New Car-Buying Law; Century is Back; Spyker Returns?; THAT Ferrari One-Off

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast – Episode Summary

Episode: New Car-Buying Law; Century is Back; Spyker Returns?; THAT Ferrari One-Off
Hosts: Matt Farah, Zack Klapman
Date: October 23, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Matt and Zack cover a broad span of automotive topics, from the return of ultra-niche brands and wild one-off Ferraris to a significant new car-buying law in California and Toyota's surprising leap beyond Lexus. As always, conversation is loaded with their signature blend of humor, honest critique, and deep industry insight, making it both informative and highly entertaining for auto enthusiasts and casual listeners alike.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Military Exercises Unexpectedly Disrupt Commute (00:45–06:00)

• The show opens with both hosts laughing about an odd military live-fire exercise near San Diego, which resulted in highway signs flashing "LIVE FIRE" all the way up to LA and even shrapnel hitting CHP vehicles.
  • Matt Farah (02:11): “Shrapnel hit two CHP vehicles… Vehicles doing Marine Corps demonstration at Pendleton.”
  • Both hosts express amusement and disappointment at how underwhelming the event looked compared to their expectations (“I thought they’d launch cruise missiles like dolphins at SeaWorld.”).
  • They joke about comparisons to over-the-top North Korean dictatorial displays vs. the reality of just “a 75-yard line of big cannons on the beach.”

2. Ferrari SC40 One-Off: Design Disaster or Masterpiece? (06:01–13:00)

• Discussion turns to the new, one-off Ferrari SC40, described as an F40 homage for a private client.
  • Matt (06:08): "They're cashing in on their F40 retro futurism... except the problem is... this is bad. Really, like really bad."
  • Extensive debate on Ferrari’s modern one-offs, focusing on why blending square classic cues (like the F40's) with Ferrari’s recently “curvaceous” design language ends up looking awkward.
  • Zack scrolls through Ferrari’s recent one-offs, comparing the SC40’s styling missteps to more successful efforts like SP38, the F12 TRS, and the Clapton 512 Boxer tribute.
  • Matt (11:04): “It ends up looking like an MC20 kit car... the headline should be, ‘Man in rural Russia builds his own MC20.’ And with that, I've been uninvited from every Ferrari event.”
  • Both agreed that the white wheels were a particularly bad idea.

3. Quick Touch: New Mobility Devices (18:53–19:40)

• Short chat about the founder of Infinite Machines (the “Cybertrucky” scooter) and their minimalist, more practical new designs for e-bikes and standup scooters.

4. Spyker’s Return – Can Retro-Exotic Keep Up? (19:41–26:09)

• News breaks that Dutch boutique automaker Spyker is back after resolving a long-standing ownership dispute.
  • Matt (20:39): “Now that anti-screens is a thing in sports cars, they’re pretty well poised to come back and be like ‘art deco interior, toggles, machine-turned...’.”
  • Reminiscences of driving Spykers—applauding their wild, aircraft-inspired interiors and rowdy V8s.
  • Used market prices and rare features like the La Violette’s “coolest roof scoop ever” are discussed.
  • Zack: “It just looks like an airplane that you drive on the ground. Like an old fighter plane.”
  • The hosts note that a non-airbag, vintage-style boat steering wheel was a highlight in earlier models.
  • Both agree a Spyker revival could thrive now that retro and analog interiors are back in style.

5. California’s New Car-Buying Law: Major Consumer Protections (26:10–36:36)

• Matt dives deep into the new California “CARS Act,” a significant consumer protection measure for car buyers.
  • Major points:
    • Full price disclosure: Dealers must provide transparent, all-in pricing.
    • Add-on restrictions: Bans “valueless” items like nitrogen tire refills unless exceeding 95% purity, oil changes for EVs, and any add-on that voids the manufacturer’s warranty (e.g., improperly applied ceramic coatings).
    • Three-day return policy: Used cars under $50k can be returned within three days and 400 miles for a full refund if not damaged.
    • Strict records retention: Dealers must keep compliance documents for two years.
  • Zack (29:44): “If you put less than 400 miles on the car… you can return that car.”
  • Matt (31:54): “These are laws written in people's fucking blood, essentially. Not, hopefully not literally, but you know what we mean.”
  • They joke about the scammy “nitrogen tire fill” and how the law tries to close such loopholes.

6. Toyota’s New Ultra-Luxury Brand: Century Goes Mainstream? (39:10–45:47)

• Discussion on rumors that Toyota will launch “Century” as a brand above Lexus for ultra-luxury vehicles.
  • Matt (39:10): “Toyota is going to basically try to build Bentleys, essentially… they probably can.”
  • Both hosts speculate on what makes cars like the Century and what it would take to succeed: ultra-high build quality, uniquely Japanese design cues, advanced creature comforts, but not just a re-badged LS.
  • Conversation about luxury EVs vs. range-extended hybrids, referencing Toyota’s expertise in refinement.
  • Zack (44:19): “If it’s a Camry V6 with a hybrid assist that gives it 500 hp, that’s enough. It needs some magic.”

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Highlight Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Ferrari’s Styling Misses
  • Matt (11:10): “The headline should be, ‘Man in rural Russia builds his own MC20.’ And with that, I’ve been uninvited from every Ferrari event.”
• On Military Exercises
  • Zack (04:12): “This is a smaller fireworks show... Putin and Kim Jong Un would do it bigger than this.”
• On Spykers and Retro Charm
  • Matt (23:04): “That’s the Chris Craft steering wheel. God, that's unbelievable… everything was like just super polished metal.”
• On the New Car-Buying Law
  • Matt (31:54): “These are laws written in people's fucking blood, essentially.”
  • Zack (36:52): “There's our new channel, the Nitro Brothers,” (joking about investigating tire nitrogen scams).
• On Century’s Design Philosophy
  • Zack (41:37): “They're usually a lot more subtle. Rolls Royce was, for decades, ‘Look at this giant fireplace, silver grill in the front.’”
• Lighter Moment: Dr. Hydraulics
  • Matt (38:05): “Dr. Hydraulics. Like, that dude's bouncing on the weekends with 16 switches… but it's actually the guy's initials.”

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Patreon Section & Q&A Highlights (52:36–End)

• Driving in the Wet: Both discuss how they don't particularly enjoy wet track days, noting the risk and psychological stress outweighs the claimed learning opportunities, despite racing schools insisting “you’re so lucky!” (54:16).
• Buying for Content? Matt is candid that although every purchase can become content, he doesn't buy cars solely for YouTube engagement (56:22).
• Kit Car Worthiness: Broad consensus—kit cars’ quality is highly dependent on builder skill and the donor car’s baseline; e.g., Caterhams and Factory Five’s 818 can be “pretty raw,” but build quality is everything (60:56).
• Rear-wheel-drive-converted 996 Turbo: Only “worth it” if you really want the sharper steering at the cost of all-weather usability and possible resale drama. Try a stock AWD first! (79:54).
• Slowest “Code Brown” Moments: Zack shares a brush with disaster while asleep in the back of a Crown Vic; Matt recalls locking up all brakes in a heavily laden Delica (77:36).
• Music Tastes: Both hosts reveal a deep appreciation for ‘90s alternative and punk (Green Day, Rise Against, Metallica, Offspring), with Matt adding Springsteen and Billy Joel to his eclectic mix (63:43).

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:45–06:00 – Military exercise shenanigans on the highway
• 06:01–13:00 – Ferrari SC40: retro-futurist design fails?
• 18:53–19:40 – Electric micro-mobility device design chat
• 19:41–26:09 – Spyker’s comeback and retro exotic admiration
• 26:10–36:36 – Deep dive: California’s new car-buying law
• 39:10–45:47 – Toyota “Century” ultra-luxury brand predictions
• 52:36–81:00 – Extended Q&A, including car choices, track driving, kit cars, and culture topics

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Original Language and Tone

The episode is fast-paced, irreverent, and deeply knowledgeable. The hosts’ self-deprecating humor combines with genuine expertise, blending technical car critique, social commentary, and banter about daily life.

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For listeners or readers who missed the show, expect a jam-packed episode highlighting why The Smoking Tire remains one of the most entertaining and insightful podcasts in the automotive world.

Transcript

[A]

What up, everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode is, as always, brought to you by off the Record. We love off the Record here at the Smoking Tire because they are looking out for you. If you get pulled over, don't plead guilty. Get off the record. Off the Record will fight a moving violation all the way up to the Supreme Court, if need be, in the jurisdiction where you got pulled over. That means you don't have to go back and go to court. And also, you want to fight these because a lot of times you. You can get the points off your record. And that means your insurance, maybe your job security, whatever driving privileges you have left will be in good hands and safe. So go to offtherecord.com TST that's offtherecord.com Tst to get 10% off all legal services from off the Record again, one more time offtherecord.com TST get you 10% off all legal services with off the record dot com. Don't plead guilty. Call our people. Trust me. All right, folks, on today's episode, there is a new consumer protection law in California. We are very excited because we live there. And so we're talking about that. We analyzed the new Ferrari SC40's design Spyker is back. And we predict our expectations for Toyota's new ultra luxury brand, Century. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast. Let's go. Yeah. If for those who are just joining us, which is everybody, because it's the start of the show, the military was doing some kind of exercise down by San Diego, which resulted in a bunch of the highway signs all the way up to la. Cause Hannah and I saw this as we were driving up the highway. There was these flat. The flashing LED road signs that tell you, you know, it's gonna be 20 minutes to LAX airport or whatever, 35 minutes to downtown. They were saying, live fire. Which the fuck is that about? I don't know.

[B]

But I don't think it went according to plan because that headline really says it all.

[A]

Shrapnel hit two CHP vehicles. Vehicles doing Marine Corps demonstration at Pendleton.

[B]

Yeah, I was genuinely curious, like, if this being like, you know, like, is the reaction overblown or have they never, ever done this before? And then this also went wrong. And then therefore, it's like.

[A]

I mean, I've been driving up and down, up and down California 15 years now. I'm pretty sure I've been here about as long as those fucking things exist. It's rare enough that it made the news. So I can't say that it's never happened. But like, I do picture that's making.

[B]

Me laugh a bit. So when we heard about this celebration, it was like allegedly for The Marine Corps 250th anniversary, which I guess technically is in November. I was expecting. I was like, oh, man, they must put like our big ships off the shore and then they launch things over the highway. Like, look at what we've made and engineered and all that stuff. Right?

[A]

Like essentially they treat cruise missiles like dolphins at SeaWorld.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

That's what I'm thinking.

[B]

Perfect analogy. Yeah, that's what I expected. And now I just found a photo. Of what? Of what was happening. It is. So please tell me this is underwhelming. It is. Look at that.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Oh, for people listening, we're looking at like five. I guess there'd be like big cannons that have just been, you know, put on the beach next to a couple of trucks.

[A]

I think you'd call those anti aircraft guns.

[B]

Maybe, maybe, but they're about that size, I guess for people it's like, you know, it's like 10ft long.

[A]

It's like a big gun on a trailer kind of. And then there's a couple of tanks or something that's next to those guns. Those look like tanks, right? Or a tank.

[B]

I see some Hummers.

[A]

I mean, I'm just.

[B]

I don't see any. And I know the Marine Corps is not the Navy, so it's dumb of me to assume they'd have ships. But this is just a lot less than I thought they would have to celebrate such a.

[A]

No. Haven't you ever seen a few good men? And I love you Navy boys. Whenever we have to go fight somewhere, y' all give us a ride. So they. I don't think they have ships. I think they just ride on the Navy.

[B]

Right? Yeah, that. That's my bet. This is just. This is a smaller fireworks show.

[A]

I thought when you were setting up what you were about to show me, I was like, oh, maybe they're doing like Revolutionary war shit, you know, maybe it's like old school and they're doing, you know what I mean, like muskets. Or something.

[B]

Slingshots?

[A]

Yeah, like. Well, not really. Yeah, maybe, I don't know, cannons and. No, yeah, like cannons. That's. That's where I thought you were going.

[B]

I guess this is the modern canon. This is the semi automatic canon. It's just, it's a lot less than I expected there to be, but it.

[A]

Looks like the entire line of Quote, live fire weaponry is about 75 yards long.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which in the context of Camp Pendleton, which you drive through for like 15 minutes. Huge there you can see them running operations like helicopter training with like, you know, all kinds of stuff down there. In the context of what I've just seen at Pendleton, driving to fucking Jillian's house.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is lamer than what I'm just.

[B]

I'm saying Putin and Kim Jong Un would do it bigger than this. They would do it way bigger.

[A]

Right. Like, he's not even dictating.

[B]

Well, this is, this is Ja Rule and Jay Z's watching going, that's not how you stunt.

[A]

This is, this is. No, this is like a Mar a Lago dictatorship. This isn't even like a real dictatorship.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

That shit isn't like that shit in the office. Ain't gold. That's like spray painted gold from Costco shit on the fucking wall.

[B]

Maybe. I think it might use real gold because that's. Whatever. I didn't mean to launch this. This is just funnier than I was expecting.

[A]

It's pretty lame.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Can we talk about something else that's pretty lame? Yes, it's pretty lame.

[B]

Yeah, sure.

[A]

Did you see the new Ferrari SC40?

[B]

No.

[A]

So it's, it's the stories over the weekend to talk about it being really a sort of the inspiration. They're, they're, they're cashing in on their F40 retro futurism. Like Lamborghini did with the Countach. Except the problem is, I don't know to me. And they're only making one. It's, it's for a guy. That's good. That's good. Is that, that's the exact right reaction because this is bad. Really, like really bad.

[B]

Did the, did the person who ordered it, and I'm definitely gonna assume it's a man.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[B]

I feel okay about that. Did, is this one, you know, did, did, did he specify this or does this like drawn by them and they pitch it like, you know, was the guy that made the one off thing 10 years ago. No, between him wraparound windshield, like, car look great. Terrible.

[A]

The P45 thing maybe?

[B]

The P45.

[A]

That's Glickenhouse.

[B]

Now somebody else.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

There's just, there's been some one offs that like, it's very tasteful and looks really good and cohesive. And then this just looks, this reminds me a little bit of the F80 where there's like a bunch of different eras colliding.

[A]

Yeah. The problem, I think is the F40 was a square car. The edges were all square. Modern Ferraris are very curvaceous, like stuff from the 60s. And it's the same thing with that new Testarossa that they've got going on. They're trying to turn a curvaceous car into a square. Like, use square elements on a curvaceous car. And it doesn't look right. It just looks weird. Like. Like the Enzo was a squid. Was like a square car, and the F40 is a square car. And the F. The F50 does split the difference a little bit, but I think it's a little more square than. Than. Than curvaceous in a lot of ways. But everything that's like 4, 5, 8, and up is extremely curvaceous. And to try and make those cars look square is really strange, I think. I think this is worse than the modern Countach. At least the Ventadores are wedgie. Like, at least the general shape of the car is right here.

[B]

I just found a post on Road and Track that's like a. Here's a. Oh, here. And here's the one I was thinking of, SP38. But to support your point.

[A]

Oh, see, I like that. That at least is like, they made a curvaceous car more curvaceous.

[B]

Right. So if we look down the line here, we start here with the SP1, you know, way back in the day, built on it at 430. But, like, that actually looks like a Corvette in the back. But it gets better.

[A]

You know what? I'm gonna go against the grain. I like this one.

[B]

You do?

[A]

I do. In a so ugly, it's pretty way.

[B]

We're looking at the P540 Superfast Aperta.

[A]

Yeah, this looks like it's based on a599, but it's got A. They've like, C3 corvetted the back half of it.

[B]

This is weird, dude.

[A]

It's really weird, but I like it in its weirdness. I would fuck with this one, especially in this fucking insane gold color.

[B]

I think the owner will be very happy to learn there's someone he could sell the car to. That's really mean. But, you know, as we go down, like, they. Like you said, it's a curvy car that gets curvier. It kind of stays with the right original vehicle. And then I think it gets even better with, like, the TRS, like these buttresses.

[A]

Yeah, that F12 TRS is pretty cool. I am a big fan of that one.

[B]

You know, all of these based on sp. And then the one I was like this.

[A]

Clapton, that's. So this one is really interesting. This is where they tried to do 512 boxer details on a 4, 5, 8. I don't personally love this one, but I think it's like. I do think it kind of works.

[B]

I think it works well in the back. I don't think this is great. There's something like the headlights seem too high.

[A]

Yeah, well, they. Well, they didn't do. You know, they had to keep the 4, 5, 8 headlights and greenhouse for this one. They seem more willing to change them shits in the newer ones. You know, I don't know if that's because of low volume regulations or if it's because they just. For more money, they don't give a fuck or whatever. But.

[B]

Where'S the. Like that, you know, especially. Mm, looks good.

[A]

The MM was. It was all right. Yeah. I mean, that one doesn't do so much.

[B]

This is what I was thinking of.

[A]

SP38. Yeah.

[B]

I just. But I. I think to your point, you know, these all, like, they don't seem like they deviate too much from the original car.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And get crazy. Or that they're colliding a bunch of different generations together. And then you go over here and like, this is straight, this is round. They try to do like. They try to do rectangle headlights like the F40, but it wraps around the outside of the nose, which seems round and modern.

[A]

It ends up looking like an MC20 kit car.

[B]

It really does.

[A]

Like, it looks like, you know, the headline should be, man in rural Russia builds his own MC20. And with that, I've been uninvited from every Ferrari event.

[B]

That was my thought. I was like, you know, we didn't get invited to them anyway. This is. Yeah, it's just.

[A]

It's so weird.

[B]

A lot. There's just a lot. There's a lot of different shapes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Happening.

[A]

Yeah. And man, white wheels. Like, dude, no, no. F40 has color matched wheels. What are you doing? They have silver wheels.

[B]

White on white is tough. Integra type R with white and white.

[A]

If it's a rally.

[B]

Rally car.

[A]

If it's a rally car.

[B]

Okay. But I still would prefer contrast.

[A]

Yeah. I'm not saying this car should be red, black or, you know, red, red or whatever. But like, God, it's. There's just.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's actually. It's hard to look at. It's like this front three quarter improves the angle. Like it like improves, like marginally, but. But still. Like, no.

[B]

Well, I also like this. This intake right by the door. It's like a polygon, you know, it's like straight, then it hooks straight. Straight. But over here, it's very round. I know I'm not like an automotive. An automotive designer, but that's what stands out to me. That you've got things back here that are like very angular, trapezoidal. And then up. Here we go. No, no. We're back to round and organic. And they're doing the floating lip thing like they're doing on the new car.

[A]

Just. Just a lot of things happening.

[B]

Is there a shot of the back?

[A]

This, like the rear? Rear three quarter above. That is all day MC20.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not. I don't even see an F40 there. I see MC20.

[B]

Yeah, I see. I see no F40. All right.

[A]

I don't know what. Dude, they don't. They're. They're not. They're not making a car that I want right now.

[B]

296 is good.

[A]

296 is good. But other things I think are as good dynamically now and don't have to. Don't have the annoying interfaces that the 296 has.

[B]

True.

[A]

Like the 296. If that was the only way to get that kind of experience, I would go, okay. But a 750. 750 works better, amazingly enough. I can't believe I'm saying that a 750 is more straightforward and works better and has a better interface.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

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[B]

Nice.

[A]

And if, like, if that's the direction they're going as opposed to more like, you know, things that require registration and are faster and whatever and look like cybertrucks, then, then I can get down.

[B]

Yeah. Here's their, like their website. They have one of their smaller scooters.

[A]

Yeah. So like that one, that one actually is even the two he showed me were like slimmer and more minimalist than that one.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Yeah. But yeah, the alto.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Is the, is like the current one and they have a smaller version of it and then they have a stand up you one that they're working on.

[B]

Gotcha. Okay.

[A]

But he was, he was insistent that the small ones would have the, you know, the proper grade brakes and suspension and stuff. Nice.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Nice guy, actually. And then just yesterday it was announced that fucking Spiker is coming back. I didn't really know. I assumed they, you know, ran out of money or something. I didn't really look into what was happening with Spiker, but it seemed like there was, it seems now that there was a, a dispute over who owned the rights to it. And so Victor Mueller, who was the guy, wrote on, you know, social media that they had re secured all of the rights to Spiker, which is pretty much what they've been trying to do for the last like 10 years, I guess. Wow. You know, we last saw them, they were about to make that SUV thing. They were about to make their second car. They made a couple prototypes. They never quite got it off the ground. But like now that you know, anti screens is like a new thing in sports cars, like they're pretty well poised to come back and be like art deco interior, you say?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Toggles, Would you like some toggles? Would you like some machine turned.

[B]

Imagine how mad they've been the last. All they're trying to do is secure the rights and they're watching the trend move into the space that they owned like for years. And they're like, we know how to do this. Just give us the paperwork. And they had to like fight this case.

[A]

Look like a zeppelin in five minutes. Let's go. Yeah, that's. But that's kind of exciting though. Like, I mean, did you ever drive one?

[B]

No. Wait, maybe when we. We drove one at Spring Mountain. You know, we went early. I think I drove that one.

[A]

Did you?

[B]

That was it. And I love them. I buy so fast.

[A]

That one was supercharged.

[B]

I know. With the 4:2, right?

[A]

Yeah, those are. Those are good cars. Can you look on on bat and see what the recent sales were? Because they were crazy. They couldn't give those things away.

[B]

I think they went out of business because they were spending 200 grand on the interior and they were selling them like a hundred. Yeah, I mean they were not expensive.

[A]

That last one that Galpin had and my friend Seth finally bought it for like 140 grand after the original sticker started with a three. And then during the pandemic, all of a sudden they jumped up to like 400 GS. Like, what's the look?

[B]

330.

[A]

Yeah, they're all. They've all got a three, right?

[B]

2, 270. But I mean you are. You're easily spending 300 grand.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow. This is 505.

[A]

Well, that's a Lafayolette, which is the hard top, but it's also a Targa, so it's a removable hard top. And it's a low mileage car that may.

[B]

They're all pretty low mileage.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

The hard tops were rare. The La Violettes were the. Yeah, the Laviolettes were the shit. They had the coolest roof scoop ever. Dude, go look at the black one. The 4,000 mile one that you just said. Look at the roof scoop on that thing. This is. These cars were so rad. I really Liked driving them. They're rowdy. I mean it's a glass roof split by a roof scoop and those panels pop out.

[B]

That's pretty cool.

[A]

So you can pop out the side panels and then keep the roof scoop there. That's. That's, that's ridiculous.

[B]

That's pretty incredible.

[A]

And this was a, this was an 07. So this was at the end. So it got. Oh no, this one had a. This has a different steering wheel entirely.

[B]

Yeah, that's a decent steering wheel.

[A]

That's so this, that's actually. I've never seen that steering wheel actually. But that is the third steering wheel I've seen. The original steering wheel is the, the fucking Chris Craft steering wheel. The vintage lake boat steering wheel, which is unbelievable. And then they started using the Gallardo steering wheel because they had to do airbags. No one liked that. So either this was an airbag wheel and this got. Or this may have been a Euro European spec car that had the airbag exemption. But they didn't make the, the Chris Craft wheel anymore. This looks like it's out of like a Lotus.

[B]

Yeah, it does look like a Lotus.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Man, what amazing cars.

[A]

These things were kick ass. They sounded so cool. The 4.2 with a really short exhaust sounded great. VF made the blower. It was good for 525 horsepower. And it was just all like, everything was like just super polished metal.

[B]

It just looks like an airplane that you drive on the ground. Like an old fighter plane. I think I wouldn't go la Violette. I think the regular C8s are beautiful.

[A]

I think it makes a great roadster. For sure.

[B]

It's a gorgeous roadster.

[A]

The Laviolettes are just much rarer, so they happen to be worth more.

[B]

But man, this is just. This is a great shape.

[A]

Yeah, I love those cars. So, yeah, I mean you can see why they've. I mean they're so pretty. You know, the. For Audi 4.2 isn't like the most dependable engine, you know, whatever. But it's. By supercar standards, it's a pretty known quantity. It's easy to keep running.

[B]

At least you could get parts for it at like an Audi dealership versus if you have a Koenigsegg.

[A]

Yeah, well, and also like if you have. If you've got one of these, you know. Oh, wow. Go up. I've never seen that. I've never seen the hard top installed on one of those.

[B]

Weird.

[A]

It's super weird. But is there another picture? Go up. Is there another picture of it on the only picture of it on.

[B]

Oh, there's always more. Look.

[A]

That's the Chris Craft steering wheel. God, that's unbelievable. I mean, that interior. The first time, I mean, this was O5, right. So I had just started making videos. Oh, five. Oh six. Vinnie was the spiker PR guy. And when I drove one of these, I was. What the fuck is this crazy thing? It was great and had no traction control. It was rowdy, like a cobra. It was awesome. Oh, there's a side profile of the hard top right there. Yeah. Wow. That's crazy looking with a hard top on. I'd never seen that before. How cool.

[B]

Weird. Yeah. So there. So they might come back though.

[A]

Well, I bet if you've already got one of these, you're super stoked because they'll be able to service it. Now there's got to be like some, you know, who know. I'm sure we could figure out who the guy is that services these things, but it's probably a pain in the dick.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

There's.

[B]

There. That's their only way. This is the whole webpage right now.

[A]

The entire website is. We win. And we're back.

[B]

Ready. More about Spiker.

[A]

And then it goes to the rest.

[B]

Of their website and then it goes to the old stuff. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, it's like squarespace to me. That's pretty cool, huh? And then, you know, also I saw this over the weekend. This cars act thing in California, this new law in California that Newsome signed. This is pretty cool. This is like a really. That's it right there. Top story. The, the, this, this is a super consumer friendly law about buying cars. Guys, one more break from the action because Delete Me is in the house. And right now the headlines are full of data breaches, regulatory rollbacks, making us all more vulnerable. But you can do something about it. Take care of yourself, folks. Delete Me is here to make it easy, quick and safe to remove your personal data online. It's. It's important to have control of this data. It is very profitable for people to essentially steal your data and sell it. That's really what's going on with these data broker websites. And as someone with an active online presence, privacy is important to me. I really do value that kind of stuff. So I got Deleteme. It couldn't have been easier. I signed up and made an [e-mail] tire and entered in a lot of personal information that seemed a little counter, counterintuitive, but it has to know what to look for. Deleteme then went to work finding and scrubbing information from data broker websites. It turns out there was over a thousand instances of my personal data, my family's personal data out there. And so they got rid of a lot of it automatically. There were other things where I had to take a couple of clicks, do a couple of things. There was other ones where they had to file like legal notices to take it down. But they do all that. I don't really have to do much except click yes, click yes, sign here. And they keep going. It's not one time every month they would send me a new report. So the first month it was like 1100 and then it was 500 and then 300. And now we're down to like a hundred each month. But it's ongoing. They're always looking out for you. It's not one and done. You can do this. It's not hard. Take control of your data. Keep your private life private. By signing up for Deleteme. And now it's at a special discount for our listeners. You can take 20% off your delete me plan when you go to www.joindeleteme.com and use promo code tire at checkout. The only way to get 20% off is to go to www.joindeleteme.com tire and enter code tire at checkout. That's www.joindeleteme dot com tire code tire. And now back to the show. Essentially, there's a lot more disclosures the dealers have to do about the total costs of things. Lot more prohibited from sneaking in, like add on shit like undercoating or any of that shit they have to disclose. It's more disclosures about gap insurance and stuff like that. But also there's a bunch in the past if you want any like add ons, like an extended warranty or like, you know, the wheel and tire protection, whatever. You had to do it before you, you know, walked out of there with the car. Now you can do 10 days from day of purchase, you can add that on. And the biggest one is for used car under 50,000, there's a three day return law.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So if you put less than 400 miles on the car, don't damage three days and you don't damage it, you can return that car.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is, I think that's a first nationally. I've never heard of that nationally. At least in California, you know, there's a very, they make a very big deal about no cooling off period. And basically that means once you sign this shit this is your car, right. So now you can return it.

[B]

And I think it's from a consumer side if, you know, if you buy a used car. I mean, the stories of used car salesmen are varied. A lot of them are bad. But if you buy a car, you get home and you go, oh, something's broken. You didn't negotiate for the warranty, whatever, to be able to go back there. I'm assuming that's a big angle for this protection and go, hey, like, this is mess. I don't want this. This is not what I. This is not what you said it was going to be.

[A]

Yeah. Or I mean, you know, you saw it on the lot, you like the color, you, you drive it for a day or two and you go, 850amonth thing. That's a bad idea.

[B]

You know?

[A]

Yeah, go. Maybe not, you know, maybe. Let me, let me, let me cut and run now instead of being just totally stuck for 144 months or whatever.

[B]

That's funny. It's the refractory period law. You're like, now that you've calmed down from the purge and the excitement of the new car.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Do you really want this thing? Yeah.

[A]

I mean, it wouldn't have worked for my Focus RS because it was new at the time. But like I fucking. On day three, I was like, oh, this is gonna need some work.

[B]

These chairs are not right.

[A]

This is not right here with this. Yeah, but I mean, I just, I think that's awesome. Is there other things in here that I've missed? Let's, let's see. Several stringent requirements. Prohibition of misrepresentations. You cannot misrepresent material information about the vehicle, including cost financing terms and add ons. Clear and conspicuous disclosures regarding, among other things, the total price and the volum. Voluntary nature of add ons. There's a ban on valueless add ons. So there's a. Dealers are barred from charging for add ons that do not benefit the purchase purchaser, such as unnecessary warranties or services. I wonder where they draw the line. Yeah, that seems there needs to be.

[B]

That seems vague.

[A]

There needs to be a clarification on that. Like does nitrogen filled tires benefit the purchaser? Right. Like most of the times, like absolutely not. It does not. But it's like they'll put $200 for that on there. Right. But the three day right to cancel. So it offers the first time ever a cooling off period and also a record retention thing where dealers have to retain records demonstrating compliance with the act for Two years. But I mean, look, that it's gonna be a little more work for dealers. They're probably gonna be annoying by annoyed about it. There's probably gonna be some lobby fighting it. But like, fuck that, dude, you know what I mean? Like if. If this is a reaction to dealers acting shady and fucking people over, that's. These are. These are laws written in people's fucking blood essentially. Not, hopefully not literally, but you know what we mean. I don't know. I think this is good. I don't really see other than there being more work for a dealer and other than potential vague language on what a valueless add on is, I wonder if we can. There's the law. Is that the link to the law up top? Maybe we can actually, if we want to, if we could find quickly in the law what valueless means. I don't know if we can command f that motherfucker, but I'd be interested to see if there is. If there's literally a. A line where they've drawn you.

[B]

That term is not in there.

[A]

Really?

[B]

No. Huh.

[A]

All right, well, I have a long flight coming up, so I can actually download this and maybe read some of it. I read this. I read the story. I just read and read the actual fucking 8000 word law. Sorry. But either way, I think net positive for consumers. Even if the language on valueless is vague and don't get the nitrogen in the tires ever. That's just. What are you, a sucker? That's dumb.

[B]

Oh, look, okay. A dealer cannot charge for an add on product or service that won't benefit the consumer, such as nitrogen filled tire related products or services.

[A]

Get the fuck out of here.

[B]

Less than 95% nitrogen purity.

[A]

That contain less than 95% nitrogen purity.

[B]

Well, I guess.

[A]

Prove it. Sure.

[B]

I mean, yeah, but maybe. Now was that. Now was that an adjustment that was written by the dealership lobby to adjust it or was that a problem where they were just giving people regular air and saying there's nitrogen in there?

[A]

I mean, see, that is really interesting. Is it just a total scam or just a mild scam?

[B]

Don't provide coverage.

[A]

They got a guy. They gotta have a guy going with a thing going. This one, this one is totally pure. I've never seen nitrogen like this before.

[B]

85%.

[A]

Can I please take this home? 90%.

[B]

You can't charge for oil changes for electric vehicles.

[A]

That's fucking crazy.

[B]

The fact that that's in there, Catalytic.

[A]

Converter markings for a vehicle that does not have a catalytic converter. Surface protection Product that renders the manufacturer's warranty for the paint job void. Oh, shit. Oh, I wonder if that's ceramic coating. I think that's ceramic coating.

[B]

Oh. So if you ceramic coat a car.

[A]

I mean, I don't necessarily think that's true at all. But if you improperly applied ceramic coating, let's say, and it fucking fogged up and like, hazed up your whole shit and you took the car to the dealer and tried to claim warranty, they might tell you to kick fucking rocks as. And they probably should.

[B]

Well, this is saying the dealer can't charge for these things.

[A]

Right. Right. So the dealer. Right. The dealer can't then charge. The dealer can't charge you for a ceramic product only to then turn around and void your paint warranty because your car has a ceramic coating.

[B]

Definitely should not be allowed to do that.

[A]

That's fucking crazy, dude.

[B]

Yeah, I'm. I really. I'm interested to find out like. Like, was this written from consumer side or. Because, you know, some. Some laws and bills are written in partnership.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And there's a lot of, like, things that get snuck in that don't do anything. And they're. They're seen by lawmakers as helpful. And it's really written by lobbyists. It's not helpful. But this might be. If. These are examples of really terrible shit that was being done that is so atrocious.

[A]

They must be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

These are incredibly specific. Yeah, these are absolutely things that are very specific that were going on.

[B]

It's really close to including someone's name. Like Terry Stevens can no longer.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Sell you.

[A]

Also, Chevy of Denver can kick rocks. You know, like, whatever. Yeah, that's. So the nitrogen again. How are we auditing the purity of the nitrogen in the tires?

[B]

There's people that will go do that. They'll go in, they'll get their tires filled. They'll take their tire to a lab. Bro.

[A]

We could be sure that could be us. Yeah, we could be. We could be nitro brothers.

[B]

There's our new channel, the Nitrous Brothers.

[A]

Dude, you want to see something really funny? So I. We have to have our lift service. That's South Bay. And I'm willing to. I'm going to say the name of the business we use. They didn't. I didn't. There's no discount or anything, but just because it's funny. And I actually, so far, I'm happy with their work, but Phil was looking for a new company to service our lifts. We weren't happy with the old company. And it turns out, based on what the new company found, rightly so. There was just nothing dangerous. But, like, they were like, I wouldn't have done this. Like this. So, okay, get fixed. Whatever the name of the company was, Dr. Hydraulics. And I was like, yeah, that sounds good. Dr. Hydraulics. Like, that dude's bouncing on the weekends with 16 switches.

[B]

I hope so.

[A]

And during the day, he's making fucking good pistons work right? And he arrives and, you know, he's working. And I'm like, I liked. I was like, honestly, I got the name. I just like the name. I chose you. Like, I choose a bottle of wine. I just like the name. And I was like, I think Dr. Hydraulics is fucking cool. And he goes, oh, I don't mean to correct you.

[B]

Not a doctor. I mean school.

[A]

No, it's. It's Dr. Hydraulics. Like, the guy's initials are like, da, da, da, capital R. There aren't periods.

[B]

Sure, but is it a lowercase R?

[A]

No. On the truck, it's capital D, capital R. No, it's all caps. It's just all caps.

[B]

That's really funny.

[A]

So he's like, no, it's not Dr. Hydraulics. It's Dr. Hydraulics. I was like, listen, man, Then let people think it's Dr. Yeah, that makes more sense. Don't, don't. Don't blow up fantasy. That's literally why I could write so.

[B]

Many ads, you know, it's why you're here.

[A]

I'm sure you're gonna do a good job. Like, that's how I chose you in the sea of this.

[B]

Got a problem? See the doctor.

[A]

What are you doing?

[B]

Call the doctor. Yeah. He's like, no, no, you go see Dr. No, no, no. You go see the doctor. Call the doctor.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Does your machinery have a fever? Call the doctor.

[A]

It's got a. It's got a runny nose.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

It's a little sweaty Yanky. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

Maybe a little shaky.

[B]

Call the doctor.

[A]

And then the last thing I had on my list is that apparently, Apparently Lexus can't get fancy enough. And so Toyota is now launching a new brand called Century Above Lexus. You know, you and I like Toyota Centuries. That makes some sense. And, you know, Hyundai went with a Hyundai Genesis, and then Genesis, that succession of how words work follows an arc. But, yeah, Toyota is going to basically try to build Bentleys, essentially. I think they probably can because they built an LS400. But I wonder how.

[B]

Like, the question is, how much parts sharing will there be? And Actually doesn't really matter these days because now you can have a BMW that's under. Underneath a Rolls Royce and they do a great job of hiding, you know, where it comes from.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So if Toyota can do that and the styling's good and the cars work, you know, I think that's pretty cool.

[A]

Well, yeah. So like the last. What do I, I picture a century as traditional styling on a modern platform. Incredibly like sumptuous materials. A bunch of fucking gadgets. Lots of cool gadgets. Cup holders and like really innovative uses of like flexible space. Like when you, your feet could go through the back of the passenger seat for a foot rest. Ye. Shit like that, you know. But it has to be like super Japanese. Like really like the way that a Rolls Royce is super British. It's got to be super Japanese.

[B]

How so? What does that, what does that mean to you?

[A]

Like, like a Rolls Royce is stately in like, in like this sort of like upright way. Like they're very like vertical.

[B]

Very true.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

The dash is very vertical.

[A]

Dashes are vertical. The grill slats very vertical. Everything's kind of up. They're all tall. They're tall sedans. Like the Japanese stuff, it's like a little like, a little wider. A little like lower and wider. Like better. A bit better. Like stance maybe. But the way the exterior is like fancy but like turned down, like muted.

[B]

Oh, sure, yeah. They're usually a lot more subtle. Yeah, I mean, Rolls Royce, they've gotten more subtle and they, but they, you know, for decades they were like, look at this giant fireplace, silver grill in the front.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And now it's like a little bit more subdued because the car's be more aerodynamic, but it's still there.

[A]

You want kind of a squared off roof with it.

[B]

With the Rolls.

[A]

Really?

[B]

With either.

[A]

I mean, with either.

[B]

I don't know, I think you could do swoopy and just make it look, you know, I think if it's. I think the car has to be beautiful. Like Mercedes had that, that concept that was shown last week. I think that looked like, like the new cellar.

[A]

Yeah, the look like with the new.

[B]

Grill, I was like, I've seen in a long time.

[A]

The grill is, is like the late 70s, early 80s grill.

[B]

It was a 1930s fire happening vertical.

[A]

The vertical grill, like from the 600 grosser and the 280 SE like that grill.

[B]

What was it called?

[A]

Oh, I don't know. That new Mercedes vision iconic. The. It's all about that front grill, really. The rest of it's like, actually, I don't really care that much for. But the grill is extremely cool. That, that really works. Actually, I don't want to say I don't care for it. The rest of it reminds me of the Maybach accelero.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Like 10 years ago.

[B]

They just smoothed it out a little bit. You know, this back, it's very SL, of course.

[A]

Yeah, very SL, very 300 gallway.

[B]

Elongate everything. But, but like, but I'm saying this to me looks just as, you know, sexy and stately. And faster, of course, than like a Rolls Royce or something with a more vertical.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Cabin to it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Anyway, I don't know. So Century, what do you think? You think, do you think the public will accept?

[A]

I mean, I don't. You know, I think that there was a time that Alexis was like in the early 90s. Like in a lot of ways a Lexus was like a better car than a Rolls Royce, honestly. I mean, an LS400 was objectively a better car than my Turbo R. Even though the Turbo R was like metal and like really, it was like that sort of that old school, like serviceable. Like a fucking like an AGA stove or something like that. Like one of those stoves from like the 1800s that lasts like a thousand years. It's made of iron. Like that's what Bentley is. And the Lexus represented the newest, smoothest, quietest, most refined thing. Lexuses are still kind of that, but they don't have that over the top build quality that they used to have. So Century needs to be that. It needs to be this ridiculously over the top quality.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. I think they can. They just need to put the work into it, which they will. Yeah, I think that. And then the power plant, like, what's the power plant going to be? Is that going to be exciting to people? You know, it can't be. If it's like a Camry V6 with a hybrid assist that gives it a total of 500 horsepower, that's enough. It needs to have some magic.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that would be pretty lame. It would be. I think what could work is if it was a fairly powerful EV with a super smooth onboard generator so that it could essentially drive forever.

[B]

It would be funny if Toyota finally dove into the EV market, but it was only at like the $300,000 price point.

[A]

I don't know about that. I don't, I don't think. I don't think any pure luxury EV at, you know, 200,000 plus is really going to work right now. But if it is a range extended EV that would allow you to drive indefinitely, that probably would work better. As long as the gas engine was super, super smooth. Like you would have to like almost not know when it was running, which I think is possible, actually. I think, I think Toyota or. I mean, remember the champagne glass? Like anyone can fucking do it. They can do.

[B]

They did. And that was with a V8, which. And other cars get a lot of vibration.

[A]

Yeah. Like they could do it. So it's just a matter of like not giving a fuck how much they're gonna spend. Just, just go for it. Whatever it costs.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Anything that you would like to talk about or should we just go to the people?

[B]

I have a quick story.

[A]

What you got, man?

[B]

A car from my family will be visiting your painter person this week. Your touch up savant.

[A]

Oh, here?

[B]

Yeah, Sarah's car got hit and it was a very, very, very small. But it's kind of a funny story. Like it was the end of Friday and Friday was not going well for me for like our dog was sick. I found out some family news that wasn't good. I had been arguing with medical records, things on my back. Like, it was a really shitty Saturday. We're driving home and we are stopped in traffic and a car backs out of a weed dispensary and hits us. We're not moving and I get so mad. Like I get out of the car, I'm like, this is just not the right time. I'm gonna fight somebody. I'm like, I'm not going to attack somebody. But I'm real pissed. And I look at their. And I pause and I look at their car and I see backup camera. I go, great. There is no excuse for what just happened. And then I walk up to the window and the Woman's like a 72 year old art teacher with her 71 year old friend. And they're in and like diffuses immediately, like, I'm not gonna yell at you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they were so sweet and apologetic and it was so adorable. They're like, oh, we just wanted to get some weed because I had knee surgery. I'm like, that's the cutest thing I've ever heard. Like, I want you to have that too.

[A]

I can't be mad at you.

[B]

No, not at all.

[A]

I'll pull your car out for you.

[B]

Exactly. Yeah. So that's what. That's how it went. It's just.

[A]

They offer to pay.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, they did. They offered to pay. For it. And it's a little, like, scuff. And it's just.

[A]

We got. We got the guy. You got fix it. Yeah, they got. Yeah, we got the guy. Fine. But, like, that's a bummer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I'm glad it was that. I'm glad that was it, because, like, if you were gonna go yell at the guy, he might have told you to go yourself, and you might get nothing or have to call the cops or whatever. Like, this is like, oh, you're good for it, you know?

[B]

Could not have gone better. It was just a bummer of a thing. Yeah.

[A]

Was it the weed store by my house?

[B]

No, it was over. We were dropping our near Lincoln. Okay, but what's funny about Back out.

[A]

Of that one by my house? You people back out of it when they don't.

[B]

Busy street busy. This was similar. It was like, thoroughfare. Everyone's, you know, everyone's doing the LA cut, but she gets out of her car and it's still, like, halfway in the road, which she shouldn't have left it there. But the security guy who works at the weed place who's got, like, his gun and tack belt was not helping traffic. It was almost like he's like, I'm better than that. I filled out the forms. I have a gun. I'm not helping with parking anymore.

[A]

Store. I ain't a fucking ballet.

[B]

Exactly. Yeah.

[A]

The guard at my weed store, how was it two weeks ago? Had a bandage on his hand. I was like. I was like, oh, man. What happened? He goes, I cut myself a little bit ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How'd you do that? He goes, punch through a guy's window. I was like, okay, cool. Wow. Yeah.

[B]

You know how hard that is to do?

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. But he said the guy came in and was starting mad in the store. I was like, all right, you're good. Cool, man. Wow. Yeah. This guy's.

[B]

If he didn't use an implement to punch that window. That is a really.

[A]

This guy is not far off of, like, Danny Trejo in the early 90s. He's fucking legit.

[B]

Do you remember there's a video that went around the Internet years ago? And we'll get the questions where some, you know, some dude gets out of his car, he's really mad, and he walked. And this person starts filming in their. On their phone. And he walks up to their window to the driver's side, and he starts punching it to try to break through it. And it's like seven punches, does nothing. And then he's like. And he's yelling, he's going crazy. Bam, bam, bam. Not getting through the window. And then his wife walks up and just pulls him away. And it was, he was like, I'm tough. Like, your mom just came to get you after you didn't get through this window.

[A]

Yeah. Oh boy. Yeah. Before we get to the questions, November 2nd, that's a Sunday. Be at the Hilton Head concourse. If you're in the Hilton Head, South Carolina or Savannah, Georgia area, please come out, say hi. If you have anything else to do that's fun surrounding that event, by all means fucking get in the DMs and let me know what's going on. And then if you're in LA and a watch nerd, particularly a Grand Seiko nerd, I will be appearing at the GS9 Club event, which is the Grand Seiko Owners club. And that's November 8th, I believe it's a Saturday. And again, if you're in LA, you can register for that through your normal GS9 club events RSVPs. It's not going to be that big. It will definitely sell out, but it's going to be fun. So come on and hang cool. And then lastly, Blue Ridge Ramble. Excuse me, it's not called that anymore. Strike that. Reverse it. The Blue Ridge 500. You see, it turns out there was a guy who had an event called that already. We did not know and he got mad. One might say rightfully so.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so we changed the name of our event because first one to the name gets the name and we didn't know so we changed the name. It's now the Blue Ridge 500. You can come drive with me. It's the first one we've ever done that has two racetrack experience. It's got the PEC where you will do the full the PEC program. It's like their two hour program that you would do. We're doing that in their cars and you can choose which car you do it in, just depending on your budget. RSS are kind of expensive, in case you knew. And then Atlanta Motorsports Park, Churahalla Skyway, Tale of the Dragon, Bourbon Tasting, Knoxville, Nashville. Pat Long. I have hired Pat Long to come down and we're gonna do a fireside chat. But also he's going to be giving thrill rides in a new Carrera gts, one of the hybrid ones which with Pat dropping that will be a at amp. That track is such a roller coaster. Yeah, it will be. It'll be serious with Pat. That'll be. I'm Going on a ride that'll be really fun. And of course I'm driving a 918, which is silly. A couple spots left. I know it's last minute, but if you want to fucking come meet us in Atlanta for a good time experiences.road and track.com okay, the people in the Patreon, if you want to ask us questions of the show, if you want to get the show early, if you want to get the show without ads, if you want to get extra show, if you want early and exclusive access to merch collabs and things like that. Patreon.com the Smoking Tire podcast, Not to mention, and it does bear mentioning every time. As a fan, everybody is equally valuable, but as a fan who financially supports the show, a lot of people ask us how to financially support the show. Even the lowest Patreon tier, which is $3 a month.

[B]

Month.

[A]

You are about 1000 times more valuable financially as a fan each month than you would be even if you played every single ad on every bit of content we make. So if you do want to support 3 bucks a month, what do we have? 3, 6, 10.

[B]

3, 8, 10. 3, 8,10. 3, 8, 10, 15.

[A]

3, 8, 10,15. Even. Even the 3, we're happy to have you. And even if you don't want to do it, we're happy to have you anyway. But people ask, and that is how you become a super fucking VIP and keep us buying stupid cars, right? Spencer says, after watching the last 10 laps of the Bathurst 1000, I was wondering if either of you has done much fast driving in the wet. Do you love it? Hate it? I have and I don't really like it.

[B]

I've never, I think the only time I've done fast driving in the wet on track that I can remember is New Zealand. I mean, I've done a lot of it in high school and afterwards, like in the canyons and stuff. I don't know, it's kind of fun. But like, you know, you definitely reduce speed. Like I'm definitely not pushing the edge of anything in the wet and trying to find, you know, improve that skill on public roads. Like, it just is what it is.

[A]

Not in the wet. I mean, I, I've done wet track days before and although I think there's a lot to learn from them, I wouldn't, I don't prefer that. I've been to racing schools where it rains and they're like, you're so lucky. You know, it's. Meanwhile, it's open wheel cars and I'm like fucking soaked. You know, they say how lucky you are you get to race in the rain and you know, learn a different thing and whatever. And I understand where they're coming from, but all things considered, I think I.

[B]

Prefer to race in the frigid. I'd like to do more wet track days, but that's a luck of the draw thing.

[A]

I love driving. I mean I love on. If I'm on a road trip and it rain like I, I love a rainy day drive. Like that's a fun novelty to me. I don't get, get to experience that often. So like I don't mind rain at all when I'm out driving, but, but if we're talking about racing, I prefer not. I, I think the, some of the most scared I've ever been in a car was mid Ohio in the wet.

[B]

That's, that's a slippery place, right?

[A]

Doesn't have a lot of ice. It was crazy how slick it was.

[B]

Because of the pavement they've redone and stuff, right. I've heard that place is very slippery.

[A]

It's terrifying in the wet and you, if you hit grass, you just slide like half a mile into the woods. They never find you again. Under the cuff Wants to say oh, wants asked do have me and Johnny ever thought of doing voiceover work? You know, it's funny, I met a voice actor last night and he was like, you should. I don't know, I don't know what to do. I got to figure out how to do voiceover work. It seems easy and what character I would like to do anybody who wants Seth Rogen, but I will charge 1/3 of what he charges. Perfect, easy, done work. Domesticated Jaguar xjs. Did I get a headset to use while leading the road and track drives? Yes, I did. I did use the heads. I did get a headset. It does help most of the time. Although on the long drive, keeping that thing in my ear for like six hours is not great.

[B]

Yeah, it hurts.

[A]

Yeah. Ferrari driver therapist says how would your garage change if you weren't worried about making content or weren't able to write off a portion of your expensive expenses? Would you have similar daily drivers and fun cars? That's a really good question. I don't think I buy anything just for making content. I think think I would make some content about anything I buy because why wouldn't I?

[B]

I think if you were aimed at maximizing content from your purchases, like if you were making purchases based on what could get maximum engagement, you'd be. You'd buy different cars.

[A]

I would buy different things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And I don't know, I maybe, I maybe would have just got another Mach E instead of the Taycan, honestly. But I'm, I'm not.

[B]

Not.

[A]

But I'm happy I did. It's fine. It would actually be more like I would let my wife just buy whatever the fuck car she wanted instead of me injecting my automotive needs into her life. Like, really? Yeah, like I think, I think like with, with the Mach E and, and the other cars before that. Like, no, not really that. Just those two, just the Porsche and the Mach E. I didn't, I was like, this is what we're getting. I wasn't like, I let her drive it. I, you know, I wanted her input, but it wasn't like, just go get whatever you want. I don't, I don't care. I'm hands off. Which is what I did for two cars for her before and you know, she just had what she wanted and it wasn't, we never hardly mentioned it. So anyway, it was more like when we went from two cars to one in terms of daily drivers, that, that's when it mattered. Um, Paul says, okay, my girlfriend drives a JCW Mini that was handed down to her. Uh, she's been looking at more family friendly cars and the new Mini Countryman has caught her eye. What should I convince her to cross shop with instead of the Countrymen? Or is it not as bad as I think it would be? Be.

[B]

I mean, I haven't driven a Countryman in a while.

[A]

I haven't driven one since probably 2015, so I have absolutely no idea.

[B]

I think, I'm not trying to be disparaging to Mini Cooper. I would look at Consumer Reports because. And well, one question is how long do you keep cars for? Because the other ones you listed, Mazda, Toyota, Honda, really good reliability records, at least for Toyota and Honda for sure. Are you going to keep this car for like 10 to 12 years? Are you guys going to lease it? Are you going to own it for three years and want to switch things? Like that might influence your decision a lot. Countryman's super fun, but you should always know what you're getting into. So I would look at like Consumer Reports and reviews of the New Countryman and the other ones you're thinking of too.

[A]

And like Mazdas, Toyotas, Hondas. You're talking about small crossovers like, like, I'm sorry but like, we don't drive those. Like, I could not tell you the difference in back Seats between those. Yeah, that's the back seat of, of Sarah's RAV is nice. Okay. But like that's not fun and it's.

[B]

Not, it's not a three row either. And yeah, the RAV4 is not a fun car. It's a good car. Yeah, the Mazda CX50 we had briefly was a little more fun, but honestly way too stiff for the street. And also just a two row car car.

[A]

I might, I mean, I might look at like an Audi Q3 or Q5.

[B]

If you don't want three row. The CRV has I think an inch more rear seat room than the RAV4 does, which. But we chose the RAV4 for other reasons. And as you said, like, you've sat back there, I've sat back there. It's actually a really spacious place to be.

[A]

But these are not fun cars. I don't know. And I mean, by the way, I don't. I mean if she really wants a countryman, like, let her get one.

[B]

True.

[A]

Also that, you know, like, I don't know whether I'm the Boxster or the Jag. That is the best Pearl Jam one I've seen yet. Bravo. Very good. Are any kit cars actually worth the shit or is it up to the builder to fabricate the shittiness out of them? Well, first you have to define kit card car. Like a lot of things that people will refer to as kit cars aren't really kit cars. They're like replicas that are built, you know, by a shop and you are delivered a turnkey car. It's just, you know, maybe the chassis and the body and the engine arrived to this builder, you know, separately. There are ones you can build yourself. You could build a Cobra yourself, cater them. You could build a Caterham yourself. And I mean, in my experience, like, are the ones you build yourself like much worse than the ones you would buy completely built or is it basically the same shit?

[B]

That's a good question because we had help from a mechanic friend of ours with our car. I know a friend of mine, him and his dad bought a Caterham that they assembled themselves and they did run into some issues with like the diff and they had to talk to Caterham about, oh, this is a manufacturing problem we've run into. So I think if you, if it's built for you at the place, that stuff will probably get ironed out before you pick it up. And if you build it yourself, you might have to discover these things and troubleshoot it or troubleshoot it with the company. You bought it for. I think the biggest thing is if you, if you're replicating or buying. If you're building a kit based on a car that's from the 60s, it will feel correct because those cars were simply made. But if you're trying to build a new, a Ferrari from the 90s out of a kitchen kit, it's going to.

[A]

Feel like it's going to be. It's going to be terrible. Yeah. So I mean there's a lot of like sort of tr. You could do like an Exoc set, you know, that's sort of a kit that you, you could start. You start with a, a Miata. What's that other one? The factory five, like 818. Can you still do those where you start with a wrx?

[B]

Definitely still do that.

[A]

I mean these are all going to be pretty raw, unrefined experiences no matter what. And even if you, you, even if you spend 300 grand at superformance to get a GT40, that's going to be a. It's going to be screwed together nice. But that's a, that's a raw, unrefined experience no matter what. So there's no such thing as like building your own 911 and having it come out like a 911. Like that don't happen.

[B]

You know, I feel like for me they're worth a. If they do a decent job of replicating the experience of the real one. And it's like if the steering's good, the brakes are good, the power, like if it feels pretty buttoned up up. That's what I would ask for. If you start going, I don't know, the windows don't roll up that well or something, then you're just, you're putting yourself up for disappointment.

[A]

Pts. White says we all know what band is your number one jam. What are some other favorites music? I love the Gaslight Anthem. I love Rise Against, I love Billy Joel, I love Counting Crows, their albums. Their recent live performance was fucking not impressive to me at all. I love Springsteen. I love a lot of stuff from the mid to late 90s. That was not like a particularly well regarded era in music. Like there was a band called Fuel that me and had two great albums and then broke up and me and Larry saw them a bunch of times. They were great. Offspring was awesome. Loved Offspring, still love Offspring. They're fucking awesome. Awesome. And so. And like a lot of middle 90s hip hop, Tupac, Biggie, that era of.

[B]

Of of hip hop, Guns N Roses, still strong, right?

[A]

Guns N' Roses still strong. Yeah. I mean, they don't make my top 10, but. But solid band for sure. And if you get to see. I mean, if you get to see Metallica, like, not everybody loves Metallica, but fuck me, do they put on a show that's. That is. You know, Pearl Jam is. Is very jammy, you know, as far as rock goes. You know, when people think of jam bands, they think of like Fish and the Dead and shit. But Pearl Jam is like, is kind of a jam band or it's halfway to jam band. Metallica is the opposite. Yeah, Metallica is precise, precise, precise, precise. Oh, boy. Hope that didn't pop bad. What do I.

[B]

You, Zach from the 90s, stuff like guns and Roses, Green Day, Offspring, for sure. Metallica. I listen to that a lot. And then AFI, no effects, Fury 66, which is a very obscure band, and good riddance. And then like hip hop, kind of over the map, like underground stuff. But also definitely lots and lots of mainstream beats. I mean, try to listen to 50 Cent, like that whole first album of his, like you can. You can listen to the whole thing. Yeah, you're like, yep, that. That's sold all the records in the world that year. It just dominated everything.

[A]

Yeah. Bad Gardener says Bats most viewed listing In September was a 69 Copo Chevelle sold for 210,000 a lot. But not nearly as much as the other most viewed cars. Can you explain this to me? I don't know. Is it possible to find that. Got it. Well, 210,000 for a Chevelle. It also the title. It's a Copo L72.427 Chevelle Bell. How many views did it have? I'm just.243 comments.

[B]

Wow, 28,000 miles on the car.

[A]

Well, here I think, I think the number of comments. Wow, 87,000 views. Three 200 watchers. So in my opinion, and this will be actually be interesting because I'm going away right. Right now, coming back, but then Zach is going away and while he's gone, I'm gonna have Rob Deetz, AKA wab, on the show here. And WAB is the most prolific bring a trailer seller of all time. And so we're gonna have. We're gonna have a lot of insights about bring a trailer from wab, which will be really interesting. But my guess is this has probably been restored. There's a lot, a lot, a lot to fucking go over when a car has like been restored like this. And this is also one of those. You Know, sort of like Barrett Jackson specials where yeah, it's a Chevelle, so maybe it should only be 40 grand and yeah, it's a 427, so maybe it should be a million dollars or something. But you know, if there's a lot of comments and activity, you know, people keep checking back, that will draw a lot of views and it may not necessarily, I don't necessarily think an auction that has the most views of the whole month is going to be the one that sells for the most money. I mean I think if there was a Chiron on bring a trailer, I mean, I think not that many people would be interested in it. But because this is a high end example of a real people's car that seems to be honestly and faithfully restored, not hot rodded. I think there's, there's, I think a lot of people would, would like this and then maybe also think they could get a deal or something.

[B]

Maybe. I don't know, I don't know if this is, if it's a trending up price or if this is down from 2009 when, you know, when these cars were super big money. Did this go for 800 grand and now it's actually softened.

[A]

I mean it might be one of the kind, one of those cars that could, you know. Yeah, Waymo. Hand jobs from women I hardly know. No, talk me out of a 3rd gen aerial Atom. They're trading in the 40s. Road legal in Virginia. Possibly safer than a streetcar for Vir. I wouldn't necessarily say that. Probably won't depreciate much more than the next 10 years. Reliable powertrain. All right, well, you're actually right about a lot of these things. A good condition Adam 3 that hasn't been crashed is floored at the 40s. That car, that car is always going to be worth that. Right. So. And the powertrain is reliable and because the car is so light, it's under stressed, which is great. It would be fun. And Vir, I don't necessarily think it's safer than a street car. I mean the downsides are obvious. Right. This is a car with essentially no bodywork. You are outside.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Which means you really were going to have a hard time using it in Virginia winters. I've driven these things and they're fucking hairy. I mean these are, these are twitchy, hairy little cars. They're very extreme. Steering is really, really sharp and they're a handful. And so if you're looking for that type of experience, you know, it's gnarly. You drove the Nomad and, and you.

[B]

Actually, I drove the other one too.

[A]

Did you drive the other one also?

[B]

I drove the one that had the turbocharged Civic engine and I like the NA one better. And I drove the Nomad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I feel like it's. They're both the cheapest way to somewhat not perfectly replicate a 911 driving experience because you have a rear engine car and you can feel the weight is back there. I mean, the thing will slide a little bit and it's real easy. But then if it starts stepping out further, you know, it keeps moving. I mean, the new one is wider. You have to not lift. Like Dayo Shahara drifted the hell out of that car and that was impressive. It's a very unique thing and I think owning one for six months or a year would be a riot. I do not think it's safer on a track than a streetcar because if you crash, like you got Hans on, sure, that's all great. You got belts, your legs are whacking into these metal bars. Like you are going to get so bruised up because there's no knee protection. There's nothing like that.

[A]

And if you took something, you know, you take something to the fucking chest, you know, you could, you could have a crash and something could hit you directly in the chest.

[B]

That's true. I mean, you're very, you're very exposed. I mean, it's not just open wheel, like it's open cockpit almost. There's all this space, you know, around you. You've got two seats.

[A]

Yeah, go on. Sorry.

[B]

It's a, it's just a hoot though. I, I had a really good time driving it and I thought it very.

[A]

Special if you're hardcore, like I said, I said it in the, in the Manx video, which everyone should go watch. Like, the Manx is dangerous on the street too. Like if you crash that, like, you could die. But I think I don't mind driving a fucking dangerous thing around as long as the experience to me is fun enough that it's worth it. In many ways, the Atom does justify its dangerousness in a way that I don't think we just were talking about this. The Exocet.

[B]

The.

[A]

Exocet or the whatever that factory 5, 818 thing. I don't think either of those cars driving experiences justify their sketchiness versus what they're based on, but I do think the Atom kind of does. So, yeah, if you can afford to like lose a couple thousand bucks in six months and go, here's an experiment. Yeah, If I hate this thing, I'll cut five grand, you know, loss and move it on. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Be worth it.

[B]

I think that's a good idea. I think they sell them out of.

[A]

I think out of vir. Yeah.

[B]

So if you can go test drive it and then leave and think about it, don't buy it, you know, under the pressure. Yeah, they're cool.

[A]

Two Porsches, one Cup. Wow. It's funny. My Corvette is down and my ATS V is at 125,000 miles and it's on its second motor. Wow. Would scooping up a spare f front wheel drive track car like a Honda Fit or Fiesta throw off my intent to get faster on a track with a rear wheel drive car? Or should I go with the Miata etc. For a budget spare vehicle I would be parting ways with a five speed hhrss. That's a funny car.

[B]

That is a weird car.

[A]

Yeah. Well a Honda fit with a K24 swap is like $18,000 and it will be super fast.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And really fun. Having said that, if your intent is to get out, get faster on track with a rear wheel drive car car, you should probably buy a rear wheel drive car. I mean Miatas are great. I'm a huge fan of spec E46s and I think they're reasonably affordable. C5 Corvettes are a great place to start.

[B]

I think he has a Corvette. Right? My Corvette is.

[A]

Oh, my Corvette's down. Oh, sorry.

[B]

Yeah, well I would go Miata. Consumables are low. You've already got you know, three American cars and you know the HHR SS and the Corvette like not similar but they're not, they overlap a little bit. So I think get rid of the HHR and get a Miata.

[A]

I don't really have an answer for the next one. Okay. Smells like Dodge Spirit. That's pretty good. What makes the 997Rs4 liter so great? Widely regarded as the apex of the vortex of P cars. But I've never really heard a comprehensive assessment as to why, especially compared to its older and younger siblings. Okay, well this is easy. It has the hottest motor in a modern platform, but that's still compact. A 997 is still a small car. Everyone agrees that the 997 GT3 RS is a fabulous looking car. Yep, it looks great. It's the right size, the right shape makes and, and, and the 4 liter is the sort of. It's the end of the Mex. It's a Metzger 4 liter. It's not like the later 4 liter like we got with the 911R and the GT3 later. It's the Metzger based 4 liter which makes it special. It's rare, it's higher performance, it's fizzier but it's not any like worse to drive or anything or like it's not like it's shitty on the street. I am literally looking at what one out the window right now. That white one right there, that's a 4 liter. So you know it's the best looking GT3Rs and the best modern body style for me. The manual gearbox, you know, six speed with a 500 horsepower water cooled four liter Metzger engine. Like and very limited numbers like it has everything. I mean yeah, it's only incrementally better than the 38 liter one. It's not a total game changer but it's fucking more. It's better. It's more. So more is good. Yeah, it sounds amazing. Share a holla. Skyway.

[B]

Love that.

[A]

Very very good. Eight days a year. When do you think we'll see the next mass market car on the road with truly unique styling like the Cybertruck Aptera maybe if it ever hits the road.

[B]

Maybe an Aptera, I mean out there designs. I.

[A]

I mean look the cybertruck's not selling very well bro.

[B]

Like Cybertruck concepts are always a little more extroverted and aggressive but they know they have to tame it down because if they go too crazy the market you'll have a smaller market, you'll sell fewer cars so they can't go too insane. Like when a car is like 20 years out. Like the was the Qashqai concept. Yeah like when they go they give the designer all the asset in the world world and they just say draw whatever you want from the year 2052. That's when you see really out there concepts. But when they're closer to actual production I don't think they get too crazy because they want to sell cars.

[A]

Yeah, most cars are normal lucid gravity Bong says what? What is Patina Collective? Have you seen Patina Collective in Florida? I don't know what that is. What is it? It's tuner Benzes. Oh cool, that's. That looks nice. Showroom tour. What do they have in the show? This is like they're selling tickets to this. What is this?

[B]

World's largest Mercedes collection featuring a bunch of Konig specials Gambala sgs.

[A]

Oh okay, cool. I mean yeah it's got a bunch of crazy like Euro Tunery shit.

[B]

I guess it does.

[A]

That sounds fun. So good for the them.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I would check that out. I mean we're. We've already. We talked about this on the, on the last show. I'm doing the E5 Hyundai with. With the boys over here. Shun Hound says we talk almost endlessly.

[B]

Oh, June. I couldn't give less of an F about a body kit.

[A]

Body kits for helicopters. Yeah, I don't really give a. About that.

[B]

I don't. I didn't know that existed at all.

[A]

I did get it. I did get a helicopter pilot's analysis of the crash in my Instagram DMs and it. It. He said it was a mechanical and like they did the only thing that you could do in that case pretty much. Which is just a drop to the fucking ground.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

But he was like, yeah, I don't. He's like, I don't fly in helicopters anymore. That's what he said. I was like, all right, so I'm not flying.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Joe says, what's the slowest car where you had a code Brown moment?

[B]

I think I wasn't driving, but it was when you were driving my Crown Vic. I was sleeping in the backseat. We were coming back from a shoot. Thad was in the front and we were coming down the hill in the 405 and I was asleep. And all of a sudden I just felt the car juke left. And it was because all of a sudden traffic had like slammed on its brakes and you dodged left and went into the shoulder and like to not hit a U Haul or something like that. And it was like, that's what we could do. And I think that was a slow car. And I was like, what's happened? Because I couldn't see the windshield. I know what's happening.

[A]

I was once driving my Delica over a mountain with. With six of my family members, including me. Six up in the Delica. 80, 87 horsepower.

[B]

Four of them were pushing.

[A]

Yeah, right. And same kind of thing. Traffic comes to an abrupt stop and I have to fully lock up the. This, the brakes. Just this vehicle is not. And I thought the thing was going to do a front flip. I think the rear axle might have come off the ground. It was sketchy. So there you go. I'm look, I'm looking at. Nice stick. Man says I'm looking at 996 turbos and was thinking about a rear wheel drive conversion. Is it worth it? I love my STI, but I've never driven an all wheel drive 911. So like this question is phrased weird. Is it worth it? What does that mean? Like I don't know about worth it. So let's forget those words. But like pros, you'll ditch some weight, the steering gets better because again you've ditched some weight in a front drive shaft and there's a precedent for it. The GT 2 is pretty much just that right now. You should also note that the GT2 had a bigger front air dam to create more front downforce without the weight of the all wheel drive. So like they did other things too. It wasn't, they didn't just pull that out. Downsides, you know, if you want to use the all wheel drive through in, in the snow, that will be helpful and you won't have it if you plan to drive it in the snow. Like you want snow tires for sure.

[B]

If you ever want to sell the car, it will be much more difficult to sell.

[A]

Yeah, I mean you have to put it back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is the thing is it just. It's the. You have to give, you have to fucking hang on to the parts and you have to be ready to put it back. So like I don't know what that is worth but like that's what will happen.

[B]

And also they say stick to says I love my STI. I've never driven an all wheel drive 911. Well if you, you know, maybe you should drive it and you might actually like it if you can find one. If you can Turo one. If you can, I don't know, go to a dealership that has one on consignment or whatever and just try it because you might like the all wheel drive system and that way you don't have to convert it before even experiencing the thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know if you're, I mean if you love your sti, you're going to keep it then there's so many other 911s you could get that are rear wheel drive that you don't have to like, you know, crack open the tool chest for, for. I would do that.

[A]

I probably would too, but. All right. Ammo spit, not swallow. Thoughts on Porsche changing up executive staff. Michael Lighters, who's just named the new CEO, was CEO of McLaren and I had dinner with him at Pebble Beach. That guy was cool as fuck. I am down with that based on my vibes, that's all. Johnny Ev Gilberman. Do you remember Audi almost launched a the R4 on the Boxster chassis in 2014. I wonder how different from the TT, it would have felt. I mean, it would have felt like a Porsche. I mean, the TT was a. Feels like a Golf. So. No, no. If you drive a Golf or a TT and a Boxster back and forth, they're. They are very, very different. We are not the same. I happen to think that Volkswagen version looks pretty nice.

[B]

Good looking car.

[A]

It's a good looking car, I agree. Yeah, that'll be cool. Okay, under the. Oh, hang on. Under the cuff. Already got one today. Alan Harrison says, how does the Manx get around not needing mud flaps or something on the rear wheels? My first thought seeing it was I wouldn't want to drive behind that. Well, there's no getaway. There's no regulations. It's 1971, dude.

[B]

Yeah, like Baja bugs all the. All over the place. Don't have them.

[A]

Yeah, no, it's a 1971 Volkswagen. You know, there's no regulations.

[B]

Well, actually, is there. Does that apply? Because, like, if you have a truck that's lifted, you're supposed to have mud flaps on it. But is it just a code that's not enforced? Probably. I mean, we see so many lifted trucks in SoCal. No one has mud flaps. Yeah. I mean, and also, there's no mud. Yeah, and good point.

[A]

And it doesn't like my car. My Manx has like, regular tires. It doesn't like, kick up a bunch of rocks. It's when the cars have sticky tires that they kick the rocks up. Regular cars don't. Don't do that so much. Okay. Good morning Wood Festival of Speed says looking for a watch to join my my Speedy and Explorer 2 wasn't considering the Seamaster no time to die, but tried it at a boutique and fell in love. Is there a watch you passed off on only to fall in love when seeing it in person and vice versa? Is there a watch you thought you would love, which Disappointed in the flesh? Only the second Instagram lies to you for sure. I've never had a watch where I was like, meh. And then I tried it on, I was like, oh, yeah now. But the other one for sure, where it's photographed in Instagram to look perfect, but it's really tall or chunky or top heavy or whatever. You got to try that on. Yeah, for sure. That's it, man. All right. Good. Fucking good group today. Thank you, patrons. Really appreciate you. I'm. I'm heading to the airport basically right now. I'm going to Spain to drive the new 911 Turbo S, which should be very exciting and also, there will be Hamon, which is really why I'm going. 30 hours of travel for 36 hours on the ground, baby. That's how we do it here. Turn it around. Thank you lit for listening. Thank you to our patrons for patronizing, supporting us. And I will see you back next week with WAB from Bring a trailer and yeah.