Waymo Problems; We're Giving Away a Car!

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast: Waymo Problems; We're Giving Away a Car!

Date: December 26, 2025
Hosts: Matt Farah & Zack Klapman

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Smoking Tire Podcast is a classic mix of automotive banter, with Matt Farah and Zack Klapman offering stories from their lives, diving into car culture and the quirks of ownership, and of course, deep-diving the news about autonomous vehicles—specifically, the hilarity and challenges of Waymo’s San Francisco taxi service during a power outage. The big headline: the team is giving away their most significant car yet, a brand new Porsche 911 Turbo S. This sprawling episode covers everything from Porsche infotainment hacks and road trip stories, to a lively Q&A. The tone is candid, fast-paced, and laced with signature comedy.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Entrepreneurial Life & Scheduling (00:30–05:40)

• Making Your Own Schedule:
  • Matt and Zack reflect on how running multiple businesses disrupts any sense of a "regular" week and allows for off-peak vacations and errands—at the cost of near-constant work.
  • “Making your own schedule is a double-edged sword. You don’t ask anybody to go anywhere, but you just work so much more.” — Matt (02:41)
• Family Holiday Flexibility:
  • A lighthearted debate about moving holiday dates to suit adults' and families' schedules, with Matt awarding a "Point Farah" for parental flexibility.

2. Porsche 911 Turbo S Giveaway! (06:01–11:55)

• Announcement:

  • The team reveals their next giveaway car: a 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S, sourced via Dream Giveaways.
  • "The game is changed… We are now doing a Porsche 992 Turbo S. And this thing fucks." — Matt (07:08)

• Specs & Options Discussed:

  • Color: Ice Grey, with “rich metallic” vibes.
  • Loaded with options: sport design wheels, Bose stereo, PDCC, rear steer, ceramic brakes, extended leather with yellow stitching, glass sunroof, rear wiper.

• Break-in Road Trip:

  • Matt and Zack personally took the car on a 1,000-mile road trip to break it in—Zion National Park included.

• “This is a 9-second car from the factory, 200mph car, and Zach and I did a thousand mile road trip in two days. It was easy.” — Matt (09:40)

• Past Giveaways:

  • Comparisons to previous TST giveaway cars (BMW 135i, C6 Corvette); highlighting this Turbo S as a huge step up in price and newness.

3. Porsche Infotainment Hack (09:53–13:51)

• The “CarPlay Rearrangement” Discovery:
  • A listener tip leads Matt to realize you can rearrange icons in the native Porsche PCM infotainment dock—something he says wasn’t obvious or taught at dealerships, despite a highly Porsche-enthusiastic audience.
• Broader Usability Talk:
  • Rant on user interface frustrations in modern cars—wanting systems to automatically surface frequently-used apps.

Notable Quote:

• “I bet none of these other people know this shit either... That is not something that's educated at the dealer.”—Matt (12:06)

4. Porsche 911 Turbo S: Driving and Road Trip Impressions (15:18–27:50)

• Comfort, Utility, and Athleticism:
  • Praise for duality: monster acceleration and daily comfort.
  • Road trip: Achieved 26–27 MPG while cruising briskly; active aero and efficiency lauded.
  • "I don’t know if there's another car on the market that does as many things as well as 911 Turbos do."—Zach (24:47)
• Features:
  • Unique options: color-matched vents on the engine cover, rear wiper (both rare/quirky).
  • Mods and content plans teased for upcoming coverage.

5. Giveaway Details (28:15–29:44)

• How to Enter:
  • Most merchandise purchases count as entries; no-purchase entry available, but requires jumping through more legal hoops.
• Charitable Element:
  • Confirmed there will be a charitable donation component.

6. Waymo Problems in San Francisco (31:00–39:40)

• Incident Overview:
  • Power outage knocks out traffic lights; a conga line of confused Waymo robo-taxis get stuck, immobilized by lack of traffic signal input.
  • "Without a working traffic signal, they're literally unable to make a decision." — Matt (33:13)
• Analysis & Reactions:
  • The hosts dig into the limitations of autonomous systems, noting how passive Waymo cars become ‘stuck’ in odd scenarios—amusing in this case, but drawing contrasts to the dangerous failures that occur with rival Tesla’s systems.
  • Colorful banter imagining the Waymos ‘cheering each other on.’
• Larger Context:
  • Brief commentary on fatal Tesla incidents; a cat run over by Waymo; promises for new undercar sensors.

7. Porsche Customization & Reimagined Classics (44:07–53:48)

• Factory Restomods:
  • Porsche is restoring and modifying Carrera GTs and other classics “to order.”
  • Debate on the aesthetics of retro racing liveries applied to modern or recent cars.
  • "I don’t think those 50s and 60s liveries look good on these modern cars at all." — Matt (46:59)
• Collector Car Color Trends:
  • Trends mentioned (green and blue popularity cycles, chalk/Miami Blue, etc.)
  • Caution for owners about color choice and long-term values.

8. Miscellaneous Car & Car Culture Talk (53:48–1:40:00+)

Notable Segments:

• Q&A Section (56:31–end):
  • Buy/sell/hold advice for used sports cars and insuring vehicles for agreed value.
  • Nostalgic stories from Matt and Zack’s time at Gotham Dream Cars, including a memorable “boob popped out” driving tour incident (63:22), and the story of a long-running Lamborghini rental “scam” involving a client who bought the car to keep up appearances.
• Discussion: EVs, Sales, and Market Trends (70:12):
  • Contextualizing "slowing" EV sales (still growing, just at a decelerated pace); comparisons to muscle car/malaise eras.
• Resting Bitch Face Cars (101:26):
  • Fun riffing on cars with "resting bitch face"—Hyundai Ioniq 6 and Kia Soul get called out.
• **Other vehicle reviews, insurance advice, and extended back-and-forth over enthusiast car market quirks and personal tastes.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Paul Walker/Lamborghini Rental Scam (66:46):
  “He met this chick and told her that it was his car… he had to keep renting the car. Well, once the one he rented was in service… he had to figure out how to tell the girl... Eventually, he buys the rental car from us, to keep up appearances." — Matt

• On the Waymo SF Incident:
  “I thought [Waymo cars] bricked… It was not a red flag. It was just that the traffic signal was out, and all the Waymos got real confused.” — Matt (32:29)

• On the Porsche 992 Turbo S:
  "There's also no car in the market that less needs to be tuned than this thing." — Matt (24:59)

• On Car Customization & Investment:
  "Your shit may or may not be investment grade anymore, you know." — Matt (53:15)

• On AI Imagery and News:
  "I hope you people enjoyed photographic evidence while it was a thing." — Matt (42:55)

• On Life and Aging:
  "The ideal successful marriage is... both die the same time." — Matt, riffing on “Farah math” (21:43-22:00)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:30–05:40 — Entrepreneurial life, holiday/family flexibility
• 06:01–11:55 — Porsche 911 Turbo S giveaway announcement and specs
• 12:00–13:40 — Porsche infotainment “hack” and UX rant
• 15:18–27:50 — Turbo S driving impressions, road trips, road manners, quirks
• 28:15–29:44 — Contest rules, charity, entries
• 31:00–39:40 — Waymo stuck in SF, full breakdown and analysis
• 44:07–53:48 — Porsche factory restomods, color trends, and customization risks
• 56:31–~end — Extended listener Q&A, car stories, insurance talk

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Tone and Style

• Conversational, irreverent, and unfiltered. Banter is sharp, filled with inside jokes and good-natured digs. The hosts are frank about the car industry and their own lives, but always return to deep-dive discussions of driving and automotive technology. Listener questions are taken seriously and often prompt thoughtful (if winding) answers.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a showcase of The Smoking Tire’s strengths: industry insights, hands-on car stories, and the unique dynamic between Matt and Zack. Whether discussing six-figure Porsches, the failures and wonders of self-driving tech, or just riffing on the absurdities of car culture, it’s a lively episode perfect for both car geeks and fans of unscripted radio done right.

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[End of summary]

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

What up, everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode is brought to you, as always, by off the Record. We love off the Record here at the Smoking Tire Podcast because they are looking out for you. 24 7, 365. If you get a ticket, any moving violation, big or small, what do you do? You get off the record. You don't plead guilty. You go to offtherecord.com TST input some basic information about what happened, where and why. They will fight that ticket for you all the way up and get those points off of your record. And if they don't, you don't pay. Again. Offtherecord.com TST don't let friends plead guilty. Make sure you and them get off the record. And if you. Man, every month, every month, every week, somebody hits me up and says, off the record. Saved my backside. They've saved my backside a whole bunch. They're gonna keep you out there on the road. Offtherecord.com TST let's get it going. Yeah. I don't know. I talked to Spike. I did his show to whore out the nsx. He's like, can you come to a show? I was like, if I can spend 20 minutes talking about how nice my own car is, then I will. But he said he had it right before me. The three week chest congestion, that just doesn't go away.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

That's what it is. Well, I'm now at two weeks in.

[Zach]

A day, 2/3 of the way through.

[Matt Farah]

So I'll be fine in six days, seven days.

[Zach]

January. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

New Year, New Year, New non. Having a chest condition.

[Zach]

I hope so. That's a long time. You tend to have a very resilient immune system. You do.

[Matt Farah]

I don't get sick very often at all. Yeah. No. It's weird. That's a new one for me, but. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the program. I hope everyone's having a nice day, whatever the fuck day it is today, actually. I mean that in the sense that I don't know what day this episode will go up.

[Zach]

It was a tomorrow.

[Matt Farah]

But also didn't really know what day it was today either.

[Zach]

True.

[Matt Farah]

And that seems silly for most people to not know what day it is, but when you have two businesses that both just exist all the time, doesn't matter what day it is.

[Zach]

So true.

[Matt Farah]

It doesn't matter what day it is in fucking years.

[Zach]

Yeah. Sometimes you're like, you want to do a show on Sunday?

[Matt Farah]

I'm like, sure, yeah, why not? What does Sunday mean to us? Absolutely fucking Literally nothing. Yeah, it's actually kind of nice. You get to vacation on weekdays, you get to do things at, you know, at least when there's theoretically less people doing them.

[Zach]

Yeah, definitely.

[Matt Farah]

That is a benefit of the cause the making your own schedule is a double edged sword.

[Zach]

Right, Right.

[Matt Farah]

On the one hand, like, you don't ask nobody to go anywhere. On the other hand, you just work so much more.

[Zach]

I've never heard an entrepreneur person, self employed person say the opposite. Everyone's just like, you work more, you work more hours. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Your whole life just becomes it. Which is totally fine. But like, that's just what happens. The, the flip side is I can go on vacation when your fucking kids won't be there. Right, Right.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's what's up. I can go to the doctor's office when you're not there.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And then. And occasionally I can't, you know, occasionally I have to do things when other people do them. It's horrible, you know?

[Zach]

Yeah. Going to Costco at 6pm you go, oh, no.

[Matt Farah]

Like if we were really fucking smart. Like if I, you know, if I had my own family and you know, like down family. You know what I mean? Like if I had children.

[Zach]

Yeah, right.

[Matt Farah]

If I had kids.

[Zach]

Downed family.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Like, as opposed to like I obviously.

[Zach]

Have a family favorite show on Netflix. Down Family.

[Matt Farah]

It'll mean different thing depending on which network it's on. On some networks, that means like people with down syndrome. On other, it's like Australians. It's Australians. On another, it's like just general Southerns and then other. It's just like really, there's like the rich cousin and the poor cousin and this show's about cousin Eddie from fucking vacation, basically.

[Zach]

I was gonna say people that live in a cave, but I like yours better.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Down on. Yeah. Wow. There's a lot of ways we can use the word down today. No. And also your, yeah. Children, I guess, is down. Down family.

[Zach]

Down. This is my down family. What?

[Matt Farah]

Your children?

[Zach]

Well, they're lower than me, they're shorter than me.

[Matt Farah]

But the point is, I would use, if I was the patriarch of a down family, I would use my status as entrepreneur to be like, you know What? Christmas is December 11th this year. You know what I mean? Like we're having Thanksgiving the first Tuesday, actually.

[Zach]

I told you, Sarah, Sarah's family does that for Christmas. We go in the first. We go to Florida the first week of Christmas.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Because the flights are cheaper, it's less busy, we do the gifts, everyone's got hats on. We have a great time and then we go home.

[Matt Farah]

We tried to convince Hannah's parents to do Thanksgiving on either Wednesday or Friday so that we could go to both. Just this one time, not forever. Her parents were like, fuck, no. They weren't moving shit. My parents agreed to do a brunch so we could do it. That was, you know, that was pushing it.

[Zach]

I think your parents win that round.

[Matt Farah]

For being better parents by being more flexible. Yeah.

[Zach]

Amenable to that. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, I think they do. I think Chang Faris.

[Zach]

Point Farah.

[Matt Farah]

Point Farah Service. The Farahs of Greenwich win the first round. Yeah. Very much. Shit cars, though. Well, I guess. I guess we should just lead with what we did all morning. We don't want to show the end photo, though, do we?

[Zach]

I guess not. We don't want to spoil it.

[Matt Farah]

You have old photos of when it was a stock.

[Zach]

I should.

[Matt Farah]

You must. You must. Somewhere.

[Zach]

I don't delete them until the thing.

[Matt Farah]

Well, the point is, we teased it, and if you're. If you're a big Patreon member there, listening to the pro driver show, if you're a pro driver champ level patron, you get extra podcasts. By the way, we've been talking about it for a little bit, but we're doing another giveaway car. That's the big deal. And, you know, we've done it before. We did a BMW 135i. That was actually a fucking awesome car. That car ripped. That thing was really fun. And we did a Corvette, a C6 Corvette that actually still lives locally. The dude who won it still comes to good vibes once in a while, lives in Southern California, so we see that thing around. I'm glad to see he's been driving it and enjoying it. But now the game is changed because we actually partnered with this company called Dream Giveaways, and they do a little bit bigger cars. So we are now doing a Porsche 992 Turbo S. And this thing fucks.

[Zach]

This is nuts.

[Matt Farah]

This is a brand new car. This was delivered to us with 60 miles on it in ice gray, which is a fucking awesome color. I think it elevates the chalk type of gray.

[Zach]

You know what I mean?

[Matt Farah]

It's sort of a richer, more metallic version of that type of gray.

[Zach]

Yeah. When it's got side light on it like we had this morning, it really helps show the curves of the car. Especially the back fenders are so big.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

But it looks good.

[Matt Farah]

It's got a lot of really cool options. It came with Sport design wheels which we're showing in this photo right now, which we've changed. But the winner will get these wheels too. And you'll see what wheels we put on it later. And it's got a kick ass interior, it's got a glass sunroof, it's got a rear wiper, it's got the good stereo, It's Bose, not Burmeister, but it's got PDCC and rear steer and ceramic brakes. It's got a full leather fucking nose to tail leather. Extended leather interior in gray with contrast yellow stitching, yellow tack, yellow clock face. Really, really cool car. And the photo we're showing is I took actually, or maybe Zach took. We both took the same photos. This is in Zion national park because one of the things we did was do the break in. So we broke in the car for you. So it now has the exact right almost to the mile right now where you could just get in and start doing launches and you'll be fine. And you should, but fucking hell. 911 Turbo S. Yeah.

[Zach]

Really expensive.

[Matt Farah]

That's so crazy. $274,000.

[Zach]

We've raised the cost of our giveaway car by 11. Something like 10 and a half.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean I think the BMW was like 20 grand and we put 12 or 13 grand into it.

[Zach]

Sure did.

[Matt Farah]

And then the Corvette was like like about 20 grand also. And I think we did maybe a little, maybe a little less. Because a little less was broken.

[Zach]

True. That's. Yeah, that's true.

[Matt Farah]

I think the labor, the labor rate was a little lower on the Corvette, I think. Or not. No it wasn't. Yeah, they were both nice. But this time we are starting with a brand new turbo.

[Zach]

Yes, exactly.

[Matt Farah]

That's really the important thing here. This is a 9 second car from the factory. 200 mile an hour car that Zach and I comfortably did a thousand mile road trip in in two days.

[Zach]

Yeah, that was amazing.

[Matt Farah]

It was easy.

[Zach]

Such a good cruise.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was good. It's got all the good things. And dude, I'm sorry I don't have the guy's name handy but to the fan that dmed me on Instagram and said hey bro, I just learned that you can rearrange the icons on the dock on Porsche's PCM screen and then sent me like a 10 second video clip of just like an iPhone of a dude like holding and dragging. Cause I was talking last show about my Taycan. Like to get to the new Taycan you just have to change it. Yo, I watched that video I walked outside to the driveway and I did it in my own car. I was like, oh, it was amazing. And this morning we did it in this car.

[Zach]

Well, it's hilarious because one of your big complaints about Porsche in general and yours is like you have to go through multiple menus to get to CarPlay and back to Native and back to CarPlay. And then the new one that you tested, you went, oh look, they put the CarPlay button in the dock. On the dock, it's right there on the left side. It's always there. And on the last show we're like, I wonder if you could get it updated at the dealership. Maybe they could hack into the mainframe.

[Matt Farah]

You joke that they would charge you.

[Zach]

I joked they would probably charge you 500. They'd be smart, they'd go, yeah, we can update the Software, it'll be 500 bucks. And you go okay. But all they would do is put their finger on it and just drag it over there and just drop it in the dock.

[Matt Farah]

It's really interesting that. Cuz we have an outsized audience of Porsche owners and enthusiasts here. Like just percentage wise, right? Like the percentage of TST listeners that own Porsches is higher than the general population probably. Yeah, there's many, there's many people from a Macan to a fucking Turbo s to a 918 that's in our audience to people who work there. I've talked about this a few times. This is not the first time I have discussed this exact thing. And with much respect and appreciation to the dude that sent it to me. That took a while.

[Zach]

No, it should have been left up to him.

[Matt Farah]

That took longer than it should have. Which to me isn't like a failure to communicate to me it means I bet none of these other people know this shit either.

[Zach]

I bet, yeah, I bet.

[Matt Farah]

That is not something that's educated at the dealer where you could change that. So like if you don't like. And by the way, it's not just CarPlay. Like if you have a Porsche that has the, I think it's like the, I don't know, 2020 and up screen, whatever. The one that's like the current one, but the not newest version of the current one that has the array of apps arranged like an iPad would, bro, just touch the shit and hold it for like two seconds and a little window will pop up that says rearrange question mark and then you just drag and you can put any icon on.

[Zach]

The dock, which is very handy.

[Matt Farah]

I bet not as many. I mean Someone out there knows it, and if you did, you should have fucking told me.

[Zach]

But I don't think it's widespread knowledge. I think it's widespread knowledge. That's the kind of story that like a blog would have grabbed because they needed 10 stories for the day.

[Matt Farah]

Truly, AI would have written this story a hundred times for Apple News.

[Zach]

Yeah, I really think that. And I wonder maybe someone from Porsche will hear this. They'll reach out and say, we do not train that in the dealership because the dealers might not know that you can move the icons around or maybe that you can't move them over across that tiny little border to the dock.

[Matt Farah]

What a treat to find out that you can.

[Zach]

Well, we're gonna get. Or it's that. It's that nobody knows. Or we're gonna get a hundred comments on this video that are like, yeah, every carplay lets you do that. Of course it does.

[Matt Farah]

No, it's not. It's not CarPlay. That's native. The native system.

[Zach]

But you were moving the CarPlay button.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but you can move anybody.

[Zach]

It is in the native system.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's in the n. I didn't have to move the CarPlay button. I could have used the move the 0 to 60 timer button or fucking weather app button or whatever. Yeah, I might change all the buttons just to fuck with Hannah.

[Zach]

Yeah, you should mess with the rest of your down family.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

That's a good score. That's free mod. That's what that is, dude.

[Matt Farah]

Removing a bit of resistance in a system that you have to use that frequently. That's. That's all right. Yeah, that's a good. That's a good day. I call that a good fucking day.

[Zach]

Yeah, I don't like when you're on the screen. You like swipe from screen one to two. No, to use the thing used most frequently, you know, I wish I organized it by itself. That'd be nice.

[Matt Farah]

If it goes, hey, most frequent.

[Zach]

Yeah, most frequent. Yeah. When you have like the triple page of CarPlay, you know, it always. And it has like when I use CarPlay in my car, like Harry's lap timers on there and just everything like Electrify America. Any app I've ever downloaded that has a carplay function sure is there. But I wish it would just shuffle them all to like. Here's your most recent on this page.

[Matt Farah]

You know, it's very rare in my CarPlay usage. I would say that 99% of the time I'm using CarPlay. The screen that's up is either a GPS screen, Waze or Google Maps or the music screen. I don't spend a lot of time going through. I don't use a lot of other apps like through CarPlay. So I guess there's probably a lot of people that do. There must be a way to arrange them shits. Have you.

[Zach]

I think you could probably just manually drag them around.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've never, I've never tried. I've never cared.

[Zach]

But like, I'll have to fuck around. Maybe in my system there's a button that says sort by recent or something.

[Matt Farah]

Are we talking about your car?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, cool. Cause also asterisk.

[Zach]

Sure, yeah. Chinese hardware. Your car, your car has Android that runs Apple stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Your shit's got some like spyware on.

[Zach]

We're not so different, you and I. We're just trying to rearrange Apple, you know, just different sides of the fence. My fence is Chain link. Yours is fancy. We have the same problem. We both take our trash out.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I don't know where I'm going with this.

[Matt Farah]

I don't. I like. And yes. And what else do we do? What else do we both do? We both wipe our bums.

[Zach]

You do that. Hmm.

[Matt Farah]

I use three seashells.

[Zach]

I'm missing something.

[Matt Farah]

Three seashells.

[Zach]

I just use a sprinkler outside.

[Matt Farah]

I had to. Amelia Hartford.

[Zach]

What a segue.

[Matt Farah]

Came over for dinner the other night, and she wanted to see the house, and I'm giving her the normal tour, and she has not seen Demolition.

[Zach]

I knew where this was headed. She's like 28 years old.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah. And so I have to explain, this has happened before where you have to. They go, I can see that you're doing a bit here, but just, I got nothing.

[Zach]

And then you have to go. So there's a movie, and in the movie, they use these shells and they use the shel. Clean this shit off the bum, dude. And it's really funny. I promise.

[Matt Farah]

It doesn't help that, you know, you've been in that bathroom. There's a couple of photos from on set, like publicity photos, and they're black and white. Like, it's. This is like. This is a color movie, obviously, but it's funny.

[Zach]

Sarah and I are only four years apart, but the number. There's enough things each month where I go, have you seen this? She says, no. And I realized that was enough of a delta, like, whether it was a cartoon as a kid or a movie or whatever. And now I have much more empathy for my dad when he would say, have you guys seen Seven Samurai? And I'd be like, We're 12. No. And he goes, oh, it came out in 58. It's amazing, bro.

[Matt Farah]

Hannah's the shit. Hannah's five years older than me, which is, interestingly, the same age that my mother is older than my father. It's weird that that happened that way, but, like, is it that matter? No. My dad says this is Farah math at work, because on average, women live five years longer than men. So we're just fucking bracket racing.

[Zach]

So you can. You're trying to die at the same time.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. The idea successful marriage is you fucking Hannah. And I talk about this both together all the time. Neither of us are particularly excited to be the one that doesn't die first.

[Zach]

Of course not. Then you have to handle all the.

[Matt Farah]

Stuff you gotta do all this shit.

[Zach]

You have to grieve. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, unless you're Young enough to start fucking again. You know, what's the point?

[Zach]

I mean, based on what they say about retirement home, I don't know if you're ever really too old.

[Matt Farah]

No, it's. Yeah. I mean, listen, if make it to 80, it's on like.

[Zach]

Hannah, can I get a.

[Matt Farah]

We're just going to start eating molly every single day. Why wouldn't you?

[Zach]

I mean, you can't do it every day.

[Matt Farah]

But I mean, as much as, you know, physician allows, as much as Dr. Conrad Murray allows.

[Zach]

As much as RFK allows.

[Matt Farah]

Where was.

[Zach]

That's the darkest joke I've ever heard your dad making. He's like, we're all just trying to die. Same day, same year.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, just go out.

[Zach]

Yeah. Night.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, sure. I mean, listen, Roger Farah math is never wrong. You have to respect his math.

[Zach]

That's really scary. True.

[Matt Farah]

His math game is so tight. He's wrong about other shit. But you cannot fuck with his math game at all. Especially some simple ass math like that.

[Zach]

Like the number five.

[Matt Farah]

He bats a thousand.

[Zach]

He's good at number five.

[Matt Farah]

Anyway. Wow. Were we talking about cars?

[Zach]

Not yet. No. No. We did Apple CarPlay. That's how we got it.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, it was on CarPlay.

[Zach]

Yeah. And our cars are different. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Right. Anyway. Hi. So we're giving away a 911. It has CarPlay. Oh, yeah, it has CarPlay.

[Zach]

It does have CarPlay.

[Matt Farah]

What else does it have? It has. Oh, it has some. Actually the couple of. It has some really sort of rare options. It has like the. I don't know if there's. If you can see it in this photo, the veins on the engine cover, those vents are painted ice gray. That is apparently a very expensive, an exclusive manufacturer thing that not a lot of people get. And you know what's funny about the rear wiper? The rear wiper's pimp as Fuck on a 911 Turbo S. It really is. That's a pretty, you know, touring level option. It doesn't work all that well, though. I mean, it works better than having no wiper. But the angle that it like sweeps away is just like. Not that good.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's fairly unnecessary.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I would say. But it looks cool.

[Zach]

I've got. Here's the shot.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So you can see the painted things on top.

[Zach]

Well, what's funny is from this angle, it just looks like reflections. But those always look like that for the.

[Matt Farah]

Those are actually painted stripes. Yeah. Pretty cool.

[Zach]

Painted reflection. That is a huge windshield wiper.

[Matt Farah]

It is, but the angle of it, like it I'd say it cleans like half the windshield. Yeah.

[Zach]

Speed cleans the other part.

[Matt Farah]

Sure. But still, I mean, it's a pimp option to have.

[Zach]

These cars are amazing. Truly. Well, we don't want to talk about the mods yet. Right. We're going to save that stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But like fucking, you know, spoiler alert. It's. It's like fucking so fast.

[Zach]

They're so fast.

[Matt Farah]

It's insanely fast. Yeah.

[Zach]

But just at its, at its core, I don't know if there's another car on the market that does as many things as well as 911 shorts do.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And I know I'm not. This isn't a new statement. I just got reminded today. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But there's also no car in the market that like, less needs to be tuned than this thing.

[Zach]

Oh, that's true. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

This is not. It's not a thing that needs more power. Like it.

[Zach]

Someone out there I'm sure is putting exhaust and a tune on the ZR1, like right now.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. That you should do to just make it sound better. But you don't need to tune that.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's true.

[Matt Farah]

That car. Rangers ran nines. Car and driver ran nines with it. Rear wheel drive, no prep. Actually. Yeah, I don't think it was no prep.

[Zach]

I think it's nuts.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Was it? No prep. I don't know, but it was a fucking rear wheel drive nine on a street tire. Yeah. Pretty cool.

[Zach]

Very cool.

[Matt Farah]

This does. This does nines on street tires, all wheel drive. Constantly.

[Zach]

All the time.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And it also. Well, I didn't try it before, but now it. Now it certainly does a four wheel burnout too, which is pretty fun if you want to try that.

[Zach]

It does do that. Which shocked me today. What else was I going to say about this good road trip car, though? Because we did drive it. Design them back and we did the Angel Landing hike. Someone asked how it was. That's the coolest hike I've ever done. That's a good hike because it involves climbing with chains and if you let go or slip, like, you might die.

[Matt Farah]

You could absolutely die.

[Zach]

I'm really into that kind of hiking. I'm on board.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was. And it was. It was a. It was a. It is. It was a little scary.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

There's a couple elements of that. We're like, oh. Oh, yeah.

[Zach]

Very focused.

[Matt Farah]

There's exposure, some real exposure on this.

[Zach]

If you're tired when you start that hike, when you get to the part where you hold on to not die. You are awake. You're very awake.

[Matt Farah]

Oh.

[Zach]

What I was going to say is when we drove this, I think we got like 27 or 26 miles per gallon for the whole trip.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we did.

[Zach]

And we were. We had to get back quickly.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean it was the break in, right? We were doing the break in. So I don't. We didn't rev it like past five. We didn't go over half throttle. Like that's what you're doing on break in. Doesn't mean you're driving slow.

[Zach]

We did not drive slow.

[Matt Farah]

You could fucking. Dude, you can stick this thing at 90 miles an hour across Utah, no problem, right?

[Zach]

No, I'm just saying that at cruising speed, at high cruising speeds.

[Matt Farah]

Pretty efficient.

[Zach]

Pretty efficient and impressive for something making so much power.

[Matt Farah]

Active arrow and all that good shit. This is fine ass automobile.

[Zach]

It is.

[Matt Farah]

I'm gonna be sorry to see it go. But like, at least like, you know what was tough about that Corvette was like the contest started and then we got the car and we were really crunched on time to get the car done by like, you know, the right kinds of people. Like, you know, with the right kind of parts we wanted and all that stuff. We got it done like, and the car was cool, but like it was incredibly stressful.

[Zach]

It was very. It was two months or something. It was really.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think it was even that long. I think it might have been six weeks or something. But so this car we had for longer. We got it all done and so like you can't. Like you're listening to this. Like you literally can't enter yet. Like it hasn't actually started yet. But. And you're gonna see content about us doing stuff to the car, which is like the way it's supposed to work. But like, rest assured, the car's already done.

[Zach]

Also, the car was fully functional when it arrived. Whereas some of our cars that we had, like BMW had. There were things we fixed and things we improved and we spent a lot of money just fixing BMW things so that it's ready for the next person. Same with the Vette. Like there was some stuff ins that was torn and shaky and wiggly and broken.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we tried to partially un shitbox a 2012 Corvette or something.

[Zach]

We bought a center console and an E brake handle. Like things that were cracked up and stuff. This didn't have those problems, which is very nice. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

When starting with a brand new car that's luxurious living. But we got some high quality companies to donate some Incredible. Not donate, throw in, purchase, whatever, some incredibly high quality parts for the car and you're gonn a package that's really pretty special. Pretty, pretty special. So obviously we're gonna have details on it when we have a link. When we have what you do, there is going to be a charitable element to the giveaway. We're not gonna bullshit you. We're gonna be making some money on this. And the people that run the framework, they make some money on it. It's their business. But there is a charitable element to it. And to buy any merch, it's just straight up entries.

[Zach]

So if you have enough coffee mugs.

[Matt Farah]

If you have a lot of coffee mugs from. You don't need to buy any more coffee mugs. It's just that. And obviously there is the old no purchase necessary option as well. They make you jump through a lot of hoops. But there is a free way as well.

[Zach]

Technically and legally you can enter for free.

[Matt Farah]

Yes. So, yeah, 911 Turbo S. Pretty crazy stuff.

[Zach]

Really crazy stuff. We were at Larry Chen's today. We're like, this is our giveaway card. And his face was like, he was like, what?

[Matt Farah]

How?

[Zach]

Who? Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But it's go. It's gonna go back to them because it's gotta sit in a bonded warehouse while the content is contest is running. So we have to say goodbye to it, unfortunately.

[Zach]

Sick.

[Matt Farah]

But what a nice thing that is. Wow. Mm mm. Delicious. The other, the other thing I wanted to talk about was this Waymo thing in San Francisco, which is hysterical. Guys, one more break today because support is coming in from true work. Zach and I were up on the mountain today and Zach was wearing his true work coat. I noticed it. But we had four different weathers today. We had cold and windy and then we had just regular cold and then we had like hot and then we had a cooling off and then it was hot again. And Zach was ready for all of it because he was wearing true work. I was not ready for it because I was just wearing a regular sweatshirt unprepared. And he was prepared. And you could be prepared like Zach was on the mountain today by rocking your own TrueWerk. They set out to make workwear that keeps pros comfortable, capable and ready for whatever the day throws at them. Like four different weathers designed with advanced performance fabrics for lasting comfort, all day mobility and year round job site protection. Every piece is tested on job sites with the trade pros. So when conditions change, you're still ready. Now, now if you happen to find yourself On a mountain. I do recommend a TrueWerk coat. If you find yourself, let's say, crawling all over a construction site, I recommend their pants. If you are doing some actual morning workout in a cold, damp, dank environment. I have their hoodie that is incredibly awesome. And you can upgrade your day with workwear built like it matters. Get 15% off your first order at truework.com CodeTire that's T-R-U-E-W-E-R-K.com, codeTire. And now back to the program. And a bunch of people sent it to me. Road and Track wrote about it. Who wrote that? Lucas wrote it for Road and Track. So there was a power outage. And the way it was told to me was that there was a power outage and all the waymos just froze. Which is not what happened. There was a power outage that killed all the fucking traffic lights. And all the waymos got real confused. And because waymos are so passive, like, the other cars were able to kind of get through. But also there's a video. It's just crazy. But it wasn't like I thought when someone said it to me. I thought it was like they bricked. They bricked.

[Zach]

You thought it was a software issue?

[Matt Farah]

Yes.

[Zach]

The server got shut down and all of a sudden they just stopped.

[Matt Farah]

Stopped.

[Zach]

And all of a sudden.

[Matt Farah]

Yes. I thought it was a red flag. It was not a red flag. It was. This is. This video is incredible. And you can kind of just. Even if you just hear the audio, you can kind of understand what is going on. So the traffic light is out.

[Zach]

So it doesn't move soon.

[Matt Farah]

But there's just a Waymo right in the middle of an.

[Zach]

The pan.

[Matt Farah]

But then you pan left and there's nine. Something like nine or ten Waymos lined up behind this one. Stuck. Waymo not going. Not going around.

[Zach]

And they all have their hazards on.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Like the one in the intersection has its hazards on, but all of the ones behind it, you know, they're like signaling to other waymos. Like, come help.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Like, without. It seems like without a working traffic signal, they're literally unable to make a decision.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's an interesting thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. There was. In the Road and Track story that Lucas wrote, there was a statement from Waymo that was saying that, like, it said, quote, oops. It said, no. It's a small percentage of the overall fleet. Most of them were continuing operating without whatever. And of course, Elon Musk says that fucking. The Tesla ones were unaffected by the Power outage is that?

[Zach]

Cause they're in Austin, Texas.

[Matt Farah]

It's cuz they're not real robo taxis actually. Cuz they just drive through red lights anyway.

[Zach]

They're just driven by people. When did Waymos say there was a story?

[Matt Farah]

If Elon wants to talk shit, maybe he wants to talk about the story that was up today. About 15 people that burned in Teslas cause they couldn't open the door handles. Whoa. Which there's now a lawsuit about. But I thought it was kind of funny. It's just like. Autonomous driving is an amazing bit of technology, but the ways in which it is limiting are pretty fucking funny actually.

[Zach]

Cause I rode in the car and you've been in plenty of Waymos. You can see that it sees the stop sign or it sees the light and it's got a color screen and it's. It's. There's a screen in the back of a Waymo to show you the passenger. Here's what I'm seeing. And it definitely makes you feel more comfortable. It worked on me. But it sees the red stop sign. Even if it's, you know, there's a bush over it and it's dimly lit. But here it arrived at this intersection and it didn't get that input data point of like hey, the light is red or green or yellow.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

And it's like, you know, someone who's totally colorblind and all sudden the lights have been inverted or something and they're out of order and then goes oh, I don't know what to do.

[Matt Farah]

It is funny that it doesn't. Well either it defaults to treat this like a stop sign, which is what.

[Zach]

That's in the California rulebook, which is.

[Matt Farah]

What you're supposed to do. But in the case of this intersection, the rest of it, people were just fucking free for all ing around and people were walking, whatever. And so it was just being so passive because that's what they do, they just are passive. So maybe it was being passive and the other ones just, just like didn't funkin get around.

[Zach]

They just railroaded it.

[Matt Farah]

Just railroaded it.

[Zach]

Yeah. So the Waymo is sitting there waiting for everyone to follow. You know, either person whether to your. The person to your right gets the.

[Matt Farah]

Right of way and just nobody actually goes. So. But play it again. Okay, so there's one, there's one in front of the crosswalk that's semi blocking the. The center.

[Zach]

So funny. So right now the Waymo should have gone, yeah, but that person.

[Matt Farah]

It's just not the yellow and there's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. I think. I think 5. I thought there were more, but it was just regular cars. So there's five waymos stuck behind the crosswalk with their hazards on.

[Zach]

Do you think the other waymos were saying encouraging things to the Waymo like, you can do it, Billy.

[Matt Farah]

The one on the bottom right doesn't seem totally stuck. It inched up about like three feet. Like, it inched up like it was like looking to make a right turn there, but then it didn't like, look, once that pedestrian crosses. Wait, hang on. It's gonna. It's gonna pull back. We should go over, dude, one of these days. Because, you know the Waymo lot. Watch this 1 inch up on the bottom. It does like seem like it's indicating like it's about to try to like go somewhere and then it gives up.

[Zach]

That's the brave one.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Like that one. It moves and then it stops.

[Zach]

Move three inches.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, yeah, it didn't move very far, but yeah. We should go over to the lot across the street where the waymos go to sleep.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

At like 8 o' clock in the morning and just watch them like ants marching off. It's like. It's a wild thing to see. It's right by the blue bottle.

[Zach]

We could do that 100, whatever.

[Matt Farah]

The you got me here was really good. Yeah, I don't cold brew one sugar with the foam. Correct.

[Zach]

Yeah, exactly. Nice. Chosen. Well, I like, we could time lapse that and just watch all the waymos go.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. That's fucking crazy.

[Zach]

It's weird to see them all hanging out there and they all face the same direction in that parking lot and they have blinking lights and they're all waiting for orders.

[Matt Farah]

We. I was wondering if they. If they sit in the parking lot until summoned or if they scatter. Because I think they sort of scatter at when shift starts and I don't think they have to get very far before they get summoned. Summoned.

[Zach]

I think that's true.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think if they all just sat there.

[Zach]

They don't sit there because there's a couple that sit around the corner from my place, which is a few blocks from.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. So they leave the parking lot and then they post up just waiting by your house.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

Like, like other, you know, like Lyft or taxi do. Otherwise, if they had to always emanate from that one place. Be a longer time to get to their. Their passengers.

[Matt Farah]

It's still.

[Zach]

It's really funny. What a funny thing and now they have to program around this. Like this is. These things have been driving around for how many years now with really successful. And somehow this anomaly, either they didn't program for it or they haven't encountered it, I guess, which seems surprising.

[Matt Farah]

That seems weird. Yeah.

[Zach]

It's kind of funny. They don't have a solution for it.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, maybe if there's a power outage, normally there's like a battery backup and the traffic lights default to like blinking red and not like totally out.

[Zach]

That's true, that's true.

[Matt Farah]

Maybe, maybe, maybe. But there should be a protocol for full off traffic lights. I do. I mean, look, with respect to. I think it was called Kit Kat, the cat that the Waymo ran over. And I think a Waymo hit another dog recently. Most of the time when Waymos fuck up, it's in a funny way and not in a way where it's like my uncle died a horrific death. You know, it didn't send someone off an embankment at 80 miles an hour.

[Zach]

Like you're saying like Elon can make fun of this, but when his car's fucking.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. People think he drives themselves and it drives underneath the semi truck and fucking Jayne Mansfield's your ass, dude.

[Zach]

Like in broad daylight.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not, that's not. This, this is funny.

[Zach]

I agree. It's harmless.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Like these are the fucking edge cases. Not the ones where, you know, know people are dying.

[Zach]

Right. Not this.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. RIP KitKat though. That cat, that cat was apparently extremely legit.

[Zach]

Do you know, do you know that it's friends?

[Matt Farah]

No, there was a, there was a, there was like a memorial for it. Like this cat in San Francisco, like Bodega cat.

[Zach]

Oh.

[Matt Farah]

Apparently ran under a Waymo as people were getting in it.

[Zach]

Got it.

[Matt Farah]

And the Waymo drove off and ran over the cat.

[Zach]

Cat.

[Matt Farah]

And like, because there's no fucking human there, like it just sort of, you know, it wasn't like.

[Zach]

Well. And even, even if there was a human, would the human driver have known that was happening?

[Matt Farah]

No, no, for sure. Of course. And humans run over pets and animals like all the time. Like it's. That's a thing that happens and that the vast majority of time the person should be forgiven for because it's not intentional. And like even the description of the incident, it's hard to blame the Waymo because the Waymo. Like if an animal just runs under a car and you're at the driver, like, you know what I mean? You would not see that either. So I think I read. I mean, who knows what they'll fucking do it. But I read that the statement was they apologized and they made a donation to the animal shelter. Who knows if they fucking did, but okay. And that they were gonna put. Put sensors.

[Zach]

No way.

[Matt Farah]

Motion sensors underneath the car, which. I mean, very cool. Yeah, like good. Like, hey, that is like an appropriate and mature reaction to the inevitable death of a living thing at the hands of this kind of stuff.

[Zach]

Yeah. You know, you could remove sensors and just use one camera that looks at the sky. That's pretty cool.

[Matt Farah]

Exactly.

[Zach]

I saw a heartwarming.

[Matt Farah]

It looks up there.

[Zach]

Awkward Pointing, as it were.

[Matt Farah]

Everyone feel free to freeze frame that.

[Zach]

I think your arm was mostly out of frame, but yeah, use it cut.

[Matt Farah]

To black, you know, above, above here. Just put a black box above here.

[Zach]

Like the Epstein files.

[Matt Farah]

Make this.

[Zach]

Just redact the whole show.

[Matt Farah]

Can you redact that?

[Zach]

The whole show not show anything except for five words and a picture they inserted of Michael Jackson that actually had nothing to do with.

[Matt Farah]

Well, dude, I mean, but the problem is like, look now because of stupid fucking AI, like I don't, I don't trust any of that shit now. You could fuck. I could chatgpt, you know, or whatever the image one is. Nano Banana, you know, show me fucking Trump being, you know, fucking blown by a teenager with his arm around Jeffrey Epstein and a fucking black box over most of his face. Like, you know what I mean? The dumb.

[Zach]

But I think that's, and that's the timing of this is so fortunate for the people who are in those files because they can. If this was five years ago and if the only AI was in the.

[Matt Farah]

Files and heavily investing in AI in crypto right now.

[Zach]

Because if this was a few years ago when the only AI image creation was. Remember Dall E when it first came out and everything looked like a dripping clock, people would be like, you can't blame that for that.

[Matt Farah]

No. I hope you people enjoyed photographic evidence while it was thing. You know what I mean?

[Zach]

Like, well, today, you know, today, unfortunately, we saw the video of these two folks that crashed in a Ferrari in the Canyons and they, I think they tragically passed away. One guy was Vince, the guy that worked at. We didn't know him, we just read about it. But when we saw the video, it was a very grainy video. It was like, it was almost like 480p, which these days is weird and suspicious because everyone's got a 4K camera in their hand and we, I, I don't know, it was, you or one of my friends were like, oh, is this just an AI video? Like, did someone. Is someone trying to, you know, spark everyone's interest and make something scary? But it's actually fake. And sadly, it is real.

[Matt Farah]

Both people died.

[Zach]

It's at least one. I don't know about both I saw, but one.

[Matt Farah]

I don't watch that video.

[Zach]

Yeah, don't.

[Matt Farah]

But if it. Wow. Were they going fast?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Jesus. Onto other things. Sorry, I didn't mean to drag back to talk. Yes. Man, this one's tough. Zach just pulled up this photo. I actually talked about this on Spike's show. He likes it.

[Zach]

Well, does he love Coca Cola and the Santa campaign?

[Matt Farah]

So this is a. So now you know. Now Porsche is getting into the reimagining game. Okay, they couldn't possibly. Porsche's gotta be so mad that they can't build a Singer Turbo.

[Zach]

Sure. They're leaving so much money on the table.

[Matt Farah]

People are willing to pay a fortune for that. And Porsche could if they wanted to build a Singer Turbo, but they can't because of regulations and shit and all kinds of things. So they're now in the reimagining game. Mr. Jerry Seinfeld fucking made me feel fucking eight inches tall when I asked him about how he felt about the Speedster, not knowing that he had owned the only ever 993 speedster before that. That. Good moment. But Porsche motorsport, Porsche cars, North America, is it pmna? It's Porsche Classic. Porsche Classic is the one. They are doing it. So they are reimagining cars to the extent that they can. Pretty much means a factory restoration, but cosmetically altered in whatever way the owner sees fit. So they're doing paint jobs, they're doing different color wheels, they're doing different material things like that. So this one has a. Has a livery from a vintage race car. And I think this falls into the same category. It's red with white, like stripy scallops and a big meatball on the side with a 23. Because obviously this is Michael Jordan's car. It's not.

[Zach]

It's not. It's. The owner's listed in the article.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It's not.

[Zach]

It's Victor Gomez.

[Matt Farah]

Victor Gomez. That sounds right. And look, I, you know, you know, this is this guy's dream Carrera gt. Like, fucking have at it, buddy. Like, whatever. Porsche's not trying to show this picture because they're trying to sell it to me. This is what they did for a guy. So the idea that someone who was maybe 15 or 16 in 2000 is now 35 to 45 years old. And they couldn't have one of these then, but they don't want a silver one now. They want whatever. And it needs to go in for major service and bushings and all this and that. And while you're in there, you know, how about Miami Blue or whatever? We were at that Cars and Coffee, the Helms Bakery, and Franz von Holzhausen showed up in a blue Carrera gt. Light blue. That was, like, fucking hot. It was fucking so sick. Tan interiors, like, amazing. But, like, remember when we got that 911 Targa Heritage Edition with the just incredible corduroy interior?

[Zach]

Perfect interior.

[Matt Farah]

And then it had the dumb scallops on it, that sticker package.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think those 50s and 60s liveries look good on these modern cars at all.

[Zach]

The 911R, when those stripes are on it, I just think the spacing's weird. I understand it's historical. Yeah. But just looks weird. It may have just been from a different era when, like, people thought they looked cool. Or was it just to identify the car on the track and it was helpful? I don't know, but I just think it looks weird in terms of the spacing of it all and the size of the stripes and, you know, stuff like this. I don't know. This is just this. I think my mind is so stuck on all the hubbub that's going on about Coca Cola making an AI commercial. And it's Christmas time right now as we're making this. And this popped up on my feed, and this is, Santa had a Carrera gt. I mean, this is what it would look like, red with white scalp. So that came to mind. But I agree with you that the whole, like, delivery of this new car is a carryover from this old classic car. I think it rarely works in a really good way. And most of the time, time, I think it comes across a little bit as, like, just a little bit of an imposter. Like, even the Golf stuff, everyone loved Golf livery for so long, and I didn't really get it. I'm like, if you put 76, you know, or Shell station on everything, I get it. It was. They were part of the racing team because they gave them the money. But is it aesthetically the prettiest thing in the world?

[Matt Farah]

I'm not that into Golf either. But, like, I think it's like, I don't mind a red Carrera gt. Like, red is fine. I've seen red. One looks cool. But, like, with the 911 Heritage Edition that had the scallops which were the top of the pontoon Fender scallops. That was off a 356. It was like a racing thing from back then. And when you have those, when you see a356 with them on a much smaller daintier car, the scallops make a little more sense. You know, it's a much different scaled detail on that other car.

[Zach]

Sure, great point.

[Matt Farah]

And on this car it just. To me. Oh, there's the angle. It just looks really weird on this big car.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's a good point. Because now you're taking it from a totally different model and you're going, what if we apply that to this? Does it work?

[Matt Farah]

Everything else about this car is awesome.

[Zach]

Dude. This car with just that red Target Heritage, no stickers. Oh my God, no notes. Excellent.

[Matt Farah]

Perfect car, perfect road trip vehicle. No notes whatsoever. But that, that, all of that's got to go. And you can see that, that upper three quarter angle there you can see. Imagine a 356 coupe. That would make some sense. I mean it's. That's not my favorite but like it would, it wouldn't be awful.

[Zach]

I'd have to. Let me look it up.

[Matt Farah]

It also looks, it looks a lot better if you have like a white car with red scallops than a red car with white scallops. Because there's nothing else that's like white on the car. It's just white stickers and there's nothing else in the car that matches white. White is tough. Like white stickers.

[Zach]

That's tough. It's just a really sharp contrast here. And you know, I don't think you'd want to make the stickers the color of the interior interior.

[Matt Farah]

Cream.

[Zach]

Cream.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

But it's just kind of. It's a jarring color. It's suddenly the absence of color in this very nice metallic red.

[Matt Farah]

I think that's why I think that red is so rich too. Also like on the 356, that would have been like a pretty flat red, you know, like a lacquer almost. This is like carmine red. It's like super candy metallic red.

[Zach]

Alright, so here's.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So you can imagine. And those scallops on the fender of this car, it's still not my favorite look, but it does make a little more sense.

[Zach]

Yeah, I think it just makes sense with the era. And also actually a big thing is look at the curve of these fenders is just much more obvious. Like the way it drops down into the. I don't know, the curve is more pronounced here on the front of the fender. And the whole car is more bubbly. And I feel like the scallops kind of lend themselves almost like an accent mark to the overall curve. And here, when you look at. Because the cars have gotten so big, like this line also, because it's just white, looks really flat from the headlight. It's much straighter. Yeah, I don't think that helps it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, it doesn't help the Carrera GT either.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's not my choice.

[Zach]

I do. I think it's cool that you can just send your car if you're, you know, if you're super rich, you can get it refreshed, made exactly the way you'd want it in whatever color you want. And it's from the place where it won't hurt what the value is. You know, it's done by the right company.

[Matt Farah]

It's like. It's like 600 grand plus whatever the car needs mechanically.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Because they probably take it all apart. Yeah. Every panel.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And, you know, and they're doing it. Classic's doing it with. You know, it's really popular with them right now is Rs4 liters. Because everybody wants the 997R. And they were all, like, black or white or silver. Very few of them were any other color besides that.

[Zach]

So people are getting custom.

[Matt Farah]

So people are getting them done in, like, colors now. I saw three when I was at. In Atlanta getting the 918. They walked me through there. They wouldn't let me take any pictures of anything.

[Zach]

That's pretty cool.

[Matt Farah]

And I saw three of them, and two were amazing and one was absolutely fucking hideous. They're not saying no to people. They're letting people do whatever they want. And, like, one of the other Carrera GTs I saw was amazing. And one was worse than this. Notably worse than this. Yeah.

[Zach]

That's a bold choice, right, people?

[Matt Farah]

Because there's some resale, you're gonna start seeing some shit.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, one of the things about a Carrera GT or an F40 or an F50 is because of the small color palette, the resales are actually pretty consistent. You know, like, color doesn't really come into play.

[Zach]

Your personal taste doesn't really matter. The car is the car.

[Matt Farah]

Right. Whereas with a lot of other Porsches, like GT3s and shit, like, you know, like, wild colors can be huge money. Or people like, oh, what the fuck that is. Yeah.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

So you gotta, like, choose Carefully.

[Zach]

Yeah. Choose wisely.

[Matt Farah]

You know, like, your shit may or may not be investment grade anymore, you know.

[Zach]

Yeah. And plus, like, people's interest in colors goes in kind of a cycle. Like, I think everyone's really into green right now.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And I'm not saying it's just like, I've just noticed around town there's more greens on 20, 25 and 2026 cars. But a few years ago, lots of blues. Few years before that, like, lots of it was, you know, this. The chalk color for sure. That was the Miami blue. Yeah. Yeah. So you can choose a color for your restored career. Gt and you better hope that it's like an evergreen, no pun intended, color everybody likes all the time.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean. I mean, you know, respect to Franz's taste in dope. His. His was awesome. It was really cool. I would. I would have one pretty much just like that. Wow. I forget if it was like, if it was Miami or Mexico or. It was one of those very bright blues with a fabulous tan interior. It was pretty sweet. Yeah. I also saw Derek Jenkins from Lucid. Saw him on Sunday in his Countach. You know he's got a Countach. He has an 86 injected car. This motherfucker parked it up, door closed, no backup camera. No spotter did it fucking right up without even sticking his head out the door. No sitting on the door sill.

[Zach]

Probably just backed up.

[Matt Farah]

Just backed it right in, door closed, the rear. Visibility on this car is very bad.

[Zach]

I bet that's why I just use my side mirror in relation to my neighbor, and you kind of go, well, I hope the cars are about the same size.

[Matt Farah]

No, he backed it up against two curbs into a parking spot with no other car as a reference. Just two low curbs, which on those mirrors. That's very tough.

[Zach]

That is impressive.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that is very tough.

[Zach]

In fact, the rear valence on the Countach is high. Right. Isn't like everything angled up.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not gonna curve. You're not gonna hit bodywork.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Probably not on the rear. Yeah. Oh. Actually, go to the photos of tagged in. I think that on top, the top right icon there, I think the Carrera go down that. That's the Carrera GT I was just talking about.

[Zach]

Oh, wow.

[Matt Farah]

Like that. That is pretty exceptional.

[Zach]

It's hot.

[Matt Farah]

Yep, Yep. That's the. That is absolutely the right color for that kind of a car, right?

[Zach]

Yeah. With matching calipers and the center cap. Perfect.

[Matt Farah]

I think. I think Graham built that car.

[Zach]

Damn.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. The matching center center lock thing. The anodized is pretty good.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's really, really, really good. Yeah, of course it is. He's a car designer.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Why. Why would it not be aces?

[Zach]

I was posting. I posted these.

[Matt Farah]

I thought it was tan. Oh, wow. What was I looking at with the tan interior? All right, my eyes just see me. I would not make a good witness for crimes sometimes.

[Zach]

That's true.

[Matt Farah]

It's. It is. I could have sworn this.

[Zach]

Did you just want the interior to be a lighter color mat? Is that what you're saying?

[Matt Farah]

What the hell? I was looking at, it was this blue with a tan interior.

[Zach]

Huh.

[Matt Farah]

How about that? That's very strange. That still looks dope, though. Wow. Even if. Even if I was wrong about that, it still looks.

[Zach]

That is perfect. Mm. Nicely done, sir.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Very, very good. Shall we go to the people?

[Zach]

Yeah. Oh, wow. 52 minutes.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Zach]

52.

[Matt Farah]

That's what I'm saying. Motherfucker. Over on Patreon. Patreon.com. the Smokingtirepodcast. That's where you find all the things. It's where you catch the live stream. It's where you get the show early. It's where you get extra show. It's where you get shows without ads. It's where you get to see my balls. Nope, not that. That's a different site.

[Zach]

That's a different website.

[Matt Farah]

OnlyFans.com. the Smoking Tire podcast. That's where you get to see my balls, man.

[Zach]

If there wasn't one, there is now.

[Matt Farah]

I know someone's gonna make that shit. And of course, it's where our patrons have the best usernames of fucking anybody around. Let's see, what do we have here? Here. Beep, beep. Noodle is the username Chat GPT gave me. I like that you say that isn't like murder is the case that they gave me BBB Noodle is the name chatgpt gave me. Don't you think a Dino tribute would have been a better fit for the 296 than the F40? Yes, I do. But for our Ferrari, I think still has a bit of a chip on their shoulder about the Dino not being like a real Ferrari, I guess.

[Zach]

Which is sad considering how celebrated it became. And they use it to help market themselves when they want to. Aesthetically, the 296 is much closer to a Dino than an F40.

[Matt Farah]

And the Testarossa is. LOL. Yeah. I mean, that F40. Can you pull up the 296 F40 tribute. I thought this car looked strange. I don't think the 296 and the F40 were all that compatible in terms of design. I think the end result is this looks like a Maserati MC20.

[Zach]

Yep. Sure does.

[Matt Farah]

More than anything else.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

As a matter of fact, if you ask me if I would rather drive this or a Maserati MC Stradale. Not even like. Not an MC20. This looks like an MC12. Sorry. MC12. The old one. The Enzo one.

[Zach]

Got it.

[Matt Farah]

I'd rather have an MC20 than fucking this MC. 20s are pretty.

[Zach]

I don't think they're pretty, but I'd have to see them side by side before I made my choice. I'm just not into the MC12. Never have been.

[Matt Farah]

No. What about an MC20?

[Zach]

The new one.

[Matt Farah]

The new one.

[Zach]

I think that's gorgeous.

[Matt Farah]

That's pretty.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I'd rather have an MC20 than the this. This Ferrari.

[Zach]

Aesthetically, absolutely agree.

[Matt Farah]

It's a weird looking car, man.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's a couple different. I don't know. Yeah, we talked about it.

[Matt Farah]

This is what Ferrari is doing right now. They're putting three cars in one car.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's like. It feels like it. Honestly, with. From this shot. This is. We're looking at a wide shot. It looks like this door, because of the crease and the way the light's hitting it looks like this door was photoshopped onto a different car. Like this is three cars. Cars. That's what it looks like.

[Matt Farah]

It does the center section, the nose and the rear. It looks like the nose and the rear are from one car, but the center section's from a different car.

[Zach]

Yeah. It looks like the nose in the rear from the what? F80. Right. And then the middle is from something else.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

This whole intake thing is strange. And we looked at this weeks ago when it came out, but I remember that this intake is like. What's the word I'm looking for? It's very angular. It's like three straight lines that intersect and then the rest of the car is very round and swoopy.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Just looks really weird and disjointed in my opinion.

[Matt Farah]

I'm not that into it.

[Zach]

No. 296 is a great looking car. And they definitely could have called it the Dino and probably. I don't probably.

[Matt Farah]

But this is a one off. This is a one off joint. This is like a coach built thing for somebody with really, really bad taste. That's awful. Duffel Shuffle retirement club. What do you eat for Christmas. Us Jews, we fuck with the Chinese. That's what we do, right?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Isn't that. I mean, that's like. There's a.

[Zach]

The cliche is we go to the movies and we get Chinese food because that's what's open and that's what's not too busy. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And last year I went and got Chinese food. There's a. There's. There's a place in LA called Genghis Koen, which is the perfect Chinese restaurant to go on Christmas.

[Zach]

I love. Have you seen the show Kunk on everything? Very funny. British comedian. Like, red haired.

[Matt Farah]

I know what it is.

[Zach]

But she's so good at like the fake history interviews. And she put up a thing today that was like, I just can't believe he's gone. And it was like the 750th anniversary of Genghis Khan dying.

[Matt Farah]

So good. Oh, man. Christian says, what are some of your favorite and funniest memories of working at Gotham Dream Cars? There were a lot. Cause it was like kind of. Kind of like little Wild Westy back then. We didn't really know it at the time, but we got to drive the cars a lot more than they got to drive the cars later. I mean, we probably shouldn't have been driving the cars, but that's why those guys got into that business in the first place. So it was only natural that all the employees wanted the same thing, which was to drive the cars. So.

[Zach]

So we did well in delivering them. I think it was like we had one trailer, so a lot of times we'd have to drive the car to a customer and someone else would follow us. And then they would, you know, Thaddeus would follow me, we'd drop off a 599 and then we would give each other rides back.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean, if it was less than 10 or 15 miles, you'd drive the car, and if it was more than that, you'd trailer it. So you did get a decent amount of seat time in all the cars. And so that was that. I mean, when I was like 24, 4 to 30. So I was fucking having a little fun myself, obviously. I mean, and some of the customers were real crazy. Not like just like you'd rent a Ferrari to someone in the Hamptons for like a weekend. You know, you'd drop it off at this house in the Hamptons and you'd come back on Monday to get it, and the thing had only gone like six miles. But it's like it looked like someone smoked seven packs of cigarettes. In there. Like, how did you have enough time to smoke this many cigarettes? You must have literally just sat there in the car, going nowhere and smoking cigarettes. That must have been what you did all weekend.

[Zach]

Do you think they just drove it to a club and sat in front and just waited till the club let out?

[Matt Farah]

Something like that, yes. Or they just sat in traffic and smoking with the windows up for some reason. I mean, we gave them the huge bill for that kind of thing, but shit like that. And then the other end, where they would put it. They would put so many miles on in the day, where you'd go, did you just drive for, like, 24 hours straight? And sometimes they'd be like, yes.

[Zach]

You know, which I. And I applaud, that kind of thing. Drive your dream. For sure.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. That was nuts.

[Zach]

My favorite memory, we did the Gotham Driving tour once, remember, in Malibu, And I had to drive one of the cars because I think it was, like, an influencer thing. So, like, five people were brought in to ride in the cars but not drive them.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach]

And then four people got to drive. And you needed one extra driver.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So I think you were in the lead. I drove the 599. And this woman, who. I will leave her name out of this, and I would like to specify with full truth, Never hooked up with her, never dated her, never asked her out, et cetera. We're driving with the windows down and all the lead cars kind of. It's in Malibu. There's a straightaway, everyone goes for a little rip. So I do the same thing to keep up with the group, as we'll say. And the car screaming. And she's got, like, her arm out the window to take a photo or video. And all of a sudden, she yells in a very thick, like, Jersey accent, oh, my God, my boob popped out. And, like, the wind. Cause the wind coming around, like, the buffeting mirrors just rips into the car. And, like, literally ripped her shirt open. And she turned away from me and, like, fixed her situation. But I was. At the time, I was unhappy with that employment for a couple of reasons we don't have to go into. But in that moment, I was pretty stoked on my job. Yeah, I saw nothing. But it was one of the funniest moments I've ever had in a car.

[Matt Farah]

That'S, like, from the Italian Job, where Seth Green gets a stereo that, like, blows a woman's clothes off, like, literally.

[Zach]

Exactly.

[Matt Farah]

Wow.

[Zach]

This really.

[Matt Farah]

You know, you're really selling me on this manual swab.599 just don't put those.

[Zach]

Things on the side mirrors that you know, direct the air around the cab. You want the air to go into the cab.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach]

Magic day.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, and I mean there was my favorite of all time, which I'm sure I've said before, but there was a guy who rented the same car for a half day rental like once a week for like a couple months. Great. And we would always. He would always request the same car. And, and we had. It was a Gallardo and we had like three or four yellow Gallardos and they were all yellow and they were all had black interior except one had a. A two tone black and yellow interior. But the rest were all the same. And, and he would. It turns out the guy had like met this chick and told her that it was his car and had to keep up appearances. So he had to keep renting the car. Well, once the one he rented was the black with the yellow. Well, once it was in service. But we didn't know. He didn't let us in on the scam. Right. So we were just bringing him the car. We thought he liked that car. I want that same car. I want the same car. Well, it's available. It's available. Well, this time, you know, we gave him a say. It's a yellow Lambo. What the fuck you care? You know what I mean? A normal client, it's a yellow Lambo. What do you care? Well, he had to figure out how to tell the girl what's the. So he says it's a service loaner. His other one is in the shop. Well, eventually this goes on. He asks her to marry him. She says yes. And rather than say he's sold the car or anything else, he buys the rental car from us to keep up appearances. Which is a crazy thing have done. I mean, unless it's like, you know, it's somehow now sentimental and he really does want that car. But like whatever. But he bought the rental car to keep up his lie.

[Zach]

That's a wild. He made two commitments through his dating life. And one was to like lead this woman on. And the other one, he's just guaranteeing his own lifestyle. Creep. That he's gonna have to buy this car someday to keep up the lie. So he's just giving himself future maintenance.

[Matt Farah]

You think Gotham gave him a discount because he rented it so much?

[Zach]

I do not. No, I do not.

[Matt Farah]

Isaiah Stanley wants to remind everyone it's the giving season and to give blood. Sign up for Be the match, et cetera. I think Be the Match has a new name, I think. Be the Match rebranded as something else.

[Zach]

It's giving.NMDP.org great.

[Matt Farah]

That's way easier to remember. Thanks, guys.

[Zach]

Oh, sorry. MNDP.com, formally be the match. Match.

[Matt Farah]

MNDP.

[Zach]

Like Nancy, Mary, Donald, Peter.

[Matt Farah]

Boy, that is NMDP. You should just keep the URL. Guys, we're trying to help here.

[Zach]

NMDP, national marrow donor Program.

[Matt Farah]

Well, that makes sense.

[Zach]

Yeah, but like, I'm with you, you.

[Matt Farah]

Know, Be the Match was catchy.

[Zach]

They should have just kept both. Just keep the old website. Yeah, have it redirect.

[Matt Farah]

I think you need to be 42 or under for Be the Match, but if not, you should.

[Zach]

We did a toy drive at my building. Do that. Do something. It feels good.

[Matt Farah]

I bought Tesla FSD and all I got was this lousy T shirt says Opinion of the devil 16. They apparently delivered a V8 version of the car to customers in 2022, but there's no statistics.

[Zach]

Have we ever heard of another car company having a car in development for a decade? Yeah, we can get to that.

[Matt Farah]

That just keeps kicking the can down the road.

[Zach]

Uh huh. Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Was that a joke?

[Zach]

No, that's the second part of the question.

[Matt Farah]

No, no, I know, but was that this person's username was a Tesla reference. The Tesla Roadster.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah, that's the one.

[Matt Farah]

Is the other car.

[Zach]

Well, there's that one and there's the Aptera.

[Matt Farah]

Solar powered tricycle.

[Zach]

There's a lot of it.

[Matt Farah]

No, so the devel 16 was this car that this guy said was gonna be 5000 horsepower. So do you know what this was? This was a top fuel dragster engine put into a car. That's all it was.

[Zach]

It was a 16 cylinder dragster engine.

[Matt Farah]

I was told that it was essentially a top fuel powertrain, but that it has no real cooling and so it just essentially can't run.

[Zach]

Can I say how absolutely insane what you're saying is? Because on their website, the seventh word is launched at Dubai International Motor show, you know, where you need cooling for your vehicle in the Middle East.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, the last I heard was that this car couldn't run because it wasn't like a real car. I mean, it was like a. Yeah.

[Zach]

I remember this thing. I remember the press photos vividly.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Unveiled in 2017. It looks. I mean, it looks like it goes 8,000 miles per hour and it's from future. So they delivered a few with V8s. Oh, yeah. And also said it was gonna have 5,000 horsepower.

[Matt Farah]

That was the thing. I mean, that was the claim. The rest of it, it's like, okay, it's a swoopy supercar, like a bunch of other ones. But like, I mean, it just, it. I think it was sort of vapory.

[Zach]

Wear, like, or like so many tech things. Like, we're gonna do this. We need the money now. And then we'll figure out how to do this.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I don't want to bullshit, so I probably wouldn't give him any money. Okay. Panic at my disco says a recent discussion the boys were having on the Cars and Bids podcast got me. Okay. We get to react to something that someone else said. My favorite about how the slowing of EV sales may represent the end of an era of higher than expected demand for EVs, as well as the accelerated development for manufacturers. Will we look back at this period and compare it to the muscle car era of the 60s, malaise era of the 80s? Is this what. What this was? No, I mean, I think there's this, like, first off, peak internal combustion sales were 2017 and have been going. Have been down since. So, like, EV sales are growing, like the slowing of EV sales. EV sales is still growing. Just the rate at which they are growing is slowing. You know what I'm saying? That's like saying that inflation is down. It doesn't mean that money is back to where it was in 2020. It just means that it's going up fucking slower than it was going up.

[Zach]

Right. This article from Inside EV says EV sales are on track for their first year over year drop since 2019. So you're selling more and more and more of them every year until this year.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. But the, the tax sales were taken away.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's a huge hit to them. Absolutely.

[Matt Farah]

I think in general, globally, EV sales are growing. I do think ultimately we will get there.

[Zach]

Global EV sales jumped 21% in 2025 as Europe surged.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, that's a lot. 21% is a lot.

[Zach]

It's a huge jump.

[Matt Farah]

It's a big jump. I think. I don't think it was reasonable to say that banning internal combustion engines in 2030 or 2035, I don't think that was a reasonable thing to say. But I also don't think getting rid of all the incentives and fucking gutting the EPA and saying, have at it, hellcat boys, that's not gonna help either. That's so fucking dumb. So, I mean, I think eventually we will see a mostly electrified fleet out there eventually. And we should incentivize it. And we should incentivize the studies are out there. These cars are cleaner in general, they're very safe, they're very clean. The batteries are lasting longer than original predictions. They're decaying less than original predictions. Particularly batteries that have active liquid cooling. The batteries that fail most of the time are like old leaf batteries and shit that are air cooled and have just like fins. Like if you have active cooling, like the batteries are really good. So I mean, I don't know, but yeah, Saab93 AeroPress launch like that, that's one I would have loved to have gone on a Saab launch.

[Zach]

I saw a 92X the other day and I went, should I buy one of these? I know it's a WRX, but I've just, I've loved them since I was 20.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And I need to scratch the edge.

[Matt Farah]

I mean I was so disappointed driving the 9.3 Viggen, but man, did I want to love the 9.3 Viggen.

[Zach]

They look good.

[Matt Farah]

I learned to drive stick on a 900 Turbo. It was fucking great. It was cool. Do you still make coffee with the AeroPress? If so, what are your go to recipes and methods? I do an Aeropress once in a while. I really like the Aeropress if I have to be somewhere away from, from, you know, good coffee. Like we're going sailing in March, we're gonna be kettle and aeropress for pretty much the whole week, right?

[Zach]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

I mean I don't, we don't wanna be fucking with pods and all that shit out there.

[Zach]

I use my Aeropress anytime I make coffee at home, that's what I use.

[Matt Farah]

I make a pot at home. I mean some call it a pour over but I have like the pour over machines are so funny cause they're just fancy looking. Fucking Mr. Coffee that you have to operate yourself. Yeah, basically. So I have like a Cuisinart that's essentially a Mr. Coffee and I coffee. And as long as your brew ratio is correct and you have a nice burr grinder, you grind fresh beans, no problem. So if I'm doing the Aeropress, what is your Aeropress method?

[Zach]

I do the upside down method. Heat the water to 179, pour, you know, make it, pour it half full with like 20 grams of coffee, stir it, let it sit for 30 seconds so it blooms, then fill it the rest of the way and then at one minute I flip it over and pour slowly, like squeeze it out slowly and I try to land. Be done at the 92nd mark.

[Matt Farah]

That's more or less exactly what I do. I Don't set a timer, but, and I, and I, I use one of the AeroPress scoops. Is that 20 grams?

[Zach]

I think it's like 12ish.

[Matt Farah]

Oh really? So I should be scooping more than that into an Aero?

[Zach]

Depends on how strong you want your coffee. And also like I'm doing mostly decaf, so I do like, you know, 15 milligrams of decaf and da da da water temperature.

[Matt Farah]

I don't break out the scale. Yeah, no, 179. I do 180, but okay. And, and I don't, I don't, I don't want to fucking deal with the scale so I just do a scoop. But yeah, don't rob me. Says thoughts on the California DMV stopping the sale of Teslas for the false self driving claims? Would Tesla face legal trouble from customers if they admit to not having self driving? So all right, I'm certainly not a lawyer, but so yeah, I mean basically the state of California, the DMV has said that Auto, Autopilot and FSD are misleading and they have to either rename them or stop selling cars. That's essentially Tesla is. I forget if it's a countersuit or just an appeal. They're fighting it. Obviously they're fucking fighting it. That would be a problem for Tesla, I think.

[Zach]

I mean if they appeal, whatever it goes to, whatever the result is, they're not going to stop selling cars in California. I'm sure this state still has the biggest take rate and makes up a huge percentage of their market. They'll just change the wording and they'll get very clever with it and that's probably what they'll have to do.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, look, nobody is better than Elon Musk at saying some cheeky thing that will somehow make him able to skirt a law. You know, like when it was like, I forgot what he named something like T hits. And he was like, and he came up with some clever acronym for it and doge and all this kind of.

[Zach]

Stuff.

[Matt Farah]

He'Ll come up with some way to phrase it that'll make it just barely technically legal.

[Zach]

So this year, in quarter three of this year, EVs made up 29% of the new car markets in California. So a third of the cars sold in California new cars are EVs. He's not gonna just wanna give up that pot of the sales of Tesla are going down in Europe. He needs all the money he can get and not just buying his own cars with SpaceX money. So I don't know, we'll figure out what happened.

[Matt Farah]

What was the second half of the question? I want to read the wording of that again. The second half of the question from don't rob me was, would Tesla face legal trouble from customers if they admit to not having self driving? Well, they've admitted to the deal DMV that it's a level two system. They say one thing to the news and to their customers and they say something different in court and in DMV filings. It's like very important to recognize that to the DMV this is a level 2 system. Same as fucking Ford's Blue Cruise and Chevy's Super Cruise. Those are the same. And Rivian's thing and whatever else, Porsche's thing, they're all list, they're all the same. So, so if they're telling customers, for instance, that you can text and drive, which is what Elon's new thing is saying that you'll be allowed to text and drive, you can be ticketed for that, you're actually breaking the law. He's telling you that it's okay to break the law. And look, I'm not a fucking, I'm not Gandhi, I'm not saying that I have never texted and driven, but I'm just saying that this guy is telling you that in this case car you can text and drive.

[Zach]

Well, I think the machinery's capabilities don't dictate the law. Yeah, so that's the thing. Like he can. And even if it was a level 5 system, from what Even if he said it was a level five system and let's say like five independent scientists agree, you still have to get the state and the country and NHTSA to go. Yep, that's true. And then you can text and drive. But just because he says that the machinery can do it doesn't mean a police officer is going to go, oh, the guy who sells the thing said it can do that. On your way, sir. Have a good time.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, so, yeah. Oh, this was, oh, this is this question about the crash yesterday. Okay, so this guy passed away in the canyons. Do you think a high profile accident will change the tides on what's quote, allowed in the Canyons?

[Zach]

No, no, no, because that's because we watched in the video, they're not going, they're not going the speed limit.

[Matt Farah]

No, those guys aren't having like a little outing. They're ripping.

[Zach]

Right. So they're not doing what is quote, allowed. Yeah. And I think I'd also add we've seen, we've talked about this a lot. We've seen a lot of sketchy driving up there. Yes. By car enthusiasts, but a lot of it is people using those roads to commute in cars with bad tires. And they are sending it double yellow passes all over the place.

[Matt Farah]

I almost got run off the road in the 12C a couple days ago.

[Zach]

And that was not someone in a Ferrari or Porsche or whatever. It's just people making poor choices, I think ultimately. And so, you know, I don't think they're. I don't think it'll change what's allowed. Maybe they'll raise patrols up there, but I don't know. I don't know if the. I don't know if the CHP has the resources to send more people up there to write tickets to calm people down.

[Matt Farah]

No, I mean, they. No, the CHP is in the business of raising money with tickets. So they're gonna sit in highways where they can get the most number of people where their radios and phones work for backup. They're not gonna sit up there. I mean, I told the story the other day of the guy who essentially lied to me, the guy who on the pro show about getting pulled over in the fucking giveaway car. And the guy tried to play it off like he was up there to catch speeders and it turns out his motorcycle was broken down and that's why he was there. And nothing. And he had nobody to call. I mean, you know, he's lucky it was fucking me and I'm a law abiding citizen. But look, people go up there and drive fast and some people drive too fucking fast and they have really bad crashes and it's a very bad thing and terrible thing when someone dies. But like people are making choices, man. Like, you know, like, not everybody has like great judgment. I don't think that guy Vince was driving that car. Right.

[Zach]

He was in the new states. He was a passenger.

[Matt Farah]

And this is. We just saw this today. But like I watched two seconds of that video and went, holy shit, that car is going fast. Really? And for me to say that, right. You know how fast a car is to be going to look fast in a video like that in a drive by shot. Yeah, we do this for a living, you guys. It is so hard to make a car look like it's going by that fast in a video. You have to be fucking flying.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

To do that. Like, wow. Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah, I agree with you. I think. And even if the police made a big presence, they do this with drag racing or drifting areas or whatever. It Is like if there's enough hubbub from the public, they will do a big crackdown and maybe they'll spend. We saw this on the 405, remember there were a couple days in a row where there were four motorcycle police officers within about two miles writing tickets to people that were in the HOV line lane without two people in the car. They were posted up like fishermen at a bass pro contest and they were just like hooking people and writing tickets and then they'll go away and then people will keep doing the same thing. So I think, you know, the only thing that would change this is if they implemented those speed limiters on cars. You know, like when you buy a new car it's limited to X speed unless you are in certain areas. But otherwise people are going to make choices.

[Matt Farah]

That was the Nissan GTR thing and that's what, that's what our friend David Zipper our. And it's actually other than the immature but honest because I want it, there's not a lot of arguments against it. Not a lot of sane ones, actually rational ones. That one is about the thing which we discussed about front wheel drive. NSX says with the recent crash in North Carolina, RIP Greg Biffle. Yeah, I didn't know the guy, but I heard great things about him actually. Can you think of another sport that's lost more to plane crashes? I feel like every 10 years or so NASCAR deals the plane related death. I mean golf, maybe golfers have died in plane crashes. I mean it's not a sport. But like musicians, lots of musicians have died in plane crash. I mean like anywhere where you've got like for instance like in the NBA and the NFL and shit like that, right? The teams fly on like big ass fucking team planes. They're jumbo jets. In golf, in nascar, in music, in other individual sports, they fly around on little private jets. And little private jets crash more. They're just more dangerous. And so mathematically if you do an activity or you have a job or you have a family or you have a lifestyle where you're flying around in private jets along lot like and I'm not trying to like blame Greg Biffle for his, you know, I don't know, it's just like statistically if you fly around in a fucking private jet all the time, like you're statistically more likely to die in a crash because that's what happens. And like NASCAR is like lots and lots of private jets.

[Zach]

It is, it's lots of that. Anything where there's really high net worth Individuals that can afford to travel by themselves.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And they want to for convenience and stuff. Small airports, schedule whatever. But this last year, there were a thousand. 10, 85 General aviation accidents in the United States with private jets included in this category. So a fifth of those were fatal, you know? And how many commercial airline flight crashes were there in the United states last year? 2?

[Matt Farah]

3.

[Zach]

2 with the whole FAA thing.

[Matt Farah]

And even that's a bad year.

[Zach]

That was a year where the FAA was like, what the fuck is going on? Like, because there are so few of them ever since.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And because private jets carry rich people, it's way more likely that when one crashes, it's gonna be somebody, like, notable.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

You know, whether it's a NASCAR driver or. So how many fucking times doesn't Roger Penske been in, like, four plane crashes? I seriously think Roger Penske has survived at least two, maybe three plane crashes. Zach will figure that out while I move on. But I think I'm pretty sure Roger Petzky survived multiple play. Guys, Matt's Manx makes meandering. Many miles. Magical. Boy, do I love me some alliteration. If you read my road and track pieces, I try and get alliterative at least once a piece. Have I considered a heated vest or gloves for ice racing with the Manx? I mean, dude, I'm not gonna be going that fast. And, like, I ski. Like, I probably go faster skiing than I will go in the Manx. Like, in ice races. I'm not gonna go that fast.

[Zach]

What's your steering wheel made out of? I think it's holding on to cold material.

[Matt Farah]

It's plastic. And I'm gonna wear gloves.

[Zach]

Yeah, wear gloves. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

It's plastic. I'm gonna wear gloves. I'm gonna dress. Essentially. I'm gonna dress like I'm skiing, except with driving shoes on.

[Zach]

Totally fine.

[Matt Farah]

And I'll be totally fine.

[Zach]

Yeah, you're.

[Matt Farah]

Other people have expressed much more concern with me being cold than I. Like. Like, if you. If you're out skiing for a day, like, I'd probably go 40, 50 miles an hour on skis, sometimes just open to the wind.

[Zach]

I'd be amazed if you broke 30 miles per hour with on ice racing. Like, depending on the.

[Matt Farah]

I thought you were gonna say skiing. I was like, oh, no, definitely no. Yeah, if you hit 40, 50, no problem on skis. You're going fucking fast on skis. Toblerone, Malone. In what situation does it make sense to go with agreed value insurance? For example, if I'm buying a 718 GT4 would I need declared value insurance or. Since most GT4s typically follow the same value trend, it's not really necessary. Here's why you want declared value insurance. It's so that if something happens you get all your money back. No adjuster, no, like, well this car's totaled and I spent 100 grand on it, but insurance is only going to give me 80. But 80 doesn't get me the car I just had anymore.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

You know, so like that's why you want declared value insurance. You essentially want declared value insurance for as many things as you can get it for. Like there's no reason to not get it. The only reason to not get it is because Hagerty literally won't sell it to you for your daily driver. That's the only reason to not have it. Having insurance where you are made whole is the best kind of insurance. Especially it costs a little more. But like for special shit. Yeah, you know, if you can, you should. No reason not to. Here's the other one reason. Here's one reason you have like four or five regular cars in your family. Family. Maybe it's your car, your partner's car and your two teenage children each have a car and your fucking nanny has a car. Whatever. You got a bunch of regular ass cars. Adding the GT4 to that policy because it is a car that will depreciate, albeit slowly. Adding a car to that policy may give you some kind of a bulk discount that's worthwhile. Whereas if you only have one car on an agreed value policy, it's going to be expensive. If you have agreed value policy with 5, 6, 7, 10 cars on it on a per car basis, it will be cheap because they assume you're only driving one car at a time. So like if you get a bulk discount on your regular plan with the GT4 versus it's the only car on declared value, it may be like double. To ensure that car every year now, you know, it must still be worth it.

[Zach]

Yeah. Because if the car, if the car goes away two years into it, 100% and they won't give you an agreed value car, then you're getting a lesser vehicle.

[Matt Farah]

100%. Yeah, yeah. But like it's not, it's not fully black and white because the premium for your first car is going to be a lot. Yeah. Oh, we talked about this. Randy says what do we think of Angels Landing and how do we do on the hike? We got up, we got up to Angels Landing fast.

[Zach]

We did. I think we hauled ass.

[Matt Farah]

I think we got to the base of the chains in 90 minutes.

[Zach]

I thought we did all the way to the top in 90.

[Matt Farah]

Was it all the way to the top in 90? It was fast. It was faster than I've ever done it. I've probably done that hike 10 times, including when I was like 22 years old. And I did it faster than that. It was awesome.

[Zach]

Yeah, it was cool.

[Matt Farah]

But it's challenging for a hike where the terrain. The terrain isn't challenging until you get to the chains.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And then it's like kind of extremes. Yeah, but what a fucking view.

[Zach]

I mean, great view.

[Matt Farah]

Possibly the best view in the continental United States.

[Zach]

On top of that, it's so dope.

[Matt Farah]

And now there's, like, nice hotels there. There's, like, good food to eat. Like, it's a nice, nice place to visit.

[Zach]

Yeah, it is a lot to do.

[Matt Farah]

Every car. YouTuber's V8 Vantage shout out to Thomas from Throttle house got himself a van.

[Zach]

Oh, he got the 4.7 too. He got the. The old engine. Thomas from Throttle has advantage.

[Matt Farah]

You got the 4.3 or the 4.3? Sorry, 4.3. Oh, he really. He really tried for it, huh?

[Zach]

I don't know. Whoever he sold it to, him, they. I saw a Reddit thread about it, like, why didn't he do this? And the owner of the shop that sold it to him responded and, like, the only problems with that engine is X. And we fixed it. Like, you can just do that repair. So it should be solid, but.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I never refer to it in terms of that. In terms of being problematic. The 4.3, it just. It makes a lot of noise, but not a lot. The 4.7 makes more power, whatever.

[Zach]

But he owned an Alpha, so he's used to that.

[Matt Farah]

Whatever, man. Fucking cheap Aston's a cheap Aston. Have a good time.

[Zach]

They look good.

[Matt Farah]

Why does nobody in the car community talk about Paul Walker and Jerry Seinfeld having inappropriate relationships with minors? I mean, I don't think nobody does.

[Zach]

Well, Kristen Lee, I remembered when I saw this question, she wrote a great article for Jalopnik a long time time ago about this exact thing, and then a few weeks later posted her, like, the email she'd received from people in response to this. But, yeah, it's a totally valid thing to bring up. And I mean, I think it's, you know, a little problematic. And Paul's gone, so.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean, Paul's gone. He's not here to either defend himself or be punished, I guess.

[Zach]

I mean, he met this girl when she was 16, he was 33.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's not great. That's not great. You know, not great. Certainly would not make that choice. I mean, I don't know. I guess it's like, maybe better that he stayed with her the whole time. It's not like, oh, that's true.

[Zach]

They were together when he died.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they were together until the whole time, which I don't know if that's better or not. It just is a thing.

[Zach]

It seems better. It's like, oh, this was a genuine connection that lasted and endured.

[Matt Farah]

Sure, sure. I think that's like a little.

[Zach]

It's like two people meet and they both cheat on their spouses. They meet and then they stay married for 40 years. Right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Like, they leave their spouses for someone else, but then they go, okay, at least it was for something. And it wasn't just like, you both had. You had an affair and then, you know, went back to your wife or whatever.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Like, I don't. I don't know if I should be like the arbiter of like, what the sliding scale is of problematic behavior. I'm sure there's probably someone like Kristen or somebody else that's not me that's better for them, that job, anybody, really. But like, yeah, it's not great. It's not great. And like, Jerry, like, yeah, that was also not great. But also he's been married to the same woman for like 25 years. And like, it didn't seem like that was like a. A. I think she was over the age of consent in New York at the time. She was not a minor, but that's true.

[Zach]

They never went out until she turned 18.

[Matt Farah]

But so like. Okay. But yeah, no, it's like, like, not great. It's not great. But like, I don't personally need to, like, defend him, but also he's been married to the same woman for 20 plus years and has two kids with him. And it was not. That wasn't something that I felt it ever was like a pattern of behavior that was problematic. The one person.

[Zach]

That's good point.

[Matt Farah]

Right? And like, he didn't continue doing that, like, guy, super famous, young, hot chick, you know? I don't fucking know. I don't know how to be in that shoes. Not great. Not great if you ask me. But also like a long time ago. And not a pattern.

[Zach]

Right. Yeah. Rich, famous artists are not always known for their choices, their best choices. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Is it going to stop me from talking to Jerry about cars? It is not. It is not. Which Is the only thing I ever talk to him about.

[Zach]

I was gonna say like most of what we focus on this show is cars. But we want to acknowledge your question. We probably aside with your opinion or roughly this person's opinion. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

My official ruling is double not great.

[Zach]

Double not great. Don't do that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I would recommend against that. Cadillac bro. Ham and cheese 29 and just got my dream land yacht. A 91 Cadillac Brome. It's pronounced Brahm. But if you.

[Zach]

But I like broham.

[Matt Farah]

Everybody should go see the great white hype immediately. We'll talk about it on the Patreon brogum. It's a Merlot broham. It's a blue Cadillac broham with a velour interior. I want to get a watch that matches the vibe aesthetic of the Cadillac. I mean if you got money, if you got of a lot, little bit of money, not a ton of money.

[Zach]

I don't think they do because they have a 91 Cadillac Brougham.

[Matt Farah]

But that's his dream. Like if you have a dream and Your dream is $3,500.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

You know. All right, so.

[Zach]

I'm not saying you should have inexpensive dreams. That's the best kind.

[Matt Farah]

You have a few thousand dollars. Okay. Which is real money, but not all the money. You should get a two tone Rolex Dayton just with like a white dial which is Basically what a 75 year old golfer would have been wearing in like 1991.

[Zach]

But would you get it like a blue? Do you want the color to match the car?

[Matt Farah]

Oh, the color.

[Zach]

Like it's a triple blue car. So I'm thinking if you had a white watch, a white face, Rolex or whatever. Yeah, it would pop because the whole car is blue, blue, blue, blue, blue. But if you are already the guy with the triple blue car and if you wear blue shoes a lot, like if you want to leave lean in. The good news is there's a lot of watches out there that have dark blue faces.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I don't think we need to matchy matchy the color with the watch. Plus because I don't know the exact blue, it would be tough to match it. But like peak 91 would be. Do you know what a Movado museum is? Yeah, I bet you do. Google Movado museum. I bet you know what it is. It's such an iconic watch of like what a businessman. Oh, add the word watch. Sorry. It's not literally the museum. It's like. Oh yeah. Oh, there you go. Images. That's it. Yeah, sorry, I apologize. It's this watch, the gold case, black face with the one little round thing at the 12 o' clock position. That is the 1991 businessman, aesthetic extraordinaire. Right.

[Zach]

Okay. Yeah. This is like they took citizen watches and they reduced them even more.

[Matt Farah]

This is what Kim Jong Il wore. Really? Yeah.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

So if you want to be 91. If you want to be 91, you fuck with this with a Movado museum. Yeah.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

And believe it or not, this is like. This is like a Swiss automatic movement. It's like, not a piece of junk. It's just. It's just an outdated.

[Zach]

It's a thousand bucks. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

This is an expensive watch. They have a quartz one. I think that's cheaper. Yeah.

[Zach]

Do they have a way.

[Matt Farah]

There you go.

[Zach]

There you go. That matches the caddy.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. That blue's not bad, actually.

[Zach]

Not bad with all the silver on it.

[Matt Farah]

I'll fuck with that blue. It's okay.

[Zach]

There you go.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's all right.

[Zach]

There you go, bro. Him.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I kind of dig this one. That one's pretty cool. Blue lacquer dial.

[Zach]

That blue is a lot like Toyota 4Runner Blue. Not a bad thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Just saying it. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's the battleship gray of blues.

[Zach]

It is. Yeah. It's the Pacific Northwest dark blue.

[Matt Farah]

Right, right, right. More than you can afford, pal. Mark 4 supra.

[Zach]

So good.

[Matt Farah]

Matt, you mentioned the sim didn't work because you're a feel driver. Does that translate to your golf game where you're a feel player, or do you like numbers and distance stats? Well, I like a yardage number. I like to know how far I need to hit the ball. I do. I mean, golf is the most feel game that, like, there is. Right. Because your golf swing is supposed to be the exact same motion every time.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

All you change is the position of the ball in your stance, the position of your grip on the club. Do you choke up, choke down, and the angle of your feet. Those are your three things you're really supposed to change. Your swing should be exactly the same. Same every time. So that kind of shit, you have to feel out. It's the only way to do it. At the same time, knowing the yards does help. Numbers. Numbers help in golf.

[Zach]

Yeah. Because you know what range you need. X club. And so you don't want to grab a driver when it's 100 yards away.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I do. Really? Like, if I have to play, I like walking on a golf course if it can. A lot of modern golf, you don't walk anymore, but when there is a cart and you, you have the golf GPS and you've got your info and it's not just this many yards to the green, but it's like I got a 120 carry to clear the ravine, but I gotta stop it before 150 because then it's in the water. I like to know that because then it's like do I hit a high that stops or do I hit a low roller kind of thing.

[Zach]

Yeah. Because even if you're driving with field, you also want to to know that this turn is fourth gear, not second. Those are important. Your braking distance.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Renee says I'm looking to buy a second gen Panamera Turbo for a daily, but I'm having a hard time finding one in a good condition. What would I miss if I were to get the GTS instead? Second gen. That would have been a turbocharged engine versus a naturally aspirated V8. Actually, I think the fucking second gen GTS is pretty hot and makes plenty of horsepower. It's like over 400 horsepower. Maybe 430 or 440. Has a great sound. Similar chassis steering dynamics. Between the turbo, the GTS might actually ride and handle better depending on what options the turbo would have had. But you're down about 100 horsepower. That's where you're down. So if you're up at altitude and that horsepower really matters, other than that, pretty similar. It'll sound rad. Yeah, it's a good car.

[Zach]

Pipes on if you want to. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I was on the press launch for the second gen gts so you can go back and watch my video from 2013 or 15 or whatever that was. And it was a nice little potato. I remember the car was red and I drove it in the rain. Two guys in the back of Alexis, Texas.

[Zach]

I love that name. It's so funny.

[Matt Farah]

Which car has the best resting bitch face?

[Zach]

I've thought for a long time the Kia Soul looks like Marvin the Robot. Sad, kind of sad resting face. I guess it's not really bitch face, but that one is just very anthropomorphic.

[Matt Farah]

To me from Hitchhiker's Guide.

[Zach]

Hitchhiker's Guide. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I mean the Ionic six and the General Hyundai Catfish vibe has got a real Karen. I want to see the manager look about it, you know?

[Zach]

I totally agree. It's just kind of. It's the flat terse lips, right, that are pulled back but not smiling or frowning. Just irritated.

[Matt Farah]

Right?

[Zach]

Yeah, right. Even before the refresh too.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, right. Oh, that. No. Now the Ionic 6 has, has a fucking. Has an are you fucking kidding me face. That's a little.

[Zach]

That's a little. This is the older one. This is the 23 still.

[Matt Farah]

But that's. That's an. That's an are you fucking kidding me face. The, the fish mouth was really the Elantra. This one is just a straight across deadpan, you know. That's a good question though.

[Zach]

I like this question.

[Matt Farah]

What else has a resting bitch face? Huh?

[Zach]

Look at.

[Matt Farah]

That's a really hard one.

[Zach]

Yeah, it is. Nope.

[Matt Farah]

The Lexus trucks with the schmuck shredder grill.

[Zach]

It's a very like it's a shredder face. So now was behind that mask was Shredder arresting bitch face or was he smiling or was he mad? We don't really know. We saw the eyes. They scowled a lot, you know. Who was the man behind the mask, so to speak?

[Matt Farah]

He was just. He had a fucking shit eating grin on the entire time.

[Zach]

He's fighting turtles. Like what a pussy, you know?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. If your name is Shredder and you're fighting turtles, you suck. The toking tire 60 $70,000 budget. Should I get a used Boxster gts or a C63s for sometimes daily driving and North Carolina back roads. I have a TRX as the other daily I'd get the boxster.

[Zach]

Yeah, the 63 is almost. It's not the same as a TRX but it's similar. It's like forced induction. It's that. So the Boxster will be a little bit more fun and different.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Dahlia trx. The fuel bill must be insane.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Quadrifoglio face. I have my father in law's 73 Jag E type V12 automatic. It's got 39,000 miles on it. It's in good shape except for the headliner but hasn't run in a couple years. I'm overwhelmed with what to do with it. I have plenty of cars that are better to drive but I want to to keep it because it's cool. For a while they were putting I pace drive trains in them but no more. So keep the maintenance nightmare V12. But manual swap. Yes, I would. Yeah. I think if you can find someone to do a factory level manual swap on that, then you'll have a much more fun thing to play with. I get wanting to keep it. And the funny thing about E types is they're so cool and they're so pretty but there's actually kind of a. A lot of them and the values are like really all over the place. Like they can be, they can be 20 grand or 300 grand and from 50ft away you can't tell which one you're looking at for the most part. You know, the V12s are not as desirable as the, the six cylinder cars, but you could certainly make them sound fucking cool. I mean they, they will, they do sound awesome. So the right exhaust and the right tuning, that thing could be pretty, pretty rad. And yeah. Manual swap. Yeah. Let's see. Well, I don't have the answer to this next question. Do you want to try this one.

[Zach]

Zach, or do you want to? Well, the question basically, why does Subaru sponsor stuff like Gymkhana?

[Matt Farah]

This is Matt's video taught us stick. Now my son and I daily manual.

[Zach]

You know, when on the product side Subaru is dealing with doing the ultimate minimum for the enthusiast market. I think this is an interesting question. Like Subaru sponsors is a big sponsor of Goodwood Revival and I think they also have sponsored the Isle of Man TT for a number of years. It's almost like there's a side of Subaru that it's the black sheep of the family. They give the marketing team a huge amount of money and they're like, yeah, yeah, get out of here. We're going to sell Outbacks. Stop bothering us. We know we used to make STIs. We're not doing this, that anymore. So just here's your check and just go on vacation again. And then they do rad stuff with their money. So I don't know if they're just trying to keep the flame alive because they used to make awesome enthusiast products and a way to keep, you know, people like myself. I was a big fan of subaru in my 20s. I owned one. They don't really make cars that excite me anymore, but if they want to stay in my good graces, they go, hey, we still do this rad shit. And you know what, it kind of works. When I see their name on these events or sponsoring Gymkhana, I go, hey, and I have fond memories. They're still there, they're still doing and maybe they will one day.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's a better answer than I would have given. I like that I don't have any answer for the next one. We don't have enough information there. Pugs and Porsches. What is keeping Porsche from making the 911 smaller? A few things. One is the endless desire to keep moving the engine further towards the middle. And to do that, you keep moving the wheels further Away backwards. Right. That's how that works. Then you have your pedestrian impact, which makes the front of the car bigger. And then you have customers that endlessly will say they want more room, more luxury, more this. And then you have safety features and stuff that have got to fit somewhere.

[Zach]

Sound deadening. Stuff. They go, it'd be cool if the car was a little quieter. And so they go, all right, we got to put in a little more padding or a new kind of window or whatever.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It needs to have more grip, which means wider tires, which means bigger wheel arches. It then needs better brakes.

[Zach]

That's a big one.

[Matt Farah]

It's just. And now on and on and on and on and on. Yeah, I think it would be an amazing thing, but I don't know what it will take for us to see the next generation be actually smaller than. I mean, look, if the hybrid engine, even though in the Turbo S, the new hybrid engine, even though the car is heavier, the engine, the engine is smaller, it's lowered. It doesn't have like, if you look at the. I bet you can Google side by side, 911 Turbo S engine because they had a stand with the engine side by side, and I bet you a bunch of people took photos of it. So in the end, there's probably. I wish someone fucking had it. So basically in the past, right up until this hybrid thing, right, Everyone. So you had the engine accessory. The block is flat. Right. It's a flat six. But the engine itself, if you look at a Porsche engine on a stand, the engine's not actually flat. It's like a truncated pyramid almost. Right. And so. So that's because all the accessories and all the other stuff that have to run off the drive belt are stacked on top of the block, like your air conditioning stuff and your alternator and blah, blah, blah, because the new one gets rid of all that shit. All those accessories run off the 400 volt. The starter motor is the PDK motor generator. So the actual motor itself is way flatter now and, like wider as compared to the old one. So I don't know, like volumetrically if it's much smaller, but if you, like, look at them side by side, it certainly does appear to be smaller. The car isn't, but the engine appears to be smaller. I don't know.

[Zach]

That's too slow.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. That's okay.

[Zach]

Looks like the old engine is indeed very tall.

[Matt Farah]

It is, yeah. And the new one is not. So the center of gravity is lower. It's pretty neat, actually. Drift, it says, have you driven? Yeah, we did. Didn't we review this? Did we make.

[Zach]

We reviewed the 4Runner.

[Matt Farah]

We reviewed the 4Runner and I think.

[Zach]

You drove the Land Cruiser. I have not driven any of the new Land Cruisers.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, okay. I drove the Land Cruiser with the four cylinder hybrid. Yeah, I thought it was fine. It was fine. Maybe I did an Instagram review of it or something like that. Yeah, it was totally fine. I mean, it wasn't exciting at all. But I drove it around on the street and I went off roading with it and it was effective at the thing it was supposed to do. I probably would not get the bigger engine. I wouldn't get a loaded up Land Cruiser. I'd get a middle one. If I wouldn't get the bigger engine at that point, I would just get the Lexus.

[Zach]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

Are we winding down our program? That was it, huh?

[Zach]

Yeah, that's it.

[Matt Farah]

When is this going up, this show? This is Tuesday, tomorrow or Thursday, I.

[Zach]

Think this one's Friday.

[Matt Farah]

This one's Friday. Friday. This will still be up because there's six days left in the auction. So my NSX is up there on cars and bids. A lot of action in the comments. A lot of bids so far sitting at 150k as of Monday. We're going to do that. Auction ends on. What is it, the 29th. It ends on the. The 29th. We're gonna do a show, a live show for when it ends. It ends December 29th at 10:30am Pacific, 1:30pm Eastern. So Zach and I will be here live, correct, counting down the minutes and we find out if I made or lose money.

[Zach]

1229.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

So photos by Thaddeus. There are a Great many photos.

[Zach]

369 photos.

[Matt Farah]

There's a lot of photos.

[Zach]

That'd be a new record.

[Matt Farah]

Lot of photos. You should see the underside photos. Zakar is absolutely immaculate. Thank you to our patrons especially. We love you all and your usernames, but together, not separately. And we'll see you guys next week. Right? Christmas and New Year's, the show will be up Friday because they come on a Thursday, so you'll have figured that out by now. So if this one's up on the 26th, the next one is going to be up on January 1st. Second. Second, yes, January 2nd. Again, thanks. Love you all. Oh, I'll plug it next show.

[Zach]

Let's do it next.

[Matt Farah]

Save it. Next show. We're out. Bye.