Parts Site Nightmare; Plane Lands on Car; Volvo Review;

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast: “Parts Site Nightmare; Plane Lands on Car; Volvo Review”

Date: December 11, 2025
Hosts: Matt Farah & Zack Klapman

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Matt and Zack deliver their trademark mix of automotive takes, humor, and industry insights, covering everything from viral car-plane collisions to a frustrating parts order gone wrong, and an in-depth review of the Volvo V90 Cross Country. They break down what makes online car parts shopping a nightmare, recount the surreal story of a plane landing on a car, and critique the fate of wagons like the Volvo as SUVs take over. The gang also dives into tangents about depreciation, backup camera tech, and field a variety of Patreon audience questions covering cars, watches, and even airport design.

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Key Segments with Timestamps

1. Viral Plane Lands on Car: Chaos and Contingency

[01:32 – 07:04]

• The hosts discuss a viral dashcam clip where a Beechcraft Baron lost power and landed on a Toyota Camry driving down the highway.
• Zack is relieved both parties survived:
  Zack: “Thank God. Otherwise his head would have been crushed.” [01:51]
• Matt instantly riffs:
  Matt: “Guy in the Civic is just rolling down the street, smoking endos, sipping on gin and juice, and laid back.” [01:32]
• Debate on vehicle roof strength and plane weights:
  Zack: “What's that plane weigh? Thousand pounds?”
  Matt: “No. More than that.” [03:10]
• On the aftermath:
  Zack: “What do you think that conversation’s like? ‘Can I have your insurance, bro?’” [06:23]
• Both marvel at the dashcam footage:
  Matt: "That would top the Mustang going off of Turn 9 at Willow for best dash cam video ever recorded.” [01:53]
• Matt jokes about getting a pilot’s license.
  Matt: “Every time I see a video like that, it makes me want to get a pilot's license.” [05:22] Zack: “It definitely tells me exactly why I shouldn't.” [05:39]

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2. The $46 Parts Geek Ordeal: An Online Customer Service Saga

[07:04 – 25:17]

• Matt recounts his three-week battle with “Parts Geek” to get a $46 refund for missing NSX lug nuts.
  • Story highlights: missed shipping, endless hold times, AI chatbots, and eventual recourse through his credit card company.
• Matt tries to keep it light, explaining he stuck with it “because it would be funny radio”:
  Matt: “About three quarters of the way into this process, I decided this would be maybe funny radio for somebody, and that I was going to fly the plane into the mountain.” [17:48]
• Walkthrough of AI chat transcript, highlighting absurd circular logic and screenshots with “tracking not available.”
  Zack (as chatbot): “This is the last update we have from your order, so you need to wait. You will get an update from the warehouse.” [19:26] Matt: “That screenshot literally says number invalid on it. You can give me an actual valid tracking number.” [21:23]
• Matt reflects on his own customer service philosophy:
  Matt: “I've given customers hundreds of dollars [...] on the off-chance I fucked up. You know what I mean?” [22:39]
• Zack highlights how sometimes local brick-and-mortar stores are way easier and cheaper for basic parts:
  Zack: "The guy at Napa laughed and went, ‘three bucks.’ That's good.” [23:48]

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3. Volvo V90 Cross Country Review: Great Seats, Hard Ride

[30:39 – 43:14]

• Zack reviews the Volvo V90 CC after a Thanksgiving road trip:
  • Praises: seat comfort, good tech (Google Maps integration), double wishbone front suspension, affordable price compared to rival wagons.
  • Gripes: unexpectedly harsh ride quality, particularly on rough roads and expansion joints.
• Quote:
  Zack: “These seats are like...just the right amount of memory foam and then supportive underneath. Super configurable. Absolutely loved them. Radar cruise is great. Angling lights when you turn is awesome.” [35:03]
  • But, “I think it’s too stiff.” [36:55]
• Discusses Volvo’s mild-hybrid B6 powertrain, confusing labeling, complexity of engine electrification.
• Both agree SUVs are why wagons like the V90 struggle:
  Matt: “The XC60 is fucking ways. That thing rules.” [38:53]
• Zack laments all climate controls being screen-based, lane-assist being too aggressive, and an outdated parking camera UI.

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4. Automotive Backup Camera Deep Dive

[43:14 – 47:53]

• Matt shares an email from an automotive camera engineer breaking down why some backup cameras (e.g. Porsche Taycan) are so bad compared to others (e.g. Rivian):
  • Placement, lens warping, and supplier priorities all impact quality.
• Quote:
  Matt (reading): “Porsche is placing the camera extremely low with an extremely wide angle lens and then warp and dewarp geometrically...it is the worst backup camera I’ve ever used geometrically.” [44:14]

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5. New vs. Used Taycan GTS: Active Ride Suspension

[47:53 – 52:00]

• The guys compare the latest Taycan GTS (with the new “Active Ride” hydraulic suspension) to Matt’s older Cross Turismo.
  • Active Ride is praised as “absolutely worth every penny” of the $7k option price.
  • They note how the interior quality and user experience are remarkably similar, making a strong case for buying used.
  • Quote:
    Matt: “If you don’t drive anywhere and you just sit in the cars, they’re the same...which is great.” [51:07]

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6. Patreon Q&A: Wagons, Depreciation, Reboots, and Cheap Automotive Fun

[53:07 – 102:43] A selection of highlights from a rapid-fire Q&A section covering:

Wagons for Lemons Racing

• Suggestions include E46 BMW, Volvo 240 and 700/900 (easy engine swaps).

Depreciation

• Celestiq, Rolls Royce, and Maybach values are expected to plummet.
  • Matt: “It’ll be epic. It’ll be truly epic.” [57:02]

Maintenance Nightmares

• “Fuck, Marry, Kill” with old German luxury sedans:
  • Marry the S8, fuck the S65, kill the 760Li.

Daily Drivers for the Snow

• $10k: E30 wagon
• $30k: Subaru STI
• $100k: F-Type R AWD or Porsche 997 GTS on snows

Automotive Itch When Broke

• RC cars, sim racing, detailing, or small-scale part restorations (e.g. carburetors).
  • Zack: “Once you buy the stuff...amortizing every time you run it, sim is the best value for your dollar.” [74:41]

Regulations & Heavy Cars

• Spiraling costs and regulation vs. consumer demand both blamed for vehicle bloat.
  • Matt: “It’s like a cycle...tech to combat the weight, then weight from the tech, and around and round.” [95:58]

Pro/Con Dash Cams

• Both see value but don’t use them due to constantly switching cars.
  • Matt: “I'm pro the existence of dash cams...but driving three different cars a day...I don’t fuck with a dash cam.” [101:17]

Notable Funny Moments

• Banter on insurance claims after a plane collision.
• Imagining the warehouse/office class war (à la The Office/Tommy Boy).
• Jokes about OnlyFans, Lemons racing livery puns, and “two guys in the back of a Lexus Texas.”
• Departing shot teasing Brian Scotto’s upcoming (very long) guest spot:
  Zack: “Prepare for three hours, 'cause Scotto's gonna want to go for some kind of a record.” [102:45]

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Memorable Quotes

• Matt (on customer service AI): “Lucas is not a human…Lucas is Tilly Norwood.” [20:37]
• Zack (on local auto parts): “If you ask how much something is and a person laughs—that means it’s good.” [23:51]
• Matt (on wagons): “I hate to say it, but the XC60 is fucking ways. That thing rules.” [38:53]
• Matt (on modern car heft): “It’s a circle that just spirals around, yeah.” [96:14]
• Zack (on Volvo seats): “That’s the best seat in the game, I agree.” [42:48]
• Matt (on pro dash cams): “I’m pro the existence of dash cams. I love seeing a crazy dash cam video.” [101:17]

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Conclusion

A thoroughly on-brand episode, with Matt and Zack mixing personal anecdotes, in-depth reviews, and a classic segment of Q&A tangents. The topics jump seamlessly from the absurdity of a plane-car crash to the frustrations of modern online retail, the practical benefits (and odd faults) of new tech-loaded cars, and why sometimes old-school methods—or just going to your local parts store—can be the best. For car enthusiasts, DIY types, and anyone who enjoys real talk and real laughs about the auto world, this is Smoking Tire at its best.

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach Klawonn]

There we go.

[Matt Farah]

I saw this. This plane comes in and tries to do a highway landing, but then. But lands on a fucking Civic or something. Dude, that guy in the Civic is just rolling down the street, smoking endos, sipping on gin and juice, and laid back.

[Zach Klawonn]

Thank God. Otherwise his head would have been crushed.

[Matt Farah]

And a Beechcraft is on his mind. Literally fucking dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. And it bounces a couple times, too, bro. Mike, what are the odds that motherfucker's running a dash cam? Because, look, because then the plane comes, it bounces on him and it goes forward. So he's got a crush. Crush. And the plane. He's got the best shot of all time. It would top the Mustang going off of turn nine at Willow for best dash cam video ever recorded.

[Zach Klawonn]

Do you remember? This is early Internet, by the way.

[Matt Farah]

I hope this guy didn't, like, die.

[Zach Klawonn]

No, they're both. They're both.

[Matt Farah]

They are. Okay.

[Zach Klawonn]

Early Internet. There was a video.

[Matt Farah]

I think it was, like, joking about these things.

[Zach Klawonn]

This might have been the 90s. It was like the first look at CGI I could remember and there was a plane that lands and it lands on a Jeep Grand Cherokee. And it's like the plane touches down on the Cherokee and landing because the landing gear is broken. And the Jeep holds up the plane and it's like the Jeep saves the day. And this guy's just driving commercial. I, I think it seemed like someone was making a spec commercial. And this proves that your Jeep probably is not going to support a C130 that lands on it. I mean, this guy landed on this car. What's that plane weigh? Thousand pounds?

[Matt Farah]

No.

[Zach Klawonn]

Pretty light, right?

[Matt Farah]

More than that. More than that.

[Zach Klawonn]

Either way, it just, it came down and thank God for a pillar strength.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, enough to that plane. What is.

Occurs to me that I don't know what a plane weighs, but it must be more than £1,000. Beech Baron Beach Baron is the name of, is the type of plane.

I mean, it's like a fixed wing aircraft, low wing aircraft.

[Zach Klawonn]

Oh, wow. I was way off. It's like £5,500. A Baron 58G58. Yeah. I don't know what that was, but. All right. That's heavy. Yeah, that's some kinetic energy. Okay, you need a Pagani roof structure.

[Matt Farah]

Great. Doc Brown, he'll rip through us like we're tinfoil. You know what I mean?

[Zach Klawonn]

When did he say that.

[Matt Farah]

He'S flying? He says, let's Doc, let's land on him. We'll cripple his car. Marty, the 46 Ford or a DeLorean ripped the West Sideworth in foil.

[Zach Klawonn]

In hindsight, with what we know now, the 48 Ford would have also crumpled.

[Matt Farah]

No, it would have been bad.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The second collision we've all seen, the.

[Zach Klawonn]

Male would have been ugly.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but man, it's a dude. That guy, he's in the middle lane too. This dude is the least aggressive driver. No one's around 65, hands at 10 and two eyes for it.

[Zach Klawonn]

Just listening to an audiobook about jazz. You know, a history of jazz. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And that's, that's why if this dude, if this dude was driving like, like 95 was the Mulsanne straight, he would have had both the focus and the pace to not be in this situation.

[Zach Klawonn]

Maybe if the plane had landing lights, but I mean, if you were driving, this plane descends very quickly. It didn't have, it looks like it had no power. It didn't really glide and touch land. It just kind of came down.

[Matt Farah]

It lost altitude fast at the end here.

[Zach Klawonn]

So I think. Unless you spotted those landing lights.

[Matt Farah]

If you scroll down.

[Zach Klawonn]

Understood what was happening.

[Matt Farah]

The commentos of this Reddit post, Is there another angle? Does anyone else have another angle of this one?

[Zach Klawonn]

Hurt? No. Death. That's good.

[Matt Farah]

You wanna guess who was hurt?

Oh, is that. Oh, apparently.

Here's a YouTube video showing something else. Okay, well, good times. I mean, you know, flying. Every time I see a video like that, it makes me want to get a pilot's license.

[Zach Klawonn]

It definitely tells me exactly why I shouldn't.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, is that the car?

[Zach Klawonn]

I think that's the car.

[Matt Farah]

What? Is that a. Is that a cam? Oh, it's a Camry.

Yeah. You think Toyota's gonna give him a new camera?

[Zach Klawonn]

Look at the cuts from the props. Whoa. Oh, my God.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah, we do have another angle. Hell fucking yeah. Guy banks it right in, losing altitude very fast. This is further back. Yeah, I mean, you know that's luck of the draw, right? If this. If this guy has no power, it's like, you just gotta. You gotta hope.

[Zach Klawonn]

Whoa.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

So scary, man.

[Matt Farah]

What do you think that conversations like.

[Zach Klawonn]

Get out of there. Can I have your insurance? Do you have insurance, bro?

[Matt Farah]

What's your. You got Geico?

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, Flaco.

[Matt Farah]

It's fucking. It's. Turns out it's the mayhem guy.

Dude doesn't have all. Like me doesn't have Allstate.

[Zach Klawonn]

If you're not prepared for unexpected things falling from the sky, you're not prepared for mayhem like me.

[Matt Farah]

Holy.

[Zach Klawonn]

I'm a 5500 pound beach baron and I'm out of fuel.

[Matt Farah]

That sucks balls.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yikes.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's no bueno. Poor guy.

[Zach Klawonn]

I would love to be there for the pilot. Climbing out, going, really sorry. Really, really sorry, bro.

[Matt Farah]

My bad, my bad. Okay, so for like three days, I wanted to tell you the wildest three week customer service fight I've had over $46, which is the kind of thing my wife would do.

[Zach Klawonn]

It is.

[Matt Farah]

And so I was gonna start this by saying that there's a company called partsgeek. Have you ever heard of this company? It's an online parts reseller. And I don't know, it's just a fucking website that sells parts. Thaddeus sent me lug nuts through this. It just looks like you're average.

[Zach Klawonn]

It's very legitimate. Yeah, I'll say that. This little search bar right here, this reminds me of when you go to websites where you can download a YouTube video and there's like, type in, here's where the address goes, but here's a fake Bar of an ad of where the address go?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

So anyway, I had a pretty seamless transaction to purchase.

Lug nuts for my Acura nsx. Cause I needed regular lug nuts to sell the car, right. I had the black ones for the HREs. I need silver ones to go back on the stock wheels.

[Zach Klawonn]

Can I ask, did you call AutoZone or anything first? Or you just went here?

[Matt Farah]

No.

[Zach Klawonn]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

I was talking to Thaddeus about it. I was just like, yeah. Cause Thaddeus is the. My friend who's a photographer and I was being lazy about getting the lug nuts. I was doing other things. And so Thaddeus just goes, here, I did the work for you. Just like hit buy.

[Zach Klawonn]

Got it.

[Matt Farah]

So I go, okay. So I do hit buy.

I do like three day shipping or whatever. Okay. And I'm gonna. I was gonna start this by saying that this is a story about this company stealing my money. Okay. But today, about 20 minutes before I got here, I got a thing, an email saying a refund has been initiated. Initiated. Now I haven't actually seen any monies, but I won't use that word. I'm not going to call this segment parts geek stole my money. I wouldn't because they're holding my money hostage.

[Zach Klawonn]

You could say they held your money.

[Matt Farah]

I'm certainly holding my $46 hostage until further notice. Okay? But I ordered November 14th, three day shipping. November 14th. Okay. On November 15th I got a shipping notification, okay? With a tracking number, a USPS tracking.

[Zach Klawonn]

Number just for listeners. It is December 10th today.

[Matt Farah]

December 10th today. It's almost a month.

On November 22nd. All right. It's now been over a week. I click on the package hasn't shown up. I click on the tracking number. It does not go to the usps. It goes back to partsgeek's website and it says your order is in transit. I then call and I am told to wait two days. And then, you know, I then call again.

I escalate it to the next person and they say to wait two days. And I said, can I get a refund now? Cause by now I've just ordered the parts from Autozone. Cause now I need them. And now it's been 10 days and all I wanted was fucking lug nuts. And they're not here and I need them. So I got them from somewhere else and I figured I'll fucking deal with this. So, okay, it's been 10 days and. And they've told me to wait two days twice.

The next day I get an email that says the warehouse has been alerted to the investigation. Please wait one to three days. Okay.

The same day, later that day, it says, we've started an investigation with the carrier. That may take seven to 14 days.

Okay. December 2nd.

December 2nd, I go to.

The chatbot. Not the video I sent you, but previous to that, I didn't screen record this one. And I request a refund based on the fact that it's now been over two and a half weeks and I have not received this part. And there's no one knows where it is. And they say there's an ongoing investigation. We can't refund you during an ongoing investigation. The next day, December 3rd, they say, I get an email that says, the carrier is investigating. We need to wait for the carrier to finish investigating and deliver their findings. I then go. I then call customer service and I'm told it's a 45 minute wait.

[Zach Klawonn]

I go back, wait two days on the phone.

[Matt Farah]

I go back on the chatbot. December 9th. December 9th. This is from. This is from November 14th. December. They go back on the chatbot. Just the investigation is ongoing. Nothing else. I would like a refund. Not. No, not while the investigation is ongoing. Well, I'd like you to cancel my order. We can only cancel the order in the first hour. We can't issue a refund if you don't return. I was like, okay, okay, fine. Now it's. Now it's what? This was Yesterday is the 9th, right? To the 10th. Today's the 11th, right?

[Zach Klawonn]

Today's the 10th.

[Matt Farah]

Today's the 10th. Okay, so today at 6:30am, I call, I get on the phone. I'm caller number 25. When I call at 6:30am and I stay on the fucking phone for 45 minutes, I get to number two, hung up on gone after 45 minutes.

[Zach Klawonn]

It just disconnects on you.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I go back, I go back. This is for $46. I go back on the chatbot. And at this point, I have the conversation which I have screen recorded and sent to you.

Oh, first. Well, by the way, I'm number 25. And it says, press one and we'll call you back when it's your turn in line. Yeah, press one. Does nothing, of course, Absolutely nothing. So now I sit there and then they hang up on me. Now I'm at the chatbot. Do you have the vid? The thing, can you pull it up?

[Zach Klawonn]

Oh, I can airdrop it. I think.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach Klawonn]

You are a far more patient person.

[Matt Farah]

Well, no. About three quarters of the way into this process, I decided this would be maybe funny radio for like somebody and that I was going to fly the plane into the mountain, you know what I mean?

[Zach Klawonn]

Or a car as it were.

[Matt Farah]

So do you wanna. So scroll down.

Just a little bit. Are you showing the screen?

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. So do you want to be the chatbot, which is gray and I'll be.

[Zach Klawonn]

Oh yeah, let's play it out. Where do you want to start? Off the top?

[Matt Farah]

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I scrolled it in a way that I think it's readable. Okay. So go ahead. You're the chat bot.

[Zach Klawonn]

Sure.

Hi there. Welcome to the Parts Team web. Sorry. Hi there. Welcome to the Parts Geek website. Our best qualified team agents are ready for you. Let us help. We have the best prices and benefits online.

[Matt Farah]

I would like a refund on an order that I paid for but never received. And your company has spent nearly a month investigating.

[Zach Klawonn]

Hello, this is Lucas Harper. Welcome to Parts Geek. Thank you for visiting our website. How can we assist you? Order number.

[Matt Farah]

Order number. Blah blah, blah blah blah. Placed on November 14th.

[Zach Klawonn]

Sure. Then I'm going to read this literally. What is said, please? CS25962203. This is a very helpful response for you. Hello, Matthew. We highly appreciate your patience regarding this. As of today, the investigation is still ongoing and we are waiting to receive an update from the carrier and our warehouse. We will make sure to keep you posted as soon as we hear from them. This is the last update we have from your order, so you need to wait. You will get an update from the warehouse.

[Matt Farah]

I would like you to cancel my order and refund my money.

[Zach Klawonn]

We are not able to cancel the order at this time.

[Matt Farah]

Why not? Please provide me the UPS or USPS tracking number for the package.

[Zach Klawonn]

Unfortunately, we only have one hour after an order is placed to cancel an order. Because it is past that time frame and your order is being processed, we cannot stop it from shipping. Please contact us after you have received the items to set up the return.

[Matt Farah]

The order never shipped. What is the tracking number of the package? I ordered this package three weeks ago and never got a tracking number. Your company has provided no evidence that this package ever shipped at all.

[Zach Klawonn]

I completely understand the concern you have raised regarding the situation at hand. However, in accordance with the order you placed, I would like to inform you that this is the most recent update we have available at this moment. Therefore, in this particular case, it is necessary for you to wait for the final answer to be provided by the warehouse before we can proceed further. Real quick. When you sent me this, once I got to here, I was like, oh, you're talking to AI. Like, you are not talking to a human being. Lucas is made up.

[Matt Farah]

Lucas is not a human.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, no.

[Matt Farah]

Lucas is Tilly. Norwood. What is the tracking number if you can't provide one? The package is in your warehouse and you can refund my money.

[Zach Klawonn]

And then they sent a picture of the tracking number, which.

[Matt Farah]

But not a clickable tracking number. They sent a screenshot of a.

[Zach Klawonn]

So it's a screenshot of the tracking number, and literally below it in bright red, it says, tracking not available. Not available for this item. This may be because the tracking number is invalid, or USPS has not received payment or has not received the item.

[Matt Farah]

And then underscore under it, Lucas says.

[Zach Klawonn]

Lucas says. Is there anything else I can do for you?

[Matt Farah]

And I say that screenshot literally says number invalid on it. You can give me an actual valid tracking number.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yes, Matt, I completely understand your concerns regarding the situation. However, I would like to clarify that the process of refunding the parts and canceling the order is not something we have control over. Currently, the ticket related to this matter is still open, which means that you will need to adhere to the policy timeframe that has been established. Unfortunately, we are unable to take any further action on this issue until we receive an update from the warehouse team regarding the status of your order. Thank you for your patience and understanding in this matter. Is there anything else I can do.

[Matt Farah]

For you at this point? It is time to go.

[Zach Klawonn]

No, I love that you were like, I never agreed to wait for any time frame.

[Matt Farah]

For any time frame. Anyway, I basically then said, I'm calling my credit card company.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah. You talked to a made up person.

[Matt Farah]

I talked to a made up person.

[Zach Klawonn]

That sucks.

[Matt Farah]

Then I did in about three seconds, shout out to chase Sapphire Reserve, dispute the charges and win. And so they go fuck themselves. Yeah, that's fair for $46. $46?

A set of lug nuts. That's what this was over. I have fucking given customers hundreds of dollars of like, in value of stuff on the off chance I fucked up. You know what I mean? Like, I've repaired fucking scratches in people's leather that there was no way, you know, that I couldn't, like. Cause maybe possibly one of my guys did it. Maybe like, I've done like little.

[Zach Klawonn]

This is why you don't own a jet.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy. Yeah, right?

[Zach Klawonn]

Parts geek probably has a jet. I don't know. It says they've been around since 2008.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And they just fucking outsource their entire shit to AI and guess what happens?

[Zach Klawonn]

Not very good.

[Matt Farah]

Want to be around for another fucking 20 years, buddy, you better fucking get on this. That's crazy, right?

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, stuff like that. Like, I order a lot of parts online because it's just. It's easier to do research and especially finding like, BMW parts. But recently I was buying a part for the. Your episode of the game show that's coming up and like, the shipping cost of these things just seemed insane. And I called Napa Auto Parts down the street and I was like, do you guys have this? And they said, yeah. I said, how much is it? They said. The guy laughed. He went, three bucks. I was like, I'll take two of them and I'll see you in two days.

[Matt Farah]

If you ask how much something is and a person laughs. Yeah, that's good.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, that means it's good.

[Matt Farah]

It's affordable.

[Zach Klawonn]

Well, the other part I needed for my car to fix the lights that were on. The laughter was because it was $1,000 for a new. A new version of that. Yaw. Sensor.

[Matt Farah]

No fucking.

[Zach Klawonn]

But I was able to buy one on ebay that works for 100 bucks.

[Matt Farah]

Nice.

[Zach Klawonn]

And cost for that because Thaddeus looked up what cost would be 798, so.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, wow. So it's not even like it's, it's.

[Zach Klawonn]

A 20% discount, which sometimes you get cost. It's 80% discount.

[Matt Farah]

Sure. That's what I'm saying. It's brutal in the, in the world of high margin items. It's not that high margin of an item.

[Zach Klawonn]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

That's like, you know that the Bentley fucking seat motors that I had where they were $2,500 otherwise like, guess what, buddy, no power seats for you.

[Zach Klawonn]

Manual operation.

[Matt Farah]

Not motors. Brains. The power seat ecus.

[Zach Klawonn]

Oh, not even the motor. It's like the controller for it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was the brains. I mean, think like, think about like the, the kind of computer that you needed to do something in 1990.

[Zach Klawonn]

It was a Game Boy. Yeah, it was.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yes.

[Zach Klawonn]

Based on your. What? You just gestured with your hands.

[Matt Farah]

It was. Yes. That is an accurate description of the size of this particular piece of equipment.

[Zach Klawonn]

Or for anyone who's younger than us, it's like the size of a small iPad, which is gigantic.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Oh, man. So anyway, fuck those people. But that was what I spent my last four days doing.

[Zach Klawonn]

That sucks. That really. Yeah, you sent that to me. I went Mets. Brutal. Especially for something so simple, you know, it wasn't an obscure thing.

[Matt Farah]

And like, you know, I'm a real big time versus money guy. Like I make fun of my wife all the time for, for crazy amounts of time that she dedicates to very, very small amounts of value. But like at a certain point, like I got the lug nuts like a week ago like from somewhere else. Like, I, I, I could, I could just write this off as fucking getting robbed. But like about halfway through this process, I decided that riding it all the way to the end was the only way to go.

[Zach Klawonn]

I think it's. I'm glad you canceled the charges so that they are not just making 46 bucks.

[Matt Farah]

No.

[Zach Klawonn]

Because I don't know, maybe I don't want to speculate that they do that all the time.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, I would hope that this isn't just a completely fraudulent company, but.

[Zach Klawonn]

Like, maybe it's like a Dunder Mifflin situation where the guy in, you know, customer support in the warehouse, they have a beef. Remember in the office, there was a big like rift between the office people and the warehouse.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach Klawonn]

Class war. Sort of.

[Matt Farah]

Right. Or it's like, you know, Tommy boy, like he fucked, you know, banged the guy's daughter.

[Zach Klawonn]

What?

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach Klawonn]

I need Chris Farley. I don't remember it well.

[Matt Farah]

Rj, the warehouse guy's daughter.

[Zach Klawonn]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

And they hated each other.

[Zach Klawonn]

I don't do that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah. Cars.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Do you have cars to talk about?

[Zach Klawonn]

I do have the. The Volvo. And this is where we lose everybody. Wanna say that again? The Volvo V90.

[Matt Farah]

The ride with excellent seats.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yes. I wish it had an excellent ride though. So I spent Thanksgiving driving around in the Volvo V90. Cross Country. Cross country. Let me pull up my notes for this here.

[Matt Farah]

If you're gonna have a Volvo, it probably should be a cross country at this point.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah. Well, they're. I mean.

[Matt Farah]

Cause they've out all the fast is now at Polestar. Right. They've outsourced their speed to pol.

[Zach Klawonn]

Totally.

[Matt Farah]

So. And even those aren't that fast.

[Zach Klawonn]

But like they're not. Neither is this actually compared to the competitors. But.

[Matt Farah]

Right. Volvos have. Have kind of given up on fast. What they do is luxury.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, I think that's fine. Of course it is. So here's what here, here's the quick specs on this thing. Starts at 57 grand. The one I had was like 72. And it had the confusingly named B6 trim, which just makes me think of Audi.

[Matt Farah]

Doesn't B mean like mild hybrid involved?

[Zach Klawonn]

It is mild hybrid.

[Matt Farah]

That's what you're saying.

[Zach Klawonn]

It's 48 volts.

[Matt Farah]

I know. Because D means diesel.

[Zach Klawonn]

And what's the electrical? T drove.

[Matt Farah]

T is gas. Electric.

[Zach Klawonn]

We drove that electric Volvo e. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Like EX is electric.

[Zach Klawonn]

So this is the B6. It's the fanciest one they have. It has I think a B and O stereo in it. It's got these amazing like 14 way seats that have massage and cooled and heated and everything. And with this trim, $73,000, which is still cheaper than where the competing Mercedes starts.

[Matt Farah]

That's the E450.

[Zach Klawonn]

450. All terrain.

[Matt Farah]

All terrain, yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

Which is how much it starts at like 74.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Zach Klawonn]

Or starts at 78. It's a lot quicker. Zero to 60 is two seconds quicker than the Volvo.

[Matt Farah]

Because it's a twin turbo. Is it the six? It's a twin turbo six.

[Zach Klawonn]

I don't know. Twin turbo six. Yeah. Yeah. This is a tiny. It's a two liter four banger, turbocharged with electric supercharger and with mild hybrid. A lot going on.

[Matt Farah]

Isn't it weird?

Well.

Isn'T it weird to have a electric turbo, electric supercharger and a turbo.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

When you could really just have an electric turbo.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Right. Cause if you like Porsche makes do with one electric turbo.

[Zach Klawonn]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Because if the electrification can spool that turbo. Well, what do you need the supercharger for?

[Zach Klawonn]

Two things, I would say. I tried to find Volvo media on like how this system specifically works and it was very, very difficult. Like they need to do a lot better job with their press, with their tech.

[Matt Farah]

So if I had to take a swing at this, my guess would be does it have accessory drive belts?

It does.

[Zach Klawonn]

I didn't open the hood. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

I mean by. They already had a twin charged engine.

[Zach Klawonn]

They did. And it wasn't very good.

[Matt Farah]

Right. So what they do is they just remove the drag of the supercharger by putting an E motor on the pulley effectively and they go. And that frees up efficiency for the gas engine. It's sort of like a. It's a half step.

[Zach Klawonn]

Basically that was gonna be. My guess is that they already have this 2 liter turbocharged engine and if they can just take off one little part of it, that's probably cheaper than maybe redeveloping the whole packaging for just a single electric turbocharger.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

So I think that's probably more complicated to do. Speculation. I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know if it's more complicated or less complicated, but it's probably a case of like, working with what they had.

[Zach Klawonn]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

And, like, whether it's more complicated or less complicated, doing a new system from nothing costs money, you know, versus, like, modifying this one component, right?

[Zach Klawonn]

Probably. I think so. I mean, if the supercharger is just bolted on, it's spun up electric electrically and shoots air into the engine. You could kind of put it in a lot of different places when it's no longer attached to a belt, right? Yeah, but, like, the Porsche turbocharger thing, it has to live in one spot. And when they change it to an electric turbo, I mean, you have a lot. We have a lot of good cutaways in the videos of the GTS and stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Like, the engine really looks way different.

[Zach Klawonn]

The engine looks a lot different. So this engine is much better than some Volvo's in the past. We drove where the throttle was super touchy. 0 to 60 in 6.4 seconds. 300 horsepower, 4400 pounds, which is light in some ways because all wheel drive is standard. Great things. The seats are awesome. These seats are like. When we drove the car we'll talk about in, like, a month, you know, 1,000 miles, I said the foam is a little firm, and, like, some portions the foam is too firm. It'll probably hold up. Well, this was perfect. This was, like, just the right amount of memory foam and then supportive underneath. Super configurable. Absolutely loved them. Radar cruise is great. Angling lights when you turn is awesome.

[Matt Farah]

Are they laser?

[Zach Klawonn]

They're not laser. They're just. They're bright, and they just rotate when you turn. But, I mean, plenty of cars have that stuff. Google Maps everywhere. The eight speed is really smooth, and it has double wishbones in the front, like a GT3.

And the screens, which look kind of simple and small compared to most cars today, are actually really usable. And the response has always been quick because I think those screens are like a laser grid, which is different from the other touchscreens out there. So the response is great. And now it just uses Google Maps for everything.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

So it's like Audi. Like, you can get Google Maps in the center screen. You can get Google Maps in the display in front of you. Super clear, super familiar.

Things. I don't like this. Volvo rides the way I expected. Like the Taycan GTS to ride in inverse. That car is so amazing. We can talk about it in a minute.

[Matt Farah]

Active ride.

[Zach Klawonn]

Active ride. But like, active rides, the best. This is a giant luxury wagon. You know, this is the end of their wagon run, and it feels, in corners and over bumps, like a Sports car. It's just a compliment. It is not. I think it's too stiff.

[Matt Farah]

Is it because it has big rims?

[Zach Klawonn]

They're not. I don't think they're that big. And it's not like it shouldn't have a really hard sidewall. This thing rides like it has pilot sport cups on it.

[Matt Farah]

You said that about the Mazda CX50.

[Zach Klawonn]

Too, which I stand by. Yeah, Same thing like that car to me with this off road image they're portraying. Similar to this Volvo. Both of them, I think felt like they had been tuned for canyon driving. But that's great for a car commercial. But what people actually use this for is driving around town and. All right. Yeah, LA has the worst roads possibly in the country. Top five for sure.

[Matt Farah]

Certainly not worse in the country, but they suck.

[Zach Klawonn]

They're in the top five or ten of worst roads.

[Matt Farah]

We go to the podcast tour and we stop in Boston or Philly or D.C. or any of them spots. No, no. Okay. That shit's Philly's like fucking off roading.

[Zach Klawonn]

Well, they're pretty bad here. But I mean, I drove this like east 100 miles just over small expansion joints and regular things. I was just really surprised we have.

[Matt Farah]

That type of shitty because we have the concrete and the expansion and the like. That's different. Like east coast, they have like good asphalt, but there's like potholes that get from the plowing and the whatever.

[Zach Klawonn]

Well, hard edges.

[Matt Farah]

But then there's holes you have to like avoid and shit. Yeah, sure. Here it's just, it's. There's less of the holes, but there's more.

[Zach Klawonn]

We have a lot of that. But just around the corner here there's a. There's the sinkhole that's happening in front of Chick Fil a for sure. And you need a truck for that? No, that one's really weird. Yeah, there's a couple space spots around this block. There's a lot of undulation and short.

[Matt Farah]

Distance on a fucking swamp, dude. Yeah, it's all built on a swamp.

[Zach Klawonn]

So that. That was just a thing that didn't make sense in a car that is very quiet, very easy to drive, very smooth, you know, has great tech everywhere. It just seemed really out of character.

[Matt Farah]

For it, I think. I hate to say it because Volvo wagons are like in terms of heritage, like where it's at.

[Zach Klawonn]

Totally.

[Matt Farah]

But like, the XC60 is fucking ways.

[Zach Klawonn]

That's a really nice car.

[Matt Farah]

I know where the XC60 loaded up with the wool interior and the nice suspension. That is the Shit.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

That thing rules. Yeah, I'm so about that. I'd rather have that for within like five grand of this. It's a little. Just was 72.

[Zach Klawonn]

72.

[Matt Farah]

When I specked one out because maybe Hannah wanted one, it was like 75.

[Zach Klawonn]

I'd have to look up the like storage. But this has a huge trunk and I wonder if it's longer than XC60. It is probably not taller. It's a very long vehicle. Yeah. Yeah. It also kind of had old looking. The overhead camera display, like the way it. The way the graphic looked. It had that little rectangle around it and it just seemed old and kind of imprecise for parallel parking.

[Matt Farah]

Speaking of which.

I wanna. I want you to. I'll let you finish. Okay. But we got an email from somebody who works.

In an industry and wants to talk about backup cameras and has sent me a very detailed thing. As we were talking about the Taycan's shitty backup cameras and the Rivian being really good and it's some real inside shit.

[Zach Klawonn]

I would definitely talk about that. You know, the cameras were okay. It was just the overhead camera that looked 10 years old. The resolution wasn't very good.

It seemed like it would be hard to understand where the corners of the car were when parking. And you know, like the GTS that the Taycan. I just drove up here today. The backup camera in that is so wide angle that these women were walking maybe 12ft behind the car and they looked like they were about 50ft away.

And then a thing that will definitely annoy you and bothered me is the only controls for climate in this car are in the screen. You have to go into the screen for that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's no good.

[Zach Klawonn]

So it's a really nice car and it's super comfortable. Radar cruise was fantastic. The programming of that was good. Oh, but the lane keep assist is super aggressive. You. You have two cruise controls. And I never ever wanted to use the lane assist because the. The strength which. With which it moves the wheel and moves against you and it almost seemed to cheat a little. Right? Yeah. And I didn't like that.

[Matt Farah]

Remember in the EX90 it was the same. The EX90 lane keep assist was like.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, so the. No, that was a problem with this thing. I know you got to just love wagons and it's a great wagon in most of these regards. But like you said, I. You drive this and you go, okay. I understand why SUVs are just so popular because it's easier to get in and out of a little more ground clearance. Especially this, you know, this whole cross country movement. Like this was the gateway into SUV popularity.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

And now that crossover, like the wagon, the lifted wagon was the first crossover.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach Klawonn]

And now everyone makes crossovers. So you go, why do we need a lifted wagon?

[Matt Farah]

No. And you get a clothing. Now crossovers are turning into sports cars with the hatchback and shit.

[Zach Klawonn]

That's true.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It's all just melding back into, you know, and the sports cars are becoming off roaders. Like everyone, you know, everyone wants to do an off road sports car now.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah. So it's fashion goes in cycles for sure.

[Matt Farah]

The sports cars are becoming. The off roaders have become fast SUV road cars and now the sports cars are becoming off roaders. It's like, it's fucking kind of crazy.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah. Well, what'd you say before the show? Like the, the money right now is in film cameras and other film cameras.

[Matt Farah]

And record players, dude. Yeah. Oh, wow. But look at these seats. That seat reminds me of like a 1980s Maserati Quattroporte. You know, you picture it having like a big switch panel with like 18 toggles to move all them shits around.

[Zach Klawonn]

There's so many, man, they were nice. Yeah, that's really nice.

[Matt Farah]

But that seat, when you get the wool into your wool is the way. Fucking epic.

[Zach Klawonn]

That's the best seat in the game, I agree.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah, that's nice. Clear screen though.

[Zach Klawonn]

Super clear screen. Everything was really easy to use.

[Matt Farah]

And if I recall, this screen is pretty glare resistant.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, I didn't have, I didn't have problems with that. I mean, the sun right now is like my driving route was mostly east, west, so the sun was coming like from the side, but I never had a problem seeing any of it or using any of it. So that was the Volvo V90 Cross.

[Matt Farah]

Country 90 now right here. So check this out. So, automotive camera systems. This is from a gentleman whose name asked to not be mentioned, but works for a major tech player in the team, in the camera team at a major known tech company. Says please feel free to read below in whole or in part. I was a camera engineer in the automotive industry a few years ago and worked for a supplier that supplied image processors to GM's integrator, Magna Electronics, as well as Hyundai and Honda. We did not supply the camera system for the Corvette PDR, but it was around the same time when GM says they wanted it to work at 1080 instead of 4K for longevity. That's just translating. We didn't want to upgrade our image processor, etc. And increase the build cost and spinning it in that way. I owned a Taycan before and I could say it is the most fucked up backup camera of any car I've ever owned. What Porsche is doing is to place the camera extremely low with an extremely wide angle lens and then they warp and de warp geometrically to get a normal looking image. This is 100% accurate. It's also why anytime you drive the car in the fucking rain, the camera gets super wet. Cause it's just right in peak spray and then when the water dries, it hardens and you actually have to go out there and clean it with glass cleaner all the time. It's so dumb. Back to the. That was my editorial in there. They warp and dewarp geometrically to get a normal image. None of that is quote free and results in an exaggeration of the relationship of objects in space. I don't know why they play the backup camera almost on the ground, but it is the worst backup camera I've ever used geometrically. I don't disagree with this. The backup camera in the Taycan does in fact suck.

From an image quality perspective. Discounting the warping, I'd say it's fine.

I ship some abysmal 1 megapixel backup cameras for Hyundai or Kia that make the Taycan camera look like an imax.

Okay, let's see. Hang on. Automotive sensors are mostly made exclusively for the automotive industry and generally have to pass a variety of extremely rigorous quality standards such as. And goes on to list a bunch of standards. Okay. I personally tested cameras at temperatures as high as 180 degrees Fahrenheit and as low as negative 60 degrees Fahrenheit while performing tests on the image quality effects of these temperature swings. Automotive qualification also includes other factors like fault tolerance, reliability, reboot time and latency. As to your question about why Porsche's system may not be on the same level as Rivian, I will say it's very unlikely that they are behind quote the cameras for the most part are commodity parts and likely Porsche delegated the system design, functionality and part selection to Bosch and didn't think about it again since it's a comparatively non essential system. But lead times are very long.

And so it would not surprise me if the Taycan's backup camera solution was using a camera I worked at on a previous employer back in 2017. Bearing in mind the Taycan, launched in 2020. Rivian, by contrast, is less likely to have farmed this out since they were designing a clean sheet platform in house it's simply a matter of where they wanted to put the money and why certain features should be emphasized. I recall vividly that people were blown away by Tesla's backup camera quality back in 2013. It's just where the priority goes when you have an imaging team focused on eventually doing autonomous driving and driver assist and you tell that team to spec out the backup camera. A whole team of camera minded people aren't going to deliver a crappy backup camera. But for Porsche, they probably just don't put time or money into it or even just reused one from another car. That's my input and best guesses. So pretty thorough explanation from that industry professional on why Porsche's Taycan camera is absolute garbage, even on the brand new one that we're driving right now, the gts, which I don't want to do a full review segment on. But it's crazy that this one outside here is $196,000 and the one sitting in my driveway right now you could buy on, you know, anywhere Auto Tempest fucking for probably 62 grand. 60 grand maybe.

And boy, are they awfully similar.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, looking around, they're very similar. The only time where the suspension really made its presence known to me though, you know, right in front of your office, if you stay in the right lane heading west, there is like five or six undulations in very short. These are like basketball sized little four inch deep troughs and there's like five of them in a row. And in any car I've been in, you go over that and like it moves a lot. This thing stayed flat. It was.

Wow, that really impressed me because over hard edges it doesn't respond to that. It doesn't soak those up.

[Matt Farah]

It doesn't as I think it does about the same as the air suspension does over those edges. But I think the lower and firmer settings of the gts, even with active ride, and.

I think maybe the wheel and tire package also just makes it a firmer everything because it's got the much lower ride height. Cause like mine is taller than quote normal because it's a cross Turismo and this is lower than quote normal because it's a gts. So they're pretty far. Like this is like the lowest one you can get and mine's like the tallest one you can get. So they're not like tuned the same way. But like the air suspension is definitely substantially less precise than the active ride.

[Zach Klawonn]

It was really impressive.

[Matt Farah]

There's a lot of dumb options on Porsches, but active ride Is not one of them. If that is available on a car that you're looking at, which is like all the hybrids and all the EVs actually not all Macan electric. Macan doesn't have it yet, but Taycan Panamera Hybrid have it now. I'm sure Cayenne Hybrid will have it for the next generation.

[Zach Klawonn]

What does that option cost is like 12,000. Seven.

[Matt Farah]

Seven. Yeah. It's worth absolutely worth every penny.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

Especially if you're leasing or you know you're going to sell it. Because I think the maintenance on that system. Who knows.

[Matt Farah]

But I mean it's. It would be. It's going to be covered under. Under all those extended warranties and CPO warranties because with my car I made very clear because my car's air suspension. So I was worried about that too. And they said air suspension is not considered a wear item and is fully. Fully 100% warranty.

[Zach Klawonn]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I imagine active. I mean down. Down the line. Yeah. Third owner, like new shooter coming in.

[Zach Klawonn]

I think you'll have a relationship with your hydraulic hose supply salesman dude who the knows. I think that I bet the pump, like the motor. The hydraulic motor will be very, very expensive.

[Matt Farah]

It's not the. There's one in each wheel.

[Zach Klawonn]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

That's why it's. There's. There's like six hydraulic motors in this thing. Yeah. No, the. The opportunity for problems is enormous. But man.

[Zach Klawonn]

But it does. It does make the case for what you did, which is buying a used Taycan. Because I got in the car this morning, the seat felt the same as yours.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

The interior looks the same except for the carplay button. And you go. Yeah. You can get a whole lot of car on the used market if you're not dry.

[Matt Farah]

If you. If you don't drive anywhere and you just sit in the cars, they're the same. Like, they are not different at all. Same seats, same steering wheel, same leather, same. They. It's the same. Which is great. I mean it just shows you how much value there is in buying one that's a couple years old.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But I will have more to say when we drive it more because it's. There are differences. The suspension is different. This thing has ceramic brakes. It's also got like 250 more horsepower than mine has. So I'm not. You know, we should go drive it fast and see what that's about. It also has more range, this performance battery plus which mine does not have, which is part of the reason it was so cheap. But if you want to ball on a budget, Taycans are still fucking where it's at. Used Taycans are awesome. Even this, you don't need a wagon. Rear wheel drive, long range. That's fucking sweet sauce right there.

[Zach Klawonn]

It's a pretty good car.

[Matt Farah]

Should we go to the people?

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Do you have more? I don't, I don't have more.

[Zach Klawonn]

Not yet. I'll tease.

[Matt Farah]

I only.

[Zach Klawonn]

I had, I had an OEM person. Did you see the new whatever trump declaration of wanting to bring the cost of cars down by a thousand dollars, but they're also going to remove EPA regulation. We'll talk about the next show because someone, someone messaged me from an OEM and they were like, freedom isn't free, folks. And they were like. Because I did some math about it and stuff. So I'm teasing a segment. Basically.

[Matt Farah]

Let's see. Cars will be cheaper, but everyone gets lung cancer.

[Zach Klawonn]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, God. Fucking hellscape. Yeah. The people.

[Zach Klawonn]

We'll go to the people.

[Matt Farah]

We'll go to the people. They provide solace from the hellscape. [e-mail] the Smoking Tire podcast. We love them over there. They're keeping the train rolling through the lulls. And if you've heard there's been some ads the month of December, which is good for your boys over here, but believe you me, we're gonna be leaning on those patrons in a couple of months in the doldrums of February where nobody buys anything.

But yeah, we love you guys over there. You can get the show live, you can get the show early, you can get the show before everybody else. You can get the show ads, you can get extra show, you can get a whole bunch of show related things. Oh man.

Not totally recovered from Texas. Sorry. [e-mail] the smokingtirepodcast, not to mention you can support your favorite car podcast. Assuming that's us, who might judge?

[Zach Klawonn]

Even if it's your not, you can.

[Matt Farah]

Still support if it's your second favorite podcast. I support my top five podcasts with their Patreons. Let's talk about the Duffel Shuffle Retirement Club. Superb. Love it.

What wagon would be the best to show up to Lemons right now? Right now I'm on the hunt for a Ford ltd, but I'm open to all suggestions. No, you don't want the ltd. You want the one. Is there a Fairmont wagon? The Fox body one? I'm pretty sure there's a Fairmont wagon that is a fox body that you, that you Want to roll with that or you want. Whoa. What looks rad. Doesn't Dax have one?

[Zach Klawonn]

That can't be real.

[Matt Farah]

Dax Shepard has a sick one.

Yeah, that's basically it. That's like a. You could do a fox. You can do a fox body swap on the nose.

[Zach Klawonn]

100%.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, you. Dude, there's a lot. Like a Volvo 240, you can put any engine in. A Volvo 7 or 9 series, you can put fucking any engine in. So, like V8 Volvos all the time.

[Zach Klawonn]

Those are rear wheel drive, cheap E46 wagons. You could do one of those. That's a quick race car.

[Matt Farah]

The problem with, like, lemons, like, you actually want a car that's going to be dynamically decent, like you're driving it on a fucking racetrack.

[Zach Klawonn]

That's why I wouldn't want the ltd.

[Matt Farah]

That's what I'm saying. Like, what are you doing with this giant, huge thing? Like, get us. If you want to drive a wagon, like, cool. Get an agile one.

[Zach Klawonn]

Now, it depends on your wrenching ability because someone was running an LTD at Button Willow Lemons, but it was built like, you know, if you're a fabricator and you can build your own, you know, stock car, essentially. Sure. Ltd. But if you're just trying to, like, get into it, I think you should start with something that's of higher quality and more sporting.

[Matt Farah]

Sure. Yeah. Nope, I'm pro wagon. In fact, sometimes the wagons have better weight distribution than the sedans. The E46 wagon, I think has better weight distribution.

Jeep of Theseus. How bad will the depreciation on the Cadillac Celestiq be over the course of the next 10 years? It'll be something to see. It'll be epic. It'll be truly epic.

[Zach Klawonn]

I think the question is, will it outpace things like my box or will it hold on? I mean, it's gonna fall like a brick. But will it be faster than other things or not?

[Matt Farah]

What does a used Rolls Royce Spectre go for? Because that will be.

That will be kind of the benchmark. I don't really know. Have any traded hands.

I have no idea what these things trade hands for. I haven't looked. But these are just like dupont Registry type stuff. Oh, no. Now that's gonna end up in.

[Zach Klawonn]

See if there's anything.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, here we go. Dupont. Well, I'll look at DuPont Registry 2025 Spectrum 400. All right, so that. So a 25 is between 600 and 700, and then a 2024 is 400 with a thousand miles on it. Look at that. 689 to 399 with 1,000 miles. Now options and things can be different from car to car and vary pretty wildly. But like yowza.

[Zach Klawonn]

That's a big delta in one year.

[Matt Farah]

With a thousand miles. Dude, that's so expensive.

[Zach Klawonn]

It's like four bucks a mile. And this, you know, the Rolls Royce badge is worth a lot. It pulls up, people respect it. The Celestiq is such a unique new idea. Also not as pretty from the profile of the back in my opinion that I think fewer people will be drawn to it than a Rolls Royce. So that's not gonna help it.

[Matt Farah]

Wow. Yeah, that's gonna be. That's gonna be a serious depreciation one moving moon units. Love that man. Fuck Mary kill people. Love the fuck Mary kill for a 20 year old maintenance disaster. German luxury sedans. Here we go. 06 Audi S8. That's the Ronin joint. 06 Mercedes S65. 06 BMW 760Li Easy for me.

[Zach Klawonn]

So S8's the V10, right?

[Matt Farah]

S8.

[Zach Klawonn]

S8.

[Matt Farah]

No.

[Zach Klawonn]

That back then or is that 06?

[Matt Farah]

Yes, that's a V10. Sorry, that's not the Ronin one. It's after the rounded one with the V10. Correct.

[Zach Klawonn]

Okay, I'm going to marry the Audi. Only because I think the engine would hold on longer. I would fuck the Mercedes because you can put those straight pipes on it. Sounds like an F1 car. And absolutely kill the 760.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean, same page. And you don't actually have to kill the 760, it'll just commit suicide, right?

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, it'll unalign itself. Some YouTubers, they also look terrible back then.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know if it's a YouTuber, a TikToker or whatever. Came through my fucking doom scrolly feed of a content creator who lost.

Who spent like $70,000 maintaining his, you know, mid aughts BMW 760. It cost him. Like I'm doing the AC Slater. My back is a little fucked right now. But yeah, he spent just all the money keeping these things going. They are, dude, they're fucking. These cars are garbage.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah. And honestly, I think they're very unattractive as well.

[Matt Farah]

If you want an old BMW 7 series, it's the E38 or bus, right? Like who the fuck who wants anything but an E38? Or maybe if you're like, if you're a super, super BMW connoisseur. Like when's the last time, Zach, you saw a fucking 733. I. Do you even.

[Zach Klawonn]

I have to look up what it looks like. It's like, from 1980.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

Oh, this looks like Sharknose.

[Matt Farah]

It's the Sharknose 7 series.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And they came with manuals. Like, if you're like, eventually Zuckerman will roll up in one of those.

[Zach Klawonn]

That's a prettier car.

[Matt Farah]

They are. Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

The E38, that's perfect design.

[Matt Farah]

40 shorty. Game on. Right?

[Zach Klawonn]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Actually, if you were. If someone wanted to, like, get some, like. Niels Van is it. How do you pronounce his name? The coach builder guy. Niels Van Royan, the guy who built Dario's. That Rolls Royce wagon. And he does. He's done some pretty wild coach builders.

[Zach Klawonn]

Oh, I just saw a picture. Dario just put one up of the wagon.

[Matt Farah]

Right, The Rolls Wagon. Yeah. It's sick.

[Zach Klawonn]

That's insane. Ski vehicle.

[Matt Farah]

But imagine doing one of these as a wagon. You could. You could. You could basically graft the. The wagon thing from the five series kind of on. Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

Could work.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

I do think the back of these looks really good too. This is just a beautiful car.

[Matt Farah]

It does. But I think it would look. I think it could work as a wagon. Yeah. These are rad. These are. Those are. These are kind of a guilty pleasure.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I think they cost. I think they're horrific. To keep going.

[Zach Klawonn]

It's like the 850 of the same time. Right. Like, didn't Spinelli and then bought one for Motor One, I think, as a project, and he went, oh, my God. Chasing. They had like, an electrical draw, and it cost thousands of dollars to figure out just where it was coming from.

[Matt Farah]

And the problem is with old luxury cars is they don't. They could be beautiful. They could be interesting. They don't. They never drive. They're never interesting to drive. Like, you know, over a period of time, you go, okay, you know, kind of. Kind of done that. It's not like when a car gives you the fizz, it's like, it's interesting.

And these cars, all old cars, like luxury cars. Luxury cars have to sort of be on the cutting edge to be, like, good. When they get old, they're not that.

[Zach Klawonn]

Interesting anymore because even a lot of them now you can get the same luxury, similar fit, comfort in, like, a middle level, whatever.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

Like a new ish car can be just as comfortable. I think your Bentley was different because it had more of the unique fizz. Because it was like a strange experiment.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

But. But I've sat in Seats far more comfortable than that car because they didn't know what, you know, bullshit and lumbar was.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, that car was. That car was a unique experience. I think it was. It was a year worth of interesting, for sure.

But that's a pretty extreme example of, you know, you gotta like, if it was a 1991 Mercedes S Class, it would have been interesting for like two days. You know what I mean?

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's because it was mildly ridiculous with the carpets and the fucking and wood and all that shit. Will my homeowner's policy pay for a new roof? Says about to be 40 and I want to get a grand Seiko to celebrate. I know I should try them on in person before deciding, but do you have opinions on which dial designs are your favorite? Is it worth buying in Japan from a flagship store? You may be able to avoid some tariffs by buying in Japan.

[Zach Klawonn]

Make sure that you can go into the store because I learned in South Korea it's very difficult to do that.

[Matt Farah]

But it's. People go to Japan to buy watches all the time. Yeah.

Don't hold me to it, but you could probably call and ask. But people going to Japan and buying watches is a thing and it would be fun if you're in Japan or I wouldn't make the trip if all you want is a watch. But it's a fun thing to do. I like their bolder designs. I like bright colors. I like crazy textures. So I have a three grand Seikos, but the urban bamboo. I usually just say bamboo because urban sounds a little weird. But it does look like bambooish, like reed glass, which is beautiful. And the Lake Sua, which looks like water. They have a diver that looks like deep water, like dark water. That looks crazy.

But I mean. And I really like the snowflake, the one that looks like fallen snow. I just don't like titanium watches. That's why I don't have one of them because they don't make that one in steel.

But yeah, they have special like limited edition stuff they do in Japan. And, and, and also while you're over there, there's like so much cool vintage shit to buy. But yeah, I like the, I like the color, the dial that you can see from across the street. That's not for everybody, but more Fuck, marry, kill from Rage against the Mach E. Porsche 356 Jaguar E type C2 Corvette. This is fucking cakewalk. You marry the 356. You fuck the E Type, you kill the Corvette. Wow.

[Zach Klawonn]

I would marry the C2 I would fuck the 356. I've never driven one and I've driven an E type, so I could do without it. That's what I would do. Because every time you start the C2, it's gonna sound good.

[Matt Farah]

Midship Runabout 2 seater, longtime listener, first time commenter. What are your thoughts on cold starting old cars, moving them around quickly and turning them off immediately? Is that bad for the engine? Is it better to idle? Idle for a few minutes? Should I drive it? If possible? Good thoughts. And if you read my how to park a car manual for Westside Collector car storage, I have a procedure for this, as one says. And we never allow a car to be run for less than 60 seconds ever.

And only that short, ever, if it's been run very recently. And. Or is a brand new car, which we have tons of basically brand new cars here also, as well as old cars.

For an old car, we run it for 60 seconds before doing it. Anything before moving it anywhere. Because you just want. It doesn't need to be up to temperature to move it around a parking lot, but you definitely want the fluids to fully cycle through the engine before doing anything else.

And ideally I let the cars run up to temperature before shutting them off, but like, you don't really have to do that if it's. If it gets to its relaxed idle, you move it around, you run it for a couple minutes, you turn it off. I wouldn't run an old car for 10 seconds, but you don't need to run it for 25 minutes or drive it halfway around the town just because you needed to move it across your warehouse.

Two guys in the back of a Lexus Texas. What's a Lexus Texas? I think it would be funnier if it was two guys in the back of a Texas Lexus.

That's not a copy.

[Zach Klawonn]

Alexis Texas is an American porn actress.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, in the back of. Oh, okay, cool.

[Zach Klawonn]

Spelled. Yeah. So these guys wrote a space Lexus. Space Texas.

[Matt Farah]

Got it.

[Zach Klawonn]

Two guys in the back of Alexis Texas. Also probably a movie out there, so.

[Matt Farah]

We don't need to Google that. Let's see.

[Zach Klawonn]

I have the DVD at home.

[Matt Farah]

Kamisa said on a recent carmudgeon podcast that China is implementing a new regulation so that no car, gas or electric, can accelerate to zero to 60 in under five seconds in its default drive mode. I think this is good thoughts. I mean.

I have to be honest.

I don't necessarily mind that we already have regulations that make you go into a default, the most environmentally friendly mode anyway. In this country.

And.

There aren't a lot of times in my life that I actually need to accelerate 0 to 60 in under 5 seconds. So if I'm required to flick a car into sport mode in order to unlock the amount of power. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's terrible, actually. I mean, especially because horsepower is so cheap and so computer controlled anyway. It's easy to say in China no car, gas or electric, because their shift to electric is going to be so rapid that they're going to have no gas cars, like pretty soon, or minimal gas cars pretty soon.

But, like.

I'm not actually that opposed to that. I think most people don't really need to do 0 to 60 in 3 or 2 or 1 second.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, I think it doesn't really. It doesn't affect the user experience very much. Like you said, it seems.

Performative in a way in terms of safety. Like, if most people aren't doing rocketing 0 to 60 or in this case they're trying to target on ramp speeds much anyway, then like, all right, yeah, put it along with the other performance parameters, like behind a sport button or something like that. This is from inside EVs says the proposal is part of a larger safety framework that would detect pedal misapplication, limit torque spikes, and cut power if a car suddenly changes speed too quickly.

[Matt Farah]

So I just had that thought, which is this isn't something to keep people from going fast who want to go fast. It seems like it could curb some, or at least curb to some degree unintended acceleration from, you know, people that are older or whatever or can not good drive. I mean, it's one of those things where like, like the kind of people that don't even know their car has a sport mode or some other mode, you know, the pedal slips and the car just goes ahead so fast because it's so. You know what I mean?

[Zach Klawonn]

Apparently there's been some accidents of like someone drove through the front of a building. They think it'll help with, like, crowded parking lots. Yeah, I think 0 to 60 in 5 seconds is still quick. So if you misapply the pedal now, it's not as quick as 1.2. Yeah, you still have to be very aware of it, but like, you know, you'll cross some space very quickly.

[Matt Farah]

But sure, it's probably something that would reduce accidents and injuries across the entire population at the mild inconvenience of car enthusiasts, you know, and not just car enthusiasts. But like, even if you have a really fast car, like 0 to 60 in 5 seconds is a full bore fucking clutch dump launch in a Lamborghini Countach or you know like a Ferrari Testarossa. Zero to 60, like Car magazine smoking fucking tire power. Like that's driving a 25 year old car, 30 year old car. Like as hard as you possibly can on a launch. Like that's going pretty good.

Most people would probably readily admit that they don't do under five second runs to 60 in their normal life anyway.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, I think you make a good point. So if they do it accidentally while parking a car, that's what I'm saying, then holy crap. Sure, turn it down.

[Matt Farah]

Whatever Borat's carrypiece says, I'm picking up a lot of business travel in the next year. What airports, when you travel through them, make you go, wow, these folks really know what they're doing. What are some good airports?

[Zach Klawonn]

I think S. Well, Denver now has a whole new TSA section that's much faster. And I think San Francisco Airport also when I got there, it reminded me of.

Europe like, well, France a little bit with like they have a new TSA thing, has like 20 different, you know, X rays and stuff. And it was just very quick. The trays returned themselves. Like that's.

[Matt Farah]

That was finally modernizing.

[Zach Klawonn]

Exactly. That was very effective.

[Matt Farah]

I think. What airports, it depends on like, like where you're going. Like we end up going to Europe a lot, not Asia so much. But like the airports in the Middle east are like awesome. Like those are the dopest fucking airports. Like, like in Dubai and shit. Those airports are awesome. If I'm, if I'm connecting in Europe, I like to go through Amsterdam. That seems to work better for me and my Delta thing.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, I'd rather do that than Charles de Gaulle.

[Matt Farah]

Charles de Gaulle sucks, unfortunately, because the shopping there is very good, but everything else about it is really terrible.

Munich, not bad actually.

[Zach Klawonn]

You always have to take the bus right out to the plane. There's just some things that seem to add. Maybe they don't, but they feel like they add travel time for my connection.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, I gotta know where you're going.

Let's see a second. Jay Z has hit the supra thoughts on the Toyota's GR GT. Will they be able to move them at 200k? I mean, I think it looks cool.

[Zach Klawonn]

I think it does too.

[Matt Farah]

I think it looks cool. I think depending on how it sounds, which we haven't heard yet, they put a clip out.

[Zach Klawonn]

It sounds like standard V8.

[Matt Farah]

It sounds like an AMG V8 or.

[Zach Klawonn]

Like it sounds more like an AMG. It doesn't sound bigger than that. I'll say like LS. And it certainly doesn't sound, you know, like S65.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But it all. But it's not like a flat plane. EV8 then.

[Zach Klawonn]

I don't think so.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. I mean it. I think it looks nice. I think the styling is good from what I've seen. I really look forward to driving it. It's going to be pretty fun. I hope it's not super duper heavy, even though it probably will be. And I hope it's not so stiff that it doesn't make a very good road car.

[Zach Klawonn]

Here, you want to hear.

[Matt Farah]

Want to hear what? It sounds like.

It'S pure violence. Is it really? It's pure violence. Let's see.

It sounds pretty meaty.

Yeah. Okay. Revving it. I think that has.

Yeah, I think that has an amgish sound. Right.

[Zach Klawonn]

It sounds like in between AMG GT and flat plane.

[Matt Farah]

But.

[Zach Klawonn]

But from everything I'm googling quickly is not a flat plane. Crank engine.

It sounds pretty cool. Dry sump. Yeah, dry sump. I'm curious what it's like when you're sitting in it. Cause the hood does look 80ft long and the canopy looks really low.

Visibility might be.

[Matt Farah]

It's got the super flat hood and you can't see any of it.

[Zach Klawonn]

Right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

I hope it's not like that. But pictures make it look like it might be.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

But I think for 200 grand, I think they'll sell them.

[Matt Farah]

I think they will too.

[Zach Klawonn]

I think dynamically GR and Twitter kicking ass. And that price is pretty approachable for, you know, a lot of markets now. So.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, Vision 2002 says how do I scratch the automotive itch when I feel too guilty spending money on anything but the necessities? Like what are some cheap, free ways to satisfy my automotive parts modification addictions?

[Zach Klawonn]

Someone in the comments suggested RC cars, which can be really fun if you're into that. Especially the drifting ones.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but they're not cheap.

[Zach Klawonn]

Is air quotes. Because when I did it with Corey once and he's like, yeah, you can get started in this for like 600 bucks. And I was like, that's already too much for an RC car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

So maybe find a huge compared to.

[Matt Farah]

Full size car, but not cheap compared to free slot cars and shit too. I used to fuck with slot cars when I was a kid. That's some nerdy ass shit right there. But it is kind of fun.

[Zach Klawonn]

You could do a decent amount of karting Sim, racing sim is probably the. That's the best value for dollar.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

Once you buy the stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

Every, you know, just amortizing every time you run it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you can, you can get in pretty basic for not a huge amount of money. And it's just that one time purchase and you can do it all the time. I mean, and even so like you could fucking fuck with Forza on a controller. I mean assuming you have a fucking Xbox or a PlayStation or something, like you can play car video games like that. But Larry Casilla's power wash car detailing video game, like you can fucking, you can restore a car. I mean like you could find a shitty car and like restore it yourself or fix it up yourself, like just using, you know, whatever.

[Zach Klawonn]

I mean you might actually make money on that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I'm not sure what kind of budget we're talking about here, but you could do those Lego like LEGO builds. I don't know if that's not really cars, but.

There'S a story in road and track this month actually about this girl, high school girl that just started rebuilding carburetors and like got one, learned how to rebuild it and then like within a very short period of time people were asking her to rebuild their carburetors. And now. Yeah, that's rad car. It's called Riley's Rebuilds.

[Zach Klawonn]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

And it's like a girl and her family fucking rebuilding carburetors.

[Zach Klawonn]

There's not. We need more people doing that.

[Matt Farah]

So check out their website. You got a carburetor that needs rebuild? Go to fucking Riley's. Riley's reboot.

[Zach Klawonn]

You do the Cobra.

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah. So now they're doing like a whole bunch of carburetors. So like maybe just like figure out how to like there's a guy that like the starter, the starter motor and alternator guy in LA who makes an entire living just fixing and you know, replacing and restoring starter motors and alternators. It's his whole shit and like just you could do that. You might actually make some of them.

Fast. Back to the future pretty good. Best Northeast Daily driver Fun in the snow at 10,000, 30,000 and 100,000.

[Zach Klawonn]

100K. I'll jump to F type R when it was all wheel drive. Once it went all wheel drive, throw some, throw some winter tires on that and just have a NOISY Good time.

[Matt Farah]

100K. I'm going to say a 997 GTS rear wheel drive manual on, on snow tires. Perfect.

[Zach Klawonn]

Better investment for sure.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, it's 30K. Subaru RSTI.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

10K E30 on snow tires.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah. Maybe wagon so you can like throw some stuff in the back.

[Matt Farah]

But yeah, keel and toe. There you go. What would you like to see from a Mr. 2 or Celica Revival? Those are two different cars. I mean Mr. 2, you know, it would not be hard for Toyota to make a mid engine. Well, I don't say that using the GR Corolla's powertrain essentially flipped 180 degrees. You could have an all wheel drive, mid engined, you know, kind of something.

[Zach Klawonn]

The size of a GR6.

[Matt Farah]

You could do the Mr.4 and it could be an off road sports car.

[Zach Klawonn]

Mr.3 because it's a three cylinder now.

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

With the GR Corolla's powertrain.

[Matt Farah]

That's what I said. That's what I'm saying.

[Zach Klawonn]

No, you said that. But the name could be GR3. Sorry, Mr. 3.

[Matt Farah]

That would be sweet. Then that'll cover your Celica all track and your Mr. Two.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

In one. Get on it. Gr. Let's fucking go. Watching my car get raced at Kukwala.

[Zach Klawonn]

I love that name.

[Matt Farah]

That's pretty sweet. So good. Oh, at what?

[Zach Klawonn]

Oh, success.

[Matt Farah]

At what point would the Cadillac Celestique start to become a sales success? Given the brand's reputation, I. I can't say that it's a failure yet. I have no idea how many of those they've actually sold.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Also car companies make that many.

[Zach Klawonn]

They might sell them at a loss but see it as a success. Like Bugatti Veyrons. So what number do they need to sell it at to make money? That's one marker of a success. Or is it just. I'd say if there was ever any kind of wait list, that would be a pretty strong indicator for them that they did it right.

[Matt Farah]

Christy Yamaguchi main is an S2000 really a $30,000 driving experience? I'm seeing 150,000 mile examples going for 25 to 28 and I can't see it being that compelling compared to cheaper Boxsters and Caymans.

I think they're cheaper to run. And so that's at that price point the cost of running the car comes into play. And so people might be More comfortable spending 28,000 on an S2000.

Than spending more that much on a Boxster, knowing what the running costs are of that. And there's never been a follow up to the S2000 that's artificially propped their value. If they kept making it, they wouldn't be worth that. But it's like there's just that one. And so there's enough people out there that want them, that want a Miata that isn't a Miata that.

Props them up and they're known for being dependable cars.

150,000 miles for 28k. I would not spend that though.

[Zach Klawonn]

That's a lot. I don't know. The only one I ever drove was like a full time attack car. So I don't really have a frame of reference for a normal one.

[Matt Farah]

Is that real? Let's look on cars and bids right now. What are they actually selling for? For selling your cars and bids. I don't want to say. I don't believe that that could be totally accurate. But.

But let's see. This is. Yeah, Honda S2000. And let's see results. Bid to. Sold for 23. So this one here, look. This one, 2000. This is from two weeks ago. 2002 S2001 owner, 49K, six speed manual, California stock. Sold for 30. That sounds good.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That's a 50,000 mile, not 150,000 mile. Let's look to the one to the right of it. That sold for 13,200. What does $13,000 get you in S2000?

[Zach Klawonn]

Black on red.

[Matt Farah]

That's a 200K black on red.

200,000. So all right, so there's your range, right? 200,000 miles is 13,000 and 50,000 miles. 49,000 miles is.

What I say there. 30 was 30,000 bucks for 49,000 miles. Stock.

[Zach Klawonn]

A lot of car. Our friend Chris Rosales, he's had one, he's owned a bunch of sports cars and drives. He's very critical and a very good driver. And he put up a post last week that said, I finally understand why I love this car. And he has a yellow cr. So I think if you fit. Because that's a big thing with these, right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, well, yeah, because the steering wheel doesn't move right. So your knees get all, are all fucking weird.

[Zach Klawonn]

I think it's a unique experience. They look amazing and they're reliable. So like that's why they probably command a decent price. But man, 13 grand for one, that's a lot of, that's a fun car.

[Matt Farah]

In the case of, of this question.

I don't know if you're seeing those kinds of examples. I think, I think this may be a case of asking ain't getting. He may be seeing cars listed for that, sure. But the transaction price, if you're willing to spend 25,000 or 28,000, you're getting a 60,000 mile car, not 160,000 mile car. Which is a different proposition.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

You know what I mean? You're getting a car that's gonna last a really long time and it's probably been really well taken care of. Chunehound. When is Kamisa gonna learn his lesson? Re flirting with Tesla and praising them.

[Zach Klawonn]

He praised the new FSD on Twitter and then he got retweeted by one Elon.

But.

I don't think he was doing that. I think Kamisa usually. Well, he's very discerning most of the time.

[Matt Farah]

So why is he using Twitter? That's more of a problem with me that he's actually like, he's still using.

[Zach Klawonn]

I don't know, you'll have to ask him.

[Matt Farah]

But yeah, like I wouldn't. What do you use Twitter for except to get Elon Musk's attention? The only thing it's for.

[Zach Klawonn]

Maybe he still has a lot of followers there. I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I would throw them away. I threw away 50,000 followers like fucking nothing on Twitter. It was great. And then deleted all my.

[Zach Klawonn]

In his tweet, he praised the new fsd. He said it took us from this place all the way to our destination with no problems, no strange moves it made lane changes, et cetera, et cetera. So that was his post.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

I believe that it can do those things sometimes.

[Zach Klawonn]

Well, I think, Choonha, the difference between this and like the cybertruck thing is the cybertruck. He was like, this is an amazing new version of trucks and. And it supposedly can do these things which weren't tested. But the FSD thing, he had this experience. He's reporting his experience.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

I don't think he's saying this is the solution to all vehicles, which is like how FSD is always presented by its leader.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, man, what's with the fuck do we request? Fuck, marry, kill.

[Zach Klawonn]

No, I think people like it.

[Matt Farah]

Carl's Matzo Ball soup. Fuck, marry, kill. 90 homologation specials. CLK GTR 911 GT1 and McLaren F1.1 GT. I mean, obviously you marry the McLaren.

[Zach Klawonn]

There you go.

[Matt Farah]

I would the 911 GT1 and the CLK GTR would kill me. Would backflip into a tree.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, hang on a minute.

Sweden Low has a watch question and he has a healthy budget. This is a. This is Sweden Loza Zarico Suave torn between a Vacheron Constantin overseas with the blue dial and the now discontinued one with the white dial or considering a Milgauss Rolex of some kind. Mainly to wear to the office where the attire is business cash. It's a milestone birthday purchase. Can you think of a reason the 4520 is worth the extra 10k over the other two? Yes, I probably can. Vacheron is considered a higher echelon of watchmaking than Rolex. It's Vacheron. Patek and AP are really up at the top and so the overseas isn't really considered to be in the same level as a steel Rolex. It's a step up from that.

Now, whether you personally believe that or not is up to you. But they make far fewer of them. Vacheron probably makes as many watches in in a year as Rolex makes in a week. Probably.

[Zach Klawonn]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

And if you like how it looks.

They are relatively stable price wise.

Milgauss's are great. It's a classy watch. It's sort of if you know, you know, it's got that lightning bolt second hand that everybody loves for your office. The anti magnetism won't mean anything.

[Zach Klawonn]

The color's nice, they come in a.

[Matt Farah]

Few different colors.

And again, it's incredibly well made. But why is one 10,000 more than the other? It's basically because it's not just because of the brand Vacheron.

It's a smaller production, it's a higher level of watchmaking.

Some of it is the brand.

And it's just. It's a more baller piece, to be honest with you. It's a more baller piece and it's a little more if you know, you know. But definitely some folks in the office, if they see you, if they know watches and they see you in a Vacheron, they know you're gonna be fucking or you're on it. My favorite Vacheron overseas wearer is chef Eric Ripert of the Chef from New York who's very good friends with Anthony Bourdain. He's in a lot of episodes of Parts Unknown. He rocks a blue Vacheron.

Quadrifoly. O face are you leaving Taycan GTS sounds on no, I turned off the sounds. Ain't nothing but a G wagon with Montana plates.

[Zach Klawonn]

I love it.

[Matt Farah]

That's a Weird Al Yankovic song.

[Zach Klawonn]

That would be. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

What's the best engine swap you've seen within the same car family?

So I've seen. I like when they put the Nissan Patrol engines in the Skylines. That's fun.

[Zach Klawonn]

Full drag car.

[Matt Farah]

The top secret Supra that had the century V12 and twin turbos.

[Zach Klawonn]

Oh yeah, that was the century engine, right?

[Matt Farah]

20Th century V12.

[Zach Klawonn]

That's pretty weird. Turbos, because the engine comes from this thing that it's like to carry your grandfather to the office and then you put in the Supra and then do 200 miles an hour in a tunnel.

[Matt Farah]

Right?

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, that's pretty good. This person, their friend, put a 1JZ into a 4Runner. That's pretty cool.

[Matt Farah]

The dude who put the Ferrari, they took a Ferrari 360 engine but made it like they. I forget how they set it up, but it's basically a Ferrari 360 block in a Dino. Oh, that's rad.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, it sounds amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Chris from Colorado. Most overrated enthusiast car that everyone pretends to love but secretly isn't that great to drive. I doubt it's secretly.

[Zach Klawonn]

I mean, yeah, people are pretty outspoken. What is the most torque steer that you've driven? Oh, you know what? Mazdaspeed3.

[Matt Farah]

Mazdaspeed3.

[Zach Klawonn]

That car was like fun at the time because we were new to like I was new to this game and I went, it's fast but like, like not great. Not great. So much torque steer.

[Matt Farah]

Early wrxs just like non sti like earlier like regular ass wrxs kind of meh.

[Zach Klawonn]

They're softly sprung.

[Matt Farah]

Really? Yeah, they're rubber. They're pretty rubbery.

[Zach Klawonn]

That's true.

[Matt Farah]

Most 1990s Audis, they look cool. Some of them go quick in a straight line. They're all fucking pigs.

[Zach Klawonn]

They understeer terribly.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

You know, I think like the new G80 M3 in the right environment, it's great to drive. In any other environment it is too stiff, super heavy and not that great.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

Metallica's in your oil pan. With how expensive cars are these days, do you think a company like Ford or Chevy will make a stripped down, no frills version of their top performing cars for the budget friendly.

Or for them to be used as competitive race drift builds. I think Ford wants to sell you a factory race car, not have you build your own. Ford offers that the dark horse R which is a turnkey.

I think Ford knows that most budget racers aren't buying a brand new car to turn into a race car. Most budget racers are buying an old shitty car and turning it into a race car.

[Zach Klawonn]

Well, there's no way Ford could sell you a 2020, let's call it race spec Mustang GT and it's cheaper than you going and buying a 2024 GT and stripping it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean they might make a fucking you Know the Cobra jet, you know the stripped out drag car or something like that. And they certainly sell.

Many companies will sell you a factory race car if that's what you want. But the problem is like I don't. Americans like like don't like stripped out cars like workers, you know, work trucks and shit. But like.

Is that what people want? Like a Suburban that has like crank windows and stuff? Is that actually what somebody who can't afford a Suburban like LT or whatever wants? Like a more a stripper version? Or does that person, is that person really just gonna get like an equinox with all the things in it?

[Zach Klawonn]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Isn't that kind of how it works? Or a used Suburban?

[Zach Klawonn]

I think there's also all these car companies, the profit is in the options. Cause the base car costs them X. So the more stuff they put in there, the more profit is probably in it. So for them to pull stuff out, they're making less money. And then like you said, how low would the take rate be? It's a very small market.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

Some more.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

Picking up a BMW at 230i in the next few months. Should I plan on getting rid of it before the factory warranty runs out or are used BMWs problems not as bad as everyone makes them seem. I mean first off, if you're buying a used BMW that's still under factory warranty, you should consider an extended warranty because they probably have a pretty good CPO extended warranty program that you can get. If the car is still under factory warranty, you could extend it for some amount of money. The 230i is a lovely little car. It's got handles nice.

[Zach Klawonn]

Yeah, it does.

[Matt Farah]

Cool little car. And based on how I just treated a BMW 2 Series for three days, I would not be concerned with the dependability of that vehicle. I can't believe the shit we kicked out of this car for fucking three days. Aces.

[Zach Klawonn]

Well, didn't you say they've been running it for a while and they just change the fluids and they just change pads and it just keeps going?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Which is crazy. So I would also refer. It really makes you think about how hard you can drive your own cars. Honestly.

I don't know. I mean you look at the forums, you look at Consumer Reports, you look at stuff like that. I don't follow the reliability of every single model of car.

But yeah, if you're super concerned, I mean, Eric, dude, Eric here just bought a G wagon, he used one and he said they offered him the super extended warranty and they offered him the super, the prepaid maintenance. It was a thousand a year for five years for the maintenance. And it covers anything that comes up that they might in conjunction with the warranty. The total thing. This is like a 2 year old G wagon with only a couple thousand miles on it. G63 and it was like 16 grand for five years of warranty and maintenance. I was like ask if it covers brakes. You're 100%. You gotta go in. If it doesn't, maybe could go either way because brakes are like $14,000 on that five. But 1,000 bucks a year for five years for all maintenance in a G wagon I would take. That is a great deal.

[Zach Klawonn]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

It actually is.

[Zach Klawonn]

A really peace of mind is worth it.

[Matt Farah]

Really good deal. Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

I just bought a sensor that cost $1,000.

[Matt Farah]

100% garbage. After years of saving and test driving several different cars, I recently bought a lotus evora 400 with 8500 miles for my 40th birthday. Congratulations. That's awesome. That's a great car. Suggestions on mods to consider first? No. Why do you need mods?

[Zach Klawonn]

Just drive it. Just drive it. You just got it. Drive it for like a year.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. You don't need to do anything and.

[Zach Klawonn]

Just like just get to know it. Six months maybe.

[Matt Farah]

I mean the only thing maybe I would consider is an exhaust system that doesn't have that valve in it. You know what I mean? Because it has a very distinct on off when you cross a certain rpm. The only thing I would do to that car is change it. So that's just one consistent sound. Other than that, just go have fun. Just hammer on that car. Just, just hammer, hammer, hammer. Drive it. It's a tough car. Enjoy it. I saw a Pearl Jam sticker on a cyber truck and a little voice inside said what the fuck.

[Zach Klawonn]

I think it's based on 50 cents. I took quarter water, quarter water, sold it in bottles for two bucks. Coca Cola came and bought it for billions. What the fuck? I think that's.

[Matt Farah]

Two things which came up on recent shows. The weight of the 911 Turbo and the question of substituting an 18 way seat for a 14 way seat. How much do you think the increase in weight of modern cars is caused by consumers wanting more features and how much? By regulation.

It'S probably. It could be equal parts. I mean.

[Zach Klawonn]

I don't know, like I don't know what, you know, adding four airbags to a car and larger structures. How much weight does that add versus you know, two zone climate then four zone Climate, you know, heated and cooled seats. I mean those are all like different motors and different heating elements and all kinds of stuff. That's a great question.

[Matt Farah]

It's, it's, it's both. It's, it's definitely not just one or the other, it's definitely both. And it's definitely.

It'S like a cycle, you know, of weight and features dynamically, you know, you have the weight from the tech and then you have tech to combat the weight and then around.

[Zach Klawonn]

And round and round and then larger wheels and tires to combat the weight.

[Matt Farah]

So you know, as the car gets bigger and heavier. Well, now it's got rear steer so it feels more agile, but that's bigger and heavier. So now it's gotta have stickier tires and better, you know, 22 inch rims, but those are bigger and heavier. It's just like, like it's a circle that just spirals around. Yeah. And.

A lot of times like the regulation doesn't always lead. Like someone invents something and then that something is proven later to save lives and then it is brought in. Right. It's not like the government said you have to put seat belts in cars. Like Volvo invented the three point belt and that. You know what I mean? Like someone invented a thing and then the government decides to put that in a car. Like government didn't mandate ADAs. Like someone invented that shit. And then they went, you know what? This saves lives. It needs to be in the car.

Short berry straw cake watch. Question. I have a fairly small wrist, about 6.5. Would the notice canyon be too big for my wrist? No, I don't think so. So we designed that watch to fit a wide range of. Do you know your wrist size, Zach?

[Zach Klawonn]

Nope.

[Matt Farah]

Fits you. I think it would look, I think it looks just fine. Johnny said he had a six and a half inch wrist, which I didn't think his wrist would be an inch smaller than mine. I have a seven and a half inch wrist. But it fits him. It fits him.

[Zach Klawonn]

He's the last three.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know what that one means. Okay, let's see. Gavin Sullivan says you often talk about how a car drives isn't worth the money it costs. Especially with some high used prices. Do you have a way to quantify that? I've just driven some super cars and they sure make a Porsche Boxster Spyder look like good value. I mean.

There isn't a real way to quantify it. I mean.

First off, if you're at a certain level of income where you can buy A car and it doesn't affect your day to day life, then it's really about the overall cost of ownership, not how much it costs to buy, it's how much does it buy, how much does it cost to own and how much do you get back when you sell it. And what's the difference between those two? And you can only play that game if you have enough money to park it without it affecting your life in any other way. And if you can do that, lucky you, that's great. And if you can't. Now we have to talk about the value of a driving experience right now. That's when. Now I can't just buy the thing I want and hope it doesn't depreciate. Now it's how can I get the most for my money in.

And so.

Predictably, there's cars like Boxsters and Corvettes that are great value for money and Miatas that are a great dynamic value for money. And 86s.

Used a Lotus, Amira's secondhand and Navora's a fucking hell yeah. And Elise's, all that kind of stuff.

But there is no, there is not a way to quantify that.

[Zach Klawonn]

I think the closest I could get is if you made a list of different attributes that sports cars have, like steering feel, steering response, brake pedal feel, engine sound, like the things that you like about a car. And then you tick the box as you go down. Does this car do more of these, you know, have more of these attributes or fewer of them? That's the only. But, but for me, it's such a subjective question based on how much money you have, that when people are like, this isn't worth 50 grand, like, okay, is it? Are there other cars you can get for 50 grand that do these things better? You know, yes or no. But if it seems like a stretch for you, then it'll never be worth 50 grand in terms of a driving experience because it's just too much money.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean, the way to quantify it, if you wanted to find one, is you'd look up like car and driver's instrumented testing and you'd lay that against the cost of the car and you'd go, wow. The Corvette ZR1 literally puts the same numbers down as the McLaren 750. I'm making that up. But they are close for one third of the money. Okay, well that is a way to quantify that with instrumented testing is really the only way to do that. But that's not what you're asking because I'M talking about volume, vibes. And to me, the way that something feels expensive is when you can feel very precise engineering. That's how you get expensive.

Which is where. If you're talking about particularly older Corvettes or Mustangs or muscle cars or whatever, compared to Porsches or Ferraris or whatever, you can feel the difference in engineering by driving. Driving them. One literally feels sloppier and one feels tighter. Danger noodle. And then we're out of here. Says, are you pro or anti dash cams? Do you use them in any or all of your cars? I'm like, pro. The existence of dash cams.

In general. I love seeing a crazy dash cam video, but I'm driving a different car. I'm driving three different cars a day sometimes. And so I. They're. They're to try to carry anything from car to car for me, like, is very difficult. So I don't fuck with a dash cam.

[Zach Klawonn]

I didn't mount one because I just don't want to tear my interior apart to hardwire one.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klawonn]

But I would do it if it was convenient. Like, I might have someone. The guy that wired my speakers. I might have him do a V1 and then go, oh, I have a dash cam from Larry Chen. Like, just throw that in there too. But now I have. Then there's like so much stuff happening on my windshield.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, I don't like cluttering my windshield if I don't have. Have to. But having said that, if I was me, but didn't do this job and I was just driving my car to work every day and spent 90% of the time in my one daily driver car, I would probably have a dash cam. I probably would. I'd probably have a fucking suite of electronics in that motherfucker. You know, Because I'd hardwire a V1. You know, I would do all that shit that I used to do back when I. I had a primary car. I had a fucking CB radios in my shit, dude. I was comms ready. Fucking ready to go. Thank you for joining us today on this show. Thank you to our patrons for their continuous and ongoing support. We love you guys so much. We're gonna have a December pro show for you. Very soon it'll be a drinking show.

[Zach Klawonn]

We got Brian Scotto next week.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, fuck yeah. Tuesday. Just fucking buckle in. Prepare for three hours. Cause Scotto's gonna want to go for some kind of a record.

[Zach Klawonn]

Let's put the coffee maker here.

[Matt Farah]

We got the fucking. We're going to bring the nespresso and the catheters. It's going to be very legit. Thanks, everybody. We'll see you guys later. Bye.