Jonny Lieberman

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast — Jonny Lieberman

Date: September 2, 2025
Hosts: Matt Farah & Zack Klapman
Guest: Jonny Lieberman (Automotive Journalist)

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Overview

In this engaging, freewheeling episode, Matt, Zack, and guest Jonny Lieberman deep-dive into the elite world of specialty Porsche builds, particularly RUF’s extraordinary “Rodeo” model, the state of the high-end restomod scene, EV “synthetic gears”, and some inside baseball on automotive events in California. Interspersed is an extended whisky-tasting experiment—a blend of car nerd-out, irreverent humor, and food and beverage culture, as only these three can deliver.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Studio Mayhem & LA Car Culture Banter

• Timestamps: 01:38–03:37
• The episode opens amid technical chaos at the studio, leading to the quip:
  "We engine swapped the studio." – Zack Klapman (01:55)
• Lieberman recounts a recent party at Matt’s place, referencing Paul Kramer’s recovery and the practical wisdom of buying a ranch house in your 40s.
• Ample LA parking pride is discussed.

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The RUF Rodeo: A Million Dollar, Off-Road, Air-Cooled Monster

• Timestamps: 03:37–15:06

Driving Unicorns: RUF vs. Singer vs. Gunther

• Matt reflects on being among the few journalists to drive the latest Singer and RUF offerings ("…just get both. And he's like, no, really, I'm actually… you’re the only person who’s driven them.").
• Jonny, Matt, and Zack realize they’re the "only three journalists" to have driven the new RUF Rodeo (05:22).
• Only Jonny and Matt got to fully explore the car, with one rule: "Estonia says you have to take it off road." Jonny: "I said, only if I can drive it not like a bitch."* (05:50)

Rodeo’s Dynamics: The Widowmaker, Reimagined

• It’s a 610 HP, selectable-AWD, carbon-tub, long-travel off-roader described by Jonny as "a million dollar off road handful" (06:24):

  "Did you experience the snap lift off—oversteer?"

• Matt: "Nothing rotates like a Rodeo." (06:44)
• Rodeo channels the 930 "Widowmaker" mythos but with even less weight, over double the power, softest springs ever, and monumental oversteer on throttle lift.
• Advanced AWD system—"you can drag to select where you want it, or pop it in auto. It’s insane." – Jonny (11:39)

Comparisons to Legendary Oddball Builds

• Connections drawn to the Nissan Juke R ("driving a pinball"), Canepa 959SC, and Hummer EV (10:04–11:21).

  "When you floor the Hummer EV at night... the headlights are pointing at the sky. You have two seconds of, you cannot see what you’re rocketing towards. It’s so safe." – Jonny (11:16)

Design and Ergonomics

• Interior details: Navajo blanket/Ralph Lauren motif, big stitching (nod to Freeman Thomas, Audi baseball stitch), exposed carbon tub—a "flex".
• Critiques:
  • Electric A/C is universally bad in RUFs.
  • Steering wheel is "way too far away and not adjustable"—not ideal for all bodies.

    "If you’re starting from scratch … you didn’t have to make it that way. But maybe they did." – Matt (13:14)

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Whiskey Science: Tasting Experiments and Nerdy Bourbon Insight

• Timestamps: 22:08–33:21, 40:41–53:03, 57:07–67:10

Char Level & Barrel Location Experiments

• Fan Andrew (Director of Whiskey Research) sends blind samples.
• Char level test:
  • Level 1: Lighter, more vanilla and sweetness.
  • Level 4: "Fuck, that's delicious... That is a fabulously delicious bourbon." – Matt (29:49)
• Aging on different warehouse floors:
  • Bottom: "Cleaning solution." – Jonny (44:08);
  • Top: "Way better... you get candy and vanilla, but still harsh."
• Climate impact (Kentucky vs. Scotland):
  • Two-year-old whiskey aged in Kentucky is darker, more syrupy and harsh; Scotland version is lighter, more "scotch-like":

    "Second sip, second half, very bad." – Matt (65:43)

Bourbon Law & Tasting Techniques

• Lieberman explains legal requirements for bourbon and nerds out on the role of barrel char, warehouse microclimates, and the science of “white dog” spirits.

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Discussion: EVs, Synthetic Gears, and Engagement

• Timestamps: 31:11–37:40

• Talk about Porsche’s EV Cayenne prototype with "synthetic gears"—a feature that mimics traditional gear changes for driving engagement.

  "I want my EV Cayman to mimic the power-to-weight, gear ratios... of a 550 Spyder." – Matt (31:40)

• Jonny prefers authenticity ("no fake noise"), but Matt sees it as a way to make EV sports cars more emotionally engaging via downloadable "car packs" and adaptive gear and throttle mapping.

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Cadillac's Dolby Atmos, High-End EVs & General Motors Banter

• Timestamps: 38:27–40:54

• Jonny praises Cadillac’s physical integration of Dolby Atmos, especially as demonstrated in Elton John’s "Rocket Man":

  "I hate Elton John… but this blew my mind." – Jonny (38:55)

• Cadillac Vistiq, Optiq, and Escalade IQ discussed—true luxury EVs with power and features, but not for enthusiasts craving visceral driving engagement.

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Low-Volume Porsche Restomods: McKellos (& Naming Woes)

• Timestamps: 49:40–56:57

• Lieberman describes driving multiple McKellos (restomod) 911 builds; rave reviews for chassis and finish but lambastes branding:

  "McKellos is just a bad name… It sounds like a diner." – Jonny (54:45)

• General industry commentary on the importance of a memorable, evocative name ("Mulholland" is floated).

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Car Culture: LA Events, Cars & Coffee, and Community

• Timestamps: 46:30–84:24

• Upcoming Willow Springs Cars & Coffee event (Oct 11) previewed—live show, exhibition racing, judged concours.

• Jonny and Sang Yoon's quarterly Helms Bakery Cars & Coffee—focus on inclusivity and "real" enthusiast turnout, now sponsored by Cars & Bids.

• Practical advice for car show organizers: "Have coffee and snacks BEFORE the early staff and feature cars load in!"

• Deep dive into the trials of sourcing proper kaiser rolls for New York-style breakfast sandwiches in LA ("Brent’s Deli is the answer").

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Patreon Q&A — Notable Exchanges

• Would Jonny Buy Another EV?

  "I would buy another Rivian. I love mine. I don’t even care that I lost a little money on it." – Johnny (90:22)

• Enhancing Drive of Hellcat Widebody

  • Best mods: "Michelins, not Pirellis – and upgraded brakes"
  • "They're fun 7/10 cars, not fun 10/10 cars." – Matt

• Lightweighting in Sports/Track Cars: Does It Matter?

  "80 lbs only matters if you compare them back-to-back, or change unsprung or roof weight. On the front axle: huge difference." (101:34–102:29)

• Favorite Porsche Mount Rushmore (Best Porsches Ever):

  • Jonny: "550 Spyder," "America Roadster"
  • Matt: "997 GT3 RS 4.0," "85 Carrera Club Sport," "73 RSR Lightweight"
  • "You're so right on the 4.0. I forgot about that for a second." – Jonny (108:54)

• Car Industry Burnout?

  "I get burned out on the job, but I can sit and talk cars all night long." – Jonny (110:01)

• Stealth Wealth in Cars:

  • In LA, little true stealth—"People want it to be seen." Exceptions: vintage/rare watches, classic trucks, Bronco restomods, old Land Cruisers.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Nothing rotates like a Rodeo." – Matt Farah (06:44)
• "It’s a million dollar off-road handful." – Jonny Lieberman (06:24)
• "Have coffee if load-in starts at 7!" – Matt Farah, on the logistics of car shows (83:34)
• "McKellos is just a bad name…It sounds like a diner." – Jonny Lieberman (54:45)
• "We engine swapped the studio." – Zack (01:55)
• "Fuck, that's delicious…That is a fabulously delicious bourbon." – Matt, on Char Level 4 bourbon (29:49)
• "I hate Elton John… but this blew my mind." – Jonny, Cadillac's Dolby Atmos demo (38:55)
• "The car's greatest asset is its snap lift-off oversteer, once you know how to handle it." – Matt, on the RUF Rodeo (07:17)

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Suggested Listening Timestamps

• RUF Rodeo deep dive: 03:37–15:06
• Whiskey science and experimentation: 22:08–33:21, 40:41–53:03, 57:07–67:10
• EV synthetic gears debate: 31:11–37:40
• Cadillac & audio tech chat: 38:27–40:54
• LA Cars & Coffee scene: 46:30–84:24
• Patreon Q&A: 87:26–end

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Original, Spirited Tone Maintained

For fans of The Smoking Tire and Lieberman’s left-field stories, this episode delivers the perfect blend of car-nerd depth, competitive bench-racing, luxury car and whiskey snobbery, and the odd culinary rabbit hole. The dynamic is casual, quick-witted, and densely packed with both laughs and rare automotive experience—ideal for newcomers and regulars alike.

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

Hi, everybody. Welcome. Welcome to a show that. Wow. I mean, it was. It was going to be five and then.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Perfect timing.

[Matt Farah]

Perfect timing. If you're just joining us, Zach just had to rebuild the entire board. Not rebuild with solder. Like, had to.

[Zach]

We engine swapped it.

[Matt Farah]

We engine swapped the studio. And so now there's one board sitting on top of another board because our thing fucking broke. And so. But we're doing a show now on time. Ish, actually.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, perfect.

[Matt Farah]

That's why you get to work early, kids. Because if you have to rebuild your whole studio, you could do your fucking show on time. Johnny's here. Hey. Johnny was at a little shindig at Casa de Faro last night. Everybody was having a good time.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It was a lot of fun.

[Matt Farah]

It was.

[Johnny Lieberman]

My big thing was Mr. Paul Kramer, successfully with his new hip and cancer free.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Rolled in on his wheelchair and it was.

[Matt Farah]

This is why, listen, this is why you buy a ranch home in your 40s. Cause you never know.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. And also, you saved me a trip to Orange County. This is the real reason I showed up to the party. Thank you.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, look, for me, for you, coming to the west side is a. Is a rare treat as well.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You come to do our show, but otherwise it's west side party.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's not, you know, where you live. Actually, it's weird. It's not. You're not so west side, you know, it's not like. It's not like you're telling me to like, go to like Brentwood or something. Like, like, it's kind of. It's kind of like almost going to Zuckerman and then it's like five minutes extra.

[Matt Farah]

It's not.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's not so bad.

[Matt Farah]

And you know, ample parking, so it's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yes. You have the best parking situation in Los Angeles.

[Matt Farah]

We do have a good parking situation.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Don't it up. But yeah, here we are. Like, many things have happened since I lasted. I have a whole like, list of things. But we're not talking about me today. We're talking about you. Oh, I gave you paper and you made a list of things that you. That you wanted to talk about.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Helicopter cars and coffee and bids. And then coda. And also the roof.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, well, that's where I kind of want to start.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we. We are. We are. Apparently.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And a fan pointed this out to me the other day that I. And I. And not.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No.

[Matt Farah]

Zach, have you driven a Singer classic?

[Zach]

No.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, well, probably you also, Johnny. But there's not a lot of people.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That have driven a Singer.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, you haven't?

[Johnny Lieberman]

No.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I breakfast with like the guy yesterday.

[Matt Farah]

Well, you should drive.

[Zach]

That's a choice. You really should.

[Matt Farah]

I recommend them. But. But like, I'm one of the. I've driven all three of the new roofs. All of the current Singer offerings except Turbo dls. So people are like dming and you know it's a DM from a random on Instagram and they're like, well, this or this? And I like roll my eyes. And I'm like, just get both. And he's like, no, no, really, I am actually like, I could get them. And like, you're the only person I know could think of who's driven them. So it's kind of interesting place. But we both drove the roof Rodeo.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. And by the way, I have driven the coupe.

[Matt Farah]

Whatever they're calling it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Speedster and Turbo Gunther.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah, those two.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I've driven the roof scr. So the naturally aspirated. I've driven the Rodeo and I drove the new air cooled one. The true. I haven't driven the turbo. Turbo.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we didn't. We drove the crazy one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And we did not get to do the air cooled.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Air cooled is like.

[Matt Farah]

I heard it's real cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's. It's just like. They're just geniuses, that company. Like, like, let's do an air cooled with a seven speed, but you can put it in seventh gear at 30 miles an hour and it pulls because it's rough.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy. Yeah, we'll come back to that one. We both drove Rodeo last week. Zach also drove Rodeo last week.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, so we're the only three journalists that have driven it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I mean, literally, they. They said because I asked. I'm like, hey, you know, Mr. Roof told me the car's gonna be in LA for a week. Could I drive it? It's like afterwards. And they came back and they're like, it was actually the tribute. I wanted to drive the air cooled one for like a video. And they're like, you know, that car is not running perfect, but you and Matt are the only ones who are allowed to drive the rodeo. And I was like, really? Like, yeah, but Estonia says you have to take it off road. Yeah. Can't just drive it.

[Matt Farah]

Well, that was good because I. They asked if I wanted to drive it and I said only if I can drive it. Not like a bitch.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right?

[Matt Farah]

And they were like, yeah, okay. They were down. Like, they were totally down. So it was these little static photos. That I posted on my Instagram. I don't think quite do the justice to the car but it's 610 horsepower with a selectable all wheel drive system. The carbon tub that RUF is doing, wider body, long travel, it's a good time.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I described it as a million dollar off road handful because. Did you experience the snap lift off, I should say oversteer.

[Matt Farah]

Yes. Which I did once I found it the first time I went, oh, I'm now going to do this over and over and over and over again. Nothing rotates like a rodeo.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Nothing. Okay. So you know, you've all grown up listening how the 930 was the Widowmaker because it had lift oversteer. Well, this is the same size car. It weighs less, it has more than double the power.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And it has the softest springs of any Porsche ever built. And so or Porsche like thing. And so when you lift off at a good clip, the rear comes out. Now the weird part is if you leave the traction control on, it yaws about 30 degrees and then corrects itself.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But it moves you over four feet to the left.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So you gotta make sure traction controls.

[Matt Farah]

I found safety off was way better off.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Is the move for safety. It's much safer to not have any traction.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Actually the, the SCR has a pretty interesting traction control system as does the ctr. But like this, with this off is the way you have to be off. But yeah, if you're not ready for the lift off oversteer, this, this car would be terrifying.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It was funny because I, I had driven it so I knew it was doing it. And then Rylak was in the car filming. It's my partner, my YouTube channel. And the first time it happened like I was, I just kept driving because I knew it was gonna happen. He just looked at me like, yeah bro. I was like, no, no, it's fine, it's fine.

[Matt Farah]

We found a closed section of paved road as well as a good section of gravel.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, fun.

[Matt Farah]

And there. This car is incredibly easy to drift on tarmac. Yeah, I bet it is.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yes, it is.

[Matt Farah]

And I had my friend in from out of town and it was take your old friend to work day and he was white after a five minute ride in this thing. The, the and all even in a straight line. Forget, forget that because that is very exciting. And once you understand how that works and how to control it, it becomes the car's greatest asset in my opinion. Yeah, totally. It's like the stirato, it does the same thing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's what the Strato should have been with the ground clearance and the soft. Sure.

[Matt Farah]

But in terms of like the way how you do the break, flick, smash, catch, straight that. But even more exaggerated and especially because it's stick shift like when Zach drove it and you feel it in the car, but you really see it when he does a three gear pull.

[Zach]

So fun.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's like the Hummer EV mixed with. I didn't get to drive it, I got to ride in it. But the Canopa 959SC.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Because now it's 815 horsepower and it's, you know, shock technology from the 80s. So when you floor it, you're just. The nose just goes in the air. But on the roof it just. When you hit the brakes, it dips forward. Yeah, yeah, it's. It also reminds me of. Do you remember the Juke R?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So the Juke R kind of was like the short wheelbase, too much power and it kind of bobbled around.

[Matt Farah]

Also the best car ever. It kind of was the Juke R really was.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know, I never knew about it. They made a Juke R.2. Did you ever experience that? It was just. It was like the Nismo power plant.

[Matt Farah]

Went into a juke.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So it was like, you know, it was only legal in like Dubai or something.

[Matt Farah]

Like eight of those, right?

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, they made more than that. Really? Zach. Look it up, Zach. But they made more. But then they made a second gen which I never drove, but apparently was.

[Matt Farah]

Even better because I would definitely still like if I was. That if I was into GTRS, I would pay, you know, one of AMs or one of these shops. Yes, build me.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Matt Farah]

Because you. I wouldn't. Because the real one would also be like very collectible. Yeah, I want, I would want one that you. That would be disposable.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And I think the first one was like 465 horsepower.

[Matt Farah]

The 2.0 horsepower kick ass 2015.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So it got the Nismo power plant so sweet. I thought the Juke R was one of the greatest cars I ever drove.

[Matt Farah]

I never drove.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, I drove it.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, it was. Is it like what. What you'd want it to be?

[Johnny Lieberman]

It was like driving. I think I described it like driving a pinball. Cuz it's just like it just was so little.

[Matt Farah]

That was very good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It just changed direction so fast because it was a GTR with a short wheelbase and. But because it was up high, it just was like more tippy, which. I like cars that do that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I like body. Body roll yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's cool. You can now engineer it out. That's very neat. It's a neat hydraulic trick.

[Matt Farah]

Please don't.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, but like, like the rodeo was just, it was so fun.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And that's why like the Hummer EV to me is just like a joyride. Because I don't know if I told you this or you did it but like at night, if you floor the Hummer ev, you do what the mode you can't see because the headlights are pointing towards the sky. You have two seconds of. You cannot see what you're rocketing towards.

[Matt Farah]

It's so safe.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Safe. You know, it's so great.

[Matt Farah]

Oh boy.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. So thumbs up.

[Matt Farah]

I really enjoyed it. If you, if you put the suspension in sport stiff, the stiffer mode, it does that a little less. But like, not that I didn't, you.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Know what, I kept hitting it. It wasn't like, it didn't seem like it was doing anything.

[Matt Farah]

Does it like a little less. But like, not really.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But also like again, roof. They come up with their own all wheel drive system that like you can like drag to select where you want it or pop it in auto. It's insane. Like, what an insane company.

[Matt Farah]

And rear wheel drive is the good, is a good mode.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's the only way to go is exceptional.

[Matt Farah]

I actually really. And even this orange car, the interior with the like the Navajo blanket, you.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Know that Ralph Lauren inspired.

[Matt Farah]

I do know it was. Yes. And, and the double RL leather and all that I think is double RL leather is really, really nice to the touch.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So the, the giant stitching was. That's like a nod to Freeman Thomas. So Freeman obviously designed. Since 2017, every roof has been designed by Freeman.

[Matt Farah]

And so yeah, it's the giant stitching is the Audi baseball stitch almost that somebody has in their own car downstairs.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Very true.

[Matt Farah]

So, yeah, the only thing I don't, there's two things I don't like about this car. One, the electric AC sucks.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh yeah.

[Matt Farah]

In all roofs, it sucks. It just does.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Because in Germany you don't need it the way we need it here.

[Matt Farah]

And it was the same with that Totem GT thing. It used the same unit and it sucked in that thing too.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I just had that Michelo's car car with the same unit and yeah, sucks.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, so that sucks. And the steering wheel isn't adjustable and, and it just, it's way too far away from you.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So I, yeah, I'm, I, I, I, it's probably bad, but I like to have steering wheels far away. So I thought it was great. But yeah, it should be adjustable. 1.25 million if you're.

[Matt Farah]

And if you're starting from. You're starting from scratch like you didn't have, you didn't have to make it that way. But maybe they did. Like, maybe Eloisa is gonna email me later and go, hey, hey kid. We did have to make it this way. And maybe that's true. But like, I don't know, for me it's, it's not in the right place and I can't make it in the right place. And that is a bummer. And it's the only bummer about this entire line of cars from this. Oh, they're all like that. They're all like that. It's not just the roading is.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I think whatever shape I happen to weirdly be, I'm this. I'm like the buck they design cars around. Cause I just fucking have.

[Matt Farah]

You would not. You wouldn't. The SCR that we Dr. Wouldn't have fit in. It was designed for a small person.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Ah, okay.

[Matt Farah]

And we did not neither Zach. I didn't fit in it, which is normal.

[Zach]

And then also the angle of the.

[Matt Farah]

It needed to be set up for him, I think.

[Zach]

Okay, maybe.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. But it just wasn't quite right back to the interior. These were much more comfortable. The ones in this rodeo.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Very true.

[Matt Farah]

Were larger size or whatever and they were sat right. They were great.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But this shot's awesome if you're, if you're following along on the video because everyone's gonna look at the Navajo blankets and all that, but who cares? Look down. Look at the carbon fiber of the tub poking through. I thought that was such a flex like to have you have both all this blankets. But really the money is in the carbon fiber.

[Zach]

You have to show that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So yeah, it was so cool. I just loved it.

[Matt Farah]

The Totem GT Super GT also did that same effect with these like big swaths of leather and houndstooth. But then the tub peeks through around the edges of the floor mats and I'm like, that's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I like how it's not Pagani OCD carbon fiber. It just looks like industrial carbon fiber, which is so cool.

[Matt Farah]

It's not super glossy and, and it's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Also not super book matched and all that nonsense. It's just, it looks like, you know, like, like you went to the carbon fiber factory and got carbon fiber. Just. I, I love it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, these, this, these cars really kick ass. And I have, I have a client Here at the store who owns a twin turbo one. An anniversary and owns all of the blue chip Porsches, all the good stuff. And he says it's his favorite to drive.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And I believe it. It's a nasty, nasty little thing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I drove that SCR a couple years.

[Matt Farah]

Ago that was at the Quail.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And it was. I mean, first of all, it was just phenomenal. It was that oak green one. Just phenomenal to drive. Like, everything was perfect. And I remember I was getting a little. Not teary, but, like, you know, I've been reading about rough yellow BIR since 1987 or whatever, and, like, you know, so we're. We're going. Ali was in the seat next to me, and I'm kind of having a moment. I do, like, you know, the third to fourth shift, like, flat, like, you know, whatever that is. Like 120 miles an hour.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It makes a great noise. And I'm like.

[Matt Farah]

I look at him like, you know.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I've been waiting, like, 33 years for this moment. And he goes, yeah. If you call that the screaming orgasm.

[Matt Farah]

I was by myself for that moment. And it was in Bruce's yellow bird.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, that's a real yellow bird.

[Matt Farah]

Shout out to Uncle B. Uncle B hooked up your boy here. And Bruce Meyer did a little treat for me, and I got to have a real go on Upper Big to Hunga. And it was the right road for that particular vehicle.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So we've talked about this before, but Matt and I have this thing of, like, bigfooting each other, like. And I. I had two Chirons.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I was there.

[Matt Farah]

And the only way to beat two.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Hurons is with one og. First yellow bird. Right. That's the only way.

[Matt Farah]

There's no other car. We're sitting on the side of the road setting up cameras and like. Like, is that Johnny and two Bugattis.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. I was just like, oh, man, you win. And it was hysterical because even the Bugatti people were like, is that a yellow bird?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Jamie's like, dude.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And then we're literally supposed to be talking about the Shirana. We're just talking about yellow bird.

[Matt Farah]

So.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. That car was that car. You up that car way too. I understand why they are millions of dollars.

[Johnny Lieberman]

$6 million, right? That one just sold.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I think 6 was the highest.

[Matt Farah]

The. The most recent one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't want to just hit auction, like, recently.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. But it didn't get that number. But it wasn't a very good color. Ah, it was. It was like dark red, like, like, like dark red with like chrome window trim. Like it's a real yellow bird. But it was like not the best color. It wasn't yellow.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Somebody went and got that one painted black.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And then the freaking rodeo, which it was at the Quail, that's not the orange one. Was a customer car.

[Matt Farah]

Black. I was not, not personally a fan of the rodeo in the black white Ken Block Hoonigan scheme. That didn't. That didn't do it for me at all.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, we don't. Paul, me and Marco had a whole conversation about that where they were like, well, that's what the client wanted. And like, fun.

[Matt Farah]

I'm not saying they should have said no. It just. That car doesn't do it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They say, next, we're gonna do another one for the Quail and you can wait. And like they. But they don't realize who they are. You know, they're just like this happy family. Like we build fun cars. Or like, like you could say, no, you're not getting black, sir.

[Matt Farah]

You can wait. You can get black for showing the bright green one. Whatever. Yeah, yeah. Do you want to. Do you want to do some science? Yes, Zach, do you want to do some science? Yeah, a little bit of science. So a fan, I forget, did he want me to.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I think he want.

[Matt Farah]

He said I could use his name. Yeah. A fan named Andrew works at the independent Stave company.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh yeah.

[Matt Farah]

He's the director of Whiskey Research and Innovation, which is. That's a fucking job title.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Good title.

[Matt Farah]

Imagine being at a bar.

[Johnny Lieberman]

What do you know?

[Matt Farah]

And you were the director of Whiskey Research. Innovation. That's a fucking kick ass job.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Like this.

[Matt Farah]

And he goes, I think you might like what I do all day, which is whiskey Science. And I. And he sent me some experiments, some tasting experiments for us to try. And I've saved them for. Since May for you to come back and for us to try them. So we have three different whiskey tasting experiments and. And we can talk about some other things while we try them, but experiment one is the same whiskey aged in barrels with different char levels. It's a six year old bourbon.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Perfect. This is fun.

[Matt Farah]

And we have a six.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Char level one versus char level four.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, oh. It's a big difference.

[Matt Farah]

It's a big difference. Okay, so we'll start with one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

And we'll just have a little sipski here.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Quick. So this might be interesting. Okay, here we go.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So I'll just.

[Matt Farah]

Fortunately, that's about half of this one. So I might be able to do this again with someone else later.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So always bears repeating. But bourbon legally has to be made in the United States. So you could make bourbon in Hawaii if you want. Wanted to.

[Matt Farah]

Some should.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Has to be 51% corn. Has to be aged a minimum. I want to save three years. Has to go into a virgin. Not white oak, but virgin oak barrel that has some degree of char and has to enter at between 100 and 120 proof. So you can't just dump firewater in there. But that's legally what makes a bourbon a bourbon. And so this char level just nosing right now. So it's gonna be. Probably make it sweeter.

[Matt Farah]

More char will make it sweeter?

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, less.

[Matt Farah]

Less char.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I think less char would make it sweeter. It would be more like maybe more vanilla and less oaky flavor.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. I think I do taste vanilla in this.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Vanilla. Vanilla.

[Matt Farah]

It's like kind of strong.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It is six year could. Yeah. I mean, again, it could have entered the barrel at 120 proof and then as not always 100%, but as bourbon sits in barrels, the water evaporates a little bit. And so it kind of. It goes through a second distillation.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And so you can increase the proof. That's a way to.

[Matt Farah]

I assume all of these are barrel. Barrel proofs. It's better be barrel proof or.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Mr. Director of Innovation. All right.

[Matt Farah]

Not bad.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, that's lovely. Oh, I like that.

[Matt Farah]

It's. It's. It's hot. It's hot.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's hot. I don't mind the hot, but I liked. I liked it. This is great. You guys don't have any ice cubes? I love this. This is great.

[Matt Farah]

But we're doing science, so I don't want to water it down either. I can't water.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, no, no.

[Matt Farah]

Glass rinse quick. Glass rinse.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You could.

[Matt Farah]

You probably.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Look, he's using. He has a never ending supply of new glasses. Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

I'm just gonna lick the glass clean all the way to the bottom there.

[Johnny Lieberman]

All right.

[Matt Farah]

Char level four. Let's see.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. So this is the same.

[Matt Farah]

Can we taste the difference?

[Johnny Lieberman]

So in other words, the same whiskey goes into two different barrels.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

One is a four. One's a one. Yep.

[Matt Farah]

So this is more char. So what kind of flavors are more chart. I don't want to. Well, are you gonna put it in our head?

[Johnny Lieberman]

No. Yeah, exactly. To smell it and taste it first. And I'll give you.

[Matt Farah]

Let's see what we've got.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Not expert opinion, but I. I've spent.

[Matt Farah]

A lot of time at this really smells different. It smells way different.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So a little more like a campfire. I mean, literally more like Charlie. And less sugar, less syrup.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So the vanilla flavor in bourbon kind of comes out of the wood out of the oak. And you also get wood out of the, you know, the oak flavor. And so I think more char, I think would give you more oak flavor.

[Zach]

Isn't that part of why chardonnay has so much like vanilla flavoring as the oak it sits in?

[Johnny Lieberman]

American Chardonnay. Yeah, they let it sit too long.

[Matt Farah]

Did you taste this yet? Can I just say, for the record? Fuck, that's delicious like that. That is a fabulously delicious bourbon.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's great.

[Matt Farah]

Whatever this is that exceptionally good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

There's still plenty of vanilla, but there's also like a cinnamony kind of thing and. Oh, that's, that's. That's damn good. That's also like icing.

[Matt Farah]

Habibi, get me a fucking bottle of char.

[Johnny Lieberman]

4.

[Matt Farah]

Let's go.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know what I mean?

[Matt Farah]

Like a little.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's almost like instead of like vanilla extract, it's like vanilla icing. There's a real level.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a rich, like a richer, like a thicker vanilla.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Fuck, that's good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Wow. Okay, so this is, this is great because A, you're experiencing B, like once in a while I'll get like a five or six year old bottle that is like of this quality and it's like, how did they do this? And they picked the barrel. Barrels.

[Matt Farah]

Wow.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But it's also gambling because remember, the way it works is they're like, well, we got these barrels. Well, let's see what happens when. Wait six years. Oh, it's really good. Or that's okay. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You know, so well this one. God, is that a winner. That's so super good. You know what got me real excited the other day when I was.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Zach's like struggling over there.

[Matt Farah]

He's like the back of the throat pretty hard.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's what it's all about. What it's all about. That's what it's all about.

[Zach]

That's what you guys love.

[Matt Farah]

I heard about a Porsche Cayenne prototype that has synthetic gears. An EV prototype?

[Zach]

Yeah, someone posted about it.

[Matt Farah]

It's a Cayenne, not a fucking Cayman.

[Zach]

They're headed there.

[Matt Farah]

But somebody at Porsche is trying it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And you guys like those synthetic gears.

[Zach]

I think it's better than no gears.

[Matt Farah]

I think it gives you. I don't think giving people not. Not for the Cayenne. I don't give a shit about the Cayenne having gears. I care about the new Cayman having synthetic gears. It's more.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't like it.

[Matt Farah]

And what I care about ultimately is not just synthetic gears. Synthetic gears is the stepping stone to downloadable car packs. What I want is my EV Caiman to mimic the power to weight gear ratios etc of US 550 spider today.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Because otherwise, otherwise it's gonna sound like you're always in six.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I want the, I want the ratios to change with the car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't want any sound except for the sound of the motors. I just don't want any sound.

[Matt Farah]

That's fine. You can do that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, that comes with that.

[Matt Farah]

You can always turn it all off.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I just, you know, I had last year this gentleman named Andy Pringer. I let him drive my Rivian. Yeah. And it was hysterical. Cuz he was bitching and moaning about all the EV stuff and like. And he drives the Rivian around. He's like, why didn't we do this? He's like, this. It just, it just sounds like what it is. There's no fake noise. And I go, yeah, it's. That's why it's really good. And he's like. And he's a big truck guy. He's a redneck.

[Matt Farah]

Doesn't he have a ramp? He drives a ram around Germany.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And he, I think he was saying he wants to move to Montana and like fly fish when he retires.

[Matt Farah]

But.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But he was just like, he's like, this is great. I go, ye, yeah, that's great.

[Matt Farah]

I don't agree with all EV things, but all EV choices like that went into the fucking taycan I've got. But I do think that for ev, if you're gonna try to sell people on EV sports cars, giving them more ways to engage with the machine is better. They don't have to use them all the time. But if it's just software and a couple fucking paddles on the steering wheel and whatever, give it to them them. It's more fun.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. I leave a disagreement because I drove the Ionic 5N and I was. Well, first of all, it's like you sampled a Elantra n motor, that's the.

[Matt Farah]

Best you could do. Oh yeah. Well, that's the best Hyundai can do. But Porsche can take the concept and do a lot better.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I agree. But also you're pumping it out of $45,000 ionic speakers. So like it's kind of again, Porsche can wear my spirit up.

[Matt Farah]

The sound isn't great. What's important about the sound is it accurately represents what you're doing with the car. Right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But also, I just turned everything off and just. No fake gears. I'm like, this thing's pretty good. I. I didn't think it was. I didn't think it was the greatest driving experience, but I was like, I liked it much better without the gears and without the noises. Like, just.

[Matt Farah]

Well, you'd be happy to know that at the New York safety track, it's 2 seconds a lap quicker with the gears off.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, of course. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It also doesn't give you full power with the gears.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right?

[Matt Farah]

Because it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, it doesn't. I. No, I didn't go on the launch. I.

[Matt Farah]

No, because if you, if you're using the gears, it builds torque as if it's a gasoline car, whereas if it's off, it's just, just full kill all the time.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I just like, I like evs because it's like you just have all this, like, I drove here in this Cadillac Vistic, which is like, you know, it's about 80% of the way there. It's pretty good.

[Matt Farah]

Is it bigger or smaller than a Lyriq?

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's bigger. It's a three row.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So it replaces the totally awful XT6, which made me really.

[Matt Farah]

That was a thing still, wasn't it?

[Johnny Lieberman]

It really made me question, why does GM exist? When I showed the. Why did we save them as a country? Because it was just such a bad vehicle. It really, it was just. And, and the powertrain was the worst part. It just was like a soulless, gutless 3.6 liter.

[Matt Farah]

No, the XT. Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This is really bad.

[Matt Farah]

I didn't even know they still made it, to be honest.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't know if they still do. But, but, and it was funny. I put a thing up, I said, do you guys even care about. Because I asked Cadillac for some cars and they dropped this off. I didn't ask for it. I'm like, do you guys want a video of this? And like, it's like over 90% of the response was like, hell yeah. Really?

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And what, what, what I like about it, One of the things I like about it is that, you know, at the end of the day, it's 615 horsepower, 650 pound feet of it hits 60 in 4.3 seconds. And like, no one who owns it will ever do that. But it's there if you want it. And like, there's no gears, there's no noise. It's just, just very nice luxury Thing, but it's got that, you know, it does the EV thing when you need it, you know, so it's, it's. I just like, I don't. I don't need the fake gears. Like, it's. It. It. I always get back to.

[Matt Farah]

I wouldn't need it in a crossover.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, you really.

[Matt Farah]

I just. I only care about this in sport. I don't even wish my Taycan had it right. I just. In sports cars.

[Johnny Lieberman]

All right. I haven't got. The only electric sports car I've really ever driven was the. The Batista. The 2000 horsepower.

[Matt Farah]

That would, that would do perfect in that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I loved it.

[Matt Farah]

I just.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That. That's.

[Matt Farah]

That car would be much more fun if it had effective fake years. It really would. That car. I didn't. I drove the. The R. Yeah. Yeah, same.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, same. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Literally, when you're being a complete maniac.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It was amazing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And when you're driving like a normal human being, it's a snooz.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Well, so the Batista, what's nice about it is it has a much more of an interior and it's like a little softer, you know, it's not. Because they're not trying to get all. Every speed record. And it was like, this isn't the.

[Matt Farah]

Reason I was saying that about.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Well, I was just saying it was like a nice car to drive around and then, and then I floored it and it was just like, this is so stupid.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, credit to mate and those guys for being able to do that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I just like, like, I don't. I don't know if they think this. I. I just think that like once they got there, it's. It's for that kind of money. It's not that exciting unless you're doing this thing that is so illegal, so dangerous.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I'm not kidding. I was. I mean, I shouldn't admit this, but I'm sure the statute of limitations are gone. I was just going 128 miles an hour for five minutes on Canaan because.

[Matt Farah]

I ran an eight second quarter mile in Malibu. Yeah, I did three times in a row and nobody noticed.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, I did an 8 second quarter mile once and was like, this is stupid.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And the video guy was like, if you do it again, I don't know if I can be in the car. I was like. I was like, I don't know if I could be in the car or should do it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's why the third one. Go.

[Johnny Lieberman]

All right.

[Matt Farah]

Vomit after.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But more whiskey.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. Yeah, but I. I want to try this mystic thing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's cool.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, it's a three small one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Optics kind of dope. That's kind of.

[Matt Farah]

That's the one I really want to try.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You should. So the optic. What's cool about is the dude blanking on his name. Such a nice guy and I feel. I'm so sorry. If you're listening, Mr. He rode around with me and Emmy hall on the launch. He really tried to make it sporty. He really like, you know, he built it to a budget. There will be an Optic V that will actually get Magna ride shot. Vopstick, the Voptic. But like, it's really fun. It's a little. As little as EVs will ever get. You know what I mean? Like EVs just for a lot of reasons.

[Matt Farah]

It's the size of a Model Y or whatever.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Whatever. It's a Model Y size. Yeah. And it.

[Matt Farah]

That one's. This one's not bad.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's better looking.

[Matt Farah]

I kind of like this one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Not sure what's happening at that. That behind the C pillar.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This. The. The Vista has a. Just Cadillac's thing. It's all right, but very good looking. Also, you're a music fan and I'm gonna say this and everyone's gonna call me horrible, but I hate Elton John. I've never liked his music. Can't stand it. But this has the first real physical implementation of Dolby Atmos. All Cadillacs will get it. Mercedes offers Atmos. I think my Rivian has Atmos.

[Zach]

Lotus Electric.

[Matt Farah]

I just.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Say physical. It means that they worked with Dolby and they put the speakers where Dolby told them the speakers need to go to fully experience atmos. And the guy played me Rocket man, the Atmos remix. And I do not like Elton John. I agree with the bad guy in the rock when he goes, you ever heard Rocky Man? Mountain John? He goes, I hate weak ass, but.

[Matt Farah]

Blew my mind off that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That.

[Matt Farah]

Don't you come at me in a Michael Bay line.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay, but. But that.

[Matt Farah]

It blew my mind.

[Zach]

Teenager. I hate my father syndrome going on here.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The. The implementation of Atmos in this look.

[Matt Farah]

I love a great stereo.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Like they. They had to like. Here's the thing. The grab handle. They had to fuck up the grab handle on the Optic to put the speaker there. So the grab handle's in the dumbest place possible.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, on the A pillar.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Zach]

It's horrible, but it's like the Bronco.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yes, but they did it for A reason is that there's to put a speaker. This is where Dolby said you have to put the speaker. All right. And it's so good. The Vistick doesn't have yet. All Cadillacs will get it for 26 model year. They'll get the new speaker implementations.

[Matt Farah]

You should get one to try.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You should get the Vistic. But what you really do is get the Escalade iq because that is the dopest of all, all cars, I'm telling you.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I don't care that much.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You would. Matt, remember, remember many years ago you said, what car should my dad get?

[Matt Farah]

He got an Escalade. It was the biggest piece of you've ever seen.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

It was. Remember we had a. We had a long conversation about insanely problematic.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Remember we had a long conversation about what car should Papa Farah get?

[Matt Farah]

Yes, it's the.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's the. It's the Escalade iq.

[Matt Farah]

If you, you sell that car to him, you are the best salesman.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I will sell it all. I will sell it.

[Matt Farah]

Experiment number two. This is the same whiskey aged on different floors of a Kentucky warehouse.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Does it say floors?

[Matt Farah]

Huh? This. This is the ground floor. Okay, we're on the floor.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So I'm gonna make a prediction without tasting it. Ground floor doesn't get very hot. Top floor gets very, very hot. So in Kentucky, you know, when it gets really, really hot, you get a lot of like the whiskey moving in and out of the wood. You know what I mean?

[Matt Farah]

So ground floor sucks more water evaporate.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Too, all that, but also just more. It's. It literally goes into the wood. So it's just more.

[Zach]

More contact, expands and.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, just. Just the heat loose.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Over. Over the sponge. Yeah. And just the more heat there is, the more extraction. And as it gets cold, it gets forced out of the wood. Cool. So the, the. The honey spot, the honey hole or the honey pot as they call it. Sometimes it's rarely ever on the ground floor. It's usually like there's a certain spot in the distillery tends to be towards the roof where like the best whiskey comes from. So again, literally the same barrels cut from the same tree. You put one on the fifth. On the bottom floor. You put one five stories up or. Or eight stories up. Depends on the Rick house. Radically different just because of the temperature fluctuate. Heat rises all that's awesome. Closer to the sun.

[Matt Farah]

Do. Do larger commercial distilleries, climate control the place to make it more consistent.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Honestly, like beam is probably like the largest. They don't at all in fact. In fact most Rick houses are kind of open to the elements. Like they're not really sealed and like they like you couldn't drop something straight into it. But if they have like slats that are offset like that, they want it open. Open Michters who's a relatively small super climate controlled but they raise and lower the temperature manually. Oh. And so they're like. Yeah. I hate claims like this but like what we can do in 10 years takes another distillery 20 years. But it's just, it's very controlled. They're very scientific. Like, like Mictters is the guys wear lab coats. It's wild. It's nothing like bourbon. It's nothing like you want to go to Kentucky and like, you know, you want to see like a dude sitting in. You want to see the cracker barrel logo.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But you go to Mictters and it's like it's scientists like being geeks because.

[Zach]

They'Re trying to recreate the elements of nature, the effects.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't know what they're trying. They just do it their way. You know what I mean? It's not, it's not even that. It's just like like before I went to Michter's I would always say 90% of the flavor in bourbon is from the wood. And I went to Michter's and I'm like 40% of the flavor is from the wood because they actually handed me white dog which is you know, unaged bourbon that tasted like bourbon. But it was, it was made in their method. How interesting. Yeah. So it's like you should totally.

[Matt Farah]

And it's like normally white dog is so gnarly. I can't taste anything but fire literally tastes like.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It tasted like bourbon without vanilla.

[Matt Farah]

It was wild.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. But they have their methods and they filter and they do all this stuff. Huh.

[Matt Farah]

So this tastes very cinnamony to me. Lots of cinnamon.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, this is fireball.

[Matt Farah]

Kind of.

[Zach]

This is fancy fireball.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay. So this is. Is my prediction is we're gonna like the, the roof one. This is.

[Matt Farah]

You think this is setting us up for the other one which is actually good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This is not good in any way, shape or form.

[Zach]

It tastes very like rubbery.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This tastes like cleaning solution.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you really, you really need to like, you know, rinse.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I gotta clean my lens.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you gotta rinse out your glasses. That's all.

[Zach]

Finish is not good.

[Matt Farah]

That is a cinnamon stick.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But also like woo.

[Zach]

You know there's like higher alcohols.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, very, very. Exactly. Yes.

[Matt Farah]

This one was a Cruel trick.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Andrew, you jerk. That one second sip was not ground floor. That was sucks.

[Zach]

That was not pine salt from the ground floor.

[Matt Farah]

All right, well, let's see what's happening on the fifth floor.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And this is still a six year exact.

[Matt Farah]

Do you not hear? You want an empty bottle. You want to get too late.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But this, this. So this is. This is a six year whiskey. That's now four year old bourbon. Okay. And also four year. Four year bourbon tend to be a.

[Matt Farah]

Little rough like that too. Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, well, let's. Hey, Andrew, next time. Six year different floors.

[Matt Farah]

Let's see him on fifth floor is any kinder?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, it did smell good. Just tasted.

[Matt Farah]

Smelled. It smelled like a cinnamon stick. And then it tasted like cinnamon stick syrup with floor cleaner.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I mean, it smells better. All right.

[Matt Farah]

Much better.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Mm. Mm. It's way better. It's still harsh, but you get. You get a candy and you're getting. You're getting the vanilla.

[Zach]

You gotta pull that on your tongue. Johnny. Get a callus on there.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, but you're getting.

[Zach]

I thought you like the harsh stuff. Like you bring the strong barrel over.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I like. I like delicious. That was gross. That was pine solent. It was like. It was like. It was like.

[Zach]

Wait, this one's harsh. The new one.

[Matt Farah]

I see what you mean.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This one's harsh. This is like that harsh. But like, you add vanilla and caramel to it, right? And you get the caramel from the char of the wood and you get the vanilla.

[Matt Farah]

It's better, but only just. But see what happens.

[Johnny Lieberman]

By the way, number of good 4 year old bourbons I've had in my life is about three. Three.

[Matt Farah]

I just added like just a couple milliliters of water. We'll see if it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This is.

[Zach]

This is why I drink gin.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It does not.

[Matt Farah]

It does not make it better. No, no, it does not make it better.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This is. This is an irredeemable barrel. Yeah, this is beyond redemption.

[Matt Farah]

All right, we have one more. We'll wait a few minutes.

[Zach]

Give me your empty thing here.

[Matt Farah]

This is the spittoon.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, if you need a spittoon. So I'm looking on my list here. Helicopter.

[Matt Farah]

Wait. Yeah, all right. Why not Helicopter. He wrote down helicopter. What does that mean?

[Johnny Lieberman]

October 11th is big. Big reopening.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I'll be. I'm. I'm emceeing the cars and coffee.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I officially got involved. Invited. Oh. But they also invited Spike and Mr. Zuckerman. And Zuckerman, of course, said these were their demands. Well, no, literally. Zuckerman said no. And they said, what if we helicoptered you? Sam said this.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And they said, oh, fine. And, and then Spike's like, you're on the helicopter. And I'm like, I don't really want to be on the helicopter. I kind of want to drive. But Maz was like, you should go on the helicopter and just have your car ship there. Sure, I suppose if that's, that's, that's.

[Matt Farah]

The thing you could do. Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, so I'll be there with. With those two nothing goods.

[Matt Farah]

October 11th. If you're in LA or San Diego or driving distance of either, please come, come hang out with us at Willow Springs. We're gonna be doing a live show. There will be a Cars and coffee with. With that is actually, it's cars. It's a Cars and coffee concourse, I suppose. Because it's actually gonna be judged.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, really?

[Matt Farah]

With some prizes. We're gonna have some prizes that are pretty cool. There's gonna be some motorsport exhibition. Meaning, like, they have some, they're pulling out some really cool vintage historic race cars. They're gonna be running some Singer like Turbo dlss. There's gonna be some exhibition racing. It's gonna be fun.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So, yeah, Miles is saying that I could drive, which is cool.

[Matt Farah]

Something. Oh, something on track.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, something.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, for sure.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And so I think I want to get. Cause I think I'm like, what's the most anti Singer thing possible and not a gun therapy. Too obvious.

[Matt Farah]

That would just be mean.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. I'm gonna try and get like a ZR1.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Yeah, they're cool.

[Matt Farah]

That would be fun.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Be super cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's the opposite, you know, It's a mass market. It's, it's, yeah, it's too cheap. And the interior's not Singer.

[Matt Farah]

Did you go on the launch? No, I'm driving one in two weeks for performance car of the year.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, cool.

[Matt Farah]

I'm pretty excited.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, I, I, I had a long talk with Chevy. I'm like, remember when, like every. No one liked a Camaro and I liked a Camaro. Like, you guys should give me cars again.

[Matt Farah]

Like, I, I don't know if they're sending us the X or the regular.

[Johnny Lieberman]

One, but they need, they need, they need to sit, sit down and they need someone to say, 01 good 01x fax machine. That's a terrible name. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. No, the name is not.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's what I'm saying.

[Matt Farah]

Great.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Name is just so like, come on, Zoro was cool. Why not Zora? But also like, they need to get over like, like I have all these people like asking me questions like dude, should I get the LT1 or the LT2? I'm like, those names turn me off.

[Matt Farah]

GM has like a half a century of awful names.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But like it's weird because like 01 good. L88 good. 01x terrible.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know, I, I, dude, you know what? For their, all their faults, Dodge can name a car. Name a car. Yeah, that they are a faulty company selling silly products. But man, can they come up good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Ass name and stuff, you know. Hellcat, Red Eye. Like it's great, it's great that sell.

[Matt Farah]

That you know how to sell a car. I want.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's why I drove that McKellar's thing, which is really, really good.

[Matt Farah]

The what?

[Johnny Lieberman]

McKellos.

[Matt Farah]

What is a.

[Zach]

Driven one of their cars before.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Years ago.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Like an RSR replica. That thing, that green thing. That's a Michelos. It's a Porsche, it's a 72 911. This company in Escondido down in San Diego, they are excellent at what they do. The problem is it's called McKellos. I, I drove the, they made a blue. They literally made a roof. Yellowbird. They got a roof gearbox. They got a Yellowbird gearbox and The Yellowbird made 469 horsepower. Their car made 470. It was awesome. But I couldn't remember the name of the company. I'm always like, I drove this thing. I don't know. So funny.

[Matt Farah]

This is a 72st.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. So instead of a 3.2, it's punched out to 3.5. It's fucking great. It's just like.

[Matt Farah]

Is it a back date based on a Jeep body?

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, it's a 72. It's a 72. Should have taken a picture from the other side. It like instead of the oil flap. Yeah, they, they, because they put s, they put wider ST fender flares on it. So they got rid of the flap and they just have a, it has, it has like the kind of see in this photo, but it has the, you know, the Singer style center fuel. So they did a miniature version of that for the oil. It says. Oh yeah, says oil in German on.

[Matt Farah]

That's cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, it's cool. They shouldn't have called it the st. They got to change the name. It's just, it's just, it's evocative of nothing. Like McKellar, like what it sounds, I.

[Matt Farah]

Don'T know, I'm not sure. The name doesn't mean Anything but it's a lovely like clean looking car. So good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Like I was talking to Glucker. Glucker drove. I was talking to Glucker at your party last night. Like we just love this car. Is every air cooled itch I ever had. This car would scratch. Sadly it's. It's 450 because that's what cars cost these days.

[Matt Farah]

Well, it's, it looks, I mean just to look at it here. Looks light and simple.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Check out the interior. Like it's woven awesomeness.

[Matt Farah]

The seats look too. As long as they fit in the ship.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You would fit. You would fit.

[Matt Farah]

I hate these force folk steering wheels. I am not.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh really?

[Matt Farah]

I am not about that. Four spoke life.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Zach]

They remind me of Disneyland. Like you know, kids car ride racer.

[Matt Farah]

That's a rad racer steering wheel.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I didn't think about it but I was like, I was talking.

[Matt Farah]

That's an easy thing to change. I mean you can, you know, that's, that's easy.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They'll do anything you want.

[Matt Farah]

Of course they will. I just, I happen to hate these forced.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But it's like good. It's like, it's like a 9963 intake plenum.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

There's all kinds of cool stuff in the motor. But I was like change the name of the company to Mulholland. Is it.

[Matt Farah]

It's, it's based on a.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's based on nothing.

[Matt Farah]

Based on like a. No, no, the engine.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Is it.

[Matt Farah]

Is it a993?

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's a3 2. So it's a.

[Matt Farah]

So it's a Carrera engine.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, it's a career three two punched out to three five. But it's like, it's like again it's, it's like it has a 996 intake plenum. A GT3 intake plenum. It has like 993 Turbo. This fuck. Oh it's great. Oh it's such a great car. And I had Magnus drive it and so he drove it from his warehouse to the Shell station. He's like, ah mate, it's nothing Baba. You know, I've driven a million cars like this. Nothing special about it at all. I was like, yeah, I like driving it around town. But I hear what you're saying. We went up on the crest and he's just ripping back and forth and despite what anyone might think, Magnus can drive.

[Matt Farah]

Love it. Like, yeah, he's fast.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, he is fast. He comes, he's like, oh mate, it's a lot better Speed, isn't it? You know, I was like, yeah, it really is. Like, it's, it's. And it's big fat sidewalls, you know, like the ride quality is awesome and it's, it's just a great car. You should totally put your hand up and be like Michelis. Let me make a video with this car. It's great.

[Matt Farah]

We. So the problem is with. For making a videos with this or.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Just review it driving around for Instagram, whatever.

[Matt Farah]

They really. The nuances of one Porsche to another never really come through. Right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's awesome because I, I have four custom Porsches in a row. Video.

[Zach]

30 A few years ago, this thing which was fun.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The name is Terry.

[Matt Farah]

You drove that straight? Zach drove it. I didn't drive it.

[Zach]

The black car was on it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was quick. Was it cool?

[Zach]

It was cool and quick. And I drove there. They had like an rsr27 replica thing I drove. It was like an art car car and it was done pretty well. Now I would. I will admit I did a video of that when I drove it. It was like the first air cooled Porsche I ever drove. So people are experts and they have problems with that car. Don't come at me, bro. But this thing was my introduction to the 930. Had modern tires. It was like 400ish horsepower. And it was a really fun time. Felt as precise as any old Porsche does. And I think they do pretty high quality work. Especially their bodywork stuff. They do metal fender.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They gotta come up with an identity because it's not, it's not enough like McKellar's is. It's just a bad name. And the guy Max, I forget his last name. It's not Michellos. I don't know why. It's.

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah, really? That's a name that was made up.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't know. I don't know. But like bro, I said Mulholland. Just be Mulholland. It's an M. And like it's evocative. It means something to portrait people.

[Matt Farah]

You gotta figure that one out.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, but like they do such, such good work. Like I've driven two of them now and I love them both, but I can't remember. Michaelos. I don't know how to spell it. It sounds like a diner.

[Zach]

It was started by someone named Tom Mule.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, Mark and Mark Strack.

[Zach]

I mean, yeah. No one there is named.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Why Michaela's? It's not good.

[Matt Farah]

It does sound like I'm gonna order a gyro, however.

[Zach]

But Wasn't it? Like there's a lot of names that are famous now because it was a combination of like three engineers.

[Matt Farah]

Mictors.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But Mckelzie ain't it it ain't it. You don't. But like, like Gunther Works is totally made up and contrived and silly. But it works. It's smart.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It's sounded a little silly in the beginning and I said it. Started saying it a few times and now I sort of take it for.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay, it's a thing. Yeah. They had to come up with this story. Do you know the Gunther story that like. Yeah, yeah, okay. Like they had to come up with something, you know. And, and so it works.

[Matt Farah]

So they came up with something German.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Well, but it was. There was a guy named Gunther. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like. Okay, that.

[Matt Farah]

But like, like there ain't nobody at Gunther working at Gunther Works.

[Johnny Lieberman]

There's no one German there.

[Matt Farah]

Could.

[Johnny Lieberman]

There couldn't be a less German company as far as I know. It's like Middle Eastern, Scottish and Chinese.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But it works a good cross section of Southern California, you know, they're in San Diego.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You call the cars Mulholland.

[Matt Farah]

I feel bad. I don't want to spend too much time crapping on their name. I hope they build nice cars.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They build seriously great cars.

[Matt Farah]

Name's an easier thing to change than building shitty cars.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Don't call it the St. Call it something. It's make.

[Matt Farah]

You know, look at the. I mean look at their website. Their website's. That's a geocities. Oh, it's not.

[Zach]

No, that. That's Flat six.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This is flat.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, sorry.

[Zach]

Their website looks like this.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that. That's the website I'm talking about. Oh, that's a. That's. That is.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's. I think that's the car I drove. That's the yellow Bird. The Bluebird.

[Matt Farah]

That one. That one looks. Looks pretty stancy.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Looks good.

[Matt Farah]

Duck tail.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You would love this.

[Matt Farah]

It's got like a 934front bumper on it. You would love this car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It was. But it was one of those things. I drove it, I wrote about it. I said how much I loved it. I couldn't remember what it was called. That's a problem.

[Zach]

You had one job. Well, you have two jobs.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Talk about the car.

[Matt Farah]

Easy thing to fix. But we do have a problem.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. So good stuff. Good stuff.

[Matt Farah]

That is geocities ass website.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Should we try experiment three?

[Johnny Lieberman]

I think so at this point.

[Matt Farah]

Yes. Experiment three is. This will be interesting. Okay.

[Zach]

This looks like the piss of someone who has a kidney issue.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, boy. Experiment three for people watching.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Well said.

[Matt Farah]

Listening rather is same two years aged.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's a two year.

[Matt Farah]

It says two years.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's not even legally bourbon. That's just an American whiskey, which is going to be gross, but go ahead.

[Matt Farah]

A tiny little bit.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Just a tiny, tiny. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Kentucky versus Scotland.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, do you want to. I would love like an eight year Kentucky versus Scotland.

[Matt Farah]

Well, this is what we have. So.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So what does that mean though?

[Matt Farah]

Climate effects. The same whiskey aged in identical barrels matured in different parts of the world.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Why do you.

[Zach]

It's also hard to understand both.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know, but I assume he sent something where we would actually be able to taste the difference.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

So we're going to start with Scotland.

[Johnny Lieberman]

What's the guy's name? Andrew.

[Matt Farah]

Andrew.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Andrew. Do it again with an eight year.

[Zach]

That's the more he can't strip it out.

[Matt Farah]

Two years doing a small. It's a small little two year.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Like, Like. All right. I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

I think we did director of whiskey research.

[Johnny Lieberman]

What Pretty.

[Zach]

It's cool though.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Actually it doesn't smell bad at all. Doesn't smell bad.

[Zach]

I don't need extra.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I know. Just.

[Matt Farah]

You seem like you didn't have enough problem.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I could use a little more.

[Zach]

I didn't drink last.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I will.

[Matt Farah]

I will tell you this.

[Johnny Lieberman]

When you're tasting something, if you have like too little, it kind of evaporates on your lips. You don't get to like swallow it.

[Zach]

I think you need two sips. Like that's. You need at least that one sip.

[Johnny Lieberman]

All right. So this is. Scotland actually smells nice. Smells like scotch. You get like that canned vegetable smell, you know, green beans in it. Yeah. All scotch to me always has like canned vegetables.

[Zach]

That's the most talking.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But that's why I don't like scotch.

[Matt Farah]

This doesn't taste that bad. It's got a little more Pete in it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's. It's.

[Matt Farah]

It does, actually.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Well, I don't think it has Pete.

[Matt Farah]

In it, but Pete, it does taste Scotch. No, not to you guys.

[Johnny Lieberman]

If I ordered this, it's hard. I would drink this and never think about it again as long as I live.

[Zach]

The second half is not great.

[Matt Farah]

No, it's not. It's not like, good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But like, compared to what we've been drinking, it tastes more like scotch than it does taste like bourbon.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So.

[Zach]

Second half tastes like burnt marshmallow though.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So.

[Zach]

So remember on the first half though, it was Scotch ish and then the turn or like the river. It's like very.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

No, like we're not rating this for bourbon spectators. It's just like. Does taste more like.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So what I believe is happening here is we have a. A what may one day be a bourbon. Can't be a bourbon because it's only two years old. So it's corn based. Which was sent to Scotland to age. So it means there's no heat, there's no nothing. I think it went to boarding school.

[Matt Farah]

And also I got kicked out of its.

[Zach]

I'm sending you to military school.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I would also guess though, I would also guess this was put in new barrels in America and sent to Scotland to age.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Scotch is only made mostly over 90% is made in used bourbon barrels. So they've been cycled once. So the vanilla, the sweet you're picking up, you never get that out of a scotch.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, so you suspect that this experiment had an American barrel sent to Scotland.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They filled it up in America and they sent it to Scotland to aid vital goes east. So it's a virgin oak barrel.

[Zach]

I like this game. I want Andrew to respond truthfully because it'd be cool if you.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I'm almost positive. But yeah, it's, it's.

[Zach]

It's kind of gross cuz isn't it like with. With wine, like French oak adds a lot of the vanilla flavor. Not American oak. They have different taste profiles.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Also the French just. They don't like Stepford wives love butter bomb Chardonnay. I don't know what else to tell you. There's no. Because you get a French Chardonnay is delicious.

[Matt Farah]

They can't treat themselves to can candy and desserts and stuff all the time. They're always on a diet. They're getting it from the shark.

[Zach]

I'll tell you off air how true that is.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But like, you know, champagne, like really good champagne, all French champagne is mostly Chardonnay grapes. You know what I mean? It's like the grapes are delicious. Yeah. Like the best thing I've ever put in my mouth ever. Krug88. Give her a chance. Oh, dude. I was with Kobo and Cobalt's was rolling and he bought a bottle of Krug 88. Which.

[Matt Farah]

What's so. Okay, well here, big question. We're now.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I'm with Zach.

[Matt Farah]

88 is now like that's old old. Like that's now a long time ago. Is that beyond drinkable? It's not.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I was at a dinner because I.

[Matt Farah]

Tried a Dom 88 that was turned oh, why?

[Zach]

Windows turned.

[Matt Farah]

Even though it had been kept, it could have.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I just had. A very kind friend of mine sent me a bottle of 1980 Dom Perignon because my wife was born in 1980 for her birthday. And God damn, that was good.

[Matt Farah]

Really? Okay, maybe this is just this bottle.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. It depends how it's stored. A lot of it.

[Matt Farah]

But, like, my parents can't be trusted to do the right thing when it comes to wine.

[Zach]

It's stored vertically. It's game over. With white wine, it's like a year.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You do well, you wanted.

[Matt Farah]

It wouldn't have been stored vertically. But, like, look, you. Zach, you know, my parents, they don't drink. They don't drink, and they couldn't.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They could use.

[Matt Farah]

They can't be trusted to.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Take the perfect care of something.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We put the wine outside for the summer.

[Matt Farah]

But they're not hopeless. But they. Whatever extra care that bottle would have needed, they wouldn't have done.

[Zach]

But, like, I looked it up. Champagne is very high in acid, and that protects it over a long period of time versus if you try to store, like, Sav Blanc or Chardonnay or something like that for a long time, even on its side, it's probably more likely to go badge.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. I mean, so. So, you know, the preservative in wine, there really isn't any, except for the alcohol. So white wines tend to be lower alcohol than red wines, so they just don't age as well. And, you know, like, beer that's heavily hopped can age a long time. Budweiser cannot age. Budweiser's over 30 days old. It just turns in the can.

[Zach]

One day old is bad.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Fresh Budweiser tastes like green jelly Ranchers. Pretty good. Very good chance. Yeah. I want.

[Zach]

I want to go to.

[Matt Farah]

How fresh do I. Does it have to be to get that? You're talking about real fresh or you talking about going to the brewery?

[Johnny Lieberman]

If you can figure out, like, they. They can it, and they. They. They send it to the liquor store across the street like you. It's called acetyl aldehyde. It's just a flavor component that the yeast kicks off and you get, you know, just. You get a fresh Budweiser. It's pretty. Pretty tasty.

[Matt Farah]

I couldn't tell you the last time. I must have been college.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Where I drank an actual raw dog. Budweiser.

[Johnny Lieberman]

There was a moment.

[Matt Farah]

Not. This is not. Because I'm a beer snob. I'm not a beer.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Why would you buy. Yeah, why would you buy?

[Matt Farah]

Why? Yeah, why Would I ever buy a Budweiser? I don't know.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I, I almost had a beer show at one point in my life. And one of the segments, one of the segments I wanted to do was I wanted to get the physical ingredients of like. All right, so you know, they make Budweiser in like gabillion gallon batches. But like, okay, here's what is actually in a can of beer. Here's the amount of grain and Budweiser is also like, it's like, it's like 66% grain, 33% rice or something like that. Here's the amount of hops. And then get like Budweiser next to Stella, next to Coors next to. And it would literally, you'd be like, oh my God, they're all exactly the same. There's no difference in ingredients at all between like mainstream fizzy lagers. It's like literally they hop em just to the point of human perception of hops. So if you could taste the bitterness, they go down one level because the hops are just a cheap preservative.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And they're all, all of sorts same. Budweiser uses rice and I think, I think 100% of the rice crop of Mississippi is used by Budweiser and Coors and, and Miller use corn as an adjunct. And, and everyone else uses corn. So yeah. And then Japanese beers use rice as an adjunct. All right. For loggers. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Japanese beer I'm into.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Do Love me can be good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Do Love Me Sapporo, they use rice.

[Matt Farah]

Do Love Me a Kieran.

[Johnny Lieberman]

If I were to show you Kieran.

[Matt Farah]

Light I like a lot.

[Johnny Lieberman]

If I were to show you a p. Karen ingredients and a pile of Budweiser, you'd be like, wow, it's the same thing.

[Matt Farah]

Probably the same thing. They're probably the same thing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I am easily influenced by labels.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Let's do the two year Kentucky and taste.

[Matt Farah]

All right, let's see. Because the last one, honestly, the second sip, the second half of the second sip was very bad.

[Zach]

I think we should have gone from two years to six years.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But yeah, we did this backwards.

[Matt Farah]

But now it's two years to six years.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's.

[Matt Farah]

It's Scotland.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, he's saying, he's saying we should have started with the two year Scotland, Kentucky worked our way up to the six years. I did it.

[Matt Farah]

He sent me 1, 2, 3 and I did it in the order it was provided.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This guy's.

[Matt Farah]

I had no, I had, I had no agency here, dude. I can't not follow the Instructions.

[Zach]

Life is predetermined that far.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But so. So again, what's the difference? It gets real hot in Kentucky, and they probably get about the same cold because it does snow in Kentucky and get real bitterly cold. Cold in Scotland, you know, it's not icy, but it gets cold. Seems like a different color, but it gets real.

[Matt Farah]

Does it seem like a different color?

[Johnny Lieberman]

It seems darker. Seems darker, yeah, because it'll have more contact going in and out, I would guess.

[Zach]

Smells far more woody, and I know that's not a great descriptor.

[Matt Farah]

Whoa. Way different.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It smells far more gross.

[Matt Farah]

It doesn't smell good. It smells like a lot different, though.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It smells like medicine.

[Matt Farah]

Kind of cough syrup.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Take this. You have a cough. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Cough syrup.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Syrupy bourbon.

[Zach]

Smell like.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I'm gonna try syrup.

[Zach]

The best ones just smell like that. They don't taste like it, but from there, it's all downhill.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, that's not good. This smells. This tastes like frenette branca.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, God. It's.

[Matt Farah]

It's not good.

[Zach]

Can't do this.

[Matt Farah]

It's not good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No. All right, Abort. Lousy.

[Matt Farah]

Nevertheless, man, what did we learn? Char for six year old.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, that. That was good.

[Matt Farah]

This guy. This right here.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Here. Mr. Andrew, if you're listening, here's what we're gonna do. Send me a DM and tell me what distillery that came from.

[Matt Farah]

This is the bottle. Pour out. We're gonna. We're gonna celebrate that we've completed the experiment by finishing the second half of. The only thing in here that actually really tasted great.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, it was really, really good.

[Matt Farah]

Does that work for you, Zach?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, Yeah, I sort of.

[Matt Farah]

I do appreciate. I mean, look, they. We were able to taste differences from these experiments.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Dude. One of. One of the wildest, most just amazing moments of my life was I did this crazy video with. With. With Bentley and went to the Bentley distillery, and I got to hang out with the. The ma.

[Matt Farah]

The.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The. The master distiller at McAllen. And it was just so enlightening, because what they do, what this guy does, and now it's a woman. But every day is. Is they get like a hundred or hundreds of samples of just barrels, right? And what they do there is they water them down to 20% alcohol.

[Matt Farah]

So they're.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know, barrel strength is probably 53% with scotch, and they water them down to 20% because they never, ever, ever taste. That's a. So with bourbon, you taste. With. With scotch, you smell and interesting. And they smell. And so they're like Macallan 10 year year, there's 20. 20 different barrels make up a bottling of Macallan tenure. And you need to have four that smell like grass, and you need to have four that smell like wheat or whatever. And they just smell all day. And then if something is like, oh, that's good, like, put that one back and maybe it can be part of a 12 year.

[Matt Farah]

Wow.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, it sucks. That becomes famous grouse and like, oh, that's exceptional. That, that we might put into like the 20 year program.

[Matt Farah]

And it's just all the same. Just based on vibes. Smell.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. And so like 25% of human super tasters just have a better sense of smell and taste than other people. They find these in Scotland. They find you in high school, you know, and they say, hey, you want, you want to maybe do this? Like, you can start sweeping up at the distillery and like, maybe one day you'll become the master distiller.

[Zach]

How did they find. Do they have a restaurant out in the mountains? And they like, you know, they, they cook burgers and then someone who wanders over, they're like, you find this. They literally the one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Because it's such a part of the economy, they literally administer like, you know, you took the sat. They take a taste test in Scotland.

[Matt Farah]

It's the, it's the, the nsat. It's the nasal. The nasal skills aptitude test. But it was, it was so wild because I got.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I got to sit there and smell like all these different things.

[Zach]

And why do they smell but Kentucky tastes. Is that alcoholism?

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's alcoholism, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

We don't waste it down here.

[Zach]

We're underpaid in this country. He's like, I'm gonna drink it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know, you know what it is? Yeah, it's just, it's just culturally different, but also, also like, you know, like, if you go to McAllen, they make a McAllen 10, 12, 15. Now they make like a 17, 18. There's a 21, there's a 25, and there's a 30. And like, if you go to like, you know, michters, they make like a couple different things, but really, like, there's not that much. This, you know, this is not much to do as much. And so they, they're just like, they don't want them drinking. I don't know. It works the same. You get the same end result.

[Zach]

I wonder if they realized genuinely, like, you know, your olfactory, like your, your nose glands, they can reset. But if you're sipping, does your palate re. Truly reset? Do you slowly get A little bit drunk.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Does it have cause a little bit drunk.

[Matt Farah]

You get drunk and it's got to linger a little longer too.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. That said though, I've. I've picked barrels with master distillers at, you know, Kentucky Distilleries and like it's way more fun to taste smelling 20% alcohol mixes.

[Matt Farah]

Like who the gets into the booze business to not get a little shitty at.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Now hang on, now hang on. Let me, let me back this up and also say that we, we. We went to. So there's. If you look at a bottle of Macallan, there's a house on it, the Easter Elkies house. And we walked in, they go, they go, your country was founded in 1776. This house was built in 1700. Just ah.

[Matt Farah]

They like to tell us that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And then we sit down, we know that about ourselves.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And then it's not over there, it's not White Dog. It's. It's called something else. Or maybe it's here it's White Lightning and over there it's White Dog. Anyhow, they had.

[Zach]

That makes more sense.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But then they had 15, 15, 18, 21, 25 year old Macallan with dinner. So we're drinking that and then we retire up to the study and the.

[Matt Farah]

Women will go, oh, there was no women.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Trust me. This is, this is cars and whiskey. There's no women anywhere.

[Zach]

None of us have had sex for years and. And bored. That's why we got all these whiskey.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So this. I'm blanking on his name. God damn it. It was his job title.

[Zach]

I'd give anything to smell panties again. That's Irish. I don't know what I'm doing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Y. This guy's job title was Master of malts from Macallan. That was his job title. And he goes, yeah, open the cabinet, any two bottles. You see, we'll drink those. I open up, there's two 30 year old bottles. Fino and select those. And I was like, these. He's like, oh, dude, you know, hammered.

[Zach]

Like a lot of disposable income with.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No relationship, saying, I spent the night there. I spent the night at the Easter Zel. You know, it wasn't.

[Matt Farah]

You had. What he's trying to say is he passed out on the floor.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

[Matt Farah]

He was curled up with the golden retriever.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Finish. Allow me to finish.

[Zach]

Just Johnny and the sheep.

[Matt Farah]

There's 30. I don't know why they're Irish. All of a sudden the rest of.

[Johnny Lieberman]

My crew bitches out, goes to bed. We're all sleeping in the house. So it's me and this guy. So he goes, so, Johnny, have I convinced you, is McCallum not the most aristocratic beverage you can drink? And I said, yeah, I'm blanking on his name. Such a nice guy. I go, that's good. I. I gotta tell you, I'm, you know, I'm more of a bourbon guy, but I still like Highland Park. I love Highland Park.

[Zach]

I've always liked Chicago.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And he goes, he goes, me too. He goes, you could never, never, ever tell this deep secret, but McCallum bought Highland Park. There's a whiskey barrel with a plant on it. Pulls the plant off, opens the lid of the whiskey barrel, pulls out a 40 year bottle of Highland park, and we fucking drink. And we crawled up on our, like, elbows and knees to our rooms, like.

[Matt Farah]

So if you're ever there, pick up the plant.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Hang on. And then. And then had to get up at 6am and film.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, God. Oh, I haven't had one of those days in a very long time.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This was 13, 14 years ago.

[Zach]

What is Highland Park? I don't know anything.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Island park is just. It's an aisle. Island whiskey. It had so. So McAllen is Speyside. Very clean. No Pete whatsoever. Highland park, it's just very northern. And I think there's a little bit. It's a little bit Peter, but it's not Laphroaig or. It's not Laphroaig or anything.

[Matt Farah]

It turns my whole body into a campfire.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Once a decade, it's nice to have a glass of Laphroaig. Yeah. But Island Park's just the shiz.

[Matt Farah]

Look at this photo of this. This horse.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Just Google, Google, Google. Mini horses wearing clothing. Have you seen this?

[Zach]

I've seen many horses on airplanes, which.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Is also Scotland because tourism's down. They're dressing up their mini horses and clothes, trying to get people to come to Scotland.

[Matt Farah]

Do what you got to do.

[Zach]

Look, the Instagram.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, look.

[Zach]

Oh, my God.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The power of the rabbi.

[Zach]

The power of a young lady who sees a cute animal and her ability to buy a plane ticket.

[Matt Farah]

Scotland rules.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Remember? We were gonna go to Scotland.

[Matt Farah]

We.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We had the best.

[Matt Farah]

Fell apart. We had the best plan.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We were.

[Matt Farah]

We were gonna drive the. We were the only two people, whatever, they got invited to drive that evoluto thing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

355.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You can remember names of things.

[Matt Farah]

And we were gonna.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Because they're all new and they, they invited us to Scotland to drive.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It was in June.

[Matt Farah]

June.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Now it's August.

[Zach]

They've invited us three times.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I hope we get to do it. But we were also gonna go shoot skeet at the Jackie Stewart sporting place.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But much more importantly, we're gonna drink.

[Matt Farah]

A lot, a lot of whiskey at the. At the bet at the finest whiskey room in Scotland. I cannot wait to get back to. Zach is deep in the Zach's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I was told to look up that guy 160D there. 1680D. Look at this guy.

[Zach]

That horse looks terrified.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The horse has been doing cocaine, lads.

[Matt Farah]

Fuck me. Good news. Before we get to. We got some Patreon questions. I'm sure we do.

[Zach]

Definitely.

[Matt Farah]

Before we get to them, my Lamborghini engine is in America.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, no kidding. Back in America. It's part of America. It's a big country.

[Matt Farah]

It's the port of Long Beach.

[Zach]

Snuck through the tariffs.

[Matt Farah]

Port of Long Beach. There are no tariffs because after. After much and much back and forth, I was able to convince people that I, in fact, already owned this engine.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

That it was not a new product.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's good.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. I wish Amazon could have your power.

[Matt Farah]

It took way too long to be like, you don't understand. This is already my edge.

[Zach]

Couldn't you just say, like, look at the carburetors. And they go, oh, carburetors. That's old.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It doesn't have carburetors.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It doesn't.

[Matt Farah]

It's fuel injected.

[Zach]

Oh, I thought, okay, yeah. But.

[Matt Farah]

But either way, it's here.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's great.

[Matt Farah]

It's here.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And it's like, oh, how long?

[Matt Farah]

We don't know. We don't know. We don't know because who's getting it? It's gonna go to Damien at Franco's European Spotcars.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's the way to do it.

[Matt Farah]

But Damien has, like, two projects ahead of me. But he was kind enough to agree to receive the engine in the crate. So at least I don't have to do the double shuffle with that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Have you been there?

[Matt Farah]

It's small.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Have you seen the old guy with the shims? Yeah. You walk in, there's this old Italian dude with, like, I don't know, 260 shims on a keychain. And he's got, like, you know, quarterback, quarter mil, fifth of a mil, whatever. You could shim all the old Ferraris.

[Matt Farah]

How you set valves? Yeah. Fortunately, like, my car shouldn't need a valve adjustment for at least, like, 15 years at this point.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Better not your car. Better freaking.

[Matt Farah]

No. I saw a video on the dyno is running it Was running smooth. They didn't actually like measure the power, but they ran it on an engine dyno to like, you know, I mean.

[Johnny Lieberman]

86 is supposed to be 475 or 88.

[Zach]

So.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, 4. 470 silver to something like that.

[Matt Farah]

Mine's injected, so I think it's 445, not 475, but whatever.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, that's enough for. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So, you know, we tried to do the semi Euro conversion and they couldn't do it now. They couldn't because they were like, kind of like. I don't know what they told you, but in 88, like there's no actual difference between a Euro and a.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right. Right.

[Matt Farah]

And a US car. But the injected car cars, unless you like fully convert them to Euro, which actually means different heads and a different compression ratio. Like you just like, you can't do it. Like you can't do like just cams without this other shit. You can't do just this without that. So he's like, the best we can do is make it like the most optimized that it could possibly be perfect in what it is.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And Damien's great too. He can. He. He keeps those cars humming along just fine. I've driven a lot of his cars. They're good.

[Matt Farah]

The real question is what part will be missing. We're gonna find out that something is missing and I don't know what it is. And it's going to be a very interesting thing to find out.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I mean, the Countach V12 probably has the most parts of any engine.

[Matt Farah]

Well, the engine is complete. I mean, look, engine and gearbox are complete. So nothing in the engine is missing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But.

[Matt Farah]

But like the whole suspension is disassembled. The whole wiring is disassembled.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The whole.

[Matt Farah]

Everything is disassembled.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, the wiring, that's. That's gonna be the killer.

[Matt Farah]

We'll see.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Good luck. I wish you luck. We'll see.

[Matt Farah]

It's going to be. It's going to be an adventure.

[Johnny Lieberman]

If I may, before we get to.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, what do you got? Oh, you got your event coming.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Cars and Coffee. So me and Sang, we've been doing this Cars and Coffee quarterly. Now it's looking like at the.

[Matt Farah]

This is the third or the fourth one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Is it gonn. The third?

[Matt Farah]

Okay. I couldn't come to the second because I think I was in Italy.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It was the. Everyone was out of town. It was actually really fun. It was really nice. It was. It was. I won't name names, but it was. It was the Day of the. The. The riot in downtown la. So a lot of people are like, I don't think I can risk coming. I'm like, yeah, man. Like. And like, I was just like, I can't be. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

15 miles from the two blocks where people throwing little Waymo on fire. Which is objectively funny, even if you're a leftist.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yes, yes. Yeah, the Waymo on fire was kind of great, but we got cars and Bids came on as a sponsor, which is really. And they reached out. I didn't have to do anything. And they were like, hey, we like what you're up to. This is our kind of event. And. And what's. What I like about what we've been doing at the Helms Bakery, Cars and Coffee is that it's not like, you know, Paganis. It's not that kind of show. It's just like. It's just a good mix of everything. And, yeah, it's cars and bids, so it's like, I'm into it.

[Matt Farah]

I went to their Cars and coffee at Pebble. Yeah, I heard it was good. I couldn't Saturday morning. It was fun. Yeah, it was fun. It was a good. A good scene going on. I never met Filippo, who I really like.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay. I met Dan Hart.

[Matt Farah]

Dan is cool. Yeah, Dan the CEO. He's cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I like him.

[Matt Farah]

I like Dan. I hadn't met Flippa, who I do like Ken, and Ken is awesome. What's funny is, like, Doug was there, like, later. I. I had to, like, leave to go take Hannah to the airport. She was flying home, but Doug got there later.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But I. I mean, there.

[Matt Farah]

It was a nice event.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They were good. If they're just.

[Matt Farah]

If they're going to do the same thing that they did there, which is just basically set up the thing and help you.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's exactly right. Yeah. They just. They just want, you know, they. They look, they're. They want to compete with. Bring a trailer. Bring a trailer has been around longer.

[Matt Farah]

They're bigger.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They. They're just doing what they can. So then. And they. And they, you know, they understand what that. Helms Bakery, Cars and Coffee, it's like, pretty grassroots, but it's like the demographic that would buy cars from an auction site online.

[Matt Farah]

Are you guys also using the lot on the north side of Venice? Everything okay, so it's the lots between the buildings. Yeah, the lot in front of the big lighting store.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

On Venice and the lot across Venice Boulevard.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Two lots across Venice.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, the first, a little inside baseball. If you're not from la, but this part's important.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. So.

[Matt Farah]

So it's not immediately obvious if you.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Show the show is in the lots in the Helms Bakery complex.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

There was overflow show across the street. I never walked over there, but that was going on. There was also like four blocks down Venice, but also on Washington. Apparently there was cars parked down there.

[Matt Farah]

Really?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It was far.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. And then, you know, the second one was funny because it was like. It was again, it was. It was like June 8th, everyone's on vacation. Slash the riots were happening. Riots in quotes. But it was still really well attended. And so it's cool.

[Zach]

And most importantly, hard to get a waymo that day.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Hard to get away. But we have coffee available starting at 7:00am See, this is important. This is very important because the people.

[Matt Farah]

Who get there early, to be those people that are there early, we need to a beverage.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So. Yeah.

[Zach]

So the first time, the talent that arrives and brings.

[Matt Farah]

We just need.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Yeah. We didn't know the first time.

[Matt Farah]

Almost nobody gets this right, by the way.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The number of car shows that I've been to that are put on by professional organizations where I'm asked to show a car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And I'm happy to do it. And I go and I get there they are. When can I be there? Well, between 7 and 7:30. I'm there at 7:02.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Give me a cup of coffee.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Right. So have that.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The first time we did it, we didn't do a ton of thinking, but we said, let's go from 8 to 10. That seems like a fine amount of time for a car. And coffee. Well, everybody showed up at 7:02.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And saying he didn't know. So like, to have coffee at seven means he has to have two employees. Get there at 6:30.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And he didn't have that.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, I get it. Now we got. I get it. No, you guys are figuring it out in real time. And I'm not bitching about you.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And just saying that if you're out there.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And you're the kind of person who's going to put on events in your town, have coffee if the event starts at eight, but you have a load in for feature cars that starts at 7. Your coffee starts at 7. It doesn't start at 8.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We learned that the first time. We corrected it. It was fine. And I think we have coffee and breakfast burritos starting.

[Matt Farah]

Breakfast burritos are good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, dude.

[Matt Farah]

I mean saying, you know, the food at the food at Helms bakery is really good. I. So I sat down with Scott, who is Scott's Malibu Market, who's in the fore.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I went there for the first time.

[Matt Farah]

Yesterday, oversight of bills. And I was boycotting for a while because of. In support of Bill. And after a while I realized that like, boycotting in support of Bill does nothing for Bill. Does nothing for Bill. Nothing for me, does nothing for Scott. It does nothing for anybody, honestly.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right, Right.

[Matt Farah]

And Scott is a. Is a good guy. And especially after the fires, their whole, the whole everything up there was so fucked. So anyway, but I was asking him, I was like, all right, why is it? Because this guy's pretty good at making breakfast. I go, why, why can't we have bacon, egg and cheese? A New York style bacon, egg and cheese.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Kaiser roll.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And he said, dude, can't do a kaiser roll.

[Matt Farah]

The kaiser rolls don't exist here.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Bullshit. Let me tell you what, who has.

[Matt Farah]

A kaiser roll here?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Brent's.

[Matt Farah]

Brent's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Brent's. Where are they? That's the problem is where are they? But so if I may. If I may plug my YouTube channel, me and Sang just shot an episode where we. Let's figure out the best pastrami sandwich in la. Okay. So it was me and saying, went to Langers, went to Canners, went to Brent's, and Brent's has a sandwich called the 555, which is a kaiser roll. I think they bake the bread themselves. And Sang was really. I don't know how much time he spent with Sang, but like, I took him to Pizzeria, say, which is like number one on every list of best pizza in the world.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And he's like, what do you think? He's like, you can tell the chef has some fine dining experience. That's all he would say. He wouldn't say it was good. Wouldn't. You know? And he's eating.

[Matt Farah]

It's like me bringing Christian to a concert.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This is all the time.

[Matt Farah]

It's a brutal experience. Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So he eats the 555 and he's like, this is one of the best sandwiches I've ever eaten. I'm going to call this the 10-10-10. You know, it's. It's. I can't tell you how good this sandwich is.

[Matt Farah]

This is the pastrami.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's called the 555. So it's a kaiser roll, it's pastrami.

[Matt Farah]

But they don't make a bacon, egg and cheese there. We're just, we're just talking about the existence of the roll.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I do a bacon, egg, and cheese.

[Matt Farah]

Can you just buy the rolls?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, I think you can.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I think you can.

[Matt Farah]

Right now we're getting somewhere.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Problem with Brent's is it's in this weird Bermuda triangle in valley where somehow it's 20 minutes from any freeway.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I know what you mean.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That sucks. It's just. It's hard to get to.

[Matt Farah]

I. But I have a solution for this. My solution for this is that Thaddeus works for Marco and has to commute down here so Thaddeus can stop and pick us up the kaiser rolls if I agree to make a bacon, egg, and cheese on the other end, which I would. Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And then the other Brent has a location in Westlake.

[Matt Farah]

So if you're ever out there there for.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It takes as long to get to Westlake as it does. It's a Northridge because you're off the freeway for 20 minutes and, like, you know. But the West Lake one, I do a lot of stuff out in Malibu. It's just on this side of the hill. You know, it's literally where Decker ends is at.

[Matt Farah]

Maybe if I'm playing golf.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

All right, so kaiser roll does exist here somewhere.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Just Brent. All right. I can't explain how good Brent's is.

[Matt Farah]

Well, I'm gonna need some kaiser rolls, and when I go to get them, I'll get one of these sandwiches and we'll try it. Let's go to the people. Patreon.com the Smokingtirepodcast. It's where you ask questions for the show. It's where you watch the live stream once Zach rebuilds the studio. It's where you catch the show before.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Everyone else gets it.

[Matt Farah]

Or get the show without ads. Get extra shows, etc. Etc.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Et Etc.

[Zach]

Etc.

[Matt Farah]

Etc. Zach, can I have the questions, please? Utah presents the soaking tire.

[Zach]

Who's bouncing the bed? Who's bouncing the mattress?

[Matt Farah]

Oh, oh, this is a Mormon.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This is a Mormon.

[Zach]

If you don't move.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay. And you get your. Your roommate who's. Yeah. To bounce the bed. That's right.

[Matt Farah]

They request Johnny for more culinary content.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, I mean, like, hey, on driving with Johnny, we're gonna have me and sang and sang's a real single celebrity chef eating pastrami. And hopefully it's the first of many of food and car. I got. I got an S class to drive us. So I was like pastrami eaters. Like Mercedes s classes.

[Zach]

I do like Jewish people driving German cars.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I mean, what more do you need.

[Matt Farah]

How were you able to restrain him.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Saying yeah, joke wise, you know what was funny was. And I love saying, but like you turn the camera, you know, some people like aren't themselves. He wasn't himself.

[Matt Farah]

That's the problem with a lot of people.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He wasn't like, he wasn't like, shalom, you and I.

[Zach]

Because he has a business he wants to keep in existence.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, yeah. He wasn't, he wasn't doing like, you know, Auschwitz jokes, which is uncharacteristic. So yeah, I should actually, you know, Mr. Soaking Tire, because your name's so good. I will do a bread making video and I will put it on driving with Johnny. Baking with Johnny.

[Matt Farah]

You should. I do. I was doing the smoking fryer during.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Smoking fryer was awesome.

[Matt Farah]

It was fun. I never made videos of it. I was just. But people do like my ragu recipe.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I, I had like my only like million view video was I just did like how to make bread really during the pandemic and it was, you know, just went viral. It was crazy.

[Matt Farah]

You should make some bread and then I will make the ragu and we can have a serious Roman bread. A serious situation going. I make a cauldron of ragu. It takes the ragu five hours.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. You're like just, I don't want a bread bowl.

[Zach]

I don't do I want that much of both.

[Matt Farah]

I'm just, I want, I want it on a big fat slice of.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh ye. I can do that. I. You know Mr. Simarosti who owns Providence, who by the way got his third mission.

[Matt Farah]

I saw that. That was sick. That meal was so good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He was making a porchetta at his house one time and I just took slices of some bread I made and just put it under the slowly rolling pork as it dripped onto it. Kind of the best thing I ever had.

[Matt Farah]

Just pork fat.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Hour of pork fat dripping onto onto.

[Matt Farah]

That's like, like bone marrow bread. Yeah, that's next level.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So yes, I will do some food.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, do some more. We should do some more food content. Mike. I, I made Beni Hana for the dollop guys. I wonder if they can do anything with that. Michael Cosgrove says, would Johnny buy another new ev today?

[Johnny Lieberman]

I would buy another Rivian. I love my rivian so much. I don't even care that I lost a little bit of money on it. I, I mean it has 36000 miles and I think if I kb beat would be worth 60 grand and I paid 76 for it. So whatever.

[Matt Farah]

That's not so bad at all.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I would buy. I, here's the thing. It's so weird. Like I don't blindly like evs. I like good evs. I like evs that function as evs. You know what I mean? And like sure. And I, I just Rivian is, is just really good to own. So I would 100% buying brand new Rivian. I don't know if I can afford it today, but I would buy one today if I could.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I wouldn't. I would probably lease a new one if it was within my lease budget. And I, I, I'm. We'll see if. I mean so far my tycon experience has been like pretty good. Although I took it in for so dude, I had a, I had a bit of karma work for me the other day. I took the car in for service. There's, there's a recall on the Taycan battery something something and owners were instructed to not charge the car to 100, blah blah. Took it in, they did the thing. Fine. While you're. And I had this weird problem where when it would be really hot outside and I would try to use the remote climate control like pre cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

In other words, I'm getting in the car in five minutes.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Turn on the ac.

[Matt Farah]

Pre cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I would get an error in the app and it would say climate. It would say, you know, error not. And then when I would go to get in the car to drive it after that it would think the air conditioning was on, but it would not be blowing cold air. Oh, that's bad. So the way I called, I called Calvin actually.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's a good person.

[Matt Farah]

That's who you call.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He's the head of four door Porsches in North America.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's who you call. I privilege, I guess. But whatever. Yeah, I was, it was in the middle of Nevada. Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do. So he goes, okay, you gotta do a soft reset and that should fix it. So you basically get, turn off the car, get out, lock it, walk 100ft away for like three minutes.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And come back and it should work.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And it did. It totally did.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And that happened one other time after that I told the dealer and they couldn't reproduce it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Of course they couldn't.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

This time I go to take the car in for the battery recall service. It happens.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, nice.

[Matt Farah]

Going to the dealer. On the way to the dealer.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Perfect.

[Matt Farah]

Normally like you, the thing never happens.

[Johnny Lieberman]

In front of them. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

This one, it's on the way. So I go, don't turn the car off. It's doing it. Get out the thermometer. Like, check, you know, check it. It's blowing fresh air, not cold. Okay. Finally. So they figured out there's a sensor. That's fucked.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

Great. Replace that shit warranty. No problem.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Nice.

[Matt Farah]

Got the part in. Called me Friday afternoon at like 4:59pm and they're like, yo, I'm really sorry, but the part is bad. Like the replacement part. Oh, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know, so they just bought a bad batch of shit.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Like, can we keep the car till Tuesday? And so they're. So they're gonna do it, but it's. But like it actually is like it was a real thing and they're fixing it for free. So there's my. There's my used Taycan update. But otherwise. Otherwise, so far, so good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So the Rivian soft reset is much better. It's just. You just push in both thumb buttons for like a couple seconds. Soft. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

So you can do it in the car?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay. All right.

[Matt Farah]

So you got to get out of.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The both thumb wheels and then you push in the left button next to the thumb wheel and hold the hazard button or something like that. That's the hard reset. Once.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Hopefully I don't have to do a hard reset ever on. On my car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But yeah, I mean, every time you do a software update that's technically a hard reset.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, is it?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay? Yeah. All right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, mine does a lot.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, really?

[Matt Farah]

Hannah complains that like probably like three days a week we get a pop up notification. Notification when she gets in the car in the morning that says there's been a software update. I mean, what I actually want is just to turn off the notifications. Like I. I don't care that it's updated because, like, don't tell me.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's the thing is like, like that gen of. Of of that. What Is it, the J1 platform or whatever it was, it was just released too soon. They're still doing updates?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean, sure. It was in general. Like, it doesn't bother me. It just bothers Hannah. Like know for. I mean, pop up when popup windows bother everybody.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Who does.

[Matt Farah]

Who wants do it? You don't need to tell me. Just do it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's the thing with the Rivian. Like, it's such a special moment when you get the notification. Like there's an update available and it's like, oh, what am I going to get? What am I. Because they, they just add such cool to the car, you know? And like they had one the other week that was like, just bug fixes and didn't do anything special. It was kind of like, eh. But like, the one before that was awesome. Like. Like full Google Maps and, like, all this cool. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah, it's really good.

[Matt Farah]

Let's see Buffett again. Warren says, I've looked around for R129s. Since you've talked about your experience with them and mentioned that they are likely bottomed out. Is the AMG worth the effort to find? Seems like they're pretty scarce. Well, by amg, if you just mean the sport package. Cause There was an SL 500. There was an SL 600. There was no 63 or any of that shit. So if you're talking about the amg, the sport pack cars, I don't think they're that hard to find. I mean, probably a third to a half of all the R129s produced. The second half.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The cool wheels.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah, they're. Dude, I'm gonna tell a story that's gonna make somebody look bad, but it's gonna be funny.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Fine.

[Matt Farah]

We went to this car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We're in this storytelling.

[Matt Farah]

I'm not a career. Not a specific person that I know.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

We went to a Cars and coffee on Sunday that was put on by Myers Banks. It was cool. It was in this, like, weird Little store in Ho Hollywood that's very much one of those, like, LA brands, but, you know, like 10 Manxes and a bunch of other random cars, some of which were incredibly cool. Like an original Jaguar D type and some other stuff like that. Sure. That roll up, it was like, okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Is there anything sexier than a D type? It really is the best.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So there's a. There's an. A red R129SL500, red, tan, AMG wheels.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Perfect.

[Matt Farah]

The right art with the hard tail top on.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Perfect, perfect, perfect.

[Matt Farah]

And I go to Hannah. I go, you see that one? I go, that one's just like ours that we had. But I go, there was like, a $10,000 premium for red versus any other color.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, okay, cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Whatever.

[Matt Farah]

Well, they park it, and they get out of the car, and it's a couple. And the woman is driving the car into the lawn. I assume it's her car. She can't. The back window's kind of fogged up. She doesn't want to park it, so she gets out and he gets in and. And parks it. Okay. And then once it's parked, they pull out a cooler and a lawn chair.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Perfect.

[Matt Farah]

Put them in front of the car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Cars and coffee.

[Matt Farah]

And then they have pull out some microfibers and just start dry wiping the shit out of this cars and coffee, just dry wiping the whole car. And I'm just like, Hannah, look at this. Like the whole thing with this car is the red paint and they're just rubbing, rubbing dust into it. And then the last cherry on top is they go into the TR trunk and pull out a for sale side and put it on the window.

[Johnny Lieberman]

How much?

[Matt Farah]

Well, it was 25, 9.99. Which is.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Dude.

[Matt Farah]

Which is almost. And it had the same miles was when I sold mine, it had like 55,000 miles and I sold mine for 17 grand. Then I was like, here we are like five years later, six years later, 10 bottomed out. To answer the question, that's a bottomed out car with a $10,000 premium for red. If it was silver, it's 7.17grand.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They are such good cars.

[Matt Farah]

They look great.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Did you ever drive Kamesis with the manual?

[Matt Farah]

No, but I, I, I know what.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It could be annoying. It was so nice.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, probably.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, I, I, that was like, I was like. Because I just, I don't know why I just assumed that a Mercedes manual will be really bad for some reason. It was so good. It was such a good car. Like it was.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, here's a good one. Zach's underdog dried underdrive pulley says. Oh, wait a second.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Hang on. I'm kind of interested in this.

[Matt Farah]

This is going to be a very easy question from Kurt loves your Hellcat wide body track video. This is a video that's probably 7 or 8 years old at this point.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

What would you do to help it turn in and break better? And how much power should it have to, to help with its power to weight ratio? I go to Club Motorsports, Palmer, Watkins, Glenn and Thompson. Wow.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Stay away from Watkins with that car. I mean there, the, the, the steering box on the, Is he talking charger or Challenger? So the, the Charger weirdly has a, has a better steering box than the Challenger. There was a reason for it.

[Zach]

Better weight balance too.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Yeah. So hopefully a charger, I mean brakes, you know, so heavy dude tires. But like if you, if you get those off the Pirellis and put them on like PS4s, brakes are better, the handling's better. It really revolutionizes the car.

[Matt Farah]

I've never driven one that wasn't a press car, so I've, I've never driven one off of a.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So I had a year long. I Had one for a year and I finally put like, you know I figured out somebody who would give me free 305 width ps4s and it, it, I did the same thing with the Jag F type. It just the difference in the world. Those Pirelli like they have no grip for whatever reason. That, that era of Pirelli, that's a big thing to do.

[Matt Farah]

Battery good?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. The, the, the brakes, I mean you can, I would do like stainless steel.

[Matt Farah]

Lines and better fluid, your usual brake stuff.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But I mean this car heavy.

[Zach]

I just love the question of how do I improve the power to weight ratio. It's like this has 700.

[Matt Farah]

It doesn't. No, it doesn't need that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Why body 797 by the way, power to grip ratio. So Michelins would, would, would help. I would. They're not great track car. I have had a lot of fun in canyons with Hellcat widebodies.

[Matt Farah]

They're fun 710 cars. They're not fun 1010 cars even.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But like even. I don't know, I would say I was going a little harder than seven but like, like passing a 911 that's you know, thinks they're, they're cool and you're, you're in like a cop car.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're great. I love Hellcat. Chargers and chargers and stuff.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And the things we said will improve it but if you're looking to have like a real track car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's not a track car. Did you, did you drive the one? There was one in the LA fleet that was, it was like dark blue with black steelies. Did you ever see that one? I was, that's my dream.

[Matt Farah]

Literal steelies.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. Black steel wheels. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

On a Hellcat.

[Johnny Lieberman]

On a Hellcat. It was not a, it was on a wide body. It was an original Hellcat. It was like a dark blue. It was like, it was like detective spec Hellcat. It was so crazy. Crazy. Oh, it's great.

[Matt Farah]

Zach's underdrive pulley says when cars have lightweighting packages where they remove £80. Can you feel the difference when it's a £3,000 car? Yeah, I would say only if you drive the two cars back to back. If you don't drive the two cars back to back. Unlikely.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, but I mean, you know, 80, 80 pounds. Like it depends how it's distributed.

[Matt Farah]

Also if it's 80 pounds of like unsprung weight or whatever.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So I, I just, I just did a, a video on my YouTube channel. Driving with John. We had the Corolla, the 25 versus my car, which is a 24. But they only have automatics in the fleet right now for God knows what Toyota is thinking.

[Matt Farah]

But.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So it had basically put 70 pounds on the front axle and, you know, huge difference. You could totally feel it. And again, they weigh basically the same. There's just £70 in one really bad spot.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So. Yeah. And that's about a 3200 pound car.

[Matt Farah]

You can also feel it if you. If cars. For instance, if you drive two cars and one has like a glass roof.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh. Or carbon roof. Have you ever. I did that with.

[Matt Farah]

Because it's about where that weight is placed, not just that the weight exists.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Matt Farah]

If you distribute 80 pounds evenly across a whole car, it's hard to tell. You probably can't tell. Yeah. Like 80 off the roof or 80 off the. You know.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. But just on the front.

[Matt Farah]

30 pounds off the weight. Wheels. Like, wow. Huge difference. Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I was just gonna say, like, you've probably experienced this and usually it's in lower power cars, but you put like me or you in the passenger seat of Miata and it really changes the car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I just took a. I just took a heavy friend for a ride in a light car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And he was like, this is awesome. And I was like, you should see it without a you in it. You know? Exactly.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And I say that as a heavy guy, but I'm the. I'm. Every car I drive has to default to me. I'm in it. So, like.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

People are all like, well, he's fucking heavy. What is he, Dude, I'm in every car. So I'm a control sample. I'm not available.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right, right, right. Plus you've lost like 30 pounds, so you're 42. Really?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

What do you weigh now?

[Matt Farah]

254.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Fuck. I'm heavier than you. Oh, I'm 258.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah. If I get to 248, I'm. I. That's what I weighed as a junior in high school. That's what I'm trying to get to.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's also what I weighed as a junior high. I played football. I. Heavy.

[Matt Farah]

If we both get a 248, we could fight.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't want to fight. Let's not.

[Matt Farah]

If we both get to the same weight, we'll raise a code. December.

[Johnny Lieberman]

December.

[Matt Farah]

Then it will truly be. But it will truly be a.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No excuses.

[Zach]

One of you claims 10 pounds on a difference in lap time.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I've already got all my excuses.

[Zach]

I'm calling the stewards.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I do have a new, I do have a new racing suit coming, which I'm very excited.

[Matt Farah]

Really?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. I might need a new one. It turns out, it turns out a good friend of mine, like, owns a really famous racing suitcase. I don't know if, I don't know if she wants it publicized.

[Matt Farah]

Can I get a suit, too?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Let me talk to her.

[Matt Farah]

I want to talk to her.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's a good suit.

[Matt Farah]

My, I, my last suit is fine, but it's off the rack and I don't know, a couple years old.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So when I, when I did pikes, I got, I got hooked up. No, hang on. I got hooked up with hrx. Right. And it's through, through J. Jamie. Mar. Mar. And you, you can order a suit and like, there's 20 different measurements.

[Matt Farah]

Like, you know, my wife's pain in the ass.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. And I do it and it's like, do you want tight normal or loose? I'm like, my whole life all I've wanted is a loose racing suit.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

My whole life. So I say loose. They're Italian. It comes. I, I'm a, I'm a stuffed sausage. I can't even tie my shoe. Like, it hurts to bend my leg. So, so, so Bugatti's doing this thing and Bugatti's gonna give me another HRX RA racing suit. So I take my original measurements and I had a centimeter everywhere and then 2 centimeters in the balls.

[Matt Farah]

Very important.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And I have the greatest racing suit in the world, but it says Bugatti on the back and everyone hates it.

[Matt Farah]

Because you can't wear that Bugatti guy.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But it's like, it's the perfect suit.

[Matt Farah]

It's a shape. So I hope you wrote down the measurements.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I have the measurements. Yeah, I have the measurements.

[Matt Farah]

So that shit's important, man. You can't, when you, when you are getting a custom thing made like that, that, yeah. You got to take into account country of origin. If it's Italy, boy, do you need.

[Zach]

An American small.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But have you, have you ever, like, seen a guy in a loose fitting race suit and you're like, oh, that looks so good.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I have one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You do?

[Matt Farah]

Oh, it's the best.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, now I do. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's luxury living.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But my pike suit is the wor. Like it, it literally to tie my shoes, I had to put my foot on a, on a, a step of an F150 and lean and then jump off. And then like, I, I, I do practice session and my hips would hurt. Because it was so tight. So bad.

[Matt Farah]

No, a loose suit is where it's at.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's where it's at.

[Matt Farah]

Hoffmeister nipple clamps.

[Zach]

Love it. Such a good name.

[Matt Farah]

I had a Blobby STI and a996. Apparently I like cars with disliked headlights.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Good for you.

[Matt Farah]

Are there any other fun cars with generally disliked headlights? I should lust after Diablos. People don't like Diablos. The 300zx headlights are turn off.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They're great.

[Matt Farah]

I have.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I.

[Matt Farah]

It doesn't bother me at all.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Not only that, I. I just. I just drove a Diablo gt, which, by the way, they're rad. Which, yeah, they're rad. But that was Reggioni's like, first thing at Lamborghini.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, really? I didn't know that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He's one of the individual throttle bodies, but they put a little piece of carbon fiber covering the word Nissan. So to me it's perfect. Like, really? Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That's the most Lamborghini ever.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Ever. It's just great. Awesome.

[Matt Farah]

Daddy Doug's shorts. If you were making a Mount Rushmore of Porsche's greatest hits, what would it be? Okay, first you'd have to take some tribal land. Then you can talk about.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I got two. I'll give you two.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I would say the 550 Spider and I would say the very obscure but 1953America Roadster and Seinfeld agreement agrees with me. That's it.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Mine would be the 997 GG3RS 4.0.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. 100% thousand percent.

[Matt Farah]

The 1970. I guess this would be 4. The 2.7 RS 3.0. The. No, I wouldn't do that. I would say the 85 Carrera Club Sport that I drove. Those like, prototype 2200 pounds and 250 horsepower and felt like it was 800 horsepower.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Let me just add one I drove recently, a 73 RSR L lightweight. What's that? It's the lightweight and so the non sunroof. So they're. They're called the RSLs, but RS lightweights. The. The non sunroof one sold for like 2 point something million. The one I drove had a sunroof. So it's only 2 million million bucks. And everyone's like, could you tell the difference? And I was like, go yourself. Like, it was, it was such a wow car. It's just like, like, because an R, like, like a 73 RS is like about 800 grand and this pulls like £200 out of the car. And it has all, like the R stuff. Like the, you know, it's not as hardcore as an R. Oh, so much.

[Matt Farah]

They do lightweighting very well.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They did. When you do lightweighting.

[Matt Farah]

They did do, like. Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And they.

[Matt Farah]

Up until.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You know, I drove a 9 6, 64 Club Sport. That was very, very good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You're so right on the 4.0. I forgot about that for a second. 4.0 is the greatest car.

[Matt Farah]

I berated somebody at a Cars and Coffee on Saturday because their RS 4.0 had tires from 2012 on it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh. But it was just real quick with the lightweighting. I remember I went on the launch of the Cayman R. Yeah. Do you remember that? Were you there?

[Matt Farah]

I wasn't on the launch. I got it as a press car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Interesting car. So the launch was great because they. They actually literally took over a ch and they put the Cayman R on the pew. And I'm like, I'm an atheist and I find this very weird. It was very strange. But they're like talking about how, oh, yes, we're saving all this weight with. We got rid of the door handles and we have pulls. And I'm like, you still got vanity mirrors. And they're like, yeah, you gotta crash a car. Yeah, they do. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Username. Having both made a career in the industry, do you ever find yourself burned out on cars?

[Johnny Lieberman]

No. Never up for one second.

[Matt Farah]

Occasionally for short periods of time. And then I go on vacation with my wife to something unrelated to cars. And then coming back to work is great.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh.

[Matt Farah]

Oh.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I get burned out on the job, but, like, I could. Is as busy as I've ever been. I can sit and talk about cars all night long. Which I did at your house last night. Which.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Which is what most of our conversations are like anyway.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. I never, never, never.

[Matt Farah]

Granny shifting. Not double clutching like you should, says Johnny. Now that you've started your channel, Thoughts, timing of it, should you have started one earlier or are you fine with how things turned out?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Zach and I had this conversation last night in your kitchen. I should have done it 10 years ago. 100,000%. I had this really nice contract with Motor Trend for a long time. It was a really, really financially good contract. And then it went away and. And then it took me like a year of, like, I don't have any money to, like, realize I should do something. Yeah. You know, I was kind of just burning through my savings a thousand, thousand percent. I totally waited too long. Now I'm old and uglier and fatter and probably not gonna be that successful. But yeah, totally, totally up the times it starts.

[Matt Farah]

Things like that is yesterday always.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But I did it and it's going and it's doing well and making money and got an advertiser.

[Matt Farah]

There you go. Yeah, yeah, Ads are good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's great. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Last one and then we are calling the game. Because I'm gonna go home to my wife and go to sleep. Not for you. Go says. What examples of stealth wealth do you see in your region? I live in a poor state where it's rare to see any form of exotic car. However, it's pretty common to see very expensive RVs and boats. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's it. Sometimes not Stealth with the RVs and boats, people don't know how much that costs.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, that's true. But we're in la. There's no such thing as stealth wealth. It's. People want it, they do.

[Matt Farah]

But also, like, for instance, like, you'll see people wearing like, I would say that like a Paul Newman Daytona is a stealth wealth thing. If you don't. It's not cold or diamond shiny. It just looks like an old wall. You know, there's a lot of that, like vintage stuff.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Where you know, you've got the real thing that other people are copying. Like that's, that's that and like that and the. In la where it's like you're wearing a sweater, but your sweater is like $4,000. And it's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I feel like you can kind of tell. I see guys in like $500 t shirts and I kind of know it's a $500 t shirt.

[Matt Farah]

Sometimes you do, but other times. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But like in terms of cars, like, the Phaeton was a real big flop in Los Angeles. It just flopped out. It didn't say S500 on it.

[Matt Farah]

No. And people in this city, if they, it's very rare that they want to hide like that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You know where it's land. I mean, Land Cruisers is where you would do that. And even then only kind of people.

[Zach]

Like to advertise their success. But, but this, the stealthy thing is the vintage money.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Sorry.

[Zach]

Like vintage car icon Bronco. If you don't know, you might just go, oh, that's a cool Bronco. That's a nice. Oh, it looks pretty refurbished, you know, like it was $400,000.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Or if you have the, the Porsche 356 Carrera with the four cam.

[Johnny Lieberman]

If you just have a 356 though, like, there's so Expensive for just a, you know like a, you know, a bee or whatever.

[Matt Farah]

Economies of scale.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, we don't have like, you know, he's talking about boats and RVs, but also like the, the six figure truck. While it totally exists here, they don't stand out. But like you know you go to.

[Matt Farah]

Other states and like the King Ranch 450 whatever.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, but just all the, the amount of aftermarket work done on trucks and like, like every truck in Texas has that Texas front bumper. Every single one.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And, and just done up and they're all custom and it's, it's, it's really a part of the culture which is like trucks and RVs. LA is just a. You, it's a big city. Emphasis on city. You, you go out to like you know, Santa Clarita or something like that. Like there's a lot more truck culture. I would say.

[Zach]

I think when I see pre, like real pre runners here, like someone took.

[Matt Farah]

A Raptor and it widened it and.

[Zach]

It'S got three chamber king shocks and I go that's a $50,000, $100,000 add to a Raptor. Like that's kind of sneaky.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. But even, but even a Raptor is like not stealthy in any way, shape or form, you know.

[Zach]

Yeah, but you, but most people. Oh, the truck with big wheels, like.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, no, no.

[Zach]

Especially if it's, if it's hauling a Can Am, like four, you know, four seater can am. That's got a bunch of on it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right.

[Zach]

You can build hundred thousand dollar Can Ams.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh yeah. The other thing I, I can't remember was it Chevy or Ford or somebody but like turns out like Southern. I think Southern California is the biggest market for Chevy Silverados in the country.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We have population.

[Matt Farah]

Southern California is hu. You go outside the metro LA area. Yeah. They're selling tons of them but even.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We just don't notice them. Even in the metro LA area they're selling tons of them because people use trucks all the time for all kinds of shit. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That's our show folks. Thank you for joining us today. I'm sorry if we got a little flustered at the beginning because we had to rebuild our panel over there. We'll get that sorted eventually.

[Zach]

I ordered the cable already.

[Matt Farah]

Did you, while that's what you were doing over there, Shout out to Andrew of the independent state.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Half shout out. He could have sent some back better. Shiz.

[Matt Farah]

Come on.

[Zach]

It was a good educational experience.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I enjoyed it.

[Matt Farah]

In addition to this weirdness. He sent. He sent a thing that you said was incredibly valuable and rare and special.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So you want to talk about what that is? Cuz that's, like, pretty wild.

[Matt Farah]

No.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay. Bonus, he did send one ounce of unicorn juice. And I mean, if you like, yeah, you could. You could Google what that is, maybe look for, like, Colonel Taylor with the other nomenclature. And like, like, the prices are like. I mean, like five figures.

[Matt Farah]

All right, well, we're not. We're not selling it. Yeah, we're gonna taste it. But later. Later on a special day. Thank you to our patrons. If we didn't get to your questions today, we will save them for the next crew show. We will be back, what, tomorrow, Zach?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Huh? Tomorrow morning. Tomorrow morning.

[Matt Farah]

With a new board and maybe even a power cable. And hopefully Bezos willing. Lord Bezos.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, if you me trust tried to get like. I've been ordering a lot of new gear. Like, terrorists are hounding the ability to get stuff shipped. Like a new OSMO that's like, been delayed five times.

[Matt Farah]

Really?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Sanity.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, well, there's a lot of countries that are just not sending mail here now.

[Johnny Lieberman]

China, weirdly, is still sending mail, but, like, it was supposed to be here on the 22nd, and then it was supposed to be here today. And I got a note like, UPS had a problem. I was like, what does that mean?

[Matt Farah]

You know, like, the problem's name is Trump.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Thanks, everybody. Hopefully our gear can arrive, we can continue to make a show, because it's actually a global economy, whether you want to believe it or not. Bye.