What to tow with; Angeles Forest crash map; Why Auctions seem High

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast

Episode: What to tow with; Angeles Forest crash map; Why Auctions seem High
Hosts: Matt Farah, Zack Klapman
Date: February 5, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, Matt and Zack dive into a trio of car enthusiast topics:

• Choosing the right tow vehicle for their new enclosed race trailer
• Exploring an incredibly detailed crash map for Angeles Crest/Forest to assess enthusiast vs. commuter accident blame
• Debating the reasons behind recent sky-high collector car auction prices and whether it’s market dynamics or shadier dealings

The conversation, as always, is laced with their humor, hands-on experiences, and input from listeners.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Choosing a Tow Rig for the New Race Trailer

(03:07 – 11:17)

• The TST team is getting a high-end enclosed Brian James trailer, paid for “in trailer” as part of a sponsorship deal.
• Matt explains the trailer's features—tilt bed, side doors, awning, winch—and envisions hauling cars to the track as well as UTVs/side-by-sides for desert fun.
• Zack notes UK promo images show the trailer being towed with a Land Rover Discovery, prompting Matt to ask if a big truck is even necessary.
• Matt recounts a dinner conversation with “Sergio’s mom” (an experienced horse hauler), who swears by full-size diesel trucks (Dodge 3500, 5500) but admits that's likely overkill for their use-case.
• Matt debates practicality: “I’m not doing this [hauling heavy] today...I kind of want to buy something that can be used as a f**king car.” — Matt, (08:08)
• Zack on minimum viable vehicle: Ford Maverick's tow rating is only 4,000 lbs, probably not enough. So minimum viable is likely mid-size or full-size SUV/pickup.
• Future plans: Now that Matt has a Willow Springs membership, they’ll be regularly towing sketchy/non-street-legal cars to and from the track.
• Request for listener advice: “If anyone out there tows a single car enclosed with a more regular SUV or pickup and really likes it, let us know in the comments.” — Matt, (11:17)

Memorable Moment

• They get excited about the trailer’s awning and the doors: “The side door is the move.” — Matt (03:39)

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2. Manufacturers Getting Used to Track Use & Upcoming Driving Events

(13:34 – 18:55)

• Matt and Zack are getting more aggressive with manufacturers about taking press cars to the track.
• Discussion of the Maserati MC20 and the MC20 GT2 Stradale: Zack says the “regular MC20 gets you 90% of the way” to the more expensive Stradale, and both agree limited test laps make a fair assessment tricky.
• Matt is excited about upcoming road trips—including a Dodge Charger Six Pack for a 1,400-mile event/possible Vanishing Point homage.
• Looking forward to joining Cletus (McFarland) for a Crown Vic race at Stafford Motor Speedway, but admit they have little idea what to expect.

Notable Quote

• “I'm excited to try that for 1400 miles... It’ll be smooth and quick—a good road trip vehicle.” — Matt, (16:18)

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3. Car Modding, Interior Fabrics, and Personalization

(25:28 – 30:40)

• Matt's searching for new fabric for his convertible Mercedes, aiming for durable, UV-resistant, and fun, inspired by previous projects with patio furniture fabric.
• Both riff on the value of making the interior (seat inserts, fabrics) unique to spark joy daily.
• Zack credits Matt’s example as inspiration: “It just makes you happy, doesn’t it?” — Zack, (28:39)

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4. Listener Letters: Car Stereotypes Among Queer Drivers

(30:52 – 32:40)

• “Queer Shifting Gears” reports on trends:
  • Lesbian: Subaru stereotype is true; also boxy/cute cars, Wranglers, Miatas
  • Gay men: Nice convertibles—Lexus, Mercedes, Miatas—with a focus on holistic experience, not speed
  • Trans women: Miata or Mini Coopers
  • Universal: “Mazda is always the answer,” especially Mazda 3 or CX-5

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5. Angeles Forest Crash Data Map Deep-Dive

(33:07 – 43:49)

• A listener sent a custom, interactive map cataloging every crash on Angeles Crest and Forest highways, sortable by year and vehicle type.
• Zack and Matt explore the data, looking for trends:
  • Densest accident cluster is on the lower part of Hwy 2, likely due to a mix of commuters, tourists, and fast-drivers.
  • Angeles Forest Hwy segment is notorious for dangerous commuter passes.
  • Comparing pre-/post-Covid years: incidents oscillate between 100-150/year, with no clear spike due to car enthusiast events.
  • Data can't distinguish “shitbaggery” (reckless or enthusiast driving) from ordinary crashes, but they theorize high-profile incidents on the upper mountain get more attention than they statistically warrant.
• Zack: “I think social media is having more of an influence on driving accidents in the canyons than [events like] good vibes are.” — (38:45)

Memorable Exchange

• Matt: “There isn’t a tab for, like, ‘guy was being a complete shitbag’.” (33:46)
• Zack: “We need that category!” (43:12)

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6. Collector Car Auction Prices: Market Dynamics or Shady Business?

(55:43 – 59:26)

• Listener Q: Are crazy auction prices due to money laundering/market manipulation or just massive wealth concentration?
• Matt argues it’s “the have lots having lots” — a handful of ultra-wealthy collectors for whom $5M or $11M is irrelevant, chasing unique cars.
• Zack agrees but notes potential for “market pumping,” i.e., dealers or sellers artificially bidding up prices, referencing suspicious opening bids.
• Money laundering is possible but unlikely to occur at very public auctions: “If you’re doing crimes, trying to hide those crimes by buying shit publicly at auction isn’t the best idea.” — Matt (59:05)

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7. Car Buying & Towing Q&A

(45:23 – 48:36 and 90:04 – 94:49)

• Matt and Zack weigh modern vs. depreciated vehicles for daily drivers and tow rigs:
  • Plug-in hybrid Porsche Cayenne emerges as a dark horse candidate: “Now Cayenne hybrid, that could be…maybe I can make my dad an offer he can’t refuse.” — Matt (47:43)
• Potential downsides: flashy trailer wheels can attract thieves; they recommend hiding AirTags inside and warn against staying in sketchy hotels.
• On modifying a Corolla for light offroading/camping vs. buying a used Cayenne: “Buying out a lease only really makes sense if you’re going to keep this thing for a really long time... the Cayenne is made to do exactly what you’re trying to do.” — Zack (91:24)

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8. The Ongoing Manual vs. Automatic Debate (and “Losing” Skills)

(91:58 – 93:03)

• Listener worries about losing manual skills after buying Lexus auto: “You’ll get rusty but it will come back very quickly...like riding a bike. But if you’re just looking for a way for us to justify you getting a track car, we can help with that.” — Matt (92:51)

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9. Bonus Q&A — Fun & Quirky Listener Prompts

(94:11 – 98:00)

• Dream 4-driver Nurburgring 24 team? Picks: Chris Harris, Rob Holland, a pro like Yörg Bergmeister, and maybe Matt or Zack
• “Why not put rims on your Countach?” Matt: “Can you imagine any wheel in the f**king history of aftermarket wheels that would make a Countach look better than gold goddamn phone dials?…You do not improve on Gandini!” (76:10)
• Nissan future products optimism (manual Z, new Godzilla, Nismo Armada) — “Car companies will always keep trying until they can’t.” — Matt (82:16)
• Titanium watches vs. steel — Matt: “I think titanium watches feel cheap. They feel plasticky.” (83:47)
• And more: Silliest car mods, auction price analysis, and what car to bring to 1902 (Matt wants a Sherp!)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “I kind of want to buy something that can be used as a f*cking car...not ‘what if I have to do 90 over the Grapevine?’” — Matt (08:08)
• “I sort of want to buy the most regular thing I can get!” — Matt (08:18)
• “Social media is having more of an influence on driving accidents in the canyons than Good Vibes is.” — Zack (38:45)
• On crash statistics: “Out of all those crashes…the section you zoomed in on is relatively safe…Crashes there get more attention only because social media loves sports cars hitting each other.” — Matt (42:04)
• On auction prices: “There’s a small number of people for whom there just isn’t a difference [between $5M and $11M].” — Matt (59:12)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trailer/Tow Rig Discussion: 03:07 – 11:17
• Track Use & Upcoming Events: 13:34 – 18:55
• Interior Fabrics/Personalization: 25:28 – 30:40
• Queer Car Stereotypes: 30:52 – 32:40
• Angeles Forest Crash Map: 33:07 – 43:49
• Auction Price Debate: 55:43 – 59:26
• Car Buying & Towing Q&A: 45:23 – 48:36, 90:04 – 94:49
• Manual Transmission Skills: 91:58 – 93:03
• Fun Listener Q&A: 94:11 – end

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Tone & Style

Conversational, humorous, and knowledgeable; Matt and Zack mix car-nerd technical talk with engaging storytelling, personal anecdotes, listener interaction, and a fair share of banter.

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For Listeners Who Didn’t Tune In

This episode is quintessential Smoking Tire: a breezy yet in-depth tour through real-world enthusiast advice (what to tow with? what to buy if you’re tall?), community inside jokes, and insightful analysis whether talking auction economics, statistics, or the joy of picking just the right seat fabric. If you like your car talk unfiltered (but thoughtful), this one’s for you.

Transcript

[A]

What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Smug and Tire podcast. Today's episode is, as always, brought to you by off the Record. We love off the Record and you guys do too. Or at least you keep telling me over and over in the DMs in the emails that off the record, saved your backside from a big old problem out there. Here's how it works. If you are driving out there in your car, you could be doing basically anything and then you get pulled over and you get a ticket. It happens, you know. But what you don't do is plead guilty. You never plead guilty. You don't have to plead guilty. It won't just make it go away. Instead what you do is get off the record. You go to offtherecord.com TST that'll get you 10% off all legal services booked through off the Record. And they will fight that case all the way to the end. If they don't get those points off your record, you don't have to pay. It is like that. Offtherecord.com TST I'm using them every time I need them right there in my back pocket. Always taking care of me and our TST fan base. So make sure you write that one down. Offtherecord.com TST. All right, folks, on this show we are getting a trailer and have to figure out what we're going to tow it with. Plus we study crash statistics on Angeles Crest highway to find out if it's the enthusiast's fault or the commuters. And what is pumping the most recent auction market prices. Is it just people being rich or is it people being rich and doing crimes? But hi, everybody. This is a show. Welcome to it. It's. It's been a nice, nice little week here in Los Angeles other than me getting some kind of stomach bug for 12 hours. That was fun. Right after off roading and maybe like. Yeah, yeah, it's right. A couple hours later. Yeah, came on fat. It was like a squall. Come on, you fast. It'll leave you fast.

[B]

Brown squall.

[A]

That's a. I haven't watched Cat. It's been too long since I've watched Captain Ron. I think that deserves a re. Watch.

[B]

I haven't seen that since when I was a kid.

[A]

Oh, Captain Ross. A. That's a quality film. That's Kurt Russell at his absolute finest face.

[B]

Kate Hudson's mom.

[A]

Yeah. Goldie Hawn.

[B]

Goldie Hawn.

[A]

No. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. No, I mean, I know that Goldie Hawn is Kate Hudson's mom. But I was thinking I was. Because they also did Overboard together.

[B]

Oh, geez. So they're just like, you're great at sailing boat movies. Let's make another one. And they're like, sure.

[A]

They threw Martin Short in there too.

[B]

That's always a good choice. Yeah, he's amazing.

[A]

So there's some things, some things happened the last couple days, even though kind of nothing happened the last couple days. We're getting a trailer. We got a deal with this company, Brian James Trailers, and they're paying us in trailer.

[B]

This is great.

[A]

So you guys are going to hear some ads. Please listen to the ads from Brian James Trailers that are coming. But we're getting this race sport trailer, which is a fucking sick. That's it right there. The enclosed trailer. That's a sweet rig. We're getting that thing. It tilts for. Makes for low loading better. It's got the side opening doors and we even got the one with the awning on the side.

[B]

It's got the side door.

[A]

It's got the.

[B]

Jeff's work.

[A]

The side door is the move. And it's got. We got one with an awning on the side. So it's like a canopy so we can hang out outside under the car.

[B]

Under there and all that stuff.

[A]

Shaded. Whoa. Pretty sweet, dude. Right? Yeah.

[B]

And you said we needed a truck, but this person is rendering. Is towing with a disco that looks like a Discovery.

[A]

Yeah, no, I think, I believe this trailer weighs like 2,500 pounds. So I think if you're towing a light car, then we wouldn't need much car at all. We do need something to tow with at some point. Trying to figure out what that is. The website, which is from the UK because this company is originally UK based, although they distribute in America, they're towing it with a Discovery. In this one, they're towing an Audi R8 with a Discovery. And if they can do that, then we certainly don't need much.

[B]

Well, they're good at the caravan thing and they don't really have pickup trucks there.

[A]

I haven't. Well, yeah, but if we. We don't fucking. If they don't need a pickup truck, we don't need a pickup truck.

[B]

No, they don't. But the American way is you get an F350 and you tow two motorcycles with it, you know?

[A]

So the other night I went to dinner with Sergio and his family and I learned that Sergio's mom raises horses in Malibu. And Sergio's mom, who I don't want to guess how old she is, but she's the mother of someone in his 50s, so. Right. So Sergio's mom raises horses. Shows them. What. And I was talking to Sergio about this trailer, and he goes, oh, you should talk to my mom about a tow rig. And I was like, oh, yeah. And I go. And I go, Mrs. Siderman, like, you know, here's what we're doing. Like, what should I. She's like, I only tow with the Cummins. She's like, I've had. I have this many. And blah, blah. And she's talking about. And she. Her ranch. I don't want to say where it is, but it's on a. It's in Malibu, and it's on a road that it's.

[B]

Right, okay.

[A]

Yeah. You know what I just said? Okay. It's on that road at the top. Okay. And I was like, so, what's your main rig? And she goes, my primary is a Dodge 3500. Excuse me. Dodge 5500 toter home with a horse trailer.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's 60ft long. And she drives that motherfucker full of horses up and down that road. Isn't that some shit?

[B]

Wow. So it's like one of these things. This is enormous. Oh, I didn't want to go to YouTube.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. It's that. With a horse trailer.

[B]

That is enormous.

[A]

Fucking crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, it's like. It's like an RV you would rent. It's the RV body that you would rent, but with, you know, giant truck full of powertrain.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's like. And towing a trailer.

[A]

And the road that we're talking about is, like, one of the three or four tightest roads in the Malibu canyons.

[B]

Yeah. If you asked me to drive this up that road without a trailer, I'd go, you can't do that. Wow.

[A]

Yeah. Cool. I was like, okay. You know, Mrs. Sideman, that might be, like, a little overkill for what. I was like, what about for just, like, a single car trailer, like a regular trailer? And she was like, you should probably get, you know, like, a 2,500. And I was like, really? I'm only towing, like, max. Max, like seven, £8,000, but more like six, maybe even five. And she was like, you should still get a diesel.

[B]

I kind of. I mean, I always think having more tow than you need is nice. You know, if you're going up, like, the grapevine or something, and you add throttle and you don't even feel the weight of the trailer through the truck, just like the sturdiness of the frame and all that stuff. I mean, that's optimal.

[A]

So what you're saying is Bentley. Definitely a Bentley.

[B]

That is not what I'm saying. I would like to still get paid and not spend all the money this year on our tow vehicle. I didn't. Average horse weighs about 1,000 pounds. So she's towing. Well, if she has four horses back there plus the trailer, maybe she's around 6 to 8,000 pounds. And she needs all that power.

[A]

I mean, yeah, optimally, but also like, how much time will we spend towing? Like, that's very interesting.

[B]

She's doing this a lot.

[A]

Like, I don't want to buy. Like, this isn't. Like I'm not doing this today, but like, I kind of want to buy something that can be used as a fucking car.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like something much like the most regular thing I can get. Not the. What if I have to do 90 over the grapevine? Of course that's not like, I mean, maybe once. But like there are press trucks if we need such things. So like, it's more like what kind of like SUV or, you know, half ton or maybe even like smaller than half ton. Like I was like, can a Maverick tow this fucking thing? Or like, is it a Ranger? Like, what is the. Like pretty much what is the most, the minimum vehicle I need to be able to like tow this thing?

[B]

Ford Maverick max towing is £4,000.

[A]

That's a nope.

[B]

That's a nope. What's the EcoBoost? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. That's a no.

[B]

Well, let's see. That was AI announced. The drive says a stock Maverick can tow 8,000.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Oh, but it's still. But the title is. But it's still a bad idea. So you want something a little more than that.

[A]

All right, well, we will. We have to do some towing homework. But like I think we're gonna get. Because not only because now we have Willow Springs. Now I have Willow Springs membership. Now I have all the reasons to play with non street legal vehicles and. Or get potentially sketchy and unreliable vehicles to and from the racetrack.

[B]

Welcome to my world. It's quite fun and terrible.

[A]

Yeah. But this thing is pretty light, pretty aerodynamic and it tilts. It's got the winch in. Should be pretty, pretty useful.

[B]

I'm stoked.

[A]

Hell yeah.

[B]

That's.

[A]

I. I got black.

[B]

Cool. Oh, they have a. They have one right here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Yeah, it's a nice looking rig.

[B]

It is. It will. It'll be hot. Well, if you, because it's black, absorb all the heat.

[A]

So well, that's a good point.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know if it's too late to.

[A]

I mean, people have black trailers in California. I thought it looked cool, but it does look cool. Maybe that's. I wonder if the trade off.

[B]

Well, I think it depends on how much time you're gonna spend in the trail. Like if you want to use it as a place to get out of heat. You know, if you're out there at Willow and it's hot, but you have buildings, there's buildings there.

[A]

It's like if we go somewhere else. If we go somewhere else, I don't know if we'll be hanging out by the trailer. Unless we go side by side.

[B]

Right?

[A]

You know?

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

If we. Because that's. Because that's why it opens up like demos for like. Cause if we have our own trailer, we can call up Polaris or whoever. Yeah, they have these things. That was always the holdback. You can come get them if you've got a trailer. Well, we don't have a trailer, but now we do.

[B]

You see, I want to drive one of those giant can am things.

[A]

So I'm saying yeah, yeah, we can go to the desert. We can fucking do stupid things. Right? Yeah. So if anyone out there tows like a single car enclosed with like an S. Regular. A more a mostly regular SUV or pickup truck and really likes it.

[B]

Yeah. Let us know in the.

[A]

Let us know in the comments. Don't send me 100 emails. It'd be too. I just leave in the comments. We'll look. We'll look and we'll see what's around. And like, but we may. We're gonna have to drag things around. We also are gonna have to bother Graham for a long term Legends car. Guys, support is coming in today from True Work winter job sites. Don't mess around. It could be freezing in the morning, wet around noon, and then windy and cold in the afternoon. It cuts right through that cheap gear. You need workwear that performs when it's BR out there. TrueWerk builds performance workwear like it matters because it does. Just look at Zach in this podcast. He's wearing his TrueWerk hoodie. Or he at least did this morning when we went out to test drive the ineos on top of a mountain and it was very cold and windy. TrueWerk was founded by a trade professional who was done with wet heavy gear slowing him down. And TrueWerk set out to make workwear that keeps the pros comfortable, capable, and ready for whatever the day throws at them. While brands Like Carhartt and Dickeys, focus on traditional cotton based gear that gets heavy when wet. Truewerk uses advanced performance fabrics developed for extreme outdoor conditions. Now engineered specifically for trade work, it's moisture wicking. It's wind resistant and insulated with fabrics to keep you comfortable and mobile all day, even in the harshest winter conditions. There's over 50,000 five star reviews from pros on Trustpilot. Every trade and climate. Real feedback from electricians, plumbers, and contractors working through brutal winters. So I've got the Truwerk hoodie, I got the Truewerk pants, and although I am not an on the job site pro, I work outside a lot and they are great for keeping me comfortable, keeping me warm when I need it, cool when I need it, and dry when I need it. I love the Truewerk pants and the hoodie. It's awesome. Don't let cheap gear slow you down this winter. Upgrade your day with workwear built like it matters. Get 15% off your first order at truework.com with Code Tire. That's T R U-E-R-K.com Code Tire.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I see a lot of value in borrowing a legends car for a year.

[B]

Well, we want to be ambassadors for the legend car.

[A]

It is like the most hill climbs and shit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The Virginia City hill climb, I think is with a legendary.

[B]

I think that'd be fun. What is the altitude there? Because I think at the top it would be like.

[A]

You have to put a turbo on it.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Add an E axle. I don't think it would matter. This thing. That thing doesn't weigh anything.

[B]

It does not.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Altitude of 5,000ft.

[A]

Yeah, it's okay.

[B]

Sure. Oh, it's a. It's a climb from 48 to 63.

[A]

Yeah, that's all right.

[B]

That's like. We'll do our testing.

[A]

Angeles Crest Plus. Yeah. Yeah. That's no big deal. So that'll be fun. And I'm getting manufacturers used to the fact that I'm gonna be taking their cars to the track. Some are like, okay, is this gonna be all the time? I'm like, maybe, maybe.

[B]

I mean, so they have to do the testing.

[A]

Yeah. So Maserati is sending the GT2 Stradale, which I know you got to have a go in at Ascari, I think. Yeah, right.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

You liked it mostly, right?

[B]

I did like it mostly. But my takeaway was the regular MC20, I think gets you 90% of the way to what the Stradale gets. And the experience I had there which was very limited in terms of lap time. But it felt like the Stradale did not do the track job that it was trying to do. And then on the road, I thought the regular one rode better, look better and gave you all the speed and stuff anyway. Okay. But maybe, you know, further testing is needed. Fair assessment, further nine laps. I mean, that's not a lot. It is not. And that was. And we and the PR person for USA argued successfully to get us more time than was originally allotted, but it was still very small.

[A]

Yeah, that's not a lot. And Askari's smooth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Also. Yeah, we'll see. That'll be fun. And go take it out to Willow, drive it on the street a little more street time. That'll be fun. Oh, I also, I booked the, I booked a Dodge Charger six pack for the, for the road and track event in the desert in April. I was like, we could do a little Vanishing Point vibe.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

You know, I saw Miguel up at Good Vibes with the press car and with the big wheels on it. It's not a bad looking car actually. And I sat in it and I was like, oh, this is a big boy. This is a good open desert vehicle.

[B]

Yeah, I think it's a great looking design.

[A]

I think that car, I think the car looks good with the big wheels on it. The, the, some of the, the base electric ones with the small wheels look really bad. But if you put the right wheels in the right color. Not bad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But so I'm excited. I'm actually kind of excited to try that for 1400 miles.

[B]

It'll be smooth and quick and yeah, it is a good road trip vehicle.

[A]

It is. And we get some, some laps at Las Vegas Motor Speedway.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, that'll be interesting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, truly, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to the charge. I just haven't driven it. So I'm wondering how it will do on a racetrack. The last one I drove was like, you know, one of the old Hellcats.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like a manual and stuff. And the, the, the weight balance was always interesting on racetracks.

[A]

It might be slidy.

[B]

That would be anything like the last one.

[A]

It would be terrible if it was slidy. What a nightmare. Could. Can't have any fun doing that.

[B]

Just like America's Supra now. Right. Because it's in line six, isn't it?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's 550 horsepower.

[B]

It's a 3J. It's not even a 2J. Bigger than a 2J.

[A]

Dodge would come out with an engine and be like. It's called a4JD yeah.

[B]

Was the hurricane engine.

[A]

That would be the slightly MAGA one. They'd call it Ford JD because of why JD Vance.

[B]

Oh, there you go. Okay. Took me a second.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, well, because it wouldn't be a very good joke.

[B]

You'd have to explain it to 4chan. JD it is a 3 liter.

[A]

It's a 3 liter.

[B]

They could call it the 3.

[A]

The 3. That would be so trolly and fun. But then if it didn't hold, like, 900 horsepower, it would be.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

You know what I mean? That's like. It's like calling your shot.

[B]

Yeah. Everyone go. Okay. All right.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Let's see what you got.

[A]

Let's get. Let's get a little. Let's get one of these on here. Let's get fucking. Put this Cletus called a Terpski. Let's get fucking. That's when it gets real big. A Terbsky.

[B]

That would have got 90 millimeter, by the way.

[A]

Fucking habibi hit me up and informally invited us to a race. And we're gonna go race with Cletus in Connecticut in July. Stafford Motor Speedway Crown Vic race. The smoking tire. Are we. Is it two drivers to a car or one driver? I think it's four to a car.

[B]

I think it is.

[A]

Okay. Stafford Motor Speedway.

[B]

I thought it was like a team. Maybe it.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I'll look it up.

[A]

I have absolutely no idea how it works. All I know is a whole course.

[B]

I'm realizing a couple of racing driving events coming up that we know very little information about.

[A]

Yeah, I'm excited for the ice race, but I think they would have sent me, like, a driver information thing by now. Like, I have absolutely no idea what level of, like, safety equipment or anything I have to bring yet.

[B]

Where's.

[A]

What are you looking for?

[B]

I want to look at just an overhead picture of Stafford racing.

[A]

Oh. Just like Google satellite or go to Maps. It's just a fucking oval. It just looks like a whatever, you know, a half mile oval. There is a sort of an infield ish road coursey kind of thing. There's like, at least some bus stops and some chicanes that I guess you could sort of use. And I'm not sure how you would make that work, actually. Those might just be return roads and such, but yeah, it's an oval. It's gonna be fun.

[B]

That's gonna be so sick, right? Yeah. I'm really, really excited.

[A]

I think we're gonna finish. You have extensive Crown Vic experience.

[B]

I do. Well, it really depends on what year we're getting, you know, because they. They switched to a better steering system. We need a DOT two. Five, I think it was. We do need a DOT two. It matters. The steering rat better. I think they switched from ball to rack and pinion. I mean, I chose mine for a reason. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah, it does that. Yeah, that does make a big difference. We need.

[B]

I mean, it won't. It won't matter that. If it was a road course, it would matter more.

[A]

What was the one from all cars 3. Was that the good one? The. The. Where you. The.

[B]

That was the. No, that was the.

[A]

That wasn't the good one.

[B]

That was like two years before that. It was cheaper.

[A]

So yours had better steering.

[B]

Mine had way better steering. Mine had.

[A]

That does matter. That's very important. Well, Also, we spent 25 minutes crapping on the Ineos for this. Oh, by the way, you said that a patron DM'd you, right, and said that there is a software update that allows you to permanently disable ADAs on a Grenadier. Is that true?

[B]

That is true. And then I saw other comments that said it's not available in the 2026. But I like, would that mean it's only available last year but not this year?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So I don't know.

[A]

Because this year is an updated year and one of the things that's been updated is that because last year's didn't have this.

[B]

So I mean, the comments seemed conflicted, but a couple of people were like, there is a thing where you just hit a button and it disables it. It like turns it off. So I just don't know which year that is. So I assume it'd be with the newest one.

[A]

It's not. I don't think it is. I think they had to get rid of that and make it the three taps. Annoying that they do, but someone out there, like. I mean, someone that's like a tuner, like, is going to have an entire business in tuning to fucking defeat this shit.

[B]

Yeah. I would not want to own that. I would worry so much about the liability of if someone hits someone and then they go, the 8s was disabled by. Yeah, you know, it's like the people that were disabling all the diesel truck things, they got in trouble until they didn't get in trouble.

[A]

So, yeah, all you have to do is make a.

[B]

Well, you're betting on the unadministration liking what you're doing. And that's quite a gamble.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But speaking of ineos, because we're also talking about the silly name, folks gotta.

[A]

Take one more quick break because fitbod wants your ears. And man, I cannot tell you how important it is to have a routine and stick to it it and get accountability. Right? I have accountability. I have a personal trainer. I spoil myself. I spend my money on a personal trainer. And look, it works. I gotta do it. I know how to do a workout, but I need that accountability. And if you don't have a personal trainer, fitbod is a personal trainer in your pocket. Right. It's so easy. Fitbod creates personalized workout routines based on your goals, fitness level and your available equipment. Right. Workouts can adapt to your growth. So every workout is challenging enough to push you to make progress. Just like a personal trainer. FitBot then tracks your muscle recovery so you can avoid burnout and keep up your momentum. FitBot is fine tuned by experienced certified personal trainers to bring best practices and exercise science right to you. And there are over 1,000 demonstration videos within Fitbod. So you know that you're doing the workouts right. You're not going to get hurt. The fitbod app makes working out easier. It feels like having a personal trainer in your pocket. And it will customize these workouts based on the goals that you have. So level up your workout in the new year. Join fitbod today to get your personalized workout plan at F I tbod. Me tire. That's fitbod. Me tire. F I T B O D Me tire. Tire. And now back to the show.

[B]

And I was informed that it comes from this.

[A]

The Fusiliers is an infantry regiment of the British army, part of the Queen's division, two battalions. Okay, okay, so it's a, it's a.

[B]

It'S, it's, it comes from something tough.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

But it does sound kind of silly.

[A]

Yeah. I mean you, when you have the word sillier in it, it just to me invites a certain type of being laughed at.

[B]

Yeah. It's like if you're choosing a name for your kid and you, you start to run through like, what are the second graders gonna rhyme this with? And they'll find something. Doesn't really matter what your name is, you know, except for like one of Elon. Maybe that's why Elon's kids are named to letters and shit.

[A]

That is not gonna be able to make fun of them.

[B]

They can't rhyme it. They can't Rhyme it with anything.

[A]

That would be fucking cr. That's the most plausible explanation yet for that. When I was a boy, they made fun. They rhymed Elon with all kinds of terrible things.

[B]

Called me Flan. What else? That is a tough one too, though.

[A]

Elon is a hard one. It is.

[B]

It's like rhymes with orange. Unless you're Eminem. Who?

[A]

I mean, it's the end of Felon.

[B]

But outside of that, pretty good. I mean, let's see. That's tough.

[A]

Yeah, it is tough. But I. But, but this is the perfect.

[B]

I mean, they would just call him Elon Fuck. That's what you do. Because his last name is Musk. And when you second grade, you can get there pretty quickly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Elon Fuck.

[A]

Mm hmm. Leave those in the comments.

[B]

But x97d2 is. That's pretty hard. That's pretty.

[A]

I mean, the most Elon reaction, like trying to, you know, fix some very small problem by doing some huge embarrassing thing that just fucks up the person's life forever. That's how he works. And then he gets really rich. Fuck. Oh. I think I may have found the perfect interior fabric for the Mercedes. I was looking on actually the website where I got the fabric for the Mustang back in the day. I found some bangers.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Some real bangers. So I ordered some samples up.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Gotta see it in person to make sure the colors match up. Right. But like stoked.

[B]

Were they all bus fabrics?

[A]

No, most. They're all outdoor patio furniture fabrics. Yeah, the bus fabric looked amazing. I never like, loved the. It felt like a fucking bus when you touched it.

[B]

Well, it feels like micro fleece. Almost like a fleece jacket.

[A]

Yeah, but it's hard. But it's like hard. It's hard. And also this is something you don't learn on Instagram about someone's car. That bus fabric, when it got hot, like off gassed, like a smell that wasn't great. It probably eventually would stop in 10 years. Just designed to last like 50 years.

[B]

It is. Yeah.

[A]

But I never had that issue with the stuff from the Mustang, which was outdoor patio furniture stuff. It felt more like regular cloth, but had like UV resistance and stuff in it. So I sort of went back to that.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Because it's convertible, I'm gonna leave it with top parked down.

[B]

And you have to make sure the fabric is pliable enough that the upholsterer can stitch it. Right. Some patio furniture is very rigid.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, the bus fabric was fine. It's meant for going in seats, but yeah, some of it is like that hard plasticky stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they literally. They do have an umbrella fabric section because people get custom umbrellas made. But like. Yeah, when you get a sample so you can feel it and go, hey, can you fucking stitch this shit?

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. It's gonn fun. And it's like, if it works, I think it's gonna work. The goal is because you're talking about a four seat car that's gonna be all. It's black, Black carpet black. So you gotta break that up. But you know, in a way that like is a third color and maybe a fourth color that also works with red, black and silver. And so I sent it to Shant and he was like, oh shit. I think that's the one that's the fuck. That's the shit right there. So it would like brighten up the interior in like just the right kind of way. Fucking.

[B]

I'm excited.

[A]

That's gonna be.

[B]

I mean, I. I now know can we tow with interior sparkle? Thanks to you. So I get it.

[A]

Yeah. Are you still happy with your aggressive?

[B]

I get so many comments about it and I open the door, I'm like, this is awesome. And it's. I didn't realize how essential it was, but it's definitely inspired by your car. So instead of just having black leather.

[A]

It just makes you happy, doesn't it?

[B]

It does, yeah.

[A]

There's just like, just that like bit of whimsy. It's nice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And a lot of people really pay a lot of attention to how the outside of their car looks. Not realizing like what a change. Like even just doing the inserts or just doing like one or two little changes in the interior can make.

[B]

Yeah. Especially if you put a bucket in your car that has, you know, the removable pillow thing. 100% spend the money to get that insert done custom. Like it probably will be a few hundred dollars because it's one or two pillows. But your car will stand out and it'll show that you know, you've individualized it for you. And it's not just like the same seat other people have.

[A]

Remember I did that with the Corvette like back in the day and it looked great. With the Sparco seats. It just made it all match.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then. And you can buy fabrics like the play the website. I'll plug them is modern-fabrics.com and just start with the outdoor tab. The website's not great.

[B]

It's okay. Doesn't need to be great.

[A]

It's a bit messy, but yeah, you Just start going. If you go to shop all and then go to the outdoors tab on the left. Yeah, outdoors. And you could do. Yeah. So just like different stuff for couches and shit.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Very creative find.

[A]

Mm. So some of them are. These are like. Yeah, that. I mean see that one? I don't really know. With this, with that very deep texture. Yeah. I'm not really sure. The problem with these fabrics is you gotta order the sample because none of them have like most of them anyway. Don't show it on a furniture or something to give you any kind of sense of scale.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like that one on the bottom right there. I looked at that one. I have no idea how wide those stripes are.

[B]

Yes, that's a very, very good point.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, or like these whatever diamonds. Are those 2 inches long or a full foot? Like it could be huge.

[A]

Yeah. Cool. Anyway, it's gonna be very, very fun. I have an email from Queer shifting Gears.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Who wanted to follow up on the using dude magnet cars to pick up dudes and whether or not that is a good strategy. Long story short, no, it is not. It's not a good strategy. Da da da. Unless you plan on chasing straight men. Ew. That's not a thing that happens.

[B]

I guess that makes sense.

[A]

People are scared that that's a thing that happens. It's like not. Okay, but here's. But some observations. Some observations made up of knowing many young queer millennials buying their first new is after the hand me down dies or queer car enthusiast. Not the absolute truth of empirical data, but some amusing trends by gay women. The Subaru stereotype is accurate. That is very much accurate. Outside Subaru, always something boxy or cute. Think Wrangler Samurai or a Miata. Gay men one nice convertibles. Lexus, Mercedes Miata. It's not about going fast. It seems more about the holistic experience. Trans women Miata or mini Cooper. Trans men zero personal data. In addition, Mazda 3 and CX5s across the entire community. Common in every category. Every queer household with two cars that I know, one of those is a Mazda 3 or CX5. There we go. It seems. I can't believe I'm saying this, but it seems Mazda is always the answer.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So there you go. Thank you very much for that insight, patron.

[B]

Queer shifting gears.

[A]

Yeah. So unless you want to pick up straight dudes, which is.

[B]

Or chase them as you say, having.

[A]

Driven all those cars, believe me, that is boring. Good to know. Yeah. Get yourself a Mercedes sl. That's where you really want to be.

[B]

Someone else sent me an email that you might find interesting. This is a map they made of all accidents on Angela's Crest.

[A]

Holy shit. So that's just a map of Angela's Crest?

[B]

Well it seems pre wrapped. They went year by year. Wow. To show trends. And then there's also. You can do a guide between like.

[A]

What kind of accidents.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Oh wow.

[B]

Rear end head on. This is. I mean this looks super thorough for people listening. I mean there are so many categories I can turn on and off like passenger like jeep motorcycle, sport utility vehicle. I mean you can select the type of car and then the type of accident. Hit an object, slipped over sideswipe.

[A]

There isn't a tab for like guy was being a complete shitbag. You know what I mean? I wish there was a total dick bag tab.

[B]

This needs a two door coupe tag.

[A]

Well isn't there sports? Yeah, right.

[B]

That's what it needs.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. We need, we need more passenger car. But this is amazing. We need to be able to further determine what level of shit baggery was in. Was happening.

[B]

Right. So this is just passenger cars now.

[A]

And this is all years exactly the same. Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So wait, what's the. But it doesn't show. The colors on the map aren't like hot spots. It's just those different types of incidents. Right.

[B]

This is each individual incident. So I mean it's kind of happening.

[A]

Where it looks like the densest part. I mean it's really the lowest part here. Lower.

[B]

Lower Highway 2.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Because I would say this is where you know, tourists go like to go hiking. It's also commuters use this also people driving fast use this like lower section the most.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then what is this? This is what? Angeles Forest.

[A]

So that's. Yeah, that's the intersection of Big Tohunga and Angeles Forest. Yeah. Angeles Forest is honestly Angeles Forest highway is where I personally see by far the most reckless driving from commuters.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like I could probably tell you by location on this map whether it's fuckery or commuters. Angeles Forest in that dense spot right there, that is a shady ass place to be during commuting time. People make the sketchiest fucking double yellow passes there. They do things that like put the videos and I'm not trying to say like my fucking enthusiast driving is better than command. Like no, you shouldn't do that anyway. But like in terms you and I have seen things out there during commuting traffic that are box trucks. Crazy, crazy people crazy.

[B]

Or people with in an old Corolla passing Someone in an old Camry, double yellow, like into Apex. It's really. People are really.

[A]

I've been like almost understeered into by a Tacoma. I fucking. A guy rolled his jeep like 2 seconds before we got there. Once I almost got head oned by a Suburban and had to hit the shoulder in the 911st. Like just fucking nuts stuff I've seen up there.

[B]

Yeah. And this is one of those things where someone did the math of like, If I go 5 miles per hour faster, you know, on my way to work for this commute, how much quicker will I actually get there? Probably three minutes.

[A]

Can I just point out that my favorite road in the Angeles Forest is also the safest?

[B]

Well, it's probably the least driven. I mean, you're right. But it's not as tight.

[A]

Nine miles. My favorite road in the Angeles Forest is also.

[B]

There's fewer blind spots. It's not as tight, it's just not as traffic. So what was interesting is I'm gonna deselect all years. So if you go year by year.

[A]

Whoever made this fucking. You guys, you guys are. You got a lot of time on your hands. But I really like this.

[B]

So like. Okay, so I wanted to look at before COVID and after. Cause good vibes began in Covid time. Right?

[A]

Sure. Yeah. Okay.

[B]

So 2016, all I have is passenger cars selected of all kinds of accidents.

[A]

Oh. And it shows on the incidents. Total incidents on screen. 103. Right. Is that. This says 103.

[B]

111. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's weird. Yeah. 101.

[A]

Searching year.

[B]

111. So we'll go with total incidence on screen. So 103.

[A]

Oh, on screen. Because you have to zoom. If you zoom out, there's probably more. So 111 is actually the answer.

[B]

All right, so we'll go with 111 in 2016.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

157 in 2017. 104 in 2018. So it's kind of oscillating. 112 in 2019. 2020. 142. Okay, so that's like good vibe starts. And I'm not trying to blame good vibe. It just got more popular to go up there. There. 2021. 147. 2022. 130. 104. So it actually doesn't really affect it. 139.

[A]

I mean, actually, dude, this is all within range. It is 20, 25, 147. That's a lot. That's high. That's the highest.

[B]

Yeah. Because when this was sent to me. I believe the comment was like, I think good Vibes influenced this. But I looked at the averages and it actually oscillates in this range. It seems to. I don't know what. What is the determining factor really, but it just goes between 100 and 100 and something.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it's like, if you want to look at it, you could compare it to some. If you wanted to go well in 2025 and compare it to one of the low years, you could go well compared to 2017.

[B]

It's up 50%.

[A]

It's up 50%. Or you could go well compared to 2018. The other year, it's only up like 11%. You know what I mean? You could make up a statistic to suit your preexisting argument.

[B]

Yeah, I mean. Yeah, that's the hard thing with statistics. It's like 147 in 2025. I also think that. And I've talked about this on this show and other things, like, I think social media is having more of an influence on driving accidents in the canyons than good vibes is.

[A]

Sure. But do you also think that it's possible that more people have to live out in like Palmdale and commute to LA for whatever reason, cost reasons. They moved out for Covid. And that's what I'm like. Is it that enthusiasts are fucking up more or is it that just more people are commuting on that road either because the traffic has gotten worse on the highway and they're trying to avoid it, or because more people are moving out there and that's how you get to la. Yeah. Okay. The traffic, the crashes are up by a little bit. But what I would like to see, I think, and probably is like, is the traffic flow on that road up by the proportional. Same amount. So is the driving getting worse or are there just more people and therefore more crashes?

[B]

I think we'd have to look at the area only above, right?

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Zoom in to where nobody's commuting. I agree.

[B]

Right, yeah. You know, above Mount Wilson, we could do. I wonder if we can do that.

[A]

We probably can. We got that. Incidents on screen.

[B]

That's right. Let's see if.

[A]

Okay, so enthusiast section. Can you zoom in further?

[B]

Yeah, okay.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Drag the map down a little bit. Down the.

[B]

Okay, you want to.

[A]

Down. Other way down. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, there we go. Okay, that's about. That's roughly where we need to be. Can you zoom out a little bit? But keep that intersection at the bottom.

[B]

Oh, that's hard to.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

No, no, it's, that's. I can't zoom in and out less than that.

[A]

I see. Okay, so just drag it left. Yeah, more, more, more. So that intersections all the way to the left. Keep going, keep going, keep going.

[B]

There. All right.

[A]

Oh, that doesn't actually get you.

[B]

It doesn't give us.

[A]

Okay, you're right, sorry.

[B]

Okay, but let's see what was like 2019, there were three.

[A]

Three.

[B]

So three incidents was this northeast of Upper Big. And then 2020 there were 11, 2021, there were 13, and then 16 and then five. So 2023.

[A]

Oh, wait, was that section of road closed? Oh, maybe there might have been a section of road that was closed or closed. Could you get up there for.

[B]

I don't know, I feel like they kept that section.

[A]

I think you always could. Okay, continue.

[B]

2024, it's only 10, so it kind of went down. So it actually.

[A]

And 2025 was 15.

[B]

So I mean it honestly oscillates quite a bit.

[A]

And it's gone, it's gone up. But like by like single digits, not by like alarming amounts.

[B]

Well, actually if we go back to 2017, there were 11. I think that's like the second most out of all of these years.

[A]

Yeah, but it's within a range. Yeah. How interesting to be able to look at that.

[B]

I mean, this is such a cool tool and I thought it was really fascinating. And then when you start looking at.

[A]

It, I gotta say there's not. Out of all those crashes, the section where that you just looked at, that you zoomed in on that section is like relatively safe. I think the crashes that do happen up there get a lot of coverage. They get posted on social media and they're often a sports car possibly hitting another sports car and possibly more severe. Yeah, I mean, but it's actually considering the other sections of the road in terms of just data, it's a relatively safe section to be driving.

[B]

Well, it's kind of like when people as electric cars got faster and faster and you can buy 1,000 horsepower at a dealership and we go, oh, is this going to cause more and more accidents? And you go, well, if you looked at the data of average horsepower per accident, it's going to be slower cars or less powerful cars just because there's more of them. Yeah. You know, and so there's just fewer people up here.

[A]

That's really, really interesting though. Yeah, I'd love to see the next level of in depth research would be shit baggery.

[B]

You need that category. I think two door coupes would be a good marker.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

If that was. But I think it depends on if the police have a box for that when they do an accident report.

[A]

Like, was the car modded? Just a checkbo.

[B]

Yeah, that would be pretty funny.

[A]

Oh, man. That's fucking cool though.

[B]

Yeah, we'll put that.

[A]

Put that in there. And shout out to my favorite road. Also being the safest by far by like a lot. That's what's up. Because I'm on it. All right. Should we go to the people?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Oh, before we do, if you are in the North Carolina area in April, Zach and I will be doing a live podcast at the Heritage invitational at the 1010 Motor Club, which is the private club next to Charlotte Motor Speedway. But this event will be open. You can get a ticket for the whole day's event and that ticket will be also a ticket to the podcast. So you don't. You buy a ticket and it's for the whole day. There's going to be all kinds of cool car shit going on and our.

[B]

Podcast, so be very fun.

[A]

Yeah. Get it where you get. I guess we'll figure out. I don't know if the tickets are on sale yet actually, but put it on your calendar. April, I want to say 9th, 10th, 11th is when it is. I think it's April 9, 10th, 11th. Okay, let's go to those fun ass folks over [e-mail] thesmokentyrepodcast we appreciate all of you keeping the boat floating down the ocean here. And if you join us over at Patreon, you get to ask questions for the show, watch the livestream, get the show the day it's recorded rather than waiting. Get the show without ads and get extra show and other good fun stuff. Plus you get to support your favorite car. People who yap about their opinions like they're more valuable than anybody else's opinions. Am I right? Zach was looking at something else.

[B]

I was looking at something else.

[A]

He zones out when I say that because why does he need to be here? He knows what all the things you get are over at Patreon, but sometimes you drop in a little something at the end. He wasn't looking. Christian says, will your next daily be an expensive depreciated car or go back to lease? I mean, we just talked about it's going to be something that can tow. That's going to be it. So I don't know. It could honestly be either of those things. I mean, there's an argument to get a brand new thing and lease it and talk about it. I mean, from a content creation perspective, if I lease something, it has to be new. Like a new product that just came out that people want to know about. That worked really well for Mach E. Or we go the other way, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

We find like a fucking 2012 G wagon.

[B]

Start towing with that 4 miles per gallon. Hannah would like X5 diesel. That would be more. I'd be more into that.

[A]

That would be okay. That would actually be okay. But I, but all those are like old now.

[B]

They are. They're 15 years old.

[A]

Yeah, like I don't want anything that old. Like it's gotta, it's gotta have like carplay and shit like that.

[B]

Adas.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Post carplay pre ADAS is where we really need to be, right?

[B]

That's like. What's the best era to live in?

[A]

You know, it might be. What is the tow rating on a Cayenne hybrid? Like a V6. Cayenne Hybrid. That could be the real fucking move actually, because you're talking about a plug in hybrid. I could drive it on electricity most of the time. It probably meets the gross vehicle weight, tax deduction. Holy shit. That's $100,000 fucking car. 7716 pounds. Wow, habibi. I can't afford a 26. We're gonna be looking at used. But. But now Cayenne hybrid, that could be. Maybe I can make my dad an offer he can't refuse.

[B]

Well, his is not a turbo, right?

[A]

No, this is a V6 hybrid.

[B]

Turbo has a lower tow rating apparently.

[A]

Yeah, it's got it because it's got to be suspension probably and wear wheels or you know, some other.

[B]

Now if you want to go depreciate it, you could go two door Tahoe. Go old school.

[A]

I don't, I don't want, I don't want no classic towing. No. And you don't really want like a. Yeah, you know, it's like that. God, those are cool. But nah. Yeah, that would be like. Well, let's put an old fucking T4.

[B]

In it or put a Cummins in it.

[A]

But that's. See that's. This might be the actual hack plug in hybrid cayenne.

[B]

We'll have to do a lot of math.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. But like it doesn't need to be to the dollar. But like I love that car. That's a great fucking car. And oh, by the way, it can tow a trailer. What a delight. That's good to know. Get some cool wheels.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Fucking something on it that makes it look. Yeah, some Pre's and then you get some Pre's on the trailer. Dude, you gotta go matchy matchy. I don't know how small those wheels are. They think they're probably small. Hre doesn't make anything smaller than like 17s.

[B]

I would be. I would honestly be nervous about. About parking a trailer like overnight somewhere like at a hotel with special wheels only. Cause every six months my Instagram someone in the car community, their trailer gets stolen, which sucks. And the community tries to rally to help them find it, but it's just too attractive.

[A]

That's a good point. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. That sucks when that happens.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is there a good way to like bet? Cause all trailers are just secured with like a padlock essentially.

[B]

Yeah, I think you do that. But man, if you follow McNally Official on YouTube you can pick any lock if you.

[A]

Oh yeah, well you don't even need to pick. You can fucking cut with cutters or whatever.

[B]

You could now with lithium ion technology. I think you just stuff air tags like in places they can't get them out. Like that's welded in somewhere. Truly. They're gonna have to cut it open if they want to stop you from tracking it.

[A]

Yeah. God, that's fucking shitty. But that's a good point. You don't want to make your trailer too flash. Yeah. Let's go.

[B]

Someone asked if we had seen this.

[A]

Front wheel drive nsx. Have you seen the Capricorn Zagato? Fucker's a stunner. You're not wrong. I did see this. And actually when I first saw it I went, oh, you've zagatoed a second gen Ford gt.

[B]

Wow, they have, haven't they?

[A]

Right.

[B]

This intake isn't. That is very Ford gt.

[A]

But I thought this was like. And the windshield also to me makes it look like they used a Ford GT tub for this maybe. And if they use this big engine, supposedly the 5.2 V8 supercharged. Wow. Right? I mean, but also, I'm just saying it looks like they've done that. They probably didn't.

[B]

They probably would have a five speed manual. That's an interesting choice.

[A]

That is an interesting choice. You think that's a. That's gotta be an error. Well, who the fuck would build a five speed manual?

[B]

I mean you could get them for cheap because no one wants them anymore, but that would be weird.

[A]

So there's an argument. Here's an argument for this, for a five speed manual is with a car like that, which is probably very light and made of carbon fiber. 887 horsepower with a manual is so much. Okay. And apparently they say this engine revs to 9,000. That's a dogleg five speed.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So basically they're going for a throwback vibe and they're saying that with this much power and that many revs, you actually don't need so many gears.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

Which is an interesting argument to make. That interior looks great. So I guess this is not based in a Ford. Based on a Ford GT tub. It looks fucking cool though. But you could see how I sort of came up with that guess.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But I guess not. It looks really cool.

[B]

I mean, the car and driver agrees with you. Like, it has a slight hint of 2017 Ford GT.

[A]

It's a little more than slight, but okay. Yeah, not bad. I mean, look, the most important, we've.

[B]

Built 19 of them for $3.5 million.

[A]

It's incredibly important that all 1500 billionaire car collectors are appeased. It's extremely important. Yes. It's extremely important that these talents are not being used to build cars that like, like even mildly rich people can afford.

[B]

If you get a new thing and never use it, like if you have a huge car collection and you buy the thing and you park it, you're excited because you got it, and then that wears away. Just like if we bought, I don't know, a new T shirt and then threw it in a closet.

[A]

I did that scale. You know, I did that math once. The math of Ralph Lauren giving my dad the vanquish of his net worth versus the car. I did that math when I was. Whatever year that was. 2000, 2005, I guess. And it was the equivalent of me giving my friend a T shirt. Fucking. It was wild. The scale that and the scale was like even I think at the time, Ralph might have been worth $5 billion. I mean, imagine what the scale is now between some of these fucking people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Mustang geek says. I've never encountered a car owner or car enthusiast who prefers touch screens to physical buttons. Am I not talking to the right or are manufacturers listening to the wrong people? Where do manufacturers get the idea that drivers want touchscreens? Tesla, that's where. Tesla, Tesla, Tesla. The success of Tesla and the fact that Tesla didn't cheap a Tesla interior doesn't cost a fucking thing to make. That's why they do that. And everyone else was like, wait, we don't have to spend money on this.

[B]

Plus, people liked it. And I think at the time everyone, we were using phones, we're using iPads, people liked it a lot. And Tesla did a really good job with their integration and their UI design. And so of course the market's going to follow. And Tesla was selling so many cars and the market went, okay, well, let's take that same thing. But now the pendulum went too far.

[A]

Yeah. But also, if you think about all the things that you can do, just like to. I don't want to. I like buttons for primary functions no matter what. But like, think about how many more things you can do in your car now. Because there's a screen. Sure. Like just all kinds of settings and all kinds of stuff you can do to make your car a little better for you because that screen is there. And like think about the gap, the closing gap in luxury from a fucking Kia to a Mercedes now because of what you can do with a touchscreen and features and stuff like that.

[B]

And imagine if you took a Elantra N right now and you turned all of the N function adjustments or like an ionic 5N, which is weird because it's electric. But if you took all those adjustments that are in the screen and made a button for them, it would be insane. Three pianos. You'd be that guy at a concert who's just playing two different things and that would be overwhelming.

[A]

Yeah. So like it's. But no, I think one car development cycles are a long time. So it took a few years for all the automakers to pivot to chase Tesla to screens. And now it's taken a few years for them to process people's frustration with screens and to pivot their product lines back to buttons. But where did they get that idea? I think we all know. Check engine light bulb remover clock. That would be a good T shirt.

[B]

Actually, that's not a bad T shirt.

[A]

You know what? I'm so over Take the black. The anti blank blank clubs.

[B]

Right. The antisocial social club. But that's been taken.

[A]

But it's now it's like I go to a fucking Italian restaurant and it's like the anti pasta pasta club. Let's get the fuck out of here. It's lame. How much of the recent crazy public auction prices do you think are something nefarious? That is money laundering, market cornering, price anchoring versus the product of growing income inequality, especially of the have lots. I think it's that. I think that for again, those 1500 people, look, I thought most of those, like, I thought all those yellow cars, I thought most of them were Pretty ugly, but they were certainly unique. And they had like delivery miles, the mecum ones.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And so you had a few people who have all the money for whom there is no difference between 5 and 11 million dollars. Crazy as it is to say, who said, I want that one? I'm never gonna find a yellow delivery mile Enzo ever again, probably. So whatever it costs, let's fucking go. And then what happens after that is a bunch of other people that were thinking about selling are like, oh, shit. And people are still hot because that's the new price.

[B]

Sure. But I think they're also. So there is probably some market pumping happening. We've talked about this with what Dinos and the Skylines. And there was a car that went up yesterday, the day before. And the first, the initial bid was like $500,000. I wish I could find the listing. And everyone went, this is almost a suspicious leap. Like this person was trying to set the reserve, even though without setting the reserve. And there's stuff like that where a dealership that deals in like vintage exotics could just bid themselves back and forth and pump their own book.

[A]

Well, and also something nefarious in terms of this question is a pretty wide spread of things here. Market cornering is one thing, but money laundering is actually kind of a different thing.

[B]

You know, Fortnite, you watch that channel?

[A]

I know what it is.

[B]

Great motorcycle stuff. They did a story recently about a ring of people that were laundering money by selling motorcycles. And they were trading like 2 year old MotoGP bikes from Ducati and some special stuff. But the thing that kind of red flagged everyone is there was like a custom bike shop that was taking huge deposits and huge amounts of money for like three times what the bike should be worth. And it kind of got everybody's attention. And it turns out that that's probably what was going on. And one of the people involved was the. That Canadian snowboarder who just turned himself in for a Canadian.

[A]

I was about to say he had a warehouse full of race bikes.

[B]

It was that guy. So that's part of how they figured out how he was moving money around.

[A]

I mean, not just as a fucking lefty, but I really, I do think that these big auction prices for the most part are the result of the have lots having lots. Because look, I've done crime before. Like, if you're doing crimes, trying to hide those crimes by buying shit publicly at auction isn't the best idea. Even if you're trying to hide it by buying cars. There's lots of Places to buy cars fucking quietly. You don't need to set a record at a public auction if what your goal is is to launder money.

[B]

Yeah. If you're laundering money, you do it. You should do it quietly.

[A]

You do it quietly. You don't fucking go to me. Come and put on a cowboy hat and fucking, you know, send it. You'd keep that shit on the sly. I just think that there's a small number of people for whom there just isn't a difference.

[B]

But if you want to, you know, let's say you sell the drugs and you know, I buy the car from you to pay you for the drugs that I have purchased from you, whatever. But now I want to exit like I can sell the car at Mecum.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

So that I can get my exit money. You gotta have a couple people like that.

[A]

Yeah, you do. You need a fence. Yeah, yeah, you need a fence on the other side. Now in this particular case, the guy selling the cars had bought them new. So it wasn't that it was a. But also, like I do have to say the yellow cars in particular, there is a precedent that buying unique specification high end Ferraris is actually a very good investment. You know, like, even if you spend a lot today, you hold it for a while, like you'll get your money back. Yeah, for sure. I don't think people lose a lot of money on unique specification Ferraris. You know, I mean like factory, you know, factory ordered stuff. Of course there's obviously some examples where the car is like super, super ugly, but just a yellow Enzo. Like they didn't make a lot of that. And you'll. That's probably a good investment. Nostradamus. Pretty good.

[B]

That so good.

[A]

I'm thinking of a bit of you or me dressed up as a Nostradamus huffing a tank and taking questions.

[B]

I thought you were going to go with like the, the fast and furious selling car parts type of Nostradamus. Like what turbo should I put on this thing? Like you want a 72 millimeter, not a 76.

[A]

See, that's funny too. Can I do that while ripping a fucking tank? Sure. Okay, cool. All right. Other than the obvious German sports, other than the obvious German options, what are some high performance sports cars that comfortably seat tall drivers? I'm 6, 7 and an in shape 250. I've always wanted something more exotic, but struggle to fit. If I do, the sight lines tend to be a challenge. Yeah, that's tough.

[B]

Lebron, he's always writing in. He's always Writing into us, this guy.

[A]

Options for tall drivers. I mean 9 11s. Other than the obvious. So that's the problem is other than the obvious bits. I assume you're in America because you're using freedom units. So the Alpine A110 will not do it.

[B]

6 7, like what is. What is 6 7.

[A]

Like front engine Corvettes. Not, you know, not the, not the C8s, but like C7s. That may not excite you so much, but it works.

[B]

You probably, it's probably safer to always go with a two plus two, right. Because then you can lean the seat back into that back seat. Like.

[A]

Yeah, Bentley gt. Sure, Bentley. Get yourself a depreciated Bentley gt. But like the obvious is obvious for a reason. I hate to say. Like what, like Lexus lc, Alexis lc Is that way that work that's comfortable for a tall driver? I think so. Yeah. They have lots of leg room. The Mercedes S63 cabriolet.

[B]

The thing is, the average height in Germany is among the tallest in the world. Average height of a man is five' eleven. I think here it's five' nine. So they're just Z jersey. They're already designing the car for tall people.

[A]

They are.

[B]

If Denmark makes a car, that'll be for you because I think that's the average tallest. But I don't know. Mustang, I don't know. I don't know how tall you can be to fit in the Mustang gt.

[A]

Pretty, pretty tall.

[B]

And you can, you can lean the seat back, but eventually like you're. Are you too far away from the wheel? How long are this guy's arms?

[A]

You may run into issues of ergonomic challenges.

[B]

Sure. Look up what basketball players drive. Honestly, you are that height.

[A]

Hellcats. Yeah, like all the Hellcats. That's what really tall people drive. Yeah, Seriously, there's a lot of like NBA players that I that because we're across the street from the Clippers practice. And also Killer Mike is a big dude. He drives a Hellcat. He says, he told me the other day he'll never give up his Hellcat. Yeah, they're fun and like, I hate to say it but like, you know, fast crossovers too. Tall drivers drive like Cayenne Turbos and shit you know, sometimes. But like eliminating the obvious eliminates a lot of the good ones. Like let's put the obvious back in for a minute. 911s are great for tall drivers. Audi R8s for mid engine cars are good for tall drivers. Not spiders. But R8 coupes are good. Bentley GTs are good. Like oh, the Mercedes, Mercedes C63 coupes. The 2 plus 2s.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah. That's a nice car.

[A]

Those are good. And all those Mercedes AMG coupes. Those are really good for tall drivers. Like they had like the E63 coupe thing for a while. Like those are great.

[B]

Yeah. I think you have to go with the obvious 2/2s. Yeah, M2 maybe. I don't know. 2 +2. I just don't know.

[A]

I mean, certainly an M4. An M4 seat does a huge car and the seat goes way far back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The toking tire that I like. Very nice. Is the premium for a 997 Carrera S over a 987 Cayman S worth the 20 to 30k delta in price difference for comparable examples. I've been lucky enough to drive many 911s, but this would be my first Cayman ownership experience is the 911 Carrera S experience versus a Cayman S experience. I mean 20, 30K. So you're talking about a $60,000 car versus a $40,000 car. Really? Really. So the thing is, both of those cars, if you keep them nice, are flat money pretty much. Or like very, very slow depreciation. If you keep them nice and service them, they cost roughly the same to service and maintain. The Carrera is going to be faster. And because it's a small car, a997 is a pretty small car. The Delta in size between a 911 and a Cayman is actually less than in the modern era. They are actually closer in size then than they are now. So it really depends on how much money you have. If you can afford to park the extra money into the 911, I'd say probably yes. Worth it. If that amount of money doesn't really mean something to you to hold onto and use for your life. Like, and I'm not your accountant, like.

[B]

Do you think it matters what experience they want from the car? I mean there's, there's a lot of overlap between these two vehicles. Like they're comfortable for long distance, they're very sporty. Yeah, you could drive them on the track, blah, blah, blah, blah. But one is rear engine, one's mid engine. I think they have distinct feels in that regard.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I think that's what I would focus on as well. Like if the money doesn't matter to you. Okay, well, are you trying to have a 911 experience and get into that game or do you want to have the mid engine thing? Which is a pretty rare thing to have, especially at this price point.

[A]

The good thing about this type of car is if you drive it for a year, you maintain it. Whatever, other than the taxes and the insurance and whatever, your total cost of ownership is probably not that much. If you think you might like to try a Cayman, try one. Drive it for a year. Maybe you love it. Maybe you what? I think maybe actually that extra 20k to get me into that 911 is worth it. And now you've learned something. And maybe it costs you a little bit of money to learn that lesson, but in the meantime you've had some fun. But I think both of those cars, just financially would be similar costs to own over a period of time and have similarly slow depreciation curves. If you, if you drove them the same and maintained them, you know, are.

[B]

There more, many more.

[A]

Advil and vodka. Did you ever steal a parent's or friend's parents cars for a joyride? Anytime you borrowed a car, you Definitely shouldn't have. 100%.

[B]

Really?

[A]

100%. My parents cars when they were out of town. I drove my dad's car to school instead of my car. And I immediately was narked out by a teacher to my parents. Yeah. Fully narcked out. I got a phone call as soon as I got home from school.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Oh yeah. My, my school was a goddamn surveillance state before that, before educating you for pre 9 11. They were there when they were like, you know, Dick Cheney was like, you know, we need to figure out how to control these people. You know, who's doing it, right. Rye Country Day School in Rye, New York. Basically the basis for the Patriot Act.

[B]

It really prepared you from the modern age.

[A]

It did, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But other, I mean, never. It was like stolen and like fucking ripped it or did something like super, super crazy. But like, I definitely would roll my dad's car sans permission when my parents would go out of town sometimes, like, I don't even know why. Just because it was there, you know, because why, why wouldn't you.

[B]

I was allowed to drive them, but I would do unauthorized off roading.

[A]

Oh. And well, that's a different story.

[B]

I mean we, we used to have, we had a 96 grand Cherokee, I think. And I went off roading and it came back and I washed the car and to hide the evidence. And I think I was 16. And my dad goes, did you go off roading in the Jeep? And I go, no. He goes, interesting. Yeah, come here. Not good. So we walk outside and he Opens the hood. And I forgot to wash the engine mud. The entire engine bay is brown.

[A]

Spotless.

[B]

Because I was splashing deep puddles. And then. I didn't notice. He brought me around the back.

[A]

That's like a movie scene. That's like, we could clean it up, bro. They'll never know.

[B]

My dad's got this righteous set of tools. And in the back, I had cracked the plastic bumper cover, and it was hanging like, 8 inches off. And it. He's like. Because from. You know, doing. What is it? A departure angle? And he. JB welded it on. It held for the life of the car, but I was caught so quickly.

[A]

That's hilarious.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Travis, Wait. Travis Pastrana's primary care provider. Hypothetical. You're going back to 1902 in the United States. You're allowed to bring whatever vehicle you want with you. What are you bringing? I mean, the question is, can I get.

[B]

Exactly. Can you get fuel?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And is it going to be good enough?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is there going to be unleaded fuel? So I was going to go with something electric.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Like, I'd go like Rivian or it.

[A]

Would take, like, seven days to charge a Rivian.

[B]

It would. But otherwise I got to find a chemist and say, can you take the lead out of this? Gasoline. Gasoline. Or you get something from, like, the 50s. But.

[A]

Well, I mean, can. Let's.

[B]

Let's assume you.

[A]

Otherwise, we could. We're gonna have to debate what fuel is available in 19. Oh, not even debate. I gotta bring something that has a flex fuel system. Right, Right.

[B]

GTR with a tune.

[A]

Yeah. Koenigsegg.

[B]

Something that runs on.

[A]

I mean, like, my Perfect. The perfect 1902 vehicle would be a Sherp. A Sherp. A Sherp is. There is no better vehicle for a world essentially without roads, without laws, no vehicle registration. You have a tiny little diesel engine. Assuming you could get diesel, I think you could get diesel. Could you get diesel in 1902? If you could get diesel? This thing can go 2000 miles on a tank of diesel. Diesel.

[B]

Diesel. The first diesel engine was patented in 1892.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

First working prototype in 1897. Oh, shit.

[A]

We're getting close.

[B]

We're getting real close, buddy.

[A]

So there's one guy in America who makes diesel. You just have to go back to this.

[B]

The fuel itself was called distillate, and that was first used in commercial engines in 1898. So you could find it.

[A]

Okay. So you could get diesel.

[B]

That is a good church.

[A]

Is it? Dude, it's got a tractor motor.

[B]

Well, and because roads are probably not that well mapped. So if you encounter a lake, you can keep going, no problem. I could go around it.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know about since, but as of the time that I drove the Sherp and they'd been making them for like three years, they said that none had ever gotten a flat tire and only one had ever broken its drive chain. So, like, I feel like I could fucking make it a couple of years.

[B]

That's a really good choice down there.

[A]

With a Sherpa, right? Yeah. Granny shifting. Not double clutching like you should. Has there ever been a time in your life where you wish you had a mulligan? Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, God, yeah. Way too embarrassing here. Do you try to think about. I mean. Yeah, no, dude. I mean, I haven't had any, like, huge ones, but, like, certainly a lot of small ones where I wish I had acted differently. Yeah.

[B]

And I think I used to feel really bad. I mean, I still do sometimes, like, ruminate on that stuff. But what I think I read, you know, the things you have done have led to who you are today. So if you, like, went back and changed those things, you have that butterfly effect, you know, would you. The lessons you learned from doing those things quote wrong, maybe that informs you going forward and you are the, you know, the good, better person you are today because of that stuff.

[A]

Yeah, it takes like, a lot of therapy to. To stop beating yourself up for those things and to like. And to forgive yourself. And also, like, I just, I. You know, people come up to me all the time and remember me from somewhere, say, I met you here. And sometimes they'll be like, I said this really, like, dumb thing in front of you. And like, I do not remember. But that shit will, for some reason have haunted them until they. And they. And you know, to the point where they feel they need to bring it up. And it just reminds me constantly of the things that I did that I found to be like, so embarrassing or shameful or social faux pas. Or I said this dumb thing and this girl looked at me weird and like, fucking. Nobody at the other half of that remembers any of that shit.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, so.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Even Flowmaster. Should license plate covers be illegal across the country? Yeah, probably. I think they are illegal in most.

[B]

Places in most states. Yeah. People rock them anyway, but let the police figure that out.

[A]

Matt, pair of dem titties. You and three other drivers get to do Nurburgring 24. Who's on your team and what are you driving?

[B]

Wow. I choose Chris Harris.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

And then I need two professionals.

[A]

You want Rob Holland.

[B]

Oh, yeah, Rob is great.

[A]

You want.

[B]

Rob's nice as well.

[A]

You want Chris Harris. Yeah. And then you want someone that's even.

[B]

Faster than Rob, like Ollie Beerman or something. Someone like that.

[A]

Oh, you go, Max Verstappen, Jorg Bergmeister or York on the Nurburgring. I think I might put your New York Bergmeister above Max Verstappen. Same car, I think. I think. I think Jorg could take Max on the nurse.

[B]

I might choose Lee Keane, which he hasn't raced there in a while, but I like him, you know, he's good.

[A]

And what are we driving? I mean, we're driving a cup car. It has to be a 911 cup. It's a good time. 90s dance organ says, can you scroll down a little bit? I like to put my spin on. On.

[B]

Well, why haven't you put wheels and exhaust on your countach?

[A]

My friend, My friend, there are things you don't know. First off, just imagine rims on a Countach. I mean, can you imagine any other wheel in the fucking history of aftermarket wheels that would make a countach look better than gold? Goddamn phone dials.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you fucking kidding me? Improve on that, Habibi, you do not improve on Gandini. That's absurd.

[B]

It's a pretty stunning wheel.

[A]

That's absurd.

[B]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

Fuck. And that's by the way, made by Oz so they come on rims, my friend. And oh, by the way, my car has a fucking exhaust on it. My car. I purchased it with an Albertoni V12 engineering Catback exhaust on it. So it's already got that. Mm. But yeah, no fucking with a Countach with rims.

[B]

What about like, like Alpenas, you know, some big like 21 spokes? No, something. Something very edgy to match the edges of the Kintosh.

[A]

Oh, my God, I think I'm getting sweats. You kid, you imagine. Imagine, dude, how easily you could fuck that car up.

[B]

Take Gallardo wheels, ribs, you know, straight lines. Put those on there. It's in the family.

[A]

Yamahabibi says, what cars would you like to own in the next 10 or so years? Hmm? It's so funny. There's nothing that's like on the list that's reasonable. Everything that I would like is so fucking expensive that I can't afford. And that's a shame. I would say I'd like to eventually have another air cooled 911. I really enjoyed it. I'd pretty much leave it alone. Like I'D want a street car. I could drive a lot. I wouldn't. Oh my God, that is terrible. Yeah. Here's a countach anniversary on rims and they look like fairly high quality rims, but that sucks. That looks awful. That's fucking brutally bad, dude.

[B]

I found like one example.

[A]

Yeah, that's bad.

[B]

A nice air cooled thing would be cool. I was lightly shopping for Terminator Cobras. They've gone up in price.

[A]

No way.

[B]

Quite a bit really. I mean, I think I need to search for ones with higher mileage. That fat ace was helping me. I pivoted his brain from old Mustang to newer Mustang and he was. The cars were like 40 grand. Oh, that's not crazy, but it's more than I was expecting.

[A]

Yeah. There is another Mustang I have my eye on, but they really don't exist. And so, but I mean I'm very excited about the Mercedes. I'm excited about having a custom cruiser which I think will be because now it's like now I'm 44 now I want like, I want cars that are cool but for like doing the things that I do. And so like, you know, I spend a lot of time in traffic, like fucking on nice days.

[B]

Right. Have something that you're excited to sit in traffic with. Yeah, that makes sense.

[A]

Bright linglong baloney skins. Thoughts on Volvo S60 and V60 recharge plug in hybrids. We drove that. We've driven those before. Or I did. I thought it was nice.

[B]

I can't remember.

[A]

My sister in law has an S60 recharge and very much like likes it.

[B]

Some of the best seats available today.

[A]

Yeah, you know what, they're not like exciting dynamically. The steering isn't great, but they're beautifully designed, spacious, the seats are fabulous, the ride is good. They're really, really comfortable. Nice to look at if you do highway miles, commuting or whatever. They're sweet. Yeah. They're not exciting dynamically but they are very nice. Nice. Did you highlight this one for a minute?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay. And then she said wait. And then she said now in my Bach. Oh, now in my Bach.

[B]

Now in my Bach.

[A]

That's pretty funny. I'm a huge pre Renault Nisso fan. Pre Renault Nissan fan. How in the world is Nissan pulling off a manual zone? The new Godzilla, a Nismo Armada and an infinity sports sedan in the next two to three years when they were a year away from bankruptcy. Do you feel there's any hope or is this last hurrah? It's so fucking interesting. I pay so Little attention to Nissan's finances. I don't know. Is that. I mean, the manual Z didn't seem hard. That seemed like they just took the two things they already had and should put them together. I realized that it does cost some money to do that, but that doesn't seem that hard. The return of Godzilla. Is that an electric car? Isn't that supposed to be an electric car? Nismo Armada seems pretty.

[B]

It's concerned to be a hybrid.

[A]

A hybrid.

[B]

Three to five years.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Look, I think the thing is companies always have to say what they're going to do next.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

And if they hit a snag that's large enough called bankruptcy, like these projects will go away and they might have to give up. I mean, what you just listed are like four exciting things they might give up. You know, the middle thing, like they might need a flagship car like a new GTR to remind people that they're cool and keep selling, you know, crossovers to people in 20 years or 10 years. And then maybe they need the Armada to actually sell to people. But if things go belly up, like, these projects will just get abandoned and there'll be prototypes somewhere for sale. Yeah, that's what'll happen.

[A]

Yeah, you'll be able to get the one manual. Fucking Z. I think the car companies.

[B]

Will always keep trying until they can't.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Micah Moore. I have a ZL1 manual. Looking to move to maybe a C8Z06. What is a comparable price range? Cayman option. Still manual. GT4. That is a GT4.

[B]

That's like right in the same price range as C8.

[A]

There are plenty out there. GT4 is what you want. The EcoBoost in me. There you go. Rise against. It's the eco terrorist in me is a good rise against Song. Very good. You understood the assignment you mentioned a few shows back. You don't like titanium watches. I know they're not as cosmetically durable. Is there another reason? Yeah, it has nothing to do with cosmetically durable. I think titanium watches feel cheap. I think they feel plasticky. I have this debate with Ali all the time because he's obsessed with titanium watches and buys all titanium watches. But to me, the weight of titanium is not light enough to impress me. Like a Richard Millennium, but too light to feel like expensive and solid, but that's just me. I think they're pretty durable, though. Trump's thigh gap. Oh, I recently. This is the fuck. Marry, kill. Coffee, alcohol and weed. Coffee, alcohol, but kept.

[B]

Oh, wait, you get two of them.

[A]

You gotta pick two. Coffee, alcohol, tea and weed. Well, I would keep coffee and weed.

[B]

I would keep coffee and tea, actually, because I don't. Yeah, I did dry January and it was great. Slept so well.

[A]

Ilovevagom says what are some OEM build options that greatly improve the vehicle's performance and any that are gimmicky and don't enhance performance.

[B]

I mean, if you can get. If adaptive ride is an option on something that completely changes the nature of the car.

[A]

Sure. I mean, something like the Z51 package on a Corvette.

[B]

Essential.

[A]

OEM built. I mean, so like in a Mustang, the short. The closer axle ratio, like if the standard is the. Whatever it is, 323 or something, and then you can get the 355 or the 373. That will produce a noticeable difference.

[B]

Difference.

[A]

Lightweight wheels noticeably. If they are actual lightweight wheels.

[B]

And in some cars, like on the Miatas, when you get the club Sport, you get the better brakes, I think, and slightly better suspension and the seats like that. You get all of that in that package and that can help everything.

[A]

Anything that's gimmicky and doesn't enhance performance.

[B]

Wings a lot of the time. Sure. I mean, aero bits when they go. So like the stat of it has this much downforce at top speed. Okay, it does technically, that's true. But they do that. They use that just tell you like to give you a bigger number of downforce. But it's at a speed you'll never obtain.

[A]

Performance options that don't add performance. I mean just wheels of different design, you know, but that aren't any lighter and don't come with better tires, I guess.

[B]

True. And there's a lot of cars where they'll sell like the Sport Edition and then it has the same engine as the base one and has other things, but it's not really that much faster.

[A]

I mean, I would say, look, if someone is honest and they get a GT3 or something and they know they're not taking it to the track and they get Cup 2 tires, they're going to have an actual worse experience than if they just got regular tires.

[B]

Good point.

[A]

Yeah. My Spider as a road car is actually better on PS4s. Is like right now I'm actually driving a GT3 RS on PSS5s just to see how that car if it's. If it's a better road car on. On regular tires and kind of is. Let's see. Anyway, keep going. Oh, man.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Jeremy Clarkson spoke in class today. That's a fabulous Username. My silly punk band just licensed a song for a Nike commercial. Sweet. How do you celebrate victories without becoming complicit? What is becoming complicit? You mean like you're a punk band that sold a song to a corporation?

[B]

That means involved with others in illegal activity or wrongdoing. So maybe they just mean.

[A]

Wait, what?

[B]

That's what complicit means.

[A]

Well, I know what the word complicit means, but like, becoming complicit in what?

[B]

Right.

[A]

I think you mean how do you rage against the machine without taking the machine's money?

[B]

That is a good question.

[A]

Sometimes. I mean, look, if you license a song to a corporation to use for a commercial, but they don't like change the song. And it's not for. It's Nike. It's not for like, you know, it's not like Ice fucking using it for one of their fucking. What they call. It's not actually a meme. It's just a really mean video. But yeah, I don't know. I think you gotta pay the bills, man.

[B]

Yeah. I don't think. Think. I think there's. You're not selling out. Like, you're getting paid for the art you made. And if that allows you to keep making art in the way that you want to, you have to find that balance. But yeah, I think it depends on who's using it and for what end. So there's a lot of. During the campaigns and other stuff where like a song was taken and used for a political campaign that the artist did not align with and they would send them a cease and desist letter and say, do not use my song for your walkout stage. Shit, you can't do that.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I think unless you're incredibly ideologically opposed to Nike specifically, I think you could still play punk music and license your song to them for a commercial. I think that's okay. Yeah. It becomes. When you. If you catch yourself writing music and going, I think this would be good for commercials, that's maybe where you draw the line. Keep doing the art and then maybe commercial will come to you.

[B]

I guess it just depends on which company approaches you and if you're okay with their business practice.

[A]

Yeah. Grr. Corolla. Okay. I currently lease a Corolla and I'm thinking about buying it. My wife and I are hoping to have children soon and love camping and outdoor activities. My concern with the Corolla is its size and ground clearance. We do light off roading to campsites and getting to ski resorts in the snow. I've seen used Cayennes go for about the same price as I would buy out the Corolla. Around 35 grand for a good example that supposedly needs nothing and has a warranty. Do I buy the Corolla and a set of entry level rally style coilovers for a moderate lift and a wheel and tire pack. That sounds fun. Or do I buy a Cayenne and put. Can you scroll down to make sure I'm. Do I return the Corolla and purchase an older Cayenne or something else that comes to mind in that price range that doesn't need modifications?

[B]

I mean that's an interesting math question because what's the cost of the coilovers in the wheel and tire package versus using that money and saving it for repairs on the Cayenne. Of course, the Cayenne repairs could easily eclipse what you could spend on rally suspension.

[A]

True.

[B]

So that could go really bad.

[A]

But you could also, if you could buy a used Cayenne with a fucking extended warranty. Extended warranty. And if it doesn't need to modify it, you got couple years unlimited miles. No worries. Yeah, I would probably. Unless you like love this Corolla so much. You know, buying out a lease only really makes sense if you're going to keep this thing for a really long time.

[B]

And I think you're building a contraption to do this task. But is this contraption going to be optimal for that thing? Like how is it going to, I don't know, change its handling on the road and handling on the highway and miles per gallon, like, and reliability and the angle of the half shafts and all that stuff. Stuff like you're kind of going down and you're making an experiment. Whereas the Cayenne is like made to do exactly what you are trying to do with a vehicle. So my excitement for the Corolla, I'm like that's a cool project idea, but I think the smart money would be by the Cayenne.

[A]

Right. I think you could probably do the Corolla plan and it would probably be fine, but I think you might have have a better experience just having a stock car with a warranty to do those types of activities.

[B]

Plus I mean you're. Well, your kids will be small for a while. So like the back seat of the Corolla is fine, but it's pretty tight.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Has way more space.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that might come.

[A]

It is a small back seat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Anymore.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

All right, Habibi, come back. Welcome back. I just bought my first automatic car. I like It. It's an Alexis is 500. I'm self conscious that my 20 plus years of shifting technique will be lost. Can you heal and tow quickly after long periods away from a stick? I'm considering a Thrasher track rat to go back to a manual, but I'm tight on space. I will say that you do have to keep an eye up.

[B]

I think you'll get rusty.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it will come back very quickly.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it will. You're right. I think you'd have. You'd have a bit of a transitional.

[B]

Period, but it could be like an hour or like two depending on the car. I think it's really quick.

[A]

But getting, getting a track, getting a manual car for fun. Sounds fun.

[B]

Very true. Yeah. If you can do it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But if they're tight on. If you're. If you're really only getting it because you're worried about losing the skill, don't. It's like riding a bike. But if you just are looking for a way for us to justify you getting a track car, we can help with that.

[A]

Yeah. All right. I am going to. I have to pee really bad. I'm gonna say one more and then we will.

[B]

These are the last.

[A]

Oh, they are ones. Okay. All right, let's say gated manual trans, 15-20k weekend car. Must have manual and fit 2 adults and 2 small children. Prefer. I mean prefer V8, but other options are good that make good sounds generally reliable and live in Louisiana. I'm looking for an 04 to 07 CTS V&GTO. What else should I be considering?

[B]

Mustang GT?

[A]

I mean. Yeah, nothing. You've done such a great job of defining what you want.

[B]

This is a great way to ask.

[A]

This is a great way to ask because you lead yourself to the answer. There's only like four possible options here. Mustangs, Camaros, and those cars that derive from them. That's really it. It's like, what fucking year? What fucking body? What do you want? There you go. 2012 Mustang GT Premium Coupe. Six speed, manual, supercharged. Fifteen grand.

[B]

I mean, look. So we're on cars and bids and there are 2018 Mustang coupe, white, manual, unmodified with performance package. $19,000.

[A]

Yeah, there you go. There you go.

[B]

This stuff. You'll have the pick of the litter when it comes to these things. So you can kind of choose Chevy or Camaro or. Sorry.

[A]

Look at that. 95 Mustang GT convertible. Mario Andretti, 12,000 miles, supercharged. A no sale at 12 GS. Pull that fucking thing up, Matt. Dude, that looks like it's modified like my Spider. It's got the side scoops like my Spider. It's got hres. Dude, those are hre wheels.

[B]

Is it really? Those spiders are too small.

[A]

That is the same year and colored car of my. My car in high school. It's the same year.

[B]

Did yours have the signature on the side?

[A]

No, but those are hre wheels and the same kind of sides. How did I not see this?

[B]

We gotta see.

[A]

Oh, I'd have thrown 13 G's in for this.

[B]

This red shifter. Red shifter.

[A]

That's not bad. 12,000 miles. This would have been a hell of a car.

[B]

It's supercharged too.

[A]

Damn, I wish I saw that.

[B]

It's a no sale, right?

[A]

I know it's a no sale.

[B]

So DM them.

[A]

I probably could. Salina, Kansas, huh?

[B]

Oh, what a road trip.

[A]

Dude. That's kind of hilarious, actually. I can't believe that's on there. Yeah, that's what you want. All right, Mechum, you come. We all come. Love that. Wants to ask about the Hearst writers strike. Strike. When Zach was sorting the questions for the show this morning, he said, hey, Matt, what's up with the Hearst writers strike? To which I DMed or messaged my editor and I was like, hey, are we on strike? To which no response. I have. I don't know. Anything? Nothing. Apparently some writers did a half day walkout yesterday.

[B]

Would responding be breaking the strike?

[A]

I don't think so. I don't know. No idea. But the strike occurred at the Hearst. It was like a walkout that happened at Hearst Tower. And I don't think any road and track employees actually work at Hearst Tower. Oh, some might.

[B]

No, they.

[A]

A couple do.

[B]

No.

[A]

You know who might? Some like art department people might, I think, but not like editorial. No one editorial who writes, I don't think works in Hearst Tower at all. Anyway, point being, I learned about it after you person who asked the question. I don't know. Shit. I'm sorry.

[B]

Yeah, they did a half day walkout after a month of negotiations with management. Failed to reach a deal.

[A]

Sure. Well, in case you're wondering, I'm on the side of the writers. I'm not a union member, but I'm on the side of the writers always. Because I'm actually not even employee. I'm an independent company contractor. So that's our show, people. Thanks for having us. In your cars, in your ears.

[B]

Talking mad, providing advice.

[A]

Extremely valuable advice. Cayenne hybrid.

[B]

We'll have to do some homework. Everyone in the. In the comments or in the chat was like, you want more towing capacity and also pay attention to the braking capacity when towing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's the pull and then there's like, how well, can you stop this thing?

[A]

Yeah, sure. Yeah. Fortunately, Porsche has multiple brake sizes for different cars.

[B]

PCCBs?

[A]

No, they're the other ones. They have the PCSBS, the white caliper. That's the other one. But I think Cayennes have. Not just Cayennes have regen too. So they have a serious amount of. Not just caliper, but of regenerative braking capacity. I don't know what we do. We get a press car and we try it.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I mean, we try before we buy. I learned that fucking lesson. No more Focus RS mistakes for me. We try before we buy. Always. Thanks, everybody. See you next time. Bye.