Full Show: Feuding in Cowboy Country. Interviews Trump's Border Czar. He's One of a Kind, Steph Curry.

Summary

The Stephen A. Smith Show – Episode Summary: "Feuding in Cowboy Country. Interviews Trump's Border Czar. He's One of a Kind, Steph Curry."

Release Date: March 14, 2025

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1. NBA Showdown: Phoenix Suns vs. Sacramento Kings

Stephen A. Smith dives deep into the upcoming NBA matchup between the Phoenix Suns and the Sacramento Kings, providing his expert analysis on key player performances and team dynamics.

• Kevin Durant (Phoenix Suns):
  Timestamp [05:15]
  Stephen confidently predicts Durant will surpass his point threshold, stating, “I'm going with more because he's KD. It's that simple. One of the greatest pure scorers the game has ever seen.”

• Devin Booker (Phoenix Suns):
  Timestamp [06:42]
  Emphasizing Booker's scoring prowess, Smith remarks, “He's a pure scorer and because he's going up against the Sacramento Kings... I'm definitely going with more for Devin Booker.”

• DeMar DeRozan (Sacramento Kings):
  Timestamp [07:30]
  Analyzing DeRozan’s potential, Stephen asserts, “I believe he will [score more] because I haven't been that impressed with Phoenix... DeMar DeRozan can ball.”

• Zach LaVine (Sacramento Kings):
  Timestamp [08:10]
  Predicting LaVine's performance, Smith states, “It's that simple... So look at what I'm talking about here, okay? KD, Devin Booker, DeMar DeRozan, Zach LaVine. More, more, more and more.”

2. Feuding in Cowboy Country: DeMarcus Lawrence vs. Michael Parsons

The show delves into the heated exchange between former Dallas Cowboys teammates DeMarcus Lawrence and Michael Parsons, highlighting tensions within the team.

• DeMarcus Lawrence’s Remarks:
  Timestamp [07:21]
  Lawrence expresses skepticism about the Cowboys’ Super Bowl prospects: “...I'm forever going to be there, but... I'm not going to win a Super Bowl there.”

• Michael Parsons’ Response on X (formerly Twitter):
  Timestamp [08:25]
  Parsons criticizes Lawrence’s comments: “This is what rejection and envy look like. This some clown shit.”

• Lawrence’s Retort:
  Timestamp [09:00]
  Responding firmly, Lawrence counters: “Calling me a clown won't change the fact that I told the truth. Maybe if you spent less time tweeting and more time winning, I wouldn't have left.”

Stephen A. Smith provides his perspective, criticizing the Cowboys' management and performance while mocking the team's fanbase and Jerry Jones' leadership.

• Timestamp [10:00]
  “Why the hell you stay? Could it be the perks? Could it be the attention... That’s what I took from it.”

• Timestamp [11:30]
  “The Cowboys wanted to keep you. Last time you had double-digit sacks was six years ago... That Jerry Jones right there, making billions...”

3. Exclusive Interview: Tom Holman, Trump's Border Czar

In an in-depth segment, Tom Holman, the newly appointed Border Czar under the Trump administration, discusses his role, immigration policies, and the ongoing challenges at the U.S. borders.

• Role Differences Between Administrations:
  Timestamp [22:50]
  Holman explains his current responsibilities: “I overlook what the president assigned me... secure the borders, run a deportation operation, and find missing children.”

• Zero Tolerance Policy and Family Separations:
  Timestamp [30:34]
  Addressing criticisms, Holman defends the zero tolerance policy: “Zero tolerance, that the numbers of families put themselves in harm's way... dropped significantly... it was the hardest part about this job.”

• Sanctuary Cities:
  Timestamp [35:46]
  Holman outlines strategies against sanctuary cities: “Sanctuary cities are sanctuary criminals and we're going to hold them accountable... We’re concentrating on worse first.”

• Deportation Efforts:
  Timestamp [38:38]
  Discussing deportation numbers, he states: “We're about three times higher than Joe Biden was... prioritizing criminals first because they're the biggest dangers to communities.”

• Economic Impact of Undocumented Workers:
  Timestamp [41:49]
  Holman critiques the employment of illegal immigrants: “They pay them seven bucks an hour... If we need that type of staff, then it's up to Congress to make the changes.”

4. Steph Curry’s Historic 4,000th Three-Pointer

Celebrating Steph Curry’s monumental achievement, Stephen A. Smith highlights Curry's legacy and his standing among the NBA's all-time greats.

• Milestone Achievement:
  Timestamp [47:50]
  “Steph Curry just turned 37 and made his 4,000th three-pointer... he’s that phenomenal.”

• Comparative Analysis:
  Timestamp [49:10]
  Smith compares Curry to legends like Magic Johnson and LeBron James, asserting Curry’s unique impact: “He’s the goat when it comes to shooting... his resume is impeccable.”

• GOAT Conversation Inclusion:
  Timestamp [50:30]
  “If we’re able to call him the greatest shooter God has ever created... he warrants a legitimate discussion because it's undeniable that he now belongs in the conversation.”

• Defense and Versatility:
  Timestamp [52:00]
  Discussing Curry’s defensive capabilities: “He’s the only player in NBA history that you literally have to man up on because the second he steps past half court... he’s that lethal.”

5. Audience Engagement: Fan Tweets and Interactions

Stephen A. Smith interacts with audience tweets, sharing his takes on various hypothetical matchups and basketball scenarios.

• Comic Book Showdowns:
  Timestamp [54:00]
  “Captain America versus Red Hulk? I'm going with Red Hulk... Thor versus Loki? Definitely Thor.”

• Elite Team Nostalgia:
  Timestamp [58:20]
  When asked about bringing back any elite team from 2000 to 2024, Smith reminisces about the Golden State Warriors with KD and the early 2000s LA Lakers with Kobe and Shaq: “That first year should say the first year. But when KD arrived in Golden State... it was almost unfair.”

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Conclusion

In this episode, Stephen A. Smith navigates a diverse range of topics, from intense NFL team feuds and a critical interview with a key immigration figure to celebrating one of the NBA’s greatest shooters. With his characteristic blend of insightful analysis, passionate commentary, and interactive engagement, Smith delivers a comprehensive and engaging podcast experience.

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Note: Timestamps are approximations based on transcript segments.

Transcript

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First up, will Kevin Durant KD Trey score more or less than 25 and a half points for the Phoenix Suns? I'm going to go with more because he's kd. It's that simple. One of the greatest pure scorers the game has ever seen. Approaching the age of 37 and a brother still averaging 27 a game. This is who he is and what he does. Ain't going to be hard for him to score 20, you know, more points than 26 and a half, especially considering. Or 25 and a half, rather. Especially consider what I saw from Sacramento just the other night against Golden State. Next up, will Devin Booker score more or less than 26 and a half points? I'm going to go with more with him too, because he's a pure scorer and because he's going up against the Sacramento Kings. They just seem under the leadership of Doug Christie, who I like a lot and I am rooting for. They just seem at times to be going through the motions. Yeah, they could score, but inexplicably they get their ass kicked from time to time. I don't understand why. I really don't get it, but it just happens. And especially on the defensive side of the floor. No doubt about that. So I'm definitely going with more for Devin Book in this category. Next up with The Sacramento Kings, DeMar DeRozan, score more or less than 22 and a half points. Mr. Mid Range himself, DeMar DeRozan. I believe he will because I haven't been that impressed with Phoenix. Obviously they just find ways to cause themselves trouble. They should be a lot better than what they are. It makes no sense whatsoever why they're not that way. You just have to look at them right now, whether it's Bill and Devin Booker and that combination doesn't work, whether it's Boone Hose or being a coach, and that's not working. Whether they're devoid of leadership, which is things that we've all speculated about. I don't know what the hell is going on here, but I do know this. It ain't hard to score more than 22 and a half points on them if you can play and DeMar DeRozan can ball. And finally, will the Sacramento King, Zach LaVine score more or less than 21 and a half points? Yes, the answer is more to this. Same damn reasons I just gave you to say more about DeMar DeRozan. It's that simple. So look at what I'm talking about here, okay? KD, Devin Booker, DeMar DeRozan, Zach Lavine. More, more, more and more. That's what we like to say anytime we talking about pricks, because we're alluding to more, as in more money in your pocket. There's turmoil in Big D between a former player and the star of the team. We gotta get into that. Plus the greatest shooter God has ever created. Reached another milestone last night. We'll talk about that as well, but not before we get into the border czar himself. There's a bully emanating out of the eight nations capital, not just in D.C. but from city to city and state to state around this country. He has made it very, very clear he ain't beyond arresting and prosecuting, not that he can, but prosecuting elected officials, law enforcement officials, and everybody in between. He ain't playing. And he's coming on this show to tell me why. Mr. Tom Holman himself, the border czar under the Donald Trump administration in the house, right here on the Stephen A. Smith Show. Ooh, let's roll. Foreign what's up, everybody? Welcome to the latest edition of the Stephen A. Smith Show. Coming at you as I love to do at the very least three times a week over the digital airways of YouTube and of course, iHeartRadio. As always, before I get into the show, I like to pause just for a second to pay homage to my followers and my subscribers and listeners on iHeartRadio. For example, there's been millions of downloads over the last few months courtesy of iheartradio. Can't thank them for the love and support enough. And of course, over the Digital Airways of YouTube, we've now eclipsed over 1.12 million subscribers. Really, over 1.13 million subscribers. So thank y'all for the love and support enough to keep it coming. And I'm gonna keep on coming to continue to like and follow the show. Just click the bell to get notified for all of our newest content and you too shall consider yourself the latest member of the Stephen A. Smith show family. And while you're doing that, make sure to pick up a copy of my New York Times best selling book, Straight Shooter, a memoir of second Chances and first Takes, now in paperback. Just go to straight shoot a book.com to get yourself a copy. Once again, that's straight shooter book.com to get yourself a copy. I'm told it's very inspirational and aspirational. So those are not my words. Those are the words of others. They didn't write the book. They didn't do the audio for the book. That would be me. It's not their book, it's mine. So the fact that they objectively stated those words, an affirmation of what I was trying to accomplish, is deeply appreciated. Thank you so much. Go to straight shoot a book.com to get yourself a copy. Let's get right into the show, please. Before we get to Mr. Tom Holman let's get started with the NFL and a beef going on now between former Cowboy teammates DeMarcus Lawrence and Michael Parsons. Lawrence, who spent the last 11 seasons in Dallas, recently signed a free agent deal this week with the Seattle Seahawks. Yesterday, the defensive end spoke to a blogger who covers the Seahawks, and here's what Lawrence had to say about the Dallas Cowboys. Take a listen to this, please. You know, Dallas is my home. I made my home there. You know, my family lives there. You know, I'm forever going to be there, but, you know, I know for sure I'm not going to win a Super bowl there. So, yeah, we here, we hear DeMarcus.

[Sam Mewis]

Lawrence, welcome to the Seahawks. Thanks for joining us.

[Lynn Williams]

Damn. Let's be very, very clear about DeMarcus Lawrence here, okay? The brother didn't even have a chance to pass gas before he was talking about his ot. I mean, he literally. It was the equivalent of just getting out the damn bathroom before this brother opens his mouth and is talking smack about the Dallas Cowboys, his former team. Having said that, he didn't lie because we know there's a snowball's chance in hell the Dallas Cowboys going to Super Bowl. It's 30 years and counting. Just gets y'all in. Just in case y'all didn't rem. You know, I mean, I'm talking. I'm looking at the Cowboy fans right now watching me. You know I'm laughing at you. You know I'm laughing at you.

[Sam Mewis]

You know we're going with the super bowl next year.

[Lynn Williams]

You know we go with the super bowl next year. Ah, nah. 30 years and counting. And what I peeled from that. Stay tuned. I'm not going to tell you what I peeled from his words specifically until I get a little bit further into this, because that full interview, by the way, can be found at YouTube.com@hawksk blogger. Okay? Anyway, those words didn't sit well with his former teammate Michael Parsons, who wrote this on X. Quote, this is what rejection and envy look like. This some clown shit. End quote. Now, Lawrence apparently saw the post on X and he had his own retort directly to Micah Parsons. Quote, calling me a clown won't change the fact that I told the truth. Maybe if you spent less time tweeting and more time winning, I wouldn't have left. End quote. Okay, DeMarcus Lawrence is a good comeback. Since Michael Parsons clapped at you, you had every right to clap back at him. You had me. You know, you know how. You know how they said in Jerry Maguire, you had me had a low you had me head low, remember that? Well, you had me until that last line. You saying, hey, maybe you spent more time tweeting. Less time tweeting, more time winning. I may not have left. We're not sure. The Cowboys wanted to keep you. Last time you had double digit sacks was six years ago. You had 25 sacks. You had 10 and a half sacks in, in 2018, and I believe 14 and a half sacks in 2017. That's 25 of your 61 and a half sacks in 11 years. That means the other nine years you had a grand total of 36 and a half, which averages out to about four a season. See what I'm saying? I'm just using math. So I want you to be careful about that. See quarter Cowboys cornerback Trev Trayvon Diggs writes, wow, can't go to war with somebody who really be hating on you. That's not true. Trayvon Diggs. You can't go to war with somebody who doesn't believe in you. That's the real statement there. Y'all had a teammate that knew y'all weren't going to Super Bowl. Y'all had a teammate that knew what Stephen A. Had been saying for 30 years. Y'all had a teammate that let y'all know we really ain't. That's Cowboys. Now, I don't mean it in its literal terms. It's the National Football League. You had back to, back to back 12 win seasons. Y'all were knocking on the door in a lot of people's eyes. You had the Cowboy faithful up there saying, yo, we going to the Super Bowl. You know we're going super bowl next year, right? You know we go to super bowl next year, right? And you had credible reasons to believe that until the playoffs arrived and y'all nose dived. You see when you see these photos of Cowboy fans, the most delusional, disgusting, nauseating fan base in American history, okay? Which is, I customarily say, it's all in fun, it's all love. Because I'm just trolling y'all. I'm just trolling y'all. Like y'all troll me, you know, saying. Because I love how y'all get your hope to see. Last year the joy departed from me. I have to admit, I was sad. See, I don't want the Cowboys to suck. I want the Cowboys to be good because I want your hopes to get up. See, I don't want you falling off a curb if you're a Cowboy fan. I want you falling off the roof spl. That's what I want. Because there's nothing more nauseating to me than a Cowboy fan, you know, going.

[Sam Mewis]

To super bowl next year. You know, we go with the super.

[Lynn Williams]

Bowl next year, even when y'all go 3 and 13 or now 3 and 14, it's who y'all are. Y'all pass gas and y'all will tell somebody it's perfume. You spit somebody's face, you'll tell them it's raining. It's what you do. It's who you are. And you got away with it all these years because you got that man, Jerry Jones, right there. My buddy, my Libra buddy, right there. And you got that man, Jerry Jones right there, making billions, making sure y'all splattered all over those headlines. Making sure that you the number one sports brand in the world. If at the very least America worth over $11 billion. That Jerry Jones right there, he loved the headlines. The untold story in all of this is that evidently y'all do, too. At least some of y'all. Because you see, if you had those players in that locker room, right? Dude didn't believe that you was gonna win the super bowl, well, then why the hell you stay? Could it be the perks? Could it be the attention, the allure? Could it be the fact that y'all the number one brand and the camera gravitates to y'all and it's a marketing tool that's unrivaled? Being a Dallas Cowboy, could that be the reason? Sounds like it to me. That's what I took from it. Made me think about Dak Prescott, too. You know, that 60 million dollar a year quarterback, even after Josh Allen just signed for six years and $330 million, that averages out to 55 million. Dak Prescott, on an annual salary, is still the highest paid quarterback in the NFL. Even though Josh Allen has been to two AFC championship games, Dak Prescott ain't one more than two playoff games in 10 years. But he has played quarterback. Is he there because of the sizzle? I'm just asking. I'm just asking. I'm not sure. I just think it's a legitimate question to ask. All I'm saying is this DeMarcus Lawrence, I don't blame Michael Parsons for clapping back at him because it was a shot at the Cowboys. Even though he didn't mention him by name in a previous tweet, but then came back in or in the inter with the blogger, he didn't mention him by name and then came back at him with the tweet. My point is that I don't blame Mark Michael Parsons for coming to the defense of his teammates and his organization because he's trying to re up there and he wants people to know that he believe they gonna win. He doesn't believe they suck. He doesn't believe that they're gonna be as bad as they were last year. And I get that. I side with Michael Parsons on that. But to me, that ain't the biggest deal here. The biggest deal here is that DeMarcus Lawrence, he ain't going to Baltimore or Kansas City or Buffalo or the Philadelphia Eagles or even the Detroit Lions or the Green Bay Packers. This brother's going to Seattle. Tyler Lockett's gone. DK Metcalf is gone. Gino Smith is going, he's going to Seattle. And was saying, yo, might as well be here. Cause it wasn't like we was gonna win a Super bowl there. Damn, that had to hurt. But maybe it'll be incentive for the Dallas Cowboys to look at themselves. Jerry Jones ranking 30th in the NFL this off season and free agent spending at $22.2 million. Only the Ravens and the Eagles have spent less and that's only because they don't need to. Got Rico Dowdle, undrafted free agent running back became the first undrafted player in Cowboys history to rush for over a thousand yards in a season. And this brother got to go to Carolina to on a one year six million dollar deal because the Cowboys didn't have the money to him. Instead they signed Javonte Williams from the Denver Broncos to a one year, three million dollar deal. Jerry Jones, cutting corners, they ain't really spending, which means they ain't gonna really win, which means more of what we saw last year is likely. That would give DeMarcus Lawrence an additional dose of credibility with what he was saying. But it would also be something that rightfully agitated Michael Parsons, who's about to re up with a long term extension and as hell bent on letting everybody know we ain't going down like that. I like the subject personally. Michael Parsons, my man. Mad love for him, DeMarcus Lawrence, mad respect for him. You cowboy fans out there who are miserable and a bit perplexed, scratching your head like you got dandruff because you're so upset over the kind of back and forth that we're hearing right now and feeling miserable right now. I'm sorry for your feelings. I'm laughing because you know why I'm laughing because I know what's coming come September and October. And November and December. We don't need to mention January. Oh, I forgot. You got a new close to a new coach, too. What's his name again? Brian Schottenheimer. Is that what the name is? Yeah, I forgot. Y'all in for long season and you already? Let me know. I'll be ready for it, will you? Howdy, y'all. How do you do? I'll see you in the weeks, in the months to come, trust me. Coming up, he's a generational talent and the greatest shooter God has ever created. The man, the myth, the legend himself, Steph Curry hit a milestone of 4,000 three pointers made last night. We'll get into his legacy, where it is, where it stands, where it should be, and then some. All of that straight ahead. But first, he's a native New Yorker, a former police officer and the current border czar under the Trump administration. I'm talking to the man himself, Mr. Tom Holman. He's up here next, right here on the Stephen A. Smith Show. Don't go away. All right, everybody, listen up. With all the big time sports action that's happening each and every day, the Stephen A. Smith show wants to make sure you are taking advantage of it all. That's why we've partnered with Prize Picks, the best place to win cash while watching sports. The app is really easy to use to make a lineup. 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Don't miss the very first show as myself, Chris Cuomo, and yes, that man, Bill O'Reilly, take our different ideas, our different backgrounds, our different beliefs across the country to demonstrate that respectful, meaningful, and even fun conversation. Those are the things that make America as great as it should be. The show will be spirited, unscripted, and all three of us we'll let it fly as we discuss the topics everyone is thinking about these days. There'll also be questions from the audience. We're not running. Tickets are officially on sale now with Pre sale code [e-mail] VIP packages are available with the opportunity to meet and take photos with myself and both those fellas. That's three Americans live March 30th at the Westbury Music Fair on Long Island. Additional dates and cities to be announced. Don't miss it. Trust me, you'll get a kick out of it.

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Visit Albertsons or Safeway.com for more details. Welcome back to the Stephen A. Smith Show. My next guest has spent more than four decades monitoring America's border. He joined the United States border patrol in 1984. In 2013, he was appointed by then President Barack Obama as Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Executive Associate Director. He was charged with enforcement and removal operations under that administration. Then in 2017, he was appointed as the Acting Director of ICE by then President Donald Trump. However, he subsequently retired from the position in 2018. Now he's back with President Trump in this new administration as the Border Czar. Please welcome to the Stephen a. Smith show, Mr. Tom Holman. Mr. Holman, how are you sir? How's everything? I'm doing great for being on the show. Let's get Right to it. I wanted to remind our audience that you served under President Obama. He tapped you to lead the Immigration and Customs Enforcement deportation branch of 2013. How does your role different now between the Obama and the Trump administrations? How does it differ from what it was then to what it is now?

[Sam Mewis]

Well, look, under President Obama, I was the head of enforcement mover operations. When I was there, we oversaw the removal of just shy 3 million illegal aliens. Now, I'm the. I'm border czar under President Trump. I have a direct report to the president here. So I overlook what president assigned me on this new role. I oversee border operations. I got three goals. Secure the borders, run a deportation operation, a massive deportation operation, and third, find missing children. Children that were smuggling into the country and the last administration lost track of them. We need to find these children because many of them will be in harm's way. Many aren't. But we need to find these children, make sure they're safe.

[Lynn Williams]

I mentioned that Donald Trump had appointed you as acting director of ICE in 2017, but you retired in 2018. What happened then? And why are you back now? Because you stepped away, but obviously you came back. You served over 30 years. I mean, you. You've given your service and what? And you could have retired and went out into the sunset, but you came back. Why did you feel compelled to do so? So please share that with my audience.

[Sam Mewis]

Well, it's the second time I came back out of retirement for President Trump. Didn't make my wife real happy, but. No, how do you not come back? I mean, under the last four years, you know, I wake up every day upset over the last four years because we had the most secure border in my lifetime. And I've done this since. As you said in 1984, it's the most secure border in my lifetime. The numbers proved it. And what the last administration did when they opened the border up, I knew every day when I woke up, more women and children are being sex trafficked across an open border. More Americans would die from fentanyl overdoses, poisonings because of an open border. Sex trafficking, women and children would increase on an open border and more. No inspector, terrorists and people on the watch list will get into the country through an open border. So I was insulted that President Biden took the most secure border in my lifetime and unsecured it on purpose. And I mean that. Look, I worked for six presidents, starting with Ronald Reagan. Every president I worked for, including Obama and Clinton, took steps to secure the border. They clearly understood. You can't have national security if you don't have border security. President Biden, the first president history of this nation who came in unsecured border. So it upset me because I knew every day someone's going to die crossing that border. Women are going to be sexually assaulted crossing that border. So when President Trump called me, he asked me if you want to come back and help fix that border, I didn't hesitate. I came back because I think it's the right thing to do.

[Lynn Williams]

You've worked obviously doing what you've done. It spanned decades. So obviously one could easily surmise you have a lot of intel, you have a lot of access to information that the average American citizen may not know or what have you. Let me ask you this, and I don't mean to ask it politically, but I'm asking it this way. Have you received any kind of explanation as to why former President Biden literally went against what former President Barack Obama did during his presidency? 1. And the numbers show he actually deported more immigrants out of this country than Trump did. Yet Biden comes into office in 2020 and he went completely against what Obama had done. You ever received intel explanation as to why he did that?

[Sam Mewis]

You know, that's a great question. You're the first one to ask me that question right now. I surmise, I have an opinion that I think this administration thought these millions of people are going to be future Democratic voters. But one of the things Biden also did, in addition to destroying all the programs we put in place to give us the most secure border, he over Trump overturned the Trump census rule, which means millions of people they release in sanctuary cities will be counted in the next census, which is going to result in what? More seats in house for the damage. So I truly believe they saw future political benefit from this. But you're exactly right and I've said this. Why do I think he did it on purpose? Because Joe Biden was vice president under Barack Obama when he had those record removals. Alejandro Mayorkas was a deputy secretary under Obama. When we have those removals and we had a families, we had thousands of families coming across the border every day. How did we stop it? We built family residential centers. We held them long enough to see a judge. 90% lost a case. 90%. So we put them in an airplane, send them home. Border numbers change. So both those men knew how we solved that crisis. When they came back in as now the secretary and the president, what did they do? The complete opposite. They didn't detain, they released, they didn't make them see A judge, and they weren't removing them. So they did a complete opposite of what they knew worked under President Obama.

[Lynn Williams]

Wow. Let me ask you this though, because you mentioned children on, on several of your answers already and I know you mentioned you're trying to find children that were separated from their parents. How does that process work actually? How do you go about the business of finding, you know, children that have been separated from their parents?

[Sam Mewis]

Well, I guess that's, I'll be honest with you, I've been honest from day one. That's just, that is going to be the hardest out of the three goals that I have. That is going to be the hardest. And for obvious reasons. Half a million children, more than half a million children were smuggled in the country, separated from their parents, put in the hands of criminal cartels to be brought in this country legally. And you know, you and I, we leave our child in a car in the middle of summer, we'll get arrested. But these 500,000 children were put in the hands of criminal cartels released into the country by the last administration. Last administration was concerned about one thing, optics. So the instructions to or which is division HHS was to process release as quickly as you can. Because if there's no overcrowding, we can say the board secured nothing to see here. Right? Even the secretary of HHS Becerra on stage several times, he was bragging how quickly they release these children. So so called sponsors. Here's a problem. They didn't vet these sponsors appropriately under, under Trump administration we did DNA testing. We not only sponsored, we not only vetted the sponsor, we vetted everybody in that household to make sure there wasn't child predator in that household, make sure there wasn't a gang member of the household. We took a lot of steps to make sure these children gonna be safe when they're sent to the sponsors under this administration, the whistleblowers. HHS has made it clear many of these sponsors weren't fingerprinted. Many of them, they weren't run through record checks. And many of the identification they provided was not assured that it was legitimate identification. So here's the issue. Now we got 300,000 children we need to find. And there's a way to find you and me, Stephen. We have a footprint, we have a digital footprint. We own homes, we own cars, we pay bills, we got, we got loans, you know, and we got, we got utility bills, whatever they can find us. But a child don't have that digital footprint, which means we got to use the digital footprint of the sponsors and what information they provided. And we know a lot of the information is fraudulent. So it's going to be a difficult job. I can tell you right now, we'll find some of these children. And not every one of these children are in harm's way. Many of them won't find their with their parents, but many of them are not. Based on my four decades of doing this, many of these children will be in forced labor. We already found many in forced labor. Some are going to be in sexual slavery. And so we need to find these children, save them. But that's the hardest part about this job, because of the data that we, we have is not the best data in the world, but we're not going to give up. President Trump's committed do everything we can to find these children.

[Lynn Williams]

Let me get back to you with this question, too, though. You're considered one of the masterminds of the first Trump administration's infamous zero tolerance policy, which led to the separation of thousands of migrant children from their parents, in the eyes of many, at the very least, the idea led to the separation of more than, I think, 4,000 children from their parents. And some were lamenting that some of them were put in cages. How do you answer these questions? For those that don't know, how do you answer questions like that, like I just posed to you, in terms of 4,000 children being separated from their parents?

[Sam Mewis]

Absolutely. So where does zero tolerance come from? Zero tolerance came from this. 31% of women in the Mediterranean journey get raped by the criminal cartels. Children were dying on that border every day, dying either drowning, a river, dying, making that journey. Children were sexually assaulted, and children were dying in the desert. You know, they made that journey. And a lot of women and children not only died, many were sexually assaulted. So we said, look, how can we save lives? How can we stop the sexual assault of children? So we said, look, let's prosecute them because it's a crime to enter this country legally. So if we prosecute them and put them in jail, maybe the numbers go down, maybe less will come. And it worked. Zero tolerance, that the numbers of families put themselves in harm's way and putting themselves in hands of criminal cartels dropped significantly. However, the sad part about it, the unfortunate part about it, is that when you prosecute a parent and put them in jail, the child won't go with them. And I'll say this. I started as a police officer in New York. Police agencies across this country separate families a thousand times a day across this country because the child doesn't go to jail with a parent. And I've said during my testimony, one time I was testifying at Hill when I was a cop in New York, when I went to domestic violence call and I arrested the father, I separated that family. Child can't go to jail with them. When I arrested DUI and he had a child in the car, I separated that family. It's an unfortunate and sad, saddest part of law enforcement. Families get separated when the parents get arrested. So we do let the families a thousand times a day in this country with Americans, but they want a different set of rules for illegal aliens. But the whole intent of doing this was to save lives with less sexual assaults on women and children. That was the whole purpose for it. But they keep harping on that. Trump's family separation policy. But In Detroit, about 4,000. But they don't talk about the 500,000, a half a million separations that this administration responsible for, because they sent a message to the whole world, if you're a child and across this country illegally, you're not going to be deported. We'll deliver you to the very same people who paid a criminal cartel to smuggle in this country. So, you know, we did, what we did was try to save lives and decrease sexual assaults. What they did was send a message to the whole world. Dow can cross the border, we'll get them to the final destination at government expense and reward the people who paid the criminal cartels. And that's why the numbers exploded, because there's no consequence. We had a consequence. They did.

[Lynn Williams]

That's an incredible, incredibly compelling answer that you just gave. I can't refute it. No one should, as far as I'm concerned, sir. But I would ask you this because whether it's optics or it's a reality, listening to what you said, how sensitive you are to these issues, what one would argue diametrically opposes that is when we see one story, and granted it's one individual, but it's still a 10 year old in Texas who's a US citizen being deported to Mexico, you know, suffering from brain cancer. You've seen that story plastered all over the news wires over the last couple of days. How do you explain your mode of thinking and your explanation about why you do what you do and why you're committed to doing what you're doing, which is pretty damn close to irrefutable, I might add. But then we see a case like that happening. How do you judge?

[Sam Mewis]

You and I are on the same page, actually. I've been on travel the last couple of days. I saw that story on my way to work this morning. I read that story and what did I do? I immediately contacted the office of the Board of Children. I said I want facts in this case because many times the facts are different what you read in the media. But I've already inquired about it, what happened here, what's a ground truth here? So I'm looking into it. I read that story this morning. I know I'm a day behind, but I get hundreds of phone calls, hundred texts, I have a lot of meetings, I'm on an airplane all the time. But I've asked this morning because we want to make sure, look, I've been, I've been honest from the beginning. We want to be transparent American people. If we screw up, we didn't know we screw up if we do something. So, so I've already asked that question. I don't have the facts on it yet. I've asked for fact, ground truth on that and I'll deal with it once I get the, the facts up on the ground from what actually happened. Because many times what you read in the media, they leave half the story out. Sometimes they don't, but I'm going to find out.

[Lynn Williams]

Well, I appreciate that answer and that's very honest to stand up for you. Thank you for saying that. Are you saying that you don't know all the facts yet and if you do find out that this 10 year old child was indeed a United States citizen, that you will make sure that child is not deported?

[Sam Mewis]

I'll make sure I get all the facts and make decision based on the facts. I can't tell you what I'm going to do. Yeah, the facts could be a thousand different ways, right? But like are the parents a public safety threat? Are they national security? They can't be here. And so we got to find out what the facts are. But we'll make a, we'll make a decision that is the most humanitarian thing we can do.

[Lynn Williams]

Let me switch to sanctuary cities because obviously I've seen you and I must, I shouldn't say this, it's actually bad for me to say this on camera, but I haven't minded you at all, you know, going at elected officials and law enforcement officials and letting them know that they were going to be accountable if they didn't follow the law. It didn't bother me at all to see that from you. But I am wondering what are your future plans for sanctuary cities and do you see a legal solution to Sanctuary cities in this country.

[Sam Mewis]

I actually do. We're working on some things right now. I don't want to share it here on this podcast because it's law enforcement sensitive. We're working on some things now, but I can say this. Sanctuary cities are sanctuary criminals and we're going to hold them accountable. And Pam Bondi, now that she's the attorney general, she's already filed lawsuits and we're going to continue filing lawsuits because we think knowingly releasing a public safety threat back into the public is just dumb. There's no reason. In fact, when you release a public safety threat back in the public, it puts our officers at great risk because rather than arresting somebody in the safety and security of county jail, now we got to go to the neighborhood and find them, which is dangerous for the officer, dangerous for the alien, because anything can happen on a street arrest, and it's certainly dangerous for the community. So we want to make in sanctuary cities, they don't understand they're hurting themselves. Because when you don't give us access to the bad guy locked in a jail, so which is safe for everybody, you release them to the community, you're going to get exactly what you don't want. You're going to put the public at greater risk of crime because many will commit another crime. And what, you're going to force ICE in the community? We'll find the bad guy, but when we find him, he's probably with others, others that aren't a criminal threat, but they're in the country legally. Well, they're going to go to. Because we're not going to turn our back on illegal animals once we find it. We're going to let ICE do their job and enforce immig. So what you get being a sanctuary city is exactly what you don't want. More officers in the community and more collateral rest because we found them while we're looking for the bad guy. So we want the sanctuary cities do one thing. Let us end the jail. Let us talk to the person that you locked in the jail cell because obviously the public safety threat give us access to that person. It's safer for everybody. It's the right thing to do. And the message from sanctuary cities is this. Which is. Which is a bunch of crap. Well, we're a sanctuary city. We're welcome in jurisdiction because we want illegal aliens to feel safe when they want to report crimes or the victim of crime to come to us for help without the fear of working with ice. That is just. That is so false because number one we don't want to talk to victim witness. We want to talk to the guy you locked in a jail cell. And if you go talk to the victim and witness and ask them do you want the bad guy released back in your neighborhood, the victim and witness don't want him back either. So let us get access to the person locked in that taxpayer funded jail to help drive crime down the neighborhood and make it safe for officers alien in the community. It just makes sense to me as a career cop, I don't understand why any elected official whose number one responsibility is protection their community, why would you not work with us to remove a child rapist from the community rather than release them back in the community.

[Lynn Williams]

I got about three more questions for you because I know your time is precious and I really appreciate you giving me this time. Prior to the election, you pledged to conduct the largest deportation in American history. Now there's more than 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the United States. Where do we stand today in terms of identifying those individuals and deporting them out of the country?

[Sam Mewis]

Great question, because I read media stories more we're deporting less people than Joe Biden. Yeah. Because Joe Biden had millions of people coming across the border every year and a lot of border patrols are removing a lot of them. So you can't compare. The administration isn't how many removed, it's number one, how many did you release into the country legally and by administration it's in the millions. And the more important question is how many interior arrests people in the interior country do arrest. If you look at those numbers, we're about three times higher than Joe Biden was during the same time period. We got about 36,000 arrests so far. Vast majority of criminals because President Trump has promised American people on this mass deportation operation. The worst, first the criminals first because they're the biggest dangers of communities. National security threats, public safety threats. That's what we're concentrating on. But that aperture will open to the 1.4 million that had due process, a great taxpayer expense were order removed. But instead of leaving, they became effusive. That aperture opened up. You can see the rest increased in the very near future. But the problem is sanctuary cities. Sanctuary cities are making us less efficient. Rather than one agent arresting one bad guy in a jail, now we got to send a whole team into the neighborhood for officer safety reasons to find somebody that want to be found. So that's slowing us up. But what we'll do, we'll double the man forceful sanctuary cities we'll double the teens. We're not going to be stopped. But we'll overcome all the roadblocks we're putting in, but we're going to get it done.

[Lynn Williams]

But you're talking about in Guantanamo Bay, for example. There's tens of thousands of available space, but there are millions of immigrants in this country illegally. So I'm saying if you're successful from a deportation standpoint in terms of locating who those individuals are, there's only but so much room in Guantanamo Bay. Where else are they going to go? What are you going to do with them?

[Sam Mewis]

Another great question. I've been on media for the last two weeks. Congress needs to fund this operation. We need money because you're right, every illegal animal we arrest, we need a bed for. Our beds are almost full right now. So we need money so we can do what the American people voted for. The number one issue was illegal immigration, removing criminal aliens. So Congress needs to come and give us the funding to do this. We need to buy more beds. We need to buy, have more out of country planes. We need more contracts to have more contract people come in and do the work that doesn't require law enforcement. Law enforcement is currently doing. So you're exactly right. Congress needs to come through. I'm hoping they sign a bill today or hopefully tonight. We need a bill right now, but we need reconciliation. We need money to be successful because if we more money we have, the more successful we're going to be.

[Lynn Williams]

I gotta admit, Mr. Homan, that should be the easiest part of your job. I mean, the President has all three branches of government in his favor. I mean, the GOP has that. The White House, the Senate, the House. I mean, it shouldn't be difficult at this particular moment in time for them to give you what you want since they assigned you to do this job. But I want to transition real quick to undocumented workers. So a lot of people argue, you know, they've had a massive economic benefit. They've been a massive economic benefit to this country. They pay taxes, are important to the workforce, are less violent than some naturalized citizens. That's the things that you keep hearing people say. What role does that play in your thinking when it comes to issues of deportation?

[Sam Mewis]

Look, if you're in the country illegally, you got a problem. It's not okay to be here legally. But as you know, we're prioritizing worse than the worst fugitives. And here's the, here's the issue. I'll use one example, and this is a true example. I Had a new roof put on my house. Two years ago I had to call six companies before I got a company that guaranteed me a legal workforce. And one person that showed up was a father and son. Father and son used to have 20 United States citizen employees. But him and his son came by and said, can I just repair the roof? Do we need to replace the roof? Because him and son can't replace whole roof. Here's a story he told me. He had to fire 20 USS employees because he was competing against all these companies. Had illegal aliens paying them seven bucks an hour getting on the roof. Well, he was paying us system 20 bucks to get out of roof. People need to understand that no one hires an illegal alien on the goodness of heart so hard. Pay them less, work them further, work them harder, and undercut their competition as US citizen employees. Now I'll say this. If we need, we need that type of staff to become this country and work, then it's up to Congress to make the changes. But we can't condone hiring illegal analysts because that's what drives everything else. When you overwhelm the board with so with what people call innocent immigration, just people coming here for a better life, people coming for a job. But what they need to understand, there's an ugly underbelly of that because when you, when you overwhelm the border, you type border up with what they call innocent immigration, it overwhelms the border, which means there's less agents on the border to arrest people smuggling fentanyl. There's less people agents on the border stop the sex trafficking. What happened to Joe Biden? Joe Biden caused such a huge surge in illegal immigration. 70% of agents were pulled off the line to deal with humanitarian crisis and deal this so called innocent illegal immigration. And when they did that, what happened, Steve? 600% increase in sex trafficking. We had a quarter million Americans dead from fentanyl. We got a record number of people on terrorist watch across the border. So we got to do this legally. There are millions of people standing in line right now, taking their tests, paying their fees, doing the background investigation, come to the country the right way, they're sitting in the backseat because CIS is overwhelmed with fraudulent asylum claims. So I get it. If we need a workforce, need more workforce in the country, then we create a legal program. They can come with a visa so they don't have to pay a criminal cartel. They don't have to give their whole life savings to put themselves at risk for the criminal cartel and swim across the river and drown so Congress needs to do some work. But we can't condone illegal immigration. We can't condone, go ahead and enter the country legally and we're not going to be looking for it. We got to send a message to the whole world. There's a set of rules, there's a right way and a wrong way to come to the greatest nation on earth. Let's do things the right way. Well, I got, I got to look at legislative branch, Congress to do that. But in the meantime, we can't okay illegal immigration because it's going to result in more people dying, more women being raped, more cartels, you know, making more money to come to blood this country with poisonous fentanyl.

[Lynn Williams]

Very last question to you, sir. I give you the floor. You want America to know what about ice? Right now, today, and moving forward.

[Sam Mewis]

I'm sick and tired of reading stories that ICE is going to raid your school, they're going to raid your churches, they're doing neighborhood suites. People need to understand everybody that ICE arrests is based on a targeted enforcement operation, which means they know who they're going to arrest. They have a pretty good idea where they're going. They have to drop an operational plan. So it's not neighborhood sweeps. We're not going through neighborhoods looking for people different than us. And when we got way sense of location policy, we ended it. Why? Because we have to go to a high school resident, Ms. 13 member. We know there right now he's a public safety threat. We need to go in that high school along with the local authorities and arrest that public safety threat. Doesn't mean we're going to raid the school. We're going to arrest the bad guy that's in the high school. The same as every other federal law enforcement, law enforcement agency, state law enforcement agency, local. They all do it. And I should not have a different set of rules. We'll go into schools, arrest a public safety threat, significant public safety threat, purchase. We'll never raid a church. But if we know there's a national security threat we know is in a church right now that we're looking for, we know he's sitting there right now. We're going to arrest that person. Doesn't mean we're raiding school. It doesn't mean we're raiding churches. We're not raiding hospitals, which I saw, I see lots of left media saying that they're scaring the immigrant community. I want people to go to school. We want people to go see their doctor and go to hospital, go to church. We got to straighten that narrative out. It's a left that are putting fear in the immigrant community. We are basing our operations right now on the worst of the worst criminals. So go to church, go get your medical care, send your children to school. We're not raiding those places. We're doing the same thing every law enforcement agency does. It's not sweeps, target enforcement operation. A lot of planning. We do this carefully. The agents are very, very professional. So I just wish the left would just state the truth and what we're exactly doing. Look at the data. As I just said, 36,000 arrests, vast majority of criminals. We're doing exactly what President Trump said we would do and that what that I said we would do. We're concentrating on worse. Worse first.

[Lynn Williams]

There's no left or right here. I'm saying I care about the damn truth. And as far as I'm concerned, I want you to know, first of all, you're welcome back on the show anytime. I would love to have you back on to get in more intensive conversations about this, even more so than we just did over this last 20 plus minutes. I thank you for your time and please feel free. Anytime you've got something to say and you want to come back and you want to have a conversation, please know that you're welcome to come back on the show. So I really appreciate it. Thank you very much.

[Sam Mewis]

Thank you, sir. I appreciate you.

[Lynn Williams]

All right, the one and only Tom Holman, AKA the borders are. He oversees the southern border, the northern border, all maritime, and of course, aviation security. Mr. Tom Holman right here on the Stephen A. Smith Show. Really, really happy that he came on. Coming up, he's the greatest shooter God ever created. And last night, Steph Curry did something we may never see again. I'll get into that and respond to your tweets. All that up next to close out the show right here with your boy, Stephen A. Smith. Don't go away. What's up, everybody? Stephen A. Smith here. Recently we made news because the great Bill O'Reilly announced a tour that's coming nearest you in the very, very near future. Get your tickets now for this. It's called Three Americans Live March 30th at Live Nation's Flagstar at the Westbury Music Fair on Long Island. Don't miss the very first show as myself, Chris Cuomo and yes, that man, Bill O'Reilly. Take our different ideas, our different backgrounds, our different beliefs across the country to demonstrate that respectful, meaningful and and even fun conversation. Those are the things that make America as great as it should be. The show will be spirited, unscripted and all three of us will let it fly as we discuss the topics everyone is thinking about these days. There will also be questions from the audience. We're not running Tickets are officially on sale now with Pre sale code [e-mail] VIP packages are available with the opportunity opportunity to meet and take photos with myself and both those fellas. That's three Americans live March 30th at the Westbury Music Fair on Long Island. Additional dates and cities to be announced. Don't miss it. Trust me, you'll get a kick out of it.

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Visit Albertsons or Safeway.com for more details. Foreign A Smith Show I want to get into the NBA and the history we saw last night in San Francisco. That's where the one and only Steph Curry Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy Birthday. No, I'm not a singer, but he did turn 37 years of age today and the night before, as in last night he made his 4,000th three point shot. So let's put the smile tone into this proper perspective please. You may recall that Steph broke the NBA's all time three point shooting record three years ago when he passed Ray Allen's mark of 2,973 back in December of 2021. Steph has since made more than 1,000 threes and he's still going, ladies and gentlemen. He just turned 37 today. As I started off three seasons ago, he had reached the 3,000 career mark on three pointers. He's averaging 11.23 point attempts per game this year, making 4.43 pointers per game. Right? And those attempts are second to Lamelo Ball. And also Steph is shooting a hair under 40 from 3 for the season. Some people have said the real question is can, can, can Steph Curry reach 5,000 and three pointers? Let's put this in this proper perspective first, okay? Do y'all understand that right Now Steph Curry is 873. He has seven, 873more three pointers than any play in NBA history. James Harden II, you see his resume right there? Four time champion, two time MVP, 10 time all star, all NBA first team four times 11 time NBA all star, two all star game MVPs, two time NBA scoring champion, NBA 75th anniversary team, Olympic gold medalist in 2024. The resume is impeccable. It's other, otherworldly. We all know this, okay? But with 873more three pointers than any player in NBA history, second is James Harden. Let's not forget that his three point percentage shooting 42.4%, third all time with a minimum of 2500 attempts. Free throw percentage shooting 91.1%. That's the best in NBA history. And his true shooting percentage is eighth all time at 62 and a half percent. The brother is on another level. He's one of seven players in NBA history with at least four championships and two league MVP awards. Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul Jabbal, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan and LeBron James are the other six. All right? That's who we're talking about when we talk about Steph Curry. So when I bring all of that up to you and I throw out that resume, I have a very, very, very simple question. A. Does he belong in a goat conversation? Yes. That's not saying he's the goat. That means when you mention the goat or you have a conversation about the goat, you do need to consider the greatest shooter God has ever created. Who's a four time champion and a two time league mvp. An NBA Finals mvp, a gold medalist, you kind of need to think about these things. And one of the things that was sacrilegious in a lot of people's eyes is when I brought up, is he the greatest point guard ever? Now my man Eddie Johnson on NBA radio and others was like, that's just sacrilegious. Magic Johnson is the greatest point guard we've ever seen. John Stockton, Isaiah Thomas, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton and others. Chris Paul, the point God himself, CP3, they're all up there. I'm not talking about quintessential, prototypical point guards. That's not what I'm saying, ladies and gentlemen. I'm saying if you look at Magic Johnson, let's take into account Magic Johnson, who's five. Five championships, okay? Five championships, nine NBA Finals appearances. We get that part right? Here's what I want y'all to think about. I'm not talking quintessential, prototypical point guard. That's setting up others. That's not what I mean with Steph Curry. I'm talking about impact on an offense. Magic Johnson, six, nine. With, with, with, with, with. Three eyes, for crying out loud. One in the back, his head, two in the front, okay? With a sixth sense about him, just a sublime point guard affected the game in a myriad of ways that led to championships. Well, what the hell has Steph Curry done? Steph Curry has had people in the hospital receiving oxygen because as JR Smith once told Matthew Della, Dov almost died chasing Steph Curry around all game long. Every defense has to keep its collective head on a swivel trying to find where he is at all times because he can pull up from anywhere. His conditioning is top notch compared to anybody at age 36. He just dropped 56 a couple of weeks ago. He's been averaging over 30 since Jimmy Butler arrived. And by the way, with all of that being said, he is the only player in NBA history that you literally have to man up in. God, the second he steps past half court. That is how lethal the great Steph Curry is and has been. It is who he is. He's that phenomenal. He's that great. So again, Magic Johnson doing what he does impact compared to Steph Curry doing what he does impact. What would you rather have? It's a legitimate question. LeBron James, my number two all time. MJ, my number one. Because MJ at his best, I believe, is the greatest I've ever seen in my life. And oh, by the way, let's not even bring Steph Curry into the category of him when it comes to defense. LeBron shows you what he can do, but he doesn't do it often enough defensively throughout his career, which is another reason I got him number two. But he's still number two because we see what the Lakers look like without LeBron James at age 40, in his 22nd season. No doubt about it. And needless to say, I'm just being showing my professionalism. I'm obviously in no mood to show him any kind of love. But we gotta be honest, I'm never gonna lie. The man is that phenomenal. Got him number two all time. But Shaq is right. We got to look at Steph Curry a little differently, y'all. It can't just be. Well, he's just a great shooter and that's all there is. His movement without the basketball, his ball handling skills, his ability to create his own shot off the dribble from 10, 20, 30, 40, damn it. Sometimes 50 and 60ft. He's that great. He's that spectacular. We got to give it to him. And when we got to give it to him on that level, we got to ask ourselves, where do you put them? If we gonna talk about Kobe top five, and we're gonna talk about the Tim Duncan's of the world top five, how we summarily dismiss the notion of Steph Curry being in that conversation. Definitely top 10. And then if you're gonna say top 10, who do you take out of it? Who you take out? Do you take out Duncan, take out Bird, take out Kobe? Who you take out? Who you gonna take out? We gotta ask ourselves these questions, mind you. We gotta ask ourselves these questions. All I'm saying is he warrants a legitimate discussion because it's undeniable that he now belongs in the conversation. If we're able to call him the greatest shooter God has ever created as a. I mean, if you're going to be in the goat conversation, don't you have to be the goat in something? He's the goat when it comes to shooting. I know about the resume of Kareem Abdul. I know about the 11 championships in 13 years from Bill Russell. I know about how rules had to be changed because of the greatness of Wilt Chamberlain, even though he only had two titles. I know Tim Duncan's the greatest powerful that ever lived. Giannis, at some point is going to belong in the conversation in a lot of people's eyes. Steph Curry, man, it's just special salute on his 37th birthday, we can give him nothing but praise. He is that phenomenal. He truly, truly is. Happy birthday, my brother. And congratulations to you. You. Now let's get to some of the tweets before I get on out of here for the day. Okay, so here we got this here. These people come up with this stuff. I just don't Understand? The Captain America versus Red Hulk. I'm gonna pick Red Hulk, okay? I mean, Captain America, mad love for you, but damn it, that's the Hulk right there. Thor versus Loki. Of course I'm gonna go with Thor. Spider man versus Venom. You know Venom with them teeth. Those spider webs ain't gonna hold him, man. I can't see that. That. I'm gonna go with Venom on that one. And then Iron man versus Thanos. Thanos. Thanos is superhuman. I mean, I'm gonna go with him. Okay, so then we go from there. So we got Red Hulk, Thor, Venom, and Thanos. I'm gonna pick Thanos over Venom. I'm gonna pick Thor over the red Hulk. Because Red. Red Hulk couldn't even lift his hand, but Hammer couldn't even lift the hammer. I'm gonna go with that right after I do that. So now we got with Thor going up against Thanos. Yo, y'all, Thor couldn't mess with Thanos until he had help. I'm gonna go with Thanos. Remember when Thanos beat up. The whole Hulk was throwing him around, and they were like, just wait for it. Cause Thanos was just toying with him, taking, like, looking at the shots, looking at all the effort he was put forth, acting like he was hurting them. Him. Then he just beat him up. Remember when he choked and strangled Loki? Remember when Thor was helpless? But to watch Thanos is the dude to go to. It's going. It took all of them to stop him. So I'm gonna go with Thanos. That's the first tweet. What you got next at Big Orange Punch, right? Stephen A. Smith. Dewey or Brick. Fight to the death. Death. Well, I'm gonna go with Brick because that's the name of my soap opera character in General Hospital. We gonna go with that. That's all. I don't even need to look at those two. Anybody that's got the name Brick is who I'm gonna favor. Watch General Hospital weekdays on Channel 7. Okay. 2:00 in some markets, 3:00. And others for General Hospital soap opera. Trust me, you'll love it. Next tweet, last tweet. What you got at Sour Patch Kids. Now, I love that because I love me some Sour Patch and I'm a kid, even though I'm 57. Stephen A. Smith. If you could bring back any elite team from 2000 to 2024, which team would it be and why? That's a hard one, because for me, I loved Shaq and Kobe and the crew in LA at the beginning of the century. I loved LeBron with D. Wade and those boys in Miami. You know, I gotta say that, because it was. I mean, Miami is just a special, special place. And it was all because LeBron elected to go there. And LeBron and D. Wade and those boys were in Miami. Those. Some of the best years of my life. I just. I just want to say that. Some best years of my life. I'm reminiscing. That's number two. Having said that, believe it or not, though, that first year should say the first year. But when KD arrived in Golden State and KD was with the Splash brothers, that was special. I can't front. That was special. It. It's hard, man. But I'm gonna say LA with Kobe and Shaq and the crew, because they made. I mean, when KD went to Golden State, it was such. It flipped so dramatically. The balance of power. It didn't even make no sense to watch. Okay? And they were very entertaining with this. With this sniper like, tendencies, or whatever, but damn it, it was almost unfair. But when I watched the Lakers with Kobe and Shaq and Orion and Shaw and Derek Fish and the crew. Let me tell y'all something. Listen, I was in Sacramento for that Game seven for their second championship, when they had Mike Bibby and C. Webb and Vladi Divach and all those cats, I was there. It's 23 years later, y'all. It's top two or three of one of the greatest basketball environments I've ever experienced in my life. When I was in Sacramento for that Game seven, it was spectacular. And the series was big time, too. I'm just saying that. I'm just saying. That's it for this edition of the Stephen A. Smith Show. Hope you all enjoyed it. And thanks again to Mr. Tom Holman for coming on the show. The borders are for coming on the Stephen A. Smith Show. He didn't have to do that, ladies and gentlemen. He's a busy man with a busy schedule. He don't have time to play games. He's on a mission. But he took time to come on this show, and I really, really appreciate it. So thank. Thank you again to Mr. Tom Holman for taking time out of his very busy schedule to join the Stephen A. Smith Show. Hope you all enjoyed the show and hope you all enjoy a absolutely wonderful and fruitful week. And be blessed. Be safe until Monday. I'll see y'all. Peace of love, everybody.

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