The Stacking Benjamins Show
Episode: How to Use Process to Create Sustainable Drive (SB1657)
Release Date: March 17, 2025
Hosts: Joe Saul-Sehy and OG
Network: StackingBenjamins.com | Cumulus Podcast Network

Introduction

In this episode of The Stacking Benjamins Show, hosts Joe Saul-Sehy and OG delve into the concept of dynamic sustainable drive—a framework designed to help individuals cultivate lasting motivation and achieve financial and personal success. The conversation is rich with insights on mindset, energy management, discipline, curiosity, resilience, connection, and confidence, all aimed at empowering listeners to create and maintain their drive effectively.

Main Discussion: Dynamic Drive and Sustainable Drive

1. Mindset: Adopting a Growth Mentality

Timestamp: 24:08

Joe and OG emphasize the importance of mindset as the foundational step in developing sustainable drive. Referencing Carol Dweck's work on growth mentality, they discuss how adopting the question, "Where am I wrong?" can shift one’s perspective from defensiveness to proactive self-improvement. Joe reflects on his personal journey, stating:

"I always found a way, you know, it's really..." (12:05)

2. Energy Management: Controlling Your Energy

Timestamp: 33:25

The hosts explore the role of energy management in maintaining drive. They highlight the necessity of focusing on tasks that energize rather than drain. OG shares a quote from Sam Altman, coining the idea that:

"You never feel burnout when you're working on the right stuff." (33:25)

They discuss strategies such as scheduling peak productivity times and ensuring adequate rest to sustain energy levels.

3. Discipline: Building Systems for Success

Timestamp: 44:55

Discipline is redefined not as sheer willpower but as the creation of systems that facilitate desired behaviors effortlessly. Joe shares an example inspired by choreographer Twyla Tharp:

"She schedules a call to take her to the gym, so she doesn't need discipline to work out." (44:55)

This approach minimizes the reliance on self-discipline by automating positive habits through structured systems.

4. Curiosity: Fostering a Driven Mindset

Timestamp: 47:31

Curiosity is presented as a vital component of sustainable drive. By pursuing interests that genuinely excite them, individuals can sustain their motivation. Joe references Suni Rao’s transition from tennis to real estate investing, emphasizing:

"Real estate investing is what she gets excited about. Her whole life changed..." (47:31)

This underscores the importance of aligning pursuits with personal passions to maintain long-term drive.

5. Resilience: Weathering Life’s Storms

Timestamp: 49:04

Resilience is discussed as the ability to withstand and recover from setbacks. Drawing parallels with sports, Joe and OG illustrate how resilience is cultivated through facing adversity:

"Life is adversity after adversity after adversity. And when you realize it's going to be there, what's that book? You love that book." (54:58)

They argue that embracing challenges as opportunities for growth strengthens one’s capacity to maintain drive.

6. Connection: Building Meaningful Relationships

Timestamp: 55:07

The hosts highlight the significance of connection in sustaining drive. By prioritizing partnerships over transactions and focusing on being useful to others, individuals find greater fulfillment and motivation. OG cites:

"The key for me is be useful. If I'm more useful than the next person, I go to sleep every day..." (55:40)

This perspective fosters a sense of purpose and community, essential for enduring drive.

7. Confidence: Strengthening Self-Belief

Timestamp: 57:23

Confidence emerges as the culmination of the previous steps. As individuals develop a growth mindset, manage their energy, build disciplined systems, nurture curiosity, cultivate resilience, and forge meaningful connections, their confidence naturally increases. Joe previews Molly Fletcher’s insights, reinforcing:

"Confidence because now your energy's in the right place. You're focused on problem solving..." (57:23)

Guest Preview: Molly Fletcher

Joe and OG tease an upcoming interview with Molly Fletcher, the sports agent responsible for conceptualizing the seven steps of dynamic drive. They anticipate a deep dive into her strategies for maintaining sustainable drive, offering listeners actionable advice to enhance their motivation and personal success.

Listener Question: Tax Strategies for Selling Brokerage Accounts

In the listener segment, Alex poses a question regarding the best approach to withdrawing funds from his brokerage account:

"Should I take it out as an average cost or a first in, first out to ensure long-term capital gains?" (58:06)

OG provides a comprehensive response, explaining the implications of different withdrawal methods—Average Cost (AC), First In First Out (FIFO), and Last In First Out (LIFO)—on capital gains taxes. He advises:

"There's no right answer to this. You have to plan out what your tax bill is going to look like and then decide..." (59:11)

Joe adds his perspective, emphasizing the importance of individual tax situations:

"If I have a big tax bill that year, then there's no reason for me to do those shares..." (63:18)

Listeners are encouraged to consult with a CPA or tax professional to determine the best strategy based on their unique financial circumstances.

Conclusion

Joe and OG wrap up the episode by reiterating the seven steps to dynamic sustainable drive:

1. Mindset
2. Energy Management
3. Discipline through Systems
4. Curiosity
5. Resilience
6. Connection
7. Confidence

They preview the upcoming interview with Molly Fletcher and encourage listeners to implement these steps to foster a sustainable drive towards their financial and personal goals.

Key Takeaways:

1. Focus on Growth Mindset: Continuously evaluate and improve your approach by asking, "Where am I wrong?"
2. Manage Your Energy: Allocate your peak energy times to the tasks that matter most and ensure adequate rest.
3. Build Discipline through Systems: Create automated systems that support your habits, reducing reliance on willpower.
4. Nurture Curiosity: Engage in activities that genuinely interest you to sustain long-term motivation.
5. Cultivate Resilience: Embrace challenges as opportunities to strengthen your capacity to maintain drive.
6. Foster Meaningful Connections: Prioritize relationships that provide purpose and fulfillment.
7. Boost Confidence: Achieve confidence by aligning your energy and actions with your goals through the previous six steps.

Listeners are encouraged to reflect on these steps and integrate them into their daily lives to enhance their financial literacy and personal growth.

Notable Quotes:

• Mindset:
  Joe: "I ask myself, where am I wrong?" (24:08)

• Energy Management:
  OG: "You never feel burnout when you're working on the right stuff." (33:25)

• Discipline through Systems:
  Joe: "If you set up the system correctly, you don't need discipline." (44:55)

• Curiosity:
  Joe: "Real estate investing is what she gets excited about. Her whole life changed..." (47:31)

• Resilience:
  Joe: "Life is adversity after adversity, and when you realize it's going to be there..." (54:58)

• Connection:
  OG: "If I'm more useful than the next person, I go to sleep every day..." (55:40)

• Confidence:
  Joe: "Confidence because now your energy's in the right place..." (57:23)