Nissan Z Nismo manual(!); Robots; BMW Bike Review; Power:Weight

Summary

The Smoking Tire – September 9, 2025

Episode: Nissan Z Nismo Manual (!); Robots; BMW Bike Review; Power:Weight

Hosts: Matt Farah & Zack Klapman
Main Theme: A wide-ranging, witty discussion on the evolving automotive world—including a manual Nismo Z, robots and their place in society, a deep dive into the SSC Tuatara and power-to-weight numbers, court-worthy car legal cases, and a detailed review of BMW’s R12 9T motorcycle.

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Episode Overview

Matt and Zack dig into the latest from the car scene and beyond. Big topics include robots (and why robot housekeepers actually exist), the surprising nuances of autonomous cars, an in-depth look at the SSC Tuatara, comparisons of power-to-weight ratios (including their own rides vs. legendary supercars), a “loud” ticket for the Charger EV, and a thoughtful, critical review of the new BMW R12 9T motorcycle.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Roller Coaster Talk & Robot Olympics

• Roller Coasters as the Ultimate Thrill:
  Matt and Zack reminisce about Six Flags, discussing which coasters still get their adrenaline pumping. Tatsu and X2 come up frequently, serving as a metaphor for automotive "tuning" and pushing limits.
  • "I bet that coaster has a sicko mode." – Matt (03:27)
• Robots: Beyond the Human Shape:
  The duo riffs on the recent (and clumsy) Robot Olympics in China, pondering the reality of humanoid robots.
  • Matt points out that useful robots aren't humanoid; they’re engineered for repetitive tasks.
  • The social awkwardness of service workers at home, and societal desire for robot servants, is challenged:
    • “A humanoid robot is to clean your house so you don't feel awkward being in the house with a person that's cleaning your house.” – Matt (05:59)
    • “That is such a complicated solution to what?” – Zack (06:08)
  • Expense and obsolescence come up: Robots are expensive, easily outdated, and often less practical than simply hiring a person.
    • “I'd rather do that than have something that's going to be obsolete in two years.” – Zack (08:25)

Autonomous Cars: Weird Behavior & Anecdotes

• Matt shares personal experiences taking Waymo autonomous taxis, puzzling over why they often make odd routing choices:
  • “They only take one of the two exits, no matter which direction they're going…” – Matt (09:39)
  • Observations include random lane changes and perhaps some “learning” from local (aggressive) LA drivers.

BMW R12 9T Motorcycle Review

[82:50] Full Segment

• Matt brings in his candid review from the Pro Driver Patreon show:
  • Looks & Street Cred: Universally praised as "very pretty", with strong BMW cachet.
  • Ride Quality:
    • Heavy for its size, making it less agile than appearances suggest.
    • “It’s not the most agile bike... $19k as equipped, which will buy you a lot. And so it exists in this middle ground where it's really cool and weird and interesting and different.”
  • Performance & Ergonomics:
    • Fantastic midrange torque, but handling is less agile.
    • Complaints include the lack of a proper fuel gauge, quickshifter usability (only smooth at >50% throttle), “chunky” clutch, and a bizarrely bouncy plastic gauge bracket:
      • "Those gauges are mounted... on a plastic bracket... So much metal on this motorcycle. And this bracket's plastic... the gauges fucking bounce." – Matt (95:59)
  • Bottom Line:
    • Great for boxer BMW fans seeking on-street comfort, but not the best value or refinement for $19k.

SSC Tuatara & Power-to-Weight Math

[12:55] – [26:20]

• The SSC Tuatara review is a centerpiece, with details about the driving experience:
  • “This is a 1750 horsepower car that weighs less than my Spider. It has triple the horsepower of my Spider... pants-shittingly fast.” – Matt (12:55)
  • Compared to Koenigsegg or Pagani, it’s “the Corvette of hypercars”: American, fast, practical(ish), well-priced, but less refined.
• Power-to-Weight Analysis (with listener-fan math):
  • Fan “Max” provides spreadsheets comparing Matt and Zack’s cars (plus legends):
    • NSX, E46, Countach, Taycan, 964, Hellcat, Aventador, Ruf Yellowbird, and the Tuatara (1155hp/ton!)
    • Reveals their Porsche: 370 hp/ton (between a Hellcat Redeye and 911 Turbo S).
    • “We should drag race your car against a lot more cars, because its horsepower per ton is so similar to these legendary supercars.” – Zack (25:53)

Charger EV & the 'Loud Exhaust' Ticket

[33:26] – [41:24]

• A story surfaces about an EV owner being ticketed for “loud exhaust”—which electric cars, of course, don’t have.
  • “Are you aware electric cars don't have mufflers?” – Zack, mocking the police logic (39:25)
  • Hosts expect the ticket will be laughed out of court (“I call four seconds in front of a judge.” – Matt, 41:50), musing about the absurdity of faked exhaust sounds and aftermarket audio mods.

Patreon Q&A: Highlights

[42:45+]

• Car towing power-moves (what car/truck/trailer combos are coolest?)
• Dream garages with infinite money: Matt says, “I could still end up buying [an] enormous amount of cars.” (44:59)
• Advice: Don’t buy a used Tesla Model Y; buy a used Mustang Mach-E instead.
• Discussion of Porsche’s new wireless EV charger:
  • Zack prefers the reliability of a cable, but agrees people always drift toward convenience.
• Volkswagen Golf R rumored to get the Audi 5-cylinder: thumbs up all around.
• Advice on buying “premium color” used cars vs. wrapping them: the premium for rare colors (like Laguna Seca Blue) is real and "parked, not spent."
• Radar detector best practices.
• Genesis pick for employee discount: Loaded GV60 or GV70 wins out.

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Notable Quotes

• On robots:

  • "A robot is meant to do a task, and a human is meant to do all tasks. That’s why good robots don’t look like humans. They look like fucking arms..." – Matt (04:39)

• On the SSC Tuatara:

  • "This car is fucking pants-shittingly fast... You'd think with triple the horsepower it would exit the atmosphere or something." – Matt (12:58)
  • "The most memorable driving experiences I've had. And it's a lot more violent than when we had the Bugatti Chiron." – Zack (17:38)

• On the ‘loud exhaust’ ticket:

  • (mocking officer) “Are you aware electric cars don't have mufflers?” – Zack (39:25)
  • "Your honor, it's electric. What? Dismissed." – Matt (38:29)

• On BMW R12 9T gauges:

  • “Those gauges are mounted on a plastic bracket... the gauges fucking bounce. I was like, how is this a thing?... On some rough roads I had trouble reading them.” – Matt (95:59)

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Memorable Moments

• Crack-up over the concept of a “hardcore tune” for a roller coaster.
• Analysis of why wealthy people really want robot housekeepers: not labor savings, but social awkwardness.
• The back-and-forth on “loud” EVs and the Kafkaesque ticket given for a non-existent muffler.
• Deep dive into their own cars’ power-to-weight, with listener math, and plans for new drag race “science.”
• Matt’s frustration and amusement with the wireless BMW motorcycle gauge pod, finally (almost) upstaged by his desperate need for a bathroom break.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Topic | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------|-------------------| | Robot Olympics & Social Robots | 03:55 – 08:35 | | Autonomous Car Anecdotes (Waymo) | 08:35 – 11:37 | | SSC Tuatara Review & Power/Weight Math | 12:55 – 26:21 | | Charger EV “Loud Exhaust” Ticket | 33:26 – 41:24 | | Patreon Q&A (Dream Garages, Genesis) | 42:45 – 80:44 | | Porsche Wireless EV Charger Chat | 51:53 – 57:57 | | Power-to-Weight Q&A & Color Premium | 23:31 – 80:44 | | BMW R12 9T Motorcycle Review | 82:50 – 96:59 |

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Podcast Tone & Style

• Conversational, sharp, and irreverent.
• Loaded with real-world anecdotes and quick-fire opinions.
• Direct with criticisms but always rooted in personal experience and genuine passion.
• Plenty of humor—at the industry’s expense and their own.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

• This episode is a must-listen for fans of car culture deep-dives, cynically funny takes on tech hype, and authentic, detailed gearhead commentary.
• The BMW motorcycle review at the end is especially rich and nuanced, balancing respect for the brand’s reputation with pointed, practical criticisms.
• The Tuatara segment breaks down what it's like to drive 1750 hp, and why power-to-weight still doesn’t tell the whole story.
• Legal nerds and EV fans will love the witty dissection of the “loud exhaust” traffic ticket saga.
• Q&As give honest, actionable advice—always with Matt and Zack’s personal flavor.

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Quotes and timestamps sourced from the provided transcript for maximum fidelity to the episode’s character and flow.

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Matt Farah here and today's episode is, as always, brought to you by off the Record. We love off the Record and I love off the Record because I'm recording these ads from a road trip where I had the confidence to know off the Record was in my pocket waiting for me the entire time if I got pulled over. There was the heat all over the place on this trip and if you get pulled over, if you get ticketed, you need to go to offtherecord.com TST and get that handled immediately. Off the Record will connect you with a qualified attorney in the jurisdiction where you got pulled over and they will fight that ticket on your behalf all the way to the end. You get 10% off all legal services with off the record by using offtherecord.com TST that's offtherecord.com Tst let's get to the show. On this episode, we are talking about robots and what they should, can and really won't be very good at be doing. We recap our SSC Tuatara Drive and talk about some nerdy data numbers in horsepower per ton and how me and Zach's cars compared to some of the best cars in the world. We talk about the Dodge Charger EV that was ticketed for loud exhaust. And from the end of the show, we pull it around with a little bit we did on our Pro Driver Patreon show where I review the BMW R12 9T motorcycle. So let's get to all of that today on the Smoking Tire podcast. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the program. I hope you're all well today. It's a nice day in la. It's like finally like sub death hot here. And it's. It's quite good. It's quite good. September. September is a good month. It's. It's when like the tourists go home, but it's still like properly good summer weather for a long time here and.

[Zach]

The children are in school again, right? That.

[Matt Farah]

So a little less traffic on the road. We. Do you want to go to Six Flags? Did you enjoy Six Flags last time? We went. Okay, well, yeah, so it's. We need to. The month of September is when you go to Six Flags on a weekday, all the kids are in school and you Fucking head it. 20 mgs straight to X2. Fucking dive it. Right?

[Zach]

We could film a car at Lake Hughes and then go to six.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they always. And they always get me on that. If you. Only if you go twice. Just Twice. Twice in one year you can get the season pass. I only ever go once, but yeah, those 30 coaster days, those are good days, man.

[Zach]

30 coasters?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. When you can hit like 30 roller coasters in a day.

[Zach]

Yeah. We did all of them so many times.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

It was like, all right, we did.

[Matt Farah]

Tatsu like five times in a row.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Sick that. Tatsu is really one of the best roller coasters I've ever been on.

[Zach]

That's the one that rotates your whole thing. Right.

[Matt Farah]

That's x2. X2 is the one with the skydive and yeah. The central, the five axis Tatsu is the one that has the 300 foot inverted dive.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

You know what I mean? That shit is. That's wild. I think that's actually wilder than. I don't think they make x2 as gnarly as they could.

[Zach]

Oh sure.

[Matt Farah]

You know what I mean? I think like, I bet you somewhere there's the fucking like the hard. Someone's like, let me just pull up the hardcore tune for x2 so that like some pro can ride it in like sicko mode, you know? Yeah, yeah. I bet that coaster has a sicko mode.

[Zach]

I bet the designers have a version like in CAD.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Or whatever software SolidWorks. That's like, it would make everyone vomit.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

But this is physically possible.

[Matt Farah]

Sure, that's. Yeah, exactly like that's what they say about robo racing. Right? Like the limits of the race car or the driver, you know. Meanwhile, the robo race cars crash at like 40 miles an hour.

[Zach]

About sensors and computing power.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Did you watch any of the robot Olympics, like footage? Like they held the hell in China. Oh, and everyone was sharing these videos like this recent. Yeah, it was a few like a week ago. Then everyone's like, oh, haha, we don't have to worry about anything because like robots are running into a wall and like they can't jump or whatever. And I'm just sitting there going, I wonder if this is the distraction from the actual Chinese robots that are made that can, you know, 100% carry an AK47.

[Matt Farah]

I mean every. Everyone I know who has worked in robots, like for real, real robots is like humanoid looking. Robots are so fucking dumb. Like a robot is meant to do a task and like a human is meant to do like all tasks. And like nobody fuck. Like everyone who wants a robot wants it to do like a couple of things over and over and over. And like, that's why good robots don't look like humans. They look like fucking arms on a.

[Zach]

Thing or, you know, whatever the trajectory of, like, Boston Dynamics is. If you can make a machine that has as many capabilities roughly as a human does, then you can have one design that can do all these different tasks.

[Matt Farah]

I guess. But I think. I think. I don't know, it seems. It seems like too big of a mountain with too little of a reward to make a universal robot versus just designing robots for tasks that aren't as pretty. I don't know. Maybe I'm being negative Nancy about it.

[Zach]

I think they're gonna cause a lot of.

[Matt Farah]

I have a feeling that the desire for a humanoid robot stems almost a hundred percent from the fact that people and I get this feeling you probably get it, too. Do you have a housekeeper Once in a while, yeah. Do you like being home when they're there working?

[Zach]

No.

[Matt Farah]

Nobody does. Right. That's what. That's what the humanoid robot is for. A humanoid robot is to clean your house so you don't feel awkward being in the house with a person that's cleaning your house.

[Zach]

That is such a complicated solution to what?

[Matt Farah]

That's what. That's basically what an autonomous car is. An autonomous car is basically. I don't want to be in this taxi with the person driving it. That's the only fucking reason for it.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

There's no other good reason. This is just that applied to housekeeping.

[Zach]

Yeah. I don't. I mean, sometimes I leave and sometimes I just go in the office or whatever. I mean, she's very, very nice and our dog loves her. Of course, I don't care that much. I'm saying I don't need Boston Dynamics to keep going forward and get rid of everyone's job just because I don't want to talk to a housekeeper because I'm an awkward person.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think they're straight up going to ever say that. I don't know if anyone's going to admit that shit out loud, but I think that's really what motivates them, is that they don't want to be in this sort of awkwardness of being in a home with service people.

[Zach]

Exist. I think that company.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think it's why that company specifically exists, but I think that's why the desire generally among people for a humanoid type robot is like a housekeeper and slave. You don't have to pay and it doesn't have to be awkward to be around.

[Zach]

I think it's more than not having to pay version or story.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Than not having to talk to them or.

[Matt Farah]

So, fine. Maybe it's a side bonus. But, like, nobody likes being, like, just being, doing, living their life, you know, when, like, there's people, like, cleaning and around them, it's awkward.

[Zach]

It's weird because you feel like you're in the way.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. And. Or you have to, like, constantly make conversation and you're trying to, like, you know, you're just like, in your house, like, staring at the wall. I'm not saying this would be like, to be a dick. Like, no, no, you're not like. But that's like, that. That's why people, like, leave the house. Like, you just don't want to be involved.

[Zach]

I think, I think the goal is like, oh, you can. The trick is they're saying, oh, you, Matt or me or someone else can have a helper robot that'll get your medicine and all these other things. And it's like, it's probably gonna eviscerate the workforce.

[Matt Farah]

It would, it would cost me less and it would be more effective to just pay a person for a long time. For such a long time.

[Zach]

I think they said the cheapest robot that's going to go on sale from China is like 6 to $8,000. I can happily pay this person I hire for, like years and years and years to come to our house for that amount of money.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Rather do that. Have something that is going to be obsolete in two years and then be like, sorry, we don't have the computing power in here for you to update. You have to buy version 2.

[Matt Farah]

Speaking of which, you and I went to dinner with someone on a business dinner the other night in Beverly Hills. I took a waym because I planned on drinking. And, and also you were going to be designated driver on the way home. So I was like, oh, I got to take one one way. And I'm starting to see this Waymo. And I mean, in theory, all Waymos should drive exactly the same. Right. This one drove a little more aggressively. And you told me the other day that you saw one make a big U turn across three lanes of traffic. Which is. Which is a thing I'd never seen before. But this one made some, like, inch real interesting navigational choices. Uh, you know, as I told you at dinner, there's two exits from my neighborhood. Uh, one that was the direction we're going, one was the opposite direction we're going. And so far I've taken multiple waymos and they all. They only take one of the two exits. No matter which direction they're going, they won't take the other one. They are, for all intents and purposes, identical.

[Zach]

Hmm.

[Matt Farah]

There's no. There's nothing legal or anything about why you would not take the one that's the direction you're going and instead drive out of the way for three blocks to turn around and come back. Makes no sense.

[Zach]

That's weird. So what Programming is deep, deep in its brain.

[Matt Farah]

So. And then it made some other, like, strange, really strange lane position choices. Like it would move, you know, to one lane to travel a block to move back to the. To the other lane. And I thought that was really OD compared to the last one. So.

[Zach]

Yeah, maybe it's actually learning from LA drivers. People do that all the time. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Someone downloaded a Tesla Model 3 map to the Jaguar.

[Zach]

Yeah, exactly.

[Matt Farah]

I feel kind of bad because I almost. Do you think the pro drivers will be mad if I cut the BMW motorcycle bit out of the pro show and, like, drop it into the end of this show?

[Zach]

I don't think we could just leave it in that show and then put it in this show.

[Matt Farah]

I don't mean cut it out, remove it. I mean copy it from that show and drop it in this show. I hope they wouldn't. I felt bad. We did the pro show, which, if you're a pro driver on the Patreon, and I didn't realize it was a pro show, there's almost no difference to the structure of one show versus another. And I did this entire 20 minutes on this motorcycle, only to realize it was like a paywalled show. And that's sort of not what press vehicles are for. And so I think it would be most fair to BMW, who lent me the motorcycle, and to, like, the other. The rest of the audience that want to hear about the motorcycle. It would be the most fair if I take that from the pro show and put it at the end of this show. And I hope the pro drivers won't feel mad about that. I think they'll understand.

[Zach]

I think they'll understand.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And then that way you keep getting motorcycles, they can keep listening and talk about it.

[Matt Farah]

The quid pro quo of the press vehicle is not that you have to say nice things. And in fact, I have quite a few criticisms on this motorcycle. It's. It's that you actually deliver the content to your. To your audience. Yeah, yeah. But couple fun things are happening. One, our SSC Tuatara video is up right now, as well as the. The story on Road and track. I wrote 2000 words on. Actually, I wrote like 2700 words. And Mike Duff did. Oh, is it not posted on Road and Track yet. I thought he was going to post it. They said, well, it'll be up, like, within hours. They said. They said Thursday morning. So the video is certainly up right now. The writing will be up within hours. And did we talk much about the car? Were we waiting for the video? I don't know if we actually talked much about the car. Well, just in case. Just in case, let's. Let's refresh. I'm sure a fan who's on the live stream will remember exactly what timestamp of what episode we talked about it. If so, get in the comments. But just as a refresher. This is a 1750 horsepower car that weighs less than my Spider. It has triple the horsepower of my Spider.

[Zach]

Jeez.

[Matt Farah]

Triple?

[Zach]

Triple.

[Matt Farah]

Isn't that crazy? Like, what's that like? On the one hand, that's a crazy thing to think about, and this car is fucking pants shittingly fast. But at the same time, you'd think with triple the horsepower that it would, like, exit the atmosphere or something. You know, like, if the aero wasn't.

[Zach]

Right, at a certain point, it probably would.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's true. Like the Mercedes gtr. Yeah, the group C car. And this thing has done 295 miles an hour. Not by us, but it did it. And it's an insane thing, and it is a very real car. And our argument, as you can see in the title of the video, is basically that it's the Corvette of. Of hypercars. It has the speed, it has the fighter jet looks. It has a roomy interior and a trunk, and it, like. It works good. The air conditioning is great, but it's. It's. It's. It's executionally just like a, you know, an 8 out of 10 compared to a Koenigsegg or a Pagani. It's also a lot cheaper. It's the value proposition of this group. It's fully American, but it's insane. Zach, your thoughts?

[Zach]

Someone said we did talk about it before.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, we did, but it's a good.

[Zach]

Refresher, so we'll keep it tight.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

Most memorable driving experiences I've had. And it's a lot more violent than when we had the Bugatti Chiron. I mean, I wrote in that they didn't let me drive it, but the shifting, the handling, all that stuff was. There's more poise. It was smoothed out.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Bugattis are tuned for smoothness.

[Zach]

Yeah. And it just this thing which actually had a very smooth ride because it has soft suspension. But when you start getting on the gas hard, that soft suspension, like, there's a lot of squat in this car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And then under braking, there's a bit too much dive, which then makes the quick steering a little bit unnerving.

[Matt Farah]

See roof rodeo.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this had a lot of heave to it, but the shifts are violent. I mean, they're loud and it shakes the car, but not in a way that like upsets the car.

[Matt Farah]

But yeah, I mean, it kicks into like wheel spin almost and, and it, and there's the, the most. The actuation of the shifter. I mean, if you shot, you know, a recoil rifle or a semi automatic pistol that has like, not like a Glock, like a big fucking metal, you know, like a Beretta 92 or a Desert Eagle where you shoot it and it goes ka clack. You know, it does a ka clack along with an actual shotgun blast sound.

[Zach]

Technically, the Beretta 92 has an open slide. It's much lighter than most guns that actually has a lot less recoil. What you're thinking of is the Desert Eagle Night 50, which, yeah, I shot one of the guy, a Desi. He was shooting it and I was watching him and he goes, you want to shoot it? That's what he sounded like. And I did. I tried to. And it jammed. And he goes, it does that. And then he racked it and I shot it once and I was like, that's enough. I don't need to.

[Matt Farah]

When we first started going, dude, no, it's okay. We, I shot a couple times in Philly and they, you know, they would. I think the range we went to in Bucks county where we used to go shoot guns like 30 minutes outside of Philly, I think it was like five bucks around to shoot the Desert Eagle 50. And no, you know, no one ever needed to shoot more than like five or Six rounds. Like you get it, you know. And so you'd pay your. You'd give him a 20 and he'd give you four shells and go, here you go. It's like, you know, fucking somebody, hold me kind of thing, you know. They're big. The baby Eagle is really nice. You ever shoot one of those? It's a 40. It's a miniature. It's not like miniature, but it's like a normal sized desert eagle. That's a.40 caliber. Oh, it's a beautifully made thing. And they shoot really good.

[Zach]

I mean they're. They're cool looking.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

When they landed on movie screens, all of our brains were like, oh, that's the gun for the well. Or, you know, whatever.

[Matt Farah]

When you've got Vinnie Jones. What. What gun company doesn't want Guy Ritchie character Vinnie Jones pitching for them?

[Zach]

My gun says that's the eagle.50. Downside of mine that shrinking. That's such an amazing speech.

[Matt Farah]

That scene is. That's like the Glengarry Glenn Ross of gangster film scenes. He fucking. He. He could have gotten. He should have got nominated for an Oscar for that.

[Zach]

He was.

[Matt Farah]

I wonder if he was. I say that without knowing if he was. I don't think Vinnie Jones has ever been.

[Zach]

It's like a second movie. Yeah. It's probably like we can't nominate him yet. But anyway, the. The shifting of this car is like you said. I mean it. There is a reverberation, but it's like a single clack that just goes through the whole car and it goes. And it's loud. It's bang.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And part of that's the backfire which is quite visible. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

We did get a couple good fire shots.

[Zach]

It's used big fire.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And then daytime fire. You don't even need night. It's hard to see that that was 1pm Fire.

[Zach]

Really bright.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

It is an exciting thing and very nuts.

[Matt Farah]

So the video's up on the. On the YouTubes and it's also going to be on road and track. If you prefer writing, check out both shout out to ultra shoes. By the way. Sent. Sent me and Zach some. What do they call these type of shoe? It's like a day. Not day hiking, but it's like a hiking. Through hiking. Yeah, through hikers. They're like halfway between a hiking boot and a sneaker.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Soft hiking boot or a tall sneaker. Pretty cool.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

My pair is pretty comfortable.

[Zach]

You like them? Yeah, I have lighter than boots boots.

[Matt Farah]

I haven't hiked in them. Yet I wore them like around but I haven't gone on a hike. I'm going to try and I'll report back.

[Zach]

Nice.

[Matt Farah]

Thanks for sending us the shoes.

[Zach]

Yeah, they fit my wide foot. Your wide foot?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

That's why I bought a pair of ultras four years ago because it was the only thing that fit my foot.

[Matt Farah]

Like it's, it's a stand, it's one width but it's good for my wide feet. It's nice.

[Zach]

The.

[Matt Farah]

I have a fan named Max who likes doing math and I like when fans send math. I haven't fully fact checked the math.

[Zach]

What grade is Max in?

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. I do not know but boy are there many spreadsheets. Basically, Max's math enthusiasm started with my demand motor. He saw the dyno video and he went, wow, that the power to weight ratio of that is pretty exceptional. And so he started, he did a thing where he compared it to some other cars.

[Zach]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

And then so that's pretty fun. And I'll and I'll go to that. And then he made and then I go, oh, that's pretty fun. Maybe we can talk about that on the show. Can you like just like throw some other random cars on the list for comparison so he can see like what the relative is. And so he actually put your cars and all of my cars on a chart so we can see how they completely stack up.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

So if we the the slowest vehicle in our fleet or the worst, it's a horsepower per ton with a standard sized driver meaning driver of fixed weight. And that weight isn't. I think that weights 150.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

It's not me. So your, my Vespa 300 is 105 horsepower per ton with you riding it. Not with me riding it. Okay. Next up is your RAV4 Prime. 146 horsepower per ton. The Myers Manx Radial is 170 horsepower per ton. The Taycan Cross Turismo is 176. My NSX which is an NA2 is 195. Your E46 is 206. The Countach is 270 and the Porsche is 370.

[Zach]

Whoa.

[Matt Farah]

Horsepower per ton. Now that's a lot for the Porsche and the comparison. Where's the compare? Oh, here the original chart which has the, the comparison. So that puts it in terms of horsepower per ton. It's. It's split five horse five on either side. Split between a Hellcat Red eye and a 911 Turbo S which is, that's Pretty high.

[Zach]

Do you know what the SSC Tuatara is per ton? Why don't you quick math. That's £3,000 at 3,100. So I just did 0.66.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Zach]

1155 horsepower per ton. Holy moly.

[Matt Farah]

The highest one. The highest one on the list. The Mazda 787B which is the rotary Le Mans car is. Was 751. Whoa. Horsepower per ton. But you. What did you say?

[Zach]

100111 50. Something like that? Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy. Other notables on the list, I mean 370. I mean is that's that between a Turbo S and a Hellcat red eye. Wow. 375 is an Aventador. 379 is the 1987 yellow bird.

[Zach]

You know what?

[Matt Farah]

This, that's how fast that car was.

[Zach]

We should drag race your car against a lot more cars because it's. Your horsepower per ton is so similar. It is these legendary supercars.

[Matt Farah]

It is the. The new scr. I don't think that's right. He wrote scr, but I don't think that. Oh no. That said, that is right. The new scr is 381Z06 current Z06385. And then what? And so. Yeah, that's pretty fun, right?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Thank you, Max. What else is good maths? 964 Carrera 179. That's like the same as my Taycan.

[Zach]

So I should race someone's 964 for pink slips?

[Matt Farah]

Hell yeah.

[Zach]

Sell it to singer, bro.

[Matt Farah]

Ferrari 328 GTB 189. That's pretty good. 328 GTB is better than the NSX. Pretty good, huh? Thank you, Max. Yeah, fun math.

[Zach]

I wonder what like a Pacifica is, you know a Pacifica is that on there?

[Matt Farah]

I wonder if he made it. He put a couple like fully random things on the list. I don't see a Camry V6. 2018-24 is a. Is 179.

[Zach]

Oh.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

If you have a Camry, you should race a Raptor for money.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Straight line.

[Matt Farah]

Well, dude, you remember when I raced a Prius for a car show? No. In we were doing one of the airstrip events, and we did a bit where I was in the Raptor on the gravel. Oh, yeah, the Runway. And I raced the Prius on the Runway, and I almost lost.

[Zach]

Yeah, it was really close.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, because the fucking raptor pegged at 99 miles an hour, and a Prius can go, like, 125. And we had a Runway. So, like, I got out ahead even on the dirt, and the Prius was fucking creeping.

[Zach]

That was a really good race, though. That's on the Internet somewhere.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but that's a fun game. I like that one. I don't have any other really weird ones. I have a bunch of older sports cars. The Alpine, A110, 212E92, BMW 335, 190 Rolls Spectre 192. That's misleading. That thing feels fast because it has instant torque. That's fun. But it's funny that I'm right behind the 911 Turbo S because we have actually gotten the official confirmation we're going to be giving away a 911 Turbo S and we get to mod it too. Which is pretty fucking fun. It's a brand new Turbo S. I.

[Zach]

Think if we modify it, it will smoke your car in a straight line, maybe from a roll.

[Matt Farah]

The power to weight does not tell the entire story. PDK and a turbocharged powertrain?

[Zach]

I think we should find out.

[Matt Farah]

I'm just.

[Zach]

That's what I'm doing.

[Matt Farah]

We can race it.

[Zach]

But anyway, we are going to give away.

[Matt Farah]

Brand new Turbo S will absolutely take my car in a straight line for sure. Power to weight be damned. If you did like a single in gear pull, it might be close. But we're gonna put some wheels on it. We're gonna put some fucking. Some nice hurrahs. We're gonna take it to BBI and we're gonna do a package that will not void the warranty, but will accentuate how delicious a Turbo S is. And then we may do some aesthetic mods because you have to make it look cool in thumbnails.

[Zach]

Right. Gotta look special.

[Matt Farah]

Those are the things. But, but it's a. I've. I've seen photos of the car. It is a lovely specification. It is a specific car. It's not a. And we were going to have it for like a month. And we have to do the. Do all the things. But. But we're starting with a brand new car and we already have partners in place that are down to fucking play around. So we will have details on how you can enter in the next. I'm not sure the exact start date, but we learned from last time. And we're going to have the entire build done before we announce the first thing. So there's no weird pressure.

[Zach]

Yes, we've learned that lesson.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, there is some pressure. We have to modify the car before sema. The car has to get to sema.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

So. And like. But the stuff that's going on is easy, straightforward and it's going on a brand new car. So that hopefully shouldn't be a problem, but we get to go. We also have to make some videos with it. Just things.

[Zach]

And then, like, then get it to auction and then.

[Matt Farah]

And then put it on a container to Russia. Oh, what?

[Zach]

What?

[Matt Farah]

Sema auction? It's not going to auction.

[Zach]

No, I was doing. I was the. You know, the pressure of get the thing done is always like, gas monkey garage.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we got a customer's coming on Thursday.

[Zach]

We got four days.

[Matt Farah]

What happened? He can't possibly wait. My tycon wasn't done. Homie was like, I'm sorry, it's got to be tomorrow. I was like, okay. What else was I gonna do?

[Zach]

That's why there's no TV show about this Porsche dealership.

[Matt Farah]

There should be. God damn it, there should be. They have. You know what they have at this Porsche dealership is one of those 911 GT3R, like, Ren Sport things. The owner of the dealership got one of them just sitting in the show.

[Zach]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

But it's not. It's. It was raced like he's. It's covered in grime. He raced.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

He's doing something with it. Whatever he's doing, it's dirty. That is dope. The. Did you see the fucking. The guy who got ticketed in the Charger EV for loud exhaust?

[Zach]

Yes, I did.

[Matt Farah]

Pretty funny.

[Zach]

Funny. And the cop was like, I'm not going to argue with you. Which is, you know, such a police officer response.

[Matt Farah]

This. This problem. This. You even think this will get to court?

[Zach]

Yeah, I bet it will.

[Matt Farah]

If the person driving this car is listening to the show, please call off the record. I think they'd probably represent you for free.

[Zach]

I mean, but the only way you can't do a fix it ticket, you can't just bring it into, you know, whatever office it is and say, I fixed the thing because nothing's changed.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And that person's not gonna deal with this argument. They're gonna go, that's not my problem. They're gonna hand you off to court, and then the judge is gonna throw it out in four seconds.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Now I was gonna say the prosecutor would decline to even prosecute if you put the. If I was a prosecutor and somebody put this, I'd be like, I'm not. I'm not going in front of a judge and say, are there prosecutors for this?

[Zach]

Isn't it, you know, like traffic stuff? Sometimes you go up. It's just the judge hears it. Right.

[Matt Farah]

There's no.

[Zach]

There's prosecutor also.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, there is a prosecutor.

[Zach]

They're present, but. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

No, I mean, I suppose, like, there's. I have definitely been in courts, and I suppose every state is slightly different, but I have personally been to courts and negotiated with a prosecutor to. Before. Before a trial. When Tom Morningstar and I did our reverse Bull Run road trip to fight our tickets, we did that in two different states where we had an opportunity where the prosecutor had, like, office hours, basically before court. And you could just go and be like, hi, here's what I'm charged with. You know, and they'll be like, all right, well, you know, we'll drop it down to a no seat belt, and you pay 200 bucks, no points. And I'm like, dunzo.

[Zach]

Got it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Well, when I. When I fought the ticket. Not fought, but I drove that guy's Mustang that had expired reg, and I got the ticket, and I had. So we were in line in court, and it was like an assembly line. Everyone just stood in front of a table, told the judge what was up. And when I told the judge, he was like, this is not your fault. Like, let's get it. It's exonerated or whatever.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, it's got to be state by state. Different. Slightly different procedural stuff.

[Zach]

Now, what if this person.

[Matt Farah]

Or maybe that was a speaker on it? That's.

[Zach]

Which would be the dumbest thing in the world.

[Matt Farah]

That would be hilarious. What an opportunity for, like, Bazooka to.

[Zach]

Cover Fender amps or something like that.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. I think also, I mean, I think sometimes those tickets may have been, like, misdemeanor tickets. They may have. Those may have been, like, the biggest.

[Zach]

Yours.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I don't remember. Like, I don't remember what. What trial was for what.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

But, like, those may have been, like, misdemeanors versus, like, you know, little.

[Zach]

You guys were in more trouble, I think.

[Matt Farah]

Yes, we were.

[Zach]

So, yeah, I think this is. You know, Borla can make a campaign for these and be like, make your EV go to 11.

[Matt Farah]

Didn't MagnaFlow do a mach E that had a fake exhaust on it? I think they did. And I would hate to crap on MagnaFlow because they made a nice exhaust for my Manx, but I think I remember seeing that and going, yeah, no, right.

[Zach]

Borla Active performance sound for Mach E. So, yeah, I don't know. But if this is just a bone stock charger that just makes. I mean, that would be. This is an interesting case, either.

[Matt Farah]

Have you heard someone rip one of these yet?

[Zach]

No.

[Matt Farah]

It sounds really funny. Yeah, it sounds really Loud. Louder than it should be.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

It's. It sounds like a speaker playing a fake. A fake. It sounds awfully similar to the ionic 5N. Like, everybody, like, is like, oh, I like the idea of the Ionic 5N, but the actual sound sucks. This sounds almost exactly.

[Zach]

Why didn't they make it sound like all the V8 cars they've made in the past?

[Matt Farah]

I don't know.

[Zach]

Like, this is like the portion they have. They have the. The archives. Pull from the archives. That's 426 something.

[Matt Farah]

100%. Yeah. They. I don't know if I'm. If you're Porsche and if you're Dodge, you should be doing that.

[Zach]

All right.

[Matt Farah]

We don't need the digital. Whatever the fuck this is. It sounds so weird. I heard one. I was standing outside. Outside here, like, getting the mail the other day, and someone went, you know, people, like, hit it here. And this guy was like, what? Because even the Ionic 5N doesn't sound like that on the outside. Right? It's on the. Like, to hear it on the outside is. I just was like, oh, but boy, this is the thing. Like, oh, it's not good. It's not great.

[Zach]

$40,000 on the hood. I would charger today.

[Matt Farah]

Love to go fight that in court, though.

[Zach]

I just want to. I. I think hopefully this is in one of those precincts where they, like, broadcast the court, you know, the trial live. So you can just watch. It'll be the most watched thing since OJ It'd just be a bunch of car nerds. Curious what happens with this. This situation.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Your honor, it's electric. What? Dismissed. That's. That's so funny. Good for him. Good for him.

[Zach]

This.

[Matt Farah]

It looks like he pulled over in a gas station. If that's the actual photo of this.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Which is a funny place to pull over.

[Zach]

Is this like a real clip of the situation?

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I think it is. This is really funny. Can you play this audio on this? You've been warned for your mufflers in the past. That was when I had a gas car. Hear it? He just did a rev. It sounded.

[Zach]

Yeah, but it sounds pretty quiet.

[Matt Farah]

It's pretty funny.

[Zach]

Oops.

[Matt Farah]

Are you aware electric cars don't have mufflers?

[Zach]

We'll play twice. That's.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, my God. Some cops are so stupid. You're getting a couple citations. You've been. That was when I had a gas car.

[Zach]

Is.

[Matt Farah]

That's funny, man. I mean, he. If you did. If he did like a launch and went like 100 miles an hour. That's one thing.

[Zach]

And he's like are you aware electric. I love when the past. I mean the passenger is making sense, but also the driver's like shut up, bro. That is so funny that I, I.

[Matt Farah]

Think that is the kind of. I think he's. I think he's basically getting a speeding ticket without evidence. I think you're right is what's happening. I didn't. I couldn't see you, but I. You just flew by. I got nothing. But I'm giving you this. There's. In an electric car. Like what else are you going to give him for? He's. And I think the cop probably like, I mean he doesn't have anything. He's not, he's probably not being stupid. He's probably thinks he's cutting the guy a break of some kind. But he also doesn't have anything on speeding. That's probably my guess.

[Zach]

I think the cop, the officer thinks he's being smart and he's like I'm gonna give this guy a ticket in a way that I think work because like you said, I don't have him for speeding. Yeah but. And if he's being a nuisance, he's ripping around. He's basically wanted to stop that behavior. Yeah, but it's funny that he used the excuse that is almost physically impossible to be like your, your muffler's too loud. Like, oh, wrong.

[Matt Farah]

Because you could use other stuff. You, you could use exhibition of speed. You could use unsafe start. There's like a variety of things you could use to go. I saw you do this thing that wasn't speeding. That's kind of funny though.

[Zach]

Very funny to use.

[Matt Farah]

He really goes wrong with using the word muffler loud muffler. That's just, that's a problem.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Cuz like the public nuisance and like noise, you know, there's got to be some. Something in the statutes that's basically the equivalent of like having your. A crazy loud stereo. Like that's where you want, that's where you get it.

[Zach]

Maybe. Well that's probably the nuisance thing, right? Didn't he say that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That's probably for. Yeah, I would just, just fight the battle.

[Zach]

Can't wait. I can't wait to hear what happens when this goes to court in like two months.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I call four seconds in front of a judge. Yeah, it's got, it's getting thrown out. Let's hear from the people. You said we had a lot. A lot from them. So let's let's make sure they are heard. What are we doing over here? The Patreon is where it all goes down. Patreon.com Smoketirepodcast it's where you can help keep this show rolling down the road. Ask questions of the live show, tune into the live show, get the show early, get the show without ads, get extra show, sometimes even too much extra show. Do exclusive giveaways over here. And of course, let's get to what those patrons have to say. After I have a sip of my water. Bad gardener says. A couple months ago I posted a picture of a. Oh yeah, a Ram Viper truck towing a Viper. My dad had the same setup for his first track car. Cool. What are the best car combos that make each car cooler than they would be alone? I mean, they don't have to be from the same oem. Towing your Manx to Pebble with a Bentley, that helps. I mean, if you tow. If you're towing with a Lamborghini LM002 towing your. Your Countach, that would be a game over.

[Zach]

Or if you use the same truck to tow like a Stirrado or something. Sure, that'd be cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, towing your, you know, your Ford race car product with some type of Lightning. Yeah, it was cooler back in the day when it was like the oh3 lightning towing a Cobra. Ford doesn't have the really equivalent of that today.

[Zach]

Towing of the Raptor is funny because they squat so much. They're not great tow vehicles. I've done it. They're fine.

[Matt Farah]

There's a, there's a. There's a Cullinan in my neighborhood with a tow hitch on it with a, with a tow ball in the tow hitch. And I would like to say that the person is being a fucking super pimp and like towing their boat or something with the Cullinan. But I once saw it parked where it lives and. No, they own a funeral home. So they have multiple white Cullinans. Why a white Sprinter and. And they tow a glass like casket trailer.

[Zach]

Oh, wow. It's like a hearse without the engine.

[Matt Farah]

It's like a hurt. Yeah, they're towing trailer. It's like a display trailer that they took.

[Zach]

It's a show and display.

[Matt Farah]

I think the car's on show and display.

[Zach]

Interesting.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

All right. Yeah, they should tow. Towing Airstream or something. It'd be cool.

[Matt Farah]

You could. I think that. I don't know what the tow rating is of a Cullinan, but it's probably good amount. Did you know the tow rating of that Bentley is £7,000. I'm writing the story about that. Wow. The trailer was only like 3140.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Randy says if you won the Powerball, how many cars would you buy? Would you pull a Leno or would you perfect Curate a perfect 5, 10 or 20 car garage?

[Zach]

I would get into dozens for sure.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah. It could, it could get out of hand.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's. I would, I would end up just that. I just, I don't have that many places to drive, but I would, I could still end up buying enormous amount of cars.

[Zach]

Thaddeus sent me one of those high octane property listings yesterday. And it was, it was like a ranch house setup. It was stocked with like 20 side by sides and eight sand cars. It was like, do you and your boys want to have a place and just have your own rental fleet of off road? Shit. It's ready to go.

[Matt Farah]

Turnkey.

[Zach]

It had a dirt track in the back. Yeah, turnkey. Exactly. So I might have dozens of cars, but maybe 20 of them would just be those things.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I think, I think what I'd like to do if I was really rolling like that is I would have properties around the country, places that I like to visit and I would keep location specific cars for, for that. Those things. That's kind of, I think what I would do. And if I'm at that level, I'm have my own. I'm gonna have a couple people that are dealing with the cars and they're also going to be my like transporters and they could run cars from one house to another. Things like that. I. But like, I don't know if I could ever get up to like a hundred. It just, it would get. I don't have time for that because.

[Zach]

Then you're not driving, then you're collecting them because you like seeing them.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And you just. When the numbers don't matter, it's like the Matchbox cars, you know, you just go, oh, this gave me a little bit of joy when I saw it. I purchased it. You know, what is it? It's a real 250 GTO. I'll take six of them.

[Matt Farah]

You know, Billy idling. That's very good. Do I still shoot film? Not really. I mean, you know what was tough about film for me is I graduated up to very large format. What you might even call ultra large format. Where I was shooting 8 by 10 in college. And when you were shooting 8 by 10, the grain was so fine that it was essentially non existent. You, you know, you could make an enormous print and you're only enlarging the thing four times compared to a 35 millimeter where you're maybe enlarging it a thousand times to make the same size print or a couple. A couple hundred times at least. And. And so when I graduated from college and sold my medium format camera and sold. I never. I didn't ever own a large format camera. I was using my colleges. I started shooting a little film on 35. It didn't really. I didn't like how it looked. It was really grainy and not very vivid compared to what I was able to get out of the large format camera. And I got kind of like disillusioned by it. I was then like, oh, well, this doesn't really.

[Zach]

Well, you peek too early.

[Matt Farah]

I just. Yeah, it doesn't look like. I like, I really want it to look. So I kind of don't bother. Having said that, like, I really like the idea of, you know, shooting. Shooting and then not seeing the photos for a little while. Like, that's really nice. And, and I like just. It's. Dude, that he talked about a Pentax K1000. That's the. That's the 35 millimeter camera I have. And it's a fucking tank. I mean, mine is from the late 70s or early 80s, I don't really know. But. But dude, you can fucking huck that thing anywhere. And when you. When you fucking wind it and you put. It's that same. Like the shifter in the Tatara. It's like a clack. It's really satisf. Yeah. Our friend Gibran who takes car pictures, just, just literally. He lives in New Orleans, just started a film store, like an actual physical brick and mortar film and vintage camera store. So I don't know what it's called. I should probably. I got to get a hold of Gibran and get the name of the store, but in New Orleans. But. But anyway, film's not dead. I just personally have not been motivated that much to shoot film. My vanos is bleeding. We've talked about bourbons and scotch and we know that Zach likes the gin. But how do you feel about Irish and Canadian eye whiskey?

[Zach]

I don't know what Canadian eye whiskey is.

[Matt Farah]

I'm not sure I really do either. I have therefore no opinions on it. I'd like to try some maybe if you want to send us a couple like suggestions, like staples of what a good Canadian eye whiskey is, I'll go to the store and buy a bottle and let you know I'm down to try it.

[Zach]

Can we still get Canadian eye whiskey here? Real question.

[Matt Farah]

It's probably fucking. I don't know.

[Zach]

I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, it hasn't been long enough. I bet there's some. Some stock still on the ground, you know, but. But, yeah, it might become problematic. We should get it while we can. Jacking off the record. Truly exceptional. No notes. Exceptional. Remember that clip of Pharrell discovering, basically, Maggie Rogers in her NYU class? It circulates around Instagram, and he just looks up after hearing a song, and he's like, I have no notes.

[Zach]

Who's Maggie Rogers?

[Matt Farah]

A musician.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

That's what I. It's not that important, but that's what I have about your username, sir. Top bourbons under 100 bucks. Number one Taconic Distillery, if you can get it. It's like, last I looked, it's like $55 a bottle. That's my fucking jam. George Dickel Single. I think it's Single Barrel. It's the. The George Dickel with the blue label. I forget exactly what it's called, but it's like. Like a squat little bottle with a tall, skinny neck. And it's got a blue label on it. That's my. That's the. Right there.

[Zach]

Johnny brought one that was like 26. It was like H. Wells or something like that.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, Jade Weller. No, no, not Weller. Weller's expensive. The. The. The. That J that Johnny got was JTS Brown, and it was like 25 bucks.

[Zach]

Delicious.

[Matt Farah]

And it was totally delicious.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. That's a good three. Christian says, are we reviewing the Ferrari 12C? Yes, we are. And as a matter of fact, I have to circle back with them. They told me to circle back after pebble, and then I forgot and. Thank you. Right now, you guys, that's. That's the part of the show where you guys get to listen to me make notes. Thank you for your help. German Shepherd Transport E 39 thoughts on the Porsche Wireless EV chargers announced this morning. Morning. We can pull up that story. So how do you feel about EV chargers, Zach? I mean, wireless EV chargers. Do you. Do you use one for your phone?

[Zach]

Only in cars that provide them. Otherwise, I. They've gotten a lot better. For a long time. If the phone moved a millimeter, they would disconnect. And I found that very frustrating. So I. I am currently. You know, whatever. Call me old. Like, I trust the wire more, and I would really hate if I parked my EV overnight and I came back and it was like, Oh, I was an inch off. It didn't charge. Sorry, you don't have any range. That would suck.

[Matt Farah]

Well, you have to imagine that there's some kind of a display that goes.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Let's call it a docking display where it guides you onto how to park properly and then it confirms that it is charging. And then one has to hope that Porsche's app would alert you if the charging stopped.

[Zach]

I'm sure that would happen.

[Matt Farah]

One hopes. So one cannot expect, but one hopes.

[Zach]

You know, the cables are not that inconvenient for me, but I understand that this is more convenient and we humans will always drift towards more convenience. So.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean, I would say that on the one hand, it not touching anything is convenient. It may also cause less wear and tear. Opening the charge port cover door. If people are charging their cars every single day. Sure, maybe, maybe. Don't know. Don't know what it will cost compared to a standard home charger. Standard home chargers are pretty cheap compared to the cost of a Cayenne EV. So I imagine if a home charger is like 500 bucks and the Porsche brand home charger wouldn't be but juice box, which is what I use and what I gave my parents to use. Any or any, Any equivalent brand, higher end, but. But independent brand, 500 bucks. I don't think I would use this. I think, I think it. I think a standard charger has a level of versatility that this doesn't have. For instance, like, you'd have to also have a regular charger if you had this.

[Zach]

Why?

[Matt Farah]

Because if it failed, you'd still want to be able to charge the car. The car obviously still has a charge port, so you can charge other places. If a friend comes over with an ev, you want to be able to charge. To drive an EV and not have somewhere to charge a friend's EV is selfish and silly. Well, I charge all the time in my house.

[Zach]

Now you're in Samsung versus iPhone. You know, Thunderbolt land.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach]

It's like, oh, I have the cable for this phone, but not your phone. Yeah, that's true.

[Matt Farah]

I charge friends cars at my house all the time. I mean, just if they're, if they're over, you know, if they're staying over or whatever.

[Zach]

I think if this is stable. Yeah, it will be popular among people who. I mean, people like convenience, older people. Yeah. I think it'll just remain to remain to be seen how easy it is. How, like, how precise do you have to be over this rectangle if you're, if you're listening to us looking at the picture. It looks like a rectangle. It's like about as big as the hood. Maybe half the size of the hood.

[Matt Farah]

So the size of a doormat.

[Zach]

Yeah, it looks like a doormat. So can you be off to the left a little bit? Off to the right a little bit and it still works? I hope so. I assume so.

[Matt Farah]

But I mean, probably it's. This is not this, you know, it's probably. Probably McLaren did this first with the speed tail. The word is it never fucking worked. It never worked. I know two people who had had speed tails.

[Zach]

I would trust Porsche more.

[Matt Farah]

Me too.

[Zach]

Roll that. They usually don't roll things out until they're pretty solid.

[Matt Farah]

But my charge cable was recalled, just so you know.

[Zach]

Really?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. That was the first recall. The first recall when I bought the car. I bought the car and immediately was like open recall. And I went to the dealer and they go, here's your new charge cable. Give me the other one.

[Zach]

I stand corrected. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. I look forward to using it. I'm sure there will be a press launch and one of us will get to try it and I hope it's stable. And I think like my dad, he does, he parks his car in the same spot in the same garage every day. At my house, I don't park my EV in the garage. I park it in the driveway and I have like a 30 foot cable and so I like the flexibility to be able to park it pretty much wherever in the driveway I need to and get my charge on.

[Zach]

I do like that this is more convenient for a very specific situation, but outside those parameters, it is less convenient.

[Matt Farah]

I would Bet that over 50% of Cayenne owners and. And probably an even higher percentage of that of prospective Cayenne EV buyers park their cars in a garage.

[Zach]

Oh, sure, Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I wonder if the mat is all weather capable though. So like if you did have a driveway, if you could, I don't know, you know, if you could just like lay this thing on the driveway and then drive over it.

[Zach]

But maybe. What if leaves get on it and then.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Zach]

Does that heat your leaves? Right.

[Matt Farah]

That's fire. Like a magnifying glass.

[Zach]

I don't know how it works. Does it get feeding?

[Matt Farah]

No.

[Zach]

Let us know in the comments.

[Matt Farah]

Hot. I don't know about you, but like when I. If I try to use the wireless charger, my phone gets hot as.

[Zach]

Yeah, it does.

[Matt Farah]

I don't, I don't use wireless chargers in cars.

[Zach]

I Wonder if the car will have to run its battery cooling system while charging.

[Matt Farah]

Well, sometimes they do anyway, when they're plugged in.

[Zach]

Yeah, right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. If you. If you. My car will make a. Not as loud as the Ford. The Ford did it a little more than the Taycan when it was plugged in. It did make the slight hum of, you know, circulating energy and. And coolant once in a while, like it would. It would come and go.

[Zach]

But I think. I think the phone gets hotter with wireless charging than plugged in charging for sure. So I'm wondering if the battery pack in the EVs will then get hotter and run the cooling system more or whatever.

[Matt Farah]

Probably.

[Zach]

Interesting.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, interesting indeed. Trog. Trogdor. The Burninator. Oh, really has a black Pearl Canyon. Thank you very much. What is the correct way to describe the dial? It is Tahitian. Black mother of pearl. That's what it's called. Work from home roadie. Superhero. See here. I respect the question. Work from home roadie. Not a superhero. Guy, though, wants us to give superheroes cars. Superheroes need to fly. They can't be driving.

[Zach]

A lot of them don't fly now. They just jump a lot.

[Matt Farah]

They jump.

[Zach]

They can't let everyone fly. They're all Superman. And then you lose the Christian imagery. Think of that. It's true. Can't have more than one God be one Jesus.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, true. Okay. I don't understand the wording of that question. Neil DeGrasse Taycan. That is very good. From a data perspective. How are the patrons distributed across the globe? Can we see the breakdown by country? Can you see the breakdown by country? I'm not sure you can. Unlike YouTube. On YouTube, we're 56% US and then about 10, 12% Canada and then maybe like 8 UK and then it's, you know, single digits for some Middle Eastern countries, other Western European countries, Australia, New Zealand. Australia might be like 5%, but it's. It's very small percentages. If you go into countries where English is not the main language, it does.

[Zach]

Not show me any data on where y' all live. Where our patrons live, I should say. Yeah, it doesn't have any of the data like YouTube does, so I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

Tahitian. Curse of the Black Mother of Pearl Jam. There's a lot happening there. And I'm into it, though. Is it a good idea to buy or lease a Tesla Model Y after the tax credit ends? I'm on the fence on pulling the trigger on a used one with decent miles. I would not Buy a fucking used Tesla. They're built really badly, like really badly. And the Model Y rides like shit. I'd much rather have a used 20, 23 or 4 Ford Mach E every fucking day of the week.

[Zach]

That's true.

[Matt Farah]

They're built so much better and they ride better.

[Zach]

Depends on the charging network in your area. But I mean public charging has gotten better outside of Tesla. Tesla still wins with the supercharging network. Do you see Jason Fenske just bought a lucid, or at least a lucid.

[Matt Farah]

Oh for like nothing to get one of the cheapest.

[Zach]

Really cheap. Yeah, it was, it was 82 or $76,000 is the, the list price. But his lease deal is insane.

[Matt Farah]

Like five something.

[Zach]

It's really low. Yeah, the video is worth watching. It's very funny. But yeah, so that's his. He tried, he had a Model I for seven years.

[Matt Farah]

There is a price at which a lucid is a good, a good buy. You know, not 180,000 bucks but like if you're talking about, you know, 600amonth or something, like hell yeah. On a lucid those things drive great. Ryan west says you've often said that the current Bentley line is basically as good as a car can be as long as you can afford it. That's. Yeah, I will stand by that. I have no reason to disagree generally, but which car ticks all of those boxes in a more urban city friendly size? Is it a macan or am I forgetting something else?

[Zach]

The Macan is very strong.

[Matt Farah]

Macan is our very strong.

[Zach]

Looks good, drives great, looks good. Inside and out. Capable. Rides pretty well.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Now if you get too sporty, it won't ride very well in New York City or in Boston. Like the ride can get a bit stiff. Yeah, good, good SF car.

[Matt Farah]

I mean if, if you, if you're. Let's see these thing of the things about, about Bentleys are so good at everything. I mean you haven't. The, the Audi SQ5 is pretty, pretty good. It's not quite as good as a macan, but it's pretty good. There any other like great like sport crossovers that I am not thinking of right now? I mean the, the Audi RS3 is a probably a little firm for New York city or Boston S3. The S3 is nice. Yeah, that's, that's a lot of car.

[Zach]

I think that's a car it delivers on because all these categories like if.

[Matt Farah]

You'Ve got macan money, you shouldn't get an S3.

[Zach]

Yeah, true. I mean there's a Big difference in price, you know, especially if you get into the upper tiers of macan. Yeah, but the Bentley, the thing with the Bentley is when things cost that much, the suspension gets as magical as it can get because they can afford, you know, the crazy air damper or whatever the technology is, and you just can't get that lower. Like that's why it rides so good. And then it firms up and you have all the luxurious appointments inside. So I think it's like, you know, they do the whole like here's three categories. Pick two. Yeah, Bentley is. When you're at that price, you can pick three, you can get. And that's what's rare.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, the fast, good and cheap, you know. Pick two. But like if you can make, if you can get rid of cheap, then you can just have all three.

[Zach]

Well, it's like performance, luxury, comfort, you know. Pick two. But when you get into like Bentley Continental GT speed, you pick three and it's amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, there's not the. The Audi RS3 does, does all of those things very well in a compact package, as does a good macan or an SQ5. Also like a Taycan Cross Turismo.

[Zach]

Kind of big car though, I think.

[Matt Farah]

Taycan.

[Zach]

Yeah. I wonder if I haven't driven an X1 in a long time. I wonder if that's.

[Matt Farah]

I haven't thought about an X1 in forever. Yeah, I think, I think I. Yeah. It's hard to beat a macan, especially if you're talking about a brand new one.

[Zach]

Yeah. This name is amazing.

[Matt Farah]

David Tuig. The pink one in the stink is about as good a username as I. Oh man. EVs will have the tax credit vaporized on September 30th. If I lease or buy now, I'll face inflated prices because of artificial demand. Or wait till after 9:30 and see if manufacturers absorb the 7,500.

[Zach]

I mean that's just a gamble. Yeah, my, my bet. And I'm saying bet, like don't listen to me. I have no insider information. I bet prices fall a lot after the credit vaporizes because I think it's just going to.

[Matt Farah]

Because people will just for at least a few months stop buying.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yeah, but we'll see.

[Matt Farah]

Hellcat, Brown eye. I just saw this one this morning. Have you seen the video of the quote, $1 million yacht that capsized instantly after launching? I know nothing about yachts, but no way that that's a $1 million yacht. I thought exactly the fucking same thing. The boat looks to be About a, maybe about a 55 to 65 foot power yacht apparently built in, built in Turkey. It's a big fucking boat and there is absolutely no way that that is a million dollars. If that's a brand new boat, that's gotta be four, five million dollars.

[Zach]

Yeah, more expensive, right?

[Matt Farah]

Much more expensive. Much, much more expensive. 4 or $5 million. $1 million today will get you. If you're talking about a power boat with a cabin, like with an in with a livable inside, you're talking probably for a million. Maybe It'll get you 45ft.

[Zach]

Boats are so fucking expensive.

[Matt Farah]

Well, especially if you're talking yachts. Yeah, this is, this is easy. Four or five may, maybe even more. But they, they, it's crazy. The video just, they roll it down the ramp and it fucking, it's in the yacht. It's short enough for like a fucking TikTok and it just, it starts to list and then. But if this boat, let me tell you something, if this boat actually cost a million dollars, I'm not surprised it.

[Zach]

Sank because like too cheap for the.

[Matt Farah]

Sake a boat big that only costs $1 million. That's a shitbox, like straight up, up box.

[Zach]

It just, it didn't have an engineering team, they just had a design team. Yeah, yeah, that's. This is like a three story, about two story. This is a big boat.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy.

[Zach]

It's got all the radar and stuff, man.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And I mean like, I mean Turkey, it's built in Turkey and like, you know, I'm not. There are a lot of very high quality boats built in Turkey. So you can't be like, oh, what's fucking Turkish? No, but, but yeah, a 5 million probably. And b, if it really was one. Yikes.

[Zach]

Every population, every industry has a person down the street who goes, they charge you 4 million, right? I can do it for one.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And it's not going to work out. There's a reason it's expensive.

[Matt Farah]

Sucks. I wonder if you know if it's made. If it really is made in voyage though it's probably on the shipyard and not on the owner. Even in terms of an insurance claim. Oh yeah, they probably have not actually taken delivery because you have to do sea trials and stuff like that before you can take delivery of about like your car sink. Yeah, yeah, it's probably, it's probably the shipyard's insurance probably. Yeah. Matt's bong the adjuster. As YouTube becomes more rewarding of short form, would it make sense to stop making YouTube videos and add Another weekly podcast or is the math looking bad there too? I don't have any evidence that a third episode a week would return money in proportion to its own existence. And I'm pretty sure that if we had to fill four and a half hours of content a week instead of three, that I'd have a pretty hard time doing that because we wouldn't have time to go out and do the things that we need to talk about on this program.

[Zach]

I also think we exist in a weird time where short form is. Is bigger than ever. But long form has definitely returned. You look at, you know, Fenske's videos, there's plenty of content out there that is 20 to 40 minutes, sometimes longer. Like Larry Chen's videos are. A bunch of them are 45 minutes plus. So it's, it's really interesting that there's the audiences now. I don't know if they're divided where younger people are into short form or. And older people are long form. But I know my friends with kids, all they can do is watch shorts because that's what they have time for, literally. And so I don't know. It's an interesting time where short shoot, super short and longer shit are both succeeding at the same time.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. BMW, the ultimate check engine light machine. Now that's all right. I've had a. I've had a 2009 WRX for 16 years. Bought it new. I have 3 kids and a wife, so my new car needs to be spacious, comfortable for road trips, but still fun and sporty when I'm alone. I prefer manual and rear wheel drive. Best of luck. But would consider other options if they're compelling. 25 to $40,000. Pro tip. I work at a Chevy dealer and can get GM parts and service on the cheap.

[Zach]

Can you get a Chevy SS for 40,000?

[Matt Farah]

Then yeah, you want an SS and that's.

[Zach]

That's it.

[Matt Farah]

That's what the newest, nicest one you can afford.

[Zach]

Erica's M5.

[Matt Farah]

That's. That's what you've got. Matt's 2013 polo sweater. I like where your head is at. Do I have a 2013 Polo Sweat? Is there a specific sweater that I had that is embarrassing from 2013? I feel like that's a reference to something and I don't know what it is.

[Zach]

Well, if I don't, I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

I have mentioned I had the one from the Beijing Olympics that had my name on the back of it that was embroidered. That may have been it. Deep cut.

[Zach]

Let's just say deep Cut.

[Matt Farah]

How do you feel about low riders? It would be cool to see a one take bouncing and leaning.

[Zach]

I think they're awesome.

[Matt Farah]

Love them. Yeah, 100. 100%.

[Zach]

I think that's a car that really clearly displays the owner's love and work put into it because it's such. So much of it is about aesthetics and I always appreciate that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they, they don't love when you, like, film them. They, they, they don't trust the media to not either make fun of them, misunderstand them, or like villainize them as gangsters. And most of these people are like, seriously, like family people and like real Christians, not like bullshit Christians. Like, and they're like not gang bangers. You know what I mean? They like, they dress, they have, they have the cholo style or what. They're like, you know, people in lowriders today are like community leaders, not gang bangers. And they get very skeptical of people filming them. We hung out with Mr. Cartoon and rolled his lowrider and that was fun as hell. Chris wants to talk about the Nismo Z manual. Yes, that, that will be excellent. Do you think there'll be a press launch for it? Yeah, probably right.

[Zach]

Why wouldn't there be?

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. But the Nismo Z was kick ass other than the automatic gearbox. So I bet, I bet that would be a really, really good car. Car.

[Zach]

The. I feel bad. Remember I drove that. Well, we both did. Drove that Z1 Motorsports car. And we're like, I wonder what it costs to convert a Nismo to a manual. And now they're making one. Yeah, it's.

[Matt Farah]

That'll be the end of that car. Yeah, it'll be like those people who were doing wide body hellcats before Dodge did them themselves. Out of business real quick.

[Zach]

The take rate was so high on the wide body.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, okay. Cayman mysock, I think. Is it supposed to be pronounced my sock or is it supposed to be like messiah?

[Zach]

No, I think it's a play on Wysock package.

[Matt Farah]

It's a play on white sock. But it's my sock.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. I didn't know if it was a messiah.

[Zach]

No, no. So they wrote my sock.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

To show. And now. And also they came in my sock.

[Matt Farah]

I like it came in my sock. That's the joke. Oh, that's funny. You have to say it out loud.

[Zach]

Yeah. If you're 14, you know what we're talking about.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, that's. That's a no notes. That's a level I. It's awesome. For scientific Purposes, let's say that you have a family member that works at Hyundai. Given the incredible discount you get off off of vehicles, what genesis would you pick? The higher the trim, the bigger the discount. I couldn't tell you the name of a trim level of a single Genesis, my friend.

[Zach]

The last one I drove was really nice. I do remember that. I don't remember what it was.

[Matt Farah]

I, I like the SUV that looks like the Bentley.

[Zach]

The GV70, really good.

[Matt Farah]

GV70, I think is a nice looking vehicle. I think the GV60 is an interesting EV if you get that, get that loaded up nice.

[Zach]

Well, it's like the Kia EV6, right?

[Matt Farah]

It's the. Yeah. And the Ionic 5. Yeah, I think it looks good. Nice looking, good interior. I would. The G70, that's what I drove, is a, is a nice sedan. But I mean, if you're talking, you know, you get better discounts off higher trim cars like they do get nicer. Yeah, I would go with the GV loaded up GV 60 maybe if, if.

[Zach]

I was going to do an EV there. I think they're great looking cars. Yeah, they look really good.

[Matt Farah]

Probably loaded up GV60. Yeah, yeah. Good username though. Shout out to him. Roof yellow lead birder. Now we're talking. That's excellent. You mentioned punch list type work being done on the Manx. What is the warranty like on a, on a resto mod? I think it's, I mean, I don't. There isn't a written warranty. Okay. So anything, pretty much anything is handshake. But obviously I, you know, providing a lot of positive PR for the company just based on my experience. So any fucking smart businessman would want to make sure my car is good. Sure. I mean, having said that, I think they probably want to make sure everybody's car is good. Mine is just, I think a little more important than most because it's the first one and a lot of notes that I'm giving back and changes that we're making now are just going to be the default on other customers cars. So it's a little more important to have a very detailed punch list. Wait, what was the actual question though? Oh, the warranty. Yeah, handshake. Honestly. But you know, generally when I've had like very expensive aftermarket or service work done, I've felt very comfortable asking for a handshake warranty of a year, you know, reasonable use. And with, you know, the people who do work on my shit or who they know I take care of stuff, they know I'm not going to go out and fucking rip donuts till the gearbox explodes. Right. So if I tell you something's broken, it's because it's broken. It's not because, like I was a moron.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

One pothole on the FDR drive. Volkswagen's putting in the five cylinder into the Golf R as, as they say. I see no issues with this. I'm pro this. There's no controversy. And if, if that means you can get a Golf r powertrain for $52,000 instead of 68, that sounds like a win to me. Think it'll get the ceramic brakes?

[Zach]

I think it'll sound great.

[Matt Farah]

They're gonna do.

[Zach]

Except for the interior.

[Matt Farah]

They're gonna detune it. There's no way it makes the same power as the Audi.

[Zach]

Oh, of course. But then you take it down the street to somebody.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach]

And then it makes a ton of power.

[Matt Farah]

The Audi makes 405. I bet you they, I bet you they make it do 360.

[Zach]

What is it? What is the Alpha currently make? I forget.

[Matt Farah]

300.

[Zach]

300.

[Matt Farah]

3 oh, 300 and something.

[Zach]

Oh, it's like 305, right? 315. Oh, yeah, good guess.

[Matt Farah]

360.

[Zach]

360. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. The Myers Manx Glitzy Glizzy edition. Question for Zach. I've always wanted to own an E46 M3 in Laguna Seca blue, but the cost premium for that color over a similar condition black silver is substantial. And buying a non color premium car and having it wrapped Laguna Seca blue, does your wrap give you the same experience as if you bought a Amazon green car? Or do questions like is it paint or wrap get tiresome?

[Zach]

The question I've gotten a lot is when did you paint it? I don't get a question of is it wrapped? So it's not tiresome yet. Experience. I am more careful with it than I would if it was paint. Like when I open the door, I mean I'm always careful opening the door in my garage because there's not a ton of space. But I'm, I'm a little extra nervous because it is.

[Matt Farah]

Because it can tear.

[Zach]

It can tear. And it's like a self, it's got a self healing thing in it and it's supposed to be pretty durable for like five years at least. But I just know that it's not as hard as, you know, clear coat with paint. So that's the experience of living with it. Now the cost savings like this is a math question and you need to call a Wrap shop near you. Like 405 hooked me up. They gave me a very big discount. But. But if it had been done MSRP, it would be like $14,000. And I know everyone's going, holy shit. Like, when I saw how much work they put into it, I understand why they charge so much money. And the work is super detailed.

[Matt Farah]

They also did like the entire vehicle prep essentially, as if it was getting painted.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

They just didn't do the paint.

[Zach]

They filled every single dimple on my body, every single one. And like they sanded and primed the hood. I mean, like you said, the prep was so perfect. That's where a ton of your money goes. So I would say call around to wrap shops in your area and ask them what they would charge to do PPF color wrap on a car and ask how long, how much prep they do. Because if you're buying, you're obviously buying a used car, it's probably gonna have the same pits and dents my car did. And 405's philosophy, which I agree with, is if you're putting a brand new surface on a car, if there are dimples and dents and things, you're going to see them when you look down the side or the top of that car. So that's why they fill them.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Other shops might do as much, might not do as much work, but you might find that spending the money on the LSB car is about the same as having a shop do a really high quality wrap. And then you have a car that is OEM lsb, which is a very desirable color.

[Matt Farah]

Alternatively, the premium for that color, for the color you want is gonna be the same when you buy it as it is when you sell it. Okay, so it doesn't necessarily mean you have the money to spend right now, but that premium for that color is parked. It's not spent, so you get it back later.

[Zach]

Really good point.

[Matt Farah]

So like, you know, on the one hand, if you can't afford the premium color and you really want to get into the car, buy the best example you can find. And as long as the color is not hideous, whatever, you're in the game. Maybe you trade up later, maybe you wrap it, whatever. But those kind of colors, whether it's red on a 90s Mercedes or, you know, or Laguna Seca blue or whatever, the good color that, that everybody wants so much so that it makes a premium, that premium won't go away.

[Zach]

Right. Whereas selling the car with a wrap is probably going to be more difficult or you're Going to lose that money, I think, essentially versus selling it with OEM lsb.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Last one and then we're going to stop because I really have to pee. Tim A says guidelines and best practices for radar detectors and maximizing their efficacy. I like to mount my radar detectors high in the windshield. That's typically the way to do. Needs to have a clear view of the front and the back. I use the portable charge cable for my radar detector because I'm bringing it from car to car all the time. I don't have any hard mounts in any of my cars. If you're only keeping it in one car, then yeah, the hard mount kit is where it's at. I like to put mine, my Valentine 2, on advanced logic mode, which basically ignores all X band and most of your K bands as well. It only picks up like the strongest K bands and then KA bands. And then I combine that with, with Waze in CarPlay. And I find that using those two systems together is like. It's not perfect, but it's pretty, pretty foolproof. I am very rarely surprised by the presence of police. And so that's what I would do. I know the Escort, the other. There's other great radar detectors. I don't use the GPS functions. I don't use the app pairing really with the Valentine. I do. I can make all the changes I need through the unit now, which you couldn't do with the older one. So I keep it all in a nice little like a dopp kit thing along with my windshield mount and an extra set of chargers. And that's sort of my like road trip kit that I bring in whatever car I'm road tripping. So I'm. I'm just ready to go. And thank you very much before we get out of here, Roth V wants to offer my mom 26k for her f type. Shit's not for sale, homie. Did I talk about selling the F type?

[Zach]

He asked if it was for sale. You said make an offer.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I did, yeah. All right, I'll bring the offer to my mom. I suspect the answer will be no, but I will bring it to my mom.

[Zach]

I'll give her 27.

[Matt Farah]

Thank you everyone for your questions today. We appreciate all of our patrons. I am off tomorrow to North Georgia. I'm going to be driving a 911 Carrera S across the Smoky Mountains, scouting for the road and track Blue Ridge Ramble. That's happening in November. This one's going to be awesome. We're going to be doing Two tracks. We're going to be doing the PEC in Porsches and we're going to be doing Atlanta Motorsports park in your own cars. Plus we're going to be driving both the Charahalla Skyway and Tale of the Dragon. Plus we're going to be staying at at very high end hotels in Brazelton. We're staying at Chateau Holland, we're gonna be staying at the Oliver in Knoxville and we're gonna be staying at a Nobu in Atlanta and we're gonna be going to Nashville as well. It's gonna be a kick ass, kick ass trip. But I'm gonna spend the next four days just driving. And fortunately I asked to borrow a car and they have a 911 Carrera S that's sitting around. So at least I get to drive something nice. So if you go back a few posts in my Instagram to Motorcycle Day. Yeah. There's some photos of it and I'll post some more later. But there it is. That's the BMW R12 9T, which is BMW. People will defend this as a very creative name. I think this is in the Jeremy Clarkson fax machines name. Basically you can decode it. The R in that name means it has the horizontally opposed boxer engine which you typically will see in the BMW GS adventure bikes, AKA the best motorcycles ever made ever, probably.

[Zach]

So basically they learned from Alan Turing and that's how they name their motorcycles now.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, coding. Yeah, it's super. So R, it's kind of like, I mean, well, I would say for a time being, you know, Mercedes or BMW, you could decode what the car is, you know, from the badge. Now, that badge doesn't mean shit, but so basically R is horizontally opposed boxer engine, which looks like, you know, one third of an air cooled Porsche engine essentially. And R12 means it's a 1200cc engine. That engine has come in a variety of displacements. The newest big GS is a 1300. This is the older GS 1200 from like three or four years ago. And the nine, which is written letter R, number 12, word, nine letter T. Okay. It's also a throwback style to BMW's R90, R90 motorcycle from back in the day. All right, so there's a couple things happening. I happen to think it is a very, very pretty motorcycle. It is what you might call a sport tourer. Zach, if you click over to the right, I have maybe a better photo of the bike. It has the full powertrain from the R 1200 GS, but shoved into a smaller Naked sort of sport bike. Now it can't be fully sporty because it has this sort of monster wide low engine that makes a whole bunch of torque mid range punch in this really beefy shaft drive robust gearbox that's meant for this ride around the world adventure bike. But it's on a street focused suspension on a lower thing. The tank is actually sort of the same, similar to the GS. It's big, big tank but then it has like a normal seat and then a normal sort of setup for street riding. So it's this kind of like funky in between thing. It's, it would be like, well like like imagine Dodge had built the V10 truck first and then put that engine in a sports car. Yeah, basically like Ford F150 Lightning. And then the Ford GT had a version of the same engine, same kind of, same kind of concept there. But it's, it's so, so some good things about it. I have anything. It's very pretty as do many other people. Everywhere I went with it people were like that is a very pretty motorcycle. BMW motorcycles, particularly BMW motorcycles with boxer engines have like sort of the ultimate in street cred. Everybody, whether it's an adult or a kid or someone who knows a lot about motorcycles, someone who's a little bit. They all universally understand that BMW motorcycles are good. These are well made hot. Every like little kids were like that's a BMW motorcycle.

[Zach]

Now is that because of their history with the, the GS's probably around the world?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, probably.

[Zach]

And people assume it and I guess people assume it trickles down in quality quality to their other bikes and does it?

[Matt Farah]

As far as I know, I mean I've the police all here in LA. The cops all ride BMW K 1100s. Like they don't ride Harleys anymore here they ride K 1100s. Harley's are for little ratings. Okay, yeah, they're all on BMWs now. And, and also like the, the S1000RR sport bike is like pretty gold standard level stuff. I mean it's right up there with you know, Ducati and in terms of, and the highest end Japanese stuff in terms of quality. So. And I haven't heard any horror stories. Maybe motorcycle nerds are like well you didn't know about the fucking sprocket timing guides, you know, whatever. I don't know. But I've not heard some horror stories about BMW motorcycles. And you see them with tons of miles on them anyway, it feels really solid, feels really well made. It rides, I mean literally the suspension, the ride quality is very nice. It's really heavy for its size, and so it is resistant to turning. In some ways it's not the most agile bike, even though the weight is pretty low with the horizontal cylinders compared to. To if it was maybe a big V. But still it is heavy. And because of that engine, the mid range torque is really good. Having said that, there are some issues because it's heavy, it's not as agile as other motorcycles of this price point, and it's not as agile as it looks. For instance, it's $19,000 as equipped, which will buy you anything. I mean, it will buy you a lot. And so it exists in this middle ground where it's really cool and weird and interesting and different. But being those things doesn't make it excel at anything. It's not like, well, it has the engine from this and that makes it better because frankly, it would probably be an objectively better motorcycle if it had the 1100cc four cylinder instead of this. But that would also make it worse. Like the Purosangue. If the Purosangue had the Twin Turbo V6, it would probably be a better SUV, but it's a worse Ferrari. Same thing. There's no fuel gauge. There's an emergency light, but $19,000 BMW motorcycle should have an actual fuel gauge.

[Zach]

Does it have a miles to empty somewhere?

[Matt Farah]

No, nothing. Just a light when you get low. No, no, I'm gonna pass on that one. Yeah.

[Zach]

And you look through the menus like there's.

[Matt Farah]

Through every menu, there isn't a range GTFO. There's an average fuel economy, which is. Was 39 for me.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And you know, one could do the math on how much the tank holds.

[Zach]

I don't want to do that.

[Matt Farah]

I don't either. I want a fuel gauge for $19,000. Wow.

[Zach]

Okay. Huge miss.

[Matt Farah]

My Vespa. 5,500 bucks. Fuel gauge. Like that one. That one. We need the quick shifter. I'm sold on quick shifters. You don't have to use them, but if they're there, they're typically very nice. And I ride in traffic a lot, so it makes my day easier. But this quick shifter is only good when you're accelerating briskly. Not necessarily flat, but harder than I would accelerate when just riding around on the street. Let's call it 50% throttle. The quick shifter is smooth. At under 50% throttle, it kicks, which in a car, fine on a motorcycle. I don't want my motorcycle kicking from underneath me at light throttle. So I have to use the clutch to shift smoothly when going Slowly, which I also like using quick shifters to shift smoothly when going slowly. I don't only want to use a quick shift to. When going fast. My guess is the GS is a lot heavier. The quick shifter is just taken right out of the GS and no adjustments are made for the different geometries and or weights of this motorcycle versus that motorcycle. Because I did not have that issue when using a quick shifter on the last GS I wrote. So that was odd. And likewise because I was using the clutch a lot. The clutch engagement is a little chunky. Now that could be good if you're getting used to riding motorcycles. Fabulous clutch feel. I mean, it was a real. It's off, it's off, it's on. You could really feel it through your left hand. But it was also a pretty hard transition from off to on. And it made an accompanying thunk in the motorcycle, you know, and so, so.

[Zach]

Slipping it, it was more of an on, off switch.

[Matt Farah]

When you, when it first started to engage, when it went from zero to the beginning of the friction zone, it was, went. So that is not necessarily bad, but like you could feel it. It was a, it was a thing almost like putting a high performance like sequential gearbox car into, into first.

[Zach]

Oh, right, yeah. And did the bike move like, you know, you did. You feel it more.

[Matt Farah]

You feel it through the bike and you know, okay, that's. Now, you know, it's engaged. But it's in other bikes that I've ridden that has been a smoother engagement. You know, again, 19 grand. It's like, it's a refinement thing more than anything else. Having said that, I've had this for two weeks. I actually forgot what day it's supposed to go back. I think it's another week or so. Overwhelmingly though, I think it's a very, it's been a very nice thing to ride. I've done about 450 miles on it, so I have ridden it a bunch. And it's, it's, it's a neat thing. And if you are a fan of weird boxer BMWs, but you're not going to go adventuring. You're going to ride just around. Here's a way to get that weird engine in a more streetable package.

[Zach]

Now, did you miss having a windshield? You know, the GS always has a windshield.

[Matt Farah]

I hate how windshields look. But if I'm really gonna do any kind of highway riding at all, absolutely indispensable. You know, this thing up to about 65, 70, it's fine above 80. You know, granted that Is an alleged speed that I might have tried once somewhere where? Far away from people.

[Zach]

Closed course.

[Matt Farah]

Closed course. You're really hanging on or you have to tuck, which I don't want to talk on this fucking bike.

[Zach]

Yeah, Naked bikes look so cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. For the city and for occasional highway or, you know, back roads, you know, sub 70 miles an hour. Naked bikes rule on the highway. When, you know, you. You get so tired without a windshield so fast.

[Zach]

Well, if you're taking the corners fast, you're not even behind the windshield anyway. Right. You're just hanging out, hanging off like Tom Cruise.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But generally a very well made and interesting motorcycle that I'm sure will find its audience. And it was very pretty. Oh, you know what else was? Despite being like, it feels so solid, this thing, you know, it really does feel very solid except for one thing which is unforgivably flimsy. I can't figure this out. The gauge pod. The two gauges that are above the headlight. I don't know if I have another photo of it, a good photo of it. It's not how the gauges look. It doesn't matter about that. The gauges look fine. They're analog, they're nice sweep. They actually work great as gauges minus the lack of a fuel gauge. But those gauges are mounted on a bracket, A plastic bracket that then attaches to the fork somehow. And it's literally just a plastic bracket with a little kick up. And on one end it attaches the fork and then it kicks up and the gauge is attached to it. So they're on kind of an angle. So much metal on this motorcycle. And this bracket's plastic. And I wouldn't care that it was plastic except the gauges fucking bounce. Wow. When you hit bumps, the gauges bounce. And I was like, how is this a thing? Like, this is crazy. Like to the point where on some rough roads, like I had trouble reading them and I was like. And I'm looking at it and I'm going to. It's not like it's a rubber. It's not like it's got a bushing there where it's designed to bounce, you know, like an anti earthquake building.

[Zach]

It's not that it's the flex of the bracket.

[Matt Farah]

It's just a shitty piece of plastic that can't handle the weight of its own gauges over bumps.

[Zach]

I wonder if they did a metal bracket, then they would need a bushing because then the vibrations might lock the gauge up.

[Matt Farah]

That is totally boss.

[Zach]

And then maybe you'd still have the same movement.

[Matt Farah]

I'm not sure it's totally possible. And that's the. That was like. That was like the first gen Raptor problem where people were bending frames and Jamal was like, look, I could make the frame stiffer, but the next thing that explodes is your shocks. And if one of those goes, you don't drive home. Whereas you can drive home on a bent frame and complain to me from the safety of the dealership. And that was his. That was his trade off. So you could be totally right here. And this piece of junk thing is designed to protect a gauge that needs some kind of a shock absorber. But the fact is, the end result is you're riding around on a $19,000 motorcycle and the gauges are bouncing, which is weird.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's weird and hard to read.

[Matt Farah]

Really bizarre. But shout out to BMW for letting me have a go. I have enjoyed it. And shout out to my friend Mike for coming all the way out to LA from New York for the first time in 16 years and giving me a reason to ride it up the mountain. That was cool. So I'll see you guys next week when I get back from my trip and we'll have more smoking tire podcasts then. See you later.