The ZR1 is INSANE; Wooden Manx; M3 Wrenching; Q&A

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast – “The ZR1 is INSANE; Wooden Manx; M3 Wrenching; Q&A”

Hosts: Matt Farah, Zack Klapman
Date: October 7, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Matt and Zack reunite after a couple of busy weeks to dig deep into recent automotive adventures. The show kicks off with Matt’s recap of the Performance Car of the Year test, including high-octane impressions of the new Corvette ZR1 and heated comparisons with some of the world’s quickest street cars. Zack shares tales from wrenching on his M3, while Matt details a uniquely “wooden” solution for storage in his VW Manx. The guys also preview their upcoming live show at Willow Springs and respond to a batch of engaging listener questions—ranging from classic car recommendations to the realities of EV ownership in harsh winters.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Catchup: Bills, Wrenching, and Decaf

• Matt recounts being back in LA after two weeks away, tackling a mountain of bills and chores before the show.
  “I crossed 13 things off the list and there’s only 19 things on the list, so that’s pretty good for the first four hours back from a two-week trip.” (04:12)
• Zack dives into DIY mode, tackling the intake manifold swap on his E90 M3 to install an Eventuri airbox.
  “I’m on the disassembly part, so we’ll see what happens with reassembly…” (03:52) “I was shocked because this [stock airbox] is a piece of plastic…probably weighs 12 pounds.” (05:16)
• Both reflect on the relentless realities of project car maintenance and how “just push, jiggle, tilt”—is often omitted from the official guides.

2. Willow Springs Event Preview (06:11)

• Matt and Zack are hyped for the Willow Springs Reimagined event, set for October 11.
  • “We’re gonna be out there, doing a live show… You pay $20, all goes to charity, and you get the new track plans, some vintage cars, and demos.” (06:11)
• Matt’s bringing the infamous “pink car” (the Manx), and Zack’s M3 will be there for fans to see.

3. Performance Car of the Year Test Recap

a. Driving the Wildest Supercars

• Matt describes the exhilarating “back to back comparison” of four of the world’s fastest production cars: Corvette ZR1, Lambo Temerario, Mustang GTD, and Porsche GT3.
  • “The ZR1, the Temerario, the GTD, and the GT3… some of the other guys took turns on a very good road for like an hour. Very, very nice.” (08:03)
• Debates ensue over the value of options versus base spec on the 911 GT3 and the unique vibe of each car.

b. ZR1: The Insane Supercar ‘Anyone’ Can Buy

• The ZR1’s absurd performance, price, and level of daily usability take center stage.
  • “I can’t believe they’re just selling that to people. It’s like a 765 [McLaren] with way more power… You could daily one. If you get a less track-focused one, it’s just like any other car.” (11:13–12:13)
  • “For so little money—respect to $200k being ‘little’—that’s wild. Thousand horsepower, GM durability.” (12:14)
• Notable contrasts with McLaren 765LT: more power, less tire-shredding, better traction management.

c. Insanity: Where Z06 and ZR1 Truly Differ

• Quote: “The difference between Z06 and ZR1 happens at the last 25% of throttle… Only if you have the circumstances to use that a lot does it become important.” (17:58)
• The hosts reflect on how few people ever use even half the power in modern supercars on the street, especially above 500hp.

d. Track Tales: Near-Whoopsies and Spinning

• Matt shares honest track fails:
  • “I spun the ZR1, I spun the Lambo, I spun the M5 probably twice… The only time I had a near whoopsie not trying to slide for the camera was the ZR1 on the front straight… that was a lot of feet at that speed.” (19:29–20:55)
• Describes the pressure of being watched by the whole editorial crew:
  • “I made the corner but was 20 feet offline and had to do a full ABS… Everybody was watching. Don’t cook it right there.” (21:04)

e. OEM Track Support: Fresh Tires Galore

• Outlines the level of factory support at these tests compared to his old TV days:
  • “They sent five sets of carbon wheels and tires for the ZR1. Someone told me Ferrari sent seven. When we used to make the TV shows, it was rare an OEM would send a set of tires!” (23:00)

f. Multimatic Engineers Get Schooled

• Multimatic GTD engineers get spirited passenger rides in rivals, broadening their perspective:
  • “We took them for rides in a bunch of the cars. They really got a good, like, spread of knowledge about what everyone else is doing.” (26:09)

g. Audi RS3 as the Unsung Hero

• Endurance grinds, brake fade, and tire resilience:
  • “The brake fluid was really boiled after the second track day… But the car was good on tires, good on the track, no real issues.” (27:29–28:28)

h. AWD Torque Tricks: Golf R vs. RS3

• On “drifty” all-wheel-drive hatches, Matt and Zack discuss the Golf R’s surprisingly excellent seats (“like a bucket seat made of memory foam”) and the frustratingly inconsistent torque-vectoring party tricks.

4. Manx Wooden Crate Mod (35:16)

• Matt’s creatively “rustic” storage solution for his VW Manx: a polished, belted melon crate strapped behind the seats.

  • “Now I can put groceries back there… with real rubber feet so the crate doesn’t scrape around…” (36:54)

• Zack jokes about the idea of having a side-impact airbag in the Manx but nothing up front.

• Detailed update on the Manx’s cooling woes and upcoming front mount radiator solution.

  • “If I drive over 60 mph, it’ll overheat in 10 or 15 minutes. They did the undertray cut, improved it 5.5 degrees, but they need 25…” (38:05)
  • “The problem is at speed, the entire back half is in a vacuum.” (39:45)

Memorable Quote:

“Push. Jiggle. Tilt. The definitive glossary of wrenching terms.” – Matt (05:01)

5. Aviation Oddities: Spinning Radial Engines (41:05)

• Matt recounts a visit to the National Automobile Museum and the insane design of a horizontally spinning radial engine.
  • “The whole engine spins—imagine the block and heads spinning like a top. It idles at 500 rpm, redlines at 1,800. Imagine 1,800 rpm when it’s your entire engine spinning.” (41:31)
• Rabbit hole on WWII Pratt & Whitney Wasp radial engines.
  • “71.5 liters, 4,300 horsepower, 28 cylinders, four rows…” (43:10)
• Chuckling about the “blimp-faced” Stratofreighter and the iconic greenhouse cockpits.

6. Gear Talk: Race Shoes and Endurance Comfort (46:39)

• Matt recommends the OMP Pit Crew shoe after the New Balance model was discontinued:
  • “OMP makes a pit crew shoe that feels like a real sneaker. SFI rated, true to size… This is the move, especially for endurance racing.” (47:21)
• Both share gripes about having to re-learn footwork for narrow race shoes, and Matt’s resistance to “retraining footwork” for a competitive setting.

7. Sim Racing Team Lemons Drama (50:44)

• Comic misfortune befalls a sim-racing team at a Lemons race:
  • “Their engine had exploded in practice. They replaced it. Within 20 minutes, I start seeing white smoke from the new engine… They popped a second Miata engine. Seems impossible!” (51:24)
• Chuckles about sim teams not having the “restart” button in real wrenching.

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Listener Q&A Highlights (57:50–99:04)

Notable Questions & Answers

• Who is the new Prelude for?

  • Zack: “I think it’s a big hit with mature men in Japan. It’s the new Solara.” (58:57)

• Scariest moments in a car: Riding with a terrifyingly poor driver at a press launch, and realizing sometimes you just need to “approve” who you share with. (60:13–61:26)

• Surprisingly fun pedestrian cars:

  • Honda Fit, Mazda2, Lexis ES350 F Sport get praise as overlooked gems. (61:54)
  • Zack: “Those are pretty decent, actually. They drift well, too.” (62:18)

• Modern convertible safety: BMW’s modern convertibles with pop-up roll bars are reasonably safe for daily use.

  • “I wouldn’t worry about it in this car in particular… More likely to get broken into than for the roof to be a problem.” (65:41–66:21)

• Remaking Car Talk for podcasts: Matt: “We’re kind of doing that now—just without phones.” (63:31)

• Best '80s/'90s drivers’ cars under $100k: (74:03)

  • Air-cooled 911s, Corvette ZR-1 (95/96), Ferrari 328/348, E30 M3, NSX, Supra, R32 Skyline, 996 Turbo, E46 M3, E39 M5.

• Replacing an Alfa Giulia Quad with something comfortable yet fun: Suggests Genesis G70, E-Class AMG, or CT4V Blackwing. (76:03–77:13)

• Manual driving technique—foot roll vs. leg lift: (78:08)

  • Both adapt to the car; depends on pedal height and ergonomics.

• Buying out a leased Mach-E after credits gone: Your buyout price is locked in, so just watch the market and decide near lease-end.

  • “You can wait until that day… If your miles are way under, it probably makes sense to buy…” (92:13–92:44)

• Best SoCal canyon for a pay-to-play “Nürburgring” style hillclimb?

  • Matt: Spunky Canyon for its fast and technical mix. (90:14)

• Buying back a car you sold:

  • “If I sell a car, I’m mentally done with that car.” (84:45)
  • Zack: “Having had the experience is enough… I’ll never replicate the fun I had in my old STI.” (85:25)

• Concerns for EVs in cold winters without a charger: Without the benefit of pre-heating while plugged in, expect range loss of up to 50%.

  • “If you have outdoor parking for an EV and no charging… your range is, like, halved.” (88:17–89:04)

Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “Push. Jiggle. Tilt. The definitive glossary of wrenching terms.” – Matt (05:01)
• “I spun the ZR1… and the only near-whoopsie not for the camera was the ZR1 on the front straight. A lot of feet at that speed!” – Matt (19:29)
• “When a ZR1 gets to $100k, that’s crazy. You better be ready, ‘cause it’s worth the money new.” (94:09)
• “If you have an M2 as a streetcar, the BRZ would feel slow…get a 2014 Mustang GT, maximum motorsports kit, and just run actual good times.” (98:17)
• Matt’s advice for watches at airport security: “I refuse to take my watches off at airport security in any country. Keep it on your wrist!” (99:04)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment | |------------|-------------------------------------------------| | 01:25 | Show opens; catching up post-trip | | 03:35 | Zack’s M3 intake manifold project | | 06:11 | Willow Springs Reimagined event preview | | 07:44 | Performance Car of the Year intro | | 08:54 | 911 GT3 options vs. base discussion | | 11:13 | ZR1 vs. McLaren 765LT; “so little money” | | 17:58 | Z06 vs. ZR1 – where it matters | | 19:29 | Track-day spins & whoopsie stories | | 23:00 | OEM support: extra tires and wheels | | 25:36 | Multimatic engineers go for rides in rivals | | 27:29 | Audi RS3 endures a torture test | | 33:16 | Golf R seats and “slidy” AWD | | 35:16 | Manx wooden crate storage project | | 38:05 | Manx high-speed cooling issues explained | | 41:05 | National Auto Museum: spinning radial engine | | 46:39 | Pit crew shoes for endurance racing | | 50:44 | Lemons story: sim racing team blows two engines | | 57:50 | Patron Q&A opens | | 61:54 | Most fun basic cars driven | | 74:03 | 80s–90s era driver’s cars under $100k | | 76:03 | Replacing the Giulia Quad (luxury sedan Q) | | 79:36 | Purple-dial watch recommendations | | 88:17 | EVs, cold climates, and parking/charging woes | | 90:14 | SoCal road as pay-to-play “Ring” | | 98:03 | BRZ vs. Mustang/Ford for dedicated track car | | 99:04 | Watches at airport security |

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Noteworthy Episode Tone & Language

Conversation is quick, friendly, and irreverent, typical of Matt and Zack’s candid podcasting style. They freely share hard-earned opinions, anecdotes from both industry and personal experience, and digress into the occasional aviation or watch enthusiast tangent. Technical details abound, but all wrapped in enthusiastic, layperson-friendly chat.

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Final Notes

• Lots of laughs at sim-racing teams’ misfortune, self-deprecating stories about “code brown” moments on track, and plenty of technical meat for gearheads.
• Episode is a quintessential Smoking Tire blend: performance car insight, wrenching wisdom, homemade hacks, and relatable Q&A.
• Special treats: in-depth ZR1 coverage, seat and shoe talk, and a stray lesson on the dangers of old airplane engines.

Hosts sign off with reminders for upcoming events at Willow Springs and Road & Track’s Blue Ridge 500.

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Transcript

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[B]

We are alive.

[A]

I don't believe you.

[B]

Oh, Schrodinger's Wait. Well, but if the cat can see itself in the box.

[A]

Schrodinger's producer.

[B]

So do you want to see the broadcast? And then you'll know that won't be enough. Jesus.

[A]

No. Hi. Hello. Wow. It's. It's 10:15am I have been at work for four hours because I had a stack of bills like this because I had been gone for two weeks, but I got them done, so I'm able to actually think about doing this show now. As predicted, getting here at, like, that early was a good move.

[B]

Four hours of bill paying.

[A]

I had about three hours of bill paying. Yeah, dude. When I. When you travel for that long, at the beginning of the month, when you have, like, businesses and stuff, it's, like, bad. I mean, the bills weren't late, but they were just.

[B]

I still know how many they were. Plentiful things like, you got, like water power, wi fi, and there's clearly far more things.

[A]

There's a bunch more. There's like, lift maintenance, elevator maintenance. There's. Oh, boy. Well, there's there's also water and power and all that for three different buildings and a house.

[B]

It's.

[A]

There's a. It's okay. There's just when you're gone for a while, it takes a lot of time to do that. But that's okay. That's what this list was. The list was all of these lists, plus whatever came in in the mail. But I came in the mail and I crossed 13 things off the list and there's only 19 things on the list. So, like, that's pretty good for the first four hours of a day back from a two week trip, I think.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

That's pretty. Pretty productive. And only using decaffeinated coffee, mind you.

[B]

Mm. Oh, because you're out of coffee here?

[A]

No, because I didn't want to have caffeine. Because if I tried to look at this list and all those bills while having 10 ounces of caffeine, I'd probably have a panic attack.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. But wow. What have you been doing?

[B]

I pulled apart my intake manifold last night.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

So I did that to install this Aventuri. Call it a hybrid airbox. So it's sort of a cold air intake, but it uses the MAF thing. So it's going well so far. No problems.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And this is on the disassembly part, so we'll see what happens with reassembly. Of course. Trying to pull up a photo after restart. Switch.

[A]

How long do you anticipate reassembly to take?

[B]

I don't know. I asked Matt, very nice person over at Eventario, how long does it. And I phrase this. I said, how long does this take a normal person? And he said, four to five hours.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I was like, all right, I'll divide it in two days. You know, did two hours last night for me, I'm going to say four more.

[A]

Just.

[B]

Just knowing me and like taking breaks from my back and stuff.

[A]

A normal person, if you ask an expert what a normal person is, they probably think it's someone more qualified maybe than you. Although you've done like a decent amount of wrenching on this car.

[B]

I have, but there's always, like, I've never taken this whole intake plenum off before. And so like getting it underneath those wires that we're going across. At first I was like, do I have to take these out? But no, you just have to move and push more than I feel comfortable with. That's the thing. I don't know. They don't put that in the notes of like, no, no, just push, jiggle and then tilt.

[A]

Push. The definitive. The glossary of terms. Push, jiggle, tilt. You know it needs that. Yeah.

[B]

Because the pelican parts guide, which was pretty good, but it just says remove plenum. You're like, right, I've unhooked the things. Remove plenum.

[A]

Ooh, you have jumped there. You have put a lot of steps into one step.

[B]

The big. So here's the old one. But the biggest thing that honestly surpr the shit out of me is that this thing weighs like three to four times more than the carbon one. I was shocked because this is a piece of plastic. Yeah, it's a plastic box. I expected it to weigh what a lunchbox weighs. It probably weighs 12 pounds.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Right. Just for like a big empty open thing.

[A]

Maybe it's because it's plastic. That is going to get really hot.

[B]

Yeah, probably. It's probably. I think it's thick.

[A]

It's thick. It has to. It has to like it is. It's probably used as a thermal regulation device in some way.

[B]

And it also has to be vibration proof for hundreds of thousands of miles. In many ways the most reliable thing in the engine. But. Yeah. So the new one should be mounted tonight if all goes according to plan. So people can see it at the. The Willow Springs Cars and Coffee or on Instagram, if you don't live in California.

[A]

Yeah. So that's happening. That's this. This coming weekend. I guess this show is. Is going to air in the same week as this. So if you're in or can be in LA, you know, October 11th, the Willow Springs reimagined event. Zach and I are gonna be out there. We're gonna be doing a live show that you will not have to pay extra for once you're inside the venue. There is a. I think it's 20 bucks to get in, but it does. It all goes to charity. And they're gonna be showing all the plans for the new track. There's gonna be a bunch of cool vendors involved. There's gonna be track demonstrations, some vintage cars. It's gonna be pretty cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I'm. I'm pretty stoked on it, honestly. And I'm gonna bring the pink car.

[B]

I think that that seems to suit that place.

[A]

Yeah. And. And Zach will have the M3 and it'll be fun. So come on out. You can buy a ticket. Let's, I think just go to follow find Willow Springs on Instagram. There's a link to there.

[B]

Yeah, it's a link to an Eventbrite. And that's what you pay for it.

[A]

Yeah. And I think there's some extra high level of ticket as well that you can get. Some special thing.

[B]

There are several tiers. I don't remember them being crazy expensive. And one is like a car show entry.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you want to be a part of that, I think. But yeah, go there.

[A]

That's where we're going to be.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

We're going to be in the car show area. Speaking of which, I heard Lyft was good this weekend in North Carolina. Oh, I didn't see the photos look nice as they always do from lift. And I guess my old car was there. My safari.

[B]

Oh, cool.

[A]

Got tagged a lot in Instagram for that one, so I'm glad people enjoyed seeing that. But I was up doing. I was up finishing performance car of the year, which was so fun.

[B]

It's the.

[A]

The power of back to back comparisons is pretty unbeatable, man. Pretty. Yeah. This, this drive at the end of the day here with the what I mean, not necessarily the four. One of the four guarantees to win, but the four fastest cars we had with the ZR1, the Temerario, the GTD and the GT3. Me and some of the other guys took turns with these on a. On a very good road for. For like an hour and. Very nice. Very, very, very nice.

[B]

That livery on a 911 is crazy.

[A]

That's a. That's. I don't know if it's factory or dealer or either, but it is available as an option. It's like 4,000 bucks. It's vinyl, not paint, but I'm really glad they put it on that GT3 because I. It's a much nicer thing to show in a magazine than a just a white car.

[B]

Definitely.

[A]

It's definitely fun. And that GT3 is that. It's so funny. I don't know if I said this last time, but when you drive a base 911, you're like, oh yeah, all you need is a base 911. Like, you don't need the op. I mean, even if it's a GT3, like this thing had like no options, like base seats, sticks, steel brakes. It was white other than the stickers. Like not even sport chrono. Like, you know, they sent this thing to do track work and had like nothing on it, which is fun. But the. When you drive a base 911, you're like, All I ever need is a base 911. And. And when you drive a loaded one you're like, oh, the options are what totally make this thing important. You know. Right. Whatever one you've just driven is like it.

[B]

Well, because I guess the car is good enough and you're having a good time in the car and then you look around and you go, what does this car have that must be making the difference? It's funny that we're like ignoring the car and they go, it's got to be these option seats or these chassis.

[A]

So. But, you know, some of these things, the GTD and the, and the Lambo, the ZR one on the street are pretty, pretty, pretty psychotic. I mean, these are, these are some antisocial automobiles. They are, they are. Oh. Oh, man.

[B]

Super fast, super loud.

[A]

These are fast and loud and crazy. And in the case of the ZR1, like, I can't believe they're just selling that to people. It's like a set, you know, it's like a 765 or something, like with way more power. Yeah, it's heavier than a 765. It doesn't have the carbon tub. It does have 200 more horsepower. And I think a 765 might. Might is probably a little quicker and is definitely a little scarier because the ZR1 also has more like, I think more tire or like 765 spun the tires more. The ZR1 did put the power down a little better in a, in like a straight line.

[B]

I mean, I will say, like, this is speculation, but Corvette has had such good, like performance tracks, like traction management for years and years and years and worked on it, worked on it, worked on it. And maybe that's where some of that magic.

[A]

Yeah. The 765 is a few years old too. They've had one. You know, there's one around that they could try and benchmark, but it was, it's. That's. It's crazy that they're selling that to people. And for, I mean, respect to the fact that, you know, 200k is a ton of money, but for quote, so little money is pretty, pretty wild. Because you could, you know, you could also daily one like just like if you get that, like if you get a less like tracky one. This one had the carbon wheels and the sticky tires and like the super darty alignment. You could get like a more regular one that has a smaller wing and you know, more summer high performance tires, but not the sticky ickies and you could pretty much daily that just like any other car.

[B]

The Grand Touring edition, basically.

[A]

Yeah. And be a Thousand horsepower.

[B]

Like that's super cool.

[A]

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[B]

Right.

[A]

They've sort of gotten that bit down in the same way the Z06 was to the. But it also makes you think like, yes, it's different, it's turbos and all that, but like the difference between the Z06 and the ZR1 most of the time isn't much. And the Z06 still sounds better. The Z06 is like it definitely sounds. Especially the last day it was really sunny and we took the top off and it was pretty funny because most people, like, most people even the road and track people like kind of forgot that the top comes off on, on those. And we took the top off and I was expecting like, you know, I was like a revelation. But actually it's better with the top on because it kind of contains.

[B]

Oh, it's like a resident box sort of. Right. I was next to a Z06 in traffic, like stop and go. And I Went, this thing sounds good.

[A]

The Z06 with the top off is awesome. Like, I'd my money, I'd probably still get a Z06. The ZR1 is just psychotically fast. Right.

[B]

If you don't need psychotically fast. You know, if you don't live in Nevada or someone with really long, straight, uncontrolled roads in a Runway close course of car. Of course.

[A]

Yeah, the. The real differences happen like over 100 miles an hour, you know, between 6, 7, or really not 100 miles an hour, because that's not accurate because the ZR1's faster all the time. The differences happen at over 75% throttle, which when you have a Z06 is rare. Like, be honest, you're not, you know.

[B]

What do you mean when you have.

[A]

If you have a Z06?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're flooring it. Not that often because that's a ton of power to use on the street. Flooring it and shifting at redline. Rare. Pretty rare. Even if you've got a fast car, that's a small percentage of time that you're driving.

[B]

True.

[A]

Just can't. You can't drive like that. Nobody can drive like that on the street. So the difference between the Z06 and ZR1 happens in that last 25% of throttle. So it's like if you. Only if you have the circumstances to use that a lot, does it become right. Important. Same thing with any fucking fast tv. Like how often are you flooring a base one? Like, probably pretty rarely.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, true. I mean, true of most cars, especially beyond 80 miles per hour. You know, some people might floor it to get onto the highway and like. And then they're at traffic speed. But continuing past that, where a lot of, you know, the thousand horsepower plus cars really start to show their technology.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're just not doing it very much.

[A]

Pretty rare.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Even if. Even if you drive like aggressively in the canyons or whatever. Bless you. You know, once a car is over like 500 horsepower, you just don't have room for that.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

Trust me. I, we. I've done it. I've tried. There isn't fucking room. Like. And if there is, if you try to make room, your luck will run out sooner rather than later.

[B]

One of the rules in our house is that Sarah can't buy a car with over 500 horsepower because she's not prepared for it.

[A]

Well, I would say. I would say I spun on track. I spun. I spun the ZR one. I spun the. I spun the Lambo. Once during drift shots or just driving. No, no, no. Doing drift, no. While intending to slide, I spun the M5 probably twice because the M5 it took me a while to. To figure out that you need to slide it with.

[B]

You need no problem.

[A]

Exactly. Two percent throttle, not six two. Otherwise it will just insta spin. But, but the only like time where I, I had a near whoopsie while not, not while trying to do a slide for a shot was the ZR1 on the front straight. You know, I just kept. Felt like, I kept feeling like I'm just. I could break a little later, break a little later. And on next lap I tried to break like half a second later and boy, it's a lot of feet. Boy, was that a lot of feet at the speed I was going. And the front wheel didn't go in the grass, but it was probably six inches from the grass.

[B]

Now you made the corner, but you were very close to the grass or you just went.

[A]

I made the corner but I was like 20ft offline and I had to do like a full abs.

[B]

You point straight a little bit in front of everybody.

[A]

Yeah, because when, when me and Mike Austin was doing the laps on the first day. I'm sorry, in the first half of both days, only me and Mike Austin are allowed on track. The whole rest of the editorial team does their like round robin or whatever you call it, rotation of the cars in the afternoons because he's doing lap times and I'm doing videos and they don't want other cars on track for either.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So like, which makes sense. So like when I was driving that car and like. But while he's in the pits, they're getting a V box in the next car, they're changing all that stuff over. That's when I go out and I've got 10 minutes while they do that and then I come in and he goes out. It's like reasonably efficient, but I'm the only one on track so everybody, everyone else has to stand around. They're all watching. No one is doing anything else. Don't cook it right there.

[B]

Yeah, because then they're all sitting there going, I probably wouldn't have done that. Yeah, maybe, maybe. But I just know what. Yeah.

[A]

Oh yeah. I mean it happens. And it does happen. Jethro. Jethro fucking looped the Aventador last year, like 100 miles an hour and had a serious code Brown. Although nothing was broken. He was, you know, he was really pushing.

[B]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

Did I say Aventador Revuelto Yeah, but.

[B]

Perfection is impossible or very difficult, you.

[A]

Know, And I, When I spun the ZR1, it was right in front of Mark Urbano, and I knew he was there. That's why I chose to do that. But I was just like, okay, we're going 360 and like, foot to the floor, like, banging rev limiter. Did a couple three sixties before continuing on. And he was like, you know, doing the exit from the cloud of smoke. Like, that piece of driving will probably be like the COVID shot or something.

[B]

Do they have extra tires for you for that stuff? Like.

[A]

Yeah, the zr, they sent a bunch.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

They sent five sets of carbon wheels and tires.

[B]

Wow. Okay. That's what. I'm so jealous.

[A]

Someone told them Ferrari sent seven. Yeah.

[B]

When we used to make the TV shows, they. It was rare that an OEM would send a set of tires, so we had to be much more careful with them. And I'm so jealous that you're just like, I'll just rip a couple threes and then we'll swap these babies over.

[A]

It was. That was an end of the day one where it was like, okay, these, you know, Mike, whoever's setting the lap times gets fresh tires. And then like, we'd use whatever's left at the end of the day, we swap them for the next day. So the, you know, whoever else gets some fresh tires. And then sometimes, occasionally they'll send three sets. Usually they'll send one extra set, a good one on the car, an extra one for the track, and then a set of road tires because they don't want you driving, you know, 600 more miles on like, shot ass Arkon, which, thank God, you know, some of them, some of them. The first road driving day after we did our last podcast, look at the gtd, it fucking pissed rain all day. And I have to give a lot of respect to the multimatic wet driving traction control program because it did keep the car in line, although it was misery.

[B]

Did you ever switch it to normal or whatever just to see the difference? And you went, oh, that's doing a lot.

[A]

Yeah, well, I could, you know, I could tell the difference. It really changes the throttle mapping as well. It dials down, you know, your. The. The throttle position, which is good because I was in bumpy roads and it rides kind of rough.

[B]

So a messy car.

[A]

It was a. A dirty, dirty girl, that car. This thing had a. That GTD had a. Had a week, man. And actually, I think, I think, I think we have cont. We contributed. There was. I don't I don't see a reason not to say that we did this. No one gives a. You know, the. The GTD came with two Multimatic babysitters who were. Who were pretty cool. I don't want to say their names just in case, but they were. They were chill. They were a good. They were a good time.

[B]

And.

[A]

And they didn't have to do anything. Like, the car. The car, like, behaved itself on the road, so they were just, like, sitting around. So on the road, we'd be like, ripping this section of road that had nobody on it. I mean, even by the standards of our canyons, like, this road was all above Thunderhill. It was to the west. It was to the west. It was. Right, yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I know. Yeah.

[A]

And so. But these guys, the car was working fine, so they didn't have to do shits. They're chilling. So at some point, one of them mentions that they've never been in a Lamborghini, and I'm like, oh, well, like, I got to go drive this one. Like, come for a ride. And then it was like, you know, and then, you know, we're talking. He's like, yeah, you know, the boss keeps. Keeps, you know, getting on us because, like, the ZR1, you know, beat us around the Nurburgring and whatever. I was like, oh, have you been in a zr? And they're like, no. And I was like, all right, well, you need to go in a ZR1. And they took him out, and he was like, oh, fuck me.

[B]

Like, oh, that's how it beat us.

[A]

Oh, that. You know, that's what's happening. And I was like, yeah, imagine you guys, like, started with a Corvette instead of starting with a Mustang. You know, you might be there, but. But no, we, like. We took them for, like, you know, rides in a bunch of the cars. And so they really got a good. A good, like, spread of knowledge about what everyone else is doing. So on behalf of Canada, some of the.

[B]

Some of the. You know, the manufacturer stuff, like, they do rip cars apart. They drive the competition, but some of the engineers never get to. Or they never get. We've talked about this with Corvette. They never get to drive their own cars.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's interesting to see who has experienced what, but hopefully that it does inform them a little bit when they go back to Multimatic.

[A]

And to be. To be very clear, we weren't letting anybody drive any cars. They were just, like, going for rides and stuff. So. So it was. It was. It was pretty fun. It was a really Good time. I very much enjoyed that. And then drove to pebble beach, little Golf with the old man. Oh, and, and yeah, 2,000 miles on that Audi RS3. Dude, the, that car, the, the brake fluid was really boiled after the second track day and I had to drive to like 800 more miles. So the whole way home, like, oh, this brake pedal is like so soft.

[B]

Was it really?

[A]

Yeah, and it wasn't. It's got carbon ceramic fronts, but 12 different people driving it on the track and then like, you know, ripping on it pretty hard on the road. Like. Yeah, the fluid was just toast. It needs, needs a service and a flush and. But pretty good car. Gotta be honest. No, no issues at all with it. That, that wouldn't be totally expected given what it went through. And actually was really good on tires. We switched, we switched a set of tires once because we had them and you know, why not? You know, and. But yeah, even after like my track day at Sonoma and about a track day and a half. No, no, we. The end of the two full track days at Thunderhill, there was still like over 50% tire left. And like it's a press car. Like people were not being kind to it. They were trying like torque rear mode, slidy mode.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which, you know, that is, it's cool. It's a novelty. It does help the car rotate through corners better than, you know, most front wheel drive based all wheel drive cars. But at the same time it's a little inconsistent with like all of them. All of those ones are like the Focus RS and the Golf. They all like the way they actually shift the power to the rear in order to step the back out. You could do the same thing every lap. And on that corner where you want to do the slide, it will not behave exactly the same way. And that's frustrating.

[B]

Yeah, I think there's just, there's so many, so much computing happening. And then if the grip changes slightly between inside, inside rear, outside rear, because it's trying to send all that torque to outside rear.

[A]

Right.

[B]

If it hooks up too much because the tire is warm or something like it can't spin, it doesn't rotate as much. It's very different from a rear wheel drive based all wheel drive system. That usually is a lot better at that.

[A]

Yeah. And you know what I did really enjoy was the Golf R. Folks got to take one more quick break because support is coming in from true work. Fall weather changes fast. It gets hot, it gets cold, it gets wet, it gets windy. It gets hot again sometimes. All in one shift or one hike. TrueWerk is performance workwear built like it matters, because it does. TrueWerk is founded by a trained professional who is tired of wet heavy gear weighing him down. TrueWerk set out to make workwear that keeps pros comfortable, capable and ready for whatever the day throws at them. Designed with advanced performance fabrics for lasting comfort, all day mobility and year round job site protection. Every piece is tested on job sites with trade pros so when conditions change, you're still ready. With over 50,000 5 star reviews from pros in every trade and every climate. I wore the TrueWerk button down T shirt on my most recent trip because I packed it specifically for its temperature flexibility. I had absolutely no idea what the weather was going to be. It turns out it was going to be completely different than I packed for. I did not need to bring shorts at all but. But my true work over shirt was good for every single condition. It got hot, it got cold, it was excellent. You can get this gear too. Upgrade your day with workwear built like it matters. Get 15% off your first order at truework.com with CodeTire that's T R U E W-E-R-K.com CodeTire Also today, Smalls is coming in hot. And I love Smalls because Smalls loves my cats like I love my cats. We are one big happy family. And I was just gone for two weeks. They are so happy to see me again. They are sleeping in bed with me. They're sitting by the fire. It is fabulous. And I want them to live long, luxurious, happy, healthy lives. That's why I feed them Smalls, my cats, they can't live without it. It's so small. Delicious. They prefer small Smalls way more than the Fancy Feast, way more than the Blue Buffalo. I did the side by side taste tests. They all went to the Smalls. They've got fewer hairballs, they've got great energy, healthier weight and they've got a very, very soft coat. My cats love me. And I've actually done a new thing where I used to for a long time, I mean really like 25 years of owning cats, I had all my cats eating from the same bowl and they would eat one at a time from the same bowl. It was kind of an interesting thing. And then I saw in Jackson Galaxy's book to do four separate bowls and have them eat at the same time every day, morning and night for sort of better energy flow. And I actually did this with the Smalls. And now the cats are not eating dry Food in between the wet food, Smalls breakfast and dinner. It's money. And I first used the Smalls as the topper to transition the cats to it. And now they are eating it twice a day every day. It is great. So what are you waiting for? You can give your cat the food they deserve, too. For a limited time, because you're a listener of the smoking tire, you can get 60% off your first order plus free shipping when you head to smalls.com tire that's smalls.com tire. One last time. 60% off your first order, plus free shipping when you head to smalls.com tire and now back to the show. Really enjoyed the. Was the Golf R. I didn't think I'd like it as much as I did on the road. It was like, really nice. The seats are awesome.

[B]

When I see those, I get tempted to make that. That would be a very practical switch.

[A]

That would be a good daily. A good daily for you, I think. And they're like invisible. You know, they put the dog in the back.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Seats were dope. You know what they did with the seats that I like, they made them their. They're shaped, like, heavily bolstered, but the bolstering isn't like super hard. So it's got a good bit of give. But then it's made of this grippy material. So in a lot of ways it uses the grip of the material to hold you without being like soup. But they look like buckety. But it's like. It almost feels like a bucket seat made of like, kind of like memory foam.

[B]

That material stuff matters a lot. Cause now when I get into my car, I can't just slide into the seat. I get stuck. Work on the wool. And I'm like, what's happening? Oh, right. It's just because the old leather would be so smooth and shiny.

[A]

Yeah, I like the grippy.

[B]

I think it's going to be nice in the corners.

[A]

Yeah. The Volvo wool seats have the good. Have the good utensils shape so well.

[B]

I would put those in anything.

[A]

They said they would get us some fabric if we wanted to. I was considering doing the Manx.

[B]

I want the whole seat. Oh, I want the whole. I want the shape of it. The whole thing with the wool tweed and just look. Can we, like, take it from a.

[A]

Can we, like co part? Yeah, probably copart in the XC90.

[B]

Someone definitely crashed an XC90 leaving their third house.

[A]

Do the seats have airbags in them?

[B]

Yes, like in the seat. I bet they do.

[A]

I think they probably do.

[B]

I think most seats do these days. I think a lot of them do.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think.

[A]

I think the side curtain. The side curtain comes from the seat.

[B]

I think in some cars. Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Sometimes it's here. Like.

[B]

Like my car. It's in the door.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But some cars, you'll see there's an air. Like if you're removing the seat, you have to turn off the battery and disable that plug because otherwise the airbag will go off in your face. Right, yeah, that makes sense. So having a. It'd be funny as if you had a side impact airbag in your Manx, but nothing in the front.

[A]

That's some safety. But now I have a crate. Very excited about my crate.

[B]

Did you post a photo?

[A]

No, no, I didn't. I sent. I sent those pictures to Ali.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

To tell him what a genius I was.

[B]

I'm the engineer now.

[A]

Did I talk about this on a previous show? I don't know if I did. I. The problem with using the Manx as a daily driver is that the shelf behind the seats, which has plenty of space for like, you know, a duffel bag or. Yeah, yeah, a couple duffel bags. Probably if you put like groceries or whatever back there, it just. It slides around. There's nothing containing the stuff. And so I bought. I wanted to, like, you know, look cool and like. And so there's like a bunch of different, like, utility boxes you can put back there. But they all looked like, you know, a little contractory. So I. I got on Etsy for like, you know, not a lot of money. Like a 60 year old melon crate, like a farmer's crate that happens to be like almost exactly the right size to fit that compartment. And they had put these beautiful, like polished aluminum strap downs on either side of that shelf because I also have a cooler with like a Velcro strap for it. And so I've lost some weight and I have two belts that are too big and they're belts I wore for, like, long time. So they're pretty weathered and worn in. So I was able to like make these leather straps for my wooden crate. And now I can put groceries back there.

[B]

That's great.

[A]

I've got some, like, real rubber feet. And so the crate doesn't like, you know, scrape around on the.

[B]

Yeah, good thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think it's the right size because then on either side of the crate you can put jackets and stuff.

[A]

Yeah. There's.

[B]

Filled it out too much. It would be too big.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm like, oh, this is cool. I'll post pictures on Instagram, like, later. But it's. It's pretty cool. I'm into it. That was a. That was a good move. And you can just take it out. Just undo the belts and take it out in two seconds.

[B]

Yeah, it's nice. Very cool.

[A]

And then you can put the belts in the crate.

[B]

It looks rustic.

[A]

It does look rustic.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Seems like a very light crate.

[A]

Yeah. And they're also making me a pouch that goes down by your left knee because there's, like, nowhere to put anything. Like, my keys or whatever. Like, there's no. I need. It's just somewhere to put something.

[B]

Yep. So, yeah, you need that.

[A]

Just a little pouch.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then. And then we'll be done with that. Then we can drive it. Just fiend.

[B]

Done. Done.

[A]

Well done. In terms of the portion of it there. There. Did we talk about the further development they're doing? There's a. Okay. So the problem that they have been unable to solve thus far is the temperatures at highway speeds.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Which they've been able to mitigate somewhat, but. But. But not solved to this point. So if I drive my car at over 60 miles an hour, it will overheat in like 10 or 15 minutes of driving at that speed.

[B]

Right. And they were going to cut the under tray or something.

[A]

They did that. Okay, they did that. And it. It didn't do enough. It improved it 5.5degrees. They needed to get it maybe 25 degrees. So they're. What they're doing now is a front mount. There is. If you look at my car from the front and.

[B]

Oh, yeah, whatever.

[A]

There's an area where you. You could put a front license plate. Like, it's. Like there's a cutout. Like it's underneath the little chrome bar. And so they've developed a really nice little smooth little grate that goes there. And it's a. It's a loop where the two radiators are in series. So it goes from the engine all the way to the front. Hot, hot coolant goes all the way to the front, cools down at the front, comes back, goes to the big one in the back, and then goes back to the engine there. So it's got. It goes a further distance and it hits. It gets that front mount, which at higher speed is what you need at low speeds. The big one has been totally bulletproof. I've sat in horrific traffic jams, and it's fucking ace in traffic. Like, that's not a problem. The problem is Airflow, so.

[B]

Well, when you're moving, maybe there's an air pocket, and so cold air's not getting to that larger one. Right, right.

[A]

There's just the problem with the Manx is at speed, the entire back half of the vehicle is like in a vacuum.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's silly. I mean, it just is. And so they've done as much as they can do with keeping everything at the back, but it's still not enough. And so now we're going with the front, which. Okay, so we're gonna get that. And there's some other things that they are. Have re engineered for different reasons that we will also get. We will be getting all. All retrofits while we continue. Fortunately, like, none of this stuff is actually kept me from driving the car. Still a good time.

[B]

Yeah. Well, because you're not driving on the highway much.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, you're not.

[A]

I can go from here to Malibu and that's like. That's all I really need to do. That's as far as I need to.

[B]

Go in that car. Cool. Correction. Airbags will not go off if you disconnect the sensor. Someone corrected me. I was like, I'm spreading foreign forum fake news. Oh, I have a radial engine story for you. But I really. I need to. Someone sent me an Instagram and they're like, do you know the most powerful rotary engine ever made? A radial engine ever made?

[A]

It's got to be from an airplane.

[B]

It is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's humongous.

[A]

Is it like 20 liters or something?

[B]

Yeah, it's one of those things. Maybe I can just look.

[A]

Google it while you're looking for it. I went to the. The. The National Automobile Museum in Reno on this particular trip, and they had this weird car from like 1910 or something. 1915, maybe that was a radial engine, but not like one I'd ever seen. The entire engine spun horizontally.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Imagine the whole block and heads spun like a fucking top. This was one of the worst.

[B]

Where did you see this?

[A]

So the National Automobile Museum.

[B]

So had they, like, locked the crankshaft down and they were showing you how the engine works, but when it's mounted in something, like when it's mounted in a car, did the whole engine spin?

[A]

Yes. They showed. They have a car. They have a car with an engine in it. They have another engine on a stand as a. As a backup, because you need a backup. And they have a video of the car running. And the engine is spinning. The whole engine spins. It idles at like 500 rpm and red lines at 1800 rpm. Any faster than that, it would like come apart. But think about how fast 1800rpm is when it's your entire engine spinning.

[B]

What? What in the fuck? What did they say was the reasoning for that?

[A]

Well, it, it, it stays cool. You have these very. You have these very small fins on the cylinder heads. But the engine itself is whipping.

[B]

Yeah, that seems dangerous. It seems wildly dangerous.

[A]

Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. It was incredibly dangerous.

[B]

All right, so this is.

[A]

Dude, it was. It was the time they were building steam cars.

[B]

These.

[A]

Those things were like on fire. Like what's more dangerous?

[B]

That's a good point.

[A]

I mean everything was so.

[B]

And locomotives have all the exposed parts.

[A]

Everything was so dangerous. Okay, Pratt and Whitney are. All right. 4360 Wasp Major. What are we talking about?

[B]

4300 horsepower?

[A]

Fuck yeah.

[B]

The largest displacement aviation piston engine mass produced.

[A]

Does that say 71 liters?

[B]

Yes, sir. 71.5 liters.

[A]

Oh wow. 43 cylinder 4 row radial piston aircraft engine.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

The.

[B]

Did you go in the Manx to end all Manx?

[A]

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[B]

It's.

[A]

Oh, wait, hang on a minute. Its main rival was the twin row 18 cylinder, 54 liter, right? R 353,700 horsepower.

[B]

That's the cuck engine. Look at this.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

What a little.

[A]

Yeah, 54 liters.

[B]

Although power per liter I think is higher on this, right?

[A]

Oh yeah, maybe. Yeah.

[B]

Four liters. 3700.

[A]

All right. Can you. Can you. What are the major applications? The Boeing B50 Super Fortress. Can we see what those look like?

[B]

Strata freighter Strat.

[A]

Oh, this. So these are big. Wow. Yeah. Okay. These are what. It's what the think about the planes that have those big like greenhouse looking canopies with gun turrets all over. Turrets and shit. That's what you find.

[B]

Memphis Bell type stuff. And I wonder if we can.

[A]

Man, I bet that. What was that Biggie, that big guppy looking one you just had up the Strato something or other super fortress. Is that it?

[B]

This thing?

[A]

No, the other one.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

The other one seemed like it had that one Strato freighter. Look at that. The cockpit.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Must have the most beautiful view of the world.

[B]

It's extremely phallic looking as well.

[A]

It's what?

[B]

Very.

[A]

It's just like.

[B]

Well, because so many planes, you know, they taper more from the front and this is just like bl. It's got like a blimp face.

[A]

Yeah. The fuselage Looks like a dildo.

[B]

But I. But I understand you're saying you have this very tall vertical windshield.

[A]

Look how many windows there are. There's got to be like 16 windows on the front.

[B]

That's pretty cool, right?

[A]

So I bet that's. That's a. That's like flying a plane with like a floor to ceiling windshield. That must be so sick. Can you see if you can find interior cockpit view from this aircraft of the Strato freighter? No, not this one. The other one.

[B]

I keep.

[A]

You have a real problem with this today. There we go. The Strato freighter C97. We need an interior cockpit view. I bet that's fucking amazing. But yeah, so those have. That has four of those engines. Four, 4,000 horsepower. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

It's floored. Look, the windows go all the way down below his feet. Wow. That is a floor to ceiling. Just a wall of. Of glass.

[B]

That's pretty cool, man.

[A]

What a view to fly from, huh? I bet that's awesome. Just up there, the windows open, just ripping heaters. That's true.

[B]

This is back in the 40s.

[A]

Yeah. Dude, they're not fighting. This is a freight plane. They're not dog fighting this.

[B]

They're just moving heavy, heavy stuff. Yeah.

[A]

There's an ashtray every, like 18 inches in that.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

Yeah. What a great view.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

Yeah, I bet that was great. You think those have autopilot on it? You think those guys are steering the whole time?

[B]

It's probably. I think back then autopilot was like, you know, mechanical. I bet something.

[A]

Yeah. Just like, hold the stick. Yeah.

[B]

I don't know. That's a good question.

[A]

Some pilot will tell us. Okay, two things. One, we talked a couple shows about my search for an actual. A sneaker, like, driving shoe that would pass tech in an actual race.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And it led me to the New Balance pit crew shoe, which is out of production.

[B]

Okay. Yes. Because when you brought it up on that show, I had ordered these racing shoes, and I was like, that's really interesting. These look cool. I might get these instead.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the only ones I could find were an 8.58 and a half on eBay. Where the fuck are these shoes? Yeah, so I was wondering where you got them.

[A]

Out of production.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So I actually like a website. Let me order them. And then kicked back and said, out of production. I was like, oh, take them off your fucking website, idiot. Yeah, so anyway, OMP makes a pit crew shoe, and this is it. And I don't know the model but if you just, just look up OMP pit crew shoe. It's very similar to the New Balance shoe. I'm gonna try to put my orthotics in it because it's not quite New Balance arch support, but it really does feel mostly like a sneaker. And it has a pretty good, pretty good toe flexibility. Like, I would probably want to wear this around town for a few days before actually racing in it. Just because you might want to look a little more flex in the toe. So I may just wear this for a few days. But really comfortable. SFI rated. True to size. This is the right size. And if you are thinking about getting a driving shoe and you don't like how fucking narrow and stupid. Especially with endurance racing because you're wearing them for 24 hours, you're walking on the paddock. Like my, my knees feel like they're going to explode if I wear.

[B]

I wouldn't wear them. But once, once I'm out of the car, unless I have to help with fuel, well, I, you know, I'm hanging out.

[A]

I gotta help. I just end up leaving them on all day because I'm lazy.

[B]

Then these, then this might be the idea. Yeah, but.

[A]

And if you're not racing like little formula cars, like we're driving a car that has a streetcar pedal box. So like I don't need some tiny little shoes.

[B]

True. But isn't the car you're driving. Oh, it's M3.

[A]

It's an M3.

[B]

So it's manual transmission.

[A]

I mean it turns out, as it turns out, this is a DCT car. But I, but still, like I, I still, for anything I'm driving on track. I don't, I don't want little narrow shoes.

[B]

The Sparcos I have fit my wide foot really nice. But I understand if I was driving, I mean, if I. The cars I was driving at lemons. I wish I had had this wide foot box to heel toe like this.

[A]

Yeah. Because you, you do left side, right side.

[B]

Definitely.

[A]

Right. Yeah. Some people do actual heel and actual toe.

[B]

I did because I had to with.

[A]

Those shoes to not do that. I prefer to drive like I normally drive because I'm fucking racing. I want that to be a faster version of how I normally drive. I don't want to relearn my footwork for a fucking. In a competitive situation.

[B]

Yeah, it came back quick. But it was less perfect and required more thought. However, the mgb I drove the gas pedal. I am not exaggerating.

[A]

Zach has grabbed a bottle cap.

[B]

A bottle cap. The Gas pedal was a square version of this size because they. They hammered out the trans to fit the white. The bigger transmission. And so the gas pedal, they just use this tiny piece of metal. But all of us came back in. It was impossible to heel toe it. And we're like, can we just add a second bottle cap to the left? And then it would be money. Yeah, but I understand, like, they, they shrunk it in every direction and I don't think they shrunk it vertically. I think that's what it came as, was like this adorable tiny bottle cap. It was. You couldn't heal heel toe it because there's nothing down there.

[A]

Oh, man. Last show's Old British ship, Zach showed me a photo of what looked to be almost the perfect vintage race car. And then he told me what it was like to drive.

[B]

All you have to do is tap the brakes twice.

[A]

Five hard gnaws in there.

[B]

That was a good time. Oh, yeah, Wait, there was a. Sorry, go ahead.

[A]

No, no, no, no.

[B]

There's a story from Lemons I forgot, which is that next door to us in the garages was a sim racing team. They were like 15 people at least. They had matching shirts. I don't remember the name of the team. I want to say they were all very nice, so I'm going to make a little bit of fun of them, but it's just done in jest. They got matching, like, sponsored, you know, Under Armour shirts. There's also a huge light because they're shooting and filming a bunch of shit. There's people on the team that are working their way up to driving. They're like, helping Wrench manage the team, whatever. They have Miata. I arrive Friday evening, I miss practice and whatever. That's fine. Their engine had exploded.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

They had been driving in practice and the engine had gone kaboom. But lucky, lucky, lucky for them. There's a race shop at Button Willow. They happen to have a Miata engine there. And they were being paid. The race shop was like, we'll install it for you tonight. It will cost whatever. So that was happening.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, oh, wow, I can't believe you guys blew up a Miata engine. First of all, it's hard, but, like, they showed me the pieces and their big pieces had flown out of the engine. So they get a new engine. They and these folks weren't just like writing a check. Like, in the morning, some of them were under the car doing other stuff, buttoning things up. So we, I go out, I start the Race, I'm in the MG, they're out there also. I think within 20 minutes I start seeing white smoke coming from their tailpipe. And that smoke trail grows and grows and grows and then soon they're not on the track anymore. They had popped a second Miata engine, which seems impossible. I don't, I just don't know how that, like one of the most reliable cars in the world. I felt bad for them because they had this whole crew there, but like, they were probably just surprised you couldn't just hit restart, you know.

[A]

That's a bummer.

[B]

It was such a bar. How do you put. Maybe they just got really unlucky with the engines that were in there. I don't know if they were super high mileage.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Miata engines or what.

[A]

It could be, it could be bad luck. Certainly, Certainly one could be first. Seemed to be like, first one could be bad luck. The second one, I mean, you know, unknown, unknown provenance. You know, could, could have possibly had a, could have been on a ticking time bomb potentially.

[B]

Yeah, I think it dropped, I heard them say, like it dropped a valve into something and then could also, I.

[A]

Mean, a bunch of people who race on computers, maybe they're not so good at stick shift driving.

[B]

I don't know. You know, I, I wasn't close enough.

[A]

Ever to hear maybe like it was fine and then someone fucking money shifted it and didn't tell anybody.

[B]

I don't know. I didn't pass them in the mg, which made me feel amazing. But I'm sure they were just getting used to their car, so.

[A]

Oh, it sucks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What a bummer. I, I think I was on a team once. The Blue two transmissions.

[B]

You were. That was the last time you did.

[A]

Yeah, no, I, I, that was the last time I said I would get on a plane to go anywhere to do endurance racing, which again, I'm about to do in a month. But that's coda and it's, it's a, a little more serious car.

[B]

Well, trauma plus time equals comedy. So it's been. That was, what, how long ago was that, that race you did with A double trans? Six years, probably.

[A]

Yeah. 19.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Ohio.

[B]

You're have so much fun.

[A]

It was a bummer. Yeah. Let's see. Oh, right. So Dylan Optics, our sponsor for 15 years, is under new ownership and we have been dropped as an advertiser after 15 years, which I'm not upset about. I understand. I'd rather have had an advertiser for 15 years and be dropped under new ownership than to not have had them at all. I do wish our person there had maybe given us a heads up so he wouldn't have ordered that extra round of T shirts for them to include with. With glasses, like so close to it.

[B]

They should send us a consolation minigun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For the T shirts.

[A]

But they, they, they wiped their website and there's all new, like glasses. They got rid of every, all, all the old styles. And so I really had liked these two pairs. So these are the last two pairs of these and I thought if you wanted one, you can, you can have one. I know you like these.

[B]

Which ones are. Which ones are they? I still have two.

[A]

Do you have two, like, new inbox?

[B]

Okay. Yeah, because I.

[A]

These are the like, like these, these styles.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I have. You, you can keep. I have these, like, those ones. I have a live. A white one and I have a black one right now.

[A]

Okay. And they're in good shape?

[B]

Yeah, they're in good shape.

[A]

Okay, cool. Because, man. Yeah, this is, this is. I'm treating these like end of an era. These are the last, like the sponges. Like, I have to be like, do I want to, do I want to bring these glasses?

[B]

Are these Dylan worthy?

[A]

Because you. It's not like they were just paying me to wear this stuff. They didn't even pay us all that much. We really, really just enjoyed wearing the glasses.

[B]

True.

[A]

These are, these are, these are my jam.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. You know those, those pairs are for you. Sure.

[A]

I offered to buy the last, the last of them and they said that they would include them. But.

[B]

And if you're out there and you work at a sunglasses company and you want to have your sunglasses featured in every single video we do forever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hit us up on Instagram.

[A]

Yeah. So that's fun. Not really. But we got two last.

[B]

Two last pairs of 17 years with them. Right.

[A]

2010. So yeah.

[B]

So 15 years. All right.

[A]

Yeah. They win the record for longest advertiser by a lot. And then before we get to questions with the people, you know, we're doing a really good event with road and track. If you want to come drive with me in November. It's gonna be first week in November actually. You could fucking double header. Hang out with me if you want. Because we're going to the Hilton Head concourse. I've never been. It's in Hilton Head, South Carolina, right near where my folks place is. So me and the old man are gonna go hang out at the Hilton Head concourse for a day or two. Come on down, say hello. That'll be Fun. Play a little golf. And then we've got, right after that, starting in Atlanta, the Blue Ridge 500, which has got, for the first time ever, two track days. We've got Porsche Experience center driving Porsches. We've got Atlanta Motorsports park driving your own cars. We've got some fabulous hotels. We've got Tale of the Dragon, Charahalla Skyway, and an amazing drive route from Knoxville to Nashville. I ran it in a 911s last month, and it was absolutely fabulous. And actually, I'm driving it in something even better. So if you want to come drive with me. Signups are open now, but there's like a, like, I think four spots left. Maybe it's right. It's. This one's gonna fill up. It's like maybe four spots left. And down in Georgia and North Carolina and Tennessee, it's gonna be super, super fun experiences. Dot road and track dot com. Should we go to the people? We've left the patrons hanging for a while. I don't know. Did we. Did we get much page? We didn't do.

[B]

We did zero patron questions last time. But these are the questions from that were posted on that show.

[A]

Oh, from that.

[B]

So I saved them.

[A]

Do you need that water? Can I have it?

[B]

You can drink it.

[A]

Okay. All right. If you want to ask us questions for the show, catch the live stream, get the show before everybody else, get the show without ads or get extra show. Patreon.com the Smoking Tire podcast is where you do all of that. And let's see what they have to say. Explorer, I hardly knew her. Says I'm looking for at the new Prelude. I'm not sure who this vehicle is for. Who wants a sporty GT economy coupe with a hybrid Atkinson powertrain linked up to a CVT? I'm hearing it starting at 40k. Also, I don't see the market. What am I missing? Zach, do you have thoughts on the new Prelude?

[B]

No. I think it's like. It's a surprising move considering it's a coupe and we're seeing coops sold less and less. The news is saying it's a big hit with mature men in Japan.

[A]

So it's the new Solera.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That what you're saying?

[B]

I think that's what we're saying.

[A]

You think it looks weird. That was nice.

[B]

I think it looks like a mid engine. The profile of it looks mid engine, which it's not.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I think it's a little. I don't know.

[A]

That's fair. It does look.

[B]

It's not the President's fault. Like look pedestrian crash standards. So you have the super rounded hood we're used to. And then actually I bet if you put it next to a Mustang it would actually have a pretty similar profile. Maybe just a little shorter in the front. Yeah, I just, I don't think it's like amazing looking but it's just the.

[A]

Times seen one in person.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. CVT hybrid powertrain coupe.

[A]

I mean look, it's not for me, right. So maybe they, maybe they, maybe they see a market that I don't know for that car. I hope there's fucking Solaris around like they, they sold those things. There's a bunch of them around. So they're for somebody.

[B]

Yep, true.

[A]

Yeah. Vattels still have Bush did 997. What are some of your scariest moments in a car? Scary. I mean the times I've crashed. Yeah.

[B]

Hearing, hearing when you didn't mean to make that sound.

[A]

Sure. Now I was paired up with a Mexican like radio broadcaster for the Lexus RC F launch in the drive portion of it and she was a frighteningly bad driver. And you know, there's only so much you can say when you're in the car, but suffice to say at the driver change when it became my turn to drive, I, I found it was very easy to just tell her what to put in her story about the car so that she didn't have to drive anymore and that was the end of it. So the scariest part only lasted about 20 minutes. But she was, it was a, she was a very, very bad driver.

[B]

Riding with people you don't trust and that are doing things wrong is a very concerning moment.

[A]

Yeah, that was the last time I kind of. I'm a little bit of a dick about it now. If I go on press launches and it's a shared thing, I will only go if I can approve the person I'm sharing a car with. And I assume not everybody does that but like, sorry, like been in too many scary situations with people and I'm not naming names but like.

[B]

No. Well there was that famous story the journalist wrote the story about crashing McLaren in passenger seat. Like you know, another journalist could cause you a big problem.

[A]

Rolex LT Lariat King Ranch. Besides a minivan, what very pedestrian car have either of you driven? Thinking, wow, this is way more fun than I imagined it would be for me. It was a bone stock based manual. Mazda 2. Yeah, those are actually all right. Mazda 2 is not bad.

[B]

There was a spec series for a while with those. Honda fit a lot.

[A]

Honda fits are good.

[B]

Really good.

[A]

Way more fun. I mean, I don't know about fun, but like the Lexus ES350F Sport, that's pretty. Not terrible.

[B]

That car is stuck in my terrible memory as a great thing to drive.

[A]

Those are. Those are pretty decent actually.

[B]

Yeah, they drift well too. They do.

[A]

I mean like basic ass like hondas from the 1990s, like civics with double wishbones is like the Civic hatches and shit. Like them things rip. I drove a Skyline like a small one of the ones that was like the 2 liter turbo and that was pretty fun. That was a nice car to drive. Like if I was going to go through the trouble of getting a Skyline, I'd want to get that. But like the exist like this is. That's a nice little car. That was cool. 4k Libya. What is the. Oh, the yellow dial watch I wear Rolex Oyster Perpetual 41 yellow. It's nice. I like it very much too. It's bright colors. Live. Axel Rose says lots of people have tried to remake Top Gear, but no one has tried to remake the radio show Car Talk where callers call in about their automotive issues. Car Talk is what got me hooked on cars and thought it would be a good podcast format to reboot. Who would be your pick? Mine would be Freddie and Rich Benoit.

[B]

Yeah, those are good choices.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't think either of those guys want to fucking diagnose people's cars by phone. We're doing that. That's. This is what this is. We just don't have to like actually do the phone bit. We can read that. We can read the comment here.

[B]

I also wonder mechanical. I wonder if. If the number of questions meaning like has gone down because so many cars are computer controlled in so many ways. Like a lot of the questions on Car Talk where I'm hearing this sound or now if it feels weird, if it Dr. If there's a clunk, sure you can still call about that. That's still a thing. But nowadays it's like plug in the computer and see what it says.

[A]

Scan it. Uli Kunkel's Autobahn. Love it. Love it. I own a 2020 BMW M240 convertible that I would like to give to my college age daughter. The wife says it's too dangerous and isn't having it. NTSB crash fatality data doesn't imply convertibles are more dangerous than coupes or sedans. In fact, they may be more safe. Who is right here? And how do I win this one? Okay, so specifically your wife is saying it's too dangerous because it's a convertible, not because it's like a really fast BMW.

[B]

Well, that's what we're assuming. The wife may have provided more information that the editor here is not giving us.

[A]

Maybe. Yes. But the implication is coupes versus convertibles. I mean you're talking about really rollover. And I'm pretty sure that BMW has pop up roll hoops in the event of a rollover and it will have a very strong A pillar. So I mean there might be some incrementally small risk of like decapitation if you drive like under a semi or something without, like a Jayne Mansfield situation. Without. Does it not have rollover hoops?

[B]

Oh, I'm looking, I'm looking.

[A]

But I, I would. I don't think it's inherently more dangerous because it's a convertible. I wouldn't. If I don't have kids. But I would not put.

[B]

It does have a rollover bar because there's a YouTube video called how to remove rollover bar.

[A]

Yeah, I wouldn't if it was. There are certain convertibles, like I understand that you make you think that. But this one, this is a modern Miata.

[B]

Older Miatas that didn't, they didn't have a pop up bar. So if you were taller than that seat. Seat or if the seat gave way like you're having a problem.

[A]

Yeah, but I wouldn't worry about it in this, in this car in particular.

[B]

No. Yeah, I would wager that the crash fatality data might be. Because there's. I bet convertibles are owned by it. Older people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In general. And they probably get in less accidents.

[A]

Yeah, I think it's probably fine. I think they're more likely to get broken into if they're left outside. Yes, that's one thing I would.

[B]

And that's a really expensive repair.

[A]

Yeah, I'd be much more concerned about that than, than what would happen in a crash with a convertible. Matt's big beautiful engine. Bill. I love it, but also I hate it. Yeah, only one of those is bullshit. Oh, hey guys, what's up with this Instagram page called Angela's Death Highway? Is it someone poking fun or someone who doesn't fit into a club lashing out? It just seems odd. I think it's satire. Yeah, it's like AI slop satire. But apparently I'm. Did you see I was lampooned in the second one.

[B]

I did see.

[A]

Fortunately.

[B]

It's just that I have cats you have cats, I have cats. Like, and the person, the AI person didn't look at all like you. No, I didn't know it was supposed to be you until it was like, in front of a pink convertible Porsche, talking about cats.

[A]

Yeah. Which like. Okay, fine. I'm not upset that someone has put and say he has cats. Like, all right, fine, whatever. Okay. Obviously it's someone poking fun. Maybe someone who truly doesn't like someone. Although I thought even the one poking fun of Magnus was like, fairly light hearted.

[B]

Yes. I thought that was funny.

[A]

The first one I did. You sent me the first one, which I did think was actually like, pretty funny.

[B]

Yeah, there's some clever writing in there. The guy that runs it, I don't know who he is, I will say that, but he DM'd me and he said that he's gonna start asking permission to lampoon people instead of just doing.

[A]

It's probably someone who's genuinely just trying to be funny and not someone who's actually got a problem with something.

[B]

Because I think the way they. There's a video where they poke fun at the Angeles Crest crowd, the Newport crowd and the track crowd.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like, all right, so they know socal car to car culture. They're making fun of all. They're not. This isn't a track person who's making fun of only canyon people. Like, they're encompassing the whole world.

[A]

I. I thought it was pretty funny.

[B]

That's pretty funny.

[A]

Yeah, I was. I mean, I was not offended by it.

[B]

The Newport beach one was so funny. It was like, I can't believe Porsche sells cars to these people that buy them.

[A]

The one. What was the one line I used? I. Oh, my God. It was a couple days ago and you sent it to me with one of those lines. I was like, die. Oh my God. It was great. But I thought it was funny. I'm on the LIE to hell. That's fucking good. If you could burden your co host with a 70s 80s era Neo classical car is there daily for a year in honor of these Stutz Duesenberg.

[B]

Well, we want to give. Are we giving each other a bad car or a. Like a 70s 80s car that we would like?

[A]

Well, so neoclass. You know what a neoclassical car is? Like an Excalibur.

[B]

Okay, Right.

[A]

Like, I would want an Excalibur. I'd want you. I would want you to have an Excalibur.

[B]

They're so funny.

[A]

They're the best. I mean, they're the best ones of those, right?

[B]

I would give you the car that my neighbor had. He moved out now, but it was, it was a coach builder in Santa Barbara in the 70s and at the time the cars were $200,000. It's called like a Cavalina or something, but it has like a Ford 302 in it. It sounds good. It sounds like, like a fox body, but it looks like an Excalibur.

[A]

There's a guy in my neighborhood that has a cord. It looks like a 30s cord, but it was built in the 70s, like under license.

[B]

Those are cool.

[A]

Yeah, it was kind of neat. Those. Like. Have you seen the. There's a couple. There's a guy who's got a boat tail. Speedster replica in Malibu. The black silver one. Like it's not. I like, I don't like replicas really. But like I, if I was forced to roll something like that, I would roll that.

[B]

What about I give you a legends car that's neoclassical, not street legal in Florida.

[A]

Yeah, I tried to get a legends car last minute for performance car of the year. I think we have to do it because we wanted like a wild card.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, well.

[B]

Yeah, Wild card. Yeah.

[A]

Well, you should see what we found. Oh, the wild card that we wanted kind of fell through.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So we got. Do you know that Segway makes a stand up scooter, like razor style scooter or bird scooter style scooter called the GT3 that has full suspension, big disc brakes, like mountain bike brakes. It's two wheel, two wheel drive.

[B]

What?

[A]

And in eco mode, supposedly, supposedly grain of salt goes 100km on, on a range. But in like race mode, it will do 50 miles an hour.

[B]

And it's a stand up scooter.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's wild. Have you seen the like the razor scooter racing things with like full leathers and stuff.

[A]

Well, so Emmett, Emmett White, who writes for Road and Track, got himself a set of like alpine stars, MotoGP leathers and ran laps of Thunderhill and this thing.

[B]

Awesome. Did he ever fall?

[A]

He did not fall.

[B]

Yeah. Good.

[A]

A few of us wrote it. It's, it's, it's basically almost unrideable in like race mode. In sport mode, I would describe it as hairy. But then we're like finishing up and they're like, to segue like, hey, how do we get this thing back to you? And they're like, ah, just hang on to it. Everyone else is flying home. I'm driving home. I've got in the car, it folds fit in the backseat of the RS3. And now we have a Segway GT3.

[B]

Awesome.

[A]

It is. It fucking rips. This thing is so. And I brought it. It was in the back of the car. So I brought it to pebble beach, you know, and I didn't want to like drive around for the weekend within the back. So I had the hotel like put it with where the golf bags go. And then I woke up early the Monday morning. We were gonna leave but Hannah had to do a work call from 7:30 to 9. And I had this. The scooter was there and they're really cool at the hotel. I was like, I don't have anything to like do. I was like, hey, let me get the scooter out. And I got the scooter out and fucking threw it in sport mode. And I rode like six, seven miles a 17 mile drive. I went down to the lodge and like got coffee and like fucking did a bunch of the, you know, looped it around and I was like, this thing is great. It was so fun.

[B]

That's very cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, now we have that a good time. Perfect. My car's out of commission.

[A]

And you will get to see, you'll get to see the lap time, how it compares to an actual 911 GT3 performance car of the year Racing bulls on parade. Currently driving cross country. And my friends, Elise. Omg.

[B]

Oh wait.

[A]

Oh wait. They just want to. Oh, we want to sneak our way through Tucson, end up in Vegas before spending time in la. Oh wow. Well, this was from last week.

[B]

Oh, they're done.

[A]

They're probably done. I hope you made it and I hope you have a good physical therapist and possibly neurosurgeon. I needed both after my. After I did that very drive. Isaiah Stanley Best. What are the best eighty to eighties to nineties driver's cars under a hundred thousand bucks. Air cooled 911s and SC probably Corvette ZR1 get a like a 95, 96 Corvette ZR1 for sure. You could get. You could probably get a. For you put 15,000 miles on a Ferrari 328.

[B]

Could you get a 348 for that money?

[A]

You get a 308, 328 or 348 for that money.

[B]

That's a lot of cool cars.

[A]

You could also probably get a. You could get a 360 F1 probably with miles on it and put some more miles on it cheap.

[B]

You could get any E30 pretty much, which would be pretty nice.

[A]

You could get a mid year's NSX and put 50. You know, you buy a hundred thousand mile NSX or 115,000 miles and you drive for two years, sell it with 130. That's the same basically for the market. You know, you keep a nice Mark 4 supra.

[B]

Those just. Those just take miles. No problem.

[A]

Yeah, they're not as engaging to me, but they're not. You could get an R30, a great. A pretty good R32 Skyline. That would be good. Yeah. Lots of options. 100k is a lot of money. You could get it. You could get a. You can get. Well, it's too new, but I mean you get a great 996 Turbo. That's like oh two. You could get. I mean you can get a great E46 M3, you get a great E39 M5. You could get an E30 M3.

[B]

Or the. What was it? Was it E36 M5? The. No, no, the E34 E34.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Those are cool.

[A]

Those are fun. Yeah. There's a lot of options in that. That price pain. Columbia presents the Coking Tire. All right, a lot of words in this one, Amy.

[B]

What?

[A]

I mean, real chatty recommendation. Recommendations for a luxury sedan to replace a Julia Quad. Had it for a year. A little too hardcore for daily use. Looking at maybe hot rod E class models. Looking for a luxury four door. Physical buttons for climate and radio up to 60k. Huh.

[B]

Look at the interior of this E class.

[A]

All right, you're not gonna like this. Genesis G70 rear drive, twin turbo V6. Better interior than the Alpha.

[B]

True.

[A]

Mostly real buttons.

[B]

True.

[A]

Pretty fast. Doesn't sound bad. Those are all right. Yeah. Used E classes. That's like the 2013-15 or so.

[B]

Yeah, that's what they're talking about with the 212. So I mean, that's a good choice. That's a fun, noisy choice. The Genesis is a really nice car. I drove one of those for a week.

[A]

Yeah, you get one of those new.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, that's a good point.

[A]

The one we drove was like 53 grand brand new.

[B]

Yeah. Keep the warranty for sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's a nice car.

[A]

You may not like this. Physical buttons for climate and radio. 60K. How about a. How about a lightly used CT4V Blackwing?

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

If you could find one of those.

[B]

Yeah. Because they still have the same piano across the middle. Uhhuh. Yeah, that's a good point.

[A]

They have the buttons.

[B]

I'd rather have that than the. The Genesis is a nicer interior, like it looks more opulent. Yeah, but I think there's fewer screens and haptic stuff in The Cadillac.

[A]

Yes. CT4 Blackwing would be. That would be all right. Hawk Tuatara.

[B]

So good.

[A]

That rules. Man, did that chick disappear quickly, huh?

[B]

She's getting investigated by the sec.

[A]

Yeah. Thou shalt not do a rug pull.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Seems I thought. It's funny. Coffee Zilla told me that there weren't laws, but maybe that's not entirely true.

[B]

I think it. If you're very powerful. There are not laws. If you're, if you're Hawk to a girl. That's right.

[A]

If you're the president, you can do that. Not if you're. I see. When pulling away from a stop in a manual transmission car, do you let off the clutch by rocking your foot back on your heel first or just pulling your whole foot back with your leg?

[B]

I always rock my foot back. Unless I'm driving a car where the ergonomics require full leg movement. Like old trucks usually like, like your foot is aimed downward or. Sorry, your leg is so vertical that you can't rock your foot. You just have to pull your leg back.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I, I, I pull my toes up and then my whole foot.

[B]

Yeah. Follows like I like I, I lean my foot back until I usually find the friction point.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then by that point, I also want to move my leg for comfort.

[A]

It also depends if the friction point is low or high.

[B]

True.

[A]

If it's low, then you can kind of do that. If it's high, you have no real choice but to lift your entire foot. I adapt to the vehicle. And it depends on the vehicle more than it depends on my personal desire. The polestar's Polestar. I want a splash of color in my life to tide me over until I turn in my chalk macan and get a yellow black wing next year. Good for you with the fucking. See, the problem with that yellow is it's called cyber yellow. You can't tell anybody that. But it still does look cool. It was the color of the press car I dressed drove. It was fun. I've been trying to hunt down the purple version. Oh. Of a notice sector. Oh, oh, a watch. Okay. What other there wasn't a purple version of a notice. Oh. A sector gmt. What other brands have a decent purple dial? I don't know, man. That's a.

[B]

For that money, they should go to that same watch page we've talked about.

[A]

Oh. Go to and horology lab and just have a custom.

[B]

Well, you could totally do that. That's actually a great idea. I was gonna say the LA watch show that happened we've referred to a bunch of times. This is right in that price point. And on that page, the splash page was all. With all the brands.

[A]

Yeah. There's LA page. Yeah. I want to help. I didn't. I should have read this to myself before reading it out loud, but I can't access that. What brands have a good purple? Like I, as a colorblind guy, I can't. I can't access that part of my brain. Sorry. Steel beams melt jet fuel. Okay. Does it make sense to keep watches on winders versus letting the power reserve run out? I am a big fan of letting the watch run out. The only reason I would keep a watch on a winder is if it had some real complicated movement like a perpetual calendar or something where if it stopped moving it would be a real pain in the ass to set it again. So those are the only watches I've ever kept on winding winders was a perpetual. The other ones, they want, they, they die. You pick them up when it's time to wear them, you set them, you wind them and then you're good to go. So I let them die. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Curtis Bowman says what would be the race series or singular race we would run if we were given a free entry and could pick the car you would drive as well. Could be hill, climb, rally, endurance, whatever. I'd want to do either Millimelia, Targa Newfoundland, Targa Florio or like Targa Tasmania. One of the, one of the. A far away road rally with some closed sections.

[B]

Yeah, I don't want to. I think I would lean toward the targas because I feel like the cars are more modern and faster. The Mille Miglia now seems like a parade with a. Some craziness mixed into it. But the cars are also very old.

[A]

Yeah, I mean if we're talking fantasy cars, then you and I are in a Ferrari 250 Tesarosa. Ripping.

[B]

Right. The roads are closed. Yeah.

[A]

That'd be magical if it's like reality. Like, like yes, we get a free entry, but we have to like have a car that's like attainable for like regular people. I mean, I think the answer is Safari911.

[B]

Safari 911 on one of the targas. Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, those cars move around a little.

[A]

Bit more like, you know, if it's. Are those full tarmac or their dirt sections?

[B]

I don't know. I think it varies. I think Newfoundland is all tarmac. I think it's surface streets.

[A]

I'd want to do a mixed surface. It has. It has to be mixed surface.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that rally, that Zwart does, the.

[B]

Colorado hill climb thing.

[A]

Yeah, that seems.

[B]

I really want to do that. Yeah.

[A]

And the right car for that is a Mach E.

[B]

I want something louder. I mean, you'll win for sure. A Mach E rally with a cage would be a great car. And actually Ford might be interested in making that happen.

[A]

A fan DM'd me like a couple days ago and said that he was doing a local regional rally cross and someone showed up in a Mach E rally and said. Destroyed everybody in the all wheel drive stock class.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And was only beaten by like a couple like profusely professional grade hill climb cars.

[B]

I bet.

[A]

Presumably driven. Driven by professional grade drivers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, like this dude just showed up and just like Merced people. It is Mach E. That's awesome. God, I hope it's leased.

[B]

You know, that's what that car should be used for.

[A]

That is. I will die on the hill. That. That is the most underappreciated car in the market right now.

[B]

Ford, if you're listening, put a cage in a Mach E rally and let's do the Colorado hill climb.

[A]

That would be so fun. How long is the course? It's not. It's not too long.

[B]

What's it called? It's not. Is it Mount Evans? Oakland, though?

[A]

I don't know. The only problem with the Mach E rally that I could foresee is that when I did performance EV of the year two, two years ago, I only got full power for like maybe three laps of the track. So that could be an issue. We'd have to. We'd have to have him set it to like nuclear just to make sure that you had full kill the whole time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or maybe Vaughn would let us use his like electric, like 1500 horsepower.

[B]

All right, I can't find it.

[A]

So, Chevy D list celebrity wagon. Thoughts on rebuying a car you've owned before? Ooh, that's a tough one. Have you ever re dated a girl that you've dated before? Because I have, and it did not fucking go well.

[B]

Remember? I mean. Well, we all have. Yeah. And I didn't marry any of them, so I think that tells you how it goes.

[A]

Yeah. If I sell a car, I'm mentally done with that car. I now have enough space and resources where I could keep a car for indefinitely if I wanted to. So a piece people ever. Every. Well, let me just put it this way. Anytime someone who owns a car I've owned before wants to sell it, the very first thing they do is DM me. So I know that my old Corvette has had like four different owners since me. The Mustang is on like, you know, owner, whatever. And they always, hey, you know, I'm looking to sell, you know, do you want. No, I don't miss these things. Like they can go, but would you?

[B]

I think anytime I see an 06 STI, I go, oh, cuz I have such fond memories.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I'm sure if I drove one around again for like a week, I'd go, oh yeah, okay. I mean, I had the experience. I will never be able to replicate how much fun I had in that car.

[A]

So, yeah, okay. Basically this Donnie's cellmate says thoughts on Soviet watches. Like Raqueta, I feel like every watch collector has a phase where they discover Soviet watches. And Soviet watches are pretty funny. They're like, the design on them is like insane. The numbers are really nuts looking. They tick like fucking time bombs. Because like of course they do. And they're cheap. You know, you can get a pretty cool looking, funky watch for like you know, under two or three, $300. And. And some of them do look cool. I had one or two back in the day. I, I buy them, I wear them once or twice. I get sick of them. They don't. They're not really waterproof. The movements are like, okay. You know, it's so, it's, you know, I don't know if it's one of those things where if you're in that phase of like buying, like I want to have 12 watches that are cheap just so I can have like a big, you know, collection. Then it's a good thing to have and wear once in a while. But both of the ones I had, I ended up like giving away to my nephew or something. I was not all that into them. Manual transmissionary position. That's fucking great. Studio Underdog watches. What are your thoughts? They're very cool. I wish they made a 40 millimeter. All their watches are like 37, so they're too small for me, otherwise I would have bought one.

[B]

They're really cool.

[A]

They're really cool. The colors are rad, they're. The vibe is really fun. If they come out with a 40 or 41, I'm in. But not at 37. Okay. Stone Cold et says my sister in law. I think that's. Or maybe son Sil just bought an electric Kona. Other than EV rated winter tires, what Else. Oh, should she? I guess that sister in law due to prepare for a northern British Columbia winter, she does not have indoor parking or charging at her apartment. Ooh, that sucks. P.S. she hasn't had a car in winter in 30 years, so this could be tough because let's. I mean if you have outdoor parking for an EV and no charging, you can't use any of the benefits of like preheating the battery and the cabin off the grid. You have to use the car to do that. So like when people talk about the EV range sucking in the winter, it's mainly if you cold start it like, like your sister in law is gonna have to do, it'll be fully cold, soaked to who, fuck, God knows what, 30 below overnight and it's gonna take so much energy to get that thing warm. Your range is, is like. Whereas if you could plug it in overnight and you use the app and say I'm leaving at 8am It'll pre condition everything like before you get in the car using the home power. And your range will be much more like it would have been normally. It'll still be a little lower but not nearly like low like it is like your sister in law's. I hope she doesn't have to go very far.

[B]

Basically she should prepare to have a much reduced range.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And does the car feel different when it's super cold when you first start cold starting it?

[A]

I mean it won't like give you full power, but I'm guessing this person is just like flooring it out of her apartment every day.

[B]

But yeah. So winter tires and just shorter trips.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean if the, if the advertised range is 300, but you're cold starting it like this, I bet you get 150. It's going to use so much energy to get that battery.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It just. Yeah.

[B]

That, that means she probably needs to be really diligent about charging before she goes home because it might be two, three days in a row depending on what your drive is each day. But if it's tell her the first time she cold starts it on a really cold day to look at how much the range has changed from when she arrived home. And then you have to do that math how many days you can do that before you have no battery.

[A]

Paul says if you could turn any SoCal road into a permanent hill climb where you would pay and drive like the Nurburgring, which would you choose? That's a fun one. Spunky Canyon.

[B]

Oh, that's a fun one. That's a. Yeah, you Got a lot of long straight stuff and then it turn gets real tight.

[A]

Yeah. I would do the. The whole length of spunky canyon road where you have a really fast section that then dives into a very technical section with good camber. That could be really fun if you.

[B]

Want it to be slightly safer. I think something like big to hunger, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A little more sweepy, a little bit. And the speeds aren't too high.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

That's a nice one too.

[A]

How about Sand Canyon?

[B]

I don't. Yeah, it's okay. Up and over.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just. I don't think that's that great.

[A]

Okay. Christian says I'm 30 and have never had the opportunity to learn how to drive a stick. My dad has an 84 RX7. If I learned on that, would it translate to other modern cars? Yep.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Sure would. That's the best thing about stick. It's permanent.

[B]

Yep. Neither of us, we didn't learn on modern cars. We learned on old cars because that's what was around.

[A]

Two dope boys and a mountaineer. That's great. I love that. It was more like six dope boys. We roll six up three rows. TVs everywhere. After your reviews, I leased a Mach E premium rear wheel drive and have been loving it since the EV credit is gone. What do you think the used EV market will do? Should I consider buying the lease out? I. Well, you should have. I mean, even if it's a two year lease, I think you have a couple of months to figure that out. Like, I mean, I think the used EV market will be bolstered slightly. You know, it'll go up. If the price of new ones go up, the price of used ones will at least maybe. If not go up, they will. The depreciation will slow. As someone who owns a used luxury ev, I'm in that boat too.

[B]

Now, is the. Is their price locked? Is their buyout price locked in before the EV credits went away? Well, that's kind of good.

[A]

The buyout price is locked in from the day.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they might.

[A]

So you know, you know how much you're gonna have to pay and you can wait until that day. I mean, you know, you don't. This is. Other than ensuring, you know you have another car when if you got to be ready to turn it in or ready to buy it out and ready to make a move based on either. But you don't need a whole ton of foresight.

[B]

Right.

[A]

To do that.

[B]

So they could watch what's happening with the used market, which is great. And then you might find yourself in a position where your buyout price is lower than the market rate, which would be incredible. It's like when people were buying the Saab 9 2X back in the day and selling it for more.

[A]

Yeah. My guess is if your miles are like any other car, if your miles are way under, it may make sense to buy the lease. If your miles are close to the allocated miles or over, then it's probably not worth it. That's just my like napkin math. There's. I'm sure there's a lot of nuance there, but you don't have to know that now. You can. You could figure that out with a few days notice and be ready to go. Chase car says what's the better daily weekend combo from GM and Porsche? Okay, wait, wait. Oh, okay, wait. So a Black Wing daily and a 911 or Cayman as a weekend car versus a Macan or Panamera daily and a Corvette weekend car. 150k for both cars living here, I.

[B]

Would go Macan daily. Corvette weekend car. Yeah, that's what I would do. CTSV is awesome. But like as a daily noise, fuel consumption stiff, low.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Around here it would just be stupid.

[A]

Yeah. Macan, Macan daily and Corvette weekend car would probably be all right. It would have to be a good Corvette.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But that's what I would. That's where I'd be. Yeah.

[B]

What are used Z06 is going for?

[A]

I mean, that's it. It would have to be a CH06. I'm not, I'm not buying a regular one, but it would have to be. I'll tell you what. You know the best thing about the ZR1 is that it's a Corvette. I mean it's, you know, it's not precious. It will never be precious. And like that's great because it means a. They'll. They'll. However many the market wants to buy, they'll build 20 more than that. Right. And so they're going to depreciate. Maybe not forever, maybe not as fast. But like, man, when a ZR1 gets to 100k, that's crazy. Let me tell you something. You better be ready with 100k because they're worth the money new. But if you're an enthusiast and you're going, I'm never going to afford a McLaren or a Pista or any of that kind of shit. Figure out how to save a hundred over three or four years and the ZR1 will come to you like.

[B]

Oh, sorry, I'll do that.

[A]

Oh, Stew Dog has a customer patreon issue, but Zach says noted. Okay. Okay. Wait. Thoughts. 2007 L.L. bean outback thoughts on the M2Cs. The old one compared to other sports cars in 70, 90k seems to have held up. It's held up as an investment perspective. They're rad. Those, those last M2s were a good time. They came in manual too, didn't they? You get.

[B]

I think they did. Transmissions, suspension on them was incredible.

[A]

Yeah, they were fun. I probably could get used to it over time. Like, it's not the kind of thing that would like keep me inside excited constantly. Like I bet it was. I remember it was great for like a week, but like if I had it for a year, I'd kind of be like, okay, you know, this is the thing. So I don't see it as like a forever car, but like the M1 and these M2Cs, you can put a few thousand miles on them for what seems like free, you know, which is pretty cool. Oh, is that good? Compared to the GT350, Cayman GTS and Camaro SS ZL1. Well, is that, I mean, the Mustangs and Camaros are bigger. That's the biggest thing. They're both faster and they're both bicker. So like that the M2 is small. The Cayman GTS is very small and mid engine. So like the M2's virtue is that it's very, very fast and very, very small. Not very.

[B]

But it's also like luxurious inside. Yeah, it's very comfortable. It's got all the modern stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it definitely feels like an upscale car compared to the GT350 or the Camaro.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And if you're not putting people in the back seat all the time, then it actually does have a lot of room for the front seat seat. They're like, they're very good. Yeah, Yeah, I like them. One more and then I have to stop the show to pee. Matt's matzo ball soup. That's Carl's matzo ball soup. I have no matzo ball soup. My own. I'm very fortunate to make Carl's. I should make it soon. It's been a long time getting more into track driving. Should I upgrade my 87F? 87M2 or get something like a BRZ for the track? I mean, comes down to money and space. I mean, if you, you know, if.

[B]

You.

[A]

Wait, like I don't understand, like, is this a second car? Get a brz. Second car is what we're thinking here this means.

[B]

Yeah, I think it's. Should I upgrade my M2 or should I get a BRZ? I think as a dedicated track.

[A]

Dedicated track car. Why have we haven't we learned about. Is there a fix for that oil baffle thing?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I will first figure out if that is. I probably wouldn't get a BRZ. If you have an M2 as a streetcar, I think it would probably feel slow. I'd probably get like a 2014 Mustang GT with a maximum motorsports kit and run actual good times.

[B]

That is a.

[A]

In your car.

[B]

The best performance, bargain, reliability bargain out there.

[A]

Yeah, that. That would actually be, you know, or.

[B]

You could get an E36 track car with like the regular S52 or something or just like the M50 in it because then it'll again, it will have more horsepower or feel faster than the brz. BRZ engine.

[A]

Just.

[B]

I don't. The bounce of those cars is so fun. There was one at Lemons. Lasted the whole time. A bunch of people in the paddock were saying, that's probably going to be the new lemons Miata because Miatas just aren't cheap enough really anymore. They've gone up.

[A]

So yeah, this last one is real quick. And then we're gonna end here. Trogador the Burninator. Should I have any concerns taking my notice canyon through airport security? Do X rays, et cetera, have any negative impact on mechanical watches? No, you should have. No, no issue at all taking any mechanical watch through an X ray machine. I will. I refuse to take my watches off at airport security in any country. Rob Ferretti's Panerai was stolen at airport security. That doesn't necessarily mean all airport security is inherently unsafe. And I don't know, like Monger, but like they're, they're. They don't ask you to. People just automatically take their watches off. But like you, I've. I've fly so much, no watch has ever set off airport fucking security for me. And if they absolutely insist you take it off, bury that shit inside your bag. Like, don't just like put it in a tray and send it through. Like, yeah, no, but keep it on. Keep it on. That's our show, folks. Thank you for your patience. As I traveled and we had to do a remote show. Get ahead. All those things is back in the studio now for a little bit and yeah, road and track experiences. If you want to come drive with me in November. Willow Springs this weekend, Saturday, all day. It's going to be great fun. Come out and see the show. Say hi and thank you to our patrons for such great questions. We will see you guys on Thursday. Bye.