Singer* DLS Drive; Volvo EX30 Review; Wesley Snipes; Q&A

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast Summary

Episode: Singer DLS Drive; Volvo EX30 Review; Wesley Snipes; Q&A | March 26, 2026
Hosts: Matt Farah & Zach Klapman

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Smoking Tire Podcast is a lively mix of high-octane car reviews, wild automotive auctions, some personal stories, and fan Q&A. The highlights: Matt reviews the Porsche 964 “DLS” (reimagined by Singer), the team deep-dives on the Volvo EX30 electric crossover, there’s a hilarious segment about almost buying Wesley Snipes’ “Demolition Man” movie gun, and the hosts tackle insightful questions from their Patreon audience. Fun diversions around buying art, prop auctions, fashion, and owning special cars round out the ride.

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• [02:09] Almost Buying Wesley Snipes' Movie Gun
• [19:15] Volvo EX30 In-depth Review
• [33:08] Singer “DLS” Review (Porsche 964 Reimagined)
• [57:18] Q&A: Car choices, watch collecting, modification, and more

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1. Hilarious Auction Stories & Collectibles

[02:09–10:22]

• Wesley Snipes' Demolition Man Gun:
  Matt recounts a morning almost spent recklessly bidding on Wesley Snipes' prop gun—an iconic, double-history item based on a Heckler & Koch prototype, and pivotal in the movie (03:33).

  “What is an appropriate amount of money to spend on Wesley Snipes’ gun from Demolition Man to hang in my bathroom? Where do you draw the line?” — Matt (02:09)

• The bidding escalated, Matt admits he would have gone up to $9k (06:21), sold for $17,500 out the door.

• Entertainment Props as Collectibles:
  More wild auction items: “Wilson” volleyball from Castaway went for $180,000; iconic Back to the Future 2 fax for $3,200.

  “Yo, that’s Wesley Snipes’ gun from Demolition Man. That’s a better, more fun thing to have in my house [than expensive art].” — Matt (08:20)

• Real vs. Replica:
  Matt’s strong preference for genuine items over replicas: “If you can have the real thing, I wouldn’t fill [my house] with replicas.” (09:38)

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2. Industry News – Fact Checking and Transparency

[11:23–16:23]

• Clarification on Previous Claims:
  Hosts revisit a previously discussed conspiracy thread from Renlist about Porsche allocations and resellers, following a detailed rebuttal from Rob Dietz (“wob”). Turns out, many accusations were debunked or at least heavily questioned.

  “I feel a little guilty that we talked about that without maybe following up on some sources ourselves first... Debunked enough to know that we probably shouldn't be treating it as fact.” — Matt (12:28 & 14:33)

• Acknowledgement of Podcasting vs. Journalism:
  Zach and Matt reflect on the differences in verification between real-time podcast discussions and published journalism, pledging to be more careful.

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3. Volvo EX30 Review – Impressions, Issues, Value

[19:15–33:03]

Initial Impressions

• Matt and Zach both liked the new EX30, especially when expecting it as an affordable EV ($36k base, now more like $49k as tested).

  “I liked it more when I thought it cost $36,000… but it’s $49,000.” — Zach (19:48)

Performance and Driving Feel

• Fast for its segment:

  “It’s very quick—up to about 80, the Volvo beats the BMW M2CS.” — Matt (28:52)

• Preferred driving modes:
  Matt prefers Eco mode as Normal mode’s throttle is too sensitive (20:33).

Interior & Ergonomics

• Small, city-friendly footprint.

• Steering wheel and driver position issues:

  “The steering wheel is up here… where my hands have to be way too high, even at its lowest position.” — Matt (23:50)

• No gauge cluster in front of the wheel (borrows from Tesla style).

• Mixed thoughts on the Android tablet interface—“climate control less intuitive than I wanted” (27:16); climate menu confusion.

• Wireless charging still underperforms and often overheats the phone (29:48–31:12).

Tech Frustrations

• ADAS (driver aids) always revert on:

  “It reverts to full ADAS back on every time you restart... Why wouldn't it stay in the range mode?” — Matt & Zach (21:15, 22:20)

• One-pedal driving calibration issues; braking feels less refined than Mach E or Taycan (25:19; 25:44).

Verdict

• Good value if discounted due to incentives vanishing, but with odd interior ergonomics and some tech annoyances.
• Noted: Car canceled in the U.S. just as their test started due to shifting EV incentives.

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4. Singer DLS (“Porsche 964 Reimagined” by Singer) – Drive Review

[33:08–54:23]

The Experience

• Matt finally drives the ultra-exclusive DLS:

  “I would really think about compromising my morals for one of these fucking things.” — Matt (34:24)

• Compared to Singer Turbo: Turbo is the ultimate daily, DLS is the “weekend version”—raw, hyper-responsive, bordering on perfection (34:49–35:14).

Engineering Brilliance

• Blistering engine response (revving to 9,000), co-developed with Williams.

  “It revs to nine, but when you blip, it… comes down even faster than it goes up. It’s like a freewheeling engine almost.” — Matt (36:02)

• Chiron-spec carbon ceramic brakes on a car half the Bugatti’s weight—engineered for excess braking and perfect pedal feel (37:09).

• Every tactile aspect engineered:

  “Every input… perfect. Just across the board.” — Matt (36:51)

Impressions

• No hollow carbon resonance; expert insulation.
• Gearing and clutch are light, but low-speed maneuverability remains easy.
• “Nothing about this could be better… this is exactly the thing.” — Matt (49:36)

Philosophy and Hypercar Commentary

• DLS not about numbers; focus is pure driving sensation:

  “Who the fuck cares what the 0-to-60 of this is? What’s the top speed? … It makes you feel like you are a God when you’re driving it.” — Matt (43:06)

• “Everything is important”—crank window mechanisms, structure, even onboard luxury feel purposeful and engineered.

• On high-dollar cars:

  “Is it three times better [than the Turbo]? No, absolutely not. It’s maybe 20%, 25%. But… getting to that even higher level is very, very difficult.” — Matt (48:28)

Memorable Quotes

• “You want to sell missiles to the wrong people to get one of these.” — Matt (41:49)
• “Sometimes these really, really expensive things are super impressive… After a certain point, it does get incremental.” — Matt (48:26)
• “Perfection is expensive.” — Zach (49:51)
• “Buying a DLS… you have to have earned $7 million to spend $3 million.” — Matt (45:49)

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5. Listener Q&A Nuggets

[57:18–end]

Highlights

• Vintage Fun Car Advice for $50k (74:35):

  • South Carolina locale. Consider an R32 GTR (if you have a reliable mechanic), 996 Turbo, or Gen 2/3 Viper. Avoid E30 M3 (too slow for the region); Datsun 280Z “bores [Matt] to tears.”
  • “If you’re willing to throw 50 at a JDM car, you could get some other shit that’s real dope too.” — Matt (76:23)

• E46 M3 SMG to Manual Swap (95:01):

  • No major issues if parts are authentic and work is done well; BMW supports parts for both transmission types.

• Box & Papers on Watches (97:54):

  • Only matters for resale; otherwise, enjoy your watch.

• Subaru WRX Value (83:56):

  • “It’s a fabulous six-tenths car… but so is everything else now. The Civic Si is cheaper and more fun.” — Matt & Zach (84:17)

• Normal Cars That Should've Been Made Special (98:49):

  • Fit Type R would have ripped; shoutouts to the Juke R and Mach-E Rally for wild transformations.

• Advice on Power-Sliding for Camera Work (86:45):

  • If tasked to slide a car for a photo shoot, don’t try to “power over” intentionally; instead, build up speed and trail-brake to let the car rotate naturally for more control.
  • “You want to be going quick enough… where you gotta brake really hard and load up the nose… then the back steps out.” — Matt (88:23)

• Fashion/Fat Psychology Sidebar (58:57):

  • Humorous reflection on the psychology of clothing sizes while losing weight.

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6. Memorable Moments & Quotes

• “If you haven’t tried to buy art, you haven’t asked, ‘How much is this?’—and they go, ‘$35,000’—and you go, ‘Eat a fucking dick.’” — Matt (07:24)
• “They made it look like a Jimny. It looks like a Chinese knockoff of itself.” — Matt on Mansory’s G-wagon conversions (81:24)
• “Is it too expensive to drive this amazing 458, or whatever?” — referencing potential T-shirt slogan shaming low-mileage supercar owners (47:05)

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7. Additional Fun

• Jabs at the absurdity of prop and art auctions (“Wilson” volleyball), collector psychology, and the irony of fashion changes.
• Zach’s love/hate with wireless phone charging across multiple cars.
• Extended banter about oddball Mansory products (80:05–83:15).

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Conclusion

This episode delivers some of Smoking Tire’s most fun in recent memory: big energy, sharp insights, laugh-out-loud tangents, and solid advice for enthusiasts. The Singer DLS reverie is must-listen, and both the EX30 review and the prop auction stories are packed with humor, relatable detail, and genuine car-guy perspective. The Q&A, as always, ranges from car nerd to collector culture.

Recommended Segment: [33:08–54:23] Singer DLS Review.

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Full Episode Timestamps by Segment:

• 0:00–10:22: Matt’s auction adventures
• 11:23–16:23: Fact-checking a Porsche rumor
• 19:15–33:03: Volvo EX30 review
• 33:08–54:23: Singer DLS drive and discussion
• 57:18–end: Patreon Q&A (covers fashion, fun cars, watches, and more)

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For More

• YouTube.com/thesmokingtire for review videos
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• Patreon for ad-free shows and Q&A

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Transcript

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

Well, I'm a little sleepy, but we're technically alive.

[Matt Farah]

Did you get the new Covid?

[Zach]

No.

[Matt Farah]

Hot. Did you New? No. Oh, But I don't know, I wonder if Sarah did, because I just. I saw a story yesterday. There's, like, new hot Covid coming in.

[Zach]

Well, there's always, like, new varieties.

[Matt Farah]

Right? But, like, you guys. You guys got, like, Covid, like, the last time we went boating.

[Zach]

That. Yeah, we did.

[Matt Farah]

You got third 1.0 beta.

[Zach]

That was a lot worse.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was like a. Your Covid was like a Cybertruck foundation series. It was no good, but. All right, I'm glad you're just sleepy and not full of COVID No, I

[Zach]

just didn't sleep very well.

[Matt Farah]

I'm sorry to hear that.

[Zach]

That's fine.

[Matt Farah]

I hope it was because you were working for me. No. Okay. A lot to talk about on this show. I drove a Singer dls. That's worth talking about. But first. But first, I almost recklessly spent money this morning. I attempted to recklessly spend money this morning, but it didn't go well. But my sensibilities kicked in. Clapman. That's what happened. I'm on a text thread with some of my friends from back east, and I was like to them this morning, I was like, all right, guys, this is gonna sound elitist and douchey, but you're my friend, so I can say this to you. What is an appropriate amount of money to spend on Wesley Snipes gun from Demolition man to hang in my bathroom? Where do you draw the line of, this is too silly and you should not spend the money. And this is, you know, a funny thing that's awesome and, like, worth having. Do you have a photo of the

[Zach]

gun I gotta find? It's his.

[Matt Farah]

It's his future gun. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. Keep that.

[Zach]

Oh, the magnetic accelerator.

[Matt Farah]

It's the only gun in the movie that's really, like, crucial to the plot. It's like the future gun that. Yeah.

[Zach]

Because all the other ones are just normal firearms.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So on top of this, on top of it being a crucial prop to the plot of the movie, it's also based on a Heckler and Koch prototype of a gun that was never made.

[Zach]

Whoa.

[Matt Farah]

So it's actually got some sort of double history. And I don't, you know, like, you know me. Like, I don't, like, collect guns. Like, if this wasn't the devil, I didn't hear. So anyway. What. What do you think, you know me and, you know, you know, what is an appropriate amount of money to spend

[Zach]

on something so stupid? On this.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Prototype. Do I. Well, I don't know how much you spent on the printer thing. Can I have that for context?

[Matt Farah]

I didn't buy the printer thing.

[Zach]

Oh, you didn't?

[Matt Farah]

I didn't win.

[Zach]

Oh, wait, what do you have?

[Matt Farah]

You mean the thing that printed out the fines? No, I was gonna bid up to, like, four or five thousand dollars for that. I thought that was silly.

[Zach]

And it went. I think it is, bro.

[Matt Farah]

It was, but it went for 16.

[Zach]

Jesus. But all those numbers are higher than I was expecting.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I asked my friends back east,

[Zach]

which are some of your friends.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, this isn't. I do have some rich friends back east, but those friends are not on this text message. My friends on this text message are regular fucking working stiffs. And they do all right, but they're like, regular people. One of them said 200 grand. I was like, what, are you fucking nuts? I was like. I was thinking five. And he was like, oh, spend away.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

He was like, I had to buy something dumber than that to put in my living room that, you know. No, you know, so whatever. I mean, look, once you become a homeowner, you start buying weird shit for your house and everything is really expensive, but, like, okay, I.5 for, you know,

[Zach]

and because of the printer, for context, that helps me. I think this has more value than the printer, but.

[Matt Farah]

Well, the printer. The printer would have been funny.

[Zach]

Hundred dollars.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. No, no, that's kind of what I thought. I thought I would get this for like two grand, you know, but like. And I was going to turn it, then turn it into the toilet paper dispenser, which I thought is hilarious.

[Zach]

That's a good idea.

[Matt Farah]

No, definitely that didn't happen. So.

[Zach]

All right, so five.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So I told Hannah I would be in up to four. Right.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

The pre auction estimate was like a 1500 to 2,500.

[Zach]

But, you know, I'm sure this went for like 200 because it's big, it's a gun, and there's people out there, you know, have a lot more disposable income.

[Matt Farah]

It didn't go over 200.

[Zach]

And you can stand it upright and light it and put it in your fourth foyer or some shit.

[Matt Farah]

Right?

[Zach]

Six figures.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, no. But after telling Hannah that my highest bid was going to be four, my actual highest bid was nine. And then it sold for 15 plus buyers premium. So it was really like 17, five out the door.

[Zach]

People were as excited. I'm actually maybe encouraged by society. They were as excited about this as they were about the printer. They sold for the same money. That's bananas to me.

[Matt Farah]

There was some other great stuff in this auction too. As a big prop master was retiring and selling off his collection. There was some wild shit in there. Dude Wilson, volleyball from Castaway went for like $180,000. Yeah.

[Zach]

How many? I'm sure they had more than one set.

[Matt Farah]

There was 12 balls. There were 12 balls.

[Zach]

Good Lord. People need to pay higher attention.

[Matt Farah]

No, but there's like, yeah, of course, of course, of course. But like, there's, you know, like, look, if you're gonna go buy. Have you ever tried to buy, like, art? Art? Probably not, but like, why not?

[Zach]

Once.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And you look at something and you go, this is nice. How much is this? And they go, it's $35,000. And you go, I'm sorry, what the fuck? This is by somebody that I haven't heard of. And you go, well, I haven't heard. You haven't heard of them yet. And you go, eat a fucking dick. And look, this is funny money for the vast majority of people. I don't have $35,000 art on my walls. But I've been in those stores before where I go, oh, this looks nice. How much is this? And they go, it's $27,000. And you go, fuck right off. I expect you to save 500 bucks. And like, I'm not trying to insult artists. I know it takes materials and time and creativity. Like, okay, and if you can get it, God fucking bless. But for my whatever equivalent dollar. Yo, that's Wesley Snipes gun from Demolition Man. That's a better, more fun thing to have in my house.

[Zach]

I agree with that completely. There's also an auction coming up, man. It's a little cheaper. Something more affordable for you.

[Matt Farah]

Perhaps the Stallone Pre Pro photo.

[Zach]

It's $100. I think we could put you on a payment plan.

[Matt Farah]

You know what? I wish I bought instead. That was like 10 lots before mine in the auction. The one of the five Back to the Future 2 you're fired faxes went for like 3200 bucks. And I mean, still, you're talking about an 81 a half by 11 piece of paper that appeared in a movie, but iconic scene, iconic film. It fits in a small frame on your wall, you know, and that's a pretty cool conversation piece for the vast majority of people between the ages of 35 and 50.

[Zach]

I feel like we could find. What are these printers called again?

[Matt Farah]

I could get a replica on Etsy for 20 bucks. But that's not.

[Zach]

No, but you need to.

[Matt Farah]

I don't actually want the print. Oh, yeah, yeah. If you could get it like that, like hanging out of that printer, that could be kind of fun, you know? Yeah, but. Yeah, but other than that, I mean, you kind of want. You got the real. It's gotta be the real.

[Zach]

Well, the real thing's a story. Like, so it depends on what. Yeah, of course.

[Matt Farah]

I like. I like. I like real things. I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to get.

[Zach]

True. You don't like replica cars.

[Matt Farah]

I don't like replicas of. Of stuff. And I know I have that Relic fake age. McCready. We talked about that. My guitar, like, okay, I'm not a perfect fucking consistent person. But, like, in general, if you can have the real thing, I wouldn't fill

[Zach]

because the real McCready guitar would. This is his. Right. So there's no price on it.

[Matt Farah]

That's impossible. It's not happening. Yeah, but in general, I like the real stuff. Okay, yeah, but. But anyway, man, if you were not even like, insanely rich, but kind of rich and just Wanted to fill your house with some awesome stuff. That auction was fucking chock full of shit.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Fucking Quint's like harpoon gun from Jaws. Like, pretty. Like there was a hoverboard. There are actually two hoverboards. One was screen used and one was a promotional used. There was like a bunch. The hoverboards were like, you know, 100,000.

[Zach]

Dude.

[Matt Farah]

If you're a props, they really were like $100,000.

[Zach]

That's a good ROI as a prop master. Like you've got this thing, you made it for whatever you got paid to make it, and then you sit on it for 40 years and then sell it for 100 times what it costs

[Matt Farah]

to make the movie's good. Sure. And they were saying, apparently some movies, they were making them fast and they had to destroy a lot of the props to just clear out the storage room for the next movie that was coming in. And so they just burned half of it. So there was a few movies and I forget the exact. But like, where just stuff from them is incredibly rare. Cause they like just literally burned all of the props when they were done shooting. Yeah.

[Zach]

Damn, dude, it was neat. I wanna see.

[Matt Farah]

So what?

[Zach]

Okay. Oh, nevermind.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, but so. And also, you know, last show we talked about this thing with the. Was it. Last show we talked about the thread from Renlist was that last show. Was that two shows ago? All right, well, our friend Rob Dietz, wob, who was sort of dragged into this as part of a dealer, he responded to the thread, he sent it to me to read. And it really made me think that we maybe jumped the gun by talking about it on the show and spreading that it existed. Because although he didn't, he robbed Dietz, who is wab, wasn't able to literally debunk every single point in it. He was able to debunk enough of it that it made me question the rest of it and question the rest of it to the point of being like, I feel a little guilty that we talked about that without maybe following up on some sources ourself first. I feel like we lent a lot of, like, potentially undue credence to the thing. To the idea that what was in it was fact. And some of it could be fact, but like a whole bunch of it is not. And in fact, in a sort of hilarious example, one of the accounts that's accused of being a car dealer that's buying these cars is literally the guy who bought my nsx, who I know personally is an individual who is friends with not Just Rob Dietz. Also, because it was funny. Cause he bought my NSX and he bought a car from Rob and we put them on the same truck together. We coordinated shipping to this guy and that guy's also friends with Rob Ferretti. Cause Rob Ferretti sent me a text from this dude with a photo like, hey man, look, I bought Matt's nsx. So it's a guy, it's not a dealer. It's like a fucking dude. So I can personally prove that one of these people actually is the user that bought my car and isn't a dealer. So he posted a very lengthy and detailed response to this thread. And I'm not saying that nothing in it is true, and I'm certainly not saying that everything in it is true, but I think maybe before we talked about it, we should have probably followed up a little bit better. I think that's kind of my bad.

[Zach]

Yeah, I think we talked in the car. Like if we're writing an article, you have longer more time between story breaks and you publish story. So you, you would be almost required like by the magazine to go check a bunch of sources. And with this stuff it's like the story pops up four hours before we record. And we kind of. And we and a lot of other people who are not news networks. And this is the benefit of news networks is they have these like journalistic requirements. Because we're like, oh, we're talking about this thing. And like, we'll see how it develops. There's a lot of content in like, let's report on it as it develops. But it does leave the story a bit one sided until WOB reaches out.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, so it seems like not 100% debunked, but pretty substantially debunked. Debunked enough to know that we probably shouldn't be treating it as fact or certainly not as really hard evidence of a direct.

[Zach]

Well, I think the OP would have to come back with more evidence because like he referenced, he made an app in his original.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, basically. Basically what, what Rob says. Just to summarize some of the things like the AI or the app or whatever they did, it got a lot of the orders of ownership wrong. It got a lot of the end users wrong. And if you just look at the car faxes of those specific VINs, you can see that a lot of those VINs do end up at end users and are not like still in these dealer inventory like you're implying. And like if you, some of the things got the order of ownership wrong. And so, like, there was an owner here, and then it went to a dealer and then to another owner. Like, it was just like, not. And look, again, I didn't personally go through every Carfax that Rob put in his response. He put a very thorough response. You can go read it or not. But casts enough doubt in a way. The two ones that I did look into. He put links to the fucking things. The two I looked into did back up his version of the events. So, you know, I would say that it's substantially debunked, if not totally.

[Zach]

Wow. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So anyway, that's like. I felt like it was important to.

[Zach]

I think it's very important.

[Matt Farah]

With that, we can't go back and change a previous episode so much. Although we could put a little thing in the podcast, in the notes, I suppose, or the comments on YouTube. But at least we can, as we find out, some updated information. You know, should we talk about the Volvo EX30 before we. Before we go to the Singer DLS? Yeah, tease that shit, dude. Don't put the fucking good shit in the back. Guys. Taking a break because support is coming in hot from Deleteme. You guys know about Deleteme? Cause I've been talking about it for a while. Cause I've been using it for a while. They make it easy, quick, and safe to remove your personal data online at a time when surveillance and data breaches are common enough to make everybody vulnerable. Because data brokers are making a profit off of your data. It's a commodity. People buy it, sell it, trade it. And by it, I mean your private details. This can lead to identity theft, phishing attempts, and harassment. But now you can protect your privacy with Deleteme. And data brokers are out there running entire businesses about this. You gotta fight back. And that's what Delete Me does, because this is important to me. I had a friend who got their identity stolen. Someone opened a credit card in my dad's name somehow in Texas. It's crazy out there. So all you have to do is when you go to joindeleteme.com tire. We'll get back to that. You give them your personal information. And I understand the irony there, but that's what you gotta do. You have to tell them what to find. So you tell them where you used to work, where you live, where you used to live, your family, your siblings, et cetera, Your boilerplate information. And then delete me goes to work finding all this stuff and sending takedown notices. And then after about a month, you get a Thing saying, we found your name and address everywhere. And then you have to click a few things to confirm that you want stuff deleted. And then every month that happens, and the number of places that they find your information gets smaller and smaller and smaller. It's probably never going to go to zero because it's always an ongoing system. But the calls, the scam calls, the text messages that I was getting before have definitely been reduced thanks to deleteme. So you can get 20% off your DeleteMe plan and take control of your data, keeping your private life private by signing up for delete me special discount for our listeners. When you go to joindeleteme.com tire and then use promo code tire at checkout. That's the only way to get 20% off is to go to JoinDeleteMe.com Tire and enter code Tire at checkout. That's JoinDeleteMe.com Tire code Tire.

[Zach]

Let me get some pictures.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. EX30. I gotta go take some pictures of this thing before it goes back. But there it is, the EX30. Dead car rolling.

[Zach]

What's funny is that they were gonna bring a single motor car here. They cancel that. Bought this here, and then they cancel this.

[Matt Farah]

Yes. So, Zach, you've been driving it for two days. I drove it for three days before that. Do you have some thoughts?

[Zach]

I have notes. Yeah. There they are. Let's see. Overall, I like it.

[Matt Farah]

You do like it?

[Zach]

I do like it. There are imperfections. Absolutely. And we will get to those. But. Well, I liked it more when I thought it cost the $36,000. The single motor was supposed to cost this, you know, dual motor. Only this has a couple of nice things on it. Heated steering wheel, heated seats. It's like 49.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Which is the average price of an EV in America. But, like, that's a lot of money.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's the same or maybe more than Mach E. I think it's more

[Zach]

than some Mach E. It's more than

[Matt Farah]

some Mach es for sure.

[Zach]

It's more than the dual motor model 3, but it's cheaper than the model 3. Performance.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach]

That has, like, that one's like 55 and has adaptive shocks and all that. And way more horsepower, but this thing's got 400 horsepower. I think it's quick.

[Matt Farah]

It's very quick. Not only is it very quick, to me, the normal, you know, it's got like, eco mode, normal mode, and sport mode. I think the throttle is a little too sensitive in normal mode. I prefer to drive it in eco mode or range Mode all the time. I actually like a little bit dumber throttle. In normal mode. The throttle is fucking sharp.

[Zach]

It's very quick. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And when paired with a one pedal drive, I think it can be a little jumpy. Like when you hit a bump, it

[Zach]

can make some jerky Jaguar jerk.

[Matt Farah]

The Jaguar that's funny.

[Zach]

The Jaguar jerk.

[Matt Farah]

There's a crazy people reference in there too.

[Zach]

Hand jobs for people that you hardly

[Matt Farah]

know from women you hardly know. But what really drives me nuts about this car is that it reverts to standard. It reverts to its own mode every time. Like full ADAs back on every time you restart the car. Lane, keep, assist, all that back on every time you start the car. And even if I leave the car in range mode, it restarts in standard mode. It doesn't stay in range mode. The Mach E, if I put it in range mode, would stay there until I took it out of range.

[Zach]

Did that only happen? Does that happen with Mach E, press cars or only when you owned it and you'd like use your app or your phone?

[Matt Farah]

I didn't use that. No, I never. For three years I used fobs as a key. I never once used my phone and

[Zach]

point against for sure.

[Matt Farah]

Dude. There's this fucking full on binary that's about to start happening with these cars where it's does the car stay with the ADAs off and sort of how I left it or does it fucking not? And man, every car is failing.

[Zach]

Even if it was gonna always revert to ADAs because they'd be like, it's safer, blah blah blah. Why wouldn't it stay in the range mode? You want it?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

That's a really weird change. That's really strange things. I like it's also smaller than the Mach E, size of a bolt.

[Matt Farah]

So I like the compact footprint. Actually. I found it easy to park, drive,

[Zach]

blah blah, blah, blah. I thought it steers pretty good. I got used to the squeal, the square wheel. I wonder if with the square wheel stuff, if they just looked at how most drivers operate cars and they go, all right, you're mostly going straight. You take one turn, that's 10 seconds of your life, then you're going straight again. Because the wheel feels like it's designed to be comfortable going straight. Like people that rest their hand on the top, the bottom, whatever. But then when I went around a roundabout, the steering ratio is not quick enough where I had to get pretty crossed up. I wanted to test it like, can I just turn this degrees like a Ferrari. No, I get really crossed up. So you have to do a little hand over hand on these 90 degree angles.

[Matt Farah]

Not just that there's no gauge cluster in front of the steering wheel.

[Zach]

My least favorite thing, which I can live with.

[Matt Farah]

It's not my favorite, but I can live with it. But this is one of a very small places of places where I have to give Tesla credit. Tesla's interiors are spartan, so they can be cheap. Fucking no question about that. But at least they have a very low cowl and you can put the steering wheel where the fuck ever. Because there's no gauges there. Like I like a low steering wheel and the fact that there's no gauges to block and I can actually have the steering wheel low where I like it. It's actually incredibly comfortable to drive this thing. The steering wheel's up here.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I sit in a way where I have to sit pretty low with the seat almost all the way down, if not down. And my head is a fist from the roof in this Volvo. So one fist. So it's not like I'm sitting too low and need to sit higher. Right. And where I sit and my head is up here by the roof, the steering wheel is up here where my hands have to be way too high, even at its lowest position. And if you put the steering wheel up to its highest position, it's like blocking my view out. Strange thing. So weird.

[Zach]

I also noticed this has something that the old Tacomas did where when I get in the right position for my legs, I am sitting too far away from the wheel, doesn't telescope enough.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach]

If I move closer, my knee touches the dash, which I don't like. And then this thing has. I think it has either a very large B pillar or because of the way the seating position's laid out and the dash to axle ratio, I found myself not seeing cars in the blind spot. Like it has a larger blind spot because I'm so close to the B pillar.

[Matt Farah]

Maybe that's why it has some close

[Zach]

right next to my head, I think. But the blind spot monitoring light on the mirror is a little bit dim. Yeah, I wish that was brighter. Most cars I've driven like it pops out and I drove it today at noon and I was like, oh, that light is flashing. Didn't like that. The one pedal driving was kind of weird. You operate EVs far more often than I do. So one pedal. I had it in high regen, essentially. High, high, whatever. One pedal aggressive.

[Matt Farah]

That's a lot.

[Zach]

It was a lot. But I was like trying to time the lift off to come to a stop at a light and I was coming up short a lot by a couple car lengths. I was getting used to it, but I noticed that if I tap the gas very lightly, like, oh, I need to move forward eight more feet, it would release the brake almost entirely and then just start coasting. And it didn't know that I was just trying to move up a little like some other cars have. So then I would actually have to get onto the brake.

[Matt Farah]

Oh. So the regen one pedal drive sort of stopped at creep speeds.

[Zach]

It like cancels itself at creep speed.

[Matt Farah]

So there's a toggle on the car to turn creep on or off. Did you toggle it off?

[Zach]

I didn't with that. But I know that when I've driven Mach E and when I've driven your tycon like either timing the one pedals easier or when it knows I'm decelerating, like it feels like you're coming to a stop. The car seems to know it. And if you give it a tiny like 1% of gas to just get closer, that one braking or that one pedal braking. So that was that. Just need a little bit of calibration.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I wonder if you toggle off that. The creepy one. Yeah. Different thing. But I thought dynamically it was all right.

[Zach]

Sure. I think the ride's pretty good.

[Matt Farah]

The ride was decent. The suspension and the brakes were decent. I thought the handling was decent. It drove predictably. I like the small turning circle, but the driving position with that steering wheel is really weird. The ADAs not turning off was really weird. And I thought the. I don't like this Android based tablet thing they use very much.

[Zach]

I found it pretty easy to use. Like it nested carplay in the Android shit pretty well.

[Matt Farah]

It did do that. Yeah, it did do that. I agree. But I think the. I was surprised at. I don't know, maybe it was just. It was really hot when I got in the car and I was like panicking. I found the climate control less intuitive than I wanted it to be.

[Zach]

Yeah. When it's on auto it's just blasting. And then when you switch you have to go. And that's another thing with the whole like the tablet thing. You have to go. There are two different climate menus. The climate menu always sits at the bottom.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And I went, oh, okay. I want to turn the fan down. So I brought that menu up. There's no option for that. That menu only has like sync the sides temperature. Yeah, that's it, that's it. Seats and steering wheel. You have to, like, go into the Android menu, climb it, and that's where you can decide to put it into manual mode or eco mode.

[Matt Farah]

So that was where I was trying to figure it out. The car had been sitting outside my house on the really hot day. It was like 1,000 degrees in there. I'm trying to drive somewhere and I'm like hitting that thing where I think the climate thing is. And it's like not bringing up the max AC and I set the temperature down to like 60 or whatever the lowest is, and it's just going, oh, really? Just. I'm like, what the fuck? And it took me a long time to figure out, oh, there's a second climate menu in here that I have to find to mess with. So that once you learn that, like, okay, but like, that's, that's like a little clunky.

[Zach]

It was a little clunky. I wish you could just, like, pull up the way you can in a lucid and it would bring up the whole climate menu. It also has like, the adas Yawn patrol, where. So I, I, I got in the car today. I'd been in the car for three minutes and I yawned and it goes bling and says, do you need to take a break?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

It's like the car's been operating for three minutes all day. Oh, yeah. And it's just because it's detecting where your eyes are and what your mouth is doing.

[Matt Farah]

It's shockingly fast for a little thing,

[Zach]

you know, 0 60s, 3 1/2 seconds. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

We're driving the M2Cs at the same time, and I swear to God, up to about 80, the Volvo beats the BMW, especially when you consider, like, traction and things like that. Like, there's Almost no way, 0 to 80, that BMW beats this little Volvo. Like, it's not fucking happening. But

[Zach]

we're talking about the air conditioning, windows.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

So we can come back.

[Matt Farah]

But it's just there's some things about it that are weird, that kind of bug me. The position of the steering wheel. To me, maybe it fits someone else's body, but it doesn't fit mine.

[Zach]

I was kind of bummed. Like the center console, you know, you can hide the cup holders and they pop out. All right, fine. When you hide them, it's just this giant open space, like the cybertruck. You can reach all the way to the floor. And then it has this shelf, angled shelf that can hold your phone, I guess. Well, it's a Wireless charger, but it's like iPad sized, dude, you know, in

[Matt Farah]

general, I've now found the M2Cs, which I think we'll talk about really next show. This car. A couple other cars I've driven recently have really devoted an awful lot of real estate space to wireless phone chargers that don't charge my fucking phone very well.

[Zach]

They don't work.

[Matt Farah]

They're just. They make my phone really hot. And like, best case scenario, if I'm like using Google Maps and playing a podcast. Best case scenario level. Yeah, it keeps it level.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah. You're gambling and going to work and you're just breaking even every day. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Whereas when I'm plugging in my phone to a USB C, it's actively putting juice into the phone.

[Zach]

Totally keeps it. Well, we'll get it from 20 to full in a reasonable amount of time. And this is an ongoing problem. We've had wireless charging out now for, I don't know, six years. And that was a problem in the beginning is if your phone moved at all, it would disengage it. That still happens. Very few companies went with some sort of holder that kept it in place. And then even so, other than what we say, Porsche, no one has a cooler for the phone. So it can only charge at a certain rate, which is pretty low. It feels like a gimmick that they sell people. And the people that buy the cars for the first time with wireless charging have never experienced the hell of it. And then they go, oh, cool. And then they try it but they can't return the lease and they go, ah, fuck, it stinks. It's terrible.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it stinks. In fairness to Volvo, there is a thing that holds the phone in place. So if it's once it's charging, it's not like flopping around. In the BMW M2, it was flopping around. It's just, it's. It sits there and you hit a bump and all of a sudden you're not charging anymore. Like. Yeah, it's mad annoying, dude. So most of the things about the BMW M2 that I did not like, our manufacturer wide software type issues, you know what I mean? Like that. Not necessarily dynamic issues. Although next week when we talk about that car, we'll talk about a few of those. The car's not perfect dynamically. There are some notes. But the Volvo, Yeah, I thought it

[Zach]

was a pretty fun. It's nice to have a Model 3 option that I think is pretty good. It just got canceled because of EV incentives.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, you may Be able to get one on the cheap. And if that's the case, like, you know, have at it. Because the range is good, the power is great. If it fits your body, then I like that. It's a luxurious feeling car in a small form.

[Zach]

It's pretty damn adjustable. Yeah, sorry I cut you off.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, I didn't learn. The lumbar adjustments are hidden.

[Zach]

Yeah, you got to tap the button.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I. I didn't. It took me two days. I was like, why is there no lumbar?

[Zach]

I think I only know that because of the Volvo V90. I drove over Thanksgiving. Same thing. Like that square holds all the keys. So if you tap it, it. You know, it's a multi. It's. What is it, like a 12 function? 12 functions hidden within one button?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So you got to know how to operate that device. It took me a minute to be like, why? Why is my lumbar, like, not right on this? And that's why. But thank you to Volvo for letting us have a go. Maybe next time don't kill the model before our test, and we will do more covering it.

[Zach]

I mean, I think they didn't want to, but forces larger than them.

[Matt Farah]

Right now, the Dynamics and lightweighting study. Porsche 964 reimagined by Singer. I think I've pronounced that. Porsche 964 reimagined By Singer as part of the Dynamics and Lightweighting Study.

[Zach]

Maybe I feel like you're lawsuit proof now.

[Matt Farah]

I think I'm pretty lawsuit proof. Most people would just know the letters DLS and know what I'm talking about. Finally got to have a go. It was a short go. It's not a real. Well, it wasn't not. It was. You know, I'm pretty in tune with cars. I don't need a super long go to know what amazing is. So Maz from Singer, I saw him at Malibu. I was with Christian hand in the Manx, and Maz was like, oh, I really want to have a go in the Manx. And I was like, you may have a go. And he tosses me the key, and I was like, oh, nice, light key. He's like, yeah, you think that's light way? Do you feel the car? And I was like, oh, oh, okay. So I was like, christian, fucking get in. Let's go. And, man, I understand. I understand. I would really think about compromising my morals for one of these fucking things, for sure. You know that meme that's like, money can't buy happiness, but it can buy a jet Ski and you don't see unhappy people in a Jet Ski. It's that, it's that exact thing. And it's like. Yeah. So you just build up a business, get like 10,000 employees and then just like fire half of them, pocket the money and then you have one of these like. Okay, cool. Could do that.

[Zach]

Well, so the last singer we drove was the Turbo.

[Matt Farah]

Turbo, right, right.

[Zach]

So the Turbo is. Give me comparison.

[Matt Farah]

So like the Turbo is the ultimate daily. Right. If you're super fucking rich, that Turbo isn't a weekend car from you. You drive that all the time. Right. Like that's, that's like the best thing about all this. But in a package with like fabulously light clutch and could just every.

[Zach]

It's the perfect blend of old car and new car flavor.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's like if you had the lightness of inputs of a brand new Cayman. But in this old looking car that has like 500 horsepower and rips. That's kind of what that is.

[Zach]

But modern turbo throttle response. Yeah. So good.

[Matt Farah]

This is like the weekend version of that where like with this motor, this four cam motor that's like co developed with Williams. When you like blip. Yes. It revs to nine. But like when you just do the blip, it's like that. You know what I mean? Like the like some motors when you rev them, it's not how they open, it's how they close. You know what I mean?

[Zach]

Sure. Well, there's a flywheel aspect to that. But they throttle body decelerates slower than they accelerate.

[Matt Farah]

Right. Most motors, even high performance ones, if you go they'll come down a little slower. This comes down at even faster than it goes up. It's like a freewheeling engine almost. So it's. You know, if you've ever heard like a fucking liter bike like an S1000 or whatever, Voom voom. Like those really fast like fast, fast revs. Like think F1 car or think that type of. It's like that. And so you either have to shift really quick or you have to feather the throttle a little bit in between gears because the engine feels it has no weight of its own. But the inputs just like that turbo are perfect. Shifter feel just perfect. Just across the board. Every input's perfect. The ride quality is exceptional because it's so light it doesn't need to run a ton of spring. It has Chiron brakes. It weighs like just over half of what a Chiron weighs and has Chiron brakes.

[Zach]

Is that just because the brakes that are on The Chiron. Are they AP racing? Are they just so good?

[Matt Farah]

Brembo, they're giant car. They're the biggest carbon ceramics that you could fit in this car. I think there is a bigger one, but you need to run like 22 inch wheels.

[Zach]

No, I'm just wondering. And obviously the engineers at Singer know what they're doing. Like, why does it have the brakes of a 4,000 pound car?

[Matt Farah]

I think because they're the best body can buy.

[Zach]

You can never have too much brake, I guess.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean it has incredibly advanced calibration. I mean the whole thing is like, you know, it's a TUV like approved car.

[Zach]

Is it manual steering or.

[Matt Farah]

It's not. It's not manual. I don't. I couldn't tell you what type of pump it is. But it is not a manual steering rack. The effort is too easy. My guess is it would be a motorsport based one like they were using in the993 race cars. Something similar to that, which is also what Gunther uses on the turbos. Excuse me, but you just, you just. Every input and like every vibration that you feel is a good one and every bad vibration that you don't want to feel isn't there. You know, like. And it's. You can see all this raw carbon, but it doesn't feel like those hypercars that feel hollow because they're made of raw carbon where you hear all the gravel and stuff. Like it's somehow both expertly insulated and incredibly light. And like, dude, I wound out third gear to nine. I don't know how fucking fast I was going, but it was really fast. And then just stood on the brake pedal and it stopped like a Koenigsegg.

[Zach]

Yeah, just.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, just like. Yeah, this is all right. And everything about it is exactly what somebody that has been that knows what they're doing and was given an unlimited budget would do. Like, it's like, it's the most perfect car I've driven.

[Zach]

The Turbo experience, which this is probably like that. There's a clarity to the sounds and experiences. That's like a perfect stereo, you know, like you don't hear any little buzzes hiss. You need. You know, if Christian's ear was in front of the greatest stereo ever, like that's what driving these is like, both in terms of the sound but also the sensations. They go, we know what you want to feel and what you don't want to feel and hear.

[Matt Farah]

It checks the correct box on every one of those items, which is really, really wild. Really wild. I mean, you expect it. This is like you'd hope $3 million car. Like, if it's not all of that, you'd go, eh, you know, but like, it has that same steering wheel that we love, that perfect steering wheel from the Turbo. I think it's a little more carbony in this one, but it's effectively the same shape. It has the same shifter from the Turbo because they've used the. They did this first and then they go, we're using the DLS gearbox in the Turbo now. So, like this, it's that and it has. But what's really nice is usually like 911st or even the GT3 touring. If you have that very light clutch, the car becomes stallable. This had the very light clutch with the very revvy engine, but still not stallable. Like low speed maneuverability. It wasn't like bucky and jerky. You could kind of like ride the clutch a little bit and just smoothly move in and out of a parking space. Really nice.

[Zach]

I wonder what they did to make that so perfect.

[Matt Farah]

Like, they spent so much fucking time. Dude, they spent so much time on all those calvary calibrations and stuff. There's like a. I think it's a five stage traction control system. That knob right behind the shifter. There's all these different, you know, there's different engine maps and different, like ABS maps. They really, they did a lot of like, some stuff that was like really OEM grade and some stuff that's really motorsport grade. Marino, you know, did a ton of work test driving it. And this was. And Maz was very like. He was like, this one's like, this was our prototype. It's like, not like finished, right? Like, it's not great. I'm like, dude, stop telling people that because, like, you obviously know what to look for. But, like, whatever you think I'm seeing in this motherfucker, like, I'm not seeing

[Zach]

if this is the crappy one.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

You'll take it off their hands at a heavily discounted rate.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So it. Dude. Dude, this thing was fast and just all the fizz. So choice. So fucking choice. Yeah. You want to sell missiles to the wrong people to get one of these. You know, you want to be like the fucking Paul brothers, Go to Puerto Rico, not pay taxes, talk mad shit. If there's a singer at the other end, I go, I kind of get it.

[Zach]

At least there are cars that cost around this much money that are less perfect. I think cars like this, and I think Koenigsegg is Similar, to a degree. They set the bar so that the other people that are trying to come up and sell in their market should do their best to meet it. Because this is what's available.

[Matt Farah]

What I really like about this is when you, whether you're driving it, whether you're riding in it, like with a hypercar, it's what is the top speed? What is the this, what is the that? What are the numbers? Is it faster? You. Who the fuck cares what the 0 to 60 of this is? What's the top speed? Fuck if I know. I don't know.

[Zach]

Something they don't. Yeah, it's true. They don't really talk about it.

[Matt Farah]

What's the difference?

[Zach]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Matt Farah]

What's the difference? It revs to nine and it makes you feel like you are a God when you're driving it. That's what I'm talking about. I don't give a fuck what the 0 to 60 time is. It's probably not even that good.

[Zach]

I wonder, we get asked this question a lot. Will hypercars, supercars start to slow down in the interest of driving dynamics and stuff like that? And it would take more than one company. But if all of the top end companies started focusing on engagement and making the engines at 600 horsepower, not 1200, 1400, whatever. I think that does trickle down from the top. Because when we were young, it was all about getting faster, more power, faster, more power. Well, now we're there and we realize it's not everything. So maybe this will kind of progress.

[Matt Farah]

Because when we were young, faster and more power, you're still shifting, you're still. There's not a lot of computers, so. So we didn't know at the time that faster and more power would lead to technologies that took away from some of the fizz.

[Zach]

I think that's partly true. I think it was also harder to make power, especially like in the 80s and 90s.

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah.

[Zach]

And now it's so easy. Once the things are easy to get, people don't care about it as much.

[Matt Farah]

Right, right.

[Zach]

So, yeah, that seems sick. The NA cars seem like the turbo ones are really fun. But I just like the response of na. The sound of it, all of that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean this, it's got cylinder heads that fucking. Made by a Formula one.

[Zach]

I mean, that's the problem. The engine is like worth more than my entire net worth. Almost.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. The engine's like 500 grand in these fucking things.

[Zach]

Wow, that's bananas.

[Matt Farah]

It's truly, truly an exceptional piece of Machinery. And it's a shame that all of them aren't driven. This one's got 6,800 miles on it. And it's a shame that they're not all driven like that. But it's incredibly profitable to not drive one. But I would hope that if you had enough money to buy one, that you would go, now that I've driven it, I go, okay, look, you gotta be fucking seriously loaded to have. Because to earn $3 million legitimately, you need to have to spend 3 million legitimately on this car. You need to have earned seven. Right? Like, that's. You need, you know, legally, if you're. If you're paying and some. Some rich people out there going, lol, no, I don't. But that notwithstanding, like, that's a fucking ton of money to put into a car. But like, man, you know, I wonder if people.

[Zach]

Game over people that can afford this. There's probably a lot of people that buy these cars and they have 10 to 20 other cars and they've got all the cool hypercar stuff. It would be nice if these racked up more miles than the other stuff because this is focused on driver enjoyment. Enjoyment and, you know, would kind of pull them away from the big power figures, I hope.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, there are a few cars that I've driven, most of which are Porsches, mainly because they're the last really manual transmission cars around, you know, but it's like, it's the stuff where you go and stuff like this. Stuff like that, where you just go, man, I could just stop right here. And I. Maybe that's not true. Maybe you get there and it just happened. But I can't imagine not being satisfied with something like that over a long period of time in terms of driving it. And like, over a long. How are fucking. How are miles not worth the money in something like that? That I don't get.

[Zach]

I think they're totally worth. I mean, these are probably just going up in value, I'm sure, because the waiting list, there's so huge few of these. Yeah. Vin and Otra had a funny thing he put out the other day. Like, he wants to start shaming people. Rich people who don't drive their cars and just be like, oh, man, why could you not afford to put more miles on it? It's a great trick. That's pretty, pretty good.

[Matt Farah]

Could you not afford to put more miles?

[Zach]

Someone's like, because some people are proud of their low mileage. Whatever. You'd be like, oh, is it too expensive to drive this Amazing. Four, five, eight or whatever.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, Yeah. I wonder how you could spin that into a good T shirt. There's probably a way to succinctly make that into a good T shirt. But I like the idea as a concept, if it was like the Daniel Mack, but the opposite.

[Zach]

Who's Daniel Mack?

[Matt Farah]

The what do you do for a living Guy.

[Zach]

Oh, right, right.

[Matt Farah]

If it was the opposite of that, like, tell me about your car. How many miles are on it? Could you not afford to put more? That's actually a pretty funny gag.

[Zach]

I like that you just start with, what do you do for a living? And they're like, bow. And does it not make you enough drive this very often? And if someone has 20, 50 cars, like, you know, they can't drive, they can't put that many miles on something, but there's people out there that have, you know, 15 cars and, yeah, they just let them sit.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, look, if you. Yeah, there's people that pride themselves on that. Yeah, there was that guy. There was that guy that, you know, that had a lot of Vipers. Like a lot like 20 Vipers. And all but two were delivery miles. And yeah, he sold a few of them at a profit, but it's a lot of space and wasted, tied up resources.

[Zach]

Probably underperformed the index.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you could have doubled your money in seven years or whatever just on some basic ass shit anyway. But this to me is a real example of like, fuck, sometimes these really, really expensive things are like super impressive. And you got. You want to fucking be like, there's no way that's worth it. And you go, look, after a certain point, it does get incremental. You know what I mean? To go from. And again, I realize the numbers are insane, but to go from 1 million in the Turbo that we drove to 3 million in this is it three times better. No, absolutely not. It's maybe 20%, 25%, right. It's like, it's just fucking. It's just cranked up. But like, when you get to that high level, then getting to the even higher level within that is like very, very difficult. Like, the amount like this car to me is the most quote, everything is important car that I've driven from that company.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

That's like their sort of motto. But, like, this is the one. This is the first one where even after like 10 minutes, I was like, nothing about this could be better. This is just. This is exactly the thing. So, like, I, you know, I get it. I guess they probably.

[Zach]

Perfection is expensive.

[Matt Farah]

It's fucking really expensive.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's so expensive to make something the best.

[Zach]

I should say mechanical things that are perfect tend to be expensive.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, A lot of things that are natural things that are perfect or expensive. An ocean view, a diamond, I mean, you know, you name it. Natural things can be expensive.

[Zach]

It's true. You can also just go, you know, it depends on your. This is going to get too subjective. But the, the perfect expensive, unique car is going to be expensive, unfortunately. And this is just all the things turned up to 11 and the things you don't want turn down to zero

[Matt Farah]

and all that shit's expensive that you didn't even know you didn't want to be better. You know, like, like the, like the crank. The crank windows, like it's. This thing has crank windows, but the crank window mechanism is this beautifully like, fucking made thing that it's more satisfying to roll the window down using this thing than it would be if it had. I'm sorry I don't have a better picture of the crank window, but it's. It's somehow better to do it that way than it is to do it the other way because you get to use this beautifully made, you know, machine. This is the turbo. Probably has power windows. I think it does. But. But it's just that it's that kind of shit. Let's see. Is there. I don't know if there's a DLS interior.

[Zach]

Oh, that's the DLS you're driving, huh? Is this the one?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's it. Maz brought it to. That's Chris Harris driving at the ice race.

[Zach]

Oh, shit.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it. Was that the same car they drove the. They had the Turbo, but they also had Maz's car. Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So anyway, it's not going to be surprising to many people to hear that this car is essentially the second coming of Jesus Christ. But sometimes shit is. Dude. It's like, that's an engine that like, is in a car, but feels more like a motorcycle engine is like a pretty wild thing.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You know, especially when like it's. It's powerful enough to actually make because with the four cam head, it can have a torque cam profile in the lower half of the. It's like vtec, you know what I mean? So like there's. You drive around in this thing that's like a racing engine, but below 5,000, it does have some power. You can drive around, it's not like dead. So you can drive around and like, you know, kind of rip the thing up to about 4 or 5,000 rpm, like you would do when you're just sort of driving normally and it's not like a dog or it doesn't like sputter or anything like that. And then you get into it and the thing comes on cam and it's holy fucking shit. From five to nine, you better hang on to your balls, man. That thing is. You're going. By the time it goes past eight, you have to be ready on the brakes. Like you're going faster than even you think you are.

[Zach]

Is upshifting. Is timing the upshift hard because of how quickly the revs drop.

[Matt Farah]

If you're driving real fast and shifting it not like fox body power shifting, but like shifting it fast on the way up, you can match the revs appropriately, but with a proper lift. If you're just, just cruising around, you do not. You don't take your accelerator foot all the way off. You have to like catch the revs a little bit to shift slower, otherwise it won't match. Quite right. But that's the same as the st. The ST was exactly the same as that. Yeah. Or if you did a manual swapped Ferrari 430, it would be just like that too. Or what do you call it? But 5.99. But like, yeah, that's a treat. 10 minutes was not enough, but it was also enough to go. That's it. That's the shit.

[Zach]

How many T shirts would we have to sell or how many giveaway tickets?

[Matt Farah]

We'd have to like inherit, you know, the money. We'd have to have different parents. Even me, you know, I already won that lottery, but I'd have to win a bigger one somehow and. Or we'd have to like oppress people. We'd have to like do crimes. We'd have to run a scam of some kind. Speaking of scams.

[Zach]

No, don't segue that.

[Matt Farah]

No, absolutely not. Our Porsche giveaway will probably not get us a dls, unfortunately.

[Zach]

Yeah, no. Well, it's rad. You got to drive it. I mean, what a magical thing because it took, what, 20 years of this job to get to drive the Singer Turbo. I think.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Obviously it didn't exist, but like it took that long to get a Singer press car. And so now you're jumping in and they've got more models coming out. So this is good. You're in the door.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Wait till their crossover comes out. They have a. They have an electric crossover coming out next year.

[Zach]

No, no, they've got like the.

[Matt Farah]

No for China.

[Zach]

They've got the.

[Matt Farah]

You haven't seen it. The singer. The singer XR4 be Yang Wang.

[Zach]

Is it made by Volvo, which is really made by.

[Matt Farah]

It's outsourced to Geely. No.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

They also make a hell of a watch.

[Zach]

Well, no, they've got Cabrio coming out.

[Matt Farah]

The convertible is really interesting. Did you see this? So they had the rear structure, essentially the firewall and the structure of the car behind the seats re engineered with like a carbon insert that makes the structure of the convertible as rigid as the structure of the coup.

[Zach]

Whoa.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And they worked with. Shit, I forget who it was. They might have worked with Dallara or they worked with some. I don't think it was Williams again. I think it was a different Red Bull. I think it was Red Bull. They worked with Red Bull, I believe, to make this carbon thing that reinforces

[Zach]

like it drops into the open.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Basically they remove the firewall and they remove the floor of the floor pan of the car and they replace it with this carbon cell that creates a much more rigid structure. I think if you scroll down, it says it shows the thing. It shows the piece somewhere. No, maybe not. It looks pretty rad though, doesn't it? It's a good time.

[Zach]

Yeah, I'm sure it's fun, but I'm just saying, look, they got five models available, Matt.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, Classic turbo deal. Yeah. So, you know. Thanks, Maz. Love you. He had good things to say about the Manx as well. He said the low speed drivability and the throttle engagement was really good, which for a weird engine is very hard to do. Shall we go to the people? You should. [e-mail] TheSmokingTirePodcast is where you help your favorite podcasters keep their show floating. It's also where you ask us questions for the live show and then subsequently watch the live show. It's where you get the show early. It's where you can get the show without ads. It's where you can get extra show and it's where you can get access to exclusive collabs and things that we're doing over here. Zach and I had a good creative meeting yesterday for our next collab. It's not a watch. I think it could be really fucking cool.

[Zach]

It's really cool.

[Matt Farah]

I think it's fun and different and it's something I haven't really seen before. So I'm excited to do it. And we should have more on that one pretty soon. But that's going to be really fun. It's going to be Available exclusively to patrons. Can you Zoomza in, please? I also, interestingly, Zach went to. Went to have my eye examined. I went to have my eye examined because I thought maybe my reading glasses were getting less effective. And they said my right eye has changed by, I think, 0.5% and my left eye is the same as it was two years ago.

[Zach]

It seems good.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, it hasn't changed that much. Basically what they said is it's probably not worth me trying to get new glasses right now. Should probably wait another year and see if it changes a little more. Otherwise I'm spending 500 bucks for a. That's basically the equivalent of all of the clothes I bought when I was a smaller XXL that I've worn twice. And I'm now an xl, which feels really good. But now all these brand new fucking clothes are too big for me. And so it's real. I'm proud. I feel good. It's nice to be able to buy XL clothes. Really opens a lot of doors. But.

[Zach]

But now all these clothes you bought, they can't wear.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's not that I buy fancy stuff, but I buy quality stuff. So, like, you know, I bought. I bought, like, some nice sweaters and shit that, like, are now. I wore them once. They're too big. I'm like, damn, this fucking sweater was like 200 bucks, dude. I'm like, fuck. So I don't know what to do.

[Zach]

I was listening to Stavi's show and he said he's like, somewhere in New York, there's a storage unit with plastic bins full of his old sweatsuits that go from 5x to, like, whatever he is now. And he's like, I don't know what to do with that.

[Matt Farah]

Well, I was talking to my therapist this morning about this. Is it mentally healthy to get rid of all that stuff, barring the cost, or do I store it in case we see it again?

[Zach]

That's tough, because if you get rid of it, you can go, all right, I'll never. It's like throwing away, I don't know, the life vest or whatever when you get to the desert island. I'm staying here. That's not. When I was fat, you know what I mean?

[Matt Farah]

I kept my skinnier stuff in case I saw it again, right? And I did. But now that stuff is too fatter, too gone. So the question is, I think it's bad omen to keep the fatter stuff, but a good motivation to keep the skinnier stuff. If you go the other way, that's

[Zach]

where you want because you want to be on the skinny stuff you don't want. But if you have this backstop.

[Matt Farah]

I don't want a backstop. Right. Fat stuff. But there's a couple things that are, like, sort of expensive, like sweaters and jackets, where I'm like, ooh, I'd hate to have to buy big, expensive sweaters and jackets again when I have brand new ones here.

[Zach]

Can you make them, like, winter relax y clothes? Like, you wear the jacket with a sweater under it because it's super cold out, and you could.

[Matt Farah]

But here's the thing. If you were once fat, you never again want to layer up in a way that makes you look fat.

[Zach]

Okay,

[Matt Farah]

this is a bit of fat fucking psychology. Let me share with you.

[Zach]

That makes sense.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

You don't want to bulk on your clothes to fit things better than.

[Matt Farah]

Hannah was like. And Chee, she means well. She doesn't know she's been petite her whole life. She doesn't get this. She was like, no. She's like, you just wear it oversized. I go oversize. Are you fucking crazy? Overs? You know how hard I've worked to not be wearing something oversized? I'm not just gonna continue with the oversized.

[Zach]

What if that fashion, like hip hop, you know, 90s super oversized, comes back in?

[Matt Farah]

If Bella Devoe comes back into fashion? That's what my tailor said yesterday with the suits my dad gave me. My dad has so many dope blazers. He ran Ralph Lauren. My dad has all the dope blazers in the fucking world that he doesn't wear anymore because he's retired. I'm now thin enough to wear his blazers. I'm, like, so stoked about this, and I'm stealing his blazers left and right. He don't even know, except he in his 40s. He's shrunk a little bit because he's old now, but he in his 40s, he was 6 5, and I'm 6 2. So his Blazers are a little long for me. But that you can't cut them. That's a problem is you can't shorten a custom blazer. It just can't really be done. And so I have all these blazers that fit me like dope, except they're a little too long. My tailor's like, just keep them for five years. The fashion will come to you.

[Zach]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. All right. AMG Hammer time. Kun touch. This says, I listened to your review of the Lotus Carlton from a couple weeks ago, and it got me thinking about what a powerhouse Lotus engineering was in the 80s and 90s. Is it ironic they haven't put their own engine in a car in over 20 years? I mean, is it? IR engines are hard and I think Lotus understood that their engines were not that good and other people's engines might be better and they can focus on the things that they do well.

[Zach]

I think it's also really expensive to build engines. I think, you know, to actually like, I don't know, forge or cast your blocks and stuff like that is probably a really intense and expensive endeavor. And Lotus has never been that flush with money.

[Matt Farah]

Right the hood left unlatch thoughts on JSSX as an alternative to major airlines? That's Jet Suite X. I've flown it once for certain legs. Pricing is only slightly more expensive than a major airline.

[Zach]

And you can bring a dog on it.

[Matt Farah]

We just thought you can bring a dog. Smaller terminals, you fly out of the private side. I don't hate it. I would fly it more but I. Dude, I am addicted to my Delta status. I'm so addicted to it. Flying on American home from the BVI with no status, bro, I can't live like this. There's no way.

[Zach]

There's also even if you don't have stat like the plane seemed old, no screens. That's annoying. Cross continental flight.

[Matt Farah]

So I would use Jetsuitex a lot more if I wasn't so ingrained in the Delta sphere. I need my miles, I then use my miles. I get all these upgrades for my status I then can use. So because I fly so much for work, I get diamond status which gets me upgrades so I can use an upgrade and effectively buy a coach ticket and get a first class ticket. Having said that, if I couldn't do that, I would shop Jet Suite X for every flight if I did not have loyalty. It's dope.

[Zach]

Seems nice.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it is dope. Yeah.

[Zach]

Prices vary a lot. Like I looked up, flying across the country is much more expensive than a regular airline.

[Matt Farah]

But on a short trip it can

[Zach]

be pretty good and convenient.

[Matt Farah]

Our good friend and our good friend, my client and patron Tony A. Loves Jet Suite X. He flies with his dog on Jet Suitex all the time in cabin dog hang, dog hangs out.

[Zach]

That's the thing is they're just there with you. Yeah. Yeah, dude.

[Matt Farah]

My dream. I love it. If I'm fucking. If I'm hanging out in let's just say Delta comfort exit row, maybe someone sits down next to me. The dog. Do you mind? I might. Yes, let's fucking. Can the dog hang out with Me.

[Zach]

Can I pet the dog?

[Matt Farah]

Yes.

[Zach]

There you go.

[Matt Farah]

You just made my flight better. Thank you. Please bring. I know people hate dogs on flights, but not me. I like a dog.

[Zach]

I feel like everyone smiles when the dog gets on the flight. As long as it's a well behaved dog.

[Matt Farah]

Gavin Sullivan says MASERATI Gran Turismo versus Aston Martin V8 Vantage. Thoughts? Two ways to play this. One, new cars and cars that are like 2013 era cars.

[Zach]

Yeah, very true.

[Matt Farah]

So let's start with 2013 era cars. My answer is clear. Aston Martin.

[Zach]

I agree.

[Matt Farah]

All day, every day.

[Zach]

Get a stick, get a manual. Looks better. Better interior I think at the time. Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, definitely back in the day now. Today, Today, brand new. I'm actually driving the Vantage S this week, but we'll leave that one out of it. Let's say current gen Gran Turismo versus current gen Vantage.

[Zach]

Still going Vantage.

[Matt Farah]

Also Vantage. Yeah.

[Zach]

No, no, I think the better question is now. Even now. I was going to say two years ago actually. Yeah. Four years ago before the Vantage, before the Aston updates to the interior. Then it's a tighter race because I think the exterior of the Aston was not as pretty. The interior was aging real bad. Maserati also wasn't that fresh, but that

[Matt Farah]

was closer, you know, as the Grand. As a new Gran Turismo, given a sufficient cash on the hood, it's a two plus two. It's a little more relaxed and it's actually a very nice road car.

[Zach]

Definitely.

[Matt Farah]

It's also all wheel drive.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Which depending on your climate may make a difference.

[Zach]

It's really a cheap Porsche Turbo. If there's cash on the hood, which there should be.

[Matt Farah]

It's a cheap. No, no, it's not as good. It's a cheap Bentley gt.

[Zach]

Oh, okay.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's a cheap Bentley GT if there's cash on the hood. Yeah, yeah. The Vantage is more sporting. Dungeons and Datsuns. Is it possible these high gas prices might boost EV sales? It is possible. We talked about this last show. Americans seem to have kind of a short attention span when it comes to. It seems to come down to how are the gas prices at the very moment I need a new car.

[Zach]

Yeah. Or the very moment I'm buying gas.

[Matt Farah]

Was it Jared Rosenholz? I send you the website Carbuzz. Shout out to him. Sent me an article after we talked about it before. Basically if gas went to $4 a gallon nationally versus what it was today. The average F150 hybrid. Excuse me, the average F150 driver that has a 5 liter V8, a new F150 would spend $1,000 a year more in gas than they're spending right now. Whereas if you have a Camry hybrid, you would spend something like $370 a year more than you were spending right now. If gas went from where it is today nationally to $4 a gallon.

[Zach]

I want to go to the table.

[Matt Farah]

There's the table.

[Zach]

Right. And then here, the second table would show. Here we go.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yearly fuel. So today national average is 246. But last week it was. Excuse me, I'm sorry.

[Zach]

So this is the difference.

[Matt Farah]

If it went today, it would cost you, with today's fuel prices, the average driver, it would cost them $2,468 to fill up an F150 for a year. Last week it would have only cost $2,127. So just from last week to today, It'll cost you $340 more this year to fill up your F150. The difference in a Camry versus today versus last week is $1,000.90 today and $878 last week. So it'll cost you $211 more this year to fill up your Camry hybrid. Just this week cost you more this week from last week. If it then goes to a $4 national average, the Camry driver will spend $374 more than today per year, and the F150 driver will spend $1,078. So if gas goes to $5 a gallon, it'll cost $1,464 to fill up your Camry for a year or $3,500 to fill up your F150 for a.

[Zach]

A year. Yeah, but, you know, back to the question and your point, I think, like, it's only been, it's been like two weeks. So I don't. People might be. A few people might be thinking about buying an EV and going, oh, shit, I should have done that. But for people to make a snap decision, sell their car, buy another car, like it's a big effort, they're probably hoping, as we all are, for many reasons, like the conflict ends and prices go back to normal. Now if this is seven months in and you know, tens of thousands or thousands of troops are there, and it's like, oh, this is going to be an eight year situation, then people might start thinking about switching to a hybrid or ev. But even then they're going to have to do the math on how much more is this ev. Going to cost versus the car I have. Can I get a used one? Actually, David here was telling me that there was a Polestar 2 on bring a trailer that went for like 12 grand.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

That's an amazing buy.

[Matt Farah]

It is.

[Zach]

So in that case, sure. But buying a new car, it might be too expensive.

[Matt Farah]

So what would be very ironic to me would be if the Trump administration spent a year assaulting the idea of EVs, ensuring the tax credit goes away, finding this loophole so that the public chargers aren't built only to enter us into an unforced war where gas gets so high that people are incentivized to buy EVs. That would be the most Trumpian loop of bullshit. You know what I mean?

[Zach]

Of the week,

[Matt Farah]

right?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Fuck, I don't know. But I love having an electric car right now. Boy, fucking do I like walking to work. Yeah, well, that too, right? Doug's Dinero.

[Zach]

That's good.

[Matt Farah]

When it comes to finding parts for older cars, the Countach, for example, are you exclusively looking for new old stock? What if you can't find the parts you need? Are manufacturers required by law to produce parts for a certain period of time after the model is discontinued? I'll take the last part first, Doug. Yes, they are. And oftentimes they stop as soon as they're legally required. I think Audi makes parts for 10 years after the cars stopped being made, other cars as well. So I have had the privilege of not having to personally look for parts for the Countach. Donnie did that. And now that I'm not working with Donnie anymore, Damien is doing that and Damien's people are doing that. So fortunately, I don't have to do that. There are a pretty good number of resources for both new old stock and just new parts for old Italian cars. I think they're expensive, but they exist. Now, the hard one is Hannah's Nissan Power that motherfucker. Because it's rare, it's old, and it's also not valuable enough that it's worth an industry popping up to service its needs. At a certain point, Pirelli was forced to start making tires again. People bitched, and Pirelli had to start making tires for Countaches and Diablos and LM002s, which is great. Means now that we can drive our cars. For a long time we couldn't, or if we want to do it was shady, but with a pow, man, there's parts where you don't find that shit. It's because it doesn't exist anymore. Or you have to have something made or adapted.

[Zach]

Real quick. Hemmings. And shout out Mike Musto. They did an article. There actually is no law that exists in the United States that says companies have to keep making parts.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, no way.

[Zach]

But it seems like they. I mean, they do.

[Matt Farah]

Gentlemen's agreement.

[Zach]

Yeah. And this is also why, you know, you would type in a part number and it'll be the same Bosch number or the same whatever number as other cars from other OEMs or other models. It's like car companies don't want to re engineer or they don't want to have their suppliers re engineer a solenoid or a relay or a window part every new car.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach]

Like that's cost prohibitive for everybody. So they can keep it going. So it might seem like they're continuing to make parts for your car, your model of car, but your part is

[Matt Farah]

probably in some other cars.

[Zach]

Probably in some other cars. So that. That's good. Now it's more specific, like the pow.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach]

That's trouble, you know.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, the power. No, the power is a weird one. The power is how I spent, you know, eighteen hundred dollars having a genius diagnosed that my fucking blinker switch was fucked up, you know. Is that the end?

[Zach]

No, no. There's more.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, no, no. Two cats, one car. Oh, no. Moving out of a city apartment. Finally getting a place that has a garage again. I want a vintage fun car. Help me narrow down my choices. I've got 50 grand, a land Rover Defender as a daily, and I live in South Carolina. Okay. E30M3 Datsun 280Z, R32 Skyline GTR996 Turbo 911SC Gen 2 or 3 Viper. Good run. There's a lot of value in these choices here. A lot of value. And you are in South Carolina. Boy, are you fortunate. South Carolina, they don't give a no fucks.

[Zach]

R32 GTR.

[Matt Farah]

They don't give a no fucks. Japan is your oyster. Down in South Carolina, you are good to go. But here's the thing with South Carolina. Not a lot of curves, not a lot of corners. So you're really looking for a car that's going to be fun when you're cruising in straightaways and sweepers and things like that.

[Zach]

I think that gets rid of the E30.

[Matt Farah]

That's a slow E30 M3 is going to be out. It's going to be out for sure.

[Zach]

280Z.

[Matt Farah]

Those bore me to tears. I can't be interested in one of those. Personally. I can't 996 turbos are a good choice. Good choice for South Carolina. A 911 SC Targa. I love it. In general, I don't think South Carolina is the most interesting place to own that particular car, but I can't hate on it. A gen Viper.

[Zach]

Now we're getting, I think a gen

[Matt Farah]

gen 2 or 3 Viper is pretty fun for South Carolina.

[Zach]

It is.

[Matt Farah]

You get a lot of respect down there.

[Zach]

In one of them. They look, I saw one on the highway today and I went, damn, does that thing have presence on the roof? You just have to make sure you're short enough to use it. Meaning that you can see out the windshield.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach]

That's important.

[Matt Farah]

But make sure it's comfortable for you. And I think that's a good value for money in South Carolina.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So for me, R32 GTR 996 Turbo or Viper, personally, having driven all of those, if you could get a great 996 Turbo for 50, which I'm not sure you can, but if you could, that would be great. 50 goes a pretty long way in an R32 skyline.

[Zach]

Yeah. That gets you a nice car similar to a 986 Turbo. Like they do similar jobs. Yeah, I think.

[Matt Farah]

And furthermore, if you're willing to throw 50 at a JDM car, you could get some other shit that's real dope too. You could get a very sick supra that would just happen to be right hand drive.

[Zach]

You could get a chaser, you could

[Matt Farah]

get some other really interesting stuff.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's true.

[Matt Farah]

Pretty interesting stuff. If you're willing to go jdm.

[Zach]

But I'd go between Viper and gtr. It really depends on their height and what you want to do with the car. Like if you want to do big, big power stuff, eventually get the gtr, you know, put money into it and go do quarter mile or half mile shit.

[Matt Farah]

I'd rather own a GTR than a Viper. Having driven them both pretty extensively. My only hesitation in South Carolina would be who's going to work on my gtr?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So before you buy a JDM car in America, wherever the fuck you are, you need to make sure you have a fucking guy.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Or gal or whoever.

[Zach]

You need a person.

[Matt Farah]

Preferably honestly, preferably non binary. I mean honestly, preferably not a robot. If you're identifying as a gender, you're not thinking about my car.

[Zach]

That's funny.

[Matt Farah]

I need you to be asexual and non binary and focused on my head gasket.

[Zach]

If I pull up and the Dude's like, what are your pronouns? I'm like, you're worried about the wrong thing, Sir, I want you to focus on the tolerances of these pistons and the crank and all that stuff. Not a euphemism.

[Matt Farah]

That's so funny. Username reimaginedbysinger with some sports cars nowadays being so refined, you don't have to work to drive them fast, like cars in the 90s and 2000s, what new car would you like to be? A little more unrefined?

[Zach]

BMW M cars.

[Matt Farah]

BMW M cars are a great choice, but I would also like to be able to. I would also like to be able to. Well, so unrefined is a good word because I can place it wherever I would like. I'd like to remove all ADAS functions upon restart. That would make them more unrefined, technically.

[Zach]

I think one of the problems, one of the things I'd remove is a lot of the nvh because there's a lot of cars today that sound good outside the car. And we have to have the speakers talk to us because we can't hear the engine note. Because people have asked for a quieter car. So choose your sports car. But I mean, there's plenty of stuff that sounds rad when you roll the window down and when you roll it up, you can't hear anything.

[Matt Farah]

That's an interesting problem. Right? It's like people want their car to be more refined. They also want to hear the engine. They also don't want to hear the negative stuff. So what do you do? You know, they have to augment with shit through the speakers or whatever. And it's usually when you turn that stuff off, you realize why it's there in the first place.

[Zach]

Well, it's because it's like they're trying to get rid of a lot of road noise too. And that's what a lot of the active noise canceling is doing in a car. It's getting like. There's microphones in some cars, in the wheel wells and shit. It's canceling these frequencies. But one of the byproducts of that is also muting the exhaust note, which can be a shame.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. L.L. cartier, gun to your head. You have to take your wife on a date in a Mansory product. What would it be?

[Zach]

What is the longest car they make?

[Matt Farah]

I don't. I'm not familiar with their. Can we pull up their website and see what their product range looks like today? I think they came up with something. I think they came up with Something recently that wasn't as heinous as I've seen in the past. Well, that's not good. No, that's not bad.

[Zach]

The Rolls Royce colonies are bad.

[Matt Farah]

Carbonado. That's a awesome name.

[Zach]

That sounds like a pasta dish.

[Matt Farah]

Wait, I'll go back to the Lamborghini. Carbonaro.

[Zach]

Carbonaro. Can I have cheese on the side, please?

[Matt Farah]

Like a pasta dish. The Koenigsegg Jesko by Mansory. It doesn't look like they've done anything.

[Zach]

That's what I was thinking. They've done a little too much.

[Matt Farah]

Have they?

[Zach]

Yeah, because the Jesko looks pretty aggressive. But I think they added all these many, many gills here.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But like, I can't personally tell that Koenigsegg hasn't done that.

[Zach]

That's fair.

[Matt Farah]

Like, if I. If you saw that, that. That's it.

[Zach]

You would take her on the boat.

[Matt Farah]

I would take my wife on a boat. In the Pirelli 42 by Mansory, which is a RIB boat, semi rigid and that look, it looks like it goes about 60 on the trip.

[Zach]

We saw a bravo.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we did see this.

[Zach]

It was kind of like this.

[Matt Farah]

It's got triple V12 offshores. God, that's terrible. Wow. The equipment. Oh, God, it's gone. It's all gone wrong.

[Zach]

This is better. So, yeah, The Equestri, which is based on a Ferrari 12 cylindri. That's very bad.

[Matt Farah]

Brutal. Wow, that's so terrible. What are you. Wait, is that real?

[Zach]

Of course it is.

[Matt Farah]

That's a G wagon.

[Zach]

What is that?

[Matt Farah]

Dude.

[Zach]

Converted into a four door convertible, but

[Matt Farah]

it somehow looks like a Jimny. They made it look like a Jimmy.

[Zach]

Mixed up the proportion somehow.

[Matt Farah]

Dude, it looks like a Chinese knockoff of itself.

[Zach]

It does, it does, it does. They've gone full circle.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, I'm not gonna say the word because we don't say the word anymore. But the word, the R word, is how it looks.

[Zach]

I know.

[Matt Farah]

You know what I mean? Like it's fucking. They've droopy dogged it. It's like.

[Zach]

Yeah, well, there's got all these, like, there's angles here. It makes it. It's just a collision of carbon fiber.

[Matt Farah]

It's a droopy dog ass. Thailand, Fucking Thai. It's crazy.

[Zach]

Yeah. The whole front looks like it's melting.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, my God.

[Zach]

This is a fun game. All right, so far, the Bentley, the Continental gt.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, wow.

[Zach]

Is the most subtle.

[Matt Farah]

It's a modicum of taste. Yeah. It's all black, that's why. That's perfect. The Mansory, initiate. From what I can see in this photo, which is apparently just an exterior silhouette. It's perfect.

[Zach]

They took a picture at night. That was good.

[Matt Farah]

Oh no. These Rolls Royces are no go. Oh God. What are they doing? What are they doing to G wagons?

[Zach]

This is called the Pugnator.

[Matt Farah]

The Pugnator.

[Zach]

Pugnator.

[Matt Farah]

Pugnator.

[Zach]

Pugnator. But if I'm buying an $800,000 car is the image I want to think of a pug. Love that dog. We live with one for four years. Not the aesthetic I'm going for with the car.

[Matt Farah]

800 G's on a Ferrari. So listen, all these are bad, but one of them is a boat. And so you could, you know.

[Zach]

I think I'm gonna go with your answer. I would take Sarah out in the Koenigsegg because it looks like a spaceship and it is. The rest of these are just rand. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Truly extraordinary. Truly extraordinary.

[Zach]

Impressive. It's really impressive.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. Nugatori in Nagoya says I feel like Mitsubishi is circling the drain. Let's give them some love. What are the best Mitsubishis of all time?

[Zach]

Oh, I mean every Evo obviously.

[Matt Farah]

Your Evo range and your Pajero Evo and your Eclipse. Your Eclipse gsx, you know, and its siblings, the Eagle. There was a. There was the. For a minute the Diamante was some shit. You know, back in 93, a diamante was like something.

[Zach]

I liked the Galant when I was younger. I just thought it looked nice.

[Matt Farah]

Galant VR4.

[Zach]

Pretty good looking car. 3000 GT was all right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

But yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Rye Pontiac. Rye says the 25 WRX is doing a 0.0% APR and the 26 WRX has reduced its price by $3,000 to $4,000 across the board. How are they valued in your opinion? I mean the thing about the WRX is it is a fabulous six ten car.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's such a six tenths car.

[Zach]

The problem with that is you can get that same amount of joy from a lot of other. No longer unique in that way.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Like it's break. When we had it at performance car of the year, it was so soft. Like this formula was dope in 02 in 02. 225, 250 horsepower, all wheel drive, manual light.

[Zach]

That was sick and rare.

[Matt Farah]

It's been the same shit since then. So like it's not that this is a bad car, it's that it's a very soft car. Yeah. And if you're trying to buy a car that's like A real sports car. It falls apart at like pretty low levels of stress.

[Zach]

Yeah. I think I've had more fun in a Civic Si, which is cheaper because these start at 37 grand.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy.

[Zach]

And so you're getting like, what's an Elantra N? Elantra N is, ooh, same or less.

[Matt Farah]

A little bit, yeah. Went up a little bit like same or less and just smoking it. It.

[Zach]

Yeah, absolutely. Destroying it. That starts at 35. Cheaper. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The idea that you would buy a WRX today rather than an Elantra N is crazy.

[Zach]

That is a wild thing. But like, people go all wheel drive. Just if you got good tires, front wheel drive is going to be fine.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

That's the rule. Wow. And I think Subaru, they asked, is Subaru ever considering the idea of an sti? I think there were some stories last week that Subaru put some patent docks in and for something that looks a lot like a new sti.

[Matt Farah]

So, I mean, if they're going to be taken seriously as a performance brand, which I don't know if they care if they are true. I mean, they make money selling Foresters and Outbacks and whatever. And you've heard my thoughts on the new Outback. They're not great. But anyway, let's go to broken BMW apologist. I'm headed to a car. Wait. Oh, okay. I'm headed to a car related photo shoot. Our professional driver has had to cancel last second. The shoot team knows I've been doing high performance driving and racing for a decade and have asked me to fill in as pro driver. I feel a bit of imposter syndrome because obviously the goal of racing is not to power slide around corners on demand. Any advice on how to approach power sliding a car on demand for camera? Yes, I do have advice.

[Zach]

There's a lot. I think there's a lot to this question.

[Matt Farah]

There's a lot to this question. And this is advice that is worn in blood. Not blood, but one very Much totaled Audi R8 at the Anglesey circuit.

[Zach]

For people listening, this is great. You're pouring a whiskey, which is like, I just asked a police officer of 40 years, like this story and he's like, this night and you know, crack it open.

[Matt Farah]

All right, listen, here's the lesson I learned from Chris Harris and I'm going to tell you. You don't learn to slide a corner in a car. Now, I assume you're, you're going to be driving a car that is not your car. Like, if this is, if this is your car, and you're, you know, familiar with how to slide your car, and the only difference is there's a camera there. That's a different question. Make sure the camera is in a very safe place.

[Zach]

Make sure it's not in the impact zone, meaning on the outside of the corner. Unless they have a lot. Like, if everything went really wrong on this corner, your energy is probably going to the outside of it. And make sure that camera is not

[Matt Farah]

in that spot or it's looping to the inside just after the apex if you overcook it and lose. So don't be in those two places. Yeah, that's the photographer's side.

[Zach]

And I will say real quick, and I'll let you go. Like, this photography team, they may not be as experienced as you think they are. They may be very experienced. Great. But you are gonna have to think about safety. And if they're putting you in a position that you feel is unsafe, you have to be able to tell them that and maybe explain why, because they might just go, oh, we shoot flowers and dogs a lot. Why can't I stand here? Because if I lose it here, I'm hitting you in the face with a car. So just be comfortable doing that.

[Matt Farah]

So in my experience, and I say this as not being the best driver in the world, if you're the best driver in the world, if you're Lee Keane, if you're Chris Harris, you're probably not asking this question in the Smoking Tire podcast, so I'll assume you're not right. So here's what Chris taught me after I fucking crashed, and here's what I've done ever since and has worked. The way to learn how to slide a car around a corner is not to try to slide a car around a corner. The way to slide a car around a corner is to drive the car clean with traction control fully disabled until you go and pushing yourself faster and faster and faster and breaking into the corners harder and harder and harder to load up your front end, harder and harder and harder. So that eventually you get to a point where you turn in on that front end and the back steps out. Naturally. Where you're going to have a problem is if you try to initiate a power slide on power, that's a less controllable slide. Whereas what you really want, and any drifting school would teach you this, but same here, is you want to be going quick enough that you gotta break really hard, and braking really hard is gonna shift that weight forward, and you lay on that brake and you are trail braking through the turn in. So that as you're turning in, that weight's on the nose so much that that's when the back end steps out forward the slide. And you, by initiating your slide under braking, you have a much more controlled slide. That is really what you want to be doing for the camera. So you don't just fucking sit at the entrance to the corner and try and power just because you're just going to spin. It's just going to be a mess. Instead, practice driving it clean. Go. Okay guys, photo team. We need our clean shots first. While you get your clean shots, you're going quicker and quicker and quicker until you find a point. The car wants to oversteer under braking or you can make it oversteer under braking. And that's the start point for doing your slides, I think. Or don't listen to me because I don't fucking know. Shit. TST's new Peterbilt. It's a Kenworth. It's a Kenworth. Please, I will only buy a Kenworth. You should watch Ice Road Truckers too. It's crazy. Oh, psa. The Right to Repair act was introduced in the house and needs enthusiast communities help. Is it sign the petition? Is that the thing? What do they want people to do?

[Zach]

Yeah, tell your legislator to support it. So just go to the website, we'll put it in the show notes. But this comes up every year, unfortunately and it's something that basically affects anyone who owns a car.

[Matt Farah]

So. Yeah, I don't know the answer to Carne Azanda's question, although you have a great username. Prayer of the refugee wagon with Montana plates. What would net the better driving and ownership experience? An older but well maintained 911 or a newer Boxster Cayman that costs the same as an older 911. Lots of things to consider, but for the same entry price, what would you choose? Dude, this is a tough one because it's. I don't personally and maybe this makes me elitist somehow, but I don't work backwards from my budget. I don't go, I have $40,000 that can get me a 2014 Cayman or it can get me a 20069 11. Which should I buy? I have a dream that one day my children that don't exist. I have a dream to own a car. That dream could be a long term dream like the Countach. It could be a short term dream like I drive Rick Demand's silver car and I go, fuck me, I've got to have this. Or Lee Keane's car. Would go, oh my God, I've got to have this. But I have a dream. I fall in love with a car and then I figure out how to pay for it. So this question of what is the better driving owner experience. It's like the owner experience is you have a Porsche, you have to maintain it at Porsche shops or maintain it yourself using Porsche parts. It's not that much more expensive to maintain a 911 than it is to maintain a Boxster. That's the argument against cheap Boxsters and 944s and 968s and whatever the fuck, right? So, like, do you want a mid engine car or do you want a 911? Like, you know, do you think differently than me on this?

[Zach]

No, I always think of the car first.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I don't go, I have this much money that I just want to spend on a car. What can I get? It's like, what has captured my imagination? And then can I find a car that costs this much? And then if I can't, what cars are available in my budget range that would give me some of the same flavor? Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The question isn't what would approximate a 911 for 40 grand? Or what would approximate a Cayman. I don't want to dismiss a question that starts with budget and works backwards, because so many of our questions start with budgets and work backwards. And almost everybody out in the real world does have a budget. But I just really want to impress on people that starting with a. It's weird to me, me personally, I have a budget. It might be higher than other people's, but I have a budget. I can't just fucking buy whatever like you. I start with a dream and then figure out a budget. So what do you want? Do you want a newer Porsche mid engine? Do you want an older Porsche rear engine? They just feel different. I don't believe that a 911 is inherently better than a Cayman. It's not. In many ways. It's worse, actually. And obviously I spent my money on a Boxster. I could have bought a 911. There's a million 911s I could have bought, but I bought a Boxster and I love it and it's fucking perfect. So, like, I don't know, it's like, what's your dream? And I mean, yes, you can buy a nicer, newer, more powerful Cayman for the same money than you can get 9 11. Sure. But that may not be the dream.

[Zach]

Yeah, the vibe will be different, this power will be different, the handling is different. The cost of ownership probably be different

[Matt Farah]

re education through working on shitboxes. That's very good. I'm looking into E46 M3 SMGs with the sole intention of manual swapping them. Have either of you driven a swapped one and is there anything notable or weird about them that could potentially make it worthwhile to just get the original? I haven't heard any real issues with manual swapping BMWs.

[Zach]

I haven't either. If they're done by, if they're done the right way with all the right parts. From what I've heard they feel the same.

[Matt Farah]

Well, and I don't think so. BMW, unlike Ferrari, like Ferrari only made a very small number of, let's say manual gearbox 599s, like parts don't exist. Ferrari made a very small number, relatively speaking, of manual gearbox 430s. The parts have been made by third parties, hopefully to factory spec. But maybe not the BMW E46. There is no shortage of factory spec parts that are available to do this swap. Right?

[Zach]

Yeah, you could. Any part is available because the companies, because BMW knows I need to be able to service my manual equipped from the factory E46. So all the parts and all the little knickknacks and all the levers are available in case one of those fails on my car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And is it Getrag who makes your gearbox? I think so. So the Getrag 6 speed, it was used in other things, other BMWs, other other stuff like in its basic form. So things like clutch, cables and blah blah. Just like, all that shit just like exists for BMWs. So like, whereas the limited number of Ferraris, and back when I was investigating that shady ass company, I called Graziano because this company was alleging to me that they could do 4, 5, 8 swaps and other manual Ferrari swaps and they said that they had gearboxes coming from Graziano. Well, I called fucking Graziano and they had no idea who these people were. So like, you know what I mean? Shit is not always above board. Right. But I suspect, and I mean this is suspect, that there are enough parts available to do an effective manual BMW swap.

[Zach]

I think it's a known thing. I would just look on the forums and stuff and make sure there's no weirdness with like the computer. You know, the car came with an automatic. Does the engine get talked to by that transmission? And now is it getting confused? But probably not.

[Matt Farah]

I mean we've driven enough SMGs, dude. I'll tell you that an SMG is straight trash.

[Zach]

So bad.

[Matt Farah]

Even, even our boy Peter's car. And what a lovely man.

[Zach]

That was amazing.

[Matt Farah]

What a lovely man and what a lovely build. But, like, you ain't fooling me, motherfucker. Not with that.

[Zach]

That shit is terrible. I was like, all this money.

[Matt Farah]

That shit is so terrible.

[Zach]

He wanted it to be like the one he had. I get it, bro.

[Matt Farah]

Now smg, swap it. Garbage. Oh, man. Jacking. Off the record. If you were keeping a watch for life, would you care about the box and papers? No, I wouldn't. No. I have watches that don't have box and papers. I don't give a fuck. Box and papers is money in, money out. You're gonna pay less up front because the watch doesn't have box and papers. And then the guy you sell it to is gonna pay you less because it doesn't have box and papers in between that motherfucker's on your wrist. The box and papers, if they existed, are in some drawer somewhere taking up space.

[Zach]

And if I knew I was gonna keep the watch forever. Forever, forever, then I wouldn't care about the box and papers because I would only have that if I'm like, maybe one day I'll sell this and I'll get more money for it.

[Matt Farah]

Look, if you already have the box and papers, you should keep them. There's not a reason not to keep

[Zach]

them, but I wouldn't seek out that watch with that stuff.

[Matt Farah]

I understand why people want it. You buy a car with service records. You buy a car with no service records. You know what I mean? You buy a car with no service records, it's gonna be 20% cheaper and you might have to do fucking whatever, right? And then you sell the car with service records, and it's gonna bring less money because of the same exact reason. It's the same bullshit. If you have them, great. If there's a watch you love that doesn't have them, price accordingly, make sure it's not fake. But there's fake boxes and fake service records. You buy the seller. But in my opinion, no, if the watch is legit, it's a real watch. Whatever. Money in, money out. Yeah. Avenge Lotus Sevenfold. That's great. What's a normal car that a manufacturer could have made special? That's a very good question. And I think one of your examples is actually the one, the Honda Fit Type R. A Fit Type R would have been bananas. It would have been so fast. It absolutely would have ripped. I like that a lot.

[Zach]

Yeah? Yeah. I mean, people, they race those things. They're really, really fun. The juke R was special, right?

[Matt Farah]

The juke R was absolutely special.

[Zach]

So that one I wouldn't include. But yeah, a fit type R would have been sick.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Element off road. Nah, that would have been slow and that would have been like an outback. Who cares?

[Matt Farah]

A normal car. I mean, I gotta give a shout out to Ford on this one. The Mach E rally went from a toaster to an unbelievably dynamic machine that I would put up against the 911 Dakar in a rally scenario any fucking day.

[Zach]

Yeah, or like put up against Giacorola for sure. Yeah, that's a good one. I would not Charger Hellcat Normal.

[Matt Farah]

No Pontiac Simon Phoenix. So by the way, if you come to the race, if you end up doing the race, I'm almost locked on a Durango Hellcat transport vehicle for us to get from the airport to the track. Because the Friday is practice quali day and you can run street legal vehicles and we could track test the Durango Hellcat at Road America, which would be a really good. I did the Jeep Trackhawk at Road Atlanta and it was an unbelievably fun time.

[Zach]

Yeah, dude, the drag would be fun.

[Matt Farah]

It would rip.

[Zach]

Oh my God.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it would rip.

[Zach]

Talk about gas, gas consumption, bro. 4 miles per gallon maybe.

[Matt Farah]

It would be so bad. But Dodge is giving me a charger for this road and track thing, the Desert 600. But they won't let me put it on the track. They say there's a track ready one coming, but it's not this one. And they don't want me to put it on the track. And I understand, I do understand. And I'm not going to put it on the track. I want to, to drive it on the road trip. But I said, you know, like the week after that trip I'm going to Road America. Do you have a Durango Hellcat in Chicago? Because I have to pick up three people at the airport and load all of their fucking shit and racing gear out to Wisconsin to the track. And then I need something to practice in on Friday at Road America. And he's like, we have a Durango Hellcat for you.

[Zach]

It's like awesome, the sound of that on the long straight. Oh man, you get to listen to that, that, that tune for a while.

[Matt Farah]

Dude. We might, you might be passing race cars. It's. It is possible because the race cars are on track too.

[Zach]

Yeah, but they have way less horsepower.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you're fucking. Dude, you're. Our race car is like 280 horsepower. 700 horsepower.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the end of the straight it would definitely pass it. Power to weight be damned. Yeah. Plus the all wheel drive.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It's so silly. Pontiac Simon Phoenix. Last one and then we're going to wrap this particular show and we'll save the rest for later. My brother's looking at a Taycan. He's convinced he wants an early model Turbo or Turbo S. I'm trying to convince him to get a newer base model. Anything that he would be missing going with this plan. Okay, you just. My advice, you don't want a 20 or 21. You want a 22 and up. That's what I have. My car has been fine. Like.

[Zach]

But why do you not want that year?

[Matt Farah]

The first year had really some issues. Big common bugs, battery problems and all kinds of crazy shit. And a lot of the cars were fixed. Some of the cars were lemon. But like. So I wouldn't get a 20 or 21. I wouldn't buy any of them. Honestly. 22 and up, I think you're probably okay. Having said that, all Taycans are really fast, like even the base model. So if you aren't used to very fast cars, a Taycan Turbo S is like riding a rocket. It's disturbingly fast. It will make you nauseous. People want what they want and they just want the fastest one. I get it. You want to brag or whatever, scare your friends once or twice. I totally get it. It. What I wouldn't do is talk someone out of the thing they want by saying they don't need it. Because that's not how people buy cars. But I would advise them against buying a 20 or a 21. And I would just say, look, a 4S. 2022 is still insanely fast. Just get that and you'll have a lot less issues. Reliability, whatever. You know, debadge it if you must.

[Zach]

Right. Or get. Or get him a Turbo badge for Christmas. Because if he's looking at the. The bad year Turbo, that means that whoever's selling it knows it's from a rough year, they're gonna unload it for cheap. And if he can. So. But if he's looking at like a 23 Turbo and he can afford that versus like a 24, 25, you know, otherwise.

[Matt Farah]

Well, he says early model. Early model to me means 2021.

[Zach]

Yeah. Then just. I just send him the many, many forum posts.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. The reliability stories are not great on the those and 22 and up is substantially better. They refined a lot of stuff and ours has been. Ours is just one but ours has been good. I haven't heard, like, crazy horror stories about them, so I'd focus on reliability more so than, you don't need a turbo because nobody wants to hear that shit. You know what I'm saying? The number of people I know that have cars far beyond the power that they're. Are truly capable of handling is huge. Is basically everybody. So. Yeah.

[Zach]

Right. Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Right. That's our show. Thank you, everybody. We love you all. Thank you to our patrons for supporting us throughout the years. We certainly appreciate it. And thank you to everybody else for listening. We appreciate you as well. See you next time.

[Zach]

Bye.