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Hunter
What's up everyone?
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Greg Rosenthal
It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're.
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Hunter
Going to be bringing you 40s and.
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Greg Rosenthal
Free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents starting on March 6th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up everyone?
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Julie Swearbinks
Julie Swerbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson. We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go. The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb. Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?
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Greg Rosenthal
Exactly.
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Julie Swearbinks
And you'll never know who will drop.
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Greg Rosenthal
By to join us.
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Julie Swearbinks
Julia's pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.
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Greg Rosenthal
Listen to Energyline with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or.
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Hunter
Wherever you get your podcasts.
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Julie Swearbinks
Geico's motorcycle expertise means I'm covered by.
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Hunter
People who know bikes like I do.
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Julie Swearbinks
I'm happy as a clam Disclaimer no.
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Hunter
Conclusive scientific research has shown clams can experience happiness.
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Julie Swearbinks
It just meant that I feel really good about my coverage. I mean, even if you took the clam out for the best day ever, visiting the zoo, taking a scenic ride.
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Hunter
Knowing you're insured by specialists, and sharing.
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Julie Swearbinks
A strawberry ice cream cone together, the.
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Greg Rosenthal
Clam would not feel happy and your.
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Julie Swearbinks
Strawberry cone would taste sort of clammy.
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Greg Rosenthal
Ew. Geico's motorcycle specialists who know bikes like you do assume no liability for clammy ice cream cones. Geico expertise for your motorcycle.
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Hunter
I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered.
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Greg Rosenthal
Black women and girls in America. There are several ways we can all.
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Hunter
Do better at protecting Black women. My contribution is shining a light on our missing sisters and amplifying their disregarded stories. Stories like Tameka Anderson. As she drove toward Galvez, she was in contact with several people talking on the phone as she made her way to what should have been a routine transaction. But Tameka never bought the car and she never returned home that day.
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Greg Rosenthal
One podcast, one mission. Save our girls.
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Hunter
Join the search as we explore the.
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Greg Rosenthal
Chilling cases of missing and murdered Black.
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Hunter
Women and girls Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Greg Rosenthal
What's up, everybody? Welcome to the latest edition of the Stephen A. Smith Show. Coming at you, as I love to do over the Digital Airways of YouTube and of course, iHeartRadio. I want to thank to all my subscribers and followers for giving me the love and support that you've been giving me. Always appreciate it. I'm not going to waste any time because we got a jam packed show coming your way today, so we're gonna get right into it. I got some sports stuff to get into. I got Jeannie Buss coming on to talk about her new series on Netflix, not to mention the Los Angeles Lakers. I got something to say to and about LeBron James. I got something to point to, point out and report on in regards to P. Diddy as well as Jay Z, courtesy of our legal analyst Ryan Smith, who's got a whole bunch of stuff percolating right now pertaining to those stories. But the first order of business in the world of politics, because I don't know if y'all saw what the hell happened on TV today, live, national television, live international television as well. Y'all got to see this. If y'all haven't said it, because that's exactly where I'm getting started. It's in the nation's capital with a nation saw President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. vance have a testy exchange with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelinsky. It all happened in front of reporters during their meeting at the White House this afternoon with the cameras rolling. Keep that in mind. During the meeting, Trump called the Ukrainian president disrespectful, end quote, and said, quote, you don't have the cards, end quote, when it comes to resolving the current war versus Russia. Just to put this in perspective, there's three minutes of video. Ladies and gentlemen, let me tell you, it is worth every second for you to listen to this. I did not want to take this out. It's going to be about three minutes. It is worth listening to this exchange between Zelensky, Vice President Vance and President Trump in the Oval Office with the cameras rolling for the nation to see live. Check it out. What kind of diplomacy, J.D. you are speaking about. What, what, what? What do you mean? I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to end the destruction of your country. Yes, but if you. Mr. President, Mr. President, with respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to Come into the Oval Office.
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Hunter
Try to litigate this in front of the American media.
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Greg Rosenthal
Right now, you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the president for trying to bring it into this conflict.
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Julie Swearbinks
That you say what problems we have. I have been to come once.
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Greg Rosenthal
I have actually. I've actually watched and seen the stories. And I know what happens is you bring people. You bring them on a propaganda tour. Mr. President, do you disagree that you've had problems bringing people into your military? And do you think that it's respectful to come to the Oval Office of.
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Hunter
The United States of America and attack.
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Greg Rosenthal
The administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your country?
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Julie Swearbinks
A lot of questions. Let's start from the beginning.
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Greg Rosenthal
Sure.
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Julie Swearbinks
First of all, during the war, everybody.
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Greg Rosenthal
Has problems, even you. But you have nice ocean and don't feel now, but you will feel it in the future. God bless.
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Julie Swearbinks
You don't know that.
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Greg Rosenthal
God bless. God bless.
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Julie Swearbinks
You will not have war.
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Greg Rosenthal
Don't tell us what we're going to feel. We're trying to solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're going to feel. I'm not telling you because you're in no position to dictate that. Remember this. You're in no position to dictate what.
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Julie Swearbinks
We'Re going to feel.
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Greg Rosenthal
We're going to feel very good feel. We're going to feel very good.
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Julie Swearbinks
And very strong. Will feel influence.
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Greg Rosenthal
You're right now not in a very good position. You've allowed yourself to be in a very bad position. And he happens to be right about. From the very beginning of the war.
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Hunter
You're not in a good position.
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Greg Rosenthal
You don't have the cards right now with us.
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Hunter
You start having cars right now.
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Julie Swearbinks
You don't.
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Greg Rosenthal
You're gambling with the lives of millions of people. You're gambling with World War Three. You're gambling with World War Three. And what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country, this country that's backed you far more than a lot of people said they should have. Have you said thank you once this entire meeting? No. In this entire meeting. Have you said thank you? You went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in October. Offer some words of appreciation for the United States of America and the president who's trying to save your country. Please.
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Julie Swearbinks
You think that if you will speak.
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Greg Rosenthal
Very loudly about the war. He's not speaking loudly. He's not speaking loudly. Your country is in big trouble. Can have.
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Hunter
Wait a minute.
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Greg Rosenthal
No, no. You've done a lot of talking. Your country is in big trouble. I know. You're not winning. You're not winning this. I. You have a damn good chance of coming out okay because of Mr. President.
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Julie Swearbinks
We are staying in our country, staying strong. From the very beginning of the war, we've been alone, and we are thankful.
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Greg Rosenthal
I said thanks. You haven't been. This cabinet we gave you through this stupid president, $350 billion military equipment, and your men are brave, but they had to use our military. If you didn't have our military equipment, you invited me. You didn't have our military equipment, this war would have been over in two weeks. In three days. I heard it from Putin. In three days. This is something maybe less.
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Julie Swearbinks
In two weeks. Of course, yes.
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Greg Rosenthal
It's going to be a very hard thing to do, business like this. Shortly afterwards, Zelensky left the White House without signing a deal for the US to receive revenue from Ukraine's mineral supply in exchange for military assistance. President Trump said he's, quote, determined that President Zelensky is not ready for peace if America is involved, end quote. I'm pro America. Let me get that out the way first. I'm an American citizen, and I'm going to try to give us the benefit of the doubt, knowing that we have an abundance of flaws as a nation in terms of our historical involvement in foreign affairs. There is no doubt about that. On one hand, there are two sides to this story. On one hand, if you're President Zelensky for Ukraine, who did campaign, I shouldn't say campaign, but was very supportive, as Vice President Vance pointed out, very supportive of the Biden administration because they did give you over $350 million. They did give you nearly 500 million worth of weapons, or they committed to that, knowing the level of support that the Biden administration had given to Ukraine, how vociferous Biden was in his support for Ukraine, and by the way, that's going across to y'all, because you got Senator Lindsey Graham on the Republican side that has also been an avid supporter of Ukraine and their mission to ward off Russia taking over their sovereign territory. I would look at Zelensky and I would say, not very smart to be butting heads with this administration and this White House at that particular moment in time. Trump is not wrong when he said, you don't have all the cards. You don't have the cards. He's absolutely right about that, because Zelinsky does not, Ukraine does not. It's projected that over a million lives have been lost, vast majority of them being from Ukraine. And when you're in a war torn, a war torn country and you don't have the muscle and the mighty and Russia has already been gaining ground, it might behoove you to come across as a bit more cordial with the present President of the United States. Fair enough. That does not negate the fact that Trump advance came across as bullies. It does not negate the fact that, that Vance brought up something as trivial, talking about, you should say thank you and accusing him of being disrespectful when Vance was the one that was talking. And then Zelinsky, they said, it's your turn to speak. And Zelinsky said, hey, have you been to Ukraine? Do you know how many people. We're in a war, we're experiencing it. And when he asked Vice President Vance had he been there, he stumbled before acknowledging he hadn't been there. He had read and saw footage of what's happening in Ukraine. It's safe to say that's not the same as being there. And for me personally, I didn't look at Zelensky as disrespectful. I looked at him trying to get in a word because I looked at the Vice President chastising him for not being grateful and the President piggybacking off of that to pounce on him some more about not understanding his plight and being thankful for the ceasefire that America has intervened to try and negotiate so this war between Russia and Ukraine can come to an end. Now, is it wrong for President Trump to finagle his way into the proceedings to get some of their minerals in exchange for US Support or in an effort to recoup something for what they've given out to Ukraine? Not at all. As the United States of America, we're giving and giving and giving those attacks payer dollars. We have a right to get something in return if we can pull it off. I get that part. I'm not disagreeing with President Trump about that. See, this is where the centrist in me comes in. I'm not siding with Trump just because I got conservative views and I'm not siding with Zelensky just because I have liberal views. I'm siding with common sense. Zelensky, knowing how much you need America's support, you need to be a bit more cordial and play a little nicer than that. The flip side to it is that he's at war. He has to depart from the United States of America, go back to Ukraine in a war torn country with bombs being dropped on his people, on his territory, and he's saying, wait a minute, y'all are talking to me like I should have no sensitivity to my plight or to my people and should just throw up my arms and surrender and capitulate to what Trump has negotiated. Let's hold on for a second here. During the Biden. I'm sorry, during the Obama administration in 2014, Russia did take over Crimea. If I remember correctly, that did happen. And when they took over Crimea, that was a part of Ukraine. Now it's establishes Russian territory. And for Russia to start this war with Ukraine, to take over parts of mainland Ukraine, they're right there to do it. And Zelensky was interrupted when he was making the point that when we negotiated back then, the negotiation that involved France, England and others said it was going to be a ceasefire. Putin disavowed that, ignored it, and ultimately restarted war in 2022. So what he's saying is a ceasefire isn't enough. Now we need security that we don't have to concern ourselves with Putin ultimately invading more of our territory, moving forward to just stop the fighting for the time being. He can't be trusted. And what Trump and them is saying is, well, you better trust them by trusting us, because this is the best that you're going to get. Well, the Ukrainians are saying, we at war now. We on death door. We on death's door. We might as well go down swinging. Ladies and gentlemen, who are we to argue with that position? Who are we to argue with that position? This man is the leader of Ukraine, despite the fact that, quote, unquote, according to Trump, they are losing the war. There is no doubt that they have fought valiantly. Even Trump admitted their soldiers have fought valiantly, albeit with US Weapons. I don't want to hear that they fought valiantly. That's what they did. Put is considered a dictator, has been labeled a murderer and all of this other stuff, and the only person that speaks glowingly about him is Trump. I'm talking about what he says, I'm not talking about what he does, because I don't have all the intel about what he's done with or for Russia. But come on, this man, Zelensky, is at war, defending the very survival of his nation, and he's telling you that a ceasefire ain't gonna cut the mustard, because this man, Putin, has ignored ceasefire agreement. Ceasefire agreement before, and what he needs is security that the war will come to an end. And it won't be a ceasefire. It won't. It will be protection by the involvement of the United States or anybody else to ensure that he no longer attacks, not that he just stops for the time being. And he's saying that this agreement doesn't provide that. And we're going to engage in condemnation about this man and be petty and talk about how you come into the Oval Office in the United States of America. Well, sir, how did he do that? President Trump? How did he do that? Vice President Vance? He didn't come into the Oval Office on his own, by the way. He didn't have his interpreter either. He came in there by himself, and y'all are interrupting him. Listen, that's like me speaking Spanish or French. If I know the language a little bit, could you at least be quiet and let me speak? Because it's a challenge for me to speak your language. It's a challenge for him to speak fluent English. It's a challenge for him to make sure that he cogently and fluidly gets his thoughts across. Could you have let him finish speaking? Vance didn't do that. Trump didn't do that. So, no, Zelensky didn't handle it right. And, no, he should not have been as cantankerous as a politician. As a leader, you have to be a bit more composed than that. Guilty as charged. But that ain't his Oval Office. That's ours. The person residing in it is. Donald Trump is the President of the United States. With Vance there, Zelinsky ain't there without their invite. Those cameras are not there without Trump and his administration's invite. They allowed that environment to exist. This isn't Zelensky and Ukraine facilitating all of this. This was them. And we gonna just look at him like he's the villain. Can we at least acknowledge that there must be a level of understanding to the fact that the man is fighting for Ukraine's very survival as a sovereign, and that the circumstances upon which he's living, in which he's scheduled to go back to, is not the same as President Trump and Vice President Vance and what they have to deal with here in the United States of America. They may have been right in some of the things that they were saying, but they were also bull. And this man who's literally on the battlefield responded, whether it's a soldier or general or whatever, that's how he responded. Because they ain't the ones that got bombs being dropped on them. He does. On their hospitals, on their schools, on child care facilities, everywhere. I'm sorry, I'm not saying that President Trump and Vice President Vance was totally wrong in the things that they were saying. Once again, the art of decorum and decency play a role in all of this. You could actually do both and be right. You didn't have to do that. For all we know, Zelensky might be dead in a month for a bomb being dropped on someplace where he's at. We ain't worried about that with President Trump and Vice President Vance. America hasn't lost nearly a million lives in this war over the last two years. I mean, damn. That's all I'm saying. We ain't talking politics conservative, liberal. We're talking about leadership from our statesman, the President of the United States, and how that was handled. It looked elementary, it was embarrassing, and Zelensky didn't handle it right. But if your country was being bombed into oblivion and you needed assistance and the president of the United States was speaking more favorably about Putin than he was about you, and then you were getting lectured by the vice president who's never been to Ukraine, who hasn't seen the war torn territory, and he's getting on you for not being grateful, how would you have reacted? I don't know an answer to that question, but I know it's a legitimate damn question. LeBron James, Jeannie Buss and more up next right here on the Stephen A. Smith show in a minute. All right, folks, I need you all to stop what you're doing to listen up. You know I love this time of year, right? The NBA season is in full swing and with all this action going on, the Stephen A. Smith show wants to make sure you take advantage of it all. That's why we've partnered with Prize Picks. The best place to win cash while watching sports. The app is easy to use. Just pick more or less on a few player stats and you can win up to 1000 times your cash on a single lineup. Best of all, Prize Picks will give you $50 when you play your first $5 lineup. Win or lose, you'll get 50 bucks for playing. Use promo code SAS and download the app now. Again, download the app and use code SAS to get $50 instantly after your first $5 lineup. Prize picks yo, run your game today. I'll give you my picks on three fights taking place Saturday night at the Barclays center in New York City between Javante Tank Davis and Lamont Roach, Gary Russell versus Jose Valenzuela and Sandor Martin versus Alberto Puelo. So let's get to it. First up, would Javonte Tank Davis have more or less than 86 and a half total punches landed. I'm going with more. The only way it's going to be less is if Javante Davis uses 80, you know, knocks somebody out inside of 85 pitches because he's clearly capable of that. But I just see this as being a kind of fight where he's going to have to run him down, he's going to have to walk him down rather, and he's going to have to throw some punches before he ultimately catches him. And that's how I view it. So I'm going to go with more on this particular one. Next up, will Gary Russell have more or less than 125 and a half total punches? I'm going with less on this one. Russell, I mean he's a fighter, he's going to throw some punches, but he knows how to be cautious, he knows how to be defensive mind. He's not going to just go in there swinging and what have you. And I think this is going to be one of those fights where he actually ends up throwing less than 125 and a half total punches. I don't think it's going to take that much for him to win this fight. Assuming he does win. Last but not least, Sandor Martin will have more or less than 110 and a half total punches landed. For some reason, I suspect that he'll throw a lot more punches. I'm not saying they'll be effective, I'm not saying they'll get him a win, but I do suspect that he'll Throw more than 110 and a half total punches. So to recap, Javante Davis, more Gary Russell, less. More for Sandor Martin. I love the word more when it comes to prize picks because when I think about prize picks, I think about more money in all our pockets. Welcome back. Look, couple of things before I go to commercial break. All right? I don't know if y'all saw it last night, but you should have seen it. And if you didn't see a shame on you. Damn it. You see that brother? Steph Curry. His name is Steph Curry, AKA the baby faced Assassin, AKA the four time champion, two time league MVP and the greatest shooter God has ever created. This brother showed up in Orlando last night and dropped 5056 points, 12 three pointers along the way. It was the ninth 50th point, 59th 50 point game since turning 30, which is the most in NBA history. Train that 56 foot heave. You just sure outscored the Atlanta magic by himself 22, 21 in the third quarter. Made six or eight shots in the third, including four three pointers. Finished with 12 or like 16 or 17 from three point range. Shot like 63% from three point range. The Golden State warriors have a chance. Jimmy Butler scored five points last night, one of seven shooting. Worst offensive game since he arrived in Golden State, but still has seven assists. Ladies and gentlemen, playoff. Jimmy is still scheduled to show up for the Golden State Warriors. And I'm here to tell you something right now. If Steph Curry plays like that and Jimmy Butler gives you what he's been giving you before he showed up in Orlando the other night, Draymond Green. I'm not saying he's right, that they're gonna win the chip, but I am here to assure you that Golden State's gonna knock off somebody. Steph Curry is simply spectacular. He is something special. The greatest shooter ever known to man. Last but not least, I want to transition to boxing because Javante Davis is about to have a fight this weekend. I don't know why he's fighting this guy. I don't get it. I really don't. Okay? I interviewed him yesterday on my show, first take on espn. Okay. And in speaking to him, I want you to take a listen to this real quick. Tank, good to see you. Why this fight? Lamont Roach, what has he done to deserve to be in the ring against you? He's a world champion himself. He coming up and waiting there to be great. So we fought before, you know, so it's history. It's history in that there's two guys that's trying to be great. Here's my problem. I'm a huge fan of Javonta Davis. I think he is top five pound for pound in the world, probably higher. He's got 13 victories, zero defeats, zero ties, 28 knockouts. And I loved, even though I like Frank Martin as well, when, when. When Javante Davis put him out, he was so ticked off that Frank Martin was bragging about having rocked him during sparring and all of this other stuff. And Javante was like, ooh, like it never happens. A lie. And then I remember he told me, I'm gonna get you. And then he looked at him and he was like this, you really, really should have waited. Frank Martin was like 18 and 0, something like that. He said, you really is you. You took this fight a little bit too early. You really should have waited. I never forget he said that. And sure enough, the experience came in. Frank Martin kabox. Frank Martin could fight, but you got to be Careful. Who you messing with? Tanks on special and a power puncher and took him out. And what bothers me about this fight against Lamont Roach? Lamont Roach been around long enough. 25 1. 1 is 251 and 1. You know what number I'm looking at? 10 kosher. That tells me you can fight, you can box, but can you punch? See, when I think about Javante Davis, I'm thinking the best way to take him, the best chance against him is when you could punch. If you remember when Ryan Garcia went after him, Ryan Garcia was wild. Tank dropped him in the second round, caught him coming in and then caught him with a body shot. Think it was to the liver. And that was that. In the sixth round, Ryan Garcia was on one knee, got up at the town at 10. He was fine, but couldn't take that liver shot. Here's my point. Why is Tank Davis fighting smaller fighters? Lamont Roach is moving up. They call him Tank for a reason. He's the miniature Mike Tyson from his heyday. This brother will take you out. They talk about how middleweights and light heavyweights. This brother could get in a ring and knock those cats out if he catches them right. That's the kind of power Tank Davis has. So why fight somebody undersized? I expect them to beat Lamont Roach. No disrespect to Lamont Roach, who I haven't seen much of. I know he's a skilled fighter. If you're gonna fight somebody in your weight class. Tank Davis, I wanted to see him against Lomachenko. I believe Tank Davis would beat Devin Haney. I just do. I don't think Devin Haney is on that level. And I respect him. I think Tank Davis would beat him, even though he just moved up to 140 when he lost that fight to Garcia. I want to see Tank fight Teofimo Lopez. I should want to see him fight Shakur Stevenson. I know his best buddy is Terence Crawford. I think Stevenson is a masterful boxer, a defensive wizard who can beat anybody. He's special, but he's so special he can make a fight boring. And you got to worry about that. I just think that when you look at Tank Davis, I want to see him in the ring with somebody with knockout power like a Ryan Garcia, where he has to be concerned about that. So we can see his boxing ability and his punching power, as opposed to him stalking cats because they don't have the power to keep him off them when he's the bigger fighter. I don't like that. So I don't expect him to have much of a problem with Lamont Roach simply because Roach is smaller. I just don't expect them to have much of a problem with that. I want to see Tank Davis against one of those three fighters. I want the rematch against Ryan Garcia or I want Teofimo Lopez to get a shot with Tank moving up to 140. And I want to see Shakur Stevenson, I should say four fighters or, or Lomachenko Stevenson or Lomanchenko I would love to see against Tank Davis, but I really want to see him against Teofimo Lopez too. Tfimo Lopez is somebody that deserves our respect, ladies and gentlemen. He's somebody that deserves a big fight. That's just me. Coming up, another accuser files a suit against Diddy while Jay Z is taking the attorney that he accused him to court. I'll get into all of that with our legal analysts. But first, she's the owner and the face of the Los Angeles Lakers franchise and the inspiration behind a new Netflix series, the one and only Jeannie Buss. Up next. Oh, by the way, on the back end, I'll have something to say about LeBron James too. Don't touch that. Dial back with more in a minute. All right everybody, listen up. With all the big time sports action that's happening each and every day, the Stephen A. Smith show wants to make sure you are taking advantage of it all. 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Hunter
I'm Hunter, Host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered.
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Greg Rosenthal
Black women and girls in America. There are several ways we can all.
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Hunter
Do better at protecting black women. My contribution is shining a light on our missing sisters and amplifying their disregarded stories. Stories like Tameka Anderson as she drove toward Galvez. She was in contact with several people talking on the phone as she made her way to what should have been a routine transaction. But Tameka never bought the car, and she never returned home that day.
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Greg Rosenthal
One podcast, one Mission. Save our girls.
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Hunter
Join the search as we explore the.
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Greg Rosenthal
Chilling cases of missing and murdered black women and girls.
- [34:15]
Hunter
Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Greg Rosenthal
September 1979. Virginia's top prison band, Edge of Daybre, is about to record their debut album behind bars in just five hours.
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Julie Swearbinks
Okay, we're rolling.
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Greg Rosenthal
One, two, three, four. I'm Jamie Petras, music and culture writer. For the past five years, I've been talking to the band's three surviving members. They're out of prison now and in their 70s, their past behind them. But they also have some unfinished business. They're here to daybreak. Eyes of Love was supposed to have been followed up by another album. It's a story about the liberating power of music, the American justice system, and ultimately, second chances. Listen to soul incarcerated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Sorry I'm late. Someone died on a bus. I was. We had to wait for a new bus.
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Julie Swearbinks
It's a horrific story, but welcome to the team anyway. We are going to give the rest of the season everything we got and.
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Greg Rosenthal
Make a deep playoff run.
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Julie Swearbinks
We're the Waves. We don't do rebuilding years.
- [35:56]
Greg Rosenthal
Marcus, I missed you in my office yesterday.
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Julie Swearbinks
I'd like to do weekly one on one check inside.
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Greg Rosenthal
Does that work? Oh, Ray should have told you about. Oh, how you like to conserve your energy. Yeah, I don't give a shit.
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Julie Swearbinks
Talk to you soon, everyone.
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Greg Rosenthal
Have a great practice.
- [36:15]
Hunter
Go Waves.
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Greg Rosenthal
Ha ha. You saw it right there. Welcome back right here to the Stephen A. Smith Show. My guest is at the helm of one of the most storied franchises in NBA history. She's been here before and she's back to talk about a new Netflix comedy series called Running Point, which premiered yesterday. She's an executive producer on the project and she is the real life inspiration for the lead character, played by Kate Hudson. Please welcome Los Angeles Lakers controlling owner and partner, the president herself, the one and only Jeannie Buss, back here at the Stephen A. Smith Show. Hey, Jeannie, how are you?
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Julie Swearbinks
I'm doing great. How are you?
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Greg Rosenthal
I'm doing wonderful. It is always great to see you. Let's get started with this Netflix series, Running Points. Loosely based on your Family, why did you want. And it's usually based on you, actually. Why did you want to do this? Jeannie?
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Julie Swearbinks
I am a big fan of comedy because I believe comedy helps people cope with stress, helps diffuse tense situations. And I use, you know, humor a lot in this business because sometimes you just have to laugh or else you'll lose your mind. So I'm a big fan of comedy. We were able to pitch the idea to Mindy Kaling, who is, you know, the executive producer, creator, and has created many hit shows. And she liked the idea, and we spent, you know, a lot of time together and telling her stories. And they took all that information and created this, you know, world that isn't the Lakers. This is completely creative, you know, by the writers. It's not my family, but it is inspired by a person in a position like mine. And I think they've done a fantastic job creating the characters, allowing you to get the insight of what goes on behind the scenes at a sports team that so many people ask me about with a sense of humor. The people are very relatable, as I've learned learned in this country, the family businesses are the most common businesses. So we all had that experience of working with our family, and sometimes you step on each other's toes, but at the end of the day, your family and you come together to do what's right for your business, for what's right for your team. And I think people will be very entertained by it. It's the. Actually, today, it is the number one show on Netflix.
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Greg Rosenthal
Well, I'm not surprised by that. It's associated with you, and you're a winner, so that's the way that this works. But how close is this storyline to you, to. To your real life, in your estimation? How close is it?
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Julie Swearbinks
There's. There's some, you know, a few true things that people will definitely pick up on, and then. Then there's a lot of creative license that the writers took that just, you know, kind of in their mind, you know, decided this would be interesting if this happened. And, you know, we would give them feedback. Well, that would never happen, or. Yeah, that has happened. And give them an example in, you know, history and professional sports. You know, this is a very dramatic business, and people can't believe some of the things that actually have happened and, you know, continue to happen. And I think that's what's going to be entertaining about it. But, you know, Kate Hudson as the title character really nails the performance. She's somebody that I've known since she was A teenager, and she used to come to the Great Western Forum and watch the LA Kings play with her, her mom and dad. And, you know, she really, she gets the character and she's fantastic. She's. She's a movie star that we were able to convince to come in and, you know, be part of this exciting project.
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Greg Rosenthal
Did you hand pick her? Did you play a role in hand picking her and was there some competition for her in ultimately getting this role, or was it just a situation where you just looked at her, you knew, you automatically knew she's the one?
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Julie Swearbinks
You know, I, I suggested her to Mindy, and Mindy, you know, kind of set the expectation that Kate had never done a, you know, a series like this in her career, and she's known as movie star. But now we see how much crossover there is. You know, Nicole Kidman, Reese Witherspoon, you know, movie stars doing television. And she just nails this part. I couldn't be more proud. And it's a lot of fun to work with her after knowing her all these years.
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Greg Rosenthal
Jeannie Buss, what is life like for you right now? I mean, I'm looking at the Los Angeles Lakers, and I went from wondering whether or not they were going to make the playoffs to wondering whether or not, you know, what they were going to do in the playoffs, to y'all acquiring Luka Doncic, to being convinced that you weren't going to be good enough to really go deep into the playoffs, but obviously a blockbuster trade like that, essentially sending Anthony Davis away, the great Anthony Davis way for the great Luka Doncic, to looking at the Los Angeles Lakers this morning while I'm talking to you about your Netflix series, and in the same breath that that's number one, I'm looking at a basketball team that might end up number one because the Los Angeles Lakers have a chance to win it all as far as I'm concerned, based on what I'm seeing. What is life like this afternoon for Genie Buss?
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Julie Swearbinks
It's pretty good in my world. What can I say? You know, I want to make it clear that, you know, when you make a trade like that, especially in the middle of a season, you know, you have to weigh so many different things that are going on. You know, we have a rookie coach in JJ Redick who has shown a lot of promise. And, you know, you, you are concerned if you make a change that it's going to disrupt what the coaches have been trying to teach. And, you know, we weighed it very carefully. We were not looking to trade Anthony Davis. But when the opportunity came up, we, we had to look at the overall, you know, long term vision of the team and what we were trying to accomplish. And, you know, we had to make the tough decision to trade Anthony. And he's been fantastic. He helped us win a ring. But in receiving Luka, we have a player who has ignited our fan base. You know, he, he came to town and I, you know, he had to process what had just happened. Like, he had no idea he was going to be traded. And, but he, he came to LA and he saw what had happened with the devastating wildfires and he immediately donated money to, you know, the, you know, the cause of trying to rebuild and help, you know, people cope with losing what they've lost. And he's just, he's, he's just been great. It's kind of a love affair with the fans right now. The energy is@crypto.com arena is. It's like, it seems like a playoff game. And, you know, as he gets integrated into what JJ and the coaching staff want him to do, I think the, the win in Denver last weekend was, you know, phenomenal and really inspiring considering Denver has been the team that has put us out of the playoffs the last few years. So it's really ignited a lot of hope.
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Greg Rosenthal
Jeannie, everybody wants to know what the secret source is, what the secret source to success is, because looking at the Los Angeles Lakers franchise, I mean, my lord, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Shaq, Magic Johnson worthy, you know, ultimately, Kobe Bryant, of course, you know, the power souls of the world, and, and, and you know, the LeBron James. And now, you know, Anthony Davis, of course, and now Luka Doncic. If you're a star in professional basketball, it almost seems destined and ordained that you are going to be a Los Angeles Laker. First, it was with your late great father, magnificent, magnificent man. Everybody loved Dr. Buss to you. Now, I mean, how do you do it? I mean, what do you say? What is the allure in your, in your eyes about the purple and gold and Laker Nation and the Los Angeles Lakers? How does this keep happening for y'all?
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Julie Swearbinks
You know, it is, it's exactly what my dad taught me. This was how you run a franchise. Getting LeBron to join us as a free agent was one of the first moves to show that we were serious about, you know, getting back on track after missing the playoffs for six years. But the power of the brand, the platform, the fan base, the city in which we play, it all adds up. And you know, as Dr. Buss taught me, you keep us near the top or at the top or near the top. And that's what we've done. And we will continue to work hard to do. Certainly, I think we've identified a coach who has, you know, knows the NBA, knows how to make a strategic plan and that someone who connects really well with his players. So, you know, I think that gives us the foundation and we continue to build. And Rob Pelinka has done an amazing job identifying players that have that kind of competitive instinct, that, that desire to win. And, you know, we, you know, continue to build the roster that way and everything comes together. And certainly I have to thank Laker fans for, you know, their. They are creating a. An environment that visiting teams are not going to be comfortable coming play the Lakers at home. And you need that kind of, you know, that intimidation of the visiting team, especially during the playoffs.
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Greg Rosenthal
You have a guy that I consider to be a top candidate for coach of the year honors in J.J. redick, my buddy that worked with me at ESPN. He did a phenomenal job when he was working with us. He's doing a phenomenal job with you. Now, Rob Palinka, Kobe's former agent turned executive for the Los Angeles Lakers, as his gm, I think he's a candidate for executive of the year. You hired them both. You gave the approval to both. But one of the things that folks were talking about was this whole Anthony Davis, Luka Doncic trade was a secret. It was kept from LeBron, it was kept from clutch sports and stuff like that. They had no knowledge. It was a shock to everybody. First of all, was that true? And secondly, if that is how it happened, how are you able to pull that off?
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Julie Swearbinks
You know, it wasn't that we were trying to keep it from anyone specific. It was just about keeping a lid on something that had a trade not worked out, then it's. It sends repercussions around the team. And as I said, we're. We have a rookie coach that we want to try to make things as smooth as possible. So trying to, you know, the, the trade talks were over, you know, a few weeks. There was a lot of details that had to go into, you know, the, the trade and, and we had to create space by bringing in another team and trading a player there that could take on salary. So it was very complicated. We were. Leave anybody out. What we were trying to do was protect the team and allow our coach and coaching staff to have the least amount of distractions in a business where all there is are distractions, people trying to get you off your game.
- [49:25]
Greg Rosenthal
But, Jeannie, were you concerned at all at any point as to how this would negatively affect LeBron James simply because of Anthony Davis? His greatness, along with his relationship with Anthony Davis? Because he had a lot to do with Anthony Davis ultimately landing in LA years ago. Were you concerned about that at all?
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Julie Swearbinks
Yeah, I mean, of course there was a lot of concerns, especially doing it during the season, you know, but I think Back to when Dr. Buss traded Shaquille O'Neal. That did happen in the off season. But, you know, because, you know, you have to weigh everything, including how the fans are going to react to losing somebody like Anthony Davis, who was, you know, we were building the team around. He was our foundation, he brought us the championship, and, you know, how are they going to react? So you have to weigh all of those considerations. And at the end of the day, we did what was, you know, what it. We felt for our team was the best. And they obviously agreed with what they received and that, you know, we had. And when people say, well, they only talk to you, or they only talk to a couple teams, you know, we had the piece that they wanted. They wanted Anthony Davis. So that's why they weren't shopping it around. They. They saw what they wanted and they came after it. And we had to get through that decision process because we hadn't even considered that before.
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Greg Rosenthal
Right? Wrong. Fair or unfair, some of the things that have been said in the media prior to this trade, whether you look at LeBron being the figure that he is, Bronny James being on the team, the whole opening season celebration and stuff like that, they would say that LeBron James is running the Los Angeles Lakers. Once the trade happened, they said, that's Jeanie Buss's way of showing there's one person running this organization, and that's Jeannie Buss. Those who've said such things like that.
- [51:31]
Julie Swearbinks
You say what I say, you can interpret it any way you want. At the end of the day, I'm the governor of the team, which means I'm ultimately responsible for all basketball and business decisions for this team. And so, you know, however you want to read that, you. You people can. But we are very much, you know, in. Always in communication with our captains of the team. But in this circumstance, you know, AD Was one of the captains. So we, you know, we couldn't. There. There just was no way that we could disrupt what, you know, because the team was really starting to gel the way JJ has been coaching them. And we really didn't want to disrupt that if this wasn't going to be something that happened.
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Greg Rosenthal
Last question on this particular subject. You know, when it comes to a guy like Bronny James, I like that kid. I think he's got tremendous promise. I think that he's going to end up in the NBA, you know, somewhere in the near future. I love what I've seen him doing in the G League. I root for him. Everybody says he's a great kid. I haven't seen one individual that roots against him. As far as I'm concerned, there's almost. It almost comes. Of course, it's inhuman to root against this kid because he just seems to be that absolutely, positively wonderful. Nevertheless, LeBron's going to get critiqued because his son was in the league before he was ready, per se. When somebody asked Jeannie Buss about Bronnie James, because I know I'm not the first to do so, what is it that you say and what kind of message do you want to send to the basketball world about Bronny James being a member of the Los Angeles Lakers, albeit in some folks eyes, prematurely?
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Julie Swearbinks
He's been fantastic to work with. He's a draw in for our G League team. He's been going up and down between the two teams, and he does everything that we ask him to do in terms of the community meeting with sponsors. He's just, he's been, he's fantastic. I wish I had a complete, complete team of players with his work ethic, his attitude, his ability to see the game. You know, I, I know what it's like to be the, the child of a very successful man, and he's had to deal with a lot growing up, and he'll continue to do so with grace. And, you know, he's fun to watch.
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Greg Rosenthal
JJ Redick back to him, speak to his impact on the organization since you hired him last summer. Because I knew he was going to be good. You know, working with him on television, seeing him dissect and analyze basketball the way that few can. I knew that he was going to be good. I didn't expect. I expected you guys to elevate offensively, especially once you got Luka Doncic. What I did not expect is that over the last six plus weeks, you'd be the number one defense in the entire NBA. I almost faint when I think about that. I know he's got a great staff in Nate McMillan, Scott Brooks and the rest of the crew, but speak to the impact that J.J. redick has had on the organization.
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Julie Swearbinks
He comes in with a confidence, a swagger that, you know, is inspiring. He's a natural leader. He's a great communicator. He's a problem solver. And that's one of the things that is important in coaching in the NBA. So many things come at you quickly that you have to be able to make decisions, stand by your decision. If things aren't working out, you know, be okay to, to move away from that decision. But look, he surrounded himself, like you said, with an excellent staff in Scotty brooks and Nate McMillan and, and the very first female that we've ever had on the coaching staff in Lindsey Harding, who was coach of the year in the G League last year. And so, you know, he's, he's, he's inspired not only the team out on the court, but also the team here in our business operation. There's something about JJ that's professional and, and calm and cool and collected, and he's, he's paying dividends. And, you know, I didn't think he'd be as. As good as he is, but he certainly has shown it. And we continue to give him the resources that he needs, you know, to, to, you know, he wants to win, and that's what we want to do and no question, make it possible for him however we can.
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Greg Rosenthal
That brother is not going to be comfortable with mediocrity or losing. I can assure you of that. You don't have to wait. You don't have to worry about that at all. Before I get to my last question about you, just as an aside, a strange question, how are you feeling about having a crypto.com arena to yourself and not having to share with the Los Angeles Clippers anymore how you feel about that?
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Julie Swearbinks
Jeannie, you, you know, it. I, I thought we'd have, like, more dates, you know, less back to backs, but you know, that building is so busy with the Grammy Awards and all the concerts that they do.
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Hunter
It's.
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Julie Swearbinks
It's still just as busy. So they, they've replaced, you know, those games that the Clippers played with other events. And I've been to the Intuit Dome. I haven't seen a basketball game there yet. I went to the Bruno Mars concert. It's beautiful building. It's in our old neighborhood, Inglewood, you know, so it's great to see Inglewood with getting another team. So, you know, it's been, it's been great for both, both of us.
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Greg Rosenthal
My last question would be to you, because as you sit here now, as you said it, board of governor, you're responsible for all business and basketball decisions for the Los Angeles Lakers franchise to see now that you have a generational iconic basketball brand in your stable pretty much for the next decade. I mean, the brother's only 25 years old and Luka Doncic, you see what LeBron James is doing. The success of the Los Angeles Lakers, clearly you're going to be in the picture. You're going to be relevant for the foreseeable future. You're doing this in what was once deemed, at the very least, as a man's game. Clearly, that is not the case anymore, primarily because of you. And so when you look at Running Point, streaming now on Netflix, as you highlighted number one thus far and realizing the level of success that you've been enjoying, what kind of message would you like to send about what it took you to get to where you are, particularly to the young ladies out there looking to aspire to be great, great things? What kind of message do you hope your Netflix series sends? What kind of message do you hope your success as the owner for the Los Angeles Lakers ultimately sends?
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Julie Swearbinks
Thank you for asking me that, because that is important to me. I know what it meant to me growing up to see women in positions of power, and I hope that I can be an inspiration to the next generation. But what I think has led to my success is certainly being able to work with great people. But I think we've learned that there are so many distractions with social media. The negativity that's out there, you really have to be able to, you know, push that aside, you know, look at your own path and continue on it. You're going to have people challenge you, try to knock you down, but know who you are, know who your, what your truth is, and, you know, go to the people who support you. And, you know, and it might be a small circle of people, but people that you can trust and believe in and that believe in you and aren't out to, to knock you off and, and push you out of the way. So if I can show resilience would be the word, you know, then I've, I've completed what Billie Jean King did for me and inspiring me to pursue what was my passion.
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Greg Rosenthal
The one and only Jeannie Buss, owner for the Los Angeles Lakers, executive producer on Running Point, streaming now on Netflix. An absolutely wonderful, wonderful lady. And of course, I gotta give love to Linda Rambis as well. You tell Linda I said I gave all my best. I owe y'all both dinner. Thank you so much. Jeannie all the best. And I'll see you over the weekend.
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Julie Swearbinks
Okay, thank you.
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Greg Rosenthal
Thanks again to the wonderful, the incomparable Jeannie Buss. Lakers got a chance, y'all. Lakers got a chance. But you're gonna have to forgive me for switching subjects but still staying on the Lakers in some roundabout way because it's time to get into LeBron James, who made headlines after the Lakers game on Thursday night. Their victory over the Tibble Timberwolves. 111, 102 at home. LeBron led the way with 33 points, 17 rebounds. Meanwhile, Anthony Edwards was ejected for getting his 16th technical foul and missed most of the second half, by the way. But that's not why I want to talk about LeBron. I want to get into what LeBron had to say about Anthony Edwards post game and the conversation surrounding Edwards becoming the face of the NBA. Take a listen to this, please. Why do you want to be the face of a league when all, all the, all the people that you know.
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Julie Swearbinks
That cover our game and talk about.
- [61:11]
Greg Rosenthal
Our game on a day to day basis on everybody, that responsibility, that's just weird.
- [61:17]
Hunter
It's weird energy.
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Greg Rosenthal
Ladies and gentlemen, excuse my language. That's some straight bullshit by LeBron James. Straight bullshit. I'm getting sick and tired of folks talking about everybody who covers the league on the league. How do we on the league? Because some of us don't call LeBron James the goat because we bring up load management. Because people come to games sometimes and Cats are sitting out and fans don't even know until they arrive at the arena that the Cats are sitting out. Is it because all Star weekends arrives and folks don't learn that LeBron James is playing until is not playing, rather until the last minute? Is it because he's never participated in the slam dunk contest, thereby ruining it because he's the first marquee name with slam dunking ability like that to refuse to participate in an All Star slam dunk contest ever in his career. The way Jordan did Dominique did. Dr. Dr. J did. David Thompson did. Harold Miner did, Jason Richardson did, Tracy McGrady did, Vince Carter did Kobe did Zach Levine did Aaron Gordon did Nate Robinson did Spud Webb did the way all of these people did. He elected. That's how we're on the league. See, this is the kind of stuff that pisses people like myself off. I've covered the NBA for 30 years. I'm successful in life because of the NBA and what it's done for my Life. So is LeBron. So are thousands upon thousands of players that have come through the league. Just recently the league signed an 11 year 77 billion dollar deal. Well, how'd that come about? Out sponsors and advertisers, that's how. Yet somehow some way we going to sit up there and say you shouldn't want to be the face of the league because folks are on the league. Well, who are these folks? Let me tell you who it is. It's everybody in social media. But you see where the problem is and why. I think LeBron's comments was was because he doesn't specify who he's talking about. So folks on social media who do all of this salacious nonsense get lumped in with the rest of the media and nobody differentiates from the other. Social media ain't in the locker room. Social media doesn't ignore your personal life. Social media doesn't ignore your personal business. Social media doesn't have the classes, the decorum to avoid touching on those different things because it has nothing to do with the game of basketball. That's the media. People like myself and various others. Now to be clear and to put myself on front street, y'all do understand I'm under no obligation to talk about the NBA as much as I do, but I do. The league is happy with it. The network is happy with it. The fans are happy with it. Most other places don't. When you talk about folks who are covering your sport, did you know that that would happen to be some former players because they were part of the show and they were part of the ESPN network and various other networks. Former players preside over there, current players come there, coaches as well, league officials as well. How can we don't bring that up? How come we don't talk about those things? You see what has happened and what has transpired and was sickening. Let me tell you the most egregious of it all that nobody brings up. Barkley. Charles BARKLEY, all time 75th anniversary player, hall of Famer, one of the greatest players in NBA history. Yeah, Cats clapping at him. You've had some cats try to clap back at Shaq. Four time champion, arguably the most dominant force ever. Clearly the most dominant force of our lifetime. Decided Will Chamberlain. Try to talk about him. They talk about we don't celebrate the game enough. Really? What's your definition of celebration? Last time I checked is talking about the game we got to pedal you with roses when you shoot 2 for.
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Hunter
20.
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Greg Rosenthal
Or when somebody drops 50 on you or when you lose games and playoff series that you're supposed to Win. And here's the crime. Here's the crime. You know what else happens? LeBron James can have a bad game against KD or KD can have a bad game against Steph Curry, or Steph Curry can have a bad game against Jalen Brunson or somebody. Oh, these dudes, they always down in the brothers. Well, who the hell were you playing against? Wasn't that a brother? You're covering the game. You're talking about competition. And if you're talking about the sport, how is that downing another black person? If Lamont Roach steps into the boxing ring and gets knocked the hell out by Javante Davis, and I said he got knocked the hell out by Javante Davis. Is that me down in the brother? How come it can't be me acknowledging what Tank Davis did? What are we talking about here? The greatest of all time is Muhammad Ali. He's my idol. I know and adore and love his daughter Leila. She's been friends. Friends with me for years. He also called Joe Frazier a gorilla. Said he was too ugly to be champion during the immediate aftermath of the Civil Rights movement. If we want to get real, after Joe Frazier had extended a helping hand to help him when he was banned from boxing and denied the license to fight, America revered him, as well you should. But I'm just talking about how backwards we can be. Sometimes we ignore certain things. We love others. I remember when cats were getting at me because I said O.J. simpson didn't deserve to be acknowledged the way that he was during some awards event. And you had cats coming after me as if I was the one that was on trial for my life for committing double murder time and time and time again. The most salacious, the most ridiculous, the most egregious acts associated with human beings. And I'm certainly not comparing Muhammad Ali to O.J. simpson or anything like that. Please don't get me wrong. I'm simply making the point that it's amazing what we support and what we denigrate. LeBron James, to me, is the second greatest player in the history of basketball. You have people out there acting like I've hated on him because I have him as number two all time, and he co signs with it. Anthony Davis doesn't want to be the face of the league and other players don't want to be responsible. And he co signs with that notice. He did all of this after he got his money. Ron's worth a billion dollars. He got his money. So now we want to take those positions. Now we want to Encourage people to have a kind of mentality that sifts through the industry like a virus. So you can look down upon and be dismissive of and dare I say, hate on pundits and others because you may not like what they're saying and you're encouraging them to do it now, knowing it ain't gonna work for them down the line. But you don't care because you got yours. And one player after another falls for it. Hook, line of sinker. Remember when LeBron was in the bubble? He said, I got mine. Y'all don't have to side with me if y'all don't want to. I don't need this. I don't need it. I'm cool. Remember that? Remember when I told y'all when he took his talents to south beach and he didn't let the owner know? And he had to find out, Dan Gibbon had to find out national television like everybody else, that players were going to come back and pay a price for that because they were a collective bargaining agreement coming down the pike and at least 7% of basketball related income equating to about $2 billion was going to be snatched away from them. Remember when I said that? Remember when I talked about player movement a la Chris Paul going to the Los Angeles Lakers and Dan Gilbert, who had nothing to do with it, writing an open letter to the owners and making it public to speak out against a trade such as this? It wasn't just that Dan Gilbert was against player movement. Is that Chris Paul and LeBron James is pretty tight godfathers to one another's children, if I remember correctly. And that was a shot that Dan Gilbert took. Remember that? Remember when the whole George Floyd thing was going on after he had been murdered by Derek Chauvin, that police officer in Minnesota? And everybody was talking about locking arms, and I was ignored when I said bump. Just locking arms. You got the monetary cachet to have your own lobbyist to go up on Capitol Hill and persuade lawmakers to sign things into law to make things easier and to provoke real change. And I was ignored. I said all of these things, one thing after another, ignored. But we want to sit here and. Because people might have questions or point out things that they don't, like when 99 of the time all we're doing is revering the greatness of LeBron James and how we're going to miss him when he's gone. And all he can remember is folks on the NBA. Who shits on the NBA more than some of these players. It Ain't the media doing that. It's the players not protecting their own brand that has made them wealthy beyond their wildest imaginations. That's what's going on. And back to LeBron in this regard. Bronnie James is somebody that I hope will make the NBA and I believe will make the NBA someday. He's a good kid and by all accounts, everybody loves him. And everybody's rooting for him in hopes that he makes it. And I personally believe he will. I think he will because he's a fast learning and he's a talent. And we saw what he's been doing in the G League. Ladies and gentlemen, the opening game of the season. Bronnie James wasn't an NBA caliber player. We all knew that. And we all knew the only reason he was on the roster was because his father is LeBron James. Everyone stood back and paid homage and said, it's the least we could do for LeBron James. He deserves that. And we celebrated it, although we knew it wasn't based on merit. Everyone went along with it. The league went along with it. The Lakers went along with it. The media went along with it. Everybody. Did LeBron James mention that? Did he? We're the bad guys. And by the way, you're listening to somebody that covered the league at a time when all their personal shots was out there. We didn't touch it. And neither does today's media. Social media might, but not us. As long as you ain't in the police blotters, that's your business. Now, the players got podcast and they talk about people, but the folks covering the league is the one on the league. And sadly, some of y'all gonna fall for that. That LeBron threw out there pointing the finger in every other direction but that of himself and his brethren. I'm so surprised. I'm so surprised. Coming up, a male escort files a lawsuit against Diddy. And Jay Z is now going to trial suing the attorney who accused him and Diddy of sexual assault. I'll get into all of that and then some right here next on the Stephen A. Smith Show. Back with more in a minute. What's up, everybody? Stephen A. Smith here. Recently we made news because the great Bill O'Reilly announced a tour that's coming nearest you in the very, very near future. Get your tickets now for this. It's called Three Americans Live, March 30th at Live Nation's Flagstar at the Westbury Music Fair on Long Island. Don't miss the very first show as myself, Chris Cuomo and yes, that man Bill O'Reilly take our different ideas, our different backgrounds, our different beliefs across the country to demonstrate that respect, meaningful and even fun conversation. Those are the things that make America as great as it should be. The show will be spirited, unscripted and all three of us will let it fly as we discuss the topics everyone is thinking about these days. There will also be questions from the audience. We're not running. Tickets are officially on sale now with Pre sale code USA@3americanslive.com VIP package are available with the opportunity to meet and take photos with myself and both those fellas. That's three Americans live March 30th at the Westbury Music Fair on Long Island. Additional dates and cities to be announced. Don't miss it. Trust me, you'll get a kick out of it. Welcome back. Now let's get to the latest on Sean Diddy Combs. Combs is currently sitting in a Brooklyn jail on federal sex trafficking and racketeering charges. As we all know, Combs defense team is taking aim at the lawyer representing a large share of the music moguls alleged victims, Mr. Tony Busby. Attorneys for Combs filed a new motion on Tuesday to deny Busby's request to represent a client in the Southern District of New York despite not being licensed there. Busby, who's based in Texas, has become the public face of the civil side of Combs legal troubles, representing a slate of alleged victims, many of whom are unnamed. You may recall Busby is the same attorney who filed a sexual assault suit against Jay Z that was recently dismissed by the plaintiff, identified as Jane Doe. Jay then filed a defamation suit against Busby that's now headed to trial in Los Angeles after a judge found his claims have enough merit. Meanwhile, Diddy is facing another suit, this time from a man accusing him of rape back in 2012. The man, identified anonymously as John Doe, filed the complaint on Wednesday. According to court documents obtained by USA Today, the man was reportedly working as a male escort in Florida at the time of the alleged assault. Diddy's lawyers have denied the claim. Let me say this please, ladies and gentlemen, and I'm gonna preface my comments by saying a lot of what I'm going to say may come across as a bit unpopular, but I don't give a damn because it needs to be said, are these children? We're talking about the Jane does of the world. The Jane does that had Busby represent them in the case against with the allegations against Jay Z, a male Jane Doe that's Accusing Diddy of sexual malfeasance. Are these children? If they're children. That's not what I'm talking about here. We protect children at all cost. And I understand that. What I'm trying to figure out is what's up with the Jane Doe stuff with adults. So let me get this straight. You don't have to tell who you are, even though you're making an allegation, even though you've turned around and you've hired an attorney, even though that attorney is publicly making these allegations known against a Diddy or against a Jay Z, and their name gets to get. Gets to get raped through the coals, but you get to. To live anonymously.
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Julie Swearbinks
It.
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Greg Rosenthal
And maybe I should get drug tested. I mean, should I Salon. Should I Sherry, Mike, Aaron who? I mean, what. What am I missing? You get to make these accusations that can cost someone millions upon millions of dollars that could potentially incite a criminal case, or in Diddy's case, actually be a criminal case, stockpiling on top of the other charges that have been levied against them that can keep. Put him in jail for the rest of his life, and you get to be a Jane Doe. Why am I the only one bringing this up? Why? That's what I'm saying. I'm not talking about children. Anybody that's underaged, I got that part. But let me also make this claim. If you were under age 20 years ago, but now you're making a claim like a previous case against Diddy or against Jay Z, you shouldn't be a Jane Doe then, just because it happened to you when you were a child. I understand the child part, but ultimately you have become an adult. And once you're an adult, I'm not. I'm saying that should be the case. Am I missing something? Is it just me? How are you a Jane Doe or John Doe as an adult? Something wrong with our legal system. And, you know, one of these days. See, these are the kind of stuff that I like to get into. I want to get into stuff like this in terms of our legal system. I want to get into divorce cases, alimony and palimony and the legitimacy of that. I want to get into child support. How much should you have to give up? How much should you be allowed to get? Et cetera, et cetera, male or female? No gender bias here. I'm just talking about our legal system because I got a lot of problems with the legal system. This is one of them. I can't wait to talk to my next guest about this. I Need explanations. You get to accuse somebody and never have to identify. Or even if you have to identify yourself later. I don't give a damn about that. I give a damn about why do we know about Jay Z allegations? Allegations against Jay Z, allegations against P. Diddy, but we don't know the names specifically who's accusing them. Something wrong with that? That's not America, y'all. Or at least it shouldn't be America. Now, before I get to my next guest, I know what some of y'all are thinking, especially in the case of Diddy. I mean, one could argue he has a history of witness intimidation, if not straight violence, based on what we saw him do to Cassie Ventura. History of intimidation and violence against those who attempt to go after him. Had a producer here wrote to me, there are legal and practical safety reasons people identify as a John or a Jane Doe. I get that. I got my producers in my head. They all worry. I ain't scared because I'm not making an accusation against a Jane or a John Doe. I'm simply saying the accused gets put on front street. Well, what happens if a Jane or John Doe is found to be less than honest and forthcoming? Do we get to know their names then? If you rake somebody through the codes, you see, I'm a semi public figure. My producers ain't they behind the camera. If somebody gonna sue somebody as a member of this team, who you think gonna receive the lawsuit, and you get to sit up there and impugn my name, my integrity, but I don't get to know who you are. There's something wrong with that picture. I'm not talking about the Jane or the John Doe. I'm talking about the system. A system that potentially allows the accusers to live in darkness, draped in confidentiality, but the accused, without knowing their guilt or innocence, is put on front straight. Of course, there's cases where that's justified, and we always learn that. But there are some cases where it's not. Jay Z came out from day one and said, I am innocent. There is no truth to these allegations whatsoever. The case was ultimately dropped. But that was after his name was raked through the coals. After was after his name was draped in mud. That was after his business. Lost about $20 million in business. And now he has to sue the attorney for the accuser to get some sense of retribution and justice. That's my opinion. I'm entitled to it. Not as much, however, as my next guest, who's a sports anchor. He's an attorney and he's a Legal analyst extraordinaire. Anything that I need to be set straight about in regard to these legal matters, I assure you he's more than qualified to do just that. And he won't hesitate to do so. I'm talking about a man that has been on this show on several occasions. Very, very popular with my audience. He is back to talk to me about this stuff right now. The one and only Ryan Smith, my colleague at ABC and ESPN legal analyst extraordinaires here with us right now. What's going on, Ryan? How are you?
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Hunter
What's going on, man? I'm good. How you doing?
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Greg Rosenthal
Listen, man, I just finished going off about this and. And I want you to educate me about something before we even get into the particulars about Diddy, Jay Z and what have you. I have a problem. I understand. I. To truly understand that there are certain cases where the Jane or the John do unnecessary. What I was, what I was sounding off about was so Jay Z could be out there on Front street with the accusations, the case could ultimately get dropped. Yet and still Jay Z could talk about how his name was smeared, having proclaimed his innocence the whole time, how he lost $20 million in business and we know all about him, but we don't know anything about those accusing him. I have a problem with that in our system. Should I?
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Hunter
Yes and no. And I know that may not be the answer you want to hear, but. But here's the situation. I get where you're coming from. You're saying anybody who has the wherewithal, money, attention, fame, they are subject to people just coming and saying, hey, you did something to me. Whether that's true or not, not saying anything about the accusations here, and I can come after you and I can drag your name through the mud and I can force a settlement. Yes, we should be concerned about that. But you got to think of it in terms of the way our system is built. I want to say first, so everybody knows anyone in this country can file a lawsuit against anyone else. But our court systems are supposed to have a process in place to make sure that those lawsuits don't go too far. They're frivolous. I think what we're all concerned about when you talk about people filing these suits is, Stephen, I want you to think of the power dynamic. Let's say there's someone out there who has been assaulted in some way, and let's say that person has been assaulted by someone rich, famous and powerful. The ways in which they try to bring that suit, people might think, well, just File something, you can file a lawsuit, you can do whatever you want, but think about how their name might be drugged to the mud. Think about, in the same way that the famous person might have lawyers and other people to guard them, their popularity might not change the other person, their life changes fundamentally. And if that accuser, if what happened to them actually happened, they've been victimized in some way, they get victimized all over again. Not just in one hearing, not just in one deposition, but over months, if not years. And they become the public face of people coming at them, all because in this fact scenario I'm building, something happened to them that was horrible and unimaginable. So we want to protect against those kinds of scenarios for people in that power dynamic. And I think it's hard for people to conceptualize how hard it can be for somebody who has been attacked or if something bad has happened to them, how hard it can be not only to go through the incident, but also to relive it in the court process. So that's what we're trying to protect against. But on the other side, we want to also make sure we're not getting frivolous lawsuits for people who haven't suffered something. So it's a tough needle to thread, but that's the problem with trying to protect identities versus not.
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Greg Rosenthal
And to me, the needle, the needle, threading it, being tough is completely understandable, particularly when it comes to children, underaged individuals, they're totally worth it. But when I think about adults, there's a reason why we separate adults from children. You could commit a crime as a child. You're not going to be held to the same level of accountability in most instances as you would be if you were a full fledged adult. And so I'm thinking the Jane Doe, the John Doe walk, totally justifiable, particularly piggybacking off your explanation of it all. It still should rub us all the wrong way that even adults get to disguise their name and conceal their name while accusations are made that could cost somebody their livelihoods. I'm not even talking about billions. I'm talking about sometimes when it comes to jail. And that's what I wanted to say about that. Ryan, what's your response to that?
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Hunter
Yeah, I hear you. If the accusations are not true, and we want to know that, people would not do that. But Stephen and I, we live in the real world. People sometimes bring up things that aren't true. And also, can I just give you also this perspective sometimes? And I know people are going to say, I can't believe you're saying this, but look, sometimes people suffer trauma and they don't really process that trauma until later and until they feel comfortable. And then even if they've processed that trauma, they don't feel comfortable putting themselves out there in a court process situation until they feel the time is right. And then we want to protect those people because they've suffered that trauma. So I think that's, that's why I say it's a tough needle to thread. It's such an amorphous thing like what someone has gone through, what they might remember, what they might have experienced. And I think that's why we have those Jane does and John Doe situations. Just, just in terms of the theory of it. We want to make sure people are safe, feel safe in coming forward and bringing claims against other people, even though they might be afraid of what might happen to them.
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Greg Rosenthal
Give me your reaction to Diddy's lawyers attempts to keep Tony Busby, the Houston based attorney, away from this trial.
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Hunter
Yeah, this is a really interesting one. Essentially what they're saying is he didn't file the necessary paperwork and he's not approved the practice in the Southern district of New York where he's bringing a lot of different cases. Now, just as a sort of overview on this thing, there's a concept called pro hoc viche. What that means is you're from another district, you want to practice in this new district. And on this occasion, that's kind of the Latin words for pro hoc viche. On this occasion you're allowed to do it. So what Diddy's lawyers are saying is, look, he didn't file the necessary paperwork yet he filed all these cases. He's not admitted to practice. He can't do this kind of thing in the courtroom because he didn't do the necessary things it took to actually participate in this case in this way in the Southern district of New York. Now Tony Busby is basically saying to this, not true, I'm admitted in the State Bar in New York. Just a sidelight here. You could be admitted in the State Bar of New York but still have to do paperwork to get into the Southern district. So those are two, those two things can be true there. But at the same time, what Diddy's lawyers are really concerned about is the way Busby has been acting. In their mind, they believe that he does things like, for example, say things in the media that in some ways can prejudice their client, that can make their client look bad. With his upcoming criminal trial coming up in his civil suits, and they make the argument of, hey, the guy has not filed what he needed to to be in this district. He has previously been admonished and ruled against in terms of being in this district because he didn't do it in another case. And now we can't let him come in and do it on these cases because look at how he's acting in our minds. Look at how he's putting stuff out there in the media. He doesn't know the standard that we have here and therefore he needs to be excluded. So I think it's going to be a little bit of an interesting fight. And then on the Busby side, you have to wonder, if he's filing all these cases, why didn't he do the necessary things to be able to practice in the Southern District of New York?
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Greg Rosenthal
That's a good point. No question about it. Busby appeared on this show, by the way. I don't know if you knew that he could be here on this show a few weeks after Combs was arrested last year, claiming to have dozens of victims of various allegations against Combs. He also accused Jay Z at the time in the suit. Are actually in a suit that was dismissed now, Jay Z suing him, as you well know. What impact, if any, would that have on Diddy Combs federal trial in your estimation?
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Hunter
You mean Jay Z, sue and Busby?
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Greg Rosenthal
Yes. Yes.
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Hunter
The big thing can be if. If in some way he's admonished, it makes him look bad in some ways in the public perception aspect. But the cases themselves, we got the criminal trial and likely the civil cases after that. That's the way we usually have it and that's the way it looks like it's going to play out here. In terms of Busby and Jay Z's interaction affecting Sean Combs criminal trial, I don't think there'll be a lot of effect there. From what I'm seeing in some of the complaints that have been filed by from what I'm seeing in some of the documents that have been filed by Combs lawyers, Busby's clients, these civil clients aren't going to have a whole lot of interaction with the criminal trial, at least at this point, could change. But what happens to the lawyer doesn't necessarily affect what happens in another criminal trial. I think for Tony Busby, the concern is if my name is being out there, put out there in a way that makes you. Makes me look ineffective, makes me look like I shouldn't be practicing in this particular jurisdiction and in a sense makes me look like I'm not doing the right thing. And Busby's point in all this is, hey, this is because I'm effective. These other sides, they're coming after me because I've got these people with real claims. And so they're throwing everything against the wall and seeing what can stick. And in his mind, he's saying, it's just a paperwork error that can be rectified. I should be able to manage these cases.
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Greg Rosenthal
Meanwhile, another alleged victim, because I can't forget this, a male escort filed a suit this week against Diddy Combs, alleging sexual assault. What impact will these lawsuits or news of them had on Diddy's upcoming trial?
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Hunter
All of this, Stephen A. Reminds me of what we saw, you and I, when they first announced the charges against Sean Combs. And what the prosecutor at that time said is, and I'm paraphrasing here, this isn't the end of this. We're still looking into all sorts of claims. We're still investigating all of this. And you think about how any of this came to be the stuff involving Cassie, the initial video that we all saw. I think in cases like these, what you have is on the criminal side, they are always keeping an eye on what is going on. Outside of that. They want to see, hey, is there anything there on the outside? Some of these civil cases, maybe they want to see, does any of this in any way interact with what we're trying to do criminally? Now, I'm not saying it will. We don't know that for sure. The case is coming up. But at the same time, you have to wonder, with these cases continuing to arise, and we've seen this in other aspects separate from Sean Combs case, Sometimes when you have civil cases that continue to arise, prosecutors in a criminal case will say, let me take a look at that. Let me keep an eye on that to see if there's anything going on there that might affect what we're doing here.
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Greg Rosenthal
Last couple of questions before I let you go. Ryan Smith, really appreciate your time. How much more trouble is Didian right now in your estimation, compared to when he was first arrested and indicted on.
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Hunter
These charges, you're talking about criminally or civilly?
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Greg Rosenthal
Criminal. Criminally. I'm just wondering if this like we, we keep hearing different things come out about him week after week after week. So I'm wondering if in your eyes, things have gotten worse or things the same as they once were months ago.
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Hunter
I think from the outside looking in, it appears like it's gotten worse. From the prosecutor's Perspective, I think it's largely the same. And the reason why is when you talk about the Southern district of New York and the case they're bringing, this is a district with an extremely high win rate. I mean, when they, when you see them in front of the microphones announcing the charges, announcing what they have, they have got the meat of their case together. This isn't like, hey, I'm going to come out there. We're filing this case. Hopefully it goes well. This is, we got him. We feel confident in that. We got him and we're pursuing this case. Everything else after that becomes about compiling evidence, fine tuning your case, getting ready for the trial. So outside looking in, I think it's gotten, it seems to have gotten worse for Diddy. The court of public opinion is against him, but in a trial, we're not supposed to really be thinking about that. So much for the prosecutors. They're looking at this like, no, we knew a lot of this already. We have now fine tuned or we're going to continue to fine tune our case and anything else we're building on top of that is great. But when we file the charges, when we put this out there, when we began this criminal case, our case was strong enough. That's what I think they're probably thinking at this point.
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Greg Rosenthal
Very last question for you, Jay Z. His issue was civil. That's been dropped. Now he's going after Busby. So I don't think we need to be concerned about him being in any kind of, kind of trouble based off of how things have panned out in his situation. Diddy, we talk about this all the time. But you know what? We haven't said we haven't heard enough of Ryan. How much time is Diddy potentially looking at in jail if found guilty of these charges?
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Hunter
Life in prison. Life in prison. And this is, this is serious. You know, I think a lot of times when people think of criminal charges, they think, well, life, it means a lot less. Could be a lot less. Absolutely. But I just want to say that when you have a case involving a high profile person like Sean Combs, it's not even so much about could it be less. And when you talk about federal cases, usually whatever those charges are, those, that time will stick in many, many cases. I think what you've got here is a situation where prosecutors know this is high profile, they know they want to win, but they also are trying to send a message. They're trying to send a message just like they did in the Weinstein case and other cases like it that the powerful will not be able to take advantage of the people without power, especially in the entertainment industry. So when you look at a case like this, we just talk about what he could face. But this is, this is about as serious as it gets for a criminal charge against any entertainer we have ever seen. Because of the stakes for the prosecutor's office and because he's facing all this time life in prison. I mean, that is, that is as serious as it gets.
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Greg Rosenthal
What about his lawyer? One of his lawyers backing out of the case, recusing himself from the case, didn't give reasons why, but he backed out. What about that?
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Hunter
Yeah, this is something. So I read about this and the first thing I thought is there's always, we talked about this earlier. Public perception versus what might have really happened. Public perception. I'll just give you this perspective. If you're a client on a case and one of your lawyers backs out, you want to be concerned about what that looks like publicly. Because the public sentiment can be, hey, did they drop out because they think there's something wrong in this case? That's the last thing you want people to see. There's a number of reasons. First thing is we don't know why. And that's the most important thing because there's a number of reasons lawyers can drop out of cases. One could be time constraints. Another, which I think we saw in different high profile cases over time, is when lawyers are involved in cases and they might have a disagreement of how they handle the case or a disagreement of who does what or a disagreement of how they interact. In this case, it might cause one lawyer to be like, hey, I can't do my job effectively so I'm going to move back. If you get too deep into the trial process, it's hard to withdraw. But I think we're early enough that this lawyer could pull back. And the key is we can't know exactly what that reasoning was. And I would caution the public to make a read into this and say, oh, it has to do with something about Diddy. The case might not be going his way. A lot of times this is not, this is not abnormal, at least at this point. And a lot of times it can come from stuff going on within the team that we just don't know about.
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Greg Rosenthal
My brother doesn't get any better than you. The one and only Ryan Smith right here breaking down the Diddy Jay Z situation going on and has been going on over the last few weeks and months, obviously. Ryan Smith, thank you so much for your time. My brother. I really, really appreciate it. Have a wonderful weekend.
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Hunter
Anytime. Stephen A. Take care, man. You too.
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Greg Rosenthal
Thanks again to Ryan Smith and of course, the incomparable Jeannie Buss for being guest on today's show. That's it for this edition of the Stephen A. Smith Show. I got a long, long weekend, all weekend long, long tonight, tomorrow, Sunday, doing a slew of NBA games on both ESPN and abc. So I'm still a very busy man, but that doesn't mean y'all have to be. I hope y'all are busy watching me talk about the NBA, but if you're not, enjoy your weekend. Anyway. Be blessed. This is Stephen A. Signing off until Monday. Peace and love, everybody.
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Hunter
What's up, everyone?
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Greg Rosenthal
It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're.
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Hunter
Going to be bringing you 40s and.
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Greg Rosenthal
Free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents starting on March 6th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, everyone?
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Julie Swearbinks
Julie Swearbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson. We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go. The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb. Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?
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Greg Rosenthal
Exactly.
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Julie Swearbinks
And you'll never know who will drop.
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Greg Rosenthal
By to join us.
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Julie Swearbinks
Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.
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Greg Rosenthal
Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.