Waymo Danger; Our Award; Spyder Milestone

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast — “Waymo Danger; Our Award; Spyder Milestone”

Hosts: Matt Farah & Zack Klapman
Date: November 28, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lighthearted, post-Thanksgiving episode, Matt and Zack catch up in the studio, diving into family holiday logistics and travel hacks before moving into the show’s trademark blend of industry insights, car culture, and comedy. They dissect the awkward realities of autonomous Waymo taxis, celebrate an unexpected (and slightly dubious) podcast award, share personal milestones—including Matt’s 7,000-mile mark on his Porsche Spyder—and field listeners’ questions on everything from restomods to “big dick energy” vehicles. As always, the rapport between the hosts brings both humor and heartfelt moments, punctuated by memorable quotes and opinions on current happenings in the automotive world.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Thanksgiving Holiday Stories

• 00:46 — Matt and Zack talk travel plans, including family dynamics, kids, and how they navigate multiple Thanksgivings with different sides.
• Matt humorously details how his wife, Hannah, has a “non-negotiable” commitment to her family’s Thanksgiving, resulting in him planning a cross-state double holiday marathon:
  • [09:13] Matt: "This is among the more hardcore things I have ever done."
  • Discusses logistics, car rentals, and airport strategies with typical Farah flair, including flying into Westchester instead of JFK to avoid travel hell.

Winning the Racer Creator Award

• 19:03 — They recap hosting the Racer Creator Awards, an event by Racer magazine.
  • The Smoking Tire wins Best Podcast, but the real story is how makeshift and noisy the event was.
  • [21:02] Matt: “There was no way in which you were gonna crush [the comedy set]. I think you did amazing.”
  • Zack describes the challenges: performing in a tent during an atmospheric river, only two walls, rain pounding, and crowd noise.
  • Discussion on why all awards start off “made up,” and why L.A. is the perfect city for automotive creator celebrations.

Amelia Hartford’s Trophy Hustle

• [23:08] — Amelia Hartford won three categories but only received one trophy, so she hilariously borrows others' for her Instagram posts:
  • Matt: “Here’s why she’s Creator of the Year—her photo set makes the thing look like it was a bigger, much more legit, established thing than it really was.”

Waymo Robotaxi Mayhem

• 30:59 — Matt recounts a mildly disastrous Waymo taxi experience at a mall parking lot.
  • Waymos are “cautious, fucking passive," excessively slow and easily flummoxed by human assertiveness.
  • [32:33] Matt: “It doubled the time I was gonna take to get here.”
  • Zack shares stories of Waymos blocking driveways, and the sheer communication breakdown when there’s no driver to interact with, describing it as an “AI version of ‘I’d like to speak to your manager.’”
  • Both agree AVs (autonomous vehicles) are clever but not ready to mix smoothly with unpredictable human drivers in dense, messy environments like parking lots.
  • Matt’s workaround: hitting the “pull over” button at the right moment to avoid being dropped off “by the raccoons” next to the building trash.

Peterson Museum Visit & Art Instalations

• 39:03 — Zack describes new exhibits at the Peterson, notably Mr. Brainwash’s art blending classic painting with car culture.
• Matt gives film recs: “Exit Through the Gift Shop” for Mr. Brainwash context.
• Segue to Revology Mustangs: both hosts praise updates and driving experience, commenting on how proper input devices (shift levers, analog keys) matter in car enjoyment.

Porsche Spyder Milestone

• 44:00 — Matt celebrates 7,000 miles on his Porsche Spyder.
  • Matt: “That car’s been ace, you know … no regrets on that one. That thing is—I should do a road trip somewhere in that car.”
  • Notes the heavy clutch as the only real drawback.

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Listener Q&A Highlights

New Car High School Impressions

• 51:00 — Zack and Matt reminisce about high school “wow” cars; S4s, Supras, and VW’s influence on car culture.

Restomod Hits and Misses (61:13)

• Too much horsepower in modern restomods (called out by Zack), with Gunther’s builds cited as “too much for most people.” Both hosts want more attention to touch points, not just performance stats.

Watching Racing — Marry, Fuck, Kill (55:19)

• Pikes Peak: Marry (accessible, fun)
• Dakar: F—once (great adventure, but hard to do more than once)
• Le Mans: Kill (too exhausting, tough to follow in-person)
  • Matt: “Watching racing in person stinks for most forms of racing.”

Automotive Stereotypes (58:17)

• Car stereotypes have some basis but are usually overemphasized by confirmation bias.

Best Money Ever Spent (64:12)

• Matt: His Vespa (“best consumer product I’ve ever purchased”) and hiring lawyers/accountants.
• Zack: Professional movers, accountants, and a quality chef’s knife (“worth every penny”).

Watch & Kit Car Clones: Fake or Not? (81:10)

• Matt’s strong stance: “Don’t buy fake shit. There are so many cool watches out there for the money … you just don’t need to do it.”

ADA (ADAS) Preferences (84:46)

• Both turn off most driver aids (especially lane keep). Rivian’s driver assist earns rare praise.

Big Dick Energy Cars (89:45)

• Vans (esp. custom or luxury ones), Manxes, and cars that “exude a relaxed, confident person” named as most “BD energy”—not overcompensating muscle cars.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [07:00] Matt: “You hear about that with car people who buy Bugattis … The service is $25,000.”
• [13:04] Matt: “I hate helicopters. But if they did a chopper—”
• [21:17] Matt: “In typical Zach fashion, subtle jokes that were really, really funny … Hannah was like, ‘Oh my god, he’s killing.’”
• [23:08] Matt: explaining Amelia Hartford’s Instagram strategy: “Here’s why she’s creator of the year … makes it look much more legit than it really was.”
• [32:33] Matt: “It doubled the time I was gonna take to get here. AVs ain’t it for solving traffic.”
• [36:57] Zack: “Otherwise [the Waymo] drops you where the raccoons live.”
• [44:09] Matt: “I hit 7,000 miles in the Spyder … No regrets on that one.”
• [58:38] Matt: “I don’t think that many [car stereotypes] are actually true.”
• [61:13] Zack: “What a lot of [restomod companies] are getting wrong is too much horsepower … there’s plenty of fun at lower levels.”
• [81:10] Matt: “Buying fake stuff is lame.”
• [85:06] Zack: “I think my wife turns off the lane keep assist stuff.”

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Fun Timestamps & Segment Map

• 00:46—13:00: Thanksgiving logistics, holiday travel hacks, family anecdotes.
• 19:03—26:40: Racer Awards recap, hosting struggles, Amelia Hartford’s trophy saga.
• 30:59—38:54: Waymo robotaxi fails, real-world AV awkwardness, pedestrian anecdotes.
• 39:03—44:42: Peterson Museum, automotive art, Revology Mustang praise.
• 44:00—45:17: Porsche Spyder hits 7,000 miles—Matt’s road trip aspirations.
• 47:41—100:39: Listener Q&A (restomods, events, car culture, watch clones, biggest “BD Energy” vehicles, and more), closing with Matt’s birthday dinner story and gratitude.

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Tone & Atmosphere

• The episode moves effortlessly between light ribbing and honest advice, with the duo’s chemistry pulling listeners through diverse topics without losing thread. Listeners get insight and laughter in equal measure, whether hosts are nerding out or poking fun at the quirks of family, car culture, and new tech.

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This episode is a perfect encapsulation of The Smoking Tire’s unique blend: personal car journeys, strong opinions, industry context, relatable banter, and—above all—a passion for automotive adventures in all their forms.

Transcript

[A]

Hey, O. Happy Thanksgiving from the Smoking Tire. And it's the Smoking Tire podcast. Hopefully you're driving somewhere good this week. And if you are, you're gonna want to know about off the record because they are gonna be out in full force trying to get you doing something a little nasty in your car. And if you get pulled over and ticketed for any reason whatsoever, you don't plead guilty. You need off the record. They will assign a qualified attorney in the jurisdiction where you got that t and they will do everything they can to get those points off of your record. As you know, points on your license can affect your insurance, your employment, and any number of other things. You don't want them kids, trust me. Don't plead guilty. Get off the record. Go to offtherecord.com TST that's offtherecord.com Tst to get 10% off all legal services booked through off the record one more time offtherecord.comtst. to get 10% off all legal services for off the record. And drive safe this holiday. All right, guys, on this post Thanksgiving Day special, Zach and I are in the studio and I am bitching about waymos getting lost in parking lots. I hit a milestone in my spider. Zach hosts a made up but fun awards show and a whole lot more. It's the Smoking Tire podcast. Let's do it. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the show. I guess you're gonna be hearing this either Wednesday or Friday or Thursday. Thanksgiving maybe.

[B]

Well, we know you're right. We might do it Friday.

[A]

A big old surprise when you put this up. If you hear it after Thanksgiving, I hope you had a good one. If you're listening to us live, I hope you're going to have a good one. Zach's about to go to Palm Springs for a week in a Volvo. Cross country.

[B]

Yeah, the Jews travel to the desert, but in comfort, right? V90 cross country.

[A]

We said we'd never go back there. 40 years in the desert.

[B]

Did the. Remember when we were on the hike in Angel's Landing and these, like, orthodox kids were walking up the stairs or the switchbacks, and one of them was like, I'm so tired. And my brain was just like, bro, you should be good at this.

[A]

40 years. You should have. You should have known.

[B]

Residual cardio.

[A]

You guys study real hard for this. Yeah, already. You know what? You. You don't know how to make matzah. The fuck. They didn't have time for the bread to rise.

[B]

Yeah, sure. Always in a rush.

[A]

Why? Yeah, that should I Mean your Thanksgiving's not that like stressful, right? It's pretty. Is it pretty mellow?

[B]

What do we call it? It's a trip, not a vacation. I think my cousin described it.

[A]

Do people do drugs?

[B]

No, no, no, not that kind of trip. No, not that kind of trip. Valid question. It's just there's a lot of personalities, you know, and you have to like. Some of them are really cool and chill and some of them are a little judgy and you got to kind of manage all of that. And there's just like lots of kids, lots of dogs. There's lots of. Lots to pay attention.

[A]

A lot of moving parts.

[B]

A lot of moving parts. It's very fun. And I truly love all my cousins. They're really cool and fun, but trying to get time with them. I feel like a politician.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like scheduling half an hour while their kids doing something.

[A]

That'd be funny. If you guys have to like send in like, you know, send me that.

[B]

Calendar in the calendar thing and find your slot.

[A]

The roof at 3:30.

[B]

It really is. We have a dinner on Friday night that's no kids, which is fun. So it's just adults only. The kids will do whatever. I think one of the kids is old enough to babysit the other one.

[A]

Yeah. I mean the kids will steal the liquor from the liquor cabinet and get shit faced.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

At home while you guys.

[B]

Maybe they're like 12.

[A]

That's the age that that happens.

[B]

That's a good point.

[A]

All you need is one of them to be 15.

[B]

One of them is 16.

[A]

You cannot have a 15 year old babysitting a 12 year old. They will all be drun.

[B]

We'll see. She doesn't seem like that kind of kid, but maybe not. Maybe not.

[A]

I'm not. Maybe that's just. I'm projecting my own family.

[B]

Hey, that's all we know. We know what we were.

[A]

Look, all I'm saying is I was the 16 year old.

[B]

I had friends in high school who did that for sure. Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

Mine. Oh my God. So I'm pretty sure we've talked about it in the past. Thanksgiving is Hannah's family's holiday. Yep. It is non negotiable whether or not Hannah goes to her family's Thanksgiving. I've always been told that it's optional whether or not I go. But she's going, right? Like she will never go to my parents Thanksgiving. That's what that means. I mean literally, we've been together since 2014. So this will be year 1214. Yeah. 11. Sorry. No, I was trying to think at what time of the year we met, but it was before that. So. Yes. So this will be year year 11. And she's never been to my family's Thanksgiving. And I've been to. Of the 11, I think I've been to like nine of the 11. Okay.

[B]

Is Thanksgiving a big holiday for your family also? Because you, as a Hebrew like myself, Christmas is a little underwhelming.

[A]

I mean, historically it was. My mom would do Thanksgiving for like 40 at my house. You know, we had growing up, like, not like a huge house, but like the biggest house for entertaining. And my mom.

[B]

40'S on a lot of people.

[A]

40'S a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. And we had, you know, we lived in a very Jewy neighborhood. So we had one of those like kosher ready kitchens where you have essentially two kitchens in the kitchen. So you know what I mean?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Have you ever been in a house that's like a conservative or orthodox Jew where they keep kosher? If it's a nice conservative, if it's a, you know, a fairly high end house, there will be two of everything.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Because they separate all this shit. So there's two, you know, two dishes.

[B]

Even the stove has separate milk and meat.

[A]

There were not necessarily two stoves because if you have a multi burner setup where they're spread, it's like. I don't remember the exact rules, but our. We lived in a fairly high end, but cookie cutter planned community. Like there were three copies of our house in the community, but it was Jew ready, Jew move in. All of them had the dual setups for kosher.

[B]

That was on the ads on the.

[A]

Bus for the realtor for kosher ready. So for us it only came into play during like parties where you, I mean, having two dishwashers if you're having a big party is fucking money. We were Talking about that, Ms. Pat.

[B]

I started listening to it.

[A]

Did you listen to it?

[B]

She has five, five dishwashers, five dishwashers, 13 bathrooms, 11 bedrooms, 15,000 square feet. And then she goes, and I didn't realize how much it would cost to have the lights on and stuff. And she's, I mean, hopefully she's joking that she's on a payment plan with the power company, but damn.

[A]

No, you've heard she. Yeah, I mean, she's probably not on a payment plan, but that's, you know, it's hilarious.

[B]

Yeah, it's, it's.

[A]

You hear about that with car, people who buy Bugattis and Then they go, right? The service is 25,000, like nine five nines. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, you know, my mom did Thanksgiving growing up, but after, I guess it was after like my, we moved out, me and Alexis moved out. My sister, they started doing the country club Thanksgiving, which is literally like the club they belong to. Which I'm not going to say what it is, but standard issue, Westchester, you know, county, New York Country Club. And they have the big Thanksgiving Day buffet and blah. So they've been doing that for. I did it a couple years, then I met Hannah. Then, you know, so it's that. But so I haven't been to my family's Thanksgiving in eight years.

[B]

But that's kind of nice because then then they're not cooking all this food and telling you that you aren't coming in.

[A]

No, they love it.

[B]

And your mom can't be like, I did all this work and their friends are probably there.

[A]

Well, by the way, it's still, it's 25. My mom still entertains. My parents still entertain the entire family. They just do it at the club.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So they have a table for 26 at the club. It's like a quarter of the people that are there is my family. And there. It's a three hour thing. It's just nobody has to make food or bring anything.

[B]

But I'm just saying it's probably great. Hopefully she doesn't, she can't guilt trip you as much for not attending because she's not like, I did all this.

[A]

Stuff to their credit. They've never guilt tripped me.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Having said that, I decided that this year I was gonna go and my mom was like, hannah's never come. Like, what can we do to like, so. And Hannah's family is like pretty rigid on this. And Hannah's been pretty. And I go, all right, well how's this gonna work? So I. So our Thanksgiving, the Farah Thanksgiving is gonna be a brunch, full three hour deal. Whole family agreed to do this to make it a brunch Thanksgiving from 11 to 2. I'm then gonna with Hannah hop in and from the club, gonna bring our shit. Cause we're flying to my parents house on Tuesday. Be there for two nights immediately from Thanksgiving dinner. We're going to take a two hour Uber to her family's house, which is on the southern shore of Long island, and dive right in. Right into second Thanksgiving to her family's Thanksgiving. Wow, that's wild. This is among the more hardcore things I have ever done.

[B]

You gotta sleep in the car life, dude. You get a chatty Uber driver.

[A]

This is terrible. And oh, by the way, Jillian's coming with us.

[B]

Okay. So you won't rest in the car. No, yeah. Jillian's so close.

[A]

Backstory. Jillian is my sister in law, the wife of my brother in law John, who passed away of leukemia. She is still very close with me and my wife. And she is aggressive. She's an aggressive personality. And so you can't just nap in a car that she's in.

[B]

Yeah, no, she has to talk. And if you're ready for it, she's super entertaining. Like arming one of our great friends. And if I'm ready for it, he's the most entertaining person to be around. But if I'm not, you gotta be on the end of the day.

[A]

I need earplugs. I mean, fortunately she'll be at the Thanksgiving too, so maybe the. Maybe the turkey will crash.

[B]

Tryptophan effect.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, now the good news is Hannah's parents, for the first time ever, who are older than my parents, are also not about cooking this year. So even though they've got like 19 people down there, they're getting Thanksgiving takeout from the local Jewish deli, which culinary wise for me is like super ideal. I could just like pick a little bit and have a small corned beef sandwich for dinner and be like, f. This is, this is great. You know, it's like not. There's no pressure to have an actual Thanksgiving dinner when it's just Jewish deli takeout. So. But this, that's gonna be, that's gonna be pretty intense. And then we're at her family's house for three days and we have no car. Yeah, that's gonna be, that's gonna be.

[B]

I was wondering about that. Like, couldn't you take the. Oh, Jillian, you can't take the Jaguar. Cause that's.

[A]

We won't be able. We wouldn't be able to take. Yeah. And because. And we're also. We're doing a new thing. So for anybody flying into jfk. Fuck. Prepare. Prepare for the apocalypse getting out of jfk. The last three times I've been there has taken over an hour to get like, to get like the shuttle to the wherever to get the thing to get. Whether it's that or an Uber, it's hours. It's horrible. So we're taking a layover in Minneapolis and flying to Westchester Airport, which is like five minutes from my parents house. So I'd rather have the hour layover in Minneapolis. So we're trying that as an experiment. And the two regional flights instead of the one. This is fucking genius. The two regionals instead of the one transcontinental on Thanksgiving, Much more likely to get upgrades. And we in fact got upgrades on both. So, like, yeah, hopefully we don't get totally fucked and stranded in Minneapolis. Aside from that.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

There's a risk. There's a risk associated with this plan.

[B]

I feel like you should borrow a car from your parents, though, and just. Instead of Ubering.

[A]

But I'm not going back.

[B]

Oh, you're flying back to the house.

[A]

That's the problem. I'm flying. I'm flying of Jifka. Yeah. Cause the problem is arriving at JFK not leaving Sunday morning, 6 o'.

[B]

Clock.

[A]

Leaving from JFK will be fine. It's the. Arriving at 3pm because even if you take the 6am at L. A, that's the 3pm arrival. Dude. That is the seventh circle of hell. JFK to Greenwich at 3pm Fuck that. It's terrible.

[B]

You need a boat. I'd be quicker.

[A]

I mean, that's one of those. I hate helicopters. But if they did a chopper, I bet it would be.

[B]

Is there not one? I feel like uber helicopter.

[A]

I mean, there's that blade shit that goes to Manhattan. I don't think they just fly you anywhere.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I mean, pick a service. One of them's crashed.

[B]

Yeah, there was one that crashed in Manhattan, but it was like. Yeah, it was one of those things where, like, the company had gone bankrupt but then sold to another one. But it was the same owners and, like, a lot of paperwork shuffling.

[A]

Boat would be tough because JFK is on the South Shore, and so you'd have to go around Brooklyn, up Manhattan, east river, and then out Long Island. That would not be particularly efficient. Anyway, well, inside baseball. Thanks.

[B]

Well, when you were.

[A]

That was fucking 15 minutes of radio.

[B]

I have a gift for you.

[A]

What? For driving for me.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Invest in stocks either. Drive your car. Driver. This is Vin and Ron.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, the driver's era. But like, we were just talking about that. Yes. I will confess that buying two of these license plates. I got one for myself. Also enters me to win Vin's E92 track car, which I am assured I will win. I'm assuring myself.

[A]

But if I put this on my car, I get one of those entries. No, I thought about that.

[B]

But I did use my own money, however. It's exactly what we were just speaking about.

[A]

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[B]

It's very hefty.

[A]

It's very hefty. And I don't, I don't really know what it took us to get it, but thank you to whoever was involved.

[B]

Scotto was on the committee, I guess.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which I did. I. I have no. I just, I have no clue who's on the judges thing. I have no idea. And then he replied to our Instagram like, you're welcome. I voted for you guys. Was this a center lock?

[A]

It's a, it's some kind of a wheel hub that might be a center lock nut and this is some kind of wheel hub thing. It's weird because at first it's like, this is a made up awards thing. Like, this is just a thing that's been made up and then. And then someone hands you a trophy and you go, I won.

[B]

Yeah. And they're all made up awards until they get their fifth year, their 10th year. You know, the Oscars had to have a first Oscars and it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Well, it is bullshit.

[B]

I do think it's cool, like to have it in LA because there's so many creators here. Yeah. And I think. Because I think SEMA has creator of the year, but I don't know if they have other creator, like awards stuff. This had a lot of categories, basically. I think SEMA is more focused on one thing.

[A]

Yeah. But you did a good job. That was a very, very difficult. That was among the harder gigs I've seen people take.

[B]

I mean, the venue for comedy was tough.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, it was in a tent, which, you know, would have been fine if the tent actually had walls.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It only had two of four walls. It was during a massive downpour and the walls were facing downtown Los Angeles. So there's fucking fire trucks and all kinds of shit going by. I mean, that's a tough, tough gig.

[B]

Yeah. I didn't realize till afterwards, talking to everybody that, you know, comedy club's like low ceiling. They're known for that. The laughs echo. This was like a 60 foot ceiling with all the sounds you talked about. And then off to the left, 30 people were at the bar. You had a corporate kid just chatting and it was exactly like that.

[A]

Like there was no way in which you were gonna crush. I think you did amazing.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Consider the delta. There was, it was. There was some really funny and you know, in typical Zach fashion, like sort of subtle jokes that I thought were really, really funny. And. And Hannah was like, oh, my God, he's killing. He. She said over and over, like, he's killing.

[B]

I couldn't hear. I heard one set of laughs in the entire, what, eight minutes? Because it was so loud.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like you could have shot someone and I wouldn't have heard it.

[A]

It was such a loud room. There was so many. I mean, it was fucking crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I hope that if they keep doing the thing and it becomes not a made up award show, that maybe they find somewhere a little quieter.

[B]

Move it inside.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think you got to like captive the audience more and just make sure everyone's sitting and paying attention a little bit instead of very least standing.

[A]

All four walls of the tent, bro. Like That's. I love Taro and I appreciate what they're doing. And, like, I think, you know, it's not normal for it to rain like that in la, but, like, God damn, that was rough.

[B]

Yeah. Well, if I could survive that, you know, then anything should be easy after that.

[A]

No, it's not. Yeah. No. And I mean, I think. I think the. The people who are sitting around me, who was like, people we know, you know, like local LA cats, we all thought it was great. I mean, we thought it was funny, but, man, just. We just. We heard the ambient noise of the room was like, 87 decibels.

[B]

Totally. What?

[A]

It was crazy.

[B]

I saw someone's iPhone recording, and it was after the fact, like, my adrenaline was going down and I could hear the noise and I went. Sounds like the static on a television. It's just the rain. I could not believe. I thought I was hearing, like, the heater for the building. And it was just the raindrops were huge. We don't get rain like that here a lot. We usually get drizzles, but this was like Florida, like, what.

[A]

It was an atmospheric river.

[B]

It was. Yeah. White noise. You could definitely fall asleep to that kind of rainstorm.

[A]

The Rivian was really good in the rain. I'll talk about the Rivian on the next show, but I think you did well. And, man, I think I have to respect Amelia. Our friend Amelia Hartford, who won, like.

[B]

Three or three things.

[A]

She got, like, Video of the Year, female Creator of the Year, and then Creative of the Year. Good for her. You know, we've been friends for, like, a really long time. I love Amelia, and I saw her and the boys, and she was like, I have to ask you something that's gonna make. You're gonna think I'm such a huge loser. And I go, I don't think you're a huge loser, but I cannot wait to hear what you ask me. She goes, I won those three categories, but I only got one trophy. She's like, really? Yeah. She said, apparently they. I don't know if. Whatever. Because they gave her Creator of the Year, they did not feel the need to give her more than one trophy. So she goes, can I borrow your trophy for a photo to look? And I go, sure. And she goes, you're friends with Scotto, right? And I go, yeah. She goes, can you ask him to borrow his trophy, too? And if you look at the series of photos, here's why she's Creator of the Year. I'm making a joke that she was even hilarious about. At the time. But, like, here's why she's creator of the year, because her photo set on Instagram from this, like, I think makes the thing look like it was a bigger, much more like, legit, established thing than, like, it, you know, really kind of was like. You know what I mean? Like, I think it's a good. It's like she's got her, like, glamorous prep shots, and then the thing, like, her. Her personal coverage of the event.

[B]

Her team.

[A]

Her team has done a really, like, a really good job making this thing look, like, super, super legit.

[B]

Secret is no wide shot of. Because, like, the screen, when I first got there, I went, oh, the screens are pretty big. But then it's not even as long as, like, a tractor trailer trailer. You know, it's a little bit smaller, and it's one of these, like, two screens pop out of one. And so it's, I don't know, 60ft wide total. And so that's the stage. The stage is 60ft wide, and there was, like, 200 chairs, I think. But if you did, like, a big wide shot, it might not look that huge.

[A]

But all her stuff is tight for folks. Like, this photo set here is, like, why she's better at doing the Internet than us.

[B]

Yeah, she's very good at it. I mean that in building the cars and all that stuff, she's very good at it.

[A]

Can you imagine if I had someone do, like, a photo set of me, like, getting ready for this event?

[B]

This is not.

[A]

You.

[B]

Even, like, I don't know how you were when I was getting ready for my wedding and the guy was like, all right, stand by the window. And, like, the pictures are good, but I felt so weird just posing for that stuff. It just felt so strange.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you ponder something outside while you're buttoning your shirt.

[B]

Definitely looks like I'm looking over a manor that I purchased.

[A]

That shit is mad lame. Those. Those. Those shots, we. We look. We glance over them once, and they're done. Yeah, the. But I mean, I'm proud of her. And she looked. And she looked great, and she was, you know, she does great work, which is why she's, you know, making all the money.

[B]

And I didn't watch Pike's Peak this year, but Zwart told me later that he was her coach. They never met, but she did the GT4 class or whatever, and she almost won her class.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he was like, no, she's fast. She almost kicked everybody's ass, by the way. And, like, Jeff Zwart's face lit up. He's like, I had never met her, but holy shit.

[A]

Yeah, she's quick.

[B]

She's very quick. And like, she's done a lot of driving.

[A]

Yeah. Good for her.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But the asking for the trophies for the photo is just like a very funny. Like, how do we.

[B]

It's hilarious that they didn't.

[A]

How do we cover this?

[B]

It's funny they didn't make one for each.

[A]

Also that. Yeah, they should have done that. They were like. Even if they were like, you know, what I would have done is make like little charms that hung off the main trophy or something if they didn't want to go and spring for other full size trophy. I don't know.

[B]

I don't know. Maybe they miscounted or something. I'm not sure.

[A]

Maybe someone stole her other trophies.

[B]

It's possible.

[A]

So we started a few minutes late today because I was at the mall with my wife. I got my eyebrows threaded for the first time. You ever do that shit?

[B]

I mean, I've had them plucked. I've never had them threaded.

[A]

I've seen the signs. I think it was like I got a facial and the women I've spoken to have oversold how painful a facial is. For me, a facial is not remotely painful. But for apparently some people it is. And I think they undersell how painful threading is. Threading feels a lot more like getting a tattoo than it does like, you know, anything else I've experienced.

[B]

Especially under here. These hurt.

[A]

It's not pleasant.

[B]

Closer to the eye, apparently the first.

[A]

Time you get it done, it hurts the most.

[B]

Oh, interesting. Yeah, because the boots are strong, because.

[A]

It'S bushy and they don't know what's wrong.

[B]

Your eyebrows do look manicured.

[A]

They look.

[B]

Do they buzz them down a little bit and they all sort them down? Yeah, they. Yeah, my barber does that. Sometimes they get unruly.

[A]

Well, Arab comes out in fun ways, you know.

[B]

Then I have. I have four units of Arab because I'll get these long, like fricking, you know, shrimp tentacles or whatever, like antennae.

[A]

It's also the Jew. Those are the Jewish space labels.

[B]

That's the 0.6% of my DNA that's actually Jewish.

[A]

Those are the horns they're talking about in the Bible.

[B]

They detect money, they detect opportunity.

[A]

Yeah. But Hannah wanted to continue her shopping and so I took a Waymo here from the mall, so that's why I was late. So Waymos are still guys. One more break today because support is coming in extra hot from Rula Taking care of your mental health shouldn't be harder than taking care of your physical health. But it is. If you pull a muscle, you go see a doctor. When it comes to finding the right therapist, it's so frustrating. There's wait lists or you're staring down huge out of pocket costs. And that's what usually stops people from getting the help they need. I go see, in fact, it's the same therapist I've been seeing for over 15 years. But if I had to start over today, I wouldn't know where to begin with traditional therapy. I would totally start with Rula. Because Rula makes therapy simple, affordable and fast. They work with most major insurance plans and the average session copay is just 15 bucks. That's basically the cost of lunch. But instead of a sandwich, you're investing in your own headspace. I every two weeks for the last 15 years, really take advantage of that one hour. And I talk to him about things I would not talk to people about, to others about, including my wife. And it helped me put things in perspective. It's helped me think about myself in new ways. It's helped me break down some ego things. And it's really, really, really helpful to all kinds of different people, not just people like me. But getting matched to the right person can be really hard. So with you're not just matched and left to figure it out. They check in and make sure you're actually making progress. All the therapists on the platform are licensed, vetted and picked for their expertise. So you know you're talking to someone legit, not just whoever happens to be available to get started. You just answer a few quick questions about what matters to you. And Rula connects you with in network providers who actually fit your needs. You pick the time and you could be talking to a therapist as soon as the next day. No weeks of waiting, no endless back and forths. So thousands of guys have already used Rula to finally get the care that they needed. So don't keep putting it off. Go to R U L A dot com TIRE and get started today. That's R U L A dot com tire. Take the first step, get connected and take control of your mental health. And now back to the program. They're fucking bad at parking lots. Like they're just, they're bad at parking lot, especially a mall parking lot on a weekend in November.

[B]

Well, they probably go really slowly.

[A]

They are cautious, fucking passive. Yeah, they're so passive. Anyone exhibiting any amount of, you know, assertiveness in their car, the waymo will just wait for you indefinitely. When it was waiting for me, it waited for. It was. It pulled over on the opposite side of the street in the parking lot, street that I was standing on. And it was there. It hadn't stopped for five seconds. It stopped in a weird place. It didn't pull over in like the loading zone. It just stopped. This lady starts honking at it like it's a fucking Waymo, dude. You're not. There's no person there to hear you honking, lady. But it could have. If it was a human in a taxi, the human would have not stopped there. But if it had, if they had, they would have just made a U turn to the left. There's plenty of room plus the actual loading zone on the opposite side. U turn to the left, back out the way they came. So I go walk across the street, get in the waymo. It then has to make three rights through the parking lot to go. It will not make like a U turn or anything like that. So it's just waiting for everybody. So Pete Carr's backing out, car's trying to ding this F150 makes a wide turn and it just like sits there, stops and waits for the F150 to do anything. That's gonna be that to me shows.

[B]

That could kill your time, right?

[A]

It did. It doubled the time I was gonna take to get here. And that doesn't mean like self driving cars aren't like a miracle of, of modern engineering. Like they are like it was safe, you know, it didn't actually hit anything. It navigated, albeit very, very conservatively, a complex driving situation safely. But like also like it's without like a hard pin of like this is the loading zone, which for some reason there just isn't. It's gonna be a mess intermixing with human drivers and there's still just like really, really. It just proves that there's no one size fits all. If you wanna solve traffic. AVs, ain't it? Mass transit, is it. If you wanna have, if you wanna improve road safety in certain types of situations, particularly highways. AVs definitely. If you want to have an efficient taxi service. Like there's a lot that people can do fucking a computer. You can't talk to, you know.

[B]

Well, it's interesting you bring that up because I was walking the dog a few days ago and a Waymo pulled up there in my neighborhood a lot, but it pulled in front of a driveway to wait for someone. And in this driveway was one of those ones that goes down into an apartment building. So it's got like the gate, it's like below grade. Exactly below a below ground level apartment parking lot. And about six seconds before the Waymo stopped there, a gentleman, his Honda Civic had pulled up onto the driveway to go to work. The gate had closed behind him. And then the Waymo pulled up in front of him and blocked him. And blocked him. And because there's no one to talk to, he honked and the car didn't move. And he looks at me. I start laughing. I just start laughing because I'm like, this is a hilarious predicament. And Robocar is like, this is very funny. And the guy gets out and like walks up to the car and just. He was perplexed. He's like, I have no way to communicate that this is a thing that's happening.

[A]

I've seen on most of them on the, quote, driver's door. The best way to describe the door. And there is a steering wheel there. There's like a QR code that says, is there a problem officer with a QR code?

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

So, like, if it gets pulled over, that like, I guess directs you to the Waymo customer service.

[B]

So I guess what happens?

[A]

Something, something.

[B]

What happens if a normie calls it?

[A]

I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I'm not sure what would happen. I don't know how you have a complaint from outside the Waymo, but, like, that's probably a thing to learn.

[B]

I also saw one backing up in traffic the other day, but I think it had stopped for some reason. It had stopped on the crosswalk and I arrived after the light had turned red. But all of a sudden I see a Waymo with its reverse lights on. I was like, what is happening? And it would just. It backed up into a slot that was available because it was encroaching on the crosswalk and then went back into drive. It's like there.

[A]

I mean, there are certain things they do that are like, you know, you want them to do. Like you don't want them to stop in a crosswalk. You don't. You want them to be pretty by the book in a lot of. I want them to come to full stops, even if that makes them not feel human. Like, you just want that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But like, you. I don't think you want. I don't know if it's a technical limitation or a rule that Alp, Google or whoever has set for these cars to, like, not make a U turn in a parking lot, for instance. Like, I would like them to be able to make those choices that like a rational human would make. Yeah, that may be too much to ask. I'm not really sure. But like that getting in and out of the parking lots is pretty goddamn silly. And the fact that it won't pull into our driveway here is fine. But like, I now have a move so as it. Because, you know, drops me off in the back by the garbage, right. I now have to be ready to hit the pull over button. If I hit the pull over button right when I'm about to pass the front door, then it turns the corner and stops right at the corner instead of going around back by the trash. Yeah, that's a much better solution. I wonder, about halfway to where I really want to be dropped off, what.

[B]

If you entered, you know, the address of whatever that business is on the corner? If you enter that address, would it drop you right in the spot?

[A]

It might do that. It's possible it would do that. Yeah.

[B]

But otherwise it drops you where the raccoons live.

[A]

Yeah. And more importantly, there isn't a. For me, there isn't a door on the backside of the building that's unlockable from the outside. Right. So even with my keys, I have to walk around the whole block to get to the other side of the building. It's fucking stupid, but that's a little inconvenience for me. But as an example of something that could. If you're, you know, the kind of person who's taking a waymo because they fear being assaulted by a taxi or rideshare driver and it drops you off.

[B]

In the shadiest place in an alley where people are like, burning things in barrels.

[A]

Yeah, like cooking meth and shit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, that hasn't really solved your problem.

[B]

Well, Merry Christmas to us.

[A]

They're delivering girls now too.

[B]

You got your eyebrows threaded, didn't you?

[A]

That's essentially the Uber eats for ra, which is not a joke you should laugh at. Although maybe I just gotta make enough.

[B]

To cut that word from the Beep it out.

[A]

You have to beep it out. Okay. Yeah, you can't. You can't use that word. Okay, so we won't use that anymore. I don't know how. I don't know how you can. It may be one of those super slippery slopes where if like, they. They make it okay for who's to make u turns in parking lots, it.

[B]

Could end up with like, I'm sure they'll graduate there. Remember I told you I was in traffic and one did a. A left hand U turn across two lanes in front of me. There's like a gap in traffic and I went, wow. That was shocked.

[A]

I've seen it make U turns on regular on public roads before. It's strange. You can't do it in a parking lot.

[B]

I guess it doesn't want a three point turn. I don't know. They'll get there. Yeah, they have a Waymo. I went to the Peterson yesterday and they have a whole Waymo exhibit of like the timeline. And here's how it began. And it shows what the radar is scanning and lidar scanning and stuff. And it's cool. It's cool to see. Like here's what the computer sees. But there was no timeline for U turns in parking lots. Not yet, no.

[A]

And was there. And there was no memorial for KitKat?

[B]

No. Yeah, you know, it was cool. There was a. They have an art installation from someone. I don't know who it is, but artist called Mr. Brainwash. But it was very.

[A]

You know who Mr. Brainwash is? You never seen Exit through the Gift Shop?

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh, you should see it.

[B]

I thought that was a Banksy thing.

[A]

It is, but also it's not like, like it's actually about this guy who becomes Mr. Brainwash.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Sort of in the movie. While sort of also the movie is about Banksy. It's almost kind of about the title. Exit through the Gift Shop just like implies, basically you could really commercialize this shit. And Mr. Brainwash is an excellent example of the commercialization of. Of that type of Banksy esque art.

[B]

Gotcha. Okay.

[A]

It's a very interesting movie.

[B]

Okay. I mean, I've heard it. I know the name.

[A]

Yeah. It's worth 90 minutes of your time. Sorry.

[B]

His art installation is very cool and he did. And I don't know if he hand painted these things or if it's like the Banksy thing of mishmash or not. Him. Who am I thinking of?

[A]

Alec? Monopoly? The collage.

[B]

Yeah, collage guy. But it was like old timey Victorian paintings and paintings from pioneer time and stuff. But they're all like, like, you know those guys, like old Victorian guy with a big thing on his neck but he's reading Cars for Dummies that was hand painted in there and shit like that. And like a New York taxi out in the middle of a pasture. In the 1800s there were like 30 of these things and I just thought they were really. Some of them really made me laugh. Like a very.

[A]

Check that out.

[B]

Royally dressed, like clearly a king from the 1400s. But then wearing Max Verstappen's helmet.

[A]

Oh, that's kind of cool.

[B]

Hand painted. Yeah, it was, it was really cool.

[A]

Mr. Brainwash is one of those guys that now has like a team of. Of artists working for him.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

So they. The amount of content that is churned out physical art under the Mr. Brainwash name is a lot. And you go, how the fuck could one guy. It's because in Exit through the Gift Shop, he's directing like 50 people. He has like that movie at the end. It culminates with plot spoiler. It's a documentary with a big warehouse show. He's just like filling the warehouse with stuff and it takes all these people and he's sort of directing people where to put shit. But you're like, wait, wait, is he even making any of this? What is he doing?

[B]

Yeah, I saw another. I think it was like a vice doc. But it's like the famous artist got famous for their work and now they are directing people like, okay, take a picture of a light bulb from the 50s, but screen printed over this thing and they just have someone else do the actual work.

[A]

That's who else. Dale Chihuly, the famous glassblower guy. He did way back in the day do his own glassblowing. But he's now, now he's this. He oversees, you know, whatever. 50 people that do the. It's a. The hoochahooly style or whatever.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But he gets like all the credit for it. Even though it's like mad other people doing it. Oh yeah, cars are beautiful.

[B]

Mr. Brainwash at the Peterson, I recommend it.

[A]

That's the guy on the right. His name is Terry. His real name is Terry Gotcha. Terry Guetta. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you definitely. Wow. It's amazing. He really hasn't aged much since that Exit to the Gift Shop movie. Oh, that's probably cool. I like the Giant little Tykes Cozy Coupe.

[B]

We got a picture in that, which is fun, but yeah, you can.

[A]

Did you have a little Tykes Cozy Coupe when you were a kid?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

You know, it's the best selling car in history.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow, that's cool. They had a lot of stuff. Yeah, Ferrari with horses and stuff.

[A]

It's fun. I mean, I hope somebody painted that.

[B]

That.

[A]

I like the whatever. The being inside the Vincent Van Go House thing, that was rad.

[B]

It was like, if you stand back, it looks like a 2. It was painted after, you know, Vincent Van Go, like Scream style. And if you step way back, it's like, looks Two dimensional. You get closer and you're. And it has a sign like you can go in here, you can sit on the bed. So of course Sarah's stepdad did. Cuz his, his love of cars, it goes beyond you and mine.

[A]

Oh yeah. And you took him for a ride in the Revology muscle. Did he enjoy that?

[B]

He did. He. And he's, he's good. He's like us. He points out little things like how come they have these window switches. And I like was like, well, because they want the driver to be able to roll down the windows on the passenger side if they're alone. But they do look cheap.

[A]

Did you see the. You haven't looked at the new one yet, but the new dash, the new interior.

[B]

No, I have. It looks great. That's the one you choose the new.

[A]

Yeah, they've re engineered that. I appreciate that those guys are doing like updates to these cars. And the newest generation, like interior looks really nice.

[B]

Looks really great. And gauges are great in the way it activates everything, everything works. That car is fast. Like even with the auto, I mean it's like 500 horsepower.

[A]

Yeah. And 3,3200 pounds or something. Yeah, Rip.

[B]

It rips. And you know what? It doesn't feel like Mustang horsepower because it's light and actually kind of stiff. Like too stiff for la. And I jumped on it and I just went, okay. We are climbing through the dial, right? Yeah.

[A]

They go. That orange car that we're gonna drive for the video that's downstairs is a fucking heavy boy. That thing's got big power manual. It's the 429, boss. It's legit.

[B]

Yeah, they're. They're fun man.

[A]

Yeah, Peterson's good.

[B]

Peterson was good. It's very fun.

[A]

Superb. I'm out of things on my list, I'm sorry to say. Oh, I did. Well, I did just hit this morning. I hit 7,000 miles in the Spider.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Which is nice. On the, on the way back from Malibu, I hit. So that car has been. That car's been ace the, you know, the, I mean, you know, knock wood, whatever. But like did the break in run it in? Like it just works actually as like it's supposed to. I mean the only, only downside about that, the whole engine, gearbox, everything package is like the clutch is kind of heavy. So you don't really want to sit in too much traffic with it. That gets, that gets tiring quickly. But outside of that, what a fucking great car that is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No regrets on that one. That thing is I should. I should do a road trip to somewhere in that car. That's really what it's. It's actually better for that than anything else really.

[B]

You could drive it to the ice Fat Ice race, whatever it's called.

[A]

I could do that.

[B]

Pretty cool. And it's. I mean, top down, like with, with bundled up. The pictures would be rad and that.

[A]

Kind of noise would be fun, huh?

[B]

You just need like winter tires for it.

[A]

Yeah. I was supposed to take the Manx for that, but.

[B]

Oh, that's right. Maybe next. Do the Manx this year.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then do that spider next year.

[A]

Something worth doing. That's a. That's road trippy in that thing. Deserves to have more miles on it, I think. Because I'm not. That's not a. That's not a car I'm getting tired of anytime soon.

[B]

Well, if. Would you be able to take it on a future road and track thing like the California ones?

[A]

I could.

[B]

They want you to be in new cars.

[A]

That doesn't make a difference. If I said I to want. Wanted to drive my own car, I could, I could do the Arizona one in, In April that we're going to. But it's a fun opportunity to like try new cars on those. But I may, maybe. I don't know. That's work. Driving those, driving on those. It's different. It's not. That's not how I want to enjoy it would be more like taking it on one of the scouts than taking it on, you know, the actual, the actual full trip because, like especially shifting because I got to do radio and stuff. You really don't want a stick shift car for that gig. Having to. Having to have a free hand. I'm already driving one handed like 90% of the time. Yeah. Anyway, do we have things from the people? Should we talk to them? Of course. The patrons [e-mail] thesmokentyre y' all keep the ship moving down the river. The patrons are incredibly important to this show and I am very thankful for them this Thanksgiving because the ad sales business isn't great and you guys are really keeping it moving. And of course, if you want to become a patron and support your favorite podcast and help us keep on keeping on, then the way to do it is at patreon.com thesmokingtitle podcast. You can get the show live. You can ask questions for the show. You can get the show the same day it's recorded. You don't have to wait till Tuesday or Thursday. You can get the show without ads. You can get extra show and you can get early and exclusive access to collabs and things such as my notice canyon range of watches, which I think only the blue is the blue. The only. I think only the dark blue canyon was the one to make it out of the Patreon. I think the patron snapped up every single. Oh, there might have been a couple of oranges outside the Patreon too, because we made twice as many of those. But certainly the mint, the green, the pearl did not make it out of. Should we announce. I guess we can announce this.

[B]

They're all sold out now.

[A]

They're all sold out now. Yeah, there's nothing left. The next color, which will be available in March will be. And this one really will be the final color, but I'm not writing that on the case back this time will be frozen berry metallic shocker with gold hour markers and gold hands. Just like the. Do you have the website still up? No, just like the green. The green had the gilt gold hands and hour markers. This is gonna have that, but it's gonna be a little darker like my car. But it's going to be the frozen berry metallic version of the watch. It will be the last one and it's because it's pink. It's going to come with his and hers straps. So you can share it with your smaller wristed partner if they happen or gift it to them. I had two people when I told them it was gonna be that color, they already owned multiple other colors of the canyon and said, oh, I'm gonna. Great, I'm gonna get that one for my girl. Which like, fine, do that.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

So that's gonna be the color. Do not email me asking about ordering them yet because we're talking about March here. It's four months. Save you pennies. And of course, if you own all five other colors, you can have a guaranteed allocation. That's the rule. We support the people who support us. And patrons will get first access 100 units outside of that. So let's get to the Covestions. Can you make that bigger, please?

[B]

Even bigger.

[A]

I know, right? 7 Mary335I now that is very good. Oh, and speaking of 90s bands, so our friend Christian Hand has booked a gig doing his show on the I love the 90s cruise, which is in January and Hannah and I are. It's also Christian's birthday is on the cruise and so there's some real bands that are on the show. I think Sponge is on the gig. I forget who else is on it, but it actually seems really fun. It's going out of Fort Lauderdale, which means we could go visit Mahdi the shaman and go iguana hunting on the way in or out. Is this it? Yeah. On the celebrity constellation. I'm not. I'm not. I might literally go. Go and have fun on this. I've never. I haven't done a cruise in a really long time. This seems like kind of a good time. And it's Christian's birthday.

[B]

Yeah. Why wouldn't you go? If you can, if you make the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You should totally do it.

[A]

Yeah. And plus we are due for iguana hunting. Excuse me, Conservation iguana.

[B]

They are an invasive species. True.

[A]

We must conserve them. So anyway, Christian's booked this gig if you want to go see Christian do shows five or five nights in a row and a bunch of other bands with probably what is now a whole bunch of Gen X and millennials. So yeah, seems. I mean, look, it seems all right.

[B]

It seems like a decent goal is to be fun and I think it will be.

[A]

I might want to. I might want to fuck with that. Let's go back to the people. Thank you. 7 Mary335 is for reminding me of that. What car? What was a new car that came out when you were in high school that made the biggest impression? Mine was the 300 ZX Twin Turbo, which I was able to buy after years of looking for a new one. I mean, dude, I had a prime years. Dude. I had 97 to 2000 was my high school. So I mean you've got the NSX and I've got the 05. You've got. I mean a lot of those Japanese cars were really at their peak right about then, the Supras and I mean there was a couple of like really rich kids in my high school. One had. One had a Supra brand new at the time. There was a kid with an Eclipse GSX. Brand new. Lot of kids got S4s. We talked about the Audi S4s. So maybe the biggest. The S4 has made a big impression because everybody crashed them.

[B]

It's too fast and they understeered too fast.

[A]

Handled like shit. Every single one of my friends that got one crashed into a stationary object.

[B]

I think the German cars that all my hot rod friends migrated away from hot rods to cars that turn and they all went Volkswagen. And that made the biggest impression just cause it taught me that that's what cars could do. I think when new cars were Coming out, I'd read the magazines, but I wasn't hooked on any of them because they seemed too out of reach. So I was like, oh, new Lamborghini SV or 3000 GT or whatever, like, cool. But I don't see many of them, and I can't buy one. It was just the exposure to, like, a different kind of driving that landed the most.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, really, it wasn't for me, it wasn't high school. It was the Countach from when I was a kid and that, you know, that really did it, but. Zoomie54, how do you decide between consolidating upward and a variety of experiences with always the right tool for the job? That's a good question. I mean, and it heavily depends on your space, your funds, your time, you know, and what is going on in the rest of your life. Like, whatever your hobby is, it shouldn't be. If it's collecting stuff like cars or watches or whatever, it shouldn't, like, fuck up the rest of your life. And it should stop feeling like work.

[B]

Right. And if you're not participating in those hobbies for a long time, you know, if you go in your garage and there's five different active equipment for five activities, you're like, man, I haven't done any of this in eight months.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Would getting rid of some of those allow you to focus on one and clear out some clutter? Mental clutter. Save money, whatever it is.

[A]

Yeah. Like with watches in particular, and maybe with cars, it's a. It can happen with cars for sure. If you start earning some money and you buy a bunch of cheap cars and you go, I've got five. Not beaters, but five. Whatever. I've got an E30. I've got a Miata. I've got this. I've got an frs, I've got this. And you go, I could sell all of these and I could have1awesome911 or something like that. Usually you hit a wall and go, I have too many things, not enough time. And I'd like to free up some time by having fewer things that are nicer, which is a totally. This happens at all levels of collecting of anything. Like, a lot I ended up buying. You know, there's so often when you collect stuff that there's opportunity. Like, I go to, like, a watch like that, the Intersect Watch show. I'm there. There's all this cool stuff. I'm meeting the guys who are the founders of these watch companies, and I buy a watch that's cool, but, like, kind Of a novelty. You know you buy your somewhere else and you get a watch that's like cool and a novelty. Like got into custom Seikos for a little while. So I got like six of them because they're relatively affordable and you could, you could scratch that itch for not much money, that kind of thing. At a certain point you go I need, I don't need. I don't need six of these. I could have one custom Seiko, the one I wear the most, move the rest on and get one thing I really want. Yeah same with cars space and time. You know Lando Norris's Warren Plank.

[B]

I like this.

[A]

Fuck, marry, kill. Now this is written as going to Dakar, Pikes Peak or Le Mans.

[B]

I think attending the.

[A]

That means attending.

[B]

Yes. Which changes this a lot. Like I would marry Pikes Peak because like it's easy to watch.

[A]

Accessible.

[B]

Accessible. It's in a pretty place. I think. I think I would fuck. I'd fucked a car once.

[A]

I think because how that game works. What's once right.

[B]

And it's like I. It'd be so hard to see it. You got to watch like hopefully there's Internet to watch the coverage but I'm out in an amazing place place but it'll be difficult.

[A]

The out of here.

[B]

That's why I do it once go in. Here's why. Cuz la. I've been to the LA and every time I watch even the coverage of it isn't great on the screens. Cuz they don't have all the cameras like F1.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I get it, it's important and stuff but I, I don't want to attend it and stay up all night and wander like I just don't want to do that anymore.

[A]

Watching racing in person stinks for most.

[B]

Racing forms of racing. Yes.

[A]

If Indy 500 or Daytona 500. I totally get it. Short track racing. I get it. Top fuel drag racing. Number one. Must see motorsport experience in my life. You're fucking right there. It kicks you in the chest like a horse. When that motherfucker goes by. You have to see that in person. It's amazing. Rally the fuck out of here, I think.

[B]

You know what would be fun about Dakar? I bet if you traveled with the circus because you'd be the only spectator. You could go to the pits and see everything happening. Whereas Le Mans, unless you buy the pit pass which will be expensive then you're just in the woods with a bunch of like drunk fritter dudes and German people and like that's fun, but I don't really drink that much anymore.

[A]

You could show up and be hanging out with them guys if you just get yourself there.

[B]

That's what I'd rather do. That. That's more.

[A]

Rally is the. In terms of driver interaction, rally is by far the most accessible. You're already in the woods, right? No, you don't need a ticket.

[B]

That's your ticket.

[A]

You're in the woods. Drivers are in the woods. We're all in the woods. Like that's it.

[B]

They'll think you're crazy. Like you traveled here to not drive or compete. You're just standing on each sand dune each day to watch us. Wrench.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[B]

Like they lock the doors for sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's great.

[A]

You just have to not be linger longer.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know?

[B]

Yeah. Don't make it weird.

[A]

Edward M340 hands. I want a small to mid size SUV for my wife. You've mentioned the Acura RDX in the past. It would not be garage. So no electric or plug in. High hybrid. Anything else?

[B]

Cx50.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Mazda stuff is fun to drive.

[A]

Yeah. I mean if you want to talk about fun to drive crossovers, like almost all of them are going to be German and expensive. There's not a lot that is you. You really have a Mazda and you have an Acura.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Those are pretty much your choices.

[B]

The CR V is not fun. Neither is the RAV4.

[A]

And none of the Toyotas are fun. Right? Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's pretty much H town till I drown. Would love to see a pod talking about how true car stereotypes are. I mean they come from somewhere, but they don't. Like they're not universally true, of course. I mean other than people with SVJs. Can't help but rev them all the time.

[B]

But.

[A]

I don't think that many of them are actually that true. I think they're just publicly more visible because I think when someone owns a car that fits into the stereotype, people use it to reinforce. More so than when someone who's outside the stereotype use it to individualize because.

[B]

Their brain is primed for that stereotype. So they see confirmation. But when they see something that disproves it, they probably don't remember it or latch onto it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like I don't know many dentists and I know I see a lot of people driving 911s.

[A]

Right.

[B]

A lot of people at cars and coffee have 9 11s. Most of them are not dentists.

[A]

No, that goes back to like literally the 80s. The 70s and 80s was the dentist, 911 thing. Nobody. Dentists don't drive that shit anymore. That's not how that works. Elderly woman behind the parts counter in a small town. I like that. Do you know the breeds of any of your cats? And what's the coolest? I mean, yes, but three of the four are just variations on American short hair. Cricket, Finn and Nikki are all American short hair. Finn's a tabby, Nikki's a gray, a gray peach crossed with a tabby, and Cricket's a tuxedo. But those are all just American short hairs, different colors. Monty is a snowshoe, which actually is a different breed and he's weird as fuck, but he has blue eyes, which is really unique and cool. Yeah, Monty's turned out to be a great cat. I blow horns. What do restomod companies consistently get wrong? Or are there any features, tech or attributes that you'd like to see that aren't in the high end restomod market?

[B]

I think what a lot of them are getting wrong is too much horsepower. And I mean mostly Gunther, because their cars do a lot of other things well and that has become their calling card to a degree. But I think most owners can't handle that power, don't need it. There's plenty of fun to be had at lower power levels and especially with like pro Touring builds. Once that got really took off, it was LS plus Turbo, LS plus supercharger because you need to get that headline and have more power than the other guy making a resto mod. And now everyone has a 900 horsepower Chevelle. That's terrifying just to say you have an LSA that's boosted.

[A]

Yeah, I think there are a lot of companies that can put a lot of money into chassis and engine work and then cheap out on the things that you touch and use. Sometimes not so much that it's cheap. Cheap, but they'll use the same kind of parts, bin buttons and switches and stuff. And it can take away from. You could spend all this money on R and D, the chassis and whatever, but if you're using like cheap flimsy buttons and switches, it's sort of like.

[B]

Really, it takes you out of the dream state that you're in for a minute.

[A]

Yeah, I think there's a lot of companies that try to use push button keyless start on a lot of particularly American cars and it doesn't work that well. I can't tell you the number of Broncos that customers have kept with us with a shitty, shitty push button. Just put a fucking key, man. Like it's an old car. Like we're not. It's not. We don't need that in this car. Whatever. What? Honestly, whatever Revology is using it seems to work okay. I've had no issues with them. But like Broncos that were built five, six years ago and have these push buttons were trash. Like it was even John Warren. His shit's 350 grand. They're using keys. Like, just the key is fine. I blow horn. Should chevy add a C8 to the lineup with a Z06 engine and the E Ray front axle as opposed to what they're doing upcoming with the ZR1 engine and the E Ray front axle? I think it's the kind of thing they could do easily. But I don't think I would like it if the E Ray just had the Z06 engine, to be honest with you. I think the E Ray paired with the Stingray engine is kind of boring. It's a little bit boring. And I think that the E ray with the Z06 engine. Excuse me, the electric front drive axle with the Z06 engine. Engine should just be the E Ray and they should ditch the Stingray powered era. I don't even think it's selling very well.

[B]

I was trying. That's why I was trying to Google numbers. I can't find any quickly, but they should.

[A]

I think they should just do that. Like maybe there will be a facelift. You know where they. Where they do that. But that's what I would have done. Okay, David Twig.

[B]

That one's funny.

[A]

David Twig. The pink one in the stink is kind of funny. What is the best money you've ever spent? My two were hiring professional movers and hiring a diminished value guy who got me additional money on my totaled Tesla. What is the best money you've ever spent? Wow.

[B]

The best money you ever spent on anything besides an engagement ring for our fiances, of course. And the marriage that followed.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That was just required.

[A]

I mean, I got a couple. I've got. I mean, if you're talking about a consumer product, my Vespa. My green Vespa is easily the best consumer product I've ever purchased. It does everything I ask of it and it never gives me the least bit of fucking headache at the other end. And it costs me nothing to own, nothing to use. Adds practicality to my life. And I could turn around and sell it at a profit now. And that was not my intention ever in owning it. It's just delight. All Around. So that's the best consumer product I've ever had. And the other is like almost always lawyers. You don't fucking want a lawyer. But if you need one, it's probably money well spent.

[B]

That's true. Yeah. I mean, hiring a real accountant was very, very helpful. And it literally returned money to me, which was great. And also just offloading that, like, the stress every year. I did my own taxes for like 10 years.

[A]

And now that you mentioned it. Find my financial advisors. My financial advisors. Yeah. Charge. Charge me a flat fee every year. And they earn me many multiples of what they charge of what they charge me.

[B]

Yeah. You want fee based, not commission based?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I think. I think movers, as an adult, when you cross that huge, do that every time.

[A]

Movers is a. I mean, I agree with hiring movers. They are worth every penny. But that wouldn't even crack my top, you know, thing. Look, I solve problems with money where I can. I would much rather work a little harder at my own job and earn a little more money to pay a talented professional to do a great many things in my life. That's just how I roll. So there's a lot of things that are worth every penny. A great chef's knife, it doesn't, you know, it doesn't need to be $500, but like having one really good chef's knife worth every penny.

[B]

And sharpening it, like I bought a sharpening block and I sharpen all of our shit. And that makes cooking easier across the board.

[A]

Yeah. Kim Jong, vroom. That's pretty funny. About to take advantage. I'm about to take delivery of my new M3. Congratulations. Question is, out of every single M3 you've driven so far, what generation is your favorite? And apart, is there any. And what car out there would you consider a worthy competitor? The E46 is my favorite.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, it is. I was running through all of them. Like, the E90 sounds great, but it feels big. It is big. The E46 is a great size, but it still holds a lot of shit.

[A]

Yeah. And that E46 is my favorite. And my second favorite is the F80 sedan.

[B]

That was a great car.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The only reason I don't. I didn't choose it is because I don't like the turbo engine as much because it was early BMW turbo and it was all torque from zero, basically.

[A]

But I like it.

[B]

Really good car.

[A]

I like the steering a lot. I like the interior, the styling. I like that. I like that one a lot. And is there any car out there that's a worthy competitor. I mean, sure, some of the C63s are, particularly the later cars.

[B]

Yes. Like the carbon one. We got that generation once. Everything went Turbo and the C63 got a really good transmission. Then he went, well, now it's like, how much noise do you want? They're both really close.

[A]

None of the Audis really got that close. I think the S4 and RS4, if you were talking about highway cars, probably were close, but not on a track. No Giulia quad. Kinda.

[B]

I was gonna say Evo 10 was closer because it was a sedan that was really fast on track. It's just not as nice.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I think. I think there's other. There's electric cars that are actually closer to what an M3 does well than Chevy SS.

[B]

It's a little big. Yeah.

[A]

Grilled tale of the dragon. All right, wait. Holy shit. Okay, I just picked up a Focus rs. Are there any advice for worthwhile mods? I mean, so, I mean, as you know, I did not like my Focus rs. So if you want me. Okay. KW DDC coilovers, minus one on the wheels, a little extra sidewall, and then the Mountoon Stage 3 kit. Now if you do all those things, you're probably talking 12,000 to $15,000. But like, that's how you fix one kind of.

[B]

And possibly different seats, depending on your height.

[A]

I mean, for sure, if you can. Different seats. Matt's missing countach part. How frequently do you suggest that a car not being driven in the winter should be started and warmed up to operating temperature to keep the engine good shape till spring? I'd say once a month should do it. You can also, like, you can prep a car for winter and you can make it ready to sit. So it can sit all winter if you want. If you really top off, you know, you put some fuel stabilizer in it and then drive it around for 20 minutes and then, you know, really top off the fuel and, you know, you can put. Do an oil change so the oil that's in there is topped off and clean. Like you can do that stuff if you want.

[B]

Do you need to put it on like jack stands so the wheels don't. The tires don't get pressed into a square or not really.

[A]

It. If you're like hardcore, you could. I wouldn't. I probably wouldn't for like a couple of months. For maybe like six months or more. I might. They make these really dorky tire pillows too. They're always trying to sell me those here. And I'M like, we just move the cars around, man. We shuffle the cars and they're. And they're like, oh, like that. They're like, but you need these. You're storing all these cars. I'm like, I move them. That's part of what these guys in the blue shirts do every day. Like, oh. So I mean, yeah, I mean, once a month should do it. And that's if it's a modern car. You probably don't even have to do that. But if you want to be good, once a month, little fuel stabilizer and then you're good to go. Battery tender for sure.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Alice. Mini Cooper. All right. New member. I visited Pebble Beach F1. Been to 13 IMSA races in IndyCar. What other automotive events in the US are worth traveling to?

[B]

Stadium super trucks.

[A]

Yeah. Daytona Black Bike Week. Definitely.

[B]

Must see a rallycross event. Actually, that's gone right now, I think. Nitro Rally. Nitro Rally Cross closed.

[A]

The Daytona 500 is worth seeing. I mean, if you really care about it. The 24 hours of Daytona has its charms. If you can, you know, find a place to stay warm and dry.

[B]

If you can stay there all night. You mean like.

[A]

Yeah, infield, like our. If you can RV it or, you know, whatever. Some type of comfortable van camping, then it's. Then it's pretty cool. Same with Sebring. Sebring is a shit show and it's a very interesting one.

[B]

So I would start chasing driving events like do a lemons race or do a rallycross thing or do a school. You know, from a spectator perspective. I think so many of these things are worth watching online or on tv. You know, going to rally is cool maybe once like 100 acre wood, but. But again, you could watch it on YouTube later and get more coverage. You've kind of been to the big ones. Oh, Monster Jam.

[A]

Monster Jam is fun. Touring. They'll come to you.

[B]

20 bucks. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, they'll come to you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'll repeat my Top fuel drag racing. And you can see that a lot of places you don't even have to travel very far for that. There's like, there's concourses and things you can go to. I mean, I guess you should. Should. I think. I think Vegas F1 is pretty. Seems pretty fun. Honestly, I don't know about this one. So this is a good question for which I don't have Elon Musk hiling a robo taxi. We have coupes, sedans, crossovers, shooting brakes, etc. If you were designing new automotive category what would it look like and what features would it have? I'm not sure there's a category that I could invent that's really a good one. I mean I would like to see the, the return of the compact truck which basically doesn't really exist right now.

[B]

But that's tough because we've. Yeah, we have like we've had. I do, I appreciate when there's those concept designs and they've been out since the 50s of like the robo car where everyone can sit and face each other.

[A]

Yeah, it's like a dining room table with wheels.

[B]

That's pretty rad.

[A]

Yeah. Crash.

[B]

The crash standards will be weird. Like if I'm in an angle facing you and we hit something behind me, am I going to twist and twist my spine off? Probably.

[A]

I can't really think of an all new automotive category like Shape.

[B]

George Barris did a lot of them. You know people like that. I don't know.

[A]

I don't even know. No idea.

[B]

That.

[A]

Next question. Don't know whether I'm the. Okay, wait, can you scroll down? Okay. I don't know whether I'm the Boxster or the Jag. I currently have a 400 horsepower Honda S2000 and a Honda BMW Beat. I'm not a Honda guy. I just happened into those cars. Now that you said the NSX doesn't do anything more than the Spider. Would you still prefer an NSX over a. The modern equivalent of an Evora GT for roughly the same price? It depends. I mean depends. I mean the dynamics of the Lotus are better, but I mean, look, I'm about to turn a profit on the nsx. Nobody makes a profit on an Evora gt.

[B]

No, a friend of mine just sold his and I think he lost 20 over two years.

[A]

So the Evora GTs are great if you want to beat the shit out of it for like 15 years. Because they have a floor, right? There's a, there's a. If you have an uncrashed Lotus, there is a floor. So once you hit that floor, you're there forever. But I mean NSX is, are a well kept. NSX is an appreciating investment. That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to cloud, it's going to cloud your, your judgment. So what the is that?

[B]

You hear that an alarm is going off?

[A]

The car alarm. It's like a car alarm right in the shop.

[B]

It's not the exhaust, it's not the exhaust alarm.

[A]

Yeah. PTS White watching a number of Savage Geese comparisons. They try to put the cars on the same tires from their sponsor. I wanted your thoughts on that approach versus the P. Cody approach of using the best OEM tire. I totally understand that approach and I think that there is absolutely something to be learned from that approach.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Having said that, almost every single high performance car is developed to be at its best on a certain type of.

[B]

Tire or it has a tire developed for that car by the tire manufacturer.

[A]

Yeah. And so like if you're talking about two cars, like the example I used recently was like from 2022 or maybe 23 performance car of the year we had the Civic Type R and the Elantra N. The Civic Type R came on an optional R compound tire. I forget if it was a Cup two or if it was a Pirelli, but it was an R compound tire with a. Or an optional like Pilot Sport 4s. You could choose one same, no cost, same price. So they issued us one for, they put stickies on it for the track and then we switched them to this. Okay. We felt that gave us the best picture of, of how the manufacturer wants to present the car to the public. But then the Elantra N came on the PS4S's only and we tracked that and we found that the Civic Type R was about a little under a second or about a second faster around the track than the Elantra N. With most cars that's about the difference on a 2 mile lap time for the 4s and the Cup 2. On almost any car it's almost about that. So we concluded that adjusting for potential driver error or the discrepancy from one, it was the same driver doing all the laps. But on any given day on the same tires. The Elantra N and the, and the, and the, and the Civic Type R are the same speed essentially. Right. But the reason it's fair to do that is because you can actually get the Civic Type R on those tires. Now you could put any tire on any car. But, but like I also, I don't know, I think I prefer the approach of doing it with the tire that the car comes on because it's today the development of that tire, the co development of that tire, especially at the high end is very important. The lower end the car. The more I think it's okay to put on the same tires because they're doing less. They're not developing a tire like in a launcher and might use PS4s's but they're probably like off the rack ones.

[B]

Right? I'm not sure.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I have to Google.

[A]

But the lower end of the car, the more likely it is that they're doing that versus the fucking ones that come on a GT3 or something. I'm not saying that they're wrong at all.

[B]

I think there's merit to both. I mean, I think savage geese, they almost do what you'd get in imsa, where, like, they're all running on Michelins. It's just. I mean, yes, it's the tire sponsor, but it is a bit of an equalizer. So it just removes that variable. And now you are testing, focusing more on the car than saying, oh, well, the PS5 worked better after five laps, whereas the R compound on this other car fell off after two. Maybe it would have kept up with car A had that tire not fallen apart so quickly. So this gets rid of all that, and they can just go, all right, let's just remove the variable. Plus, they have a tire sponsor.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, it's a good way to work their tire sponsor.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

But if I was sitting at dinner with Jack, you know, right now, and I was saying, you know, I'd really prefer to show the car the way that they want to show it. And Jack would go, I don't give a fuck how they want to show it. And I would go, okay, well, they probably. They might have developed this tire for this car. And he would go, well, that's fucking lazy of them, and I don't care. Which, I mean, is fine, if that's how you want to position the way that you're testing the. The car.

[B]

I think the question that would be interesting to answer is how is. How much of a difference in lap time is there between the tire they developed and the tire that was put on it for their test? And if that time is basically negligible, you know, hundredths of a second or something, you go, all right, it doesn't really matter. So now, removing this variable is better for a video, and it makes the test appear more even, but it doesn't really affect the lap time. If it affected it a lot, well, then that's kind of unfair to the car you're testing, I think.

[A]

Yeah, I think there's plenty of arguments for either side of it. And I don't. I mean, certainly there's some arguments that are silly, but a lot that aren't silly. It doesn't. But I've never. I've always thought that the approach that we do, which is just whatever the car comes with from the factory, is a fair one as well. JF's Air Miles says, is it a D bag move to buy a fake watch for a few hundred bucks when you don't care about the clout or even care that much about watches. I always wanted an Aqua Terra because I like the way they look, but I don't care about authenticity and would likely not ever be able to justify buying a real one. Yes, it is.

[B]

I say go for I don't.

[A]

I mean, look, you're. I wouldn't walk up to you on the street and fucking talk shit, but you're here to ask an opinion and like, yeah, buying fake stuff, slam.

[B]

I think if, I think if people ask you and you always say, no, it's fake, but you give the explanation you just gave, then look, you want to look at this thing. It's like art to you. You can't afford it, you have medical bills. In other situations then like, okay, you want to look at it. It's like if people buy a print of a Van Gogh painting poster, which they sell at the museum through the gift shop and they go, I love this painting. It does something for me. I want to see it on the wall. Obviously they'll never own the real one.

[A]

I don't think that's the same because there's obviously only one real one and there's thousands and thousands of real Aqua Terras on people's wrists.

[B]

What about posters of cars?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

When you're a kid, right? I mean, you could have a poster.

[A]

No one's confusing those two things.

[B]

No, no, but I'm saying, like, you're not.

[A]

The argument isn't a poster of a car. The argument is a fake car, which.

[B]

I also think is okay. Yeah, I mean, obviously I do.

[A]

I think they're lame because I. Because, because you know why? There's so many cars that cost what that kit car cost, that are cool in their own way. And that's the way I think about this watch. There are so many watches that are awesome for a few hundred bucks. And look, the Aqua Terra is a fucking nice watch. It is generic, pull up Omega Aqua Terra. There are a hundred goddamn watches that look exactly like this. It's not particularly special. And so there's so many brands that make a watch that is essentially interchangeable with this watch.

[B]

I agree with what you're saying.

[A]

Citizen Seiko immediately jumped in. Orient, Tissot, Hamilton. I could think of fucking a dozen companies that are cool companies with a history and a cred that make this shit for the price, you're saying. Whereas if you buy a Fake one. It's not just that it like, it's not like gonna be a $250 watch that just happens to look. That should be a copy of an Omega. It's gonna be like a $12 watch that is doll. It looks like this Omega but if it didn't look like an Omega it would be $12.

[B]

That's also bad if it, if it's.

[A]

Like they're also shitty watches. Whereas like this is you buy a, if you buy a Citizen or a Seiko or an Orient or other entry level steel sports watch of which so many companies make watches look just like this.

[B]

What about like the Rolexes that you've said feel and look really close?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So are those, they're just higher quality fakes than something like this.

[A]

Yeah, they'll have, they'll have, they'll have junk movements in them or like pretty shit movements. But some of the, some of the fakes are like real good looking, really good looking.

[B]

They'll have a real cord to charge it.

[A]

You'd need to have a real one next to it to tell the difference or like a scale, you know. Our friend bought a fake Explorer too and I have a real Explorer ii and I was pretty impressed at least at first at the quality of his watch. But when you put it next to mine there are substantial differences and the weights were different, different. And the feel, the metal felt different to the touch. I'm a huge proponent in not buying fake shit because I know how many cool watches there are for reasonable money. You just don't, you just don't need to do it. You know, it's. Yeah. Especially to be like I don't care about clout. Like that's why you buy fake shit to steal clout from the people who buy the real shit. You know what I mean? Toby Malone. Simone, what are your significant other's or family members thoughts on adas? Do they like them or turn them off as well? Moef does not like the ADAs. She turns it off as well. It gets in the way.

[B]

I think my wife turns off the lane keep assist stuff.

[A]

Lane keep assist is terrible. Although we'll talk about it on the next show. But the Rivians I'm pretty impressed with is pretty, pretty good. My taycan was fucking up a little bit and I had to in the rain. I don't know what it is about taycans when it rains their cameras get fucked up. Like they don't like dry properly. They get water spots and blurry. Our backup camera after the rain is Completely fucked. I have to. So I. So I was driving. It had stopped raining and I was going to Willow and back in the Taycan and I was just driving. No 8s on pedals wheel, I'm driving. And I kept getting takeover steering warnings and you'd like jiggle the wheel a little bit and it would go away. And I was like, what the fuck? So I called our homie at Porsche. I was like, yo, do I need to go to the dealer? Because this is. It's happened on the way to Willow like five times. And he was like, first do the sleep cycle reset, which is the same that I did with that air conditioning thing. And then like really clean your cameras. He's like, cause I know it's been raining in la. Your cameras are really dirty.

[B]

He thinks you're wandering.

[A]

He thinks you're like getting close to shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. So anyway, I did that. It hasn't happened since.

[B]

I wonder if you can spray like rain X or some other hydrophobic thing on the camera so that way water doesn't stick to it.

[A]

Maybe. Yeah, it's a poor. The placement, the placement resolution. And this with the rear camera is a fucking problem. Driving the Rivian around the last couple days, Hannah's like, oh my God, this camera, it's like, you know, the cameras on that thing are amazing. And the one on the Taycan sucks. Randy crossed on the thoughts on the Chris Ward Bel Canto. Love that watch. Real cool. Big, big MB and F vibes for like 5,000 bucks. Very pretty. And it's a, it's a chiming watch though, so you gotta like, whoa. Yeah, it looks like a million bucks costs 5,000 bucks. And it chimes so it chimes the hour, which is pretty fun.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah, that's a fun thing to do for like a minute.

[B]

Yeah, you're wearing your own like church Ding ding.

[A]

I mean they're pretty cool. And mostly usually a chiming watch would cost like five times times that much. So keel and toe. What makes the Porsche 918 different from the Ferrari SF90 in terms of enjoyment? On paper they seem similar. Mid engine V8 with an E motor. But the universally the 918 is universally praised and the SF90 is disliked. You're not wrong.

[B]

SF90 is also what, the only Ferrari of the last 20 years to lose value?

[A]

Yeah, the only special one. So big one carbon tub. The 918 is a carbon tub car. It's lighter, it, it rides and handles better. It steers better the engine, by the way. Is the fucking RS Spider Le Mans engine with exhaust stacks that are about 6 inches long and are right behind your head. It sounds fucking incredible. It's much more exciting to drive than the SF90, which is not that exciting. It looks different than other cars that cost half as much from the same manufacturer, whereas the SF90 kind of doesn't. And also, it doesn't have a bunch of haptic garbage on the steering wheel that you keep hitting and a bunch of, like, glitchy, crappy software. I mean, it has 2013 touch screens, which is a bummer, but you can deal with that. I'd rather have 2013 touchscreens than 2021 haptic controls on the steering wheel.

[B]

So. So the number. The Porsche, I'm sorry, Motor Trend weighed in 918. Said it weighed 37.91. And the SF90, what's interesting is I can't find anyone that put it on a scale, but they estimate it's about the same.

[A]

I think it's heavier.

[B]

So you think it's like.

[A]

It's got to think it's a little bit heavier.

[B]

CarBuzz says it's 35.93.

[A]

That's horseshit. That's gonna be a dry weight.

[B]

Yeah, the dry weight is reported all over. So. Okay, so a couple hundred pounds heavier, but it's.

[A]

I just.

[B]

I think the interior and then I think the. I think the 296 came out, and it's a hybrid with the same buttons in interior, and I think they look real similar to the SF90.

[A]

For half the price.

[B]

For half the price.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So.

[A]

And they're just as fast.

[B]

Yeah. Like, there's been no 918 successor that cost, you know, 12 bucks.

[A]

Yeah. Rage against the Mach E. We all know what they say about lifted trucks, etc. On the other hand, what car has the most big dick energy?

[B]

Which drivers are hung?

[A]

Vans.

[B]

Vans. You think like the Dragon vans?

[A]

Minivans.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What's the name of that magazine? Rolling. Rolling Heavy. Rolling Heavy Van Magazine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What has the most big dick energy?

[B]

I think actually someone who owns an old, like, rolling heavy van and there's a true bed in the back and someone who's putting out the vibe all the time, be like, hey, you want to. Yeah, I'm down to right now, and I have the car for it. You're like, you must be slanging or good at it, because you're just putting that message out there.

[A]

Yeah. How about, like, luxury sprinter van being rolled up is a pretty big dick energy car rolling up In a sprinter van.

[B]

Oh, luxury. I was thinking like off road Sprinter.

[A]

No, no, no. Like you know, like having a driver kind of, you know.

[B]

Yeah. There aren't it? Huh. That. That definitely carries the energy of pink.

[A]

Boxers with like 600 horsepower. Just saying. No, I mean I any like. I think there's a bunch of cars that like. I think the Manxes kind of do actually. Because like anything where it's like weird and silly but like self confident.

[B]

Not trying hard. Not absolutely just.

[A]

Just like a fun. A fun cool vibe.

[B]

All always a car that exudes a relaxed, confident person.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Turbo R did actually. The Turbo R just rolling along and being a young person in an old person's car, that'll do it. Low rider, six, four bouncing. I think possibly maybe.

[B]

I don't know. There's no way to verify any of this. Well, there's not a way to do it that I wanted to participate in, I should say.

[A]

Is that the a.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

Oh, it's another page. Oh, sorry.

[B]

One more page.

[A]

Piggly Wiggly Deluxe says nobody ever seems to talk about the SRT10 Ram trucks. That's because they're bad. Would you ever. Would you want one of those? Or a Lightning? And is the silver. Okay, hang on, let's see. Few different questions here. Would you rather an SRT10 Ram truck or a Ford Lightning? If you're Talking about the O3 Lightning, I drove the SRT10. It sucks.

[B]

I don't like the way it sounds.

[A]

Sounds like garbage. No, drives like garbage. Sounds like garbage. We don't need it. Is the Silverado SS any good? No, no.

[B]

It is like the old one from the early 90s with the 454 and.

[A]

Those are not good. And then the one from like 07 or whatever, this was also not good. Yeah, no, you don't want any of that. And big power factory street trucks suck. My medium sized cop.

[B]

What you want now is you get yourself an F150 with all wheel drive. You get the like short cab and then with the 10 speed on it and you boost the hell out of it. And now you have a fast truck. And that will destroy most cars on the road. See this versus that.

[A]

Okay, so I've. Okay. Piggly Wiggly Deluxe saw a YouTube short showing a woman riding a motorcycle that was way too big but had training wheels that would drop down when you come to a stop to keep the bike upright. Right. And they would retract when the bike took off. The comments section was pretty spicy, but it seemed pretty clever. And harmless thoughts. Look, whatever gets people into the hobby. I happen to think those. Anything that keeps you from riding a trike. Friends don't let friends ride trikes. But also, it could be like AI or it could be. Okay, so here's a woman. Okay, so this person is riding. Riding a big fucking bike. This is a little woman riding, like, an adventure bike in Asia somewhere, riding a huge BMW GS adventure bike. And to be perfectly honest, I think it's great.

[B]

That makes a lot of sense.

[A]

It makes a lot of sense.

[B]

She comes to a stop. For people who are listening, this woman comes to a stop, dangles her feet, and they are 8 inches above the ground. There's no way in hell she can touch the ground. So all it does is come down when she stops. Keeps the bike from tipping over. And then she pulls away and they retract, and it looks like they do a very smooth job of it.

[A]

Yeah. This is the only way that this woman could practically ride this motorcycle.

[B]

She's delivering something. There's a box on the back.

[A]

I don't hate it. Yeah, I don't hate it. Dude. I rode that Piaggio MP3 scooter with two wheels in the front, one in the back. And you can lean.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

That had a button that would lock it upright. So when you would come to a stop, as you got down, like, two miles an hour, you just tap this button and it would just lock it upright so you wouldn't have to put your feet down. And then you just. When you hit the. As soon as you rolled on the throttle to go, it would release it. I found it to be quite luxurious.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I agree with our patron. It does seem totally harmless.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know why you'd make fun of that person.

[A]

I mean, there's, I guess, potentially some kind of argument that the bike is objectively too large for her. But, like, who am I to say that a short person can't ride an adventure motorcycle safely?

[B]

It also could be in a market where there's not that many options for motorcycles. And she's like, this is what I can get, or it's very good, or it's handed down to me. There's so many reasons that, I mean, she knows she can't reach the ground. Like, she got there and knows that, but she had to solve this problem. So I like it.

[A]

Christian says, can you tell the difference between new car smells from different automakers? I used to work at Lexus, and a new Lexus smells different than a new Ford, etc. Could you do a blind smell test of new cars?

[B]

I couldn't.

[A]

I don't think I could. I'll tell you what I could do though, is probably a blind smell test of like cars from the 80s and 90s.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you put in. If you put in a room, let's.

[B]

Just say Volkswagen Jetta.

[A]

You put in a room of Jetta 98 Mark 3 Jetta. You then put an 80s Ferrari. You then put an E46 BMW.

[B]

E46 might be different.

[A]

You put a fox body Mustang. You know, you put smells like skull. Very specific smell to a fox body Mustang. You put a few different cars from history. And I could do much, much better than if it was was brand new cars. I know what you mean though. We just drove a brand new cars acted. It had a real distinct brand new car smell about it. That car I probably could have picked out as that brand's smell because they probably.

[B]

Yeah, a lot of those.

[A]

I've smelled it a lot.

[B]

Yeah, same glue.

[A]

New Lexus does smell very good. I agree with Christian on this one. A new Lexus is a nice new Bentley.

[B]

Well, then there's the plot twist of the Bentley or Mercedes that have the perfuminator in the glove box, which usually is too strong smell.

[A]

Yeah. All the buy box we get are like permeated with that.

[B]

Yeah, I don't like it.

[A]

We got to try one of the Lincolns that have that.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Yeah. Lady at pebble beach.

[B]

What's the Detroit pizza?

[A]

No. I asked her what's the best smell to cover up blunts? And she was like, oh, I couldn't possibly say this one is this one. I was like, by the way this water tastes.

[B]

Someone said that before.

[A]

It tastes like this bottle sat outside.

[B]

For about a. Yeah, microplastics. Someone says the video was filmed. That motorcycle video was filmed in China. In China, motorcycles have to go to the junkyard after 13 years. It's the law Now. I didn't fact check that, but that's what one of our patrons said.

[A]

I'm not surprised. I mean, that's unfortunate, but maybe it's emissions. They're trying to cycle out older bikes, I think. I mean, it seems to me that China has done a pretty amazing job of turning their environmental problems around pretty quick. Quickly. They haven't fixed it, but like they're on the way. Yeah.

[B]

Renewable energy, all that kind of stuff.

[A]

Seems like in observable reality, that's a good idea. I don't know. I don't know. It's crazy what I know about these atmospheric rivers, though, right? Thanks, everybody. Yeah, I hope you have had or will have a happy Thanksgiving. Some sort. I'm gonna have to.

[B]

Two. Yeah, two Thanksgivings.

[A]

This is great. This is gonna be awesome.

[B]

Leftovers in the same day.

[A]

It's gonna be so good, you guys. But I got. I did go to the Malibu Farmers Market this morning to get the sprouted nuts to make the special pie. I'm actually pretty excited about that one. That's it. We're very thankful for all of you. Absolutely. Especially our patrons who really, really do support us in many ways. Well, two, they listen and then they give money. Those are really the two big ones. We appreciate all of you, I promise. Working on the live tour, there's apparently more to it than one thought. Hmm. But, yeah, we will see you guys after the holiday. It's my birthday next week.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

40 motherfucking 4. 44.

[B]

Mmm. What is that? That mean you texted me about it and then you did not reply? You gotta.

[A]

No, we're gonna go with the dinner. Yeah, we're gonna do that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, we're gonna do that. I need to get a headcount.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

I need to get a headcount. I was. Then I was. I don't know if I said this on the show. When I was in Atlanta to. To pick up the 918, our friend at Porsche was like, hey, I'm shooting something upstairs. I'm shooting some video upstairs. But, like, come up to the lock lobby at the Porsche Experience center and say hi. So I go up and he's hanging out with this fucking famous chef, Evan Funke, who is like, there's a chef's table about him and he has three restaurants in la. And he turns out, he's like, oh, shit, that Farah. I've seen your videos. I'm like, oh, shit, I fucking eat at all your restaurants. And he was very. I have. One of his restaurants is very hard to get in. And I have a very specific strategy of how to get in there. I go, only go. I go by myself on a Tuesday. I sit at the bar. It's the only way to get in. And he's like, I like your fucking style. So he's offered to host me and some friends at his restaurant. Whoa.

[B]

Yeah, cool. Yeah, cool.

[A]

So, wow. He's off. He said, for your, you know, your birthday, I want to set you up. So I was like, yeah.

[B]

Holy shit.

[A]

Yeah, so it could be pretty slick. It could be a good time. I mean, obviously it will be a good time. So I think that's what we're going to do for my birthday dinner is actually. Evan is actually going to cook me.

[B]

That's super cool.

[A]

Cool, yeah. Which is really.

[B]

Look at you.

[A]

That'll be fun. Yeah, that'll be really fun. That was a random fun thing that happened on that trip that I forgot about because the 918 is very overwhelming for a week, but also best pasta chef in California is going to make us dinner.

[B]

That's dope.

[A]

Fuck, yeah. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. See you next time.