S E30: The Sports Thing Podcast w/Holmberg, Hellestrae And Nash - Episode 30 - 03-25-26

Summary

The Sports Thing Podcast w/Holmberg, Hellestrae & Nash

Episode 30, March 30, 2026
Main Theme:
A spirited weekly roundtable on American sports—with a particular focus on Arizona teams—featuring radio host John Holmberg, former Dallas Cowboy Dale Hellestrae, and media personality Dave Nash. This episode covers March Madness (men’s and women’s brackets), sports culture and psychology, the youth sports industry, NFL wide receiver "diva" syndrome, recent NBA/Suns thoughts, and wades into eclectic side-discussions on history, conspiracy, and what it means to build cathedrals without toilets.

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March Madness Breakdown and Tournament Culture

Brackets, Upsets, and Team Psychology

• Bracket Check-In:

  • Dave Nash leads his bracket pool; Holmberg is technically leading his own despite being ranked third due to scenarios on remaining teams ([02:50]-[03:20]).
  • Conversation focuses on how favorites are trending and the impact of NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) money on college basketball’s "top-heaviness."
    • “My theory is now with NIL, it’s going to be so top heavy, it’s almost going to be like the girls’ tournament.”—John Holmberg [03:20]

• Arizona vs. Arkansas Preview:

  • Nash picks Arkansas over Arizona citing guard play and history of U of A underperforming in big tournaments ([04:46]-[07:59]).
    • “History matters, and Arizona usually finds a way to lose.”—Dave Nash [07:56]
  • Holmberg and Hellestrae debate whether “black cloud” culture haunts programs, regardless of changing players or coaches.

• Depth Matters:

  • Discussion on rosters, with Arizona’s bench depth highlighted as elite ([06:30]-[07:40]).
    • “When you’ve got two sets of five that could start on any other team... depth is such a huge thing in college.”—Holmberg [06:39]

• Coaching as X-Factor:

  • Nash points to Arkansas coach’s experience as another upset factor ([10:01]-[10:35]).
    • “He’s got a lot of experience... that gives them a great ability to pull off the upset.”—Nash [10:31]

• NIL & Team Spending:

  • NIL money compared to team success. Example: Kentucky with high spending being knocked out, showing spending doesn’t always bring wins ([11:40]-[12:10]).
    • “The teams that spend the most don’t always win—and usually flame out.”—Holmberg [11:48]

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Women’s College Basketball: Format, Dominance, and Suggestions

• Bracket Parity:

  • Jokes about the massive scoring disparities and lack of need for a 64-team women’s bracket ([24:16]-[28:22]).
    • “There’s no need for 64 women’s teams... you use a smaller ball, lower the rims... maybe a Sweet 16 to start.”—Holmberg [24:17]

• Talent Pool & Elite Teams:

  • UConn, South Carolina, and LSU seen as the only perennial powers; rest of the field considerably weaker ([25:55]-[26:03])
    • “You’ve got three really good teams. Yes, that’s it.”—Hellestrae [25:55]
  • Calls for changes to improve competitiveness (lower the rim, fewer teams).

• Comparison to Historic Men’s Dominance:

  • Reference to 1970s UCLA men’s dominance and how men’s tournament also used to be smaller ([27:05]-[27:17]).

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Youth Sports Industry: Club Teams, Costs, and Reality

The High Cost and Questionable Value of Youth Sports

• Escalating Expenses:
  • Stories shared of friends spending $30,000/year on youth sports like traveling cheer and hockey, justified by coaches’ claims of high scholarship odds ([35:05]-[36:58])
    • “Why would you spend that? He goes, oh, the coach gets scholarships for their college at a 70% rate.”—Holmberg [36:36]
• Dale on Multi-Sport Athletes:
  • Hellestrae emphasizes the importance of playing multiple sports in high school for better college recruitment and athletic development ([37:12]-[38:33])
    • “Any kid—unless you’re a 6'7" getting recruited Division 1—should play multiple sports. You become a better athlete.”—Hellestrae [38:33]
• Doubting the Club System:
  • Major skepticism about paid club sports versus real development. Professional athletes often were discovered due to pure athleticism, not expensive club participation ([42:04]-[44:15]).
    • “If you’re good enough, they’ll pay you. And that is not going to help... In the NBA, none of us played club league.”—Holmberg quoting Tyus Thomas [42:33]

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NFL Topic: Why Are Top Wide Receivers “Divas”?

Psychological and Cultural Factors

• Receiver 'Diva' Syndrome:
  • Wide receiver Puka Nacua’s off-field issues spark discussion of why many top receivers become problems after early success ([47:03]-[49:04])
    • “He was the most consistent guy... zero problems. Then, they paid him.”—Holmberg on Antonio Brown [48:52]
• Money and Ego:
  • “Face of the franchise” syndrome kicks in after big contracts—ego and behavior issues ramp up, despite prior humility ([49:04]-[50:23])
    • “He had never been a problem before. They gave him a new contract, and it just fed him danger, ego.”—Holmberg [49:30]
• Organizational Hypocrisy:
  • Gale notes teams only tolerate off-field trouble for stars, not rank-and-file; hypocrisy of “end racism” slogans juxtaposed with actual team actions ([55:04]-[56:48])
    • “If you’re the long snapper and say it—‘we won’t tolerate this.’ But if it’s Puka... he’s staying, we had a talk with him.”—Holmberg [56:48]
• Madden and Social Media:
  • Speculation that Madden video game ratings have increased self-awareness and ego in players, especially receivers ([55:48]-[56:05]).

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NBA Check-In: Phoenix Suns/Toughness, Devin Booker, and Playoff Picture

Suns’ Struggles and Leadership

• Injuries Derailing Progress:
  • Suns’ recent losing streak, injuries, and missing team “toughness” ([58:46]-[60:25])
    • “Their injuries and using so many young guys has finally caught up.”—Holmberg [60:02]
• Devin Booker Commentary:
  • Booker's late-game heroics questioned, with critique on his defense/off-ball attention and decision making ([61:04]-[62:54])
    • “First, stop taking end of the game shots—he gets double teamed, get rid of the ball. He faces no criticism.”—Hellestrae [61:04]
• NBA Playoffs Outlook:
  • Acknowledgment that Suns as a lower seed are more vulnerable than hopeful; other Western teams "loading up" for the postseason ([63:06]-[64:50])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “If you’re good enough, they’ll pay you—you don’t have to pay.”—Holmberg [42:33]
• “You don’t get recruited for doing ‘be great at one sport’—play as many as you can in high school.”—Hellestrae [38:33]
• “Women’s college basketball—no need for 64 teams, start with Sweet 16... the Final Four is actually good.”—Holmberg [24:17]/[26:11]
• “The Suns are snakebit as far as injury... you get Brooks back, you got a different animal here.”—Hellestrae [60:25]
• “If you’re 45 or higher on the totem pole—watch your P’s and Q’s.”—Hellestrae quoting Jimmy Johnson [55:30]

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Side Conversations and Pop Culture Sidelights

On Historic Buildings & Modern Mysteries (Madman Segment)

• The 'No Toilets' Conspiracy:
  • Nash brings up the mystery of ornate historic buildings (like cathedrals and world’s fair palaces) lacking toilets, suggesting it raises deeper questions about technological priorities in history ([72:19]-[76:57])
    • “Could build these massive structures, but couldn’t make a toilet system... How does that make sense?”—Nash [73:58]

On Memorabilia Ownership

• Olympic Hockey Puck Debate:
  • Should Hall of Fame or athlete own a historic game-winning puck? Spirited opinions about who “deserves” the memento ([67:30]-[71:30])
    • “He should be allowed to sell it and enjoy, like any baseball player... That should be his.”—Holmberg [69:05]
    • “It’s a historic item... should be to be seen by people.”—Nash [68:59]

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Quickfire: Other Notables

• Phoenix Suns & NBA: Thoughts on star dating drama impacting locker room (Odell Beckham/Kendall Jenner/Devin Booker), the pressure of being the team’s leader, and the impact of injuries and fatigue ([53:08]-[65:09]).
• Streaming & Sports Consumption: Complaints about the proliferation of paid streaming for live sports ([66:13]-[67:00]).
• Parenting & Extracurriculars: Emphasis on balancing cost, effort, and genuine developmental value in youth activities ([41:10]-[44:15]).

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Summary in a Nutshell

This episode covers the unpredictability and culture of March Madness, deeply questions the value of youth club sports, analyzes the "diva" traits of NFL wide receivers, and debates who should own sports memorabilia. Crafting a fun, candid, sometimes opinionated roundtable, the hosts combine serious insight with irreverent banter—mixing thoughtful sports analysis with observations on parenting, culture, and a healthy dose of skepticism for sports and historical conventions.

Transcript

[John Holmberg]

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[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

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[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

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[Dale Hellastray]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

To introduce the angry patriot is first. Now Dave Nash sits next to me, the host of the Real Matrix. And you know more and more other than the maybe the health advice, I think you're onto something. But you've been sick since I've known you.

[Dave Nash]

I challenge anyone. I'm just giving information. I challenge anyone to give me a reason why what I've said is an act.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, because you've been slowly dying in front of us the whole time while you tell us all the things that you're doing to stay healthy. I think that's the only thing. You got me on the moon. You got me on a lot of the 911 stuff. But this whole ivermectin thing I think might be causing you to die.

[Dave Nash]

Well, this is from childhood vaccines that. Oh, okay.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

That's a good spin.

[Dave Nash]

It disrupted my immune system and now you're screwed. I have been sickly with like Coles and this for my entire life.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Okay.

[Dave Nash]

Entire life.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And you blame the vaccines, huh? You say vaccines for sure.

[Dave Nash]

Vaccine wrecked my immune system.

[Dale Hellastray]

All right.

[Dave Nash]

Early on.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Interesting. And but Halls has a good product that you believe in.

[Dave Nash]

I listen. We'll see how Many times I coughed it today. We'll try it. You can call it after.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah. On the other side of Dave the angry patriot is three time world champion Dale Hellas tray from the Dallas Cowboys and host of the main event with Steve McCollum right here at this beautiful little network. Whatever this is. So you can have themainevent.com you can go there.

[Dale Hellastray]

You see it's a robot.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I know.

[Dale Hellastray]

It's good stuff.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Major things everywhere. You can get a podcast. It's there and you can do that including this one. Let's get right to this whole thing. March madness is upon us. How the brackets.

[Dave Nash]

I'm leading mine.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I'm in third. Still have the three of the four. Final four.

[Dave Nash]

Are you going to. Dale can prove it.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, I believe you.

[Dale Hellastray]

Well, you're in the third but who are you with? Wife and kids.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Not all things are a conspiracy. We believe you when you say you're leading.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah. Yeah, you're third. Yeah, you're third or you're leading. He's first.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I'm third in mind but I'm technically first because the guys ahead of me have already. Have already lost. They one had Florida and the other one had some wacky. Oh, then you're something. So I'm like, yeah, I've got.

[Dale Hellastray]

You didn't pick Florida.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

No, well, I did pick Florida. That's my one of the final four that's out. So I did like we talked about last time I, I stayed heavy favorites. Had an entire region that I got right for two rounds. Pretty much picking all favorites. Dance around the 98. The only stat that's actually coming true again and will never change because my theory is now with nil. It's going to be so top heavy. It's almost going to be like the girls tournament.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

The nine and the eight and the nine win 70% of the time. It is a gambling anomaly but it is the nine and that's a coin toss.

[Dale Hellastray]

Well, yeah, because I think when you're making the selections you're going okay, hey, they're there now.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I don't even know how. Like sometimes the play in game the winner's the seven seat. They're barely in it and they're going to jump all the way up there.

[Dale Hellastray]

So the 11th seed I think is.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah, they'll bounce into this. Like how are they not the last place? If they're worthy of the 11, just let them have it. But yeah, it's an interesting thing. So I'm doing well in the brackets but I do see this is Going to boil down to maybe three number ones. Definitely two, I would guess. I mean barring some. And I think Michigan having a little scare and Duke having a little scare and Arizona playing okay but getting through. All better for them as this progresses.

[Dale Hellastray]

They found a way to win a game in advance and. And that's all you want to do. So now you live to see this weekend and it'll be interesting. Arizona plays Arkansas tomorrow.

[Dave Nash]

I don't think. I don't think. I think Arkansas is going to win.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You think Arkansas beats Arizona?

[Dave Nash]

Here's my thought process from my 55 years of gambling.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You've been gambling since you're a baby.

[Dale Hellastray]

Has no immune system.

[Dave Nash]

My dad was a bookie.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It doesn't mean you picked it up as a baby. He.

[Dave Nash]

He gave me those parlay cards when I was like five, six years old.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Really? Yeah, I used to get them when I was. Yeah, the ones where you picked all the team.

[Dave Nash]

Maybe six, seven.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I was five or six. Picking my dad's football teams. Well, but I didn't know what I was doing.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, I. I did. I was in this course.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Did not understand that at five.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, well, that was probably seven. Seven.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You still picked up like the gambling nuances of like. Well, their defense is number three against the rush.

[Dave Nash]

I don't know. But I had my best year, best week ever. I picked. You know, there's like usually 13, 14 games. I picked. I always, always pick four teamers. Yeah, they pay nine to one. And I. I had two winners. I had four for four. Four for four and three for four. The only loss was a tie. Ties were lost.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

This was second grade there.

[Dave Nash]

Second, third grade.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

No kidding. And dad's like, this kid's an ace.

[Dale Hellastray]

You know what?

[Dave Nash]

It was beginner's luck, whatever.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, of course. But you're still hanging on to that.

[Dale Hellastray]

Okay, so. So we got off on it. What makes you say Arizona's gonna lose?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Oh, there's that.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

With your 7. He saw the future, I think.

[Dave Nash]

I think guard plays important. I think Arkansas's guards. That very true. Young. What's it, a cliff or.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

Best player left in the tournament.

[Dave Nash]

You know what? I think it'll come down to guard play. And I think Arkansas's guards are better.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

U of A is just so deep. Like that's the thing about the three big teams left is depth. You. Michigan had a little trouble with St. Louis and they put.

[Dave Nash]

You can only play five guys at one time.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I know, but when you've got two, two sets of five that could start on Any other team.

[Dale Hellastray]

And.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And that St. Louis team, the Billikens, were kind of fun. They had that fat dude who was, like, outrageously good at basketball.

[Dave Nash]

If this was a AAU tournament and they're playing six, seven games a day, I'd like Arizona. See, I only play one a day,

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

but you're watching, like, again, St. Louis had their five in, and it's 62 to 60. And then, you know, everybody gets a rest And Michigan puts four new guys and St. Louis does, too. And you just watch the disparity of, like, their next five versus the St. Louis's next five. You're like, okay, this is where the games get won by 20. Is that you. You don't get a break. And all those other college teams until you get to U of A. Arizona, Duke, Houston. There's a couple else. Like, man, these guys can run seven at you. But depth is such a huge thing in college because most teams have one or two really good players. Couple guys that are, like, above the fray, and then the rest of the team is, you know, pick and pull from any other team. Not Michigan and certainly not Arizona.

[Dave Nash]

Like, it's not like Arkansas is Idaho.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

No, they're good.

[Dave Nash]

Long Island.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I just don't see them having all the. They. They. Again, they do have possibly the best player in the tournament.

[Dave Nash]

And the other thing I'm going to say is history matters.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And Arizona usually finds a way to lose.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Very true.

[Dave Nash]

Well, I'm going with that, too.

[Dale Hellastray]

And I got a bunch of guys who went as friends that went to U of A and follow them live and breathe and die. And every game they play, you should see them. They're on pins and needles. Because history tells you U of A will find a way to screw it up.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Recent history leads to future history. Or that becomes the future of the Buffalo Bills. A perfect example. What you guys did to them in the last couple Super Bowls.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Made it so years down the road, their playoff games were like, oh, boy. And it was all new guys, new coaches, new everything. But that cloud lingers.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And U of A has had several. I mean, we're talking Loot Olson days. Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

First round knockouts.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And it didn't matter that they won A championship in 97. They lost again a couple years later as a number two seed to a number of.

[Dale Hellastray]

Well, then they got knocked out as a number one.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

16. They're the first time it ever happened. Right.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And so it stays with them. No matter who the coach is or anything else. It sticks around. Like, Dave's always Talking about culture. That's a big one. When. When. When you're a black cloud culture. The Cubs. I mean, there's teams all throughout sports that have had that. No matter who you put on the floor.

[Dale Hellastray]

Here's my one argument about U of A is the majority of their great players are freshmen. They really don't know about past. They're just young knuckleheads going out and playing basketball and.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But then they become freshmen who were, like, not ready and then they get bounced in something. But I think they've hit that mark now where. If they lost, Arkansas would be a tough one to swallow, but understandable. Anything after this, if they. If they beat Arkansas and move on, they're okay. It's not. It's not. It's. It's a deserved loss. They're going to play a team that could beat them. Losing to someone they shouldn't lose to is who they've been.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Losing at any point after Arkansas is a team they should be. If they get past Arkansas, then it's fine. Losing to Arkansas. If Dave's right.

[Dave Nash]

So I mentioned guard play.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And then I'm also going to mention. It depends where you fall on this is coaching. John Calpari is a lot of experience now. Yeah. I talked to people who say he's a clown and he's done this and that. He's. That. What has he done? But he's got a lot of experience. He's been there a lot. That, to me, gives them. That. That gives them a great ability to pull off the upset. So because I'm not sitting here saying, oh, Arkansas should win, I'm just saying a lot of things are pointing to an upset for me.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I can see it. I wouldn't say you're wrong if it happens. I did. Like, I watched Calipari on 60 Minutes a few years ago and they were asking him questions about, like, how do you feel that your graduation rate's so low? And he goes, I graduated five guys to the NBA as sophomores. And he said, they're making more money than anybody who's going to this college ever will.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And he goes, that's my job, is to prepare them for why they're here. And if I'm getting them, they don't need to stay here for four years and do that. And I'm like, he's the first one that ever said it.

[Dale Hellastray]

Says that out loud.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah. Exactly. What we all know. It's like, you can go to school if you want to.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But you're 20 years old. And somebody just offered you millions of dollars to do what you love doing. And the reason you're in college is that I think that's a success.

[Dale Hellastray]

Well, you look at it and you know the guy in Arkansas, he's probably not even taking class. He signed up for classes this second semester, but all you need to do is remain eligible through December. Yeah. And then you can do whatever you want. Yes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah. And you just own that time.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And it's, it's, it's.

[Dale Hellastray]

And the other thing that is interesting is there's been some polls out there. Not polls, but lists of like nil money.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

And. And the teams that.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, Kentucky left was the most expensive team and they're gone.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It doesn't always work. And it's funny how that usually is the case. The teams that spend the most don't always win.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And. Or usually flame out. The Suns were an example of that last year. They were the second highest paid franchise in all sports in America. They had the dodgers, Suns, Yankees, $430 million payroll in basketball. And they didn't make the playoffs.

[Dale Hellastray]

No.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

So a lot of times that, that money thing is just put together a

[Dale Hellastray]

roster to guys will play together and all that.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It's hitting 400 yard drives, but you can't putt. Doesn't matter. You can't score.

[Dave Nash]

I'm gonna get back. So who do you have winning your.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I have Duke in mine.

[Dave Nash]

Okay.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And I'm feeling good about it because the guys ahead of me don't know. The guy that's right behind me in the pole in the pool has Arizona.

[Dave Nash]

Okay, then you should feel comfortable.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

We're in a. You think they're out, you know. Okay.

[Dave Nash]

I think you should feel comfortable. Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

With about five minutes left in that first dude game, you weren't feeling comfortable. No.

[Dave Nash]

Well, again, I'm not even sure I'll tell you. I have Houston and why I have Houston. Because they're gritty players. You don't have a lot of shine and flash. They're gritty players with a. With one of what I think is one of the best coaches in college basketball.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah. But that's U of A. U of A is not glitter and glitz. They're. They, they're.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

When I watch U of A play,

[Dave Nash]

you know what they remind me of? Like a big old guy on a farm who.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Of a trip.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. Tripping through stuff. You know, you think, wow, that guy's big. And that guy's. And then you talk to him and you go, wait a Minute this guy can't speak English. And that's kind of.

[Dale Hellastray]

They speak English as long as they can put the ball in the back.

[Dave Nash]

Just what I'm saying is that they. They sure looks like a specimen. That Arizona sure looks like a team that should go all the way every year. And for some reason, once you get closer to it.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

You start. You start seeing he's got a big zit on his nose and. And he's got hair coming out of his ears.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It's like you're basically saying that U of A is like a lady boy in Taiwan. At first you're like, this looks beautiful. And then you realize as you get closer, something's not quite right.

[Dave Nash]

The bars. You hang out in there a little different.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

No, I don't go. I'm just, you know. Come on, look, you're the one who knows what a lady boy is, just like me. Let's not brought it up. I know because I know I'm in a room of people who know it's okay. But you do. You get into those things, like what Dale said about U of A and having that black cloud. And there are teams again. You always look at the bills and it's like they say it's hard luck. Oh. They keep running into these walls and keep having these problems.

[Dale Hellastray]

It's.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It's. It's the uniform. At a certain point, it's just the A. So everybody is sort of waiting for their wheels to fall off. Difference with U of A is they've actually won it. It's just they've been expected to win it so often.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And they've been bounced out and in years when they were actually better than the team that won it.

[Dale Hellastray]

Oh.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Which was the Richard Jefferson. That was a good team. 97.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But there's been better since.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And they didn't.

[Dave Nash]

How about the story of Nebraska? Well, are you following that?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Not really. Oh.

[Dave Nash]

Well, they. They were the only, I think, Division 1 team that never had.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Oh, that. I thought you were saying they had something else deeper in that.

[Dave Nash]

Well, they never had a win, and now they. Now they're in a sweet 16. The coach's kid is the bat, is the starting guard.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

See, I start going down your road with this because the NCAA football story of Indiana is so similar, and it was such a huge money machine for ratings and storytelling and everything else that they. It feels manufactured that Nebraska suddenly is like, my God, we've got another one. And it's not a small school and it's not a sportless school. Just like Indiana. It's just where they've never thrived before.

[Dave Nash]

But again, what I love about that them. And love watching them is they all speak English. Well, no, it's not. That was just a. Just a metaphor for, you know, I mean, what's wrong here?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Sure.

[Dave Nash]

But no one's going to be going on from that team to play in the NBA. But they all play well as a team. And the coach, I mean the coach's son, six foot. Yeah, six foot. Nothing but smart basketball player. I enjoy that. And I don't.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

Understand how other people couldn't enjoy that. And you got. You got a bunch of. Bunch of guys that don't look like they could win anything. And they were. I think they started year 25 and 0 or something.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

See, I like domination of teams. Like, I don't want to see some Hickory High School Hooers nonsense every once

[Dale Hellastray]

in a while it's kind of give

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

me to the sweet 16 and then get out of the way. You're wrecking.

[Dave Nash]

Don't worry, they might get out of the way. They have a good. I mean, listen, they're playing. They're the highest seed right now.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

What you're saying is it's. It's fun. I'm saying it's fun. It's adorable. And I want it to go away. It's like a kid screaming at a baseball game. First inning, it's third inning. I want him home.

[Dave Nash]

What team are you looking at in this tournament that is dominant?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Michigan, U of A. And not necessarily in their games they've played, but you look at their rosters and the way it's played, Michigan, U of A and Duke.

[Dave Nash]

You brought up like UNLV years ago at heart, where they would just dominate people.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah, I loved it.

[Dave Nash]

Okay. And I have. I have no problem with that either. Watching that is great. I don't care how talented these teams are. I don't see anyone that is like, oh, my God, I think they're going to win by 30 tonight and every night.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I want. I want greatness. I don't want.

[Dave Nash]

Well, it's not happening this year.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I don't want some movie from Disney in a few years.

[Dale Hellastray]

That's. Yeah, but see, then you talk out of both sides of your mouth. I know in the mid-90s you didn't appreciate the Dallas Cowboys and greatness.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You didn't appreciate a certain aspect of greatness I will hate.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I do believe that the dominant, especially in March Madness, I want to see. And it's mainly because I got Some stake in the game. I got. I got number one seeds all through my final four. So it's like I don't need this team coming in here drunk uncle in a way. At my March Madness bracket. I got a. I got some bragging rights in a week or so. If this goes over. There's some decent money in it.

[Dave Nash]

I actually picked Iowa and Nebraska to get here and I actually picked Iowa over Nebraska and I'm pissed about it.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You went.

[Dave Nash]

I'm rooting for Nebraska.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You want Nebraska to beat Iowa? I want that whole thing to just end.

[Dave Nash]

One of the things is a local girl here.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

Is dating the starting guard.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Oh, really?

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

What else do you spill the tea.

[Dave Nash]

Well, they're going to probably get married. Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

How do you know this?

[Dave Nash]

She went to high school here with my daughter and she was a cheerleader at Nebraska.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And he's done well for himself then.

[Dave Nash]

And. Well, Fred Hoiberg's kid. So he's going to go into coaching.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Oh, for sure.

[Dave Nash]

He's got it. He's got a great future.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I don't know.

[Dave Nash]

I.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

That's good for him. And I hope his life's good.

[Dave Nash]

Y.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

He'll sell insurance or whatever those kids do after they graduate. Whatever. A high school coach. And he'll hopefully take.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, that's fine too.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Ragtag group, super tribes.

[Dave Nash]

High school coach.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Plenty is there. Yeah. Yeah. Because it can't be your end goal. Nobody as a kid goes, what do you want to do for a living? I only coach.

[Dave Nash]

Pretty sure Fred Hoiberg isn't. Or Fred Hoiberg's kid.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

Sam isn't going to be stuck in high school.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Okay, then. Then you're with me. That it's not an end goal and he should achieve more.

[Dave Nash]

Well, I don't think he's even going to be starting in high school.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Want more. But than that, I'm just.

[Dave Nash]

You know, I just wanted to point out to all the listeners that you look down on high school coach. I look.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Of course I do.

[Dave Nash]

Okay.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

If. Because they don't have no ambition after a certain time, it's like, this is enough for you.

[Dave Nash]

Teaching our youngest the values of sports and competition and dedication and hard work. That might be one of the most important things that happen in school.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Noble. Until you're there too long and then you're just not a very good coach because nobody came to get you.

[Dave Nash]

Okay.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

That's all. And if you don't have any ambition to get out of that, then you go to college and then you're like, you know what? I'm pretty good at this now. I can teach men how to be better men. You can go down that noble thing all day long. I don't like ragtag Disney nonsense. I don't like coach that's been here for 100 years. That just means nobody wanted him. That's all I see. I want domination.

[Dale Hellastray]

All right, how about we get this thing back on track?

[Dave Nash]

No, we don't talk about Hoyburn.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I don't know how that happened. I don't know how that happened. I'm interested. I'm not gonna lie. Watching a lot of Real Housewives and this whole thing with the Mormon wives is just a fantastic side. If you want to go down that road, I can talk that, too.

[Dave Nash]

I do not have time for that.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Oh, I don't either. And I'm making time. It's awesome. She's throwing chairs at people. It's better than watching Nebraska play basketball too much longer. It is. It's annoying when that happens. And it's cute until, you know, it's

[Dale Hellastray]

funny how people think about that, because some people like the dinosaurs, but like, Golden State, Kansas City, they were cute. They were fun to watch.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It gets old.

[Dale Hellastray]

And then after one or two championships,

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

it's like, you can also have a dynasty that's. That's, you know, the evil empire, the Patriots, the Cowboys. Some people say the Steelers, but they're wrong. You have these. You have these teams where they're divisively good. Your team was so good. We hated you. It was hard to get past you.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And the only team that we had to root for to get the Cowboys out of the way most of the time were the 49ers. Another one where you're like, enough of you. So that was a tough era that you just wanted some upstart from the AFC to come in. They didn't have anybody deep down. Steelers made a run. It was a good game. Come on. I mean, this was like, just enough of this. So people, you know, and that's why people cheered when you guys were getting beat in the end. And that's, you know, it's a good feeling for you. March Madness is different because it's like, I want to see the best team win the thing in the end. I don't want to see some stupid feel good story about a nun that's been cheering for him since 1804.

[Dale Hellastray]

Oh, come on. You miss that, don't you?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You know what's great about that? It proved my point. She had absolutely no special powers that team never won. Where they get to elite 8 and get.

[Dale Hellastray]

She had suspects rather be over 100 years old still be able to go to basketball games.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

He's gonna make it.

[Dale Hellastray]

No, he's not. He ain't making it to 100.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

That's true. Even he wouldn't take that back 100 more hours.

[Dave Nash]

Maybe I don't even want to make it to him.

[Dale Hellastray]

No.

[Dave Nash]

Do you?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Good Lord, no.

[Dave Nash]

People. You know I've got my mom over 90.

[Dale Hellastray]

It's like. And your mom's in good shape.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I can't do it. I can't. I don't even want to know. I'm. Look again. We're about the end for me now. I'm fine with that. No argument seems right. Let's get into. Well here's the other thing. They have girls college basketball and I saw very. I know hilarious thing the other day. They were talking about one of. I'll talk about what I think you think I'm going to do. They talked about how in. In one of the online brackets for the men's league there were like 300 million brackets filled out and only two remained perfect.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And High Point beating Wisconsin early was the big one. Like nobody. Everybody thought High Point was a misprint. No one had ever heard of it. It sounds like a bad John Lovitz comedy about a high school that you know. You know high school.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

High Point isn't. It's a thing. I don't even know where it is or what they're doing. They beat Wisconsin killed it and they're like we're down to two perfect after two rounds. Two perfect. What's he looking at? Who won?

[Dave Nash]

I had High Point pick.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You picked High Point just to be a jerk. You don't know where High point.

[Dave Nash]

They were 30 and four going in. I like it.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Miami and Ohio was undefeated again. Or one one loss and they've gotten. They were the 16 seed. It doesn't matter in your record when you're playing.

[Dave Nash]

You know their little. That High point guard is.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It was Whip.

[Dale Hellastray]

Okay.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Beyond that.

[Dave Nash]

Okay.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It was Wisconsin going High Point. We'll sleepwalk through this.

[Dave Nash]

A team with double digit losses had some really big Wins but proved 10 losses.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I'll give it to you. They don't not that consistent mentally. They're not there. And they looked at High Point and thought nobody's ever heard. I I'm with you. It's a good pick. But you.

[Dale Hellastray]

I have found out some things about High Point though nobody. Because you knew nothing before in North Carolina.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Didn't know that.

[Dale Hellastray]

Campus is gorgeous.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Didn't know that.

[Dale Hellastray]

Five star dining restaurants on campus. Well, hello.

[Dave Nash]

That's where I went.

[Dale Hellastray]

The Nova stories are like luxury hotels.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It's Pepperdine of North Carolina.

[Dale Hellastray]

It's freaking gorgeous.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, that sounds great. I'm glad they're out.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

So. But I'm watching this and then they said in the women's bracket and I'm like, oh, Here we go. 3 million were filled out. Now they had just said the word. I think it was like 290 something million men's brackets. And just this thing like dudes are filling out like three or four at a time.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And then the women had 3 million and they still had no perfect ones. And I'm like, I can fix this. If anyone will listen, I'm.

[Dave Nash]

I'm all ears.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

There's no need for 64 women's teams. There's no need to do it exactly the same. You use a smaller ball, lower the rims, scooch the three point line in, and maybe a sweet 16 to start the way the men did when they were first getting started. 64 female college teams waters down the product to be unwatchable, as evidenced by UConn, Syracuse. The other day I was, I went to a baseball game and then went to a bar afterwards and sat down. I looked at the TV and I'm like, oh, they've got this, this thing all screwed up. They. That must be a seven where the one is. Because that's. There's no way. It's 65 to 10.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah, but it was.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And it was halftime. That was a nine seed. They were beating 65 to 10. So I went online, Dave Nash style and said, can I get this game at 90 plus? Because I'm never going to see that again. It was at 75. The running halftime spread plus 75. Syracuse covered.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, I would have took, I would have took the point.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, they didn't get. That was zero pay. It was even 100. I don't care. I know they actually offered one at plus 3,000 that Syracuse came back and won the game. That's just stealing.

[Dave Nash]

That's ridiculous.

[Dale Hellastray]

You know what it reminds me of? Because I kind of like your idea. It's better of shrinking through because really there's like two to three. You got UConn, you've got South Carolina, you've got LSU, maybe Stanford, occasionally another team.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You've got three really good teams. Yes, that's it.

[Dale Hellastray]

And it used to be Tennessee, but, but, but now again, you believe you

[Dave Nash]

Know, teams that are good or bad.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But you know what's. You know what? In fairness, because I give it all the heat. The final four for women's basketball, when it's those four teams is good.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yes, it's.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It's not great play, but it's competitive, quality sport.

[Dale Hellastray]

But what. What blows my mind, and we're talking about on our show, the main event, the fact that there's more than just 12 elite women's girls basketball players coming to high school. Yeah. Do they all go to UConn? Pretty much. Do they? All 12 of them. And then the 13th go somewhere.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But I'm not so sure you're right about that. That there are 12 elite high schools.

[Dale Hellastray]

Well, as far as elite girls, I

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

don't know that elite is. I think there's a lot of above average. I think elite is fleeting in the girls game, and that's because they've watered it down to where there's too many playing.

[Dale Hellastray]

Well, there are a lot of playing. Or just giving a lot of credit to Geno.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, there's that, too.

[Dale Hellastray]

That he brings the best out, maybe the most. But what I was going to say when you say shrink to field because people now forget, because it's been a long, long time.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

But UCLA won 12 straight national championships.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

I'm sure. If you're around back then, I didn't

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

think they did 64 then either, did they?

[Dale Hellastray]

No, no, they. I think it was 32.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

But UCLA won 10 or 12 and they're dominant. And it was like, why even play the tournament?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah. You know, not to mention, I think, what, 35 and, oh, three years in a row, they won like 70 games.

[Dale Hellastray]

I don't know what it is. Yeah. Notre Dame upse. And it was like, news.

[Dave Nash]

Straight wins.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It's. It's. It's absurd to think that it has to be the same as the men's game. The biggest detriment to women's sports is we're the same.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And continuing to placate that is. Is ruining their game. 64 female teams makes for zero competitive games.

[Dale Hellastray]

Well, hey. Well, when the Syracuse coach after the game comes out and said, can they please give us the tent scene so we don't have to play Syracuse?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It was. Yeah. It's just one of those things where you're like, well, you're just gonna get steamrolled and it's not. And you have to televise it because it all feels so forced. And it gives the argument to people like me who don't find it entertaining at all. All I have to do is point. It was 65 to 10.

[Dale Hellastray]

Johnny, you're the coach of Syracuse and you're walking in at halftime and you're following your girls in there, sweat and blood and all that with them all year long. What are you saying? Doing nothing.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I'm walking past the locker room, going home. I'm a terrible, I've done a terrible thing in my life. I'm not gonna go in that locker room. I'm sorry, I think that's the last thing I'd say. I clearly haven't done my job. I'm leaving. And I mean, I guess you'd have to go in that locker room and go, if they can do it to us, we can do it to them. We'll get them 65, 10, we'll tie this thing up.

[Dave Nash]

You're just gonna fight, Fight.

[Dale Hellastray]

Let's get to 30.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

All right. And that's what I said. Do you say let's chip away at this or like just chuck three? I think that's what you do. Hey, ladies, you're all playing. Even the googly eyed one at the end of the bench, we're going to put her into.

[Dave Nash]

I don't.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And again, I don't understand how many really out of shape people in female basketball keep like, do they not have a conditioning drills at all? Come on, that lady for Iowa State, she's 400 pound and she can play. That tells you the state of the game.

[Dave Nash]

I still don't even. How do you even know there's a. Oh, because.

[Dale Hellastray]

Well, she, she's actually a pretty good

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

player, but she's very good, considering.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I, I, look, I could fix, I could fix females NBA and WNBA and college basketball, but they don't want to hear the reality, which is you're not the same and you admit that the second you grab that tiny basketball. So let's make some adjustments here to make the game more competitive.

[Dale Hellastray]

More competitive, more enjoyable, more aesthetic.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Female tennis doesn't go five sets for a reason.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

They just know that the quality would fall off after 4 and 5 and it just gets better.

[Dave Nash]

You guys mentioned history of the ncaa. Do you guys know the history of the ncaa? Where it started and how many times they increase the level of teams?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

No.

[Dave Nash]

So first tournament, 1939, how many teams were in it?

[Dale Hellastray]

Either 16 or 30.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I'd say eight.

[Dave Nash]

Ah, he knows.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I don't know, but I would have guessed 8 because there weren't that many teams out there. Yeah, teams expanded in 51, 16 more than likely.

[Dave Nash]

Very good.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, it's going to double every time doubled.

[Dave Nash]

And then, let's see, 75.

[Dale Hellastray]

32.

[Dave Nash]

32.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

This is General math.

[Dave Nash]

Okay, but then it's a weird. All right, then in 79, how many teams were in 1979?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

48.

[Dave Nash]

Wrong.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Dang it. Added 16. I took half and added again. How many?

[Dave Nash]

40.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Only won a couple.

[Dave Nash]

I mean, right? I mean, where was. Was there? Was there. There must have been buys.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah. That's weird. I don't know. That's interesting.

[Dave Nash]

40.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And that was the year. That was the Magic and bird year, right? 79.

[Dave Nash]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

In Indiana State. Michigan State. So how about that?

[Dave Nash]

And then. And then in 80 expanded to 48. And then when did they do that?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

In 80. No kidding. So it was every year they were moving it up at a certain.

[Dave Nash]

Well, you know, like you said after Magic and Bird.

[Dale Hellastray]

Oh.

[Dave Nash]

Like, hey, we gotta get more people. They just should have made it 180.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Look, and that's what the women's division in college has to do. You're not the same. And lower the. Lower the damn rims already. Come on. I can watch high school kids dunk. You're not that. So be good at what you are. Be fundamentally sound and fun to watch on your court. It's not an insult to say you can't dunk because it's just reality. When it happens, people lose their minds. So that's how you know it's not that common.

[Dave Nash]

So if they played at an eight foot rim.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Nine.

[Dave Nash]

How about eight?

[Dale Hellastray]

Too low.

[Dave Nash]

You know what?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Nine. Take a foot down nine feet.

[Dave Nash]

You're still not gonna find anyone.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

There's some dunking it.

[Dave Nash]

Oh yeah. They're the big gawky women that. That's what you're gonna get down.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Look, they're big, gawky and 10 foot rims.

[Dave Nash]

Can you give one of these small quick guards a chance to.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You want a spud web of females together, rise, kinda dunk. Maybe you get one or two of those.

[Dave Nash]

And that would be at eight foot, I think. Yeah, listen, you got to be at 8 because I don't care.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

They'll start. The big gawky ones will bonk their heads. You'll have cte and you can't have that.

[Dave Nash]

They're not eight feet, John.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

When they're jumping, they might bounce up there or break a hand for.

[Dave Nash]

I don't. I think the tall ones aren't jumping very high. Am I wrong? I'm sorry.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

They can bounce up.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah. And honestly, here's the thing. I I don't even know why I been included in this conversation.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, you jumped in, you're in it.

[Dave Nash]

You college basketball, you're in it in forever.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You missed a gem there. Yukon and Syracuse, it actually got fun to see can they beat him by 90? I thought for sure we were going to see 90.

[Dale Hellastray]

They went on a 300 run.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It wasn't even like interesting.

[Dale Hellastray]

It was nothing.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

One goof after.

[Dale Hellastray]

Don't you throw one shot up and it actually goes in.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah, you have to just start throwing it as an inbound pass. Just try. I mean, look, that, that run right there was a lower shooting percentage than all the arenas in the NBA doing the halftime fan shoot a half quarter. One out of 30 is going to hit.

[Dale Hellastray]

Oh, goodness.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

That's the gorilla at the Suns game. Shoots half court shots backwards and he does like six of them and two are almost in. And sometimes I've seen him hit. Yeah, he'd have beaten Syracuse by himself. There was a girl with 26 points in the first half to Syracuse's 12. Yeah, it was just, just cancel it. And again, like you said, Syracuse's coach going in there, just staring at everybody going like, all right, if you guys don't want to do this anymore, I'll call your parents, we'll pick you up,

[Dale Hellastray]

we'll get out of here.

[Dave Nash]

So when she goes back to Thanksgiving dinner with the family, who, the coach? Yeah. Is everyone proud of her because she has made the tournament for so many years?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

No.

[Dave Nash]

Or are they like, hey, what happened against.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Look, it's, it's, it's almost like now,

[Dale Hellastray]

see, Dave, you're the only guy at Thanksgiving dinner. We'll go, boy. What happened against UConn in that tournament?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You'd bring it up.

[Dale Hellastray]

You'd bring it up.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I. It's almost like having an uncle who might have been in the Epstein files. Everybody's supposed to shut up at David, be like, hey, I saw your name come up on the news. Like I would. Everybody would bring that up. Like it was taboo. Yeah. You don't bring that.

[Dale Hellastray]

No. You don't bring Dave to Thanksgiving Day? No.

[Dave Nash]

I think it's good to be open. Yeah, it's good to have open and honest.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Now, let's talk this before we get into other stuff. I want to bring this up to you guys because we're talking about you. You both have kids and you obviously went to, you know, played in sports in college and high school and everything else. I had a friend of mine tell me just the other two days ago that his daughter is 14, and she's joining a club softball team. And just for consideration, it's a thousand dollars.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yep.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And that's before you get into any of the fees. And I'm like, that's crazy. My other friend says, that's Nothing. I spent 30 grand last year on cheer camp. Another guy, 30 grand for traveling. Cheer camp. It's 12 months a year, and they do events every other week somewhere else. And he has to pay for the whole deal and send his wife and chat. Nothing's covered. Meals, 30 grand and she's elite. Then I had another friend say, my son got into hockey. Oh, $26,000 to be in a. And then I said, why not just let him play Little League or something? It is the most frowned upon thing in the world to join the little league for 85 bucks. Really? Yeah. And here's the reason why. And. And so I started. I did a little digging, a little research. But your parents. I'm not. I wouldn't do this. I've never. Like when I played in Little League, you just knew the kids that were better, that were like, this kid's like, upper level. Like, there's the kids. You're like, he's going to be really good in high school. That guy's going to. That guy's going to be a pro. Like, he's head. And if he wants to be. 0.2% in basketball, 0.2% of all people who play organized basketball from the age of 11 to 17 make it to the NBA.2%, 3.5% play any sort of college. 96% don't play after high school.

[Dave Nash]

Yep.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But I asked the guys, I'm like, why would you spend that? He goes, oh, the coach that's part of the league I'm in gets scholarships for their college at a 70% rate. And I'm like, that's impossible. It's impossible. And I said, if 96% don't even play in college, 70% of the kids playing in your league aren't going. That would be the only place it's happening.

[Dave Nash]

All right, so I've got even a worse.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Would you pay for this? You did?

[Dave Nash]

No.

[Dale Hellastray]

Well, let me give my point. Then you tell me about the campaign, because I didn't do that. It's my biggest crusade genre last 20 years, coaching high school football.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

You play as many sports as you can in high school.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yes.

[Dale Hellastray]

Like football. Baseball is perfect.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Completely.

[Dale Hellastray]

It's perfect. I play football, basketball. I tell every parent that if I did not play basketball at Saguaro High school, I would have not been recruited. Division one, they saw that I was an athlete, they saw I can move, I can handle myself on all that.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But for you, word was out. We got some Goliath down here at Saguaro, right? No, no kidding. Like there's something about your size and like he's delivered for a year. Send somebody over to that.

[Dale Hellastray]

But if I just had football film, I was good. Yeah, I was good. Then all of a sudden these coaches came because recruiting started in December, back when I was coming out.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

And they'd come to see me and they'd see me play a basketball game and the interest grew tremendously. And so any kid. Now the only thing that I made looking for the word if you are, if you are a 6, 76869 basketball player who's getting recruited, Division 1, all bets off. Yeah, all bets off. But for every one of those, there's 100 dudes who could become better athletes by playing multiple sports.

[Dave Nash]

For sure.

[Dale Hellastray]

Because your body, even professional athletes, you're not meant to play baseball 12 months out of the year.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And that's why we're seeing Tommy john surgery on 22 year olds. Almost every pitcher in Major League baseball has had an elbow issue surgery or some sort.

[Dale Hellastray]

And there's so many coaches I run into said, no, no, he plays football. I want him lifted in the off season. I want him. I don't want to play another. I'm like, is he getting recruited right now?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Right.

[Dale Hellastray]

Well, no, but I think he can let him do something else.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It drives me nuts to watch this because I don't think anybody's calling it a scam because they don't want their kids to be shorted or 30,000.

[Dale Hellastray]

So now you tell us your personal experience.

[Dave Nash]

Well, my daughters were into dance.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

There ain't no scholarships for dance.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Okay, maybe.

[Dave Nash]

No, yeah, there ain't.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It's like one, as a matter of fact.

[Dave Nash]

So you know the asu, both, both my daughters went to asu and they were cheerleaders because most of the cheerleaders are on the dance team.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And then you have one group there that, they're the ones that fly around. Those are the Flyers. And those are very impressive.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It's incredible, right?

[Dave Nash]

But for, for most of the other, they're dancers. And when, when you become a cheerleader, you're, you're doing appearances you're not paid for. They take you out of school, you become asu's personal slave. These girls are the most kind, open, generous people and they just get Treated like crap.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

But back to. All right, I paid a lot of money.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

For all this dance nonsense.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Good support for no payoff, right? No. And then you had to, like, college didn't.

[Dale Hellastray]

What?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Didn't come cheap. Even if they got in on their grades, you still have to pay for housing and cars.

[Dave Nash]

It's the whole deal.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah. It's.

[Dave Nash]

It.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I'm looking at this and I'm like, somebody's got to call this scam for what it is. Especially because the guy said, oh, the. The. The. She's in eighth grade.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And he's like, oh, they have scouts that come watch them. I'm like, no, they don't. Nobody's paying for that.

[Dale Hellastray]

But you're being lied to. Him. Please introduce me.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I would absolutely do it, but it's not him. He rolled his eyes a ton. It's his wife basically saying, I don't want to, A, find out we shortchanged her. She's great. Or B, see that these other girls that she's with are getting all that and she's not. It was more of a. I'm a fan. Afraid if I don't do this, I will end up missing something. And they got you snowed on this.

[Dave Nash]

Well, I will tell you why. Listen, I knew there was no scholarships going into it, but those kind of things, like dance for girls.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

Teach them confidence, Teach them, you know, teamwork. Teach them hard work. Teach them dedication. Teach them stuff to make them good adults later and.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But that's worth it. Isn't that all, like, extracurricular activities like you get. It doesn't have to cost 30 grand. And I'm not. If you want.

[Dave Nash]

I. I agree. 100. The things you can do much cheaper.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

But as a parent, if your child has a inclination to follow a path, if you have the ability to waste that money, I don't think it's a bad thing to waste that money on your child with.

[Dale Hellastray]

With club teams.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Dominican Republic.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You've got. Half of the Netherlands is from their Dutch islands. You got Mexico. None of these guys are playing club. Japan. Japan, maybe. I don't know. There's no club league in Mexico. These. And you ever watch Mariano Rivera talk about how he played ball when he was a kid? And he showed how he'd tear the edge of a box off, cut a hole out of it, put his hand through, and it would just protect the palm. And he put it on, and I thought he was going to cry because I could play with this today. They didn't have that they played because they loved it.

[Dave Nash]

100%.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Tyus Thomas was the NBA guy who I look when I was doing, look at him like, this can't be right. Like I'm looking at percent 70%. He said, if you're good enough, they'll pay you 100%. You don't have to pay. And that is not going to help. And he's on this movement to say, in the NBA, none of us played club league. Half of us didn't have enough money to play in the leagues, and most of us barely went to high school.

[Dave Nash]

As. As an ex baseball player who was drafted and played professionally, I saw more guys get more interest from scouts who didn't play very much.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

Because a scout immediately thinks this guy is raw and we don't know his ceiling.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

We don't know his level that he can get to.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

That's what Dale was saying watching him play basketball. This guy's big. He's got the size, he plays good football and he's got footwork in basketball. We can work with it.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

So if you're a parent out there, honestly, I mean, my kids, I didn't care if they did anything. But if you really want to give your kid a chance, you don't have to put him through all that because if he has any inclination to it. And what they're looking for is size and speed and raw physical talent. And they could strike out as a hitter, they could strike out every time. But if they're big, fast, and when they do hit it, it goes a mile.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

They'll figure it out.

[Dave Nash]

They're, they're, they're going to go, oh, this is a guy we want. And the guy playing with him could be hitting.500, 600, but he's half his size and he can't get the ball to the warning track, they're going to go, we're not interested in that.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah. And the other 100%, when you start talking about elementary school, middle school, those kind of things. I showed up at Saguaro 5 10, 130 pounds, soaking wet. I matched my lack of size with my lack of speed. And I promise you, we had a freshman A and a freshman B team. If you'd have went through the whole list, there was guys with beards that were 6 foot 205 as freshmen. And you looked at me and you said, that's the guy.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

You wouldn't know. By my junior year, I'm 631-90.

[Dave Nash]

And then he ate his brother way

[Dale Hellastray]

out of the womb, too. And so many times as I was growing up, you see guys in middle school, eighth grade who are dominant little league baseball pitchers. And then all of a sudden they get to high school and guess what? Everybody else catches up.

[Dave Nash]

Yep.

[Dale Hellastray]

And so it drives me crazy.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

See, I was little and stayed little till my senior year, you would have never seen me. And that's why I was like, well, this isn't going to happen. I can play, but this isn't going to happen because everybody's passing me size, speed, everything else. And I was good up until everybody got better.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And then when I got old enough to play my senior year, I got adult sized for a bit. I played in men's leagues and I'm like, boy, if this would have happened a couple years earlier, I could have honed it. But it didn't. It wasn't there. I still don't have size, I still don't have speed. So I had to recognize there's a physical component that I just did not get.

[Dale Hellastray]

I just say, because it's a racket. And you can go around and see these club coaches.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Oh my God.

[Dale Hellastray]

I know, I know. Hockey parents who, who, you know, the top three hockey players, they're kind of scholarship in.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

And then they need seven or eight other guys to pay the way. And they're the ones who are paying $20,000.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Those promises to those families and get them recruited. And look at, I mean we've, we're in the juniors every year. It's because the, the great ones that are playing in there have been recruited first. They will pay your kids.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And you to be part of their league because that makes their league better. That's where the lucrative part kicks in. It's so wild. And I'm so, again, I am. The happiest day of my life was the lack of the birth of my first child. I hear people say it all the time. I, I can't imagine a better life than I'd have had. I had, I made one of those things. I'd be one of those parents going, well, maybe, I don't know. And then you're throwing 20 grand at a league and then the next thing you know, he's living at my house. He's 23, he's a bus boy. And I, I hate him. If, and I would have forced him to be left handed, I'd have tied his right arm to his leg. I've been a terrible dad.

[Dale Hellastray]

No, again, I have two daughters. They're both really, really good high school athletes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

And people Go. Are you. Are you getting ready to go to college? I'm like, yeah, they're going to college.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Right?

[Dale Hellastray]

They're not NCAA athletes. They're just not.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And there's.

[Dale Hellastray]

And it's not wrong with that.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Good that you recognize. And speaking of things that aren't normal sports, let's get into the NFL for a second. We're coming up on the draft. Dale, you have it. I've watched it from. We have all, as fans of the NFL, watched this. What is wrong? And when does it start with a wide receiver who is. Has it the thing. And I'm not talking about being great at football. Has a thing. They mentally. Something's wrong with wide receivers. Puka Nakua, who got in trouble a little bit ago for being on some Instagram page and doing something stupid. And we all gave him the benefit of the doubt because he seems so underdoggy. Like, oh, he shouldn't even be here. Look at him thriving. He's growing every game. And he's amazing. He's like the best receiver in football now, arguably. Goes out and bites some girl in the back and starts screaming that he hates the Jews and God. I mean, what in the world is going on? He's imploding in front of our eyes, and we never learn the lesson.

[Dave Nash]

He's been hanging around with Marv Albert way too.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

He's Marv's guy.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yes. No.

[Dale Hellastray]

Well, what's fascinating to me, John, is again, I look at that position in itself, and it seems to rear its ugly head more at their wide receiver position because these guys don't come into the league, 98% of them as divas.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

They can't.

[Dale Hellastray]

They come in, they have to earn their spot. They're going to then excel and all that. And then something happens.

[Dave Nash]

A.B.

[Dale Hellastray]

antonio Brown with you guys, perfect. For like three years, he was the model.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

We called him third and Brown, the most consistent guy we've ever had. He's open all the time, zero problems. Hardly even knew he was out there right then. They paid him.

[Dale Hellastray]

And that's.

[Dave Nash]

Did they pay him? Well, they did, but.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

They did, but.

[Dave Nash]

Or was it that? Or was it they all of a sudden start stumbling all over him like he's a guy.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

There's some of that. But Ryan Clark always tells the story that. That he knew we pay that guy. You got a problem, right? I don't know if it was. The day they paid him, he started to march through the facility talking about he's the face of the franchise and he fought Dick LeBeau.

[Dale Hellastray]

How does that happen?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

He had never been a problem before. They gave him a new contract and it just fed him danger, ego, the whole way Pukinakua seems. And it's all perception. Like such a good guy. Yeah, like just one of those humble down home. I'm just, I'm a hard worker.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I'm just this kid from Hawaii.

[Dave Nash]

Well, that was before. Didn't he get in some kind of trouble with his brother during this year?

[Dale Hellastray]

His brother stolen some player's car.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But I mean, look at Patrick Mahomes. If we're looking at family members that get in trouble all the time, Mahomes should be a disaster. He keeps it together.

[Dale Hellastray]

What's it about? The position. And the thing about Puka is he hasn't gotten paid yet.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

No, I know. Not when. What we just saw Jackson Smith and

[Dale Hellastray]

he's in line for some.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Something around 38 to 40 million is what he's saying.

[Dale Hellastray]

And yet you're doing this stuff now

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

and you make an off color comment with friends and whatever. But then it turns out he didn't really know these people.

[Dale Hellastray]

Okay, I didn't read into it.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

He knew him, but it wasn't. And then, so then he stayed bitter on the thumb once and then bitter on the back so hard. I saw the pictures of his teeth marks. It's like a shark. And if that matches, his argument's gone. Oh, I never said that or what? No, no.

[Dale Hellastray]

Now everything is in doubt.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Everything about you is now in doubt. And I always thought of this when like they, they tested NFL players for weed. And we'll put it down for, for 10 years, you don't need weed. And guys would get caught smoking weed. And I'm like, how, how badly do you want to throw this away?

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Because you're a superstar. Do you have no one in your corner that says Puka enough?

[Dale Hellastray]

Well, that's what I was saying this morning. The fact that he's got a hell of a head coach who I think after the first or second incident would had him sat down. He's got an agent employing him. You're due to make over $100 million.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yes.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah, put it away.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Stop.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, just stop.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And then. But I have to think that the discussion that brought out his anti Semitism had to be the political Palestinian, you know, Israel conflict thing. And he lost it and said, oh, you know, f the Jews. And you're like, pukinakua says that. And some they have to. That you got to keep that circle so small.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And I think that's the Thing we're talking about receivers. They can't keep their circle small. You know, from Michael Irvin, the party gets bigger and bigger and bigger because of that them. So more people show up, and there's always that guy in there that's looking at him going, he's getting all the girls. Yeah. He's getting anything he wants, and I'm sick of it.

[Dale Hellastray]

And soon enough, I'm gonna be cut out of this. Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And he slipped up in front of me. I'm telling everybody. I was at Suns game last night. Speaking of receivers and Odell Beckham Jr. Was there. He's smaller than I thought he was gonna be, actually just standing next to him, I was like, still.

[Dale Hellastray]

Was he in the rah room?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yep, he was down in the room. And he walks by, and I'm like, oh, there's Odell Beckham. And then I thought, wow, go on.

[Dave Nash]

Would you. Would you recognize Odell Beckham?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Oh, yeah, I would. Yeah, you would. He's got bleached white hair, the beard.

[Dale Hellastray]

He just stands out.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

He stands out. And then he walks by. You're like, oh, there's Odell Beckham. Like you. Like it hit you.

[Dave Nash]

Then I would just say, you know, most of these. Most of these celebrities, they don't want to be bothered.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Oh, he wanted to be bothered.

[Dave Nash]

Well, if you. If you have bleached hair.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, he always has had that thing. But he was the. He didn't. He didn't really have that attitude.

[Dale Hellastray]

No. Until he got paid.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But then he got paid. And it's like, you're not this good to be, like, kind of cocky, but, like, everything was smug and kind of on the cool. And he was a little of that. He's at a game last night. He's dating Devin Booker's ex girlfriend. And there he is in the front row. He's Kendall Jenner. Now, keep in mind, he also dated Kendall Jenner's sister a few years ago as Kim. And there's no boundaries with these gu. And then I couldn't help but think that Devin Booker's last second shot was to try to bury a. There's how many Dale while you're playing pro ball moments do you recognize? Oh, my God. Troy dated her. She's now dating this guy. There's those girls that make those moves all over.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I wouldn't go to my ex wife's. Like, if I found out she was in a restaurant, I wouldn't go in, let alone find out where her new husband.

[Dale Hellastray]

She's doing pretty good.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, she's doing great. But I'm not going to go to his office. I'm going to sit in the lobby and just watch them work. How do you. How does your brain function?

[Dale Hellastray]

I. That. That is so. In football, for some reason, again, amongst the rank and file, that stuff doesn't happen. No, but we. You talk about the wide receivers and. And part of me is thankful I played in the 90s. I hate it because of the money, but I. I don't hate it because there were no video games.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You guys would have been. Oh, Puka would have been an angel even after today.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And how often. And this is the other thing, where the NFL's hypocrisy kicks in. It's like any other player does that right now. How long are they going to be in the league?

[Dale Hellastray]

Does what?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Says what Puka said. Oh, how many people who aren't Pukinakua get away with that? Now, keep in mind.

[Dave Nash]

Did he just say something about the Jews?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

F the Jews Outlaw. Hold on.

[Dave Nash]

It's free speech.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Okay. But they've got end racism in their end zone.

[Dave Nash]

We've already had this conversation. I know, it's all nonsense.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

They're not interested in that.

[Dave Nash]

Of course.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Or it would be like, all right, you're out. As an example. Anybody else got something to say? They'll never do that. No, they'll never. But if Dale Hellistray had said it, the long snapper says it. We won't tolerate this kind of behavior. They grandstand on it.

[Dale Hellastray]

But see, you know that as especially a football player, your job, Jimmy Johnson told us your job is find out where you stand on the totem pole.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

And if you're 45 or higher, watch your P's and Q's.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

You know, and he's told me. Was that the reason I did that was because 99% of the time the good players ranked themselves lower than they actually were.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Really?

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah. And this guy's the fourth best player on our team, but he thinks he's 15, so he's hopefully not going to see.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I think Madden changed that. I think guys actually looked at the Madden ratings and started because you hear them well, I'm a 94. I'm a 98.

[Dave Nash]

How dare.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You know, they start bragging about how it's usually the receivers.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yes, it's usually the receivers.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Like, I'm a 99. My. What were you talking about?

[Dave Nash]

Catch range.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

There's something different there that goes on. But yeah, I look at that whole deal and I think Jimmy Johnson's right. There's a totem pole. When you're low, you're immediately out. When you're high, you wreck it for everyone else. So knowing your place in the totem pole swings back.

[Dale Hellastray]

Oh yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

To be extra careful in two different spots and careful the rest of the way. But I mean, super careful when you're spending bottom 10.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And super careful when you're top 10. Although you'll keep your job.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

The rest of the team now is a mess. And then the coach has to get involved. Because right now if I'm the coach and it's my long snapper said that I'm like, well, he's gone. Yeah, we'll get somebody else. And it's not gonna be easy. But boy, Pukinakua, he's staying. We had to talk with him.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, I didn't know anything about it, but. All right, so if you're the. If you're the team, do you welcomely sign him? Do you cautiously sign him?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You give him the wink and a nod. We talked. Right. Because he's too good now if it happens again. And this is. This by the way, is twice.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah, well, that's the thing. You look at the list of things and you kind of forget about them when they get swept around. But here's the thing, as Ryan Clark said about ab.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

So this is happening on your rookie contract, your fifth round draft pick.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

What happens if you have over $100 million guaranteed?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Where do you go next? Where does your brain go next?

[Dale Hellastray]

It's kind of like Kyler Murray from day one. As soon as I'm contemplating having to put a homework clause in your contract, boom. It's a no brainer. You don't sign him.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You definitely think about not signing a little more than they went right in.

[Dale Hellastray]

If that's in my mind.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

And same thing here. I mean, how in your right mind can you be Demhoff with the Rams and be negotiating this big time money

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

deal and not punish that? Yeah, because you'd punish almost everybody else on your team. You can't. And that's where that whole just, you know what, get the white paint. And I hate to use the color white and paint right over. End racism in the end zone because you do not care.

[Dave Nash]

It's actually funny.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It don't do it. We'll talk a little basketball too. I was at that Suns game last night and watched Devin Booker missed that last second shot against a Nuggets team. Boy, the Suns, man, if Dillon Brooks was healthy. This road trip, they just went on and lost probably five games they could have won. They come back and you know they have a little trouble with Milwaukee. Would have won.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

They handled the Raptors and then last night against the Nuggets lose on the last second shot. They have six, maybe five safely. Six arguably games that they could have won.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And didn't. And it has to be because of just everything catching up with him. But man, if these last seven games of them not doing well is an indicator of what a good coach and what a good hire Jordan has been, the losing is where I'm seeing the wheels have not fallen off. They're playing just as hard as they possibly have been all year against really good competition at Denver. And man, watching the joker in person, he's just amazing. It's slow motion. He's playing a different game.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And I mean at the half he had a triple double.

[Dale Hellastray]

I'm looking at 17 and 17.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I mean, I'm looking at that thing and I told the guy I was with him like Anthony, this, this dude in the third quarter, if he plays eight minutes in the fourth quarter, which I don't know that he played that long, but if he plays eight minutes and he's averaging what he's averaging, we're looking at a 30, 20, 20 game.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And it was effortless.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It wasn't like you're like, this is magic. It's just him.

[Dale Hellastray]

He brings the ball up the court, he handles passes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It was unreal. The Suns are a team that I think are snake bit as far as injury and everything else, but man, that is a, that's a fun and we said it all year, but the wheels are now kind of loose and it's not that they're going to cave in ever. I just think you get Brooks back and you got a different animal here. Their injuries and their time and all using so many young guys has finally caught up.

[Dale Hellastray]

I think you get, you go ahead and you get Brooks back. I think that that will right a lot of wrongs. Not all of them, but right a lot of. Here's what they're missing without him. And I can't believe that it's a one person thing, but they're missing their toughness. Yeah. They're missing their Mark Williams, the center. Yeah. And so him coming back too. But I want to talk about the guy who seems to year after year get absolved from anything wrong. And that's your golden boy, Devin Booker.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Okay, go ahead.

[Dale Hellastray]

First of all, stop taking end of the game shots.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

He gets double teamed. Get get rid of the ball.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

He's not the mom.

[Dale Hellastray]

Did you. We played the last shot.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

The other four guys standing there.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Nothing. It was a play for just him and Jordan. Not to his. Like against him. Tight games against good teams the last two minutes. The coaching is almost always like, oh, my God. These plays are way too focused on one single thing. There's no nuance. Get Jalen Greenish shot. He was hitting everything.

[Dale Hellastray]

Get guys moving to the basket, get movement going. No, they just stood there and watched him. If you, if you. It was a sideline view and you could see all the other four players didn't move while Booker's over around a three point line and whatever.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It was a wide open shot.

[Dale Hellastray]

But here's what I want to point out. Remember two years ago when Devin Booker played in Olympics?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

What did he come out of there known as? Playing defense? He was tenacious. Nobody knew how many points he averaged.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

No.

[Dale Hellastray]

But he took on the other team's best player. Played tenacious.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Put 100% effort into that side. Yeah. And he can do that.

[Dale Hellastray]

He can.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

But if you watch him, especially when he's on the weak side. Last night there were three or four opportunities where it looked like he was thinking about what he's getting a robber

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

or he's got Odell and his ex girlfriend sitting in the front row. It's probably on his mind.

[Dale Hellastray]

Is she there too?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

No. But mentally she's still there.

[Dale Hellastray]

There's a smell in the.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

On his clothes that Devin's thinking about, but you're.

[Dale Hellastray]

He's looking off and his guy cuts in behind him, up to the basket, gets a rebound, gets a pass and he's. And it's just a lack of daisicalness.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I have not seen. I have not seen Devin dominate a game. But he's very consistent. He's. It's almost Kevin Durant. What Kevin Durant was was this. You're getting my 26 and you're getting my eight.

[Dale Hellastray]

Right.

[Dave Nash]

But you're not getting.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But yeah. And occasionally I'll load up and get a game and I'll impress you with 50 points.

[Dale Hellastray]

He faces no criticism.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Ever get hit with that? I agree with that. I think Jalen Green deserves a little criticism because he never passes. But I mean, you're right. Last night's. It was a wide open shot. But this team is. This team could have had a 10 or 12 point lead. They run out of gas in games because they're kind of tenacious. And I think there is some of that. Like I'm Worn out. Look to them right now where they

[Dale Hellastray]

do look a little tired.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

There's a lot of Colin Gillespie and that guy was never built to play 25 minutes a night ever.

[Dale Hellastray]

But he's doing it for 82 games.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Right. It's not supposed to happen.

[Dale Hellastray]

But that last play started off poorly.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

It was a mess.

[Dale Hellastray]

The pass thrown in the back court.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

But as soon as Devin comes across half court he's double teamed. Yep.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Oh, and they had a guy waiting behind the double team. Yeah, he was not getting past that.

[Dale Hellastray]

No.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

The time strike plus when he got to that three point line.

[Dale Hellastray]

The other guy's emotion.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I also don't necessarily agree with the three point shot in a two point game. Well, when you have the option it's not, it's not a must.

[Dale Hellastray]

He wasn't on the three point line. He's not bad. He was on the three. It only counted as two. Might as well take a layup.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And now you're watching the elite teams become elite too. And teams that aren't are losing games like that. And teams that are winning them. Oklahoma City, San Antonio. You're watching some guys load up and get ready for April and May. This is going to be an easy walk for the west. As competitive as it's been. You'll get a few good games. The Suns as a seven seed going up against San Antonio or Oklahoma if they fall one more good night nurse. This is not going to be good. And then I got into the playoff because. Or the play in game.

[Dale Hellastray]

Well, watch them play the Clippers in the first round of the play in. And Kawhi Leonard got off for 60.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

They could very easily. Yeah, they could struggle with the play all the way. Yeah, it's, it's, it's tough to watch. But at least they're ahead of schedule to a point where they're from. But I don't disagree that Devin deserves some more scrutiny.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yes.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I'm not putting this on him.

[Dale Hellastray]

I can't put it all on him. But he's got something to do with it.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

He's the leader of the team. But there's something to be said for the idea that I just want to let you always in these moments, I

[Dave Nash]

just want to let you know that Tommy DeVito is now the second string quarterback for.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Did he just get signed?

[Dave Nash]

No, they got rid of. Who's the other guy? Joshua Dobbs.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah. So it's DeVito now up, up in Buffalo.

[Dave Nash]

New England.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Oh, New England. I'm sorry. Yeah, New England.

[Dave Nash]

You know what, listen.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Okay. I think Calm down.

[Dave Nash]

Variable, really smart football coach.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

All right, thanks for bringing that.

[Dave Nash]

Now gone up.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Why in the world would this be a topic anyone's interested in? Yeah, baseball's gonna start in a week or so. I think the excitement.

[Dale Hellastray]

No, in two days. Days.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, it's. Yeah, it's actually technically the Netflix game.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Or tomorrow or whatever it is. It's.

[Dale Hellastray]

It's not like football.

[Dave Nash]

Nobody.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Nobody cares. And they've moved the opening day to where there's nothing special. It's now streaming, and I can't wait

[Dave Nash]

for that not to do well.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah, I. I'm kind of rooting against it, too.

[Dave Nash]

And the reason is the more these pay for to watch shows do well, they'll have more of them.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Oh, yeah, more.

[Dave Nash]

I don't like watching any of that nonsense.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, it's the future. It's the future, old fella. Well, I don't like it either.

[Dave Nash]

I enjoy when it does. Poor.

[Dale Hellastray]

About. About the only sport that I think has seen success and will continue to. The NFL. No.

[Dave Nash]

No doubt.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah. I mean, the live events are where it has to be. And I think you'd see that boxing, to a certain degree, if they put up a good enough card, will always be. They started that whole let's play every event.

[Dave Nash]

There will come a time where if it's 2 pay per view, people will get away from the NFL, and then they're going to realize, you know what? There's actually a life outside of sitting on my fat ass.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But you do pay for it.

[Dave Nash]

10 hours.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You can't watch the NFL.

[Dave Nash]

Well, I get it.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Without paying.

[Dave Nash]

I get it.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I pay a lot of money to have all the games.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah, all the games.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But to watch my team. I am technically paying a mass.

[Dave Nash]

I'm talking about advertising. You need advertising.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But I've got Amazon. I've got. Got whatever else that they've got. Netflix has games now. I've got my YouTube.

[Dave Nash]

Listen, you don't have a meaningful life, so you're gonna. You're gonna do that. You don't have kids.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You know, there's the meaning that I love the meaningful lack of kids. Oh, you're right. That's beautiful. You know, before we get to the five minutes with the Mad Men, I want to get just a quick opinion. We brought. We brought up before Jack Hughes, the golden goal in the Olympics wanted that puzzle puck. And ask the NHL can I have that puck? And they're like, nope, it's going in the hall of Fame. Same with the girl who scored the winning goal in the Female gold medal game. And they're like, nope, it's going in the NHL. Why would the NHL want the girls puck in the first place? They're not even in it. Second, Olympic hockey isn't related to the NHL.

[Dale Hellastray]

No, it's not.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And it's in Canada.

[Dave Nash]

It's the Hockey hall of Fame. And say the NHL hall of Fame.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Canada.

[Dave Nash]

It's the Hockey hall of Fame.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

What is hockey? Hockey. It's the NHL.

[Dave Nash]

How dare you.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

The NFL hall of Fame is not the football.

[Dave Nash]

What is the most famous game in the history of hockey?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

The most famous one of all told. The miracle on ice.

[Dave Nash]

Yes.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

That's not the NHL.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

No. But. So they don't deserve it. So you start a international play or Olympic Hockey hall of Fame.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, yeah. That is great.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

They put the Olympic. They put the hockey team from 1980 in the hall of Fame as they should be adorable. It has nothing to do with pro hockey. That's the fun part of that. It wasn't a profession with some. So you put in like junior high kids that had a great year.

[Dale Hellastray]

No, no.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

This is a thing where this guy deserves his gold medal and his puck.

[Dave Nash]

Well, I disagree wholeheartedly. That is a historic no. That everyone should be able to come by.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

He should be allowed to sell it and enjoy like any baseball player, Mark McGuire or anybody else that can eventually

[Dave Nash]

own that and sell says a globalist elite.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Also scumbag kids should have access to that and sell it someday. That should be his.

[Dave Nash]

Well, I will just say this. Going forward, when players do that.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And they want it. You better jump into the net and grab the puck.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

They'll. Yeah, maybe. They probably. I don't know.

[Dave Nash]

They. Listen. If he had it in his hand. I don't. And. And stuck it in his pants. I don't think they can.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But he still has the stick. Right? He still has the jersey. He should have the puck. They should have what he decides to give up. I'll give you my jersey for a fee.

[Dave Nash]

I disagree.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You know who wouldn't?

[Dave Nash]

You know, you fat guy.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

No way. Hold on. Nobody would do it for him. Hockey, professional hockey. Hockey hall of Fame is not going to go. We'll go out our way to make sure you're covered. They want that for the money, for themselves. And for that they're not selling the pocket.

[Dave Nash]

They're to be seen by people who go there.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You pay to get in.

[Dave Nash]

Whether you pay or not. They're historical momentos that.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Then let us all love the history of it.

[Dave Nash]

That's correct.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

For free. They wouldn't do it.

[Dave Nash]

Listen, everything.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

He should be able to benefit off of his accomplishment if he chooses to give it to them. That's awesome.

[Dave Nash]

Mr. Elite. The Elite, guys.

[Dale Hellastray]

How's that? Elite? What you're saying what. Your argument is actually the opposite. You got a single entity that wants something and you're saying, no, give it to the elite.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

People have everything. That's the elite. Yeah, that's the elite.

[Dave Nash]

Jack Hughes, he's making enough money, he can go buy a pocket. Stay out of pockets, Mom.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Donnie, if he wants more, he can.

[Dale Hellastray]

No, you're talking both sides of your rear. The thing is, the globalist thing is

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

the keeping it from the individual who owns it. Who should own that?

[Dale Hellastray]

Exactly.

[Dave Nash]

Should. The puck that Mike Eruzioni scored in the.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

If he wants it to be there. Yes. If he wants it for himself and says, look, I'll give you some other stuff.

[Dave Nash]

It should be embarrassing that Jack Hughes in the position he's in.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Oh, how about this puck?

[Dave Nash]

How about that?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

How about this? No, he has ownership of it and like they do with artists stuff. And they're like, you can display it, but that's mine.

[Dave Nash]

If he had it, like I said, if he grabbed the puck and never gave it to him, then it's his.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

They do it with fans who catch meaningful baseballs.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

And they go and pay them for it.

[Dave Nash]

Yeah, but the guy that probably got the puck out of that was the official. He's gonna.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

He's gonna. He's not allowed to hang on to it. They'll fire him.

[Dave Nash]

No, I'm sure. I'm sure he didn't. He gave it to the officials that are run. The ioc, the officials that are running the tournament.

[Dale Hellastray]

All the monkey bugs.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah, the elite. The elitist. All the elitists, you globalist scumbag.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

The people in the Olympic people didn't keep it. They gave it to the Hockey hall

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

of Fame guy right here. That's Dave Nash. He's the Angry Patriot.

[Dale Hellastray]

We'll give him a minute.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

There's Dale Hell Astray, three time world champion. I'm John Holmberg, Sports. Things coming to an end. 5 minutes with madman starts now.

[Dave Nash]

We talked real quickly last week about Tartaria and the. The buildings that are huge. I know you said you looked into it. Yeah, we did part. Part two show on it. And would you like that building when you were watching that Olympics and every time NBC or whoever the hell was doing came in, they showed that big mon. Monolithic monstrosity of the Coliseum that They

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

had the church next to that big old.

[Dave Nash]

The church. Yeah. Well, what I found out, which I was unaware of, is Billy's like the. The cathedral. Notre Dame.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

All these huge structures like this didn't have toilets.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Really? Is that strange expose.

[Dale Hellastray]

Yeah, but maybe not from 25 to 20 acre big thing in Chicago.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellastray]

And you do all that marbling and all the decoration and no bathrooms.

[Dave Nash]

Well, I don't know if there wasn't a bathroom in the 1893 Chicago World's Fair. They had a 20 acre building.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

I don't know if they had a bathroom.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Maybe. Didn't they just used to pee where they were?

[Dave Nash]

So here's the thing. Look at those buildings. They are so ornate. They're with. With the structures and the domes and they're so huge and beautiful and they don't have a toilet. You're saying. So you're saying people could build buildings back then that were above anything we can do now?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

But they couldn't make a toilet system. They couldn't figure out running water. How does that make sense?

[Dale Hellastray]

How do they make cement? How do they. I have no idea how any of that works.

[Dave Nash]

So.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

All right, those are things that make you wonder.

[Dave Nash]

And maybe the next show we do because there's just so much.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

So what's the. Are you saying that aliens didn't have bladders? You just don't know. It just wasn't in the blueprint. Listen, could it be possible that they just blew it? We did it again.

[Dave Nash]

Everybody got to go.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Out of sight.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, no.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

What are the ladies going to do?

[Dave Nash]

You, you know, they talked about that people just peed in the street or

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

they put it in the bucket.

[Dave Nash]

Oh, yeah. So they're able to build these fantastic structures and can't figure out running water. Their past history. Well, before this, like in Rome.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

They said that they had the ability

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

to have the aqueduct.

[Dave Nash]

Yes, yes, exactly. But they, they, they forgot to do it in these buildings.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You're right. So you're making the claim.

[Dave Nash]

I'm not making any.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I want to know though. I want to know where you're going to go with this. You're saying that those buildings are not as. Not what we're being told they are.

[Dave Nash]

What? They're definitely not.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Okay.

[Dave Nash]

I mean, who would make those buildings? And why. Why can't they build?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

You wouldn't even have just a room with a hole in it. Right, right.

[Dave Nash]

Why not that?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Because that's how the Middle east used to do it.

[Dave Nash]

And still does, I guess. But the, the point of our show,

[Dale Hellastray]

but you're gonna spend two years with the finest details.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

They always say it took, like, 40 to 60 years for them to build some of these things.

[Dave Nash]

No, no, no, no, no. They've said just a couple years. I. They don't even have times on it. Point is, the show, we do the real matrix. I'm not. I'm not giving you answers for something I don't know. I'm just giving you questions. I showing you stuff, and I'm saying, somebody give me an answer. I'm not that smart.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

All right?

[Dave Nash]

I'm not that smart. But there are so many questions out there that we don't think about.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, they do that thing in History of the World where I learned most of my stuff from TV and movies. In History of the World with Mel Brooks, you had the piss boy who would walk around with a bucket in these ornate castles. Because you're not keeping that in the house, Right?

[Dave Nash]

Does that. How does that make sense? Sense?

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Well, I guess it does if you didn't have any sort of plumbing system.

[Dave Nash]

Again, if you're able to build a monstrosity of a castle.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

But they had castles and they had a pissboy. That was their best idea.

[Dave Nash]

Or were these, as you're pointing out, you're pushing me to it.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah.

[Dave Nash]

And I don't know. Well, you're pushing me to the point of. You're saying, well, who built these castles? Were they from another.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Yeah, they built and they.

[Dave Nash]

And they. And they. Their whole system of going to the toilet was different.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Some sort of absorption, internal absorption. I like what you're saying.

[Dave Nash]

I don't know.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

All right?

[Dave Nash]

But I don't get it.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

Give me off this thing.

[Dave Nash]

We're done.

[Host 1 (likely John Holmberg or main host)]

I'm done.

[Dave Nash]

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