Paul and Todd of Everyday Driver!

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast: Paul and Todd of Everyday Driver!

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

Guests: Paul and Todd of Everyday Driver
Hosts: Matt Farah & Zack Klapman

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Episode Overview

In this lively, wide-ranging episode, Matt and Zack welcome back Paul and Todd from Everyday Driver. Together, they dive into the recent growth of Everyday Driver’s activities—including their now-ownership of the track day company Hooked on Driving (HOD), eclectic driving adventures, additions to their personal car fleets, and the evolving landscape of the automotive world. The group swaps stories from events like the LA Auto Show, debates new versus old sports cars, shares road trip philosophies, and answers listener questions about cars, track days, and buying advice.

With sharp humor and seasoned perspective, they touch on everything from car modification culture to the weirdest automotive press launches, all while maintaining their signature candid and insightful banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Everyday Driver’s Expanding Universe

[06:46]

• Paul and Todd update the hosts on running Hooked on Driving (HOD), a national track day company.
• Transitioning from media creators to business owners was “a really cool uptick” but the first year was “hard…you have the crowd, ‘all change is bad.’”

  Todd: “First year was hard. Second year has actually been a really cool uptick.” [07:14]

• Surprising new racetrack “gems” discovered: Hedge Hollow—a “wild private track outside Kansas City” built to ultralux standards with private condos but (hilariously) no public bathrooms.

  Paul: “This owner owns a McLaren Solus and built F1 garages in the middle of a cornfield, but there’s no public bathroom.” [15:19]

2. Favorite Tracks & Press Event Tales

[17:35]

• The Ridge in Washington State lauded as “awesome”—site of previous Lemons races and famous for its “mini Laguna Seca corkscrew” (Matt: “That bit almost looks like a sex toy, it’s a corkscrew.” [18:22]).
• Recalling over-the-top launches: Jaguar hosting journalists with “no expense spared,” including seaplanes and $3,500/night resorts for the F-Type and Range Rover launches.
• Matt expresses nostalgia but questions the value of enormous press budgets versus the declining fortunes of brands like Jaguar.

3. New Car & Concept Car Opinions

[20:22]

• Discussion on the new Jaguar concept’s awkward looks—“part Cybertruck, part 8-bit fever dream.”

  Todd: “Right now, it looks like it belongs in the same world as the Cybertruck...what weird 8-bit thing is going on here?” [22:02]

• Praise for Genesis’ bold recent concepts: “That’s a Korean Maserati MC20!” [25:20]
• Wagon appreciation: “The Genesis G90 shooting brake—why does the US hate wagons? This looks amazing.” [26:13]

4. Fleet Updates and Garage Philosophy

[47:02]

• Paul’s recent swaps:
  • Said goodbye to the family Expedition; picked up a new Toyota Forerunner Offroad (“I like the Everest color, and it’s got bronze wheels—there’s no start/stop, which is weirdly cool.” [47:45]).
  • Acquired a Cayman GT4 manual with buckets—for track work and personal joy:

    Paul: “It’s a parts car—a bunch of GT3 parts stuffed into the Cayman chassis.” [91:07]

• Todd’s garage:
  • Two Cayennes (lifted “RubicCayenne” and a 2017 hybrid), plus a Lotus Emira.
• “Company car math”: Kept a C8 Corvette for 2 years, lost just $2,000 after 11,000 miles: “Not terrible—about $0.75/mile with all the content it produced.” [50:45]

5. Debates: Sports Cars, Power, and Engagement vs. Numbers

[52:24]

• The ever-increasing arms race of power (1,000+ hp cars): Is it meaningful?

  Matt: “I drove a thousand miles in a 918—number of times I could go flat? Maybe 9. These cars are so fast, you can’t use it anywhere.” [53:06]

• Alpine A110 love fest and comparison to Elise and Alfa 4C
  • 4C criticized for only becoming “good” after heavy aftermarket modification; “the GTI problem” (spending so much to fix a car, you might as well buy a better factory car) [55:09].
  • Weight is king: “2400 lbs just works.” [53:34]

6. Track Days & Driving Tour News (Everyday Driver / HOD)

[14:18, 60:13]

• 2026 plans:
  • European tours at Spa, Nürburgring, Spain, and Portugal (Seville, Portimão).
  • Domestic “greatest hits” trips: Utah, Beartooth Pass, Beartooth Pass, and seeking to combine road tours with HOD track days.
• Track day pricing transparency: A premium full day at Laguna Seca is about $550-600, with coaching included for novices.

  Paul: “We try to be premium—the safety’s good, and the car count is low, so the prices are higher, but people appreciate that.” [73:51]

7. EVs, Reliability, and Home Charging

[39:23; 114:17]

• Porsche 918 battery longevity: “It’s aged the best out of the Holy Trinity—the worst thing is the Bluetooth.” [39:39]
• Porsche Taycan as a daily: Matt details his positive ownership except for one HVAC glitch.

  Matt: “It’s been 100% reliable except a weird air conditioning valve, which they fixed. 34,000 miles now and still love it.” [113:14]

• Paul questions the need for wireless charging pads in EVs, especially with “live object detection” to avoid zapping pets:

  Paul: “Apparently it shuts off if your cat walks between the pad and the car, so it doesn’t fry the cat, unfortunately.” [41:43]

8. Listener Q&A Lightning Round

[76:06 onward]

• Many practical and philosophical questions, including:
  • The true cost and value of air-cooled Porsches (“You need to do all the math—longevity protects you if the value holds.” [106:59])
  • Best “incognito” daily drivers for the wealthy: Volvo XC60, BMW M2, loaded Genesis or Taycan Sport Turismo.
  • Picking Porsche as the “one brand for life” for both driving excitement and daily usability [98:38].
  • Manual swaps: Dreaming of what might have been if Alfa Romeo made a manual Giulia Quadrifoglio [115:23].
  • NC Miata vs. Solstice: “Parts, support, and tuning make the NC the right answer, though the Solstice is underappreciated.” [117:19]
  • Tire choices for cold track days: Use summer tires and warm up carefully; “if it’s below freezing, what are you doing at a racetrack?” [109:05]
  • Cleaning off winter salt: Underbody spray at car washes or use oscillating sprinklers [85:05].

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On learning curves & community:

  • Todd: “Year one was hard, but year two—cohesion all around the nation. We’ve got franchisees, and it feels normal.” [07:14]

• Car modification wisdom:

  • Paul: “We have a name for this: The GTI Problem. If you do this, this, and this, you spend $12,000—you could have just bought a better car.” [55:09]

• On ultra-wealthy car culture:

  • Matt: “Call it ‘Dubai-ing’: when you have that kind of worth, you just buy the ‘best version’ of whatever, everywhere.” [08:59]

• Cynical new car assessment:

  • Matt: “Adding a back seat to a car dynamically makes it so much worse. If you don’t need a back seat, don’t buy one.” [86:52]

• Road trip philosophy:

  • Todd: “Doing our road trip films is my favorite thing we do now. When I’m editing it after, I enjoy it 100%.” [79:03]

• Track day economics:

  • Paul: “A track day at Laguna Seca—probably $550, maybe $600, with coaching for novices. Expert class? Actually less.” [73:18]

• Electric cars’ quirks:

  • Paul: “The Cayenne EV will shut off the wireless charger if your cat walks between pad and car—so it won’t fry the cat. Unfortunately.” [41:43]
  • Matt: “Inductive charging? I don’t see the need for something in my house that needs a f**ing force field for me to be around.”* [43:04]

• Memory lane:

  • Matt: “When Jaguar launched the F-Type, there was no expense spared...seaplanes, five-star resorts. Then, brand fortunes went down.” [19:00]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Hooked on Driving expansion & the Hedge Hollow story: [06:46 – 16:10]
• Favorite US tracks & launch event shenanigans: [17:35 – 20:35]
• Jaguar/Genesis/EV Design Commentary: [20:22 – 27:00]
• Everyday Driver’s car fleet changes: [47:02 – 51:04]
• New cars: Too much power? A110 review: [52:24 – 55:20]
• Alpine A110 & the “GTI problem”: [53:34 – 55:18]
• Track day pricing/structure & future tours: [73:03 – 74:13, 60:13 – 63:14]
• Listener Q&A (practical advice, market talk, brand loyalty): [76:06 – close]

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Memorable Moments

• Bathroom Absurdity:
  The ultra-private Hedge Hollow racetrack “has no public bathroom structure—just condos with laundry and a bathroom each” ([15:19]), inspiring both awe and laughs.
• The “dubai-ing” verb is coined:
  When a track or car is “dubaied,” it becomes the most extravagant version thanks to endless resources ([08:59]).
• “GTI problem” and modification culture:
  “When the solution to make a car good is extensive mods, you might as well buy a better car off the shelf.” ([55:09])
• The air-cooled Porsche conundrum:
  Not a $100k driving experience, but “people believe it’ll never go down, so the actual cost is much lower than it seems, or even a profit.” ([106:07])
• Altoids as weed tins:
  Matt: “When you finish the Altoids and then you put your weed in there—it’s a multipurpose. You get a menthat vibe.” ([101:56])
• Road trip planning lesson:
  Matt: “You cannot have people driving that have no idea where they’re going or how long until we get there. You can’t do that.” ([80:38])

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Closing

The episode delivers a whirlwind tour of racing, car buying, garage philosophy, business growing pains, and road trip wisdom—with a uniquely funny, sometimes irreverent, always informed tone. Paul and Todd’s evolving journey with Everyday Driver and Hooked on Driving is as entertaining as any corner exited at full throttle, while Matt and Zack keep the conversation grounded in the delightful madness that is car enthusiasm.

Listen for: Great road trip stories, honest takes on car culture trends, practical ownership advice, and plenty of good-natured ribbing between all.

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Links:

• Everyday Driver
• Hooked on Driving
• The Smoking Tire Patreon
• The Smoking Tire YouTube

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

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[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

That's why I hate gym influencers who are just even like young people are on T and stuff and just shredded and huge. Or 50 year olds who are shredded and huge and they're like, no, I just eat real clean. I get a lot of sleep. Yes, those are important.

[Paul]

However, no, you don't.

[Todd]

However.

[Paul]

Yeah, we all agree it takes a.

[Matt Farah]

Really long time when you do it old school, but yeah, nice to see you guys.

[Todd]

Do you remember Liver King? Remember him?

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Oh, yeah, I'm so glad.

[Todd]

He felt the best and everybody was so shocked when he was on stuff. It's like, really?

[Matt Farah]

Really?

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Some people were shocked.

[Matt Farah]

Some people were like, yeah, exactly right.

[Todd]

That was my feeling. Too.

[Matt Farah]

I was like, why are we surprised?

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

You fallen way off every wagon. You hate to see it.

[Matt Farah]

Dude, the Liver King and the. My Pillow guy need to have a podcast.

[Todd]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Farah]

Can you imagine?

[Todd]

That'd be a fantastic. Yes.

[Matt Farah]

There's a dollop about. Talk about recent dollop about the. My Pillow guy. It's a two parter.

[Todd]

Oh, wow.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, boy.

[Todd]

Oh, my gosh.

[Matt Farah]

That guy.

[Paul]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Todd]

I had. I had a buddy who actually cleaned up his life, got in great shape, and he was just obsessed with the Liver King. And I was like, but the stuff you're doing is great, but I'm just gonna stay out of it. And then he got revealed. I was like.

[Matt Farah]

Close to the sun.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

No, I. I'm very lucky. I have a trainer. Yeah. Shout out to fit. Like Sean on Instagram. My trainer comes to you.

[Todd]

That's great.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, he's. I've helped him a little bit build out like a little van. His van with.

[Paul]

Okay, so you get in the van with Sean.

[Matt Farah]

I have a gym at my house.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

He trains. He'll train you at the park or the beach or wherever he brings.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And. But it's like a real tetrising, you know, of this. Of this Ford Transit van. We're trying to get him to upgrade to a Sprinter eventually, but the Transit is working out pretty well, actually.

[Todd]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. For real. Sean rules you guys are here for. Ostensibly the auto show, but hopefully more fun things than the auto show.

[Todd]

The auto show where we got. Which actually was really cool. Just the people that we got to see and with that stuff because we're not always in la and we get to see you, which is good. We get to see Zach, which is even better because you don't always get to see Zach.

[Paul]

Yeah, exactly.

[Todd]

Cool. We need to do more of the.

[Matt Farah]

Car version of like John Mulaney's Everybody's in la.

[Todd]

There you go.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Show that would.

[Todd]

Where you rocket people through.

[Matt Farah]

Kind of fun.

[Todd]

You do it on some of the press launches, though, which has been.

[Matt Farah]

I. We just. I just did it at the Porsche one. It actually was a good time.

[Todd]

And when we were all. Was it super launch. We were all together, I think.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah. That was forever ago.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did one then, too.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, no. Summit Point.

[Todd]

Some point.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Virginia.

[Todd]

Yeah, Yeah, I remember doing that too.

[Matt Farah]

It's a nice racetrack, but it. God damn if it rains every single time I go there.

[Todd]

Every time. Yeah, for sure.

[Paul]

Good weather. We had good weather.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

A Supra is okay. But I think. I think I was there for Hellcat.

[Todd]

Yeah, for sure. We were on the Shenandoah. The short.

[Paul]

The short.

[Todd]

We were there.

[Matt Farah]

Shenandoah.

[Todd]

Yes, yes, yes. But we were here for that. We're here for a Honda thing, so.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Todd]

Yeah. Good to come in. This is that time of year we come in because starts snowing in Utah and a little harder to do sports cars on tires.

[Matt Farah]

The transitional. Just go back when it's fully snowy and you can start skiing.

[Todd]

There you go.

[Paul]

Shoulder season.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Paul]

April and October. Well, now through November.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

None of the resorts are open, so.

[Matt Farah]

No, it's a perfect time to be here. As we saw for the last five days.

[Todd]

Completely.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Yeah.

[Todd]

Deluge here.

[Matt Farah]

We got a. Lightly hose a little. What's funny is like this last night too is real bad. And it was garbage day. Yes. You know, today is garbage day. Fries garbage day. And I live. Have you guys been to the house? My house?

[Paul]

I don't think so.

[Matt Farah]

Next time come for dinner.

[Paul]

Cool.

[Todd]

Love it.

[Matt Farah]

But we live at the top of a small hill and the tarmac on the hills, it's pretty good. And you know the roads in la, they're crowned.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And so the water, it really gets going. By the time you get to like mid hill, sure.

[Todd]

It's cruising, taking out people's cans.

[Matt Farah]

So if it rains on a Thursday night and the cans are out, bro, I. When it started to rain, I went and checked my cans and I was like, oh, boy. And I moved them like two feet off the curb. Not everybody's so wise. So this morning when I left the house to come down to the office, 30 cans.

[Todd]

Oh my God. You know, the trash guy just does the corner, just goes.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Oh, man. Yeah.

[Paul]

Oh, that sucks, dude.

[Matt Farah]

It was so bad. It must have been just dominoes of garbage. So bad. Did it up your filming?

[Todd]

No, we actually didn't film it. No. Yeah, we didn't film anything. This was the rare trip where we weren't filming. Very, very rare. Curious. It's weird. Yeah. I get to go on with carry ons. It's crazy. Yeah. What is this? It's very strange.

[Matt Farah]

No way into the carousel. Yeah.

[Paul]

I don't know. Yeah, it's been nice.

[Matt Farah]

So what you. But you. You acquired the. The track day business. Yeah.

[Todd]

It'll be two years in February.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's right.

[Paul]

We talked about it last year at this time.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Crazy.

[Todd]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Paul]

Hooked on Driving.

[Todd]

Driving.

[Matt Farah]

Sorry, I should have named it Hooked on Driving.

[Todd]

Excuse me.

[Matt Farah]

It's. It was a fabulous organization. Before you Acquired it.

[Todd]

Appreciate it. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I have not had the pleasure of working with you guys since. Take advantage of my friendly discount.

[Todd]

There you go. There you go. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But has it. Is it been going well?

[Todd]

I mean, let's. Let's be honest. We took over a company. My wife's joke was, does this feel weird? And I said, why? She said, you're a film major. And I was like, yeah, it feels weird because so now we're suddenly running a company, which is very strange. Not prepared for it, but. But excited about it. Year one was hard. Really, really hard. And both things we were learning, things we thought should be changed, and then everybody's in your ear, like, you should do these things. You should not do these things. And then you have the other crowd now changing stuff. Better totally change. And then you have the crowd, which. This is any business, any industry, really. We have the crowd who's also like, well, you can't change stuff. All change is bad. It's like, oh, God. So first year was hard, but second year has actually been a really cool uptick. We've got a great group of franchisees around the nation, which is awesome. So there's just been really good cohesion this. That we didn't feel first year, which I think is normal. I mean, it's our first experience doing something like this, but it feels like pretty normal to go through that struggle. So we're just really excited going into 2026, and we've traveled all over the nation, been to tracks I'd never been to before, which is really cool.

[Matt Farah]

What gems have you discovered?

[Todd]

Hedge Hollow.

[Matt Farah]

Excuse me?

[Todd]

Exactly. Hedge Hollow. Exactly.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Todd]

Really?

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Frodo owns it, right?

[Matt Farah]

He's a man.

[Todd]

Everything's round. It's awesome. Yeah, sure. No, it's a little over an hour, really. It's an hour and a half southeast of Kansas City proper. And this guy, whose actual worth begins with a B, decided to build himself a private racetrack. And he did it right around the time that Cota was being built. So he got all the latest and greatest things, including, like, digital flagging on his personal racetrack.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, just by copying.

[Todd]

Yeah. But it's just like. Well, because when you have that kind of worth and you're building something, somebody says, well, the best version of whatever it is you're doing is this. Right.

[Matt Farah]

So call that Dubai Ing.

[Todd]

So he was. Then he was fully Dubai.

[Matt Farah]

I like that. D u B U Y dubying. Oh, that's.

[Paul]

Or a card has a car has been Dubai. A mansory anything. A car has been Dubai.

[Matt Farah]

Do you D U B A I.

[Paul]

Apostrophe E D. It's wow, two eyes.

[Matt Farah]

But D U, B U, Y.

[Paul]

That's Dubai.

[Matt Farah]

No, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Todd]

Cool. You can find it on Hooked on Driving as well. The Midwest region, you can find it there too.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Their website needs more galleries.

[Matt Farah]

Is there like a Google Earth? Is there.

[Todd]

There is a really cool Google Earth. You can find it that way too. It's actually a really cool overhead view, but. So it's this guy's private track and he had it. And he has a bunch of McLarens, but he and his McLaren buddies. Because there's actually a lot of money in Kansas City now with the Chiefs and all that. So he and his McLaren buddies would drive it, but they drove it so rarely that the track was always dirty and they couldn't get it rubbered in. So somebody finally told him, you need to start getting other people on this track.

[Matt Farah]

So you're like goats. You're like, is it crazy? Yeah.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Be gone. I don't want to see you ever again.

[Todd]

Well, no, he has to keep people on it regularly. And he apparently is actually a really good guy. So our Midwest region is now running in Hedge Hollow. And I mean, look at this thing.

[Matt Farah]

Look at this.

[Todd]

It's a serious track.

[Matt Farah]

What the like F1 garages.

[Todd]

It's amazing.

[Matt Farah]

For the record, it's rated 4.9 stars on Google.

[Todd]

It's. It's a. It's a phenomenal place in the middle.

[Paul]

Actual cornfield clubhouse is top left. So to the northwest there, 20 F1 style garages. So they've got living rooms upstairs, bedrooms, washer and dryer.

[Todd]

It's crazy.

[Paul]

Full digital flagging for the whole track.

[Todd]

It makes no sense.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

It's a no expense as a private track.

[Paul]

It was built as a private track. This owner owns a McLaren Solis.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Did he. But he did.

[Matt Farah]

He built.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

He owns a solace construct all these buildings.

[Todd]

All of this was built originally? Yes. Wow. Because I'll tell you, one of the struggles with this track, and this is a crazy sentence, this is a track with no public bathroom structure.

[Matt Farah]

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[Todd]

This is a track with no public bathroom structure because it was all condos and all the condos has laundry and a bathroom in it. So the concept of having a lot of people there and they just need a bathroom in the corner. Where's the bathroom? There's no such thing. So all of this stuff was built. What's great is it is a great facility. And so Lonnie and Marla run our Midwest region and they've kind of embraced this track. We're actually approached to have hooked on driving at the track. So it's been great.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, full width. That's a 40ft track.

[Todd]

It's unbelievable place. It's really so that you were asking for surprises.

[Matt Farah]

23 corners.

[Paul]

So the straightaway. Yes, you can see the straightaway left hand side of your screen there. That was built. Oh, that's the Runway for exactly the owner to land his jets.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

So it's a pretty long.

[Paul]

It's very long.

[Todd]

It's a very cool track. We have some surprises. That's a good surprise. Yeah, this place rules. It's actually very cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Dude, is this worth me coming to Kansas City to drive this racetrack with you guys?

[Todd]

Possibly. I think it would be.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Todd]

Depending on what you can get there. It's a really.

[Matt Farah]

It's a really, really cool elevation of this place.

[Paul]

A little bit in the center. You can see down in the center. It's just kind of. I mean that's the hollow, the right.

[Todd]

Side yeah, the right side, through the.

[Paul]

Trees down there, it gets it, you know, low, and then you kind of climb back out of it.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah. Left side of the track is pretty flat, but right side's got some.

[Matt Farah]

It's like that. You know what this reminds me of? Iscariot.

[Todd]

Interesting.

[Matt Farah]

This reminds me of that.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Todd]

So it's really cool.

[Matt Farah]

We should rock out to Kansas City for this when you guys out there.

[Todd]

We actually don't have 20, 26 schedules yet, but we'll let you know. All that stuff goes live in the next couple weeks.

[Matt Farah]

Do me a favor, Rent a couple of shitters.

[Todd]

Real quick, will you?

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Lift the mic.

[Matt Farah]

This. Zach, this bolt.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

New bolt.

[Matt Farah]

This bolt is la. I don't know if it's the. If. I hope it's not like stripping out the arm, but this bolt is. You got a torque. I need a torque wrench.

[Paul]

I just gotta pull it.

[Todd]

This is about.

[Matt Farah]

I need about 160 pound feet on this. Yeah. Oh, all right. I'm sure that sounded really good through.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

With those big kef speakers. There you go, dude.

[Todd]

What's happening on the podcast today? Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. But wow. Okay, give me another gem. This is a great bit.

[Todd]

What else you got?

[Paul]

Let's see.

[Todd]

What do we have else? That. That's a surprise, though. I mean, the ridge is great. I don't know if you're familiar with the ridge. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Is it Oregon or Washington? Which side of the border is it?

[Todd]

Yeah, it's Washington. It's. It's the. It's across the water from Seattle. The ridge is awesome. It's actually a really cool track.

[Matt Farah]

I think. I think that we're going there for a road and track experiences event.

[Todd]

Really?

[Matt Farah]

We're doing a Pacific Northwest one this year.

[Paul]

We like the Ridge a lot. That's where we did lemons races for three seasons. We did lemons up there. Really like the track.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Really fun for the track.

[Paul]

Really superb.

[Todd]

The top half of the track is up on a R, actually on the ridgeline. And so the left side, you're going around counterclockwise. The left side is actually the drop back down the hill to get into the flat part that is the front straight. So the top half of that picture you're looking at is all up on a big ridgeline. And even that has a little bit of undulation to it. It's a very cool crowd.

[Matt Farah]

That bit at the bottom left that almost looks like a sex toy is a corkscrew. It's a replica of the corner, upper left corner.

[Todd]

You come down the hill and then all the way around the full carousel.

[Matt Farah]

Mini Laguna, Sega corkscrew crew.

[Todd]

It's pretty cool.

[Matt Farah]

The F type launch there, 2014 maybe.

[Todd]

Maybe.

[Matt Farah]

Really F type R. Okay.

[Paul]

Really?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. The first one. Yeah.

[Todd]

Interesting.

[Matt Farah]

Drove Seattle to. To the track to. To somewhere outside of the track and then got left the cars, got on a seaplane back to Seattle.

[Todd]

Oh, that's cool. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

We didn't one of the Grumman shits.

[Todd]

You know, for sure.

[Matt Farah]

You know.

[Paul]

Really amphibious. Was it?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Paul]

Sea play.

[Todd]

The.

[Paul]

The Goose. The Grumman Goose, right?

[Matt Farah]

Some. Something like. No, no, no, it wasn't Grumman. It wasn't Grumman. I remember because I sat in the. It was a.

[Paul]

Was it something.

[Matt Farah]

It was a de Havilland.

[Paul]

Okay. So it's probably an otter on floats.

[Matt Farah]

It was, I don't know, 20 seats.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, maybe. That thing was pretty cool.

[Paul]

That's really cool.

[Matt Farah]

And then we landed at the. Like our hotel was on the water and they landed us at the dock. I mean it was awesome.

[Paul]

So back when Jaguar had money to.

[Todd]

Spend and really cool and great looking production products.

[Matt Farah]

When they launched the F type, there.

[Todd]

Was no expense spared. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Because that was Jaguar Land Rover.

[Todd]

Did you.

[Matt Farah]

Did either of you go on the. The Range Rover launch in 2013?

[Paul]

No, that was.

[Matt Farah]

They rented Almangiri for a week back.

[Paul]

When they had money.

[Matt Farah]

I went on.

[Paul]

They hadn't been hacked yet.

[Matt Farah]

I went on that.

[Paul]

It was only.

[Matt Farah]

I only was there one night. I didn't. You know, it was multiple waves. They had it.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Because it was like five, six waves, but like wow, dude, that place.

[Paul]

How we do it.

[Matt Farah]

This is 3, 500 a night for a regular room.

[Todd]

Jeez. Yeah, yeah. We were not getting invited to those. No. Yeah, for sure.

[Matt Farah]

That's cool. That's what you want to. When the brand. Well, you. You might be though because there's going to be a new Jag apparently. Sure.

[Todd]

They're going to have to restart again because whatever happened last year. Yeah, exactly.

[Matt Farah]

You know, I. If they turn that concept thing into like an actual car, like. Like it could be a cool looking car. Like is a Morgan Aero Super Sports. Not a cool looking car. Okay.

[Paul]

You know, like for some people.

[Todd]

Yeah. I'm not a huge fan, but I take your point.

[Paul]

For some.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think we can be friends.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

You don't think. You don't think it looks cool? Okay.

[Todd]

Looks cool.

[Paul]

Okay.

[Todd]

Not my favorite, but I, but I see, I see it.

[Matt Farah]

You don't like A little Cruella deville.

[Paul]

In your life sometimes everybody has their guilty pleasure. Car.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

The fans couldn't hear the door lock from the outside.

[Todd]

Have it actually. Next. Oh, that's.

[Matt Farah]

That's why.

[Paul]

Because the ash frame and.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, those are aluminum. These are aluminum. The Arrows are aluminum.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

They are.

[Paul]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

I'll tell you why. Because it's. When you. When you look over those fenders, sure. It has a V8 with side pipes. It goes glove.

[Todd]

Glub, glub, glub, glub. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. And it has a high shoulder, a low windshield, and you. It's. You're. You're driving like a. Like a. Like a train down. It's just. It's pretty.

[Todd]

I can see that.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, you got to admit that that thing.

[Todd]

Think.

[Matt Farah]

Just picture the view from the driver's seat in something like that. That's just going. When you. When you lay into the eye goes. You know, that, that.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah.

[Paul]

With the fenders.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

All right.

[Matt Farah]

Right below your ear. And when you're up against, you know, a guardrail or something. A little. Little K rail.

[Todd]

Sure. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It just bounces right back at you.

[Todd]

The right angle.

[Matt Farah]

All right.

[Todd]

You're selling me. I get it pretty good, dude. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Telling you, it's. I just think you have to, like that you're required.

[Todd]

I didn't. I didn't sign that form. I'm sorry. But I'm wondering about the Jaguar because it just. Right now it looks like it belongs in the same world as the cybertruck. It's just like, what happened and what weird eight bit thing is going on here in the real world? So how do you land that? You know.

[Matt Farah]

You know how, like for 10 years, everyone followed Tesla down the touchscreen rabbit hole? Like if Jaguar, like, accidentally was like the only brand. Follow them down the cyber.

[Paul]

Exactly true.

[Todd]

And now we're trying to correct.

[Matt Farah]

This is better than that, though. I mean, it's. See this angle, it's. This angle hides the bad bits, which are the flat front and the flat back.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Side profile.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

This is.

[Matt Farah]

This is a. This is the Bentley Blue train.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

All right.

[Paul]

Yeah, I could see that. I mean, execution is everything.

[Todd]

Also having the door open is helping this shot. We'll see. I mean, candidly, because otherwise just a big slab and the door is apparently.

[Matt Farah]

Clear on the other side. Yeah, no, the back. The back being the radiator from a Best Western hotel room is not.

[Todd]

We all take inspiration from various places. You know, I mean, who knows? You know, Jaguars money's tight, so they.

[Matt Farah]

You know, I make fun of Grand Seiko all the time. Because they're always like, this is inspired by the winter run Mount Iwate, and this is inspired by the fish in the lake sewer. And I'm just like. This is inspired by like a leaf I found on the hood of my car this morning.

[Todd]

Yes. Like, this is marketed.

[Matt Farah]

This is. This is definitely hotel room, mid tier. I've seen that wheel design before on the Audi Q8. Haven't you seen that wheel, that. That finned wheel design? I think it's.

[Todd]

There's something out there. Similar Q8.

[Matt Farah]

E tron.

[Todd]

You're probably right. It probably is an E Tron product. Now that you mentioned it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It's pronounced Etron.

[Todd]

Probably. Probably. Yes.

[Paul]

See if the car company has to convince us on the website. A work of art.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Yes.

[Todd]

Good call, man. Good call. Well done.

[Matt Farah]

When did I nail that?

[Todd]

You did nail that.

[Paul]

Oh, nice.

[Todd]

Bravo, bravo. Well done. That's very good.

[Matt Farah]

That's straight. Oh, my gosh.

[Todd]

That's pretty amazing. I mean, I hate to beat on the Jaguar drum again, but I just. I. What's going on here? And, you know, I mean, we're a long way from the F type at this point, and I'm very curious to see where it'll go.

[Matt Farah]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna try to hold until I see a real car. Not that I just.

[Todd]

But.

[Matt Farah]

But yeah, that. That motel air conditioner, that's no good. That's really, really bad.

[Todd]

Well, and it's such a. It was such a. A very grand, expensive redesign and the whole world kind of went, what are you doing? You know, I just. I don't know, man.

[Matt Farah]

It's like when Costanza does. Learns to do the opposite.

[Todd]

Yeah. They're literally.

[Matt Farah]

They're like, whatever. Since about 1972, everything you've done just invert that.

[Todd]

Yeah, that.

[Matt Farah]

And this. This is where we are.

[Todd]

This is the result. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Maybe it'll work.

[Todd]

We'll see. What if it works, they're going to have to turn.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

The final result is gorgeous.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Because they soften everything. Then they'll have done what Ford did with the Mach E. They called it a Mustang. The Internet lost everybody fucking mind for a year, but everyone talked about it constantly.

[Todd]

Yes, good point.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Car came out good. Car is good. And everyone stopped caring.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

So, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Yeah.

[Paul]

I don't know. Have my reservations, but, you know, we like.

[Matt Farah]

I agree.

[Paul]

Pushing on immediately.

[Matt Farah]

Promising. Like that.

[Paul]

That is nice magma thing that.

[Matt Farah]

The. The genesis.

[Todd]

Oh, my gosh. That looks amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Like a Korean Maserati MC20.

[Todd]

It does. Yes.

[Paul]

Yes to that.

[Matt Farah]

Decent.

[Todd]

Yeah. Well, this morning the, the G90 like wing back. The G90 wagon thing. Oh, they just released today. That looks crazy cool too.

[Matt Farah]

The Korean Panamera Sports.

[Todd]

Yes, exactly right.

[Paul]

Yes, crazy cool.

[Todd]

But the G90 is good on its own, so wagon version of that. Bring that along.

[Matt Farah]

That is.

[Paul]

There we go. Meaty.

[Matt Farah]

That is, I think way better than 35. Oh, speaking of Genesis G90s.

[Paul]

So I have an update.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Zach from Uncle Phil. Oh, that's amazing. Okay, sorry.

[Todd]

Holy shit.

[Matt Farah]

I haven't seen that.

[Todd]

Isn't that fantastic?

[Matt Farah]

They didn't do this thing. Any service by the. With the dim lighting. Why did they paint this black and then launch it in a dim room?

[Todd]

Yeah, it's wide body. It's a dark green and it needs to be really bright to really pop.

[Paul]

Look at the pipes. Look at the pipes.

[Todd]

It looks. It looks amazing.

[Matt Farah]

What a nice looking automobile.

[Todd]

Probably something that will never come here because we apparently don't like wagons. But we should. That looks amazing.

[Matt Farah]

I'll tell you why they'll sell it here because they want their Rs6. Sure. They want that. To talk about something. They'll sell 12 of them so here. So get this, guys. This is hilarious. Guys, one more break today because support is coming in extra hot from Ruler. Taking care of your mental health shouldn't be harder than taking care of your physical health. But it is. If you pull a muscle, you go see a doctor. When it comes to finding the right therapist, it's so frustrating. There's wait lists or you're staring down huge out of pocket costs. And that's what usually stops people from getting the help they need. I go see therapists. A therapist, in fact, it's the same therapist I've been seeing for over 15 years. But if I had to start over today, I wouldn't know where to begin with traditional therapy. I would totally start with Rula. Because Rula makes therapy simple, affordable and fast. They work with most major insurance plans and the average session copay is just 15 bucks. That's basically the cost of lunch. But instead of a sandwich, you're investing in your own headspace. I, every two weeks for the last 15 years, really take advantage of that one hour. And I talk to them about things I would not talk to people about to others about, including my wife. And it helped me put things in perspective. It's helped me think about myself in new ways. It's helped me break down some ego things and it's really, really, really helpful to all kinds of different people, not just people like me. But getting matched to the right person can be really hard. So with Rula, you're not just matched and left to figure it out. They check in and make sure you're actually making progress. All the therapists on the platform are licensed, vetted, and picked for their expertise. So you know you're talking to someone legit, not just whoever happens to be available to get started. You just answer a few quick questions about what matters to you, and Rula connects you with in network providers who actually fit your needs. You pick the time and you could be talking to a therapist as soon as the next day. No weeks of waiting, no endless back and forths. So thousands of guys have already used Rula to finally get the care that they needed. So don't keep putting it off. Go to r u l a.com tire and get started today. That's r u l a.com tire t. Take the first step, get connected and take control of your mental health. And now back to the program. We talked about it a little bit. Last show, my Uncle Phil, my wife's Uncle Phil got a G90, loves it. He's obviously an older gentleman.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And this is the full updated story. The short version was the valet at his building got trapped in the car and kicked out the driver's side, the driver's window to get out. Okay. What? Okay, that was a short version. I got that information before the show yesterday.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

After the show we have the update. Okay, the update is Uncle Phil goes to Florida for the winter and is in Florida. And. And this car does not live on a battery tender they had. He's the. The valets in his New York City building are instructed to start it up and warm it up and drive it around like once a week.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Now that I know, I wish I knew that beforehand because that's probably enough to keep this thing alive. Not enough to keep this thing alive. And it's gonna slowly die, which is over time. Yeah. Now, if you're a professional valet in a parking garage, you should understand that cars with push button have a manual release somewhere.

[Todd]

Yeah. A.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Paul]

Oh my.

[Matt Farah]

This guy, this guy goes to get in the car. It has traditional handles on the outside and a push button on the door. Opens from the outside. Cuz it's not kept locked. Cuz it's like two stories underground.

[Todd]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

He goes to get in it. He closes the door. It locks or it doesn't lock, but it's just not Presses the button. It's non responsive. There's no power. Yeah, he doesn't have his phone on him after like 60 seconds or of non motion or 2 minutes of the lights go dark in the garage.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

In the car.

[Matt Farah]

Because no lights in the car.

[Paul]

The sensor.

[Matt Farah]

Now he's there and it's pitch black.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Apparently this is the overnight guy in the garage. He, he speaks very little English.

[Paul]

Now this story is panic sets in.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It takes about five minutes for full on panic to set in. He kicks the window out. Okay. Now if you work valet, even if you don't speak English, someone should tell you en espanol that there's manual releases. And they are, they're easy to find if you feel around anyway.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

What year is this car New?

[Matt Farah]

So it's gotta be brand new. That's the button.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Yeah. And is this the, is that the latch?

[Matt Farah]

That is the latch.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

That is so close to glory.

[Matt Farah]

So close to glory. That's the latch in the door pocket. It's about 7 inches from the actual button.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Paul]

It's sheer adrenaline kicking the window out. Man, that is.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Overheating, you know, it's just dark.

[Paul]

You are self preservation. From zero to my life's in danger.

[Matt Farah]

So anyway, that's part one of the story. Uncle Phil's cool and he, he, he, they call him, he's in Florida. They go, hey, you know, we did this and we're going to replace the window. He goes, all right, whatever. So Phil then calls the Genesis dealer, his salesman. Sure. And he goes, hey, look, this happened. How could this happen? You know, like what do I tell these guys going forward? And the guy, the salesman has absolutely no idea. The salesman goes, I don't know. That's a funny question. Doesn't say, hey, by the way, there's a hand. No idea.

[Todd]

Required by law for there to be in a secondary, by the way.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Yes, but it's not required by law for the salesman to know anything clearly.

[Todd]

Well, but that's been well established for years.

[Matt Farah]

Ask somebody else at the dealer. Oh, no, no idea. Uncle Phil then goes on YouTube how to open the door of a Genesis G90 with dead battery. And there's a 60 second video.

[Todd]

Of course there is.

[Matt Farah]

And he goes. Then I go on YouTube and there it is. It's just right there.

[Todd]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

And these, he goes, these jamokes. And I don't know if I don't think jamoke is racist, but if it is, I'm sorry, but he goes, these his word. I got these guys, they don't know. I find this on YouTube in 10 seconds. I was like, that's right, Uncle Phil.

[Paul]

He didn't have his phone on him.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, no, no. Not these guys. The dealer.

[Todd]

Oh, the dealer.

[Matt Farah]

No, no. He's not upset about the guy speaking English. He's talking about two employees.

[Todd]

The dealer should have known better for sure. Don't know how to do it. Oh my gosh.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

The term is not racist, but it used to be. Used to be described coffee in the late 19th century. And then it changed over to being an unimpressive person.

[Todd]

Person.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Quite a. That's quite a leap.

[Todd]

That is.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, I'm glad it's not racist. I'm gonna continue using Jamoke. That's gonna be the stand in for all previously racist slurs.

[Todd]

Perfect. Perfect. Done.

[Paul]

Yeah, but they didn't care.

[Matt Farah]

Clearly.

[Paul]

They're just.

[Todd]

Well, it also. They learned.

[Matt Farah]

Shrug it off.

[Todd]

It also proves that everything's on YouTube. How to do blank for sure. The 60 second whatever.

[Matt Farah]

That has like a hundred thousand views nowadays. Terrifying foreign country to terrifying. Yeah, Yeah.

[Paul]

I thought you were gonna say something about he couldn't get his window replaced because of the glass wasn't available or something.

[Matt Farah]

Well, that's part three. Part three is the car's too new. Replacement windows don't exist. It'll be six weeks. Fortunately, he's in Florida for the winter.

[Todd]

Yeah. The car can stay. Wow. Wow. Oh, my God. Seriously, that wing back.

[Matt Farah]

What's the worst information a dealer representative has ever given you? The most incorrect thing that a dealer's ever given you.

[Paul]

It's. I can't say for dealer, but for turbo psi on some cars.

[Matt Farah]

How much boost?

[Paul]

The boost pressure that it makes. Wildly overrated.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Too much pushing. About 120 psi.

[Paul]

The GR Corolla.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Paul]

The initial quote for the boost pressure on that car was pretty high. We're talking like almost 50.

[Todd]

Yeah, that's.

[Matt Farah]

Is it.

[Todd]

It's not. No, no. Here's. Here's.

[Paul]

It's high.

[Todd]

It's high. But here's the reason.

[Paul]

It's 25, 26, which is still. That's pretty high.

[Todd]

There was a reason why the number was wrong. They'd forgotten to take out the fact that there's just ambient pressure in the air. Oh, that was everything. That was what the car has at sea level because it just exists. Plus what the boost is being provided for. The number we originally saw.

[Paul]

We're like different number.

[Todd]

Those aren't the same, but I get it.

[Paul]

So when you're going by OEM stats and that's what we have to rely on.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, that was in a press release.

[Paul]

That's a problem.

[Todd]

It was the. It was the draft one. And we were like, what? And then we got another draft. Ah, that makes more sense.

[Matt Farah]

Jason Fensky and I once caught an error in a Toyota press release.

[Todd]

I mean, it happens.

[Matt Farah]

You know, we did it simultaneously and it happened to be. I've never. It was take your dad to work. Take day for me. I had brought my dad on the press launch because it was in Monticello. Sure.

[Todd]

I love it from his house.

[Matt Farah]

And my dad was like, you got him on the numbers, son.

[Todd]

He'd never been so prouder.

[Matt Farah]

Sliding the car. He's tapping out. But, like, you got him on the math. Hey, no. I once had a dealer tell me when I wanted to power on a Chevy Volt in the showroom room that I couldn't possibly start a car indoors because I wanted to check the cdui.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And he was like, you know, you can't start that in here. I was like, I promise you, you can. He was the Volt specialist. Perfect.

[Todd]

Even better. Yes.

[Matt Farah]

And then I had. When I was a kid, a guy tried to sell me a V6 Mustang and tell me it was a V8. Like, insistently. Tell me.

[Todd]

Really?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Paul]

How did that get solved? Was. Was the hood opened eventually?

[Matt Farah]

No, literally, it was. First. It was. There's one tailpipe pipe, not two.

[Todd]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

This was. This would have been a 96.

[Todd]

First.

[Matt Farah]

There's one tailpipe, not two.

[Paul]

Let's.

[Matt Farah]

Then it was. You know, there's no. There was. There's a horse. There's a horse with a stripe on the side. Not a GT on the side.

[Todd]

Yes. You don't get.

[Matt Farah]

It says Mustang in the rear bumper, not Mustang gt. Like, eventually it was like. No, no, no, it is, it is.

[Paul]

It is.

[Matt Farah]

Pop the hood. And I counted spark plug wires.

[Paul]

Six. A one, a two.

[Todd]

Cr.

[Matt Farah]

I was like, 17.

[Todd]

That's amazing. That's amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Crazy one.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Liar. Very good.

[Todd]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Must be how people, like, talk to my wife about cars.

[Todd]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Farah]

Nuts.

[Todd]

I was. I had a first gen Scion frs and I was hanging out in that car in Salt Lake in the winter, and somebody that I knew, that actually knew a decent amount about cars went, oh, I didn't know there's an all wheel drive because it was the winter. And, you know, it's related to. It must. Must be all wheel drive. It's like, it's really not. It's a rear wheel drive. It's always been My favorite thing about.

[Paul]

Lease is when people say that a V10 in there.

[Todd]

I had a guy at a gas station ask me that once legitimately.

[Paul]

V10 in that thing.

[Todd]

I pulled up in a good idea for a project. Yeah. A tiny town in Utah.

[Paul]

The cylinder is that big around.

[Todd]

I was filling it up with gas and a guy walked by, straight face, like, oh man, that's amazing car. I said, thank you, buddy. And he goes, I thought the V10 in it, right? It's like, wow, how big do you think a V10 is? How big do you think this car is?

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

He think it was a different. He thought it was a Lamborghini.

[Todd]

I have no idea what he thought, but I was like, you're seeing this as tidy. Right, Right.

[Paul]

I dwarfed, sir.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Thank you.

[Paul]

You know, some people have the V10.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

That is far poorer than they know and I think they need glasses and they don't get them. So they're like, that's a Lamborghini. You're like, no, not at all. Not even a little bit.

[Todd]

Yeah, it says, it says it three or four places on it, but it's fine. Yeah, it's good.

[Matt Farah]

I was, I just was fortunate enough to drive a 918 like on a thousand mile road trip.

[Todd]

I heard, yeah, good for you.

[Matt Farah]

You probably heard cuz I didn't shut.

[Todd]

The up about it for hey, I would love to drive that car.

[Matt Farah]

I'm surprised how many people did not immediately know it was a Porsche.

[Todd]

Okay, sure.

[Matt Farah]

It wasn't just that they were like, oh, that's a Porsche I've never seen because like to me I can look at that and go, that has the cues pretty obviously being a Porsche and people are like, that's a Porsche.

[Paul]

It's also a 10 year old car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, at least.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Paul]

1011 year old car. Which is amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, that's very, it's very pretty. But I was, I was surprised that people didn't identify it as Porsche.

[Todd]

What was the color of the one you were driving?

[Paul]

Yeah, it's gonna sound blue. That sounds gorgeous. And mileage had it been driven?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I took it from 12,000 to 13,000.

[Todd]

Okay, good for you.

[Paul]

Yeah, that is lovely.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah, that's great.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. There's no downside to driving one of those. I just, I just wrote a whole thing for road and track that by the time this goes up should be on the website. That cool.

[Paul]

Okay. As much talk to me about the battery. We don't think the battery life on this is going to be like P1 owners are running into McLaren P1 owners and La Ferrari, almost all of them.

[Matt Farah]

Because that's the holy trinity happened with 918s.

[Paul]

That has not happened.

[Todd]

And that is.

[Matt Farah]

The team has actually aged the best in terms of depend. In terms of reliability, they're overwhelmingly dependable. They. Porsche is supposedly coming out with an updated pack that you could really. Yeah. And get more range and more power if you wanted to. The thing that's aged the worst about the 918 is the fucking Bluetooth and the touch screens and. Sure. I'm sure it's. You could. You could honestly just sell it today.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Guess what a battery replacement would cost as estimated by stutcars.com on there? 918 buyer's guide.

[Matt Farah]

250 grand.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

You're gonna be very happy to know it's 50 to 80.

[Matt Farah]

Well, it's 250 on a LaFerrari, so. Steal.

[Todd]

Wow. Well, I have a hundred and about 25,000 mile. 2017 E Hybrid Kayak. Oh, wow. And when we got that, it was like, oh, the battery's gonna die at 90,000. We got it at like 70,000.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Todd]

And it's been great. It's been great. And I'm very curious to see what its life is. I mean, I don't want to get to that problem, but at the same time, it's been really good for us. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

This car's been serviced, you know, as needed. And it. It shows. It shows and delivers 12 miles of electric range, which is what it did when it was new.

[Todd]

Ours does 11 in the winter and 14 in the summer.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. What's his name? John Harper, who corrected me recently because I thought he had like a 2020 Cayenne Hybrid that he got CPO. It's a 16.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

He bought it like a year ago. CPO. Like, I don't know how that's possible. Yeah.

[Todd]

How long does that work?

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's a 16. And he. But he really likes it.

[Todd]

Yeah. Yeah, ours is great. It's been really good.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So I think in general, like, whether it's Teslas or whatever, like, I think most people. Batteries are lasting longer than people thought they were going to.

[Todd]

Well, and I think it comes down to that same thing. Of. Of the cars that don't get driven end up being the most problematic. Batteries are not. And I think the fact that our Cayenne is getting used regularly, charged, regularly driven normally, all of that has to help, I would think, for sure. Yeah.

[Paul]

So the Cayenne ev, I'm reading that it Shuts off between the wireless charging pad on the floor and the car if your cat walks in between it. So it doesn't fry the cat, unfortunately.

[Matt Farah]

Is that a joke? Are you serious?

[Paul]

I am serious. It shuts off.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, I'd otherwise fry the cat.

[Todd]

Be careful because Matt's a big cat guy.

[Matt Farah]

I know, I know, but would literally. Is that a thing?

[Paul]

It's my understanding that if. If it detects motion in between the car and the pad, it shuts off automatically.

[Matt Farah]

I want to know how to learn that.

[Todd]

I don't know.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Car and driver says the same thing.

[Paul]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Todd]

But it's. That's an interesting day of R D, Right.

[Paul]

For motion detection.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Porsche calls it the live option object detection system.

[Paul]

Here we go.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

I think. Yeah.

[Todd]

So lots. Do they call it LODs? Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I guess that's just like. Is it like being X rayed? I mean, is it literally, like, you need, like, a lead vest to be. To be.

[Paul]

Where's Muffy?

[Todd]

Wrap your animals in lead. Oh, God, that's terrible.

[Matt Farah]

So I just say. I don't. I don't want to be a negative Nancy about this. And I like, like Porsche's EVs, but inductive charging is not something I have asked for or need. I don't need something in my house that operates and needs a fucking force field.

[Todd]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

For me to be around.

[Todd]

It's the reality of the fact that, you know, like, EVs are not like EVs. The reality is you get out of the car and you plug it in. Like a big version of plug in your phone. And this isn't hard. I mean, I. Okay, all right, whatever.

[Paul]

So introduced in Dubai. That's been Dubai. It's been Dubai Dubai.

[Todd]

We're having all kinds of fun with that. We're gonna conjugate Dubai. I never thought that was happening.

[Paul]

LA is the perfect market for this.

[Matt Farah]

Is it? Not to use the word summer as.

[Todd]

A verb, but that's true. That's true. Yes. Where do you summer now, Matt?

[Matt Farah]

Yes, but with less taxes and more crimes against you.

[Todd]

Well, you know, we got there where.

[Matt Farah]

The crimes are only white collar. Except for the slavery. Sorry. I guess I won't be invited back.

[Paul]

I'm just.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I.

[Paul]

Of any market to introduce that thing. Why not la? LA is.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

We should have seen it at the LA auto show, is my point. But it was introduced. It was not. It was. Maybe. I'm not sure. Well, it was. It was Dubai.

[Todd]

Yeah. I mean, it was interesting in Dubai. Really surprised they didn't have it at the. Just even sitting there at the.

[Matt Farah]

Doug made a video with one. Where was he? I know.

[Todd]

I'm sure they sent him one.

[Matt Farah]

Dubai. No, they let people drive them.

[Paul]

Yeah. To a, you know, handful of select journalists. Here's the advanced thing.

[Todd]

Doug drove one. I think Kyle Connor drove one. I mean, there were a few out there.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

I was just hoping for fried birds and cats, who knows? But no.

[Matt Farah]

And now the live demonstration. It would be funny, Joy out of everything funny if they disable that and they. And Guy Fieri just shows up like, boom. And starts cooking and sets up a roto underneath the thing and just starts like Boston marketing these chickens.

[Paul]

Boston market.

[Todd]

That's more of a Dodge event. Is it really a Porsche event? I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know.

[Todd]

Not the right vibe.

[Matt Farah]

Seven Hellcats running at 8000rpm. We're going to cook burgers.

[Todd]

It's going to be awesome. It's going to be great.

[Paul]

Sounds better, actually. So, yeah, the ev. There it is. With the charging pad. Are they.

[Matt Farah]

I presume pad is optional and you could just plug the thing in.

[Todd]

Of course. Yeah. Yeah.

[Paul]

I think The Noya class BMWs look better than the new Cayenne. I am not impressed with the styling.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Yeah, the new Cayenne styling is a little.

[Paul]

I'm not impressed.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Well, it's followed where the maan went a little bit. Right.

[Todd]

The square.

[Paul]

More square lights and then retractable fins that do something and just charge you more when you nerf it in the.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Parking lot, I think.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Aerodynamics.

[Paul]

Yeah, aerodynamics.

[Todd]

If you really want to go faster with a little extra.

[Paul]

That's what we needed.

[Matt Farah]

Is 10% more aerodynamically efficient than the last one with fundamentally the same body.

[Todd]

That's astonishing.

[Matt Farah]

It has the. The fin things in the front. Yeah. It has, you know, the wing. The. It had the wing. Just the wing and the chin splitter before. Now it has the fins in the front like the gts. And it also has these little bits. These are pretty cool. In the front wheel wells that move up and down and can adjust the pressure in the wheel well.

[Todd]

Oh, sure.

[Matt Farah]

But also put the car in wet mode and it rains, they point to dry the brakes. They fucking blow air at the brake caliper all the time for quicker brake response. Brakes always try.

[Todd]

Unbelievable.

[Matt Farah]

That's pretty cool.

[Todd]

Yeah, that's very cool.

[Matt Farah]

Of course. God help you 10 years get one of these cars. I mean, seriously.

[Paul]

Well, you're solenoid on the thing.

[Todd]

Guess what? You're.

[Matt Farah]

Each boat needs Replacing and. Yeah, but for today.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Lease with confidence.

[Todd]

Yeah. Tell me. The level of engineering going on right now over there is unbelievable.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Well, wait till you have a go in one of these. They're pretty nice. What have you guys been driving? Anything fun?

[Todd]

Paul's updated his entire garage this year.

[Paul]

Yeah, I'm driving a lot of fun stuff.

[Matt Farah]

I Updating the garage itself or the car's in it?

[Todd]

His personal.

[Paul]

The car's in it.

[Matt Farah]

All right. So what's out?

[Paul]

So the expedition that I had, that was my dad's, that went back to my sister and my brother in law. So they wanted it back. Been in the family since new. And so I got a new 4Runner off road premium video just dropped. So brand new 4Runner. Really liked it. I did not get the hybrid because I just wanted the gas engine. And on that model it's the 4.2.4 liter turbo. 4 wanted a turbo for the mountains. There you go. And yeah, I like the color a lot. Really like that Everest color.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's a good color.

[Paul]

It's like a bluish green.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Paul]

Just dig it. Went for the bronze wheels and there is no.

[Matt Farah]

That's a good combo.

[Paul]

There's no start stop button on the center console. When you pull up to the light, the engine stays running. It's the weirdest thing. It's kind of cool. So then when you're ready to go, the engine's already on.

[Todd]

It's really weird. Yeah, it's very strange. But. But to your point though, it is amazing how when you drive that and we've gotten so used to how many press cars that have that now there is that moment where you go, wait, the engine didn't stop.

[Paul]

The engine didn't stop. That's weird.

[Todd]

And there's no button.

[Paul]

It's a rare moment.

[Matt Farah]

I turn, start, stop off a lot.

[Todd]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Matt Farah]

There's some cars that can really do it. When it's really smooth and pretty seamless. If the air conditioner stays gun going, that's key.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Paul]

For real seconds, you know.

[Matt Farah]

And. And if it's really good, then I'll leave. A lot of times the louder the car, the less you want to use start stop, right?

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Paul]

So that is a scourge. I can't stand that.

[Matt Farah]

So that is a new four.

[Paul]

So a new Forerunner. And then early in the year 2025, I got a Cayman GT4. Whichever.

[Todd]

Oh, right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Manual with the buckets. Non ceramics. So I didn't want the ceramics. I just wanted iron rotors I think.

[Matt Farah]

I met the guy who sold you that car.

[Paul]

Did you really? Yeah, his, I think, girlfriend made a comment on the YouTube video, and I reached back out to her and I didn't get a response, but she hit her up on IG or something. But.

[Matt Farah]

Well, I don't know if he. He sold it to you directly or if he was just.

[Paul]

No, it was.

[Matt Farah]

And he was the first owner, but yeah, Paul's got my old car. Okay, cool.

[Paul]

No kidding.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Fantastic.

[Matt Farah]

He was a nice guy.

[Todd]

That's awesome.

[Paul]

Well, that's good to know.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. He wasn't like. Huh. I really.

[Paul]

Him. Good to know.

[Todd]

Good thing I got rid of that car. But.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Todd]

The photo you've got up at the top there, Zach, the. The bottom right corner, that GTS is what Paul sold for the GT4. I'd gotten the Amira a little over a year ago, so the. We sold the C8 and Paul sold the. The GTS and got the GT4 instead. The Expedition. In the back, I have two Cayennes because my wife really likes Cayennes. We have the old Cayenne that's. Now we call the Rubic Cayenne because it's lifted. And then we have 2017. That. That is the hybrid. So I have. I have the two low tie and the two Cayennes, which is absurd.

[Matt Farah]

That's so funny. Your two Porsches are trucks and the Corvette was company car.

[Paul]

Right, that was company car.

[Matt Farah]

And what is the. What are the. You had it for what, two years?

[Paul]

Two years.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. How did the math work out on it?

[Todd]

We lost about two grand when it was all said and done.

[Paul]

Total.

[Todd]

Right. Well, hang on. I say that, that we. Between what we still owed on it and what we sold it for was a two grand Delta.

[Paul]

Two, two, three grand.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, so you were like. You're like upside down. Two grand on it?

[Paul]

Slightly.

[Todd]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

So what was the total creation on it over those two?

[Todd]

About 20 grand.

[Matt Farah]

And how many miles?

[Todd]

Because we bought it post Covid for 81 and we sold it.

[Paul]

82 post Covid and then sold it for 61. 5.

[Matt Farah]

And you did how many miles?

[Paul]

11,000 and change.

[Matt Farah]

You know, that's not bad, dude.

[Todd]

It wasn't nearly as bad as we feared.

[Matt Farah]

75Amile.

[Todd]

Yeah. We got content out of it.

[Paul]

Yeah. 11,000. Yeah, 61.

[Matt Farah]

I feel like if you. If you. If you had kept it for another year and driven it a bunch, your dollars per mile might have been a little better. That's not terrible.

[Paul]

Not terrible. We got what we needed out of It. We were done filming. It sat for a lot of this year and we had just finished filming because what else do we Compare to a C8?

[Todd]

But it was great. It was a really good sport for us.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Stuff. The ZR1X was at the show in all its glory. It's actually pretty cool looking. It's pretty good looking. It's. It's already an aggressive looking car. And to make it more aggressive is probably the right direction to go.

[Matt Farah]

You drove regular ZR1?

[Todd]

Haven't driven.

[Paul]

Not driven to regular aggressive.

[Todd]

Yes.

[Paul]

It's what we hear.

[Todd]

It's quite good.

[Matt Farah]

I mean it's a good time. It's a very good time. You know, in this. In the same way the Z06 emulates a 458 special. This does a pista, you know, does that thing. Yeah, yeah. It's very, very fast. But because GM is very good at traction control, it actually, it, it. I think it's better traction than like a McLaren 750. But then again, the one I drove had the super race tires and the carbon wheels and you could get it on PS4s's and it would probably fucking do four gear burnouts.

[Todd]

Probably. Yeah. That's gonna say. I don't know that the X is necessary, but I'm very curious to drive the ZR1. So. Yeah.

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think that. I don't think I need the X. I think the, the, the E. Ray, I like hybrids. If, if that's the only way to get the car. Sure. And it's a good car.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah.

[Paul]

Then, then fine.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But I, you know, I don't want to say this like too loud, but I bet you if, you know, if you made a McLaren Artura that weighed 2,400 pounds and had no hybrid system, I'll take two of those.

[Todd]

The Arturo is great. And I agree with you. I totally agree.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. If it just had 550 horsepower and weighed 2,500 pounds, rear wheel drive, it would be the best.

[Todd]

Well, and I hate to say this, but one, it's not hard to find cars now that have a comma in the horsepower number. I mean the new Cayenne is one and then. But it's not becoming more usable. It's not like just because we have more of them that are over a thousand, we're figuring out ways to use a thousand horsepower.

[Matt Farah]

It's not possible. You know how many places in I drove a thousand miles on a 918. You know how many times I was able to like, go flat in any gear for any period of time. Zero. I mean, it was like. It was like. I mean, I did three runs of Tale of the Dragon, and if you put all of those together in the other thousand miles, I think the total number of times going flat is like nine. Like over a thousand miles. Like, this car is so fast.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You just can't do that anywhere.

[Todd]

And then it's a fraction of a second. It's like down in the back. Yeah, yeah.

[Paul]

So glad you said 2,400 pounds, because what else weighs 2400 pounds? The Alpine. A 110.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You guys drove Ben's car.

[Paul]

We drove Ben's car again.

[Todd]

We had it at Cota with us. Yes, we had it at Cota and then it came to you guys, and then it went to Jason Camisa, and then it was back with us because we had it as part of our road trip film. We did a big series down to Coda.

[Paul]

I loved you in the thumbnail. Like, just sort of like this relief.

[Todd]

We finally.

[Paul]

It was so, so funny.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Yeah. We've talked about it for years. We read books about it.

[Matt Farah]

And like, the guy that directed the project. Project.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

It's pretty rad.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Todd]

We got to put it with the.

[Matt Farah]

Wine with Bennett at Car Week as well.

[Todd]

Good.

[Matt Farah]

He was a good.

[Todd]

That's a great.

[Matt Farah]

Enjoyed his company.

[Todd]

Yeah. We got to put it with the Elise and the 4C. And it was just a really cool piece to actually put them together and talk about it. Yeah, it was really fun. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Let's just say the amount of vitriol that Todd had to cut out of the piece that didn't make it in for me.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Todd]

Was significant with those three cars back to back. They were all essentially stock. Is the other thing with those three cars back to back. Paul was not a fan of the 4C. And the 4C owners have arrived in force, all of them telling us the exact same thing. We all know, and that is here are the things in the aftermarket that make the car good. Which is fine.

[Paul]

It's great.

[Todd]

That's great. But that's the thing I keep trying to nicely respond in comments about. I'm like. But you coming at me again with all the things it needs to fix are reinforcing the fact that in stock form, it wasn't good enough.

[Paul]

We have a name for this. It's called the GTI problem. It's the GTI solution, because, well, if you do this, this, and this and this, you spend $12,000. Oh.

[Todd]

Or you Guys are the best thing ever.

[Paul]

Taking that and bought a better car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

If that's what you're looking for. Not to take away from the gti.

[Matt Farah]

Out of class.

[Paul]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

We never want to.

[Paul]

We love that.

[Todd]

We've used that term before. It's a great.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that. That a 110, though. What a delight.

[Todd]

A special car. It's very cool. Good.

[Paul]

Did you see the car moving around? What I'm asking is, did it get noticed at the show where people. Of all the cars at the show, did the Alpine sort of like. You never see that here.

[Matt Farah]

Oh. When I took it to, like, up the mountain, like those nerds. Yeah, the car show at the top of the mountain.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Okay. I was gonna say, like, holy crap.

[Matt Farah]

The castle up there. Yeah. Just driving around in la.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Not in.

[Matt Farah]

Laughing.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Pretty invisible.

[Todd]

And did it get noticed in Monterey?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I didn't drive it. Monterey?

[Todd]

No.

[Matt Farah]

I just.

[Todd]

I didn't know if you saw Ben hanging out.

[Paul]

Yeah, I was just curious.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

I didn't.

[Paul]

He came.

[Matt Farah]

He came to our rented house. I have no idea.

[Todd]

God.

[Matt Farah]

I was just curious if it did not compare to what the. I was driving, so.

[Todd]

Okay. You were in your Manx, right? Yeah.

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Todd]

Which is a totally different thing as loving like that. That's amazing.

[Paul]

That was awesome.

[Matt Farah]

Go.

[Todd]

Full sparkle. I was disappointed I not see that today. That's pretty cool.

[Matt Farah]

My house.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Came to the house.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

All right.

[Todd]

Good to know.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Good to know. All right.

[Matt Farah]

I can't even. I can't even swap it for another car. Car has been pissing rain and. Yeah, unfortunately, as cool as that car is, it's not waterproof.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

That's probably kind of a boat. Like, if it really. You can probably drive across a flood with it.

[Paul]

It does have a bond line where the hole and the. Yeah.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Is it like a sealed tub?

[Matt Farah]

I don't think it would literally sink, but you'd like, really. The motor up if you tried.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Oh, that's a good point.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah. Things would go horribly wrong even if it didn't, like, literally sink.

[Paul]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. No, I mean, it's funny. Maybe if Manx does, like, a Whaler crossover, they could do one where you could. That's amphibious, you know, bought the Boston.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Boston.

[Todd]

I like it.

[Matt Farah]

Remember the video, Right? The Whaler commercial? Boston Wheel commercial?

[Paul]

No.

[Matt Farah]

Where the guy chainsaws the front half of the boat off and then drives the back half just back to the dock. You ever seen that? I guess that was, like, from, like, the 80s or maybe early 90s that, like, made Boston Whaler the Unsinkable legend.

[Todd]

Okay. All right.

[Matt Farah]

I'm sure Zach has the commercial. It's probably amazing. Yeah. The guy's just chilling in the boat and just saws the front half right off.

[Todd]

No, I haven't seen this.

[Paul]

Gotta see this now.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Apparently, the commercial. His wife.

[Matt Farah]

His wife does it. Oh, yeah. No way.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

I love it.

[Todd]

Everything's on YouTube, I'm telling you.

[Matt Farah]

In a boat divided, the lady gets. Oh, the wife gets mad. Mad, because. Oh, I've never seen this one. She gets mad that he's bought the Whaler and chainsaws the front half off in the garage. Whoa. And now he just.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

She just.

[Todd]

Oh, my gosh.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, my gosh.

[Paul]

Awesome.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

That is a great ad.

[Matt Farah]

I saw another one where the guy was on the water already.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

And Shane sawed it off. Like, just one left the other half floating. I think there was a couple of these.

[Todd]

Amazing.

[Paul]

Oh, that. The unseen legend. There we go.

[Matt Farah]

Wow. Isn't that crazy?

[Todd]

I didn't know this existed. Okay. Amazing how.

[Matt Farah]

That's from 13 years ago on YouTube. Who knows when it was on that? Sold my dad a Boston Whaler.

[Todd]

Incredible.

[Matt Farah]

100% sold him Boston Wheeler one. Just like that one in the commercial.

[Todd]

I love it.

[Paul]

There we go.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You know, it's not unsinkable. And out. Alpha 8C. That A110 was.

[Todd]

It was incredible.

[Paul]

It was.

[Todd]

I'm sure the. The forbidden fruit of it makes it a little better, but it was still great. And to put those three lightweight cars together was wonderful.

[Matt Farah]

The forbidden fruit is good, but, like, I've driven enough Skylines to know that and enough other forbidden cars to go that, like, you know, sometimes the car delivers and sometimes the car.

[Todd]

Absolutely.

[Matt Farah]

I did enough miles in that thing to go. Okay, yeah. This is the real. This is the real deal.

[Todd]

Objectively special, no question. I think it adds a little bit of extra because, like, oh, my gosh, I'm getting to get in this thing. But it's just. Especially when we put it the other two. It's just like this holds up so well. And we see them every year when we go to the ring. We see a consistent number of people that are running those on the ring. And I'm like, okay, well, they wouldn't keep showing up if this car wasn't good enough for this, you know, so that's very cool.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

How many four Cs do you see at the. At the ring?

[Todd]

Very few. Zero shop. We see the Elise's and we see the four C's. I mean, pardon me. The Elise's and the A110s more than we see. Four C's at the ring, definitely.

[Matt Farah]

For sure.

[Todd]

Yeah. And then of course, you know, everything else on the planet then, yeah, the.

[Paul]

A110 got shipped, I think, out of the Port of Long Beach.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it did.

[Paul]

Port of Long Beach. Did you drive down there?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, no, they. Someone. Someone picked it up. Okay.

[Paul]

Okay.

[Todd]

So, yeah, I heard something. It's back. It's back. It's back, back.

[Paul]

And yeah, he said it's doing great, 10,000 kilometers. And he's like, yeah, we need to get it back for service. Mike. You ship it back to France and you service that.

[Matt Farah]

Well, now we have that other car. Car that's on a.

[Todd]

The.

[Matt Farah]

That's here on a tourist visa that I'm not gonna go drive, but it's. The guy's doing the same kind of thing, which is pretty fun.

[Todd]

Which car is that? Or can you say the Tothill? Oh, that, that. Oh, that one over here. Okay, cool.

[Matt Farah]

Right hand drive. Oh, okay.

[Todd]

I didn't even realize that one.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Okay, cool.

[Todd]

That's amazing.

[Matt Farah]

So. And you guys are also doing the. The driving tours still as well, right? Like, kind of like. Do you have one coming up?

[Todd]

We.

[Matt Farah]

What's your next one?

[Todd]

We don't have our ones for next year booked yet. We're still figuring out 26 schedule, but we'll do. Do. We'll do the Ring and Spa, which will probably be August, but we're trying to lock that down. We're doing a Spain and Portugal, which is a track right outside Seville. Yeah. And then also Portimao, So that's going to be in late April. That is definitely on the calendar. We're partnering with our friends at RSR who do the Ring and Spa for us. They're going to have cars for us.

[Matt Farah]

In Spain and Portugal. Also sending a whole full of cars about.

[Paul]

And not just four or five of them.

[Todd]

Not just for us. It's a trip they're doing anyway. We're adding on to it, which is.

[Matt Farah]

Great day. Yeah, yeah, we'll do like cage cars.

[Todd]

And not the cage car if you want.

[Paul]

But they're sending their regular cars. They've got regular cars that are.

[Matt Farah]

They had cars that didn't have cages.

[Paul]

Cayman to, you know, all the stuff.

[Matt Farah]

But I thought for the track days they put roll bars and stuff.

[Paul]

Not necessarily.

[Todd]

Not in most.

[Paul]

So you can have I20N Hyundais to the GT3s, everything in between, the BMWs, the 2 series, all the stuff. Caymans are quite popular. And They've got everything. So whatever you want. Rent, of course, it adds to the cost, but we think.

[Matt Farah]

So what's. What is that trip?

[Paul]

So that is April 24th to 29th, 2026, Civilis Circuit de Seville, which we have never been to. I was on the Autodromo do Algarve. So the Algarve Portimao circuit which I really like. It's really superb.

[Matt Farah]

Zach and I have done Monte Blanco outside of Seville, which is really nice too.

[Paul]

Really? There's. Yeah, there's a ton of racetracks. Like good ones.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Spain's rad man. I'm excited for start in Seville.

[Paul]

So Seville Circuit de Seville and then we've made it very spouse friendly. So if you want to bring the significant other in your life, you can. And there's a day on track and then in sort of a. We'll see you at the next location.

[Todd]

And we've got a walking tour of Seville the next day. Yeah, because it's not that far from Seville to Portimao.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

And then. Yeah, over in Portimao there's the Algarve circuit which is again superb. And then some more time, just if you want to go back.

[Todd]

No, it's track day at Seville, a walking tour in transit day to get you to Portimao and then two days on Portimao if you want to go both days. Otherwise you're there on the beach in Portimao which is really cool.

[Paul]

Yeah, we're right on.

[Todd]

So that's the end of April. Probably do ring and spa as we always do as an all inclusive trip which is always really fun. That'll be 10 or 12 people probably will take. That'll be in August. And then we're going to figure out what our domestic trips are. We try to do one that is the greatest hits of Utah. We try to do that every year. And then we try to do one somewhere else. The somewhere else is pending based on what we can connect to an HOD track day. So we'll figure it out.

[Paul]

And then we're doing Coda again. Probably early August is what we're looking at. We like coda.

[Matt Farah]

I love coda.

[Paul]

So it's just superb. We had never been on two weeks.

[Matt Farah]

Are you really?

[Todd]

Okay, what's the story?

[Matt Farah]

Lieberman.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Paul]

Racing.

[Matt Farah]

Bell and Tato Ciderman who's like a 21 year old, 22 year old hot shot, like sweeping super trafao amateur class.

[Todd]

What are you driving?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, what are you driving? 92M3.

[Paul]

Holy crap.

[Todd]

No. What series is this? Okay, all Right, Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

All right, super excited.

[Paul]

So the five sounds amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Five of us, two eight hour races.

[Todd]

That sounds fantastic.

[Matt Farah]

You get to find out who's faster, me or Johnny in the same car.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

And I mean, I mean we have two Lamar, like two la. I don't know if Tommy's won Lamar but like Lamar winner and the winningest road racing American driver of all time. And I get to follow his data lines in the practice session.

[Todd]

Incredible.

[Paul]

Oh my gosh.

[Todd]

That's awesome. That's awesome.

[Matt Farah]

Sparko. Yesterday I got a new suit. The new Sparko suits are nice. They got some new for you. Flexible.

[Todd]

That sounds fantastic.

[Matt Farah]

Ferrari red.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

Because all these guys are going to have have like dope suits. I didn't want to get a shitty be the guy because like look Tommy, who knows what they're showing up with. Yeah, like his Lamar.

[Todd]

Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Right. And Johnny has like some custom Bugatti.

[Paul]

Suit he got from them.

[Todd]

Yeah, I, I, I can't be, gotta do something.

[Matt Farah]

I'm not gonna be a baller, but I can't be that. I can't have this basic.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

But yours won't say Bugatti on the back, which is actually good.

[Matt Farah]

Which is actually.

[Todd]

Yeah, it's true. Yes.

[Matt Farah]

And actually they got some new glasses, gloves. Some of their new gloves are very nice. Shout out to them. Did not get a discount on anything but, but good service. And the gloves are nice.

[Todd]

That sounds awesome. It's such an amazing event.

[Matt Farah]

Fitting race. A race suit in person is important.

[Todd]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Going somewhere to try it on. Yes, it is. If you can possibly manage doing so it is really worth it.

[Paul]

And you've already got a helmet then.

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah, yeah. I have, I have like the, the good hard points. I just.

[Paul]

Okay. Everything else on. Everything.

[Matt Farah]

That's the way I wanted to treat myself.

[Paul]

Yeah, man.

[Todd]

Good for you.

[Matt Farah]

Fitting suit.

[Paul]

That's fantastic. You're gonna go.

[Todd]

That sounds like an incredible event. That sounds a lot of fun. You say next week when the December.

[Matt Farah]

No, two weeks. December 6th, 7th, 8th. It's my birthday.

[Todd]

Phenomenal.

[Matt Farah]

Going to Texas and going racing. That sounds fantastic.

[Paul]

Sounds really good.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Paul]

Right on. It'll be fun.

[Matt Farah]

And co. And coda's the best.

[Todd]

Coda's fantastic. We're very excited to go back with Hooked on driving for sure. Yeah. It's the first weekend of August is when we're going this year.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. What are you driving on the track?

[Todd]

Tbd. Because last year we drove our own cars. Yeah.

[Paul]

I was gonna say we're not sure.

[Todd]

We drove them down and put those on track this year because our travels gonna be different. I don't know that we're chance to do that. We've got to figure it out.

[Matt Farah]

At what point do you guys get track cars in a truck trailer?

[Todd]

Is YouTube going to take a turn back up?

[Paul]

It's a slow progression. Maybe.

[Matt Farah]

I mean. Hey, let me. I'll tell you the other end of this though because I have clients who say essentially they cannot like give away their race cars. Right now I. I have. I know two people that are willing to take shockingly low amounts of money for race cars. There's apparently very little interest in secondhand sports car based race cars.

[Todd]

Yeah, I guess so Interesting to me.

[Matt Farah]

If you ever wanted to get, you.

[Paul]

Know, now's the time.

[Matt Farah]

You're saying a production based.

[Todd]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

It is not a bad time to buy, huh?

[Todd]

Okay. There's the consumer advice for this.

[Paul]

GT3 RSS have held their value.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Unfortunately.

[Paul]

Unfortunately. Kind of.

[Todd]

You're not doing bad in the GT4.

[Paul]

No, I can't complain. GT4 manual. I really.

[Matt Farah]

GT4 is there. That's a great car.

[Paul]

It's a great car.

[Matt Farah]

That's a great car. There's. It's like a kind of a no notes sort of car.

[Paul]

It really is. I just love it. I've done very little to it for upgrades or anything. It's just. Just fantastic. Brake pads.

[Matt Farah]

All you do is change the motor.

[Paul]

The gears did hammer. Yeah. What you know about that?

[Todd]

Actually I almost did. No, no, no.

[Matt Farah]

You what?

[Paul]

I looked into the. The demand conversion. I just looked into it.

[Matt Farah]

That's full throttle, man. It really is.

[Paul]

Isn't Aren't oil changes or. No, it's fuel. You have to keep a certain octane fuel. Really. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

No.

[Matt Farah]

Now we have pump gas tune tunes now and they're better.

[Paul]

Really. You don't have to search out race fuel to put in.

[Matt Farah]

It runs on 91. Makes more power than it was running on.

[Paul]

No kidding.

[Matt Farah]

Yep. Yep.

[Paul]

Service the same.

[Matt Farah]

I mean same. Really? The break ins a. I mean tedious.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Okay. You have to do.

[Matt Farah]

You have to do three oil changes in the first three. 500 miles after that you're good to go. Yeah.

[Paul]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

But it's like. It's pretty hardcore though.

[Paul]

I could suffer through that.

[Todd]

This is the info you didn't need.

[Paul]

I didn't need.

[Todd]

Yeah, you are. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Just the gears. I would just do the gears.

[Paul]

Oh really?

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

If you were just gonna do one, I would just do the gears.

[Todd]

The gears are so long. The gears are so jumping between your car and mine. I. I definitely noticed that.

[Paul]

How much of the gears?

[Matt Farah]

15 or something. It's expensive, you have to take out, but. But it's a lot less than the motor.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I mean.

[Todd]

Yeah, true.

[Matt Farah]

Have you tried one yet?

[Paul]

No, I never have.

[Matt Farah]

I just want to drive mine. It's downstairs kinda.

[Todd]

You can try it.

[Paul]

You can try it.

[Matt Farah]

Yes, you can try drive it.

[Paul]

That'd be amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Transmission. Re. Gearing for the Cayman from Shark Works is. It says call for price now, but Right now.

[Todd]

But.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

But below that, it says 6,000 for changing three, four, five. Boom. If you want to change two, three, four, five, it's 8,500.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I did.

[Todd]

Two, three, four, five. You're dead. Two, three.

[Paul]

Yeah, I think for sure for 8,000.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That's a. I mean, look, to be honest, it's less than I paid, so whatever.

[Todd]

You know, this is the advice you did.

[Matt Farah]

That's if you're. You know.

[Paul]

How did we wander into this?

[Matt Farah]

You shouldn't do the engine without doing the gears. Right.

[Todd]

Of course.

[Matt Farah]

The wall you're in there of the gears is so obvious.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Can you work your way there? Can you do gears first and engine later?

[Matt Farah]

You. Yeah, of course. But you're. But you're doubling up labor costs because you have to pull a bunch of out. But.

[Paul]

And also ship the car to them. Well, yeah, that's a problem.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. That's.

[Paul]

Dang it.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Dang.

[Todd]

This is gonna. You don't infest your brain now.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Oh, you don't.

[Matt Farah]

You do. No, you don't need to go to demand to do gears. Okay. The demand. The gear thing that they. That they do is not proprietary. It's the same gear thing that Sharkey does or that. Yeah. Anybody. The gears are the gears. Okay. Whoever. Dodson or whoever the fuck makes them and they. They take them apart and put them in.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Todd]

You could.

[Matt Farah]

You could get that done later, but you're just. You're just doubling up on labor.

[Todd]

Why am I considering this as a terrible YouTube video? Probably do this.

[Paul]

Why am I.

[Todd]

That's exactly what's happening. Yeah, for sure.

[Paul]

There's content. I mean, the forerunner. I've got the forerunner. That's the newest thing.

[Matt Farah]

And then wait till you're tired of what you've got.

[Todd]

Yes, I totally agree with that.

[Matt Farah]

Because a good driver, a GT4, is a fabulous thing, but a good driver can get to.

[Paul]

Because I want a quicker power out of.

[Todd]

Dakota.

[Paul]

You Know you come to the end, you're breaking hard.

[Matt Farah]

I want to spin the tires in third.

[Paul]

See I'm one of that. Because then you get all your braking done and to 12 hard left. I wanted the power and they're just the gearing was. Why am I considering this?

[Matt Farah]

What am I doing? Downside of mine. The downside of mine is more service intervals. Right. And the clutch is really heavy which makes it. Makes it can be annoying in traffic.

[Todd]

Sure.

[Paul]

GT4 is not going to be really a daily. I'll drive it around town.

[Matt Farah]

But the GT4 has got a light clutch. It does.

[Paul]

It does. But I would think your car is more of a daily used more. It's not really a track car.

[Matt Farah]

You don't have it has never been on a track and probably will never go on a track. It's canyons and road.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

This will help you. Friend of the show and frequent patron patreon commenter Dan McInnes who has lots of experience with these. He just patchworks to do the shorter gears.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

And the all in cost. I hope he's okay with this. But he's telling me was like we know damage. 22 grand. 22 it was.

[Paul]

And that was what?

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

9500 for two to five in the flywheel. 9200 for the actual labor. Labor parts.

[Matt Farah]

That price was the part.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

From the dealership that pulled the trains. I guess.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

So that's a lot.

[Matt Farah]

That's expensive.

[Todd]

Yep.

[Paul]

Yeah it is.

[Matt Farah]

So. So look with the labor it really justifies. You get it. You get to save 10k by doing them at the same time. That ain't nothing. So you can you super relatable here if you.

[Todd]

Exactly. Good. Yeah. Very good.

[Matt Farah]

I'll tell you this. Don't you try my car. And you can. I'm just not. I'm happy to let you. It's right there. But you be ready.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

You're going to like it.

[Todd]

We know what the next steps are.

[Matt Farah]

Nobody doesn't like it.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Yeah.

[Todd]

That's amazing. I'm sure.

[Paul]

Maybe I shouldn't right now because. Because you better beat.

[Matt Farah]

You better have available credit.

[Todd]

Yeah. Yes.

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Fortunately it's a business expense.

[Paul]

It is. Everything's a write off. Everything we do at all times.

[Matt Farah]

For sure.

[Paul]

All cars need to be car life. Camera ready. As you say. They need to be camera ready at all times for anything that we're doing. Which is.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Are you guys doing any road trips that are not seriously track focused that are more just road. Road drive?

[Paul]

Yeah. We're doing like Todd said Utah is the. The main one. So those are just like Mount Yukons.

[Todd]

We go straight down to the center of Utah. There's kind of our greatest hits there. We did one also this past year. We do every couple of years which is up to Beartooth Pass, which is one of my favorite roads in the world. So we go Salt Lake to Jackson Hole to Beartooth. So that's a great one. That's no track connection. And typically when we've done these domestic road trips, they don't have a track element. But we're going to try in the coming year or so that we'll have the normal road trip and then it'll bump into a location that happens to have a hooked on driving track day. You can go to one of the days there if you don't get it. I totally understand. Or you can go to all of the above. So we're going to try to connect those if we can.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Well, ideally maybe you want to do it at the. The track days where there's like near. It's near places where there's other going on.

[Todd]

Exactly. Right. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Certainly Gingerman, where someone could hang out at the South Haven waterfront or whatever. Places like that where the track is like sort of near something.

[Todd]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Not like Chuck Walla, which I love.

[Todd]

I love. But like. But yeah. Yeah.

[Paul]

Sonoma and Laguna, those are some of our faves.

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah. What is it? What is the. Because I haven't. Forgive my ignorance because I haven't paid retail for a track day in a long time because of my privilege of my job and all. What is. If you do it just a track day at Laguna? What does a slot cost these days?

[Paul]

The slots.

[Matt Farah]

Quiet day. Very.

[Paul]

So newbies. Well, novices. They would require coaching and so their track day is actually going to be more expensive because they've got. We've got in car coach with them. But for a Laguna track day, you're probably looking at 550 somewhere there. Yeah, 550, maybe 600. But for expert class driver, you don't need coaching. You know what you're doing. You've been to the track, you understand, ready to go. So it'd be actually less money so cost you less as you progress through the ranks.

[Matt Farah]

That's not bad.

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Honestly.

[Todd]

And that those are the most expensive track days that hooked on driving runs and we try to be premium and the safety is really good. The car count is really low so the prices are a bit higher. But people appreciate that.

[Matt Farah]

The most expensive tracks in the country.

[Todd]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Kota Sonoma and Lagoon is it? Pretty much.

[Paul]

Watkins is up there. Watkins is getting up there.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Really fantastic track. It's starting up there, but it is the best.

[Matt Farah]

It's worth it.

[Paul]

In the Northeast, Santi and Cody are doing an incredible job. So there are northeast franchise owners. They're doing an incredible job running great events. They're actually going to have another fourth of July star stripes and speed for. For watkins glen in 2023.

[Todd]

Day monster they did this year was incredible.

[Paul]

Yeah. They had camping, fireworks, drifting car shows, and in addition to three days on track. So it was.

[Matt Farah]

The Glen is the best.

[Paul]

Glen is pretty awesome. We were just there in October again and it's just superb.

[Todd]

It's really good.

[Matt Farah]

That's a real favorite so far. In the middle of nowhere.

[Todd]

It is in the middle of nowhere.

[Matt Farah]

From here, that may be the hardest place to get to in America.

[Todd]

It feels like it. And the two times we've gone, I just keep going. There's not any other airport that works better than those. We can't just.

[Paul]

So dark at night out there. It's so dark. Shockingly dark.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Yeah.

[Todd]

Yeah. How is this.

[Paul]

This dark out here?

[Todd]

Both the times we've. We've gone and we've driven there somewhere halfway between the airport and Watkins Glen. We look at each other. We're still following the nav going, are we lost? Because there has to be something somewhere around here.

[Paul]

There's nothing.

[Todd]

And it's pitch black.

[Matt Farah]

Great day.

[Paul]

And then the sun goes down. Where are we?

[Matt Farah]

Well, Chuck, I mean, Chuck Wall in the middle of the desert. They have these cabins there now there's like 30 cabins. They're pretty chill. If you're gonna do a track day, it's like a must.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Paul]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

It's like a one bedroom cabin and it's got a little kitchen so you could bring your, you know. I brought my own groceries to make breakfast. It was quite good, actually. But you are so 40 miles into the middle of the desert. So you go outside and it's just like Milky Way.

[Todd]

That sounds amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Pretty amazing, actually. It was.

[Todd]

It was good.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Todd]

That's good.

[Matt Farah]

That's fun, man. You guys got a lot going on.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

You got.

[Matt Farah]

You got drives, you got track days, you got videos.

[Todd]

You got your whole podcast once a week now on video, which is crazy. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Juggling a lot.

[Todd]

Lot of balls. Yeah, man.

[Matt Farah]

We got a lot of questions from our people.

[Todd]

Oh, cool.

[Matt Farah]

Let's go to the Patreon because our. They pay a lot of money to be here.

[Todd]

Yes, they do. It's cool to have that Support.

[Paul]

Yeah, appreciate that. Appreciate.

[Matt Farah]

And yeah, we want to recognize them from patreon.com the Smoking Tire podcast is how you ask us questions for the show. Get the show live, get the show early, get the show without ads, get extra show and a whole lot more. Oh, it's.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Did.

[Matt Farah]

It occurred. It just occurred me to me that I, I think the first half of that story about Uncle Phil, I think I told that on the pro show. So a bunch of people might think I'm gaslighting them because I said I talked about it on the last show. But a bunch of people don't have a last show because it was a pro show. So that's what you're missing out by not being a Patreon member at the pro driver level. You would have known about Uncle Phil's car window getting kicked out a few.

[Todd]

Days early, but you got the pro levels.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Just eight bucks a month. By the way, for people who aren't familiar with our tiers.

[Todd]

Go bad.

[Matt Farah]

It's good dollars.

[Paul]

It's not bad.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you couldn't get, you know, you can't even get a pack of smokes in New York City for $8 anymore. I think, I think cigarettes in New York are like 20.

[Paul]

How.

[Matt Farah]

How much are cigarettes in New York?

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

I. That I, I was going to go with $5 foot long.

[Todd]

14.

[Matt Farah]

I saw $14 at one point. I was like, whoa, yeah, holy crap. I. When I quit in 2016, they were 11. Almost 10 years.

[Paul]

No. Glad you quit.

[Todd]

Good for you.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's a good decision. Glad you quit. It's too bad though, cuz you know why cigarettes are so fun?

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

They smell so fun.

[Matt Farah]

So fun. And they make me feel so cool and good.

[Paul]

So nasty and I hate they're so gross. No vitamins in those things.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, it's really unlike weed. Fiberglass.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Is there fiber in that?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, unlike weed, which has vitamins, th.

[Todd]

And C. Totally different thing. Yeah, right.

[Matt Farah]

Takafile says when you guys, meaning you boys do your road trip experiences, how much does the work part of it impact your ability to really enjoy the car stuff and the drive? The more time I've spent exploring this hobby, the more I'm realizing that road tripping is my preferred car cane delivery mechanism. I thought I read that, like last line in my peripheral and I thought it actually said cocaine. And I was like, if I wanted to run drugs, I would join.

[Paul]

Like, what are you really saying?

[Todd]

Who knew? Our road trips are really awesome. Matt, what's your route again?

[Paul]

Dip down to the south.

[Matt Farah]

Remember when the Duck.

[Todd]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Farah]

Fake support truck in Dakar.

[Todd]

Wow. Yeah. This is a great question. I think the. Paul and I have joked about this before. Doing our road trip films is my favorite thing that we do now. This past year, we did a road trip that was. We went from Utah to Circuit of the Americas and Circuit of the Americas to Tale of the Dragon. It was a road trip film, but it was also us hosting people on the drive. And that was too much. Trying to do a full film and host people too much. We found the line. That was the line. Don't cross it. But the, the. The thing about the road trips, and we've done road trip films that I absolutely love. Some of my favorite things we're doing, done. But Paul always jokes with me because when we're in the middle of it, I enjoy it. But I enjoy it, like, 60%.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Todd]

I enjoy it 100% when I'm editing it. And I have this whole new experience of seeing it, and I'm getting the experience I think I would do if I wasn't filming it when we did it. Now I'm doing that in post production, which is weird. So I have this, like, delayed reaction to the road trips. And I'll tell him something about it that I'm really enjoying. He's like, yeah, I was there.

[Paul]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

You know, I do not have that at all editing anything except the pivotal flying machine. That was the only time I edited something because I was living it. Like, like seeing it for seeing it. Body. And I was like, well, editing car videos. I'm like, I'm not having fun again the way you are.

[Todd]

Yeah. So I am for the road trips for sure. And, and, and, and I'm. And I guess the part of me that's aware of all the stuff that we have to get through so we've got a film is at least in my brain the whole time we're doing the road trip. And once that's released, because now. Now I've got whatever footage I have here is all I have. And now I'm able to fully be like, oh, this was really cool that we did this. I'm really glad we did this. It's very bizarre.

[Paul]

Something we found out about. The trips were early trips. We did not reveal the route. Follow the cars. Follow the car in front of you. We'll make sure. We'll collect the group. Make sure.

[Todd]

The ones we take with people.

[Paul]

The ones we take with people.

[Matt Farah]

Why would you do that?

[Paul]

Well, people know where we're going, but the exact. When we're gonna turn off and pit stops along the way, just in an effort to make people try to step out and enjoy the trip and just enjoy the scenery and take your eyes off your phone. But that has proven unsuccessful.

[Matt Farah]

No shit.

[Paul]

Because people just need to have in front of them and weirdly, people are enjoying it more.

[Matt Farah]

You cannot have people driving that have no idea where they're going or how long until we get there. You can't do that.

[Paul]

If they, they have it up on their phone now. So we have, we, we share everything. That's a thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

So that has relieved people's minds.

[Matt Farah]

Before you tried that, I would have told you. We've done it.

[Todd]

We've done it successfully for a while, and, but we've, we've seen over time the tide turn on that. So we're just like, all right, so we'll give out the route.

[Matt Farah]

Because you know why? Because the first time you do it, you've got hardcore fans, hardcore people.

[Todd]

That's fair, dad. That are.

[Matt Farah]

They trust you 100%. Once you do it a bunch of times, it's like, come on, honey, this will be fun. You know, That's a fair point. Yeah.

[Todd]

And.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. What do you mean, we won't know? And how long until I can pee? What do you mean, we don't know how far to the hotel exactly?

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's not good in the car. Yeah, it's been bubbling in the car.

[Todd]

For a little bit before it got.

[Matt Farah]

To you, I assure you.

[Todd]

It's funny. That's funny.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah, yeah. You got to tell.

[Paul]

So when people come hang out with their Internet friends, that's really fun. But we share the trip. So good news. We share the trip, so it's relieved everybody's minds. And we've got really planned. We've got it really dialed.

[Matt Farah]

You know, it's funny when I do these for, for, for, for people for road and track, when I'm doing it with the guests, I'm in full, like, customer service mode. Like, the driving bit is autopilot. Like, are these people having fun?

[Paul]

Yes.

[Todd]

Am I.

[Matt Farah]

Is everybody safe? Is everybody enjoying themselves? Well, it's like full on customer service. I, I, it's nice that I get to go do the drives by myself.

[Todd]

To make the route.

[Paul]

Sure.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Because that's the, like, that's the one. You just get to enjoy the spirit of the road trip and, you know, the other road trip, or it's this, the other, which I don't, don't get me wrong, I enjoy doing it. I. Doing customer service from behind the wheel of a cool car is. There's worse ways to earn a living. It's fine. And making films also. But making a film takes me out of a moment that could be very authentic if I was there to do a written piece where I could have the adventure, make a quick voice note and continue having the adventure versus, like, hold on, let's do that one again. We gotta stop and shoot this. Stand up.

[Todd]

Like.

[Matt Farah]

Sure. You know, it's not really happening. And unless you have enough resources to really have do have it happen in real time and.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And be able to do it authentically, which is you have to get to a certain level and do that.

[Paul]

We've been the same headspace. Definitely. Customer service definitely want to make sure. Are you having a good time? We keep asking people, are you. Are you having fun? That's what we're here to do. Yeah. And so there is an element of fun. We do love doing it. We're out there. The planning. Once we're past the planning, we can actually go drive. Stress just melts away.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's good. Zach clapped my cheeks. Owner of an Lotus Elise. One minor issue of Discovery is I accidentally hit the horn during spirited driving due to the spoke mounted buttons.

[Todd]

They're here. They're under your thumbs right there. It's the weirdest place to have the horn. Yeah, I. I get it. You've gotta. You've gotta adjust the fact the tiny wheel. You gotta adjust the fact that you. You don't have to grip the wheel super hard and you got to roll your hands out a bit and just get lighter on the wheel. If you're a person that rolls your thumbs in your thumb pads in on the wheel and you push on the wheel at all subconsciously with those thumb pads, you'll hit the horn all the time. You just got to drive the edges of the wheel. It works out. But yeah, it's the weirdest place to have the horn. Because the other thing is once you get to that place where you have kind of trained yourself to not hit it, then in the moment you need the horn, you're like, where the heck's a horn? It's not with the. Yeah, it's. It's. Yeah. Once you know it, it makes sense. But it's a weird place.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

But it's on the. But it's on the wheel. On which part?

[Matt Farah]

It's the thumb.

[Todd]

Okay. You know, you know how the wheel has a little bulb part right before.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

The cross piece right there.

[Todd]

So you thumb pads Right below the bulbs. Like right where the cross pieces are where you put your thumb pads.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Okay.

[Todd]

It's right.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

So when you press it, does the wheel move at all? Like, does it change the steering even like a degree?

[Todd]

Okay. No, no, because it's right in the compression points where it goes from metal to perforated leather. Right there. It's right, right there. So you got to get your hands a little higher.

[Matt Farah]

Problem, dude. Get a. Get a aftermarket steering wheel with a center mount button.

[Todd]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

And then just put the steering wheel. It's not an airbag wheel, right?

[Todd]

It is an airbag. Oh, it is. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Is there another. Is there another Lotus that you could swap with?

[Todd]

Interesting.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. Maybe I wouldn't mess with it if it's an airbag wheel.

[Todd]

I wouldn't. Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Sorry. Your hose.

[Todd]

But there's a decent number of people that actually take that wheel off and just put a non airbag wheel on it.

[Matt Farah]

Which.

[Todd]

Which I wouldn't do.

[Matt Farah]

But yeah, I would take out airbags in a car like that.

[Todd]

Agreed. Agree.

[Matt Farah]

Maybe you could. I mean one could disconnect the horn control and put. Put a different standalone horn button if you really.

[Todd]

That's been done for sure.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. BMW clown Schumacher.

[Todd]

Love it.

[Matt Farah]

Good.

[Todd]

Love it.

[Matt Farah]

What's your cleaning routine after driving cars in winter?

[Todd]

This is all you, Paul. Yeah.

[Paul]

You know, you definitely use your power washer. Keep that alive in your garage. But all the non. The, the non bristly tunnel washes usually have a sprayer that you drive over. Especially in Utah. We see that a lot. So you drive over it and the sensor senses your car and the day.

[Todd]

You slowly you roll over the bidet.

[Paul]

And you just do that quite frequently. So get your membership to your local.

[Matt Farah]

Also cleaning if your car isn't super below. We've done this here. The old school oscillating sprinklers.

[Todd]

Yes. You just not terrible.

[Matt Farah]

And you do. You pick. You put it in a spot and you let it go for like 20 minutes and then you move it a couple feet. Like 20. You got to leave it a little longer.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It does work.

[Todd]

That makes sense. I see that.

[Paul]

Can you spray the bottom of your Cayenne EV where there's wireless charging and then you spray it with water and.

[Todd]

Well they apparently they've sold this.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Very.

[Matt Farah]

Good German Shepherd Transport E39 is a 98 Boxster worth a. Worth. Okay, hang on. Is a used 981 Boxster S for 50k worth the premium over a 40k. E92 M3.

[Paul]

Manual transmission for the year? Yeah, I think so.

[Matt Farah]

I'd probably say yes.

[Paul]

Absolutely.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Paul]

I mean, I like the mid engine rotation. The E92 is great. You know, heavier car, front engine. But I do like the Boxster.

[Matt Farah]

I have a rule which is that you shouldn't buy a car with a back seat if you don't absolutely need a backseat.

[Paul]

I like that rule.

[Matt Farah]

Adding a backseat to a car dynamically makes it so much worse. And cars that don't have back seats, all of them drive better than the cars that do.

[Todd]

And the boxer's just lighter, too. And the whole thing about it, the rotation, the weight, all of the above. Yeah.

[Paul]

Except the Evora, but that's an outlier.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, the Evora, it's an outlier.

[Paul]

Four seeds.

[Todd]

But it's kind of a shelf in my Amira. It's better for it. It's much better for it. Yeah.

[Paul]

Technicality 6.

[Matt Farah]

Will you be putting a focus on Willow Springs now that the work is going into place? Didn't I introduce you guys to somebody? Willow Springs.

[Todd]

We're talking with Willow Springs. So the answer on that is Hod will be at Willow Springs in the future. As to when it's really going to depend. Depend on their development as they do things out there. But we're talking with them. Had great conversation with them already. So thank you for the connection. And we will be back out there for sure.

[Matt Farah]

Be there on Monday. And I got rained out.

[Todd]

That's crazy. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Bummer.

[Paul]

I would.

[Matt Farah]

I would have driven it in the wet too, because it had been raining.

[Paul]

For a few days.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It would have been a little, you know, rinsed off.

[Todd]

Yeah. You were doing streets.

[Matt Farah]

Because I haven't driven it yet.

[Todd]

Yeah. Yeah. Since we haven't either. Because it's new. So that's the new thing. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But. But yeah. Canceled rain. Christian says. What's the floor on a Polestar one? They're down to 50, 60K.

[Paul]

Christian, did you ask us, I think we got an email about a Polestar one. I think that might be you, but thanks for asking. 50 to 60? I think so. Because that was always the tip of the spear for Polestar. When they were trying to figure out what their company was and was not, they always introduced Polestar. This is the tip of our technological spear. We're trying things that the company hasn't tried before. And so for fifty. Sixty grand for a hundred and fifty thousand dollar car new, I'd say you're probably close to the floor.

[Matt Farah]

They're such pretty cars.

[Paul]

They're pretty cars.

[Matt Farah]

I offered to buy the press car at a slight discount, but it took them like a year to get their together. So I did not end up buying it. Chris Harris bought one of the press cars.

[Todd]

Really?

[Paul]

You liked it enough too that I.

[Matt Farah]

Thought it was fabulous. I thought it was a great, cool car.

[Paul]

50, 60. Sure.

[Matt Farah]

50, 56. Like, here's the question, like, do I want one that looks like worn and shitty and is that what 50 grand gets you or does 50 grand get you one that's got like 7, 000 miles and looks really nice, you know? So like if it. You could be king of the nerds with one of those. Like, it's a good looking car but most people won't look at it twice. But yeah. Show up somewhere with one. It's like if, you know, you know.

[Todd]

Kind of Definitely, definitely.

[Matt Farah]

And they're comfortable and they're fast and you know. Sure.

[Paul]

Which are most cars, I mean, and they can be.

[Matt Farah]

If that's a good. Like. All right. If Polestar somehow becomes Tesla in a. In a good way. Not the fashion.

[Todd]

Understand. I understand.

[Matt Farah]

Right. Like then in that car, then that's the floor. If, if Polestar doesn't make it two more years.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The floor is zero.

[Todd]

You're absolutely right. Yes. I was going to ask that. Raise that question is it just depends on what the future of that brand is going to be because they could keep dropping. Yeah, we'll see.

[Matt Farah]

And eventually both Polestar service centers and Volvo service centers will refuse to work on it. Yeah, eventually. We call that the H1 Hummer.

[Todd]

Sure. Yeah, for sure.

[Paul]

That's good.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Yikes.

[Matt Farah]

Tim A says for Paul. Can you speak to your experience owning two canes simultaneously? How much do they overlap in use as PDK and manuals?

[Paul]

2 caiman simultaneously was fun. Needed the money out of the PDK981, but I felt like I, I love PDK. I just was done with it.

[Matt Farah]

I wanted.

[Paul]

Wanted to go back to manual transmission, but they're two completely different cars. And I, as soon as I drove the GT4, I. It felt like a different car. It is a different car. What I love about it is it's. It's a parts car. It's a bunch of GT3 parts stuffed into the Cayman chassis. And I was talking to you, I was convincing you and you were a little skeptical. I think like GTS GT4. Aren't they just kind of the same? And then you drove it and kind of went, whoa.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they're not. These are much the same.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

If you're going on the track, there.

[Paul]

Is a reason for track use. That was my point. So for track use. And, and my intention was for track use, as we've, you know, brought Hod into our lives.

[Todd]

And, and, and your 981 GTS was a really good GT car, but there's more precision to your GT4. That is a whole other.

[Paul]

It's all the GT3 stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Christian says, will we get to a point in a few years where sports cars stop chasing numbers and focus on engagement? The GT3 has insane demand and it's a pretty basic car with real controls and no extra hybrids or turbos. I, I, I think that that's, while an accurate statement, I don't think it accurately describes the GT3. I don't think the GT3 is as basic as Christian says. It's like a $260,000 car and we just had one at performance Car of the Year and it may not. It's insane to think that Porsche is not chasing numbers with the GT3. That's a crazy statement to make. That's a crazy statement to make. They just sent Jorg to the Berg, to the Bergmeister ring to, to set the manual transmission record.

[Todd]

Yeah, you're right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Who the doesn't think Porsche cares about lap times? That's nuts.

[Todd]

Well, and there's all the real time changes and controls you can do on that car. There's so much going on it technology wise, but, but at the low end.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

You'Ve got like Miata, BRZ, GR86. I mean, they're, they're trying to improve their numbers, but I think it's like at the very low end they're not chasing numbers. And then at the medium high end end they're trying, they have the freedom, I think, to sell things that are a little bit more niche and just aimed at engagement.

[Todd]

I mean, I hope that continues. I mean, you're right. There's some decent stuff at the bottom end. And I think, you know, I would like to think that now we were talking about earlier, now that there's so many cars that have broken the thousand horsepower number and so many of them are EVs, which are not about engagement anyway. It's just about how fast can we go. I'd like to think it creates a vacuum of stuff where we just go, okay, let's not worry about the number, let's just make something to. That's going cool. But the problem is that's such a niche market. Are you going to sell enough to make the R and D worth it. I mean, I love that the 86 exists in the Miata. I can't believe that those continue to stand up and be sold. But I do feel like we are reaching a tipping point where we can't just chase a higher horsepower number. Because it does. It's so fully irrelevant at this point.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I. I just wonder like, who is buying them in mass when we have this Vibes car. The new thousand.

[Paul]

Agreed.

[Todd]

It's gonna be really hard to get enough people to buy it.

[Matt Farah]

Who is buying that? And the reason that we have, you know, these really small outfits building these either Resto mods or that like that alpha thing that we drove, the Totem gt. You know, this stuff's really expensive, but it can be built in small volume for incredibly powerful, passionate people.

[Paul]

And.

[Matt Farah]

And it seems like every time. I mean, granted, no one has come out with like since the 86, no one's come out with like a really great, great, affordable sports car. Right?

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Todd]

Yeah. Agree. Yeah, agree. That's the last. That's the last production. Yes, for sure.

[Matt Farah]

For sure. Since then, like we don't really have much, but it's not like everyone like trying and there's been a whole bunch of terrible.

[Todd]

Right? Yes.

[Matt Farah]

They're just not really.

[Todd]

Because SUV sell, Matt. So we're gonna make another suv because we don't have one between like four and a half seats and five and a half seats. So there's one right there.

[Paul]

BMW has something for you.

[Todd]

Yeah, they do, for sure. They're like a coupe version of something. It doesn't matter.

[Matt Farah]

But like our infrastructure sucks and all, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Normally, like, you know, I'm driving this. This week I'm driving that Rivian outside around and I'm like, oh yeah, LA is like more like off roading than it is like, like the Nurburgring action.

[Todd]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Most of the time. And so that's why people are buying like this.

[Todd]

Totally. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Big Ben wants to know if Hooked On Driving has Canadian expansion plans.

[Paul]

Western Canada. What's the name of the track just north of 29?

[Matt Farah]

Area 27.

[Paul]

29. Was it area 27?

[Matt Farah]

27, that's on Vancouver Island.

[Paul]

That's it. That's right. Yeah. Just straight north. Big Ben, we have talked about that particular track. We've got a great Pacific Northwest franchise and they are making some noises about it. So no concrete plans yet. But I would just say watch this space right now because we're talking about it. They have expressed interest and I'm Glad that you are because. Yeah, that just shows. Shows interest. Really appreciate it.

[Matt Farah]

John Hennis. See you next Tuesday. How similar is buying a used watch to buying a used car? Can I buy a depreciated Speedmaster for a thousand dollars and it will work the same as a new one assuming it's serviced first off. If you see a Speedmaster master for $1,000. Stolen or fake.

[Todd]

Exactly.

[Matt Farah]

100.

[Paul]

Exactly. Right.

[Matt Farah]

Even the shittiest Speedmaster ever would be about 3, 500.

[Paul]

I was gonna say there's no $1,000.

[Matt Farah]

There's no such thing as a real 1,000.

[Paul]

Run away.

[Matt Farah]

It's a. It's a moon swatch. Actually.

[Paul]

That's true.

[Matt Farah]

You're being ripped off.

[Paul]

You can get four of those for that price.

[Matt Farah]

No. Yes and no. Can. There are watches. The vast majority of watches depreciate like the vast majority of cars. The vast majority of watches don't need nearly as much service or attention as a car. And so could you buy a two year old Omega or Tudor or Seiko or Rolex or whatever. And in some cases Rolex maybe not. But in some cases be depreciated and you can save some money and get a good watch like. Yes, absolutely. But if the price is that low, that's a shitter one way or the other.

[Paul]

Yeah. Run away from a thousand dollar Speed Master.

[Matt Farah]

That's either a scam or busted or something.

[Paul]

There's also. John, there's also a sense of pride into saving for something that you really want instead of getting it for super cheap. And you saved and you got it and it works and it's authentic and it's genuine and that is important.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. No, I mean like deal. There's deals. Getting a deal on something is all right.

[Paul]

Fine with that.

[Matt Farah]

It's a buyer's market right now for sure.

[Paul]

But not a Speedmaster for thousand dollars.

[Matt Farah]

But not a thousand dollars. Absolutely not. My Speed Master came in right before this show.

[Paul]

Oh yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It'S in the other room. It is.

[Todd]

I'll let you guys talk watches after.

[Paul]

See it?

[Todd]

Can't wait to sit quietly in the corner.

[Matt Farah]

You guys know Teddy Baldessar? That's the homie. Yeah.

[Todd]

He takes. He's the man. That is cool.

[Matt Farah]

Elon Musk. Elon Musk. Hiling a robo taxi. That's pretty fun. That would be a pretty funny T shirt. Trying to.

[Todd]

Yes. That's amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Fill your tires to the stock recommended pressures for road driving or do you make adjustments?

[Paul]

Use that door jam sticker. That is there for a reason. We Actually refer to it quite a lot when you're on track. Because when you are calculating your PSI for what you are comfortable driving on track, that is your baseline, that is the place to start. And then drop your pressures from there. That sticker exists for a reason. So yeah, regular road driving, I'd say say you can stick pretty close to that for cold temps and then personal preferences from there.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

What do the engineers know really?

[Todd]

Yeah, exactly. I don't know what that R and.

[Paul]

D. What do those people know?

[Matt Farah]

The only time I would maybe not go directly by that is if you're going from run flats to non run flats.

[Todd]

That's a very good, very good point.

[Paul]

Different. That's a different case.

[Matt Farah]

Consult your local forum. Yes, they know everything.

[Todd]

Yes, them or Reddit, I'm sure would.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, Rage against the Mach E. That's pretty.

[Todd]

Very good. Very good.

[Matt Farah]

You can only drive one car brand for the rest of your life. Any models, old or new. But you do have to pay for them. What brand are you picking? Porsche.

[Paul]

Porsche.

[Matt Farah]

This is not.

[Todd]

It's probably gonna be Porsche because. Because of the breadth of it. I mean, you know, because if I, because if I pick Lotus, I wind up in the Electra. The Electra SUV and the. No, I don't want to be there.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you have no dailies.

[Todd]

Yeah, that's a problem. You know. You know, I mean maybe Alpha, but I. Yeah, it's probably Porsche.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, if you were in Europe you could do that. You can't do that in America. Yeah, you know what I mean, you can be. Because in Europe you could be driving some like dope Alphas.

[Paul]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Yeah, for sure.

[Matt Farah]

For sure.

[Todd]

I mean I would totally.

[Paul]

Come on.

[Todd]

I would totally drive a quadrifolio 5 6.

[Matt Farah]

What's the very pretty rear wheel drive sedan the they did from like.

[Todd]

I think you're right.

[Matt Farah]

Late 90s, early 2000s. Zach Skrill. Ski for me, bruh. The Stig's Laotian cousin.

[Todd]

Very nice.

[Matt Farah]

Put a refundable deposit on the Prelude at my local dealer. I feel like it will be drive between a cross between the Civic Hybrid and the Si. Your take on the Prelude. Did you drive this thing?

[Todd]

Haven't driven it yet. We're very excited to drive it. We wanted to drive it. Yeah. I'm just very curious about it because when we drove the Civic Hybrid it was very funny. We drove the Civic Hybrid. At the end of that review, Paul starts building out the performance version he thinks is possible with the Hybrid as a base and the Prelude hadn't been announced Yet. And it's amazing how similar what he was dreaming of is what the Prelude is now. Of course there's lots of discussion of price. Where does it fit in the market, who's going to buy it? All of those things are tbd. I think Stig's location cousin is thinking correctly here. But I'm really curious who the buyer is for this car because I struggle with it on.

[Matt Farah]

Well, they sold 42 CRZs so they're going to start with those people.

[Todd]

Exactly. Those 42 are instantly gone and those are the rare. And also that proves you can have a hybrid manual. So why aren't there more of those? Separate problem. But the thing about the Prelude is I feel like if you want a coupe shape that's a hybrid, you can now just go Prius and save yourself money. If you want a great looking, fun to drive commuter, you're spending almost 45 grand with the Prius. It's going to be 43. 43, yeah. At that point.

[Matt Farah]

Everything's more expensive now.

[Todd]

Yeah, but you're close to the Civic Type R price. You can get a GTI loaded out, you can get a Golf R, you've.

[Matt Farah]

Got a lot of competition still like 29.

[Todd]

That's the thing. The Civic Type 2, right. About 30. Yeah, exactly. It's a 10. That's the hardest part.

[Matt Farah]

What, what is?

[Todd]

It's the other things you can get.

[Matt Farah]

For the price versus an Elantra N A Great question.

[Todd]

Yeah, that's my question mark on the car.

[Matt Farah]

Yep. Two Porsches, one cup. Okay, what, what items are great to keep in your daily driver's console? I don't keep in my cars because I'm always going car to card. Instead I have the man purse.

[Paul]

Purse.

[Matt Farah]

Man purse goes with me. And you know that has my things. Do you guys keep in your car Mints. Mints.

[Paul]

And that's it. No Altoids. Always Altoids. Yep, always Altoids.

[Matt Farah]

You know why I like an Altoid? Because when you finish the Altoids and then you put your weed in there, it's like a multi purpose. You get like a menthat vibe. There you go. All right.

[Todd]

I never thought about that.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

There you go.

[Matt Farah]

All righty. Especially like, like steamboat gondola. You know what I'm talking about?

[Todd]

I don't, no. It's all good though.

[Matt Farah]

You don't know about the gondola.

[Paul]

The gondola.

[Matt Farah]

You can put it together.

[Paul]

The gondola.

[Todd]

I'll get there.

[Paul]

Yes.

[Todd]

I'm with you. Charge cables is about the thing I keep in my Cars. That's about it. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Are you pro or anti? Wireless charging.

[Paul]

Anti.

[Matt Farah]

Anti.

[Paul]

Except for the Porsche, your car has a what?

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

The.

[Paul]

The wireless cooling vents to keep your phone cool.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, the tycon.

[Paul]

Yeah, the tyon.

[Matt Farah]

Right, the vents.

[Paul]

It's got. That's the only car with the vents.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's got to My only car.

[Paul]

I don't know of any other car that has vents to keep your phone cool on the phone heater.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it needs it, dude. Yeah. Wireless charging in this Rivian and I. My phone like was like burning. Yeah.

[Paul]

Thigh in my pocket afterwards for that reason alone. It's just. You're cooking your phone if that feels.

[Matt Farah]

Like really putting something radioactive very close to your testicles.

[Todd]

Yes, it does.

[Paul]

Exactly.

[Todd]

Terrifying.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Uli Kunkel's Autobahn. Oh boy. Will. Will. Digital id. Oh boy. This is. I mean. Okay, hang on. Will. Digital id, central bank currency and your social scores spell the end for the car industry? A lot happening here.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, dude.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

This segment will be brought to you by speculation.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, buy old cars, man. Yeah, just buy old. This country, no matter with any. The level of did will never legislate away. The 67PMustang. True.

[Todd]

Yeah, you're right.

[Matt Farah]

In America where you can't drive your old car down.

[Todd]

Yeah, that's fair point.

[Paul]

True.

[Matt Farah]

What's that movie the Last Drive where the guy has the Porsche 962 like. Or the Porsche like 908 hidden away?

[Todd]

Don't know the last.

[Matt Farah]

There's a movie, I don't know this movie where it's there. It's a post apocalyptic, you know, all total surveillance state kind of thing. And this old guy racing driver has like a Porsche 908, like 910 or can am car thing in a. In a warehouse somewhere and he like rips it across America with like being chased by, you know, the government.

[Todd]

So it's across of Vanishing Point and Mad Max.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, something like that.

[Todd]

Versions of those two. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, speaking of which, have we seen the sedans that the wealthy elite drive in the new Running man film? I. I need to see the new Running Man.

[Todd]

Yeah, it's decent.

[Paul]

Did you. I mean it's not amazing, but it's the original.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Todd]

Enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Enough that I was like, all right, let's see what they did this time. Took my son. It was pretty good.

[Matt Farah]

Has some fabulous LA location repurposing going on. It's really great. And Richard Dawson as the. The evil TV host. Yeah, yeah. Rolls up in that Maserati Quattro Porte limo.

[Paul]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Which is.

[Todd]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

That's hard as. Dude, this Guy's in a QP limo. Limo. 80s.

[Paul]

There's a wheel arch.

[Todd]

I saw an old Lagonda in the back of the. Of the new Running man movie. There's a new running. Yeah, yeah. They've done a lot of that.

[Matt Farah]

So is that what they're. Is that what he's talking about?

[Todd]

There's stuff like that going on with there where they've done what feels like 80s. They went back to 80s feel and they brought that stuff forward. Forward for the new stuff is what it feels like. You don't see a lot of. It also has that Tokyo. It also has that. It is. It has that Demolition man feel in some Gundam cars. As far as the cars are concerned. There's a little bit of that. You'll probably like it. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Demolition man. They just took GM's entire concept.

[Todd]

They did. They did. Yep. Yeah. But it has that feel.

[Matt Farah]

Take a. In my Demolition man bathroom.

[Todd]

I've heard the story. Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Dead fast, says.

[Todd]

Paul.

[Matt Farah]

Are air cooled cars worth it? A 993 C2 has an entry price of around 100k. Is it 100k experience?

[Paul]

No. No it's not. The problem is they're not going down from here.

[Matt Farah]

I mean that's so that's.

[Paul]

No, they're not.

[Matt Farah]

That's what I think a lot of people miss about the. Is it. When you're talking about the. Is it a this much experience.

[Paul]

You'Re.

[Matt Farah]

Usually got to be talking about new cars because with stuff like this, the part of the reason that's 100k is because so many people think that it won't go down.

[Paul]

It's true.

[Todd]

Absolutely.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. You know what I mean? People believe that. So if you buy it for 100k and you put 10,000 miles on it, people, the people in general the world is confident that you. That that car will still, you know. So like.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So you're not really. It doesn't cost you 100k to drive this car. Maybe it costs you 10 or 15 or maybe. Maybe you turn a profit. Profit one day you might.

[Todd]

Yeah. Yeah. If you hold a long enough it's.

[Matt Farah]

Like yes, that's it costs money to get in. But like you, you've only done half the math.

[Paul]

True.

[Todd]

But on the other end of the spectrum, if you're looking at it as what's the best driving experience. Did I spend 100k and get a driving experience better than I would have gotten somewhere else at 50k? Probably not everybody's perception.

[Matt Farah]

Driving experience is a completely unique driving.

[Todd]

It is.

[Matt Farah]

That question is always new. No, you cannot get this experience from anything else besides another air cooled.

[Todd]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Paul]

We all have to stop putting a dollar value on is. Is any new car worth this amount of money? Are there any new Porsches? Any of.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

It's so subjective. I mean, I tried to talk about in the RTR review I put up today, like there are going to be people that will say that's rad. And there's people, I think it's really expensive for that car. But when you do the math on like some of the competition or the predecessor, like it's actually pretty close. But it's always how much money do you have and how much are you willing to spend of that money on this experience? It's totally subjective. It's really hard to blow up the.

[Paul]

Budget on every car.

[Todd]

Every single car review.

[Paul]

It's just a slender $8,000 more than you were expecting to spend.

[Todd]

They asked for 50 and you sold them a $60,000 car. Yep.

[Paul]

Slim.

[Matt Farah]

That happens.

[Paul]

10 grand.

[Matt Farah]

I will not make it to old age. So I'm riding hard lean in now.

[Todd]

Like good lean in all.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I have a whole big don't touch it pile. And then I have a play. I do whatever the fuck you want pile and I play hard in that pile.

[Todd]

I love it. That's great.

[Matt Farah]

That's really the move.

[Todd]

That's excellent like that.

[Matt Farah]

I'm gonna go straight to Demerit Parkway because this is a very interesting one. Wait, hang on. Can you answer John's question real quick? Which power stop pads did you put.

[Paul]

On your Expedition Z36 truck and tow? For sure. Yeah. Because you've got a heavy one and Expedition is heavy, so definitely. John. Z36 truck and tow.

[Matt Farah]

Copy. Demerit Parkway says both of us talk about the importance of right tires for the conditions. What tires would you run on a cooled. Excuse me? I tried to say cooled. Cooler, but I said and then cold at the same time. Cooler. Track days where it might be below 40 degrees in the morning. Would you still run a summer tire but just take time to warm up properly before sending it? Yes, I. I would.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Yeah, definitely.

[Todd]

You've got. It's going to warm up. If the day is going to normally warm up. And why not run those tires? Yeah, you just got to be careful going out there. First thing they're going to be hockey pucks.

[Matt Farah]

Is anyone doing like a full on like winter track day?

[Todd]

No.

[Matt Farah]

I mean if you're on a racetrack Even if it's cold outside between. Between the contact patch and more importantly your brakes heating the wheels from the inside out, you're going to get a tire up to temperature. Temperature. If not on the warm up lap on lap two or three. Even if it's cold outside.

[Paul]

Yep.

[Todd]

Well yeah, if you're the first car.

[Matt Farah]

On the track, that's a different story.

[Todd]

Well, and when he's. Yeah, but he's also Talking about a 40 degree temperature day, we're not talking about driving and it's below freezing. Okay. That's a different animal. So 40° in the morning. Go out there on your normal tires. Day is going to get warmer. Car is going to get warmer. You'll be all right. Just take it easy.

[Paul]

Pressures too. Watch pressures.

[Matt Farah]

But if it's like below freezing, what you doing at the track?

[Todd]

What track day are we having? I totally agree. Exactly. Yes. For sure. There's a many other questions have to be answered. I totally agree. Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Micah Bam Bam Black says I want an incognito daily driver. I guess you mean luxurious.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Wait, wait. This question. I'm sorry, I should have read this first. This question makes. Makes no sense. Okay, this question makes absolutely no sense. If you were to be uber rich and want a daily driver that's incognito. Call it a 70k budget.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

I'm sorry but that 70k budget you're doing, well, you're not uber rich.

[Todd]

Fair.

[Matt Farah]

Right?

[Paul]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Uber rich is you need. You had a driver or some shit. Right.

[Todd]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Anyway, they. They think you get an ionic 6N so a stealth vehicle to be. To be driven in. I suppose. Right.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

It's not the Ioniq 6 because the.

[Matt Farah]

That has the weird lights.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Well in the roof in the back. Like when I sit in the back seat of that thing, like my legs have all the space with my head's touching the roof ceiling.

[Todd]

But are we being driven in this or are we driving it? If it's a daily. I kind of feel like this is. This is the daily hangout.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Look like an uber black driver.

[Matt Farah]

Maybe that's what he wants. Maybe he wants to. He's rich for an Uber Uber driver.

[Paul]

Escalade.

[Matt Farah]

Totally different thing. I'm Louisville rich. I'm uber rich. It's like I'm rich foreign uber driver.

[Todd]

I mean a cool car. 70k, that's not going to get a lot of notice is actually an M2.

[Matt Farah]

Oh.

[Todd]

Because unless you're a car enthusiast, it's just a BMW.

[Matt Farah]

And if you're a car and even.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Car enthusiasts don't want to look at it.

[Todd]

Exactly. See.

[Matt Farah]

Perfect.

[Todd]

Done. Excellent.

[Matt Farah]

I would say a Volvo XC60 with the real. With. With a bunch of nice options.

[Todd]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Loaded XC60 is an incred with air suspension.

[Todd]

That's good.

[Matt Farah]

Full interior. And the B O stereo is a very comfortable daily.

[Todd]

It is very nice. Yes.

[Paul]

I totally.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. That's good.

[Paul]

I like that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And even if you're uber rich, Addie Suresh. I want a cool wagon for 100k.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

A custom built M3 with a manual transmission.

[Todd]

Wow. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

An RS6 Avant or a Taycan Sport Turismo. This would be in addition to my current daily. A Carrera T that I would move to the weekends. I would get the Taycan if you can charge it at home.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Todd]

And I'm surprised. The Panamera, the actual Panamera is not included here at all.

[Matt Farah]

They don't make a wagon anymore. So you'd have to go used.

[Todd]

You'd have to go used.

[Paul]

But for 100k you get used.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

RS6s.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

But the F81 other people have them, right?

[Todd]

Fair. They're boring. Fair. Yeah. They're boring.

[Paul]

Fast boring.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Todd]

I mean I thought about. I think the, the 63 Mercedes should be included in here too. The E63. But I don't know that you'd like it more than the other things listed. And I really think that the Panamera should be included.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Paul]

That's good.

[Matt Farah]

I, I think, I think, I mean as someone who has a Taycan as a daily. Yeah. I struggle.

[Todd]

I know you like a better one. Yeah, I see that.

[Matt Farah]

I mean if you, I mean I'm driving this Rivian right now. I know they're, they're not known for their reliability, but it is quite a delight to drive. It's actually much more like a Range Rover than it is like a Explorer or.

[Todd]

I completely agree with that. Yeah.

[Paul]

What's the mileage on your Taycan currently?

[Matt Farah]

Now, Now I just hit 34,000.

[Todd]

Yes.

[Paul]

And you bought it with what, 26.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Paul]

So it was practically new.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I mean it, it had, it had a few. Yeah. Two year lease. It had a few signs of wear. It was definitely the, the lessor was definitely a guy who was like, this is a rental. Like he treated. Okay.

[Paul]

So like it needed.

[Matt Farah]

I had to do a couple little paintless dent removal, a couple of touch up paint. I had like, it was cheap because it was scruffy. Okay. And so like. But I fixed it for sure. Nothing. And so it's Fine. It's fine to me. But it like it. When I bought it, it definitely felt a little used and like. But it was so cheap. Cheap, like whatever.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Like the val, it's been 100 reliable and dependable. Other than the air conditioning. The air conditioning thing was weird.

[Paul]

What happened there?

[Matt Farah]

It turned out there actually was some kind of a bad valve that they did replace. But like every once in a while, if you would try to use on the app the pre climate, like so you go to shirt.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You make it cool or whatever. It would. The app would give an air and then when you got to the car to drive it, it would think the air conditioning was on, but it wouldn't blow cold air. It would just blow ambient. But it didn't throw an error code or anything. So I found out that you could reset it by doing a soft sleep cycle, which is just park the car, shut it off, walk away, lock it and get the fob out of range for like three minutes and then come back and it. That would. It would be back. So that happened like twice. Twice they fixed the valve thing. It hasn't happened since under warranty. So like that's the only reliability thing that's happened. All right, fine. No big deal.

[Todd]

Whatever.

[Paul]

And you're fine now. You're great.

[Todd]

Yeah, that's cool. Seems like a great deal.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's lovely.

[Paul]

Those are cool.

[Matt Farah]

We are starting to see more Lane Myers Manx says we're starting to see more manual swaps into cars that were never offered as manual. Like to 2000s Mercedes. If cost and feasibility were no object, what car never offered with a manual would you swap and why?

[Todd]

How about the Alpha Julia Quadrifoglio? Yep, that'd be really cool. With a manual.

[Matt Farah]

That would be fun.

[Paul]

Or just ship them over from Europe.

[Matt Farah]

They made it with a manual or.

[Paul]

No, they didn't make that.

[Matt Farah]

It was just.

[Todd]

I don't think they offered a manual.

[Paul]

The base car in manual.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Do that one.

[Todd]

There you go.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

A110, your favorite.

[Todd]

Yeah, there you go. How about. Absolutely new.

[Paul]

How about a new.

[Todd]

But no, I think a Quadrifoglio with a. With a manual. Be awesome. It's good.

[Matt Farah]

I'd like to see a Ferrari 458.

[Todd]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Speciale.

[Todd]

Yeah, there you go.

[Paul]

The 360 Challenge.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Manual swaps. Do you know what those cost now with the manual swap, they're 400 plus.

[Matt Farah]

What are they without a manual swap? Are they more?

[Paul]

Is it less significantly, like a hundred grand less?

[Matt Farah]

I'd rather. I'd rather If I was gonna do. I'd rather just build that myself.

[Paul]

I agree.

[Matt Farah]

You could do it yourself. Yeah.

[Todd]

For a lot less money.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I wouldn't want something like that. You don't want like some provenance car. You want a car because 360s are so fun to beat the snot out of and you do not. They're boring to baby. You want to be able to rip one.

[Paul]

You want to rip.

[Matt Farah]

You don't want provenance. You want to just. You want disposable Johnny EV gear. Berman NC Miata or Pontiac Solstice GXP Miata.

[Paul]

I'm going nc.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Todd]

The. The Solstice and. And Saturn sky redline. Both of those are. I so wish GM had done a second gen. They were so close. They were there and they're cool and they're a lot. They're much better car for the money than you think they are. I think they're overlooked and underappreciated. Having said that, the nc, which was the unloved Miata and it's one of the rare ones I actually fit in. The reality is those were unsung for a while. Now they're on the rise. There are parts like crazy. People are tuning them into monsters. Anything you want to do to that car is available. And if something goes wrong on your solstice or Saturn, you're going to be in real trouble trying to solve it.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

Right.

[Todd]

So all of that is the nc, the flying Miata.

[Matt Farah]

NC carb legal turbo.

[Todd]

Yes. Which we did. Yes. I think you guys drove the heavy duty. When we drove the. The more. The more simple one. There's like two levels of power. We drove the white one.

[Matt Farah]

A white one, black roof.

[Todd]

We drove Jordans. So maybe it was Jordan. Yeah. That's phenomenal.

[Matt Farah]

So good.

[Todd]

I mean it felt stock power was amazing. But there's just so much you can do to those cars now. And seriously, just body panels on the solstice and the Saturn are hard. So. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Anyway, body panels, they're not something you wanted to get into with a car that's not that expensive. Finding body panels.

[Todd]

Yeah, for sure.

[Matt Farah]

Oh wow. Good questions today guys.

[Todd]

Great stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Thank you guys for coming in.

[Todd]

Awesome.

[Paul]

Thank you.

[Todd]

I know it's last minute. Thrilled to be really cool to see you.

[Matt Farah]

And we actually were going to do a show today anyway. Just instead of a show with me and him, it became a show with you guys.

[Todd]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

Which is lovely.

[Todd]

Thanks for having us.

[Matt Farah]

Next time, dinner.

[Todd]

Be great.

[Matt Farah]

We love that.

[Todd]

Appreciate the offer. Thank you.

[Matt Farah]

Maybe if it rains we can watch the garbage can slide down.

[Paul]

Hey, you know what do you guys.

[Todd]

Do for fun in LA that's fantastic. Wait till the rain. The weekend we had in la.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

If you watch trash go down down the street.

[Matt Farah]

You rich guy. Have you guys heard we're coastal elites. You want to drink beer and watch the trash can slide down the freaking hill.

[Todd]

Instagram gold right there. I love it but I'm it's great stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Speed math.

[Todd]

Awesome.

[Paul]

Don't want to know. I want to drive your car. I don't think we have time today.

[Todd]

Also you don't have budget today to.

[Paul]

Drive your because it's going to sell me.

[Matt Farah's Friend/Producer]

It crushed my dreams too. 22 grand.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's up. It's up. How it happens.

[Todd]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And then you have to paint your pink. It's a gold thing.

[Paul]

You have to what?

[Matt Farah]

Paint it pink.

[Paul]

Oh well I've got the gentian blue.

[Matt Farah]

Gentian blue. He's quite prescar provenance.

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Hey, can you be your car wasn't the best car? No, you should question all gentian blue.

[Todd]

That's very funny. That's very funny.

[Matt Farah]

Car in Porsche is j.

[Paul]

That's okay.

[Matt Farah]

I love it. I think it's awesome. Of course. Everyday Everyday driver dot com. Hooked on driving dot com. What are the Is there a special one for the road trips or is that within the everyday One of those.

[Todd]

Two would get you there.

[Matt Farah]

Anyway, you know where to find all these guys.

[Todd]

We love them.

[Matt Farah]

Paul and Todd. Thanks for coming guys. See you all later. Bye.