Lambo Update; M5 Wagon vs Weight; When TCS is Good

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast - Episode Summary: "Lambo Update; M5 Wagon vs Weight; When TCS is Good"
Release Date: June 5, 2025
Hosts: Zack Klapman & Matt Farah

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1. Lamborghini Engine Rebuild Update

Matt Farah shares exciting progress on rebuilding his Lamborghini engine with Top Motors in Italy. The collaboration has been seamless, with Top Motors delivering exceptional service and maintaining clear communication.

• Quote:
  Matt Farah [23:21]: “Have you ever seen a fucking call like that?”

This enthusiastic update highlights Matt's satisfaction with Top Motors' efficiency and expertise, contrasting favorably with typical delays experienced in the industry.

2. Repairing the Trash Can Mac

Matt recounts the ordeal of his beloved Mac Pro, affectionately dubbed the "Trash Can Mac," which survived an unexpected glass desk explosion. Using a high-powered compressor, he managed to clean out the debris, restoring the computer's functionality.

• Quote:
  Matt Farah [06:11]: “It's still fucking working. Works just fine.”

Despite its age and the extensive damage, the Mac Pro's resilience impressed Matt, although he's now considering an upgrade for continued reliability.

3. Office Overhaul: Desk Replacement

The hosts discuss the surprising frequency of tempered glass desk failures, attributing them to poor manufacturing quality. This leads to the decision to replace their office desks with more robust wooden models featuring built-in cable management.

• Quote:
  Matt Farah [04:18]: “We also put a button in there and don't ask what it does.”

This humorous remark underscores their commitment to improving the workspace's functionality while maintaining an element of secrecy around their new desk features.

4. Myers Manx Build in Costa Mesa

Matt provides an update on the Myers Manx project, detailing the arrival of the car body in Costa Mesa. The assembly process is underway, with the build team aiming to complete it by the end of July, just in time for the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance.

• Quote:
  Matt Farah [31:15]: “It's gonna be like one of those build shows that I've been saying is really unrealistic.”

The anticipation is palpable as Matt and Zack look forward to showcasing the finished Myers Manx, emphasizing the meticulous craftsmanship involved.

5. Audience Engagement: Patreon Questions

Listeners submit a variety of questions through Patreon, ranging from watch strap recommendations for weddings to preferences between older hoopties with manual transmissions versus newer models with automatics.

• Example Question & Response:
  User Question: “Watch Strap Question - Getting married in a few weeks and wants a grand Seiko with a suit.”
  Matt Farah: “Maybe if you could have to move the rails far back and go all the way forward, like so.”

Matt provides detailed advice on matching watch straps to attire, reflecting his thoughtful approach to listener queries.

6. King of the Hammers Video Performance

The hosts reflect on their recent King of the Hammers off-roading video, which underperformed on YouTube. They explore possible reasons, including audience preferences and algorithm dynamics, concluding that content alignment with their core audience is crucial.

• Quote:
  Matt Farah: “Motorsports coverage does poorly in general.”

This candid discussion offers insight into the challenges of diversifying content while maintaining viewer engagement.

7. Mustang Generations Ranking

When asked to rank the generations of Mustang, Zack and Matt dive into the evolution of this iconic vehicle, discussing performance, design changes, and personal experiences with various models.

• Matt Farah: “There's like eight generations Mustang or nine. There's a lot.”

Their comprehensive analysis provides listeners with a nuanced perspective on what makes each Mustang generation unique.

8. Press Car Specifications

A debate ensues about the ideal specifications for a press car, weighing factors like color choices, functionality, and brand consistency. They critique past models, such as the 1991 Lamborghini Diablo's intrusive airbag design, emphasizing the importance of both aesthetics and practicality.

• Quote:
  Matt Farah [67:33]: “Any of those really give you a good look, see a good look, see at the original Diablo gauge cluster.”

Their discussion underscores how design decisions can impact both functionality and brand perception in automotive marketing.

9. Technical Discussions: TCS and Driving Techniques

Matt and Zack delve into the intricacies of Traction Control System (TCS) and its relevance during track days. They offer guidance on recognizing when to disable TCS and understanding the limits of tire grip through auditory cues.

• Quote:
  Matt Farah [75:44]: “If traction control didn't kick in throughout the day, then you did your first track day properly.”

This segment serves as a valuable resource for enthusiasts looking to refine their driving skills and vehicle handling on the track.

10. Upcoming Events and Personal Plans

The episode wraps up with a look ahead to upcoming activities. Zack prepares to race lemons at Thunderhill with Team Glucker, while Matt plans a family trip to Italy, ensuring listeners throughput the podcast remains consistent despite their absences.

• Quote:
  Matt Farah [100:56]: “They're gonna leave us with us for a week. It's a right hand drive car.”

Their excitement for future projects adds a personal touch, inviting listeners to stay tuned for more engaging content.

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Conclusion

In this episode, Zack and Matt navigate a blend of personal updates, technical discussions, and listener interactions with their characteristic humor and depth. From the meticulous rebuild of a Lamborghini engine to practical advice on car maintenance and design critiques, the duo delivers a comprehensive and engaging listen for automotive enthusiasts.

For more detailed insights and discussions, visit The Smoking Tire YouTube Channel or follow them on Twitter @thesmokingtire and @zackklapman.

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode is brought to you by off the Record. The reason we keep talking about these folks is because they are amazing. They're here for me. They're here for you. What off the Record does is they sit there quietly waiting for you to get pulled over for a moving violation. And when you do, you don't plead guilty. You get off the record. You get off the record, you go to offtherecord.com TST, you tell them a little bit about your ticket, send the copy of the ticket, they then sign, assign an attorney in the jurisdiction where you got pulled over to fight that ticket. That could mean negotiating with the prosecutor. It could mean going to trial. You don't have to be there. They're there. You're chilling at home. You have sent a representative. And if off the Record doesn't get those points from that violation off your record or keep them off your record, you don't have to pay. Their service is very reasonably priced. But if you go to offtherecord.com TST you will get 10% off all legal services that you book through. Off the Record, if you get pulled over for a little one or a very, very big un, don't plead guilty. Get off the record. Offtherecord.com TST we love them. All right, folks, on this episode of the Smoking Tire, Zach and I talk about this summer might get pricey because my Lamborghini is done and John Temarian from Curated made an unbelievable call about it. Plus, the Myers Manx begins build in Costa Mesa and we talk about what to expect there. And the legend of my trash can Mac that almost died but lives to fight another day. Plus, a bunch of awesome questions from our TST patrons whom you can [e-mail] TheSmokingTirePodcast Speaking of which, let's get to it. It's Wednesday. Sure doesn't feel like it. Fucking Labor Day or Memorial Day. Really threw some shit off, didn't it?

[Zach Klapman]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Some shit up.

[Zach Klapman]

Curve ball.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, exploding desks, all this craziness. I started looking into the exploding desk. A little more relatively common occurrence, it turns out.

[Zach Klapman]

Really?

[Matt Farah]

Glass desks, Exploding tempered glass. Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, just after a certain amount of time.

[Matt Farah]

No, like just shitty manufacturing. Just like cheap, you know, like the. The whatever the material they use, it's like, gets a contaminant in it, which, you know, over time it expands and eventually the thing just like pops.

[Zach Klapman]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, because it's like bonded, you know? Glass tempered. Yeah, it happens a lot, it turns out.

[Zach Klapman]

So your next.

[Matt Farah]

Like it happens a lot. In the same way that like we say Everybody's got a 911 like that if you're in.

[Zach Klapman]

We don't see that.

[Matt Farah]

No, I mean but like. But like if you're in that world.

[Zach Klapman]

Right. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach Klapman]

If you're in the office furniture world.

[Matt Farah]

If you're in a. Yeah, I mean if you're a glazier, you know, if you're someone who fixes broken glass, you get calls all the time about people's windows exploding.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. You're like, oh, let me guess. Tempered, Right. Wayfair. Always.

[Matt Farah]

But if you, you know, are not as, let's just say cultured when it comes to glass, you might be like, fuck, you might. That might make you believe in God.

[Zach Klapman]

Let me just say that if SMGS is on toast stuff for sure.

[Matt Farah]

If that shit happened in the 30s, you are. You believe in God for sure? For sure. Made me believe in ghosts.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, the next desk, I was fucking high. Is this going to be metal, wood, open the replacement desk.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, the replacement desk has been ordered. Yes. It's going to be wood.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's going to have built in cable management because five years we couldn't fucking get Eric's cable management together.

[Zach Klapman]

Does it have a closed wall on the front? Yeah, I think that's key. The floating desk thing is very like front of house salon.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach Klapman]

They want like an open. It was very popular in 80s movies in 90s to have like, ooh, glass top. It's open, airy.

[Matt Farah]

Take your dick out is really a problem. And so now with the new modesty desk, the new Weinstein model, we also put a button in there and don't ask what it does.

[Zach Klapman]

Dude, the new Clarkson's farm is pretty good. But there's a moment where he makes a joke about Harvey Weinstein and this female farmer that had to come help him just looks at him. She's like 26 and she goes, who's that? And she has no idea, which is good. But Clarkson is like aghast. She didn't know this huge case.

[Matt Farah]

Well, is that a yeah? Does she not know because she's young English or a farmer? Which of the three reasons or is.

[Zach Klapman]

It I think young and English?

[Matt Farah]

Okay, yeah, like Caleb didn't know like anything that wasn't farming for like a long time.

[Zach Klapman]

She's. She's on TikTok and stuff. So she's more in pop culture, but she's not in American lawsuit against.

[Matt Farah]

It's different country, like. Yeah, it's a different country. You get a pass on not knowing who a, you know, like a. Like a corporate celebrity criminal is, you know?

[Zach Klapman]

Very true.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Like, she probably knows that, you know, like, Brad Pitt wasn't a very good dad, you know, but. But not who Harvey Weinstein is. That's okay. She can have a pass on that.

[Zach Klapman]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I bet there's lots of English creeps that you and I don't know about.

[Zach Klapman]

Specifically Jimmy Savile.

[Matt Farah]

Well, that's one. Okay, that's. Who else. Give me three more right now. Like, fucking. We can't do that.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, that's true.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. We're throwing stones in glass houses over here in America.

[Zach Klapman]

No, no, I understand why she didn't know. I just came to mind. Because of the Weinstein desk model.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. New desk, new chair for Eric, and a new computer. Suckered me into a new computer, which is crazy because we're. We're the computer that we are retiring. I have to tell. I'm gonna tell the, like, the. I should write a fucking, like, obituary for it on Instagram. Like, it's a cat. This computer. This is one of the trash can Macs, late 2013 or 2014 Mac Pro.

[Zach Klapman]

It's a black cylinder.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. An obelisk.

[Zach Klapman]

Almost, like. Almost 12 inches tall, probably. It's quite big.

[Matt Farah]

It's like. Yeah, it's a big fucking big Folgers can. Giant ass can of Folgers. Yeah. Honestly, in my opinion, one of the best designed consumer products of all time. And I bought it when I started getting into doing like four videos a week with the one takes and whatever the fucking computer I had before this, doing that just ate that computer. And I spent in. I looked it up. I went and looked at my receipts, my purchase history. 2013, I spent $11,800 on that computer. And it was like. Even at the time, I was like, I can't believe I'm doing this. Not the monitors and shit.

[Zach Klapman]

No, just the can.

[Matt Farah]

The can.

[Zach Klapman]

I was there. I just didn't remember it cost that much.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was $11,800. And so. But fucking holy mother of God. Was at a. I mean, it was a powerhouse. You could export videos in real time. It was unheard of. And so it became my editing machine. And then after I stopped doing SO videos, it became my home computer. And I had a home computer and an office computer, and that was pretty glorious. The two computers set up, and then when we opened wccs, it became Eric's, my general manager's, Computer. And it's been that for five years. And when the glass table fucking exploded, it was on it and it fell and it did turn on, but when we turned it on, it fucking overheated really fast. And I was like, oh, I bet the fan has like some glass jammed in it. So I took it out with our giant fucking 80 gallon compressor out there and I blasted. And dude, I swear like half a sweater and like so much. I'm so glad I put on eyewear because like all this glass dust and all this real dust just like all over.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, it's probably never been opened.

[Matt Farah]

No, no.

[Zach Klapman]

Has it?

[Matt Farah]

No, no, no. Up until it started being a computer here, when it was in my house with cats, I cleaned it all the time.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, okay.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I don't think it's been cleaned since it came here. But dude. And then I just plugged it back in and guess what? Still fucking working. Works just fine. But Eric was so sad that it was working cause he's been asking me for a new. He's like, dude, this computer's from 2013. It's really kind of cramping my style. And I'm like, fuck you, it works. Like, you know, whatever. But finally I'm caving and I'm buying him a new computer. Just new imac. Nice. The same one I got Phil. Apple will give me $0 for it on trade in, but they will give me a shipping label. So I'm trying to think of like. But it does still work like it is. It's got a bunch of ports, it's got an ethernet port on it. Like it actually still has like a reasonable amount of both processing power, RAM and like the video card kind of really sucks. But like it's gotta have some kind of use before I just like scrap it. But like the life story this, I bought this computer and this motherfucker has earned its keep for 12 and a half years and could continue to do that job if I didn't decide it was time for it to retire.

[Zach Klapman]

It's a really long run for a computer, especially one that's been using, you know, being used for video production for at least half its life.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, the first half of it was heavy, heavy video production. And it. Dude, it was only when footage, when we went really full 4k that then it was like, okay, well it doesn't make sense to use this for that.

[Zach Klapman]

But did we buy it for the, the all cars thing, like processing that much? I mean, Tom just needed a decent computer.

[Matt Farah]

No, I bought it when I started Editing. I bought it on that. No, I bought it for myself when I started editing all my own videos. And then I bought a second one for the. Remember we had. For the Watch podcast. I bought a second one too. And that one has been Vinnie's wife's office computer ever since I retired it. And guess what? It's about to have its third life. It's going down to South Bay to be a manager's terminal in the wash Bay side of the store so they don't have to run back and forth if they get a phone call over there.

[Zach Klapman]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

Like, these are like. These are some of the finest made computers I've ever seen.

[Zach Klapman]

That's amazing.

[Matt Farah]

And I was talking to someone and someone was like, yeah, you know, and the fucking. The new ones are like insanely expensive. And I was like, really? And I went and priced out one like today's equivalent of what I had. And guess how much it was. $11,799.

[Zach Klapman]

Inflation proof.

[Matt Farah]

Inflation proof and less. I mean, the quality somehow might go down, but I doubt that.

[Zach Klapman]

You know, they still make the trash can.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, no, it's not a trash can. It's just, it's now it's kind of cool looking. It's like a vertical kind of tower.

[Zach Klapman]

Normal tower. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's. It's got a design element to it. But I loved. I'm like, I'm looking for a reason to keep. I wonder if it's more powerful than this. It might be. It might be worth. You know why? Because we could remote mount it on the cart and you would wouldn't hear the fans because it'd be further from the mic.

[Zach Klapman]

That's very true. I mean, with these risers, people don't haven't complained about the fans anymore. Unless you have a very expensive.

[Matt Farah]

It would be funny if it's more powerful than this.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, this is. Do you remember the specs on the other thing?

[Matt Farah]

It's a three and a half gigahertz six core.

[Zach Klapman]

This is two and a half gigahertz eight core. And then graphics card might.

[Matt Farah]

Is the graph. We couldn't run the show on the graphics card. Like actually all we're doing is pulling up web browsers.

[Zach Klapman]

That's all we're doing.

[Matt Farah]

Isn't that it?

[Zach Klapman]

Yep. And memory 64.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, this. That is 64. This is 32.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh yeah. When I bought this, it was like a fully.

[Matt Farah]

All right, so it's not going to be that. But anyway, we'll figure it out. I'm sure a commenter Will give us a good use for it.

[Zach Klapman]

We should send it to, like, isn't porn server. Send it to a smart person in Nigeria. You know one of those cool stories where, like, they had a Peterson exhibit for a while of someone who's making little scooters out there. You know, someone out there who's run their business.

[Matt Farah]

If someone has like a great use for it. Like, I would consider donating something, but I've. But before I donate it, like, maybe there's a cool use for it here that I just haven't thought of yet. Right? Really get my fucking dollars worth out of the thing. But like, man, think about that. That's like less than a. Even though it's depreciated to essentially zero, that's like less than a buck a day.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

No, Is that right? That's not right. It might be 10 bucks a day. It was 12 grand. How many days has it been since.

[Zach Klapman]

What year?

[Matt Farah]

Since. Since 2014.

[Zach Klapman]

Since 2014. It's 12 years.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Times 365. That's 4,380 days.

[Matt Farah]

Around three bucks a day.

[Zach Klapman]

Three bucks a day.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. All right. Still, I'm gonna call that a good investment.

[Zach Klapman]

Look, I mean, sure, it paid for itself with all the. All the videos you made back then. So hell yeah. Process footage quickly, which is an absolute game changer if you work in video.

[Matt Farah]

So yeah. So how about this? I was just about to email the guy at Top Motors in England. It was on my list. It's right here. Email. Guido from Top Motors is on yesterday's list. I wake up to an email from Hans at Top Motors. My engine is done. Folks. Gotta take a quick break from the show for TrueWerk, who is supporting us this week. Look, most gear gets built to look like it works. TrueWerk is different. Built for real conditions. Hot rooftops, quick turns. Jobs that don't ease up with sweat. Wicking fabric. Unrestricted movement and strength that holds firm under pressure. Truewerk helps keep pace when it matters. They're not here to mimic hard. They're here to support it. Every seam is intentional. Every feature is tested. Because out in the field, you don't get respected by looking the part. You earn it by doing things right again and again. That's the bar. True Work was built to meet it. With gear that works harder, moves better, and proves itself every time. Now let me tell you something, Dak. I don't work in a mine. I don't work on the railroad. I don't do a lot of manual labor. But TrueWerk sent me some pants and a hoodie in a lightweight, UV resistant sort of hooded shirt thing. They're comfortable, they are soft, they're stretchy. I wear them up on the mountain when driving a convertible car. I wore the stretchy thing on the beach when walking with Hannah. I don't do any of this hot rooftop stuff, but the Truewerk is still quite good. I've got it all hanging in the closet right now. The problem is that traditional work wear hasn't changed much over 200 years. And TrueWerk upgrades the traditional classics by using the same fabrics worn by elite outdoor athletes. That's me. I'm the elite outdoor athlete. Truwerk has over 50,000 5 star reviews and countless stories from trade pros in every state and every job across the country. Right. I put these clothes on and I feel soft, I feel breathing. I'm not schfitzing in there. Whether you're going hiking, going to work, going to Erewhon, you can wear True Work. You will fit in and it will be comfy. Check out the full True work lineup and get 15% off your first order at Trueerk. Trueork.com Tire that's 15% off at T R U E W-E-R-K.com Tire and thank you to TrueWerk for sponsoring today's program. Plus, it's a big one, Zach. You ready, Red?

[Zach Klapman]

Mm. Hit me.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach Klapman]

I think that's so funny. You got an engine before you got cat food.

[Matt Farah]

And he sends me a whole folder full of videos, a whole folder full of photos of the build process and a video of it running on a stand.

[Zach Klapman]

This is so cool.

[Matt Farah]

It's not a dyno. They're not measuring the power. It's just a stand to test it running.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, it's on like an engine cart.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. They put carburetors on it because that's just how they test the motors. They just have a rack of carburetors that Are tuned that they put on the. But it runs. Gearbox rebuild is done. There was. So I told you that I had. Was supposed to email Guido, and I heard back from a man named Hans. Guido is no longer with the company now. That doesn't mean anything nefarious has happened. He's just not there anymore. And there's a little issue because if you look in the video, you'll see what looked like a couple of fucking wrapped prosciuttos alongside my engine, which are US Spec exhaust manifolds.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, these things.

[Matt Farah]

Whereas Guido and I were incredibly clear that I was to have European exhaust manifolds, which don't look like a packaged ham. They look like an actual header. Like a header header with individual tubes.

[Zach Klapman]

Were these put on? Because they're just around.

[Matt Farah]

Well, I wrote back to Hans, like, wow, these look beautiful and everything is fabulous and how exciting. And just one question. In this email from last year, we agreed that we were going to do the European exhausts and whatever. And in these photos, I see us. I just need to make sure that that engine comes back with the European exhausts. And as of yesterday, it was. Well, thank you for your enthusiasm and I will get you these answers to these questions immediately. So maybe they have to pull those off and put on the US Ones and, you know, okay, fine.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, that's easy. Cause right now you have full access to the engine.

[Matt Farah]

It's there. It's still there. It hasn't left. Okay. So, I mean, look. And if I please fucking catch it there, you know, like. And yeah, I mean, it just. It does make me want to, like, go back with all the emails that I have with the old person and go, hey, just like, let's make sure that. Yeah, you know, I'm happy to see a running engine, but like, all this is supposed to be in there, right? You know, so we're just checking. But seeing a running engine is very satisfying. But what's real crazy about this is I went to go send that video to John Tamarion from Curated. And John Tamarion owns a place called Curated. We've hung out with him, we podcasted with him down in Miami. We drove a couple of his cars, the Diablo gt and really fun stuff. And John is. Who referred me to Top Motors.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, John finds, you know, 80s and 90s supercars and special cars and sells them.

[Matt Farah]

And he. And they restore them in house as well. And if my car was in one piece, I would have just sent it to him and that would have been dunzo. But in all those pieces, it transporting it From LA to Miami is like. Like would have been risky and silly. Even John said, even if you sent me the whole car, I would then send the engine to top motors. So you just send the engine top motors. That's what you do in Italy. And I go, okay, well, what am I looking at? He goes, you're looking at a year. You're looking at 70. And I go, you know, something like that. And he goes, listen, someone in the US will tell you eight months and 40, and then by the time it's done, it's two years and 90. In Italy, it's a year and 70, and that's what it'll be. And I go, okay, sounds good. That day is when I called them or emailed or whatever. And I was like, huh, Trying to do the math in my head. I scrolled back through the texts. When he told me to do that, I scrolled back through the emails. 364 days and $71,200.

[Zach Klapman]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Have you ever seen a fucking call like that?

[Zach Klapman]

That's amazing.

[Matt Farah]

That's unbelievable.

[Zach Klapman]

From an engine shop. Because here we're used to delaying stuff, including shipping.

[Matt Farah]

That includes shipping. That includes the debts. The day I emailed them.

[Zach Klapman]

That's fantastic.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, granted, it's not back, but to a video of the engine running.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, your engine is basically done on time. Wow, that's pretty cool.

[Matt Farah]

That's. And my transmission's done, too. Like, they don't have a video of that, but my transmission is also done. Like, whoa.

[Zach Klapman]

That's. That's why they have the reputation that John passed along. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, not only did they nail it, you know, and I said. I said that to John. Do you. Do you understand how that you just Babe Ruthed fucking that out of the stadium? That call. No one's ever made a call like that before. He's like, do you know how many of these I've done?

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, that's why he's probably done dozens. And he just knows that they're always on time and they're always good. That's fantastic. Shout out to them.

[Matt Farah]

He goes, here's what happens in Italy. They don't change the price. When things get a little weird, they just go, you know, that's the ups and downs. Their price is built in a little margin of like, oops, we found this. And it needs to get. Whereas in other places, it's nickel and dimed up and down, the whole thing. These guys, all they do is Italian V12s. Their customers don't want to deal with that bullshit. How much is it? Okay, that's it. And apparently it's always that amount.

[Zach Klapman]

And if one engine is easier for them, they go, all right, we saved two grand. And then the next engine that comes in, they got to spend 2 extra and they go, all right.

[Matt Farah]

And we still drink of the wine at the end of the day. It's ok. I don't have the whole folder of photos ready right now. I didn't airdrop them to Zach. But we next, next show we can go through the whole folder of. Of build photos. Like the whole place is like the Diablo Miura Espada.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, last time we looked at him and behind a guy in a corner you spotted some super rare silver. Like.

[Matt Farah]

Holy.

[Zach Klapman]

Wait a minute.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, super rare. Yeah, silver, low body. Crazy. But like damn. Might actually like. I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to say I might drive this car in 20, 25. That's like, that's a straight like knock wood, I don't know. But it was very rewarding. Rewarding to, to see a video of it, of it actually running. Boy, does it. Even with those US manifolds on it, it sounds mighty healthy and smooth. It revs fucking nice.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, I hope so, right? It's fully rebuilt, new bearings, new everything.

[Matt Farah]

I mean apparent I should. According to this, I said I'd like, I'd love if you send me, you know, very detailed break in schedule as well as a very detailed maintenance schedule. I said I look, I adhere to this shit and you know, according to John, you know, this is a, this should be all of this shit should be once in my lifetime and just drive the car for the rest of my life.

[Zach Klapman]

Rad.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, sounds fine. I can live with that. Leave the outside scruffy. Paint's got chips all over it. Who gives a shit?

[Zach Klapman]

So is this engine in a way more like requires less maintenance than an air cooled Porsche? How often do you have to do that top end rebuild on an air cooled?

[Matt Farah]

On an air cooled. I mean every 100k or 100.

[Zach Klapman]

I thought it was every 40 or something.

[Matt Farah]

No, it's 100. It's like the kind of cars that our friends are buying. Like it's, it's not confirmation bias, selection.

[Zach Klapman]

Bias or whatever causation thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Like we just know a lot of people that are buying a depreciated Porsche around the time it needs that shit. Yeah. 100k on a top end, 200 on a bottom end.

[Zach Klapman]

Okay, so that's a long time. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And then a lot of people, like when I did the safari, I did a top end and a bottom end because I was like, I'm in there. It's an extra fucking two grand. Like for extra durability. Like go for it.

[Zach Klapman]

If it's. Yeah. If you're. If you're already doing it and it's to do the whole thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean a percent. It's an extra 10, 15 to do the whole thing. It Just do it.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You know, you really want to go while you're in there at a top end, on the bottom end, you can do a 3, 4 stroker crank and then you're in business.

[Zach Klapman]

I'm gonna send my car to get the bearings done soon. When I was at Good Vibes, you know, going fast.

[Matt Farah]

This hasn't been done.

[Zach Klapman]

No.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy.

[Zach Klapman]

Isn't that amazing?

[Matt Farah]

They should send yours to a lab or something museum.

[Zach Klapman]

It should be next to the. The Mac, the. The Tower. You know, they could respective museums. Yeah. I think I'm on borrowed time. So I'm just like. It's the last thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, sort of. Okay. Okay. That's gonna be. That's not engine out. Right? You do it from the.

[Zach Klapman]

No, they do it from the bottom. And there's. There's a lot of good race shops here that specialize in that much like these guys. So they just. They got a price and you go send it down there and so whenever I go out of town, I'll. I'll AAA it down there.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But fucking. Oh man, it's gonna be great. I bet you it's with God. We're gonna have new bushings, new shocks, new brakes. I mean it should really drive like supposed to fucking drive. Gotta make sure I can get new tires too. The tires I bought in 2018 are now them shit's now done.

[Zach Klapman]

But don't you have to wait for them to do like the limited run?

[Matt Farah]

No, they make them now by popular demand as part of a run of. They wanted all of the 80s guys. Everyone who ran fat rear tires and small fronts in the Testarossasa pantera. Yeah, the 911s. I mean all these people were like, we need tires for all these cars and Pirelli now they make two. I have the ones that are on there now. They're now old are the proper. They look like the old tires, the P zero with the yellow stamping on it and the old tread pattern. What Harry Metcalf did was he got the P7, which is a more modern tread pattern. And Sidewall, but in a countach size. He says that, that it's worth getting those. That they're better and so I think I'm probably just going to get the. Yeah, the Cinturato P7 versus the original vintage P0.

[Zach Klapman]

I just want to see what the tread looks like on these things.

[Matt Farah]

It's just like a regular. It's not like anything super special, but it's. But it's like the old. Mine are like the old tread, yours.

[Zach Klapman]

Are the old Zigzagrich.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they're super old school. Yeah, I don't think you'd want to get caught in the rain. And I think the side. The sidewalls are a lot better on these. And like if you don't care about the originality, these just drive better. So. But they make. Yeah, you got countach sizes, Diablo sizes now, so. Yay. Yay to Pirelli for. For them sizes.

[Zach Klapman]

So is there an ETA when the engine arrives back? I mean you still have to assemble the whole other.

[Matt Farah]

Well, first the question of the headers will be answered.

[Zach Klapman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

And then they get shipped back. It does go fast. It gets. It only takes like a week to ship it back. Back. Wow. It's like cuz it goes air, it doesn't go boat.

[Zach Klapman]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

So there's no tariff situation cuz it's not a new thing.

[Matt Farah]

No, I don't believe so. It's my thing that was being worked on and coming back. I wasn't purch. I filled out like a bunch of.

[Zach Klapman]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

It wasn't carne. It was. Oh, it's another word. Whatever it was. Proforma invoice. Which is just like a thing that says here's what's in my crate and I own it and it's coming back. So. Yeah, I guess they do this shit a lot. So. Yeah, no one, no one is. No one has indicated that there would be anything like that. So. Yay.

[Zach Klapman]

Nice.

[Matt Farah]

And then we get to like, you know, it's gonna be put back together close and we get to check that process out.

[Zach Klapman]

That'll be cool.

[Matt Farah]

Speaking of which, I don't know if you saw added it to the calendar. It's gonna. This month's gonna get expensive for your boy because the Manx body has arrived also. So we now have that. So the Manx body, they're gonna start building this week.

[Zach Klapman]

They start assembling on the body.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, this week. The engine's already there, the interior's there.

[Zach Klapman]

Feels like that'd be a quick process because you, you know, it's open. There's not like they're not adding doors, they're not adding.

[Matt Farah]

So, yeah, it's kind of like relatively.

[Zach Klapman]

Quick compared to a car.

[Matt Farah]

But there's like, you know, nine people doing it. So it takes them five weeks to assemble a car. So they said, you know, they're starting it next week and it'll be done at the. By the end of July. And I'm like, well, it's gotta be at Pebble. So, like, this is gonna be like one of those.

[Zach Klapman]

Yep. This is a build show.

[Matt Farah]

This is gonna be like one of those build shows that I've been saying is really unrealistic.

[Zach Klapman]

You got your own SEMA car.

[Matt Farah]

It's gotta be done in time. And, you know, I want to drive it around up there, which means I gotta put some fucking QC miles on it too.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You know, brand new car, shit could go down.

[Zach Klapman]

I. I would imagine based on the provenance this car will have and who's driving it where, and it's, you know, a bit. It's not their coming out party, but it's like one of the earliest. Are you the first person to take delivery of the radial engine? First customer?

[Matt Farah]

I. No, no, I don't think. No, I don't think so. No, I've, I. There were other ones that were almost. There was a couple, like, special ones, like for some like, vvips that were being built that I. They wouldn't let me see like even what color they were, but I knew. But they said that I could see that they were radial engines.

[Zach Klapman]

Okay, well, yeah, hopefully they get some development miles on yours before you take it.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah, or I'll do some. I mean, I'm happy to do it too. Like, I, I'm. I will partake in the development process. It's just right there. I'll go drive that thing around for a few hours also.

[Zach Klapman]

It seems like a pretty simple machine engine aside, you know, for sure. It's like. It's got headlights and the T. It.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, it's not. It should be. All right. But nevertheless, before I take it and like go drive in, you know, traffic and. On Big Sur.

[Zach Klapman]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

You know, like.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. Matt Farah breaks down in Manx on Big Sur is not a story that wants to.

[Matt Farah]

No. And I don't think that will happen. But like, you know, talking like three weeks.

[Zach Klapman]

I know, that's what I'm saying. Gotta.

[Matt Farah]

We gotta be, you know, a little snappy on it.

[Zach Klapman]

You just gotta make sure all the electrical connections, I mean, they are going.

[Matt Farah]

To have in fairness, a full team at Pebble. Like, they're showing cars at the Quail. Like their head of, like, technical is going to be there. Like, you know, like, fucking Freeman can probably fix one of these things if he has to, you know, fucking call his ass up. Yo, get over here, bro.

[Zach Klapman]

He's a designer, not an engineer. I mean, I'm sure he's.

[Matt Farah]

I think Freeman could probably work on. Work on one if he had to. I don't know. He seems a handy. Right. What do you think Freeman drives? Oh, did you see his car when he came here and did the show? It was a little disappointing, to be honest with you, because what he does is so cool. It's a Bronco sport.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, that is surprising.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Not a bad car. Yeah, it's just not like an interesting car for somebody that likes California car designer. I'm not talking. Trying to talk shit on the guy. I love him, but little character, maybe. He's got to have something fun.

[Zach Klapman]

You know, it'd be fun to ask him and be like, what do you like about this car? And either it was the convenient thing and it was Covid and you couldn't get the regular Bronco right, or he goes, I love this part and this thing and this aspect. And that's true.

[Matt Farah]

I don't want to sell him short. He might find have something very, very appealing about that car. Well, we'll corner him at Pebble.

[Zach Klapman]

I mean, we've driven that car. That car is better on the highway than a regular Bronco.

[Matt Farah]

And it made it up Rower and it did that.

[Zach Klapman]

So it just doesn't have the. The curb appeal of the. The real Bronco.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's true. It's it. It can't be cool. There's just nothing you can do to it to make it. I've seen them in every color. Our homie put the rooftop tent on one all blacked out because it's an.

[Zach Klapman]

Escape with some weird. Some Bronco shit stretched around it. The front's too round. Yeah. It's too small.

[Matt Farah]

It's a little unfortunate looking. It is extremely capable. But like, it's in the world of the Dodge Nitro. You know the Dodge Nitro shockingly good. Like off road. Or the Jeep version.

[Zach Klapman]

The Compass.

[Matt Farah]

The Compass and the Patriot, they were actually really special, heinous little vehicles that were surprisingly good on dirt.

[Zach Klapman]

That was the beginning of hill descent control. I think that was the first vehicle I ever drove. First press car I went to, like a Patriot. Yeah. I went to the Jeep thing in Malibu and it was a silver Patriot. Nothing has looked less expensive as a press car. And it had hill descent control. That just did the whole thing for me. It was amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Those things were surprisingly good off road. Yeah. So anyway, we're going to get to go see the Manx being being built.

[Zach Klapman]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

You know, they were all like, should we wait for you to do stuff? I was like, no, absolutely not. I will. I'll come down there. I put it on the schedule for whatever two days after I get back from Italy. We'll go down there and see what they're. What they're doing. Maybe like, you know, they have the, the gray car that I did for road and track, the Dev car. So maybe we could do a little thing where we'll take it for a spin. You should drive. You have to drive it because it's a fucking good time to.

[Zach Klapman]

Absolutely.

[Matt Farah]

And after Air Water, I upgraded my shifter for 300. They have a new shifter?

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, the action. Not like, Not a new knob or something?

[Matt Farah]

No, no, no. We're committed to the hot dog. Yeah, the hot dog is. That's that joke. I'm gonna fly that joke right into the fucking mountain. It's not gonna be funny. And I'm gonna keep it going for a long time afterwards.

[Zach Klapman]

Eventually your bathroom will be.

[Matt Farah]

Everyone else will be like, you're an asshole, but my wife will love me more than.

[Zach Klapman]

And shit. That's all that matters.

[Matt Farah]

That makes me smart. No, no, the mechanism. I don't know. I can't say in what way. Technically it's an upgrade, but like the one I drove before. And then at Air Water, they had this newer one that had this shifter and I was like, what? Hold on. I'm like, just. What's different? This is better. Why is this better? Like, oh, that's our new shifter upgrade. I was like, check please. Fucking on the tab. Let's let this. We need that. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, that and we got a test fit seats because they have. I don't want to make sure it's not lost in, you know, as low and as far back as you can physically on the driver's seat or bolted. Well, it has to be. It has to be on rails because Hannah has to drive. But still it has to be able to go low. And if you could have to move the rails far back and go all the way forward, like so.

[Zach Klapman]

Or make long rails, whatever.

[Matt Farah]

Like. No, these things are so small. Like, even if you move the rails back, like all the way forward is like impossible for most humans.

[Zach Klapman]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And then our royal highness is. Matched luggage cooler. Matched luggage cooler.

[Zach Klapman]

Cooler that bolts into it. Yeah. Straps into it. That's a cool little fun car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And Ali got some coolers that are like some special, like, vacuum sealed. Some kind of coolers. I don't know.

[Zach Klapman]

Whoa.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Zach Klapman]

That seems like something. Maybe he invented it. And then he's like, I made these because I wanted it to exist and now I don't use it. He did that with a kebab turner.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah. Automated kebabs.

[Zach Klapman]

Our friend Ali is an engineer of, you know, creator of Range Energy and also prototype guy and like racing engineer. And he showed me these pictures. He's like, I used to cook for the whole family. And so I wanted something to turn the kebab. And so I just made this. He's like, I ordered a gear set from here and this from here, and I made a box. And then someone.

[Matt Farah]

It was just a chain of cam gear.

[Zach Klapman]

Pretty much like. Yeah, it was like a lot of cams lined up.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

And then someone online saw a picture and was like, hey, are you selling those? He goes, ah, you can have the design. Yeah, he just gave it. Now the guy sells it as, like, kebab king and you can buy it for your restaurant.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Amazing.

[Matt Farah]

He should have kept the patent on that. That would have been a light.

[Zach Klapman]

That's what I said to him. And he goes, and my. My brain's got other stuff to do. I'm gonna make.

[Matt Farah]

Your brain doesn't have to do anything. Your lawyer does that here. Lawyer defend my patent.

[Zach Klapman]

He had big. Well, yeah, he's hybridizing semi truck trailers, which is probably a higher demand for.

[Matt Farah]

Listen, you wanna talk about a business model that is independent of the economy of any government grants of any EPA standards. Kebabs, dude, kebabs are. Are fucking recession proof, right?

[Zach Klapman]

Maybe, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Kebabs probably go up. If you started a kebab stand in a recession, people would be like, you're just being a fucking disaster capitalist right now.

[Zach Klapman]

I'm trying to provide food. I don't know, I bet maybe the demand was lower than he thought or he underestimated it, but either way, I'm just saying, I was shocked too.

[Matt Farah]

I'm glad that if my investment turns to zero, there's a fallback plan.

[Zach Klapman]

The kebab market got to get that IP back.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we need. No, I mean, all you. All you got to do is like translate that to, you know, hot dogs or something.

[Zach Klapman]

That's true.

[Matt Farah]

Good to go. He does need he owes me, though. He needs to teach me. He knows how to do the. This is gonna be a gross hand gesture. But the kebabs that he's talking about.

[Zach Klapman]

That'S milking a cob, are not the.

[Matt Farah]

Like, not American kebabs, like the Middle Eastern, like kebabs, where it's the meat squeezed around the sword like that. I have never been able to get that right. And he knows the special secret to doing it. And I need to be taught that.

[Zach Klapman]

He does know that. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I have almost nothing else on my list except reminding people that you can come drive with me in September on literally the best event that road and track has ever put up. We've got montage Healdsburg Lodge at the Presidio, Ritz Carlton, Lake Tahoe. We've got Sonoma Raceway. We've got unbelievable wine tasting. We've got an unbelievable restaurant. And I'm going to scout the route for Seaside to Sierra. I'm going to scout it as soon as I get back from Italy. And yeah, wine country plus Lake Tahoe, plus racetrack, plus Sonoma Raceway. Yeah. Plus all A plus hotels and some really good food. And Scott Pruitt's walking, which we had a bunch of at 10:10. That's what they were pouring down there. That's going to be awesome. You can sign [e-mail] and we can ship your car there one or both ways. You can ship your car to LA to WCCS and drive it up there.

[Zach Klapman]

If you like California, this is the best road trip ever. And if you hate California and you live somewhere else and you're like, they fucked that state up. Come visit and you'll see why we pay the taxes.

[Matt Farah]

But yeah, this sort of. That band that runs north of San Francisco from the ocean to Reno to Lake Tahoe, that is the paradise of driving in California. So not to mention one of California's best racetracks, I believe. Right now my plan is to get that Aston Martin vantage roadster, which I was quite smitten with, to drive that. Although I think I'm driving something a little lesser for the Scout.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, that makes sense.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It drives a Bronco Sport. Right now it's like that turnover time, like at the end of the press car will land. Yeah, it's turnover time between model years and Pickens is a slim.

[Zach Klapman]

But sometimes they also are willing to give you something really cool. Cause it's like it's about to be crushed.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah. No, it's too late. Like January. Is the car from September is gonna get crushed. And so last hurrah. Kind.

[Zach Klapman]

That's why they gave me the truck to jump.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Like, yeah, fuck all that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And the King of the Hammers truck that we. The Raptor that we took to King of the Hammers. Same thing. By the time you get to June, it's really the leftover fucking Dreggles. It's the stuff. Not the stuff that needs to go back. Just the stuff that still has plenty of available miles.

[Zach Klapman]

A lot of Nissan Altimas.

[Matt Farah]

Not that bad. But I was sent a list of available loans out of sfo, and I was like, oof. I mean, it was brutal. Brutal. The highest performance car. And I sound very spoiled saying this, but it's not just about scouting the route. I'm writing a story for Road and Track. It's a combination thing where, in order to promote the event, I scout the route in a cool car and then do a car review set against the backdrop of the thing. That's the point. So it's not just, like, me being a snob of, like, ew, I don't want to drive an elantra.

[Zach Klapman]

And no McLarens.

[Matt Farah]

It's not that at all. It's literally, like, what car would be suitable for roadandtrack.com and the closest we could find was Pacifica. No, it was an AMG sedan that was, like, three levels from the top level of that car.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh. It's like it had the turbo six.

[Matt Farah]

Or whatever right in the middle. The 53 just. I don't want to. I don't want to say which one, but. And then. But it wasn't. It was just. Just not an interesting car. So, like, you know, I don't know. I hope. I hope I don't say that. Meanwhile, if you read this story next month, and it's like, look what I'm driving in the story. There are no. There are some. Some other options, including a couple things that I actually haven't driven yet that I kind of want to do. You know that I haven't driven an EcoBoost Mustang of any kind since, like, 2014 when that thing came out. Oh, not since the very first year have I driven any EcoBoost Mustang.

[Zach Klapman]

Wow. We filmed one for that show I made with Armin called Corbin Shit Show. He raced his science experiment versus a new convertible EcoBoost Mustang.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

And it was actually pretty good, but convertible ecoboost Mustang.

[Matt Farah]

That sounds like a rental.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, we might have, because I don't think we could get one in time.

[Matt Farah]

Ford does actually have One. I'm waiting to hear back if it's available. No, no, that's. That. That it was not part of that list. It wasn't on the list at all. That. What? I. I'd have to get out of LA and drive it up there actually.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, we could drive one here for a video or something if it's worth it. Because I'm.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, maybe if they have one. But. But if I can do it for this, that'll be fine. But the other, the, the rest of it. But I gotta go do it. I'm gonna drive it. It's gonna be fun. And, and more importantly, when we do it for reals in the end of September, not the beginning of September, they change the date. Date. They put it on Labor Day. That didn't help signups much at all. So point taken. Date moved. End of September. So come on down. It's gonna be the best time it's got. It's not gonna be like death hot anymore. It's pretty hot there in August, but end of September gonna be fucking grape tasting motherfuckers. Let's go to the people. The people. Do they have things to say?

[Zach Klapman]

We got a bunch of oh boy.

[Matt Farah]

Oh boy, oh boy. Let's.

[Zach Klapman]

Some new amazing usernames, some new habibi. Such a fun game. You folks are doing a great job of making silly usernames.

[Matt Farah]

Let's get to it. Of course, if you want to ask questions of the program, if you want to get the live stream, if you want to get the show early, if you want to get the show without ads, if you want to get extra show. Patreon.com TheSmokingTirePodcast is where you do all of those things. And the people you will be hearing from are even. I don't know actually what level they are because you can join and ask questions at the very lowest tier. You do not have to be at the high tiers of Patreon to ask questions, but you do get extra props if you have good usernames like these fine folks. Just the Tiptronic says watch strap question. Getting married in a few weeks and wants a grand. Oh, is going to be wearing a grand Seiko. The suit is a very light blue linen fun strap option. Instead of the titanium bracelet, match your shoes with a leather shoes belt. Watch strap is always a safe bet if you're going with a blue linen shirt. Maybe if you're doing a brown leather shoe or excuse me, a blue linen suit, you can do that. If it's like a summer wedding Grand Seikos work really good with a sailcloth strap. There's a company called Artem that does a good sailcloth strap. A R T E M. Yeah, I'd go either with a leather that matches your suit or like a really high end cloth. Like there's a guy I like a few weeks might be pushing it, but there's a guy I like out of England called the strap tailor that does a great job and could do a cool. Like a cloth strap that really matched your suit.

[Zach Klapman]

If it matched your, your pocket square or something.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Connecting the color dots is a good idea.

[Matt Farah]

And if it's like a. I wouldn't. Well, on your wedding I wouldn't go with like a rubber, rubber bee. That's like a sport, a summer sport band.

[Zach Klapman]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Shun Bun is really good on leather or cloth. Yeah, but not like NATO cloth. Like, like high end cloth. This is username of the. Of the day. Dick Reman is awesome. What would you rather have for a hoop? A clapped out beater but mechanically sound and a decent interior Camry or a fresher, nicer, less abused Accord V6 with an auto. Wait, what? Wait.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, so basically a worse car but with a manual or a nicer car with an automatic?

[Matt Farah]

Oh, a nicer car with an auto.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. If it's a hooptie anyway. Who gives a shit then I don't care about shifting, especially in this city. Auto all the time. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I mean if you have a fun hoopty, that's like better than having a not fun hooptie. But if these are real cars you're talking about, and you're talking about a 2000 Toyota or a 2015 Accord and your wallet can bear both.

[Zach Klapman]

One has CarPlay ABS, traction control, cruise control, possibly radar cruise control. The other one has a manual transmission. That is not even a contest. You gotta, you gotta bring those years closer together.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that doesn't, that doesn't.

[Zach Klapman]

The Accord needs a bigger hamstring. You know, it's gotta have like no windows or something.

[Matt Farah]

The yacht formerly known as Tits. I have a six disc changer with a dead eject button that otherwise works great. What albums would you put in it knowing they won't be changed without some work?

[Zach Klapman]

It's a fun game. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I haven't changed the CDs in the Aston Martin Vanquish since 2005. Same six.

[Zach Klapman]

That makes sense.

[Matt Farah]

Never changed. I couldn't tell you if that changer works or not.

[Zach Klapman]

But does it play the music? Oh, yeah. All right. So that. Yeah, I took the changer out of my BMW. When I put the stereo in there.

[Matt Farah]

I took it out in the nsx, you take out the changer and that's where your Apple cable goes.

[Zach Klapman]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, okay, you gotta have, you know. Yeah. I mean, I gotta have some Pearl Jam. Obviously, I'm gonna have some.

[Zach Klapman]

I think the question for you is how little Pearl Jam can you make do with to have room for other genres or bands?

[Matt Farah]

Well, there is a. Actually, what I would do is I would get two out of the six discs would be Pearl Jam. But I would really go through their catalog of live bootlegs in order to optimize for those two discs for the songs that I really, really do want to hear.

[Zach Klapman]

How many live bootlegs are there?

[Matt Farah]

All of them. Every show they've ever played.

[Zach Klapman]

So you'd have to listen to.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, you don't have to listen. The set lists are published on the website because you can buy them as CDs and as downloads. And so there would be a way without buying them all to figure out what it is. Yeah, yeah, there is a way. But I would do that.

[Zach Klapman]

This is hard.

[Matt Farah]

I'd have gaslight anthem, the 59 sound.

[Zach Klapman]

It's a good song.

[Matt Farah]

Great record.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Soup to Nuts, start to finish. I'd probably have. I don't know. Feel free to fucking toss one in here, bro.

[Zach Klapman]

I mean, I would. Guns N Roses, Appetite for Destruction.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

The best album front to back, ever made. And it's hard enough that I like, it gives me energy, but it's got enough melody and it's complicated enough that I could like pay attention over and over again and listen to it.

[Matt Farah]

Rage against the Machine, that self title.

[Zach Klapman]

Especially, you know, it's a good thing. You always want to have a revolution soundtrack in the car, you know, because you don't know what's going to happen in the future.

[Matt Farah]

Is it a cheat to go with the greatest hits record?

[Zach Klapman]

No, I don't think so.

[Matt Farah]

All right, Tupac, Greatest Hits.

[Zach Klapman]

Okay. I'd go RTJ3, run the jewels3. And then I think I would need a complicated electronic. Like something. I don't know what. Not deadmau5. That's too. I don't know. I have to figure that out. But like, something I can put on. If I'm driving across Nebraska at one in the morning for some reason, I want something for that. Oh, and I need a comedy album.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, and I would need to have. Shit. It would be very difficult for me to pick an album which Rise against album. I would have probably siren song of the counterculture, but possibly appeal to reason. That is a very, very tough one to do.

[Zach Klapman]

I think I'd also have to have Bill Burr's the special that was filmed in black and white.

[Matt Farah]

Shit.

[Zach Klapman]

Which I can't remember the name of. I'll find it right now, but I think that's his best one.

[Matt Farah]

Or fucking. Yeah. You gotta have an elephant in the. How do you not go through life without an annual listening of elephant in the room. Patrice o' Neill's special that has to be on the annual listen list.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, Bill Burr. I'm sorry you feel that way because that's when he started doing more voices and stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Good one.

[Zach Klapman]

Good question.

[Matt Farah]

Buck Melanoma, favorite car color on a non premium brand and recommends Mazda Soul Crystal Red. It's always a. Always a.

[Zach Klapman]

That was gonna be my surprise.

[Matt Farah]

Not a surprise. A popular choice. I mean it depends where we want to draw the line at premium I. The nitrous blue on my Focus rs.

[Zach Klapman]

That was a good.

[Matt Farah]

Fabulous. The.

[Zach Klapman]

I mean I. I was gonna go Mazda when you started reading the question. It's such a deep red. It's got enough, enough pearl in it, but not too much. I think it's fantastic. It looks good on like everything.

[Matt Farah]

The new, the new, the new green that Ford has on the Mach E is fabulous. My silver, it was like, it was called, it had some special name. I'm now blanking on it, but it was a very, very deep silver. And I remember one day I parked it next to someone had a rented Ford Escape and they parked it next to the Mach E and I was like, holy shit. The difference in these two silvers was even more different than like the Mercedes, like alu Beam silver to their regular one. And whatever the Porsche GT silver metallic is compared to regular silver. It was great. Any mothman of mine says Instagram has been pushing redwood watches on me. Have you ever heard of this brand? I have never heard of this brand. Can. Can you take a look and let's see what they look like. Redwood watches. We don't know anything about them. Let's scroll down and see what them look like. What do we have here? Oh, holy shit. Those literally look like Sheffield's with different fucking dials. Don't. With different branding on them. Don't they? On the ones on the right?

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. With the ridges around the crown. Was it the crack crown?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, the original on the bezel. Yeah. I would. Without seeing these in person, I can't say yay or nay on them. But I'm Gonna support my friends at Sheffield on this one. Just grab yourself a Sheffield. Yeah, looks. It looks okay. Not great. 4k Libya. I follow a Twitter account called Mileage Impossible. And to my surprise, there have been several quattroportes with 500,000 kilometers or more. More. How is this possible? If you spend a fortune and fix every little thing, do they actually last? I think the drivetrains are especially like the automatic transmission ones are probably stout enough that if you service them properly, they will last. Now the electronics might be all fucked up and I don't know what a 500,000 kilometer QP looks like. Probably not great.

[Zach Klapman]

I don't know. Or we could be wrong. Maybe it runs, but other things don't work, like Windows and things. Who know? I mean, if the bearings are good and on shit like that and all you have to do is actually replace spark plugs and I don't know, fix like. I feel like a lot of problematic engines have a thing people go, these parts always break. And if you fix that thing and if, I mean, this is a pretty simple V8, it's not a turbocharged, you know, N94 motor. Motor. It might actually last a long time.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, and the F1 gearbox sucked. But once it got a regular automatic at the update, I mean, either I think you spend a fortune to fix every little thing or you're comfortable with every little thing not working.

[Zach Klapman]

Very, very true.

[Matt Farah]

But I think the powertrain is probably capable of that. Sure. Hazeman says. Do you think? Oh, wait. Oh. The title card is why people didn't watch the King of the Hammers video. I mean, there's, it's, it's, it's several different things that's like outside of what our audience wants. And I'm not sure it was dude the kind of shit that I get recommended on YouTube. Like I only really watch YouTube while I'm on the elliptical machine and I only watch a couple of channels. I watch some more news. I'll watch engineering explained if he's got a new video. Or I'll watch Kamisa if he's got a new video. I'll watch maybe a Harris video. And I watch the legal Eagle, who's the lawyer, Devin Stone, who's in la. We should try to get that guy on the podcast. It seems that that's a thing we could do, but that's really it. And I just get the shit that I get recommended is all. Like this dude reacts to this dude or this dude calls out fraud or just political shit. And it's just like, no, I'm not anyway, my experience is my experience and everyone else's could be different than that. But like, I don't know why that video like went so badly.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, there's so many factors. You know, the center card thing, to answer the question, I don't know what center card we'd have to use or thumbnail that would grab our audience. Cause I think if our audience is mostly focused on sports cars things, so it has to have a truck in it. There's going to be a truck of some kind that might not be their thing. So they're not going to watch it. And then if they don't, if subscribers don't watch it, the algorithm goes, well, maybe we'll show this to a few people, but if the subscribers aren't watching it, it might just not be a good video. And then you're kind of dead.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And for us, it's a combination of things that don't actually usually perform that well. We wanted to go because it was fun. We thought it would be fun. It was. And we wanted to go because we wanted to use our brain muscles and try to make like sort of Anthony Bourdain style video, knowing that it wouldn't do that. Well, we didn't know it would do as bad as it did, which I think is unjustifiably bad, frankly. But motorsports coverage does poorly in general. Off roading, outside of a very specific set of channels does poorly in general for like, I don't know. That video was never on an. If we were making a cable show, everybody would love that episode. And it would like, people would be like, ah, Emmy, just relatively speaking. But like in an on demand world.

[Zach Klapman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

It doesn't. That kind of stuff will not hit. It just.

[Zach Klapman]

I mean, actually the questions we get asked here are a perfect example. The number of times we get asked about off road stuff is 10% of questions, maybe less. It's usually what sports car, what fun thing, what enthusiast vehicle, et cetera, et cetera. So I think that's, that's indicative of what our audience is into.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, let's see. Bad Gardener says if you were to get some genie in a bottle or whatever that allowed you to swap garages with somebody, who would you do it with? Assume some degree of reality in main maintenance. So we don't all pick Leno. So I can't say Ralph Lauren.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, I mean, the other person on. In my transaction is getting. Because they're getting one car. You know, I would trade places with Leah Block so I could have the unicorn in all of Ken's car.

[Matt Farah]

That's a better one than my pick. Yeah. Or who. Who is the guy who just bought Bernie Ecclestone's entire collection?

[Zach Klapman]

Red Bull.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Swap with that guy. Yeah. Saw Miller Light Expressway. That's, I think, three things. No, it's two things. That's only two things. Millerite, when he put Miller Lite in the middle of Sawmill Expressway is pretty interesting.

[Zach Klapman]

What is Sawmill Expressway?

[Matt Farah]

It's a highway leading north out of New York City where there used to be sawmills. It's actually a relatively nice little driving road, actually. Do little interior rattles bother you or do you tune them out? You know what's so funny? Depends whose car I'm in. If I'm in someone else's car, car don't really give a shit. In my own car, it's the end of the world.

[Zach Klapman]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Tear the fucking interior out. Find it. I don't care.

[Zach Klapman]

Mine's getting a lot worse.

[Matt Farah]

Here's the thing, though. Well, you've taken your interior part so many times. That's why I try to minimize taking interiors apart. I really try to avoid that when possible. The 95% of the time. Time when I'm trying to find a rattle, my, like, dealer, dealer service, advisors, whatever's like, did you take everything out of the car? And I go, yeah. They go, did you really. Did you really take everything out of the car? Did you really look for everything? And finally I go, look again. I find something. Rattle gone. 95% of the time, it's the stuff.

[Zach Klapman]

It's always a pen and a door or something.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It's not the car, it's the stuff. Yeah. See, Andy in Colorado says, is there a better macan replacement than another macan? I mean, if you like the macan, I don't think it has. Does a macan have a real competitor right now? That's, like, great. I mean, you can go to a. You can go to an SQ5. Those are fun. You can go to an X3.

[Zach Klapman]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

X3M. Those can be fun. The X3 is the only thing that BMW makes right now that I like aesthetically, thickly, at all. Really. I mean, you could go with a.

[Zach Klapman]

Does Lexus have any.

[Matt Farah]

You get a Taycan. I mean, if you. If that works for you. I don't know if it's Colorado, so maybe you might not like that so much. But, like, I think a Taycan in snow would be sweet.

[Zach Klapman]

I think macan's really good because it also just is pretty restrained. Styling, I mean, the new one, I don't really like the new headlights they put on the EV and stuff, but I think for a long time Porsche just kept their styling very restrained and smooth. And it's what I like versus what other car companies have done with all the angles.

[Matt Farah]

How about cpo Panamera wagon? Whatever the best version of that is that you can afford.

[Zach Klapman]

I mean, that's very cool. But I think macan. To me, the ground clearance is beneficial for, you know, you wanted to go to the mountains for snow or you want to go on a hike and park on a rocky parking lot or whatever. It has all that.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. Zwart's got a Panamera. He rocks it in the mountains.

[Zach Klapman]

That's true. He does. Yeah. I don't know how smooth his road.

[Matt Farah]

Is, but I think it's literal rally stage.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

To his house. I think it's a literal.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, maybe it may be a Panamera wagon also, because those are, I think, dynamically a little better than a Macan, you know, But. But yeah. Randy says Fuck Mary, kill 1965 ally Alfa Romeo, Julia, SS, BMW 2002. Did I say Romeo? Alfa Romeo, Alfa, Romeo, Alfa, Romeo, BMW Deuce, Double O Deuce and a Citron SM.

[Zach Klapman]

I would marry the 2002. I would. I would. I have never driven the Alpha, so I would kill the Alpha and I would fuck the SM because it's a really fun. I drove one once and that's as much as I need to drive one. And it's very special and memorable and. And that's it. Because the Alpha, I think, also looks weird.

[Matt Farah]

The Alpha does look weird. But I would marry the Alpha, fuck the Citroen and kill the BMW 2002. Wow. I'm a 2002 hater.

[Zach Klapman]

Really?

[Matt Farah]

I drove that one. That was like the best one that there could be. And it was so dog shit, slow and unimpressive compared to even a modest 911 of the period.

[Zach Klapman]

That's true. In 2002, as they got more expensive, they became less valuable, if you know what I mean. That's a good point. Have you driven? Ali's car is pretty great.

[Matt Farah]

Ali's car has a fucking S54 Evo engine in it. And that is not a 2002. That is a race car.

[Zach Klapman]

It's a very comfortable race car.

[Matt Farah]

If that car was in an E30, it would be the same car.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, I mean, I've driven Sam Smith's also, which is Like a rust bucket with the. Absolutely, absolutely. Stock engine.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

And it is still like a friendly, fun thing. I just. Maybe if I drove this Alpha, I would change my mind. But it just looks like a slightly better looking Carmen Ghia. What engines under the hood do you know?

[Matt Farah]

A 16, 1.6 liter.

[Zach Klapman]

That's not gonna be fast.

[Matt Farah]

Dual overhead cam.

[Zach Klapman]

That's not gonna be fast.

[Matt Farah]

That probably weighs like 1400 pounds.

[Zach Klapman]

That's probably true.

[Matt Farah]

And it's eligible for, like, you know, like the Colorado grand and stuff.

[Zach Klapman]

Let's see.

[Matt Farah]

It's eligible for, like, vintage rallying, like.

[Zach Klapman]

A boss 2260, 300.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, so still pretty. Pretty light.

[Zach Klapman]

Okay. Interesting. I like that. We had very different choices.

[Matt Farah]

Piggly Wiggly Deluxe says the Lamborghini Diablos have that hideous passenger airbag sticking out of the dash. What is the ugliest required interior feature of any car you've seen? That's pretty funny. I mean, early 90s, airbag steering wheels across the board were real bad.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. It looked like a lunchbox was glued to your steering wheel. This huge print, prominent.

[Matt Farah]

Just fucking. Yeah. The passenger airbag on the Diablo was bad, but it was not. Go down. That's the original. There it is.

[Zach Klapman]

Holy moly.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's got a big old tumor on it.

[Zach Klapman]

You could put a lunch tray on that and it would not fall down. No joke.

[Matt Farah]

I think you're supposed to put a mirror on it and it doesn't fall down also.

[Zach Klapman]

I mean, that is a foot deep. That's crazy.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's really crazy. That is not as bad, actually, if we're talking about bad features as the 1991 Lamborghini Diablo gauge cluster, also referred to as the double Decker gauge cluster. And when you see it, you can't unsee it. The second picture from the right gives you. Oh, yeah. Any of those really give you a good look, see a good look, see at the original Diablo gauge cluster, which is why people still don't really like 91s, even though that usually. Usually it's like the early car, the pure car, the pure design. When it comes to a 91 Diablo, people are like, nah, I feel like.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, two people that worked on the interior department got in a fight, and for some reason, they both won.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

This is.

[Matt Farah]

Isn't that so much gauge? It's so high.

[Zach Klapman]

It is so prominent above the dashboard. I mean, this thing extends like a foot above the dash, silly.

[Matt Farah]

Wow.

[Zach Klapman]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Like, it's like someone had contracted Lamborghini to build, like, the mail trucks for northern Italy. They had already Designed a gauge cluster for that and they were like, yeah, we'll just do that.

[Zach Klapman]

I think the gauge salesman had dirt on whoever designed the. This is really one of the worst things I've ever seen.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean, I would truly like, you know, if I want a 91, because 91s are really raw. They're rear wheel drive, you know, and they're very much like late countaches underneath. And some people love that. No power steering, you know, really raw. And some people are really into that. But even if I was, I would absolutely get the 1994 dash from somewhere and fucking put it in there because this is just brutal.

[Zach Klapman]

Yep. Terrible.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

It impedes your vision. Really.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And so when people talk about Diablos being undervalued, some of it is a little justified because that's fucking awful. But to answer the question, I mean, the airbag is bad. The US power seat belts of the late 80s is pretty bad.

[Zach Klapman]

I didn't mind those that much. You were into that. I just didn't care because once it went and it's out of my field of view, versus that gauge cluster is always in my field of view and terrible.

[Matt Farah]

You ever see an F40 with those power seatbelts?

[Zach Klapman]

No. That's weird though. That seems like two generations intersecting.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they made them do it. The Testarossa downstairs has them.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, it does?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It's got power seat belts. It's fucking crazy. I'm pretty sure Ferrari has a retrofit to take those out. If we take those shits out, I wouldn't be surprised if nearly all the F40s by now have had them taken out.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, I would say the Tesla Model S's steering wheel is my least favorite interior feature.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, the yoke.

[Zach Klapman]

The yoke.

[Matt Farah]

The yoke is really, really, really bad. Not only just aesthetically and functionally, but also what it is clearly designed, implicate, is about to happen and is so clearly not, which is self driving and.

[Zach Klapman]

Or, yeah, that is also like. It's like a fighter jet, but it's not. It's like a heavy car with not enough brake.

[Matt Farah]

Franz Hermann.

[Zach Klapman]

That's funny.

[Matt Farah]

How would you like to see the Camaro come back in the future? I'd love to see. Okay, all right, all right. How about a retro future version of the Iraq? Can we do that? Because for the last 15 years, the Camaro has been on this retro future version of the 60s thing. But let's kick that formula into a more contemporary generation like Hyundai with that N70, whatever the fuck concept that looks like an 80s car. Let's go with an Irok Camaro type of vibe. Right. With a black wing power train. And what did your. Your facial expression told me that like.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, well. So Franz Herman.

[Matt Farah]

Am I about to get divorced?

[Zach Klapman]

No, that was. That was the fake name that Max Verstappen used when he did a Nurburgring test recently. So the name's funny, so I typed it in. But also someone named Herman Franz, same spelling but flipped, was a high ranking officer in the Nazi party.

[Matt Farah]

Cool.

[Zach Klapman]

So I'm wondering like Max, did you. How did Max come up with this name? That's why my face. I went, oh, I wonder. But I'm just. We'll go on faith. I'm sure that our user here was just making a joke about Max. So it's nice to have Max Verstappen asking the smoking tire questions is what I'm saying.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Nice. Cam says, what's the most beautiful car on sale right now and why is it the new Vanquish? You know, I still haven't actually seen the Vanquish in person yet. We're supposed to drive it in three weeks, but I haven't seen one yet. The most beautiful car on sale right now.

[Zach Klapman]

What if I. 296. Pretty stunning.

[Matt Farah]

296S are very pretty. The cheaper car, the.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, is the Spider still for sale?

[Matt Farah]

You can still get a 718 spider.

[Zach Klapman]

I mean, not to. I'm not trying to kiss you.

[Matt Farah]

Right. Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

When I. It's a really good looking car. It is a very good, very good looking car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. You don't. You're not kissing my ass. I didn't design that motherfucker.

[Zach Klapman]

That's a really good looking car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

From pretty much all the.

[Matt Farah]

The.

[Zach Klapman]

Because I think that. I think the Astons are. They're better looking, but because they have so much engine, the front mouth now is humongous because they have to cool down these turbos and everything. So I think that's a little bit big.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I'd like to say like a McLaren 750, but I don't think it's actually that quote, beautiful. I just love how it drives so much that I don't care how it looks. It looks great. But I don't. I'm trying to think of what, like, I mean, it's not fair, but like maybe, maybe like the Singer, that new Singer, like Carrera thing is pretty slick.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, that's true. I agree.

[Matt Farah]

That's that route, the roof SCR that we drove or ctrs. I mean those are incredibly clean and beautiful that.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. And they're, they're technically an oem. We're singers. Just a restoration shop.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach Klapman]

That's a tough call. Yeah, well, they brought up Vanquish. They're going expensive anyway, so we can go expensive.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, well, I mean look, the most beautiful car on sale is always going to be something expensive. Curves cost more money.

[Zach Klapman]

That's true, they do. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

They literally. Curves literally cost money.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. The machinery is more expensive.

[Matt Farah]

I'm going to revisit that after we go to the Quail this year and see. See what is happening. Oh, speaking of which, you know, we're going to get to drive, you know, the Evoluto 355. We're going to get it for a week.

[Zach Klapman]

Really?

[Matt Farah]

After Pebble. Yeah, it's going to be shown at Quail because they were trying to fly me to Scotland to drive it and blah blah, blah, it didn't work out. You know, it's our two, our friends over there, you know, Amjad, who was, who was higher ups at Gunther and Rob, who was the PR person at Lotus, who we worked with when we went to Goodwood. And so, you know, they trust us with the car and whatever. So we got somewhere safe to keep it.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh my God.

[Matt Farah]

So they're gonna. Yeah, they're leave us with us for a week. It's a right hand drive car.

[Zach Klapman]

Sure, whatever. I gotta.

[Matt Farah]

I'm pretty sure it's. Well, I don't know. They might have an another one. Now that. Now that I think about it, it's possible there's another one. There's a left hand drive one, but you could.

[Zach Klapman]

I have. But the last time I drove a right hand drive car was the Focus rs. I think it was that in England.

[Matt Farah]

Really?

[Zach Klapman]

I think so. The manual, the last one. I think so.

[Matt Farah]

You have to practice on the NSXR downstairs. Just get it back, you know.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, that seems like a safe, inexpensive idea.

[Matt Farah]

Jared says. Just did my first track day with my 86 through the Toyota HPDE thing. Okay. CO. Everything went great until lap two when a guy put a car into the wall. Apparently turned off all traction and stability control functions. Everyone says eventually you will need to turn them off to really drive the car properly yourself. Two related questions. I didn't notice or feel traction control kicking in throughout the day without being able to notice when it does. How do you know when you've gotten to the point where it's time to turn it off? Okay, that's a good question. And two Actually, should we answer. Let's answer the first one first. I mean, I think if traction control didn't kick in throughout the day, then you did your first track day properly.

[Zach Klapman]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Correct. You really shouldn't be getting into the traction control too much in your very first track day.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

If you're smooth with your inputs and rolling onto the power and hitting your apex and cornering points in a car like that. Now, lap two could have been cold that morning. You know, lap two is. That's when lap two could be. Cold track, cold tires, cold driver, cold.

[Zach Klapman]

Driver, but bold driver.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Lap two is when people crash. The first lap is a sighting lap and the second lap is. I fucking got this.

[Zach Klapman]

Exactly. And they think they know, especially if they're new to the track and they think they know where the track goes, and then they get a oops, it actually goes turns left instead of right. Sure, there's so many things that could go wrong there.

[Matt Farah]

But your first track day, leave the shit on. And if it's not kicking in, you're probably driving properly.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. Especially with modern traction control is much more sophisticated. Like my car's traction control. The light was coming on in the canyon because it's from 2002.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

I was not sliding. I was not slipping anything. It was just the computer detected a rate of speed with the wheel turned. And it wasn't accounting for gripping tires. But these things, like a new 86, I mean. And you also have like a sport mode option. You can turn it on medium and then it'll give you a little bit of slip. But in the beginning, just keep it turned on. And if you drive smoothly, like you said, you shouldn't see any of those lights popping on you. Just work on your technique.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Now, eventually, you will start driving fast enough, once you're comfortable doing that, that you will hit the limit of that and it will start. You'll know because a light will flash at you and you will feel some level of power being pulled from car. And number two question was, I asked the instructors about how to know you're at the limit of grip for the tires. They said you'll hear a difference in the noise it goes from to. And that's when you're out of grip. Can you give a more elaborate explanation? That's certainly one. They're not wrong.

[Zach Klapman]

They're not. Yeah. I like that impression.

[Matt Farah]

It's a pretty funny thing to say. And he's not wrong. I mean, basically, like, if your car is understeering or oversteering, meaning it's not pointed exactly where you want it for one reason or another, either it's pointed too much in or too much out. You are out of grip. So when your input doesn't match the direction of travel of your car perfectly, you've hit the limit.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. I mean, the most common thing is understeer, where you're trying to go through a question corner. You're hearing louder and louder tire noise with most tires. Some tires are quieter than others, so you can't 100% rely on that, but you're having to add more and more steering wheel and the car is still not turning more towards your objective. So that's when you're under steering and that's how you know.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And a lot of times, especially if you're hearing that noise, but you're not getting into the traction control. You're under steering, not over steering.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, good point.

[Matt Farah]

And you're getting just enough. As you're coming out of the corner, you'll notice that car is continuing to want to go more straight and you're trying to fight it to go down the straightaway. That's too much throttle too early, and that's what that sound is. But basically, if the car is not pointed for either too much in or too much out, not pointed exactly where you want it, you are past the limit of grip. And you can do a variety of things to get back within that limit of grip. Usually you start by slowing down a little bit.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. And with oversteer, their impression of sounds is pretty accurate because like a little slip or even a drift is a certain tone. But as it gets louder, it's usually right when you're about to lose it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, it goes.

[Matt Farah]

If you're leaving traction control on in a car with 230 horsepower, it is unlikely that you're going to get too much accidental oversteer.

[Zach Klapman]

Very true. For more than half a second and then it'll correct it for you.

[Matt Farah]

Cameron wants a unique daily driver that can double as a work vehicle for my aviation diesel retailing business in LA Orange County. Okay. I don't need much space, just room for some equipment and a collapsible ladder. No water tank. I'm open to trucks, wagons or midsize SUVs. Something that feels more unique and special than my current Q5. I do my own wrenching 15 to 20K. Cameron, I absolutely respect what you're trying to do here. I can't recommend this enough. Buy a fucking commercial. Commercial van. Whether that's a transit or like A Transit connect or like your life. I know people who have done this. My trainer is one. My trainer recently shout out to him fit like Sean on Instagram. He comes to you if you're in la. He's fucking great. And he has a gym and a van and I fortunately have most of my own equipment. But he could train you in the park or on the beach or at a fucking apartment complex or whatever. And he, when I first started working out with him, had a Toyota Sienna min minivan. And six months ago he got a Transit and his fucking workflow and life and all changed. And having been in sort of adjacent to the mobile detailing business in the past, trust me, get a work vehicle like it's for that. Having said that, assuming you've already thought about all this and don't want to want that an interesting vehicle for 15 to 20k, what does that get you? In the world of interesting.

[Zach Klapman]

It might be tough. A Volvo wagon I think would be very cool, especially like a V60 if it has enough space. To me, for some reason, it's a sophisticated car, lends itself to aviation stuff. It's stylish, it's comfortable, it rides really nice. All that, all those things. But 20 grand used, it's going to be very high mileage. So that might.

[Matt Farah]

A Mercedes 300D wagon.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Highway 90s Mercedes wagons, man. Other than like CTSVs and like really fast wagons, there aren't a lot of like great wagons.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, especially 15 to 20. Yeah, that's not, I mean accurate. You get like an accurate. What was it, the TLX wagon? They sold for a little bit, but.

[Matt Farah]

No one's gonna look at that and go, wow, that's a unique vehicle.

[Zach Klapman]

I will. No, that's true.

[Matt Farah]

Going with money.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. I mean if you're trying to impress your clientele, it'll be really hard for this money. Unless you go old, like E30 wagon or you go E46 wagon. I mean that's a nice car, but that's kind of tight inside. Depending on how much room you have.

[Matt Farah]

How much room you need, 20k might get you a lightning. A second gen lightning lightning pickup truck.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Might get you an SRT10 RAM. Not a great one. It'll get you a Magnum.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, those are cool. Yeah, I like those things a lot.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's not much money though to get something cool to daily commute in California and as a work, like almost as a commercial vehicle.

[Zach Klapman]

So it needs a lot of space inside because some of These wagons we've mentioned the interior. Interior space, while big for a sedan is not that huge. If you're putting like tall machinery in there of some kind, it's going to be a pain in the ass versus just using a transit.

[Matt Farah]

Uh oh. Oh, it's a cat question. I can't answer that question without seeing what they're talking about, I'm sorry to say. Oh, more Fuck Mary kill. Fine. Just the Tiptronic Lando Norris personal Collection Miura Carrera GT F40.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, I've never driven any of these, so that. Just to clarify, but.

[Matt Farah]

But now you know you can fit in an F40.

[Zach Klapman]

I can.

[Matt Farah]

Now I know that I can fit in an F40 cuz fat matt could not fit in an F40 and now I can.

[Zach Klapman]

I'm actually surprised because my hair touched the roof, so. Was your head on the roof?

[Matt Farah]

Yep.

[Zach Klapman]

So you got to drop the seat somehow.

[Matt Farah]

Yep.

[Zach Klapman]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

That's okay. I don't mind that. But I could physically get. I couldn't get in it back in the day because of that carbon sill they put on the side. And now I can, I can even put the car in first out reverse.

[Zach Klapman]

I might get hate for this, but I think I'd marry the GT and fuck the F40 and kill the Miura.

[Matt Farah]

That's fine. I would marry the F40, fuck the GT and kill the Miura. Miuras are beautiful, but they don't do it for me personally. Hmm. Okay, wait. Oh, okay. This is. I've never heard that this phrase used before, but I think I know what Tim A means. Can you share insight on what makes a good or bad quote communication spec that an OEM chooses to use in marketing materials? Is he saying what makes a good press car?

[Zach Klapman]

I think so.

[Matt Farah]

What makes a good press car? Got it. A bright memorable color that is flashy, photographs well, shows the curve of the cars well, but is not sort of out of line with the brand. I think Bentley does a pretty good job of that with some of their orange Rolls Royce sometimes nails it and sometimes goes too far. Like with that crazy watermelon car I drove, the green Specter that was watermelon. You know, you want them to have plenty of options because you want to be able for the journalists to test and use the options. But you don't want to spec them high enough that people are like, holy shit, $140,000. What the fuck? You know? You know, it's more important that the car has the functional options than all the cosmetic ones. But you know, they Want it to look good. So they're going to load it up and be photographed. Right. And are there some all time great press car specs that you permanently associate with a car? I don't know. I would say no because once you start to see them all in all different colors and stuff at all, I mean there's cars I'll see later, like now where it's kind of a funny color and it wasn't done like great. And you go, oh, that's the launch color. Remember like the yellow SLK Mercedes?

[Zach Klapman]

Oh yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Or there's like a weird like highlighter green for like the Kia Niro or something.

[Zach Klapman]

Like Audi did that, didn't they also like a really bright green.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, Audi's had some crazy. Like the Audi S3 and the launch of the Python Green and the RS3. I actually don't mind it on the Audis as much, but some. Sometimes it's like. But usually once you start seeing the cars and all the other colors it does, you don't permanently associate it with that.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, I think I Remember this is 2016 and we had a 911 Carrera S in yellow and it had a lot of yellow accents. Yeah, Black and yellow, which like highlights. Here's what you can change. And that was a very effective way.

[Matt Farah]

To point out that way of doing that. Yeah, there are some like special editions liveries that aren't necessarily press cars. Like the 40th anniversary Merciel with the sort of teal they did or stuff like that. The Momo colored purple, the Diablo SE30 purples and the Momos like stuff like that. But that's not like a launch spec. Now a lot of these companies, I mean, Volkswagen did it, Bentley did it. We just had some other car that had a first edition or launch edition which is just a collection of fucking 50 grand in options.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. And it basically like, oh, you're getting one of the first ones. It's going to cost a lot.

[Matt Farah]

Did you. There was a story, this was morning. Bentley and Lamborghini represent 1% of VAG volume by vehicle and 60% of their profit margins.

[Zach Klapman]

Whoa.

[Matt Farah]

1 to 60. Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

That's how much money they're making because you got the Performante.

[Zach Klapman]

That's how much profit is in those cars and how little profit is in a Passat. Whoa. What a conversion. Wow. So when you go to your dealership and you say, can you work on the price? And they say no. And you're buying a Bentley, you like actually you fucking can.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Do the weird thing. Says qualifying at Monaco is such a spectacle. And then I will add in that the racing at Monaco proceeds to suck. And that's. The cars are too big, right. So they can't pass, you know, and I would like to see that. Like, I would like to turn Monaco into a vintage race or a spec race, you know, in some, you know, Formula Junior or some shit.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, whatever.

[Matt Farah]

Tiny little. Yeah. F3 car and you know, spec cars prepared by the FIA. You know, you draw a lottery and it counts for points. You put the livery on the car, you know, it looked. You make it look like.

[Zach Klapman]

I like that idea.

[Matt Farah]

But like, I get why they have it. It makes total sense. It makes a ton of money. It's beautiful. It's a fucking party. Nobody wants to get rid of it. But also the racing sucks. So, like, how do you fix that?

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, I mean, and do the weird thing went on. Maybe the F1 should make it a weekend time trial with point at stake. I don't think they would do that because it. Because then you're just having a qualifying, you know, and then you're just qualifying and then qualifying. You have to have people doing wheel to wheel stuff. But the problem is the cars are too big. The track hasn't grown and yet it's such a pedestal on the calendar. Like, I mean, they got rid of Spa. I guess they might remove Imola for a couple of seasons and they're gonna keep Monaco. So they know it. They know that the fans don't like it and they're keeping it because it's such an institution, which is such a weird thing.

[Matt Farah]

That's amazing. That's usually, usually America does stuff like that.

[Zach Klapman]

It's just like, you know, they are like Imola had. I mean, Imola hasn't turned out a really great race, but at least there's more room. But Monica hasn't turned out a good.

[Matt Farah]

Race in a very.

[Zach Klapman]

Like a decade.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

You know, but they just keep it there because I think the people that finance the racing want to sit on their yacht.

[Matt Farah]

Everybody wants to party.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, everybody wants. And maybe there's some. I mean there. Maybe there's another. Other financial benefits such as tax things or whatever for. I. I don't know. I'm literally throwing something at the wall because I have a mic microphone in front of my face. Like I don't know anything about anything. But the race, there was not one pass, right? Not one actual on track pass.

[Zach Klapman]

I think there was none that were legal. And because George Russell passed on the infield Very funny. A couple people hit each other but even with the two stop thing it didn't really change the order. Qualifying was exciting. It was really tight. And shout out to Norris for doing what he did and finally converting pole position into, into a win. But yeah, you just, you can't do anything there.

[Matt Farah]

I think it should, I think they should raise little ass formula cars or like carts, like shifter carts or something. It would be fucking cool.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

They all love karting. Make it a cart race, you know, grudge match. Let's see Chris Chin, Jimmy Foot, don't get it, but let's go with it. 2011 Evora S with low miles just sold on bat for 50. A comparable Evora 400 is roughly 15k mild more and an Evora GT from 2020 is about 25k more. Which one would be the best value for me I'm going to go with 400. The 400 to the GT is a very, very incremental difference in dynamics and it's really just that changed front end and stuff. There's not a lot of real differences between those two. The difference from an s to a 400 is significant and probably worth the 15 because you'd get more on the back end as well. But these have, I mean 50 for an S is like it's not the floor but like it's basically the floor. Like the ones that are below 50 grand navoras are like kind of shitters like the good ones. Like in Elise, the floor is 35 exige, the floor is probably 48. And of course Evora, a base Evora, the floor is like in the 40s. An S, the floor is like pretty much 50. Although low miles, maybe it would go down a little more. But Lotuses are immune from miles. Toyota powered Lotuses, they're basically immune from miles at the floor. They go down to the floor and then they just stay there and then it's just like. Does it have oil in it? Has it been crashed? No. Yes. No. Okay, cool. You know, all right. Your mom drives a stick said most new M5 reviews focus on the car's weight and its comparisons to a predecessor. But the fact that we get a wagon now opens the car up to more buyers, isn't its place. Versus the RS6E53AMG wagon and the software sporty SUV's much more pertinent. I mean, I don't think much of the weight comes from it being a wagon. I think it comes from it being an all wheel drive hybrid with all kinds of tech and Electric range and all kinds of stuff like that. So it's not. You're making an A to B comparison that isn't an A to B comparison. Yeah, it could have made a fully internal combustion wagon if they wanted to.

[Zach Klapman]

Right. The RS6 weighs 4,982 pounds, so 5,000 pounds. And the new M5 is 5,400. I think for the sedan, the wagon's probably even more so. £400, I mean, percentage wise isn't a huge difference, no pun intended, but it is a significantly heavy car. And yeah, you're not comparing the same thing. Like, you're very excited about wagons. I get that. And it's cool that we now have an M5 wagon competing with these other awesome some wagons. But people's main complaint is not remedied. You know, you can go, well, I'm stoked as a wagon, but it's just not the same.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, the thing is, like, I haven't driven the new M5 wagon, but I've driven the, the E63 wagon, the outgoing one. That was pretty good. The RS6 is, in my opinion, not that great. I mean, it looks beautiful, it does what it's supposed to do, but I find it to be very forgettable. And everyone I know who's owned one, five or six of my clients have owned them. They don't own them for long. They get bored of them really, really fast. Unless you're in Germany actually going 200 mile an hour in these cars, they're not that interesting to drive. They just happen to be very, very fast. And so I think the component complaint that we're getting is the heavier and faster and more techy that a car gets, it just contributes to a cycle of ever more. And it just seems that all cars are just going that way. So to see BMW take such a big leap that way that almost leapfrogs the other cars is sad because weight is objectively bad, even if you have very good technology. Right.

[Zach Klapman]

Last page.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. Auto X faded. Whatever happened to wheel well? I don't know, man. That thing was probably shut down.

[Zach Klapman]

Auto cross faded. That's very funny.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, Auto cross faded. Yeah, got it, got it. Steadfast update on the nsx. Don't really have one. It got serviced back in March and manual service. Oil was clean, everything was fine. Filters everything great. Brake pads, everything checked out. It was fine. And I haven't driven it very much because I've been busy this summer. I'm going to drive it when I get back from Italy. Ryan Morris says Wait, oh, oh. How would you rank the generations of Mustang? There's so many of them. That's like a 25 minute topic.

[Zach Klapman]

We can do that as a large.

[Matt Farah]

There's like eight generations Mustang or nine. There's a lot.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. I don't know offhand what Busch did.997's question means we'd have to look that one up. Clapman's freshman dorm bed says I'm considering a local E30 with a blown motor as a project car. Well done. S54 swaps seem excellent. What other engines would be good in an E30? Dude, any bigger, more powerful BMW inline six pretty much works. I mean up to a point. Right? Like you can put like an S52 or an M50 or an M. You could put like any later 3 series engine really up to like an E46 engine in an E30 and it would be fine and good.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. The new hotness is the K swap. But I've heard like our friend Art has one that's kind of being built and refined and it's pretty buzzy. People like it because it shifts the weight balance back versus if you have the traditional inline six. Sure. But it just has different harmonics and things. So I think that is like the new thing that's being figured out because you don't want to put like I wouldn't want to put more weight over the nose or bring that weight forward or anything like that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But I'm comfortable with the stock weight.

[Zach Klapman]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

You know, and another BMW inline six isn't going to drastically shove the weight forward versus an E30s iron block fucking whatever inline six.

[Zach Klapman]

Very good point. Yeah. I was thinking E30 M3 versus.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, if it's an M. Yeah. No, a regular six cylinder one like I don't know, I'd like to keep that.

[Zach Klapman]

That car six cylinder, you know, be sick if it fit. Is one uz.

[Matt Farah]

Yes. You know what else would be sick? The BMW K 1600 six cylinder engine from the motorcycle.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, that would be nice.

[Matt Farah]

1.6 liter inline 6 that revs to like 11.

[Zach Klapman]

How much power does it make?

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. Look it up. BMW K 1600. Yeah. In the bike it's a transverse inline six.

[Zach Klapman]

1.6 liter, 160 horsepower. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I mean that's probably more than any stock E30. No, that's not true.

[Zach Klapman]

It's pretty close.

[Matt Farah]

That's. How much. What did a stock E30M3 make?

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, E30M3 or that might have been.

[Matt Farah]

200 maybe, but 160 horsepower. Revving out, revving out to like 11. That's. That could be pretty cool.

[Zach Klapman]

All right. E30M3 made 192 horsepower.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Zach Klapman]

So that's a little more. But what is like, like a 92? 325 is make.

[Matt Farah]

It's probably like 150, 160 something.

[Zach Klapman]

Got that nice torque though. 189.

[Matt Farah]

Oh. All right.

[Zach Klapman]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Zach Klapman]

That's pretty good. Oh. So the Brabham and Chaparral question. So those are both fan cars. Those are from the fan Years of F1. And I will you show. Show you. They look very different and I'm sure.

[Matt Farah]

So we have the Gordon Murray designed Brabham BT46. Oh yeah. Okay. This one. I know, the red Parmalot car, right?

[Zach Klapman]

Yes, that one. This crazy thing. Remember this?

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yes. Okay. I don't. I don't. This fucking. I know this Chaparral thing works, but God, is that ugly.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Fucking doorstop thing.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. Terrifying.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Not a good looking car. I'll take Gordon Murray's design. That's a very pretty car.

[Zach Klapman]

Absolutely.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. All day.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Good question. Now I know what the fuck I'm talking about. Last one. Watch the living with the GTS video. That's our new 992.2 video. It's up on our channel right now. And yeah, I already did the video from the launch with the racetrack and the mountains and blah, blah. So instead this time I did 600 miles in the 992 GTS Hybrid and I made a video talking about what that, that was like. And actually I thought differently about the car after the end of that week than I thought after coming back from the launch. So that's a fun thing. And go watch that. How easy is it to tune these cars? I have absolutely no fucking idea. Mitch McKee of M Engineering has some ideas of how to do it. I don't know if one has been done yet. It's certainly going to be more complicated than a regular car. But I don't know. I have absolutely no idea how that works. But the smart nerd. I'll email him and when he figures it out he can let us know. And then follows up a tuned T or S, particularly with a manual. You cannot get a manual on the S anymore. If you want to stick, you have to get the T. Seems like it would offer a superior and simpler road driving experience. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. Having a manual eliminates that normal mode bogginess of the 3 liter turbo engine and also the Carrera S, if you put it in sport, has a better ride than the gts, is nearly as quick and the fuel economy isn't much worse.

[Zach Klapman]

And a tuned tune up, tune up.

[Matt Farah]

T or tune up S would be very fun.

[Zach Klapman]

Just choose your transmission effectively.

[Matt Farah]

By the way, I do have a video up. We have videos up with the T and the S and you can go watch those on the YouTubes right now. All right. Well, by the time most people are listening to this, both of us will be back from our trips. But Zach's going to race lemons at Thunderhill with Team Glucker, Team Hooniverse this weekend. I'm going to Italy with my family to do absolutely nothing related to cars. But we love you all. We will be back with more smoking tire podcast. The content will flow seamlessly as if we never left. See you next time. Bye.