Is Charging* Theft? Buy Cars from ONE Era Only!

Summary

Podcast Summary – The Smoking Tire: "Is Charging* Theft? Buy Cars from ONE Era Only!"

Date: June 23, 2026
Hosts: Matt Farah & Zack Klapman

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Episode Overview

This episode covers Matt’s review of the new Porsche Macan GTS Electric, a discussion on new BMW/Alpina designs, an in-depth listener Q&A segment, and a lively debate on the ethics of using unlimited workplace EV charging for more than just commuting. Other themes include car buying strategies from a single era, features that cheapen “luxury” cars, construction project lessons, and the ongoing evolution of automotive tech.

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Detailed Breakdown & Key Discussions

1. The Macan GTS Electric: Review & Impressions

[06:13 - 22:00]

• Specs & Performance:
  • 509 hp, 675 lb-ft torque (up to 563/704 with overboost)
  • 0–60 mph in 3.4 seconds, mid-11s quarter mile
  • 800V architecture, 270kW charging, Tesla Supercharger compatibility
• Driving Feel:
  • Drives like a blend of Macan and Taycan: “It drives like a Macan and a Taycan got smashed together.” – Matt (10:07)
  • Upright seating, easy ingress/egress; improved rear steer for tight parking
  • US cars have more deactivatable driver aids (ADAS) than EU press models
• Value & Competition:
  • $125,000 as-optioned ($105k base), feels high for the segment; “It doesn't necessarily feel or drive to me like a $125,000 car...diminishing returns beyond a certain point.” – Matt (17:12)
  • Genesis GV60 compared favorably on luxury, comfort, and performance for much less ($74k)
• Notable Moments:
  • Turn-off/keep-off ADAS now possible in US-specs: “Thank the baby Jesus. Lane departure and shit... stays off.” – Matt (09:43)
  • Praise for usability and new tech, but some premium materials (Race-Tex suede wheel) not suited for daily use
  • “It is expensive, as these things tend to be. That’s your downside.” – Matt (20:45)

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2. Comparing Genesis GV60 & Luxury EV Crossovers

[22:00 - 24:48]

• Luxury Touchpoints:
  • GV60 “feels more like Bentley…everything just smushes a little bit more.” – Zach (22:32)
  • “I thought it was such a good use of space and packaging, and it drove nice.” – Matt (23:42)
• Fun Features:
  • Discussing gimmicky but cool “Orb” shifter and wide armrests like Bentley Continental
• Seating Position Ergonomics:
  • Matt adjusting to higher seating per doctor’s advice for back support

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3. New BMW/Alpina Concept Discussion

[31:39 - 33:10]

• Reviewing digital renderings (“not an official BMW announcement”) of new Alpina coupe with “better version of the sharknose vibe than the current beaver teeth.” – Matt (31:40)
• Debating aesthetics, tastefulness, and missing traditional Alpina stripe

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4. Listener Questions & Extended Q&A

[38:35 - 82:06]

Handy Autocross Tips

[38:38 - 40:44]

• Bring comfortable shoes, sunscreen, hat, water, snacks, tire gauge, compressor
• Stand out by bringing fresh fruit or group coffee: “If you show up...with coffee for everybody, you’re a hero.” – Matt (39:59)

Ethics of Unlimited Workplace EV Charging

[57:41 - 63:53]

• A listener uses Hyundai Ioniq 5’s V2L (vehicle-to-load) to power home with work-charged battery
• “It's really clever theft. It's very funny.” – Zach (58:56)
• “I don’t think it’s theft. Unlimited means unlimited.” – Matt (58:59)
• “This is the wall ride of the office.” – Zach (59:46)
• Matt notes if it breaks rules, companies will add fine print eventually; “If you got fired for that, you might actually be able to sue...” – Matt (61:42)

Car Buying Challenge: One Era, Three Cars

[77:09 - 79:53]

• Choose daily, sports, and off-roader from one year
• Zack: 2013 – Raptor 6.2L, Boss 302 Laguna Seca, and luxury daily (CLS, Mulsanne)
• Matt: 1987 – Lamborghini Countach, AMG Hammer wagon (Mercedes 300 TE), Lamborghini LM002

Features That Cheapen “Luxury” Cars

[52:03 - 55:46]

• Electric releases/buttons instead of levers: “...now it seems cheap.” – Matt (54:46)
• Gimmicky multi-color LED mood lighting or rear displays; if overdone, feels low-rent

Miscellaneous Notables

• Tales of project managing car buildings: always have a construction manager/GC in charge, not the owner directly (48:36–52:03)
• Car myth-busting: Transmission quirks explained (skip-shifting 10-speeds; slow-to-engage after sitting, etc.) (69:32–71:41)
• Regular oil consumption in performance cars; normal but surprises owners

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5. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Imagine that dude racing, bathing in asbestos… instead of Nomex, the suit is asbestos, the brakes are asbestos.” – Matt (03:38)
• “If money doesn’t mean anything, then this is great. If you need your stable of cars to be Porsche, this is a great product.” – Matt on the Macan (18:30)
• “They put asbestos in cigarettes to help the nicotine get in you more quickly. You gotta optimize.” – Zach (04:36)
• “Do you...color match smaller pieces of clothing or accessories to my car? Yay or nay?” (76:03) – Extended goofing on matching outfits to car colors

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6. Lightning Round – Quick Topics & Highlights

• Andy Wilman’s new book: Behind-the-scenes stories from Top Gear and Grand Tour, praised by Zach for Wilman’s writing and influence (33:24–34:21)
• Factory Cup Car Picks: Dream GT or challenge car; Matt shouts out Ferrari 458/488 Challenge, Zach loves Prodrive 550 Maranello and E46 M3 GTR (66:11–68:31)
• Motorsport Viewing: Both hosts agree—can’t get invested unless personally involved or has “stakes” (46:53–47:54)
• Advice on unwinding from work: Physical activity, getting away from screens, sharing time with loved ones (43:10–43:29)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Macan GTS Electric Review: 06:13–22:00
• Genesis GV60 vs. Luxury Crossovers: 22:00–24:48
• Alpina/BMW Concept Reactions: 31:39–33:10
• Workplace EV Charging Ethics Debate: 57:41–63:53
• Era-Based Car Buying Challenge: 77:09–79:53
• Listener Q&A Rapid Fire: Throughout 38:38–82:06

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is a classic TST mix: serious new car reviews, whimsical nostalgia, sideways industry takes, and genuinely useful life/work/cars advice. From charging hacks to the realities of $125k electric SUVs, Matt and Zach keep it accessible and entertaining—especially for auto-enthusiast listeners who like deep-dive Q&A.

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Next episode preview: Matt will be in Nashville with Matt Quick (Quick Classics) to discuss classic car powertrain swaps and improving AMG classics; Zach heads to Colorado for reviews, including the new Mach-E Rally and a maybe-real new Alpina.

For more: Find car reviews on YouTube.

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Notable near-verbatim exchanges, rapid shifts from fun to useful (and back), and a welcome lack of automotive pretension keep this episode thoroughly digestible and entertaining even for those who missed the live stream.

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

Yeah, right.

[Matt Farah]

Asbestos leather.

[Zach]

Durable, soft, malleable. Feels like leather.

[Matt Farah]

Are we live?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, hi. I just was with. Where was I? Was I with you? No, I went into a vintage store and they had an old box of Ray Bestas brake pads. No, I was at Indy. A vintage. It was an Indy. There was a Reybestos sponsored car with a bunch of. And Spike was like. Is that like asbestos? Like Ray Bestis, as in. And I looked and yup, sure as

[Zach]

shit, they took out the asbestos.

[Matt Farah]

It's Rabestos, like a Bobo Pedic mattress.

[Zach]

So they copied asbestos.

[Matt Farah]

It's a brand that makes asbestos like brake pads and other heat resistant things. The brand still exists?

[Zach]

Pretty sure, yeah. No I've definitely seen it, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Later renamed Raymark Industries Asbestos breaks and faced litigation that led to bankruptcy. Company's still around though.

[Zach]

Wow. Established in 1902. Yeah dude. Yeah. They made.

[Matt Farah]

They used to sprinkle that shit on their pasta.

[Zach]

Yes they did. Asbestos brake linings, including lead. Asbestos dust.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Wow. That's what's up.

[Zach]

That's before masks were around 1903.

[Matt Farah]

That good shit.

[Zach]

They're probably just like after work. Make sure you spit and that will get rid of everything.

[Matt Farah]

Imagine that dude, the guy racing. Just go. Just type in Reybestos indycar. The guy driving this thing must have fucking been bathing in this stuff like. Like this. He must have had a suit and a fucking mask and all this. Just get images instead of Nomex.

[Zach]

It's like the suit is asbestos, the brakes are asbestos. Probably

[Matt Farah]

1975 auto racing triple crown, you know. Not a bad indie, not a bad looking Indy car if you ask me. Yeah, blue and yellow. It's a good looking car. And look, it's also sponsored by Dial Soap. So you can wash that asbestos dust right off. Love it.

[Zach]

Does that work? Not medical advice.

[Matt Farah]

I mean it works better than not I guess.

[Zach]

I think if the stuff gets in your lung then you get mesothelioma.

[Matt Farah]

Right?

[Zach]

Which is. They used to put it in cigarettes.

[Matt Farah]

Asbestos. Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

I mean cause which is insane. They put it in there to help the nicotine get in you more quickly. You gotta optimize.

[Matt Farah]

Everybody tastes minty crazy. They're gonna be saying this about Ozempic.

[Zach]

It's like if the straw that you got your milkshake in had lead in it to help the sugar get into your system.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, you didn't get uranium straws as a kid? I got em from my birthday or find them in the dark when I was nine. Yeah, glow in the dark. Uranium straws. This fuckin. I'm gonna get gum cancer in a year.

[Zach]

They hand them out in Iran because all the dust.

[Matt Farah]

Hi everybody. Hello, welcome. Welcome to the program. That was the warm up and now we're here. Now we talk about cars instead of asbestos. As if they weren't totally linked. I just finished this podcast is the end of like two and a half. Just 15 hour like office days. Like just long all, you know, just catch up on all the office shit that like. Because sometimes when I travel for work, you know, sometimes it's like, you know, business as usual and you come Back. You got to pay a couple bills. You got to clear out the mail and whatnot. But, like, sometimes you got to come back and really do fucking. Some businessy shit. It's been all that.

[Zach]

A lot of stamping and dude credit. I don't know what.

[Matt Farah]

Moving paper. One folder to another business.

[Zach]

Fax machine. Business. Yeah. Money counter.

[Matt Farah]

There's clicking noises coming from fucking nowhere. I don't even know what's going on up in my own office. It's crazy. No, it's like I don't. You know, I mean, it's. It's actually been some sort of more heady shit. But you know what that means. It means I haven't been driving all that much. The driving I have done. I've driven in the last three days 84 miles. A total of 84 miles. That's how much I've driven. So I have to say, I think the. Oh, I didn't fucking. Can you grab photos of the Just the Macan electric gts? Carmine Red. Just the press car. So I think all the press cars or many of the press cars of this color. So you'll have a. Yep, there she is. That's a Macan gts electric backlit. So I've been driving this, you know, I don't need to drive more than that to get this car's vibe. It's actually the first time I've spent any real time at all in any Macan electric. You've driven a lot more than I have now. You've been on two launches, haven't you?

[Zach]

Just one.

[Matt Farah]

Just the one. So unlike the gas Macan, where there was a GTS and then a turbo, and then they ultimately merged them into GTS, they dropped the turbo. There is a GTS and a turbo. This GTS does not replace the turbo. So 509 horsepower, 675 torque, or 563. 704 with the sport Chrono overboost, which is a little less than the turbo, but it's more than the four. And like all GTSs, it's the optimized package of enthusiast driving. Right. So you've got your bigger wheels, better brakes, electronic diff, all wheel drive, big battery, sports steering, half inch drop on the suspension, all of that stuff. The sport seats and the enthusiast grouping of options put together 0 to 60 in 3.4 seconds. Quarter mile in the mid 11s. Very fast. I mean, it's not as fast as the turbo, but it's fucking. It's an electric. It's like in the binary. Is it fast? Yes, it's fast. It's very fucking fast. It can charge at 270kW with the AC 800 volt architecture, but it can also use a Tesla supercharger. And honestly, I am a pretty big fan of it. The ones that you drove were European cars, so you couldn't turn off the fucking ADAs.

[Zach]

That's true. Yeah. Mine had a lot of beeping in the video.

[Matt Farah]

Actually, in this one, you can. So not only can you. The American cars, you can turn off the ADAs, there's a bunch of it. Like, there is a lot of ADAs to turn off. There's probably 20 toggles to uncheck of various different things, some of which you leave on something like I leave on, you know, front collision warning and things like that. Parking sensors. I don't like a lane departure tone, but I like when the light lights up on the mirror for blind spot like that. So you leave some on, you turn off all the annoying ones, but then they stay off. So, like, that's good. Lane departure and shit. Stays off. You leave it off, it stays off. So, like, thank the baby Jesus. Speaking of which, the use of that expression leads me to. It sends our thoughts and prayers to Jeremy Clarkson.

[Zach]

Someone just mentioned the chat. He's got prostate cancer.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. That's not good. It's not great.

[Zach]

According to my dad, who's a doctor, it is one of the most treatable cancers. I hope Jeremy's goes that way. We absolutely wish him well because that's very scary. Especially after on the tail end of his heart problem at the beginning of the year.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's shitty. And we owe a lot to that guy.

[Zach]

Yeah,

[Matt Farah]

cars, right? You can leave the 8s off. That's good. It drives very similar to how my Taycan drives. It drives like a macan and a Taycan got smashed together, basically. But I happen to like the more upright, like, getting in and out of it. For me, the door is bigger physically, but it's not that much longer. It's taller, so easier to get in and out of. I actually. I like the seating position a little better than in the Taycan, just because it's up a little higher and my feet kind of go down instead of out just for every day. And I really like the rear steer, which my car doesn't have, and it makes this thing super maneuverable in parking spaces. And like, dude, you should have seen the thing I just did to park downstairs.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's pretty. It's tight downstairs, so I.

[Matt Farah]

This. This is as inside baseball as it gets. This is inside the fucking building.

[Zach]

Yep. In the bunker of. Well, everyone. Everyone who's listening who has a bunker with a bunch of cars in it.

[Matt Farah]

Right now. The drive aisles downstairs are a bit of a shit show. And Zach fucking parked the Genesis in a weird ass way in the back corner. I backed the fucking macan in in front of where that Beetle is.

[Zach]

The.

[Matt Farah]

The blue Beetle.

[Zach]

That's. Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

There's a tiny little spot in the middle. Yeah, in the middle of it.

[Zach]

I didn't do that because I didn't have the rear steer. I had the Genesis.

[Matt Farah]

I did. It was very nice. I'm gonna have to back the Genesis because I'm taking that home out of where you fucking put it.

[Zach]

Don't do it.

[Matt Farah]

Huh?

[Zach]

He's like a fucking ninja.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I can do it. But it's like, boy, did you really put that forward in a way that has to be backed out. All weird.

[Zach]

I don't think it's that bad. But I didn't look at it.

[Matt Farah]

It's weird. Unless you've been here for a while and someone put cars behind it. And I didn't see that.

[Zach]

That is. I've been here for.

[Matt Farah]

There's a Cayenne Turbo GT that's in the vicinity of it. That wasn't there. I don't know.

[Zach]

Oh, they moved that so that I could get my M3 out.

[Matt Farah]

It's now blocking your M3.

[Zach]

Oh, then it hasn't moved. Then that's where I put the Genesis.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Zach]

Yeah, whatever. Challenges make life richer, man.

[Matt Farah]

Hell, yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

It seems like math. It's like this is your car that you love, but it's taller.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And you almost bought one of these years ago.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And so, I mean, it confirms your suspicions, which is good. Now, does it give you slight remorse for not buying one?

[Matt Farah]

No, because this, the new one that I would have bought, which was a four, was like $87,000 and it would. Okay, I would like the seating position maybe a little better, but Hannah drives this car most of the time and for the price difference. So this one is $125,000 as it sits. Base price, $105,000. But then with like, you know, with the rear steer with the 22 inch wheels with the good accents. The good, you know, the good this, the good that one is not unreasonable to add 20% in options to a Porsche. It's outside of my price range and it doesn't necessarily feel or drive to me. $125,000 car, that's a lot. In the electric crossover space, as we've said over and over, there's diminishing returns beyond a certain point.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So, like, unless money didn't matter, which is fine. If money doesn't matter. And that's a thing for you. Congratulations, you've won. You should get a trophy and then have high tax rates.

[Zach]

The trophy is the money.

[Matt Farah]

The Trophy is the. Yeah, you should get a trophy. It's a card.

[Zach]

It's a Macani.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. If that money doesn't mean anything, then this is great. If you absolutely need your stable of cars to be in the Porsche family, this is a great product. If you. If it sounds like a good idea, but you're really driving in an urban environment, just skip the GTS and get a 4 and get the comfy seats, and that's the same thing. Effectively, it'll have 400 horsepower instead of 500 horsepower, and you will never fucking know the difference.

[Zach]

And does the regular one ride softer?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it'll ride a little softer. I actually thought the ride of this is very nice. I don't have any complaints. But if it was a little softer and I was driving the city, that would be fine. I do enjoy having the. The kind of the brakes that this has. Like, I've said that about the Taycan. Like, I would get. If I got another one, I'd get an S. Not for the battery or the power for the brakes and the slightly lower ride height and shock tuning. But, man, when these things are two and a half years old, coming off lease and 75 grand, that's gonna be the shit. That's gonna be really nice. This one has a fucking race tex suede steering wheel. Not about that.

[Zach]

Yeah, they do that on some of their GTS stuff. That's just gonna get gross.

[Matt Farah]

You're gonna want to not have that. But outside of that, I think this is a lovely vehicle.

[Zach]

It is an excellent vehicle. It's a good electric crossover that drives and looks the way you expect a Porsche to do those things. And I think it does those things really well. It's like, oh, okay. And I'm glad that the math, one plus one does equal two. Sometimes you go, ooh, it's actually. They failed over here, over there. But I mean, it was great in the curvy roads. It was awesome on the highway. Radar cruise is good. The seats are good. Yeah, it's a good vehicle.

[Matt Farah]

This has a really quick steering ratio with the rear steer and the sport ratio and the small steering wheel and all that. But it's like it stops just before it gets twitchy. Like you can still relax on the highway. It's not darty, but, like, when you go to make, like, tight maneuvers and stuff, it's like, oh, this is great. My 90 degree turns. Is 90 degrees in the steering wheel.

[Zach]

Nice. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Which is really cool. Yeah, it's really nice. So I'm very much into this thing but it is expensive, as these things tend to be. Yeah, that's your downside. So I'm sorry I didn't get to drive it a whole lot more. Here's the thing, though. If money is real for you, that Genesis GV60 electric crossover that I had, it doesn't approximate Porsche, it approximates Bentley. But it was like $74,000, so like two thirds of the price and it was just as fast. It had very nice steering, it had a very nice ride. It had like, I don't know if they were 18 way, but they were more than 10 way adjustable seats that had similar levels of adjustability. And you're really in the same ballpark of performance, luxury features. In fact, this may have more features. The Genesis may Porsches feel a certain way to the touch and it doesn't quite get there, but it's 80% of the way to Bentley for, you know, much, much less money.

[Zach]

I think Porsches have everything you touch and sit in has like a. You can like feel the precision, the sturdiness. Like things aren't too soft.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

You know, like the slant nose from the 70s or the 70s. The one we drove from Marco, like that had like the weird. The leather seats in that whatever generation,

[Matt Farah]

they were like couch seats.

[Zach]

The couch seats are real. But nowadays it's like things are taut and firm and they feel like they're gonna last a really long time. Long time. This, the Genesis feels more like Bentley where it's like everything just smushes a little bit more. It's a little bit more like it

[Matt Farah]

has that top layer.

[Zach]

Exactly.

[Matt Farah]

The Porsche doesn't so much.

[Zach]

I saw one of these today in traffic and every time I see them like these turn my head, I think the profile, I think it's such a good looking car. The GV60. I was like, man, that would be an awesome used buy. Yeah. Or a new buy. If you want to get a new car and you don't want to pay Porsche prices.

[Matt Farah]

I think their lease rates are decent on them.

[Zach]

Oh, but this has the Orb.

[Matt Farah]

It's got the orb.

[Zach]

I've not used the Orb.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, the orb shifter.

[Zach]

What questions can you ask the Orb? How does that.

[Matt Farah]

You joke, but eventually that's going to be the car.

[Zach]

It flips over and then. Is it a puck?

[Matt Farah]

That's it. When it's basically parked, but with like the unlock. When you unlock it like glows and then when you start it, it flips 180 degrees and it's a shifter thing. You turn.

[Zach]

Wow. So they saw Jaguar in 09 with the rising puck, and they were like, hold our beer. Hold our soju.

[Matt Farah]

But it's gimmicky. But, like, if you started to hear horror stories about it not working and being problematic, then you go, guys, what are you doing? But as long as it works properly, then whatever.

[Zach]

Very true. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I like these. I would totally buy one of these for an everyday car. I thought it was such a good use of space and packaging, and it drove nice. And you know where they really succeed in feeling like Bentley, where a lot. Most of their cars fail? The top of the door sills where you would rest your arm. They're wide on this, just like the Bentley Continental. It's a really, like, stable place to put your arm. It's not like a little thing where your arm is, like, slipping off or has to rest on the weather stripping. It's like a shelf. I love that shit. That's luxury living.

[Zach]

Especially these days with I sit low in a car and you have a taller torso than I do. Cause that's where your height comes from. And so for me, I'd be like, you know, it would look like I have a broken arm from whatever movie that is.

[Matt Farah]

I've started to raise. Traditionally, I slam the seat as far as it goes on the floor. I've started to raise my seat so that my legs are more of a go down to the pedals instead of straight out where I have headroom.

[Zach]

This is the journey to F250.

[Matt Farah]

My doctor said it's a better way to sit for my back.

[Zach]

Oh.

[Matt Farah]

Instead of if I am able to sit a little higher with my legs going a little down as opposed to just straight out. That's just better for my back.

[Zach]

That makes it like the office posture. They say you want your hips and knees even because everything, you displace the weight more evenly. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So anyway, them's the things. Thank you to Porsche for letting us have it go. Us? Me? Zach didn't get to drive it, and we're actually gonna in terms of GTSs, when we go to Connecticut to race in the Cletus Race. Forget what the actual race is called.

[Zach]

The Freedom 900, I think.

[Matt Farah]

900 Stratford.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. The Stratford, Connecticut one, July 17th. We've procured a Cayenne GTS for transportation. What is that? Oh, is that. Did that just come out today? I missed that.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

This is BMW making a new Alpena. And where is that?

[Zach]

Well, did you see Alpena's coop that they unveiled like, a week ago?

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

I thought it was Alpena.

[Matt Farah]

I did not because I saw Andy Bovenseepen's new project which is like hot rodded BMW. I did not see something new from Alpena. Oh, okay, interesting. Big coop,

[Zach]

big ass bird mouth, huge mouth. I do like the lights and like profile I think the profile is very good.

[Matt Farah]

So is this electric? I don't know if it. Maybe it's long, it's got a big rake. It's got a long dash to axle. It looks like it'll have some kind of a back seat. Going after the Bentley gt, I imagine that class of car. It's not ugly.

[Zach]

No, I think it's pretty good looking. Like the front big mouth thing. The fact that it's not an open grill, which probably hints at it being electric, I think helps a lot. It's.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, this. That is a better version of the sharknose vibe than the current beaver teeth.

[Zach]

Right. So I saw that and then I saw this today.

[Matt Farah]

This is even better. You don't like it?

[Zach]

No, I think it's. I think it's an improvement over what they currently have with the teeth.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach]

But this is like a very three dimensional. We're looking at the. The way the kidney girls meet. They're at a peak now. They're not a flat face.

[Matt Farah]

Well, even if I put my. The way the kidney grills meet is a little Buick Riviera.

[Zach]

Little bit.

[Matt Farah]

Little Buick Riviera. That's probably the most controversial part about this car. I have to say. The rest of this car looks tasteful and restrained. And what I would like from an Alpena minus. Where's the side graphic? Where's the stripe? Dude, order that.

[Zach]

You gotta order that.

[Matt Farah]

What the fuck you guys doing?

[Zach]

This is obviously rendering.

[Matt Farah]

Rendering. But I hope that's. Where did this image come from? From was it Come bro. Rendering by Motori. So this isn't even like. This is just like some dudes rendering. I mean it looks nice, but like. God damn it, Zach. This is just some dudes rendering. I thought it was. I thought that was like an official BMW drop.

[Zach]

I don't know. But are they making an Alpena sedan? Here's everything we know.

[Matt Farah]

But like I'll distract. I should have known the question to that was no. And here's conjecture.

[Zach]

Or maybe

[Matt Farah]

it's a light news day, folks.

[Zach]

That's what I'm saying. We did a show yesterday. We've only driven. We got to talk about the Genesis next week. No, it's talking about after you drive.

[Matt Farah]

After I drive it. Okay, fine. Yeah, there's. I mean it is. That's true. All those things are true.

[Zach]

So I was grabbing news straws and there you go.

[Matt Farah]

You have Andy Willman's book.

[Zach]

I read this. You should read it.

[Matt Farah]

Should I take it?

[Zach]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Great. Thank you.

[Zach]

Very good.

[Matt Farah]

Mr. Willman's. Motoring Adventure. This will be like the third book I've read about BTS Top Guy.

[Zach]

Oh, wow.

[Matt Farah]

You don't have. You didn't mark it up. No highlights.

[Zach]

I didn't feel the need to mark that book up.

[Matt Farah]

I'm stoked.

[Zach]

Yeah. Give it a read.

[Matt Farah]

I look forward to reading this. Yes. Thank you.

[Zach]

Really fun and clarifies some things and there's a lot of. He's a very funny writer. I mean, it shouldn't be surprising, but look, he's behind the scenes the whole time. And the trio and Jeremy mostly get the credit for scripting along with Porter. I mean, in the public eye. So I know reading this I had a real appreciation for Wilman's influence. Not just in like the visual parts of Top Gear and Grand Tour or like some of the concepts, but like the way the stories are structured, the jokes. Like he was in every piece of it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And it's so. It's really cool.

[Matt Farah]

That's awesome. I'm stoked to read that.

[Zach]

And I bought it and was not sent for free. I'm not sponsored by Wilma.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, right. I wish it was paperback so I could easily travel with it.

[Zach]

I know. I think when I pre ordered it, that was the only one available. You will probably read that in two days.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, I have plenty of air travel coming up. This is a Tenerife read.

[Zach]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Tenerife and back. I'll blast through that.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah, you just gotta bring a second carry on for it. It's a big book, dude.

[Matt Farah]

I don't have to make video so I don't have to carry the cameras, which means I get to bring an actual suitcase. This is gonna be fucking luxury living.

[Zach]

Nice.

[Matt Farah]

Kidding.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

This is gonna be amazing.

[Zach]

Put the book in one half of the suitcase.

[Matt Farah]

I get to roll a proper suitcase. I get to bring nice shoes for dinner because I don't have to fucking have a backpack.

[Zach]

That is a funny thing. Yeah. Like everyone, every one of these dinners is wearing like a blazer and then the sneakers they wore for, you know, 48 hours to get there. It's so funny.

[Matt Farah]

And you know, you're going to a nice place, you want to have nice, you know, good clothes. But if you're bringing camera gear, that's your carry on. And then you just get your quote, small personal item, which is a backpack, which I have sketchily. I have an oversized backpack now that if a normal sized person put it on, it would probably look too big, like they were going camping. When I put it on I can kind of sneak it. It's like to scale, sort of like the Vespa actually. But that holds my clothes but not enough to bring extra shoes.

[Zach]

I think it's the inverse of the Vespa. You make the Vespa look small.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach]

You make the backpack look small, look smaller.

[Matt Farah]

It's not the inverse. It's exactly the same thing. Just as I described it.

[Zach]

Going in a different direction.

[Matt Farah]

Yes. It's funny how I smoke weed and yet you got high. Yeah.

[Zach]

So.

[Matt Farah]

But that's what you have to do. You have to pack like real small because it's got everything for four days. Has to go in a backpack.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Tough. Yeah.

[Zach]

Gotta choose how many T shirts. How many T shirts will I really need for this trip?

[Matt Farah]

T shirt. If it was only T shirts. Easy. It's when you start going, well, I want to dress nice for the dinner. And then it's the. Then it's, well, am I going to bring these pants that I'm only going to wear for the one night or you know, and what looks nice but really kind of isn't. Can I layer?

[Zach]

You know?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, let's go to the people. I'm sure they have something to say, you know, they always do. And patreon.com thesmokemtirepodcast is where you go to get the live stream, ask us questions, get the show early, get extra show, get access to exclusive collabs, merch, tickets to shows before anyone else. Speaking of tickets to shows, we have booked a gig Clapman official. We are going to be doing a live TST podcast at the Time to Drive event in Miami in November. It's a watch and car celebration called Time to Drive. I think the event is maybe the 7th and 8th of November. Does that sound right? Have you googled that? I think it's the 7th and 8th of November.

[Zach]

No event page yet. It looks like I got a lot of Google results on best times to commute in Miami because the best time to drive.

[Matt Farah]

Well, I mean there certainly is like, it is like certainly a real thing that's happening.

[Zach]

Well, that's awesome.

[Matt Farah]

I believe it is November 7th and 8th and there's also going to be a ton of crazy watch stuff and a ton of crazy car stuff going on in Miami. So that will be fun. And we can go the day early and pew pew. You control the iguana population.

[Zach]

Let's do it.

[Matt Farah]

Actually, I think Motty is coming to LA in a couple weeks, having dinner at your house in July. But I think he wanted to come on the podcast and promote the iguana business. And I was like, you can have 15 minutes. But what we can do is we can. You know, I grew up with this dude, you know, so we can use it as an opportunity for him to talk shit on me and my youth and for the patrons to ask him about the younger version.

[Zach]

Tales from Greenwich 2 as it was from Greenwich 2. All right, I like that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I thought you're gonna have him in here for 15 minutes and then be like, all right, Marty, you gotta go. He would leave. Marty's great.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, we'll go to the people. Can you zoom in? JCAT says I'm doing my first autocross. What are some handy items to bring either for myself or the whole group? How thoughtful of you. Comfortable shoes. You're going to be standing on tarmac. Lots of sunscreen. You're going to be standing outside on tarmac. Probably some kind of wide brim hat, sunglasses, plenty of water, snacks, maybe a comfy folding chair. I mean, whatever you might need for your car. Maybe it's a tire pressure gauge and a small compressor to re inflate afterwards.

[Zach]

I would definitely bring that. There's some things you can borrow from other people, but that's that you just want to it. They're not expensive. They're.

[Matt Farah]

You want to have more advertise them. 24 air.

[Zach]

There you go.

[Matt Farah]

Get one link in bio.

[Zach]

For real. Like you still so many tires. No, true. Like we're running an ad for right now. But also it is very helpful because you can air down, air up. If they ask what you. What should you bring for the whole group? I think if you bring. If you know, if you want to become good friends with people, bring one snack that seems slightly difficult to bring to a parking lot lot. You know, like have a cooler with fresh fruit. Just something where people go, oh, that's thoughtful and awesome. That's a great way to land.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's. Dude, that's a good one. Vodki, little vodka lemon watermelon for afterwards? No, the, you know, easy one. Those Starbucks like travelers. Not that I'm pro Starbucks, but you show up to any car gathering with two or three of those things and coffee for everybody while you're setting up. You're a hero.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Plus they write your name on the box. So everyone's like, who brought this? Oh, Dave. Thanks, Dave. You know what I like to do? Fucking go. And I go up to good vibes. I bring the TST stickers. And then when I get the fucking Starbucks things, I Slap a TST sticker on there. So I'm like, you're welcome. Yeah. What else? Is there anything else you would bring? I don't know.

[Zach]

I mean, just make sure. Make sure you can take care of your machine and yourself. So you cover snacks and water and all that stuff. And make sure you have fluids your car might need. Hopefully doesn't lose any.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, Legnum. Hardly knew him. That's very funny. Have either of you ever driven a Mitsubishi Starion or Conquest? If yes, what are your thoughts? I've driven one and had a LS3 in it, so it doesn't work out.

[Zach]

And that's the only one I've been around.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And that car was awesome, but it does not really count.

[Matt Farah]

They look cool.

[Zach]

Give me that. They're definitely a nerd car, as our patron asked.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know what they drive. Like stock. They look cool. And if I see a dope one around, I'm gonna come talk to you. Cause I'm a nerd. Honda. You ought to see these nuts. All right, if you were to sell one of each other's cars and replace it with something of equal value, what would you get for each other?

[Zach]

Other?

[Matt Farah]

One of your. Well, you have one car, so you have to sell your one car.

[Zach]

Sell that one. What would I. Which one would I sell of yours? I mean, I'm tempted to say you'll hate this answer for a moment. If I sold the Countach once it was done, but replaced it with a Singer Turbo, you'd be mad.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, I wouldn't. But you'd be like, this is.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

That'd be a come up.

[Zach]

Up. They're a little more expensive. That are.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they're.

[Zach]

It's a little more expensive with a Vespa discount.

[Matt Farah]

That would be a come up. Yeah.

[Zach]

So.

[Matt Farah]

Even. Even for three quarters of a Singer Turbo, that would be a good gift. Okay, if I sold your M3, let's call it $35,000, let's say that I would get you a. A brand new Prius plug in hybrid jacket and you would love it. Your life would immediately get better.

[Zach]

Yeah, in a lot of ways it would. That's really true. And I would hate how much I like it. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Duffel Shuffle Retirement club. What do you do to help unwind and distance yourself from work at the end of each day? Or is separation impossible? You already know, habibi. What do you do? You work into the night. You don't have a separation at the end of the day, do you?

[Zach]

I only work into the night. If we do a show at 5, that has to go up the next day, so then I'm fine. But if, but otherwise, like I'll eat dinner with Sarah, watch a show or when I was climbing, I would do that. That was great to discuss.

[Matt Farah]

Climbing is a good one.

[Zach]

Yeah. Even just like walking. Walking the dog with her at sunset is awesome. Just something away from screens.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, away from screens is important for me. I work out in the afternoon, so typically I will wake up really, not really early. I start my workday at 6 at home. I'll do emails over coffee, come to the office or go on a shoot or whatever. And I work until like three usually. And then I work out and then I make dinner and like the workout followed by the cooking. That's. That'll usually. I mean, that takes the fucking rest of the day. So. So, yeah. Costamojan, have you ever come across a car you were interested in with options that shouldn't exist? If so, would you purchase it regardless of price because of rarity? So fuck no, I would not purchase anything regardless of price because of rarity. Options that shouldn't exist would necessitate serious further investigation because cars can be modified. So like, if you're talking about, oh, this car has some crazy weird thing, a machine that dispenses lit cigarettes and it was installed by the factory. Like, prove it. Like, otherwise, go fuck yourself. Otherwise it's actually worth less than if it was stock. So I mean, it is certainly possible that one could find a vintage car with, if it's a Porsche, some kind of special wishes option or if it's a Ferrari. I don't know what the fuck they were doing back then. I mean, I assume in the 40s and 50s people would build you whatever the fuck you want.

[Zach]

Yeah, the coach building thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Options that shouldn't exist. A. That's like a pretty deep cut. I mean, there's very rare options. There's stuff that a VIP might have been able to convince someone to put in. And then there's a bunch of shit that's like, that was added at the dealer, you know, so, you know, but.

[Zach]

And that was bigger, I think in the 60s and stuff with like Genkos and things like that. Right. I mean, now I guess you have. You've got RTR and whatnot, but I feel like there's less. Like this car is specific to this dealership and you can only get it at that place. Whereas across the country you could never get that thing.

[Matt Farah]

Well, and they used to have like copo, like GM had Copo, which was like central order production office, which was basically like. Kind of like Porsche has special wishes, but like even more because you would get like racing engines and stuff that you can't get normally. But I. I mean an option that shouldn't exist is the burden of proof would be on the seller. And even if the thing is real, there is a value to it. But purchase it regardless of price. No, certainly never. Ed Goodsmith do you regularly watch any motorsports? Like you, I dabble in AER and other amateur racing series. If I'm not at least actively participating on a crew or at the event, I just can't see seem to care. Brother, I am with you. I have a very hard time giving a fuck. I will watch racing if it's on, if it's convenient. I'll go to a Formula one watch party if it's at a friend's house because I'm there to have a hang anyway. And generally I don't give a shit. But. And I don't give a shit not because I don't think racing is cool. It's because I cannot. Same with any other sport. Team sports, fucking pro sports, whatever. If I'm not. Not invested in the. The winning or the losing. Don't give a shit. You. You're not really a fan. You're. You're more fan than me?

[Zach]

Yeah, I. I mean we watch F1 when it's on because it's like it's become a thing I do with my wife, which is fun. I don't follow more than them because I don't have time to follow more motorsports than that. I would like to get into MotoGP because I think it's just so impressive physically. And I don't have. If I get interested or invested in some way, then I'm. Then I can be hopeful, hooked, and I can really appreciate how difficult what they're doing is. But I think if I'm just like a total outside observer and someone's like, hey, get into V8 supercars, it would be really hard for me to just glom onto a new sport just by being entertained by the car's motion. I think that only goes so far, right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Fully loaded diaper says you've talked about the benefits of renovating a construction question. Benefits of renovating existing buildings versus building a new one as far as regulations and the effect of local politics, etc. While discussing the expansion of Westside, what other inside baseball lessons have you learned and what would you do differently with your next building? Okay. Okay, here's a good one. And I didn't think about this one until it was like sort of too late.

[Zach]

The.

[Matt Farah]

When you're the owner of a building and you're doing a project, it could be a ground up build, and this could be for a home as well as a commercial building. This applies the same way. Somebody's in charge of that project, like the whole project. And either you really want that person to be you, or you definitely don't. Okay? And so what I mean by that is like, like in a house, maybe you hire the architect and then you hire the contractor, and then you hire one or two other tradespeople, maybe independently, and you hire the interior person.

[Zach]

Right?

[Matt Farah]

Those different groups and people involved in building the building are not just. They're only going to answer to you, which is incredibly problematic if you aren't an expert in certain fields. So like when I built my first building, this one, I hired the architect, I hired the contractor, I hired the lift manufacturer, I hired the interior designer. Each of those people refused to take orders or direction from any of the other ones, even though it's like the architect should tell the contractor how to build the building, the contractor should tell the lift manufacturer how to install the lifts. But it's not because those people didn't work in that chain of command. They all worked for me. And when there would be a disagreement, guess who the fuck had to solve that?

[Zach]

Yeah, they go to dad.

[Matt Farah]

Guy who isn't an architect, isn't a contractor and has literally never looked at a set of plans before. That is a problem. And so then you end up having to get an owner's representative or a construction manager, which is a whole other six figure job, in order to understand what these people are fucking fighting about. And or possibly appoint this person to direct the situation, which nobody will like because here's a new person coming in. Of all those people, I by far had the best relationship with the contractors. So I said, next time you work for me, everyone else works for you. You hire an architect, you hire the fucking lift installing guy, you hire these people. And now I only have to have one conversation. And it's never, I need to settle a dispute between two people and it costs me a little more money, but at least the person on the top is an actual expert in the field. You know, like that. That's one where like, I don't know, maybe they teach somewhere how to do that. But like, you certainly, at first glance wouldn't be like, wait a minute, I mean, I don't know about you. Maybe someone who's much smarter and sees big picture things. Not like I, but I was like, I'm the owner, so let me find a thing and let me find a thing and let me find a thing. Like who the fucking knew. Well, yeah, that one was. That was tough.

[Zach]

That's a stressful lesson.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I had to settle beefs between these like macho ass guys. Fucking crazy. Never do that shit again. Midship Runabout 2 seater says thoughts on features in modern cars that are meant to be luxurious but end up making the car feel cheap. Such as door handles that appear mechanical but are really electric releases. Changing from a lever to flip the rear seat down to a button you have to hold onto for 10 seconds. I've had a BMW X7 tell me, please wait vehicle starting with a delay before actually start starting the engine. I don't know what that's about. Diesel, I don't know if they're from Europe. If that's a diesel and it's cold, then that would actually.

[Zach]

It's like the glow plug thing, that

[Matt Farah]

would make sense, but they just, they

[Zach]

made a clear indicator instead of people having to know what the glow plug looks like.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure those are actually. I mean the X7 one is a gray area, but the button where you have to hold it as opposed to it being a one touch. The Mercedes sl. Great example. Touchscreen convertible top where that screen in the sun gets crazy hot.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And you have to swipe and hold and your finger is like cooking. Like that scene where they're burning off his fingerprints.

[Zach]

And maybe they want to make sure people don't accidentally bump it and roll it down. But like I feel like put a three number code and go like 1, 3, 2.

[Matt Farah]

Well, I also think it's a dead man switch, meaning you have to hold it so it won't automatically like crush somebody. So if someone goes okay and you let go, it stops.

[Zach]

That is easier than having a sensor, truly that would like detect your hand is being crushed.

[Matt Farah]

Porsche power seat is like that. So in my Taycan, if I open the door and the memory seat is on the door, if I open the door and I press my memory seat before getting in the car, it will do it. But if someone is sitting in the back seat, it won't. And you have to hold it so it won't like crush somebody. Same thing. To go from my seat, which is far back to Hannah's, which is very close because a person could. You have to hold it to go

[Zach]

forward that happened, was it two months ago? I think.

[Matt Farah]

I think I'll look up someone literally crushed by a power seat.

[Zach]

Yes. Yeah, it was like whatever sensor should have been in there for the folding seat didn't sense it and it killed the person.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy.

[Zach]

Yeah. Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Can you think of any other features past that? I mean, electronic door releases? I do think seem it would have been advanced and futuristic in the 90s and now it seems cheap. You know,

[Zach]

I think, I mean, curtains, that's more of a modification thing. But it's like, I don't know, in the right, in the right setting you go, VIP status. That's kind of cool. But then if you see it outside that setting or like something like, like at noon when the hot sun just hits a white curtain, it just reminds me too much of like RV life.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And that's when that looks cheap having

[Matt Farah]

an actual TV like in the back.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah. Well, but now what is it? Like the new Escalade has like a fucking huge screen across the back so your kids can watch, you know, a widescreen movie.

[Matt Farah]

How about like multicolor led like trim all around the. All around the cabin like Mercedes is doing in the eqs.

[Zach]

I mean, everyone's doing it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I know.

[Zach]

And it's. I don't know. That's like, that's both because you. It is nice to be able to adjust it. I like that you can change it to whatever color you want. Want. But I think if it shimmers and moves too much, then it's over the top. It's gotta be static.

[Matt Farah]

Eliza Schlesinger was on Are you garbage? And they were like, what kind of car do you drive? And she drives a Kia Sportage, which is now. It used to be a shitty car. Now it's like a pretty nice car. It's like a RAV4, but like, maybe it's about a RAV4. Right. I think it competes with the RAV4 but she was like, oh my God. It has all these inside lights and you can change all the color and foliage is like, the fuck do you drive Uber? Why do you care about any of this?

[Zach]

Welcome to Laser Dome. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Talladega Knights of Cydonia. That's pretty good. Thoughts on the M3 Honda Schalter? Will it be one to have long term? We are pro stick shift cars.

[Zach]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

I'm slightly upside down. Not upset. I'm slightly bummed that it has the fucking ball hugger seats and not the regular seats and no cup holder, but manual M3 sedan. That looks very aggressive and cool and will probably do Drifts is objectively good.

[Zach]

It is a good test, I think, for this generation of car. Like the last M2Cs held its value super well. It rode well. It looks good. It's all the right things. And this generation of M3 has been so controversial. Controversial in terms of styling inside and out. This will be the one that if this doesn't hold its value, it might be a little indicative of depreciation across the line.

[Matt Farah]

For sure. This is the kind of BMW that would hold its value in general.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Lamborghini. Lamborghini Cooch Touch. SV Aggressive.

[Zach]

You can just do it. You just walk in

[Matt Farah]

the Billy Bush edition. It's a safe space here. Ethics question. Ironically, I have a Hyundai Ioniq 5. Now, I glanced over this and I like where this is headed. I have a Hyundai Ioniq 5. I get unlimited EV charging at work as a perk for making us come to the office two days a week. Me too. Because of this, I installed a battery storage system at my home. Home. I charge my car at work and offload 75% of the battery to my house. I did not know that you could run reverse polarity in the Ioniq 5.

[Zach]

First of all, I'm just so happy you read my question.

[Matt Farah]

This is Zach's plan.

[Zach]

This is my plan.

[Matt Farah]

I have a combined savings of about $2,800 over the last 20 months. Work has stated time and time again it's unlimited. So one, should I care? And two, should I get a car with a bigger battery? I think this is fucking next level.

[Zach]

It's really clever theft. It's very funny.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think it's theft. I genuinely don't. I think unlimited means unlimited. I do not think that his rights to unlimited charging should be infringed in any way. They signed the fucking contract and didn't foresee this as a possibility.

[Zach]

So you'd be the defense and you'd be, like they said, unlimited. And let's. If I play prosecution, Unlimited breadsticks. I would say. I would say unlimited shrimp manager consumed in the premises. So. So I would say this is unlimited for the purpose of travel to and from work. Do you think it says that? I don't know. And if it doesn't, they'll add that

[Matt Farah]

later, I bet you.

[Zach]

But I think this is awesome.

[Matt Farah]

This is the Denny Hamlin. Is that who did the Wall? Ross Chestain?

[Zach]

Yeah. This is the Wall Ride.

[Matt Farah]

This is the one where they're gonna find out about it. And they go, you May have beaten us, but nobody will ever beat us again.

[Zach]

This is Nino's, our old roommate. Dodge Nitro. Right, Nitro. He had the unlimited forever warranty that free. That unlimited Chrysler offered for a couple years. They tried to buy it back. Was it the nitrogen?

[Matt Farah]

It was the wagon. The Grand Cherokee.

[Zach]

Grand Cherokee. They would call him every year and say, can we buy your car back for way over what it's worth on the used market? Because they want to get out of this unlimited warranty. It was the Cherokee diesel.

[Matt Farah]

Grand Cherokee diesel. And then, I mean, I don't know if he ever actually took advantage of this, but because it was unlimited miles forever.

[Zach]

Warranty forever.

[Matt Farah]

It was an infinite warranty. His name is the same name as his father. So they could potentially have a generational. It's a junior situation. And so there's a real potential that there could have been a generational warranty transfer.

[Zach]

Two Jeeps will last a hundred years. A Willys. And this thing. Oh, I say keep going for it. Especially if the company they work for is squeezing them or removing benefits or not giving them raises. Like, you know, if this is the way to stick it to the man, then I say do it.

[Matt Farah]

Look, if I was your boss, because I employ 10 people. If I was your boss and you were doing that to me, because I have an employee here at WCCS who does drive an electric car, and we have level two charging here, and I have told him if he needs to charge his car, he can charge his car. If I found out he was doing this, I would be mad. I actually don't know if it's like, fire. Like, if you lived in California, that may not be a fireable offense.

[Zach]

Oh, I have no idea.

[Matt Farah]

Like, you. You might be able to. Like, if you got fired for that, like, you might actually be able to sue. Like, there's a. There is a. There are rules with firing people, actually, in California. It's hard. Hard. So it might not be. If. If they. If they offered you unlimited charging, like, there might be no restrictions on that. In which case, 6D chess.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Love it. Absolutely.

[Zach]

You didn't say what I had to. I could charge or not charge.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. Should you buy a car with a bigger battery?

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, dude, mine. Bitcoin with that thing, you know, just. That's what you do. You park it in the parking lot at work, and then you have GPUs just cranking away.

[Matt Farah]

You should get an F150 Lightning. You should get a used F150 Lightning with the biggest battery that they offer power.

[Zach]

Your house.

[Matt Farah]

And you will. You could live off grid, but in the grid it would be like. Dude, it would be like Russia where you. You come home and plug your car in and your house turns on and you leave for the day. The house just completely.

[Zach]

I mean, I think they have power plants. I think they're probably really dirty, but

[Matt Farah]

I like this idea. You know, I was just watching some old episode of Bourdain and it was in Armenia and they were talking about in like, you know, the 70s and the 80s, and they're like, yeah, you know, the lights would come on for 90 minutes a day, so like, everybody would make dinner and do their laundry in those 90 minutes. But it's like, yeah, the house turns on like when you come home.

[Zach]

Kind of. Cool. Yeah, that's cool.

[Matt Farah]

That's fucking hardcore, dude. That's like. If I explained that to the AYG guys, they'd put you in the fucking hall of fame for a scam like that.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Unbelievable.

[Zach]

It's dirt bag. Clever dirt bag.

[Matt Farah]

Now the move is you need to write a business plan. Okay, here's the business plan. You keep your car. You buy an F150 Lightning for your spouse if you have one. You alternate cars every day and you trade it out. You double time. And now.

[Zach]

So now you're using one EV to power the house while you're at work.

[Matt Farah]

Correct.

[Zach]

And then you're. So you're hot swapping your house, you're

[Matt Farah]

hot swapping batteries on your home. It's a great move, dude.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's like you're changing all the reactions.

[Matt Farah]

That has unlimited charging at work. You should 100% be doing this. This is an amazing scam. I love it. Zach's underdrive pulley. Have you had any bad experiences with Waymo yet? I asked because yesterday our Waymo parked in a deep puddle and it wouldn't pull forward in the app.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

That exact thing happened to me. Although I was able to crawl out the other side. Side. We had. You and I had a Waymo that we felt made some very bizarre navigational choices.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

When we were going to Hollywood or something.

[Zach]

It seems to make, like, extra lefts.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

It. And this was at nighttime, so it was driving as if there was rush hour and it was avoiding it, but there was no rush hour.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. A lot of unprotected lefts.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I don't know if I. Is that them mapping more of the route or maybe they have to take less busy roads by a rule?

[Matt Farah]

I'm not sure Alex Roy told me. And I mean, this is. Alex is very smart. Alex is very knowledgeable, and he knows a lot about this shit, but he's not infallible. And I have no way to back this up. But he told me that in his research, the Waymos will choose the statistically safest way to go, which sometimes feels really weird. Like the. And is a potentially accurate reason for the way Moe's only taking that one exit to leave my neighborhood, even if I'm going the opposite direction.

[Zach]

It also makes sense, though, when the route they took with us because they're avoiding the big thoroughfares, which statistically have way more accidents, and then we're driving down this neighborhood past Waymo accidents. Waymo accidents.

[Matt Farah]

PCAR photos says. Did you see Porsche is bringing the fake shift to the 2027 Taycan. Simulated gears and paddles similar to the Ioniq 5. I'm not surprised. I told them for a year or more every time I should, that if you're not doing this, you're in deep shit. But they've only gone halfway. From what I have read this morning, it's a digitized sound. They need the downloadable car packs. That's. That's the real thing. It's not just putting. Pad Forza has it.

[Zach]

Horizon has it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Why can't they have it? Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Johnny Ev Gibberman, if you could buy any factory cup car to take racing, what would it be? Well, I think he means GT3 or GT4 kind of car. Factory GT race car.

[Zach]

I mean, probably the. I said before the Pro Drive 550 Maranello that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, the. That would be. That's. I mean, that's just because of dopeness

[Zach]

and sound and dopeness. And I think it would drive better than the actual car or the E46 was a GTR. I mean, that's great. Yeah, that's probably easier to drive.

[Matt Farah]

There was an E46 that had a Judd V10 in it as well. That somebody did that was like, you know, some. On some other sick dude. Steve Rimmer at his collection had this little rally car in the back corner that might have been a Citroen C2 or some shit from like. And there was a proposal for a new, more affordable WRC car. I'm probably getting the story wrong, but it's 10, 15 years ago, there was a proposal, and he and some other experts built this thing as a proposal for a cheaper WRC car. They didn't like it because it was naturally aspirated and the drivers wanted turbos. And they ended up staying with turbos. But he still had this car and it had a Judd four cylinder in it which was half of a Judd V8 and apparently is very rare. I've never seen another one. One. He said it's just a nasty, nasty super high compression, you know crazy sounding little thing with a sequential gearbox and all wheel drive in this little hatchback. He said it was quite the ripper. It was from the era. Remember the era where they had the one paddle shift on the steering wheel

[Zach]

on the right side.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it had that. So it was about from that era. Yeah. 15, 18 years ago, something like that.

[Zach]

And I think Judd engines now is most famous probably for putting the engines in Ryan. What's his face? Ryan Turks.

[Matt Farah]

Turks.

[Zach]

Yeah, his Supra and I think he did another car with him.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they make race motors.

[Zach]

They make racing engines. But like that's probably their most popular media videos.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. They have a V8, they have a V10 and. And it's all like psychotic racing stuff that. Yeah. Factory cup car. I mean like I can't hate on the original. The, the 911cup card is kind of where it's at. But assuming we're talking about factory race cars, I mean the Ferrari 458 Challenge or 488 Challenge would probably be quite the good time as well. The good Mercedes project left undone. Hope you're not talking about me. My forest green canyon got complimented by a two star general shout out to him. I love that. Great to hear. The only watches that I am ever randomly stopped and asked about are the Mint Canyon which everybody asks me about wherever I go and the Fortnite one. That one because it looks weird.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Does that say Donald's Osborne? Oh, McDonald's Osborne.

[Zach]

So this is the guy that asked the transmission question yesterday. He's got some context for us.

[Matt Farah]

Oh okay. The context for people. People don't know what a normal operation of their transmission is. That was. And I said I need to know what the fuck you mean by that. And so McDonald's Osborne is back. Two examples regarding Ford's 10 speed transmissions. Number one, it's common for these transmissions to skip shift where it will go 1, 3, 5 skipping the gears in between. This is normal. And a lot of 10 speed equipped vehicles will act actually display which gear you're in so it's easy to see the skip shifts in real time. We have to explain this to customers all the time that it's normal. But I paid for 10 gears. I want to use all 10 gears.

[Zach]

Wait till they learn about cylinder deactivation.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, right. Number two, it's parked. It's common for these vehicles. If parked for extended periods of time, the torque converter will drain back into the sump. And when you start it up and shift it into drive, sometimes it won't go anywhere. Takes a bit of time for that torque converter to fill back up. Ford has a TSB about it, but it's normal. And they arrive. Advise customers to wait 30 seconds after startup before shifting out of park. Hmm, that's an interesting one. I didn't know that one. I imagine that's an electronic lever or button. Right. So it'll let you do it and then nothing will happen.

[Zach]

Yeah. You're in drive, but you're not. Yeah, sorry. The shifter's in drive, but the transmission is not ready yet.

[Matt Farah]

Right. I mean, yeah, that links right back to, you know, me and my stupid temperature gauge on my car. That's pretty much it. And a lot of people wanted to know. The big one that everyone complains about is when 911 GT cars smoke a little bit on steel startup, like they all fucking do. And they all do it at, like, kind of random times. And so it can be like a little. People can be like, oh, I don't

[Zach]

know what's wrong with it.

[Matt Farah]

And like, apparently people call the dealer all the time and people call fucking Rick Demand all the time. And. And. And they all do it.

[Zach]

And I bet that stuff is mentioned in the manual, but nobody reads the manual, of course.

[Matt Farah]

The other one is cars. People get really surprised when their cars consume oil. Like, if you. I mean, if you've got a fucking Camry, like, it probably doesn't consume oil, to be honest with you. But if you buy a BMW M car or an AMG car or a Porsche and you go, holy shit, I've gone 1,000 miles. Why is my car low on oil? What's wrong with it? It's like, you look at the manual, it's like it will consume a quart of oil every thousand miles.

[Zach]

That seems like high consumption. But I know what you're saying my car does.

[Matt Farah]

My car does about. I want to say it does half to two thirds of a quart about every 1500 if I'm on it, which I'm told is totally normal.

[Zach]

Is that because you basically have a racing engine? Does that use more oil than a stock engine would, or is it.

[Matt Farah]

I think a little bit. But the regular ones use some oil too. Yeah, particularly like the regular, like 718 probably not. But like, GT cars definitely do use some oil.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Saleen. The seas of GTs. Saleen.

[Zach]

That's funny.

[Matt Farah]

Yes. You have to pronounce it Saleen. Saleen. The seas of GTs. If you could trade your breadth of knowledge about cars for any other hobby that you always wanted to get into but never did. That's a good question.

[Zach]

Yeah, but I think, like, I have other hobbies. I guess I don't know as much about my other hobbies as I do about cars, but we tend to know a lot about our hobbies because we're also into those things. I mean, if I could swap the volume of knowledge thing you wanted to

[Matt Farah]

get into but never did, that's really the question. And you'd get to be good at it.

[Zach]

Oh, stand up. What am I even pausing?

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach]

Yeah, duh.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I would say. I mean, I don't know. If I could trade knowledge for talent. I would say like. Or skill. I would say like playing the guitar. Like, if I could be. Not that I'm a genius, but if I could be a guitar virtuoso, that would be a thing.

[Zach]

If you could guitar as well as you car.

[Matt Farah]

If I could do math like my father, at this point in my career, I would trade. I would be able to do math like my father.

[Zach]

Really Just beautiful. Mind that.

[Matt Farah]

And just be so good at business stuff, which I'm just, you know, not.

[Zach]

You're doing pretty good. I mean, if you want to optimize.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, I'm like. I'm good at, like, the people. The people and the. That kind of stuff, but I'm not good at the spreadsheets and the. The P. Ls or.

[Zach]

That's why I'm stealing $2,800 a year from you in electricity. You're not. You're not noticing at all.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I have a Craig. I have a Craig to notice. That's the point. One needs a Craig.

[Zach]

What's a Craig?

[Matt Farah]

Craig is my fractional cfo.

[Zach]

Oh, right. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

If you have a small business and you don't have a fractional cfo, fucking get one. That's another business question, John. Rest in peace. John Stein had Craig as a fractional cfo, and I got him also. And Craig's company, he has some accountants and CPA and bookkeepers and stuff that work with him. And he is my fractional cfo. So I meet with him quarterly. He's available to calls to do financial planning or ask me, can I afford a new employee? Can I afford this? I Need to blah, blah, blah, do this for the business. How much can I be doing for Christmas? Blah, blah, everything. Am I making any money? Am I losing money?

[Zach]

It's a really smart idea. It's a fucking accountant. But it's without having to hire a full time CFO or having to know all of this yourself and be your own CFO.

[Matt Farah]

It cost me less than $20,000 a year. I mean, you can't beat it for that. You cannot beat it. And I have a. I have fractional HR department as well. That cost me $6,000 a year. Can't fucking beat it.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

That's a lot less than expected. Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Can't. Can't beat it, dude. All that. All that kind of stuff is. And I got. I got two other people on the. Craig too. That guy's great. How did I get on that? Oh, running a business. Right? Yeah. So the things I'm dumb at, I hire out. That's the move. BM trouble.

[Zach]

You

[Matt Farah]

color matching smaller pieces of clothing or accessories to my car. Yay or nay.

[Zach]

I do it by accident all the time. I wear a lot of green. I love the green. Notice my Weiss watch is green and my car's green. And there's times where I get in the car before I really pay attention to what I've done to myself. I go, oh, I look insane. Like, I look like I work at Cabela's right now and that's too far.

[Matt Farah]

I've never done it. I mean, we've designed the watch that's the Berry after the car. But like, I've. It's not my personal vibe to do that. I do sometimes mask match the watch, the shirt, the shoes, the whatever, the belt to the shoes. I'll match shit that is on my person.

[Zach]

That's called dressing.

[Matt Farah]

Well, dressing. I tried to. I usually fail. But like, not to the car. I don't care. I wouldn't be like, ew. But there are people that, like, there

[Zach]

are people that are really into it for sure.

[Matt Farah]

Matchy match.

[Zach]

Yeah. And I think just don't overdo it in terms of the volume of color that you've matched on your person. Then it. Then it gets weird.

[Matt Farah]

Go buy a C4ZR1. You can go back to any year with an unlimited budget. You have to buy a daily driver, a sports car, and an off roader. What are you.

[Zach]

Where.

[Matt Farah]

What year are you going to and what are you buying?

[Zach]

Can I buy things from different eras or is it just.

[Matt Farah]

No, it has to all be okay from that general Era. That's a tough one. Unlimited budget. So when today you've never.

[Zach]

Pretty good.

[Matt Farah]

You've never gotten more with an unlimited budget than today.

[Zach]

100% true.

[Matt Farah]

Like you, if you went to.

[Zach]

I think 20. Basically my anchor right now is raptor with 6.2.

[Matt Farah]

So 2013, like that's 2012.

[Zach]

That's one of the best off road vehicles ever made. Anything older than that is worse. So that's kind of where I'm sticking. I'm like I'm. Because then there's. There's fast cars in every era but good off roaders that I, you know, work really well and are comfortable and can handle the bullshit I'm going to do with them. I think like 2012. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Zach]

13,

[Matt Farah]

I'm gonna do a little different.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Oh you. Oh you didn't buy the. What do you.

[Zach]

So you got Raptor, a new Raptor sports car. Probably just get a GT3RS 2013. You know, let's be real with that.

[Matt Farah]

And then Daily 2013 there is no GT3 RS. In fact 201314 is the GT3 with the engine recall and PDK only.

[Zach]

Shit.

[Matt Farah]

So it's the worst year for GT3.

[Zach]

Then it's Mustang Laguna Seca 302 Tyler. Okay, all right.

[Matt Farah]

Mustang Laguna Seca 302. And what's the Daily? 2013 is a first gen Volt.

[Zach]

First gen Volt.

[Matt Farah]

First gen Volt. But now with an unlimited budget, you're not buying a Volt.

[Zach]

I know, I wouldn't.

[Matt Farah]

I'd get like a CLS Mulsanne is 2013.

[Zach]

I'd get CLS instead too, which I love. All right.

[Matt Farah]

I would go to 1987 and I will have a Lamborghini Countach.

[Zach]

No problem.

[Matt Farah]

I will have a Mercedes 560sec 6liter AMG wagon hammer as a daily. Excuse me, I said that wrong. I don't know why I said that like that, but it's very much wrong. I would have a Mercedes 300 TE with a 6 liter hammer conversion and a wide body. The wagon. And then for an off roader I would have an LM002.

[Zach]

Okay. I will pick you up and drive you between your cars when they break down. Yeah,

[Matt Farah]

Carl's matzo ball soup says this

[Zach]

is a long one.

[Matt Farah]

Oh boy. Holy frick. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Should I consolidate my Porsche 997 and a Golf R into one car that can be a daily and possibly take on multi day rallies? I already have an old 911 for classic rallies.

[Zach]

Okay, Got a Pretty big.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, my God. This is very specific, but holy shit. I mean, 75,000 bucks. No Corvettes. Prefer manual. Yeah. I would consider a Cayman GTS or Boxster GTS 4.0 very strongly.

[Zach]

Great car. We talk about a lot.

[Matt Farah]

I would consider 911s.

[Zach]

I would consider F87M2IS, IS AWESOME.

[Matt Farah]

But I just, I wouldn't rather have that than a great 997.

[Zach]

And I wouldn't either. I mean, this is. You have three awesome cars. You've got an air cooled 911, a modern one and a Golf R. You're probably bored of them, but man, that's a really strong stable. Like that's something we'd recommend to people if they asked us what they should buy with like 200 grand.

[Matt Farah]

Totally. 75k gets you in the skyline for family. Skyline R32. Nice one. Maybe even a decent R33. That could be a different experience for you.

[Zach]

I like that answer.

[Matt Farah]

You could get a great Aston V8 Vantage S with a manual. You could get a brand new Nismo Z manual, which would be pretty kick ass actually.

[Zach]

Yeah, go drive. I would choose our 32 or 3 out of all of those.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. That's it. Holy hell.

[Zach]

We did the whole thing.

[Matt Farah]

We did the whole thing. Thank you guys. I'm sorry it was a light, light news day, but Zach's going to travel and I'm going to do some things and the next show will be I'll be in Nashville with Matt Quick of Quick Classics who's doing the powertrain swap on our Mercedes convertible project. So we're going to check in with him, see how that's going, as well as talk about how to make classic AMG cars a little more fun to drive.

[Zach]

Very cool.

[Matt Farah]

So that should be very fun. And Zach's going to Colorado. He's going to drive a Mach E

[Zach]

rally around and the new Alpena sedan that totally exists. Definitely.

[Matt Farah]

Thanks everybody. Thanks to our patrons for such good questions. We'll see you next time. Bye.