ENCORE Navigating AI, Last Meeting Theory & Gentle Parenting Debate

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Southern Tea – "ENCORE Navigating AI, Last Meeting Theory & Gentle Parenting Debate"

Host: Lindsie Chrisley
Co-Host: Kristen Cavallari
Date: December 24, 2025
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Overview

This episode of The Southern Tea sees Lindsie Chrisley joined by Kristen Cavallari to dive deeply and candidly into a range of highly relevant parenting, tech, and societal issues. They discuss navigating new dangers posed by AI for child safety, reflect on the psychological “last meeting theory” about relationships, and engage in a spirited debate over the misconceptions and merits of gentle parenting. Their signature humorous, honest, and sometimes Southern-rooted banter engages both as moms (and Kristen as a non-mom with strong views on family and safety), weaving personal anecdotes with reflections on how the world is rapidly evolving.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Work-from-Home Routines & Walking Goals

• Timestamps: 02:03–06:40

  • Lindsie and Kristen share their work-from-home habits, discussing the pros and cons of working from the bed versus the living room.

  • Both discuss their aspirations to work more physical activity and dog-walking into their routines.

  • Notably, Kristen jokes about how impractical it would be to walk all six of her dogs at once.

  • Memorable moment: The digression into "fart walks"—the digestive effects and humor in household gassiness, especially as observed in their families.

    "There is nothing worse than a boy ripping ass around you... this is not a girly fart. Like, this is like straight ass ripping." – Lindsie Chrisley [07:11]

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2. AI, Digital Privacy, and Child Safety

• Timestamps: 09:13–26:53

  • Lindsie brings up a video from child privacy advocate Hagan, detailing horrifying risks facing children’s images online in the age of AI, including synthetic child abuse imagery.

  • Statistics shared: 33 million illicit images transferred/downloaded in the US last year, but only ~300 prosecutions.

  • Kristen notes how common advice like hiding children's faces with emojis is rooted in real risks, not paranoia.

  • The hosts discuss the evolution from MySpace/AIM drama to the much more powerful and dangerous possibilities now—Snapchat, TikTok, gaming platforms like Roblox, and unsupervised internet use.

  • Parenting challenge: The hypocrisy and difficulty in balancing their own social posting of their children with restricting their children’s independent social media use.

  • Both agree education, not just restriction, is crucial—recognizing that “strict parents create sneaky children.”

  • Anecdote: Cases of predators targeting children via direct message features on gaming platforms.

    "Strict parents create sneaky children. I do believe that wholeheartedly..." – Lindsie Chrisley [23:13]

    "I almost feel like it's more about education and less about, I don't even want to say less about prevention. I think it's just a lot about education, in my opinion." – Kristen Cavallari [21:00]

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3. True Crime Break – The Gary Michael Hilton Serial Killer Case

• Timestamps: 28:23–35:49

  • Lindsie reviews an interview with Gary Michael Hilton (“The National Forest Serial Killer”) and his chilling confession to multiple murders.

  • Discussion of Hilton’s lack of remorse, his repeated legal appeals, and the curious psychology of high-profile killers.

  • Kristen notes the interviewer described Hilton as “the most prolific...perhaps the most maniac,” highlighting his total lack of empathy.

    "He is the most prolific of the murders we've covered, and perhaps the most maniac. And...what shocked him the most was his void of empathy." – Lindsie Chrisley [35:49]

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4. Last Meeting Theory – When Relationships Truly End

• Timestamps: 36:04–43:27

  • Kristin introduces the “Last Meeting Theory”—the idea that some relationships end with a final meeting, after which two people never cross paths again.

  • Both share vivid personal examples: Kristen with estranged family members and an ex; Lindsie in co-parenting, questioning whether the theory can apply when there are children tying two people together.

  • Consensus: This mysterious finality does seem to occur, but exceptions exist when enduring ties remain (ex: co-parenting).

    "I have wholeheartedly experienced it. Not just once, not just twice, but multiple times..." – Kristen Cavallari [36:26]

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5. Gentle Parenting Debate: Is It “Raising Rude Adults”?

• Timestamps: 44:20–59:52

  • Lindsie reads a quote from Pastor Scott Anderson criticizing gentle parenting, saying it produces “mean, rude adults...no empathy.”

  • Both hosts argue he is actually mischaracterizing permissive parenting, not true gentle parenting.

  • Lindsie helpfully distinguishes her own approach as prioritizing natural consequences and empathy, but not to the exclusion of boundaries or parental authority.

  • They reflect on the generational gap—how strict, even dictatorial, parenting styles are more common in Baptist and Christian circles.

  • A nuanced discussion follows about varying household dynamics and the long-term consequences of making only one parent the disciplinarian.

    "The definition of gentle parenting emphasizes building a strong, respectful and empathetic relationship with children, focusing on guidance and understanding over punishment or rewards." – Lindsie Chrisley [51:13]

    "I have one of the most empathetic children out there..." – Lindsie Chrisley [56:11]

    "I think...it's really zoning in and knowing your child." – Lindsie Chrisley [59:52]

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6. AI in Schools: Threat or Essential Tool?

• Timestamps: 59:57–69:51

  • Lindsie shares a viral TikTok questioning whether schools are needed at all, now that AI can “do anything.”

  • Both recognize much of what kids learn socially (both good and bad) happens in school, not at home—to shelter or not to shelter is a recurring struggle.

  • They agree that banning AI is unrealistic; instead, children need to be taught how to use it responsibly as it will dominate future workplaces.

  • Both suggest blending critical thinking with technological literacy.

    "We're putting our kids at a disadvantage if they're not taught how to properly use [AI], because it's not going away." – Julie Chrisley [68:05]

    "The people that are going to get jobs are the people who have learned and knows how to use AI properly." – Kristen Cavallari [68:38]

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7. Weekly Tea: Shocking True Crime Story from Brazil

• Timestamps: 69:54–74:53

  • Lindsie shares a gruesome true-crime headline: a Brazilian woman murdered her husband, then cooked his genitals in a stew after catching him watching porn.

  • The hosts react with a mix of horror and gallows humor, debating the motive and logistics.

  • They riff on the absurdity, cultural taboos, and the psychology behind extreme acts of vengeance.

    "I'm literally out here being like, yeah, the slicing of it, biting of it, cool... but like, why are we eating it? You're like, I wouldn't even kick someone there. We are not aligned." – Kristen Cavallari [71:34]

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8. Devotional & Closing Thoughts

• Timestamps: 74:55–75:24
  • Lindsie ends with a devotional thought:

    "Pray before every decision... God is in all the details of your life. Proverbs 3:6"

  • They wrap with gratitude for listeners and reminders to subscribe and join their Facebook group for episode links and ongoing discussion.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Parenting Today:

  “Strict parents create sneaky children. I do believe that wholeheartedly.”
  – Lindsie Chrisley [23:13]

  “I have one of the most empathetic children out there. He hates to see other people in pain. So when this pastor's out here saying gentle parenting is raising mean, rude adults and teenagers, I don't agree with that.”
  – Lindsie Chrisley [56:11]

  “It's really zoning in and knowing your child.”
  – Lindsie Chrisley [59:52]

• On Technology and Safety:

  “We're putting our kids at a disadvantage if they're not taught how to properly use AI, because it's not going away.”
  – Julie Chrisley [68:05]

  “They can do it to anybody. It doesn't matter what age. ... I think it's more about education ... in my opinion.”
  – Kristen Cavallari [21:00]

• On Absurd & Dark Humor:

  “I'm literally out here being like, yeah, like the slicing of it, biting of it, cool. But like, why are we eating it?”
  – Kristen Cavallari [71:34]

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Episode Flow & Tone

• Conversational, candid, and rooted in personal anecdotes.
• Mix of humor (sometimes dark), honest vulnerability, and unfiltered opinions.
• The tone is both light (in banter) and serious (on topics like child safety and parenting philosophy).

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Recommended Listening Timestamps

• AI & Child Safety: 09:13–26:53
• Serial Killer Case: 28:23–35:49
• Last Meeting Theory: 36:04–43:27
• Gentle Parenting Debate: 44:20–59:52
• AI in Schools: 59:57–69:51
• Weekly Tea (Bizarre True Crime): 69:54–74:53

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For further exploration or discussion, listeners are encouraged to join the show's Facebook group for referenced videos and to participate in extended conversations mentioned by the hosts.

Transcript

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[Lindsey Chrisley]

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[Lindsey Chrisley]

Get Christmas cards and all of these people write their children's accomplishments on the back. I don't love them. A southern girl and a boy mom who's trying to navigate life while staying.

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[Lindsey Chrisley]

Here's Lindsay. Good morning and welcome back to another episode of the Southern Tea. It's morning for y' all but evening for us. Hi Kristen.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Hello Lindsey Chrisley.

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[Julie Chrisley]

We are good.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

You know, got up, went to school this morning. Only four more drop offs until we are officially in summer and I cannot freaking wait. And I've kind of taken a personal day and worked for my laptop from my bed.

[Kristen Cavallari]

You know what? I love that for you. I think that sometimes those are truly the best days. I like to pre schedule myself some admin days. They don't always stay admin days but I try and I love it. I love working in like the peace and quiet and just, you know, being extremely productive.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

You know, I used to try not to involve my bedroom and work. Remember like back when I was in that era?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yes. And I, I loved that though. I felt like that was a good thing.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

But now that I have my TV in my room and I watch so many documentaries, it's just like nice to be in a comfy place in PJs and also be getting things done. At the same time.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I feel like I'm trying to think if I rarely. You know what though? My. I try to keep it out of my bedroom. I will say that I try to keep it out of my bedroom. I do work from the living room on like a portable like raising desk thing. But I do, I do do that like when I don't have any meetings or have to be on any recordings or anything like that. I do like to work from my sofa in the living room.

[Julie Chrisley]

I truly wonder how many people that.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Are like work from home people have the standing desks situation. I've always wondered about that and I just think that would be an absolute flop for me.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Listen, I do not blame you. I feel like you got to do what you got to do. But like I did the raising lowering desk thing not to do the walking pad that people were talking about, but literally specifically to work for my sofa.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Nc I could get behind a raised desk with a walking pad.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I would get motion sickness. Like I would active. Yes. Like I. Treadmills are really hard for me to be on because it triggers my vertigo so badly from the motion. Um, so treadmills are really difficult for me. Stair climbers, I can do. The treadmill experience is not for me.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Well, speaking of walking, I have committed to myself over the summer that I'm at least going to walk two miles a day Monday through Friday.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I love that. See, I need to start walking. My mom and her friend are walking tonight before dinner and I'm like, you know what? I need to try to do that.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Like jealous, right?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yes. I'm like. And I also just need to do it with my dogs because right now they're kind of penned up in the side yard. When they go outside, they don't have all the room to run that they're. You typically would because of the sod and it's establishing and all those things. And they're, they're. They would appreciate a walk.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I see people walking like so early in the morning and I'm going to do school drop off and I'm like, that is gonna be a season of life for me eventually at some point. It's just not this season. So it's gonna probably have to be evening walks. And I'm okay with it. Used to, I used to be like, if it doesn't happen by Five. Like, nothing's happening, but I could get behind like a 6pm 2 mile walk.

[Kristen Cavallari]

You know, I. I wonder. I bet you if I did it with my dogs, I wouldn't even pay attention to the fact that it was two miles.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

You actually don't. I feel like you walk so far and don't even realize how far you've walked because you're doing something with something.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I feel like that makes sense. But I'm trying to figure out, like, how I would do this because I have six dogs, so I'm like, oh, I could go too small at a time. So that would be like, do a mile combat. Like, do, like, basically figure out what a mile is for my house and like, change out dogs and then do it again for like another set of too small. And then I can only do. Yeah, I was gonna say, otherwise I would end up walking like six miles, which I'm not saying is bad for me, but, like, there's no way.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Could you imagine, like, trying to walk.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Six dogs at one time?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah, no. Like, I see dog walkers that look like they're professional people that are, like, doing it for people, and they'll have the leashes that like, go around their waist with multiple attachments coming off of it for the various different dogs that they have. And while that's great for them, I don't think that would be something that I could do. Um, Will and I used to walk every single night before dinner. And I swear that I feel like it helps with your digestion. I just. I feel like it does.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Do you remember on coffee combos when you guys started discovering and talking about fart walks? Fart walks you. That was a long time ago, but a listener had wrote in talking about how they walk after dinner, it's a fart walk and all they do is like, rip ass while walking.

[Julie Chrisley]

What?

[Kristen Cavallari]

They were saying it was great for their digestive system.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Why do I not remember this?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I don't know. It's a long time ago, but I never, ever forgot it.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Wow.

[Julie Chrisley]

You know, I mean, I could test that theory too.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

But, you know, Jackson's at that age right now where farts are funny and is constantly ripping ass. And when I tell you there is nothing worse than a boy ripping ass around you with the smells that come out, like, this is not a girly fart. Like, this is like straight ass ripping. And actually yesterday we had Jackson's fifth grade graduation party. He had such a good time. We hosted at Will's house and did a whole, like, taco bar situation. The boys had so much fun. But the amount of farts that I heard going on, including the leg lift fart, that happened to me from my ex husband.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh my God.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

And I'm like, no. You see, like when we divorced, that luxury of you lifting your leg and crop dusting me as you walk past is no longer a luxury.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It can't take the boy out of the man.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

You know, I. I've never liked. Let me take that back. When I was growing up, I think it was probably around the time of Jackson's age that boys would like fart in school. And I think it's kind of like around the same time that you start getting crushes on boys. So it was like funny then. But having a child that crawls into your clean sheets on your bed and just straight rips ass, that's just like a different scenario that I'm not behind.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, no, I mean, Corey was in the hospital with me the whole time I was there, thankfully. And the way that he was ripping them in the middle of the night when I was getting woken up for vitals, and I was like, I'm so sorry, wasn't even mine while someone else was in there. Yes, he was dead asleep ripping them. And I'm like, no, come on.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

It really should be against the law to like do that to somebody.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Freaking felony.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Whatever the greatest felony is, that's what it is. Speaking of felonies, I saw this video and it has me literally in shackles and don't know how to navigate my emotions through it. So it's a person named Hagan and he is a child privacy advocate. And I quoted the video, he said, I was just telling parents, you have no clue how bad it is. An image of your child on the Internet that you're trying to show people on social media they can take their face of your child and make a porn video with your child animated through artificial intelligence. Everything looks so real and you cannot tell a difference. They can also insert themselves into this porn film. There were over 33 million images transferred or downloaded last year. And our Justice Department in the United States had just over 300 cases that were prosecuted. And this guy was saying there could.

[Julie Chrisley]

They could be getting a lot more pedophiles. The problem is it's so much bigger.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Than what people actually know. And then a statistic he shared is the United States States is the largest consumer of underage pornography. And he said people laugh when certain people hide babies faces or kids faces with like an emoji or something on social media. But it's not about parents being paranoid in those situations.

[Julie Chrisley]

It's purely out of protection.

[Kristen Cavallari]

That is absolutely disturbing to say the least. I. The sad part is I wholeheartedly believe it. I A lot of things about underage and like CSAM or. Yeah, I think it's like C SAM material comes up on my for you page a lot about like all the things that are going on and I just don't feel like it's something that's talked about enough. I don't think it's something that parents are educated on enough. I think that there are so many people that see people hiding their kids faces with emojis or something and they.

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[Kristen Cavallari]

And they don't actually look further into why, you know, that might be beneficial and why you don't want to share, you know, your, your child on the Internet there. It's not like it was when Facebook first came around.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Well, I was thinking about back when social media started and didn't it start with. I guess really the first social media that I can think of would be MySpace.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I don't remember what came first. Was it MySpace or was it Zynga?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Oh, I didn't even know about Xango. What's that?

[Kristen Cavallari]

It's like X, A, N G A. I don't remember which one came before the other.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I never had one of those. But MySpace is what comes to my mind the most. Pretty sure I got a MySpace when I was in middle school. Does that sound right?

[Kristen Cavallari]

MySpace in middle school for you? Yeah, yeah.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

And the pictures it would be, you know, that was back in the age of digital cameras. And so we would take photos and upload them onto. At that time, I don't remember anybody ever having a laptop. I don't think my parents did. We just had desktops in the house and would load those to the desktop. I also think that was like around the, the age of like LimeWire.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh God, yeah.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

All of our parents, computers with 100% and never thought twice about uploading pictures of other people that were on our digital camera. Like include, you know, like pictures of them with us.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. I mean, I'm thinking back to MySpace. MySpace did nothing besides get me in trouble.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

You got in trouble from MySpace?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, because you know, I just was trying to be cool and I remember taking photos of myself fake drinking a beer in my basement.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Oh, you were just trying to be like. What do they call those people? Like scene.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. So I was like fake drinking the beer in the basement. Took some pictures of that. Then we were at a. I was at a sleepover at my friend's house and like, they were drinking. I was not. And the pictures were taken of that night and uploaded to MySpace and also Facebook. And I had a former friend who at the time definitely had good. And you know what? Let me not say what their intentions were because I really don't know. Thought it was a good idea. Thought that I was going down the wrong path and decided to print the photos out and give them to my parents and put them in my mailbox.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Oh, wow.

[Kristen Cavallari]

And the way that my dad almost sent myself to a troubled teen boarding school in Kentucky, and I was like, I didn't have. I literally. My defense was, look at the picture. The cap still on. Yeah.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I'm sure the question was asked, why would you do that? Like, do you think you're cool?

[Kristen Cavallari]

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[Lindsey Chrisley]

So now I think about, you know, our parents with us growing up, they had to com like combat MySpace and AIM.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh God, yeah. You know what's so funny? You and Kale say aim. I call it aim.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Oh, aim.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I mean, either way. So they had that to deal with and I feel like that's enough. I feel like MySpace actually was nothing but drama because people's top eight best.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Friends changed friend groups.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Oh yeah. Like if someone was mad at someone, they immediately got removed. And that was what we did on MySpace. We went looked at other people's profiles to see who was their top eight. Really? It's like the first form of bullying that like I can think of.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, that's, that's pretty valid. I would agree.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Now with the kids that we're raising today, we have to worry about texting with cell phones, with FaceTime, we have to worry about Snapchat, Snapchat, tick tock. I mean, I'm sure there's other websites that are like out there. Kids are on. I just don't know of them. And at what point as a parent and it's, it's a hard and a fine line for me to have to walk because I post pictures of Jackson.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Right.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

And when I was watching this video, I said, wow. Like now it all makes sense as to why Kristen Cavallari for so long put emojis over her kids faces. Or all of the photos that she had of her kids on social media were of their back.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Right?

[Julie Chrisley]

Right.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

And I thought it was so weird like all along the way that she did that. And I'm like, well, what's the point of even the photo? But now I get it, right?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Because there's just like so many other things that you're looking out for. I will say that they have come a long way with, you know, if you want to share photos with family, they have a ton of apps where you can like have like a shared photo album and be able to see like because we're in one for my nephew. Because not many pictures of him are shared online. And I definitely thought that that was a great move from, by my sister in law because that shit is scary. Especially with the rise of AI. AI can do literally anything, can manipulate anything to look like anything and it's, that's very terrifying.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Well, remember like way back when I had that girl on the podcast and it was like talking about taking pornhub down and how much underage porn was on that website?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yes.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

And I'm just like, with technology as far advanced as it is at this now time, how does that happen?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I mean, I'm not going to get into my personal beliefs, but it is a deeply rooted, connected issue in, at the highest points of powerful people in, in my research and opinion.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Are we going like down the rabbit hole of like Epstein Island?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I mean, yeah, we're in the middle of the Diddy scandal. We're in the middle of the Diddy uncovering.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

You know, I've actually been tracking and following some of that trial and some of the stuff that has come out thus far is truly so alarming at all levels and it truly makes me terrified for our youth.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

But as I was saying, walking the fine line, how do I tell my child, okay, well, you can't have an Instagram or you can't have a Snapchat, but I post videos with him online because he loves making them with me.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I think maybe, and this is coming from a non parent.

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[Kristen Cavallari]

I think maybe in your specific situation and at Jackson's age, maybe it's just opening up a larger conversation where it's like, okay, I share these things because you like doing them on, on my profile. You know, I've been doing that since you were X years old. This was not a thing then or it wasn't known about. We'll say the advances of AI are, you know, can make anything look like anything. And I want to protect you from that as much as possible. I think that there's definitely ways that he could because I, I almost feel like it's, it's. This sucks, but they can do it to anybody. It doesn't matter what age. So even at 16, if he chose to get an Instagram and that's something that you wanted him to do, or 18. Right. Like they could manipulate that into whatever they want to manipulate it into at that point. So I almost feel like it's more about education and less about, I don't even want to say less about prevention. I think it's just a lot about education in my opinion.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I think that social media is so great for so many reasons, but it is misused so much for so many reasons also. And that's terrifying even as a 35 year old grown woman. So thinking about my child at 12 years old and the kids that he's around, the parents are allowing, you know, these late night face times and you know, the Instagrams and the Tick Tocks and the Snapchats, like all the things, they're always connected with each other. And so Will and I just recently had a conversation about what does summer look like for us with him because I do agree with you that a lot of it is the education that is behind it and preparing your child not to, you know, make them fear, but at the same time, like, is it instilling some level of fear with knowledge?

[Kristen Cavallari]

You know, I think that it depends on how each child would interpret it. Right. Like it could make them afraid. And I personally feel like a little bit of fear is a good thing.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Here's the other problem, because so many of the kids and his feet friend group have access to all of this stuff. You and I have talked about growing up in very strict households. Yes, strict parents create sneaky children. I do believe that wholeheartedly. And I believe that a lot of kids that grow up in a strict household, they figure out how to do whatever it is that they want to do without your knowledge. I would rather have the knowledge that my child was doing it with a level of education for prevention than my child feeling like they're so strapped that they're not allowed to do anything, so they sneak and get themselves in a worse situation. I was just reading earlier today about this man who kidnapped this little 7 year old girl off of Roblox through the direct messaging feature.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, well, that's another whole avenue, right? Like I was never, and it wasn't hugely popular when I was younger, but I was never really like a gaming kid. My dad and my brother were into like gaming together, but not the online like situation. It was like, cool. You get this game, you go home, you play it by yourself. Not like having the headset and connecting with people online. But I know people that have had several instances where, you know, kids have almost gotten kidnapped or convinced to send images of themselves doing things that they should not be doing to people that they're meeting through those things. It's kind of like when we used to go into the chat rooms on aim.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I was just about to say that.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, it's kind of like that and it's just I think more aggressive and they can truly, they can get to you anywhere.

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[Kristen Cavallari]

If kids have phones, they can get you there. They have, you know, online gaming, they can get to their computers, they can get to there. It's just, it's. There's so much more for parents to have to monitor these days. And really it's a lot like I feel bad and I also think that there are a lot of parents who kind of turn a blind eye to it and it's just not something that they think about and that's scary.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Well, Will and I decided just a couple of days ago that our summer kind of looks like he's going to spend one week with my mom and my grandparents. He's going to spend one week with Will's parents. He's going to do a couple of summer golf camps and basketball camps. And we just told him, hey, like sitting on technology all day with your brain rotting and people having access to you 247 is just not something that we're going to do. We're not going to completely restrict the technology, but there is going to be restriction on the technology because when I tell you when these kids are on devices, they are constantly in connection with people that one, they know and two, because of the direct messaging features, even through PlayStation, people can be talking to them that they don't even know.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yep.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

And you have this whole like, and I'm not trying to talk negatively about anybody but like grown ass men on these PlayStation games like playing Fortnite and Call of Duty and like all of these other games with children. To me that's terrifying.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, well, especially when it's just like unmonitored. You know, this time of year can be so tough.

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[Kristen Cavallari]

Nope, I know nothing. Please fill me in.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Okay, so I had originally seen this pop up on an interview that he did, an exclusive interview with Court TV's David Scott. And basically in this interview, it was a confession of the 2007 dismemberment and murder of this nurse in Florida.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

And it was really interesting to me that number one, this guy got this type of interview with him. But number two, an appeal had been filed in his case and he said still chose to do the interview pending appeal status.

[Kristen Cavallari]

That's intriguing. And who, who like he. I'm assuming he's the one who filed the appeal.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yes.

[Kristen Cavallari]

And is he trying to say he's not guilty?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

No, he admitted to doing it.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So what the hell is he appealing?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

You know, I don't know. I think a lot of people just use the system to their advantage to use it for whatever they want to use it for. Could be technicality. Like, I'm not really sure. But in the interview that I saw, it was just like a clip of the interview and the guy, the interviewer was saying, it's just really interesting to me that you are pending appeal status and you're like willing to confess this murder that you're serving your time for. And he just said like, after 17 years it was time to break his silence.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I'm looking this up right now because I want to know, like what he's trying to do with the appeal.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

So it says he was known as the National Forest serial killer and used his skills as a survivalist and U.S. army vet to hunt for Victims in the national Forest in North Carolina, Georgia and Florida.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Florida.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

He's on death row for the 2007 murder of Nurse Cheryl Hodges Dunlap and Leon County, Florida. He's also serving four life sentences for the 2012 kidnapping and murder of these two people and another life sentence for the 2008 murder of another woman in northern Georgia. He's a convicted predator, and in this interview, he is confessing to killing the Bryants and Emerson, but had never confessed to Dunlop's murder.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Okay, I see he is. He was trying to do. He was going through the appeals process to appeal the death sentence. That's what it was.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

But, like, how do you appeal?

[Kristen Cavallari]

It looks like. It looks like he was trying to say that he had, like, basically, in layman's terms, a shitty attorney and a shitty legal team. And then they also did an appeal. So he lost a 2018 appeal, it looks like. So he's been doing this. So says. Gary Hilton unsuccessfully appealed his death sentence in 2018, arguing that his defense team was dysfunctional and ineffective. Both state and federal authorities denied his appeal. He was convicted of the murder of Meredith Emerson. Then I see an article saying that his death sentence was upheld again in August of 2021, which he was requesting to overturn his conviction and death sentence. Attorney argued he was entitled to a new trial and sentencing, claiming ineffective assistance of counsel by his defense team at trial. So I guess he tried it again.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Well, in this, like, little snippet of this interview, he said that he wants to give a new scoop and tells the interviewer, I did it. I'm confessing to a murder on camera, and I'll be glad to tell anybody I did. Also during the episode, he says that he's confessing now to her murder because his health is declining, and that was the one reason he was doing it, because he was going to die soon anyway.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, wow. So he really. There's zero remorse there, which is. Isn't sociopath, right?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Well, he was asked that question, and he said that he doesn't necessarily know if he is a sociopath, but that he has tendencies or characteristics of a sociopath.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Okay, so Southern T podcast is letting him know he is one.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

He. He absolutely is. And I just. I can't imagine, like, hiding out in a national forest and just finding victims. And I don't know, like, I don't know much about this guy, if it was random people or if they had to have certain characteristics for them to become one of his victims.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Like, I don't know, you know, the man man bear thing where it's like, what are you picking, man or the bear? Mm, I'm always picking the bear. Like, I don't give a shit about going into the. Like, the animals in the forest don't scare me. It's people hiding that do. Like, you'll never catch me dead camping, like, anywhere.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Well, in these series of questions that he was asked, he claims that serial killers are a dime a dozen. He asked if he was a psychopath, and he said, no, sociopath. He said, I have part of that in me.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I just want to know, like, did he want notoriety? Like, is that part of it?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

You know, at 78, I couldn't imagine that being part of it. But also at 78 and doing the things that he's done, filing these appeals, never confessing to it. Does he even have any type of.

[Julie Chrisley]

A conscience at all?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Because when I was watching this, it was. The body language was absolutely crazy.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I was gonna say he probably was absolutely soulless.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

And this interviewer says that he has come to face with his share of many killers, but nothing could have prepared him for the likes of Gary Michael Hilton. He said he is the most prolific of the murders we've covered and perhaps the most maniac. And he said that what shocked him the most was his void of empathy.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I got to learn more about this guy because I'm. I'm intrigued now.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah. So it says that the entire interview has already aired. It was a two hour premiere and it was on Court tv. I will make sure through the Facebook group that the link to the entire, like, YouTube video is posted.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, I'm so curious.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Next thing that I need to ask you is if you believe in this theory. I had never heard of it before, so something that I'm just learning about, it's called a last meeting theory. Have you ever heard of this?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I have, and I wholeheartedly believe in it.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Okay, so it says the concept is that when you and another person have completed your story together in this lifetime, you'll have one last meeting. And you may or may not know when that was. And then after that, your paths will never cross again. Why do you believe this?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Because I've experienced it. Like, I have wholeheartedly experienced it. Not just once, not just twice, but multiple times. I. For a variety of reasons, I stopped talking to my dad's mom shortly after he passed away. And when I tell you that I went to places that she frequented, still also went and visited my dad's, you know, mausoleum multiple times, which she also had a key to and was very, very close to like her home base dozens of times. And myself and my mother never, ever, ever crossed paths with her. Never ran into her ever again.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I mean I, I think that that is interesting. But what I have to say about this is that, does that theory actually work if you are cognizant of where these people. Because I'm an avoidant. So does it work for an avoidant? Because I typically, if I go through a breakup with someone, I avoid all the places that we probably would have been at together or the times that I think that that person would possibly be there if I'm going to that place.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I think, I think that if it's, if you're meant to cross paths, you will. Because like I just said, right? Like I'm talking like same restaurants, same grocery stores. I, my grandmother and my grandfather, two different sides of the family, lived two houses apart from each other. And I never ran into her ever again. Same thing with my one ex, it was. Which is also very interesting. The last time we saw each other was right after my dad's funeral and never saw him again. But Corey runs into him all the time.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Okay, so how do we apply this theory to co parenting, specifically co parenting with your ex husband?

[Kristen Cavallari]

You know that one? I don't know if that could apply. And I only say that because you guys have a tie together that would force you to cross paths and have communications. So I don't necessarily know. And people that say like, oh, I.

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[Kristen Cavallari]

No, you have to co parent until you die because you're always going to be invited to the same events, milestones, things like that. Like that's, you know, I, I just don't think that there is a way out of that. I truly don't.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Like, I know these people pretty well grown with children, parents were divorced sometime.

[Julie Chrisley]

Like middle childhood for them. And those parents divorced with new spouses.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Right.

[Julie Chrisley]

They all have family gatherings that they all jointly go to together. And so I completely agree. I know that all families are not like that. That would never have happened in my parents co parenting dynamic. I could see that happening for Will and I, but I just, I don't know. So then if that theory only applies.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

To situations like what you're talking about, is it just like selective situations?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I think, yeah. I mean, I think at the point where you do not have a continuing physical tie, like I genuinely believe it's one of those. And this is just my belief, right. I look at it like this, like you and Will were married, had Jackson, because you were meant to have a physical tie. Right. Like that's how I look at it in your specific situation. Right. So I feel like if you guys were meant to cease seeing each other forever, you probably wouldn't have had Jackson.

[Julie Chrisley]

Well, now that we're talking about this, it's making me think a little bit more.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

You know, one of my exes has.

[Julie Chrisley]

A membership at the car wash that I go to and while I have seen their car parked there, I've never seen them.

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[Kristen Cavallari]

And it's so crazy because I have said this about so many scenarios in my life of people that I have completely cut ties with and like, I will never, that's just how it happens. I will never see them again. There's been one person who has come back into my life for a season after we had already like had a falling out and stopped communicating with, with each other, came into my life for a season and then was gone again and never saw them again.

[Julie Chrisley]

It's just so crazy to really think about.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Right.

[Julie Chrisley]

Because I think about my last relationship. Basically connected at the hip on the 2:2:5 plan with each other and frequented the same places all the time. The last communications that we had were December 31st of this past year. No communication, no run ins whatsoever. But I think that that theory can apply to that situation because we don't have children together.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Mm. Yeah. Because you don't have something physically tying you guys together.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I believe that Will and I will.

[Julie Chrisley]

Still be fully in communication even when Jackson's like grown and gone off to college.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. And I, I, that's why I say like people think that it's until they're 18 and it's like, no, that's, it's for life.

[Julie Chrisley]

Well, I think about all the things.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

That happen after 18. Right.

[Julie Chrisley]

Like there's college for a lot of people. There's college graduation, there's starting careers, weddings, engagements, grandchildren, birthdays still every year. Just because you're divorced does not mean that those events just miraculously go away.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yep.

[Julie Chrisley]

So I just thought that was so interesting. I had never heard of that theory before.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, no, I became very familiar with it because like things that happen to me, I frequently Google. And years ago I was talking to my mom and we both were commenting how interesting it was that we had never run into my dad's mom ever again after the last, like after the last time we saw her, which was actually at my mom's dad's funeral.

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[Kristen Cavallari]

Ever, ever, ever, ever saw her again and thought that that was incredibly interesting. So I was googling things like that. Like, you know, how. What are the chances of that occurring? And that's when I discovered the last meeting theory.

[Julie Chrisley]

There are people I say that are in my life, but, like, not really in my life anymore, that I lose sleep a lot of nights thinking about, okay, well, if there was, like, a funeral for someone, like, I would have to somewhat have in person engagement with those people and wish that was, like, never the case.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, it's. You know, I've. There's been a lot of situations with a certain, like, family member that is still alive on my mom's side. And there's been deaths in that side of the family since then, and I've actually never ran into them. It's either been, they've gone and I haven't for whatever reason, or I've gone and they haven't for whatever reason.

[Julie Chrisley]

That's just so interesting.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Okay, so you know how I love.

[Julie Chrisley]

To read my daily devotional and I have my, like, devotional coloring book and like, all of the things. Yeah, I love Jesus, but this pastor has me a little bit heated.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, okay.

[Julie Chrisley]

So, and I quote, his name's Pastor Scott Anderson, and he says gentle parenting is raising mean, rude adults and teenagers. We are teaching our children that your emotions and feelings are more important than everyone else. What you are going through is more important than even what mom and dad are going through because you won't do what we ask you to do. But now I have to be emotionally there to be able to coddle you in that moment. And what happens then is you are the center of the world and the center of the universe. What happens when they get to grade school? What happens when the kids around them don't want to coddle their emotions? What happens as adults when your boss or even your spouse can't take accountability and control their emotions because everything is about them. You develop kids that have no empathy. So now these kids are rude and mean because they've been taught that they are the most important.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I think that they're. Wow. First of all, wow. I think that there are, and I've seen it with my own eyes, there are different variations of gentle parenting. What I'm gathering from what this pastor is speaking about would be, like, what I would consider, like, lack of parenting. Like, you're like, the child runs you and there's no actual guidance or teaching or anything like that. I would like, like, almost like pacified parenting, where all you're doing is trying to pacify your kid.

[Julie Chrisley]

I have never disagreed with a pastor More on a statement ever, other than.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

The one time that I was sitting in church.

[Julie Chrisley]

I will never forget this sitting in church. And the pastor that was preaching that day made a statement and said that the Ten Commandments are or should be looked at as suggestive.

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[Julie Chrisley]

And that it's great for you to follow these commandments suggestively as basically your moral compass. And I'm like, okay, so now are we going to pick and choose what commandments that we are going to go by? Because are we just suggestively going by thou shall not kill.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I was gonna say, like, so if I decided to wake up today and, you know, it was suggested thou shall not kill, but I'm gonna do it anyway. I'm still golden.

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[Julie Chrisley]

Like, never seen a church separate more than in that moment. Now I'm watching this video of this pastor saying this, and I think he's using the word gentle parenting because he is uneducated on what gentle parenting actually is. And I think he's truly talking about permissive parenting.

[Kristen Cavallari]

That. That. That's what I was going to say. Like, not. What word did I say? Pacified parenting. Yeah. I just. I can't get behind it because I also think that people justify certain behaviors with like, oh, we're trying gentle parenting without actually knowing what, you know, the basis of gentle parenting even is. So I agree with the lack of education there. It's like such a buzzy. I would say a buzzword these days, gentle parenting, that it's used very, very incorrectly very frequently.

[Julie Chrisley]

Well, and I think it's very common in the Christian community that there probably is not a ton of gentle parenting or permissive parenting. Just from my experience, Julie's dad was a Southern Baptist preacher for my whole life. And we were around all different types of churches my whole life, my whole childhood.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

And it was a very common theme within the churches that it was very.

[Julie Chrisley]

Strict style parenting, very dictatorship style parenting. And I just believe that that kind of comes along in the Christian community. And although I align as a Christian, I don't parent my child in the way that I feel that the typical Christian family would parent.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Didn't we decide not that long ago that we think that you would like being a Methodist?

[Julie Chrisley]

Yeah, we did.

[Kristen Cavallari]

That was a very fun conversation between me, you, and my mom.

[Julie Chrisley]

I need to look into what a Methodist actually is before I go out and say anything more on that.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Julie Chrisley]

But I do believe that. That the Baptist faith is pretty rigid.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So, like, for. Because you're Baptist, do you. So do you do communion?

[Julie Chrisley]

No.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Okay. Okay. So that's like a difference for sure.

[Julie Chrisley]

I feel like, because it's what I grew up as, and that's all I ever knew. And the only experience that I have knowing about any other type of religious beliefs was when I had to take religion in college.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Julie Chrisley]

And so I started kind of diving. Diving a little bit deeper then. But I think it's pretty common for a lot of college students at that age to kind of. You grew up going to church, and now you're at school and you feel like you don't have time to go to church.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Julie Chrisley]

I only went to church a handful of times all through college with Will. And it was easy when Will and I met because he also grew up Baptist. So we just believed what we were taught and told. And now I'm kind of at a place in my life that I really need to dive deeper into that because I feel like my belief system is based off of the way I was raised and not the way that I necessarily believe.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So maybe you're going to go on a little religious exploration journey.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yeah. I just want to say that this situation with the general parenting really had me heated, specifically coming from a pastor, because it's so off base. The definition of gentle parenting emphasizes building a strong, respectful and empathetic relationship with children, focusing on guidance and understanding over punishment or rewards. I personally feel that that is how I parent.

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[Kristen Cavallari]

You just had this conversation, and we talked a little bit about it on the bonus episode of Coffee Combos that aired. And I've heard you parent, and you're very much natural consequence, which I think aligns well with the certain aspects of gentle parenting.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

But every situation.

[Julie Chrisley]

I can't use gentle parenting in every situation. Do I feel like I fall under the guidelines of a gentle parenter? Yes. Now, every situation that presents itself does not mean that I necessarily can gentle parent in that specific situation. But typically I do gentle parent. Will is a lot more strict with Jackson, but over the time of him watching how Jackson responds to me, like, if we're in person together and how Jackson responds to him and his parenting style, I get a way better response than Will gets.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Do we feel like it's almost natural for men to be more of, like an authoritative parent slash dictator?

[Julie Chrisley]

I would say it's probably 50, 50. And it's based off of the way that the household is set up, because I think I always was a believer that the dad was the disciplinarian.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Like we would be told when we.

[Julie Chrisley]

Were growing up, wait until your dad gets home.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Same and then something flipped and it was, you're with both parents. So I don't know.

[Julie Chrisley]

And I was very conscious having conversations with Will when I was pregnant with Jackson on just the things that, like, I didn't want to see within our makeup with each other and then also within the makeup of the whole family unit. And I actually was having a conversation with somebody yesterday and this person said, kids are a lot like dogs. Like once they've done something and enough time has passed, you go to punish after enough time has passed and it doesn't hit the same way.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It's so interesting that you said that because my mom has always said to me growing up that, like, pay attention to how your significant other treats animals because that's exactly how they'll treat children. And I never understood what she meant until I started dating and got older. And then I saw people that I dated have kids and I was like, oh, wow, she wasn't lying.

[Julie Chrisley]

No. Like, it's so true. And so conversations that Will and I had before Jackson was born, I said, you know, at that time I was like, season one of Chris Lee Knows Best. Jackson was very young. So I was mostly a stay at home mom outside of whatever the filming obligations might be. But I was solely responsible in that house, like for keeping that house together, where, you know, laundry, the grocery shopping, the child, anything child related, like, I was doing all of that stuff. And I told Will it's not necessarily really fair when Jackson is with me all this amount of time during the day. Right. And then we wait until Will comes home for him to get disciplined. What does that say to the child? They're going to resent that parent or possibly both parents, because number one, they're not going to take me seriously in that situation because they know I'm not going to do anything until dad gets home so they can just run a damn muck.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

And number two, it puts a strain.

[Julie Chrisley]

On the situation with the child and the dad because what they know is discipline from that parent who is spending the least amount of time with the child.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I will say I think that also I think a lot of families fall into what you're describing with the father being the disciplinarian. And I have noticed myself in certain situations that there is a lack of respect that develops from that for women. And that's not something that anybody needs to perpetuate.

[Julie Chrisley]

You know, I mean, I have always disciplined Jackson from the time he was old enough to be disciplined. And I don't even like to use the word discipline because again, I'm not disciplining. I am focusing on trying to understand my child why they would do whatever the behavior is and course correcting the behavior in a way that is respectful as a human to a human and also empathetic. I have one of the most empathetic children out there. He hates to see other people in pain. So when this pastor's out here saying gentle parenting is raising mean, rude adults and teenagers, I don't agree with that.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, I don't. I don't either. I think he's misusing the term for sure.

[Julie Chrisley]

Permissive parenting is a style where parents are warm and nurturing, but make few demands, set few rules, and enforce little discipline. I would say somewhat I permissive parent as well. I don't make a ton of demands, but the demands I make, I know are within the realm of demands that would be appropriate at his age. But I would not necessarily say demand as a word either. Like, I hate the word demand and discipline when it comes to raising children. I'm not demanding anything. I am merely asking you to complete said task. And I do say, like, hey, these are the things that need to be done before we leave this house to go and do something fun. If you want to forego having fun and you don't want to do them, you don't have to do them. And guess what? They get done.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. Which I would say. Would. Would that fall under natural consequence? Because I think it does.

[Julie Chrisley]

I would. I would tend to believe that it falls under natural consequence also. We used to have a big problem with Jackson slow walking when it came to eating. He would just sit and spend all of his time till his food was cold and never been a type of parent where I'm like, you have to clean your plate, but as a mother, I know that you're hungry. So really it's like knowing your child. We started putting him on a 15 minute timer for dinner and he absolutely hated that to like watch it on the microwave. The time ticked down and I would have conversations with him, like, be less worried about the time. And as long as you're diligently eating and focusing on your food, you don't have to worry about the time. Because even if the timer goes off and you're focused on eating your food, I don't care. It's the fact of you wanting to color and get out of your seat and walk around and go and get a toy. No, this is dinner time. And now I have absolutely zero problems. He sits at a table, he eats what he served, he picks his plate up, puts it in the sink, and it's done.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Julie Chrisley]

I just think it's so interesting how many different ways there are to parent.

[Kristen Cavallari]

There really are. And I think it just depends, right? Like, you have to figure out what works best for your specific child. I think that that's like a big thing where people who are, you know, bringing a child into the world or having a child join their family, I think that they think like, oh, this is how I think I'm gonna do this. Whatever, whatever. I think that that's great to like, think about those things, but you also have to learn your child and how they learn best, in my opinion, from like, what I've seen.

[Julie Chrisley]

Well, in all children in one family can come from same mom and dad.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Right. And you can have three different children.

[Julie Chrisley]

In that household, and some of those children might not be able to be gentle parented 1000%. You have to find the parenting style that works for your individual child. And I don't necessarily think that there's really any right or wrong way to parent. I think it's really zoning in and knowing your child.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, I would agree. From an outside perspective, I would absolutely agree.

[Julie Chrisley]

I saw this on TikTok and I want to know what your thoughts are. Again, this references AI and I'm now a firm believer that AI is truly just going to take over the world. So I have a link to the video and I'll make sure that gets posted on the Facebook group for those of you who are in there. But this person says, I think schools are the most dangerous place in America today. Every bad habit I learned was in school. Drugs, alcohol, cheating, skipping, lying. It's all a waste of time. They're not teaching anything that is relevant anymore. The school system telling kids not to use AI. We have this unbelievable technology. Why would it not be used?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, I mean, I can't really argue because I'm sitting here thinking about myself and people that I know and I'm like, specifically with like drugs, alcohol and. And those types of behaviors. Definitely majority of them pick them up while in school. Like while from school and in school.

[Julie Chrisley]

I guess my biggest problem and, you know, I've gone back and forth on this schooling situation, have thought about taking Jackson out of the public school system, buying a camper, traveling, homeschooling, just being very super uber crunchy. And we'll like, plant vegetables and like, you know, learn how to make spreadsheets and, you know, do taxes and things that are actually relevant instead of this new math that they teach that Nobody understands. Yeah, I have considered that. However, watching him grow up, I feel like there's so much that he has learned and. And maybe this is coming from a mom of an only child. Watching him learn to interact with other people in a social aspect, I think there's a lot of good that does come out of that. And the diversity at his school, knowing people from, like, different walks of life and different family dynamics and, you know, different economic backgrounds, Like, I think there is something definitely to be said for that. Do I agree with a statement that schools are the most dangerous place in America today? I do believe that to be true. But I think interacting with any human in ages that you are growing up. So from the time you start school, which is, what, five years old, until you graduate at 18, you're going to be exposed to things whether you are in a school setting or whether you're not in a typical school setting. I think it's more controlled if you're doing homeschooling, Right.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I think you have more of a.

[Julie Chrisley]

Grasp on what your kids might have access to or the things that are being said around them. But what is the alternative?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, I look at that, right? And I'm like, but that still only goes so far, right? They're going to be exposed to it at some point, whether it's during school or after. And I look at it like, I have friends, right, that had really strict families, you know, no alcohol in the house. Their parents didn't drink at all. And they were the ones who went the most absolute, like, balls to the walls in college and got themselves in bad situations where, as far, like, in my house, alcohol was not, like, overused, right? But, like, it was there. My parents, you know, my dad would have a beer. My mom would have a glass of Arbor Mist. And if I was like, hey, Arbor Mist, not Arbor Mist, right? Like, if I said, hey, can I have a sip of that? It was never, like, absolutely not. Blah, blah, blah, Right? I never, like, alcohol never enticed me, and now I barely drink as an adult because it just, like, I don't care.

[Julie Chrisley]

I definitely have alcohol in my house. Like, my refrigerator has beer and seltzers that are in there. And Jackson's never really had an interest. And I hate to say this, because it kind of sounds bad, but he's always kind of been exposed to social drinking, right? And I think that that is good if controlled, Right. There's always boundaries and limits with everything.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. Like, my mom would not be handing me a glass of wine at 14, you know, but If I wanted a couple sips. Okay, cool, whatever.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Same thing. I have an agreement with that.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, same thing for my dad. So I never like someone being like, oh, let's go to this party because we're gonna get wasted. Even in high school, I didn't care. I really didn't care. That didn't entice me to go or not go because it wasn't taboo for me. It wasn't taboo in my household. And I think that that taught me a healthy relationship with like alcohol. It also. I genuinely learned at a very young age that I don't have an addictive personality, which helped me out in life. Because I feel like if you don't know that you have an addictive personality and you get peer pressured into doing something that could lead you down a very, very bad path 1000%.

[Julie Chrisley]

The people that I know that have the healthiest, what I would say boundary setting with substances or whatever is because they were somewhat exposed to it through adolescent years.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. In a responsible manner probably. Right?

[Julie Chrisley]

Yes.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Julie Chrisley]

Going to college. I mean, I think about myself going to college and that was the first time I ever. I don't want to sound like I had Stockholm syndrome. Like my God, really? The first time that I was ever exposed to anything outside of private school. Because immediately in ninth grade when my parents didn't want me exposed to certain stuff, what did they do? They had applications for private school and limited the access to the things that they did not want me having access to. And then I go off to college as a young adult not being exposed to any of this stuff. First exposure at 19 years old. I think if you don't have a strong personality and like non addictive personality, that could get you in a lot of freaking trouble.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh my God.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I talk about a culture shock.

[Julie Chrisley]

Oh, it definitely 1000% was a culture shock. But I just, I don't know what the alternative would be. You know, you see all this kind of stuff online now about, you know, hypothetically schools or public schools, you know, not having funding so they're not going to stay open. Like, what is the alternative?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I don't really know. And like, I also want it to be extremely clear that I don't blame teachers for any of this. So for all the teachers out there not even talking about that, I'm talking about the actual peer to peer contact.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yep.

[Kristen Cavallari]

In school, truly, I just don't think that it's really preventable. And then you. What is again, what is alternative? You go out into the real world after being sheltered and then it's like, holy. Well.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

And I think about when you and I were growing up, teachers were, like.

[Julie Chrisley]

One of the most respectable jobs.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

And now teachers are out here having.

[Julie Chrisley]

To fight for their damn life.

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[Kristen Cavallari]

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[Julie Chrisley]

What do we truly think about AI in school? Because I do agree with this part of it. Like, it is unbelievable technology and why can it not be used? I don't necessarily think that AI is cheating now, do I think that AI can be used in every situation? No, I do not. But I think if taught responsibly how to use AI and how to apply AI, we're putting our kids at a disadvantage if they're not taught how to properly use it, because it's not going away.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I'm all about education in a lot of senses, and this would be one of them, the disadvantage kids will be at if they are not taught how to actively use AI, because that is the direction everything is moving. And the people that are going to get jobs are the people who have learned and knows how to use AI properly. And the people who are not going to be employed are going to be the ones who just sit back and think that it's not a thing.

[Julie Chrisley]

I agree. I would love to know other parents who are listening to this if you like the idea of AI being taught in school and how to use it properly, or if you don't want it in school at all. No, I think for, like, critical thinking purposes, I don't see a place for AI. I think kids do need to learn how to truly critically think.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I would agree.

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[Kristen Cavallari]

And, like, I think part of it is like, okay, give me your answer without AI and then let's see what your answer would be with AI. Right. Like, yeah. Would you tweak this to be an appropriate response? I use AI in my job.

[Julie Chrisley]

Like, you know, everyone uses AI at this point to some degree. Like, it might not be chat, GPT or whatever the hell else, but you're using AI to some degree every single day.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yep. Yep.

[Julie Chrisley]

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[Julie Chrisley]

I actually found this on the Daily Mail.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh.

[Julie Chrisley]

And I was just, like, searching around the Internet. And I quote, wife slices off her husband's penis and cooks it and bean stew after catching him watching porn.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, wow. That escalated quickly.

[Julie Chrisley]

Yes. It says this woman is from Western Brazil, and it is said that she added part of her husband's sex organs to the meal and eating it after ending his life in a revenge attack when she caught him watching porn. The victim has been described as a 37 year old, but no details have yet been released about the alleged killer. Police believe the woman acted out of jealousy and rage, According to local media reports. Detectives are said to have found the dead man's body minus his private parts near a couple's home after relatives reported him missing. The wife reportedly confessed to her sick crime during questioning. It is not yet clear if she was the only person who tried the stew she cooked or if others ate it and were unaware of its ingredients.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Okay, so here's the thing. The slicing off is. Is one thing, right? Slicing it, biting it, whatever that looks like, that's one thing. Why aren't. Like, why would you cook it in a stew and want to eat it yourself? Like, you're really only yourself up there. So I'm not really. I'm not tracking that aspect of it.

[Julie Chrisley]

Like, I wouldn't ever even kick somebody in the balls, like, let alone take like a nibble off of it.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I'm literally out here being like, yeah, like the slicing of it, biting of it, cool. But like, why are we eating it? You're like, I wouldn't even kick someone there. We are not aligned.

[Julie Chrisley]

Says this news also comes after a furious wife sliped, sliced off her husband's penis last year after he allegedly said another woman's name during sex. I feel like we talked about that at point.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Some.

[Julie Chrisley]

Some point.

[Kristen Cavallari]

That is ringing a bell. That is ringing a bell.

[Julie Chrisley]

I just, you know, I just don't understand how someone, unless the man was sleeping, would fully be able to take a knife and just cut the whole dick off.

[Kristen Cavallari]

But like, is that what killed him? Or she killed him, then cut it off, then cooked it?

[Julie Chrisley]

I don't know. It doesn't give those details.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I would love to know because it.

[Julie Chrisley]

Said that he was found in March without his penis and part of his heart.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, okay. That's like, that's. That's turning into cannibalism. I mean, the whole thing was. But wow. I'm reading further, I'm looking at this article right now and I'm reading further. 10 inch long knife from the kitchen. Chopped it off.

[Julie Chrisley]

I'm looking at the picture and I'm. I'm assuming that this is just like a picture of some stew, but not like the actual stew.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, not these two.

[Julie Chrisley]

Because I couldn't imagine that that's what it would look like because it straight up looks like kielbasa.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Local media reported that doctors tried reattaching the phallus but were unsuccessful. Well, I mean, like, they tried putting it back.

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[Kristen Cavallari]

So I'm thinking that he died while they were trying to reattach it and maybe wasn't all like, dead dead when they found him. Neighbors rushed to the screaming man's aid and took him to the hospital while the city police officers arrested his wife, who did not try to escape.

[Julie Chrisley]

But like, what would go through someone's mind to pick up like a 10 inch blade in their kitchen and just go straight for the dick get. Put it in stew.

[Kristen Cavallari]

That's what I'm saying. The chopping off. Okay. All right, cool. Been done multiple times. Biting off, chopping off. Okay. The putting it in stew. Like, what was the plan there? Were you eating it? That's. Why would you do that to yourself? Were you serving it to someone else? What did that person do? I don't. I have so many questions.

[Julie Chrisley]

Cannibalism, but also, like, was it a way to get rid of the evidence?

[Kristen Cavallari]

You know, there's got to be a better way. That's all I'm gonna say about that.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

There's got to be a better way.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Than deciding you're eating it.

[Julie Chrisley]

And also, could you imagine being a person like, you know, was this community the type of people that you, like, share sugar with your neighbor or like butter did she taste do to someone else and they were eating dick and didn't know?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Have some dick stew. Could you imagine the way I would. Literally I would be chopping something off next.

[Julie Chrisley]

You know, I have a sign and I can promise you that would be a big fucking problem for me.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

If.

[Julie Chrisley]

Someone thought that they were gonna get the away with that. As I say that, I also have weekly devotional.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Wow, have the tables turned?

[Julie Chrisley]

Not me out here. Just, you know, the hypocrisy. It says pray before every decision. Small or big, God is in all the details of your life. Proverbs 3, 6, and all your ways. Acknowledge him and he will make your path straight. Thank you guys so much for joining us this week. I hope that you all have the best week ever. If you have not subscribed to the show, you can do that on any podcast app, wherever you get your pods. Always first at podcast one. Hope you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Bye.

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