Replica or Recreation?; THAT New Car Law; GT500 Review

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast: "Replica or Recreation?; THAT New Car Law; GT500 Review"

Hosts: Matt Farah, Zack Klapman
Date: May 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Matt and Zack take their podcast on the road—recording from inside a Revology 1967 Shelby GT500 "recreation"—to discuss what makes modern re-creations and replicas different, review the GT500, give updates on their personal car projects, debate new driver-monitoring legislation, and answer listener questions. The tone is energetic, genuine, and peppered with humor as they move between hands-on reviews, industry news, and behind-the-scenes stories from the automotive world.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Driving the Revology 1967 GT500 Recreation

[02:00 - 26:00]

• Impressions: Both hosts are blown away by how refined, fast, and user-friendly this brand-new GT500 feels, compared to both originals and typical restomods.
  • "This car is the titties...the bodacious tatas...the delightful bazongas." — Matt ([02:00])
  • "I've never heard you speak this fondly about any car from the 60s that wasn't from Germany." — Zack ([02:32])
• Build Quality: They praise its engineering and comfort, noting the absence of usual classic car rattles and flaws but critique certain details (e.g., brake pedal feel, cheap interior switches, slightly high seating position).
  • "Dynamically, nine out of ten... brakes that are super confidence inspiring would make it a ten." — Matt ([03:12], [03:47])
  • "There's like four things that are surprisingly cheap feeling when so many other things feel expensive." — Zack ([10:57])
• Driving Experience: The Revology GT500 provides most of the old-school "muscle car vibe"—sound, presence, attention from bystanders—while being civilized enough to daily drive or road trip comfortably.
  • "This is the way I want all muscle cars to drive...I'd daily it." — Matt ([15:06]–[15:21])
  • "It shines at that. Open sweeper life, drive to Palm Springs, rip up PCH...the drive experience is great." — Matt ([15:50]–[16:15])
• What Makes It Unique: The car is built from scratch—it's neither a restored original nor a basic copy—and is licensed by Shelby. Mechanically it's closer to a modern Mustang but keeps the proportions and character of the original.
  • "It’s the right size. All the proportions are right." — Zack ([14:09]–[14:15])
• Price and Value: At $380,000, it's much more than most typical replicas or even many originals, inviting debate about what buyers want out of these cars.

Notable Quote:

"It really is how I would prefer all muscle cars drove. If all muscle cars drove like this, I'd like muscle cars." — Matt ([11:28])

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2. Restomod, Replica, Recreation, or Continuation?

[51:39 - 55:18]

• Definitions Debated: The difference between a “replica,” “recreation,” and “continuation” car is discussed. The Revology GT500 is labeled a recreation due to its modern internals and Shelby licensing but no original '67 Shelby parts.
  • "Is this car a fake?" — Matt ([51:39])
  • "It uses that creative term continuation...I think they've continued to develop it and build it, so it lands somewhere in the gray area for me." — Zack ([51:57])
• Authenticity vs. Improvement: They note that some recreations (like Revology’s) cost more and are objectively better in quality than originals, making the replica/continuation debate murky.
  • "It's a replica, but it's more, you know, it's an improvement in many ways." — Matt ([53:41])
  • "Better because it's not genuine." — Both ([54:00])
• Audience Perception: Public reaction to high-end recreations is more positive compared to typical replicas because of the level of quality and Shelby endorsement.

Notable Quote:

"Let us know in the comments—do you think it's a replica, a continuation, or is continuation just the white-washed word for replica?" — Zack ([55:13])

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3. Updates on Project Cars

[26:26 - 28:50], [39:23 - 41:41]

• Project Mercedes: Typical project car woes—worn bushings, custom bracing, and minor chassis damage found during restoration. Matt shares the importance of using proper jacking and tie-down points.
  • "All bushings are shot... some underbody bracing must be custom made... someone tore out part of the unibody by strapping it down wrong." — Matt ([26:26]–[27:56])
• Taycan Service: Multiple software recalls to be addressed, plus a squeaky air suspension—just needs some lube.
  • "That's the first bit of actual warranty work." — Matt ([41:00])

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4. Racing Techniques: Tommy Kendall’s Secret

[32:43 - 35:56]

• Skip-Shift Experiment: Tommy Kendall reveals that instead of blipping and downshifting through every gear for every corner, skipping directly to the necessary gear at the apex saves braking distance and time—a secret at the pro level.
  • "Instead, what he would just do is... right as he turned into the apex, give it one small blip, and skip straight from 5 to 2, and that would save him 50 meters of braking. That’s crazy." — Matt ([34:08])
• Mental Bandwidth: This technique reduces cognitive load under extreme braking, which is vital for high-level racing.

Notable Quote:

"To go from intermediate to advanced is to nail those four downshifts in a row... to go to expert is to question if you need them." — Matt ([35:24])

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5. Debating the New Driver Monitoring Law

[42:01 - 47:18]

• Law Overview: By 2026/27, new US cars may need passive driver monitoring systems (infrared/AI cameras) to determine fatigue or impairment, potentially interlocking the car’s ability to drive.
  • "The goal is...a system with infrared cameras that monitor the driver and can tell if you're sleepy or inebriated." — Zack ([42:31])
• Feasibility & Concerns: Current technology can't reliably distinguish impairment versus normal behavior; false positives are a big worry.
  • "NHTSA says that no technology is capable of doing this accurately." — Zack ([45:29])
  • "What if you're in a state of huge fear? Your pupils dilate...would the car not turn on?" — Zack ([43:28])
  • "I find it difficult to believe that this country would accept a car that refuses to start just on suspicion." — Matt ([43:49])
• Comparison to Breathalyzers: They suggest if the intention is to stop drunk driving, a breathalyzer is already a proven (if imperfect) method.

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6. Patreon Listener Q&A

[49:48 - End]

Wide-ranging automotive questions are tackled, including:

• Collector Car Market: Will boomer collections tank pre-war and 50s car values? Likely, due to lack of next-gen interest and glut of supply ([50:02]).
• Replica vs. Genuine: See in-depth discussion above ([51:39 - 55:18]).
• Best Mods and Car Build Advice ([66:05]):
  • Avoid over-stiff suspensions and too-loud exhausts for canyon cars.
  • Swapping only the driver's seat to a fixed bucket: "Trashy for poor people, baller for Jensen Button" ([66:32]).
• Engine Configurations:
  • V10 to V12, V6 to V8—most engines sound and feel better with cylinder count tuned to balance/performance, with inline-6s being especially beloved ([56:11]).
• Value of RHD Cars in the US:
  • Left-hand drive is always worth more; novelty is outweighed by inconvenience ([70:16]).
• Old Sports Car Picks for $100k:
  • Austin Healey, Jaguar XKE, air-cooled 911, classic Mini, early Corvette, and Nissan Skyline R32 all mentioned ([64:22]).
• Automatic vs. Manual Sports Cars:
  • Automatics like Nissan Z Nismo and Mustang Dark Horse hold up fine on performance and value, even for enthusiasts ([63:06]).
• Track Day Insurance & Mid-Ohio Advice ([74:31]):
  • "Yes, you absolutely can get track day insurance...Mid Ohio is amazing, but if it rains, God help you."
• What Makes a Drift Car?:
  • Oversized engines in too-light chassis can tip the balance, with each car having its own threshold ([76:22]).

Memorable Moments

• Fart-filled Performance Car of the Year road trip stories ([58:12]).
• A brief, candid reflection on Daytona being "a pretty shitty place" except for the racetrack ([80:19]).

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Highlights & Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• "This car is the titties...the official term." — Matt ([02:00])
• "If all muscle cars drove like this, I’d like muscle cars." — Matt ([11:28])
• "Is this car a fake?" — Matt ([51:39])
• "To go to expert is to question if you need [sequential downshifts]." — Matt ([35:24])
• "NHTSA says no technology is capable of doing this accurately." — Zack ([45:29])
• "Trashy for poor people, baller for Jensen Button." — Matt on driver's seat bucket swaps ([66:41])
• "Daytona's only bad if you weren't at Lollipops in the late aughts." — Matt ([80:20])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Revology GT500 review & comparison: [02:00–26:00]
• Personal project car/progress updates: [26:26–28:50], [39:23–41:41]
• Restomod & replica debate: [51:39–55:18]
• Racing technique – Tommy Kendall’s skip-shift: [32:43–35:56]
• Driver monitoring law discussion: [42:01–47:18]
• Listener Q&A (Patreon): [49:48–end]
• Collector car market insights: [50:02–51:07]
• Best old sports cars for $100k: [64:23–65:51]
• Track insurance & Mid Ohio tips: [74:31–76:11]

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Conclusion

This episode is a masterclass in blending hands-on car critique, technical and historical digressions, and lively debate on automotive culture and regulation. The in-car format adds authenticity and immediacy to their GT500 review. Whether you’re curious about replica definitions, worried about future 'nanny' laws, or seeking honest advice on modding your own car, this episode delivers with sharp wit and deep knowledge—making it prime listening for car enthusiasts.

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Transcript

[A]

What up, everybody?

[B]

Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode is brought to you, as always, by off the Record. We love off the Record here at the Smoking Tire because they're looking out for us just like they're looking out for all of you. And how do I know they're looking

[A]

at out for all you?

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Because not a week goes by that I don't hear from two or three of you folks that off the Record, saved your bums.

[A]

What does that mean?

[B]

It means you didn't plead guilty. You got off the [e-mail] TST they fought the ticket for you and they won. And everyone else out there, you can do it too. If you get a moving violation. Don't plead guilty. Get off the record. That's offtherecord.com TST they will fight that ticket for you in the vast majority of times, they will win. And then you'll be emailing me that screenshot of the dismissal that we are all looking for one more time offtherecord.com tv ST and on this episode of the Smoking Tire Podcast, we are driving a Revology GT500. This is a 1967 Shelby that contains no parts from 1967. Very interesting. Plus, I have an update on the Project Mercedes, a secret racing technique from Tommy Kendall that I'm now practicing in my free time. The new driver monitoring bill. And what is the difference between a replica and a recreation? That's today on the Smoking Tire.

[A]

Hi, everybody. Shout out to the captain and this cyclist. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast on motion en route.

[C]

A car podcast from a car.

[A]

Somebody should do a car show in a car.

[C]

Someone should do that. Maybe with coffee involved. Yeah, this is a new idea.

[A]

I just saw some, like, AI Slop Instagram thing that was all.

[B]

Someone sued Seinfeld for a hundred million

[A]

dollars for stealing that idea, which may be true, but it still came from AI Slob Instagram content. If it's a little loud in here, that's because we're in the Revology 1967 GT500. And it's the titties. I. I think is an. The official term is this car is the titties. It's the. It is the bodacious tatas. It is the delightful bazongas.

[C]

I don't think I've ever heard you speak this fondly about any car from the 60s that wasn't from Germany because.

[A]

Right. And that's because unboxing vehicles is very difficult. Right. And that's why most people don't do it. But like this company just built a whole new one from scratch.

[C]

Yeah. They use modern engineering.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And they, they heard everyone's complaints from 60 years ago and whatever. And then they go, all right, how do we make it look exactly the same, but get rid of all those rattles and problems and stuff. And they've done an absolutely phenomenal job.

[A]

Yeah, it's fucking stellar, dude. And there's, you know, there's a couple of things that are not maybe into my eye touch, not quite up to the. This one is $380,000 price tag, but dynamically, nine out of ten.

[C]

Yeah. I think for what it is, it's like it's a 9 out of 10. There's a few things. The brake pedal being too soft at the top.

[A]

That's what I would say could make it a 10.

[C]

That would make it a 10.

[A]

Brakes that are like super conf. Inspiring.

[C]

It just feels like the beginning of the pedal is moving but. But doing zero right. And then it comes into play later and they, they seem to grab all right.

[A]

It's not hard to stop the car. It's just hard to heal toe because that. The spot where this pedal is dead is the spot where you need your toe to be in order to heal. Yeah. Cuz my toe is too far down once I get to actual brake pressure.

[C]

Oh, I got you. You're too far down the travel.

[A]

I've got, I've got to come back now. You know what I mean? But like, that notwithstanding, like, there's just so many things I enjoy about this because the body still moves like Those cars in 60s chase scenes move a little bit, but like in a much more controlled way. Like more controlled, more predictable, more grip. And the steering is like. I don't know, I. I assume the ratio is different from when it was stock, but there's just virtually no slop in it. And something about this wood rimmed like Nardi steering wheel just makes me so happy. Especially in the city when I can like palm wheel it a bit. I feel cool as dude.

[C]

It makes you feel very, very cool. And I think that's what, that's what muscle cars used to do for me is they made me feel tough because it's got like a good deep growl to it all the time. And it's right, you know, it's like the bad guy's car or whatever. Or in this case, it's the good guy's car.

[A]

Like usually you'd have to put up with a car being kind of a box in order to get that attitude of cool. But like this one, like it. It's not. That's nice. It's not. It's not rattly or shaky or like it. It essentially rides and feels and in most ways is kind of like a new Mustang. But to the things I touch isn't. It's sweet.

[C]

And most of the things you see look old.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean with the exception of like the stereo and some other things we could get to. But if you like, if you turn the stereo off and the AC off and you're on the highway at 70, I feel like the noise is almost as quiet as a new Mustang. New Camaro. You just get a little whistle off these side scoops that do nothing, which is silly. They pass through or they're just a pocket that catches air and slows you down.

[A]

It's really funny to think about the scoops to nowhere and. And we really only ever gave it much thought for the first time. Or at least I only did like to take day like in the late 1960s. They've just won, you know, Le Mans with the GT 40s that have those trademark side scoops. Here's this front engine car that absolutely does not need them. But they could capitalize on the styling familiarity of them. How funny.

[C]

That's true. And I think I used to. I used to talk a lot of crap about some of the aftermarket companies that would stick on scoops.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I'd go, these are so dumb. They're non functional. I didn't realize at the time that these cars from the 60s had non functional scoops. Now I'm curious. I wonder if the race cars, if they cut a hole and then they would like cool the diff or they could send cold air to the brakes. But obviously the road cars like the GT500 back in the day was the 911 Turbo S like it was the most expensive one. It was kind of a gentleman's car.

[A]

Aggressive Miata behind me. I'm gonna give them a point buy as soon as I.

[B]

Cat.

[A]

Sorry. Yeah, no, go ahead.

[C]

The GT500, it was just. It was the most expensive one. It was fast, but it wasn't a like canyon track car. That was the GT350s job.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So they're not going to have, you know, diff coolers coming from the scoops. But to your point, they want to peacock a bit.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's also the 60s where you got things like the judge, like everything. Then everything was a cartoon. Graphics. Yeah, Scoops, everything was a cartoon. And Trying. It was all tatas trying to draw attention.

[A]

That's awesome. That is. That was dope. Classic cop car murdered out Caprice with NASCAR steel.

[C]

That's really cool.

[A]

That's a man of taste.

[C]

I hope it handles and drives well.

[A]

Yeah, but so Revology, this company, and by the way, I, I should say, and there's going to be a disclaimer in the video, I financially benefit by Revology keeping their press cars at wccs. They store them there. They pay my business to store them. And so this, this is a company that I do earn money from by renting them space for their press cars. Okay, so if you think that invalidates what I'm saying about the car, I understand. That's fine. I have a conflict of interest. They'll sell you essentially the same powertrain and performance package across their whole model line. Manual or automatic, N A or supercharged, but with any body from the 1960s. So you can have your 65 convertible or coupe, narrow wheels, total sleeper with the blower all the way up to your boss 429s and your GT5 hundreds and everything in between. And the prices sort of vary from like the middle two hundreds to the high three hundreds. And this is pretty much at the top tier of what they do. Yeah, but if you're listening, listen. Oh, yes, it's very, very nice.

[C]

Well, also, if people are worried that, you know, your, your words have been bought and paid for. You pointed out a lot of negatives in our video review we shot you actually, we did a breakaway where you point out all the things you don't like about the interior. I didn't do it. Matt did it.

[A]

There are a few things. These switches which are in my peripheral constantly, which are the wind, the inner window switches because you have on the door those fake window cranks switches which are cool. But then there's a redundancy switch on the dash. And that redundant switch is like straight up Radio Shack.

[C]

It's Radio Shack and it's right, you know, in front of the shifter and you know, but like what we have for people listening, the whole center console is brushed aluminum. So it's very bright. And it's very obvious when suddenly there's two black rectangles that look like they come off a boat.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And that's what rolls the window down. So that looks terrible. And then above it we have a, a doubled in ST stereo. That doesn't look good. Look, the graphics are gold, but it's also slightly at an angle. Like it's not mounted. It's not squared off with the rest of the dash.

[A]

That's not great.

[C]

And it's so. It's just. There's a. There's like four things that in this car are surprising. Like surprisingly cheap feeling or looking when so many other things look and feel expensive. Like the H vac controls are awesome. Like it feels like metal. The slide action is really nice. The gauges are beautiful. The metal work here on the dash is awesome. And then, you know, you go to put the window down.

[A]

The top half. The top of the dash is fabulous.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The bot of the center console, not so much.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But the driving is awesome.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

It's. It's like. It really is how I would prefer all muscle cars drove. If all muscle cars drove like this. I'd like muscle cars.

[C]

I think this is what a lot of the restomod pro touring community was after.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But they were trying to do it, you know, the first step.

[A]

The old car.

[C]

Well, yeah, because that's what you had. So the first step was subframes. Right. And that would allow you to get different suspension or steering racks against the car.

[A]

There it goes.

[C]

Somebody had a bad day, someone had a bad morning.

[A]

This was messy.

[C]

Yeah. Around here.

[A]

Yeah, Go on.

[C]

And then, you know, the next step was like an Art Morrison chassis. You get a full chassis in there and that's going to allow you to have a much more rigid platform. The suspension you put on will. Will benefit more. But this is obviously the nth degree. You have a whole new unibody, you know, engineered as perfectly as you can. And I think it really speaks. It really comes through in your hands. And the way it handles, the way it corners, like it's really. It's great. What does this guy do?

[A]

Moving out of the way for us like a kind gentleman. Everybody loves this car. Yeah, everybody. Thumbs up. Did you see the guy going the other way on the big bagger bike?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Give me a fucking hell yeah, brother. Everybody loves this thing. I parked it outside blue bottle. Got myself a shaker auto yesterday afternoon. Dude. Every man stopped and took the. Took a picture.

[C]

Yeah. And across every age demo at first glance.

[A]

I mean not even at first glance. At most glances this looks like to the untrained eye, just a beautifully restored 67.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Like it, it. It. Cuz it's. It's not. It's not like resto modded. It doesn't have like extra louvers or extra anything or reshape this. Like it looks like you think it's supposed to look like you're expecting. But then underneath,

[C]

kind of. It drives like a new gt.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, with like a track pack. But then when you get out it, the proportions are still right and the size is still correct for the old car. And we saw a car up at Good Vibes this morning where they tried to take an old shaped body and put it on a new car and they had to stretch all the proportions. Because you're taking a car that was made 60 years ago when everything was. When those cars were smaller, you can't do that. The proportions will not translate. You can't just scale up.

[A]

That was brutal, dude.

[C]

Yeah, it look, it didn't. It just completely changed the shape of the car. So this is accurate because it's the right size.

[A]

Yeah. All the proportions are right.

[C]

And.

[A]

And because it's not. It's not fully a new gt underneath, it's a new gt. As far back as the gearbox, the rear end is a solid rear axle with a Watts link. So it's not like overly modernized. It still kind of drives like a muscle car, just a much more like, refined one.

[C]

Yeah. I think we get about 85%.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Of what the muscle car vibe is. And the other 15 of that comes from things that most people see as negatives.

[A]

Right.

[C]

You know, if you're a muscle car fan, which I am, I grew up with one in high school. You know, imperfections, rattles, smells, the sound, all that stuff. Like, you kind of come to like that, but only because it's what you have. It's the price you have to pay.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And so this doesn't have all those things. And it's a little quieter in here. And you. I think you lose a little bit of the violence, the romantic violence that old cars have. But the benefit is I would drive this across the country.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean. And I would daily it. Yeah.

[A]

Are you suggesting this is not violent? Oh, my God. That's so fast.

[C]

It's very fast.

[A]

It's so fast.

[C]

This is faster than any old thing I've ever driven because I. The power just gets down. It's put down to the wheels. You look at the speedo. And again, speaking of the refinement, it's so quiet and smooth in here that when I looked down at the speedo earlier, I was like, oh, I'm going that fast. Like, that's thing. That's what German cars do.

[A]

It's. It's not a 1010 car. Right. It. I'm not inspired to take it, like, to a track day, per se. Although somebody might. I'M not, I'm not inspired to do that. But like, dude, this open sweeper life, the drive to Palm Springs life, the rip it up PCH to for car week life. I am seriously about.

[C]

You know, I think it, it shines at that. I think there's just, there's too much metal under the hood to handle really good for a track day. Like when we were going up to good vibes, I think I hit like the 810 line and then you start to see the lean in the front.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

In the corners. It's just a lot of weight. If I was going to get one of these, I'd probably just get the NA engine right, save some weight. It's still going to be really fast. Going to sound almost the same. And what's funny is in this car, you don't really hear the blower wine, but when out outside of the car, you hear a ton of it.

[A]

Yeah.

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[A]

This car the 500 comes with the blower standard. You get the GT350 is the NA version of it. But you also lose the funky side scoops, which good. I would say that's a. That's a net positive. I think my favorite body style that I've seen so far is the 70 boss 302, which has the updated interior and the high back seats. Yeah, I prefer that. Just preference. But also I saw. Saw a Shelby GT350 66 that was absolutely delectable. And those have a slightly different interior to this one as well. But the door slam on these things is like a modern car, and I absolutely love that. And the effort is barely more than driving a modern car. And I love that. But it's just like. Yeah, it drives kind of like a new gt, but like. Rawr.

[C]

Yes, It's.

[A]

It's not. It's not as. It's not. It doesn't have all the sound insulation. You hear a little more of what's going on.

[C]

Well, you see more. I mean, like the A pillars are small. Like the gts are huge these days.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So this, I think this is like, if you close your eyes, you get a lot of new GT, but when you open them, obviously you get 67 GT 500 and the size.

[A]

Would you at this stop sign, por favor, please double check that the hood is latched properly. I'm looking at it and it just.

[C]

Is it wiggling?

[A]

It's not wiggling, but it. It doesn't look like it's quite lined up. And you just take it. Is yours through your shirt? Yeah, sorry.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. Sorry. Yeah. Good opportunity to have a sip of water. That's good. Yeah. All right, cool. Okay. It is latched. Okay. It. Okay. There's just, I guess, slight, very slight hood misalignment, but in a way that if it. Like that looks like it could have been, you know, and I didn't want to find out the hard way.

[C]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

So anyway.

[C]

Jump on the highway.

[A]

I love. I love the gauge. The G. The whole gauge cluster. I absolutely am vibing with. Yeah, I. I love the amount of space, the leg room, the fact this rear seat folds down and you have the. A huge hatchback. You could put like a drum kit back.

[C]

Well, I think there's speakers between. There's the wall, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So if you didn't have this speakers, you could. The only other negative is like, I think these seats, they just don't work for me. Like, they. They sit too high up. But they're manual sliders, so. It's almost like they took an electric seat and they used the stock bracket that came with it, but then they use a manual slider because it just seems like there's a ton of dead space under it. And so I'm just sitting a lot higher than I'd like to be, you know, I don't know if that's where like this thing is, you know? 380. It's not 700. A million. And that's why if you compare it to cars that are that expensive. Yeah. Singer stuff. Gunther. Like all. Everything should be perfect because it costs all the money in the world. But I think. I don't know. A Sparco seat with a little better shape, mounted lower. I don't know. What's that? $2,000? Like, if you're spending 380. All right, charge me 385.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And just give me a different low back seat that has a better contour for it.

[A]

I agree. I don't, I don't. I think this seat isn't great. And I would like one with a little more side bolstering or something. I mean, you can make it look right.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And still have a little bit more support.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

But in the important bits, the dynamics, the tightness, the quality.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

I mean, it's like a 95 out of 100.

[C]

I agree.

[A]

It's. It's a. It's. Yeah. It's a brake pedal feel away from being a 99, you know.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But whoever did the damping, bravo.

[C]

Yeah. The suspension is fabulous. And then on the highway, it's good too. Like it soaks stuff up pretty well, but it's not too floaty.

[A]

I want to go do 2, 000 miles in this. Like I'm gonna ask them for to take one on a roaded track trip. I think it'd be kick ass. I don't think there's cruise control there. Wouldn't be.

[C]

Right?

[A]

Probably not.

[C]

No, probably not.

[A]

I love this corner load up the front end. And actually a lot of times when you upsize the stock wheels, they don't look very good. But I think this wheel going from a 15 to a 17, it still looks pretty good.

[C]

Yeah, it does. It fills the well well enough, but. But again, it's like the body didn't grow too much.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So I think that helps. And there's still enough. There's enough sidewall. I think when you get into 18s. Yeah. Or beyond on old cars, when you start rubber band tiring it, then it doesn't look very good.

[A]

Yeah, 18s are no good at all. That's why we're doing 17s on the Benzito. Oh, I have an update. Update from Matt Quick down there in Quick Classics and Nashville. A few things of interest he found upon in further inspection of the Benzito. One, probably could have guessed it, but all bushings are shot. No, no shocker. Weird shocker. All bushings are shot. And two, he forgot that the. The Mercedes convertibles have some supplemental underbody bracing versus the sedans. And so he has to take off the bracing and make a new bracing that will clear the Super Sprint exhaust. Oh, so that's a. That's a thing he said. Nbd. No problem. Can do. But that was a surprise. And then the. The one that was actually a surprise is that at some point, I don't know whether it was this time, last time, or another time, somebody strapped the car down incorrectly onto. Can we turn the fan down? Strapped the car down on a truck wrong. And tore out part of the, like, unibody somehow. Whoa. And so he said, it's like, not a huge deal. You just, like weld it back together and either he can do it or Sean can do it it, but, like, that's a thing.

[C]

Wow. That's why, you know, jacking at the right place is important. Anchoring at the right place is strapping

[A]

cars down on trailers and transporting. Ah, see, I. I just got a hell yeah, brother from the guy on that bike, too.

[C]

I mean, everybody likes that.

[A]

Everybody loves this stuff.

[C]

That's what's fun about. Even if you're driving an old car that costs no money, it's just people, they have a great response to it. They look cool. I don't know, movies, whatever it is, but it tends to make people feel good. All you need is like, you know, a little glug, glug, glug.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And you feel kind of awesome.

[A]

No. And. And, and they. This is. This is all of that vibe, but with, like, you know, confidence through all of the things where you would not have confidence.

[C]

Right.

[A]

In an. In an old car.

[C]

Yeah. You know, a lot of the old ones, you. You drive to cars and coffee and that's it. Because you're worried something's going to break.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Or it's uncomfortable. And this has none of those considerations.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

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[A]

Zach has researched, and the embargo thing is such that our embargo evoluto video will come out tomorrow. If you're listening to this normal release day, so go watch that on YouTube, please. It's. It's a thing where you give them a Ferrari 355 and $770,000, and you get back a crazy thing. Yeah, a real crazy thing.

[C]

One of the most beautiful cars ever made, and then they changed it. Perfect, right?

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

So worth watching.

[A]

How about. Can we talk for a second? When Zach and I were in the car with Tommy Kendall going back to the airport from the race, and Tommy was talking about his skip shifting technique. Yeah, that was very interesting. So conventional wisdom and Ayrton Senna is that as you're downshifting to go into a corner, you go, vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom. Five, four, three, two. Right? And Tommy did an experiment in, like, the 90s where he tried to break to make it for the corner without doing the blips. Just. Just breaking enough to make the corner and then breaking while doing the blips, and realize that he was losing valuable time by doing the blips. Like, he could break 50 meters later for the corner if he wasn't doing, you know, three downshifts, which, you know, in a. In an IMSA or Trans Am race is very big deal. And so instead, what he would just do is just slam on the brakes, you know, from fifth or whatever, and then right as he turned into the apex, give it one small blip, because by now you're going much slower and just shove it in second, right. And Skip straight from 5 to 2, and that would save him 50 meters of braking. That's crazy.

[C]

Well, yeah, it's. It really highlights for me how precise the racing drivers have to be at that level. I mean, at any level, if you want to be the best or win, like 50 meters. 50 meters at 100 miles an hour is a millisecond.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You're covering so much ground, so it almost. To me, at times, it goes, oh, what's the big difference? But, like, the difference is who's Getting to that corner first, you know who's getting out of that corner first. And that adds up and you win the race. But it makes a lot of sense because the. I like getting rid of the mental bandwidth required. You know, when you downshift, you're going, all right, is my ankle in the right angle to break? And then I have to rev. So I have to tilt my foot to get that rev right without moving my big toe right. Or changing the pressure on that brake. And now I have to do that three times, approaching this corner at very high speed, also monitoring my mirrors. There's just so much thought that has to go into what is my ankle doing right now? And is it doing these different funky moves? Or you can just go, it's going to break like it's automatic. And then when I get to that turn, then I just go to two and oh, my God, it just makes so much sense.

[A]

Well, it's like it's. You learn. It's like the difference between going from intermediate to advanced and advanced to expert. You know, to go to from intermediate to advanced is to nail those four down shifts in a row every lap and have that as part of your racecraft. To go to expert is to question if you need them.

[C]

Right.

[A]

You know, and then integrate that into your strategy and then not tell anybody for 30 years until you're riding in a car with them to the airport.

[C]

Yeah. Only then he's like, it kept it a se, kept it a secret. Which makes sense.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And it was. I mean, it worked out, obviously, because he won how many Trans Am championships?

[A]

A bunch.

[C]

You know, a bunch of them. And then Tato, our, you know, young phenom on the team, when we're talking about downshifting for corners in the BMW, which is paddle shifted ZF8.

[A]

Yeah. You can't skip in that one.

[C]

No, you can't skip. But he was saying, you know, most corners you downshift. He would downshift at kind of a slow pace because the downshifting isn't helping him decelerate. He's doing all the deceleration with brakes. Yeah, but he said, but if you find yourself in a position where you need more brake, meaning if you press the brake pedal harder, you know you're going to lock up, but you need to slow down more because you're going to go off or something. Then he would downshift more quickly because he can still use the engine to slow the car, but it won't lock the fronts up.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

So then you're using shifting as a technique to decelerate, but only in certain situations. So I wonder if. If Senna, Was he using the engine to slow the car because he's braking so late, probably. Or is it just a tradition thing? And you know, it. It took 10 more years for Tommy to go, wait, why are we doing this?

[A]

It could have easily been either. I would be not the least bit shocked if Senna knew something that I didn't know. I. But I do it his way, so the result is the same. I've been doing it sequentially for my whole life. This car on this open sweeper road, I mean, it just doesn't get better, right? It really doesn't.

[C]

You know, these have a lot of the. The fizz. There's a lot of the wonderful intangible fizz from old stuff, especially old noisy stuff.

[A]

The person who went. Imagine that. But not junk, you know, that's crazy. Yes. So much torque. So much torque.

[C]

600 pound feet, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

700 horsepower. It doesn't really seem like it until you look down as you go past 80 with your foot matted and it's.

[A]

It's. It's definitely substantially lighter than a new gt.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So what it. Even the power it has, it's using more effectively than it would have otherwise. To a. To a point.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Gear ratios are like perfect, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

There they are.

[A]

Wow. So nice.

[C]

So what do we have to do to get you into this Mustang today?

[A]

Matt, finance me. Zero down, baby.

[C]

We can do that.

[A]

Yeah, right. We can get you. I really want to. I want to ship one to Portland for the. For the road to track event. That would be so sick. I'm going to. I'm going to call them as soon as we get back. I bet you they'll say no.

[C]

I really wish Sarah and I had bought that GT350 recreation or replica, rather.

[A]

I bet you still can. One of those. Those always come up.

[C]

They do. They just got more expensive. And that was a true good one. But we'll find it. We'll find it again when the timing's right. Yeah.

[A]

What else is happening in cars that needs discussing? Oh, Taycan is going in for an actual mechanical service this week. It's getting three recalls addressed.

[C]

Whoa.

[A]

All software is my. Where did my water bottle end up, by the way? I have some. You see it? Oh, there it is. Three software recalls. One for the 12 volt battery and two for other things I actually don't even know. I only learned about them because I got a notice for one and scheduled the appointment and they're like, oh, you have three. Oh, great. And then when I go over, when I pull the Taycan into my driveway, notably not WCCS because the angles are so good, but when I pull the Taycan into my driveway or other articulated entrances, the suspension, which is the, the air suspension in that car, it's a little creaky. It just goes. And I talked to our homie at Porsche and he said it's, it's possible that the bushings are a little dry. They need some grease. They need to be greased. And that's a thing that happens in the air suspension cars over time. And so especially because the EVs, you don't get the, you know, you're not taking it in as often for oil changes and whatever, it doesn't get inspected as often. So you just complain about it, that your suspension is creaky and they will lube it up for you.

[C]

Right.

[A]

So, okay, no problem there. But like, that's an actual. That's the first, the first bit of actual warranty work.

[C]

That's pretty good, that car, man, when you pull up like the painted fenders, it's such a good looking car.

[A]

Hell yeah.

[C]

It is such a wise choice. Choice.

[A]

And it's just like.

[C]

And a great camera car vehicle. Oh my God. Chasing you in that Vludo. I have instant torque. I can get up on your ass really easily. It's super smooth. But then it's quiet. So if we wanted to do, you know, outside exhaust audio, it's not interrupting. And with the super low front cowl, I can see very clearly how close I am. So close. In fact, I may have gotten you a cracked windshield.

[A]

Yeah, there's a little rock chip. Little rock chip in the window. It's okay. Maybe it won't get worse for a while.

[C]

Throw that glue on it.

[A]

Whatever they do, I don't care enough to deal with it right now. But I just noticed it driving home after I dropped you off yesterday. I was like, huh, that wasn't there before.

[C]

Should we talk about. Have you seen the news about the, the bill they want to put forward? Cars from 2027 onward have to have very intense driver monitoring.

[A]

Yeah, is I, I saw that. Was it. Yeah. Was it that the, is that. That all the cars would, would have it implemented in 2027? I thought the bill was written in that it was mandated that they study how to implement. Which is not it being implemented.

[C]

That is. Yeah. I think what I saw is that it tells automakers that they have two, three years where they need to study how to do it. And the goal is to have a system where that has like infrared cameras that monitor the driver and can tell if you are sleepy or inebriated.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So basically every car would have its own breathalyzer of sorts, but it would, you know, instead read your physical cues, possible, possibly your eyes, and then it would determine whether or not it should let you drive. So the big concern people have is, you know, will it not turn on in case of an emergency? Yeah, you know, because these things, maybe it'll be perfect out of the gate. Probably not. So if it misreads either someone's body language or as someone else pointed out, like if you are in a state of huge, huge fear for some reason, your pupils will dilate a lot.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So it might seem to a person or a camera that you are on a substance. Would the car not turn on? So those are things the OEMs need to be prepared for. I'm sure they will.

[A]

Is it designed to be an interlock type device where you get in the car and it has to analyze you before determining if it will turn the car on?

[C]

I believe so.

[A]

I think with a driver monitoring system, it has to watch you drive for a little bit and by then the car is already on and it may just give you like, warnings to pull over or stuff like that. I, I, I, I find it even in, I find it difficult to believe that this country would accept a car that won't, that refuses to, to be started or driven under suspicion of tiredness or inebriation.

[C]

All right, so this was a 2021 law that was part of the infrastructure thing. But it's going forward. This mandates that all new passenger vehicles have to be equipped with advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology by the 2026 or 27 model years now, 2026. So obviously they're going to kick that can down the road.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The systems will use passive sensors and AI to monitor driver behavior and if impairment is detected, prevent the car from operating. So yeah, maybe to your point, if it feels like you are driving poorly.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It will come to a stop or steer you to the right and come to a stop.

[A]

I, I, I mean, that is, it's a funny thing because like, no legislator wants to be like, come out as like, pro or anti, anti. Drunk driving. Right. Because people die from drunk driving. And you know, nobody, you ought to say driving is a privilege, not a right. And okay. They want to revoke that privilege. You know, if you're drunk. Okay.

[C]

But, well, what's funny Is that. And this is from Motor1. NHTSA says that no technology is capable of doing this accurately.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Of detecting impaired driving. And automakers are supposed to supportive of the idea, but, you know, the technology's not there. So. Yeah. Determining the difference between someone who's like, you know, just leaning on the door because that's how they sit, versus they're drunk. Like, what car did we just have that warned us constantly about being tired, driving for five minutes and it would say, hey, you need to take a break.

[A]

Volvo.

[C]

I think it was the Volvo or the Hyundai. It was just overactive.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, the Hyundai Santa Fe.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It kept telling me I was tired, which it didn't know I was high as. No, I'm kidding.

[C]

No, but like the Volvo. We've had Volvos. And it would do it after about 20 minutes if I leaned a certain way or didn't move my head, but it would wait 20 minutes. But the Santa Fe would do it on a five minute drive. Yeah. So the technology is just, it's too sensitive or not sensitive enough and certainly

[A]

not like, it's not a legal. You know, you, you're, you're not convicted of something. You know what I mean? You haven't been. It's not the same as having an interlock and where you literally can't start the car. I bet, I bet it's just a very, very annoying driver monitoring system that chimes at you and like.

[C]

Yeah. NHTSA's report says that no technology is available that comes close to achieving the necessary accuracy. And so they're concerned, of course, as we all are, about the false positives. Like I spoke about, if it, if it thinks you're inebriated and it does something weird or stops or won't turn on and then you're stuck there for. Or it could park you in a dangerous position. It could park you in the middle of an intersection. I don't know. It depends on what it.

[A]

Whether it strands you at the bar you're trying to leave.

[C]

Yeah. Trying to get home to, you know, and if you own a coop. Not enough room in there. Not really. So now. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, look, getting delayed,

[A]

obviously, and a bunch of people sent me that, that link over the last couple weeks. Obviously, I'm against something like that in general because I like to drive faced all the time. Okay, those are not funny anymore. No, I just, I agree with, with NITSA that that is not good technology right now.

[C]

Yeah. And then it would have to be. I mean, honestly, if they wanted to do that they should just make everyone install a breathalyzer in the car. Like it. That would only work for alcohol. But that's probably the largest contributing factor to accidents. And that technology does exist.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So everyone have like a little straw.

[A]

But a friend of mine, a friend of mine had that straw in the car. Not great. That's. That's a tough look.

[C]

Yeah. Not a good look. That's. Yeah. Will you blow in this tube? A judge says I have to have it. I mean, that's a great, great line from a.

[A]

And also there's a, there's a real scammy industry, you know, behind, behind those things. You know, it's like a, it's almost like a, it's a third party service that does it on behalf of the court or whatever. And if you, if you get like a false positive or something or have to have it reset or something, they charge you all this money for all this. But your, your car is stuck without it. Like it's a, it's a pretty scammy industry. Do you have some questions?

[C]

Yes. I'm going to pull up the patreon.

[A]

We have 40 minutes left on this drive if you want to ask us questions. For these and other podcasts, patreon.com the Smoking Tire podcast is where to do it. It's where you get access to exclusive merch and collabs, extra podcasting ad, free podcasting, live stream podcasting, getting it early and on and on and on and supporting people, people you like, people you would like to be able to have homes and offices. There is wind noise at this speed. I can say that about this car.

[C]

And what are we doing? 80? Allegedly.

[A]

Allegedly.

[C]

Duffel Shuffle Retirement club says with the boomer generation slowly passing away, do we think their car collections will come up for sale for prices that entry level enthusiasts can afford, or will they go to auction? Collectors will just add it to their investment profile.

[A]

There are rumors that we're about to experience a, a crash in the values of certain types of collector cars. Mainly like pre war and like 50s stuff because like 85% of it all is owned by guys that are in their own like 80s and in not necessarily a majority, but many cases their offspring aren't interested in the collections or can't afford to pay the taxes on it and are selling it and are interested in selling whole collections. And so I don't know about like boomers who own stuff in the 90s that's like the desirable already by, by people of our generation, but certainly it may be time if you Ever wanted a car from the 20s that was anything but like a Rolls Royce, you know, you're probably a good time to buy.

[C]

Yeah, I think it's always just going to be supply and demand. So if, you know, if a bunch of, let's just say a lot of people that have cars like this, you know, original 60s cars, if they age out of them and suddenly there's a glut of those for sale, you know, big collections. There's only so many of those and there's way more muscle cars that were sold than there are collectors that have big collections. So I think you'll definitely see prices come down on stuff as supply goes up. It's just a matter of like what can the market absorb or what do they, what do they want? Oh my God.

[A]

Which reminds me, before you get to the next one, we had a, a three minute version of this discussion on the side of the road, but There are no 1967 Shelby parts in this car at all. Is this car a fake? Oh, right, it's a fake car.

[C]

I, I think it uses that creative term continuation. You know, the Jaguar did it with the fin thing. Like it has been rebuilt. So I don't think it's a fake, but I think they've continued to develop it and build it. So it lands somewhere in the gray area for me.

[A]

Yeah, I, it's hard for me to consider it a replica, even though it is like the word they use is recreation. So it kind of is.

[C]

What would you consider a Singer a fake?

[A]

A Singer does start with a donor. 911. Right. It actually does. This does not true. You know, superformance cobras and GT 40s do not start with donors.

[C]

Those are, those are definitely replicas for me.

[A]

Yeah, but how is this different from those? I mean, I'm not sure it is. Right.

[C]

That's a good question. Is this just the most accurate replica because. Because it's licensed by Shelby.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, and it looks exactly the same way. A lot of the superformance or other companies, they have to tweak things very slightly.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

To get around that, you know, the copyright.

[A]

I, I think it's also an interesting question because a superformance and they make a high quality product is why using them, I mean it to be complementary. A superformance Cobra is going to be about 20% or 10% of the cost of a real Cobra. Right. This car is probably 150% of the cost of a real GT500.

[C]

Yeah. At least.

[A]

You know, so it's, it's a replica. But it's more, you know, it's, it's an improvement on in many ways. So continuation, I guess is right. But it's, it's not entirely. It's not genuine.

[C]

It's not genuine because also it was genuine. It would feel worse.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, when you close the door, it would be like, I got it.

[A]

Like, it's better because it's not genuine.

[C]

It's better, but it's not remade the exact way it was before.

[A]

I think the differences are more notable from an old Shelby to this versus an original Cobra to a replica Cobra. There's, there's a much bigger perception of improvement in quality in this.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

From an original Shelby versus a kit Cobra.

[C]

Because the, because Cobras were so simple.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And there's. And the replicas are so simple. But these were trying to manufacture real doors and cards and make them kind of comfortable and it's like, it's just a more complicated build. More pressed metal.

[A]

Metal involved.

[C]

I mean, the Cobra was a race car.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It's not that hard to replicate a 60s race car.

[A]

That's true.

[C]

But this was a manufactured.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Mass produced vehicle that's trying to be everyone's everyday car. I think that's a lot harder.

[A]

Yeah, totally.

[C]

But you ask a good question, like, I think. Let us know in the comments. Do you think it's a replica, a continuation? Or is continuation just the, like, you know, whitewashed, green washed word for replica? You know, when it's, when it gets to a certain level of quality, it's like supercar, hypercar. Do we just want a new word? Because this goes above and beyond what, you know, the other versions are.

[A]

Well, and people in my limited experience driving it around and talking to people about it, they don't. They're not poo, pooing it the same way they would if it was a replica Cobra because it's better, you know. So.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's go back to the people.

[C]

Sigs inside said, I took Zach's advice last episode and broke up with my girlfriend to go camping with my dog.

[A]

Holy shit.

[C]

Do we put forks up or down in the dishwasher? I alternate so that they get washed evenly. Oh, I was told I saw a video that was like, you should just half and half mix it all up. That way if they, if they're both all upright, they lay against each other and they might come out dirty.

[A]

Some dishwashers have the individual slots for individ. Mine does not have that. I have a ma. A mass grave of silverware.

[C]

JCAT says recently a bunch of the prototype V10 Ford engines were listed on Marketplace. What engines could have been better with more or less cylinders? What engines? Well, most V6s will be better as V8s or V12s or. Yeah, most V10s, I think, will be better as V12s.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, Aston Martin proves that the Ford V6 is actually better as a V12.

[C]

Yeah, very true. And three cylinders sound cool, but I think they're. They're a little less balanced than a four banger. Right?

[A]

That's hard.

[C]

Like, you know, inline sixes are smooth. Inline five sound rad.

[A]

Inline five sound weird. I like them, but.

[C]

They're weird, but I like them, but I don't really like the way V10s sound for the most part. I know they're. I hear it and I go, yes, it's fast, and it's kind of angry and different, but it's not like a CD I want to play or, you know, Spotify.

[A]

Not my favorite.

[C]

A cd. Sunny Koufax says, what are our proudest moments in regards to our careers? I mean, when I got to quit waiting tables to go work on a TV show about cars.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, that was huge because it showed that my plan of not having a plan to move here and do that worked, even though the show vaporized six months later.

[A]

Sure. I would say road and track print masthead. Like, being on, like, my name is printed in the magazine because that was the magazine I read, like, growing up.

[C]

What is your favorite podcast? Appropriate story from a road and track road trip.

[A]

I mean, I don't. Are there any, like, all right, fine.

[C]

So what was his name at.

[A]

At Performance Car of the Year? We drive all the cars on the track, and everyone's just. Just lapping whatever car, you know, is available. And there's like, two or three cars allowed on track at a. At a time. And, you know, everyone does five laps and then. And then comes in, and then we go on the road, and on the road, we drive the cars. We have a driving order and then a car order, and you just go through that order. And so every driver change. I was driving behind a very talented writer called John Perley Huffman. He would drive the car, and then I would get in it afterwards. Every. Every car. Okay. But he has some, like. Let's just call it gastric things happening, and he would absolutely blow up every single car with farts. No, every car. Car with. And so for. I have the best job. You know, this is literally the best job in the world. Right. Driving the best sports cars on sale today back to back with other drivers who you like and who have interesting things to say about all the cars, racetracks, beautiful driving roads. It's the best. That's literally the best. Best work week imaginable. Imagine that. Except every car has been thoroughly hot box with farts for like, 30 minutes before you get in it. Wow. Are you still having a good day or. No?

[C]

At that point you are, but every time you're laughing and you're just like, rolling the windows down. Wow. You've never told me that story. Truly.

[A]

I kept that one under my hat.

[C]

Jeez. Convertibles. Let's focus on convertible.

[A]

Pretty good.

[C]

Pretty good.

[A]

Solid, accented. Well, there I'd be on the radios like Pearly. Put the windows down. Prime that.

[C]

Ro. Ro. Your Bo Bachman says Porsche sold their stake in Bugatti to private equity. What do we think that'll do to Veyron and Sharon values? It's not morbid, but Uli Kunkel's Autobahn. You know, there was a shooting in Austin a month ago, and a bunch of emergency responders were blocked by waymos.

[A]

I saw that.

[C]

Yeah. So Waymos are gonna go. Waymo officials are gonna testify for city officials. It's not really a question. Wait, did we. Did you see that? I didn't know that. I mean, this is something like I did see. We've seen a lot of these videos. Like, they need to program something in an emergency. It's a problem. They're. They're obvious like they know about. About, but. Yeah, it needs to, like, pull away to the side of the road.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It seems like right now they do a deer move where they just freeze. Yeah, they, like, they somehow detect the. The blue and red lights and the car just stops. But, like, it needs to get the out. So.

[A]

Yeah. That They're. They're very timid in a lot of situations, and they could cause traffic jams. I mean, it's. It's. It's terrible if they block traffic and first. First responder can't get somewhere. Someone is hurt or.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, or dies.

[C]

Fire truck should be able to just push them. I mean, assuming there's no one in the way mode, just.

[A]

Yeah, there needs to be, like. Don't ambulances have, like, things that change traffic light colors?

[C]

Didn't they.

[A]

Didn't they at one point?

[C]

I think that was a rumor. I feel like in high school we thought they had the magic switch. And I don't know if they ever did have a magic switch.

[A]

Turns out 50 Cent has had it the whole time.

[C]

That's right. Well, he's a magic stick. Yeah, that's different. Very different. All right. Elderly woman behind says I have an E30 318 IS4 banger that I've spent too much money on the engine and now the oil analysis is not looking good. Should I send that four banger in to have it rebuilt or just swap to a six cylinder?

[A]

Swap to six cylinder?

[C]

Yeah. It's a weekend car and a track car, dude. Yeah, the inline six is so good.

[A]

It'll change your life, dude. Yeah, more torque, having actual power.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I would do that.

[A]

I mean unless you. I mean yeah, unless you want to get a killing a K24. That's the only other thing I would say to get.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But probably an inline six, but hopefully the only stroker. Yeah, you're right then you're in the game.

[C]

Yeah, more it's got a, a way bigger aftermarket support and you could probably just put a stock one in there and make as much power as your built engine.

[A]

Right.

[C]

My leaky, my leaky valve gasket Nissan Z Nismos and automatic Mustang dark horses are getting to the, you know, the high 40s into 50 grand.

[A]

I was not aware you could get a dark horse in automatic.

[C]

I wasn't either.

[A]

I've just learned that.

[C]

But is that worth the buy at that price? Despite lacking the manual all a Nissan

[A]

a Nismo Z at 40k47 if it's otherwise a nice car. Yeah dude, that's a great car. The automatic's not that bad. It, the paddle shifters are responsive like yeah, it, it does what it's told for the most part. You know the normal like normal non sport mode automatic tuning isn't like all that special but that car handles and steers and rides beautifully and as we

[C]

know from the race car last week and like I for me that that's what matters most and I, I will be focusing less on like you know, the downshift speed of a paddle shifted automatic. Like it's important to compare it to its peers with dual clutches and stuff but when you're actually driving fast it just doesn't matter as much. You know you're braking you it. This transmission had plenty of time to downshift while I was doing decelerating.

[A]

It matters more when you're driving at 2/3 speed when you need it to be like smooth and when you're actually like threshold braking and downshifting it does not matter as much.

[C]

Kendrick Mark 4 supra that's a good name.

[A]

That's very good.

[C]

My friend is looking for an older small sports car for spirited Canyon drives around LA. They suggested an Austin Healey 3000. What other cars should they add to the list? The budget is 100 grand.

[A]

Oh wow.

[C]

And you're looking at Austin Healeys instead of Cayman gt.

[A]

They want an old car.

[C]

Oh right. Older small sports car. Oh what, the Jag XK?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

120.

[A]

Oh maybe a 120 or an E. An XKE 100K will get you a great XKE type. You can get 100k will get you a, you know, an air cooled 911 Carrera or an S seat.

[C]

I think the question you have, this person has to ask is how much maintenance do you want to do? Like how about Porsche will require less. MGBs are good.

[A]

A classic Mini could be really fun.

[C]

That be so fun.

[A]

A Suzuki cappuccino or A Honda beat C2 Corvette.

[C]

Sounds great. Looks great. Classic vet ergonomics are all right. I mean 100 grand, that gets you so much car.

[A]

Yeah, it does.

[C]

356. Can you get.

[A]

No, not, not. Not a good one. Not one you'd want.

[C]

912.

[A]

Certainly a 912.

[C]

You get a pretty spicy 912. They're just slow.

[A]

They are slow. I'd much rather have a 911 SC than. Yeah, than the best 912.

[C]

That's probably the good answer.

[A]

100 grand, that's quite a lot of money.

[C]

Yeah. I mean I feel like you can choose between the artsy Gatsby, you know, Austin Healey type thing or you could go more performance Porsche

[A]

or R32 Skyline.

[C]

Oh, do that. That's old. It's 30 years old. Post menstrual sample says. What are things to avoid when building a canyon backroads car that might make it too uncomfortable or aggressive. I was thinking of putting fixed buckets in my 997.2. Would that be in poor taste? Would it be only. Would it be in poor taste to only swap out the driver's seat?

[A]

Oh, that is. Yeah, that's so that's okay. That's a thing that when poor people do it it's trashy. But when rich people do it it's

[C]

classy, which is unfair.

[A]

Like yeah, like if you get a Sparco bucket and put that in your driver's seat it's trashy. But when Jensen Button has Singer built him a car with a bucket on the driver's side and a, and a regular comfort seat on the passenger side, that's baller.

[C]

And what's unfair is that they're both using the same thought. They're like, I drive this fast mostly by myself. Here's how I want to sit. But I don't want to force that upon my passenger.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So I think it makes sense. Total sense.

[A]

The science is sound.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That's why both rich and poor people do it. It's just the image is interestingly the opposite.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. I say do it mods to avoid

[A]

for a canyon car.

[C]

Making it too stiff. That's the easiest thing.

[A]

Yeah. Too stiff and too loud are usually your. Your. Your culprits.

[C]

We. Okay, now I am become SEO deaf. That's funny. We talked about how low YouTube numbers. Sorry. We've talked about how track videos hurt YouTube numbers. Are we going to change our content now that we have track access? I think we just. We always have to have a road component. You know, like the M2 video. We talk about it on the road and how to it do there because that's where most people are going to drive it. But as Harris continues to demonstrate or catch pole or the throttle house guys, like if you have track driving that's a little bit sideways. People like that too.

[A]

Yeah. It's. It is important to have both. I think. I think we need to like use, you know the. The. The road drive to really hook people in because that's what most people want to see. But like, yeah, I've got a racetrack. I want to use it.

[C]

We might have covered this. Marshall P says. Does having the dual overhead cam coyote engine take away from the X factor of a vintage muscle car and muscle car engine? I think a little bit. But if you have the windows down, there's enough noise out the back. It makes up for most of it. Like I don't really. I have friends that really love the way carbs sound, the way their intake sounds. Most cars I've been in are so loud in the exhaust that I can't even notice the carb anyway. So I don't really care. But it is just. It's a little bit quieter everywhere in this car than it is in old stuff. So you. You lose a little. But it's worth it.

[A]

It doesn't bother me. I don't. I don't have a nostalgia for a carbureted 428Cobra jet. I don't really. That's what was in this. Right?

[C]

What?

[A]

Wouldn't a 60 cent wouldn't this have had a 428 Cobra jet?

[C]

In it, I think. So the 429 came in the Mach 1.

[A]

Yeah. That was 70.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. This would have been a 428 I think so. I, I don't have any nostalgia for that engine in particular. So a loud ass V8 with a blower on it works just fine for me.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I don't, I don't have any contextual issues with that at all.

[C]

And honestly like if you put a big cam in this. What where the muted. The mute is coming from the. The nvh like the sound deadening. So it's not like the engine's character is too departed from the original ones. It's also like everything else about the car. Yeah. Fully loaded diaper says. Why do left hand drive enthusiast cars sell for significantly more than right hand drive examples in the U.S. these buyers are typically enthusiasts who value uniqueness. I would expect those buyers to be drawn to the novelty of a right hand drive car.

[A]

I, I understand the thought process but the fact is if a car is available with left hand drive, it will sell to. It'll appeal to a larger market of people. Y There are plenty of enthusiasts that outright refuse to drive on the wrong side of the car. There are plenty more that would only do it if the experience of that specific car like a Skyline made it worth it and there was no other alternative. There are some people that might prefer the right hand drive just to be weird. But the truth is driving on the right side of the car in a country that's set up for driving on the left side of the car is more of an inconvenience than in my opinion the novel novelty is worth most of the time.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

[A]

Like my wife's right hand drive cars. I like them despite them being right hand drive. Not necessarily because they're right hand drive and Skylines are so awesome that if I gotta drive on that side, so be it. But if there's a car like an NSX or another JDM car that's available in both ways, I'm just gonna to

[C]

go left hand drive. Yeah, you're used to it. The roads are set up for it. Drives stuff. Yeah. Pedal box Saba red bar SA says how far is too far with homage watches like Is the Orient Ray too close to the Submariner? Is the Cassie Oak Mod too close to a Royal Oak?

[A]

I would say no to either of those questions. The Orange Orient as a, as a. As a in general has their own identity for the most part but there are a lot of like other fairly Cheap watches from typically Asia that are like outright knockoffs of GMTs and subs and stuff that just have a different name on them. The, on the brand and not Rolex. And there's. I'm on these forums and there's a lot of people that are certain they'll never be able to afford a real one and, or they're very bitter about what a real one costs and that they can't get one, you know, so they'll buy the, they'll buy the fake one or they're, they're scared someone's going to rob them, which is sort of silly, but. All right, Leaf, come on. But I don't like homage watches. I think that at almost every price point possible there is a cool watch that has its own character and you shouldn't buy the cheap knockoff versions of the real thing.

[C]

Panamera bread says. Do we think normal average buyers would notice that the Nissan Z has a quote old platform?

[A]

No, not really.

[C]

Chicago White Sox. As said on Doug, on Doug's podcast, Ford loses 800 per Shelby to Shelby, which is about $30 million according to the total number of GT, 350s and 500 versus the dark horse. Do we think the 800 was worth it for the Shelby name?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Do you?

[C]

Yeah. I was actually shocked it was that low.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean 800 for a $75,000 car.

[A]

It's a licensing fee for the name.

[C]

It's such a small percentage of the cost. Like I was actually surprised it wasn't more money. So I don't know if they're pitching that many pennies. It's weird. And you know, will they drop the car's price by 800? Probably not.

[A]

Eleven minutes, sir.

[C]

All right. For sure.

[A]

A little. Yup. Let's see if they have the rear suspension. Man, for a solid axle, it sticks pretty good, huh? Whatever they've done to that, it's nice. 8.8 with a 373. 3. For those Ford nerds out there for

[C]

show, Motor company is planning, planning to do their first track day at Mid Ohio. Do you have any advice for that track? And also do we know anything about getting insurance to cover the damage deductibles?

[A]

Yes, you absolutely can get track day insurance. I don't know the name of any specific brokers, but it is a thing that people do get and can get. It's usually, you know, depending on the car, you know, a few hundred to a couple thousand a day. Mid Ohio, what a place. What an amazing place to drive a car. Just like you know, it's one of those old classic tracks that's really built into the natural landscape of the place. Very undulating, very, very challenging track. One of the, One of the only tracks that I think is truly hard. And God help you if it rains. I don't think I've ever been more scared of driving than on mid O at the wet. It was terrifying. No grip whatsoever. But also like just what an exciting place to. To do a track day or to race a car. Such a fun drive. You've never been in mid Ohio?

[C]

No. It's so far in the land of many pavements. Right. Surfaces.

[A]

A lot of surfaces. Yeah. It's an amazing track that's so far from anywhere you'd want to stay or have a meal. Just, you know, forget it.

[C]

So true of most tracks.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean there are, there are exceptions, but Chuckwalla, except for Road to America, nothing there.

[A]

Road America and Road Atlanta both.

[C]

America was half an hour Sonoma right near the town.

[A]

You know, it's not half an hour from Elkhart Lake. It was half an hour from, from the town we stayed.

[C]

That's true. Koji. Koji. At what point does big motor into tiny car swap becomes. Become too much for the chassis to handle and it pretty much becomes a drift car.

[A]

Different for every car. Right. Every chassis has its own limit and then its own, you know, and then the choices the OEMs made. So I've, I've driven Lamborghinis and R8s that handle a thousand horsepower, twin turbos, no problem. You know, we've driven stuff that have. Has come. Excuse me, come with 50 to 100% more power than it would have left the factory with. And depending on what else has been done, it's, you know, maybe not a problem.

[C]

Right.

[A]

But if it, you know, so it's, it is different for every car. I mean, that end the, that flying Miata ND with the LS3 in it. I don't know about what would happen if you were trying to drive it full throttle all the time, but like it had so much torque in such a lightweight chassis that like even short shifting it from 4,500 at half throttle, you're like flying in something like that. So the bigger the motor in, the smaller the car, like the less hard you have to push it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, you can be kind of lazy about everything and if you try to really push it, then it gets to be messy, you know.

[C]

I think it also, it depends on if the new motor messes with the weight balance at all right. And if you can keep the weight, you know where it was or actually make it more, optimize it more, then the car will maybe even feel more stable. But if the engine's suddenly very heavy and huge and adds way more weight over the nose, then you just kind of get drift. Car City. Johnny Ev Gearman have we noticed there's no Z06X in the Corvette lineup? Would there be any benefit to that gap being filled? I don't think there would be.

[A]

I don't really think there would.

[C]

No one wants an all wheel drive in enthusiast oriented track car. Like yeah, nobody wants that.

[A]

Even the ZR1X is really for drag racing. You know it, it doesn't. It makes it incrementally faster. Think around the Nurburgring. But like the steering is just better when you just have the rear wheel drive ones. It's not that much faster around the Nurburgring to a regular driver. They're the same speed. You know there's. They're so fast already. I'd rather have the, the pure steering that comes with the rear drive. That's the first guy to straight box me out. This guy, this guy in the Camry with his like with his tech bro Blazer hanging from there and you were going in the carpool lane and he

[C]

dip and he's by himself.

[A]

Fully boxed me out solo in the carpool lane.

[C]

Oh, can you notice these nuts? Has a Gen1 Valentine. Trying to dial it in. What settings do we use? I would always turn off X band and K band. Run only laser and ka and it will save you so much grief.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then. Sorry Canyon, I don't recognize your comment about your seating position.

[A]

So if you don't want to manually turn off X and K band, Advanced logic mode gets filters out most of the like urban extra radar.

[C]

That's true. Quadrifolio face. What's more fun in the sun? Fresh summer tires or worn winter tires? Fresh summers. I don't. I know. Like I don't want to be losing traction on worn winter tires on public roads. Yeah. And last one, Wheat city night court. Does it ever strike you funny how much cool is named after what is probably the shittiest beach town in all of Florida?

[A]

I'm sorry, what?

[C]

I think it's a dig at Daytona.

[A]

Oh, Daytona. Listen, Daytona's only bad if you weren't at lollipops in the late odds. If you were, Daytona was a wonderful town.

[C]

It's all I. I've only been to the track and then the indoor outdoor mall that surrounds the track. It's just like. It's a food court that just surrounds a racetrack.

[A]

Yeah, but Daytona is a pretty shitty place.

[C]

I've never been to the beach or anything like that.

[A]

I drove on the beach. Can you drive on the beach there?

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, like that, two miles an hour.

[A]

Yeah, I did that once. That was a thing. It was. It. I mean, look, we go to Daytona for one reason, the racetrack. And anything else is, while you're there, make your own fun, you know?

[C]

Right.

[A]

All right, then. Well, that's perfect timing, because we're about to get off the highway and be back at the office. So thank you all, particularly those patrons, for taking. Taking good care of the two of us, keeping the ship floating down the ocean. Thank you to everyone else for participating in this. Us. I like doing the occasional show in a car. It's. It's. It's good. It's good to be doing that. I like it, uh, gets us out of the old studio, and it's a good use of otherwise unpaid transit time. There's so much of it. These are good blinkers, these metal blinkers. I like them. The steering wheel, the blinkers, this cockpit revologies. All right, check out that video. Coming on YouTube very soon. Don't forget, we're giving away a 911 Turbo S. Details on entering are in the podcast notes. Right, Zach?

[C]

Yep.

[A]

And that ends August 20th. Get your entries in now. See you guys next time. Bye.