What Car are You?; Bentley Conundrum; Broken Motored Window - The Smoking Tire

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Podcast Summary: The Smoking Tire – Episode: "What Car are You?; Bentley Conundrum; Broken Motorized Window" Release Date: April 24, 2025

Hosts: Zack Klapman & Matt Farah

Introduction

In this episode of The Smoking Tire, hosts Zack Klapman and Matt Farah delve into a variety of automotive topics, blending insightful discussions with personal anecdotes. The episode, titled "What Car are You?; Bentley Conundrum; Broken Motorized Window," explores themes ranging from industry trends to in-depth reviews of high-performance vehicles.

Shrinkflation and Industry Trends

The podcast kicks off with an engaging discussion on shrinkflation, specifically focusing on Wrigley Gum's recent reductions in gum mass. Zack shares insider information, revealing that post-COVID adjustments led to an 18% decrease in gum weight while maintaining packaging and stick count. Matt highlights the double impact of inflation and product downsizing, exclaiming, "That's the double fucking whammy" ([02:25]).

They extend the conversation to broader market manipulations, touching on issues like the egg shortage and record profits amidst supply chain disruptions. The hosts express frustration over price hikes and reductions in product quality, emphasizing consumer dissatisfaction: "Keep sending this shit in. This is some infuriating ass shit" ([02:37]).

Experiences on the Past Times Podcast

Zack recounts a recent appearance on the Past Times podcast alongside Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds. Both hosts praise the enjoyable and collaborative environment, with Matt mentioning, "We have two cars going to Air Water this weekend. Come out and say hello" ([29:54]). They discuss the technical difficulties faced during the session, including Matt's computer failure, which led to humorous moments and memorable interactions.

Bentley Flying Spur Speed Hybrid Review

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Matt’s review of the Bentley Flying Spur Speed Hybrid. The discussion delves into the vehicle's performance, balancing luxury with high-speed capabilities:

Performance and Handling: Matt describes driving the Bentley extensively on racetracks, highlighting its balance and agility despite the added weight from the hybrid system. He notes, "The GT speed hybrids... demonstrate how balanced they are and what they can do agility-wise with the weight" ([14:09]).
Electric Mode Experience: The hosts explore the benefits and drawbacks of the car's electric mode. Matt points out that the 750 horsepower from the hybrid system doesn't significantly enhance everyday driving but emphasizes the comfort and quietness of the electric experience: "An electric Bentley, while still very nice and comfortable and incredibly well-made and smooth and quiet, is not as special as a Bentley-like engine" ([16:00]).
Technical Issues: Matt shares his personal frustration with a recurring issue where the car requires pressing the start button multiple times to shift into reverse, speculating that it might be an early build defect: "That's annoying, and I hope that's not normal. I don't think it is" ([21:21]).
Comparative Analysis: Zack contrasts the Flying Spur with Bentley’s coupe models, noting differences in wheelbase, vibrations, and overall solidity. They discuss the potential need for ceramic brakes given the car's horsepower, although Matt expresses reservations about the high cost: "If you're gonna get the speed, you gotta get the ceramics. I would bless you" ([26:05]).
Design and Features: The hosts admire specific design elements like the crystal wings on the hood ornament and discuss optional features such as night vision cameras, weighing their practicality versus additional cost: "It's pretty good... I’ve used it a few times and I mean I’m not sure I’d like to pay five grand for it or whatever, but it’s all right" ([27:56]).

Listener Questions and Automotive Advice

The episode transitions into a segment where Zack and Matt address listener-submitted questions, providing expert advice on various automotive concerns:

Daily Drivers and Road Trip Sedans: A listener from Michigan seeks recommendations for a $30-$40k daily driver road trip sedan or coupe, preferring all-wheel drive. Zack suggests the Audi RS3 and S4/S5 models, emphasizing their performance and suitability for Michigan’s roads: "Used RS5s are available around $40k and are a very nice daily driver car for sure" ([66:16]).
Car Maintenance and Inspections: The hosts discuss the frustrations with buyers who misuse vehicle inspections (PPIs) to accuse sellers of fraud when minor issues are discovered: "PPIs are supposed to reveal things that lay people don’t know... That’s a tool for negotiation, not an invitation to accuse the person of fraud" ([81:42]).
Hybridization in Performance Cars: They debate the effectiveness of hybrid systems in modern sports cars, agreeing that while hybridization can enhance performance in heavier vehicles like the Bentley, it may not always be beneficial compared to ICE-only versions: "Hybridization is not a bad thing at all... Especially in the Revuelto, it fills in the torque and smooths it out" ([69:56]).

Car-Related Personal Anecdotes

Matt shares nostalgic memories of receiving a go-kart for his ninth birthday, highlighting his family's supportive attitude towards his automotive interests: "We went as a family, and I suffered through... and then we left" ([61:03]). The conversation shifts to the benefits of backyard racetracks and how early experiences shape racing skills, with Zack noting, "Driving on a racetrack is more fun and you get to explore the limits of the car safely" ([43:15]).

Unique and Custom Vehicles

The hosts discuss various custom and one-off cars, expressing admiration for their uniqueness while questioning their practicality and cost-effectiveness:

Bentley Arnoujt Estate: Matt critiques the design of a custom Bentley model, pointing out impractical elements like oversized wood paneling: "This looks like the back is melting" ([73:42]).
Chevrolet Camaro and Mustang Builds: They mention extravagant builds like the Ramus, a hybrid Mustang-truck crossover, and ponder the challenges of maintaining such custom vehicles: "The whole front of the house all the way around... So I got up on my ninth birthday, and there was this Go kart..." ([74:09]).

Conclusion

The episode wraps up with reflections on the future of automotive technology, listener engagement, and upcoming projects. Zack and Matt express enthusiasm for upcoming track days and potential collaborations, maintaining their trademark blend of technical insight and relatable storytelling.

Notable Quotes

Matt Farah on shrinkflation: "That's the double fucking whammy." ([02:25])
Zack Klapman on the Past Times podcast experience: "It was very fun. Couple times I forgot I was in the podcast." ([05:02])
Matt Farah on the Bentley's electric experience: "An electric Bentley... is not as special as a Bentley-like engine." ([16:00])
Zack Klapman on managing technical issues: "Best car in the world. See? Aren’t you glad you asked? I asked your friend Matt about that." ([33:41])

Conclusion

This episode of The Smoking Tire offers a comprehensive exploration of current automotive trends, detailed vehicle reviews, and engaging personal stories. Through their candid conversations and expert insights, Zack Klapman and Matt Farah provide listeners with valuable information and relatable experiences, making it a must-listen for automotive enthusiasts.

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[00:01]
Matt Farah
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[01:32]
Zach Klapman
Shrinkflation.
[01:33]
Matt Farah
Oh, did you see the one I texted you?
[01:35]
Zach Klapman
I did not read it.
[01:36]
Matt Farah
Oh, dude, I texted it. It's like, if you scroll up, like two or three texts. I just copied and pasted it from the email. Are we live? Do we exist? Is the Internet still there?
[01:50]
Zach Klapman
18%.
[01:52]
Matt Farah
Right? Is the Internet still there?
[01:53]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[01:54]
Matt Farah
To start. To start the show, we're just going to start with today's Shrinkflation.
[01:59]
Zach Klapman
Today's Shrinkflation.
[02:00]
Matt Farah
Don't use the person's name, please.
[02:02]
Zach Klapman
I will not. This person works for Wrigley Gum. Their factory used to be in Santa Cruz. After Covid, we fractionally reduced all the dimensions of the gum stick. Same packaging, same number of sticks. 18% less massive gum.
[02:19]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[02:20]
Zach Klapman
And I wonder if prices have gone up or just stayed the same.
[02:23]
Matt Farah
Well, of course the prices have gone up because of inflation, but.
[02:26]
Zach Klapman
And it's getting smaller at the same time.
[02:27]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[02:28]
Zach Klapman
That's a double whammy.
[02:29]
Matt Farah
That's what I'm saying. It's the double fucking whammy.
[02:32]
Zach Klapman
Great.
[02:32]
Matt Farah
Be mad at the right Person. People be mad at the right person.
[02:37]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[02:38]
Matt Farah
Keep sending this shit in. This is some infuriating ass shit.
[02:41]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, that's offensive. And it's like the egg thing. It's not coming down. There's a bird flu. There's no eggs. But they made a record profit.
[02:49]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[02:51]
Zach Klapman
How? That's how much profit was built into those prices.
[02:56]
Matt Farah
Do you remember, like, the bag scam? The grocery bag scam still going. Oh, they outlawed the plastic bags.
[03:05]
Zach Klapman
They said.
[03:06]
Matt Farah
Okay, outlaw plastic bags. I get it. Paper bags. Now we have to charge for them. They're more expensive. Okay. Get it? They're more expensive. Now we have plastic bags again. We're still paying. What? What?
[03:19]
Zach Klapman
They're illegal unless you pay for it. Is that how the law works now?
[03:22]
Matt Farah
What? The Patrice O'Neill bit. The Patrice O'Neill. Patrice did a bit about this in the elephant in the room fucking 20 years ago. That is this exact thing. It's about sneakers, but it's the same exact thing. Ms. Patrice.
[03:38]
Zach Klapman
Cool.
[03:39]
Matt Farah
Hannah. And I just listened to the Elephant in the room again. Once a year, I listened to elephant in the room on a card. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just do yourself a favor. 90 minutes. Patrice O'Neal, Elephant in the room. He's dead now.
[03:54]
Zach Klapman
Tremendous stand up.
[03:55]
Matt Farah
And that is a huge loss.
[03:56]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, it really is. If you're a younger person, you probably haven't heard of him, but he is hilarious. Regarded by many of the current top comedians as their favorite.
[04:05]
Matt Farah
Yeah. Yeah. The heaviest of hitters now would say this is one of the funniest people who ever lived. And having heard him so many times on the radio on O and A. Seen him live once and heard all. Every bit recorded bit of him ever done the fucking. The show. I saw of him in the Hard Rock Seminole Hotel, where Anna Nicole Smith died in Florida.
[04:32]
Zach Klapman
Wow. That hotel's got some good omens.
[04:34]
Matt Farah
It's famous for that and nothing else, but, God, I was. I. It was like tears. Just streaming, streaming. Ms. Patrice every day. Speaking of fucking killing and tear streaming, Zach Klapman, killed on the Pastimes on Friday.
[04:51]
Zach Klapman
Oh, thank you.
[04:52]
Matt Farah
We got to do.
[04:53]
Zach Klapman
That was so fun.
[04:54]
Matt Farah
Yeah. We got to do the Past Times with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds, which was very fun. Couple times I forgot I was in the podcast. Thought I was listening to the podcast.
[05:02]
Zach Klapman
Definitely got a lot of starstruck moments where I was just like, oh, right. Listening.
[05:06]
Matt Farah
Yeah. No, we're actually. And you. You know, I'm not. You're. You actually have Done improv and, like, we're actually, like, doing characters and stuff. It was fucking really good. Really good.
[05:15]
Zach Klapman
Thank you. You had some bangers, too. It was a great.
[05:18]
Matt Farah
I was more factual bangers.
[05:22]
Zach Klapman
Everyone was playing. We were playing a game at Foursquare that was fun.
[05:25]
Matt Farah
And then my computer died.
[05:27]
Zach Klapman
Then your computer died. Right at, like, the last news story. Like, oh, he just. He's just gone.
[05:32]
Matt Farah
Yeah. I think that was the day I learned to buy a new laptop.
[05:36]
Zach Klapman
Did you order one that.
[05:38]
Matt Farah
I haven't yet, but I'm thinking I might need to, like, today.
[05:42]
Zach Klapman
Well, you're very lucky that Apple seems to be exempt, because Matt fvp, he's a good follow, but he's, like, a very successful drone operator in the car world. And he posted a story today that was like, rip drone industry. Because every single thing.
[05:58]
Matt Farah
Oh, it's all made in China.
[05:59]
Zach Klapman
It's all just as backordered.
[06:00]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[06:01]
Zach Klapman
So it's either gonna be'cause they sold.
[06:03]
Matt Farah
Out their US Stock, and now there's like, when's the next boat? Like, we don't know.
[06:08]
Zach Klapman
So buy a laptop.
[06:10]
Matt Farah
I talked to my dad this morning, and I asked. Yeah. And I bet you want a sage, insightful answer about. And he was like, yeah, nobody knows anything. He's the chairman of foreheads on the microphone right now. Like, I don't know. Are they the biggest healthcare company in America? I think they might be. I don't know. I don't pay attention. But, like, they might. They're one of them. And he is like, yeah, we don't know. No one knows anything.
[06:40]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, it's a fly moving around your house, and every time it flies in a different room, it changes its policy. Yeah, that's.
[06:48]
Matt Farah
And I presented my theories for what? You know, I said, can I have some, like, good faith, you know, theories? And he's like, well, you know, it might be some kind of a strategy to, like, bring other countries to the table. And I was like, yeah, but, like, you know that's kind of bullshit, right? And he's like, yeah. He's like, but it might be. And I was like, okay, but what if he was doing crimes, like mob boss shit? Like, he's always done, like, tariffs on everybody and if you beg. And he was like. And I was like. Cause I think he's, like, doing mob boss shit. Cause that's what he knows how to do. And they've told him that crime is legal if you're the president.
[07:29]
Zach Klapman
Right. Donald Coin.
[07:31]
Matt Farah
And he was like, yeah, we don't really know I don't know.
[07:37]
Zach Klapman
Hank Green did a great video analyzing this. He's like, they said that they. I mean, first of all, part of his staff said the tariffs were not a negotiation, but he said they are. But this is a great point. Like, all right, let's say the tariffs are there to bring manufacturing to the US and they start building a new factory here. But then the country negotiates itself and gets rid of the tariff that caused the factory to be built in the first place.
[07:55]
Matt Farah
Right.
[07:55]
Zach Klapman
Then what?
[07:56]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[07:56]
Zach Klapman
So you've painted yourself into two corners tariff Oroboros. Yeah, yeah.
[08:02]
Matt Farah
They keep building and then abandoning the same factory over and over.
[08:08]
Zach Klapman
Right. Manufacturing. Yeah, the manufacturing. Manufacturing. A factory business will do so well.
[08:14]
Matt Farah
If it wasn't, you know, so fascist.
[08:17]
Zach Klapman
Or if it wasn't just impacting and horrible.
[08:19]
Matt Farah
And horrible. Yeah. But anyway, go. I don't know when it's going up. They didn't. I didn't ask and they didn't. Dave and Gareth didn't say.
[08:28]
Zach Klapman
But true.
[08:29]
Matt Farah
Please go. Listen to us on the past times. I think it was. I think it was a pretty funny fucking show, actually. I think it was a really good time. I laughed a lot.
[08:38]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[08:39]
Matt Farah
And those guys are really, really funny. I've been driving the flying spur speed, which is the hybrid, and there's a photo of it right there. You literally cannot miss it.
[08:56]
Zach Klapman
Even at night.
[08:57]
Matt Farah
You can see it from. Oh, shit. Oh, and I haven't posted. I'll wait till I post the picture I got. What happened?
[09:04]
Zach Klapman
You just. You seem a little loud on the mic.
[09:05]
Matt Farah
I'm not sure why because I'm fucking probably screaming. I had like three coffees today.
[09:09]
Zach Klapman
Okay.
[09:09]
Matt Farah
I drank a lot of coffee today. I had to get up real early. It looks like a traffic cone for the radio people. It's what you. If you picture the pumpkin scheme in the 997 GT3RS and it is that black wheels, black accents, fucking orange.
[09:25]
Zach Klapman
Yeah. Not subtle.
[09:27]
Matt Farah
And wouldn't you know it, I went to the place on Malibu on Sunday with the wife. She came and some of our hydrogen. Brian and his wife.
[09:36]
Zach Klapman
The place, the wife, the Brian rolled.
[09:38]
Matt Farah
Up and parked the car, went to get a coffee. A fucking pumpkin GT3RS parked right next to me and I got the photo. What a treat. And I didn't even stage it. Just happened.
[09:49]
Zach Klapman
That's great.
[09:50]
Matt Farah
I'll have that for when I do the Instagram review.
[09:52]
Zach Klapman
How excited were they to park next to you?
[09:54]
Matt Farah
Also, never even met the owner.
[09:55]
Zach Klapman
How many bunch cars do you see in a day?
[09:57]
Matt Farah
It wasn't accidental. There were plenty of open spaces. That was full on intent. Yeah. Great for the gram. And actually it was great. Cause I went up to Good Vibes on Friday and it was like fucking white out fog.
[10:10]
Zach Klapman
I saw the pictures.
[10:12]
Matt Farah
It was, I mean, good thing I had a Bentley. I, you know, because I thought about leaving it at home and bringing the spider. Fucking that. It was 30 miles an hour the whole way. So, you know, I'm listening to a podcast and sipping a coffee and cruising with massage seats on in a car that is like a high vis jacket on wheels.
[10:29]
Zach Klapman
Very good point. Right?
[10:30]
Matt Farah
Super. And then I almost got fucking T boned by some college kids in a Hyundai up in the Crest. No, in the city. And like, look at this car. Imagine T boned. Like, imagine the shame if you T boned a car that looked like a literal safety barrier.
[10:51]
Zach Klapman
There's no worse day than T boning an orange Bentley because you can't tell the police you didn't see it. And your insurance says you hit what it costs. How much?
[11:01]
Matt Farah
Yeah, yeah.
[11:02]
Zach Klapman
In the daytime, it was day.
[11:03]
Matt Farah
Yeah. Broad daylight.
[11:05]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[11:05]
Matt Farah
Yeah. So but I think. And then I did that. I did like the, I did the scold. Like I looked at the, at the driver. Like, you know what, you almost just teed. Like, not in like a snobby rich guy way, but like this dude was like humming and full lock abs engagement, you know, like he stopped, I don't know, seven, eight feet from me as.
[11:31]
Zach Klapman
You were going across intersection.
[11:32]
Matt Farah
I stopped before. He wouldn't have hit. Okay, but like, I see so many T bones happen here that at every major intersection. I'm double checking. Also from motorcycling, you know, that's like a habit. So I saw this dude coming and I stopped and he. Like, I was in the intersection, but it wouldn't have been a crash. Cause I stopped short enough. But like, I gave him this look of like, you think about what you've just done because like the thing you just hit would have been exactly what you just said.
[12:07]
Zach Klapman
You know what's amazing? That works when someone's a teenager or you're a teenager. The shame of an adult and near danger or near accident. Yeah, like, I remember that. Sticking as a youth. And then once you become an adult, as we know from politics, shame doesn't work as well.
[12:22]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[12:22]
Zach Klapman
But man, I bet that that person will remember that moment for me.
[12:25]
Matt Farah
I've been able to use it twice in this car.
[12:27]
Zach Klapman
The thumbs down.
[12:28]
Matt Farah
The thumbs down. And now this. I did it. I did with the Sunglasses. I did the.
[12:33]
Zach Klapman
Took them off.
[12:33]
Matt Farah
I took them off and I did the like. Bro, what are we doing?
[12:38]
Zach Klapman
How do you not see this? Yeah, someone ran a red light right by my house a few mornings ago and. And they had a lot of time to like, my light went green. And I usually wait one second just in case someone's doing what they're doing. And this white Taurus wagon, you know, 96 with no front bumper and doors, just goes across in big I don't give a fuck mode. And like, that's a person who wouldn't have kicked.
[13:02]
Matt Farah
You hear the lack of bushings. Everyone knows that sound as it goes across the intersection. Just the clatter.
[13:12]
Zach Klapman
One of the best tricks, I think my dad told me this when I was learning to drive, is for intersections at nighttime. If you watch for headlight movement where you shouldn't see it, that's a good trick if you're a new driver or whatever, or especially on a motorcycle.
[13:23]
Matt Farah
Also nighttime mountain roads.
[13:24]
Zach Klapman
Very true, 100%.
[13:26]
Matt Farah
You see the headlights coming long before the car, actually. So anyway, this is Burr speed. It's giant and it's orange. It's very comfortable. And it's got that same Panamera Turbo SE hybrid powertrain, 750 horsepower. So you know what's so funny about this? The GT speed hybrids, which I love so much. I've gotten to drive them extensively, twice now. Both times involved racetracks and like, sliding them. Admittedly, not something that regular people are doing in their Bentleys, but something that really does demonstrate how like, balanced they. They are and. And what they can do agility wise with the weight. Right.
[14:09]
Zach Klapman
Never a more journalistic data point. Yeah, that will never be explored by the owner. But I understand what you're saying.
[14:15]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[14:15]
Zach Klapman
And I would do the same thing.
[14:16]
Matt Farah
Yeah, of course, if you could. You should. I highly recommend it.
[14:20]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[14:20]
Matt Farah
So with the spur, like, A, I didn't go to a racetrack, and B, look at. Why would I go to a racetrack? I'm absolutely not going to a racetrack with this vehicle. And so also, it's way longer. The wheelbase is longer. It's a huge car. And rear steer does go a long way with these big sedans when it comes to making them feel a little smaller, but the actual length of it, I don't know if it's because of the hybrid battery in the back and the weight difference and whatever, but that second, it has a slight secondary vibration that's just from its size that almost everything that big has from big SUVs and stuff like that. Pickup trucks. But like the GTs and coupes and stuff don't have it. And so it has that, which makes it feel like just a little less solid and fucking amazing than the coupe. And I don't think the extra power that comes from the like, the fact that it's 750 horsepower versus 500 horsepower makes no difference whatsoever because that's not how you're driving it, except very, very rarely. The fact that it has like almost 50 miles of usable EV range means that like I drove it in electric like 90% of the time. And an electric Bentley, while still very nice and comfortable and incredibly well made and smooth and quiet, is not as special as a Bentley like engine, even if that engine comes from Porsche and is tuned.
[16:01]
Zach Klapman
That's interesting because we've talked about how with Rolls Royce, an EV makes the most sense.
[16:05]
Matt Farah
It does.
[16:06]
Zach Klapman
The whole objective of that is to be as smooth as possible. And Bentley, I feel like, has also tried to be very smooth but always kept a little bit of that. Sporty.
[16:14]
Matt Farah
It's gotta be sporty. Yeah. No, in like sport mode, when it's using, it's fabulous. And so like, it's like, it's great at like everything. Like, this car doesn't do anything poorly. I'm really nitpicky, actually. No, there's one problem with this car that drove me off the wall that I never experienced in any of the coupes I've driven, which is three cars. Now, folks, gotta take a quick break because today's show is sponsored by Kramo. Look, here's the thing about being a larger than average human. You're always a little self conscious about being sweaty and you're always a little self conscious about being smelly, even if you're really neither of those things. So just in case Kramer is here. It's designed to provide men with 48 hour odor protection. Whether it's the deodorant or the creams, it's got everything you need to stay moisturized, to stay antiperspirated, and to stay odor free. 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The only way to get 20% off is to go to joindeleteme.com tire and enter code tire at checkout. That's join delete me.com tire code tire. And now back to the show. You get in it, you sit down, you hit start, which is right by the shifter. And start, it comes on speed, turns around, and it always starts in EV mode. If you have battery, you can quickly click out of that if you want, but that's the default. All right. It starts, the radio comes on, the climate control comes on. I put on my seatbelt, I'm there, I'm settled in. I plug in my phone to the charger. That process takes, I don't know, four or five seconds. It's powered up, and because it's EV mode, the car doesn't start. I go to put the shifter into reverse, and it doesn't go in reverse, and a thing pops up, and it says, start engine to select a gear. And you then have to press the start button again, but not always. Only sometimes. Can't figure it out. Clearly not normal, because I would have noticed this in 2000 miles of driving the coupe if this is normal. So this car's got, like, 7,000 miles on it. Might be early build, might be a little wonky, but, like, that was annoying, and I hope that's not normal. I don't think it is, but it was happening. And then that. I just think that, like, if you want the. The limousine bit, either the gas 1, the V8 one with less. Less power is more than fine. It's. That's a fast car still, and it saves some weight, and I think it might not have that extra little shake in it from the. From the extra mass or, like, hold out for some kind of electric limousine. Just pure electric. I don't. I don't think it's. The hybrid system serves the sedan in the same way it serves the coupe, even though it's, like, effectively the same car.
[22:24]
Zach Klapman
Just with that especially, I mean, do you like the hybrid version of the Panamera? Because it has that duality. Interesting.
[22:32]
Matt Farah
And. I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. It goes to show you that most of this job is vibes.
[22:42]
Zach Klapman
Yeah. I mean, it's extremely subjective because, I mean, I look at it and I go, okay, you drove it around in EV mode a lot.
[22:49]
Matt Farah
A lot.
[22:49]
Zach Klapman
So that speaks to how enjoyable the EV experience is, I think, for daily driving, because you have the city, certainly in the city, and you're like, why use it?
[22:56]
Matt Farah
It also shows you how little horsepower you actually need in your day. And by the way, the ev, you know, the E motor in this car, just like the Panamera is in the gearbox. So you have gears, it's an E motor, but you can feel it going through all of the gears. And so you can drive in EV mode up to like 90, 100 miles an hour if you've got the battery. And because it's got those gears, it's not like oh, in the city it's efficient and in the highway it's inefficient. It's actually pretty efficient on the highway for an electric car. Like for an electric powertrain. Pretty surprising how much is it inefficient or. No, it is pretty efficient given its weight and all that. Like it's. I'm not measuring miles to kilowatt hour, but it's like the range of the electric powertrain is enough that for many people you could drive it around in only electric and the gas engine would never have to come on.
[23:53]
Zach Klapman
And is that the problem with this, where the engine is enjoyable and part of the Bentley kind of image? But if you just drive around the city all the time, you probably get used to the EV and then you have this engine you're not using.
[24:06]
Matt Farah
I think maybe I'd rather have either. And this is. They probably tear their hair out me saying this. I think I'd rather have an electric Bentley with a range extender that had like full power, electric, fast, you know, Taycan based, but Bentley. Right. That gave me 200 miles and had a small but smooth range extender that would allow me to continue driving at some limited power level. You know, 300 horsepower for indefinitely or a fast gas one. I'd like to have those both. Rather than have a 50 mile one that then has a big gas engine. But that's just me. And they probably don't need to make that.
[24:51]
Zach Klapman
I mean, I'm laughing because I'm kind of. It's like this kind of gives you both almost. And you're unhappy with that solution.
[24:59]
Matt Farah
Which is weird because in the Coupe it's totally fine, right?
[25:02]
Zach Klapman
Exactly. Like that is confusing.
[25:04]
Matt Farah
It is confusing. And maybe it's only because the circumstances in which I drove them were so much different.
[25:09]
Zach Klapman
Probably that.
[25:10]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[25:10]
Zach Klapman
Because if you, if you only drive this thing around the city and you never get to get on a highway on a long drive or go fast, you don't get to enjoy that engine.
[25:17]
Matt Farah
Can you look up the weight of this? Yeah, the coupe is much more dynamic than this. It really is. The added weight, the added length of this. It's fast for a big sedan, but the coupe is fast. Like, period. The coupe is a much faster vehicle on a windy mountain road for sure than this. This also didn't have ceramic brakes, which does sort of go a long way when you have 750 horsepower. Like, I probably wouldn't get a speed without ceramic brakes, even though they're comically expensive. I think there's $16,000 on a Bentley to get ceramics. But this car is so heavy and it's so much horsepower.
[26:06]
Zach Klapman
Well, the coupe merchants said the coupe is £5,400. Yes, it is.
[26:14]
Matt Farah
Flying spur continental. Flying spur speed. Curb weight. Yeah, it's a long name. Bentley Continental flying spur speed.
[26:27]
Zach Klapman
There we go. Road and track has a review of this exact car.
[26:30]
Matt Farah
Of the orange one.
[26:30]
Zach Klapman
Yep.
[26:32]
Matt Farah
Who wrote it? Let's judge them. It might have the estimated curb weight. I don't know if someone's actually put.
[26:40]
Zach Klapman
On a scale yet. Bentley says the new speed is 58:33.
[26:44]
Matt Farah
Yeah, that's a heavy boy. That's a heavy boy.
[26:47]
Zach Klapman
That's a lot.
[26:47]
Matt Farah
Yeah, that's a lot. You know, with 750 horsepower is enough to make that much weight scoot. But without the ceramic brakes, I think it's. You can't get into the corners so much. Oh, look, that. That is definitely.
[27:01]
Zach Klapman
It will Sable. Courtney wrote this one.
[27:03]
Matt Farah
Oh, yeah. I wonder who shot that. That doesn't look like Bentley. That looks like a. Doesn't say photos. Okay, well, there it is. Yep, that's the car. So I'm glad we have those photos. I'm gonna write an Instagram review as well. But you know, you guys, it is gorgeous. I mean, you get it. I'm not going to go for orange, but in the right color combo. Holy hell. Do these things look good?
[27:28]
Zach Klapman
Yeah. And a good green or. There's so many good colors and a.
[27:32]
Matt Farah
Couple of people brought up. Can you go back to that front three quarter view again, please? Can you see it in the. In this photo? You can see it at the. In the middle of the grill. Sort of off center is this big camera. That looks awful. That's the night vision camera. And it's optional.
[27:48]
Zach Klapman
So if you ever use the night vision, I probably drift around other than.
[27:53]
Matt Farah
I have used before.
[27:54]
Zach Klapman
I've used it before. Do you find value or benefit?
[27:57]
Matt Farah
Yeah, it's cool. I mean, if you're driving in like rural areas, like, you can see like. Like if there's a deer in the road, you can see other cars that. That are idling on the side of the road. Like you know, it's pretty rad. Okay. Pedestrians, things like that.
[28:12]
Zach Klapman
I mean, I'm sure the headlights are also bright as fuck.
[28:14]
Matt Farah
Oh yeah. And they are adaptive, you know, but. But it's a neat thing. But if that like there are people that are like, oh, it's like, well, hang on you. That's an option you don't have to get. So don't panic.
[28:26]
Zach Klapman
I don't think I've been in a. Or used night vision in a car in like 10 years. So I'm just curious.
[28:31]
Matt Farah
Cadillacs was pretty good in the Escalade. That one was pretty good. Yeah. Drive that car.
[28:37]
Zach Klapman
That's what I'm saying. Like I don't have experience with it, so I'm wondering. I know it's in there, but do people like it? Do they use it or. Because headlight technology has come so far.
[28:45]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[28:45]
Zach Klapman
Is it almost like a gimmick that it has. But you go. I don't find myself hitting that button a lot because then you also have to bring your eyes down to the center stack. Right?
[28:53]
Matt Farah
No, it's in the gauge cluster.
[28:55]
Zach Klapman
Okay.
[28:55]
Matt Farah
So I mean slightly down. Yeah, I think it's pretty good. Yeah. I've used it a few times and I mean I'm not sure I'd like pay five grand for it or whatever, but it's all right. So I'll write a thing about this car, but that one I wanted to say, I really do like the light up Bentley, the crystal wings which you can see on the. On the beat hood ornament there. Those light up at night. That's like. That one's actually pretty pimp. I like that.
[29:22]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
[29:23]
Matt Farah
Yeah, but you got to get. If you're gonna get the speed, you gotta get the ceramics. I would bless you. Yeah. We got two cars going to air water this weekend. Come out and say hello. The Taycan and which is going to be looking excellent.
[29:39]
Zach Klapman
When will that be done?
[29:41]
Matt Farah
Probably tomorrow, maybe Wednesday, I don't know but we gotta. I gotta take the spider down there on Friday and then come back and then you and I'll go down in the Tycon on Saturday. Gonna be a long day.
[29:55]
Zach Klapman
Yep.
[29:55]
Matt Farah
Lots of sunscreen we will need. But I've booked.
[30:00]
Zach Klapman
I'll just. I think I'm gonna end up taking a nap in the Tycon.
[30:03]
Matt Farah
That's okay. Yeah. Fold the back seats down like bring us. Bring a sleeping bag. Yeah. I told. I've booked out here at WCCS the whole day for washes for my shit.
[30:15]
Zach Klapman
Today or.
[30:16]
Matt Farah
Well, Ryan is coming down from Sacramento with his, like, he's got some fucking insane racing body kit now that's like a competitor to manti on his 4Rs. So he's driving it down, whatever, seven hours from Sacramento. So my guys have to do those three cars.
[30:35]
Zach Klapman
Which day is that happening?
[30:36]
Matt Farah
Friday.
[30:37]
Zach Klapman
Okay. Because I need my car washed because I'm gonna film it with the 405 media guy on Wednesday, I think, so I get it cleaned.
[30:44]
Matt Farah
Oh, okay. All right.
[30:45]
Zach Klapman
I'll bring it by.
[30:46]
Matt Farah
That's, that's, that's okay. You have the privileges.
[30:48]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, I know. I just want to make sure I'm not in the line, you know, behind.
[30:51]
Matt Farah
No, no, Friday, Friday. You got to get the. You gotta, you can, I can add you to the detailing calendar. Like, who the fuck's putting watches in the calendar? This is bullshit.
[31:01]
Zach Klapman
Well, washing my car just got a little more complicated because my rear window, you know, the little. The pop outs that the E46 has.
[31:08]
Matt Farah
Oh, yeah.
[31:09]
Zach Klapman
One of them has just decided to detach itself, like from the motor.
[31:13]
Matt Farah
Like the window.
[31:14]
Zach Klapman
Like you hit close and it flaps. It flaps in the wind. Yeah, it's great. It's really making me happy. So not only do I have to now figure that out, I also went, well, I need to get this car washed. And then I look at that and I go, how do I hold this fucking window in?
[31:29]
Matt Farah
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[33:20]
Zach Klapman
Tape. Gaffer tape.
[33:21]
Matt Farah
Suction cups.
[33:23]
Zach Klapman
Oh, yeah. Such a cross.
[33:25]
Matt Farah
Yeah. There we go. Do you have the extender pole still?
[33:28]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, this is. That's great.
[33:29]
Matt Farah
It'll look like a hardest part. You look tough as shit, dude.
[33:32]
Zach Klapman
It's like, well, I only need to do it for the wash. I don't care about having it when I'm filming it. But to wash the car, I obviously need that window closed. Yeah.
[33:40]
Matt Farah
There we go.
[33:41]
Zach Klapman
Best car in the world.
[33:42]
Matt Farah
See? Aren't you glad you asked? I asked your friend Matt about that.
[33:44]
Zach Klapman
Cars are so fun.
[33:45]
Matt Farah
That sucks. It just came out.
[33:48]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, it was fine. And then it wasn't because. Bavarian Motor Workshop.
[33:54]
Matt Farah
You just described a car breaking.
[33:56]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, that's true. But sometimes they sputter, you know, sometimes there's a little hiccup, like a check engine light that goes on and then goes off.
[34:06]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[34:06]
Zach Klapman
You know something's happening. Window just one day just started to wave to everybody. Yeah.
[34:12]
Matt Farah
What was the cadence of the flap? Was it like a.
[34:15]
Zach Klapman
Depends on the speed. But I drove to see the flat.
[34:17]
Matt Farah
If you turn left under braking, does it pop out, like, almost like an.
[34:22]
Zach Klapman
Air brake, like a wire? That would be great. No, it just shows.
[34:25]
Matt Farah
Or like a left turn signal from the 40s.
[34:27]
Zach Klapman
I'd say the BPM is like 80 when you're driving. It's like, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, Dun. Yeah, it's 70 miles an hour. It's got a BP. How much lo fi? Well, it only opens as much as it normally would open.
[34:39]
Matt Farah
Oh, okay. So it doesn't be the limit. All right. I thought I'm. I'm picturing this thing, like, flapping in the wind.
[34:45]
Zach Klapman
No, if he did that, it would just break.
[34:46]
Matt Farah
Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, that's. Yeah, that's the fear, I think.
[34:49]
Zach Klapman
There's like a vacuum that happens, and then it goes away and it opens again. It's awesome. BMWs are fantastic. Matt, you know why people say that.
[34:57]
Matt Farah
It'S a power motor, right? Yeah, yeah. It's a luxury car.
[35:00]
Zach Klapman
Should be easy to fix too. You know that motor's buried in the fucking C pillar.
[35:05]
Matt Farah
Well, now it's aren't. Don't you have to tartan your pillars?
[35:08]
Zach Klapman
Yes, I ordered the tartan. Right. So while we're in there, While we.
[35:11]
Matt Farah
Were in there, while you're in there, you gotta take that shit off.
[35:14]
Zach Klapman
Anyway, I know it's a good thing this happened now.
[35:16]
Matt Farah
I guess instead of just working, you demised. You should fucking. You should order two just in case the other one breaks. While you're in there, you guys embrace it.
[35:27]
Zach Klapman
That a BMW window motor is cheap. I'm sure. Sure, I'm sure.
[35:31]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[35:31]
Zach Klapman
Right?
[35:32]
Matt Farah
Definitely cheap.
[35:32]
Zach Klapman
This I figured out the reason that people joke that BMW owners are just eventual Porsche owners is because you go, oh, I like the refinement and the do everything and the sportiness and all this stuff, but you get really tired of shit breaking.
[35:46]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[35:47]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[35:48]
Matt Farah
We're about to sell two BMWs. At WCCS.
[35:53]
Zach Klapman
I sell a third one.
[35:55]
Matt Farah
They're both. They're like. So we have a clown shoe, S52, black over tan ostrich. I didn't know this was an option.
[36:07]
Zach Klapman
Like with the little nubbins. Yeah, interesting.
[36:09]
Matt Farah
I didn't know this was an option, but it looks amazing. It has under 11,000 miles on it.
[36:15]
Zach Klapman
I don't like the ostrich. It looks like nipples everywhere.
[36:17]
Matt Farah
It's probably not for everybody. I happen to think it looks cool as fuck because it's not like the nubbins aren't, like, offensively contrasty. It's just. It's sort of from far away, it looks like just sort of textured leather. It's pretty rad. Very, very low miles car. Been in storage with us for quite some time and basically never driven the entire time it's been with us. But it's like, mint. And then we have the nicest E46 M3 I have ever seen in my life. It has 6,300 miles on it.
[36:52]
Zach Klapman
Whoa.
[36:53]
Matt Farah
Came from EAG and has a full OEM CSL conversion on it with, like BBS wheels and shit.
[37:01]
Zach Klapman
What color is it?
[37:02]
Matt Farah
That like, blue gray color, Like, I can't remember. It's like a sparkly blue gray. It's fucking amazing.
[37:15]
Zach Klapman
Wow.
[37:15]
Matt Farah
Yeah, it's gonna be. It's gonna be enormous money. It's the nicest.
[37:18]
Zach Klapman
I've never seen one nicer than yours, too. Because yours was.
[37:22]
Matt Farah
Mine was perfect. It's the same exact condition as mine, which is perfect, but it has all this CSL shit on it and it has the odometer reads less than half of what mine read.
[37:33]
Zach Klapman
Is it SMG or they keep it?
[37:34]
Matt Farah
No, it's stick.
[37:35]
Zach Klapman
Oh, good.
[37:35]
Matt Farah
Yeah. I drove it this morning for the bring a trailer video. It's unbelievable. It's the best driving E46 M3 I've ever trained. Well, yeah, it was awesome. It'll be big money, so that'll be fun. We have many, many, many questions. We do, yeah. And so we can get to those.
[37:53]
Zach Klapman
A couple leftovers from the other day, and then we got some fun new ones as well.
[37:58]
Matt Farah
I also have made. Did I tell you I made pebble beach plans?
[38:02]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, yeah.
[38:03]
Matt Farah
Okay. Oh, I did. Was it last? So was that just like you told.
[38:06]
Zach Klapman
Me as a person?
[38:07]
Matt Farah
I told you as a person?
[38:08]
Zach Klapman
Yeah. You invited me to the house.
[38:09]
Matt Farah
I don't remember. Yes. Okay, cool. So, yeah, that's gonna be a good time. We'll talk about that on the show later when it makes sense. I actually think that the outdoor area would be good for a campfire podcast, Cigars podcast. But let's get to it. We got a bunch on the old Patreon, of course, if you want to check out the live stream. Get the show before everybody else, ask questions for the show, and get exclusive early invites to collabs such as the Notice Canyon. A lot of people asking me about it. I don't have an exact release date. It will be very soon for the green and the black Pearl. I think the guys at Notice have a little more to deal with with the tariff bullshit than my one watch right now. So I'm trying to not be too pushy about it, but scheduled for production very soon. Colin says I'm looking at a 1999 C43AMG for sale locally to use as a daily driver. Trying to get a better understanding of the current value and general opinion of these cars. Are they under the radar brilliance that I should stretch for while the price is reasonable? The thing about all old Mercedes, like 90s Mercedes is the performance and stuff was really good for the time. They look good. I think the styling is. You could. I mean, I happen to think they look really nice. I think that era of cars is a handsome car.
[39:51]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[39:52]
Matt Farah
But it does have a small V8, and that's nice.
[39:56]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[39:57]
Matt Farah
But I think a lot of these cars, because they have an automatic gearbox, because they have relatively slow steering, when they get older, they Just sort of feel like well made.
[40:10]
Zach Klapman
But like old sedans, you know, these lack excitement. Yeah, bigly.
[40:16]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[40:16]
Zach Klapman
And a lot of it is that transmission that for so long we've talked about it, it's a five speed slush box, big ratios. It will feel like a really solid, nice car.
[40:26]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[40:27]
Zach Klapman
But I don't find them exciting at all.
[40:29]
Matt Farah
I don't either. And I think that's the reason that they're still kind of under the radar, is that they're not that exciting to drive. And you can get like a contemporary E55 for like only a couple thousand bucks more than one of these. And I think that has at least some of the pedigree. Whereas, you know, if like these are like cool like gearhead cars. Like if Zach was like, yo, look at this thing I got as a daily. And it was like this would make a cool like run around daily. But it's not exciting.
[41:02]
Zach Klapman
It does, you know, it's missing the Autobahn. Like, you know, je ne sais quoi. Like the big sedans have the E55AMG. Like you look at that. It looks fast, it sounds fast, it is faster. And this, if you look at it, it's surprising. It has a V8 in it.
[41:17]
Matt Farah
Yeah. Red zed says if I want to park 40 to 50k in a watch for a. What am I buying? If you don't care about wearing it, if you care about wearing it, you should buy a watch you want to wear. That's first and foremost. Buying a watch you don't want to wear. Okay. You want to store value, fine investment in terms of guaranteed appreciation. Not a great idea. But you did say park. Park is the right word. That's the right word if you consider it money in, money out. And you can buy it without paying a lot in taxes that you'll never see again. That's why like the taxes and like maybe a service. That's why you want to get some enjoyment out of the watch. So you still, even if you're not going to wear it much, you still want to like, want something you want to wear. 40 to 50,000. It's got to be a Rolex, AP or Patek. A three hand Royal Oak is a great place to start. AP Royal Oak, a great big red Daytona, early Daytona, a great Zenith Daytona, a great vintage Submariner is a great place to start something that's just like people will always want if you want to be able to get your money back out. Something that's like a known quantity and also that kind of Money you should be buying from an incredibly trusted source. You can't fuck around with something like that. IsthatAbuick says, what is your favorite car related activity? Driving Canyons, Grand Touring, racetrack cars and coffee, man, that's tough. Love them all. That's like when people saying, what's your favorite car to drive? What's yours, Zach? Could you even have a favorite?
[43:16]
Zach Klapman
I think, I think racetrack if I had to because I think the other things are like driving in the canyons is a supplement to racetrack driving. Not in terms of speed, but it's performance driving. So I'm just trying to scratch that same itch. And I think nothing has been as exciting or fun as driving on a racetrack, especially wheel to wheel with lemons or something like that. Actual racing, actual racing is more fun and you get to explore the limits of the car safely and really hone your skills and approach each corner over and over again. Because you're driving the same loop, essentially.
[43:47]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[43:48]
Zach Klapman
So, but cars and coffee is a totally different thing entirely. Like that's hanging out with friends.
[43:53]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[43:53]
Zach Klapman
So that's a different kind of enjoyment. And it depends on the company and how hot it is outside.
[43:58]
Matt Farah
Right. Like, yeah, man, this is tough because like, just like which car is my favorite? I think like part of the reason that makes me sort of good at this job is like all of this stuff. It's like, well, what day is it?
[44:12]
Zach Klapman
What?
[44:12]
Matt Farah
You know, like what day is it? Where are we? What's the weather? What's what? What are we driving on the track? What is this? Like, like I can't, like, if I'm talking about pure like fizz, like drifting or like those cross carts.
[44:29]
Zach Klapman
Right.
[44:30]
Matt Farah
Rally stuff, stuff like that. Like just, just having a car real loose, you know, something like that, where I'm just moving the car around like, and wrestling it and like, like that could be happening with a McLaren on a racetrack, like a couple weeks ago. It could be happening in a Subaru on a stage. Like, that's really fun. But also like a road trip with my wife. Like that's probably not a great answer, but like, I love that, you know, a Cars and Coffee. Like you said, we don't care about the cars at a Cars and Coffee. That's just an excuse to see our friends, most of whom are tangentially related to that activity anyway.
[45:09]
Zach Klapman
True.
[45:11]
Matt Farah
And so it's like it depends what the day is, man. Hard to have a favorite. But getting a car loose and controlling its movements unrelated to where the nose is pointed, that's the Most fun.
[45:26]
Zach Klapman
Exactly.
[45:27]
Matt Farah
Cadillac Control V. I love that name. That's a good one. I'm a truck fleet mechanic. I work on trucks that belong to contractors, a bunch of government, et cetera. I was having a debate with another tech about how they are purchased. Do you think they buy these trucks? Are they financed, bought outright, leased? These customers easily have 100 plus trucks and most of them are upfitted with cranes, tanks, equipment, et cetera. There are people who work for those agencies that are the procurement people that buy trucks. In fact, these people, if you read Reddit, you see these posts from folks like this all the time. Like I buy 100 trucks a month for my business, ask me anything. And typically they're trying to like slyly promote their, you know, either their how to buy their consultancy business. Right. But like they're definitely financed. There's no way companies are paying outright for these things because they're depreciating them and all that. And if they're buying that many and it's backed by like the government, of course they're getting a great rate.
[46:30]
Zach Klapman
They're either financing the purchase or leasing it. And someone replied Savage Sharkey, who is a government account auditor and they said that usually you do cost analysis no matter what. It's common to lease things like a school bus that has a resale market but less common on specialized equipment.
[46:47]
Matt Farah
Oh yeah, makes sense that they buy.
[46:49]
Zach Klapman
Because no one wants to release it.
[46:51]
Matt Farah
Sure, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Oh, I'm glad that we actually was able to get like an answer. Why were we even debating that? You should have just read their answer. That was the right answer. Tribe called Chef. That's a good. Have any recommendations on watch band storage? Having them all in the bottom drawer of my watch box is getting unwieldy, bro. I feel you Watch band storage can be a problem and I have a solution for you. Actually the same as knife storage. I went on Etsy and just like do it. Just go like Etsy.com and look up like kitchen organizer drawer custom ins and I had a person make me a drawer insert for my closet drawer that organizes all of my watch bands by size. So yeah, like one of these like you'd have made for your but you can basically like once you contact the person who makes these, you can like draw it out. So I just like drew it on a thing and with dimensions and they made exactly the thing I want.
[48:08]
Zach Klapman
So do you have like 19 mil and 120, 22. Got it.
[48:11]
Matt Farah
And then I have like my tools My strap change tools. I've got, like, the thing for the pins. Some other, like, rant. I have a drawer where, like, all of the watches that originally came with bracelets that now have straps. I keep the bracelets, like, organized in a thing, like. Yeah. And it was a couple hundred bucks. I don't know, 200 bucks maybe. But, like, it solves this problem dead. And then you get a P Touch label going.
[48:34]
Zach Klapman
Ooh, fucking label it up. You do need that. Yeah.
[48:39]
Matt Farah
Oh, my God. I got P touches in different area codes. Samir, you're breaking the car. God. They're getting better, Zach.
[48:48]
Zach Klapman
They're getting much better.
[48:49]
Matt Farah
They're evolving.
[48:50]
Zach Klapman
It's a game now, and I like it.
[48:51]
Matt Farah
They're evolving. Doing Extreme Experience for my birthday in June, which is one of those track day experiences with supercars and such. Should I drive the Z06 or the GT4RS?
[49:07]
Zach Klapman
Did he ask this last week? Maybe. Maybe. Oh, this is a leftover.
[49:10]
Matt Farah
This was a leftover.
[49:11]
Zach Klapman
I say GT4RS because it's just. I think it's a more special experience.
[49:15]
Matt Farah
You know, Road and track performance car of the year.
[49:18]
Zach Klapman
Oh, wait, which generation? Z06.
[49:20]
Matt Farah
Oh, it's got to be the new one.
[49:22]
Zach Klapman
Okay.
[49:22]
Matt Farah
Yeah, it's going to be the new one. You think, dude, you think C7Z06s are going to last at a Las Vegas track day experience?
[49:31]
Zach Klapman
No, that's true. Yeah. Grand sports might.
[49:34]
Matt Farah
Yeah. So in the 2021, or maybe 22, whichever it was performance car of the year, we had the Z06 and the GT4RS competing. The Z06 won. But as is tradition with yours truly, I put the GT4RS number one and the Z06 number two. If you like Porsches, you should drive the GT4RS.
[50:00]
Zach Klapman
I think they're also more. You'll see so many Corvettes around that seeing a GT4RS even just in passing is probably less common. So I think they'll feel more special.
[50:11]
Matt Farah
And if you. I mean, driving one on the track is way better than driving one on the street. I mean, you're gonna be doing the thing that it does, and it is very, very fun for that. Here's what you should do if you haven't. You've never been to Extreme Experience or any one of these places before you do one, they offer you a discount on the next one, so you're probably gonna fall for it. But, like, you know, if they offer you a discount, you try both. I recommend it because if you're already at the track.
[50:40]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[50:40]
Matt Farah
The opportunity Cost of getting back there to do it again. The couple hundred bucks. Fucking do a couple laps in the Z06.
[50:46]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, both mid engine. Great.
[50:47]
Matt Farah
The Z06 is a real treat.
[50:49]
Zach Klapman
It's a serious car.
[50:50]
Matt Farah
That's a real fucking treat. Gin and Taconic State Parkway. Damn. Are you filtering by username? This is the random order of username.
[50:59]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[50:59]
Matt Farah
Gin and Taconic State Parkway is excellent. New to the watch game. I've only worn an apple watch, Nixon and a Casio and was just given from work a Cartier. Wow. A Santos. There you go. Santos is our excellent. That's my favorite Cartier. And if you don't know about the Cartier, you want to be able to lecture someone about the Cartier. That is essentially the first ever sport watch. This is called the Santos because it was a pilot named, I think it's Albert or Alberto Santos who wanted a watch that he could strap to his wrist and they made this for him. And one of the most iconic watch designs out now out ever. Really. Bunch of different sizes, bunch of different finishes. Really cool watch. Chicks dig them. If you want to attract ladies with a watch, you need a Cartier Santos. Trust me. Maintenance tips, first time watch owner. Assuming this is a brand new watch, you'll have a warranty. So that's good. And usually it's like a five year service they recommend, but given that a Santos has been in production forever, will be in production for the foreseeable future. I don't usually service watches until they stop running right. If they're not telling time right, bring them in for service. You're supposed to do rolexes like every five years. They say my Submariner went like 16 years.
[52:30]
Zach Klapman
Whoa.
[52:31]
Matt Farah
Yeah. My dad's Submariner went almost 20. My Daytona went 21 years, although it was worn much less frequently. So like. Yeah, so you don't need to do it every five years. It's for some kind of like super special watch that would be vintage, very hard to find parts for or something like that. Then yeah, maybe for five years. Because lubricating the good parts that are there is cheaper than replacing parts. But if the parts are still readily available then lubricate, you know, it'd be like changing your oil every thousand miles, you know, kind of thing. Oh, we covered what Zach's bedhead had to say.
[53:11]
Zach Klapman
Great name though. Someone watches the show instead of listening to it.
[53:14]
Matt Farah
Yeah, old Rusty Bimmer. Half baked idea. Pretending infrastructure exists. That is a half baked idea and that's pretty much what we're doing right now, actually. All future automatic transmission cars are ev and all ICE cars are manual with relaxed emission requirements. The take rate. Oh, okay. Well, basically the suggestion is that manuals get exempted from emission standards while all other cars are forced into ev. I think that's one of those ideas that the vast majority of people probably wouldn't like.
[53:56]
Zach Klapman
Yeah. Because that gives privilege to people who are willing to drive a manual and forces everyone else to drive an ev. And it's funny because a lot of people that drive automatics would probably enjoy an EV experience. But being forced into that corner, not going.
[54:11]
Matt Farah
Not great. Yeah, I mean, I like where your head is at. Right. And Leno, you know, Leno's trying to do this thing with. That would be a rolling carb exemption for 35 years old, which I think is great. Honestly, I think that's common sense. Even as someone who cares about clean air, I think that's common sense. And I think you'd have more people who would legally register their cars in California and pay taxes if they were given a path to that versus doing Shady Montana tags or whatever else. So you know what I'm realizing, like now that I'm a full beard guy is if I don't keep the mustache really fucking brushed straight down, a couple of them will curl up and just tickle the bottom of my nose and really make. Cause I don't know if you noticed, it seems like I've had a booger the last couple minutes. Not a booger mustache, just tickling as if it was a phantom booger.
[55:07]
Zach Klapman
I knew I was turning into my 40s because the nose hairs, when they grow longer, it also makes me think there's a booger all the time.
[55:13]
Matt Farah
Yeah. Get yourself a good nose hair trimmer.
[55:15]
Zach Klapman
No. Yeah.
[55:16]
Matt Farah
Ask guys out there if you don't know what a good nose hair trimmer is. Find your nearest Arab friend. They'll have a recommendation. Nice cams. Do you think the new ZR1 will have the same trajectory as the Z06? That is insane. Adm. And then Chevy makes too many and eventually they sell for under sticker.
[55:38]
Zach Klapman
Of course.
[55:38]
Matt Farah
Of course.
[55:39]
Zach Klapman
That's what they do.
[55:40]
Matt Farah
A horse is a horse, motherfuckers. Yes, of course. That is the Chevy way.
[55:44]
Zach Klapman
If you want to be early, you have to pay for it, basically. Because. Especially when the car is special and celebrated and praised. Yeah, yeah, that's market for it.
[55:52]
Matt Farah
Chevy cannot ever do exclusivity. They simply cannot help themselves. So, okay. Their loss, your gain.
[56:00]
Zach Klapman
I mean, Porsche does it with a lot of the RS products. Though, right. That it's not a limited product. They just roll them out at a certain speed and then there's a lot of ADM on there.
[56:08]
Matt Farah
Yeah. Grilled Tale of the Dragon Classic. Installing Steeda track springs on the GT500 today, but keeping factory magneride shocks for a daily driver weekend. Track toy. Is this the right approach or would you delete magneride into a set of kws? I mean track toy. Like if you're gonna be doing hot. I've heard heard of like overheating magneride shocks on very hot track days. I've never actually experienced that. Have you?
[56:40]
Zach Klapman
I have not.
[56:41]
Matt Farah
I've done a bunch of track work on magnetic shocks and I've never experienced that.
[56:46]
Zach Klapman
The Spring mountain school runs C8. They have mag ride and it was 90 degrees when I was there and we had some transmission issues but no one had suspension issues and we were running 20 minute sessions hard. So I think it depends on how long the sessions are and how hot it is wherever Grilled Tail is.
[57:01]
Matt Farah
I mean I've done Black wings. I've done 30 minute track sessions at Laguna Black Wings. No problem. I've done perform. We've done performance car of the year. Just 12 drivers and it's 95 degrees at Thunder Hill. Now granted it's not a continuous 30 minute session, but it's people in and out of the car all day in a hot day. So I've never personally had a problem, but the forums, people will say they've had problems maybe.
[57:30]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[57:31]
Matt Farah
So I would say you shouldn't throw something away that's working. If you have failures, then start to consider other options. But like magnetic ride is like good.
[57:42]
Zach Klapman
See how it is right now because you have those. And then if you have to upgrade, it sounds like you're willing and can afford to upgrade anyway. So do it when you have to. Yeah, I wouldn't do it preemptively.
[57:51]
Matt Farah
I wouldn't either. I think, I mean I think it's a while you're in there. Like I'm taking this apart. Should I change the shock? I still would say no. It's not so much work to change a shock that you should throw out mag ride before seeing if you like it.
[58:04]
Zach Klapman
If you're changing your own springs, don't use hose clamps to compress the spring. Use an actual tool.
[58:10]
Matt Farah
Yeah, don't use like camera mount clamps like Dengus Magoo says. What is the most. Oh, yesterday was my birthday and we're reading this late but happy late birthday Dengist Magoo, what is the most special thing someone has done for you on your birthday that in the moment didn't seem special? Oh, I mean, that was an easy question. That turned into a hard question.
[58:33]
Zach Klapman
I'm pretty sure something they did that at the time you're like, eh. And then later you went, actually, that's really nice.
[58:40]
Matt Farah
Well, I've told the story of my ninth birthday and the go kart. Right? I must have.
[58:47]
Zach Klapman
I mean, I know you owned a go kart.
[58:48]
Matt Farah
I owned a go kart. I owned a go kart. I got it for my ninth birthday. And not only did I own a go kart, our house, which was when my dad first started to get a little bit of success and we moved from a pretty small house to what would be considered, I don't know, maybe 5,000 square feet. Pretty big house. Pretty big house. And then the first house really was small. It was like 1200 square feet. And I've been there. It was small. So anyway, he first got money. And the house is on top of this big hill. It's woods. There's no view, but it's a quarter mile winding driveway up the fucking hill to the house. It's just our driveway. That's it. And at the bottom, even at the street, it opens up with a pretty wide mouth. At the bottom of the street, how.
[59:32]
Zach Klapman
Many turns are on the winding driveway? Like, was it a switchback thing or was it.
[59:37]
Matt Farah
So let's just. Let's Google it and look at it. We can see it. It's 2580 West Wesley Road, Atlanta, Georgia. And please, if anyone lives near there, do not. I lived there fucking 30 years ago. Please do not. Do not go there. So do we have. Oh, they've put up, like gate things. We didn't have the gate thing, so. So there. Yeah, that's it. So there's two. It's two big sweeping corners. But the house is pretty way back and up the hill. Right. Maybe I remember it being a little longer than it was, but it was pretty.
[60:15]
Zach Klapman
Take these corners full throttle, I believe.
[60:17]
Matt Farah
So you go down the hill a little more carefully because it ended at the street. And you'd go flat all the way up the hill. And then if you punch in on the house a little bit, there used to be in front of the house, like the driveway. Yeah, you can see there's the whole front of the house all the way around from the left side to the right is concrete. So, like, you could like, with a go kart. Holy shit. You could make this. So I got up on my. On my ninth birthday, and there was this Go kart and, like, glory day, right? Greatest day of my life to that point, by far. And there was another present, and this one was my mom's idea, and that was to take me to Cats the music.
[61:02]
Zach Klapman
What?
[61:03]
Matt Farah
And I had to leave the Go Kart after about an hour to go to Cats the musical. Now, I wasn't.
[61:09]
Zach Klapman
I know you like Cats.
[61:10]
Matt Farah
I like Cats the animal.
[61:12]
Zach Klapman
Now, did she get them confused?
[61:14]
Matt Farah
No. No. I don't recall ever saying a thing about a cat ever before when I was a kid, so. And Cats the musical. Not good.
[61:25]
Zach Klapman
Like, were you into musicals?
[61:26]
Matt Farah
No, no, I was into a musical. I was into one musical. It was called Starlight Express, and it was about trains on roller skates.
[61:34]
Zach Klapman
I'm just wondering, actually. Still pretty cool where the idea came from that your mom was like, you took. Okay.
[61:39]
Matt Farah
So we went as a family, and I suffered through.
[61:43]
Zach Klapman
Longest play in the world.
[61:44]
Matt Farah
Yeah. Suffered through it. And intermission, my dad was like, you want to go drive the goat? Yep. And me. And we left my mom and my sister there, and we went and left.
[61:56]
Zach Klapman
You left the show.
[61:56]
Matt Farah
Left the show.
[61:57]
Zach Klapman
Walked out.
[61:58]
Matt Farah
Walked out. Roger's a G. Roger's always a champ.
[62:01]
Zach Klapman
You brought two cars, man of the people.
[62:03]
Matt Farah
No, we took a taxi home and left the car.
[62:05]
Zach Klapman
Oh, what a fucking G. Yeah, boss.
[62:07]
Matt Farah
Yeah. And I spent the next 12 hours up, down, up, down, up, down, up, down. Like, 75 tanks of gas. Up, down, up, down.
[62:15]
Zach Klapman
The best gift there is leaving the musical to go back to the actual gift you're excited about.
[62:20]
Matt Farah
To the Go Kart. Wow. Imagine that. And you wonder why my mother and I didn't get along when we were younger.
[62:28]
Zach Klapman
Yeah. You were forever traumatized and angry about that. You're like, you took me away from this, and now cars are your job. Maybe she understands it.
[62:36]
Matt Farah
Yeah. It was a series of misunderstandings of who I was as a person.
[62:41]
Zach Klapman
I think she wanted to go see Cats. She did. I got you this gift. Like, this is for you. She loved it, right?
[62:47]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[62:47]
Zach Klapman
That's a gift for her.
[62:48]
Matt Farah
Love you, Mom. Get your mom something nice for Mother's Day, people. Okay, now we're up to questions that.
[62:54]
Zach Klapman
Were original car I should buy your.
[62:55]
Matt Farah
Mom for today for the South Carolina houses.
[63:01]
Zach Klapman
You get to a golf cart, tickets to something awesome that I like. Yeah, like the Fast and Furious. No. That she likes. But then distract her by taking her to something you like and be like, no, we'll get back to that other thing later.
[63:13]
Matt Farah
Yeah, I don't think she'll get the reference.
[63:15]
Zach Klapman
No.
[63:16]
Matt Farah
No, we don't talk about this. We don't talk about this part of my life anymore.
[63:21]
Zach Klapman
So quiet at that dinner table.
[63:22]
Matt Farah
The Go kart. The Go Kart, believe it or not, still exists. It's been passed around, like, passed along to, like, you know, whenever, like, the person who gets it turns, you know, 16, they pass it to, like, their little cousin. I hear about it once in a while. Back through the fucking grapevine. Yeah, good little Go Kart, little Briggs and Stratton joint.
[63:41]
Zach Klapman
That's all you need.
[63:42]
Matt Farah
It was the basic, like. It was like, you know, little steel tubes, little ladder friend.
[63:46]
Zach Klapman
That was mad basic. My friend had one because his dad was a shop teacher. And I drove it once and, like, learned what sliding was. Yeah, it hooked in my brain, and every time I went there, I wanted to drive the Go Kart. He was like, no, let's play computer games. Games, dude. Let's go outside.
[64:00]
Matt Farah
Are you fucking kidding? Yeah. So, like, actually, I talked about the big pavement in front of the house. So I didn't talk about, you know, if you'd come up the big, fast hill and turned right. It was a huge concrete pad that looped around the house, and the garage was on the side. Okay, so that was, like, one section of the track. But if you turn left to the top of the hill, there was, like, some concrete, but then grass and, like, pretty flat grass. And no curb transition, just smooth. So I learned very quickly that you go into the grass and you just huck that bitch. And, man. Yeah. And the grass did not last very long. And my parents were actually pretty good sports about it.
[64:42]
Zach Klapman
Oh, really? They're like, that can be the CART section.
[64:44]
Matt Farah
They said once I wrecked it for, like, a minute, they were, like, mad. And then they were like, okay, I'll tell you what. You can have the rest of this season with this grass. Oh, that's. You know, we've got you Go Kart. You have the whole. You have the best Go Kart driveway in the world. They would also put the Go Kart in the back of the minivan, and we would go to empty office parks, and I'd rip office parks on weekends. That was the shit. A huge closed office park to my. Oh, my God. It was amazing. My dad was pretty awesome about this Go Kart.
[65:16]
Zach Klapman
That's very cool.
[65:17]
Matt Farah
But, yeah, they gave me one season with the lawn, and then that was it. No more drifting on the lawn.
[65:22]
Zach Klapman
Colin Brown, who's won Daytona now, and Sebring and stuff. And his dad's a very good engineer for team Corvette, I think. But they built a go kart track in the backyard in Texas. So the kids just dirt or tarmac?
[65:35]
Matt Farah
Tarmac.
[65:35]
Zach Klapman
So you understand why Colin's so fucking good at racing. Because it's just every day, all the time, rain, sun, heat, whatever, just out there going, going, going.
[65:43]
Matt Farah
That's the dream.
[65:44]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[65:45]
Matt Farah
Yeah. On site racetrack. That's fucking great. Great. Okay. Spencer says I need a 30 to $40,000 daily driver road trip sedan or coupe from my fiance and I. We're in Michigan, so all wheel drive would be preferred. I'm looking at CT5V non blackwing right now, which I know you didn't love. What else should we spend time looking at? Presumably that means used because you're not getting one of those for that kind of money. New. So I would say Audi S3s are nice.
[66:16]
Zach Klapman
That's a real nice car. I prefer that to like the BMW 340X drive or something like that. Yeah, yeah. What's a used RS3 go for?
[66:25]
Matt Farah
Probably in the 40s, maybe you can find an RS3 Lamborghini green. Oh yeah, that's a long. That was the launch color for last year.
[66:33]
Zach Klapman
I would go Rs3 all day if.
[66:35]
Matt Farah
You can find one for that price. Those are. Those are rad. Or S4s. You can get a used S4 or S5. Oh, road trip, sedan, coupe. Oh, an S5. That's your. There's your GT.
[66:48]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, the one we drove, we drove the one with the comp. What was the package? Competition package. Yeah, that was very nice. But that was more expensive.
[66:54]
Matt Farah
Those aren't that depreciated yet.
[66:55]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, that's true. But S5 is a really nice car.
[66:58]
Matt Farah
You might even be able to get an RS5 for that. Like a 2000, whatever. 12, 13, 14. When they first the V8 ones. You could probably get one of those for. For that kind of money.
[67:14]
Zach Klapman
A 2019 Audi RS5 Sportback sold on cars and bids for 37 grand.
[67:19]
Matt Farah
Hell yeah.
[67:20]
Zach Klapman
You have a lot of RS5 options.
[67:23]
Matt Farah
Now we're talking.
[67:25]
Zach Klapman
You need 9,000 miles.
[67:27]
Matt Farah
Get the out of here. Really?
[67:29]
Zach Klapman
9,000 miles. RS5 coupe, 20, 18, 41 grand.
[67:33]
Matt Farah
Wow. Wow. Yeah, you need to be looking at Rs5s like yesterday. Those. There's a lot of value in a used Rs5.
[67:41]
Zach Klapman
That's a nice car.
[67:42]
Matt Farah
That is a very nice daily driver car for sure.
[67:45]
Zach Klapman
Soft enough. They'll handle Michigan roads really well.
[67:49]
Matt Farah
Yeah, they're good in the snow. That's all right, Tim. A does it feel like 2020 era sports cars are beginning to hit their stride? Through 2025, this era of hybrid performance cars have turned out the best enthusiasts could hope for relative to pessimism. Wait, wait, wait, hang on. Oh, basically he's saying, like, is hybridization, like, good now? It's like, helping actually making cars better.
[68:17]
Zach Klapman
I think they're doing it better where it doesn't diminish the car as much. But the question is, is it better than the NA version of itself or, sorry, not na, but the ICE only version of itself. And if the weight penalty is several hundred pounds, I think in most cases, no.
[68:34]
Matt Farah
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure. I think Porsche did a fabulous job with the GTS and we get one soon for you to finally try. I saw one of the 911 GTS press cars up in the good vibes. Dude, it has the aero kit on it.
[68:52]
Zach Klapman
Oh, it does. When we were talking about it, we.
[68:54]
Matt Farah
Were just the other day being like, I've never seen a press car with the aero kit on it. The GTS press car has it, which I'm kind of stoked about. Perfect.
[69:02]
Zach Klapman
We live in a simulator. We made it happen.
[69:04]
Matt Farah
We manifest, we willed it. These small battery hybrids that are really like torque filling machines as opposed to hybrids where you can really drive a lot of range, I think are helping the sports cars a bunch. The Revuelto and the T hybrid, the Bentley gt. It's interesting because the transfer of weight helps it so much in a way that would probably harm those other cars. Weight is almost a virtue in the Bentley, as long as it's positioned right.
[69:36]
Zach Klapman
True. I mean, I think the hybrid thing helps the Revuelto. It's better than any Aventador.
[69:41]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[69:41]
Zach Klapman
So with having all the electric motors and everything, that's much, much better.
[69:45]
Matt Farah
Now, I don't think the hybrid necessarily is the best. It's not my favorite of the 911s, but like, the hybrid 911 is not my favorite. 992.
[69:55]
Zach Klapman
Right. I agree. Yes.
[69:57]
Matt Farah
It's not. It's not a bad car and I do objectively like it very much, but I like other variants more. Right, yeah. So. But like, hybridization is not a bad thing at all, I think. I think especially if the car is already a heavier car, hybridization can really help. Especially like in the Revuelto. It basically saves the na. Like, it fills in the torque and smooths it all out and like, makes it. So this giant NA V12 is actually.
[70:28]
Zach Klapman
Like quite usable and friendly and fixes the handling.
[70:30]
Matt Farah
Yeah. That too, yeah. It does a lot. Cat Furra, A for effort. What car, what cars would you want to be and what cars do you think you actually are?
[70:44]
Zach Klapman
I think it's funny. I think I'd want to be like an actual WRC rally car. Like faster, smarter, you know, I don't know. In every way.
[70:54]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[70:55]
Zach Klapman
I'm actually like an Outback xt.
[70:59]
Matt Farah
Yeah. I think I want to be like a trophy truck, but I'm actually like an F150 white single cabin, you know, with a metal rack on the back of it and like a bunch of orange vests slung over the fucking.
[71:15]
Zach Klapman
Bunch of safety vests. Yeah. Because you're cautious.
[71:19]
Matt Farah
I want to be fun, but I'm actually just a work truck. Dre from Houston. Do you have any driving experience that is the first gen Volvo C70? I mean, not in a long time. Only the convertible. You drove the first one, the coupe one, the one from the Saint.
[71:41]
Zach Klapman
Oh.
[71:42]
Matt Farah
Before they made it a retractable hardtop, they had one that was a coupe.
[71:45]
Zach Klapman
Only I drove the retractable hardtop.
[71:46]
Matt Farah
I think it was designed by, like, Bertone, actually. Yeah. Look up, see? Volvo C70, the Saint. And it's actually a reasonably attractive car. I don't think they changed much mechanically from this. May or may not hold up. Yeah, there's the Coupe. I mean, it's quite an attractive car.
[72:07]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[72:07]
Matt Farah
Side profile, not much different from a Mercedes clk of that period. Other than the shape of the headlights, it definitely. The coupe looks better than the convertible does with the top up, that's for sure. I have no experience driving it. My guess, it drives like every other fucking Volvo. They all drive exactly the same.
[72:26]
Zach Klapman
It'll feel kind of heavy.
[72:28]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[72:28]
Zach Klapman
And it'll be kind of fast. And I don't, you know, I don't think it's fast.
[72:31]
Matt Farah
I don't think a first gen C75. I think it's a turbo five cylinder.
[72:35]
Zach Klapman
Well, because when I was in high school and we drove the hard top convertible, my friend's dad had a company car. He worked, doesn't matter, but he would get like a new company car. But it was usually like a Dodge Stratus.
[72:45]
Matt Farah
Sure.
[72:45]
Zach Klapman
Then one year was a Volvo C70 convertible.
[72:47]
Matt Farah
Yeah. When Ford bought fucking Volvo.
[72:50]
Zach Klapman
This is no joke. But that's because we were in high school.
[72:51]
Matt Farah
Yeah. In high school. That car's fast.
[72:53]
Zach Klapman
Yep.
[72:53]
Matt Farah
Yeah. Everything's fast. If you're willing to use full throttle all the time, everything's fast.
[72:58]
Zach Klapman
When your daily is a 1965 or earlier hot rod, which both me and Eric had.
[73:03]
Matt Farah
The whistles go woo woo. That's a great username. But you need to add. It's not the whistles go woo. It's the whistles. It's woo woo. It's a w w o o w o o o o o o. But the reference is exceptional. Weirdest one off car not built for the Sultan of Brunei. And why is it the Bent Estate? I've actually seen the Bentley Arnouj t Estate and it's extremely weird. And Zach is getting a picture of it. It's like it's got a woody. Wow. It's got literal like woody. I think it's real wood though, because it's Bentley. So I actually do think it's real wood.
[73:43]
Zach Klapman
But like this back section does not work.
[73:45]
Matt Farah
No, it's a droopy.
[73:46]
Zach Klapman
It is very droopy.
[73:48]
Matt Farah
The Turbo R wagons they've built built which are much more just squared off, you know, they continue. They don't look as weird.
[73:55]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, this is weird. This looks like the back is melting.
[73:58]
Matt Farah
Yeah. Not my favorite Arnage. I mean, I don't know who's got the. The craziest custom cars have to be. Are we talking about exclusively shit built as weird as one off car?
[74:10]
Zach Klapman
Are we excluding things that were built on Pimp my Ride? Because those are the weirdest.
[74:13]
Matt Farah
Well, and like Rainbow Chic stuff and I mean, but if we're talking about one off cars built by OEMs popemobile.
[74:22]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[74:23]
Matt Farah
Probably RIP Pope Francis, shout out to him, meets JD Vance dies one day later. Coincidence? Don't think so. Just saying.
[74:35]
Zach Klapman
That's probably. I think. But Rainbow chic has the weirdest stuff outside of Sultan Brunei, I think.
[74:39]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[74:40]
Zach Klapman
I've never seen a Ram truck with an apartment in it. That's what's weirder than that.
[74:44]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[74:45]
Zach Klapman
And then there's that weird giant Mustang coupe thing that.
[74:49]
Matt Farah
Yeah. That Larry Chetcher drove. Yeah.
[74:51]
Zach Klapman
That's insane.
[74:52]
Matt Farah
It's called the ramus.
[74:54]
Zach Klapman
It's like 80ft long.
[74:56]
Matt Farah
They really need to workshop the name a little bit because Ram is a very strange name. It's a Ram 2500 with like one of those like Mustang Excalibur type bodies on it. It's real crazy looking and like respect. But the name. They need to like rearrange some letters or something. Yeah. It's not. It's not great. Uber driver says several times that I've said a car that's flawed from the beginning cannot be unfucked. In a hypothetical case, which car from any era Would you like to unfuck and why? I think I've said un shitbox is really the. The term. It's like it's not that it's flawed, it's that a car that's built badly is just such a problem to like.
[75:45]
Zach Klapman
Restore or used to try to restomod.
[75:48]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[75:48]
Zach Klapman
I mean, that's why like old cars that are restomod, they have so much bracing and if you're using the stock frame, like there's so much structure trying to make that body be a better unibody structure and you just can't get that close.
[76:01]
Matt Farah
Yeah. And in a hypothetical case, what car would I like to try that? If it was possible? It has to be the dual DeLorean. I mean, if you coulda, you woulda.
[76:13]
Zach Klapman
We drove the fast one.
[76:13]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[76:14]
Zach Klapman
And it was really fun.
[76:15]
Matt Farah
And do you remember how much it cost him to do that?
[76:17]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, I do.
[76:20]
Matt Farah
It cost five times of what it cost to get a DeLorean. I mean, it's. Now respect. I believe his name's Nick. Was it Nick?
[76:28]
Zach Klapman
Oh, yeah, it was Nick, right?
[76:30]
Matt Farah
Yeah. That guy. That guy's got his fucking. That guy like, you know, like the Bob's in office space and he's like now Peter, now that's a guy with upper management. This is. Nick is a guy with upper management written all over him.
[76:48]
Zach Klapman
He's got some cool cars.
[76:49]
Matt Farah
He knows how to do them himself.
[76:50]
Zach Klapman
A lot of times. That one he did with a partner, but Steve Maxwell. Yeah. Who's his partner.
[76:55]
Matt Farah
Who is an A rate lunatic when it comes to vintage Ferrari and crazy fabrication stuff. Yeah. A rate fabricator, but yeah, that DeLorean was, I gotta say, pretty much as good as anybody could be do. And it cost would itself worth $250,000. I think that's what he had into it.
[77:13]
Zach Klapman
I think they made a little money, but not as much. I think it went for 180, I think.
[77:18]
Matt Farah
I think it was a lot more than that. I think it started with a 2, but either way it was crazy and that's what it takes. So Cadillac Control V. And we're going to him again because his last question was from a different show. California requires automakers to offer EV in their lineup in order to sell anything else. This is why the Charger electric, et cetera, et cetera. How do Ferrari and Lamborghini get away with selling anything in California without an ev? It may be that as part of a group. I don't know.
[77:55]
Zach Klapman
I don't know. I tried to know what the law And I couldn't find a quick answer before the show.
[77:59]
Matt Farah
I don't think credits have fully run out yet. I mean, I think there's.
[78:03]
Zach Klapman
Maybe they buy carbon credits and that works.
[78:06]
Matt Farah
Yeah. Or maybe it's like.
[78:09]
Zach Klapman
Well, Link was under Volkswagen Group, right. So they might get away with that.
[78:12]
Matt Farah
And they have hybrids now. I mean, all three of their cars that they're selling come with a hybrid option, so not. Well, the Revuelto and the new Temerario are hybrid only and the Urus has a hybrid option. And I wouldn't be surprised if the next gen Urus is hybrid only. I genuinely don't know. Sorry, Misfit Cyclone. With whom have you had worse experience? The I know what I have guy or Everything has a price guy? Everything. I know what I have guy. I know what I have guy is someone who. It's a caricature of somebody that thinks the thing they have is worth more than it is.
[78:53]
Zach Klapman
Yes.
[78:54]
Matt Farah
Everything has a price guy is, you know, a way to, if you're gonna be talked out of that thing, be talked out of it for a lot more than it's actually worth. Right. That's what everything has a price guys for. It's annoying, but, like, not as. I mean.
[79:15]
Zach Klapman
Well, I think everything has a price guy is a short conversation because you can be if. If you own this whatever Porsche. And I go, hey, I want. I'm interested in buying that. And you're like, well, I don't wanna sell it. Everything has a price. And I hear that. And I go, okay, well, either I need to be willing to spend probably more money than market value. And we can have that quick conversation, but it means you're probably not really open to a long discussion. I think. I think I know what I have guy will drag you into a long talk. And a lot of times you might know what the market is offering or asking for that car. And this person needs it to be a higher number than it should realistically be. Like, they want you to solve their financial problem. And I think that can be a longer Facebook marketplace messaging thing.
[79:58]
Matt Farah
I'm gonna pivot this question because there's a door number three that I haven't actually really had bad experiences with either of these two people presented. I know they exist on the Internet, but I've never really. And if someone is being someone's. They're asking prices unreasonable. I'll walk away after two seconds. I don't care. The guy who has an inspection done on something thing that they want to buy, they're having a PPI done on a car and that inspection reveals something mechanical that is not outright declared in the ad. Well, PPIs are supposed to reveal things that lay people don't know. That's why you're paying the mechanic. It's the person who has a PPI done which reveals a potential issue issue and then calls the seller a liar for not disclosing this issue that they, a layperson probably didn't know about. Right. That's my least favorite kind of person. And they do so like publicly. See if you can figure out what I'm talking about.
[81:12]
Zach Klapman
I mean, it depends on the issue, if the issue is glaring or like a simple code reader or something.
[81:17]
Matt Farah
No, I'm not. Well, I'm just like that. A couple times at WCCS we've sold cars on auction platforms. Someone has come and had a PPI and the mechanic has found things that are not immediately obvious to the naked eye.
[81:35]
Zach Klapman
Exactly. Yeah. There's no way that.
[81:37]
Matt Farah
There's no way the person selling the car or myself representing it would have known that. Right.
[81:42]
Zach Klapman
Totally.
[81:42]
Matt Farah
You've learned things in the ppi. Okay. Bid accordingly. It doesn't mean that the person is trying to pass off some shitbox on you. If it's a salvage title, if it's crashed and not declared, if it's a rollback. Now we're talking about fraud. Okay, call them out. Call it out. But when the inspection discovers the thing you've paid them to discover, that's a tool for negotiation. That's not an invitation to accuse the person of fraud.
[82:15]
Zach Klapman
That's true.
[82:15]
Matt Farah
Because they don't know every nut and bolt of their car because they're not an expert.
[82:19]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[82:20]
Matt Farah
So anyway, we are going to need more Advil says watching Lotus Exige values on bat lately and one happened to pop up locally at a pretty reasonable price is the fun of a very light car and steady value of an exige versus a depreciating Miata. Make sense given the headache of owning a Lotus. For you guys, this would be a third car car. If you physically fit in a Lotus, they're great fun.
[82:49]
Zach Klapman
Yeah. Very special experience.
[82:51]
Matt Farah
Yeah. And accurately you call them steady value. You can park money in a Lotus, put some miles on it and as long as you don't damage the shell because those are hard to fix if you can fix them. Sometimes you can't fix them. As long as you don't crash it into stuff, it's. They're great fun.
[83:11]
Zach Klapman
Yeah. You'll probably lose less money than a depreciating, you know, new miata and it's just such a fun experience. It's. I'd say it's a very unique car. Whereas the nd the Miata is like even across generations, like there are improvements but the form, the formula is always the same. But I think Exige is pretty, pretty fun and unique.
[83:30]
Matt Farah
Cool. My face to your foot style. Has road and track and car and driver ever done a collab or would they? I don't know. Above my pay grade quite frankly. I've asked to race car and driver a few times and they keep denying that they don't want us to be racing car and driver. I don't know why. Maybe because they'd win. I think car and driver probably has.
[83:57]
Zach Klapman
Hurt one brand or one of the brands would get a little bit hurt. Probably market. The market would get a little injured by it.
[84:05]
Matt Farah
I think car and driver probably has more fast people than we have. We have like three fast people and I think car and driver probably has five.
[84:15]
Zach Klapman
Okay.
[84:16]
Matt Farah
Yeah. Biggest hot dog in Matt's bathroom. That's pretty good. Okay. A technical executive at Mazda was recently quoted when discussing, discussing the next gen Miata that the most important thing in a Miata is lightness. And the second most important thing to a Miata is lightness. Assuming the new generation goes on sale in a few years, could carbon tub technology be affordable enough for the next gen Miata to be the first carbon tub based affordable sports car? I don't know. I guess if they're using forged carbon maybe, but I don't think it'll be that cheap to where they're building like $35,000 cars with carbon tubs because they.
[85:02]
Zach Klapman
I don't. I think Mazda would have to outsource that to like Dallara. I mean a lot of these companies do that. You know someone else who does carbon makes their tub, like Maserati outsources that for the MC20. But then you add the cost of shipping it probably to Japan or wherever they make the Miata. So that would just add a lot of cost. I don't know. That'd be rad. But I would be very surprised. Yeah, they've gotten the car so light without them that anyway. And they keep finding ways to do it.
[85:28]
Matt Farah
Yeah, I mean the best thing they can do is like keep it mostly the same. I mean that's really, you know, like just don't, don't it up. Yeah, I don't see that happening in anytime very soon. We're still, I mean look like Ferraris just became. Or wait is the 296 carbon or it's not, is it?
[85:49]
Zach Klapman
I think it's still aluminum. They hold out longer than anybody, though. Like the alpha force was carbon.
[85:53]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[85:54]
Zach Klapman
Before Ferraris.
[85:55]
Matt Farah
But is this a joke question or is this a real question? Max, Mike Oxafloppin, Any chance we could get a Top Gear style leaderboard for guests with a spec car on the sim? We did that for like a year.
[86:13]
Zach Klapman
Long, but 12 years ago.
[86:15]
Matt Farah
We did it a long time ago. It was something that seemed like a good idea, but it took a lot of time. People didn't really, by the time you got people like set up and doing it was like it was just a waste of time. I mean, we thought it was a good idea for the same reason that you think it's a good idea and the same reason that Top Gear thought it was a good idea. But it's not actually part of the content in Top Gear, it's part of the show. Them learning the track and running the lap is the show. To just have someone on a sim for like 20 minutes, it's just, it's. It's socially awkward and kind of a waste of time.
[86:56]
Zach Klapman
Yeah. And a lot of times people that come in for shows, they have a pretty fixed schedule.
[87:00]
Matt Farah
Yeah.
[87:00]
Zach Klapman
And they need to leave right after the show ends or vice or, you know, so adding 20 minutes to just talk about their time would add a lot to the day.
[87:09]
Matt Farah
Christian says, are you glad you never bought the Polestar One? And what press cars did you regret not buying? I think I would have liked the Polestar one, actually. The problem with the Polestar one was never that like it was a bad car. It was that I. They couldn't get it to me when we needed a car. If they had got it to us when we needed a car, I would have happily bought it.
[87:31]
Zach Klapman
He owned one?
[87:32]
Matt Farah
Yeah. Did he get rid of it?
[87:33]
Zach Klapman
I don't know. I think he still might have it.
[87:34]
Matt Farah
I don't know if he still has it or not, but the people I know who have them thought they think they're really cool. I saw one on the road actually, in Texas. On the road and track event.
[87:45]
Zach Klapman
It's a good looking car.
[87:46]
Matt Farah
Yeah. Is that the last one?
[87:49]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[87:49]
Matt Farah
Okay, cool. Well then we'll do Joe's and then we'll end it on Joe's. Did you see the Aston Martin DB9? Selling cars and bids for 26k depreciation has hit the V12s hard. I didn't see it. My guess, there's something else going on with that car. That's not. Not great. Any Aston Martin with a V12 should sell for more than that. And I assume there was something to that car. Every once in a while this happens. Someone goes, hey, you see this? This thing sold for so cheap. And then I'm like, yeah, it's stolen, crashed, you know, repainted.
[88:25]
Zach Klapman
Here's a few. There's a DB9 Volante sold for like 33. But then here's the car they're talking about.
[88:34]
Matt Farah
That seat looks like trash. Wow. DB9 coupe. 38,000 miles. It doesn't look terrible. What else do we need to know? How is that so cheap? Is there something we need to know? I mean, it's high miles, but it's not like insanely high. I wonder if it was like a rental car or something. No accidents, no mileage discrepancies.
[88:55]
Zach Klapman
Wow.
[88:56]
Matt Farah
Wow.
[88:57]
Zach Klapman
Warm climate ownership. So.
[88:58]
Matt Farah
So keep going down. Anything else? Anything else we need to know? Wow. I mean, wow.
[89:03]
Zach Klapman
Known flaws. Here we go.
[89:04]
Matt Farah
Oh, here we go. Chips. Scratches, scratches. Cracks, Creases, Cracks and dabs. Missing underbody panels. I bet those underbody panels are really expensive.
[89:13]
Zach Klapman
Yes. And I bet the dashboard is very expensive.
[89:15]
Matt Farah
Yeah. Wow. I mean, it seems like it's had some regular service at least in the last five years. Well, look, I guess maybe they really are just depreciated to that. In which case you guys should. Oh, hang on. Go back up. It says there's a. There's a service due in 1500 miles. That's a really expensive service. See if there's an answer to that question. That's a question there.
[89:43]
Zach Klapman
Underbody paneling is about 1500 bucks in store.
[89:45]
Matt Farah
Okay. They did not answer how much that service costs, but I bet it's a lot. So the service, brake, clutch, flush engine and cabin filter, trans fluid, spark plugs, coil packs, cool coolant, flush. That's a huge service.
[89:57]
Zach Klapman
Tax is probably a lot.
[89:59]
Matt Farah
That's probably a six or seven thousand dollar service minimum on this car.
[90:02]
Zach Klapman
And it's due at 40,000 miles. And this is right before that.
[90:05]
Matt Farah
Yeah. So.
[90:06]
Zach Klapman
Okay, maybe that's why.
[90:07]
Matt Farah
Yeah, I mean, look, any. That's crazy.
[90:10]
Zach Klapman
A lot of car for $34,000 or something, dude, if you.
[90:14]
Matt Farah
And if you are handy, I mean, I think at least some of that you could do by yourself, right?
[90:19]
Zach Klapman
Yeah.
[90:21]
Matt Farah
That's a handsome ass car, dude.
[90:24]
Zach Klapman
Driving V12 around for 35 minutes.
[90:26]
Matt Farah
And the interior looks like it's in pretty good shape too. I mean, it's not bad. Really not bad. I'm amazed at how well that's hold up. Looks like the seats could use a bit of a detail. The leather's a little saggy.
[90:38]
Zach Klapman
Yeah, it is little saggy.
[90:40]
Matt Farah
But like, you know, for that kind of price, man, little fucking elbow grease.
[90:46]
Zach Klapman
No one will know that cost 30 grand. Yeah, everyone will think that's a $100,000 car.
[90:49]
Matt Farah
Yeah. All right. I mean, listen, now's the time. Oh, that seat is beat.
[90:53]
Zach Klapman
That seat's done.
[90:54]
Matt Farah
Yeah. So you need to do a huge service. The back seats look fine, obviously. Cause nothing ever gets back there.
[90:59]
Zach Klapman
Well, there's a mark on this one.
[91:01]
Matt Farah
Deep, deep clean. And you need to re trim the front seats. Front seats are toast. But listen, for that kind of money, you're playing with the big boys.
[91:10]
Zach Klapman
Wow.
[91:11]
Matt Farah
You know, weird.
[91:12]
Zach Klapman
The leather, even around the headlight control is like saggy and loose. Looks like it's.
[91:17]
Matt Farah
It's probably been parked in the fucking sun bunch.
[91:19]
Zach Klapman
Oh, yeah. Cause you got some ripples here.
[91:21]
Matt Farah
Lots of sweat. Ye. The handmade, the Aston interiors, if you don't really, really take good care of them, you're going to have a problem. Because these leathers are like, they're automotive grade, but they're very high quality, rich leathers. They go in cars that don't get driven as much as regular cars and usually get a little better treatment and cared for. So anyway, that's pretty cool. Look, I mean, this is not an endorsement of that particular car, but DB9s are not inherently bad cars. So, you know, do your diligence. But that's all right. Well, thanks, everybody. Great show today. Really appreciate you all. We will see you next week. Goodbye.