Screen Depreciation; CHEAP V12s; Rainy Days; Q&A

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast

Episode Title: Screen Depreciation; CHEAP V12s; Rainy Days; Q&A
Date: November 20, 2025
Hosts: Matt Farah and Zack Klapman

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Episode Overview

This episode is a classic freewheeling mix: Matt and Zack dig into Los Angeles’ rare rainy spell and how it transforms driving, nerd out on car suspension and steering feel, trade stories about PA system mishaps and their rollerblading youth, and field a lively Q&A from their Patreon audience. Major themes include the impact of screens on future car collectibility, what cars drive best when their suspensions are set to "sport," the appeal and risk of cheap V12s, financing car adventures (and whether you ever should), practical used car advice, and the joys and challenges of both modern and analog automotive experiences.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. LA Rain and Driving Dynamics (13:48–23:17)

• Taycan in the Wet: Matt explains how rain transforms his Porsche Taycan 4 into a “fun” car:

  “Turns out the Taycan, if it’s wet, you can initiate a little bit.” (14:01, Matt)

• Playing with Traction Control: They discuss how modern driver skills now include knowing arcane button sequences, comparing hidden car functions to unintuitive stereo menus.

  “We as monkeys have learned that pressing a button and holding it can bring you a different result than just pressing the button.” (08:52, Zack)

• Suspension Settings: Matt’s revelation that his Taycan rides better daily with the chassis in Sport and the powertrain in Normal, flipping his usual preferences.

  "This car is too soft in soft mode and is just right in sport... There’s not a lot of cars where I do that." (17:35, Matt)

• Cars that Drive Best “in Sport”: The BMW M5 Touring and Maybach sedan are cited as others that are “too soft” in comfort mode, benefiting from firmer suspension.

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2. Adventures in Automotive Audio and Technology (02:07–10:00)

• Hilarious recount of botching a PA speaker setup at a watch event, leading into a broader discussion about modern tech, hidden menus, and the “hold to access features” phenomenon in both cars and pro audio.

  “You can walk up to any stereo and make it sound as best as it can sound. That’s like your gig. And so I was like, I’m sorry for the inconvenience. That’s all I did.” (04:34, Matt) “That skill comes from… traction control. That’s a 100% traction control skill.” (08:48, Matt)

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3. Rollerblade Nostalgia and LA Stereotypes (23:43–28:30)

• The saga of "rollerblade wheel mods" for Pelican cases leads to reminiscing about ‘90s rollerblading culture, specific gear, and seeing quintessential LA scenes straight out of a movie.

  “It was when I had my skiing crash that stopped me. That was the last time I rollerbladed, 2011.” (27:16, Matt) “This would be in Beverly Hills Cop and I would think the writers just put it in there—it’s in the movie because it’s in real life.” (28:03, Zack)

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4. Touchscreens and Car Collectibility (48:11–50:28)

• Discussion on whether cars burdened with large central touchscreens will ever become true collectibles.

  “I think the touch screens could potentially really age these cars fast.” (48:11, Matt) “Repairability can be a huge headwind… If no one can work on it, like, if you need to know a machinist to make this engine work, or you need a computer programmer…” (49:33, Zack)

• Praise for Bentley’s trick rotating display as an elegant solution.

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5. Q&A Highlights (39:36–98:59)

New Land Cruiser vs Lexus GX vs Defender 110 (40:15)

• Decision Guide:
  • Finance: Land Cruiser (keep long-term)
  • Lease: Defender (let someone else deal with issues)
  • Straight Cash: Lexus GX (best resale value)

  “The Defender drives the best… The Toyota is the most bang for your buck.” (40:15, Matt)

Cheapest V12 Joy (61:55)

• Manual Aston Martin DB7 cited as the current cheap V12 grand tourer winner, with pricing observations and service caveats.

  “How do you buy a 20,000 mile V12 Aston Martin for 35 grand? … That’s money in, money out.” (63:09, Matt)

Simple, Slow Cars Reset Perspective (47:58)

• Driving something basic and underpowered, like a Delica or 20-year-old pickup, resets expectations and makes you appreciate modern cars again.

Purchasing Experiences or Cars (68:17)

• Strong advice not to finance car adventures like a Road & Track trip:

  “Dude, to go on a vacation and be making payments like six months later—oof, bro.” (69:20, Matt)

  • Save first, then reward yourself.

Best Invisible Car (78:16)

• Consensus: Fleet-white Prius, Chevy Malibu, old Dodge Caravan.

  “Any of the eggs in white… That will walk amongst them.” (78:52, Zack)

Mechanic Shortage (80:59)

• Listeners ask about Ford’s search for techs and barriers to advancement; hosts relay frustration from field mechanics about waitlists and stagnant pay despite “six-figure job” claims.

Timex Going Upmarket (82:55)

• Approval for Timex’s higher-end “Atelier” line.

  “I have no problem with a company that’s been making watches for as long as Timex has…” (83:16, Matt)

Aftermarket Tech and CarPlay (90:58)

• Tesla finally adds CarPlay after years of resisting it, showing consumer demand trumps brand ego. Matt and Zack compare how Tesla/Rivian usability stacked up.

  “There’s some shit that I really like my CarPlay… my garage door opener is an app…” (91:20, Matt)

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6. Notable Memorable Quotes

• “We as monkeys have learned that pressing a button and holding it can bring you a different result than just pressing the button.” (08:52, Zack)
• “This car is too soft in soft mode and is just right in sport… There’s not a lot of cars where I do that.” (17:35, Matt)
• “I think the touch screens could potentially really age these cars fast.” (48:11, Matt)
• “Dude, to go on a vacation and be making payments like six months later—oof, bro.” (69:20, Matt)
• “How do you buy a 20,000 mile V12 Aston Martin for 35 grand?” (63:09, Matt)
• “Any of the eggs in white… That will walk amongst them.” (78:52, Zack)

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Additional Memorable Segments & Timestamps

• (19:25) E-Pass vs Hydraulic steering: Modern E-PAS steering is sometimes better than the classics, especially if the ratio and weighting are dialed in right.
• (86:07) Manual Mode Automatics: Answering if using manual mode on auto transmissions increases wear (short answer: not really, as long as you’re not lugging the engine).
• (96:34) Evaluating a Listener's New Watch Brand: Gentle, constructive, and honest feedback on a fan-submitted watch line.

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Tone and Flow

Laid-back, irreverent, tangential, and peppered with deep car geekery, playful arguments, and “inside baseball” references. The episode is equally accessible to casual fans and car nerds, brimming with practical advice and funny asides.

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For More

• The Smoking Tire YouTube
• Follow hosts:
  • Twitter: @thesmokingtire, @zackklapman
  • Instagram: @thesmokingtire, @fakezackklapman

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This summary captures the full spirit of the episode—a blend of car culture, technical insight, personal storytelling, and plugged-in community Q&A, with timestamps to help you zero in on favorite segments.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

I am.

[A]

You know, we had this watch event at the shop, and I used the PA speakers to just, like, play some Bluetooth music from my computer. And I ran a microphone, xlr just directly into the back of one. Like, have a little thing. And so. But when I first, you know, I plugged in the. The one speaker and then Daisy chained the other speaker, right? And I plugged the mic in and it was like, real quiet. And the main knob that seemed to control volume didn't really do anything. So I went into the menu and went into the channel one gain, which is where the mic was plugged in. And, like, turned it up, and, like, that worked. And the mic got louder. All right, fine. I then played music over Bluetooth, and, you know, I had. I used the volume controls, like, on my computer to make adjustments, and, like, it worked fine. And, like. And then Christian took the amp, the pa, because he was gonna use it for his show. Well, he calls me the next day, like, texts me, and then calls me. I don't pick up because my phone is on, like, silent or whatever. Texts me again, like, please call me. Please call me. I call him as soon as I get it, and he goes, you gotta tell me what you did. And I was like, what do you mean? He's like, to the pa, like, what did you. What did you change? And by the way, he was there. Like, he came to this event. He didn't set it up with me, but he was. He was there. And so he heard. Like, the levels weren't all fucked up. Like, he made a playlist. But he's like, you gotta tell him what you did. And I go, what do you mean? All I did was I changed the gain. He goes, the gain seems fine. I go, no, no, there's, like, the main gain, and then you hold down the button to go into the menus, and it's where you change more settings and connect to the Bluetooth and whatever. I said, there's another gain setting for channel one and channel two. And I turned up the gain on channel one, and that made the microphone work. That's all I did. And he goes, that's all you did? And I go, that's all I did. And he's like, because one of these speakers sounds fine, and the other one is, like, functionally useless. And I go, look, you're an audio engineer, and I'm just a moron that was trying to make a microphone sound good. I only changed one setting. And, like, I really assumed that whatever I changed, you would be able to easily change back. You can walk up to any stereo and make it sound as best as it can sound. That's like, your gig. And so I was like, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. That's all I did. So he goes, all right, all right. And, like. So the next morning, I went like, hey, man, you know, he went to. He did his show or whatever, and I didn't hear anything. Next morning, he. He goes. I go, hey, man, like, how'd it go? He goes, oh, well, your PA system is, like, not usable. We have to. We have to get together. This is. I mean, it's like, brand new. We have to get together.

[B]

I can hear him saying.

[A]

And he goes, and you have to show me, like, what you did.

[B]

Oh, he couldn't find the menu.

[A]

He said he had to get a backup PA to do his show. So imagine his level of panic. I mean, even compared to my evening, my level, his like a 10x. You know, if I'm a. If, if. If you're the balance of a Lotus, Amira, I am more like a. Like a GT2Rs. Your GT3Rs GT2Rs. Probably like, you know, a little tail happy, maybe. Christian, you know, is like.

[B]

He's a go kart.

[A]

There's no suspension, ssc, traction off in terms of the. The ability to panic over things.

[B]

So he grumbles more, too. He's got, like, the rumbly grumble, but.

[A]

Like, yeah, so I got it. We have a. We have an appointment to fix it. I don't know. Like, I. I don't know. But, like, I bet you whatever he did to try to fix it, he made it somehow worse. I don't know that. I don't know what he did.

[B]

This blame circles fun.

[A]

No, no. Like, because he probably changed a bunch of other things.

[B]

No, it's fun.

[A]

And I don't know what those are.

[B]

You know, I want to know. When you see him, ask what. How long it was between calling you and sourcing another pa. Was it like minutes, hours?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I want to know how long. How much time went by, because I think that I need to aim this camera up. That's very, very funny.

[A]

I felt. I felt really, really bad. I mean, I don't, you know, but, like, I didn't think there was any way I could fuck up the settings on, like, a basic PA speaker enough that he couldn't make it sound normal.

[B]

It's probably that he couldn't find the menu because I remember the controls on.

[A]

This speaker, by the way, are the least. They're not intuitive.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

It took me a whole bunch of different times of. Was it a double tap or hold and let go on this dumb button? And the way. Yeah, it's hard to navigate.

[B]

So when we would get at tangent vector, we used to have a couple different cameras, primarily Sony F7s, FS7. FS7. But I remember I was shooting something. Like, I was on the ground. I had no instruction of how to use this thing other than hit record. And I needed to change something. And I called Armin, our friend Armin Bog, amazing director, DP editor. Like, he knows all things camera. About every camera. It's amazing. And his secret is that there are websites you can go to that mirror the exact menus. And you can like. It's like paper trading, or it's just running through the menus on your computer to know where things are. And he showed me that. I was like, holy crap. That's an incredible resource provided by Sony or whoever. So you need that for the PA so that Christian knows which knob to hold, which brings you to this hidden menu. And then you gotta change the gain. The inner gain, not the outer gain.

[A]

I guarantee you, he didn't even find the inner gain. Yeah.

[B]

How did you. Do you read the manual? Like, how'd you know to hold this button to get to other.

[A]

There's only three buttons on the back of the thing. And I had got there like an hour early, so I wasn't stressed for time and I assumed I wouldn't know what I was doing, so I gave myself, like, plenty of time to, like, fuck around with it. So when not pressed by, with time, I was able to, like, sit there and go, this isn't right. Why, there must be another menu. And like, just like, you know, you know where this skill comes from, you will know. Traction control.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Great point.

[A]

This is a 100% traction control skill.

[B]

We as monkeys have learned that pressing a button and holding it can bring you a different result than just pressing the button.

[A]

Right. Or, like, have you driven a GM lately? Like, there's a double tap and a triple tap and a seven fucking tap and frs.

[B]

It's a tap tap. Yeah, that's true.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You got to know all those things.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. That's how we. That's how I learned this skill.

[B]

That stuff is challenging, too.

[A]

I found it. I mean, it was by luck. I'm just trying different combinations that turns fucking traction control off in various cars. There we go. You know, but it works.

[B]

Like, I was trying to help my dad do some stuff on a computer, and, you know, he was an ER doctor for, like, 40 years, and they had a computer system, but if you. If he has to do something outside that system. Yeah, he's like, I don't know how to do this stuff. And it's because he didn't go to computer class where we, you and I, learned the basics of just moving files when you're eight years old. And now at Translate, when you're 40, you still know how to move these basic functions or to turn traction off. But if you never did that shit, because all you did was Type in prescriptions and, I don't know, lung assessments, then you don't know.

[A]

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[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. If you go full off, you can.

[B]

I Forget, is it a 4S?

[A]

It's just a 4.

[B]

Oh, it's a 4.

[A]

It's just a 4.

[B]

It's rear bias 4.

[A]

No, I mean like, yeah, yes, it is. It is a rear bias 4. Like if you have, if you have the right set of circumstances, like you can initiate a slide in that car and get a couple of degrees of fun out of it in the wet.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Yes, you can. You can do it. You can do this in the dry in like a Turbo S. And also it's fun. It's like, did you have any wet fun?

[B]

Not.

[A]

That's a Gross thing to say.

[B]

Jim Norton's listening now.

[A]

That's the name of his new special.

[B]

It would be. His new special is great if you haven't heard it, by the way. No, it always seems like my tires are very sticky, so if it's even damp, they're still pretty sticky. I need it to be like raining, but finding a place to do that around here. There are a lot of really bumpy, effed up roads.

[A]

There are.

[B]

And I need to find the good ones. So occasionally, but. But not this week. No.

[A]

Do you want me to tell you.

[B]

Where to do it? Yeah, but do it off the show.

[A]

It's really obvious when you think about it. What's great about my location is it's incredibly safe and there's strong visibility in all directions for all the reasons you would want.

[B]

Is it a left turn?

[A]

Is a right turn?

[B]

Is it near a large, dark building?

[A]

A large, dark building. Well, that describes so many places, dude. So many places.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

All right, that's not a fun game for the play on the podcast. I'll just drop you a picture.

[B]

Just tell me later. But yes, that is, I would love to drift around the waymos that, you know, gather in that parking lot like schools of fish.

[A]

Waymos on highways now, have you seen them?

[B]

Not yet.

[A]

Yeah, waymos on the 405. Now we've seen them testing with human safety drivers for like eight months. So I knew this was gonna be coming. But like, yeah, they can. They haven't expanded the map, so you're still limited. And so it's, it's depending on the hour of the day, the ability to go on the highway could have limited functionality. Like if you're trying to go from here across town to like Hollywood, like highway don't help anyway. But a lot of the distances with ways within that map, it can help at the right time of day. So that's fun. But like just going back to the rain, one thing that it made me remember about the Taycan is because it's a four, it's like the softest one, right? And so when you drive around in like comfort mode, it basically turns off like it's on air suspension, but it turns off like a lot of the damping. So it's like really soft and wallowy, which for your day to day, potholed, shitty urban hellscape is fine. But actually if you put it in sport mode, it turns up the damping and it feels, you go, oh, it's actually supposed to feel like this. It's probably what normal Mode is in a 4S? They probably built a 4S and then just took the fucking damping out of it to make a four, more or less. Because like it actually it's not much stiffer, but it has just way better body control. And so over the last couple weeks I've started just putting the chassis in sport mode while even leaving the powertrain in normal, which is like the opposite of anything I would do in any other car.

[B]

That's true, you never do that. You're always soft with maximum kill of transmission and engine.

[A]

But this car is too soft in soft mode and is just right in sport. There's also a Sport plus, but it's just right in Sport for kind of every day. If the roads are anything above total garbage. So there's not a lot of cars where I do that. I can't even think of any really. Have you ever. Is there any car where you would. Where the sport mode is better? All the time than I know there is.

[B]

I'm struggling to think of it.

[A]

The M5 Touring, actually.

[B]

Yeah, we've been in. Yes, that's a good example. We've been in cars where they're so under damped in normal that the car moves around too much. The M5 is a great example. So going down the road, even though you want to soak up those bumps, the body feels out of control, basically. It feels like it's moving and having these secondary motions. So that's a good example.

[A]

Yeah, Maybach sedan was like that actually because the SUV has the hydraulic, so it's a little more settled even normal mode. But the Maybach sedan, it's just. It wants to be so soft that in regular mode it's like too soft. And if you put it in sport, it's actually like really nice. It's just clearly not. My boxer is set up to be driven in, so you really don't want one if you're just driving yourself around.

[B]

I think the super soft settings work. If you're going straight on a highway, it just absorbs those bumps. Right. But if you have to turn at all then, and there's a bump in the turn, then you kind of get this like weird gyroscope, you know, you feel like you're dancing in dizzy.

[A]

Especially if you're talking about air suspensions, which when they're soft are really, really soft.

[B]

Just an empty ball sack there.

[A]

Like. But when you put it in sport, like the Taycan steering is really nice. It's really very direct and really a nice thing to to kind of just point with, you know, the driving.

[B]

That slant nose was a great example of how hydraulic steering is not always better than E pass. Because nowadays in my opinion the E pass if they get the ratio right, the feedback's good and the assist is the right amount. I go, well this feels more direct and I can feel the tires and stuff. And it's a Iraq speed I'm used to because it's a modern rack speed and I like it more.

[A]

Is it power?

[B]

What the slant nose? Yeah.

[A]

Most, most G bodies don't have power.

[B]

I don't think it was, it didn't feel power when I was going.

[A]

No, most, most G bodies are not going to be power steering cars. Oh.

[B]

So it's not hydraulics, it's just manual. Which also sometimes can feel great.

[A]

That's sometimes doesn't wheel gives you much a, much better like leverage and feel if the wheel is really small. Like if when I put this really small wheel on the safari and then went like, oh no, it was like way too heavy.

[B]

I don't think it was that small. I had a picture somewhere but I don't know. It's just some of the E pass systems are great and then some like the old, you know, 6gen Camaro is like you hit it in sport mode, it weighs more, it's harder to turn but you don't feel anything. So that's not good.

[A]

Yeah, yellow sled nose. But yeah, I think it's, it's drizzling right now a little bit. But I think the rain is we, it's like it's for the rest. Anywhere else in the country, like rain is a normal thing here. If it rains for four days in a row, that's a pretty unique situation.

[B]

Yeah. It's supposed to barely rain tomorrow, sunny Wednesday, rain Thursday.

[A]

But I wonder how fucked up the mountains are.

[B]

Well, and you know, Marco sent us that like air cooled hot rod monster with you know, street legal tires. Technically.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's like. And this is the worst week to have it.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think it's a good time to drive that car.

[B]

Absolutely not. He said to not drive in the rain.

[A]

It looks, it's like a 1970 or 71 like 911T and it's got like RS flares and then it has what appears to be some version of a993 engine in the back.

[B]

It's got a rowdy engine in it and it's supposed to be quite fast. But I think weeks ago I was like, I don't think I want to drive this in the rain. He goes, yeah, don't. Definitely don't do that. And then, you know, unfortunately, that's what the weather's doing. But we'll see. Maybe the forecast will change.

[A]

Yeah, it will, because I got. I hope it does. I have to go up to Willow Springs or something tomorrow, so. Oh man. All right. But the rain did. It kept my. It kept my car weekend. You know, I didn't really have a Malibu weekend. I was supposed to go to this Carson coffee, this like sort of invite only cars and coffee hosted by Rivian. That was supposed to be cool. It got canceled because of rain. And actually I was supposed to be at Willow Springs all day today. I was gonna spend all day. Yeah, rain cancel for rain. I was gonna spend all day lapping street. The new streets of Willow today in that RTR thing.

[B]

You can do it tomorrow.

[A]

Well, no, cause. Well, it doesn't matter. The singer has the track all day tomorrow, so I can't use it. But I have to go up there for a different thing because WCCS is going to be selling a guy's GT4 track car. A race car. It's our first actual full on race car. We've. We've listed on. On one of the auctions. But I have to go up there and get a bunch of information and video of it. So that will be fun. And I. It's the. It's like 94 miles or so each way from my house to Willow Springs and the Taycan. You know, if I go like the speed I want to go, the range is like 2:10. And if I go, I have to go. Otherwise like 74 to be able to like comfortably get there and back with, you know, little spare. But that's okay. No worries.

[B]

Well, it's like when we departed Zion, we had that. Our range was like 410, I think in the car we were in. We'll reveal that car later. We just can't yet. And we went, ooh, we might be able to make it home in one tank. And about an hour later it was clear that we had exceeded the efficient speed.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. We were not at peak efficiency. Speaking of peak efficiency, real quick though, you know what I did this morning? I installed and some people are out there gonna be like, yeah, no shit.

[B]

Did you eat and poop at the same time?

[A]

Yes. I was a complete psycho. My own funnel. The. I got. I did the rollerblade wheel mod on my pelican case. Oh yeah, you gotta do it. Yeah, thad insisted I do it, and I did. And it was like, you know, $35. And I installed them in five minutes. And like, I will do that, dude. So smooth, so quiet. No resistance.

[B]

Does it still stand up? Correct. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I saw a guy that did like an off road wheel mod, but he had to put a block so that it wouldn't tip over.

[A]

Oh, no, this.

[B]

Okay, cool.

[A]

Yeah. This diameter, the rolling diameter is the same. You might. I mean, ultimately you might have to replace these more often. They may wear down. Whereas the hard plastic ones I had for 10 years.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I got the ABIC 5 bearings. I was just gonna ask you. Of course I did.

[B]

The only name I know in bearing.

[A]

Of course I did.

[B]

How would I know you kids today don't know. Dude, putting those on a skateboard or rollerblades, back in the day, you were so excited. You're like, these are gonna be great. And then you start rolling. Like, this is too fast.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, there's a certain age where it was terrifying.

[A]

Well, my. My friend group. It got out of hand because. Did you. Did you rollerblade ever?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You did?

[B]

I skateboarded. Then I rollerbladed for a few years and for some reason decided to resist the more efficient transportation that they provide and went back to skateboarding like an ass.

[A]

I rollerbladed. I played a little roller hockey when I was a kid. I was never very good at ice skating, but I was better at rollerblading than I was at ice skating. And I rollerbladed. Do you like. Do you remember when you first met me that Tracy and I would rollerblade on the bike path? Like I rollerbladed into my early 30s with, by the way, the same skates.

[B]

No shit.

[A]

I had one pair of rollerblades. They were 1990 something rollerblade arrow blades, if you recall them.

[B]

Yep, I do remember.

[A]

Yeah, they were really something.

[B]

They got the keyboard straps.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Five wheels.

[A]

Four.

[B]

Four.

[A]

I never went with that five wheel stuff.

[B]

All right.

[A]

But we got up to. In high school, we got up to the ABIC nines, which was like, those are illegal.

[B]

Only the government gets those.

[A]

When you're 14 and. Or 15 and you're throwing them shits in you, you can hit like 60 on your rollerblades. What was the fucking downhill rollerblading movie?

[B]

Oh, Air.

[A]

Was it called Air?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I think it was called Air. Yeah, it was. I think it was the only rollerblading movie.

[A]

There might have been one other, but that sounds right.

[B]

And Seth Green was in.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's the One airborne.

[A]

Sorry, Airborne?

[B]

Yes. Spelled the same way as the vitamin C supplement.

[A]

What kind of skates were you rocking?

[B]

I have no idea.

[A]

You don't remember?

[B]

I do not remember. If I saw a picture, I might go, probably those. But you know, what were they like.

[A]

Small wheel freestyle skates?

[B]

No, they were more like just regular, regular skates. And a friend of mine was into the freestyle thing. He had the smaller wheels in the middle for grinding, which he couldn't really do, but he could do like, I don't know, 360s over stairs and stuff, which is. It's much easier on skates than on a skateboard because they're stuck to your feet, obviously.

[A]

Didn't Nino do some freestyle?

[B]

Yeah, Nino was very into it, Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, when I rollerbladed last was three years ago. After my back repaired it again, Sarah rented me Rollerblades for like. Like a birthday weekend. And we went on the bike path.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it was a form of exercise I could do. And I was like, this is super fun. And we covered so much ground.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we're just humming along.

[A]

It was really fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it was when I had my skiing crash that stopped me. That was the last time I rollerbladed, 2011. So I never went back to it.

[B]

It's good hiking, muscle workout. Your butt will be very sore.

[A]

After that, we would do. We would go all the way from Redondo beach to the fucking end of Manhattan beach and back on Rollerblades.

[B]

Yeah. You cruise. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, it's fun.

[A]

Yeah. After the bike or ski accident, we switched. I switched to the bike.

[B]

Do you ever have those moments in LA where you see something, you go, this is such a stereotypical Los Angeles moment that if it was in a movie in the 80s, you believe it. But if he was in a movie today, you'd go, that doesn't happen.

[A]

I mean. Oh, well, no, I wouldn't say I was until you said that last bit. I would say, any longboard with a toe dog.

[B]

So, like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was driving down Highway 1 once coming down back from Malibu, and there's that huge parking lot on the right side. It's like two football fields. And this very attractive woman is wearing a very small bikini and just rollerblading. And it's like a pink bikini. And that was a moment where I was like, this would be in Beverly Hills Cop. And I would think that the writers just put it in there. It's in the movie because it's in real life. Yeah, it was wild.

[A]

I mean, you know, living in Venice for so many years, I saw a bunch of those scenes. That's true that, that if you saw them in the 80s, would have been natural. And if you see them today, they seem very contrived, but they're totally happening, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guys, got to take one more quick break because hello Fresh is coming in hot and fresh. And you've heard of them because I've been talking about them for like over a year now. They're the number one meal kit in America, making cooking easier with chef crafted recipes and fresh ingredients delivered straight to your door. But this fall, they're serving up even more to love. Because this isn't the hellofresh you remember. It's bigger. With a menu double the size, 100 options each week, including seasonal dishes and recipes from around the world. Dig into bigger portions. That'll keep everyone satisfied. They've got healthier options. We've got 15 plus high protein recipes each week. Grass fed rib eyes, lamb chops. Oh, boy. HelloFresh now helps you eat greener with veggie packed recipes that have two or more veggies per dish. And even tastier with steak and seafood recipes delivered every week for no extra cost with three times the seafood options. How about hearty fall recipes like classic beef chili or honey glazed pork tenderloin? Discover new seasonal produce each week. From leeks to broccolini to Italian eggplant and more. What I love about HelloFresh is that it keeps me making new things. Like, like, I love to cook. I love fresh ingredients. I love eating healthy. But what's hard is always finding new recipes to make. You end up like flipping through recipe books, flipping through the Internet with hellofresh because you're gonna get those ingredients in the exact right proportions. You're gonna get those recipe cards. There's no extra work to make a new recipe. Every recipe with HelloFresh is a new recipe and that's what's different. So even if you're like, I don't want delivery stuff, the produce is really good. The meats are really good. Like, trust me, they are. I get them. But like, also you're gonna make new things that you wouldn't otherwise make, which if you like cooking, is pretty money. Cause it takes like the sucky parts out of cooking and it makes it all really easy. The best way to cook just got better. So go to hellofresh.com ready smokingtire10fm to get 10 free meals and a free breakfast for life, one per box with active Subscription free meals applied as discount on first box. New subscribers only varies by plan. That's hellofresh.com smokingtire10fm to get 10 free meals and free breakfast for life. And lastly, support is coming in from Hydrow. This holiday season you can train smarter, not longer. The Hydrow rowing machine delivers the best results in just 20 minutes a day, working 86% of your muscles in one seamless motion, being twice as effective as running or cycling. Whether you're training hard, staying consistent or getting a jump on your New Year's goals, Hydro meets you where you are and pushes you further. Their members are seeing serious results, from major weight loss to stronger performance and faster recovery. All the workouts are led by Olympians and world class athletes filmed in breathtaking locations around the world. With the largest library of rowing workouts, Hydro keeps your motivation high all season long. And it shows because 90% of their customers are still active a year later. Hydro's newest rower, the Hydro Arc, delivers such powerful results that GQ magazine named it the best rower of 2025. Right now, Hydro is making it easy to give the gift of fitness. With free standard shipping, a 30 day risk free trial and a one year warranty, give yourself something that moves, motivates and truly delivers a Hydro rower. Now, truth be told, I haven't personally used the Hydrow rower. They haven't sent me one yet, they said they're going to. But I have done a lot of rowing work. A lot, and it is exhausting. It's so hard and it's tough on your body. You can obviously start slow and work your way up. But if you want to talk about a real intense workout that does your upper, your core and your lower in one workout, I'll tell you what. I've done elliptical, I've done cycling, I've done treadmill, I've done speed bag. A rowing machine will get you going in the shortest amount of time. They are a full workout and they can. Man, you can make those things super, super tough. But I love the idea of the beautiful rowing coaches from beautiful locations. That is superb. Head over to hydro.com that's, that's H Y-R-O-W.com and use code tire to save up to 600 bucks off the Hydro rower during this holiday season. That's Hydrow. H Y-R-O-W.com, code Tire to save up to 600 bucks on the hydro rower at hydrow.com Code Tire and now back to the show. What is the dress Code. Because Hannah and I are going to Thursday.

[B]

It's a good question. I don't know.

[A]

Fancy. Fancy.

[B]

I have to wear a suit, but I. Yeah, but. Sure, but it's LA car. Yeah, but it's LA car stuff. So.

[A]

So flat Bill and.

[B]

Yeah, that'll be there.

[A]

Flat bill and a car. Hard jacket.

[B]

Yeah. What is Ron's RS call it? Basic car, bro. Like outfit. Just, you know, a hat with black T shirt and vans. Yeah, I don't know. I think whatever the RSVP said, which I don't think it said anything, I think you can do what you want.

[A]

I didn't read it. I just clicked yes plus plus wife.

[B]

Yeah. You always have nice stuff to wear. So.

[A]

I mean, I could. Well, yeah, but I could be. I could be silly or I could be serious, which is, I think, always be silly. Always silly. Sleeping bag jacket then.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, people love that thing. That got more attention than our actual show on the stage.

[A]

I know. Fucking shout out to Bravo Charlie. Do they have a website? Can you look up if Bravo Charlie Jackets has a website? Because I know you can get this. Get it where I got it, but I don't know if you can buy them. Yeah, that's it.

[B]

Holy moly. Yeah, shop bravocharly.

[A]

Shout out to them now. You really need to get measured for it. I'm sure you could go to a tailor and get measured and send your measurements in, but I met these. I got my sleeping bag jacket and I wore it to the Willow Springs podcast, the live show. I think it was only for pros, but there's photos on Instagram. But these things are the jam and there's so many of them.

[B]

It's like a bomber jacket for people listening. It's like a bomber jacket made out of 80s and early 90s sleeping bags.

[A]

Kids sleeping bags.

[B]

True. Right? So they're very colorful patterns.

[A]

It's like what I would put in the interior of my car. But I get to wear it, which is the greatest thing ever. That. That one is the fucking tits. That's very $345 made to measure a jacket that looks like that. That's so sick. This is like a. Like a trippy sort of hypnotic but very colorful kind of hippie pattern. Almost like. Like Janis Joplin's Porsche.

[B]

A lot like that.

[A]

God damn it, I want that.

[B]

I wonder if this is why that.

[A]

Before this goes live, if this is.

[B]

At all wind or waterproof.

[A]

No, it's a sleeping bag, not a camping sleeping bag. Like a kid's bedroom sleeping Bag.

[B]

Good point. Okay.

[A]

Like having a sleepover. Sleeping.

[B]

Yeah. So it's comfortable. Yeah, truly.

[A]

They're very soft. But it's more like a. It's more like a very cool sweatshirt than it is like a. Like a weather resistant jacket. Yeah, yeah, but it's so warm. It's really like.

[B]

I.

[A]

It's. You. You don't wear it instead of a sweatshirt. You wear it instead of a jacket because it's warm. But you can't wear it in the rain. I mean, you can, but it'll get.

[B]

It'll get wet. Like a leather. Like a suede jacket.

[A]

No, but it's like. It's like literally absorb it. Indoor sleeping bag. You'll just absorb whatever. Yeah, but I. I love.

[B]

All right, so don't wear it on Thursday because it's gonna rain and you'll be inside sweating.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. No, it's not. It's probably not good for that. But for these, for like fall winter cars and coffees, like going up to good vibes in the morning, that's the jacket for that. It's really nice. Because if it's nice enough to be up there in the first place, you.

[B]

Know when you should have worn it? When we hiked Zion Angel's Landing, I.

[A]

Would have been very warm. I would have been. I probably would have been too.

[B]

You probably would have been too hot.

[A]

I would have been too one if. If I had like, like just a one layer thicker than I had. Even if it was like a regular hoodie instead of like that T shirt hoodie. Yeah, that probably would have been. All right.

[B]

You had like a moisture wicking workout hoodie on, right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah. Which is good for that in some ways, but, you know, bad in other ways.

[A]

Like, I had like a version of what I'm wearing now as like my outermost layer for a. Like that started at 45 degrees.

[B]

Do you own a like, very thin, like running windbreaker rain jacket thing?

[A]

Yes, I've been wearing it.

[B]

I won't buy you one for Christmas.

[A]

No, no, I've been wearing it for the rain. It's my, like my rain proof, like. Yeah, like, it's like an Ogio. Yeah, I have that thing. I just didn't fucking bring it. Yeah. Anyway. Anyway, it was cold, but it was beautiful. Totally worth it. Yes, totally worth it. I don't have like a lot of other car adventures, to be honest with you. So let's go to the people. The patrons have a lot to say. We can go to them, give us some thangs to talk about. In terms of cars, we did have a. We hosted a watch event at the shop. Shout out to neighborhood watch club. It was really good people. Everybody was in to and I revealed the new color for the canyons and we have a fucking interest list going. It's gonna be real cool. Let's see. Of course the Patreon is where you ask us questions for the show, watch the livestream, get the show before everybody else, get the show without ad and get extra show and more things. Patreon.com thesmokentyrepodcast not to mention as a patron of any level, it does make you like 1000x more valuable financially to us. Everyone's equally valuable emotionally to us. But financially a lot of people are like, how do we support the show? That is by far the best way. Honda fitd's nuts is pretty fucking good. Says, what are your thoughts on. Wait. Okay, okay. It's a two part question. This is like new Land Cruiser versus Lexus GX versus Defender 110 and then part B, lease, finance, straight cash. Okay, Question number one is sort of like what do you value more? In my opinion, the Defender drives the best of those options. Right. The Toyota is the most bang for your buck of those options and the Lexus kind of falls halfway in between. But it drives a lot more like the Toyota than it does like the Defender. The Defender drives like a mini Range Rover. Like a Range Rover light.

[B]

Because is the Lexus still body, frame, body on frame, they're the same.

[A]

The Land Cruiser and the Lexus are the same.

[B]

But the Defender is not.

[A]

Right. No, it's not. Yeah, yeah. It's unibody. So like if you're gonna lease, I would. This is like a fuck, marry, kill.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that actually what we're actually. Is that actually the question? We can play it that way. We're playing it that way.

[B]

Sure, let's play it that way. Because it's a long question.

[A]

So this is the finance lease. This is it. This is the car version. Finance it, lease it, straight by it.

[B]

Right, Right.

[A]

So I say you finance the Land Cruiser. Right? Because you could keep it. Because that's someone who wants to keep it for a long time. Yeah, keep that shit for a long time. Past your finance and then beyond. Right. Lease the Defender, make it someone else's problem.

[B]

That's the one.

[A]

You, you and straight cash on the Lexus gx because they have really, really good resale.

[B]

That's. For a second I was like, why would you not just buy the Land Cruiser but the Lexus would have. They both have great residual value. They're both super popular names. But yeah, I guess buying the higher market one, maybe it'll hold your money a little bit better.

[A]

Yeah, there's a lot more words to that question, but it would take us a long time to get through them. So we made it into a game.

[B]

If you want the. I mean, go listen to the show we did with John McGuire on financing versus leasing versus cash purchase. Like that. That has all the detail you need.

[A]

Depends more about you than it does about the car. Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like what is your threshold for. And also it's like, are you the kind of person if you know you're gonna want a new car in three years, like lease. Because that's a bad way to like to buy a car and then sell it in three years. That's like, that's bad idea. But if you're gonna buy a car to hold onto it for like a while, and we're talking about new cars, Buy a new car. Hold onto it for like as long as you can bear kind of. You know what I mean? But if you're, if you're a new every three or new every two kind of person, you just know that. Get on the lease train.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Hold up, let me light this J up. I don't. That's great. It's a great way to live and great username. What's the rarest car that you've had a go in that you hold over your journalists heads? Okay, for a minute. Let's see.

[B]

Well, the Zinger briefly.

[A]

The Zinger made us made everyone jealous for a minute. And now everyone else gets to drive that.

[B]

Yeah, that was, that was pretty cool. But there's still no press launch for that thing.

[A]

Yeah. I was one of only like two people to drive the Venom gt.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Which was a big deal for a minute.

[B]

Singer Turbo, you know, for me, I know they give people access, but it's hard to get it.

[A]

The Gunther Turbo Mule.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Only Johnny and I drove that and people were like, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude. What's the deal? What's the deal? You know, we're getting, you know what we're getting?

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[A]

We're getting two things.

[B]

His other Gunther.

[A]

We're getting two things we're getting in a couple of weeks. We're getting. Member Gunther. They're trying to like experiment outside of Porsche a little bit. So that you drove that BMW that they did. They've done a 458. And so we're getting that it's apparently quite nasty, but it looks really good. I've seen photos of it. It looks really nice. So I said yes, we'll have a go in that.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

See what's up with that. Totally.

[B]

We should.

[A]

For size 5, 8 are superb. So we should really try what they could do with it. And then we are going to get the slant nose, I think in January. They said the slant nose is ready. And he said it's. He said if you put E85 in it, it's over a thousand horsepower. And I said, if you put E85 in that car, I will kill you.

[B]

Yeah, please don't do that.

[A]

I do not want.

[B]

If he's going to do that, he needs to rent a Runway for us also.

[A]

Any part of the street. That sounds bad, but let's see. Was there anything else? I mean what's so funny is like journalists get to drive everything. So historical significance is what makes us kind of like drool. So when Chris Harris gets to go in a car that won Le Mans, he just sent me a video of him ripping a scari in a McLaren F1 long tail. And I was driving the 918 at the time and I was like, you had to fucking one up me, you little shithead, didn't you? You know, but like what's his name? Parnelli Jones's Mustang. I got to drive the journalists, you know, they drool over like that. Is there anything else? I don't know. It's a good question though.

[B]

Those are pretty rare, the Russell built car.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

Like that's a. That was a one of one.

[A]

Oh, I drove the. I drove the Cunningham C5R. They only made one of those. That's. That's though that's the only one of.

[B]

Them that ever roof rodeo recently. But I mean that's the odds like, like you said in the video, the odds of us even seeing one of those again. Just seeing it is like astronomical.

[A]

Yeah. So normally the only place you would see one of those is like the Quail or like. Yeah, you know, some other prestigious type event. You're not just going to see them around Eastside Junk cars and salvage. I hope this person uses this, this. That makes it a write off. If you name. Your name is your business you're advertising on Smoking tire podcast. It's marketing. I don't even care if that's real, but I really like it. I purchased a running, driving, functional 1997 GMC Sierra for the rather felonious sum of just 18 Hyundai. It complements my GR86 as a utility vehicle, but reminds me of the value of simplicity, how to be more present, and how good my 86 is. I had gotten a bit bored, but thanks to the old truck, I'm in love again. Is there more to that one, Zach, or is that the entire thing? Just saying. Oh, yeah. Do you ever get that refreshing feeling within your own fleets or after a mediocre press loan, Going back to simple cars thing I do kind of get especially slow ones like our Delica, our little. Our Japanese van. When you drive that thing, like it's got 85 horsepower, like, you can only go so fast, so it's like not possible to be in a rush in that car. Whereas if you're used to driving an electric car or something all day, especially a big horsepower one, you can drive like a total asshole and not even really think about it. So it's funny how getting in a really slow car, you end up, like, getting to those places and in basically the same amount of time and you're forced to sort of be like, this is the speed I go. Same thing with driving cross country in an EV. Set the cruise at 74, man. This is the speed I go. It was a total actual mental reset from the concept of constantly trying to make time, which is what I normally do, which is what we did. Which is what we did the entire way. Going to Utah back a couple days ago. L.L. cartier. But welcome to the Patreon Eastside Toe and whatever wrecker, whatever your business name was. Llcardier says, I think the new Maybach might have an insane aging arc. I think they will be vomit worthy in 15 years, but gold in 30 years. Imagine a Maybach or Alpena from 1995. The more stickers and promotions around it, the better, right? Possibly. I think the touch screens could potentially really age these cars fast.

[B]

Yeah. And like, the plastic and stuff surrounding them will age quickly. And just the size of screens kind of dates things. That's the good trick that Bentley has done with the rotating thing is eventually, if that screen looks old, you just spin it around and you got those three gauges and you know that'll kind.

[A]

Of help the 918. You know, the only thing that dates it is those shitty haptic buttons. And so. And that thing is like 10 years old, and it's pretty rough to use those. And so. So I'm not sure how the Mercedes stuff specifically that's so touchscreen involved, like how that stuff comes back after how it comes back up. Like, I can't. I Don't want to be naive, but.

[B]

Like I think, I mean, look, aftermarket with my car, I've got this carplay thing. So now I have all the functionality. I mean the screen is lower res for sure, but it gives me all the modern functions I really want. So they give me. Dude, no, no, dude.

[A]

I'm saying if you buy a Maybach today they're talking about, he was talking.

[B]

About a like a 20, 25 Maybach.

[A]

Yeah, in 25 years. Like unless you have. You're gonna need whole system replacement at that point. Like how does that car ever become like a classic? I just don't, I don't know.

[B]

I think you make a great point. The repairability, we've talked about this before can be a huge headwind for something that's if no one can work on it. Vector or something. Like if you need to know a machinist to make this engine work or you need a computer programmer. There's a guy that started a business. He was an Indy 500, like you know, indie mechanic. Now his business is building wiring systems just to get vintage race cars going. You need that guy who knows how to design a wiring harness just for your car. So you're going to need that for the. My buck. And that market will be so tiny. There's like two people on the planet, they're gonna be interested in doing it.

[A]

Did I say in the last show? Because I had just come back from our collector friend's house. He said his personal Mechanic, he's got 70 plus cars. And he said his personal mechanic is 74 years old. And he said if this guy retires or dies, I'm selling all my cars the next day. He said I cannot go on without this person. And he's our age, you know.

[B]

But there like when we did the Audrain thing, there was that young guy who was able to fix a ton of stuff. Stuff. Jesse or something like they're out there, but they're hard to find. Yeah.

[A]

That guy's name, he was awesome.

[B]

Someone who speaks carb and computer.

[A]

Yeah. Well. And what. And Magneto and that. Yeah, yeah. Lock shock. Darrell said, I got the sky dweller as a loner and hated it. What other watches did you get as loaners try on at the ad or purchase that didn't hold up to what you expected? Oh, this seems like I almost. This is like a planted question because I'm about to sell a bunch of watches. Is it like too gauche? None of them are that expensive. Like the most expensive one. I want to sell. I don't want to sound like an asshole, but the most expensive one I want to sell is, like, five grand. Everything is under that. The cheapest one would be a couple hundred bucks. There's probably 10 watches I want to sell. Is it douchey to try to post on Instagram the watches and the prices if the prices are 10% below market value across the board? Board? Is that douchey?

[B]

I don't think so.

[A]

All right. Because you're.

[B]

Because you're not. You're not pricing them with the Matt Farah bump. You're like, no fair market value. A little bit less.

[A]

Yeah, I'm cleaning out the closet.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

All right. I think I might do that. It seems like the easiest way people.

[B]

People that we work with sell stuff on Instagram all the time.

[A]

I know. That just seems. It seemed a little douchey, but okay. So doing the watch podcast and. And being sponsored by watch people and getting to try stuff on. Oh, my God, how spoiled I got. That's. That shit was really spoiled because even, like, press, press cars, same kind of deal, you know, so many cars that imagine. Imagine how many cars you and I would have been like if we never got to try them. They would have been like, I want to buy one of those. But after a week, either you go, oh, hell no, or you go, you know, actually, I've tried that and had it. I could tell you what it's about and went on an adventure. And normally you would have to have those type of experience. Now it's not in order to do that. And so it's a perk of the job that we don't spend money on things we already know aren't going to work out.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

That's just a side benefit of the job. And I think that's why so many people look to us for car advice, because they don't want to spend money on something they don't like either. The watches. What I've Learned from, like, 10 years of collecting watches is it's all about the fit. It's about how it fits on your wrist. And I've bought watches that are supposedly 40 millimeters or 45 or 46, and they all fit, like, kind of different. And you can't go off an Instagram photo. You really have to try it on. And so the Sky Dweller, I thought, was a really cool watch until I wore one for, like, a month, and I was like, actually, it's, like, a little too big. And the complication doesn't really do anything for Me, it's kind of hard to read and so glad I didn't buy that. You know that's an expensive fucking watch. Good thing I didn't learn that by buying it. Panerai luminors look great on Instagram, look great on everybody else. I hate how they sit on my wrist. Let's see.

[B]

On a related questions, Chappie asked. Do you have a max number of nice watches before you start selling or do you just sell them when you're bored or you don't wear them?

[A]

It's the same as cars. If you don't use it, it's gotta go. So any the watches I'm selling, I probably haven't worn for like five or six months. So that's you if you don't wear it for like five or six months. You know those like a house cleaning specialists that help you declutter your shit?

[B]

Yeah. Does it spark joy?

[A]

Yeah. Or have you haven't. Have you touched this in like two years? Have you used this? Have you worn this sweater in two years? Have you worn these shoes? If you haven't two years, shit's gotta go. And you know, not for everybody. And I don't live my house that way. Obviously you've been to my fucking house. But how many watches can you wear? And so, so if I want a new watch, if I'm looking at something, we gotta clean out the closet. Limited amount of space. We're not getting a bigger safe.

[B]

Yeah, some people just keep expanding their safe or whatever.

[A]

I've been talking to these collectors for this article, all these folks, once money doesn't matter anymore, if you're fortunate enough to get to that big money where it's like whatever kind of living, if you're fortunate to get there, time. Cause I've been talking about talking to people with 918s for this story I'm doing and everyone I know, which is admittedly this is a small sample size, But I know four or five people who own 918s, which is more than most people do. So every single one of those folks talks about a very busy family life, a very busy work life, travel either for work or to multiple different homes seasonally, and then they own many cars. And so the answer to like why wouldn't you daily this is like, oh no, I would. But like I'm doing shit. So like I can't really argue with that so much. You know, it's more of a, I don't have time to daily it. Then I actually than it has anything to do With I won't put miles on the car. I didn't talk to anybody with an investment grade 918 that they were afraid to put miles on. So maybe my theory didn't hold up.

[B]

You know, it's just time though.

[A]

Yeah. Maybe people, I mean 0 mile and like sub 500 mile ones do come up. So this is true for some people, but maybe not. My group of friends.

[B]

The nice thing about the car hobby is assuming you have a commute or something or like you can drop your kids off and pick them up, you can do that in your car. Whereas as you know, if you have, if you, if you have a dirt bike, a mountain bike.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Rock climbing gear, hockey gear, like all of those hobbies you drive to and then you do them. So you can't really integrate them into your daily life as much.

[A]

Yeah. But yeah, getting to try, getting to try stuff without having to buy it. That's a, that's a privilege. I'm sorry I don't have a bigger list of things I didn't like. Yeah, sorry. A lot of like Tudors, they just don't do it. They don't do it for me.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

And vintage stuff, which I love looking at on Instagram but cannot wear nothing vintage. Johnny Ev Geubman, have either of you driven a G8 GXP with a manual? How similar is the recipe to the E39 M5? Even with the bad interior? I mean similar. Like pretty similar actually. In fact, if you get to the Chevy SS 2015 with Mag Ride, I would argue that that is the same formula executed better.

[B]

That's a great car.

[A]

Chevy SS Mag Ride is a better E39 M5 if you find one that's not had the shit kicked out of it. Yeah, those fucking things are bad ass. They're so fast.

[B]

They look rad. Great fender flares, everything.

[A]

And they just. The steering is great. Mag ride. The clutch is really nice, the shifter's really nice.

[B]

Those things rip Chevy reliability. I mean it's everything you want and it's 12 years newer than an E39.

[A]

Well, what that really means in practice is a much better steering ratio. It's got a much sharper steering. Oh.

[B]

Cause it's newer.

[A]

It's newer.

[B]

I thought you meant because it's a Chevy.

[A]

No, but the E39 M5 is great. But it's almost like we were talking about last show like Boxster to nsx. It's kind of like that evolution where you've got that. But in 2015 GM was making some pointy ass cars.

[B]

Camaro was awesome then Corvette was great.

[A]

Seven was pointy. Yeah, I mean those are quick cars. Yeah. Waymo hand jobs from women I hardly know. All right, is a well maintained lexus GX or 4Runner with 200k miles worth worth 13 to 17,000 bucks. I expected to get one for around 10. Curious on your thoughts? Yes, I do think it's probably worth that. I mean I think those are really well made and simple vehicles.

[B]

Vinny's is nice, you know, I mean right. His is a GX470. His is his old one.

[A]

Sorry, his an LX.

[B]

His older one's an LX LX570, slightly bigger one.

[A]

Those are link layers cruisers. But even the GX are. Yeah, I think, I think so. 13 to 7. Yeah. Cuz people still use them as overlanding vehicles and stuff like that.

[B]

And, and the thing, the thing about it is like I don't. Look, I'm not trying to be disrespectful. The difference from 10 grand to 13 luckily is close. But I think you could put miles on that car assuming it's been well maintained. And if, if you have, if you buy with 200,000 miles and you want to sell it with 220 or 230, like the market won't care. They'll buy it from you. Because those are reliable off road vehicles and everyone loves them.

[A]

Yeah. And I mean I think people, 4Runner and Lexus off road people, you're talking about like the kings of resale value.

[B]

Yeah, I mean I think you know, this person, whatever the market you're seeing is the market. You know, you can go on there and go that's more than I was hoping to spend. That's a fair thing. But I think the bidding market has softened a little bit. But it's a good representation of what people are paying. Maybe you find a slightly better deal on Facebook marketplace because it's not going to have all the hype and as many eyeballs.

[A]

You could do that, maybe find a pretty decent GMT 800 like a Tahoe from what's the first year. Maybe it was 2000 or 2000, 2001.

[B]

When they just started around it.

[A]

Yeah, aroundy Tahoe. I think for 17 grand you could probably find one of those with 125,000 miles on it and it could still be in decent shape I guess, but I think so. I mean I wouldn't shy away from those GMT 800. I think that's the 800. I'm pretty sure the roundy Tahoes. Those are really, those are nice. Law and order ripped from the bread lines. We're heading there. What is the best experience per dollar in a front engine, rear drive, V12 manual? Does the 550 Marinello reign supreme? Or what about the 8 Series or Aston DB7 or manual swapped Vanquish? I mean if really, if we're talking value, a manual DB7 is cheap and it sounds nice and it's actually quite, quite pretty. I think the DB7 like GTA is a very pretty car. The convertibles not so much because the way the top sits on the back. But the coupes I think are actually very pretty clean, really clean design. And they've got a V12 and you can, you know, pretty much, I think pretty handsome interior. Look at this. This is 20, 31,000 mile 03. This is from 2022, but bid to $31,000. Wow, that's a V12 manual Aston Martin.

[B]

That's wild.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

I bet that's cheaper these days.

[A]

Yeah. Is there a lot higher? Look up, go up to the top to click on that link and let's see if there's a recent. What are DB7s going for now? So here's a. Fuck, these are great deals. Here you go. 32,000 mile, 2000 DB12 Vantage Coupe, six speed, 44,000 bucks last week.

[B]

Looks good.

[A]

Last week. The Volantes aren't worth shit. They're all starting with a two.

[B]

Yeah, they are.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Wow, bro, that is classy. Yeah, Dark blue Volante.

[A]

I mean, assuming you have, I mean any cheap V12, you know, you need to have an appetite for, for service. But that is a very pretty car. Sounds very good. Is a stick, you know, I like it.

[B]

I mean, here's a coupe for 32 probably higher miles because next to it there's one with 6,000 miles kilometers. And that was 70 grand.

[A]

I feel like I, I feel like how do you fucking lose?

[B]

That's pretty awesome.

[A]

How do you buy a 20,000 mile V12 Aston Martin for 35 grand? I mean, you know, you gotta, gotta insure it, you gotta keep it running. But that's money in, money out.

[B]

That's pretty cool.

[A]

A V12 Aston Martin is absolutely bottomed.

[B]

Out at 30,000 bucks and because to get a decent 550 with a manual is to get a start.

[A]

Dude, a 550, a shitty 550 is 90,000, like a really shitty one.

[B]

I mean, the one I drove, the center console popped out under acceleration. It needed a little repair. There, and that was priced at 70. And that was also six years ago.

[A]

And look, there's a lot to love about 5, 550s. But they only drive marginally better. Okay. Only marginally better than the Aston.

[B]

I think the Aston's giving you. I mean, that whole experience is shifting sound and looks when you get out of it. And they both have that.

[A]

Yeah. And I mean. And look, I have a Vanquish, so. But a Vanquish is probably. They ask for best value, and a Vanquish will give a better driving experience than a DB7. But probably 2.5x the price because they didn't really come manual. So you've got to either get a factory manual, which they never published. How many they made? They made 100 final edition S's.

[B]

Right.

[A]

In 06, which were available in manual, but they never said how many were actually made in manual. And it wasn't all of them. So nobody knows, or at least no one outside of Aston Martin. They're not. Not talent. The DB7 actually came with a manual, so you don't have to do that. You just buy it and go. Lane Myers Manx. If you were to do a Singer, Esch company, but with Ferraris, what model would you choose and why? I mean, so the only time you can do it it, huh?

[B]

Well, it's tough because with Singer, I think a lot of their success was from the aesthetics. They changed it very slightly. And, you know, all my favorite Ferraris are. I. I don't know what I would change. I don't have. I don't have the pen in my brain to be like, here's what I would do to redesign the 550 Marinello. Like, I'm not touching that. So I would, you know, you do a little drivetrain and suspension.

[A]

You just have to pick a model. You don't have to say what you would change.

[B]

I mean, the 355 if it was possible to just make it bulletproof and maybe like, I don't know. I don't know what I'd fuck with, though. That's what's tough.

[A]

What you really want to do is just put basically a 360 Challenge Stradale engine in the back of a 355. Like, that's pretty much it.

[B]

That's a good idea.

[A]

You really don't have to do. It would sound great. Like it would work better. Like, that's pretty much it. 355, but with timing, chain conversion.

[B]

Timing conversion.

[A]

And not magnesium valves anymore.

[B]

I do like the woven leather Seats in singers. I know that a friend of ours thinks they suck in those cars, but.

[A]

No, the woven leather is cool.

[B]

I think it's very cool.

[A]

Woven leather's fucking cool.

[B]

And you could get rid of the gummy buttons. You could redo the interior a little bit. But careful. Gotta be careful.

[A]

I mean, yeah, the problem with the 355 is that it's perfect. And so in terms of how it looks and in terms of how it drives, it's no notes, right. And so like, well, what are you gonna do to that? And so. And what Again, we say this all the time, but what Singer and others, but mainly Singer started with is taking advantage of the fact that the 911 was the same underneath for many years. And so they could do a greatest hits catalog of. Of 911 bits. And they smartly chose which bits came from where, you know, to create this highlight reel of air cooled love. There's only certain Ferraris you could do that with. You can either do like a 328, 308, 328, 288 GTO and create, you know, that went all the way to the F40. Right. From the 308 to the F40 is like one line. So you could use that one or you could do the 348, 355 sort of one.

[B]

Just depends on how good the cert. Like 360 body on a 458 chassis would be rad. But I know it wouldn't work because you need the air intake for the 458. You need to keep everything cool and working. So that'd be tough.

[A]

Yeah. I mean that one dude put like what is essentially a d stroked, I think 360 engine in a Dino, which is pretty.

[B]

That's exciting.

[A]

Pretty bitching. That's pretty cool. So like Dinos actually could be. It would be a good one. I mean just if you. Because you could update a Dino if you. I mean if someone really wanted to burn the money. They're very beautiful. But you could make some subtle tweaks to a Dino and make it a V8, even if it was like a 328 engine with carbs or something. So it sounded good, but made like 280 horsepower instead of of like 180. That would be a good improvement.

[B]

They're gorgeous cars too.

[A]

Yeah. Frozenberry Metallic Floyd says debating whether to finance the Vegas trip or not. Thoughts?

[B]

The road and trip. Road and track experience.

[A]

I've always wanted to go on one. I mean, dude, that doesn't sound wise. I know there's people that finance experience is out there. That does not seem like a wise thing to be doing. How about this? I don't think the trips are going anywhere. Can you save? I would do that. Because if you save and some emergency happens, you have the money, you know, and then reward yourself for saving well by going on the trip, you know that that's.

[B]

Otherwise it will be a form of a place of stress in my opinion. You know, the whole time I'd be going like, is this fun enough to justify stretching my budget? And then later, every time the bill comes, you're like, okay, I gotta pay this off. I think it could actually be more stressful.

[A]

Dude. It's one thing to finance something that is like a car and you use the car every day. You need the car, you finance the car. And yeah, I'm paying every month, but I'm also driving every day, dude. To go on a vacation and be making payments like six months later. Oof, bro. Yeah, the vacation, even the best vacation, after six months. After six months that vacation's gone. Like, I'm so glad that these trips are so appealing to you that that is an idea that comes in your head. But save, don't finance, please. You'll be happier. You'll be happier going home from the vacation. Not in debt.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Mad. And the giant portion of. I like it. How do you feel about the prospect of the rumored five cylinder Golf R? I think it is a way to keep the Golf R interesting for another generation. Especially if maybe they had plans to possibly kill gasoline powered Golfs and only do an electric run and this was the only way. But it also. It also may not happen. I don't know. I think it would make sense. They've already got a good engine. It makes sense that they would put it in there.

[B]

It'd be interesting to see how they price it because it would compete with the RS3. But you can't get the RS3 in a five door. Right?

[A]

Not in America.

[B]

Right. So it's kind of like, all right, here's your wagon. But it's different. And they'll find a way to separate them, of course.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

The Audi will always be more expensive probably. Right? Exactly. Or in some extra tech or something. Be cool. It would sound red.

[A]

I liked the Golf R a lot. The current Golf r, the Mark 8. I need to get. Call Volkswagen and get, get a loan because I really enjoyed a performance car of the year. Don't know whether I'm the boxer or the Jag. Probably was not. It seems like Mazda and Toyota are getting together for the next gen of Miata and 86. I can't feel like on paper the ethos are the same, but in reality they're quite different. I actually, you know what? I'm going to table this one because I haven't read anything about this. Have you read about this? No, I don't know anything about it. And if we have something to comment, I'll comment, but I would just be guessing and it was a very specific question I don't have the answer to. Performance stats commonly refer. Street parked says performance stats so commonly refer to peak horsepower and torque. How can automakers and journalists better convey horsepower and torque as area under the curve, especially with blended ice and electric power that result in higher power? I mean, I like to think that when I do a car review, I can't speak for anybody else. I talk about the power band, the width of the power band, every single video. It's what is the peak torque? What is the tip in? What is the peak to torque? What is the peak power? How wide is the power band usually expressed in terms of rpm? So that's the best I can do is does this car have a wide power band or a narrow power band? And if it's wide, then your area under the curve is good.

[B]

I think it's also why a lot of magazines will do like the 5 to 60 test or actually Top Gear passing stuff like how does this feel? Or how does it accelerate from low RPM in higher gears? Because that helps you understand the power band. But it's a hard thing to explain and if you just quantify it, but you have to explain to the audience what that number means.

[A]

But also a lot of. I think you read a lot of car reviews, especially ones written by guys who are really good with dynamics. They'll say the power builds from 1800rpm and it remains flat or it's peaky or it's whatever. Usually it's part of the job to find a way to describe that power band. Ideally, Panamera Bread says, I recently learned about The Lewis Erard 2340 line. Looks kind of like the Royal Oak. What's up with the brand? Is it too close to a copycat or homage? You got a picture of this one, Zach? Because I don't really know. Okay, so what we're looking at is what's called an integrated bracelet sport watch. I think it's a pretty nice sport watch. And I think this watch has elements what Is it you've called up the dictionary deck.

[B]

I already know how to do that.

[A]

This watch has elements of similarity with other watches that are both cheaper and more expensive. So this sort of case, it looks, it's not really royal oak, like the royal oak case is more octagonal or hexagonal. Six or eight. It's six sides. The eight sides is the royal oak. Sorry, this is a round dial. It's more like the Rolex Land Dweller, what they've just done. Or the old Rolex oysterquartz. Citizen also has a watch that has a case similar like this with an integrated bracelet. I think this is a very nice watch. I don't know a lot about Louis Arard as a brand, I imagine. I know a lot of their collab watches like the Alan Silberstein one that's like weird, cartoony and I actually think that one's pretty cool. This is literally the first time I've ever seen this particular watch, but I think it looks nice and for under 3,000 Swiss francs. I think it's a brand that is at least familiar enough in watch circles and you're probably going to get a high quality movement. But I've never tried this watch on. What do we have next, my friend? Yellow Bedwetter. Best one yet. Best one yet for Pearl Jam references. My wife has owned a 2002 Boxster S for 20 years and is looking for something similar but newer. Should she consider anything other than a newer Boxster S? It's a weekend summer car. Probably not. I mean there's, I think I can actually say that when it comes to the Boxster, there is no substitute. Like if you actually want a Boxster, like what else would you get that isn't just a Boxster? I mean, I guess if you are. I mean this might be weird but like you might want to consider a C8 Corvette convertible maybe. But something tells me that if you've had a Boxster for 20 years, the new one will be just similar enough and just different enough that you'll have it for another 20 years. And if you can, I mean you should get a gas one like now just in case, if you're considering, you know, you should probably get a gas now. Ferrari SP90 drivers triggered by ED mode. Me and Doug have both owned an H1, a Countach, a mid engine Porsche and probably other cars. Additionally, we have a podcast co host with BMW. What one car from a car celebrity's collection would you like to own, including upkeep costs that you don't own? Already? Well, I love a Carrera gt. Love, love.

[B]

Yeah. I would want Doug's Ford gt.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's not that hard. I'd love a Ford gt. Also, Doug is one economic tier past me, and so when I get to where he's at, I'll get them shits too.

[B]

He's got a great garage.

[A]

Yeah, it's all right. He's got it going on. Doug's coming on the podcast on December 1st, which is my birthday.

[B]

That's why he's gonna be here.

[A]

That's all. I'm sorry.

[B]

He used to come on Jesus birthday, but now he's coming on Farah's birthday.

[A]

He comes around Thanksgiving time.

[B]

I thought it was always Christmas.

[A]

Well, it's the Chris. The Christmas end of your show.

[B]

Holiday season.

[A]

It's a holiday season show.

[B]

We don't call it that anymore.

[A]

For the big ad rates, dude. So we can get the hit in December. You think this shit's accidental? Yeah, I think those are two. I mean, didn't. Didn't Tyler Hoover just buy a Gull Week?

[B]

He did.

[A]

I think he. I think Tyler Hoover sold, like, a bunch of cars to get a Gullwig.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I think he did.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'd love to have a Gullwing. I'm not the right person to have a Gullwing, but I'd love to. That car drives really good.

[B]

The thing with. And also car celebrity is a very broad term because there's folks like Adam, LZ has rad drift cars I'd want to own.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

And then Vin and Otra's got his sick GT3Rs. You know, Ron had a gym Ferrari. He's got some cool stuff. Yeah.

[A]

Bushdid997 says, what's the best invisible car?

[B]

New Prius or a Model 3?

[A]

Sure. Yeah. Model. I mean, probably. Probably a Model 3 or. What's like, the most. What's the most. What's a car? Because, like, everyone knows what a Model 3 is. What's a car that is so generic that just nobody would even know what it is? I just go, what the fuck is that? Like.

[B]

Oh, that just looks like nothing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like a Chevy Malibu.

[A]

Hyundai Santa Fe. The old Santa Fe.

[B]

The old, like a CX5 or 3. I don't know. Any of the eggs. Yeah, all the eggs in white. Fleet white. That'll. That will walk amongst them.

[A]

Sure. Yeah.

[B]

That's what you're trying. You know, if you're trying to be what's his face from Breaking Bad. Like, you're. You're moving A lot of product and you want no one to pay attention to you. I think you drive something that people see a lot of and they just assume that you're Uber or a commuter, you know, they don't have money, whatever.

[A]

Old Dodge Caravan.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

You know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In like a sort of like it looks, it looks like you bought it off like enterprise, you know, used lot basically. That's kind of, that's how you roll cross country.

[B]

But keep it clean. You don't. Yeah, you need to make sure it looks clean and washed and cared for.

[A]

Yeah. My Porsche's Lego says I want to replace my.

[B]

My.

[A]

I'm looking. I need a family hauler daily commuter to replace my 10 year old Subaru. I'm looking at used X5s and Cayennes, but I'm tempted to call to look at the Taycan Cross Turismo. We have a road trip car. So this would be a daily commuter for a 6,4 human with two kids and an orange dog. Charging at home is an option. I've got 60 to 70k. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. You will love commuting in that car. Get the exact same shit I got, you'll be fine.

[B]

Yeah, I'd rather commute in the EV than the X5 or the Cayenne any day.

[A]

I think that that budget will get you the car. Make sure you get your good CPO coverage, you know, from a dealer. You know, don't be afraid to look nationwide, you know, to look far from home and then fly one way and drive it home so you can get to know the charge network. And if you can charge at home and you're driving less than like, you know, 100 miles a day, you're golden. You'll have the best car ever. I just saw this story that Piggly Wiggly Deluxe brings up. Said that Ford CEO Jim Farley said that they have 5,000 plus open mechanics jobs available. He actually referred to them as quote, six figure mechanics jobs available. And we are in trouble due to the lack of mechanics. I'm a Ford dealer mechanic right now and I've been trying to get into tech training courses but I'm perpetually wait listed. I'm trying, but they aren't making it easy to be a tech. What can I do to accelerate my career? I'm just doing recalls but I'm getting kind of bored. I don't know, I've never worked as a tech. I mean, that's interesting that Jim Farley would say that. And I'm wait listed at this dealer. So does that Mean, they need more like totally open and they're not promoting from within, maybe as much or I don't know.

[B]

I don't know. The only insight I have, and this is anecdotal, is an Instagram friend. He knows who he is. He's probably listening. He was an Audi tech, went to an independent shop recently, but he spent years as senior Audi tech and he reposted this story when it came out and he was like, this is a problem across a lot of OEMs. And it's basically we're underpaid. He's like, like, this is. And it's something. And this is his. This is what he said. So I haven't looked at all the numbers, but a common complaint is that the head of business, whatever business that is right now goes, nobody wants to work anymore. And it's like, Right. But we're also not getting paid enough to keep up with the cost of living. So that could be part of the issue now. As far as the promotion goes, we don't know. You know, they might want to. Your dealership might need you there instead of wanting to promote you or, I don't know, there's so many variables there.

[A]

You might not be good at your job. I don't know, I'm just. The joke was there.

[B]

I would say, yeah, exactly. They might not think you can handle. No, I would just say ask, just follow up. That sometimes that's what needs to be done. You're gonna have to push and say, hey, I'm really trying to level up my skills, you know, for you guys and for me. Why, you know, why is this getting held up? And you could talk to your boss, like show them the article. Like, I thought we needed texts. So what's it Just find out.

[A]

Dodge Ramican says thoughts on Timex going up market with the atelier line of Swiss powered watches. Yeah, Timex now has a line of watches that are like 1200 bucks. Like basically what we charge for our watches, 1300 to 1500. It's not bad looking, right?

[B]

It's not.

[A]

No, it's not bad looking. I mean, look, I have no problem at all with a company that's been making watches for as long as Timex has been making watches, which is a fucking long time. I mean, look, 170 years. Wow. Timex has been making watches. So it's not like this is a company that just makes like cheap crap. Like, this is a fairly legitimate watch company. I mean, fairly. They're extremely legitimate watch company.

[B]

When the generals of the north and the south needed to meet for a battle all. They kept time with Timex.

[A]

But so yeah, they've, they've, they, you know their watches are normally a couple hundred bucks and they've, they've tried to go up market here with a couple. I happen to think the GMT on the left of the screen looks pretty nice. I think it's a nice looking watch. I have not held one. I, I don't necessarily know what they're like to wear and I, I wouldn't ever buy one that's. Without trying it on. If you can find a way to try it on somehow, then, then that sounds like a. Probably a good way to check it out. But I'm not against this. Not at all. I think it's a nice looking watch. It's got this cool bezel to it that sort of like dives in.

[B]

Yeah, it does.

[A]

It angles in like almost like the banking of a NASCAR track that goes around the, around the glass.

[B]

It's dished like a McLaren wheel.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty. I think it's a nice looking watch. I like to see one in person.

[B]

I want to see. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, it looks like it's got a nice case shape.

[B]

I mean it, it's got like omega bubble to me, you know.

[A]

Oh the. Yeah, the dome.

[B]

The dome.

[A]

Yeah, the crystal. Yeah, the dome crystal is good. Like a Speedmaster.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

My Speedmaster will be on the. Within that, within that sale.

[B]

Oh really?

[A]

Yeah. Cuz I want the new Speed Master. That's why I'm selling everything. To get the, to get the new white dial.

[B]

Consolidate.

[A]

Yeah, consolidate up turn 10 into 10 into one. Last one last one. Well, a couple more.

[B]

We should just finish these.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And then we're only at hour 15.

[A]

Oh, okay. I used my bezel wrong. Dodge Ramikin says recent torque converted automatics have been lauded for their quick shifts in manual mode. Does using manual mode place more load on the transmission than drop driving aggressively in full automatic mode? No, it doesn't place any different load. It's the same, same load. I mean, I guess like if you, you could intentionally lug the engine in a way that maybe isn't good in manual mode. Like if you upshifted to a gear too high and like floored it from 1500rpm, like the car might not like that so much. And if you drive in full automatic mode, it's just gonna kick it up to the high. The lowest gear available. But like it should. Other if you were doing the same thing, it shouldn't. Right?

[B]

Maybe. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I have no idea.

[A]

But yeah, like the, the most of the recent modern torque converters with like paddles and stuff do a pretty good job. They do not always a great job.

[B]

They do a better job upshifting than downshifting. That's the real thing.

[A]

Yeah. Lucid gravity bong says. Will there be a press car for the Celestiq? Saw one on the road in Pittsburgh and it was mind blowing. Maybe worth a call.

[B]

I think they just. I feel like Jethro just drove one, so I think they're just starting to let people drive them.

[A]

Yeah. Larry Centenario says you're a cop and can pick from any cop car from any of the normal cop cars. What do you drive? Drive.

[B]

Police Charger V8. It's got the 5.7 all wheel drive. They had him in Colorado.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That seems like the poorest man's gymkhana vehicle for me.

[A]

Yeah, I would probably go Charger as well. Although I just. I just saw a Tahoe spec that I liked a lot and I feel like Tahoes would be comfier for me than a Charger.

[B]

Oh yeah?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Surprised you didn't go sob like they had in. Is it Vale? They used to have cars.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, the Stig's LAN cousin. I might have a 2011 Challenger V8 for 5,000 bucks.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Was it used in a takeover? I'm tempted to have it after as a knockaround car after mild refurbishing with this pair. Well, with a GR Corolla, me thinks yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Challenger beater. Yeah, dude.

[B]

It's a comfy grand touring car. I mean that the chair's not 5K.

[A]

You're not grand touring 5K. This is a beater.

[B]

Yeah, that's the beater.

[A]

That seat is going to be so blown out, there's going to be like so much cigarette tar on it. None of the buttons are going to be visible. So much like dipsy black plastic. Yeah, that's fit on the floorboards, but you just take the interior out and make it a fucking ripper. No doors. Yolo. Let's go. The ghost of Woolworths. Friend of mine purchased some land north of Chico. I seem to have convinced him to construct his own dirt track to run time trials on. You are a good friend.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

There are no trees to hit, but I think a beater car is still the smart choice between a cheap Subaru WRX and a rear wheel drive vehicle like a Mustang or Camaro. What would be more Fun for this. I know a guy with a $5,000 challeng. I would say, oh man, it's got.

[B]

To be rear wheel drive if you want fun. It's rear wheel drive. Yeah, rear wheel drive rally car. I mean drifting is everywhere in all media now. Has been for a long time. You're going to want to do that and you want to get. Because if you got a cheap wrx, I mean they can be good rally cars too. But you're going to break stuff eventually. Like the transmissions, glass. It doesn't have the good sti dip. I think it'll be, I think it'll be less robust, you know, rally community chime in. But I feel like a solid axle Mustang will hold up to the beating more. You're gonna dig some ruts.

[A]

I'll tell you what you're talking.

[B]

You need.

[A]

You need something that's gonna take abuse, like a lot of abuse. Especially if you're talking about like you and your boys sharing this car. Oh my God, this poor car.

[B]

Additional idea, go to rally ready's Instagram because they have a rally truck truck. It's like a Chevy 1500 and they, I mean rally suspension, wheels, tires and stuff and watch that thing drift and listen to it and that will tell you what fun is. But you could also use it as a farm truck and carry with it and move things around.

[A]

Right. All of this is a good idea. I don't have any thoughts on the next one.

[B]

Well, real quick, someone says thoughts on the new gymkhana? Do you think it can still be great without Brian Scotto? Brian Scotto was involved. I think he directed it. So it comes out in December. So he was involved in it actually. And so I bet it's gonna be awesome.

[A]

And it's Travis, right?

[B]

It's Travis driving. I don't know if there's other people involved, but yeah, Scotto put up on his Instagram like he was definitely, you know, on the radio and calling shots as the last page.

[A]

Old Rusty Bimmer says you've. I think you've misread something. This article states Musk's EV car company, Tesla is offering rentals starting at $60 a day. Tesla is including free supercharging and supervised full self driving at no cost with the rental. Is Elon promising we get a designated driver with our rental? No, they have to call it supervised full self driving so that no one sues them for implying the car will drive itself.

[B]

You, the renter, are the supervisors. They are not providing a human for you.

[A]

They also just put CarPlay in their cars. After fucking 12, 13 years of being like, our UI is better than CarPlay. We never would need CarPlay. But nobody wants a fucking Tesla now. And so they're putting CarPlay in so that any scraps of people that have might been holdouts because they need CarPlay might want fucking that.

[B]

Yeah, like, it's. I'm very interested to see what GM does going forward. Like, they have announced over and over again, like, we're ditching CarPlay. And if their system's really good and it saves the money, I get it.

[A]

But you see, to not have CarPlay, your system has to be so good. And like, I will give Tesla the fucking credit that they want that. The times I've used a fucking Tesla, their system has been that good. And I've gone, you know what? This. This is pretty good. The map is pretty good. I like the way to use this map. I don't need to use CarPlay on this specific thing. There's been a couple things that are clunky with my phone that are better in CarPlay, but for the most part, like, Tesla and Rivian, like, did the best in terms of not using CarPlay. But, like, there's some shit that I really like my carplay. And, you know, like, my garage door opener is a app, you know, like, things like that.

[B]

Get that.

[A]

Yeah, you don't. With my cue.

[B]

No, I just. And I just got a new garage door installed.

[A]

My apartment faster or something.

[B]

I don't know. I'll send you a picture.

[A]

Like, my. My Q is like, well, so here's the thing that my queue is WI fi.

[B]

Oh, yeah. My. My garage does not have WI fi.

[A]

Can't do that. I wonder. I wonder if there's a short way, short, short range way to do it without WI fi. I don't know. But yeah, it's nice.

[B]

Quick tangent. Today the power was out in my building for three hours. And my building's like a smart building where you use a fob to get in and out and stuff. And we have like a dog chat with a bunch of our neighbors, and people were like, how do I get in? Like this. There were some doors that default to unlocked, but it was not all of them. And so that's a little bit of an interesting problem with smart door technology.

[A]

Yeah, that's why every fucking door in here also has a key.

[B]

Yeah, you need that?

[A]

Yeah, you never know. Chris says, oh, this is last. Oh, I've launched a. All right. This dude is throwing it out there for critique. I've launched a new watch brand in the UK called Sortie, encompassing a British design and a Swiss movement. I'd love to get your feedback. We're gonna do it live. Let's see what Sortie watches looks like. Sortie is like a mission, right? Like it's like you. You fly a Sortie. It's like a fly. I'm flying.

[B]

I was gonna look it up. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Clearly a pilot's watch. You've got a. The hands look like IWC inspired. Big, nice, bold, applied numerals.

[B]

Sortie is an attack made by troops coming out from a position of defense. Go. Or a short trip or journey.

[A]

Oh, look here. So here's your dome crystal that you like.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

I like the applied indices. I like the. The. The. The brushing. The starburst or sunburst brushing on the dial.

[B]

I like your color selection.

[A]

I think the black, full black case is not bad. This reminds me a bit, you know, a lot of iwc. Let's see the blue. Let's see how the blue looks. I like that you've not done a chrome date window. I like that it's a monochromatic and I like that it's not a white date wheel. I like that that's all the same color look. I think it's a very nice looking watch. It certainly has impressions of IWC pilot watches, but not so much that I would say this is a direct homage. I don't know what the W is about. Out in the middle of the wings logo. Like, is that a W?

[B]

Yeah. I don't know what that means either.

[A]

I don't know what I. The wings. Obviously it looks like a pilot plane.

[B]

It's a big. Is the crown stick out farther than big crown?

[A]

No crown guards. Big crown. Pilot watches. Big crowns.

[B]

Oh, that's a thing.

[A]

Yeah. You know, and the gloves.

[B]

Grab it with gloves.

[A]

But like, you know, IWC does this a lot. Solid link bracelet. I like the dome crystal. I think you've gone a little conservative with your dial colors. Black, blue and green is pretty obvious. I would try and go for something unconventional. What Swiss movement is it? Can you see? Let's look at the green. The green I think is nice. The alpha green. That's my favorite color of them. Of the three.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Of the three.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Yeah. This alpha green is nice and really shows off the brushwork of the thing. Can you close this window or close this photo and see the movement? What movement is it? I can't tell by looking at it. I want to look at the text specifications. Oh, it's clearly automatic movement. Go down to movement. It's the next tab down there. Swiss made. Okay. It's a Sellita SW290. Okay. It's a decent movement, it's functional, it's reasonably good quality. But it's only 41 hours power reserve. Whereas the movement we use in our watch is 68 hours power reserve. So I think the movement we use is a little nicer. But how much is this? This is like two grand, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I would say for this price point, I'd rather have an LJP movement. Although this does have small seconds and a date. So maybe, maybe those sellitas cost a little more. I like the one with the, with the green dial. And I think you should go a little more aggressive and non traditional with your dial colors. But I think it's a tasteful design.

[B]

I like the accent colors. Green and orange. Over here it's blue and white and red. So it's not all the same across them. And this black with the whatever, like aqua blue. It's pretty cool.

[A]

I don't love when you do a black case with a black bracelet. When they do a black case like IWC does have a black case pilot watch, it has a black strap like this one has like my Weiss has. I think it's a lot of black when you do the black bracelet. And a lot of times, not always, but a lot of times watches that are full black, they're like kind of cheapy fossil watches which there's nothing wrong with that if that's what the style you want.

[B]

But then this will be associated with that.

[A]

I think it looks down mark to make your watch a full steel black.

[B]

I get why they do it because they make the face pop. This is their stealth black model. So that's kind of cool. But I know what you mean.

[A]

But look, in general, I think you've done a nice first pass at a watch design here. I think it's a tasteful looking watch that clearly references IWC without getting up close to what I would call an homage. Nice job. Nice job. And you're. And your, and your, your name isn't like Cringy Sortie. That's a pretty good name. I just don't get the W in between the wings. Yeah, it's got like actually think it's better than better looking than what brain wants to right now. But anyway, not bad. Not bad. British watchmaking.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Yeah, that's all right. So thanks guys. That's a good show. I appreciate all of you. I appreciate the patrons for ask such good questions today and everybody else for tagging along with us. We've got. What else do we have? Do we have to plug anything right now? The RTR video will be up probably Friday. Friday, yeah. And then we're driving some other interesting things. I think I'm we driving anything before Thanksgiving?

[B]

I have a V90 coming.

[A]

Do you? Oh, Thanksgiving, yeah.

[B]

And maybe I'll drive the Marco, the TLG car if it stops raining.

[A]

Stops raining.

[B]

I wanted to take it to good vibes Friday and bring my father in law, but it just seems like it'll be risky for so many reasons.

[A]

Yeah, but if the roads are good enough, you could drive your car up there. That's true. You can still go. Your car would be fun. Isn't your car. Is your car on race tires right now?

[B]

Yes. I'd go slowly. I have a new set of Redistein Hypertrax downstairs.

[A]

You know what I have if you want to go up on Friday. Rivian is sending me an R1S specifically because they have that rad tuner and the tank turn now. So the quad motor R1S does the axis spins that the G wagon does. And it has a much more in depth module to fine tune the power, the regen, the steering, the suspension. It's called the rad tuner, but it's like pretty in depth of what you. The kind of things you can change to like really with the dynamics.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

So they were like, we want to send you one. I was like, I've already reviewed this car. And they're like, no, no. But it has these two things and we really think you should try it. So like.

[B]

All right, all right.

[A]

So if it's gonna be shitty, just take that.

[B]

I will confirm with you soon.

[A]

We can all go together maybe.

[B]

Yeah. Let's do the super turn and scare Joey.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That's what it's for. We make it the donuts. Thanks everybody. We love you very much. We'll see you later. Bye.