S E29: The Sports Thing Podcast w/Holmberg, Hellestrae And Nash - Episode 29 - 03-17-26

Summary

The Sports Thing Podcast w/Holmberg, Hellestrae & Nash

Episode 29 – March 19, 2026
Host: John Holmberg
Guests: Dale Hellestrae, Dave Nash

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Episode Overview

This week, John Holmberg, Dale Hellestrae, and Dave Nash return to dissect the latest in sports, focusing on NFL offseason drama, tanking trends in football, the NCAA tournament outlook, and current debates in women’s sports. True to form, they blend sports insight with humor and veer into the “Five Minutes With a Madman” conspiracy-corner at the end. The show's self-aware, irreverent tone remains intact, and the group’s dynamic ensures a blend of analysis, speculation, and lighthearted banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Max Crosby Trade Fiasco & NFL Medical Procedures

[01:04–11:15]

• Frustration with Timing: The trio lamented how their prior week’s podcast was instantly outdated by the collapse of the Max Crosby trade hours later.
• NFL Medical Evaluations:
  • Confusion reigned about who does physicals for big trades. Dale recalled, “The Dallas Cowboy team doctors...if we didn't know you and you know the risks—your hip and back and all that—we would not pass you...But since we have intimate knowledge...we'll pass you.” (05:24)
  • Conflict of Interest: Much discussion on impartiality in trade physicals, with John questioning if non-football doctors should handle million-dollar assessments, concerned about gambling and bias affecting decisions: “Now you’ve got guys going, ‘Oh, you get the Max Crosby trade—we make this move, we make that impossible for them.’” (06:50)
• Crosby’s Future and Value:
  • Consensus emerged that Crosby’s value is diminished if stuck on a rebuilding Raiders team.
  • Hellestrae: “How many teams can rebuild in one year?” (09:14)
  • John: “If you get traded, you don't go back.” (08:54)
• Comparisons to Other Offseason Moves: Referenced Amare Stoudemire’s Suns-to-Knicks move and how injuries shape franchise decisions.

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2. "Squeaky Wheels" and Locker Room Dynamics

[16:50–18:50]

• Max Crosby vs. Cowboys’ Locker Room:
  • Dale reminisced, “Our squeaky wheels were about nonsense”—difference between legit disgruntlement and mere noise.
  • John pointed out that even star players like Troy Aikman, though “squeaky,” earned it through leadership, drawing parallels to Max Crosby’s situation.

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3. NFL Tanking & Salary Cap Gambits

[19:03–22:18, 23:46–25:02]

• Tanking in Football:
  • Historically rare, but is now becoming more apparent, with Dale referencing the Cardinals and Dolphins: “It's like a race to the gutter between the Cardinals and Miami. The Cardinals have $180 million of salary cap room next year.” (19:49)
• Baseball vs. Football Strategy:
  • John recounted the Cubs’ explicit multiyear rebuild and compared it to baseball’s ‘farm system’ approach.
• Salary Cap Manipulation:
  • The group discussed moves by Miami and Arizona, suggesting they're playing a “wait til next year” game, a shift from traditional win-now NFL logic.

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4. Quarterback Carousel: Kyler Murray & Vikings’ Gambit

[27:36–34:51]

• Kyler Murray to Minnesota:
  • The crew was puzzled by the move’s logic, suspecting it signals a lack of faith in J.J. McCarthy or simply insurance against injury.
  • John: “If it does go sideways, it's [Kyler’s] him.” (29:33)
  • Dale: “An athlete, you're not going up there thinking, I'm going to be the problem. You're going up there going, this is a brand new life.” (29:28)
• Debate: Best Team Fits for Kyler: Jets, Steelers, and Vikings were mentioned, with Nash arguing Minnesota is a gamble but could revive Murray’s value.

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5. NFL Power Rankings & Division Forecasts

[35:34–37:10]

• Cardinals at the Bottom:
  • The NFC West is stacked: “Seattle #1, Rams #2, San Francisco #5. Same division: Cardinals number 32.” (35:55)
• QB Dilemmas:
  • Brief debate on Malik Willis’ value compared to Arizona’s options.

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6. NFL Trade Tampering and the Ravens’ Risks

[37:10–41:02]

• Ravens, Lamar Jackson & Cap Gymnastics:
  • Dale noted rumors of tampering in the failed Crosby deal.
  • The group questioned Baltimore's future with Lamar Jackson: “His next contract...are they going to give you that, open up the bank for you? That is a huge decision coming up.” (40:43)
  • Nash floated a trade to the Jets: “I think they should trade him to the Jets.” (39:43)
  • John quipped about wishing ill on the Ravens as a lifelong Steelers fan.

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7. NCAA Tournament: The Death of Cinderella?

[41:17–52:08]

• March Madness Speculation:
  • John: “This is the first time…the NIL is going to change this for years. I don’t think Cinderella exists anymore.” (42:38)
  • Nash: “There’s no way there’s going to be four number ones again this year. No way.” (43:57)
• Heavyweight Programs Dominate:
  • Conversations focused on U of A (Arizona), Michigan, Duke, and Houston as favorites due to robust NIL incentives attracting deep talent.
  • John: “Now you’re talking about teams with four and five [NBA prospects] going up against teams that might have one or two.” (45:00)
  • Paths and upset potential were debated; Nash picked Houston, Dale picked U of A, John liked Duke.

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8. World Baseball Classic & MLB Observations

[52:07–59:02]

• USA’s Struggles at the Plate:
  • Holmberg marvels at the U.S. lineup’s inability to produce runs, calling them “one-trick ponies.” (54:03)
• Umpire Technology Debate:
  • Mixed views on automated strike zones: “Don’t make it two or three times you can question the guy...that used to be against the rules.” (58:49)
  • Nash and Dale praised catchers’ skill at “working the umpire.”

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9. NBA in the Shadows & Arizona State Sports Controversy

[59:10–66:05]

• NBA’s Playoff Push:
  • Short acknowledgment that NBA drama is eclipsed by the NCAA and NFL offseason.
• Transgender Athlete Debate:
  • A heated discussion on Arizona State Senate debates regarding transgender participation in women’s sports.
  • Holmberg: “Common sense has not taken hold of this argument yet…The basic biology of human bodies [means] you’re putting one at harm.” (61:18)
  • Nash and Hellestrae both favor clear, DNA-based rules for participation: “If you were born a guy…you play against guys.” (66:12)
• Society, Sports, and Fairness:
  • The group strongly opposes the politicization of the issue and advocates for blunt, biological eligibility criteria.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Self-Deprecation & Meta Commentary

• “This podcast is increasingly irrelevant each and every time we open our traps, which makes me believe Dave, 9/11 was not an inside job at all. None of this stuff matters.” (02:24 – John Holmberg)

Sports Cynicism

• “If you get traded, you don’t go back.” (08:54 – John Holmberg)
• “It’s like a race to the gutter between the Cardinals and Miami.” (19:49 – Dale Hellestrae)
• “I would have been screaming for [Kyler to the Steelers] if I was his agent. Look, we’re going here. Culture’s good.” (32:25 – John Holmberg)

On NIL and College Hoops

• “I don’t think you’re going to see Cinderella anymore ... this is going to become not just top heavy like it used to be. Dominant top heavy.” (45:51 – John Holmberg)

Culture War Flashpoint

• “Common sense has not taken hold of this argument yet. There’s a reason 7-year-olds don’t play the freshmen, and it isn’t because they’re incapable. It’s because the distribution of weight.” (61:18 – John Holmberg)
• “If you were born a guy ... you play against guys. Pure and simple.” (66:12 – Dave Nash)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• NFL Medicals & Max Crosby Trade: 01:04 – 11:15
• NFL Tanking & Salary Cap: 19:03 – 22:18, 23:46 – 25:02
• Kyler Murray & Vikings QB Situation: 27:36 – 34:51
• NCAA Tournament Outlook: 41:17 – 52:08
• World Baseball Classic Chat: 52:08 – 59:02
• Transgender Sports Debate: 59:41 – 66:21
• Five Minutes with a Madman (Tartaria, Ancient Buildings, Aliens): 67:00 – End

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Five Minutes With a Madman

[67:00–End]

• Tartaria Conspiracy Theory:
  • Dave Nash introduces listeners to the conspiracy surrounding “Tartaria”—a supposed lost civilization responsible for monolithic buildings around Russia, China, and old-world world’s fairs.
  • “Who built all this stuff and where did the technology go?...If you think everyone on this planet was born on this planet? Oh, I don't. So, so, aliens.” (68:03-70:16)
• Aliens as Builders: Nash teases future discussions on ancient giants, alien technology, and the mysteries behind “impossible” architecture.

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Tone & Style

• The show bounces between dry wit, friendly ribbing, expert insight, and irreverent detours.
• Topics shift rapidly but always return to sports analysis, rooting commentary in both experience (Hellestrae’s NFL background) and speculation.
• Humor and sarcasm underpin even the weightiest debates.

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For Listeners: Key Takeaways

• Max Crosby’s trade drama exposes the NFL’s messy and non-standard medical/trade procedures.
• Tanking and cap games are bleeding into NFL front offices—expect more “wait til next year” teams.
• NIL is reshaping college basketball, possibly eliminating “Cinderella” stories.
• The Kyler Murray–Minnesota storyline is both high risk and a bellwether for how franchises gamble on quarterback reclamation projects.
• Arizona teams (Cardinals, Suns) remain snakebit, while listeners are reminded not to get too attached to upstart narratives—sports, like life, is messy and full of surprises.
• Five Minutes with a Madman provides a trademark off-ramp into the semi-serious, semi-satirical world of sports-adjacent conspiracies.

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Episode Summary in One Line

Three sportslifers and friends laugh through being proven wrong by the news cycle yet again, riff on trade drama and tanking in the NFL, debate where college hoops is headed in the NIL era, and finish with a quick trip to conspiracy land.

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Transcript

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[A]

It's John Holmberg here. How are you? Of course you know me as the host of Holmberg's Morning Sickness on 98 KUPD, wildly successful show here in Phoenix, Arizona. You can see it at 98KUPD.com the podcast available as well. Look over there. It's Dale Hellestray, three time world champion for your Dallas Cowboys and co host of the main event and also part time guest here at the Holmberg Podcast known as that sports thing. Good morning Johnny next to him. It's afternoon now, Dale. I was a little late as the angry patriot. Mr. Dave Nash, he is here as well, ready to go to talk more sports. And let's start this whole thing off based off of last week's podcast that the three of us sat here and did for no reason at all. I rushed here today in hopes that the same thing happens doesn't happen this week that happened last week which was immediate irrelevance of what we talked about for an hour and 15 minutes last week. The second we left this room the Max Crosby trade fell apart and we spent null and void tons of time talking about how much of a difference that was going to make and the way it ruins this and teams that make moves like this and ups and downs of franchises.

[C]

Should we talk about the world Baseball final between America and Japan?

[A]

Japan, which we've been more wrong about in Venezuela.

[C]

We met, we mentioned, we mentioned it,

[A]

we did get half of it right. Yeah, we got the us in there. And that was a tight squeeze. Barely tight squeeze, but, yeah, we. This podcast is increasingly irrelevant each and every time we open our traps, which makes me believe Dave 911 was not an inside job at all. None of this stuff matters. The second we're involved in this. Everything we say, the exact opposite, is true. Helen Keller was real. We went to the moon. Antibiotics are great for you. The COVID shot couldn't have been better. And. And we don't know what we're talking about.

[D]

Tartaria. Have you heard of that? No.

[A]

Is that a thing you guys did?

[D]

You never heard of it?

[A]

What's Tartaria?

[D]

Now we'll tell you.

[C]

Last five minutes.

[A]

Last five minutes with the madman. So let's try to keep it on the up and up this week. Let's try to keep it to where these things are.

[C]

You're the one with the topics. You're a terrible topic maker.

[A]

Not a terrible topic maker. It just. Who saw the Max Crosby thing coming? No one.

[C]

No, no, no, actually, I did, because he had. He. He had the knee injury.

[A]

Everyone knew.

[C]

Yeah, but that gave Baltimore a chance to say, you know, we're trying to then bring in someone, but now we can't. He's. He's too hurt.

[A]

Come on.

[D]

Hold on. Do you guys know who failed him on that physical?

[C]

It was the guy that fails you on yours.

[D]

Same guy as a Dallas Cowboy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was there when I was there.

[A]

But don't they have to have an impartial.

[D]

I don't know about that. Usually you just go see the team doctor.

[A]

Well, I figured that, but they.

[D]

But again, I'm. I'm talking different wages and different importance.

[A]

But don't they draw out of a hat, though, basically, and say, this is the team guy that's going to do the evaluation for the contract for the insurance for the league, rather than the Ravens saying yes or no or the Raiders saying yes or no. Well, you know, Raiders would have passed. Not heard that.

[D]

But that makes sense, especially when you're talking about 50 million, 60 million, huge million dollars.

[A]

Right.

[D]

Can you get insurance on it? Can you not? And. And all that. But it was the Dallas Cowboys beat a guy who said no, and then immediately, two days later, the Cowboys seemed interested again, super interested in that.

[A]

I saw the whole thing as sort of like, why in the world was the Cowboys guy? And it sort of made sense. You can't insure that much money without an impartial outsider. But shouldn't that Be someone not affiliated with football at all.

[D]

That. Yeah. Or guess what? If your doctor's evaluating this guy, you can't trade for him.

[A]

Exactly. Yeah. If you guys get drawn, you're out of the mix. But even that's not fair. And I don't know, I'm assuming it's not a random deal, that it's an agreed upon thing, because the Raiders would have passed him to get the two.

[C]

There's nothing like talking sports and just being thinking. You have no idea what we're talking about.

[A]

We do, though.

[D]

Every day.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Come on. You live your entire life with that speculation.

[C]

Listen, you watch every film of every football game that Pittsburgh plays. You played in the NFL, and you guys don't know the procedure for who checks out who in a trade.

[D]

All I know is that when I played for the last nine years of my career, the Dallas Cowboy team doctors set. If we. If you hadn't already played for us, if we didn't know you and you know the risks. Yeah. Oh, you're hip and back and all that, we would not pass you. Right. But since we have intimate knowledge of you and those kind of things, yeah, we'll pass you. Like.

[A]

But if I'd have gotten traded, they might not have.

[D]

Might not have passed me.

[A]

But some might have.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

So there's no, like, standard. It's just basically a guy's opinion.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And when they say medicine, you're practicing medicine. There's no perfect medicine.

[C]

That's the truth.

[A]

These guys are just kind of going on what they think. And so that doctor's reputation with Dallas was basically like, I don't want him to get his knee blown out here and get the blame for this.

[D]

Right.

[A]

It doesn't look good to me.

[D]

That's where I like that impartial thing, because you don't want to have that on your. On your no record.

[A]

You can get in huge trouble.

[C]

They are all just practicing medicine. Everybody's practicing except that Summit Mail Medical Center. They know exactly what.

[A]

They're perfecting it.

[C]

Call 480-398-1000. Go to summitmailmedical.com if you want help with EDP, low TV, all of that

[A]

incredible plug right there. Way to swing that one. I gotta hand you that. But yeah. And they should just go to Summit Mayo Medical and then have them do that.

[C]

Yeah, we can do it.

[A]

You guys would send Crosby over impartially, but how do you do this impartially? Because someone's a fan of something.

[C]

Huh?

[A]

You know, so you get. You can get in there. There. You can start with everybody having gambling in their hands. Now you've got guys going, oh, you get the Max Crosby trade. We make this move, we make that impossible for them. I mean, you can start getting some real sideways stuff.

[D]

Think of it. If you're going to be impartial, you want from a different conference who most likely is not going to be involved. Not going to have any effect on the Cowboy season. Whether he's in Vegas.

[C]

The only time they're going to see him is in the Super Bowl. And what I've heard is the Cowboys aren't going anytime soon.

[A]

We're still, though, like you said, the Cowboys suddenly are now. Well, you know, we'll give you a two for Max Crosby.

[D]

I mean, we didn't.

[A]

We know he's hurt.

[D]

And then all of a sudden, this same docker would pass him.

[A]

Yeah. Because he can't now. Right. Well, because he wouldn't be the one doing the exam now, I would imagine, Dale, you don't maybe know or do that not only does the impartial doctor have to pass you, the team doctor does as well.

[D]

Yes. So the team doctor is number one, and then you have to go for a second op.

[A]

And so if you have an injury, he's got one.

[D]

Right.

[A]

But if Max. They're just saying it's not healing correctly or they're worried that this thing's going to blow up again.

[D]

You know what? It's exactly like Amari Stoudemire.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

When he's with the Suns. And they wouldn't give him five years. Everybody lambasted Robert Sarver. Yep. And guess what? He ended up being right. Because they got about three years out of.

[A]

Wasn't it Liz Frank, though, right, everybody.

[D]

No, no, it was a knee issue. Senator of knee.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[D]

And. And. And so they said, I'm not gonna give you five years, guaranteed. Yeah. And the Knicks did.

[C]

And.

[D]

And they got three years. Well, they probably could afford it and whatever. That's fine. But when you. When you look at the nuts and bolts of the decision, it was a correct decision, financially. Yes.

[A]

For sure.

[D]

I'll give you three years, fully guarantee. Maybe give you a little bit more.

[A]

Right. And we'll see after those three years, we'll give you a ton. Yeah.

[C]

And those.

[A]

Those are those moments where you kind of like the owner does have to make that choice, and you don't want to get involved in that. But now, what team takes. Now this will be irrelevant when we're done. What team. What team takes Max Crosby. If the Raiders still try to try. They're all playing like he's staying. There's no way.

[D]

It seems like there's been a Kumbaya.

[A]

If you get traded, you don't go back.

[D]

When I'm the one trying to force a trade.

[A]

You're not going back and going. I love it here. You have to. Because you just realized that your stock dropped through the floor.

[D]

Right.

[A]

So now he has to play nice. The Raiders want the picks. They're rebuilding. They don't need Max Crosby.

[D]

How many teams can rebuild in one year?

[A]

They can't. You can't do it. And then now you've got. What is he making? 50 million a year? I don't even know. And he's going to sit on a Raiders team that's going to do nothing for two years and eat up space, and they could be drafting people and everything else. The Raiders are dying to get rid

[C]

of him, and he doesn't really help them as much because he can put pressure on the. On the passer.

[A]

Huge.

[C]

And you know, the team they're going to be playing, they're going to be up, they're going to be running the

[A]

ball well, no matter what. They're just. It'll be easy to avoid.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, there's gonna be like, stay away from. From 98. So it's. It's. I look.

[C]

Yeah. If you're. If you're. If you're a defensive end, pass rush specialist, and you're on a bad team, that hurts you.

[A]

It's terrible. Huge. You might get good numbers. You might get a few good numbers because teams aren't going to be. They'll be passing a lot early maybe and late. You get two or three a game. If on a great day, you walk away with 13 sacks, you're like, well, he was on a bad team. He looks great. I don't think Max Crosby gets hurt if he stays healthy. I think his. At least his reputation, he's. Nobody's going to blame him if the Raiders are bad.

[D]

No.

[A]

And even if he has down numbers, everybody's going to see.

[D]

He seems to be a very squeaky wheel for a dude that all you hear about is how hard he plays.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

How much of a team player is. This is a couple of years in a row now. A couple of years ago, he said, if you don't keep the ASU linebacker coach. Oh, oh, what is his name? And the last of the year, if you don't keep him. Yeah, I want to be traded. Well, again, any owner who listens to a player.

[A]

Antonio Pierce.

[D]

Antonio Pierce, yeah. If any owner listens to a player about a coach, he's talking about his comfortability.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And are you making it comfy around here?

[A]

Wouldn't you be squeaky in Vegas?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You're the superstar. If I'm him and you're sitting there looking at Aiden o', Connell, Kenny Pickett, Geno Smith, like this parade of quarterbacks that are not going to take you anywhere and you are the 110% guy on the team. And they had a couple of guys. Robert Spillane was on that team a

[D]

couple of years ago.

[A]

He's another one. They had Landon Roberts, they had dudes who are just bangers. They're on nothing teams. I mean, this is a terrible team. So if you're that good, you're the face of the franchise and you're running into your prime. Wouldn't you squeak?

[D]

Well, you might. But two things will give me hope if I'm him. Number one, you're getting Mendoza and I'm, I'm very high on Mendoza.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Number two, you got Tom Brady involved.

[C]

I agree.

[D]

100 Tom Brady's involved. He, I, I believe he's going to be a much better president slash general manager, whatever his title is than John Elway was.

[A]

Well, that's not going to be hard.

[D]

Well, he won Super Bowl. He wants Super Bowl.

[A]

He got us how though?

[C]

Well, that's his job.

[A]

I know, but it was years and years and years of trying to do it his way and he's like, finally, just get that guy. Go get that dude. Yeah, go get Peyton. He wasn't known as a great executive

[D]

up until that, but I think Tom Brady will know what to do, how

[A]

to do it and see, I just, I look at guys like that, like Elway and Brady and all that and I'm like, they can't see normal.

[C]

Oh, Tom Brady is, it's not like he was a natural. He's a six round pick. He didn't even start his senior year in college.

[A]

That's mistakes along the way. And also it is, that's a guy who nobody assessed physically properly. And then once.

[C]

Have you seen his picture? Yeah. Hey, I would assessed him as free agent. Sure. Tom Brady, they almost did.

[A]

And then once he hit the field, you're like something special here because he got the chance and it was mental. I and also it's one of those things where you wouldn't look at a lot of guys like Jokic and like, I mean, he's tall, but you look at guys like, now he's doughy or Luca or whatever. You don't see the greatness until it's shown.

[C]

Because they think like, Wayne Gretzky thought the game two steps ahead of everyone else. So that he does it with.

[A]

But he can't pass that on.

[D]

No, no, but he can think. As far as personal.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Again, what I'm saying is I don't see it.

[C]

And he's seen it for 25 years.

[A]

I don't see guys who have seen what they see special over everybody else seeing it for 25 years.

[D]

I think you're talking different apples to oranges where, you know, you hear about a Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson or why can't they be good coaches? Like, well, just do what I did, right? Well, nobody can do what they did. Well, guess what Tom Brady made himself into.

[C]

He didn't do anything.

[A]

Nothing. He just had the heart to do it with whatever he's built with. Joe Montana was not a guy. I mean, in college, he was great, but, I mean, he was not a guy. Where you're looking at him going, well, this is clearly the greatest quarterback that's ever played the game. You just don't see those guys until they become that and they have to be on a pro field to do it. I don't see Tom Brady, and maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see Tom Brady being in the executive chair assessing everyone. He's got what I have, and he doesn't know what he's got. He just knows he's got it. We think Tom Brady knows a secret. Tom Brady just knows what he knows.

[D]

Right.

[A]

He doesn't know anything about this.

[D]

I would put more confidence in him doing this than I would a lot of other guys.

[A]

You know, we all did this in national. Start screaming. Not all of us.

[D]

Tommy DeVito.

[A]

No. Well, there's that. His assessment skills aren't necessarily great. I wouldn't GM you, but to your credit, the Bill Belichick thing up in college, everybody thought, oh, he's the magic touch. The magic touch. The magic touch.

[C]

I didn't.

[A]

No, you were the only one because you've hated him in New England for so long. But he was a great coach.

[C]

There's no doubt he's overrated.

[A]

No, I disagree that he's overrated because he's got too many rings.

[D]

How many of these does he have, Dave?

[C]

How many does he have without Tom Brady?

[A]

Yeah, but you just said it with my argument about John Elway immediately said, oh, but he got a Super Bowl. That's all you need. You got eight of them.

[C]

Yeah, he. They won in spite of him. No, I. I take that back. That's outrageous.

[D]

That's ridiculous. That's outrageous. Thank you.

[A]

Thank you. Having a show on your own. Yeah, you just argue with yourself in the corner because that is outrageous.

[C]

But listen, he was obviously a great coach to keep that team together, but

[A]

everybody thinks his magic will just transition to college.

[C]

Kids are like, he magically had Tom Brady and other leaders in that clubhouse.

[A]

Of course.

[C]

But Brady is brusky, hugely important.

[A]

He's not going to have that impact on the Raiders just because he's there.

[C]

Correct. I will give you that. But. But he might know that when you see it, you know, if he's in the clubhouse, if he's on the practice field and he sees who really fits, who doesn't, I'll give him that.

[A]

Like, to go back in his career and see if he was like, oh, Wes Welker's the guy. Or, you know, Danny Amendola is the. Oh, these guys are. Oh, they're. They're so much more special than, you know. Trust me. Trust me.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Or if it was just one of those things where the scheme was like, this is perfect for me.

[D]

Right.

[A]

Protect me. And I'm going to get these little. These little gnats the ball. We're getting five yards of throw every time. That'll open up the deep ball. Make me great. Because you put pressure on Tom Brady up the middle. He was as average as anybody.

[C]

I think you said it accurately a couple minutes ago. He said, I might be wrong. And you are. That's. We can leave it, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay. So can I say something about this show, your show, this brilliant show? Can I encourage you? Why are we spending 10 minutes talking about the Raiders?

[A]

Well, that's a great question.

[D]

We got a sucky tv.

[C]

Tons.

[A]

Well, we have plenty of sucky teams, and I want to go over some of that. Some of this stuff. Like, I wanted to ask you, Dale, because you said that Max was the squeaky wheel. The cowboys had plenty of squeaky wheels, but you assess who the right one is and who the wrong one is.

[D]

You know, the thing is, I look back on it, our squeaky wheels were about. Nonsense.

[A]

Your squeaky wheels were great.

[D]

My Michael never said, I want more balls thrown to me or I want to get trapped.

[A]

Alvin Harper did.

[C]

He just said, hey, I gotta go to the White House after practice.

[A]

That's plenty going for him where he was busy. Too busy to complain.

[D]

Alvin Harper never even really said that he was Very happy being the number two. The reason he left was because Tampa Bay paid him a lot of money

[A]

to be a number one.

[D]

To be a number one. And he was never number one.

[A]

He was never number one.

[D]

You know, and so Emmett Smith, he never was squeaky about getting more carries or.

[A]

But it wasn't squeaky about the play. And I don't think Max Crosby squeaky about that. I mean, if you had. I mean, Troy Aikman was squeaky. He was squeaky about Barry Switzer. He was squeaky about Jerry Jones, he was squeaky. But he had the right to be. I think Max Crosby does, too. I think certain guys can maybe.

[C]

You know, I wasn't in Dallas, and I didn't hear how squeaky was until you heard the Jerry Jones special, whatever. And he. He did say stuff, but. But I remember back in those days, I didn't. I thought. He didn't say anything. So he was so.

[D]

A few things behind the scenes, but not.

[A]

But he was a leader, so he was allowed, and he handled it well. And I don't think Max Crosby's been screaming and yelling to the press and doing well. He said some things that have been, by the way, 100% right. Not necessarily about Antonio Pierce, but it's like, look, if you want me here, keep me happy. I agree with you that if you start barking about the coach, that you're trying to stay safe rather than good, and you don't like changes.

[C]

But, yeah, the whole Cardinal team's still trying to get Gannon back.

[A]

I don't know what that is. Is there any point to talk about?

[D]

Wants to be traded because.

[A]

Good. Because Jonathan Gannon's gone. But he also just looked at the roster and went, why am I going to break my knees for this? I don't blame him. And also, he just met the new coach, and he's like, I don't think this guy's got anything.

[D]

Okay, so, baby, here's the thing that I've always kind of prided myself on is I guess you can say there's been a few baseball teams over the years who just. And I don't even think they're tanking. I just think they're not spending money. It's not like. Right. And we're gonna tank this year so that we get the number one pick next year, whatever that is. Basketball, it's. It's happening now. And it's.

[A]

Well, baseball's got a thing where they're basically like, look, we have to rebuild the farm. And in order to do so, that's gonna take a couple years. I remember when Ricketts said that about the Cubs. He's like, be patient with us because this is a two year process.

[D]

But you, but you have the Oakland A's, whatever they are now, they just don't spend money. It's not like they're taking to be better next year.

[A]

Right.

[D]

In basketball, you see teams every year trying to tank. They get top driving and. But you never heard about it in football. No, never heard about football. And I, I read some things and heard some things this past week and it's like a race to the gutter between the Cardinals and Miami. You know The Cardinals have $180 million of salary cap room next year.

[A]

Well, and they have to make that matter. And I don't know what they're going to do. But if you've got that next year, this upcoming season, there's no real incentive to pay people.

[D]

So it's not really.

[C]

I'm sorry, I'm not.

[A]

It's just smart.

[C]

I'm not Mel Kuyper. So I don't know who the quarterbacks are going to be coming out next year.

[A]

Arch Manning's the big one. And then you've got the kid from Ole Miss, that Trinidad, what's his name, who had a great. Chambers. Yeah, I thought that guy was a pro level quarterback in the playoffs he showed so much. And when he went to the, when he went back to school for a year, I was like, that's great, right? Could be Cardell Jones all over again. Who I thought when he won that championship with Ohio State, you're like, this guy's coming out now. He's a number. He's a top five pick after what he did. He had a little bit of a rough senior season or junior season, whatever.

[D]

I don't know why he came back because I did that Big Ten championship game and all week we're like, who's going to start? And oh, Cardale Joe, who is. He hadn't thrown.

[A]

He was outrageously good and all that.

[D]

And all of a sudden, bam, three

[A]

games in a row, like his stock went from nothing to first round.

[D]

And I said, come out.

[A]

Absolutely.

[D]

Because things can only go downhill.

[A]

And I think there's a couple guys for next year that that'll happen with. So everybody look, there's five or six teams that are going to be quarterback needy next year. They're kind of coasting this year. Miami, the Cardinals, the Steelers, Malik Willis.

[D]

And you sign a free agent deal as a quarterback and they trade away two of your receivers.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Waddle went to Denver for a one today. I mean.

[D]

Yeah. And. And you're going to have. They're going to have about $140 million solid crap room next year.

[A]

I'm not understanding a lot of what's going on in this off season because it does lend itself to just wait till next year.

[D]

Right.

[A]

And I have not seen that in football in a long time. There used to be the. What was the. When Jared Goff was coming out, the teams that are already bad start chance to say, you know, we're going to suck for luck. Remember, suck for luck was a thing

[D]

whoever could get but that's not the middle of that season usually. No it's not. It's not in March, before the season, before the draft.

[C]

Before the draft.

[A]

Yeah. You're quitting before the draft. But I mean this Cardinals team, in all honesty, if you're a businessman or you're the gm, I'm Monty Austin for it and I'm the new. If I'm the new coach, I'm coming in going, this ain't happening next year. You're not going to see a lot of growth. I can't build off of less than what you had last year.

[C]

Can I take everyone back a year ago and not everyone was drinking the Kool Aid and you don't. But. But a lot of people said the Cardinals are going to surprise a bunch.

[A]

I was on that.

[C]

And you're captain of that. And they came up with that because you thought that's a. It's a roster that you can win with.

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[C]

So it went from a roster you can win with to it's the least talented roster in the NFL. How's that happen?

[A]

Sort of because it was a roster you could win with until you realized how fragile that roster was, that it had to stay. Most. Most of the talk before was if the Cardinals stay healthy, if the Cardinals can have these main guys stay in the game. Also, nobody saw Marvin Harrison having the up and down season. He had no one. No one knew he was.

[C]

Did he have an up? Well, when did he have an up?

[A]

He had a couple of hal where you're like, oh, there it is. And then it just, you know, you see the talent. I think there was a coaching disconnect completely last year where the year before they played their asses off for Gannon and last year they did not after

[D]

week six and they won what, seven games? Yeah, four. And that's progress. It was going to rebuild.

[A]

Yeah. If you see history, it's usually 4 wins, 7 wins, 10 when I was starting to play in the playoffs or get close.

[D]

Right.

[A]

The next year is the jump year.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

And this year was their. We got a shot here.

[C]

That's good teams.

[A]

I don't think you're 100% right.

[D]

Right.

[A]

Giving that credit to the Cardinals and Jets and Browns is moronic because they're going to screw that up. You're going to see the four wins. Eight wins, four wins. It happens to all those same teams.

[D]

Well, what's interesting to me is I look at the Cardinals last year and again, I'm not a what if guy, but if you want to be a what if guy, they lost four of their first five, five games by one score. They had a big lead on Tennessee DeMarcado if he carries the ball one more yard.

[A]

They were all self inflicted.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

All of the things that everybody says that, oh, they lost by a score. They were all self inflicted. Very rarely with the other team. Just kind of push them out of the way. Oh, we stole it. No, the Cardinals gave those and all

[D]

of a sudden you're four and two, you know, instead of one and five.

[A]

Yeah. And I do think Kyler could have stayed healthy and helped him out a little bit. They'd have been better.

[C]

Do you think he was really hurt?

[A]

No. At the end of the year? No. I think the last four, five weeks they just said, we're done here. And that was the world's worst kept secret. Now he's a Viking.

[D]

At least. How in God's name do you get hit in the face with a ball and you miss the rest of these go.

[A]

Well, he's very small. I don't know Maybe it hit him both. Maybe ones of. You know, I've. I remember the song. The foot bones connected to it eventually

[D]

gets to the head.

[A]

Some sort of nervous system issue. Yeah, I. I saw that. That team. I don't know that they're going to tank, though. Tanking is not putting your effort out.

[D]

Well, no, no. Once you get on the field. No, you. In football you can't.

[A]

In basketball you can, but the margin. What are you eating? What are you doing?

[D]

He's got a.

[A]

You got snacks over there?

[C]

Cough medicine.

[D]

He didn't get his Covid shot and so he's been sick for a month.

[A]

Digging around, eating all that I'm going to put on. Yeah, just put him there so I don't have to listen to you rattling

[D]

your popcorn next to this guy. That a six week.

[A]

He has been sick since this podcast started.

[C]

I am a sickly person.

[A]

I would like you to go get your shingles vaccine because I already got it. Did you?

[C]

It's one of the most disappointing things I ever did.

[A]

You got shingles vaccine and you're ashamed of your. Yourself.

[C]

Well, it happened before COVID Oh, and

[A]

does it last that long?

[D]

Forever?

[A]

Oh, it does.

[C]

It lasts.

[A]

That's like.

[C]

It's like black magic.

[A]

We'll get to that.

[C]

Lasts forever. It doesn't do anything. Nonsense.

[D]

All right.

[A]

Anyway, when he's digging around in his halls telling us how healthy.

[C]

I'm just trying to help out, not have the crud or whatever the hell you say. I looked it up and I don't know what I got.

[A]

They haven't named it yet. It's probably like the next Lou Gehrig. Good luck with that. Good luck with that.

[D]

Don't catch the Nash.

[A]

Yeah, don't. Oh, you got the Nash. Put a mask on the Nash mask. We'll call it. It's about time we had that. Anyway, Kyler go into Vikings. I think that sends a strange message. I think that's a really weird. I think it's a good signing for Minnesota, but it's immediately quitting on. On JJ McCarthy. Here's what I wonder about the Vikings since their first answer after signing Kyler was we still believe in jj. What if Kyler has a breakout season? Are they going to be dumb enough to pull Darnold 2 and then go back to McCarthy again? Or do they get rid of McCarthy?

[D]

No, McCarthy gets beat out this year now. Again. And I brought this up on our show with Steve. Nobody's talked. Supposedly they're going to compete, but nobody's talked about the idea that J.J. mcCarthy was with another full off season and all that. What happens if he wins a job?

[A]

Yeah, well, you're only paying Kyler a million five and then you can just unload him because he's nothing.

[C]

Why would he go there?

[A]

I don't get the Viking move for him. For him?

[C]

Makes no sense. No, because they want.

[A]

It's got to be it, JJ to be the guy. There's no question.

[C]

So he's against that.

[A]

Yeah, there's no question. They want JJ to be the guy. The only thing that comes to mind, and we talked a little last, but maybe that injury to his shoulder is, is much worse than we thought. And they're like, ah, he's a huge insurance policy of JJ's arm doesn't recover and you see and you notice zip on the ball's gone or something like his shoulders won't come back. I don't know. I don't get the. I don't get Kyler's agent saying, this is a good move for you. I think there's two other teams that would have been better. And one, unfortunately, is the Jets. That would have been a smart move for Kyler because at least again, it's not his fault. Things start going wrong in Minnesota with the people he's got around him. It's Kyler.

[D]

Yeah. You know this, John.

[C]

It's not going to happen.

[D]

An athlete, you're not going up there thinking, I'm going to be the problem. You're going up there going, this is a brand new life, of course, but

[A]

if he, if it does go sideways, it's him.

[D]

But again, I'm saying, think of you back when you're an athlete, eight, nine years old, you did not go into a little league game going, gosh, if I have to pitch today, I hope I'm not the downfall.

[A]

Sometimes. Sometimes I thought that, oh, boy, I don't feel good today.

[D]

Yeah, but you're, you're an immature.

[A]

Yeah, but I go out and dominate. So no matter how I think he's

[D]

going in with a mindset, I'm the missing piece.

[A]

Of course he is.

[D]

And what they did for Sam Darnold, maybe they can do for me.

[A]

See, this is where Kyler's the problem. He doesn't have me standing next to him going, that's great. I want you to believe in yourself. I'm going to talk to other people like your agent and say, you do realize if the running back gets fumbleitis and this team goes 5 and 12, they're going to blame Kyler. Oh, yeah, let's take him to New York where he can lose and nobody says, oh, this is just his fault, or he can be the savior and only those two things apply. Actually, that's a better move.

[C]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna argue this one. He's gonna go to New York. They're a terrible team, terrible organization. He's not gonna have success. And then he's still getting paid by the Cardinals.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Then when his contract ends with the Cardinals, who's gonna really give him big money. Whereas if he goes somewhere where he might play, might not play a little bit, do this, do that. Hey, he. He could pull off one good series in a game and pull Malik Willis and get a big contract here. All right.

[A]

I think that if he goes to Minnesota, plays average even though he's playing on, it's just like this team's too good. They were a Super bowl contending team with Sam Darnold two years ago, and they said, okay, we can move on. This team is good enough that JJ can step into these.

[C]

How long is he going to get paid by the Cardinals? Two more years. There's no reason for him to go to a crappy.

[A]

And then they have an option to dump if he gets.

[C]

And then by that time then there's be. There's be teams that look for. Especially if he does his job, but they give it to J.J. and he might.

[A]

And who seriously is going after him then? He's just in the same boat he is now. He has to like, he has to just shoot out of the cannon and play great for him to get a good contract.

[C]

We just talked about it. Do you think everyone in the NFL realizes that Vikings want J.J. mcCarthy to succeed?

[A]

For sure.

[C]

He had. He is going to be. He's going to be given the job. Murray's going to have to take it away. And even if he plays well, if they decide to go with JJ and he might get a little time and he doesn't have to do much. He just had to show glimpses of competence and he'll get a big contract next time.

[A]

I think you turn into Mitch Trubisky real fast and start bouncing from systems and not know what's going to happen. I think. I think he. I think he had a chance and I don't like the jets as an option.

[C]

Steelers.

[A]

I'd have been screaming for him if I was his agent. Look, we're going here. Culture's good.

[C]

Worry about culture round. Daniel Jones just bounced around from the Giants to the Minnesota to the Colts.

[A]

Boom. Sort of. I. And I guess they're.

[C]

And. And I think he's getting a big contract and if he's not, they're gonna. They're gonna.

[D]

Well, they're. Franchise.

[A]

Franchise. It's gonna be good for a couple years. The. I don't know. I guess that's gonna be the Kyler thing just touching. The Vikings has made two guys free agent super value. So Kyler's hoping for the third time. Yeah.

[C]

Kyler said, hey, what. What team out there do guys go that were wash washouts.

[A]

Right.

[C]

And then they get a big contract and they're starting quarterback and everyone loves them. Oh, Minnesota. Let's go there.

[A]

Yeah, I just.

[C]

Same thing.

[D]

I think that coach has a lot.

[A]

He could. But then why can't he get jj? It's not going to work every time.

[D]

No. The guy has to have some talent.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

Exactly.

[D]

So maybe they completely miss man.

[A]

It is.

[D]

Although I said this going to last year, I heard from players way too many that they were excited about JJ and usually players will give you kind of the stuff straight scoop.

[C]

Yeah, I think. I think I. What I heard from. He's a really good leader. He's a good teammate and they wanted him to succeed because he's the kind of guy they would like to play behind, but maybe didn't work.

[A]

Top three punchable faces though, in quarterback history. He's got one. JJ's got one. Oh, JJ's got one. You don't see that. Oh, man, he's got one of those in the helmet. Bo Nix is the other one. They both have that. Oh, man, it's like that. If you were. If you were central Cassidy, I got a feeling you'd be the guy stealing the girl girlfriend.

[C]

You know, just jealous people that look like you. And when they look at someone who's probably attractive, they go, oh, that guy.

[A]

Seems to be plenty of attractive men. Not in this room, but I see plenty of attractive men and it does not bother me. I just look in those guys. I'm like, oh man, that's one of those punchable guys. He's got that thing. But you know what? Sometimes they're winners.

[D]

Sit right here on March 17th.

[A]

Yes, sir.

[D]

Does Collar succeed in Minnesota or does he.

[A]

Not personally or with the Vikings.

[D]

With the Vikings. Does he.

[A]

I guess. I guess positively no. I think he needs a couple years of reset from what happened here. I think he'll be okay. It's a good team. He's going to have a better opportunity.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

But I just don't see that team Being in that division, he's going to walk into a division as tough as the one he just left.

[D]

Not quite.

[A]

They're all pretty darn good. And the Bears just got. They're going to get better. The Lions are. Lions are good falling. The packers are good going up.

[C]

You know, the team with the highest under over wins next year in that division. Lions.

[A]

Oh, no kidding.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Eleven or ten and a half.

[C]

Chicago is at nine and a half.

[A]

Well, because it's tough to do that with rookie quarterback. You see that C.J. stroud. They're not rookies, but young guys that. They have that breakout year and then everything comes back. Their schedule is going to be tougher, too.

[C]

I really love Ben.

[A]

Patriots. Patriots are another one that I saw. They need.

[C]

They've dropped.

[A]

They need to fall because their schedule is going to be much, much harder. But yeah, I see the Vikings as the worst team in that division with Kyler.

[D]

And by the way, add that to the Cardinals woes. You know, power rankings, I don't put much right in them, but at least it's something to talk about. Do you realize that the latest power rankings don't. Number one, Seattle. Number two, Rams. Number five, San Francisco.

[A]

Same division where the Cardinals number 32. They're the worst. That's the least. Well, they got nowhere to go but up.

[D]

Well, and Steve spent 10 minutes on our show this morning trying to argue. Well, they could all. They could be 26 or 27. Over who? Well, I mean, the jets and then there are things.

[A]

That's it. Miami maybe. Maybe those three. Those three teams are in trouble.

[C]

I think I would rather have whatever the Cardinals have at quarterback, whatever that is. Then Malik Willis.

[A]

God, I don't see that. Oh, I don't think Malik Willis is

[C]

bad until he played like 1/4 up

[A]

in Green Bay games. He played well. There's nothing. There's nothing wrong with how he played, considering he was.

[C]

The time I was watching him play, everyone, it was like a baby carrying china to the table where the food's like, this is gonna end badly.

[A]

I've seen that.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

I'd like to visualize that for real. That's a test. I want to see the baby carrying.

[D]

I think Dave did that to his son when his son's about 5 years old and his last words were, don't you drop.

[A]

Don't drop my china. Great parent. Big one for that great parent. It's interesting because the NFL is such a soap opera and going on, they say the Ravens might be lose some draft Picks if they find that. This is a little bit off. I read that the other day. I'm like, I don't know how they can do that. If there's any sort of. Oh, we knew we needed out of this, so we looked for a guy to get us out of it. One of those things that tampered with the doctor to say, all right, changed our minds.

[D]

There's no way. The Dallas Cowboy team doctor, he looked at his X rays and whatever, MRIs.

[C]

I mean, when you think you're gonna give up two number ones for a guy that's. What is he, 29, 30.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And. And with a bad knee, the two

[A]

number ones, somebody might have come in and the owner might have come in and said, we're not doing this.

[C]

Someone might have woke someone up.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Whoever made this deal.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

We got to get out of this.

[A]

We're not doing this. Find me a guy.

[D]

I don't remember you. Yeah.

[A]

Because the physical sound like a deal.

[C]

Two. Two number ones.

[A]

When I saw it, I'm like, good. The Ravens overpaid. They have one year window here, and they're done again.

[D]

Remember, he's.

[A]

I hate them.

[C]

I get it.

[A]

But that's still, though. Even as an impartial Ravens hater, it's impossible for me to be impartial and. But that's a tough move. Two first rounders for one guy and a team that's like, all right, this is it. This is our window. And you had some holes. Now, had they done what they said and gone after Trey Hendrickson, too? Which was what the whole organization was like, that was the plan. Then you're like, all right. They are seriously swinging for the fences.

[C]

I do, you see, I look at Lamar Jackson and I say, I can't give him a big contract.

[A]

It's too late. He's got a huge one now.

[C]

Yeah. No, but it's. When it's coming up, it's coming up.

[A]

It's coming up. But they've already talked about moving it to give.

[D]

No, they've already renegotiated. Yeah.

[A]

They've already basically moved his cap to get more.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So he's. He's going to be, I think the final year, it was close to, like, 90 million against the captain because they're scooching everything down for this, which will just be. Well, the dead money will be less, but.

[C]

Well, I'm saying his next contract. When? Because he's still young.

[A]

Oh, after. Well, there's no next contract.

[C]

That's what I think.

[A]

That's not happening.

[C]

Although quarterbacks can play till they're 40,

[A]

but they can't pay him $100 million a year depending.

[C]

Right.

[A]

They do with the cap because they'll just keep moving it up to keep them there. But I can't imagine that I'm going

[C]

to be interested to see what the Ravens do with him when his next contract is up. And I would not blame the Ravens for saying, well, it was nice knowing you.

[A]

What they did with Flacco.

[C]

Wish. Wish you the best of luck.

[A]

Flacco was at the time 50 million against the cap when nobody was getting 40 to get paid. And they're like, we gotta let you go. And they cut him out last year because it saved them.

[C]

Do you think they could get anything for him for Lamar? Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think they should trade him to the Jets.

[A]

That's insane.

[C]

And get.

[A]

Now we're back to outrageous. We're back to outrageous again.

[C]

Listen, I don't. I. Yeah.

[A]

Why not rebuild a team that's ready

[C]

to starting to fall apart?

[A]

I love this.

[C]

Don't you think?

[A]

I hope you're. Look, I hope you're putting it in the ether and it happens. If I'm the Steelers and they end up, you know, doing pretty well and this is their one year window, I'm just. Coach McCarthy. I'm just going to roll over to TJ and Alex Highsmith and say roll up on an ankle, do something. They get him in the ground and twist to do something. Let's get rid of this guy. It's killing us. And get, you know, tweak him out of the Super Bowl. At the very least.

[C]

I think he's. I think he's going to start getting fragile because I hope so. And I, I would not trust a big contract with him.

[A]

Well, at all.

[D]

No. You're saying another big contract.

[A]

He's got like four years left now with this extension.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. So he's gonna be.

[C]

I get. But. But I don't. What's his age gonna be? And I'll look it up. I don't think he's gonna be much into his 30s.

[A]

Yeah, he'll be young 30s.

[C]

I mean. And. And you're gonna take a guy that was an ex MVP and I'm. I'm interested to find out if that team says you can walk or if. Or they're going to say no. We're going to give you that. We're going to open up the bank for you. That. That is a huge decision coming up. I know I'm jumping the gun.

[A]

Well, it's just three years ahead of time. So much that could happen.

[D]

You might not even be around to see what they're.

[A]

Yeah, no, that's true.

[C]

No, that's. That's true.

[A]

All that cold you've got.

[C]

That's why I want to know now. That's why I'm asking now. I won't be years.

[A]

Covid from Ghana. I don't know where you're like, it's the. Nobody's even discovered the jungle. You caught whatever you're calling on. Let's talk a little March Madness, because that is upon us now, too. And it's all. I think that up until maybe I've said this before, I think that other than Olympic hockey, which is the one sport but when you strap the country name on a shirt, it changes things. Olympic hockey, this world. Baseball classics, fantastic things like that. The excitement is hard to match. The NCAA tournament is for years exciting if you've watched a game or not. And I've watched three games this year. U of A, I think, is one of the most fun college teams I've watched. I finally watched Michigan this last week. I don't know how you beat that team. Like U of A and Michigan playing each other is going to be incredible. And then there's Duke, who I just saw highlights of. Everyone else is kind of also ran. And so I think that this is the first time in the entire tournament. And last year it was all ones and twos. That it was all ones last year. The nil is going to change this for years. And we talked about this on my show is that I don't think you're going to see Cinderella anymore. I don't think Cinderella exists anymore. I think he'll go one round. You might get a 12, beat a 5, 13 beat a 4. I don't think you're going to see a lot of elevens bounce off of a six and then move on to a. Move on to the Elite Eight. I think the Elite Eight is going to be fairly predictable. I think these pools are going to be a little bit more boring. It will eliminate my least favorite sports fan of all, which is the dude on Monday, after a weekend of basketball screaming out.

[C]

I called that.

[A]

I called that. You have not watched North Dakota State basketball once in your life. You don't know if Miami of Ohio was actually 31 and 1 or if they were a fluke.

[C]

They're a fluke.

[A]

They're a complete fluke.

[D]

And.

[A]

But the top heavy nature of this kind of changes what I think is the Most exciting tournament in sports, right?

[C]

Well, it's always been top heavy, but.

[A]

Yeah, but U of A being top heavy on that a lot has, has lost and the guys, they've lost. I mean, what do we have? St. Joe's or whatever that was a couple years ago that went all the way to the final four and Butler was an 11. And they went like two years they were in the eight and the championship game and there's been. That won't happen this way anymore.

[D]

I, I don't think it will. The thing about the tournament was the unpredictability, huge of it. They kept a lot of people at a heightened sense of excitement.

[A]

And one seeds cross their fingers that this team didn't have the greatest day of their lives. Across from right. 16s very rarely won.

[C]

But there's no way there's going to be four number ones again this year. No way.

[A]

But I wouldn't say that. But I think you're super safe going 1, 1, 2, 2. I don't think getting much lower than 2 is a great idea if you're picking pools.

[D]

Well, and the thing is like last year, for the first time in forever, all four number one seeds got through because again, the thing about this is it's, it's a, it's a one game thing. One guy, one guy can, can go for 40 in a game.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Now it's like if you're playing in an NBA playoff series. Yeah. No, that team, you can have your bad game. Yeah. Right.

[A]

But in the NBA playoff series, they're, they're professional players.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Right now I'm looking at U of A. There's four NBA players on the starting five.

[D]

They are, but they're still freshmen.

[A]

Sure. But there's four NBA players. I don't care what you say in, in the old days, those four guys go before they made the rule, you got to play a little college. Those guys are all pros. Michigan has five professional basketball players on the court right now.

[C]

Kentucky had five every year and they didn't even.

[A]

Not every year. And I remember the UNLV team going back to, you know, you know, Stacy Ogmund and Larry Johnson and Echols and Hunt. And that was a team where it was like, there's three pros on the team right now. Now, again, they were not necessarily on the up and up, but they didn't win it because Duke was the other team with three professionals on. Now you're, you're talking about teams with four and five going up against teams that might have one or two guys that will make the pros. But we're talking like with U of A's team. I think you got three guys who will get drafted and start and maybe in a year or two.

[D]

Right.

[A]

But I mean you're looking at guy and maybe next year if you Pete.

[C]

I mean.

[A]

And that these guys can play right now with the best Michigan's team. I think they got two guys that

[D]

go right into the pro Duke. I mean you got the best player in the country in that camp.

[A]

Exactly. And there's no. There's no other team out there that scares you four deep. You go five through 16, you're like, they're not getting past these. That kind of makes the whole tournament a mess. And that's all nil. That's. I mean this was not homegrown. This was not. You know, that you get. Duke is going to pay forever. Michigan's going to be good forever. You'll get a couple teams that'll sneak in there. But for the most part, this is going to become not just top heavy like it used to be. Dominant top heavy.

[D]

It'll be fascinating to see because I think that's what everybody is leaning towards. Will it actually play out that way now? Again, I don't think you're going to see a 15 seed beat the 2 seed and then.

[A]

And then win the next and win another one. Right.

[D]

To get in the lead.

[A]

Right.

[D]

You know, and I think that's where some of the excitement always came. You know, you see one of these teams you never heard of. You know what they say.

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[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I think it's harder for those teams to actually do well the next game because, oh, they're amped up. And, and, and, and if you get a good coach, you can scheme a good scheme and surprise someone. But now you got, what, a day?

[A]

Yeah, you got one day.

[C]

How are you gonna scheme it up? And, and like you said, everyone's amped up. Hey, we, we just did it.

[A]

We.

[C]

We did. Now you got to get back up again.

[A]

I've never wanted to root more. I love favorites. I love a team that's like, just, let's go. Let's. You know, they're gonna. I like domination. I think. Really? I think it's great. I think excellence is more fun than watching.

[D]

But you. Yeah. You didn't like the Dallas Cowboys?

[A]

What about. No, no, no. I didn't care for you. Not at all. I, I like knocking off dominance, but you need dominance to be able to do it, which is what I was getting to with this, is that you see teams that are so far and ahead of everyone else. I'm rooting for every underdog. And normally I would look at this one year, you know, like Duke, I'm not going to get too behind because it doesn't matter if they win, lose this year, they're going to be back next year. Well, U of A is what team you're like, man, they're really good. I don't know how long it's going to last. Is this a trend? Is this something that's coming and going? So I'm looking at U of A normally.

[C]

When is it? When's the last time U of A has been bad?

[A]

They've had a few bad years, but they haven't been. They're not a bad. That's not a bad school for basketball.

[D]

I mean, they're bad as 11.

[A]

Yeah, they're bad as. Yeah, they didn't make the tournament, like two times since their championship in 97. But they're not. This is a team you look at and you go, that's probably a favorite.

[D]

I know so many people who are big fans of U of A. They went there or whatever, and they're all scared to death.

[A]

Yeah. Because their history is they bounce out of these things. Kansas was the other one. And they're always the ones who are like, keep your fingers crossed. These guys don't do well with the pressure. Yes, we'll see. I'm. If, if U of A goes all the way, I won't be surprised. I am rooting for them to get knocked off and I'm also rooting for them to get knocked off because it brings the tournament life again. If we see another year where it's 1, 1, 2, 3, it's like we're wasting our time for a week and a half of this. I loved the. The conference championships were really good, but in the end, Duke, U of A Michigan pretty much handled their business. The other games that were kind of fun were. Yeah. Sort of didn't matter as much. Who do you have winning it?

[D]

I've only picked one pool and I picked U of A.

[A]

You got U of A, Dave.

[C]

I pick Houston.

[A]

You picked Houston.

[D]

Houston.

[A]

They got beat by U of A last Sunday.

[C]

No, they're. They're not going to play him on this way through.

[A]

So you think U of A gets bounced early?

[C]

Yeah. Wow.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Hey, I'll just say this. I think if this is four number one, I'm just going off odds in history. I think only two number ones are going to make it.

[A]

Going to be tough. I, I don't disagree that. But getting four in there again and this year, it seems more likely than last year when it did happen. I like Duke. I just. You take the best player in basketball and you surround them with really good play.

[D]

You have to play five good. Yeah.

[A]

I just think they've got that. That team is just. I mean, look, U of A has had a couple, like, squeakers. I mean, they won a lot of games by 20 points this year.

[D]

Right.

[A]

But when they didn't play well and it happened they only lost twice, they actually turned it around. So my own argument kind of goes against myself. They didn't lose.

[D]

I think the two lost.

[A]

Yeah. And they, you know, but Duke is just one of those teams. You're like, man, and. And you have the best, by far the best single player in basketball. And I mean, that's just a tradition. I don't bet against Duke.

[C]

I look at paths. I mean, I think Houston's got an easy path.

[A]

I don't even know what the paths are. I don't know what any of the other teams are. There's four teams that I pay attention to.

[C]

This means Houston's probably going to lose to the 15.

[A]

They're a two seed.

[C]

They play Idaho.

[A]

Is Florida the other number one?

[C]

Yes.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Florida is kind of probably going to play Texas A and M. They're probably going to get Illinois or North Carolina, and that's going to. That's going to get them. That's going to get. And. And I think Florida is going to trip themselves. So I think Houston has an as easy a road as you're going to find and I think. And they've already lost to Arizona. I think, I think those. That helps.

[A]

Well, they're one and one, aren't they? Did they play earlier?

[C]

I know, but I mean losing beforehand. Yeah, it's like, it's more of a wake up call, more of hey, we gotta, this can happen, gotta be aware of this. That's it.

[A]

Yeah, I want.

[C]

But that means they're gonna lose to Idaho.

[A]

I want all the ones to lose something stupid and just have this thing be a free for all. But I do like the idea of the best teams in the end playing for the championship and that's kind of where I got Duke, you got U of A, you got Houston. So Florida's gonna win it all. Essentially what this podcast or Idaho all about. Oh yeah, let's just throw Idaho, Idaho State in that. I'm gonna throw an even lesser team out there. You said you wouldn't watch the World Baseball Classic as we taped this today. Tonight, occupied Venezuela taking on the United States of America. A little bit awkward politically to have. It'd be great if Trump flew in for this, just to show up for both his countries. I think that's pretty great. I think it's a great move.

[C]

I think I'm gonna be there for

[A]

everyone, gonna be there for Venezuela, who I love and own and maybe Cuba. Cuba might be my guest. But yeah, the. It's going to be great. And I love the game the other night. The crazy thing is, as a baseball fan, Dave, the 27 Yankees are probably the greatest lineup that's ever been assembled in baseball history. There's been a couple other monsters. The Yankees are on the other end of that, that Cincinnati Reds, the Reds, the Big Red Machine 2000s Yankee lineup. You look at that and you're like, geez, yeah. Pitching around that Seattle lineup back when they won 116 games and lost, that was a tough one. We had Griffey, Ichiro, Martinez, Buhner. I mean that this United States baseball team, I'm watching that the other night. I'm like, how do you pitch? And they can't get on base. Their home runs are nothing.

[D]

Talking about the other game.

[A]

Well, last game, two to one without prior to that. I mean they are struggling. Five runs against Canada. It's not like they're going up against Paul Skeens themselves. Skeins in the bullpen for the Americans had to throw a perfect game against the doctor. And that's a hitting machine right there.

[C]

Yeah,

[A]

I Don't know how this is going to happen tonight. If Venezuela comes in with good pitching. This. This lineup is easy to shut down. They're. They're kind of one trick ponies.

[C]

They have been shut down. I've heard how they're. They're just waiting to bust out. Well, they're waiting a long time.

[A]

Yeah. Got one game left. Do you like the pitch assist the replay?

[C]

No.

[A]

I don't either, and here's why. Everybody said the other night that the Dominican Republic game ended on a bad call. The umps can't see the box. We see they're doing. They're doing to baseball what they did with football and showing the fans stuff that people missed on the field that they never get to see. We see that stupid box. The guy missed by like a tenth of an inch.

[D]

Right.

[A]

If you go back one inning, Will Smith is batting for the U.S. and I loved what he did because he's a catcher and catchers are great at that.

[D]

This.

[A]

There was a pitch inside just a little called third strike. And he goes. And, you know, we wanted to bark, but he thought, if I bark, this hump's going to be mad and I'm going to need one of those going into the ninth. And he got it.

[C]

Well, certainly we've had. When we used to our radio sports show, we had a guy on there named Jim McNamara, came up with me in the Giant system and played in the big leagues for a couple years. And great defensive catcher. And he worked the umpire.

[A]

You have to.

[C]

And the great defensive catchers do that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And. And I. And I think it's a.

[A]

You're really the only guy the umpire can't see.

[C]

Yeah, but.

[D]

And, and you can hear him.

[A]

Oh, for sure. Talking. But I'm saying he can't see what you're working. And also you're the guy as a. As a catcher, you see the game totally different than everyone else sees it. It's. It's from a perspective you can't. So you can work the game differently, but especially a catcher at bat is that if he's been working that up for nine innings and he gets a call against him and he's the one who goes off. I'm not giving you those. The close calls are going the other way.

[D]

Let me tell you from my own personal perspective, I'm not a guy who very, very often can sit down and watch nine innings of baseball. Yeah.

[A]

Just can't follow too hard to watch

[D]

that game the other night. Oh. Against the doctor, I was riveted to it through the entire game.

[A]

USA written on the chest changes everything.

[D]

And the crowd and the atmosphere. It's great the way it started with skiings and. And who's the guy that pitched for Dr. Just.

[A]

Oh, I don't remember who even started for Rodriguez.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Was that right?

[C]

No, I just. I'm just taking a shot.

[A]

Skeens gives up the home run. Yeah. To the 7 hitter.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You're like, oh, boy. And then the great play in the end of the game when judge thought he got that home run. And, oh, my. And it was, I think, Rodriguez that ended up and grabbed that off the top of the fence.

[C]

I'm pretty sure there's a Rodriguez on

[A]

the doctor for sure.

[C]

There you go.

[A]

It was a. It was a magic game for baseball. It was an amazing baseball game. It can't happen tonight. You can't have skiings on the hill. They've got to throw another great game. And that bullpen's been amazing. But I love. I love watching great baseball. I just don't know how it's going to translate to the season again, like

[C]

I said, it's the hardest game to fix, so I'm enjoying it more and

[A]

more because I've been going to spring training this year, and they are doing a lot of reviews at the plate.

[D]

All you have to do is tap your.

[A]

Yeah. And there's a lot of them. And the umps are wrong a lot. And it makes everybody in the crowd go, oh, this guy's, you know, 91%. I'm like, Geez, that's pretty good. Give human error a little room to breathe. Because unless it's an egregious call, that's just like, my God, you missed that. Balls and strikes.

[D]

Fox Sports 1 did a good job the other night. A couple times. They showed either the catcher view.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Or the umpire view. Yeah. And you got 100 miles an hour coming in at you.

[A]

Have you stood in on that? There's a. At the BP cages right now, they've got simulators with the pitcher's arms, and you can actually go up against Suzuki or Ohtani or whatever, and it throws. And when it throws the fastball, you're like, oh, yeah, that's ridiculous. Then it'll break a curve, and it gives you his arm positioning. Like, the technology is incredible. And you'll see the arm coming over and you're like, oh, it's a curveball, because they told me. And you're not touching it. And it happens that fast. And you throw a slider at a Guy who just saw 96 miles an hour, you start swinging when it leaves his hand. Your bats on your shoulder before it even bounces. It's crazy how much. How much speed plays a part in baseball. Slow game. But that action that happens, that 66 or that 60ft, 6 inches is. You can't put these umps in these positions like this or just go completely computerized.

[C]

I'm for that because I'm annoyed by, as an ex player, one or the other.

[A]

Don't. Don't make it two or three times. You can question the guy.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Because that used to be against the rules. You get kicked out. You question balls and strikes. Now you can challenge one. What's. I mean, that's questioning balls and strikes. It drives me. Totally agree that that's as bad as it is. We got basketball happening. Obviously, nobody's. Everybody's kind of settling into their position in the NBA.

[C]

I mean, does the NBA matter? Is there anything that matters less during the Final Four?

[A]

No. The NBA takes a backseat.

[C]

It does.

[A]

It takes backseat to football while that's on. Takes a backseat to the NCAA championship while that's on. And then it kind of goes into its own, which is pretty great. One last thing before we get to the five minutes with the madman. I don't know if you guys saw the. The national news here in Arizona where our state senator was arguing with a collegiate athlete, volleyball player. Did you see this?

[C]

No.

[A]

All right, I'm interested. Already started to lecture a scholarship ncaa. Like she was an excellent player. Right. And started to talk to her about. Well, we were just raised different. I know that if I ever competed and there was a man on the team, I would want to go up against the man and I would want to do all this stuff. So she was basically arguing the point of you're just not that competitive if you can't go up against a man. I've heard that on the court.

[C]

That's nonsense.

[A]

No, I have a solution. We eliminate women's sports and make it just sports.

[C]

Well, no, then women aren't going to be playing.

[D]

That what you're doing then you're acquiescent to the few idiots out there.

[A]

Yeah, I'm tired of them.

[D]

But penalize a whole, you know, if

[A]

I didn't acquiesce to idiots, I'd never talk to Nash. Have you heard his spewing nonsense?

[D]

No, because I've heard. I've heard other politicians and say that. Well, doesn't that just make you want to compete more? No. In volleyball, that one girl Almost got

[A]

her head knocked off.

[C]

Like, I'm, I'm, I'm. I'm not interested in women's sports at all. But it's, you know, more power to them if they want to.

[A]

I totally.

[C]

And men should not be getting, you know, into their.

[A]

But if. At all. If we're arguing at all politically. And this is the reason I say this, it's gone on for like, what, four or five years now. Common sense has not taken hold of this argument yet. There's a reason 7 year olds don't play the freshmen, and it isn't because they're incapable. It's because the distribution of weight.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The basic biology of human bodies. You were putting one at harm. Now, is there a possibility a 7 year old is advanced and grown to the. He can compete against kids that age? It's a, It's a thin razor.

[D]

It's less than 1%.

[A]

Who are we talking about? To keep this argument going this long, Some.

[D]

Some strong Democrat needs to stand up

[A]

and say, knock it off. Or someone needs to say, because this is how absurd people deal with things. Okay, fine. I agree. Men and women should play in each other's sports. Let's get rid of the W's. Let's get rid of the L's and just have the pga, the NBA. Just. That's it. And if you make the team, you're right. You proved your point. And, and then every. And then women will be like, well, we don't want that. Don't do that. Or.

[D]

But it's not women.

[A]

It's politicians. I know.

[C]

They need to be the ones.

[A]

Brittney Griner stood up to boogie cousins at one point and said, I'm playing. Hey, there are too many idiots talking.

[C]

That guy's a guy. Great player.

[A]

Oh, Brittany. Yeah. You. I do an impression. Have you ever heard my impression of Britney Griner? No. How you doing, Charles? Everything all right?

[D]

Pretty much.

[A]

It's almost the exact same.

[D]

But when I look at that, as a. As a father of two girls who both played sports, I can't imagine for the life of me a dude. This is only high school. It's not college. Obviously, you're lead athletes in college, but all of a sudden a high school kid decides he's transgender or he's changing his sex. He wants to change in their locker rooms. I would lose my ever flipping mind.

[A]

I just don't get how the athletes aren't saying enough.

[D]

How are the Williams sisters? How are the highest of profile women's athletes not standing up?

[A]

They did. I Think it was. Serena at one point said, I would lose to, like, the number 600 ranked men's player. It's not a fair fight. He beat her.

[C]

Yeah. Smoking a cigarette.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, it is a different game. And it isn't saying men are better. We've lost the plot.

[C]

Well, men are. Men are bigger, faster, stronger. It's just. That's sports.

[A]

The Olympics, they don't run together for a reason. No woman would ever win. And I don't know why we have this argument and make it seem like it's misogyny to just say we're a little bit different than you. You know, what you're better at. We don't complain about.

[C]

You know, I'll just say women are better at almost everything else.

[A]

I'm not going to go that.

[C]

Oh, I'm. Listen, they're. They are the better half. I'm serious.

[A]

We're talking sports here.

[C]

No, sports.

[A]

That.

[C]

Nothing.

[A]

I mean, calm it down then.

[C]

I'm talking about in life. They are a better half.

[A]

I knew it was the.

[D]

They do everything better with that. We don't go, hey, I'm gonna. I'm gonna cut off my. My wiener, and I want to go dress with women.

[A]

Yeah. You don't even have to.

[C]

I mean, we were just. You know, we just did our show called the Real Matrix.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And the. The movie. The Matrix.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, the guys that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wrote it.

[A]

Wachowskis.

[C]

They're not guys anymore.

[A]

They're Lana and I forgot. Is that another L? Yeah.

[D]

How does he know this?

[C]

Lana and I can't remember.

[A]

Lily. It's Lily. That's Lily Wachowski. The Wachowski brothers are girls now.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Not married.

[D]

No, they're still married.

[A]

Oh, to the guys that were.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Or to the women they were with.

[C]

Yeah, we had that argument. How do you. What's weirder? Staying married to a guy that wants to be a girl or meeting a guy that is now a girl and saying, hey, let's get married.

[A]

You know, it's just true love. You can't stop it. You can't start it. Like a car. You can't stop with a gun. Dave,

[C]

what's weirder to you? I don't get it. He knows nothing about.

[A]

If we started weird and made judgment on what's weird, I would be here for years. I just understand logic, and logic to me doesn't apply in any of this stuff. And why these D League players that can't break into the dub or into the NBA can't turn and Go. How come I'm not allowed in your league? These guys who are like, I've been busting my hump in NBA basketball forever. I can't make a career out of it because nobody will give me a chance. I can make your league. Oh, no, it's just women only. Suddenly there's going to be barriers. The one thing I did like about the lady yesterday in the Arizona Senate was she was saying men instead of trans or anything like that. This argument needs to end, and it needs to end with some absurd solution that everybody just goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are we doing? And I think a huge takeaway is the only answer. You just take it all away. You take the. It's like kids, you know what? Enough. Take them away. You don't get this anymore.

[C]

Said this a thousand years ago with him and his sports and. And that's the easiest rule. If you were born a guy.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Want to be a guy? Think you're a guy or was ever. Or ever wore. Guys. You play against guys.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

That's it.

[B]

Pure and simple.

[A]

Just a DNA test and whatever comes back, the X's and the Y's and the chromosomes and things like that, that's the league you go in. And if you're one of those weird ones that's like xxy and they're like, what are you. Sorry, we're just going to go ahead and move you to the side. That's just the way it works.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Just like you do your balls in a dress. We're going to move those to the side.

[C]

Very nice.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you. That's what I'm here for. That ought to do it for us. We got five minutes with a madman. Until we get to that. My name's John Holmberg from 98 KUPD. There's Dale Hellistray, three time world champion of the Dallas Cowboys and co host of the main event with Steve McCollum. And now I leave you five minutes with a Madman with Dave Nash.

[C]

I don't think there's five minutes or enough. So I'm just going to tease you because we're going to do. I'm going to do another show on. So it's going to be next week, too. We can talk about it. But there's. There's a. There's an area called North Russia, China, called Tartaria. And a lot of the buildings that are built. You watch the Olympics, right? And every time they show. They showed that huge church.

[A]

Yeah, it's.

[C]

It's like, who built that?

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

When do they build that?

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

You go around and you world's fairs in 1900.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

There was building. There was buildings that were 20 acres large. Huge that these huge monolithic buildings. You can go anywhere in the City hall in Pennsylvania. Huge monstrosity built with granite and marble and it's all put together. How did they do this? With horse and buggy.

[A]

The pyramids.

[C]

Same thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So my point.

[A]

So we were older pyramids before the pyramids in the Sudan. Tons of them.

[C]

Agree. So who built all this stuff and where did the technology go?

[A]

The Tartanians.

[D]

I looked at it. Yale University. Yeah. Open in 1701. Yeah.

[C]

And. And we showed a bunch of buildings from sure. Yale University that are just monolithic. They're beautiful. Yes.

[A]

Notre Dame that burned down a couple years ago was from the 1300s. Right.

[D]

Statues, sharp edges, high ceiling, gorgeous marble.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

With what it would take. John Holmberg started because construction company I could do it. I I, I, I, I made the comparison like a stadium. You do a football stadium. It's not nearly as the A's are

[C]

still don't have a stadium in. It's a baseball stadium.

[A]

Coliseum in Rome has held up.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

That was a. I mean you look at Roman architecture in the Chinese architecture. There is a. I want to get into this then I want to know about this place. I'm on this kick that you'll love and we'll get into that. We'll do another thing of how this guy is trying to prove that before the flood there were titans.

[C]

We, I talked to, I talked to

[A]

him about this and he and he shows some fairly compelling Google Maps pictures of of like Devil's Mountain being a dragon. And then you're like, I'm an idiot for watching this. There's a dragon in there.

[C]

Well I, I didn't show it in the show today and we'll do knows that. But you see all these old architecture buildings with, with doors that are 20ft high.

[A]

Well, Stonehenge isn't even from that area.

[C]

Why would they have.

[A]

What is your what is your thought? To tease and finish it. What is your thought? Who did it?

[C]

Well, I told Dale. I don't really want to.

[A]

Well, listen, just one word, Dave.

[C]

If you think we're the. Everyone that's on this planet was born on this planet.

[A]

Oh, I don't, I don't. Yeah, that's not it. There's no way.

[C]

So, so aliens.

[A]

Correct. Saying the word aliens.

[C]

I'm going to say it.

[A]

We'll leave it right there. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next time.

[B]

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