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Stephen A. Smith
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Void where prohibited by law 21/ terms and conditions apply all right folks, I need you all to stop what you're doing and listen up. You know I love this time of year, right? The NBA players are in full effect and with all this action jumping off, the Stephen A. Smith show wants to make sure you take advantage of it all. That's why we partnered with Prize Picks the best place to win cash while watching sports. The app is easy to use. Just pick more or less on a few player stats and you can win up to 2000 times your cash on a single lineup. Best of all, prospects will give you $50 when you play your first $5 lineup. Win or lose, you'll get $50 for playing. Use promo code SAS and download the app now. Again, download the app and use code SAS to get $50 instantly after your first $5 lineup. Prospects. Hey, hey, run your game. Madison Square Garden is going to be on fire tonight. It's going to be lit. My New York Knicks are back in the building and lead the series 32 against the reigning defending NBA champion Boston Celtics. Can it close out tonight? That's the question. All right, well, guess what? They better. I'm giving you my picks for tonight's game, so let's get right to it. First up, will Jalen Brunson score more or less than 29 and a half points? Why the hell would I say less? It's got to be more. The brothers averaging over 36 a game after loss. I got to go with that. It's definitely Got to be more. Next up, will Mitchell Robinson score more or less than four and a half points? It's a damn shame I gotta even ask that question for a seven footer, you know. But I'm gonna say it anyway. I think the brothers gonna score more than four and a half points. Cause I think he's gonna hit a free. Free throws and he's definitely gonna get fouled a lot because Missoula's gonna try to take him out of the game by following him intentionally. So I'm gonna go with more on that one as well. Next up with Jaylen Brown score more or less than 25 and a half points. He's the $304 million man. He showed up and dropped 26 points and 12 assists, the career high in the postseason. 12 assists. By the way, Jaylen Brown is going to show up at the Garden tonight. It ain't going to be about those assists. It's going to be about points. He's going to need to score points in bunches in order for the Boston Celtics to have a chance. I do believe he's going to score more than 25 and a half in this particular game, although I expect him to lose anyway. And finally, will Derrick White score more or less than 20 and a half points? The brother just hit seven three pointers. I'm not going to think he's going to go from hitting 70 three pointers and dropping 34 points and not scoring the damn. It's not scoring 20 damn points. I got to believe he's going to do that as well. It ain't going to be enough. But for the moment, I'll look at him and I'll give him that opportunity. I think everybody else will probably be shut down, but I think Derrick White and Jaylen Brown will answer the call from a points production standpoint. So that's more for Jalen Brunson, more for Mitchell Robson, more for Jaylen Brown and more for Derrick White. We're talking about prize picks. We're all about more people. We're all about more. So go to Prize Picks app and check out the Stephen A. Smith show community play. It's boosted at 25%. Just so you know. What's up, everybody? Welcome to the latest edition of the Stephen A. Smith show. Coming at you as I love to do at the very least three times a week over the digital airwaves of YouTube and of course iHeartRadio. As always, I like to pause and before I get into anything to take a moment to thank my listeners. My followers, my subscribers. The show's popularity continues to grow and it wouldn't be the case if it were not for you. So I sincerely thank you for your contribution to the show courtesy of millions of downloads over iheartradio over the last several months, not to mention a subscriber base on YouTube that has now eclipsed 1.22 million. Again, the love and support is deeply appreciated. I thank you and my team thanks you from the bottom of my heart. To continue to like and follow the show and you want to get notified for our newest content, just click the bell in the right hand corner and you too shall consider yourself the latest member of the Stephen A. Smith show family. And while you're doing that, please make sure to pick up a copy of my New York Times best selling book, Straight Shooter, a memoir of Second Chances and First Takes now in paperback. Just go to straightshooterbook.com to get yourself a copy. Once again, that's straightshooterbook.com to get yourself a copy. This is a special kind of show. It's a little bit different today because I'm gonna have some of my boys in the house. Sort of like a Freedom Friday kind of thing going on. Just a bunch of fellas with yours truly freelancing about whatever topics are on their mind. These are dudes that I grew up with. I want to be very, very clear. I'm not responsible for the things that come out of their mouth and the things that they say because I'll be damned if I know what they gonna say from topic to topic. These are my boys from Queens, New York. So they gonna be in the house hanging with me today. We'll get into all of that a little bit later. First order of business is to get started in New York, however, in a federal sex trafficking and racketeering trial against Sean Diddy Combs. Defense attorneys Foot combs picked back up with their cross examination of Cassie Ventura, the ex girlfriend the judge determined today would be her last day on the stand as Cassie is nine months pregnant and could go into labor at any moment. She's considered a key witness in the trial who so far testified about physical abuse, Diddy's temper and her participation in freak offs, the drug fueled sex performances he orchestrated as well. Cassie's testimony is laying a critical foundation for both the prosecution and the defense. I'll get into that in a second. Today she was asked about text messages exchanged between her and Combs in the days after the infamous Intercontinental hotel beating in 2016 that we all saw on Video a few months ago. In the messages, Combs expressed desire to engage sexually with Ventura. On the cross examination, Ventura confirmed she thought it was strange he would suggest something sexual. And after what happened at the hotel, here's a portion of that text exchange. Combs wrote, quote, I felt that way from Friday, the day of the altercation, end quote. Cassie responded, quote, what are you doing? Not a good vibe. We need a different vibe than Friday, end quote. Diddy responded, quote, Friday, laugh out loud. I don't even want to do that again, end quote. Cassie, quote, laugh out loud. True. And in the following messages, Combs referenced the card and told Ventura that he loved her. Cassie responded, quote, love you, end quote. Look, y' all, these things can get complicated, yet can be very, very simple. So let me try to simplify it as best as I possibly can. Number one, if you are Diddy, your number one priority is to make sure you're not spending 15 to the rest of your natural life in jail. 15 years to the rest of your natural life in jail for sex trafficking and racketeering. So what you're trying to do is show there's a significant level of consensual behavior taking place here to eradicate the notion that you're some sex trafficker or racketeering. That's basically what you're trying to do. But in the process of doing that, he's further incriminating himself, his defense team, that is because they're fully acknowledging that what we've seen on video already and what she's elaborated on extensively was a history of physical violence against her that included black eyes and urination and all of this other stuff. They're essentially acknowledging that that's true. So life as Diddy once knew is over. The commercials, the Chiroc commercials and the parties and all. Nah, that's. That's over. That's over. Being accepted by the status quo, being a major player and influencer in the world of Hollywood and hip hop and beyond, over. But again, the case is a federal one. It involves sex trafficking and racketeering as opposed to domestic violence, which is a state crime. And so because of it, you sort of understand what, where his defense team is coming from. And in that regard, as incriminating as it may be to be considered what he is at this particular moment in time, I mean, women, everywhere I've looked, you have one woman after another using the word repulsive and repugnant and a lot of other things that I'm not going to say. This is how they're feeling about him, he can't be overly concerned about that when he's trying to avoid being behind bars for the rest of his life. The other side is Cassie. And that's where it gets tricky, because purportedly being raped, you were still in his life for a significant period of time thereafter. And those text messages that were just shown after he beat you, after he assaulted you, Laugh out loud. Let's have a different vibe than Friday. That's not something you expect to hear in the immediate aftermath of being thrown to the ground, kicked, hit, having a glass vase thrown at you, at your head. That's not something that you're expecting to read. That's not a level of communication you're expecting to witness, to hear about. It's just the truth. And so now we're going to find ourselves as a society addressing several issues. And I think that it's dangerous to do this. I wouldn't advise people to do it, but people are already doing it. If you listen to what people are saying in their comments and beyond about this trial, they're saying, okay, she's bringing this up now. You know, he's under arrest and, you know, hell hath no fury. I want to hear that, anybody trying to hear that. But you got people talking that stuff. They're going to look at her and they're going to question the legitimacy of her victimhood, because that's what the defense is doing. And they're going to look for her level of culpability in the consensual element of their relationship to offset, if not completely debunk accusations and allegations that she was somehow assaulted or beyond. These are all details we don't need to get into, but they're unavoidable from the standpoint of recognizing what the case is, what one argument is being made compared to what the other argument is being made. And to the, to the prosecution, she's a key witness. They came out swinging with her. I got that part, too. But the fact that she's pregnant and she's detailed what she has detailed, and still they've been able to gather text message exchanges between her and Diddy in the aftermath of these physical encounters and ordeals she was forced to endure. They're saying, were you really forced? Did you not invite this? Was this not par for the course? I don't know how to. I don't know where to go beyond that. But I'm going to say this as a man, because I think it's important to say this. You can look at it two ways when it comes to a husband. Because we got to say this, ladies. Because I got ladies in the studio, we got to say this. It's important you do. All I'm going to do is personalize it. If it were me, although in no way would I question whether or not I believed my wife. If she said she was raped and assaulted, I would definitely believe her, and I would be in the courtroom to support her. I would say, at the very least, can we all concede that stuff is pretty hard to listen to? I'm talking about the consensual stuff. I'm talking about the consensual stuff involving multiple men. I'm talking the consensual stuff involving acts that included those men. And that's recognizing that there's a believability factor in terms of her being assaulted. It would be really hard to listen to all of that. And I think that's why when we see some of these comments and people commenting on the case and stuff like that, you have certain people who feel one way and certain people who feel another way, because they're taking all of this evidence into consideration and they're asking themselves, it was them that was sitting in the courtroom. What if it were them that was sitting on that stand? What if it were them that were detailing some of these things that transpired? What if it were them that had that experience against P. Diddy? P. Diddy, no matter what way you slice it, he looks horrible. Horrible. But for the purposes of the trial, the question is, does he look like a sex trafficker or racketeer? If the answer to those two questions are no, you know what the bottom line is? You can't get convicted, at least in this case, of being an absolutely horrible, repulsive human being. Are you a sex trafficker and racketeer or are you not? That's the bottom line. That's the bottom line. Coming up, the WNBA season tips off this week, and I've got a preview of what we can expect to see this season. But first, there's the conference semifinals. That's about to come to an end this weekend in the NBA. Will the Knicks finally put away the Celtics? And will the Thunder put away the Nuggets? I'll break it all down, and you'll never, ever guess who it's with. You probably won't know them, but I assure you, once you finish listening, none of them. You will. They're my boys. And when you got boys, ladies and gentlemen, you love them to death, no matter how crazy their asses are, you'll understand exactly what I'm talking about in a minute. This is Stephen A. Smith Show Free Flowing on this Friday. Don't go away, although I'm scared to stay back with more in a minute. All right everybody, listen up. With all the big time sports action that's happening each and every day, the Stephen A. Smith show wants to make sure you are taking advantage of it all. That's why we've partnered with Prize Picks the best Place to Win Cash While Watching Sports the app is really easy to use to make a lineup. All you have to do is pick more or less on a few player stats. Pick choose from any of your favorite players. Luka Doncic, Jimmy Butler and Zach lavine all in the same entry. 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Stephen A. Smith
Welcome back to Stephen A. Smith Show. Let's get to the NBA players for a second where the conference semifinals come to an end this weekend. We're starting the Eastern Conference where the New York Knicks have a chance to close out the defending champion Boston Celtics at Madison Square Garden. The Celtics are without Jayson Tatum, who went down this week with the Achilles injury, and somehow the Knicks found a Way to. To get blown out Wednesday in Boston in Game 5. I could get to it. I could get to how urgent this game is for the New York Knicks. They don't need to be thinking about going back to Boston for Game 7. Close the damn thing out. Now, I could say that and just leave it at that, but I didn't want to do that for y' all on this particular Friday. Rather than just give my opinions, my humble opinions to the audience at large, I wanted to introduce a few people to you. As I've told y' all on many, many occasions, I have several friends, lifelong friends, some of my best friends on the planet. And a few of them are in studio. They insisted on it. They've been waiting for this moment because they believe the camera, the audience, belongs to them. At least two of them think that way. Let me give you the first one. This is my brother right here. My man Shaq. Diesel knows him well. Uncle Jerome knows him well. I know him well. One of my best friends in the world. Money Mark is what they call him. The world knows him as Money Mark. I'm talking about my man, Mark Stevens. What's up, big time man?
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Mark Stevens
How you doing today?
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Stephen A. Smith
See, there you go with the Barry White voice. Anyway, let me move on before I get. Before I get to him. Let me get to my next guest right here. My college teammate, my college buddy, one of my best friends in the world. Sorry, Mon. Sorry, Phil. Sorry, everybody, that y' all couldn't make it in the studio as well. But Spank's here for all of y' all, including you, Turner, Ski, Boris, all of y' all. Spank is in the house for y' all. My man Gary Stevens, my college teammate at Winston Salem State University. And this brother right here, ladies and gentlemen. Me and this brother go back since we were five years old growing up in Holland. Squeeze together. We've been friends for over 52 years. The man himself, my man, Cardell Brooks. What's up, man? How you doing?
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Cardell Brooks
I'm all as well. All is well. I'm digging this. I'm digging.
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Stephen A. Smith
You digging this? You digging what? You digging about it, man? What you thinking about it?
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Cardell Brooks
Hey, hey, hey. Whoever thought somebody from Hollis, Queens will be moving and shaking like this? I'm loving this.
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Stephen A. Smith
You loving this? You loving it? You cool with that? I see the LV on the shirt with the glasses.
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Mark Stevens
We see the diamonds you had to wear small. You represent the Knicks.
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Stephen A. Smith
That's what that is.
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Mark Stevens
Oh, yeah.
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Stephen A. Smith
So that's all about representing the Knicks.
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Mark Stevens
That's it.
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Stephen A. Smith
When you give a damn about the Knicks.
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Mark Stevens
Well, I love the Knicks.
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Stephen A. Smith
When? I ain't never heard you say World Wide West, I know you ain't hear you say that. World Wide West. So that's what it's about.
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Mark Stevens
Best executive VP there is, Leon Grove.
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Stephen A. Smith
Best general manager there, William Wesley, general manager under Leon Rose. Not really officially the general manager, but he's an executive of the. Leon Rose for the New York Knicks. We all know. So you represent Worldwide west, right?
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Mark Stevens
No question.
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Stephen A. Smith
And Spank. You just here representing the fellas, right?
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Gary Stevens
I'm here. Yep. Representing fellas.
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Stephen A. Smith
So let me ask y' all this question because I got a bunch of stuff that I want to get into. Y' all we free flowing today. So we talk about whatever the hell y' all want to talk about. Right? But not before we get the NBA playoffs out the way. Knicks winning tonight.
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Mark Stevens
Yes, sir. Why Broadway? It was meant to be.
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Stephen A. Smith
That's what you got, Uncle. So it was meant to be.
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Mark Stevens
Uncle.
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Stephen A. Smith
Oh, shit. Go ahead, Cardell. Cause you can text me all the damn time with these sports questions.
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Cardell Brooks
Me and you already had this conversation. You had the Knicks. You had Boston winning.
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Stephen A. Smith
Of course I did.
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Cardell Brooks
Five games. I told you that won't happen. I told you I have Boston winning in seven games.
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Stephen A. Smith
Okay?
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Cardell Brooks
I still feel that way.
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Stephen A. Smith
You still think Boston's gonna beat the Knicks?
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Mark Stevens
Yes, sir.
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Stephen A. Smith
You think they're coming back? They beating the Knicks game six tonight?
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Cardell Brooks
Yes, sir.
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Stephen A. Smith
I can't believe you flew in the studio just to tell me that shit.
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Cardell Brooks
You can say whatever you want. The truth is, the Trut. They do not have an answer for Jaylen Brown. No.
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Stephen A. Smith
Derrick White?
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Cardell Brooks
No.
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Stephen A. Smith
You gonna tell me Cornette.
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Cardell Brooks
Yes. They don't have an answer for Cornette.
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Stephen A. Smith
Cornette. So he has one game where he gets seven blocks, five blocks in the third quarter. One game. One game. Now they don't have an answer for.
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Cardell Brooks
Him and Shook the whole team Wednesday night. You can say whatever you want. We can argue back and forth about this all day. They didn't have an answer for him. They did not. Maybe that's why they lost.
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Stephen A. Smith
Let me go to the one reliable basketball mind that I can lean on for this crew right here. You spank. What's up?
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Gary Stevens
I think they got it tonight. I think the energy of the Garden is going to take them over the top.
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Stephen A. Smith
Right? Let me ask y' all this quick question. If I had my druthers at this moment in time, the dream matchup in the finals based off of the teams left would be New York vs. Ant. Man in Minnesota money.
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Cardell Brooks
Mark, what did I tell you? What did I tell you? Nah, I told you. Minnesota is going to take this.
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Gary Stevens
Do you think they gonna win it?
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Cardell Brooks
No.
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Stephen A. Smith
Talk it to the mic so the audience can hear you.
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Cardell Brooks
No.
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Gary Stevens
Yeah, you gonna. They gonna win it.
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Cardell Brooks
No, no, I didn't say they were gonna win it. What I'm telling you is right now, Minnesota is a young, strong, vibrant team. They still need time to mesh. They still need time to get the chemistry. But you give them next. Next year.
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Gary Stevens
That wasn't the question.
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Cardell Brooks
The question's gone this year. No, they're not gonna take it this year. I didn't answer that question. I said that first.
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Gary Stevens
He said the best final.
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Stephen A. Smith
Let me switch. Let me switch gears. Let me get off subject here from the sports and talk to y' all. Spank. You've laughed a lot.
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Gary Stevens
Yes.
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Stephen A. Smith
You know, your laugh is one of the things I hate a lot. I love you, but that damn laugh of yours make sinister. It's ridiculous. It's so annoying. But let me ask you this question. Not you, Spank.
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Gary Stevens
Yeah, yeah.
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Stephen A. Smith
Mark and Cardell, y' all had a long standing relationship with one another. And it's straight comedy. Y' all constantly going back and forth with one another. Why are y' all, as much as y' all got love for each other, y' all are fighting all day, every day. Why Mark?
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Mark Stevens
He's the ying, I'm the yang. You know, he brings out the best of me. We was on the plane and by the way, he came through the airport like he's about to rob somebody with a durag and some flip flops on hold of.
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Stephen A. Smith
Came through the airport with a durag.
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Mark Stevens
And flip flops with the hoodie on.
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Stephen A. Smith
Atlanta Airport. Cardell with a do rag and flip flop.
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Cardell Brooks
Cardell came through the airport. Comfortable. Comfortable. I'm tired of taking my shoes off with the shoestrings. I'm tired of taking my belt off, my pants falling down. I came in there with my sweats.
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Gary Stevens
Flip flops get pre checked, man. Get what pre checked?
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Cardell Brooks
My money ain't as long as yours.
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Gary Stevens
It's like $90.
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Cardell Brooks
I ain't got $90.
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Stephen A. Smith
You ain't got $90? No, sir. You ain't got $90.
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Cardell Brooks
No, sir.
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Stephen A. Smith
You ain't Got $90.
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Cardell Brooks
My boys ain't trying to put me on or nothing.
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Stephen A. Smith
So you walk through the airport with a durag and flip flops, which.
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Cardell Brooks
Listen, I was comfortable. I woke up this morning. That walk, too. I woke. I woke up this morning trying to catch my flight Trying to catch my flight, and I'm getting texted saying, yeah, your flight is delayed. Your flight is delayed.
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Stephen A. Smith
Your flight is delayed.
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Cardell Brooks
Come on. I knew what was gonna happen at the airport. I'm just confused. Comfortable, man.
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Stephen A. Smith
So the fight was delayed and you knew you was going to be comfortable, so you just showed up in flip flops in the door. I thought you care about how the lady saw you. I thought you cared about appearances. And showing up with durag and flip flops in the airport in public ain't the most attractive thing in the world.
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Mark Stevens
Listen.
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Stephen A. Smith
Speak up, man.
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Cardell Brooks
Listen. Y' all put me. Listen. Ain't no shame in my thing. I came to the airport in my sweatshirt, my flops, my Scully on, and I'm comfortable.
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Stephen A. Smith
But look at.
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Cardell Brooks
Look how the world see me now. I'm the smoothest thing.
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Mark Stevens
He had his white feet on, too.
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Stephen A. Smith
Hold on. You're the smoothest thing since the pool bowl.
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Gary Stevens
The pool ball. What's the role?
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Cardell Brooks
You see, the pool balls is nice and smooth. Don't, don't, don't. Let's go. Come on.
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Stephen A. Smith
What's it like listening to these two.
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Cardell Brooks
Going back into a corner?
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Gary Stevens
First of all, them two is wild. But Bobby and Carly.
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Stephen A. Smith
Bobby was stuck in Florida. Bobby couldn't make it from Florida to Head time. That's why I didn't bring him.
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Gary Stevens
That's. That's the ultimate dumb and dumber show. They're arguing and they don't even know what they arguing about.
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Cardell Brooks
I was gonna argue about. I know what I'm arguing about with Mark.
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Gary Stevens
Listen, y' all see things Dumb2 have, you know, the women issues, you know, they talk.
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Stephen A. Smith
What's the woman issue? What's the woman issue with you and Cardell Moore? What's the woman issue?
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Mark Stevens
So here's what's so crazy. We. I know we gonna go to another topic, but we was. We was on the way here talking about Diddy.
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Stephen A. Smith
Okay, Right, right, right.
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Mark Stevens
And I said to me, he's uncivilized.
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Stephen A. Smith
Okay, go ahead.
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Mark Stevens
He's uncivilized. He thinks from the waist down.
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Stephen A. Smith
He's uncivilized from the waist down.
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Mark Stevens
No control, no self control. But. But listen, I was just stating the facts. And, you know, Cardell had his own perspective on it, man.
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Stephen A. Smith
What was his perspective, Mark? I mean, from your interpretation, what was.
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Mark Stevens
It he said, man, it's gonna be eight weeks, Approximately eight weeks of testimony. We need to just wait and hear how it's gonna pan out. And it might be some light at the end of the tunnel.
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Stephen A. Smith
So you don't have a problem with. You have a problem with Cuddell's position about the eight weeks?
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Mark Stevens
No, I didn't have a problem with that. I had a problem with him saying that Puffy, he basically tried to say it was Cassidy.
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Cardell Brooks
I did not see what you were saying.
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Mark Stevens
She was the one uncivilized.
- [27:39]
Cardell Brooks
I did not. And that's his interpretation. And people's interpretation is their reality. That's not what I said.
- [27:44]
Stephen A. Smith
What did you say?
- [27:46]
Cardell Brooks
I said. I said it's eight weeks. At the end of the day, it's a lot that's going to be going on with Puffy in this whole thing. Here's my take on Puffy. Here's my take on Puffy. I got the same take about Puffy. R. Kelly, Bill Cosby, all of them. These people are who they are, and people want to be around them. People want to be around them. When you realize who these people are.
- [28:14]
Stephen A. Smith
Are.
- [28:15]
Cardell Brooks
When you realize who these people are in the position that they're in, you need to ask yourself, can I really fit into their lifestyles? Now, let me be clear on this. Let me be crystal clear so everybody understand. I do not condone any aspect of this man's behavior. From what I know and have seen, I do not condone it. Like Mark said, I think he's uncivilized. I. I called them a savage. That's what I called.
- [28:45]
Stephen A. Smith
You call it Diddy savage.
- [28:46]
Cardell Brooks
Yes, he's a savage. With that being said, when the world found out about this Cassidy thing, we found out about what, 20, 21, 22.
- [29:00]
Stephen A. Smith
Yeah.
- [29:01]
Cardell Brooks
That tape of him in that hotel happened 2016.
- [29:06]
Stephen A. Smith
That's right. Nine years ago.
- [29:08]
Cardell Brooks
Nine years ago. My take on this is when you realized the straight savagery of this man. Why did it take you so long to leave? Now everybody's saying she's trying to leave. She's trying to leave in that hotel. What took us so long?
- [29:24]
Stephen A. Smith
But you do concede and understand she's young, she's impressionable. Hold on. She's young, she's impressionable. She wanted to be a success in the business. He had all the power. As a result, he had the ability and the power to manipulate her career, her future aspirations, et cetera, et cetera. Not to mention that he was incredibly powerful, and he could have done her even more harm if they actually can be more harm. I'm just talking about based on the reports of what he has done, which are despicable and repulsive, and we all know this, okay? So based off of that reality, the mindset is, you have a lot of young ladies out there. Unfortunately, if you're in this position, sometimes it takes this amount of time for you to gumption up the courage to confront things publicly and put the world on notice that you actually endured these experiences.
- [30:16]
Mark Stevens
He had the professional control.
- [30:18]
Cardell Brooks
Is it courage or. I'm willing to accept this because I want to be a part of this lifestyle. See, that's my.
- [30:26]
Mark Stevens
It can't be that, because she sure can't. Your argument is it took her so long to leave, but like anything else, it's a psychosis. She was battered.
- [30:37]
Gary Stevens
But let me just say that. Let me jump in on this. Here's my take on it. It's a sad situation because we calling giving names like savages and stuff like that, but we negating the fact that they both was drug addicts. So when you. Hold on, go for it. When you under the influence on as much drugs, they report and they were doing your actions is really not in control that you. That we are sitting here civilized.
- [31:05]
Stephen A. Smith
Well, we can say that, but the courts clearly don't feel that way because you got the prosecution. That's. That's saying we know about some of the drug use and all of this other stuff, but it still doesn't absolve you from sex trafficking. It still doesn't absolve you from racketeering. And a federal courtroom is willing to entertain the prosecution's defense to decide whether or not you will deserve to be in jail for the rest of your natural life. So clearly, drug use ain't an excuse.
- [31:30]
Gary Stevens
But here's the issue, though. We not talking about domestic violence and drugs use. We talk about a RICO charge, stuff like that.
- [31:38]
Stephen A. Smith
Wait a minute. No, no, no, no, no. Let me correct. Let me correct you.
- [31:40]
Gary Stevens
Sure.
- [31:41]
Stephen A. Smith
Let me correct you. The prosecution is talking about sex trafficking.
- [31:47]
Gary Stevens
Correct.
- [31:47]
Stephen A. Smith
And racketeering.
- [31:48]
Gary Stevens
Correct.
- [31:49]
Stephen A. Smith
The defense is talking about domestic violence.
- [31:51]
Cardell Brooks
Correct.
- [31:51]
Stephen A. Smith
Because the offense knows that this is a federal case involving sex trafficking and racketeering and that domestic violence, which is a state crime, doesn't equate to the federal crimes that he's being charged with. So they're willing to acknowledge and admit how guilty they are of domestic violence. But the prosecution is saying we want to use the domestic violence to illustrate how despicable this dude is. So you will see that he deserves to be in jail when we make our case for sex trafficking and racketeering.
- [32:17]
Gary Stevens
Yeah, but, but we just. What we. What I'm addressing with the drugs is how we saying the savage piece and this, that and the other that's just conduct. That's conduct that he was assassinated. Drugs contribute to, though.
- [32:32]
Cardell Brooks
Yeah.
- [32:32]
Gary Stevens
But because. Let me ask you all this.
- [32:34]
Cardell Brooks
Go ahead.
- [32:34]
Gary Stevens
Prior to all of this, Puffy, as the entrepreneur and the cultural influence he was, how we go from such a high standard to such a low standard?
- [32:49]
Stephen A. Smith
Because we didn't know all the details.
- [32:50]
Mark Stevens
We didn't know all the details.
- [32:52]
Gary Stevens
But I'mma bring this up now. Now, we all been a part of that industry. How we know that success and fame and what that does. And to your point of what she.
- [33:01]
Stephen A. Smith
Wanted to be, we've seen a lot of spank. We've been around for a long time. We've seen a lot of cases involving, you know, fame and sex and stuff like that. We saw what happened with R. Kelly. We saw what's coming. What. What's being divulged about Diddy. That ain't everybody, bro. That ain't most people. Most people ain't doing this. You're not hearing that.
- [33:19]
Cardell Brooks
Go ahead. Go ahead and I'll do you one better. I do one even better. Let's take Stephen A for an example. This is a guy who me and grew up the same way, same opportunities, things like that. The world. To the world, he's Stephen A. To me, he's just Steve. So, yeah, if I saw him conducting himself in a way that I know that is not who we are as people, no way in the world I'm going to condone that. Now, getting back to your point real quick, you said with this whole thing is spilling from the drugs and all that stuff, right?
- [33:52]
Gary Stevens
Fame, industry, all of that. Yep.
- [33:54]
Cardell Brooks
One. Name one Cassidy song that made her famous. Name one. If you can name one, we good. But at the end of the day, if you're gonna give her a pass because of drugs, you gotta do the same for him. And that ain't gonna happen.
- [34:06]
Gary Stevens
No, I'm saying the contribution of it. Or it's a big perfect storm is what I'm saying.
- [34:11]
Mark Stevens
And what you're trying to say is they both victims of success. And me personally, I just believe that the germ led to a virus that led to a disease. It got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.
- [34:29]
Stephen A. Smith
Correct.
- [34:30]
Mark Stevens
And now is at the point that the world is seeing it.
- [34:33]
Gary Stevens
Correct.
- [34:33]
Mark Stevens
If if you got a. If, if, if. If I got a problem and only me and you know about it, we can work it out.
- [34:43]
Gary Stevens
Correct.
- [34:45]
Mark Stevens
The minute it start growing bigger and bigger and everyone else knows and other people have to step in, it's a real problem.
- [34:53]
Gary Stevens
And to your point, what about the.
- [34:55]
Stephen A. Smith
World we're living in today? Everybody got a podcast, everybody got think they got a voice. Everybody want to be in front of the camera because now, shoot, you can make 7,000, 500,000 a year. Your regular job, you go on YouTube and you get the, you get the right amount of audience, you, you can make much more than that. And you could work in your own hours, your own time, the whole bit. You might not even have to leave the house, for crying out loud. And because of that, the world has changed. But it seems like it's one thing where so many people were chasing popularity, was chasing fame. But I don't think there's ever been a time in life where it has been perceived as being more obtainable than it is now because of the outlets available to everybody out there. What do you think of that? What do you think of that?
- [35:38]
Cardell Brooks
Me personally, I think social media and these podcasts, to me this is just like a child who's found his parents loaded gun in the house and just waving it around. Social media is no one's friend. It's no one's friend. And it's very dangerous if you don't know how to deal with it. And the world is seeing that everybody really can't deal with it. Everybody really don't know how to handle it.
- [36:07]
Stephen A. Smith
What do you think the temptation is today? Like for example, if you wanted a fellas. Let me explain. If you wanted a fellas. All right, women, that was always the case. That was always a temptation. Money, that was always a temptation, you understand? Fame, prestige, and those are the elements that come with it, along with perks, et cetera, et cetera. All of those things come with it. Why is it that you think people appear so ill equipped to handle it today then in years past, or was it just as bad years ago and it's just getting exposed now? Go ahead, Spank, I'll get at you.
- [36:40]
Gary Stevens
First, let me say this, I say this to people when I have in this discussion. Human behavior never changes. It's how it's displayed that illuminates that behavior. Social media is just illuminating people who they are. So if you that insecure person without the social media, you're gonna be that insecure person on social media. So human behavior never changes. Like I tell you, like the first post, we all we going way back now. The first post public post about somebody was in the bathroom stall. Such and such is a.
- [37:23]
Stephen A. Smith
It's kind of true.
- [37:24]
Cardell Brooks
Yeah, you don't wear two too far back.
- [37:31]
Gary Stevens
But now that post is on Instagram, Twitter, that same post is on there. And you have people arguing and fighting. We seen that. How many times we wait outside school waiting for a fight to happen.
- [37:42]
Stephen A. Smith
Mark, what about you? What you think because you around a lie, we ain't going to tell your business in terms of, you know, you, you working with celebrities, parties, all of this stuff, you've been on the scene for a long time. You know this stuff backwards and forward. What's it all about to.
- [37:54]
Mark Stevens
You have to have great gatekeepers.
- [37:57]
Gary Stevens
Yeah, 100%.
- [37:58]
Mark Stevens
You know, you mentioned Uncle Jerome and Uncle Mike. If it wasn't for those two as gatekeepers to implement and take you through that rites of passage. You know, most of these young kids, they young and they haven't went through the rites of passage, of going through trials and how to deal with conflict. And when you start implementing money and prestige and fame, it's a lot for someone to handle. Hell, it's a lot for grown men to handle. So when you talk about somebody at the age of, you know, 21, 22, 23, a young female at 21, 22, 23, and she's getting a whole bunch of likes or thumbs up on her phone, you know, she might start walking around with attitude. The guys walk around with attitude because they believe in their mind, people know them. And irregardless, if we look at it as insignificant people, right? And their character, they believe that their popularity is growing.
- [39:08]
Stephen A. Smith
I'm almost scared to ask y' all this. This. I'm going to go to Cardell first on this, but somebody dared me to ask y' all this. How would you compare me to the, to the typical well known figure out there? For better or worse, I am well known. We on this show. What would it be about? As my man has known me for a half century. Oh. Oh, damn. I knew.
- [39:43]
Cardell Brooks
No, you know what? Ask me the question because I'm gonna make sure I'm getting this because. Yeah, you go ahead.
- [39:49]
Stephen A. Smith
How would you look at me comparing me to a typical public figure that you just talked about? How am I different, if at all, from the folks that you see out there?
- [40:07]
Cardell Brooks
I'm a firm believer in this. Stephen A is a brand. That's what you. That's what you are.
- [40:16]
Stephen A. Smith
Just.
- [40:17]
Cardell Brooks
You got, you got. You got so many things going on.
- [40:19]
Stephen A. Smith
You, my boy Rashawn would be very proud to hear that from you.
- [40:22]
Cardell Brooks
You are a brand, right? And with that brand, you cannot maintain this brand, this Stephen, a monster by yourself. You cannot. So you need to have a team around you that is also Protecting that brand. So anyone that is around, you need to understand their job. We all got jobs to do. When we get around you, you get these people that are yes men.
- [40:53]
Stephen A. Smith
I don't have those. I don't exactly.
- [40:55]
Cardell Brooks
Wait, hang on. Puffy walking around, doing what he's doing. He's got too many yes men around him. Spank is not a yes man. If Spank see you doing something wrong, like, yeah, dude, that ain't gonna work for me. Mark me. Like you said, me and Mark argue all the time, and I'm nowhere near in your stratosphere. But at the end of the day, if you doing something wrong, yo, dude, you wrong. And I'm gonna tell you why you wrong. At the end of the day, you have me, someone who knows you. Yeah, dude, that's not who we are. So when you. If I see you doing something and I'm like, yeah, no, dude, that's not gonna work. Yeah, I'm gonna pull your coattail on it, because I have to protect that brand.
- [41:32]
Stephen A. Smith
Just so I have to tell the audience, I have to tell you about something. So I'm in the news over the last few weeks because, you know, president. Presidential candidate. Right?
- [41:41]
Cardell Brooks
Of course.
- [41:42]
Stephen A. Smith
And my brother here. You understand what I'm saying? Hard working, brother, you know? You know, working, grinding every day and night. You know, used to work in the hotels, now work in the trucking business. All of this other stuff, right? Cardell, I'm telling you, you gotta go local first. You can't go for the presidency. You gotta go local first. And I said, yo, I ain't going local. Please. You was like, shut the up. Listen to me. Let me guide you.
- [42:09]
Mark Stevens
Yeah.
- [42:09]
Stephen A. Smith
You understand? And I was like, you work in the trucking industry, man. It's not politics. But you telling me to let you guide me. Okay, that's what you were saying. I want the world to know who I'm dealing with when I'm talking about one of my boys.
- [42:22]
Cardell Brooks
I'm very passionate about how I feel. And like I said, when this whole thing came up with you in politics, I'm like, yeah, I don't.
- [42:29]
Stephen A. Smith
You were very nervous. You were very nervous.
- [42:31]
Cardell Brooks
I am. Cause I don't want none of these politicians to put you in a position where the brand is not protected. My job is to protect the brand. So now, with that being said, who.
- [42:39]
Stephen A. Smith
Told you that was your job? I mean, I'm paying you for it.
- [42:43]
Cardell Brooks
Whoa.
- [42:43]
Stephen A. Smith
Who told you that was your job? I love you for it, but how's that your job?
- [42:47]
Cardell Brooks
Who told me that's my job. Let me tell. Because I've been doing it before. The Stephen A. Was a brand. I've been protecting you that long. So at the end of the day, with all this extra going on with the brand, the Stephen A.
- [43:00]
Stephen A. Smith
Brand, did you protect me when we were going to the club every weekend and we were doing what, you know.
- [43:05]
Cardell Brooks
We don't live in our life before.
- [43:07]
Stephen A. Smith
Before, you know, we calmed down. Were you protecting me there?
- [43:09]
Cardell Brooks
Yes, I was. Yes, I was.
- [43:10]
Stephen A. Smith
How were you protecting me then?
- [43:11]
Cardell Brooks
Because at the end of the day.
- [43:13]
Stephen A. Smith
Day.
- [43:13]
Cardell Brooks
At the end of the day, what. All the nonsense we were doing before the Stephen A.
- [43:18]
Stephen A. Smith
Brand.
- [43:19]
Cardell Brooks
Yeah, it was a lot of women in a lot of trouble that brought a lot of unnecessary other men. So I'm like, yeah, he's not here by himself. He's not here by himself. So, yeah, you're not gonna just approach him. So if you're approaching him, you're approaching me, you're approaching Bobby, you're approaching everybody.
- [43:38]
Stephen A. Smith
The whole crew.
- [43:39]
Cardell Brooks
The whole crew. So, yeah, you can't just walk up and approach him. That's not going to happen.
- [43:43]
Stephen A. Smith
That was his answer to the question. Long winded answer. What about you, Spank?
- [43:48]
Gary Stevens
I can't really speak in reference you to other celebrities, but I could say that me knowing you, forever, you ain't changed. And like I tell everybody, you, you know, your success did us a favor. You know, before you was yelling at five, ten of us. Now you arguing every day, every day for 5, 10 million people. Now, I can have a civilized conversation with your. I can sit here, you know, you called me before. Yo, I ain't hear from you.
- [44:18]
Stephen A. Smith
Where you been?
- [44:18]
Gary Stevens
What's going on now? When he called, what up, dog? How you doing, man? Cause he's tired of arguing and shit, you know what I mean? So from that standpoint, all the time, listen, I tell a story, right? I came into Winston Salem State, I was the freshman, he was the upperclassman, right? And you know, you filling out the team and, you know, people telling you who this, that's pretty much under the bench. But what I would do is I.
- [44:48]
Stephen A. Smith
It's true.
- [44:50]
Gary Stevens
So when I'm playing with them and they telling me, hey, Steve is the shooter. So I'm like, all right, I'm gonna get the ball to the shooter. This mother went 0 for 19. And then when I pass him on the 20th, he makes it and he.
- [45:06]
Stephen A. Smith
Start yelling, throw me the goddamn ball.
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- [45:12]
Stephen A. Smith
I get one for 20, dog. Actually, actually, actually, to be accurate, I was zero for 12. I was old for 12, not 19. But he's right. That's exactly what I said. I hit my 13th shot.
- [45:26]
Cardell Brooks
It took him 13,000 yacht now to react very high.
- [45:29]
Gary Stevens
But he does that today.
- [45:30]
Stephen A. Smith
That's right.
- [45:31]
Gary Stevens
You know what I mean? He does that same thing today.
- [45:34]
Stephen A. Smith
Mark, you deal with a lot of celebrities. How's it different? Especially looking at me. The audience wants to know. I think I'm mild manner. I think I'm a pretty well man. I do.
- [45:45]
Mark Stevens
One of the things that. And I told you I don't like is you don't publicize the great deeds that you do behind the scenes.
- [45:56]
Gary Stevens
That's a fact.
- [45:57]
Cardell Brooks
That's a fact.
- [45:58]
Mark Stevens
And I know why you don't. I mean, we have argued about it, you know, is, you know, what you do is limited by why you're doing it. My motive is not to get pressed in this. My motive is to help people. That's a fact. But I personally believe certain things do need to be documented because it's encouraging to younger journalists to see the path that it takes, not just behind the desk and talking on the mic, but also just touching the common man and helping. So that's one of my problems. I always had with you, and I told you that before when we was in New Orleans and, you know, me and you and Shaq and we was feeding the homeless, you know, you didn't want to do interviews, you know, because you felt that this wasn't the time and the place for it. But I just feel that in and of itself is who Stephen A. Smith is.
- [46:57]
Gary Stevens
And let me piggyback on that. That's a great point. Because I say the same thing to him. Because it needs to be balanced out.
- [47:06]
Mark Stevens
Correct.
- [47:06]
Gary Stevens
Because, you know, we always get the calls about him.
- [47:08]
Mark Stevens
Correct.
- [47:09]
Gary Stevens
Oh, he's obnoxious, he's loud, he.
- [47:11]
Stephen A. Smith
This. I was gonna say, what do they say?
- [47:12]
Gary Stevens
You know, and it's the same shit, you know, but the stuff he does, people don't know about it.
- [47:19]
Mark Stevens
Correct.
- [47:20]
Gary Stevens
So when you hearing people say, oh, he's a sellout, he ain't for us.
- [47:24]
Stephen A. Smith
Right.
- [47:24]
Gary Stevens
They don't see that other side. But we can't argue with everybody on those phone calls about what he's doing behind the scenes.
- [47:33]
Mark Stevens
Correct.
- [47:33]
Gary Stevens
You know, because a lot of stuff that he's reporting and talking about players, they're thinking it's a personal attack. But behind the scenes, this dude is helping a lot of players, man. A lot of people.
- [47:45]
Mark Stevens
I mean, he helped me. And the irony of it is, you know, I know Several players that you done helped behind the scene to get to a certain point. And you never bring it up, right? You never throw it out there. And some of it he can't, but.
- [48:06]
Gary Stevens
Some of it he can't.
- [48:07]
Mark Stevens
Some of it you can't, and some of it you won't because you did it to help them, not to help them. And then talk about, I help you, and that's honorable. But in some cases, I call you and, you know, I be like, yo, man, won't you blast?
- [48:26]
Cardell Brooks
Yeah, you do. Won't you go on blast?
- [48:29]
Mark Stevens
And you're like, nah, dawg, I ain't gonna do that.
- [48:32]
Gary Stevens
I go deeper on a personal level. So y' all know my story. I lost my wife for 30 years. I lost my entire family. So I went from a house full of life to being the only life in the house. So Steve would call me and be like, hey, I'm checking on you. Anything I can do? I said, man, we good. Just as long as, you know, I live alone, but I'm never lonely when you hitting me, this dude will call me, hey, meet me at the airport. We going to Vegas. Yo, meet me at the airport. We going to Colorado for Deion Sanders first home game. This is the stuff he does, but he will never talk about it. But I agree with you. He needs to talk about it more because it balances out. Balances him out because he gets too much of the dominant, you know. Oh, he's nothing. He's, you know, he's just arrogant. He's loud mouth and all of that. Balance it out.
- [49:23]
Stephen A. Smith
But should we. Going beyond me. Should we. Shouldn't we have alligator skin? Shouldn't we be. And look at how we go at each other. We argue all the time. Me and Cardell argue every day. Everybody go, man, how y' all argue like that? Like this? That's my man. I've never known him to be any other way. That's Cardell. Me and spank. That damn laugh make me want to throw him out my damn house. You understand what I'm saying? But damn it, that's my man, you know, you, too.
- [49:49]
Mark Stevens
But that's the teachable moment right there. Because most young kids don't understand you have to have tough skin.
- [49:56]
Gary Stevens
Yeah.
- [49:57]
Mark Stevens
If you really want to be successful in this world, you have to be able to take a lot. And unfortunately, that's the part that's missing in the classroom, you know, or at home. Or at home.
- [50:15]
Cardell Brooks
I blame social media for that, because at the end of the day, social media is a wonderful Outlet and a wonderful tool, but it takes no discipline to obtain it. Anybody could get a mic and have a podcast. There's no discipline to it. You have to climb. You have to understand what's going on and what type of attention you're bringing to yourself. When you do get on social media, this is why you got so many people divorced and single and everybody on social media is single. Why is everybody single?
- [50:45]
Gary Stevens
It's been like that because.
- [50:46]
Cardell Brooks
No, it ain't been like that. It's getting worse because at the end of the day, there's so many options. It's so many options, everybody.
- [50:54]
Stephen A. Smith
And you caught up in thinking there's a better option out there all the time instead of looking at grass, being green at home.
- [50:59]
Gary Stevens
Exactly. But it comes back to, we talk about friendship and stuff and being hard and tough skinned. I always say it's about balance, man. You gotta have that tough skin and you gotta have that other side as well. You know what I mean? It's balance. We not good friends. If we don't argue, it's easy to be friends and say, that's my boy.
- [51:17]
Stephen A. Smith
But when it get hard, you all agree. Yeah, when we all.
- [51:20]
Gary Stevens
When you disagree, that tells you your real friendship.
- [51:22]
Cardell Brooks
But that does not come easy.
- [51:25]
Gary Stevens
Nothing comes easy.
- [51:26]
Stephen A. Smith
Nothing.
- [51:26]
Cardell Brooks
At the end of the day, me and Steve gonna argue. That's we gonna do that. We gonna do that because you crazy day. Nobody else by not arguing. Nobody.
- [51:39]
Stephen A. Smith
That's a fact.
- [51:40]
Cardell Brooks
I can do.
- [51:40]
Gary Stevens
That's a fact.
- [51:41]
Stephen A. Smith
You can.
- [51:41]
Cardell Brooks
And that's something that we have developed. That's something. The first time I met Mark, I was like, man, I ain't never letting this dude out of my life because, yeah, the crazy thing is he looked at me like I had two heads and I'm looking at him. The first time I hung out with Mark, Mark had a gentleman's club. And I'm thinking this.
- [52:00]
Stephen A. Smith
You mean when you were at the strip club and you had a honey? It was a gentleman's club. You had a honey on one lap and you had chicken wigs in your hand because that was the BBW club. You mean that?
- [52:12]
Mark Stevens
Yeah.
- [52:12]
Stephen A. Smith
Gentlemen club, my ass.
- [52:15]
Gary Stevens
That was their club.
- [52:16]
Stephen A. Smith
The bbw. Got some bills to pay. When we come back before. Before I do this last segment with them, before I do this last segment with them. When we come back from the break, I'm gonna give y' all something to think about right now. Bring up. When we come back from the break, what story were y' all dying to come on this show and talk about what you saw what you saw. Just think about that for a second and have an answer for me when I get back. It's the Stephen A. Smith show with my boys. Crew in the house. Back with more in a minute.
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Stephen A. Smith
Welcome back to Stephen A. Smith show in the house Free Flowing Friday with my boys, Mark Stevens, Spank, aka Gary Stevens, and my man Cardell. 52 years we've been boys. Me and this brother Spank go back over 35 now.
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Gary Stevens
Yes.
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Stephen A. Smith
And my man Mark is about, about 30. About 30. So we, we, we good with that. Let me ask y' all this question. Y' all saw a lot of stuff percolating in the news over the last last few weeks and y' all been wanting to come on my show for a while, especially you, Mark, with Cardell, because how much y' all argue over relationships and all of that other stuff. What's the one thing that y' all wanted y' all were dying to talk about on this show?
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Mark Stevens
You and LeBron.
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Stephen A. Smith
Oh, what do you want to talk about, man?
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Mark Stevens
So the irony of it is me and Cadell, we was talking early and he was like, I believe Michael Jordan is the greatest And I said of his error. I said, he even said it in a 2009 interview. He said he never played against the Wilt Chamberlains or Oscar Robinson. So he can't, you know, he can't say he's the goat of all time. He can say he's the goat of his era. And I told him, I said, I think that LeBron is the goat, undoubtedly of his era. And he said that comes with some debate. And I said, what you mean that comes with some debate? Like it's not even close. I said, stephen A. Even said he believes he's the second. I said, I believe he's the best of this era. And he says, well, I believe it can be an argument with kd. No, no, I'm just telling you what he said.
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Stephen A. Smith
I think KD is one of the greatest scorers in the history of basketball, but his resume does not compare to LeBron James. It's just a fact.
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Mark Stevens
I agree.
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Stephen A. Smith
Just a fact. And when it comes to the goat, look, I don't have any problem before I pass it to you, Cardell. I don't have any problem with a dude not wanting to compare himself to people who came before him, but I don't have any problem with a dude who wants to compare himself to those who followed him. Because there was a path that was set and that road to prosperity, that road that you had to travel, you're entitled to take that into consideration when you play the role in paving the road that may be deemed a bit easier than what you had to go through for successes who followed. And when you do that and you still don't equate to what your predecessor did, then you don't get to usurp them. If I've been in the league for 13 years and I got six chips and you had four in year 22, you don't get to get to get to have goat status over me when I'm a 10 time scoring champion and you did it once, you don't get to have that over me when I'm sitting around and I'm a nine time all defensive player. Okay? And you at least four to five years short, you don't get to usurp me, not when I'm the successor and I paid the role. I can't speak to what came before me. So. Because that's a role. But what followed was a road that I helped pay for you. And when you don't eclipse what I've done, you don't get goat status.
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Mark Stevens
Let me play devil advocate.
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Stephen A. Smith
Go Ahead.
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Mark Stevens
Because I have this argument in barbershops all the time.
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Stephen A. Smith
Right.
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Mark Stevens
It was a time. It was no dribbling the basketball.
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Cardell Brooks
Okay.
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Mark Stevens
All you could do was pass and.
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Stephen A. Smith
Shoot, which is the predecessor. This is.
- [58:10]
Mark Stevens
Everything had to evolve.
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Stephen A. Smith
I agree.
- [58:12]
Gary Stevens
Right.
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Stephen A. Smith
That's why I said not the pass.
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Mark Stevens
The mindset of the game had to evolve. Was a time friends didn't play together, they wasn't cozy with one another. Right. The game, the culture of the game has evolved. What I'm saying is what we see LeBron doing at 40, he has evolved the game.
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Stephen A. Smith
That I believe he's the goat of longevity.
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Gary Stevens
Yeah.
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Stephen A. Smith
Not production.
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Gary Stevens
Right?
- [58:41]
Stephen A. Smith
Not production. Next up argument. You just lost. Just give it.
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Cardell Brooks
Yeah, Right.
- [58:46]
Stephen A. Smith
Right there.
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Gary Stevens
Well, let me say, you know, recently, you know, I've always said it was Jordan, whatever, but I had to think about something. I saw Carmelo Anthony said something in a clip. Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
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Cardell Brooks
Yeah.
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Stephen A. Smith
19 time all star. Not only that, six time league MVP.
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Gary Stevens
We talk about longevity, right? This dude only lost two games from high school until he got to the NBA.
- [59:10]
Stephen A. Smith
That's right. Two games.
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Gary Stevens
And then think about.
- [59:13]
Stephen A. Smith
But he won seven, two.
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Gary Stevens
Yeah, but listen.
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Stephen A. Smith
And you didn't have people that size going up against you.
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Gary Stevens
That's true. But you had, you had Wilt and Bill Russell and them guys. To Mark's point. It evolved. Kareem evolved it. But let's talk about his productivity and efficiency. He never dribbled that ball up the court.
- [59:30]
Stephen A. Smith
Right.
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Gary Stevens
Like any of these other guys.
- [59:32]
Stephen A. Smith
That's right.
- [59:33]
Gary Stevens
Guys had to get him the ball.
- [59:34]
Stephen A. Smith
That's true.
- [59:35]
Gary Stevens
And he did. I think he had one three pointer.
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Stephen A. Smith
His entire career, which is why we say.
- [59:39]
Gary Stevens
And he had the longevity, the long term score, all time score.
- [59:45]
Stephen A. Smith
Carlo don't even need to get involved. Let me transition. What story did you want to tell? Did you want to come up? Is there a story that's been out there over the last few weeks that you wanted to touch on, on the show?
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Gary Stevens
Yeah. Your political career. Because let me tell you why. Tell you why. Because you and I talk and I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, oh, man, no desire for this. And then all of a sudden, the text is filled with articles of, look at this, look at that. And then one time he said, oh, I changed my mind. I said, this is not real. Right. This is fake news.
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Cardell Brooks
No.
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Gary Stevens
I'm entitled to change my mind.
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Mark Stevens
I think you make a good candidate.
- [60:34]
Cardell Brooks
No, no, no, no, no. I'm not gonna close the door. I'm gonna leave the door Open.
- [60:40]
Stephen A. Smith
That's.
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Cardell Brooks
That's what you're supposed to say, I'm.
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Stephen A. Smith
Gonna leave the door open.
- [60:42]
Cardell Brooks
Dude, it's a draft. What you gonna do? You gonna leave it open up?
- [60:46]
Stephen A. Smith
Here's the fell. First of all. First of all, y' all should know me better than trying to tell me what the hell to do. You know, I ain't gonna listen to that. You know, I'm gonna do what I wanna do. That's number one. Number two, what's the urgency? I ain't gotta make a decision before 2027. I got time. Number three, I just signed my contract. You know what I'm saying? I mean. I mean, if I were to announce my candidacy for the presidency of the United States of America, I would have to basically surrender the rest of my contract to walk away from this money that I worked very, very hard over the years to earn. I'd have to walk away from all of that to run for the presidency. All I'm saying is, I can't imagine I would do that. But my pastor, elected officials, fans in the streets, friends, people like that have said, yo, leave the door open. Because here's what I know I do want to do. I love talking politics and social commentary. The Joe Rogans of the world, the people like that, that I'm qualified for. And I love to do that. So at the very least, I'd be in the mix discussing these matters with elected officials and potential elected officials, and it all vibes with one another. But if the world was in a very, very bad state and I had to look at the landscape and I felt that I could take them, I would consider it. And I do. I will say this to you in all seriousness. And I still don't have that interest like that, because I like my. I like my money. Yeah. But I don't think that I'm talking on the national, not talking about governors like Superior in Pennsylvania, Westmore, Maryland, people like that. But I think outside of those two, there ain't a Democrat out there I can't beat. I really believe that. I really believe that.
- [62:43]
Mark Stevens
And the traditionalists, I think what Trump has done, the traditional. The traditional way is, yeah, it has to be broken.
- [62:51]
Stephen A. Smith
It's over.
- [62:51]
Mark Stevens
It has to be broken for the Democratic Party.
- [62:54]
Cardell Brooks
We was just talking about this in the airport. I said, right now you've got. Trump just got there. You got four years. They're going to take two of these years right now to figure out what's going to happen with the political party. That's what they going to do. You just signed your contract, no problem. Which means two years, they're going to figure it out, and then two years later, they got to prep somebody. Dude, you fighting it?
- [63:23]
Stephen A. Smith
I'm fighting what? You telling me to run?
- [63:27]
Mark Stevens
Listen, what are you saying?
- [63:28]
Stephen A. Smith
What are you saying? I don't understand what you're saying.
- [63:31]
Gary Stevens
I told you on the phone.
- [63:32]
Cardell Brooks
What I'm telling you is this. What I'm telling you is this. If the world can elect someone who did not have a political background, like Donald Trump, the world also elected. Who?
- [63:46]
Stephen A. Smith
What, you mean Ronald Reagan?
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Cardell Brooks
Who had no political.
- [63:49]
Stephen A. Smith
Well, he was a governor of California, but he was an actor.
- [63:52]
Cardell Brooks
He was an actor. That's what he was known for. Nobody knew him as a governor. At the end of the day, the world is changing. Like you said, everything has to evolve.
- [63:59]
Stephen A. Smith
So you say you think I could win?
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Cardell Brooks
I'm telling you right now, if you took it serious. If you took it serious and a political party actually took it serious and backed you see, I don't think the.
- [64:14]
Stephen A. Smith
Democratic Party would ever back me. That's the issue. But if straight up, it was about appealing to the fans out there, could I beat them? Yes, I could.
- [64:22]
Cardell Brooks
You just.
- [64:23]
Stephen A. Smith
I most certainly believe I could.
- [64:24]
Cardell Brooks
You got an endorsement. You got an endorsement from the president himself.
- [64:29]
Stephen A. Smith
I mean, I don't know if that's good news or bad news.
- [64:31]
Gary Stevens
You tell me on the phone.
- [64:33]
Cardell Brooks
Your name is out there and you were endorsed.
- [64:35]
Gary Stevens
If he's your political consultant, you're gonna be the mayor of Ron Conqueror.
- [64:40]
Stephen A. Smith
Let me ask you this question.
- [64:41]
Cardell Brooks
Let me ask you a political career.
- [64:43]
Stephen A. Smith
I'm gonna have one. I'm gonna go down the line with y' all. How do you feel about Donald Trump? Mark Stevens? Money Mark, how you feel about Donald Trump?
- [64:52]
Mark Stevens
He's an anomaly. He dances to his own beat. He's not a traditionalist. I do believe that the Democratic Party, unfortunately, they had no bullpen. And that's why it's talks of Stephen A. Smith, because the Democratic Party, we have a bad bullpen. When it comes down to the Democratic Party, I believe it's still a little too early. I looked at the economy. The economy is growing along with unemployment being down. But we have to wait and see what happens with all these tariffs over the next. So I think a good evaluation would be in the midterm two years.
- [65:46]
Stephen A. Smith
What about you, Spank?
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Gary Stevens
Trump is different. You know, I give him respect for, you know, going into a space that he had no career in, no background in, and able to get to the highest position. But the Problem with that is that he's tooting at his own horn and he's pushing his own agenda. I'm a little afraid that, you know, it's the people, the average people, that's going to suffer big time.
- [66:14]
Stephen A. Smith
What about you, cut up?
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Cardell Brooks
I think Trump has gotten into office and he's shaking things up and everybody's a little scared because of things being shaken up. People are afraid of change and new things. Do I think he's the best thing since slicebreak?
- [66:33]
Stephen A. Smith
No. How do y' all feel? All of us up here, brothers, black men, none of us are quote, unquote, registered Republicans or anything like that, but in the same breath, we ain't up here calling them racist. We ain't up here calling black folks who support him sellouts and stuff. We don't engage in that kind of rhetoric. We've always been that way. People don't believe me when I say that, but we've always been that way. How do you feel about a whole bunch of people out there who buy the lines from the Democrats, hook, line and sinker? In terms of, yo, this is what he is. He's despicable, he's racist, he's this, he's that. I don't get caught up in that. I'm not about the person, I'm about the policy. A matter of fact, I think the only reason I voted against him was because I don't like the way he does things. And then I said to myself, damn, I'm tired of being a victim to a person or their personality, determining whether I vote for them or not. I really, really need to look at policies and what works for us and what doesn't. How do y' all feel about us as a community?
- [67:38]
Mark Stevens
I can always talk about my experience. I have met him before and it was a, it was, it was a pleasant introduction. Nothing made me feel uncomfortable. I do believe that it is a, I call it a mass psychology on both sides to make you want to pick one or the other. And if you don't pick one, then that means you're totally against the other. And if you point out something right that someone has done, then they bring up a whole bunch of other things that the person has done wrong. It's just mass psychology on both sides.
- [68:22]
Stephen A. Smith
Cut up.
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Cardell Brooks
I think I was grown, I grew up believing that whoever was a Democrat, that's who you voted for, until I got old enough to start using my own mind. And I don't think the Democratic Party is always has poor people or middle class people in the best interest, I think you should vote for whatever your issues are and whoever's gonna take care of those issues for you.
- [68:53]
Gary Stevens
I'll address it this way. When you say, like black men, I don't get too caught up in the political spectrum because America's been America forever. You know, we always had the same plight and fights forever, whether it was a Democrat or a Republican play. We just gotta do better as far as, you know, figuring out how we can, you know, thrive in this. This atmosphere as black men, you know what I mean?
- [69:22]
Stephen A. Smith
Before I let y' all get on outta here, gave y' all a whole hour we rapping or hanging with one another. My boys, y' all are welcome back. Y' all didn't do bad. You know what I'm saying? I gotta admit it. Y' all didn't do bad. So y' all are welcome back. But let me ask you this question before I let y' all get out on outta here. What is it that you would like me to address in the future when you think about this show and the kind of topics you want me touching on as I talk to the American people? Because I'm all about the American people. Okay. What is it that you want me to make sure that I touch on or you want me to make sure I avoid?
- [69:57]
Cardell Brooks
And you don't think that's a politician right there? That's what you're telling me?
- [69:59]
Stephen A. Smith
That's what I'm asking. I'm just asking. Cardell, I'll start with you and come down the line, what do I want you to touch on and what do you want me to avoid? We gonna end the show on that.
- [70:10]
Cardell Brooks
To be totally honest with you, I don't want you to avoid anything.
- [70:13]
Stephen A. Smith
Good.
- [70:14]
Cardell Brooks
I think you should touch on anything and everything that affects people. One of the things we were talking about, Trump, real quick. One of the things that I respect about. He's fearless. And that's one thing I like about you. You're fearless. There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to touch on anything, period.
- [70:35]
Gary Stevens
So I. I agree. Keep doing what you're doing, being who you are. If anything I ask, you know. You know, I always say this, like, you gotta loosen up sometimes, man. You gotta dress up every goddamn time, man. Put on some sweat like, you know.
- [70:49]
Stephen A. Smith
Espn, sometimes I have it, you know, Sometimes I'm on national television, my brother.
- [70:53]
Gary Stevens
Yeah, I understand, but this is your platform.
- [70:55]
Stephen A. Smith
That's true. I'll be wanting to be changing wardrobe for the podcast.
- [70:59]
Gary Stevens
You got teams, man. You get you get you a stylist or somebody, man.
- [71:03]
Mark Stevens
Get you a stylist.
- [71:05]
Stephen A. Smith
A stylist. Stylist. Really? That's what we doing?
- [71:08]
Gary Stevens
Well, we got the ones with these pastel colors you get. Man, I don't know about that one.
- [71:12]
Stephen A. Smith
I know you're not hating on my wardrobe, man. My wardrobe's pretty fly.
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Cardell Brooks
The.
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Gary Stevens
The. The seasonal ones. Yeah, some of them. Majority.
- [71:19]
Stephen A. Smith
Yeah.
- [71:19]
Gary Stevens
But sometime, one time, we turned in the NBA Countdown. You look like the Easter Bunny. We was getting on you in that chat.
- [71:26]
Stephen A. Smith
Y' all were getting on me, But I. I didn't believe you. I didn't believe you. And I got a suit that's gonna make me look like Dick Tracy. But I'm telling you, it's gonna work. It's gonna work. You watch. Go ahead, Mark. Go ahead, Mark. Go ahead, Mark.
- [71:40]
Mark Stevens
I think you don't need to stay away from anything. That's right. Anything that's a public display of ignorance or laughter. It's helpful to laugh at certain things.
- [71:54]
Gary Stevens
That's right.
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Mark Stevens
So I don't think you need to stay away from.
- [71:57]
Stephen A. Smith
These folks here be stopping me from getting at people because I be wanting to get to people's asses when they sit up there and they try to insult me or they come at me and they stop me. Y' all don't. But I wonder if y' all would if I. If. If I went at people.
- [72:10]
Gary Stevens
Nah, I don't like that.
- [72:12]
Stephen A. Smith
You don't like that.
- [72:13]
Cardell Brooks
I don't like.
- [72:13]
Stephen A. Smith
You don't like me clapping back at nobody.
- [72:16]
Gary Stevens
Sometimes you step in below. I got caught up in the middle of your crossfire. One of your things.
- [72:20]
Cardell Brooks
Okay. I got caught up in the middle.
- [72:22]
Stephen A. Smith
He was wrong. He was heated out. His facts.
- [72:24]
Gary Stevens
I got that.
- [72:25]
Stephen A. Smith
Right, right.
- [72:26]
Gary Stevens
I got that. But you notice me and Monte was on that phone with you to the end.
- [72:32]
Stephen A. Smith
That's right.
- [72:32]
Gary Stevens
Don't do it. It's not worth it. Don't do it. Don't do it. You know when you get to a certain point, so you know this, bro, right. Sometimes you got to let the people talk.
- [72:42]
Stephen A. Smith
By the way, you didn't tell me that about LeBron, though. We didn't do that about.
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Gary Stevens
Well, I didn't know about the LeBron.
- [72:46]
Stephen A. Smith
Until I saw it. I had no damn regrets about that. Go ahead. Go ahead, Cardell, real quick. Go ahead.
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Cardell Brooks
Once again, I think you should address everything. I think you should know when to stop. I'm gonna address it. I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say, and I'm gonna move on from It. I'm not gonna keep going on about it. But there is nothing you should not address. Nothing.
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Stephen A. Smith
Mark, last word.
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Mark Stevens
He said it. Cause I told you, even with the LeBron piece, like, once you addressed it, that should have been the end of it. But keep it going.
- [73:18]
Gary Stevens
Nah, but here's the thing about your LeBron thing. You didn't know that incident was going to happen.
- [73:22]
Stephen A. Smith
That's that.
- [73:23]
Gary Stevens
And you did not want to say nothing until everybody else addressed.
- [73:26]
Stephen A. Smith
That's true.
- [73:27]
Gary Stevens
So let's put that on the table.
- [73:29]
Stephen A. Smith
She didn't believe.
- [73:30]
Gary Stevens
Yeah.
- [73:30]
Stephen A. Smith
And believe it or not, I got news for you. I was really, really nice. People don't realize that. Oh, yeah? Trust me.
- [73:37]
Mark Stevens
They have to go. Stay off the goat.
- [73:39]
Stephen A. Smith
I could. I could have. No, no, Ain't no go. That's Michael Jordan. Make no mistake about it. That's Michael Jordan. I gotta get on out of here. Y' all had a good time, man.
- [73:46]
Gary Stevens
Great time.
- [73:48]
Stephen A. Smith
Had a good time. Y' all didn't do bad. I mean, y' all a little bit too mellow at times and stuff like that. You didn't let your personalities come out. But I figure I'm introducing you to the audience, something. I'm gonna have y' all back. I'm gonna have y' all back. What? Cut out.
- [74:00]
Cardell Brooks
We gotta protect the brand.
- [74:03]
Stephen A. Smith
We just can't keep showing out joy right now. Sit up here. Protect the brand. Protect. That's what Sumatra says all the time. You got to protect the brand. You know what I'm saying? Protect the brand.
- [74:13]
Cardell Brooks
Protect the brand.
- [74:15]
Stephen A. Smith
Worldwide West, Protect the asset. What's up with you and Worldwide West? Why you keep bringing them up? Could they win tonight? Could they win tonight?
- [74:21]
Mark Stevens
Yes, they can win tonight.
- [74:22]
Stephen A. Smith
I'm just saying. Why don't you say it then? Why you. You keep bringing his name out front Street. They might lose tonight.
- [74:28]
Mark Stevens
Let me say this.
- [74:28]
Stephen A. Smith
They better not lose. They're going to say this.
- [74:30]
Mark Stevens
Let me say this. Worldwide west as an EVP and Leon Rose has turned that organization around.
- [74:39]
Stephen A. Smith
That's true.
- [74:40]
Mark Stevens
Right.
- [74:40]
Stephen A. Smith
But I got news for you. Is their best shot to win the championship in 30 years. Number one.
- [74:44]
Mark Stevens
Correct.
- [74:45]
Stephen A. Smith
Number two, it's going to be their best shot to win the championship in a while if they don't get it done.
- [74:48]
Gary Stevens
That's right.
- [74:49]
Stephen A. Smith
This is the best chance the New York Knicks have had in 30 years to win a championship. Because they could beat Indiana and they could give OKC or Denver or Minnesota a run for their money. This is their. The best shot. This is it.
- [75:02]
Gary Stevens
The league is open.
- [75:03]
Cardell Brooks
Let's do it.
- [75:05]
Stephen A. Smith
Spank Money Mark My boys in the house. I had a good time. I hope y' all had a good time. Free Flowing Friday right here on the Stephen A. Smith Show. I flew my boys in the house to show. Show up and join me. I really appreciate they didn't do bad. I gotta admit that I might have to look at them in the future. They might get a check for me.
- [75:21]
Gary Stevens
Who knows?
- [75:22]
Stephen A. Smith
Who knows? Till next week y' all enjoy your week and God Bless. Stephen a. Signing off.
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