Podcast Summary: The Stacking Benjamins Show — David Gardner on Breaking the Rules of Investing (SB1736)
Date: September 17, 2025
Host: Joe Saul-Sehy (with OG, Doug)
Guest: David Gardner, co-founder of The Motley Fool
Theme: How breaking conventional rules leads to investing success—deep dive into Gardner’s Rule Breaker habits and investing mindset.
Episode Overview
This episode features a lively, in-depth conversation with David Gardner, Motley Fool co-founder and legendary “rule breaker” stock picker. Joe, OG, and Doug explore how David’s unconventional approach to investing—focusing on story, long-term holding, and company purpose—contradicts traditional financial wisdom. Gardner walks through the six core habits from his new book, shares personal stories from his career, and provides actionable advice for investors of all experience levels. The tone is friendly, encouraging, and fun—capturing both the rigor and joy that can come from intelligent stock investing.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. The Motley Fool Origin Story, Investing as Fun
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[03:21] Joe highlights how David and Tom Gardner brought playfulness and accessibility to stock investing, challenging a field that was “so serious.” Their jester hats and media appearances made investing approachable.
- Quote: “They shook the world really of investing... before the Motley Fool, I think everybody took it so seriously. And here comes David and his brother Tom... talking crazy about making money trading stocks and how fun it can be.” — Joe [03:21]
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[10:10] David discusses his writing background, the influence of Louis Rukeyser, and his belief that liberal arts thinking—storytelling and pattern recognition—has real power in finance:
- Quote: “Part of the beauty of being a humanities person... is that we can kind of make connections across broad expanses... We can start to strut our stuff by making connections more broadly.” — David [10:10]
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[11:45] David credits his father for teaching him about the stock market early and for giving him a starter portfolio at age 18, emphasizing the importance of getting kids invested and letting compounding work.
2. Why Story and Purpose Matter More than Numbers
- [12:31] David positions investing not just as number crunching, but as understanding the “story” and purpose behind a company:
- Quote: “This is about finding the story behind the company, not just the technical analysis.” — Joe [12:31]
- Quote: “There’s no such thing as short-term investing. That’s just trading, which is the antithesis of investing.” — David [13:36]
3. The “Boo’ed on The View” Starbucks Story
- [14:26] David tells a defining story: picking Starbucks for Lisa Ling on The View in 1998. The stock lost a third of its value in six weeks, and the audience booed them. Yet, had you held, you’d have earned 34x your money.
- Quote: “We may be the only ones ever booed on The View... But the punchline... the stock’s up 34 times in value since our first appearance.” — David [16:57]
- Key Lesson: The time frame matters—true investing is about patience.
4. The Six Core Habits of Rule Breaker Investors
David walks through his six central investing habits:
Habit 1: Let Your Winners Run
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[18:34] Winners are not just up stocks, but great companies in every sense—employee culture, customer love, meaningful profits, purpose.
- Quote: “Once you’ve found a winner... what do winners do? And the right answer is, they win. They don’t win every time... but generally, winners win.” — David [19:54]
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[20:18] “Tie goes to holding.” Default to holding a good company unless you have a clear reason to sell:
- Quote: “Have a really good reason to jump off the ship.” — David [20:18]
Habit 2: Add Up, Don’t Double Down
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[24:45] Don’t put more money into losers just to “get even.” Add to companies going up—with new money, reward proven success.
- Quote: “If I have new money, I only add it to stocks that have gone up for me... Again, sounds like the opposite of what everybody else is supposed to do or doing.” — David [24:45]
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Momentum Investing? Not quite. David clarifies he pursues leadership and great business fundamentals in innovative industries, not mere chart-following.
- Quote: “I am ignoring all of that [junk]. And I’m focused on the leaders in each industry in important emerging industries.” — David [27:23]
Habit 3: Invest for at Least Three Years
- [29:44] A true investment horizon should be multi-year—three years at a minimum, decades ideally:
- Quote: “The best way toward prosperity early retirement is to find a great company or three and hold them for at least three years, if not three decades.” — David [30:33]
Habit 4: Conscious Capitalism—Four Tenets
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[32:38] David looks for companies that:
- Have a higher purpose (e.g. Tesla: “accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy”)
- Win for all stakeholders—not just shareholders.
- Exhibit conscious leadership—servant leaders, not entitled ones.
- Foster a great conscious culture—where people love to work.
- Quote: “Conscious Capitalism disagrees [with Milton Friedman]... You should be trying to win for all of your stakeholders, not just taking one group and saying we’re maxing it out for them.” — David [34:34]
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When do you sell? If the company drifts from its purpose, leadership, or culture, that’s a sign to re-evaluate.
Habit 5: Max Opening Position: 5%
- [40:08] No new position should exceed 5% of the portfolio—so start with at least 20 stocks for diversification. The Advent of fractional shares has democratized diversification for everyone.
Habit 6: Aim for 60% Accuracy
- [42:44] Even for the best, 100% win rate is impossible. Most pros, including Gardner, aim for about 60% correct stock picks (beating the market). Success comes from letting a few huge winners more than compensate for losers.
- Quote: “We all have a story like [missing a big winner]... All of us are making mistakes, stumbling and bumbling all over the place... Too many people think that investing is more like Olympic figure skating... Actually it’s more like hockey and not even caring that you got checked into the boards.” — David [22:57]
5. Long-Term Thinking & Beating the Market
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[45:07] Academic studies underrate long-term outperformance—the real edge is to think in decades, not quarters or years.
- Quote: “The studies... proving you can’t beat the market... are looking at short-term timeframes, usually year by year. I’m not trying to beat the market every year... We’re living through that three year period over and over... you can beat the averages.” — David [46:54]
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[47:28] On handling criticism and skepticism:
- Quote: “All you can really do is say, this is what I believe, this is what I’m going to do. But now that I’m almost 60, here are all the numbers... I have crushed the market for our members.” — David [47:28]
6. Audience Q&A — If You Could Add a Seventh Habit
- [50:46] David’s seventh would be “intellectual curiosity”—always be learning, reading, and staying interested in the world around you.
- Quote: “Care about what’s happening in the world and show intellectual curiosity... If I had to add a seventh habit, again, these are for investors. But of course... everyone is an investor.” — David [51:36]
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
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On Investing Mindset:
- “There’s no such thing as short-term investing. That’s just trading, which is the antithesis of investing.” — David [13:36]
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On Letting Winners Run:
- "The only way you’ll ever get a 100-bagger... is if you hold it, to let it do that for you." — David [39:09]
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On Losses:
- “We highly reduce the chances of it happening if we don't actively trade... If the first new thought in your mind after buy low is sell, then you're doing it wrong.” — David [24:22]
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On Missed Opportunities:
- “One of the big misnomers and mistakes people make is they think they missed blank. They missed Amazon, they missed Apple... Winners keep winning.” — David [37:21]
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On Advisors & Evolving Advice:
- “If you’re not the most trustworthy person in your client’s life and you're not working with them on a behavioral level... you’re a dinosaur.” — Joe [64:20]
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On Intellectual Curiosity:
- “If I had to add a seventh habit... I’d go with intellectual curiosity... always be learning.” — David [51:36]
Timestamps of Important Segments
- Motley Fool’s Impact, Making Investing Fun — [03:21] - [06:53]
- David’s Personal Path, Humanities & Investing — [09:19] - [12:31]
- Starbucks on The View Story — [14:26] - [18:16]
- Six Rule Breaker Habits Explained — [18:16] - [42:44]
- Let Winners Run — [18:34]
- Add Up, Don’t Double Down — [24:45]
- Invest for at Least 3 Years — [29:44]
- Conscious Capitalism — [32:38]
- 5% Position Sizing — [40:08]
- Aim for 60% Accuracy — [42:44]
- Market Outperformance, Long-Term Data — [45:07] - [50:32]
- Handling Criticism, Legacy at The Motley Fool — [46:54] - [49:11]
- Adding a Seventh Habit — [50:46] - [52:52]
Final Takeaways for Listeners
David Gardner’s approach is equal parts discipline, optimism, and intellectual joy. His Rule Breaker philosophy emphasizes:
- Focusing on business substance and story, not just price charts
- Committing to long-term ownership
- Prioritizing companies with meaningful vision and positive culture
- Letting big winners keep growing
- Diversifying for safety, not betting the farm
- Accepting—and even embracing—mistakes and losses as part of the process
- Above all: cultivating curiosity, humility, and a love of learning
His new book “Rule Breaker Investing: How to Pick the Best Stocks of the Future and Build Lasting Wealth” is available now and distills these lessons with three decades of practice.
For More:
- Show notes and links: StackingBenjamins.com
- David’s book: Rule Breaker Investing
- The Motley Fool: Fool.com
Whether you’re a seasoned investor or just starting, this episode serves as both a strategic guide and a motivational call—breaking the “rules” (the right ones) may be your best path to lifelong prosperity.
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