Jonny Lieberman (Fixed)

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast – Jonny Lieberman (Fixed)

Date: September 3, 2025
Hosts: Matt Farah, Zack Klapman
Guest: Jonny Lieberman

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Overview

In this lively, tangential episode, Matt and Zack welcome veteran automotive journalist and personality Jonny Lieberman for a wide-ranging conversation. The show covers driving rare and exotic Porsches and RUFs, the nuances of ultra-high-end restomods, EV technology, used vs. new EV buying, whiskey “science experiments,” naming conventions in the custom car world, and much more. Along the way, the gang dives deep into driving impressions, car event culture, whiskey aging, automotive media careers, and food—and serves up plenty of irreverent banter, memorable stories, and the kind of inside-baseball car nerdery The Smoking Tire is known for.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

Studio Mayhem & Casual Catch-up

[01:38 - 03:22]

• Matt describes frantic efforts to "engine swap the studio" and start the show on time despite technical difficulties.
• Social banter about recent gatherings at Matt's house, with Johnny sharing the highlight of seeing attendee Paul Kramer "cancer free and with his new hip."
• Early praise for Matt's parking: "You have the best parking situation in Los Angeles." – Jonny Lieberman [03:17]

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RUFs, Restomods, and the Rodeo Experience

[03:37 - 16:14]

Who Has Driven What?

[03:45 - 05:01]

• Matt notes the scarcity of journalists who have deeply sampled both RUF and Singer restomods.
• The trio lists which models they've experienced, including the RUF Rodeo, SCR, and others.

Driving the RUF Rodeo

[05:22 - 15:06]

• Detailed breakdown of the RUF Rodeo driving experience:
  • 610hp, selectable AWD, carbon tub, long travel suspension, extreme off-road capability.
  • "A million dollar off-road handful" – Jonny [06:24]
  • Snap lift-off oversteer it shares with the 930 "Widowmaker," but dialed up.
  • "Nothing rotates like a Rodeo." – Matt [06:44]
  • Traction control quirks ("Off was way better, off is the move for safety." – Matt [07:21])
  • Easy to drift on tarmac; dramatic oversteer demonstrated on gravel sections.
• Compare to Lamborghini Sterrato, Hummer EV, and legendary oddballs like the Juke R.
• Discussion of the design and interior: Navajo blanket (Ralph Lauren-inspired), visible industrial carbon tub, and double RL leather.
  • "Having both the blankets and money in the carbon fibre is a flex." – Jonny [14:14]
• Criticisms:
  • Weak electric A/C ("It just does [suck]." – Matt [12:41])
  • Non-adjustable steering wheel placement.
• Client stories: Owners preferring the RUF over other blue-chip Porsches.
• Memorable moment:
  • Jonny recounts driving the SCR and being told by RUF's Alois, "We call that the screaming orgasm" after executing a burst from 3rd to 4th gear at 120 mph. [16:14]

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Iconic Car Moments & Bigfooting Each Other

[19:46 - 21:53]

• Matt and Jonny recall times they've tried to "one up" each other with access to rare cars.
  • Example: Jonny with two Chirons, Matt with the original Yellowbird ("the only way to beat two Chirons").
  • “Even the Bugatti people were like, ‘Is that a Yellowbird?’” – Jonny [20:33]
• Recent Yellowbird auction prices discussed ($6 million for the right one).

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RUF Customization & Naming

[21:24 - 23:01]

• Chat about custom specs and why customers sometimes make questionable choices (e.g., black-and-white Ken Block Hoonigan livery on the Rodeo).
• "They're just this happy family...they could say, no, you’re not getting black, sir." – Jonny [21:42]

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Whiskey “Science Experiments”

[22:08 - 70:14]

Experiment 1: Char Levels in Bourbon Barrels

[23:12 - 31:00]

• Tasting the same six-year-old bourbon aged in barrels with different char levels (Char 1 vs. Char 4).
• Geeking out on bourbon legal definitions, how char affects flavor.
• Both Matt and Jonny prefer the Char 4: "A fabulously delicious bourbon...like vanilla icing." – Matt [30:00]
• Takeaway: Barrels and their toasting profiles make a profound difference.

Experiment 2: Different Warehouse Floors

[40:41 - 46:09]

• Comparing whiskeys stored on the ground vs. top floors of Kentucky rickhouses.
• Higher floors = more heat, more extraction, much tastier; ground floor = “cleaning solution,” “fireball.”
• Jonny predicts (correctly) that higher, hotter floors make for superior whiskey: "This one's harsh, but it’s harsh with vanilla and caramel." – Jonny [45:42]

Experiment 3: Same Whiskey, Different Climates

[57:07 - 67:04]

• Two-year spirits aged identically but matured in Kentucky vs. Scotland.
• Scotland version is slightly more pleasant (Scotch-like), Kentucky's is rough, syrupy, medicinal.
• Fun speculation about what the barrels were and how climate made a difference.

Insights into Tasting and Master Distillers

[67:11 - 73:26]

• Jonny gives a masterclass on how Scotch and bourbon are sampled and blended, the culture of olfactory vs. oral tasting, and picking barrels at McAllen and Kentucky distilleries.
• "With bourbon you taste. With Scotch you smell." – Jonny [68:27]
• Anecdote: Drinking 40-year-old Highland Park at the McAllen house, "crawling on elbows and knees to our rooms." – Jonny [73:04]

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Porsche, EVs, and More Car Talk

Synthetic Gears in EVs

[31:10 - 36:15]

• Matt and Jonny debate the utility and fun-factor of "synthetic gears" (software-created gearshifts in EVs):
  • Matt: "If you're going to sell people on EV sports cars, giving them more ways to engage is better."
  • Jonny: Generally prefers natural EV torque delivery but concedes some drivers want more engagement.

New Cadillac EVs & Dolby Atmos

[34:31 - 40:03]

• Jonny praises the new Cadillac electric three-row Vistiq: strong performance, nice luxury, and “the first real physical implementation of Dolby Atmos.”
• Digression into car audio, Elton John, and getting speaker placement right: "They had to f*** up the grab handle...so the speaker could go there." – Jonny [39:47]

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Custom Porsche Builders: Naming & Identity Crisis

[49:46 - 56:59]

• Jonny and Matt talk about high-level Porsche custom shops (Mekellos/McKellar, Singer, Gunther Works).
• The importance of a memorable company and car name: "They gotta come up with an identity...McKellar's is just a bad name." – Jonny [54:23]

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Car Culture Events Round-Up

Upcoming Shows

[46:36 - 47:36, 79:12 - 84:49]

• October 11th: Helicopter/Willow Springs event with live show, concours, motorsport exhibition. Some hosts possibly arriving by helicopter.
• Helms Bakery "Cars & Coffee" is gaining momentum, now sponsored by Cars and Bids. Unique LA car event culture discussed, with pro tips for organizers.
• Emphasis on the importance of serving coffee—early—for car show volunteers, participants, and talent.

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Used vs. New EVs, Consumers, and OT Updates

[90:22 - 95:08]

• Would Jonny buy another new EV? Yes—for the right one, particularly the Rivian.
• Matt details his mixed experiences owning a used Taycan, including app/AC bugs and frequent over-the-air updates.
  • "I just want to turn off the notifications...just do it!" – Matt [94:21]

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Listener Q&A Highlights

Car Knowledge & Culture

[87:52 - 111:19]

• Requests for more culinary content from Jonny (bread, ragu, pastrami).
• New EVs: Rivian highly recommended, others on a case-by-case basis.
• R129 Mercedes SLs: Red commands a big premium, but most have bottomed out.
• Improving Hellcat handling: PS4s tires and usual brake upgrades make a big difference.
• Lightweight packages: 80 lbs noticeable only if removed from a critical spot or in a back-to-back test.
• Favorite headlights people hate: Diablos, 300ZXs, and more.
• Porsche "Mount Rushmore": 550 Spyder, America Roadster, 997 GT3 RS 4.0, various historic RS and Club Sport models.

Auto Journalist Careers

• Jonny reflects on starting his YouTube channel late ("should have done it ten years ago"), tied to prior contracts; advice to start content careers as soon as possible.

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Memorable Quotes

• "A million dollar off-road handful." – Jonny Lieberman [06:24]
• "Nothing rotates like a Rodeo." – Matt Farah [06:44]
• "We call that the screaming orgasm." – RUF's Alois (to Jonny) [16:14]
• "There's no difference in ingredients at all between mainstream fizzy lagers." – Jonny [64:28]
• "With bourbon you taste. With Scotch you smell." – Jonny [68:27]
• "I never, never, never [get burned out on cars]." – Jonny [110:13]
• "The time to start [a YouTube channel] is always yesterday." – Matt [111:02]

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Fun, Offbeat Moments

• Whiskey “science” causing progressively more suspect tasting notes.
• Inside stories about managing car event logistics, securing coffee, and badge/parking drama in LA.
• Toasting the show's best bourbon by finishing the bottle live.
• Debates about best pastrami sandwiches—and the quest for a New York-style bacon, egg, and cheese.

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Takeaways

• Ultra-exclusive Porsche restomods (RUF, Singer) offer radically different driving experiences—and the chance to geek out over the engineering, materials, and customization philosophy.
• Whiskey, like cars, is a matter of taste, process, and sometimes, brutal honesty.
• EV engagement remains an open question: synthetic gears, software, and future customization options are on the horizon.
• Car culture is made in the details—naming, event planning, even the bread on a pastrami sandwich.
• Longtime auto journalists are happiest when the conversation never quite stays on track.

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For more info, find the full episode and car reviews at www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

Show notes prepared using speaker language and tone for engaging recap. For questions or guest details, check social links @thesmokingtire @zackklapman @jonnylieberman.

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

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[Matt Farah]

Hi, everybody. Welcome. Welcome to a show that. Wow. I mean, it was gonna be 5 and then.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Perfect timing.

[Matt Farah]

Perfect timing. If you're just joining us, Zach just had to rebuild the entire board. Not rebuild like with solder. Like had engine swapped it. We engine swapped the studio. And so now there's one board sitting on top of another board because our thing fucking broke. And so. But we're doing a show now on time. Ish, actually.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, perfect.

[Matt Farah]

That's why you get to work early, kids. Because if you have to rebuild your whole studio, you could do your fucking show on time. Johnny's here. Hey. Johnny was at a little fucking shindig at Casa de Farrow last night. Everybody was having a good time.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It was a lot of fun. It was. My big thing was Mr. Paul Kramer, successfully with his new hip and cancer free.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Rolled in on his wheelchair. And it was.

[Matt Farah]

This is why. Listen, this is why you buy a ranch home in your 40s, because you never know.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And also, you saved me a trip to Orange County. This is the real reason I showed up to the party.

[Zach]

Thank you.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, look, for you coming to the west side is a. Is a rare treat as well.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You come to do our show, but otherwise west side party.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's not, you know, where you live. Actually. It's weird. It's not. You're not so west side, you know, it's not like. It's not like you're telling me to like go to like Brentwood or something. Like, like, it's kind of. It's kind of like almost going to Zuckerman and then it's like five minutes extra. It's not. It's not so bad.

[Matt Farah]

And you know, ample parking, so it's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yes. You have the best parking situation in Los Angeles.

[Matt Farah]

We do have a good parking situation.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Don't it up. But yeah, here we are. Like, many things have happened since I lasted. I have a whole like, list of things. But we're not talking about me today. We're talking about you. Oh, you. I gave you paper and you made a list of things that you. That you wanted to talk about.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Helicopter cars and coffee and bids and then coda. And also the roof.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, well, that's where I kind of want to start.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we. We are. We are. Apparently.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And a fan pointed this out to me the other day that I. And I. And not.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No.

[Matt Farah]

Zach, have you driven a Singer Classic?

[Zach]

No.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, well, probably you also, Johnny, but there's not a lot of people that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Have driven a Singer.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, you haven't?

[Zach]

No.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Breakfast with like the guy yesterday.

[Matt Farah]

Well, you should drive.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

That's a choice. You really should.

[Matt Farah]

I recommend them. But. But like, I'm one of the. I've driven all three of the new roofs, all of the current Singer offerings except Turbo dls. So people are like dming and you know, it's a DM from a random on Instagram and they're like, well, this or this? And I like roll my eyes and I'm like, just get both. And he's like, no, no, really, I. I am actually, like, I could get them. And like, you're the only person I know could think of who's driven them, so it's kind of interesting place. But we both drove the roof Rodeo.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And by the way, I have driven the coupe.

[Matt Farah]

Whatever they're calling it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Speedster and Turbo Gunther.

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah, those two.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I've driven the roof scr. So the naturally aspirated. I've driven the Rodeo and I drove the new air cooled one. The true. I haven't driven the turbo. Turbo.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we didn't. We drove the crazy one.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And we did not get to do the air cooled.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Air cooled?

[Matt Farah]

Like I heard it's real cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's, it's just like, they're just geniuses, that company. Like, like, let's do an air cooled with a seven speed, but you can put it in seventh gear at 30 miles an hour and it pulls because it's rough.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy. Yeah, we'll come back to that one. But we both drove Rodeo last week. Jack also drove Rodeo last week.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, so we're the only three journalists that have driven it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I mean, literally, they, they said because I asked. I'm like, hey, you know, Mr. Roof told me the car's gonna be in LA for a week. Could I drive it? It's like afterwards. And they came back and they're like, it was actually the tribute. I wanted to drive the air cooled one for like a video. And they're like, you know, that car is not running perfect, but you and Matt are the only ones who are allowed to drive the Rodeo. And I was like, really? Like, yeah, But Estonia says you have to take it off road.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You can't just drive it.

[Matt Farah]

Well, that was good because they asked if I wanted to drive it and I said only if I can drive it. Not like a bitch.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

And they were like, yeah, okay. And they were down. Like they were totally down. So it was these little static photos that I posted on my Instagram. I don't think quite do the justice to the car, but it's 610 horsepower with a selectable all wheel drive system. The carbon tub that RUF is doing. Wider body, long travel, it's a good time.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I described it as a million dollar off road handful because. Did you experience the snap? Liftoff. I should say oversteer.

[Matt Farah]

Yes. Which I did once I found it the first time I went, oh, I'm now going to do this over and over and over and over again. Nothing rotates like a rodeo.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Nothing. Okay. So, you know, you've all grown up listening how the 930 was the Widowmaker because it had lift oversteer. Well, this is the same size car. It weighs less. It has more than double the power.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And it has the softest springs of any Porsche ever built. And so. Or Porsche like thing. And so when you lift off at a good clip, the rear comes out. Now the weird part is if you leave the traction control on, it yaws about 30 degrees and then corrects itself.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But it moves you over four feet to the left.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So you gotta make sure Traction controls off. I found for safety.

[Matt Farah]

Off was way better off is the move for safety.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's much safer to not have any traction.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, actually the, the SCR has a pretty interesting traction control system, as does the ctr. But like this, with this off is the way you have to be off. But yeah, if you're not ready for the liftoff oversteer, this, this car would be terrifying.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It was funny because I, I had driven it, so I knew I was doing it. And then Rylek was in the car filming. It's my partner, my YouTube channel. And the first time it happened, like I was, I just kept driving because I knew it was gonna happen. He just looked at me like, yeah, bro. I was like, no, no, it's fine, it's fine.

[Matt Farah]

We found a closed section of paved road as well as a good section of gravel.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, fun.

[Matt Farah]

And there. This car is incredibly easy to drift on tarmac.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, I bet it is.

[Zach]

Yes, it is.

[Matt Farah]

And I had my friend in from out of town and it was take your old friend to work day and he was white after a five minute ride in this thing, the, the and all even in a straight line. Forget. Forget that because that is very exciting. And once you understand how that works and how to control it, it becomes the car's greatest asset, in my opinion.

[Zach]

Yeah, totally.

[Matt Farah]

It's like the stirrado. It does the same thing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's what the Serato should have been with the ground clearance and the soft. Sure.

[Matt Farah]

But in terms of like the way how you do the break, flick, smash, catch, straight that, but even more exaggerated. And especially because it's stick shift, like when Zach drove it and you feel it in the car, but you really see it when he does a three gear pull.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

So fun.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's like the Hummer EV mixed with. I didn't get to drive it, I got to ride in it. But the Canopa 959SC.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Because now it's 815 horsepower and it's, you know, shock technology from the 80s. So when you floor it, you're just. The nose just goes in the air, but on the roof, it just. When you hit the brakes, it dips forward. Yeah, yeah, it's. It also reminds me of. Do you remember the Juke R?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So the Juke R kind of was like short wheelbase, too much power, and it kind of bobbled around.

[Matt Farah]

Also the best car ever.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It kind of was.

[Matt Farah]

The Juke R really was.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know, I never knew about it. They made a Juke R point to. Did you Ever experience that? It was just. It was like the Nismo power plant. So it was like, you know, it was only legal in like Dubai.

[Matt Farah]

Like eight of those, right?

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, they made more than that. Really, Zach. Look it up, Zach. But they made more. But then they made a second gen, which I never drove, but apparently was.

[Matt Farah]

Even better because I would definitely still like, if I was. That if I was into GTRS, I would pay, you know, one of AMs or one of these shops. Yes, build me.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Matt Farah]

Because you. I wouldn't. Because the real one would also be like very collectible. Yeah, I want. I would want one that you. That would be disposable.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And I think the first one was like 465 horsepower and then the 2.0 horsepower.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Kick ass. 20, 50.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So we got the Nismo power plant.

[Matt Farah]

So sweet.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I thought the juker was one of the greatest cars I ever drove.

[Matt Farah]

I never drove.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, I drove it.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, it was. Is it like what, what you'd want it to be?

[Johnny Lieberman]

It was like driving. I think I described it like driving a pinball because it's just like. It was so little.

[Matt Farah]

It's very good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It just changed direction so fast because it was a GTR with a short wheelbase and. But because it was up high, it just was like more tippy, which. I like cars that do that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I like body. I like body roll.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You can now engineer it out. That's very neat. It's a neat hydraulic trick.

[Matt Farah]

Play. Please don't.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, but like, like the rodeo was just. It was so fun.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And that's why I like the Hummer EV to me is just like a joyride because I don't know if I told you this or you did it, but like at night, if you floor the Hummer ev, what the fuck mode you can't see because the headlights are pointing towards the sky. You have two seconds of you cann what you're rocketing towards.

[Matt Farah]

It's so safe.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Safe, safe. You know, it's so great.

[Matt Farah]

Oh boy.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So rodeo thumbs up.

[Matt Farah]

I. I really enjoyed it. If you, if you put the suspension in sport stiff, the stiffer mode, it does that a little less. But like not that I didn't.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know what, I kept hitting it. It wasn't like it didn't seem like it was doing anything.

[Matt Farah]

Does it like a little less. But like not really.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But also like again, roof. They come up with their own all wheel drive system that like you can like drag it to select where you want it or pop it in auto. It's insane. Like, what an insane company.

[Matt Farah]

And rear wheel drive is the good. Is a good mode.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's the only way to go.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's exceptional. I actually really. And even this orange car, the interior with the like the Navajo blanket, you.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Know, that Ralph Lauren inspired.

[Matt Farah]

I do know it was. Yes. And. And the double RL leather and all that I think is double RL leather is really, really nice to the touch.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So the giant stitching was. That's like a nod to Freeman Thomas. So Freeman obviously designed. Since 2017, every roof has been designed by Freeman. And so yeah, it's the giant stitching.

[Matt Farah]

Is the Audi baseball stitch almost that somebody has in their own car downstairs. Very true. So, yeah, the only thing I don't. There's two things I don't like about this car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

One, the electric AC sucks.

[Zach]

Oh yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's all in all roofs, it sucks. It just does.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Because in Germany you don't need it the way we need it here.

[Matt Farah]

And it was the same with that Totem GT thing. It used the same unit and it sucked in that thing too.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I just had that McKellar's car with the same unit. And yeah, it sucks.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So that sucks. And the steering wheel isn't adjustable and. And it just, it's too far away from you. Too far away.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I, yeah, I'm. I. It's probably bad, but I like to have steering wheels far away. So I thought it was great. But yeah, it should be adjusted if. 1.25 million and if you're starting from.

[Matt Farah]

You're starting from scratch like you didn't have, you didn't have to make it that way. But maybe they did. Like, maybe Eloisa is going to email me later and go, hey, we did have to make it this way. And maybe that's true. But like, I don't know, for me, it's. It's not in the right place and I can't make it in the right place. And that is a bummer. And it's the only bummer about this entire line of cars. From this.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They're all like that.

[Matt Farah]

They're all like that. It's not just the road.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I think whatever shape I happen to weirdly be, I'm this. I'm like the buck they design cars around because I just fucking.

[Matt Farah]

You would not. You wouldn't. The SCR that we drove, you wouldn't have fit in. It was designed for a small person.

[Zach]

Ah, okay.

[Matt Farah]

And we did not neither Zach. I didn't fit in it. Which is normal.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Also the angle of this, it was.

[Matt Farah]

It needed to be that up, I think.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Okay, maybe.

[Zach]

I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

But it just wasn't quite back. These were much more comfortable. The ones in this rodeo.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Very true.

[Matt Farah]

Were larger size or whatever and they were sat right. They were great.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But this shot's awesome if you're, if you're following along on the video because everyone's going to look at the Navajo blankets and, and all that, but who cares? Look down. Look at the carbon fiber of the tub poking through. I thought that was such a flex. Like to have agree you have both. All this blankets, but really the money is in the carbon fiber.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

You have to show that, you know, so co.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It was so cool. I just loved it.

[Matt Farah]

The Totem GT Super GT also did that same effect with these like big swaths of leather and houndstooth. But then the tub peeks through around the edges of the floor mats and shit. I'm like, that's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I like how it's not Pagani OCD carbon fiber. It just looks like industrial carbon fiber, which is so cool. It's not super glossy and it's also not super book matched and all that nonsense. It's just, it looks like, you know, like, like you went to the carbon fiber factory and got carbon fiber.

[Matt Farah]

I love it. Yeah, these, this, these cars really kick ass. And I have, I have a client here at the store who owns a twin turbo one an anniversary and owns all, all of the blue chip Porsches. All the good stuff. And he says it's his favorite to drive.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And I believe it. It's a nasty, nasty little thing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I drove that SCR a couple years ago that was at the Quail and it was.

[Zach]

It was.

[Johnny Lieberman]

First of all, it was just phenomenal. It was that oak green one. Just phenomenal to drive. Like, everything was perfect. And I remember I was getting a little. Not teary, but like, you know, I've been reading about rough yellow bird since 1987 or whatever and like, you know, so we're, we're going. Ali was in the seat next to me and I'm kind of having a moment. I do like, you know, the third to fourth shift, like flat like, you know, whatever that is. Like 120 miles an hour. Yeah, it makes a great noise. And I'm like, I look at him like, you know, I've been waiting like 33 years for this moment. And he goes, yeah. We call that the screaming orgasm.

[Matt Farah]

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[Matt Farah]

I was by myself for that moment, and it was in Bruce's yellow bird.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's a real yellow bird.

[Matt Farah]

Shout out to Uncle B. Uncle B hooked up your boy here. And Bruce Meyer did a little treat for me. And I got to have a real go on Upper Big Tuhunga. And it was the right road for that particular vehicle.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So we've talked about this before, but Matt and I have this thing of, like, bigfooting each other. Like, I had two Chirons.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I was there.

[Matt Farah]

And the only way to beat two.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Chirons is with one OG first yellow bird.

[Zach]

Right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's the only way.

[Matt Farah]

There's no other car. I was sitting on the side of the road setting up cameras, and I'm like, look, is that Johnny and two Bugattis.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And I was just like, oh, man, you win. And it was hysterical because even the Bugatti people were like, is that a yellow bird?

[Matt Farah]

Jamie's like, dude.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And then we're literally supposed to be talking about the Sharon and we're just talking about yellow bird.

[Matt Farah]

So.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. That car was that car. You up that car way too. I understand why they are millions of dollars.

[Johnny Lieberman]

$6 million, right. That one just sold.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I think. I think six was the highest.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The.

[Matt Farah]

The most recent one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't want just hit auction, like, recently.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. But it didn't get that number. But it wasn't a very good color. Ah, it was. It was like dark red, like, like, like dark red with, like, chrome window trim. Like, it's a real yellow bird. But it was like, it wasn't yellow.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Somebody went and got that one painted black.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And then the Frickin rodeo. Which was at the Quail. That's not the orange one. Was a customer car black.

[Matt Farah]

I was not personally a fan of the rodeo in the black white Ken Block Hoonigan scheme. That didn't. That didn't do it for me at all.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, we, Paul, me and Marco had a whole conversation about that where they were like, well that's what the client wanted and like fun.

[Matt Farah]

I'm not saying they should have said no. It just does that car doesn't do it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They say next we're going to do another one for the Quail and you can win. And like. But they don't realize who they are. You know, they're just like this happy family. Like we build fun cars. They're like. You could say, no, you're not getting black, sir.

[Matt Farah]

You can wait. You can get black for showing the bright green one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Whatever.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Do you want to. Do you want to do some science, Zach? Do you want to do some science? A little bit of science. So a fan, I forget, did he want me to.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

I think he want.

[Matt Farah]

He said I could use his name.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

A fan named Andrew works at the. The independent Stave company.

[Zach]

Oh yeah.

[Matt Farah]

He's the director of whiskey research and innovation, which is. That's a job title. Imagine being at a bar.

[Johnny Lieberman]

What do you know?

[Matt Farah]

And you were the director of whiskey research Innovation. That's a kick ass job.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I like this.

[Matt Farah]

And he goes, you, I think you might like what I do all day, which is whiskey science. And he sent me some experiments, some tasting experiments for us to try. And I've saved them for. Since May for you to come back and for us to try them. So we have three different whiskey tasting experiments and we can talk about some other things while we try them. But experiment one is the same whiskey aged in barrels with different char levels. It's a six year old bourbon.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Perfect. This is fun.

[Matt Farah]

And we have a six.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Char level one versus char level four.

[Zach]

Oh.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, it's me. A big difference.

[Matt Farah]

It's a big difference. Okay, so we'll start with one.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

And we'll just have a little sip ski here.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Quick. So this might be interesting. Okay, here we go.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So I'll just.

[Matt Farah]

Fortunately that's about half of this one. So I might be able to do this again with someone else later.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So. Always bears repeating. But bourbon legally has to be made in the United States. So you could make bourbon in Hawaii if you want it to.

[Matt Farah]

Someone should.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Has to be 51% corn has to be aged a Minimum, I want to save three years. Has to go into a virgin, not white oak, but virgin oak barrel that has some degree of char and has to enter at between 100 and 120 proof. So you can't just dump firewater in there. But that's legally what makes a bourbon a bourbon. And so this char level just nosing right now. So it's gonna be. Probably make it sweeter.

[Matt Farah]

More char will make it sweeter?

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, less.

[Matt Farah]

Less char.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I think less char would make it sweeter. It would be more like maybe more vanilla and less oaky flavor.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. I think I do taste vanilla in this.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Vanilla.

[Matt Farah]

It's like kind of strong.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It is six year could.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I mean, again, it could have entered the barrel at 120 proof and then as not always 100%, but as bourbon sits in barrels, the water evaporates a little bit and so it kind of. It goes through a second distillation.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And so you can increase the proof. That's a way to.

[Matt Farah]

I assume all of these are barrel. Barrel proof.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's better be barrel proof or Mr. Director of Innovation.

[Zach]

All right.

[Matt Farah]

Not bad.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, that's lovely.

[Zach]

Oh, I like that.

[Matt Farah]

It's. It's. It's hot.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's hot, it's hot. I don't mind the hot, but I liked. I liked it. This is great. You guys don't have any ice cubes? I love this. This is great.

[Matt Farah]

But we're doing science, so I don't want to water it down either.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I can't water. No, no, no, no.

[Matt Farah]

Glass rinse quick. Glass rinse.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You could. You probably look, he's using. He has a never ending supply of new glasses. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I'm just gonna lick the glass clean.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

All right.

[Matt Farah]

Char level four. Let's see.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, so this is the same.

[Matt Farah]

Can we taste the difference?

[Johnny Lieberman]

So in other words, the same whiskey goes into two different barrels? Yeah, one is a four. One's a one.

[Zach]

Yeah. Y.

[Matt Farah]

So this is more char. So what kind of flavors are more char? I don't want to. Well, are you going to put it in our head?

[Zach]

No. Yeah, exactly.

[Johnny Lieberman]

To smell it and taste it first. And I'll give you.

[Matt Farah]

See what we've got.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Not expert opinion, but I. It's. I've spent a lot of time at this.

[Matt Farah]

Really smells different. It smells way different. Yeah, so a little more like a campfire. I mean, literally more like char, vanilla, and less sugar, less syrup.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So the vanilla flavor in bourbon kind of comes out of the wood out of the oak. And you also get wood out of the, you know, the oak flavor. And so I think more char, I think, would give you more oak flavor.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Isn't that part of why chardonnay has so much, like vanilla flavoring as the oak it sits in?

[Johnny Lieberman]

American chardonnay? Yeah, they let it sit too long.

[Matt Farah]

Did you taste this yet? Can I just say, for the record. Fuck, that's delicious. Like that. That is a fabulously delicious bourbon.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's great.

[Matt Farah]

Whatever this is.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's exceptionally good. There's still plenty of vanilla, but there's also like a cinnamony kind of thing.

[Zach]

And.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, that's. That's. That's damn good. That's also like icing.

[Matt Farah]

Habibi, get me a bottle of char.

[Zach]

Four.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, let's go.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know what I mean? Like a little. It's almost like instead of like vanilla extract, it's like vanilla icing. There's a real level of.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a rich, like a richer, like a thicker vanilla. Wow, that. That's good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Wow. Okay, so this is. This is great because A, you're experiencing B, like once in a while I'll get like a five or six year old bottle that is like, of this quality and it's like, how did they do this?

[Matt Farah]

And as they picked the barrel, the char. Wow.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But it's also gambling because remember, the way it works is they're like, well.

[Matt Farah]

We got these barrels.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Well, let's see what happens. Wait six years. Oh, it's really good. Or it's okay.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You know, so well, this one. God, is that a winner?

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's so super good.

[Matt Farah]

Fuck. You know what got me real excited the other day?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Zach's like struggling over there.

[Matt Farah]

He's like back of the throat Pretty hard.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's what it's all about.

[Matt Farah]

What's all about.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's what it's all about.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

That's what you guys love.

[Matt Farah]

I heard about a Porsche Cayenne prototype that has synthetic gears. An EV prototype?

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Yeah. Someone posted about it.

[Matt Farah]

It's a Cayenne, not a fucking Cayman. They're headed there, but somebody at Porsche is trying it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And you guys like those synthetic gears.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I think it's better than no gears.

[Matt Farah]

I think it gives you. I think giving people. Not. Not for the Cayenne. I don't give a shit about the Cayenne having gears. I care about the new Cayman having synthetic gears. It's more.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't like it.

[Matt Farah]

And what I care about ultimately is not just synthetic gears. Synthetic gears is the stepping stone to downloadable car packs. What I want is my EV Caiman to mimic the power to weight, gear ratios etc of a 550 Spider today.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Because you need.

[Matt Farah]

Otherwise.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Otherwise it's gonna sound like you're always in six.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I want the. I want the ratios to change with the car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't want any sound except for the sound of the motors. I just don't want any sound.

[Matt Farah]

That's fine. You can do that.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Any car that comes with that, you can always turn it all off.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I just, you know, I had last year this gentleman named Andy Pruninger. I let him drive my Rivian.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And it was hysterical because he was bitching and moaning about all the EV stuff and like. And he drives the Rivian around. He's like, why didn't we do this? He's like this. It just, it just sounds like what it is. There's no fake noise. And I go, yeah, it's. That's why it's really good. And he's like. And he's a big truck guy.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He's a redneck.

[Matt Farah]

Doesn't he have a ramp? He drives a ram around Germany. And he.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I think he was saying he wants to move to Montana. Like Fly Fizz when he retires.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But he was just like. He's like, this is great. I go, yeah, it's great.

[Matt Farah]

I don't agree with all EV things, but all EV choices like that went into the fucking Taycan I've got. But I do think that for ev, if you're going to try to sell people on EV sports cars, giving them more ways to engage with the machine is better. They don't have to use them all the time. But if it's just software and a couple fucking Padd the steering wheel and whatever. Yeah, give it to them. It's more fun.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I leave a disagreement because I drove the Ionic 5N and I was. Well, first of all, it's like you sampled a Elantra N motor. That's the best you could do.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah. Well, that's the best Hyundai can do, but Porsche can take the concept and do a lot better.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I agree. But also, you're pumping it out of $45,000 ionic speakers. So, like, it's kind of. Again, Porsche can wear my spirit up.

[Matt Farah]

The sound isn't great. What's important about the sound is it accurately represents what you're doing with the.

[Zach]

Right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But also, I just turned everything off and just had no fake gears. I'm like, this thing's pretty good. I. I didn't think it was. I didn't think it was the greatest driving experience, but I was like. I liked it much better without the gears and without the noises. Like, just.

[Matt Farah]

Well, you'd be happy to know that at the New York safety track, it's 2 seconds a lap quicker with the gears off.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, of course.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It also doesn't give you full power with the gears. Right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Because it. Oh, it doesn't. I. No, I didn't go on the launch. I.

[Matt Farah]

No, because if you. If you're using the gears, it builds torque as if it's a gasoline car, whereas if it's off, it's just full kill.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I just like. I like evs because it's like you just have all this. Like, I drove here in this Cadillac Vistic, which is like, you know, it's about 80 of the way there. It's pretty good.

[Matt Farah]

Is it bigger or smaller than a lyric?

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's bigger. It's a three row.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So it replaces the totally awful XT6.

[Matt Farah]

Which maybe really, that was a thing still, wasn't it?

[Johnny Lieberman]

It really made me question, why does GM exist? When I show the. Why did we save them as a country? Because it was just such a bad vehicle. It really. It was just. And the powertrain was the worst part. It just. It was like a soulless, gutless 3.6 liter.

[Zach]

No. The XT. Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This is really bad.

[Matt Farah]

Didn't even know they still made it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't know if they still do. But. But. And it was funny. I put a thing up. I said, do you guys even care about. Because I asked Cadillac for some cars and they dropped this off. I didn't ask for it. I'm like, you guys want a video of this? And, like, it's like night over 90 of the response was like, hell yeah. Really?

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And what, what, what. What I like about it. One of the things I like about it is that, you know, at the end of the day, it's 615 horsepower, 650 pound feet of torque. It hits 60 in 4.3 seconds. And like, no one who owns it will ever do that. But it's there if you want it. And like there's no gears, there's no noise. It's just. Just very nice luxury thing. But it's got that, you know, it does the EV thing when you need it, you know, so it's. It's. I just like, I don't. I don't need the fake gears. Like, it's.

[Zach]

It. It.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I always get back to it. I wouldn't need it in a.

[Matt Farah]

Some crossover.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, you really. I just.

[Matt Farah]

I only care about this in sport. I don't even wish my Taycan had it.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

I just. In sports cars.

[Zach]

All right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The only electric sports car I've really ever driven was the. The Batista. The 2000 horsepower.

[Matt Farah]

That would. That would do perfect in that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I loved it.

[Matt Farah]

I just.

[Zach]

That.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's.

[Matt Farah]

That car would be much more fun if it had effective fake years. It really would. That car. I didn't. I drove the. The Mac.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, same.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, same shit.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Literally, when you're being a complete maniac.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah. And when you're driving like a normal human being, it's a snooze fest.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Well, so the, the Batista, what's nice about it is it has a much more of an interior and it's like a little softer, you know, it's not. Because they're not trying to get all. Every speed record. And it was like. This is.

[Matt Farah]

That wasn't the reason I was saying that about.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Well, I was just saying the, the. The. It was like a nice car to drive around and then, and then. And I floored it and it was just like, this is so stupid.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, credit to mate and those guys for being able to do that.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I just like, I don't. I don't know if they think this. I just think that like once they got there, it's. It's. For that kind of money. It's not that exciting. Unless you're doing this thing that is so illegal, so dangerous.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I'm not kidding. I was. I mean, I shouldn't admit this, but I'm sure the statute of limitations are gone. I was just going 128 miles an hour for five minutes on Canaan.

[Matt Farah]

Because I ran an eight second quarter mile in Malibu three times in a row and nobody noticed.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I did an 8 second quarter mile once and was like, this is stupid.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And the video guy was like, if you do it again, I don't know if I can be in the car. I was like, I don't know if I could be in the car or.

[Matt Farah]

Should do it again. Yeah, no, that's why the third one you go, all right, comment after this.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, yeah, but more whiskey.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. Yeah, but I, I want to try this vistic thing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's cool.

[Matt Farah]

I mean it's a three row small one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Optics kind of dope.

[Matt Farah]

That's kind of. That's the one I really want to try.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You should. So the optic, what's cool about it is the dude blanket on his name, such a nice guy and I feel. I'm so sorry. If you're listening Mr. He rode around with me and Emmy hall on the launch. He really tried to make it sporty. He really like, you know, he, he built it to a budget. There will be an Optic V that will actually get mag shot the fo. But like it's, it's really fun. It's a little, as little as evs will ever get. You know what I mean? Like EV is just for a lot.

[Matt Farah]

Of reasons the size of a Model Y or whatever.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's a Model Y size.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And it, that one's, this one's not bad.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's better looking.

[Matt Farah]

Kind of like this one. Not sure what's happening at that. That behind the C pillar.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This, the Vista has a, it's just Cadillac's thing. It's all right, but very good looking. Also you're a music fan and I'm going to say this and everyone's going to call me horrible, but I hate Elton John. I've never liked his music, can't stand it. But this has the first real physical implementation of Dolby Atmos. All Cadillacs will get it. Mercedes offers Atmos. I think my Rivian has Atmos Lotus Electric. But when I say physical it means that, that they worked with Dolby and they put the speakers where Dolby told them the speakers need to go to fully experience Atmos. And the guy played me Rocket man, the Atmos remix and I do not like Elton John. I agree with the bad guy in the rock when he goes, you ever heard the Rocket Man Mountain John? He goes, I hate weak ass but.

[Matt Farah]

Blew my mind off that. Don't you come at me in a Michael Bay line.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay, but. But that. It blew my mind.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Teenager, I hate my father syndrome going on here.

[Zach]

The.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The implementation of Atmos in this look.

[Matt Farah]

I love a great stereo.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Like, they. They had to, like. Here's the thing. The. The grab handle. They had to fuck up the grab handle on the optic to put the speaker there. So the grab handles in the dumbest place possible.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, on the. A pillar.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

It's horrible, but it's like the Bronco.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yes, but they did it for a reason, is that they put a speaker. So Dolby said you have to put the speaker.

[Zach]

All right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And it's. It's so good. The Vistaq doesn't have yet. All Cadillacs will get it for 26 model year. They'll get the. The new speaker implementations.

[Matt Farah]

You should get one to try.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You should get the Vista, but you really do is get the Escalade iq. Because that's the dopest of all cars, I'm telling you.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I don't care that much.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You would.

[Zach]

Matt.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Remember many years ago you said, what car should my dad get?

[Matt Farah]

He got an Escalade. It was the biggest piece of shit you've ever seen.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay, I'm.

[Matt Farah]

It was. We had a long conversation about sanely problematic.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Remember we had a long conversation about what car should Papa Farah get?

[Matt Farah]

Yes, it's the.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's the. It's the Escalade iq.

[Matt Farah]

If you sell that car to him, you are the best salesman. I will sell it all.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I will sell it.

[Matt Farah]

Experiment number two. This is the same whiskey aged on different floors of a Kentucky warehouse.

[Zach]

This.

[Matt Farah]

This is the ground floor.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

We're on the floor.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So I'm gonna make a prediction without tasting it. Ground floor doesn't get very hot. Top floor gets very, very hot. So in Kentucky, you know, when it gets really, really hot, you get a lot of, like the whiskey moving in and out of the woods. You know what I mean?

[Matt Farah]

So ground floor, more water evaporate too.

[Johnny Lieberman]

All that. But also just the more. It literally goes into the wood. So it's just more.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

More contact, the liquid expands and.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, just. Just the heat. Yeah, over. Over the course. Spongy.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And just the more heat there is, the more extraction. And as it gets cold, it gets forced out of the wood. Cool.

[Zach]

So the.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The honey spot. The honey hole, or the honey pot, as they call it. Sometimes it's rarely ever on the ground floor. It's usually like there's a certain spot in the distillery, tends to be towards the roof. Where like the best whiskey comes from. So again, literally the same barrels cut from the same tree. You put one on the fifth on the bottom floor. You put one five stories up or eight stories up. Depends on the Rick house. Radically different just because of the temperature fluctuating, heat rises, all that's awesome. Closer to the sun.

[Matt Farah]

Do larger commercial distilleries, climate control the place to make it more consistent.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Honestly, like beam was probably like the largest. They don't at all. In fact, in fact, most Rick houses are kind of open to the elements. Like they're not really sealed and like they like you couldn't drop something straight into it. But if they have like slats that are offset like that, they want it open. Michters, who's a relatively small, super climate controlled, but they raise and lower the temperature manually.

[Zach]

Oh.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And so they're like, you know, I hate claims like this, but like what we can do in 10 years takes another distillery 20 years.

[Zach]

Sure.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But it's just, it's very controlled. They're very scientific. Like, like mictters is the guys wear lab coats. It's wild. It's nothing like bourbon. It's nothing like you want to go to Kentucky and like, you know, you want to see like a dude sitting in. You want to see the cracker barrel logo.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But you go to mictters and it's like, it's, it's scientists like being geeks.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Because they're trying to recreate the elements of nature, the effects.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't know what they're trying. They just do it their way. You know what I mean? It's not, it's not even that. It's just like, like before I went to Michter's, I would always say 90% of the flavor in bourbon is from the wood. And I went to Michter's and I'm like 40% of the flavor is from the wood because they actually handed me white dog, which is, you know, unaged bourbon that tasted like bourbon. But it was, it was made in their method.

[Zach]

How interesting. Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So it's like you should totally.

[Matt Farah]

And it's like normally white dog is so gnarly, I can't taste anything. But fire literally tasted like.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It tasted like bourbon without vanilla.

[Matt Farah]

It was wild.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But they have their methods and they filter and they do all this stuff.

[Matt Farah]

So this tastes very cinnamony to me. Lots of cinnamon.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, this is fireball.

[Matt Farah]

Kind of.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

This is fancy fireball.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay. So this is my prediction is we're gonna like the, the roof one. This is you Think this is setting.

[Matt Farah]

Us up for the other one, which is actually good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This is not good in any way.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

It tastes very like rubbery.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This tastes like cleaning solution. Yeah, you really, you really need to like, you know, I gotta clean my lens.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you gotta rinse out your glasses. That's all.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Finish is not good.

[Matt Farah]

That is a cinnamon stick.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But also like, you know, there's like higher alcohol. Yeah, very, very. Exactly.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

This one was a cruel trick.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Andrew, you jerk.

[Matt Farah]

That one second sip was not.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Ground floor sucks.

[Matt Farah]

That was not.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

This is pinel from the ground floor.

[Matt Farah]

All right, well, let's see what's happening on the fifth floor.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And this is still a six year exact.

[Matt Farah]

Do you not hear? You want an empty bottle. You want to get too late.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But this, this. So this is. This is six year whiskey. That's now four year old bourbon. Okay. Also four year, four year bourbon. Sending me a little bit rough like that too.

[Zach]

Okay. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Well, let's see.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Hey, Andrew, next time. Six year different floors. Let's see them on fifth floor.

[Matt Farah]

Is any kinder?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, it did smell good. Just tasted, smelled.

[Matt Farah]

It smelled like a cinnamon stick. And then it tasted like cinnamon stick syrup with floor cleaner.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I mean, it smells better.

[Zach]

All right.

[Matt Farah]

Much better. It's way better.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's still harsh. But you get. You get a candy and you're getting. You're getting the vanilla tongue.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Johnny. Yeah, callous on there.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, but you're getting.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I thought you like the harsh stuff. Like you bring the strong barrel over.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I like delicious. That was gross. That was pine solent. But it was like in. It was like.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

It was like, wait, but this one's harsh. The new one.

[Matt Farah]

I see what you mean.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This one's harsh, but this is like that harsh. But like you add vanilla and caramel to it and you get the caramel from the char of the wood and you get the vanilla.

[Matt Farah]

It's better, but only just. But I'm gonna see what happens.

[Johnny Lieberman]

By the way, number of good 4 year old bourbons I've had in my life is about three. Three.

[Matt Farah]

I just added like just a couple milliliters of water. We'll see if it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This is.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

That's why I drink gin.

[Matt Farah]

It does not make it better. No, it does not make it better.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This is. This is an irredeemable barrel. It's beyond redemption.

[Matt Farah]

All right, we have one more. We'll wait a few minutes.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Give me your empty thing here.

[Matt Farah]

This is the spittoon.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

If you need a spitoon. So I'm looking at my list Here. Helicopter.

[Matt Farah]

Wait.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

All right. Why not Helicopter. He wrote down helicopter. What does that mean?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Mean October 11th is big, big reopening.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I'll be. I'm, I'm emceeing the cars and coffee.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I officially got invited.

[Zach]

Oh.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But they also invited Spike and Mr. Zuckerman, and Zuckerman, of course, said these were their demands. Well, no, literally, Zuckerman said no. And they said, what if we helicoptered you? Sam said this?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And they said, fine. And, and then Spike's like, you're on the helicopter. And I'm like, I don't really want to be on the helicopter. I kind of want to drive. But Maz was like, you should go on the helicopter and just have your car shipped there. Sure, I suppose if that's, that's, that's.

[Matt Farah]

The thing you could do. Okay.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So I'll be there with, with those two.

[Matt Farah]

October 11th. If you're in LA or San Diego or driving distance of either, please come, Come hang out with us at Willow Springs. We're gonna be doing a live show. There will be a cars and coffee with. With. It is actually it's car. It's a cars and coffee concourse, I suppose, because it's actually gonna be judged.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, really?

[Matt Farah]

We're gonna have some prizes that are pretty cool. There's gonna be some motorsport exhibition. Meaning, like, they have some. They're pulling out some really cool vintage historic race cars. They're gonna be running some Singer like turbo dlss. There's gonna be some exhibition racing. It's gonna be fun.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So, yeah, Maz is saying that I could drive, which is cool.

[Matt Farah]

Something. Oh, something on track.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, something.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, for sure.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And so I think I want to get. Cause I think I'm like, what's the most anti Singer thing possible? And not a gun. I'm gonna.

[Matt Farah]

That would just be mean.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I'm gonna try and get a, like a ZR1.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, they're cool. That would be fun.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Be super cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's the opposite, you know, It's a mass market. It's, It's. Yeah, it's too cheap. And the interior is not Singer.

[Matt Farah]

Did you go on the launch? No, I'm driving one in two weeks for performance car of the year.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, cool.

[Matt Farah]

I'm pretty excited.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I, I, I, I had a long talk with Chevy. I'm like, remember when, like, every. No one liked a Camaro and I liked a Camaro. Like, you guys should give me cars again.

[Matt Farah]

Like, I, I don't know if they're sending us the X or the regular one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But they need, they need, they need to sit, sit down and they need someone to say 01 good. 01 x fax machine. That's a terrible name.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, no, the name is not, not great.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The name is just so like, come.

[Matt Farah]

On, Zoro was cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Why not Zora? It was cool, but also like they need to get over like, like I have all these people like asking me questions like, dude, should I get the LT1 or the LT2? I'm like, oh. I just, those names turn me off.

[Matt Farah]

GM has like a half a century of all awful naming.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But like it's weird cuz like 01 good. L88 good. 01x terrible.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know, I, I, dude, you know what, for their, all their faults, Dodge can name a car, Dodge can name a car, name a car that they are a faulty company selling silly products. But man, can they come up with a good ass name of stuff.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Hellcat, Red Eye. Like it's great.

[Zach]

It's great.

[Matt Farah]

That's sell. You know how to sell a car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I want, that's why I was, I was, I was, I did that. I drove that McKellar's thing, which is really, really good.

[Matt Farah]

The what?

[Johnny Lieberman]

McKellos.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I've driven one of their cars before.

[Zach]

Yeah?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, years ago. It was like an RSR replica. That thing, that green thing, that's a Michelos and Porsche. It's a, it's a 72 911. This company in Escondido down San Diego, they are excellent at what they do. The problem is it's called McKella's. I drove the, they made a Bluebird. So they literally made a, a roof Yellowbird. They got a roof gearbox. They got a Yellowbird gearbox. And you know, The Yellowbird made 469 horsepower. Their car made 470. It was awesome. But I couldn't remember the name of the company. I'm always like, I drove this thing. I don't know. Like so funny.

[Matt Farah]

So this is a 72st.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, so it's, it's, it's, it's a, Instead of a 3. 2, it's punched out to 3.5. It's, it's great. It's just like, Is it a back.

[Matt Farah]

Date based on a g body?

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, 70.

[Matt Farah]

It's a 72.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's a 72. I should have taken a picture from the other side. It like instead of the oil flap, they, they, because they put s, they put wider st fender flares on it. So they got rid of the flap and they just have a, it has, it has like the, you can't see in this photo but it has the, you know, the singer style center fuel. So they did a miniature version of that for the oil.

[Zach]

Oil.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It says. Oh yeah, there's oil in German.

[Matt Farah]

That's cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, it's cool. They shouldn't have called it the ST. They got to change the name.

[Matt Farah]

McKellar gets sued.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's just, it's just, it's evocative of nothing. Like McKellar's like what it sounds.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I don't know, I'm not sure. The name doesn't mean anything but it's a lovely like clean looking car. So good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I was talking to Glucker. Glucker drove. I was talking to Glucker at your party last night. Like we just love this car. This is every air cooled itch I ever had. This car would scratch. Sadly it's, it's is 450 because that's what cars cost these days.

[Matt Farah]

Well, it's, it looks, I mean just to look at it here. Looks light and simple.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Check out the interior. Like it's woven awesomeness.

[Matt Farah]

The seats look great.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Seats are great as long as they.

[Matt Farah]

Fit in the shift.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You would fit. You would fit.

[Matt Farah]

I hate these four spoke steering wheels. I am not.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh really?

[Matt Farah]

I am not about that. Four spoke life.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Yeah, they remind me of Disneyland. Like you know, kids car ride.

[Matt Farah]

Rad racer. That's a rad racer steering wheel.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I didn't even think of about it. But I was like, I was talking.

[Matt Farah]

That's an easy thing to change. I mean you can, you know, that's, that's easy.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They'll do anything you want.

[Matt Farah]

Of course they will. I just, I happen to hate these forces but.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And like it's like good. It's like, it's like a 996 GT3 intake plenum.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

There's all kinds of cool stuff in the motor. But I was like change the name of the company to Mulholland. Is it.

[Matt Farah]

It's, it's based on a, it's based on nothing. It's based on like. No, no, the engine. Is it, is it a993?

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's a3 2. So it's a, so it's a Carrera engine. Yeah, it's a Carrera engine. 3.2 punched out to 3.5. But it's like, it's like again, it's like it has a 996 intake plenum GT3 intake plenum. It has like 993 turbo. This fuck. Oh, it's great. Oh, it's such a great car. And I had Magnus drive it and so he drove it from his warehouse to the Shell station. He's like, ah, mates, nothing, baba. You know, I've driven a million cars like this. Nothing special about it at all. I was like, yeah, I like driving it around town. But I, I hear what you're saying. We went up on the crest and he's just ripping back and forth and, and, and despite what anyone might think, Magnus can drive a 911.

[Matt Farah]

Like, yeah, he's fast.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, he is fast. And he comes in, he's like, oh mate, it's a lot better at speed, isn't it? You know, I was like, yeah, it really is. Like, it's, it's. And it's big fat sidewalls, you know, like the ride quality is awesome and it's, it's just a great car. You should totally put your hand up and be like, like Michelis. Let me make a video with this car. It's great.

[Matt Farah]

We. So the problem is with, for making a videos with this or just review.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It driving around for Instagram, whatever.

[Matt Farah]

They really, the nuances of one Porsche to another never really come through. Right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's awesome because I, I have four custom Porsches in a row.

[Matt Farah]

Video.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I'm gonna kill my 30.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

A few years ago, this thing which was fun.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, that thing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The name is Terry.

[Matt Farah]

You drove that straight? Zach drove it. I didn't drive it.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

It was like stripe on it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was quick. Was it cool?

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

It was cool and quick and I drove there. They had like an rsr27 replica thing I drove. It was like an art car. It was done pretty well. Now I would, I will admit I did a video of that when I drove it. It was like the first air cooled Porsche I ever drove. So people are experts and they have problems with that car. Don't come at me, bro. But this thing was my introduction to the 930. Had modern tires, it was like 400ish horsepower. And it was a really fun time. Felt as precise as any old Porsche does. And I think they do pretty high quality work, especially their bodywork stuff. They do metal fenders, things like that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They gotta come up with an identity because it's not, it's not enough. Like McKellar's is. It's just a bad name. And the guy, Max, I forget his last name. It's not Michellos. I don't know why? It's.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah, really? That's a name that was made up.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't know. I don't know. But like I said, Mulholland. Just be Mulholland. It's an M. And like, it's evocative. It means something to portrait people.

[Matt Farah]

You gotta figure that one out.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, but like, they do such good work. Like, I've driven two of them now and I love them both, but I can't remember. Mekellos. I don't even know how to spell it.

[Zach]

It.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It sounds like a diner. Oh, it does.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

It was started by someone named Tom Mule.

[Zach]

Yeah. And Mark.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

And Mark Strack.

[Zach]

I mean. Yeah.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

No one there is named.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Why Michelis. It's not good sound.

[Matt Farah]

It does sound like I'm going to order a gyro.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

But wasn't it like. There's a lot of names that are famous now because it was a combination of like three engineers.

[Zach]

Mr.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But McKella's ain't it. It ain't it. You don't. But like, like Gunther Works is totally made up and contrived and silly. But it works. It's smart.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it did. Singer sounded a little silly in the beginning and I said it, started saying it a few times and now I sort of take it for.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay, it's a thing. Like they had to come up with a story. Do you know the Gunther story that like.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Like they had to come up with something, you know?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And so it works.

[Matt Farah]

So they came up with something German.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Well, but it was. There was a guy named Gunther. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So like, but like, there ain't nobody at Gunther working at Gunther Works.

[Johnny Lieberman]

There's no one German. There couldn't be a less German company as far as I know. It's like Middle Eastern, Scottish and Chinese.

[Zach]

Yeah. You know? Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But it works.

[Matt Farah]

A good cross section of Southern California.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Mulholland. Even though they're in San Diego, you call the cars Mulholland.

[Matt Farah]

I feel bad. I don't want to spend too much time crapping on their name. I hope they build nice cars.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They build seriously great cars.

[Matt Farah]

Names an easier thing to change than building shitty cars.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Don't call it the st. Call it something something. It's make.

[Matt Farah]

You know, look at the. I mean, look at their website. Their website's geocities. Oh, it's not.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

No, that. That's Flat six.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This is Flat six.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, sorry.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Their website looks like.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, yeah, that. That's the website I'm talking about. Oh, that's a. That's that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's. I think that's the car I drove. That's the yellow bird. The Bluebird. That one.

[Matt Farah]

That one looks. Looks pretty stancy. Looks good Ducktail.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You would love.

[Matt Farah]

It's got like a 934front bumper on it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You would love this car.

[Matt Farah]

It was such.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But it was one of those things. I drove it, I wrote about it, I said how much I loved it. I couldn't remember what it was called.

[Matt Farah]

That's a problem. You had one job.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Well, you have two jobs.

[Matt Farah]

We have an easy thing to fix. But we do have a problem.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So good stuff. Good stuff.

[Matt Farah]

That is geocities ass website.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Should we try experiment three?

[Johnny Lieberman]

I think so at this point.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Experiment three is. This will be interesting.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

This looks like the piss of someone who has a kidney issue.

[Matt Farah]

Oh boy. Experiment three for people watching.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Well said.

[Matt Farah]

Listening rather is same two years aged.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's a two year.

[Matt Farah]

It says two years.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's not even legally bourbon. That's just an American whiskey which is going to be gross.

[Matt Farah]

But go ahead a tiny little bit.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Just a tiny, tiny.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Kentucky versus Scotland.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, do you want to. I would love like an eight year Kentucky versus Scotland.

[Matt Farah]

Well, this is what we have. So.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So what does that mean though?

[Matt Farah]

Climate effects. The same whiskey aged in identical barrels matured in different parts of the world.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Why it's also hard to understand both.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. But I assume he sent something where we would actually be able to taste the difference.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

So we're going to start with Scotland.

[Johnny Lieberman]

What's the guy's name? Andrew.

[Matt Farah]

Andrew.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Andrew. Do it again with an eight year.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

He can't strip it out.

[Matt Farah]

Two years doing a small. It's a small little two year.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Like.

[Zach]

Like. All right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

I think we did director of whiskey research.

[Johnny Lieberman]

What Pretty.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

It's cool though.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Actually it doesn't smell bad at all. It doesn't smell bad.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I don't need extra.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I know. Just.

[Matt Farah]

You seem like you didn't have enough problem.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I could use a little more.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I didn't drink last.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I will.

[Matt Farah]

I will tell you this.

[Johnny Lieberman]

When you're tasting something, if you have like too little, it kind of evaporates on your lips. You don't get to like swallow it.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I think you need two sips. Like that's. You need at least that one sip something.

[Zach]

All right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So this is Scotland actually smells nice. Smells like scotch. You get like that canned vegetable smell. You know what I think about green beans in it.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

All scotch to me. Always has, like, canned vegetables.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

That's the most talking.

[Zach]

But that's why I don't like scotch.

[Matt Farah]

This doesn't taste that bad. It's got a little more Pete in it.

[Zach]

It's. It's.

[Matt Farah]

It does actually.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Well, I don't think it has Pete.

[Matt Farah]

In it, but Pete, it does taste Scotchy. No, not to you guys.

[Johnny Lieberman]

If I ordered this, it's hard. I would drink this and never think about it again as long as I live.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

The second half is not great.

[Matt Farah]

No, it's not. It's not good. But like, compared to what we've been drinking, it tastes more like scotch than. It does taste like bourbon.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

So second half tastes like burnt marshmallow, though.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

So remember on the first half though, it was Scotch.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Ish.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

And then the turn or like the river. It's like very.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, like, we're not rating this for bourbon spectators. It's just like. Does taste more like.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So what I believe is happening here is we have a what may one day be a bourbon. Can't be a bourbon because it's only two years old. So it's corn based. Which was sent to Scotland to age. So it means there's no heat, there's no nothing. I think it went to boarding school.

[Matt Farah]

And also I got kicked out of its.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I'm sending you to military school.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I would also guess though I would also guess this was put in new barrels in America and sent to Scotland to age.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Scotch is only made mostly 90. Over 90% is made in used bourbon barrels. So they've been cycled once. So the vanilla, the sweet you're picking up is because you never get that out of a scotch.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, so you suspect that this experiment had an American barrel sent to Scotland.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They filled it up in America and they sent it to Scotland to aid. So it's a virgin oak barrel.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I like this game. I want Andrew to respond truthfully because it'd be cool if you picked.

[Zach]

Check it out.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, I'm almost positive. But yeah, it's. It's. It's kind of gross because isn't it like with.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

With wine? Like French oak adds a lot of the vanilla flavor. Not American oak. They have different taste profiles.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Also the French just. They don't like Stepford Wives love butter bomb Chardonnay. I don't know what else to tell you. There's no. Because you get a French Chardonnay is delicious.

[Matt Farah]

They can't treat themselves themselves to candy and desserts and stuff all the time. They're always on a diet. They're getting it from the shark.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I'll tell you off air how true that is.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But, like, you know, champagne, like, really good champagne, all French champagne is mostly Chardonnay grapes. You know what I mean? It's like the grapes are delicious. Yeah. Like, the best thing I've ever put in my mouth, ever. Krug88.

[Zach]

Oh, dude.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I was with Koblets and Coblets was rolling, and he bought a bottle of Krug 88. Which.

[Matt Farah]

What's so. Okay, well, here, big question.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We're now. I'm with Zach.

[Matt Farah]

88 is now. Like, that's old.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Old.

[Matt Farah]

Like, that's now a long time ago. Is that beyond drinkable? It's not.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I was at a dinner because I.

[Matt Farah]

Tried a Dom 88 that was turned.

[Zach]

Oh, why?

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Windows turned.

[Matt Farah]

Even though it had been kept.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It could have. I just had. A very kind friend of mine sent me a bottle of 1980 Dom Perignon because my wife was born in 1980 for her birthday, and God damn, that was good.

[Matt Farah]

Really? Okay, maybe this is just this bottle.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, it depends how it's stored. A lot of it.

[Matt Farah]

But, like, my parents can't be trusted to do the right thing when it comes to wine.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

It's stored vertically. It's game over. With white wine, it's like a year.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You do well, you wanted.

[Matt Farah]

It wouldn't have been stored vertically. But, like, look, you. Zach, you know, my parents, they don't drink. They don't drink, and they couldn't.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They.

[Matt Farah]

They can't be trusted to.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yes.

[Matt Farah]

We take the perfect care of something.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We put the wine outside for the summer.

[Matt Farah]

But they're not hopeless. But they. Whatever extra care that bottle would have needed, they wouldn't have done it.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

But, like, I looked it up. Champagne is very high in acid, and that protects it over a long period of time, versus if you try to store like. Like Sav Blanc or Chardonnay or something like that for a long time, even on its side, it's probably more likely to go badged.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I mean, so. So, you know, the preservative in wine, there really isn't any, except for the alcohol. So white wines tend to be lower alcohol than red wines, so they just don't age as well. And, you know, like, beer that's heavily hopped can age a long time. Budweiser cannot age. Budweiser's over 30 days old. It just turns in the can.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

One day old is bad.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Fresh Budweiser tastes like Green Jelly Ranchers.

[Zach]

Pretty good. Good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Very good.

[Zach]

Chance.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Yeah, I want to. I Want to go to.

[Johnny Lieberman]

How fresh do I.

[Matt Farah]

Does it have to be to get that? You talking about real fresh or you talking about going to the brewery?

[Johnny Lieberman]

If you can figure out like they, they can it and they, they send it to the liquor store across the street. Like, it's called acetyl aldehyde. It's just a flavor component that the yeast kicks off and you get, you know, just, you get a fresh Budweiser. It's pretty, pretty tasty.

[Matt Farah]

I couldn't tell you the last time. I must have been college.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Where I drank an actual raw dog Budweiser.

[Johnny Lieberman]

There was a moment.

[Matt Farah]

Not. This is not because I'm a beer snob. I'm not a beer.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Why would you buy. Yeah, why would you buy.

[Matt Farah]

Why? Yeah, why would I ever buy a Budweiser? I don't know.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I, I almost had a beer show at one point in my life. And one of the segments, one of the segments I wanted to do was I wanted to get the physical ingredients of like, all right, so you know, they make Budweiser in like gabillion gallon batches. But like, okay, here's what is actually in a can of beer. Here's the amount of grain. And Budweiser is also like, it's like, it's like 66% grain, 33% rice or something like that. Here's the amount of hops. And then get like Budweiser next to Stella, next to Coors next to. And it would literally, you'd be like, oh my God, they're all exactly the same. There's no difference in ingredients at all between like mainstream fizzy lagers. It's like literally they hop em just to the point of human perception of hops. So if you could taste the bitterness, they go down one level. Cause the hops are just a cheap preservative.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And they're all all same. Budweiser uses rice and I think, I think 100% of the rice crop of Mississippi is used by Budweiser and Coors and, and Miller use corn as an adjunct. And, and everyone else uses corn.

[Matt Farah]

So.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And then Japanese beers use rice as an adjunct.

[Zach]

All right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

For loggers.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Japanese beer I'm into.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I do love me can be good. Do love me Sapporo.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They use rice.

[Matt Farah]

Do love me a Kieran.

[Johnny Lieberman]

If I were to show you light.

[Matt Farah]

Kieran Light I like a lot.

[Johnny Lieberman]

If I were to show you a p. Karen ingredients and a pile of Budweiser, you'd be like, probably the same thing.

[Matt Farah]

They're probably the Same thing.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I am easily influenced by labels.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Let's do the two year Kentucky and taste.

[Matt Farah]

All right, let's see. Because the last one, honestly, the second sip, the second half of the second sip was very bad.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I think we should have gone from two years to six years.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But yeah, we're in and out this backwards right now.

[Matt Farah]

We're going two years to six years.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's could.

[Matt Farah]

It's Scotland.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, he's saying, he's saying we should have started with the two year Scotland, Kentucky. Worked our way up to the six years. I did it.

[Matt Farah]

He sent me one, two, three, and I did it in the order it was provided.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This guy's.

[Matt Farah]

I had no, I had, I had no agency here, dude. I can't not follow the instructions.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Life is predetermined that far.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But so, so again, what's the difference? It gets real hot in Kentucky and they probably get about the same cold because it does snow in Kentucky. Real bitterly cold. Cold in Scotland, you know, it's not icy, but it gets cold. Seems like a different color, but it gets real.

[Matt Farah]

Does it seem like a different color?

[Johnny Lieberman]

It seems darker.

[Matt Farah]

Seems darker.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, because it'll have more contact going in and out, I would guess.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Smells far more woody and I know that's not a great descriptor.

[Matt Farah]

Whoa. Way different.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It smells far more gross.

[Matt Farah]

It doesn't smell good. It smells like a lot different though.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It smells like medicine.

[Matt Farah]

Kind of cough syrup.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Take this. You have a cough?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, cough syrup.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Berman, smell like.

[Matt Farah]

I'm gonna try syrup.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

The best ones just smell like that. They don't taste like it, but from there it's all downhill.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, that's not good. This smells. This tastes like frenette branca.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, God.

[Matt Farah]

It's. It's not good.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Can't do that.

[Matt Farah]

It's not good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No. All right, abort. Lousy.

[Matt Farah]

Nevertheless, man, what did we learn? Char 4 Six year old.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, that, that was good.

[Matt Farah]

This guy, this right here.

[Zach]

Here.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Mr. Andrew, if you're listening, here's what we're gonna do. Send me a DM and tell me what distillery that came from.

[Matt Farah]

This is the bottle pour out. We're gonna, we're gonna celebrate that we've completed the experiment by finishing the second half of the only thing in here that actually really tasted great.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, it was really, really good.

[Matt Farah]

Does that work for you, Zach?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, yeah, I sort of.

[Matt Farah]

I do appreciate. I mean, look, they. We were able to taste differences from the. These experiments, dude.

[Johnny Lieberman]

One of the fully. One of the wildest, most just amazing moments of my Life was. I did this crazy video with. With. With Bentley and went to the Bentley distillery and I got to hang out with the. The ma.

[Matt Farah]

The.

[Zach]

The.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The master distiller at McAllen. And it was just so enlightening because what they do, what this guy does, and now it's a woman. But every day is. Is they. They get like a hundred or hundreds of samples of just barrels, right? And what they do there is they water them down to 20 alcohol. So they're, you know, barrel strength is probably 53% with scotch and they water them down to 20 because they never, ever, ever taste. That's a. So with bourbon you taste.

[Zach]

With.

[Johnny Lieberman]

With Scotch you smell and interesting.

[Matt Farah]

And they smell.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And so they're like Macallan tenure here. There's 20. 20 different barrels make up a bottling of Macallan tenure. And you need to have four that smell like grass, and you need to have four that smell like wheat or whatever. And. And they just smell all day. And then if something is like, oh, that's good, like, put that one back and maybe it can be part of a 12 year.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, it sucks. That becomes famous grouse and like, oh, that's exceptional. That. That we might put into like the 20 year program.

[Matt Farah]

And it's just all the same shit just based on vibes. Smell.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And so like 25% of human beings are super tasters. Just have a better sense of smell and taste than other people. They find these in Scotland. They find you in high school, you know, and they say, hey, you want. You want to maybe do this? Like, you can start sweeping up at the distillery and like, maybe one day you'll become the master distiller.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

How did they find. Do they have a restaurant out in the mountains and they like, you know, they. They cook burgers and then someone who wanders over, they're like, you found this literally the one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Because it's a. Such are part of the economy. They literally administer like, you know, you took the sat. They take a taste test in Scotland.

[Matt Farah]

It's the. It's the. The nsat. It's the nasal. The nasal skills aptitude test.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

But it was.

[Matt Farah]

It was so wild because I got.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I got to sit there and smell like all these different things.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

And why do they smell. But Kentucky tastes. Is that alcoholism?

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's alcoholism, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

We don't waste it down here.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

We're underpaid in this country. He's like, I'm gonna drink it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know. You know what it is? Yeah, it's just. It's just culturally different but also like, you know, like if you go to McAllen, they make a McAllen 10, 12, 15. Now they make like a 17, 18, there's a 21, there's a 25 and there's a 30. And like if you go to like, you know, mictters, they make like a couple different things but really like there's not that much. This, you know, this is not much to do as much. And so they, they're just like, they don't want them drinking. I don't know. It works the same, you get the same end result.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I wonder if they really realized genuinely like, you know, your olfactory, like your, your nose glands, they can reset. But if you're sipping, does your palate re truly reset? Do you slowly get a little bit drunk?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Does it have caused a little bit drunk.

[Matt Farah]

You get drunk and it's gotta linger a little longer too.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That said though, I've. I've picked barrels with master distillers at, you know, Kentucky distilleries and like it's way more fun to taste.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Smelling 20 alcohol mixes like who the.

[Matt Farah]

Gets into the booze business to not get a little shitty at.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Now hang on, now hang on. Let me, let me back this up and also say that we went to. If you look at a bottle of Macallan, there's a house on it, the Easter Elkies house. And we walked in, they go, they go, your country was founded in 1776. This house was built in 1700. Just ah.

[Matt Farah]

They like to tell us that.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And then we sit down, we know that about ourselves.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And then it's not over there, it's not White Dog. It's called something else. Or maybe it's here it's White Lightning and over there it's White Dog. Anyhow, they had that. But then they had 15, 15, 18, 21, 25 year old McAllen with dinner. So we're drinking that and then we retire up to the study and the.

[Matt Farah]

Women will go, oh, there was no women.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Trust me. This is cars and whiskey. There's no women anywhere.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

None of us have had sex for years and. And we're fucking bored. That's why we got all these whiskey.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So this. I'm blanking on his name. God damn it. It was his job title.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I'd give anything to smell panties again. That's Irish. I don't know what I'm doing.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Y guy's job title was master of Malts. From a. That was his job title. And he goes, yeah, open the cabinet. Any two bottles you see, we'll drink those. I open up, there's two 30 year old bottles fo and select. And I was like, these, he's like, I do, you know, hammered like a.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Lot of disposable income with no relationship.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Saying, I spent the night there, I spent the night at the Easter zel, you know, was.

[Matt Farah]

You had, you know. What he's trying to say is he passed out on the floor.

[Zach]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

[Matt Farah]

He was curled up with the golden retriever.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Allow me to finish, allow me to finish.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Johnny and the sheep.

[Johnny Lieberman]

There'S 30.

[Matt Farah]

I know why they're Irish. All of a sudden the rest of.

[Johnny Lieberman]

My crew out goes to bed. We're all sleeping in the house. So it's me and this guy. So he goes, so Johnny, have I convinced you? Is McCalla not the most aristocratic beverage you can drink, drink? And I said, yeah, I'm blanking on his name. Such a nice guy. I go, that's good. I, I gotta tell you, I'm, you know, I'm more of a bourbon guy. But I, I still like Highland Park. I love Highland Park.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I've always liked it's parts of Chicago.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And he goes, he goes, me too. He goes, you could never, never ever tell this deep secret. But, but McAllen bought Highland Park. There's a whiskey barrel with a plant on it. Pulls the plant off, opens the lid of the whiskey barrel, pulls out a 40 year bottle of Highland park park. And we drink and we crawled up on our like elbows and knees to our rooms, like.

[Matt Farah]

So if you're ever there, pick up.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The plant, hang on. And then, and then had to get up at 6am and film.

[Matt Farah]

Oh God. Oh, I haven't had one of those days in a very long time.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This was 13, 14 years ago.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

What is Highland Park? I don't know anything about.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Island park is just, it's an isle island whiskey. It had so. So McAllen is Speyside, very clean, no Pete whatsoever. Highland park, it's just very northern and I think there's a little bit, It's a little bit Peter. But it's not Laphroaig or. It's not Laphroaig or anything.

[Matt Farah]

It turns my whole body into a campfire.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Once a decade it's nice to have a glass of Laphroaig.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But the Island Park's just the shiz.

[Matt Farah]

Look at this, look at this photo of this. This horse.

[Zach]

Just.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Google mini horses wearing clothing. Have you seen this?

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I've seen mini horses on airplanes, which is also weird.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Scotland, because Tourism's down. They're. They're dressing up their mini horses and clothes, trying to get people to come to Scotland.

[Matt Farah]

You got to do what you got to do.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Look, the Instagram. Yeah, look. Oh, my God.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The power of. Look at the rabbi.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

The power of a young lady who sees a cute animal and her ability to buy a plane ticket.

[Matt Farah]

I tell you, Scott, Scotland rules.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Remember we were gonna go to Scotland.

[Matt Farah]

We.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We had the best.

[Matt Farah]

Fell apart. We had the best plan.

[Zach]

We were.

[Matt Farah]

We were gonna drive the. We were the only two people, whatever, they got invited to drive that evoluto thing.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

355.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You can remember names of things.

[Matt Farah]

And we were gonna.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And they. They invited us to Scotland.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It was in June.

[Matt Farah]

June.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Now it's August.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

They've invited us three times.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I hope we get to do it. But we were also gonna go shoot skeet at the Jackie Stewart Stewart Sporting Clay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But much more importantly, we're gonna drink a lot.

[Matt Farah]

A lot of whiskey at the. At the bet at the finest whiskey room in Scotland. I cannot wait to get back to. Zach is deep in the.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Zach.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I was told to look up.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Look at that guy. 160D there. 66. Sorry. 1680 D. Look at this guy.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

That horse looks terrified.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The horse has been doing cocaine.

[Zach]

Lads. Me.

[Matt Farah]

Good news. Before we get to. We got some Patreon questions. I'm sure we do.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Definitely.

[Matt Farah]

Before we get to them, my Lamborghini engine is in America.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, no kidding. Back in America. It's part of America. It's a big country.

[Matt Farah]

Port of Long beach snuck through the tariffs. Port of Long Beach. There are no tariffs. Cause after much and much back and forth, I was able to convince people that I, in fact, already owned this engine and it was not a new product.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, that's good.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I wish Amazon could have your power.

[Matt Farah]

Took way too long to be like, you don't understand. This is already my edge.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Couldn't you just say, like, look at the carburetors. And they go, oh, carburetors. That's old.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It doesn't have carburetors.

[Zach]

It doesn't.

[Matt Farah]

It's fuel injected.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Oh, I thought, okay, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But. But either way, it's here.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's great.

[Matt Farah]

It's here and it's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, how long?

[Matt Farah]

We don't know. We don't know. We don't know because who's getting it? It's going to go to Damien at Franco's European Sports Cars.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The way to do it.

[Matt Farah]

But Damien has, like, two projects ahead of me. But he was kind enough to agree to receive the engine in the crate. So at least I don't have to do the double shuffle with that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Have you been there?

[Matt Farah]

It's small.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Have you seen the old guy with the shims?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You walk in, there's this old Italian dude with like, I don't know, 260 shims on a keychain, and he's got, like, you know, quarter mil, fifth of a mil, whatever. He could shim all the old Ferraris.

[Matt Farah]

This is how you set valves on.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Fortunately, like, my car shouldn't need a valve adjustment. Adjustment for at least like 15 years at this point.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Better not freaking.

[Matt Farah]

No, no. I saw a video on the dyno is running. It was running smooth. They didn't actually, like, measure the power, but they ran it on an engine dyno to like, you know, I mean.

[Johnny Lieberman]

86 is supposed to be 475 or 88, so 4. 470. So 475, something like that.

[Zach]

I.

[Matt Farah]

Mine's injected, so I think it's 445, not 475, but whatever.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, that's enough for.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So, you know, we tried to do the semi Euro conversion and they couldn't do it now. They couldn't because they were like, kind of like. I don't know what they told you, but in 88, like, there's no actual difference between a Euro and a US car. But the injected cars, unless you, like, fully convert them to Euro, which actually means different heads and a different compression ratio, like, you just, like, you can't do it. Like, you can't do, like, just cams without this other shit. You can't do just this without that. So he's like, the best we can do is make it, like the most optimized that it could possibly be perfect in what it is.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And Damien's great too. He can.

[Zach]

He.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He keeps those cars humming along just fine. I've driven a lot of his cars.

[Matt Farah]

They're good. The real question is what part will be missing. We're gonna find out that something is missing, and I don't know what it is. And it's going to be a very interesting thing to find out.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I mean, the Countach V12 probably has the most parts of any engine.

[Matt Farah]

Well, the engine is complete. I mean, look, engine and gearbox are complete, so nothing in the engine is missing, but, like, the whole suspension is disassembled, the whole wiring is disassembled.

[Zach]

The whole.

[Matt Farah]

Everything is disassembled.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, the wiring, that's killer.

[Matt Farah]

We'll see.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Good luck. I wish you luck. We'll see.

[Matt Farah]

It's going to be. It's going to be an adventure.

[Johnny Lieberman]

If I may, before we get to.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, what do you got? Oh, you got your event coming.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Cars and Coffee. So me and sang. We've been doing this Cars and Coffee quarterly. Now it's looking like at the third.

[Matt Farah]

Or the fourth one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's gonna be the third.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. I couldn't come to the second because I think I was in Italy.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It was the. Everyone was out of town. It was actually really fun. It was really nice. It was. It was. I won't name names, but it was. It was the day of the. The. The riot in downtown la. So a lot of people are like, I don't think I can risk coming. I'm like, yeah, man. Like. And like, I was just like, I.

[Matt Farah]

Can'T be 15 miles from the two blocks where. Where people throwing little rainbow on fire.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Exactly.

[Matt Farah]

Which is objectively funny, even if you're a leftist.

[Zach]

Yes, yes.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, the Waymo and Fire was kind of great, but we got Cars and Bids came on as a sponsor, which is really. And they reached out. I didn't have to do anything. And they were like, hey, we like what you're up to. This is our kind of event. And. And what's. What I like about what we've been doing at the Helms Bakery, Cars and Coffee is that it's not like, you know, 50 paganis. It's not that kind of show. It's just like. It's just a good mix of everything. Everything. And yeah, it's Cars and Bids. So it's like, I'm.

[Zach]

I'm into it.

[Matt Farah]

I went to their Cars and coffee at Pebble. Yeah, I heard it was good Saturday morning.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, it was fun.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was fun. It was a good. A good scene going on. I never met Filippo, who I really like.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I met Dan Hart.

[Matt Farah]

Dan is cool. Yeah, Dan the CEO. He's cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I like him.

[Matt Farah]

I like Dan. I hadn't met Flippa, who I do like. Canon Cannon's all awesome. What's funny is, like, Doug was there. Like, later. I. I had to, like, leave to go take Hannah to the airport because she was flying home, but Doug got there later.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But I. I mean, there.

[Matt Farah]

It was a nice event.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They were good. If they're just.

[Matt Farah]

If they're going to do the same thing that they did there, which is just basically set up the thing and help you.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's exactly right.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They just. They just want you Know, they. They look, they're. They want to compete with. Bring a trailer. Bring a trailer's been around longer.

[Matt Farah]

They're bigger.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They.

[Matt Farah]

They're just doing what they can.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So then. And they. And they, you know, they understand what that. Helms Bakery, Cars and coffee. It's like, pretty grassroots, but it's like the demographic that would buy cars from an auction site online.

[Matt Farah]

Are you guys also using the lot on the north side of Venice?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Everything.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, so it's the lots between the buildings.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The lot in front of the big lighting store.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

On Venice. And the lot across Venice Boulevard.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Two lots across Venice.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And, you know, the first, a little.

[Matt Farah]

Inside baseball, if you're not from L. A. But this part's important.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So.

[Matt Farah]

So it's not immediately obvious if you do.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The show is in the lots in the Helms Bakery complex.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

There was overflow show across the street. I never walked over there, but that was going on. There was also, like, four blocks down Venice, but also on Washington. Apparently, there was cars parked down there.

[Matt Farah]

Really? Yeah, it was far.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And then, you know, the second one was funny because it was like. It was. Again, it was like. Like June 8th, everyone's on vacation. Slash, the riots were happening. Riots in quotes. And. But it was still really well attended, you know, and so it's. It's. It's cool. And.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

And most importantly, hard to get a waymo that day.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Hard to get a waymo. But we have coffee available at. Starting at 7:00am that.

[Matt Farah]

See, this is important.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This is very important.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Because the people who get there early to.

[Johnny Lieberman]

To. To.

[Matt Farah]

To be those people that are there early, we need a beverage.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So the first time.

[Matt Farah]

The talent that arrives and brings talent, we just need.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We didn't know the first time.

[Matt Farah]

Almost nobody gets this right, by the way.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The number of car shows that I've been to that are put on by professional organizations where I'm asked to show a car.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And I'm happy to do it. And I go. And I get there. They go, when can I be there? Well, between 7 and 7:30. I'm there at 7:02.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Give me a cup of coffee.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Have that. Right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know, the first time we did it, we didn't do a ton of thinking, but we said, let's go from 8 to 10. That seems like a fine amount of time for cars and coffee. Well, everybody showed up at 7:02.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And saying he didn't know. So, like, to have coffee at 7 means he has to have two employees get there at 6:30.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And he didn't have that.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, I get it now.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We got it.

[Matt Farah]

I get it. No, you guys are figuring it out in real time. And I'm not bitching about you.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And just saying that if you're out there and you're the kind of person who's gonna put on events in your town, have coffee if the event starts at eight, but you have a load in for feature cars that starts at 7, your coffee start starts at 7. It doesn't start at 8.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We learned that the first time. We corrected it. It was fine. And I think we have coffee and breakfast burritos starting at 7.

[Matt Farah]

Breakfast burritos are good.

[Zach]

Oh, dude.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, saying, you know, the food at the food at Helms Bakery is really good. I. So I sat down with Scott, who is Scott's Malibu Market, who's in.

[Johnny Lieberman]

In the form. I went there for the first time.

[Matt Farah]

Yesterday of Bills and I. And I was boycotting for a while because of. In support of Bill. And after a while, I realized that, like, boycotting in support of Bill does nothing for Bill, does nothing for Bill, does nothing for me, does nothing for Scott. It does nothing for anybody, honestly.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right, right.

[Matt Farah]

And Scott is a. Is a good guy. And especially after the fires, their whole. The whole everything up there was so fucked. So anyway, but I was asking him, I was like, all right, why is it? Because this guy's pretty good at making breakfast. I go, why. Why can't we have bacon egg at cheese. A New York style bacon cheese.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Kaiser roll.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And he said, dude, can't do a Kaiser roll.

[Matt Farah]

The kaiser rolls don't exist here.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Let me tell you what, who has.

[Matt Farah]

A Kaiser role here?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Brent's.

[Matt Farah]

Brent's, Brent's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Where are they? That's the problem is where are they? But so if I may. If I may plug my YouTube channel, me and Sang just shot an episode where we were. Let's figure out the best pastrami sandwich in la.

[Zach]

Okay?

[Johnny Lieberman]

So it's me and saying went to Langers, went to camp, went to Brent's, and Brent's has a sandwich called the 555, which is a kaiser roll. I think they bake the bread themselves. And Sang was really. I don't know how much time you spent with Sang, but like, I took him to Pizzeria, say, which is like number one on every list of best pizza in the world.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And he's like, what do you think? He's like, you can tell the chef has some fine dining experience. That's all he would say. He wouldn't say it was good. And he's eating.

[Matt Farah]

It's like me bringing Christian to a concert.

[Johnny Lieberman]

This is all the time.

[Matt Farah]

It's a brutal experience. Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So he eats the 555, and he's like, this is one of the best sandwiches I've ever eaten. I'm gonna call this the 1010 10. You know, I can't even tell you how good this sandwich is.

[Matt Farah]

This is the pastrami.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's called the 555. So it's a kaiser roll. It's pastrami, but they don't make a.

[Matt Farah]

Bacon, egg, and cheese there. We're just talking about the existence of the roll.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I might do a bacon, egg, and cheese.

[Matt Farah]

Can you just buy the rolls?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, I think you can.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I think you can.

[Matt Farah]

All right, now we're getting somewhere.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Problem with Brent's is it's in this weird Bermuda where somehow it's 20 minutes from any freeway.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I know what you mean.

[Zach]

That sucks.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's just. It's hard to get to.

[Matt Farah]

I. But I have a solution for this. My solution for this is that Thaddeus works for Marco and has to commute down here so Thaddeus can stop and pick us up the kaiser rolls if I agree to make a bacon, egg, and cheese on the other end, which I would. Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And then the other Brent has a location. Westlake.

[Matt Farah]

So if you're ever out there, boy.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It takes as long to get to Westlake as it does. It's a Northridge because you're off the freeway for 20 minutes and, like, you know. But the West Lake one, I do a lot of stuff out in Malibu. It's just on the side of the hill. You know, it's literally where Decker ends, is maybe if I'm playing golf.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

All right, so kaiser roll does exist here somewhere.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Just Brent. All right. I can't explain how good Brent is.

[Matt Farah]

Well, I'm gonna need some kaiser rolls, and when I go to get them, I'll get one of these sandwiches and we'll try it. Let's go to the people. Patreon.com the Smokingtirepodcast. It's where you ask questions for the show. It's where you watch the live stream once Zach rebuilds the studio. It's where you catch the show before.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Everyone else gets it.

[Matt Farah]

Or get the show without ads, get extra shows, etc. Etc.

[Zach]

Et Etc.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Etc.

[Matt Farah]

Etc. Zach, can I have the questions, please? Utah presents the Soaking tire.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Who's bouncing the bed? Who's bouncing the mattress?

[Matt Farah]

Oh, oh. This is a Mormon. This is a Mormon sex show.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

If you don't move.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, right.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And you get your, your roommate who's.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

To bounce the bed.

[Zach]

That's it.

[Matt Farah]

They request Johnny for more culinary content.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, I mean like, hey, on Driving with Johnny we're gonna have me and Sang and Sang's a real celebrity chef eating pastrami and hopefully it's the first of many of. Of food and car. I got, I got an S class to. To drive us. So I was like pastrami eaters. Like Mercedes S classes.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I do like Jewish people driving German cars.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Jewish people driving a J car. I mean, what more do you need?

[Matt Farah]

How were you able to restrain him?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Sang.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, Joke wise.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know what was funny was. And I love saying, but like you turn the camera, you know, some people like aren't themselves. He wasn' himself.

[Matt Farah]

That's the problem with a lot of people.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He wasn't like, he wasn't like, shalom, you and I.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

He has a business he wants to keep in existence.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He wasn't. He wasn't doing like, you know, Auschwitz jokes, which is uncharacteristic. So yeah, I should, I should actually, you know, Mr. Soaking Tire, because your name's so good. I will do a bread making video and I will put it on Driving with Johnny. Baking with Johnny.

[Zach]

You should.

[Matt Farah]

I do. I was doing the smoking fryer during.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Smoking Fryer was awesome.

[Matt Farah]

It was fun. I never made videos of it. I was just doing. But people do like my ragu recipe.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I, I had like my only like million view video was I just did like how to make bread really during the pandemic and it was, you know, just went viral. It was crazy.

[Matt Farah]

You should make some bread and then I will make the ragu and we can have a, we can have a serious Roman bread. A serious situation going. I make a cauldron of ragu.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

It takes the ragu.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

You're like just.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't Bread bowl.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I don't do that much of both.

[Matt Farah]

I'm just, I want, I want it on a big fat slice of.

[Zach]

Oh ye. I can do that. I.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know, Mr. Simarosti who owns Providence, who by the way, got his third mission.

[Matt Farah]

I saw that. Sick. That meal was so good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He was making a porchetta at his house one time and I just took slices of some bread I made and just put it under the slowly rolling pork as it dripped onto it. Kind of the best Thing I ever.

[Matt Farah]

Just pork fat hour of pork fat.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Dripping on the under that's like like.

[Matt Farah]

Bone marrow bread seems like yeah that's next level.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So yes I will just some food.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah we should do some more, we should do some more food content. Mike. I, I, I made Benny hana for the dollop guys. I wonder if they can do anything with that. Michael Cosgrove says would Johnny buy another new EV today?

[Johnny Lieberman]

I would buy another Rivan. I love my Rivian so much. I don't even care that I lost a little bit of money on it. I, I mean it has 36000 miles and I think if I kb beat would be worth 60 grand and I, I paid 76 for it so whatever.

[Matt Farah]

That'S not so bad at all.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I would buy I here's the thing. It's so weird. Like I don't blindly like evs. I like good evs. I like evs that function as evs. You know what I mean? And like sure. And I, I just Rivian is, is just really good to own so I would 100% buy a brand new Rivian today. I don't know if I can afford it today but I would buy one.

[Zach]

Today if I could.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I wouldn't, I would probably lease a new one if it was within my lease budget and I, I, I'm. We'll see if I mean so far my Tycon experience has been like pretty good. Although I took it in for so dude, I had a, I had a bit of karma work for me the other day. I took the car in for service. There's there, there's a recall on the Tycon battery something something and owners were instructed to not charge the car to 100 blah blah. Took it in, they did the thing fine while you're and I had this weird problem where when it would be really hot outside and I would try to use the remote climate control like pre cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

In other words I'm getting in the car in five minutes, turn on the ac.

[Matt Farah]

Pre cool.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I would get an error in the app and it would say climate it would say cl, you know error not and then when I would go to get in the car to drive it after that it would think the air conditioning was on but it would not be blowing cold air. Oh that's bad. So the way I called, I called Calvin actually that's a good person to call. That's who you call.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He's the head of four door Porsches in North America.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's who you call. I privilege I guess, but I feel like whatever. Yeah. It was in the middle of Nevada. You gotta do what you gotta do. So he goes, okay, you gotta do a soft reset and that should fix it. So you basically get. Turn off the car, get out, lock, walk 100ft away for like three minutes.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And come back and it should work.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And it did. It totally did.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And that happened one other time after that I told the dealer and they couldn't reproduce it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Because of course they couldn't.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

This time I go to take the car in for the battery recall service. It happens.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, nice.

[Matt Farah]

Going to the dealer. On the way to the dealer.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Perfect.

[Matt Farah]

Normally, like the thing never happens in front of them.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

This one, it's on the way. So I go, don't turn the car off. It's doing it. Get out the thermometer. Like, check, you know, check it. It's blowing fresh air, not cold. Okay. Finally. So they figured out there's a sensor. That's fucked.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

Great. Replace that shit warranty. No problem.

[Zach]

Nice.

[Matt Farah]

Got the part in. Called me Friday afternoon at like 4:59pm and they're like, yo, I'm really sorry, but the part is bad. Bad. Like the replacement part. Oh, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know, so they just bought a bad batch of.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Like, can we keep the car till Tuesday? And so they're. So they're going to do it, but it's. But like it actually is like it was a real thing and they're fixing it for free. So there's my, there's my used Tycon update. But otherwise, otherwise so far, so good.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So the Rivian soft reset is much better. It's just. You just push in both thumb buttons for like a couple seconds and that's soft. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

So you can do it in the car.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right.

[Matt Farah]

So you got to get out of the.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Well some wheels and then you push in the left button next to the thumb wheel and hold the hazard button or something like that. That's the hard reset. Which I've only had to do once.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Hopefully I don't have to do a hard reset ever on, on my car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But yeah, I mean, every time you do a software update that's technically a hard reset, so.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, is it okay?

[Zach]

Yeah. All right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, mine does a lot, a lot.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, really?

[Matt Farah]

Hannah complains that like probably like three days a week week we get a pop up notification when she gets in the car in the morning that says there's been a software update. I mean, what I actually want is just to Turn off the notifications. Like I, I don't care that it's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Updated because like that's the thing is like, like that gen of, of of that. What Is it, the J1 platform or whatever it was, it was just released too soon. They're just still doing updates.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean, sure. It was in general. Like it doesn't bother me, it just bothers Hannah. Like you know, for, I mean, pop up when popup windows bother everybody who does. Who wants do it. You don't need to tell me, just do it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's the thing with the Rivian. Like it's such a special moment when you get the notification. Like there's an update available and it's like oh, what am I going to get? What am I. Because they, they just add such cool to the car, you know? And like they had one the other week that was like just bug fixes and didn't do anything special. It was kind of like eh, but like the one before that was awesome. Like, like full Google Maps and like all this cool.

[Zach]

Whoa. Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Really good.

[Matt Farah]

Let's see Buffett again. Warren says, I've looked around for R129s. Since you've talked about your experience with them and mentioned that they are likely bottomed out. Is the AMG worth the effort to find? Seems like they're pretty scarce. Well, by amg, if you just mean the sport package because There was an SL 500, there was an SL 600, there was no 63 or any of that shit. So if you're talking about the amg, the sport package cars, I don't think they're that hard to find. I mean probably a third to a half of all the R129s produced. The second half.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The cool wheels.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, they're. Dude, I'm going to tell a story that's going to make somebody look bad, but it's going to be funny.

[Zach]

Fine.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We went to this car, we're in this storytelling career.

[Matt Farah]

Not a specific person that I know. We went to a Cars and Coffee on Sunday that was put on by Myers Banks. It was cool. It was this like weird little store in Hollywood that's very much one of those like LA brands but you know, like 10 Manxes and a bunch of other random cars, some of which were incredibly cool. Like an original Jaguar D Type and some other stuff like that. Sure. That roll up it was like, okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Is there anything sexier than a detail? It really is the best.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So there's a, there's an a red R129SL 500 red tan wheels. Perfect. The right with the hard top.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Perfect, perfect, perfect.

[Matt Farah]

And I go to Hannah, I go, you see that one? I go, that one's just like ours that we have. But I go, there was like a $10,000 premium for red versus any other color.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, cool.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Whatever.

[Matt Farah]

Well, they park it and they get out of the car and it's a couple. And the woman is driving the car into the lawn. I assume it's her car. She can't. The back window is kind of fogged up. She doesn't want to park it. So she gets out, he gets in and parks it.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

And then once it's parked, they pull out a cooler and a lawn chair.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Perfect.

[Matt Farah]

Put them in front of the car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Cars and coffee and.

[Matt Farah]

And then they have pull out some microfibers and just start dry wiping the shit out of this thing. Cars and coffee, just dry wiping the whole car. And I'm just like, hannah, look at this. Like, oh, the whole thing with this car is the red paint. And they're just rubbing, rubbing dust into it. And then the last cherry on top is they go into the trunk and out of for sale side and put it on the window.

[Johnny Lieberman]

How much?

[Matt Farah]

Well, it was 25, 9.99, which is.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Dude.

[Matt Farah]

Which is almost. And it had the same miles was when I sold mine had like 55,000 miles. And I sold mine for 17 grand. And I was like, here we are like five years later, six years later, 10 bottomed out. To answer the question, that's a bottomed out car with a $10,000 premium for red. If it was silver, it's 17 grand.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They are such good cars.

[Matt Farah]

They look great.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Did you ever drive Kamesas with the manual?

[Matt Farah]

No, but I, I know what, it could be annoying.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It was so nice.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, probably.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, I, I, that was like, I was like. Because I just, I don't know why I just assumed that a Mercedes manual will be really bad. For some reason. It was so good. It was such a good car. Like, it was.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, here's a good one. Zach's underdrive underdrive pulley says. Oh, wait a second, hang on.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I'm kind of interested in this.

[Matt Farah]

This is going to be a very easy question from Kurt. Loves your Hellcat wide body track video. This is a video that's probably 7 or 8 years old at this point.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

What would you do to help it turn in and break better? And how much power should it have to help with its power to weight ratio? I go To Club Motorsports Palmer, Watkins, Glenn and Thompson.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Wow. Stay away from Watkins with that car. I mean there, the, the. The steering box on the. Is he talking charger or Challenger? So the, the charger weirdly has a. Has a better steering box than the Challenger and there was a reason for it.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Better weight balance too.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So hopefully it's a chart charger. I mean brakes, you know, so heavy dude tires. But like if you, if you get those off the Pirellis and put them on like PS4s, brakes are better, the handling's better. It really revolutionizes the car.

[Matt Farah]

I've never driven one that wasn't a press car. So I've, I've never driven one off of a.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So I had a year long. I had one for a year and I finally put like. You know I figured out somebody who would give me free 305 width ps4s and it, it. I did the same thing with the Jag F type. It just made all of the world. Those Pirelli like they have no grip for whatever reason. That, that era of Pirelli that's a big thing to do.

[Matt Farah]

Battery good?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The, the. The brakes, I mean you. I would do like stainless steel lines and better fluid.

[Matt Farah]

Your usual brake stuff.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But I mean this car heavy.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I just love the question of how do I improve the power to weight ratio. It's like this has 700.

[Matt Farah]

It doesn't. No, it doesn't need that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Why?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Body set 797 by the way. So Michelins would, would help. I would. They're not great track car. I have had a lot of fun in canyons with Hellcat wide bodies.

[Matt Farah]

They're really fun 7/10 cars. They're not fun.

[Johnny Lieberman]

1010 even. But like even. I don't know. I would say I was going a little harder than seven. But like. Like passing a 911 that's you know thinks they're. They're cool and you're. You're in like a cop car. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

They're great. I love Hellcat chargers and Chargers and stuff.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

And the things we said will improve it but if you're looking to have like a real track car, it's not a track car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Did you drive the one? There was one in the LA fleet that was. It was like dark blue with black steelies. Did you ever see that one? I was. That's my dream.

[Matt Farah]

Literal steelies?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Black steel wheels.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

On a Hellcat.

[Johnny Lieberman]

On a Hellcat. It was not a.

[Matt Farah]

It was on a wide body.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It was an original Hellcat it was like a dark blue. It was like. It was like Detective spec Hellcat. It was so crazy. Oh, it's great.

[Matt Farah]

Zach's underdrive pulley says when cars have lightweighting packages where they remove £80, can you feel the difference when it's a £3,000 car? Yeah, I would say only if you drive the two cars back to back. If you don't drive the two cars back to back. Unlikely.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, but I mean, you know, 80. Eighty pounds, like, depends how it's distributed.

[Matt Farah]

Also, if it's 80 pounds of like unsprung weight or whatever.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So I, I just, I just did a. A video on my YouTube channel, Driving with John. We had the Corolla, the 25 versus my car, which is a 24.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But they only have automatics in the fleet right now, for God knows what Toyota's thinking. But so it has basically put 70 pounds on the front axle and, you know, huge difference. You could totally feel it. Again, they weigh basically the same. There's just £70 in one really bad spot.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So, yeah. And that's about a £3,200 car.

[Matt Farah]

You can also feel it if cars. For instance, if you drive two cars and one has like a glass roof. Oh, carbon roof.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Have you ever. I did that with.

[Matt Farah]

Because it's about where that weight is placed, not just that the weight exists.

[Zach]

Yeah, exactly.

[Matt Farah]

If you distribute 80 pounds evenly across a whole car, it's hard to tell. You probably can't tell the floor. Yeah. Like 80 off the roof or 80. 80 off the. You know.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah. But just on the front.

[Matt Farah]

£30 off the wheels. Like, wow. Huge difference.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I was just gonna say, like, you've probably experienced this and usually it's in lower power cars, but you put like me or you in the passenger seat of Miata and it really changes the car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I just took a. I just took a heavy friend for a ride in a light car.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And he was like, this is awesome. And I was like, you should see it without a you in it. You know? Exactly.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And I say that as a heavy guy, but. But I'm. Every car I drive has to default to me. I'm in it. So, like, people are all like, well, he's heavy. What is he? Dude, I'm in every car. So I, I'm a control sample. I'm not a variable.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right, right, right. Plus, you've lost like 30 pounds, so you're.

[Matt Farah]

You're 42.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Really?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

What do you weigh now?

[Matt Farah]

254.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Oh, fuck. I'm heavier than you. Oh, I'm 258.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah. If I get to 248, I'm. I. That's what I weighed as a junior in high school. That's what I'm doing. Trying to get to.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's also what I waited as a.

[Matt Farah]

Junior in high school.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I played football. I was very heavy.

[Matt Farah]

If we both get a 248, we could fight.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I don't want to fight.

[Matt Farah]

Let's not fight. If we both get to the same weight, we'll race December.

[Johnny Lieberman]

December.

[Matt Farah]

Then it will truly be. It will truly be a no excuses race.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

One of you claims 10 pounds on a difference in lap time.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I've already got all my excuses.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I'm calling the stewards.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I do have a new. I do have a new racing suit coming, which I'm very excited. Really?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I might need a new one.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It turns out. It turns out a good friend of mine, like, owns a really famous racing suit company. I don't know if. I don't know if she wants it publicized.

[Matt Farah]

Can I get a suit, too?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Let me talk to her.

[Matt Farah]

I want to talk to her.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's a good suit.

[Zach]

My.

[Matt Farah]

I. My last suit is fine, but it's off the rack and, I don't know, a couple years old.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So when I. When I did pikes, I got. I got hooked up. No, hang on. I got hooked up with hrx.

[Zach]

Right.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And it's through. Through Jamie and you. You can order a suit and, like, there's 20 different measurements. Like, you know, my wife's.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Pain in the ass.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And I do it, and it's like, do you want tight normal or loose? I'm like, My whole life, all I've wanted is a loose racing suit.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

My whole life. So I say loose. They're Italian. It comes. I'm a. I'm a stuffed sausage. I can't even tie my shoes. Like, it hurts to bend my leg. So. So. So Bugatti's doing this thing, and Bugatti's gonna give me another HRX racing suit. So I take my original measurements, and I had a centimeter everywhere, and then 2 cm in the balls.

[Matt Farah]

Very important.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And I have the greatest racing suit in the world, but it says Bugatti on the back, and everyone hates it.

[Matt Farah]

Because, yeah, you can't wear that Bugatti guy.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But it's like, it's the perfect suit.

[Matt Farah]

It's a shape. So I hope you wrote down the measurements.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I have the measurements. Yeah, I have the measurements.

[Matt Farah]

So that shit important, man.

[Zach]

You Can't.

[Matt Farah]

When you, when you are getting a custom thing made like that.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You got to take into account country of origin. If it's Italy.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Boy, do you need.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

American small.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But have you, have you ever like seen a guy in a loose fitting race suit and you're like, oh, that looks so good.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I have one. You do? Oh, it's the best.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Now I do.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Now I do. Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's luxury living.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But my pike suit is the wor. Like it. It literally to tie my shoes, I had to put my foot on a, on a step of an F150 and lean and then jump off and then like I. I do practice session and my hips would hurt because it was so tight.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So bad.

[Matt Farah]

No, a loose suit is where it's at.

[Johnny Lieberman]

That's where it's at.

[Matt Farah]

Hofmeister Nipple clamps.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Love it. Such a good name.

[Matt Farah]

I had a Blobby STI and a996. Apparently I like cars with disliked headlights.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Good for you.

[Matt Farah]

Are there any other fun cars with generally disliked headlights? I should lust after Diablos. People don't like Diablo. The 300 ZX headlights are turn off.

[Johnny Lieberman]

They're great.

[Matt Farah]

I have.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I.

[Matt Farah]

It doesn't bother me at all.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Not only that, I. I just, I just drove a Diablo gt. Which by the way, they're rad. Which.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they're rad.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But that was Reggioni's like first thing at Lamborghini.

[Matt Farah]

Oh really? I didn't know that.

[Johnny Lieberman]

He's one of the individual throttle bodies, but they put a little piece of carbon fiber covering the word Nissan. So to me it's perfect.

[Matt Farah]

Like really?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That's the most Lamborghini shit ever.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Ever. It's just great.

[Matt Farah]

It's awesome.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, that's the one.

[Matt Farah]

Daddy Doug's shorts. If you were making a Mount Rushmore of Porsche's greatest hits, what would it be? Okay, first you'd have to take some tribal land. Then you can talk about.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I got two. I'll give you two.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I would say the 550 Spider.

[Zach]

Uhhuh.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And I would say the very obscure but 1953America Roadster. And Seinfeld agrees with me.

[Zach]

That's it. Okay. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Mine would be the 997 GG3RS 4.0.

[Zach]

Oh yeah. Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

100% thousand percent the 1970.

[Matt Farah]

I guess this would be 4.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The.

[Zach]

The.

[Matt Farah]

The 2.7 RS 3.0. The. No, I wouldn't do that. I would say The.

[Zach]

The.

[Matt Farah]

The 85 Carrera Club Sport. That I drove that was like 2200 pounds and 250 horsepower and felt like it was 800 horsepower.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Let me just add one I drove recently, a 73 RSR L lightweight. It's the lightweight and so the non sunroof. So they're called the RSLs but RS lightweights. The, the non sunroof one soldier for like two point something million. The one I drove had a sunroof. So it's only 2 million bucks. And everyone's like could you tell the difference? And I was like, go yourself. Like it was, it was such a wow car. It's just like, like, like cuz an R, like, like, like a 73 RS is like about 800 grand and this pulls like £200 out of the car and it has all like the R stuff. Like the, you know, it's not as hardcore as an R. Oh so much.

[Matt Farah]

They do lightweighting very well. They did.

[Johnny Lieberman]

When you do lightweighting very well.

[Matt Farah]

They did do like. Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And they.

[Matt Farah]

Up until, until yeah. You know, I drove a 964 Club Sport. That was very, very good.

[Zach]

You're.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You're so right on the 4.0. I forgot about that for a second. 4.0 is the greatest car.

[Matt Farah]

I berated somebody at a cars and coffee on Saturday because their RS 4.0 had tires from 2012 on it.

[Zach]

Oh, what?

[Johnny Lieberman]

But it was just real quick with the lightweighting. I remember I went on the launch of the Cayman R. Yeah. Do you remember that? Were you there?

[Matt Farah]

I wasn't on the launch. I got it as a press S car.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Interesting car. So the launch was great because they, they actually literally took over a church and they put the Cayman R on the pew and I'm like, I'm an atheist and I find this very, very weird. It was very strange. But they were like talking about how, oh yes, we're saving all this weight with. We got rid of the door handles and we have pulls and I'm like, you still got vanity mirrors. And they're like, yeah, you got to crash a car like they do.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Username. Have you. Having both made a career in the industry, do you ever find yourself burned out on cars?

[Johnny Lieberman]

No, never. Not for one second.

[Matt Farah]

Occasionally for short periods of time. And then I go on vacation with my wife to something unrelated to cars and then coming back to work is great.

[Zach]

Oh, oh.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I get burned out on the job but like I could.

[Matt Farah]

As busy as I've ever been, I.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Could sit and talk about cars all night long. Which I did at your house last Night.

[Zach]

Which.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Which is what most of our conversations are like.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Anyway.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I never, never, never.

[Matt Farah]

Granny shifting. Not double clutching like you should, says Johnny. Now that you've started your channel, thoughts on the timing of it? Should you have started one earlier or are you fine with how things turned out?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Zach and I had this conversation last night in your kitchen. I should have done it 10 years ago. 100,000%. I had this really nice contract with Motor Trend for a long time. It was a really, really, really financially good contract. And then it went away and. And then it took me like a year of, like, I don't have any money to, like, realize I should do something.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You know, I was kind of just burning through my savings. A thousand, thousand percent. I totally waited too long. Now I'm old and uglier and fatter and probably not gonna be that successful. But. Yeah, totally, totally up.

[Matt Farah]

The times it starts. Things like that is yesterday always.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But I did it and it's going and it's doing well and making money and got an advertiser.

[Matt Farah]

There you go. Ads are good.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Last one. And then we are calling the game because I'm going to go home to my wife and go to sleep. Not for you. Go says. What examples of stealth wealth do you see in your region? I live in a poor state where it's rare to see any form of exotic car. However, it's pretty common to see very expensive RVs and boats. Yeah, that's. That's it. Sometimes not Stealth with the RVs and boats, bro. People don't know how much that shit costs.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, that's true, but we're in L. A. There's no such thing as stealth wealth.

[Zach]

It's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

People want it.

[Matt Farah]

They do. But also, like, for instance, like, you'll see people wearing, like. I would say that, like, a Paul Newman Daytona is a stealth wealth thing. If you don't. It's not old or diamond or shiny. It just looks like an old wall. You know, there's a lot of that, like, vintage stuff.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Where, you know, you've got the real thing that other people are copying. Like, that's that and like that and the. In LA where it's like you're wearing a sweater, but your sweater is like $4,000.

[Zach]

And it's.

[Johnny Lieberman]

I feel like you can kind of tell. I see guys in like 500t shirts and I kind of know it's a 500t shirt.

[Matt Farah]

Sometimes you do, but other times. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But like. But in terms of cars, like, like the phaeton was a real big flop in Los Angeles. It just flopped out. It didn't say S500 on it.

[Matt Farah]

No. And people in this city, if they, it's very rare that they want to hide like that, you know where it's. I mean, Land Cruisers is where you would do that. And even then only kind of people.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

Like to advertise their success. But the stealthy thing is the vintage money. Sorry, like vintage car icon, bronze Bronco. If you don't know, you might just go, oh, that's a cool Bronco. That's a nice. It looks pretty refurbished. And you're like. It was $400,000.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Or if you have the, the Porsche 356 Carrera with the four cam.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But if you, if you just have a 356 though, like there's, they're so expensive for just a, you know, like a, you know, a B or whatever. Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Economies of scale.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So yeah, we don't have like, you know, he's talking about boats and RVs, but all also like the, the six figure truck. While it totally exists here, they don't stand out. But like, you know, you go to.

[Matt Farah]

Other states and like The King Ranch 450, whatever.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But just all the, the amount of aftermarket work done on trucks and like, like every truck in Texas has that Texas front bumper. Every single one.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And just done up and they're all custom. It's, it's, it's really a part of the culture. Which is like trucks and RVs, L.A. is just a, it's a big city. Emphasis on city. You go out to like, like, you know, Santa Clarita or something like that. Like there's more truck culture. I would say, I think when I.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

See pre, like real pre runners here. Like someone took a Raptor and it widened it and it's got three chamber king shocks and I go, that's a $50,000, $100,000 add to a Raptor. Like that's kind of sneaky.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

But even, but even a Raptor is like not stealthy in any way, shape or form, you know?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

But you, but most people go, oh, truck with big wheels are great.

[Zach]

Like.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

No, no, no. Especially if it's, if it's hauling a Can Am, like four, you know, four seater can am. That's got a bunch of on it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Right.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

You can build hundred thousand dollar Can Ams.

[Zach]

Oh yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

The other thing I, I can't remember, was it Chevy or Ford or somebody. But like turns out Like Southern. I think Southern California is the biggest market for Chevy Silverados in the country.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We have population.

[Matt Farah]

Southern California is huge. And once you go outside the metro LA area, yeah, they're selling tons of.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Them, but even we just don't notice them. Even in the metro area, they're selling tons of them because people use trucks all the time for all kinds of.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That's our show, folks. Thank you for joining us today. I'm sorry if we got a little flustered at the beginning because we had to rebuild our panel over there. We'll get that sorted eventually.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

I ordered the cable already.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Did you?

[Matt Farah]

Well, that's what you were doing over there. Shout out to Andrew of the independent state.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Half. Shout out. He could have sent some better. Shout out is.

[Matt Farah]

Come on.

[Guest/Additional Speaker]

It was a good educational experience. I enjoyed it.

[Matt Farah]

In addition to this weirdness, he sent. He sent a thing that you said was incredibly valuable and rare and special.

[Johnny Lieberman]

So you want to talk about what that is? Cuz that's like pretty wild.

[Matt Farah]

No.

[Johnny Lieberman]

Okay. No, he did send one ounce of unicorn juice.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, wow.

[Johnny Lieberman]

And I mean, if you like.

[Zach]

Yeah, you could.

[Johnny Lieberman]

You could Google what that is. Maybe look for like Colonel Taylor with the other nomenclature and like the prince prices are like. I mean, like five figures.

[Matt Farah]

All right, well, we're not. We're not selling it.

[Johnny Lieberman]

We're.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, it's not.

[Johnny Lieberman]

It's not.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we're gonna taste it. But later, later on a special day. Thank you to our patrons. If we didn't get to your questions today, we will save them for the next crew show. We will be back. What, Tomorrow, Zach?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Huh?

[Zach]

Tomorrow morning.

[Matt Farah]

Tomorrow morning with a new board and maybe even a power cable and hopefully Bezos. Willing Lord Bezos.

[Johnny Lieberman]

No. Have you tried to get. Get. Like, I've been ordering a lot of new gear. Like, terrorists are hounding the ability to get stuff shipped. Like a new OSMO that's like been delayed five times.

[Matt Farah]

Really?

[Johnny Lieberman]

Sanity.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, well, there's a lot of countries that are just not sending mail here. Now.

[Johnny Lieberman]

China, weirdly, is still sending mail, but, like, it was supposed to be here on the 22nd and then it was supposed to be here today. And I got a note like, UPS had a problem. I was like, what does that mean?

[Matt Farah]

You know, like, the problem's name is Trump.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Thanks, everybody. Hopefully our gear can arrive. We can continue to make a show because it's actually a global economy, whether you want to believe it or not. Bye.