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Threw him under the bus. You did everything to him. And I'm in no way trying to act like he's some innocent bystander in all of this. But when the word hypocrisy comes up, there's no escaping it. There's no escaping it. I got more on politics coming up in just a minute, but I gotta get to something else first cause I gotta pay some bills here. All right, so listen up. Game time is letting you know the temperature is dropping and there's snow on the football field. Indoor arenas are awesome too. I'm hyped because there's nothing like witnessing a game winning, two point conversion or field goal that gets cheering fans on their feet. Game time is telling you now it's time. You feel that level of excitement and energy from the crowd by being in the stands and not sitting on a sofa. You can only get that game time feel when you're screaming defense, defense. With 70,000 fans. And gametime can make it happen for you. 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According to records from the Federal Election Commission, the Harris Walsh campaign made two separate donations of $250,000 to Sharpton's group on September 5 and October 1. Harris sat down with Sharpton for an MSNBC interview that aired on October 20, nearly three weeks after the donations from her campaign to the National Action Network took place. How you think that looks? See, I know a lot of people gonna sit up here and they gonna want me to get on Reverend Al Sharpton. I know a lot of people who would have taken the money. I'm not gonna knock him for that. He was gonna vote for her no matter what. He certainly wasn't gonna vote for Trump, Oprah Winfrey and the two and a half million dollars. I didn't like that that her production company received. But it wasn't illegal. It just came across as a bit disingenuous. Because if you're that fervent of a supporter for Kamala Harris, why do you need to be paid if you're a billionaire, especially and it's two and a half million dollars now, Shelton and the National Action Network, they don't have billions. I'm not gonna knock them for taking the money. I don't applaud it. I don't think it looks great. But no crime committed here, at least as far as I know. Kamala Harris, her campaign and the Democrats are another matter. Do you have any idea how pathetic y'all look, that you were literally paying people who supported you before they sat down with you and gave you the interview, what would be the incentive to that? Could that be so they didn't ask you certain questions and they did ask you other questions, and that you knew the interviews were gonna be all nice and fluffy and cozy inside? Was that it? Because it makes no sense. Oprah Winfrey was not gonna vote for Donald Trump. Al Sharpton was not gonna vote for Donald Trump. His support for you and the Democratic Party is clear and consistent. So how do you look paying them? How do you look paying Oprah or the bevy of other individuals that will probably learn you're paid before you sat down and did interviews with them? It doesn't look good. Now, if that's not bad enough, and you're just saying, Stephen A. This is no political aficionado, who the hell is he to open his mouth about this particular subject? Okay, let's go to a Democratic strategist that has existed for years, especially one who made a name for himself during the Clinton administration or Clinton's campaign to the White house. How about Mr. James Carville himself? Let's see what he had to say right there. The word unfathomable when it came to spending and how it's going to hurt the Democratic brand. The resistance is going to have trouble raising money. Amen to that. First of all, how you blow $1.5 billion. Secondly, what the hell are you doing needing more money and more fundraising to be done when you were already given $1.5 billion? Third, where the hell did that money go? Is that why you spent. Is that why you gave over some money? Is that why you gave Al Sharpton some money? Because you wanted to justify the allocation of those funds? I don't know the answer to this question. I know it looks bad. I know it looked desperate. And I also know that when you consider the inordinate amount of times where there were interviews that Kamala Harris could have done and should have done but failed to do, probably on the advice of a counsel filled with a bunch of young folks wet behind the ears, breath smelling like Similac ideological ideologues fixated on changing the fabric and the culture of America, it slammed right in their face. How could you do something like this? How could you look this way? Got stars out there showing up. Did they get paid, too? I don't know the answer to these questions. I know they're legitimate questions. It just looks that damn bad. I didn't believe, and I could not have believed that when Donald Trump was running for office and decided to run for reelection and when he blew the moment, because, remember, there was an assassination attempt. Not just the two, but the first one, when the blood was trickling down his face, he was on the ground and he was raised up and Secret Service was surrounding him and he raised his fist in the air and the American flag was behind him. I didn't think there was a better visual that a politician could ever get in their lifetime. But then he opened his mouth in the days and the weeks and the months to follow. And I said to myself, I've never seen anybody blow an opportunity the way Donald Trump did. And somehow, someway, it all ended up to be not true. Why? Because the Democrats made it so it wasn't just about him winning. Y'all lost big time because people were calling y'all hypocrites and they were calling y'all full of it. And they were saying, y'all can't be trusted any more than you say he can't be trusted. And then you go out and you prove them right. You've got nothing if you're the Democratic Party. Here's my advice to you, shout, shut up. Wait for him to get pushed into office or to accept inauguration on January 20th and he becomes the 47th president of the United States officially. Wait for then, and then judge him accordingly. Stop talking about the past. The American people have already told you to kick rocks. They don't care what you have to say anymore. As Democrats, you have been squashed, obliterated. Nobody in the White House. You don't have the House, you don't have the Senate. And then you gonna walk around talking about how, oh, well, he didn't get 50% of the vote. Well, you didn't either. You lost. And every time you bring up something now and every time something comes up, you look even worse. Donald Trump is walking into office looking good, looking good because of you, because of how y'all chose to act, how y'all chose to conduct yourself, how you leaned onto the fringes and got a bit extreme and engaged in culture and identity politics and wokeness and all of this other stuff. You look bad. And Biden was supposed to be the dude that was so upstanding that he gives his word and he keeps his word, even though we knew he wasn't going to do it. And all he had to do was say, it's my son. A one sentence statement, it's my son. America. I could not live with myself in my last years knowing that I let him go to prison. I could not do it. That's all he had to say. But he was feeling himself yet again and put his foot in his mouth yet again. And not just on behalf of himself, but on the Democratic Party. No wonder why a healthy portion of America is done with y'all. You do this to yourself. You do it to yourself. Coming up, the Eagles show up and beat down Baltimore while Russell Wilson shows out in Cincinnati. I got all the action for Week 13 in the NFL season with the one and only Chris Carter. But first, a particular rapper, a big time rapper, along with other things because he's big time, period, makes a very bold statement about the impact he's made on the world of music and entertainment. He damn near said he was the goat and I don't know if I could disagree with him. I'll tell you who I'm talking about up next. Don't go away. You're watching the Stephen A. Smith Show. Back with more in a minute. I want to take a second to make sure you all know that with the NFL in full swing and games being played Thursday night, Sunday night, even Monday night, I could not be more excited. But what's even more exciting is that Prospects wants to help you cash in on all those big time games. You see. 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I want to take a moment to switch and transition the two stories from the world of entertainment that caught my eye this weekend. The first comes from the world of hip hop, which has roots in my hometown, Queens, New York. Did y'all see what my fellow Queens native LL Cool J said about his relevance and impact on the rap game? For those of you who didn't see it, check this out, please. They're gonna look and say, wow. When it comes to the jewelry, this is the guy that introduced all the diamond and ice and the champagne. They're gonna say, when it comes to the love songs, this is the guy who introduced the love songs and all the love shit. When it comes to the bad boy vibe, they're going to realize, oh, this is the guy who introduced all the rebellious bad boy vibes before it was done. When it comes to the goat terminology, they're going to say, yo, this is the guy who came up with the goat stuff. They're going to say, when it comes to Def Jam, wow. This is the first artist that was deaf. He's right. He's right. Think about it. Go LL the greatest of all time, Cool J. The greatest of all time, y'all. Don't Remember that? Nobody was saying that before him. Love songs, boys to men. Before that, I need love. Hey, lover. You don't remember that? It was Harlem at the Rutgers. I saw you with your man, smiling, Coach, bag in the hand. I was laying in the coop with the hat turned back. We caught eyes for a moment and that was that. Then I skated off as you strolled off, looking at them legs. Goddamn, you look so soft, so fine. Are you kidding me? Where did you hear that? When did you hear that? Now, this is a brother that loved Big Daddy Kane. This is from the lovin. You remember that? What I'm going to do is keep the flame warm and sing a better love song than Jeffrey Osborne. Serenade a couple. What I mean is a couple that might want to hug a snuggle in their kiss and say, I love you. See, you don't understand. You understand what you're listening to. You understand where I'm coming from. I got my little nephew over there. Like, damn. I ain't know my uncle knew it like that. You see what I'm saying? That's the world I come from. You listening to LL break down. I remember when he would get into it, all, right, with Kumo, dude, lower level, lackluster. I mean, you don't remember that stuff? Went after LL Went after him. I remember when cannabis tried to come after him. He said, can I bust? Yes, you can. I mean, Lord have mercy. Let's bring it back. Memories. Let's bring back memories. I mean, everything you think about, everything LL said in that quote that I read to you, he was right. He was right. He. He was right. Now, look, let me grab my composure here for a second here, because it's touching. Hold for me, right? Let me explain something to y'all, alright? I love Jay Z. To me, that brother something special, Biggie. You know what I often fantasize about, ladies and gentlemen? And I throw this out to y'all, little test for y'all. I want to know, if Biggie and Tupac were alive, who would be bigger? Who would be bigger? I want y'all to answer that question for me. Because Biggie was. Oh, my God, Biggie was special, no doubt. But the beats helped him, too. Which, by the way, P. Diddy had something to do with, just so y'all know. But the beats helped him. You see what I'm saying? Tupac, however, I think would have been bigger because he would have been more of an activist. And as a result, because of the world that we're living in, with the trying times, and everything else Tupac would have been do. Lord knows what he would have been doing. And acting. Biggie wasn't no actor. Tupac was. But you know who else is an actor? LL I mean, do you see him? I mean, do you remember the movie In Too Deep? You remember the movie Deliver Us From Evil? Remember that? In Too Deep with my man Omar Epps? Remember that? Remember he had his own damn sitcom. LL Been at this game for a long time. NCIS Brother Special. What is the csi? Damn it. I keep forgetting. I'm so confused about all of them. But I think it's. That's what it is. The point that I'm making to you is LL is a rap artist, actor, producer, got his own channel on Sirius. You ever speak to the boy about important issues? He's an activist at heart in his own soul. And I'm looking at a lot of these cats out here, and I'm like. When he talks about his resume, his reputation, his history, anybody can be somebody that can show up and you at the top of the heap. But how long do you stay there? How long are you in that game? LL is a transcendent figure who has withstood the test of time. This brother has been doing his thing since the 80s. Since the 80s. I'm gonna knock you out. I mean, come on. This is who he is. So when he said what he said, he talked about being most important, not the goat. I'm saying I ain't got problems with you talking about you the goat. If you bringing all of those things into the equation. Because if he is, how are we going to definitively refute that? That's what I'm saying. We got to be honest and straight about that. It's LL we talking about. It's LL we talking about. That was item number one. Can I get to item number two, please? Because that would involve Drake and Kendrick Lamar. Now, you remember last week I had to talk about this Drake lawsuit thing, right? Well, there's some additional news that y'all need to know about. Drake's recent lawsuit against Universal Music Group. UMG has seemingly backfired y'all in a big way, by the way, inadvertently boosting Kendrick Lamar's streams. The legal filings, which accused UMG of artificially boosting the popularity of Kendrick's diss track Not Like Us, through streaming bots and payola, have resulted in a massive 440% increase in the song's sales and a 20% rise in streams. Since the filing on November 25, the track has surged back up the charts on both Apple Music and Spotify, even making a significant jump on Spotify's global chart. This unexpected outcome has led to industry experts to warn Drake that his legal battle might be doing more harm than good. While Drake claims that UMG defamed him by releasing a song that accuses him of being a pedophile, the lawsuit is only drawing more attention to the track music industries. Music industry insiders rather have pointed out that this could be a case of the Streisand effect, where attempting to suppress something only amplifies it. Entertainment lawyer Kevin Cassini even speculated that Drake's filings will likely lead to even more streams for quote, unquote, not like us. Ladies and gentlemen, here's what I want you to understand. In the day and age that we live in religiously, people tell you to kind of ignore folks. Because when you ignore folks, you understand. You don't give them no shine. You don't buffer them. You don't elevate them. When you don't ignore them and you give them attention, it serves their best interest as opposed to yours. I understand that reality. This is different. People usually do that because they nosy and inquisitive and they want to hear something and they want to find out what's going on. All right, what is this you pissed about? What is this you reacted to? Blah, blah, blah. That ain't the case with this. Everybody heard the song Not Like Us. They knew what Drake did, and they said, f that. That's some B.S. nah, you don't be suing that. So you got a problem with a cat in front of the mic dropping bars and lyrics against you. You got to do the same. You got to get back in that studio and do your thing. Where your shit at? That's what they saying. What they saying is, Drake, you got a problem with Kendrick Lamar. Where the hell is your not like us? Where that at you, Drake, you gonna sit up there as many times as you skin cats alive with your lyrics, taking them to school, doing whatever it was you were supposed to do. Kendrick Lamar, you came at the wrong dude, it appears, because what you were supposed to do is get back in that studio and said, not like us. Well, guess what? It's gonna be my turn. And I'm gonna make sure I drop that shit on you right before the Super Bowl. That's what you were supposed to do. That's what you supposed to do. But instead, here's what we seeing. Lawyers. Lawyers. Now, I told y'all I like the music that I Like, I listen to songs that I like to listen to, but I ain't no fishy or not. I ain't no expert. I'm not covering hip hop. I got a lot of shit to do with my time. That ain't one of them. But I still love the music, and I love the genre, and I love the generation. Having said all of that, I know this much. It don't usually involve no damn lawyers when it comes to cats dissing with one another. I brought up ll, I brought up him going at Cool Modi and vice versa. I brought up cannabis trying to get at LL and LL having to bounce back. I brought stuff like that up. We know about Jay Z and Nas. We know about a lot of cats what we ain't never seen. So you. You got a song that got damn near a billion views. I'm gonna get my lawyer. Really? I am in no way saying all of this to diss Drake. Drake is great, and his success speaks for itself. I'm saying, bro, the community has spoken against you. They ain't go to be curious about. Not like us. They went to say we rolling with Kendrick Lamar. We rolling with him because we don't like the shit you just pulled trying to get lawyers involved. And they gonna stay that way. And as the super bowl draws near, it's only gonna proliferate even more. He gonna come at you harder. There's only one way out of this, Drake. Actually two. One is to get in the studio and make your own. Not like us. Hell, you damn right. I ain't like y'all. You could do that. Got to be skilled. Cause Kendra Lamar sounds special. You got to be skilled with it.

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Or.

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You gotta say, he got me. He got me. One of the two lawyers. Can't help you with this, my brother. Not this. Not this. Last on the list. Another item. Didn't bring this up earlier. Wasn't going to, but I just remembered it. Cause I want to get to the last entertainment story I found interesting this week. And y'all know that Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence are comedic royalty, right? Comedic royalty in Hollywood with a string of blockbuster films between the two of them. Together, they collaborated on a hit film, Life, playing two men wrongly accused of a crime who spent the rest of their time in prison concocting hilarious schemes to get out. Well, it turns out both Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence will be bonded for life again as their kids. Eddie Murphy's son Eric proposed to Lawrence's daughter Jasmine, the day before Thanksgiving. The couple shared a joint post on Instagram Saturday of the special moment that you're looking at right there when Eric got down on one knee and popped the question. The pair first went public with their relationship back in 2021. First of all, congratulations to the two. Wishing you a lifetime of happiness together as one union. It's very, very special, I imagine. I've never been married, but I imagine I will say this to you. The reason why the world cares is because it's an indication, or it should be an indication to you how much your daddy, your daddies matter to the world. Martin Lawrence is hilarious to this very day. Bad boys for life. Hysterical. Okay, you've got Eddie Murphy, who is flat out comedic genius. He's on an extra level. It's who he is. Eddie Murphy is that special. You know, the work that he's done. I just finished watching 48 Hours and 48 Hours 2 the other night. I love the clumps. I love Rasputia. Every time I think about a big woman my boy Pooley would love, I think about Rasputia in Norbit. Okay? All of that stuff is Eddie Murphy. You understand? The man is comedic genius. And for him and Martin Lawrence to have this kind of union is something that's very, very special to behold. Congratulations to Eric, Congratulations to Jasmine. Wishing you nothing but a lifetime of happiness. But it's also a special congratulations coming from me to Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence, and a sincere level of gratitude for making us all laugh for so many decades. When you think about the great ones, the Richard Pryors of the world, you know, Red Foxes of the world and others, you, too, belong in that esteemed category. We owe y'all such a debt of gratitude. Y'all are truly, truly mesmerizing and inspirational in so many ways. And the whole world owes you an incredible debt of gratitude for always making us smile and always making us laugh. And now your children are gonna make y'all laugh and make y'all smile for the rest of y'all lives, hopefully. All the best to y'all. All the best. Coming up, Russell Wilson shows out for the Steelers against Cincinnati. Plus, who's your favorite right now for NFL mvp? I got a breakdown of all the action from week 13 next with my man Chris Carter. Don't go anywhere. Back with more to Stephen A. Smith show in a minute. Check engine light on. Take the guesswork out of your Check engine light with O'Reilly Variscan.

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I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the blackffect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories, stories of missing and murdered black women and girls in America. There are several ways we can all do better at protecting black women. My contribution is shining a light on our missing sisters and amplifying their disregarded stories. Stories like Tameka Anderson. As she drove toward Galvez, she was in contact with several people talking on the phone as she made her way to what should have been a routine transaction. But Tameka never bought the car, and she never returned home that day. One podcast, one mission. Save our girls. Join the search as we explore the chilling cases of missing and murdered black women and girls. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Julie Swerbinks (41:59)

Welcome back to the Stephen A. Smith Show. My next guest is a hall of Famer, a wide receiver extraordinaire, one of the greatest wide receivers in the history of the National Football League. All he did was catch touchdowns. That's all he did. But guess what? We ain't gonna start off talking to my boy Chris Carter about the National Football League because this brother went to V. Ohio State. This brother watched Ohio State get. Get beat by Michigan, an average Michigan team this year. I'll get into that in a minute. But the biggest issue. Cece, it is good to see you, my brother. Hope you and your family had a wonderful Thanksgiving. Got to ask you about this whole flag planting situation that developed. A damn melee broke out after the game where cats had to get pepper spray sprayed and even a cop had to go to the hospital because of the ruckus that took place after your Ohio State Buckeyes lost to Michigan. What do you have to say about that?

Nate Thompson (42:54)

Well, for one, I think that this is part of this new generation of kids. They're so offended. They take everything so personal. And this is totally different than the, than the pro game, Stephen, because typically after, in college, more guys linger on the field. Typically there's a scene of the fight songs down towards your fan section. If you're on the road, wherever you're travel, wherever that section is, the team runs down there, sings the fight song there, right? So in college, they're on the field a lot longer. So from administrative standpoint, you have to be able to find people, the presidency, universities, these athletic directors, because it's okay for fans to storm the field if they don't have security, but for players participating in it, that's totally. That's where I'm lost. Like, you should stay with your teammates, stay with your coaches, and then get to the locker room. What the fans decide to do or the students decide to do, that's totally up to them. At that point, I'm not with them. I'm with my unit. That happens to be the football team. And in college, there's a huge problem as far as security running onto the field. There's more people out there, and if you give a player a flag, he's going to try to plan it. There's. And that's something that is just now recently starting to happen in college football compared to all the other years where you never saw this happen.

Julie Swerbinks (44:14)

Well, I saw with Baker Mayfield years ago when he beat Ohio State, but that's a different subject for another day. I think the thing that really resonates with me, CeCe, is this. What happened to the sore loser element in all of this? You had 60 minutes to beat Michigan. You had 60 minutes to make sure that they didn't plant. They weren't in a position to plant some flags on your field, but you didn't handle your business. So to me, you Ohio State, you're Florida State, your people like that, and you didn't handle your business. I mean, it comes across as a bit different that you. You. You know, you. You can't handle losing on that level.

Nate Thompson (44:49)

No, absolutely. And whoever wins, to me, within a certain, you know, sportsmanship, they deserve to do whatever they want to do. You had 60 minutes to be able to change the game. You didn't change that game. Now, I'm gonna tell you, man, there's guys in the. In the hall of Fame, Michigan guys, that being Charles Woodson, that being, you know, Tom Brady will soon be there. But I'm very friendly with these guys. And I played in three Michigan, Ohio State games, and there were no fights ever broke out afterwards. And there was a greater deal, respect for the players playing. Jim Harbaugh played in all three games I played in. I beat him twice once. But there was never any disrespect. Even as we've gone on 40 years afterwards, there's never been any disrespect. So I believe that this generation, which they don't respect anything, I believe that now that waters down the rivalry, because everything that happened after the game has nothing to do with the greatest rivalry. It actually takes something away from what Michigan accomplished on the field, being a significant 23 and a half point underdog.

Julie Swerbinks (45:52)

Yes.

Nate Thompson (45:52)

And they haven't beat a team like this since. Since 1978.

Julie Swerbinks (45:56)

Cece, you just brought it up. I didn't want to go there because it's after Thanksgiving. I was trying to be nice to you, man. I ain't want to depress you. I didn't want you to start crying on national television. I didn't want you to sit up there and be that kind of miserable because your Ohio State Buckeyes that were 23 and a half point favorites ended up losing this damn game. But I got to get to the coach, Ryan Day. Listen, I'm not going to call for the man's job or anything like that. The man has never lost more than two games in a season in his career. Okay? He's 66 and 10 as a head coach. All right, Never won a national championship, but certainly he's been a big time coach, except for when it comes to Michigan. He's lost four straight now to Michigan. And it wasn't Jim Harbaugh coaching the Wolverine Saturday against him, it was Sharon Moore. And. And they beat. And they beat Ohio State.

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How?

Julie Swerbinks (46:44)

As, as, as, as an AS alumni member. All right, a guy that started Ohio State, how are you feeling about Ryan Day as the head coach of your Buckeyes right now?

Nate Thompson (46:54)

Well, I don't feel great because the number one thing to do at Ohio State is to beat Michigan. So if you look at losing four in a row now, I think we had ran off nine in a row before. We lost this four in a row. But, man, we can, we can't even remember that because this four in a row, it's, it's historic. You know, this is historically one of the most talented teams, but it's. Historically, the seniors are leaving without having any gold pants to beat in Michigan. So if your number one goal is to come to an operation and beat someone and you've done that one out of five times, unless you want a national championship. Yeah, your job should be on the line. At Ohio State, the standards are higher. They have the number one roster in college football. They spent $20 million on the collective to be able to put that roster out there. And yes, I know they're missing three offensive linemen, but you don't go into a, a phone booth fight with Michigan when their best players are on their defensive front. Their linebackers were hurting, their secondary was hurting, their corners were hurting. Like, make it attract me. Like, we have that kind of talent. At Ohio State. You don't want to get into a MMA fight with Michigan. They played the game that Michigan wanted. Michigan got the ball on the two yard line and scored one touchdown. That's it. And you lose that game? Yes. If you lose that game with that roster at home, your job should be in question at Ohio State. Y. Yes. Chris Carter said that about Ryan Day. His job should be in question. And if he doesn't win the College Football Playoff, I wouldn't be shocked under the new athletic director who's only been there since the beginning of the season, that if he moved on. This is the same athletic director that bought out Jimbo Fisher with that tremendous buyout at Texas A and M. Right. So Ohio State's got more money than you know.

Julie Swerbinks (48:37)

So. So check this out. Am I interpreting this right? Are you saying, Chris Carter, that at this moment it should be a question. That much is a given. That much is clear, that if Ryan Day doesn't win the national championship, he doesn't get to the college football playoffs and they win the national championship this year, that Ryan Day should be fired. Are you saying he should be fired?

Nate Thompson (48:57)

Yes. If you go one and four against Michigan, anything else that you do besides win the national championship? My coach at Ohio State, Earl Bruce, went nine, three. A couple seasons they fired him. John Cooper, he had all the Heisman Trophy winners. He had all the big first round draft pick Outland Trophy winners. That era was before, you know, we got to the Urban Meyer and let me tell you a conversation me and Urban Meyer had several years ago. Okay. Before he stepped down at Ohio State. Coach, what kind of team you got? Chris? It's not a matter of what kind of team do I have. We got a program right now that we should win two out of next three, two out of next four national championship teams. And then Ryan Day took over. If you look at the quarterbacks that he's had, if you look at the offensive productivity he's had and lack of them to win the big one but one time and no national championship game. Yes. Your job will be in jeopardy at Ohio State, just like his.

Julie Swerbinks (49:58)

Damn. Okay, Ryan. Ryan Day on the clock. No question about that. Let's transition to the National Football League. Cc, I saw Baltimore lose a game last night to the Philadelphia Eagles. Did the Baltimore Ravens lose to the best team in football?

Nate Thompson (50:16)

No, I'm not going to say that Philadelphia is playing well, but we have to. And you've been beating it in my head the first two months of the season. The Detroit Lions manager, for real like, we need to put some respect on everything that they do. They don't have any question marks from a special team standpoint. Defensively, if you look what Aaron Glenn is doing since Hutchinson got hurt, they're still getting to the passer, they're creating turnovers. I mean, and Ben Johnson, from an offensive mind, if you want to watch exciting play, call if you want to watch concepts that no other team is doing. And your boy Dan Orlowski, he shows it a lot. He diagrams, he puts the plays up. Phenomenal job. They are the most difficult team to be able to guard in what they're going to do and how he distributes the football. So, yes, Detroit Lions to me are still a little bit ahead of the Philadelphia Eagles in the outstanding season that they're having.

Julie Swerbinks (51:13)

I was going to wait till later to ask this question, but since you brought up Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions, if you're the Chicago Bears who let go of IBA fluster, we don't need to pay any attention to that because we both know his ass deserve to be gone. Ain't no question about that. I would have made him. I'd have made him pay for his own flight back to Chicago after that loss at Thanksgiving Day. I'm serious. I'd have made him pay for himself. Right. But having said all of that, is Ben Johnson a better candidate for the head coaching job in Chicago next season rather than the Cliff Kingsbury with the Commanders rather than a Kellen Moore with the Eagles?

Nate Thompson (51:50)

Well, number three, I say Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore has no experience as a head coach and I still question some of his offensive coordinator leadership.

Julie Swerbinks (51:57)

Okay.

Nate Thompson (51:58)

I do think, I do believe Cliff Kingsberry, you and I talked about that, that he will get a second chance. I do believe that he has come up with a plan B and C on that type of offense because typically in a pass heavy offense and his first couple years in Arizona, he struggled with stream passes, he struggled with protection, some of the same things they struggled with in college football. I think he's worked some of those out. You can see that in Washington, how effective their offense is and the physical presence that Washington has more so than Arizona. But Ben Johnson is the number one candidate. And if you're Kevin Warren, who happens to be one of my good friends, not only are you trying to find a competent candidate, but if I can weaken someone in the division, if I can take away one of Campbell's lieutenants and Ben and put him over my program and weaken your program in the same, the Same way the Philadelphia weakened the New York Giants. Now they didn't cut Danny Dime. Danny is like a half a penny right now. When they, when they, when they decide not to sign Saquon Philadelphia and their great general manager, they weaken one of the opposition. And if you look at Dan Quinn in Washington as a head coach, what he do, he got a lot of the reserves from the Cowboys that week in the Cowboys. So it's effective, man, when you can take someone away from someone in your division and affect them in a negative way and help your program. Yes, yes, do that immediately.

Julie Swerbinks (53:25)

Is it a two horse race in the NFC or should we be paying attention more significantly not just to your Minnesota Vikings, but dare I say to.

Nate Thompson (53:34)

The Green Bay packers this well, Green Bay, even though they haven't played well offensively, they are still a very, very talented team. And given any given Sunday, man in the playoff, Jaylen Hurt doesn't have the type of game Barkley, somehow they forget to give him 15 to 20 touches which we see happen in the playoffs.

Julie Swerbinks (53:55)

Right.

Nate Thompson (53:56)

All the time. Then with talented quarterbacks, with talented offensive player which Green Bay and Minnesota have, if they get into a shootout, both these teams, they can match you shot for shot if you get into a shootout. Philadelphia's defense to me is what puts them at the elite level. They're a lot like Kansas City's been the last couple of years. People talk about Patrick Mahomes, Kelsey. Their defense is what won them both back to back Super Bowls. So Philadelphia right now, I love the way their defense is is playing and getting to the quarterback and turning the football over multiple times a game.

Julie Swerbinks (54:32)

Let's transition to the afc. Listen man, I'm looking at the Baltimore Ravens. First of all, I don't want to hear anything more about Lamar Jackson being an mvp, you know, you know, one of the lead. Listen, I love him. I hope he wins. I just don't. I hope he wins the championship, but I don't. I don't want to hear anything about him. MVP being the mvp. Right now they've got five losses on the season. Two of them have come to last place. Teams you've lost to Pittsburgh who couldn't score a touchdown, just scored six field goals. Now yesterday you were held to 12 points by the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm looking at the Kansas City Chiefs and the Buffalo Bills being a two horse race in the AFC to that you say what?

Nate Thompson (55:10)

Who would argue with you? I mean Buffalo, what they did, man, they get snow every week. You can bank them going all the way to New Orleans, Yeah. I mean, they're the only team in NFL could have played in that snow. But Josh Allen, overall development with the head coach, because they've suffered from January losses, man, like they've suffered some end of the season losses. Very, very tough where even they played well. But getting rid of some names that people talk about and just adding more glue players and no one crying for the football every single week, they seem to be better with less. Very seldom you ever see this in the NFL, see, get better with less talent than they have been the last several years. And that's what they are doing in Buffalo. And you gotta respect that. And if they happen to get home field advantage, hey, man, that thing is real.

Julie Swerbinks (56:06)

No question. But I think, I think Kansas City can handle that. Nobody else in the afc, but I think Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh. I'm still not giving them that kind of love, even though Russell Wilson threw for over 400 yards yesterday. But hell, you could probably catch over 200 yards at this stage of your career against that Cincinnati defense. There's something. I don't know what the hell is up with them, but if you're a wide receiver, particularly a Stefan Diggs who's out for the year after getting hurt in Houston, or a Gabe Davis who's with the Jacksonville Jaguars, if you're one of those dudes, how are you feeling about looking at Buffalo looking the way that they're looking this year?

Nate Thompson (56:41)

Oh, you know the truth. Like you, you know the truth. Gabe went down there and, and you know he's playing with Trevor Lawrence. He knows Trevor Lawrence is, is not that guy. He. He knows that. And even being in Houston, you know, with, with my guy, you know, C.J. stroud, DJs not having the season he had last year and then now having the knee injury, that gives you a different perspective in life. Like, oh, man, I look basketball and be like, Josh Allen was that guy. Man, did I now open up my mouth just a little too much with wide receivers, we gotta, we gotta. We got a propensity bill do that on a regular basis from generation to generation. The 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000. And now in 2024, we still got the same thing. So this really affirms Josh Allen and his ability to play with less talent the way Tom Brady had to do and others had to do.

Julie Swerbinks (57:36)

Chris, put you on the spot. Remember, the list is fluid. You got the right to change your mind. But last question to you. If you had to pick a team out of the AFC and out of the NFC to meet in the Super Bowl, Right now, following week 12, who would it be?

Nate Thompson (57:54)

I'm going with opening night two years ago, spectacular night in Arrowhead. But this will be in New Orleans, going with the Detroit Lions versus Kansas City for a chance to 3 PE. That's what I'm going with. Dan Campbell and what he is doing. The sound bites that come out of the locker room, how he responds in in game situation, doesn't look like he's lost like the way he did a couple times last year in the playoff and in the previous years because he's a. He's a different guy, but you can see he's got full command of this team, man, they got two running backs, got 10 rushing touchdowns, they got a receiver, got 10 touchdowns. Like, man, they can score the football, man, in the elite level. And their defense, typically for a team that's that elite offensively, their defense is way better than people are giving them credit for. That is a championship combination right there.

Julie Swerbinks (58:47)

Well, I would say this to you right now. I would disagree with you on the afc. I think the Buffalo Bills can pull it off because I don't like what I'm seeing from Kansas City's defense over the last four or five weeks or so. They've really trailed off in terms of their third down possessions and what they've allowed QBR against opposing quarterbacks as well. They're one of the worst in the league right now. So I would say right now, Buffalo and Detroit, to be quite honest with you, but I reserve the right to change my mind. Cece, appreciate you, bro. I'm glad you had a wonderful Thanksgiving. Looking forward to talking to you next week. All right.

Nate Thompson (59:15)

I appreciate you, dog.

Julie Swerbinks (59:16)

All right. My man, Cece. Always appreciate the knowledge. Always, always, always. That's it for this edition of the Stephen A. Smith Show. I hope y'all enjoyed what I had to say. Hope y'all enjoyed my conversation with the one and only Chris Carter. I'll be back here the next couple of days or so because I got to go out of town, out of the country actually, for a few days at the end of the week or so. So you'll be seeing a lot of me over the next few hours. Don't go away. The Stephen A. Smith show coming your way. Until then, peace of love, everybody. I'll let you later. Foreign.

Greg Rosenthal (59:59)

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Julie Swerbinks (60:30)

What's up everyone? Julie swearbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson.

Nate Thompson (60:35)

We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go.

Julie Swerbinks (60:38)

The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.

Nate Thompson (60:41)

Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?

Julie Swerbinks (60:46)

Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us.

Nate Thompson (60:50)

Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.

Julie Swerbinks (60:55)

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