s Response: "I recommend taking the US citizenship exam... it's very simple." [65:00]

Conclusion and Upcoming Events The hosts wrap up the episode by returning to their automotive roots, teasing upcoming racing events and personal projects. Matt Farah announces a planned race at Coda in November, involving both himself and Johnny Lieberman, while Johnny shares his excitement about launching a YouTube channel titled "Driving with Johnny."

• “And now here we are with like a real crisis in our city... How did you become an immigration attorney?” [00:04]
• “Johnny Lieberman: Starting my own YouTube channel finally. It should drop on Monday. So that’s the 16th.” [89:27]

Notable Quotes:

• “Immigration is a legal way to come. Requesting asylum is a legal way to come into the United States.” – Sergio Seiderman [22:30]
• “They want the low hanging fruit. They want the guy that can barely or doesn't speak English...” – Sergio Seiderman [38:22]
• “We're going the wrong direction. These Marines have no right like the National Guard, they can't detain anyone.” – Sergio Seiderman [83:35]

Final Thoughts This episode of The Smoking Tire provides a rare and valuable perspective on immigration, blending personal history with expert legal insights. Sergio Seiderman's contributions offer listeners a deeper understanding of the systemic issues and human stories behind immigration policies, making it a must-listen for those seeking informed and compassionate discussions on the topic.

For more in-depth car reviews and upcoming episodes, visit The Smoking Tire YouTube Channel.

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

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[Johnny Lieberman]

Hey, guys, on the job training.

[Matt Farah]

Okay? It's the show. So here's the thing. I was in Italy. We don't need to talk about that. But I'm always somewhere else when bad things happen. I was like another country when the fires happened. And I'm in Italy and, like, wow, the shit went down in LA while I was gone.

[Sergio Seiderman]

That's fortunate, right?

[Matt Farah]

And I was reading this book by Rutger Bregman called Humankind, which, I don't know. I really recommend it. Gift from my friend Travis. That basically argues in many pages that humans are not actually hardwired to fight. We're hardwired to cooperate. It argues against what they call veneer theory, which is like, there's a thin veneer of civility, and then it's Lord.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Of the Flies, right? If you don't go to church, then you'll just start raping.

[Matt Farah]

So I'm reading this and then seeing this shit in la, and I'm going, well, how do we cut through the noise? And I go, we have to get Sergio in the studio. Because Studio Sergio lives and breathes the fucking ground level of this stuff.

[Sergio Seiderman]

True.

[Matt Farah]

He's not a pundit or a politician. He's an immigration lawyer. And, oh, by the way, I've just gotten approval to race with Sergio and Johnny.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, yes.

[Matt Farah]

In Coda in November. I talked to wrl. I'm. I'm good to go. Ready to race.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Do I actually talk to anybody?

[Matt Farah]

Probably not.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Probably not.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You already did one. But I did the oldest kid. Tato.

[Matt Farah]

Yes. Apparently very.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He's a rocket. Yeah, he's a rocket.

[Matt Farah]

Apparently very fast. And Sergio is, like, a pillar of the LA car community. You put on these amazing events at your place, which I'm jealous of, and you've just kind of. When Johnny introduced me to you, immediately, you were, like, the kindest person I've met around here.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Let me back up.

[Sergio Seiderman]

They don't know me.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Well, there's that. But the day I met. The moment I met Sergio, he was like, hey, you want to drive my McLaren 720s?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Literally. First thing he says to me, you're.

[Matt Farah]

That kind of guy.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And I was like, yes, that's a good car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's a great car.

[Matt Farah]

And your wife and you treated Hannah and I to an amazing dinner. Providence. And you've always been so kind to us, and now here we are with like a real crisis in our city. But before we get to that cause you're new to the show and I'm really glad you're here. And I don't know you that well, but I know you well enough to know I like you. How did you become an immigration attorney and what's your background story?

[Sergio Seiderman]

All right, so it's a very long story. I'm going to keep it short, not bore everybody, but I was born in Argentina. That was in 1972. So you can date me now. In 1974, my grandfather was kidnapped by the leftists for ransom. They were called the Montoneros in Argentina and paid the ransom. He was released. My family in Argentina were well to do Jews. In 1976, the far right overthrew the civilian government and the military kidnapped my grandfather in 1976. The case, it was a huge disaster for our family. We fled Argentina that night. When we got him back, got my grandfather back a week later, he was left dumped out of a jeep with a note in his pocket saying, leave the country in 24 hours, whole family or we're gonna kill everybody. He had already been forced to sign over all of his assets to the military leader in Tucuman, which is where we're from. And we fled, came to the United States, started a civil case against Argentina. It's called Seiderman vs Argentina. If you're interested, just Google Seiderman vs Argentina.

[Johnny Lieberman]

His last name is Seiderman.

[Matt Farah]

And you can sue a country.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Not until Seiderman versus Argentina.

[Matt Farah]

Seriously, are you the first person to ever sue a country?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Well, I go to law school 20 years later or 18 years later, and I take international human rights class in my second year. Open up the book. And the professor says, okay, first case we need to read is Seiderman vs Argentina, because that's how we establish jurisdiction. I was like, oh shit. You know, it's bigger than I thought.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Wow.

[Sergio Seiderman]

So it's basically Argentina tried to extradite my grandfather from the United States. When he started talking to the media and exposing the kidnappings, the murders, they kidnapped and killed a lot of people in 1976. There's a holiday for it in Argentina. And you know, the case went to the 9th Circuit. We won in the 9th Circuit and then the Supreme Court denied certification to Argentina. The reason for the jurisdiction, by the way, was our justice system in the U.S. according to the judges, is not a one way street. So if you want to use our justice system, our courts, to extradite old man Seiderman, he can use the courts to go after you for what you took from him.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, wow.

[Sergio Seiderman]

That's how we established jurisdiction.

[Matt Farah]

Wow.

[Sergio Seiderman]

That got my interest in the law. Got my. And we lived in this country. This is crazy part. We lived in the United States after fleeing Argentina for years without papers. We were undocumented because the US Denied our asylum claims. Apparently, the US Government was in cahoots with the far right Argentinian military overthrow.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I was going to say that sounds a bit about right for the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And in 1982, when we wanted the district court at the lowest level, my grandfather's first case against Argentina, we win. And then the United States State Department sends an amicus brief, friend of the court brief, saying, don't do this. Overturn the judgment. It'll ruin our relations with Argentina, blah, blah, blah. So they overturned the judgment. We had to appeal to the ninth Circuit, and that's where we won. And then the Supreme Court sided with us, and then Argentina settled.

[Matt Farah]

Wow.

[Sergio Seiderman]

I hope for a lot it was all right. There's still, you know, they also gave back properties that are very difficult to do anything with. Huh.

[Matt Farah]

Interesting.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

I was not expecting this origin story.

[Matt Farah]

Holy. It's kind of crazy. So how long did your grandfather live for? How long?

[Sergio Seiderman]

He lived a long time. So he died in 2002, and he had won the judge, won the judgment and got paid out in the. In the settlement with Argentina in 1996.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay.

[Sergio Seiderman]

So he got to enjoy.

[Matt Farah]

He got to enjoy a little bit.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah. And he was with it, you know, like, he wasn't like, wheelchair bound and dementia like that. He was totally fine until the last.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The men in your family seem to age. Well, I say that having met your father, who you told me was like, the time was like, 75, and I'm like, he looks better than me. Oh, yeah.

[Sergio Seiderman]

I hope I got some of his genes.

[Matt Farah]

Sergio's pretty ageless as well over here.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So when you went to law school and you're like, yeah, I'm Ciderman. And they were. Was that blowing people's minds or.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Not really.

[Matt Farah]

Does that happen a lot in law school?

[Sergio Seiderman]

For people that are involved in international law, human rights law, for them, it's a big deal. No one else knows. Okay. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Well, now everyone on this podcast knows. Hopefully lawyers out there are like, hey, that's. That's the guy.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. So you, you know, how did. You came here? Undocumented.

[Sergio Seiderman]

So we came here on tourist visas. We applied for asylum. We were denied asylum.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's insane.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Which is crazy.

[Matt Farah]

Textbook asylum.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Like a note in your pocket saying, you have 24 hours to leave or else.

[Sergio Seiderman]

It fits the definition of asylum.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We can't read Spanish. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The government's literally trying to get us back from here right now.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Because we're talking about this, like, right? As you guys know, I do asylum cases every single day. We, my Firm has over 60,000 clients. We do a lot of asylum claims. I have never seen a better asylum case than my own families, which was denied. So either we had terrible lawyers or, you know, that's crazy.

[Matt Farah]

That's fucking crazy.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And you just went back to Argentina for the first time, like recently, right?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah, I couldn't go back for a long time. Okay. So in the US nobody knows my last name in Argentina. It's well known. And my parents were terrified of me going back there, especially under prior governments. And then there was this other catch. Because there's a lot of kidnappings right, in Argentina, like a lot of Central South American countries.

[Matt Farah]

Kingpin. Where it's like, don't get cidermaned. Does that like mean something? Is your name like a bad verb? Like shit.

[Sergio Seiderman]

It's well known for. And it's synonymous with a disaster that happened in the 70s, the Dirty War. So when I was born in Argentina, there was a lottery system where if you got a certain number, you had to go to the military when you turned 18. And I happened to land on this lottery number. So I was one of those guys that's supposed to report when they're 18. Well, they kicked us out of the country. I was unable to go back.

[Matt Farah]

I have a note.

[Unknown]

You have a closing note.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Doctor's note.

[Matt Farah]

Sir, I have a note.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Does this work for doctor?

[Unknown]

This says, but this says you'll kill me if I sign up.

[Sergio Seiderman]

It was actually signed by one. It wasn't signed by one of your generals.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Recognize the handwriting?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Interestingly, the general that was in charge of kidnapping my grandfather and torturing him and stealing all his properties was eventually elected governor of the province that we're from before more sane minds took control of the government. And he then went to jail.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, okay.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah, A lot of the guys that were involved in the kidnappings, tortures, and murders in Argentina were later tried mini Nuremberg style.

[Matt Farah]

That is something we're unfamiliar with in this country, unfortunately.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, but it's crazy.

[Matt Farah]

Like put on news networks 10 years later and be like, expert on kidnapping and murder. Holly north is the only year to talk to us.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't know much about Argentina, but I was down there 2001, let's say. And I remember I had, like a Sunday to myself. And so they had an English language newspaper. And I got in, I was gonna have like a coffee and a cigarette and read the paper. And I got to page, like, 47, and it's like, vice President resigns accuses president of corruption. It was like, page 47. And I remember the guy I was staying with, his name was Christian. I was like, christ. He goes, we've had over 50 presidents since World War II. Like, it's not news.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And a lot of them go to jail.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Sergio Seiderman]

I mean, in that sense, Argentina does a better job of convicting their criminal presidents than we have.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right, right, right.

[Sergio Seiderman]

The front page today in Argentina on every newspaper is that the last president, Cristina Kirchner, is going to jail. The corruption, I mean, on the one.

[Matt Farah]

Hand, someone will be like, see, look how corrupt they are. On the other hand, like, they're being held accountable. And no one here is held accountable for shit. Thank you, Russ. Coffee. Coffee. At wccs, full service.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Unfortunately, in Argentina, it's systemic. So the corruption goes from the meter maids, which they don't actually have meter maids. They have, like, basically gang members that will come up to your car and you pay them. It's free parking. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Watch your car for you, but they'll.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Watch it for you. Then you give them the money, and as you're walking away, you see a cop car pull up and they give some of the money to the cop car. Like the guy's coming to collect his part. And it goes from there all the way to the judges and to the presidency.

[Matt Farah]

Nuts. Okay, so Argentina is insane.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Beautiful.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, beautiful.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Great place to visit. It's on the mend. As crazy as the new President Milei is, there's some positive changes happening also.

[Matt Farah]

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[Sergio Seiderman]

U.S. so my grandfather had three kids, my dad and two sisters. One of the sisters had come to the U.S. in the 60s, married a U.S. citizen and she was living in Tampa, Florida. And eventually she was able to petition her dad, my grandfather, and then when he had his green card, he was able to petition my dad and his wife. And that's how we eventually did it through the petition process.

[Matt Farah]

So a lot of people, you know, I see on pundits and wherever are they really just want people to do it the right way. I'm okay, I'm okay with all with immigration from wherever. Just it's got to be done the right way.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Even though if you go back and look at their, how their family got here, nothing was right about. Forget that.

[Matt Farah]

Forget that. But I just, just like level headed.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

From an expert.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

What's the right way?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Well, technically, the right way is to, you know, if you're living outside of the US there's multiple pathways that you can get your green card even before you come to the US or there's things like the fiance visa where you're going to marry someone that's outside of our borders. They can come into the US with this K visa, the fiance visa. And if you get married within 90 days. Days, then that person can stay and get their green card. There's investor visas where you can invest a million dollars in the United States and basically that's an overnight green card for you and your family. There's multiple ways to do it the right way from the get Go. But they take time and money. And by the way, another right way to do it. It is asylum. Like, if you are fleeing a situation where your life is at risk, like Venezuela. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Or a lot of. A lot of places for a lot of reasons.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Or apparently South Africa.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Now, only if you're white.

[Matt Farah]

Only if you're white only.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Please excuse me, but asylum is a legal way to come. You know, requesting asylum is a legal way to come into the United States. You know, the Statue of Liberty, the plaque, the Colossus poem at the bottom basically says, give me your poor, downtrodden, tired. There are many, many right ways to come in. And most people that have been coming in over the last couple years across the border through these CBP1 offices are coming through with asylum. They're trying to do it the right way.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, so. So I've been reading stories that literally, people are getting thrown into vans and pulled from places like Home Depot, the side of the road. Their own court hearings, maybe. Is this true or is this bullshit true?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Kids, birthday parties, school graduations.

[Sergio Seiderman]

True, true, true. So, interestingly, there's this conundrum that the Trump administration has put itself into. Trump promised mass deportations. We're gonna get rid of millions of people. According to the Census, there's over 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States. And Trump promised to mass deportations. Millions of people. They want to hit at least a million people per year. Well, the Biden administration and the Obama administration deported so many more people than the Trump administration ever has. And part of the reason is most deportations happen at the border.

[Matt Farah]

So, like, being, like, just turned away.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah, if you're turned around, you've been deported. Right. On your record, you're deported.

[Matt Farah]

I didn't know that that was considered that way.

[Sergio Seiderman]

It's called expedited removal, and it started in 1997, where instead of just being called a turnaround, which wasn't that bad for your immigration record, expedited removal is the same effect as if a judge ordered you deported. Okay, so the deportation numbers were so high under Obama, they were so high under Biden. Well, now the border is essentially closed because these CBP1 offices that would admit people legally into the United States with valid asylum claims, they would do credible fear interviews. And if they met that minimum standard, they were allowed in to fight their asylum case, as they should be. The border's essentially closed. And so the number of deportations that Trump can tout is so much fewer than before, because no one's being turned around anymore. Right. And they're not even attempting to come across the border, which I think is fine. Like, you should have a good asylum office and process to let people in that are in fear of their lives. Like, that's what this country stands for, at least in my opinion. But you also need a secure border. Well, we have a secure border for the most part, on the Southern, Southern end. But now what? How are you going to get those numbers that you've promised your voters? How are you going to get to those millions? Well, Stephen Miller, fucking psychopath.

[Matt Farah]

That's a scary, scary, scary.

[Sergio Seiderman]

If you read his background and what.

[Matt Farah]

He was like as a kid, death in the eyes.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I just say, as a Jew, he's so fucking embarrassing. I am just so embarrassed for him.

[Matt Farah]

Ghoulish man.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Anyway, associated with us.

[Sergio Seiderman]

So he was recorded in a meeting, and then he came out and on the talk shows talked about how they need 3,000 deportations a day to meet Trump's number. And we're gonna get it. Well, if you can't do it at the border, which is where most of the deportations are taking place, you're gonna have to do it on the streets. And in the past, you know, besides the border, the other location where they would get a lot of deportations were the jails, where, you know, you get.

[Matt Farah]

Arrested for something else, Right?

[Sergio Seiderman]

You get arrested for doing something bad. They, you know, even the sanctuary cities would turn you over to ICE if you were a criminal and you get deported. Well, that stuff's not happening either. And so what they're really going after is just, do you look foreign and.

[Johnny Lieberman]

A certain type of foreign, right? Yeah.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Right. Like, do you look.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They're not going after, like, Irishmen.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah, well, they laid the groundwork first, Right. Over the last year and a half of campaigning, they have villainized the Latino community.

[Matt Farah]

It's an invasion. All this disgusting, dehumanizing.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Right. I mean, it is so eerily similar to what Goebbels did in 1930s, before Hitler came to power. You know, they started laying the groundwork for, these are the bad guys. These are the.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The reason you're poor is the Jews, right? Right. Yeah. And the reason you're poor is the brown guys.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Right? And now it's like, though, the reason that you don't have the job you want is because, you know, the brown guy came in and took your job, which nobody wants. They did. I think it was a 60 Minutes that I saw where they offered prisoners at a maximum security prison. These guys had one hour a day to be outside in Mississippi or Alabama. And they were offered a full day outdoors, but they had to pick watermelon. Not one of the prisoners lasted a day. They all begged to go back to their jail cells, where they're enclosed for 23 hours a day. So they're not taking the jobs from anyone.

[Matt Farah]

Did they try asking for one bucket of cold beer for their men? No, we can't make Shawshank. Okay, sorry. That was insensitive.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah, it's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You told me the greatest thing when the first Trump administration, that they just did everything. So not by the books, Everything just got like, you know, they were trying to deport all these people. Like, I think you're telling me it was people applying for green cards, and they basically, like, stopped that process. Right. And everything got tied up in courts. It was anarchy. And then when Biden came in, they just said, all right, everyone who's tied up gets a green card. So in other words, like, if 300, you can retell the story, but, like, if 300 people would have got it, 600 people wound up getting green cards. So Trump, with his just anarchy caused.

[Matt Farah]

More immigration to unstop the dam. They just said, well, fuck it. I don't know.

[Sergio Seiderman]

You said what they really wanted to do. He wanted to be the tough guy, right? He's Lt. Bone spurs wants to show how tough he is.

[Matt Farah]

It's optics. It's all fucking optics.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And so that just like the criminal courts, if your criminal courts took every single case to trial, every dui, every misdemeanor, for you to get a speedy trial would take 20 years, right? So the criminal court system depends on the plea bargain program so that they can survive, so that they can function well. Trump said to the immigration courts, which are very similar to the criminal courts in that aspect, he said, no more arrangements, no more deals. Everything goes to trial. No matter how good a person is, no matter what, everything goes to trial. All these asylum cases, everything. And in the past, 90 plus percent of all these cases would get settled, you know, if the person had no criminal history, had good connections to the United States, was not financially dependent on the government in any way, then they would get possibly a work authorization that they could renew every year, and they'd freeze the case. If they ever did anything wrong in the future, they'd unfreeze the case and deport the guy.

[Matt Farah]

Okay?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Very simple process that came to a screeching halt. And the time to hear your case from the Obama administration, which would have been like six months from the time that you get a Notice to appear to the time that you actually are having your case heard increased to seven years.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Whoa.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Well, Trump wouldn't be in office by the time that you go to trial. Yeah. And you know, unlike the criminal court system and every other court which fall under the judiciary, the immigration courts are not part of the judiciary. They're part of the executive branch, which means that the boss is the President. The President runs those judges. They're not even technically, you know, full federal judges. They are administrative judges and they report to the President.

[Matt Farah]

So has that always been the case? Yeah, I did not know that.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah, yeah, Administrative judges did not know that. You can appeal it and eventually get to the 9th Circuit, which is under the judiciary. But at the administrative level, most of the case, where most of the cases are, it's under the executive branch.

[Matt Farah]

Wow. I did not know that at all.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And so when the presidents change, the policies change. And everything he did in his first term was for naught because when Biden came into office right afterwards, he saw, okay, you've got no criminal history, you've got strong connections to the United States, kids born here, married to a US Citizen, whatever, and you're not financially dependent on the country. You pay taxes, you can stay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But everybody, it just got like fast tracked. Everybody got fast tracked. Yeah.

[Sergio Seiderman]

They didn't get green cards, they got work authors. Sorry.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But okay, but yeah, but so Trump inadvertently let more foreigners in. Oh, yeah. Which is kind of great.

[Matt Farah]

So you just, you know, to go back, it's not happening at the border, it's not happening at the jails. Is that because the people that are maybe here undocumented are keeping a low profile because they're worried about being caught and going to jail? Or is it just there's not a lot of people left?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Well, to begin with, the. As much as they've been vilified, the Latino community in general is drastically less criminal than most American born communities, including white born American, black born American. It is much less likely. And Stanford did a big study on this. I was gonna bring that. I'll share it with you when I get to the office this afternoon.

[Matt Farah]

If you send it, we can drop the link in the show. Notes.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah, it's a. Zach. And find it's a very, very good study done by Stanford showing that the criminal likelihood of a white American is significantly higher than an immigrant. An immigrant.

[Matt Farah]

I am not the least bit surprised.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I mean, it's one of those things where I've like news has been going on about this, but Senator Tuberville is going on about LA is this criminal hellhole.

[Unknown]

And he's like, he's got great stock tips though.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, he's like, Alabama has three times the murder rate of Los Angeles.

[Matt Farah]

Well, and it also. You ever read.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Shit.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Here's the thing.

[Matt Farah]

The guy who does the mythical tie between immigration and crime is that it, researched by Stanford's Ran Abramitsky and co authors, uncovers the most extensive evidence to date that immigrants are less likely to be imprisoned than us born individuals. From July 2020 23, we'll drop the link to that in the notes.

[Unknown]

I mean the big lies. The author is fine. That hasn't been the case in America for 140 years.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Shit.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, the other thing is what is considered crime, right? A lot of people, a lot of people would not consider some really fucked up white collar crimes to be crimes. A lot of people don't consider crimes committed by cops to be crimes. And if you factor them shits in, dude, I was living in a very high crime area growing up. 3 acre properties. But they were fucking selling Oxycontin, crashing the economy and wrecking everybody's lives. Well, also all criminals.

[Johnny Lieberman]

What about beating a cop with a Confederate flag inside the Capitol?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, not anymore.

[Johnny Lieberman]

What if you defecate on the floor after you beat the cop?

[Matt Farah]

You get a medal, a medal of honor.

[Johnny Lieberman]

For that you become a special advisor.

[Sergio Seiderman]

If it's a Trump flag, you get a get out of jail free card. Oh, right, right, right.

[Matt Farah]

Wait, so you said now you just said when they run out at the border and they run out of the jails, they're hitting the streets, which means.

[Sergio Seiderman]

The Home Depots, which is so absurd. Before being elected, Trump made it really clear that they were going to go after these bad hombres and that these criminal gangs and they show MS.13 and all that. I don't see them getting into gunfights with MS.13. I don't see them going into East LA to the barrios where they know exactly where these guys hang out and confronting them. But they are saying that all these people are actually criminals because by entering the country illegally, that's a crime and thus criminal.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's a civil crime. It's a real nice circle of justification, isn't it?

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's like Trump is a convicted felon for the money, but he's convicted civilly of sexual assault. Big difference.

[Sergio Seiderman]

They will also say that, that many of them are working without a work authorization. That's a crime.

[Matt Farah]

That's a crime.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Well, if you compare that, if you call that Level of crime. The crime that's gonna get you kicked out of a country. We're gonna end up with no people here.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So that I wrote this down. If you're here undocumented, you're at a Home Depot, you're trying to fucking do drywall. Okay, guys, right over there.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

What is the exact crime that that guy is allegedly doing? An undocumented person trying to work in a Home Depot parking lot. Like, literally, what is he accused of?

[Sergio Seiderman]

He working without authorization and being inside the country illegally. Those are his crimes.

[Matt Farah]

And what, like violation, misdemeanor, felony? Like, what is the degree of crime that that is?

[Sergio Seiderman]

I don't even think it's a misdemeanor.

[Matt Farah]

It's not even a misdemeanor.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's not criminal. It's civil. It's a civil offense.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And think of it this way, the penalties for hiring and employing undocumented people is virtually nothing. It's a slap on the wrist. I don't even think there's a financial aspect to it.

[Matt Farah]

So, yeah, obviously they're not trying to disrupt capitalism or the business ownership class with this. But. So wait, so are you saying that like, something like shoplifting could easily be a much bigger crime?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Significantly, that's a.

[Matt Farah]

Than being an undocumented person in California right now, for which the punishment appears to be being kidnapped off the street and sent somewhere?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Right, right, right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

El Salvador is lovely this time of year.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So without violating your attorney client privilege, do you have clients that have fucking been yanked off the street in Los Angeles?

[Sergio Seiderman]

So normally our clients don't get yanked because we give them proof of representation. We give them an ID card with their case number on it that any ICE official can just look up the case number on the spot and see that that person's in process or that person has some type of status in the U.S. we also encourage our clients to carry around the receipt that the government sends you that says, for example, your US citizen's son is petitioning you. That's an i130 petition. Keep a copy of that on you. And in practice, what we have seen is that ICE doesn't want to detain or get tangled up with people that are represented by immigration attorneys and that have open cases. It's just too much trouble for them. They want the low hanging fruit. They want the guy that can barely or doesn't speak English, has no representation in this country, no one to fight on his behalf or her behalf, and has nothing in process, doesn't have an open asylum case, just Snuck in. That's what they're really looking for.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Okay. And if someone is that low hanging fruit to not disrespect that person, being a human, if they have no papers.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And no lawyer, we're getting them now as clients because they're contacting us from the detention centers or the family members are contacting us, telling us that, you know, my brother, my dad, my husband was just detained. Can you help us? Those are urgent cases. In the event that someone already had a pre existing deportation order, maybe they crossed over illegally. Twenty years ago, they got one of these expedited removals. It shows up on their record when ICE gets them a second time. Or right now in these raids, if they get them before 4pm in LA, they'll be in Mexico by the next day. So there's very little time to act. If they don't have any prior immigration issues in those cases, we can do a bond hearing and get them out and then we're going to fight their asylum case. But it's eerily reminiscent of 1930s Germany.

[Matt Farah]

It's got a very fascist vibe to all of it. And then we have. Because in LA particularly, and I can't necessarily speak like these people are like our neighbors.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The idea that they would be categorized as like an invading anything is insane.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Correct.

[Matt Farah]

They make delicious fucking food for us. They work in our businesses and take care of our households.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And anyone listening in America, what you ate for breakfast, lunch and dinner today was picked by undocumented workers. And we can't get our blanket asylum. We've been fighting this since, I don't know, since forever, since the 70s. We can't give anyone amnesty. But everything you eat, if you're in a small town and you had your Hardee's 99 cent menu or whatever, the reason it's 99 cents is there's no wages going to the people picking it. It's insane. It's a fabric of our country.

[Sergio Seiderman]

1, 2 times in recent history they've done programs that did legalize hundreds of thousands of immigrants. Reagan did it with an amnesty program during his term and he was very pro immigration. If you hear some of his old speeches, he is all about bringing the immigrants, immigrants. And if you couldn't get in, you know, through the amnesty program, they would give you these worker cards that you could come across the board.

[Matt Farah]

Braceros, right? Wasn't that what it was? The bracero program?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah. Carta del campo. And they would come in, work, go back. We as a society, we don't realize or at least a lot of the voters don't realize we cannot function without them. And then Clinton did it in 2001. It's called the 245i program. And he basically forgave unlawful entries as long as you didn't have a criminal history. You know, the usual stuff. And again, we added hundreds of thousands of immigrants, maybe over a million, through the 245i program. And they got their green cards and, you know, they lose the green card if they commit a crime. It's unlike citizenship.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Like, crimes are still illegal. It's. Of course, there's this categorization that they're all doing crimes.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And it's like, well, no, those are still cleaning houses and gardening lawns.

[Matt Farah]

But some are doing crimes, and those crimes are still very few. Yeah, I know, but, like, statistically, sure, some.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Like, we have laws for that, like, already.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yep. But it's a tough situation.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. The. My, like, because I don't have the words for all of it, because it's actually quite overwhelming, you know, because. And the protesters in downtown LA are. They're defending what feels like an army that's come to take our fucking neighbors. Like a black hat army.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, Right.

[Matt Farah]

Feels like some crazy Central American, you know, black ops shit. Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Wearing masks, armed with teeth.

[Matt Farah]

It feels extrajudicial. It feels like there's a denial of due process. Is there a denial of due process or does it just feel like that to me because I'm a softie?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Absolute denial of due process. In fact, the woman in charge, Kristi Noem, she's a.

[Matt Farah]

Her and Stephen Miller fucking deserve each other.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Well, she. I mean, she's one of the top law enforcement officers in the country. Right. And they asked her in a congressional hearing if she knew what habeas corpus meant.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right. Yeah, yeah.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And her response was, you know, she didn't know the answer. And she said, I think it's the right for the President to remove anyone he wants. Holy shit. You know, we've elected a cast of clowns. If you haven't seen the movie Idiocracy, where they introduce the Cabinet. I have more confidence in that Cabinet from Idiocracy than I do in the one we have now.

[Johnny Lieberman]

If you go back to the first term, you look at, like, Trump's cabinet, he wanted to do all this shit and he had adults in the room that stopped him. He wanted military parades. Right. Mark Milley and what's his face. The other one. Not Miley, the first Master. No, I forget. The guy's Name. I guess he has.

[Matt Farah]

I tried to block them all out, frankly.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, he was an alright guy, but he said like, no, this is what like the Soviets did military parades. Down, down in front of the Capitol with tanks. That's not what Americans do. In fact, we don't really want the army on our streets.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you're not supposed to have that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And he wanted to do all this shit and there was just like adults that blocked him at every turn. And so this time the reason he appointed people with no philosophy, with no soul, with no morals, with no news, just power hungry schmucks with the biggest personality defects that exist is because they won't stop him. They have nothing without him. Yes, she was the governor of South Dakota, you know, but she is all part of the same platform. But like she's never. No pushback. Look at the worst of all, I think really is Mike Johnson.

[Matt Farah]

Bragging about shooting a puppy is pretty bad.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's Mike Johnson though. Mike Johnson is the most feckless, bootlicking, lying, talks to God, like literally goes out in public and says God told me to do this and that.

[Matt Farah]

Like doesn't he compare jerk off notes with his kid? Yes, yes. That one's pretty weird too. I think that's peak weird.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's why.

[Matt Farah]

Talk about jerk off.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's why they have these people, they're both random. Yes, really gross. And I heard it was gay porn. That was his real problem. But anyways, and it's fine, just be gay, don't hide it.

[Sergio Seiderman]

There's one optic that I don't like coming from the protesters and that's the. All the Mexican flags waving.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, they should be Trump and Confederate flags.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Oh wait, no, no. Like these people, you know, for the most part, most of the immigrants have been here for a really long time and they try to assimilate. A lot of them won't even let their kids speak Spanish, you know, they want them to speak English. It's different than the immigration issues that other countries in Europe have. Our immigrants want to be here. They want to be part of this society. They contribute. They are rarely criminals. And seeing the Mexican flags waving plays into what Trump is saying, that we're under this Mexican invas. The optics are bad.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, because you can go to a lot of, whether it's a protest or a parade and see multinational flags.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Right, of course.

[Matt Farah]

But you probably should put it alongside, put them together.

[Sergio Seiderman]

I participate in a big Mexican parade every year in September and it's all Mexican flags, you know, but it's a Mexican pride parade that I. That I'm a part of. This is more, you know, we.

[Matt Farah]

You are.

[Sergio Seiderman]

I want it to be. I want people to see they're coming after your neighbors. They're coming after people just like us.

[Unknown]

Like, not saying you want an army waving American flags or just no flag. Like, because I think if they're waving American flags, it would, it would be grabbed onto by right wing news sources and they'd go, oh, look, these people are celebrating the removal of these other flags. Which obviously would be.

[Matt Farah]

I think he's probably saying, if you've got a cop shooting tear gas at a bunch of people waving American flags, it's tough to argue that that is an invasion and that the photo that's now been everywhere of the dude on the dirt bike with the Mexican flag in front of the burning car, that's a bad photo if you have bad intentions.

[Sergio Seiderman]

I'm super disappointed how the American flag has been appropriated by the far right and it's now like a symb of white supremacy.

[Matt Farah]

It bugs me out. I've done some road tripping across certain parts of the US recently and if I see enough American flags, like, I actually feel like it's like a threatening. Right thing. Right. Which is a crazy thing to feel.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You should go to Mississippi as a.

[Matt Farah]

Fucking, you know, someone who like looks like me and was born here. That's crazy to feel.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah. We need to take that flag back.

[Matt Farah]

Sure, I can see that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I went through Mississippi a couple years ago and it was only Confederate flags or Trump flags. Was actually no US Flags, just Confederate and Trump.

[Matt Farah]

Look, there's always a lower half.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Sergio Seiderman]

This is a wrong turn in Idaho at Coeur d' Alene.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, well, yeah, I took Coeur d'.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Alene's a nice lake.

[Matt Farah]

Parts of it. Parts of it.

[Sergio Seiderman]

There's. There's some big money, you know.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Very civilized people around that lake.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And Nazis.

[Sergio Seiderman]

My wife and I with the kids took a wrong turn and we're going down the street and there's, you know, a lot of. Of American flags and Nazi flags. Like full swastika flags, red swastika flags hanging in front of people's houses.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, that's Coeur d' Alene.

[Unknown]

Well, Idaho has more white supremacy groups per capita than any other state, which is fun.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I think Orange county has them beat. But.

[Matt Farah]

But surf Nazis are their own kind of thing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But I was also going to say the real quick, though, the thing with the Mexican flag, like, just imagine if, what you were saying, if they were Waving like a Canadian flag. Like part of where the US flag has been co opted by the far right. The Mexican flag, which is just the flag of the country that borders us. There's nothing wrong with a Mexican flag. Who cares? It's not illegal to wave a Mexican flag.

[Sergio Seiderman]

No, it's definitely not illegal. It just plays into the narrative.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I know what you're saying, but the reason that narrative exists is because people are so afraid of Mexicans where it's like, imagine being French and you're terrified of bell. Being terrified of German's fine, but like Belgiums, you know what I mean? It's just. It's ridiculous.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I don't want to tell someone how to protest. Do your thing. But I can see it's a bad. It could be a bad look.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, it's unorganized. These are like, again, they were. What's it called? The plastic handcuffs, Strap ties or strap tying. They're zip tying. Like you know, fourth graders out of, out of graduation. You know what I mean? So like. Yeah, they're just gonna approach us. What does the guy have? He has a Mexican flag and a dirt bike. Like it's not some like, like grand organized scheme, you know? I totally understand what you're saying. I'm just saying there is a raw nerve. There is raw anger. One more thing. It's contained to like eight blocks. It's.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, like, like Portland during Black Lives Matter. And they're like, they're burning the city. And you look like, oh, it's two blocks.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I drove. I think it's like 12 miles from my house to here. Like, I, I like, nothing's burning. No, it's fine.

[Matt Farah]

Look, I, you know, you know, it's real fucked up what we're seeing in this city. Look, by the time that from today to two days when this goes up, it could be different. I don't know what can. If people are. What would you say if someone's nervous for themselves or nervous for their neighbor or their family? What are a couple easy things they can do to protect themselves?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Okay, so number one, most of the reputable, decent immigration attorneys will do a consultation for free. So make sure that they are focused on immigration. It's next to the tax code. It's the second most complicated area of law. So deal with someone, get a free consultation and get moving. In the past in Spanish, people would say that we're going to hide in the shadows. Those shadows don't exist anymore. There's nowhere to hide. So you really need to get your shit together. And find a way to at least get into process to get your work authorization or your green card. 99% of all the avenues to obtain your papers are still available. The only ones that Trump has been able to get rid of are the ones that were executive orders by Biden and Obama, like the DACA program, the Dreamers. He was able to get rid of those. But to protect yourself, definitely don't get in a confrontation with ice. Don't let them into your house unless they have a warrant signed by a federal judge. A lot of times, as has been captured on video, ICE will lie about what they're doing at your house. They'll say that they're the police. They won't say that they're their ice. They'll say that they do have a warrant. When they don't have a warrant. Warrant, you gotta be super careful. So don't let them in. The Telemundo just did a piece last week on one of my clients who only her kids were home. She wasn't home yet. Kids are terrified. There's two ICE agents at the front door, two ICE agents at the back door, and then two others in the street. And they called the mom. Mom says, call your lawyer. So they called me and I said, let me talk to the ICE officers. The mom comes running home, she shows the ICE officers the ID card I gave her, and they went away. So they're not looking to get entangled with people that are represented. They're not looking to get involved in open cases. They're looking for easy, low hanging truth.

[Matt Farah]

The idea of, of quotas.

[Sergio Seiderman]

When it comes to 3,000 a day.

[Matt Farah]

We talk about quotas within the context of speeding tickets and bullshit like that, which it's such a perverse incentive. And this is so much more of a perverse incentive.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah. And what they're doing is they have lists of people that already have deportation orders and they're going to those addresses. Right, that's, that's the reason that they're primarily going into neighborhoods is because they do have certain targets, but their orders are. And anyone else that shouldn't be here. So they go into a house looking for Joe Smith, and Joe Smith, maybe he's not there, but they're gonna ask everyone else in the house for their documentation and anyone who doesn't have it, they're gonna arrest. So it's opportunistic.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And 3,000 a day, you're just gonna make mistakes. You're doing a million a year mistakes.

[Matt Farah]

Big M. Have you had clients that have been physically Deported that have every right to be here.

[Sergio Seiderman]

I haven't.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And most of the decent immigration attorneys that are looking out for their clients, that's not going to happen. It's going to have most of the deportations, the people you see being lined up on the planes. Those are very easy grabs for them. Home Depot parking lots, they don't speak English, they don't know anybody, they don't know their rights. And instead of being locked up in a detention facility for 30 days, six months, whatever, they would rather be sent out.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, do they get to choose?

[Sergio Seiderman]

There's something called. I mean, Kristi Noem is going on virtually every news channel and radio, including the Spanish radio stations, and inviting people to self deploying. When you are detained, they will offer you what's called a voluntary departure form. And we encourage our clients to never, ever, ever sign that. And I would encourage all immigrants to never sign that. In her advertisements that I'm sure you're going to hear over and over again, she says, you know, if you leave now, you can return in the future, which is a lie, which is bullshit. Once you have a deportation order, even though it may say that you're prohibited from reentry for 10 years, 20 years, whatever the penalty is, the reality is you're never coming back.

[Matt Farah]

Wow. That Cobby dude from TikTok did a voluntary deportation at an airport in America, like three days ago.

[Unknown]

The really famous guy?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. He overstayed a visa and they kicked him out, but they said he voluntarily deported himself at the bottom border. So that dude's probably never coming back.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Overstaying a visa, you shouldn't leave.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right.

[Sergio Seiderman]

The fact that you were. One of the big triggers in immigration law is how you entered the country. If you entered legally with a tourist visa and it expires and you stay in the US you have no deportation order. You've got no issues with immigration, except for your expired visa. You can stay here for a while, find a way to adjust.

[Matt Farah]

Because you have an airport, it's like.

[Johnny Lieberman]

An expired tag and then burning your car.

[Sergio Seiderman]

You have a golden ticket. You have a lawful entry into the US which opens up so many avenues to get your pathway to citizenship. Whereas if you have an illegal entry, it's a much tougher job. Most of my clients entered the country undocumented with no tourist visas, with nothing. And those are much tougher cases that they would.

[Matt Farah]

They would love.

[Sergio Seiderman]

I mean, they all wish they had a lawful entry, even if it's expired. So if you're a student visa, you know, and it's expired, you don't leave if you plan on living here for the rest of your life because the lawful.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Is it.

[Unknown]

Because the lawful entry shows that you were vetted. Once you have, you've done paperwork that shows one, you've tried to follow the rules. Two, you're not a criminal, don't have a record, and if they're unlawful, then you guys are, you know, attorneys have to prove that this person is a value to society or, you know, has.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Been good here in, in part. The, the first part is absolutely correct. The. They've already vetted you once they let you into the country and you're not a, you're not a priority for them. You're not an enforcement priority. And the, the way the laws are written, a lot of them, you know, require a lawful entry for you to be able to adjust your status in the US not having that lawful entry requires your attorney to do a lot more. More acrobatics to be able to get you in. And there are ways to do it. And most of the decent immigration attorneys are going to know how to get around those hurdles. And the reality is any immigration attorney is going to be pretty clear that if you've got a criminal record, a criminal history, we can't really help you. So we're not going to take your money, we're not going to take your case because it's a loose and you're better off, you know, going back. The people that are in process, the people that are being detained in at court, it's an absurd.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's horrible.

[Sergio Seiderman]

That's an absurd process. You're discouraging people from doing the right thing.

[Matt Farah]

For a while we were hearing about El Salvador. El Salvador? El Salvador. El Salvador, meaning the prison. And then all of a sudden we stopped hearing about El Salvador. Did they stop sending people to El Salvador or did the news cycle just move fast enough and El Salvador is just lost in the vortex now?

[Sergio Seiderman]

News cycle.

[Matt Farah]

News cycle.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah, they're still. The lack of due process is still at record highs. And I think they just keep breaking the records on how many rules they're gonna break.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And there's other terrible places they're sending them. Somebody who was in Jabra Dubouti, you know, illegal, like, just got deported.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Sudan.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Sudan, yeah, that's where Dubouti is. Somebody died in like a shipping container or something. Like it's totally out of control. And again, back to the making mistakes and back to where we are and the likenesses of Nazi Germany. What I always. Two things. I always try and tell people, because I've spent way too much of my life studying the Holocaust and what happened in Germany. Hitler never said in 1933, when he was running, like, hey, we're gonn set up concentration camps in Poland with death camps attached to him. Never said anything like that. He just said Jews were the problem. And then there was a thing called the Wannacy Conference. It was January of 42. Wannacy is a really nice suburb of Berlin. The conference took place in a beautiful house on a lake. What's the fucking guy's name? Hayden, I think is the last name. I can look it up. They got together and said, look, machine gunning the Jews is really costing us a lot of bullets. And the guys who are doing it, the Einstein, by the way, Einsatzgruppen was made up almost entirely of German cops that became a paramilitary force. They followed behind the German army. So Germany would invade Croatia and then the Einsatzgruppen, bad example. They were allies. Invade Macedonia. And then the Einsatzgruppen would dig a ditch now, shoot someone in the head, and then they'd bury him. And they were really like. It was hard on them. It was really hard to kill that many people. And they were getting sad and depressed and drinking too much and they were running out of bullets. So they said, we have to figure out a final solution to the Jewish question. Which was death camps in Poland. And that was 1942. Hitler was elected in 33. You know what I'm saying? By the way, let's take Greenland and Canada, like, oh, territorial expansion. Because you don't really want a death camp in Mississippi, but if we have one in Greenland. And again, am I being hyperbolic? Kinda.

[Matt Farah]

Well, there's already a seemingly.

[Sergio Seiderman]

It's hyperbolic by the day.

[Matt Farah]

There's already seemingly an inescapable prison in El Salvador, which might as well be a death camp. And if it was a death camp, we're not gonna find out about it without invading El Salvador.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I'm sure horrible shit's happening. We know horrible shit's happening there. But again, like, it was. You know, people think like, Hitler had this idea for Zyklon B gas chambers. He never even knew about it. It was his minions that were turned loose to carry out his will. You know what I mean? It was literally. They were in a mansion on a lake in ber. This is what we should do. This would be the most efficient way to carry out the fear as well. Get rid of the Jews.

[Sergio Seiderman]

History is certainly repeating itself. Dumbing down the American public over the last 50 years, that's a big one. Gutting education that helps people get dumber. So I don't blame, it was a.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Funny way to put it.

[Sergio Seiderman]

I don't blame the dumb people for the situation where I'm really disappointed, particularly in my own people. The Jews that were pro Trump, still very few.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But yeah, they were really disappointing.

[Sergio Seiderman]

It's super disappointing because, you know, most of you were well educated, especially with what happened in the 30s and.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But I got a friend, Jewish guy, father's a doctor, and I put a thing up on Instagram. It was an Anne Frank quote where she was like, they're snatching people up off the street, our neighbors are disappearing. Was this she wrote before she was in the attic? This was just her diary. And he's like, how dare you do that? There's no, there's nothing is like that at all. And I'm like, he's like, you know, you're, you're like, whatever. I feel what he said. You're appropriating our trauma. Like my grandparents, great grandparents were, you know, they had to dig their own ditch or killed and blah, blah. And I'm like, it's the same thing. I'm like, I'm like. And I was trying to tell him like, she's writing that in, like in, you know, whenever I forget exactly when Amsterdam was invaded, I'm guess 1940, along with France and Belgium. That was before she had to hide in the attic. And this is the before times. This is before my nephew's half Guatemalan is gonna have to go in an attic somewhere. You know what I mean?

[Matt Farah]

Trump's just doing states instead of countries now. Sure. We have some questions from the patrons. It's not a ton because we have a very specific topic of discussion today. It's outside of our normal flow, but we wanna let them get in there because they are very supportive. Over@people patreon.com thesmokingtirepodcast Some of these may overlap things that have already been said. So we'll try to make it as non repeated as possible. John says, my wife has had a green card for 30 years. She has her Japanese pride and did not want to get full citizenship, but may do that now. What should she do?

[Sergio Seiderman]

I'm doing this process myself. In the past, in the U.S. when you became a U.S. citizen, you had to give up your prior citizenship. So I guess gave up gladly my Argentinian citizenship and only had the US citizenship. Now the US allows you to have multiple citizenship. You can have Multiple passports. So my recommendation for anybody that only has a green card is to take the simple exam and do the process for your citizenship. You can usually get it done in under a year. You'll already have your citizenship by the end year of the. The year the exam is 101 questions. It's very simple. And. Yeah, and there's ways to get out of the exam if you have a medical condition, you can't concentrate, or if you don't speak English and you've had your green card for at least 15 years. You can also get out of the English requirement, but it's highly recommended, especially given the current situation, the current climate. Get the citizenship in the US the green card isn't what it is used to be.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Do.

[Matt Farah]

Do you have copies of the exam? Like, can I try it?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, I want to try it.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Is it just online?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah, it's a very simple civics exam.

[Matt Farah]

I want to try it. I want to see if I could. If I could pass.

[Sergio Seiderman]

You're going to get 100.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, well, maybe let's try.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Sam, English. I think we should all try. Yeah, we should try. We should get progressively, progressively dropped drinking the drinking. I would love that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I would love.

[Matt Farah]

All right, we have a lot of booze to get through on a later show.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

So we will do a drinking citizenship.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Test for Johnny and I.

[Matt Farah]

We put our money where our mouth is.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Didn't that backfire when they did that with driving, where they would give people, like, a shot?

[Matt Farah]

And they actually died in 2011 12, when we were doing the car show on Speed Network, Adam Carolla got to do it, and that bummed me out because I really wanted to do it, but he hypothesized. Hypothesized that he was a better driver drunk than. It was, like, a woman doing her makeup and, like, a very old guy and someone trying to, like, drink a coffee or something. And he did, I don't know, five, six shots of vodka and, like, beat these folks in an auto. And because it was tv, we had to have cops there. And he fucking drove home. Like, he was like, all right, guys, we're done. It's like, see you later. And the cops are like, okay. After demonstrating he was a better driver, they just let him drive.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I did that in college. They were trying to show us the effects of, you know, drunk driving, and they wanted to volunteer. And I was, of course. And, yeah, I got to drive a Crown Vic through cones, and they stopped me after six shots when there was apparently no effect.

[Matt Farah]

I would I tried to recreate the the car and driver 1982 weed study. I've pitched it three times a year. Last three years eventually one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You just gotta use private cars. You gotta have owners that are Sam.

[Matt Farah]

England says I have a basic understanding of how our immigration system works and have very many family members with strong anti immigration stances. I'm sure they have some valid concerns, but the bulk of their points aren't based on fact. According to Sam, what is a good resource to learn about how our system works? To educate myself and combat bad faith arguments or factually inaccurate ones from my.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Drunk uncle at Thanksgiving Turn off the Fox News News Network.

[Matt Farah]

Is there a good Is there a immigration law for Dummies where someone could get basic facts if they're not a lawyer? It seems to be intentionally complicated.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Well, there is a book. The Immigration Book for Dummies does exist. And you know, while your immigration lawyers aren't using it, I would wish that the notarios were which are illegally filing things for people. I wish they would at least read that because they fuck things up so badly that we have to end up cleaning up. But yeah, there's a lot of handbooks. There's great resources online. What I found recently, not for legal research but for getting just basic primers on stuff. I started using ChatGPT and a lot of the stuff that it's regurgitating back to me is pretty accurate. So if you have particular questions like let's say your grandmother's from Japan and you want to know what the contribution of Japanese immigrants to the United States has been or even better, Mexican family members and you want to know how much more they put into the system in tax dollars versus how much they take out. You can ChatGPT is pretty good about that. Always ask ChatGPT for endnotes or footnotes and you'll have the data and hopefully it won't make shit up.

[Matt Farah]

Hopefully don't take it straight to court.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's only on Health and Human Services reports.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Desmoldering Rim says my wife was born in Colombia, became a US citizen as a child. She has a valid passport and we're traveling to Mexico. There's rumors Homeland Security are detaining people coming back into the country and passports are not enough to prove citizenship and she should also travel with her N600 form.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Truth or not truth not necessary. The only time you should have a concern coming into the United States is if you've got crimes on your record and you are not a citizen. If you are a US Citizen coming through customs, you're not gonna have an issue if you have only a green card, but you've got, for example, some misdemeanors. And even though you were given the green card 10, 20 years ago, and that misdemeanor was on there when they gave you the green card, they can still give you problems about it as you come in. What they'll traditionally do if they see any crimes, they will put you into secondary inspection. You'll be there for a couple hours, and you'll still be let go. If it's a significant crime that they're concerned about and want you to not be in the United States, they're not going to deport you. They are going going to give you a hearing, and you're going to go through what's called a 42, a cancellation of removal process, where you're going to have to hire a lawyer that's going to defend you in court and explain why you shouldn't have your green card removed. But summary deportations at the airport if you're a US Citizen? Unheard of. It's not going to happen.

[Johnny Lieberman]

What about getting Global Entry if you can get it? Because that way you kind of just. They scan you in a machine you've already gone through an interview with.

[Matt Farah]

Can you get Global Entry if you are not a US Citizen?

[Johnny Lieberman]

She's a. Like, I was a US Citizen. Yeah. US Citizen can get Global Entry. And then you just kind of. That would be my advice. Just go do it. It's 100 bucks and it takes an hour.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Absolutely. Global Entry is wonderful if you can get it.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, I have it. It's the best.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's the best.

[Sergio Seiderman]

I had it and I made. During the first term, I was really vocal about how bad things were doing and what a negative impact the administration was having on immigration. And then my Global Entry got canceled with no reason.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Wow. Seriously?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, that's creepy. That's creepy. Sorry to hear that. You travel a lot.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah, I go with my passport.

[Matt Farah]

Prashan says the Internet makes it feel like so many Americans have villainized undocumented immigrants to an insane. In your experience, is that actually the case, or do people simply not realize how many of the people around them are undocumented and fleeing bad situations?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah. Villainizing immigrants, I think has happened for all of time. There's always been a level of xenophobia, regardless of country. Right.

[Matt Farah]

Irish people weren't white enough and Italians weren't white.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Jews weren't white.

[Matt Farah]

Everyone who's now white Used to not be white.

[Sergio Seiderman]

But the Internet gives a microphone to people that shouldn't be heard.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Write that down.

[Sergio Seiderman]

There's a lot of bad information out there. There's misinformation. There's, you know, just do a simple search on how much less criminality comes from immigrants than from homegrown white people. But also not homegrown people of color. Not the children of immigrants. Immigrants. Well, I guess everyone's an immigrant unless you're Native American. But it's white people.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But again, as we were talking about with the flag being co opted, sadly, somehow undocumented is now synonymous with Mexican. I was reading a thing. There's 660,000 undocumented Irish and Italians in New York and Massachusetts right now.

[Matt Farah]

Hidden in plain sight right now.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And guess where ICE is not at least what they're not going after. And 660,000, you know, they have the.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Benefit of not being of entering with tourist visas or student visas that expired or work visas that expire. They're currently, yes, undocumented. But, you know, because they're not brown skin and because they didn't, you know, risk their lives fleeing gang violence and swimming across a frozen river. Right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Leave him alone. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Our good friend Myron says, what are the best things that regular citizens not in the legal field can do to help turn around the current unfortunate state of affairs?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Vote.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Myron's awesome. I went on the rally in Japan with.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, the K car thing. It was.

[Sergio Seiderman]

No Japan rally, Nippon. And it was sponsored by Alfred Dunn here. Great group. They, I think out of the 50 cars and there was some amazing cars, they had 10 foreigners and Myron and I were two of the foreigners that were invited to participate. Awesome guy, great car taste, super knowledgeable. Hi, Myron.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, he rules. He's the best. What did you drive?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Buy his book.

[Sergio Seiderman]

We drove a 1970. Is that the giant book?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Japanese cars.

[Sergio Seiderman]

I do need a copy.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So good.

[Sergio Seiderman]

I drove a 71 911S which was lovely. I can't remember what Myron was driving. It may have been. Shit. Myron, text me if you. If you remember.

[Matt Farah]

He'll chime in later.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, Japanese, I bet.

[Matt Farah]

What can regular people do if anything?

[Sergio Seiderman]

So vote, obviously, you know, the vote, but we're beyond that now.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Sergio Seiderman]

This guy may not even leave if he gets voted out. So at this point stage, just be understanding, supportive of your non violent, non criminal immigrant neighbors. Talk to your representatives. It's gotten so much media attention that you can move the needle by pushing on your representatives.

[Johnny Lieberman]

How do you contact a representative. What's the most effective way?

[Unknown]

Phone calls.

[Matt Farah]

Phone.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, phone is the most effective way.

[Matt Farah]

And car. Hard to ignore phones.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Before being a lawyer, I worked in D.C. for a senator, and the phones and mail were very effective.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Mail.

[Matt Farah]

Mail, huh?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah. Okay. Old snail mail.

[Matt Farah]

All right, drop it in. Okay. Before we. Before we wrap it up, circle back in November. Johnny Lieberman, myself.

[Johnny Lieberman]

December.

[Matt Farah]

Your son. Is it December or November?

[Johnny Lieberman]

I think it's December 5th.

[Matt Farah]

Whatever. We're your son, Tatum.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And who's not. Is there a fourth?

[Sergio Seiderman]

I think it's. Well, I don't know. I think it's Tommy Kendall.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, good.

[Matt Farah]

Out of here.

[Sergio Seiderman]

No, tk. Tk.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, boy.

[Sergio Seiderman]

So we're getting permission from the wife, which he still hasn't gotten, but.

[Matt Farah]

Yes.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay. Otherwise they're like, yeah, whatever.

[Matt Farah]

Now we get a ghost car to chase.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah, that's. So we're.

[Matt Farah]

We're racing.

[Sergio Seiderman]

He's gonna be fast car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, no, no. We're racing.

[Matt Farah]

Whose race car is it?

[Sergio Seiderman]

It's gonna be. It's the Hulk. Yeah. It'll be a green one, an E92 M3 that we lease for the race.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, fabulous.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, this is a.

[Matt Farah]

This is a stick shift or DCT car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

DCT.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, great. It's like a. Like a GT4 style car. Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I mean, it's, you know, it's competitive in its class. It's in. It's in, like, the GP1. Yeah. GP1.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's. It's WRL race. WRL. I'm excited because we get to really see Johnny and me. Same car, same track.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He's probably going to beat me, but. Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Well, I'm going to chase. We both have to chase Tommy and Tato. T's fast as hell.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Tato's going to be faster than Tommy. Sorry, Tommy.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Tato's pretty quick.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Tato's ridiculous.

[Matt Farah]

Well, Tommy, we were. We were at the 1010 motor club shout out to them in Charlotte. New Country Club track.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Fucking sick. If you're in Charlotte, shout out to the Smith family for inviting us. And they did an event called the Heritage Invitational. And part of it was like a Pro Am race of champions style showdown with electric macans on their track.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Nice.

[Matt Farah]

And Tommy Kendall won Shocker overall with an incredibly aggressive track driving style.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He's not going to be. Not aggressive, but t. I mean, like. Like, he's so ridiculous.

[Matt Farah]

But he.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He podiumed. I think it was his second Super Trofeo race or weekend, and he got second place.

[Matt Farah]

Amazing. Where?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Laguna Seca At Laguna.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That's awesome.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Like, podiumed. And he's 20 years old and started driving when he was 19.

[Matt Farah]

Wow. Good time. That would be so fun.

[Unknown]

He didn't start racing until he was.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I think, 19 or 18.

[Sergio Seiderman]

So during COVID He's 20. He just turned 21. And during.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I had a beer with him when he was 20.

[Matt Farah]

Criminal. I think that's more illegal than being here. Undocumented.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And I think that was the night before a race, and he was late for the race.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, dude.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Well, your son does not like to go number two in public.

[Matt Farah]

We can all relate.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Well, he.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So he had to go back to the hotel, which I'm okay with. I'm okay with.

[Sergio Seiderman]

So, yeah, he started driving at. During. During COVID We really got into it going to Willow Springs. Calo Messier, he's got the only. Well, he had the only warehouse on track, right. Where he had a bunch of race cars in there. And he's a good friend of ours. Wonderful human being.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He's amazing.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah. Nicest person you've ever met.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And when dressed up like a woman, looks pretty good.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So I'm at a Halloween party one time, and.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And then, you know, we started, you know, screwing around at the track, and Tato really liked it, and Calo took him under his wing, started coaching him. So it's probably like, I don't know, we're in 20, 25. Five years ago. 16.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, okay.

[Matt Farah]

I thought.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But his first race was when he was 19.

[Sergio Seiderman]

First race was a year and a half ago.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah, 19.

[Unknown]

Still a quick study, though. It's very cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He was. When I raced with him, I mean, I was. I was.

[Matt Farah]

Whatever.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I didn't crash the car. I'll leave it. Like, I'll say that I did.

[Sergio Seiderman]

That's why I'm not invited to the race.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yes. I took his spot. As Randy Post said about me, well, you'll never win. You'll never crash, but you'll never win.

[Matt Farah]

Hey, listen, if someone's letting you drop drive their race car, not crashing is the biggest thing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But. But Tato was just like. Like, I think he was the fastest out of all the cars in our. In our class.

[Matt Farah]

Awesome.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And like. And. And, like, you know, it's. It's ridiculous. Like, we were looking at line. You know, you're on the computer going over your line, and MJ, Our coach, is like, you know, here's where you're losing. Da, da, da. And he overlays Tato's line. He's like, yeah, don't do any of that. I don't know. I don't know what he's doing, but it's working.

[Matt Farah]

But when I was Atlanta Motorsports park and I shared a car with Jordan Taylor, you know, and.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Jordan.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Jordan.

[Matt Farah]

Set. Set. And, you know, the new Blackwing has Cosworth toolbox in it. And so Jordan set the thing and then I drove the car. And then we overlaid. And look, I got. I got closer to Jordan. I got. I was proud of myself. I did really well. I was. I was 1.3 off of Jordan, which for one. One day is like.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's insane. Actually. That's really good. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The places where he was quicker, it was a enormous. Oh, hell no.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Right?

[Matt Farah]

Am I going flat over blind?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, Yeah. I was gonna say probably faster in the corners.

[Matt Farah]

We were good. We were tied in all like the slow, slow, medium corners. And then the two. Enormous risk.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Targets really light. He was like floorboard, that guy.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. It's always very.

[Matt Farah]

Shout out to Jordan Taylor.

[Unknown]

One of our patrons submitted a real quick question. He says he has a relative who has an expired green card. And how safe would reentry be.

[Sergio Seiderman]

With an expired card? Is a problem. You need to renew that card before leaving the country. If he's already outside the country, you can renew it at a U.S. consulate. But I wouldn't try and take the chance of coming here with an expired green card. I think you're going to have problems.

[Unknown]

Renew it before you get on that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Thank you.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And you can rush it. Remember, the card itself is just a travel document. You do not stop being a resident because the card has expired or you lost the card. So you remain a resident. But it's going to be a pain in the ass at customs with an expired travel document. So go to the nearest consulate. If you're in Mexico, you're going to end up having to go to Juarez, which sucks. A really bad place.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yes. That's where the consulate is.

[Sergio Seiderman]

U.S. consulate.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's not in Mexico City. Why not?

[Sergio Seiderman]

The embassy is.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, the embassy. Ah, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

[Matt Farah]

What's the difference for those of us who are idiots? Embassy and a consulate.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Consulate offices do a lot of the grunt work for the embassies.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Like if you lose your passport, you.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Go to a consulate.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You go to the consulate, not the embassy. The embassy is more like official business.

[Matt Farah]

I see.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And oftentimes countries will have multiple consulates. So Mexico has a bunch of consulates in the US Argentina has a few. You know, Miami, New York, Los Angeles. Consulate's the way to go.

[Matt Farah]

Got it.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

We will put a link to your firm's site for anyone that needs you in the show notes. Take Sergio's advice. Fucking guy seems like he knows what he's doing. You don't get to where he's. Where he is without knowing a few things about a few things.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Trying. Trying.

[Matt Farah]

How nervous are you for the next, you know, six months of our country right now?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Super nervous. I think we're. The spiral has. Has just started.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I mean, Marines, active Marines in LA right now.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah, we're going the wrong direction. And these Marines have no right like the National Guard, they can't detain anyone.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Anyway, not only that, Marines are trained to fucking murder people. I mean, you know, it's called, you know, warfare. But they're good at killing. They have no police training. They don't know how to, like, handcuff. They've never handled handcuffs. You know what I mean? They just know how to slaughter. They're good snipers, they're great at destroying other armies, but they're terrible about policing people waving Mexican flags on mini bikes like it's the wrong thing.

[Sergio Seiderman]

I was talking with our more conservative friend Adrian.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, yes.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yesterday, by the way, his daughter.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I want to see her race.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Apparently she's a kick ass driver.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, she should probably take my spot for the Dakota race.

[Sergio Seiderman]

So anyways, yeah, I was talking with Adrian yesterday about what can be done and how scary things are at the moment. And he sees it too. You know, he'll openly tell you that he voted for the bad guy, but he's concerned about it. And we talked about maybe we can have a correction at the midterms. And in my opinion, that's too late. At the speed at which things are falling apart, who knows if you're even going to have midterms. And if you have them, can you trust them? Now, unlike when Trump actually lost the election, now all his people are gonna be in control of every election.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Now I'm concerned, and let's also remember, and I always bring this point out because there will. You'll start hearing calls to cancel the midterms. But like, we were able to have elections during the Civil War, we were able to have elections During World War II, during World War I, during every war, we've always had elections. We're not a democracy. Unless we have our elections, there's nothing happening. I don't care how much people are throwing rocks at ice or National Guard, you can still have elections. So when you start hearing that, that's really A dangerous precedent. If we can have elections during the civil war, we can have elections in a year and a half, Covid.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, well, look, these people are like neighbors and they live with us and work with us and family.

[Johnny Lieberman]

In a lot of cases, the crime.

[Matt Farah]

The crime of being here is a really fucking minor crime. Even if you want to use that as an excuse. Well, it's the smallest, most bullshit justification for this.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Four of us commit more crimes every day in our cars that are actually crimes, you know, or at least violations.

[Matt Farah]

Shout out to off the record.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Right. Code.

[Matt Farah]

Tst.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's a really. That's a great point because. Yeah, because again, you know, there's criminal and there's civil. Right. It's a civil thing to be here.

[Matt Farah]

The tough on crime people are awfully selective with what kinds of crime they're being tough on.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Be nice to each other. Thank you for coming down, Sergio. I appreciate it. I can't wait to drive your race car. Or your least race car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's good.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Whatever.

[Matt Farah]

It is gonna be a good ass.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's called the Hulk.

[Sergio Seiderman]

The Hulk is the one you guys are going to race in the. We have the super Trofeo practice car at Button Willow if you ever want to give that thing a spin. Oh, I've driven.

[Matt Farah]

I've driven a Super Trofeo car in Las Vegas and it was a good time.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I would like to do that. That sounds. Yeah, that's a good one. I like me a huracan.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah. And then the race car. Race car is handled by TR3, which. Which is really good race team out of Florida.

[Matt Farah]

When we do that race in Cota, is there a practice day Friday?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And can you practice in non race vehicles?

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Like, I've brought really fast sports cars to the practice days and they let me run laps in them.

[Sergio Seiderman]

We did.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I'm trying to think because we did. I had a X5M.

[Sergio Seiderman]

They have parade laps, right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We did like a sighting lap in the X5M. We just put the whole team in there.

[Matt Farah]

I think you want to let me run. Like you do want to practice, but you also don't want to tire out. If I want to. If I bring my own car and want on 40 laps of coda just to get better at Coda.

[Johnny Lieberman]

What's the guy?

[Matt Farah]

I'll email the guy. I just didn't know if it was something.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I can't think it was a super.

[Matt Farah]

Nice guy at aer. I'm sure he's saying they don't care. You can, you can any car that passes tech you can practice in.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right, right, right. Yeah.

[Sergio Seiderman]

The team that you guys will be running with is open throttle awesome guys out of Jacksonville.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Awesome guys.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And all their cars are bright, bright green.

[Matt Farah]

I love it.

[Sergio Seiderman]

And they're good cars. The guys are fantastic.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And they wrench 24 hours a day when people break the cars. Great.

[Matt Farah]

I can't do that. You know what I can do? Cook food. I will make food happen.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They cook food. And you should cook the food. Because the best thing. I don't know if I told you this. The best thing that happened was they were cooking hamburgers and they had a stack of cheese slices. They had this big dog. And the big dog walks up and just licks up the cheese slices. And I'm looking at it, and the guy's looking at it. He's like, that's all the cheese we got. They went right on. Totally cooked off. Yeah.

[Sergio Seiderman]

If you want to see the. Some track time from the super Trofeo from inside the car at Laguna Seca, Mateo Seiderman on Instagram has some cool videos on there.

[Matt Farah]

We will link. Thanks, boys. And next time, we have a lot of bourbon tasting to do. You can join us on that if you want. Next time. It didn't seem like the idea for a noon show.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

To do a bourbon taste.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I kind of have big news. Should I announce it now or wait?

[Matt Farah]

If you like. All right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Starting my own YouTube channel finally. It should drop on Monday. So that's the 16th.

[Matt Farah]

What's it called?

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's a great name. Really? You're gonna. It's gonna blow you. Yeah, it's smoking tired. No, it's Driving with Johnny.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Driving with Johnny.

[Matt Farah]

That's cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I was trying to. I went down like, you know, car, wonder car. You know, there's no names left. There's no names left. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So driving with Johnny's office.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Cool. And I hooked up with this guy, Rylak Alexander. He actually, I think, wants to get in touch with both of you, but he has this channel called oh, shift.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I've seen that.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah. If you.

[Johnny Lieberman]

If you find on YouTube, he did a thing on my gr.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Sergio Seiderman]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay. And, you know, it's. I have.

[Unknown]

Oh, we met him at Good Vibes. He shoots with the big, big lens.

[Matt Farah]

He does super, super good dude.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But it's one of those things I watched him work like. So Anthony Esposito was the longtime director of Head to Head and Ignition, and now he does all the kamisa videos. So, you know, whenever you see some amazing Camera work on Kamisa's shit. That's Anthony. And I remember he filled in one day on an old Motor Trend video I was doing. And I watched this guy work and I'm like, that's a one man wrecking crew. Like I've just like, just so much hustle. Doesn't want to stand around and tell stories like I do. That's all I'm good for. And Rylich was the same way. If you go, if you go to that, oh, shift for a second. You can, you can see.

[Matt Farah]

Oh boy, what have I done up over here?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay, well anyways, my, my little gr. Is it. It's pretty cool. Let's see. There it is.

[Matt Farah]

It's up there.

[Johnny Lieberman]

There it is. Anyways, I watched this guy Rylak work and I had the same feeling where he just didn't stop working. Even though a lot of us, including his father, were standing around and cracking jokes and having a good old time. He was just working, working, working, working. Hustle, hustle. And I'd been talking to other people. Cause like, you know, obviously I know how to like, you know, talk. I've been doing this for a long time. Editing is beyond me and da da, da da. And I. And I've been talking to guys and nothing was coming to fruition. And everyone's like, ooh, I live in like, or Illinois and. But I think I can do it. I'm like, no, no, no. And I just. He came over to my house because he's like, oh, I didn't get one shot. I just want to reshoot a couple things. I'm like, that's crazy. Like most people just like, we're not gonna have your intake in the video. And I just mentioned it to him. He's like, dude, I'll help you. And I was like, ah, so, yeah, so we shot a bunch of stuff we should have including we're gonna go shoot at your place on Saturday. But we should have like this Saturday. Yeah, the 14th.

[Matt Farah]

Cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You agreed to it several times.

[Matt Farah]

All good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We're bringing a scooter and a 4 GT. So it'll be, it'll be all the time. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

4 GT is the best.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, yeah. The second gen. Yeah. And first gen, 4 GT is the best. Okay, well, we'll get there. But anyway, so yeah, I'm excited. It'll. It's just driving with Johnny on YouTube.

[Matt Farah]

Cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, good time. Long time coming.

[Matt Farah]

There it is.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It'll be good.

[Matt Farah]

That's our show folks, right? The Green Notice Canyon. If you missed it will be available for patrons on Monday the 16th. If you've already emailed me about completing the set of five and I've guaranteed you an allocation, you will get an email from me directly. Before that, you'll get to buy yours first, and then 100 units for patrons of the Green and the Tahitian Black Pearl will be following two weeks after. After that with 50 units. Thank you. This is a different thing than we normally do, but I saw what was happening in the city and made the call and decided it was something worth talking about. So thank you for sharing your experience, Sergio, and for those of you still here, thanks for hearing us out. See you guys later.