Stephen A. Smith (4:07)

I want to see me get my.

Julie Swerbinks (4:08)

Joy back from playing basketball.

Stephen A. Smith (4:10)

And wherever that may be, we'll find out here pretty soon.

Julie Swerbinks (4:16)

But I want to get my joy back.

Stephen A. Smith (4:18)

I'm happy here, you know, off the court, but I want to be back to somewhat dominant.

Julie Swerbinks (4:26)

I want to hoop and I want.

Stephen A. Smith (4:29)

To help this team win.

Julie Swerbinks (4:30)

Right now, I'm not doing that. Can you get your joy back here on the court?

Stephen A. Smith (4:33)

Probably not.

Julie Swerbinks (4:35)

Damn. Ladies and gentlemen, I've been covering the NBA for close to 30 years. In that time, I don't recall hearing anybody that has played for Pat Riley when Pat Riley was a coach since Pat Riley has been president of basketball operations that have spoken that defiantly against an organization run by Pat Riley. It has never happened. Well, it's happened now. Jimmy Butler wants out. And I'm here to tell you I can't blame him. When you look at the Miami Heat, presently a top six seed in the Eastern Conference, 17:15, two games over.500 at the time that we are recording this show, nevertheless, nobody has them in the championship equation. And when you listen to Jimmy Butler, what essentially is it that he is saying? I'll tell you what he's saying. He's saying we're not very good and we're not going to compete for a championship. We're likely not better than the Milwaukee Bucks, we're probably not better than the New York Knicks, we definitely ain't better than the Cleveland Cavaliers, and we damn sure ain't better than a reigning defending NBA champion Boston Celtics. In other words, we have no chance at this particular juncture with the team that we presently have assembled. If you are the Miami Heat, you can be a bit salty for how Jimmy Butler has chosen to handle this and we would all understand that. But respectfully, how wrong is he? We hadn't heard anything from Jimmy Butler up to this point. And when we look at Pat Riley, a person that I've known for years, that I revere and I have a lot of love and respect for, I even have him in my book Straight Shooter, in terms of the contribution he's made to my life and my career, there is no getting around the fact that Pat Riley, the great Pat Riley, the Winner within, that was the name of the book that he authored. The Winner within, who's been a champion on every level as a player, as a coach, as a president of basketball operations, this man knows how to win and he knows how to build a culture and he knows how to have structure in order to an organization. He is a leader, there's no question about that. But when it comes to Jimmy Butler or the Jimmy Butler era in Miami, one could easily ask, what have you done for him lately?

Stephen A. Smith (6:45)

Bam.

Julie Swerbinks (6:45)

Adebayer can play, but this is not Joel Embiid or Nikola Jokic or somebody of that caliber that we're talking about. Okay, let's just get that out the way right now. That's not what's going on here. And when you look at Jimmy Butler, a player option for next season of 52.4 million who's being paid over 49 million. Now just look at some of the stats. Look at this here. Think about it. Minutes per game, 30.8. Fewest since 2012, 2013, scoring average, 17.6, lowest since 2013, 2014. Now you will look at those numbers and say, well, Jimmy Butler, that's on you, right? Uh, hold on, brother. Shooting 55% from the field, 58% on two pointers, which means that when you give him the ball for him to shoot the basketball, it goes in more times than it doesn't. Why isn't he getting it more? Why am I looking at a usage rate of 20.3% for the Miami Heat, which is the lowest on a team? Some dude named Haywood Highsmith has a higher usage rate than Jimmy Butler. How? How? It makes no sense. Tyler Herro can ball, but he shoots difficult shots at times where shot selections leaves a lot to be desired. Bam Adebayer can ball, but he's not that kind of a stud offensively. Jimmy Butler's the one that got you to two NBA Finals in a four to five year period. And what has he been clamoring for over the last three summers or so help. Now you're the Miami Heat. You had an opportunity to get Kevin Durant. Didn't work out. You had an opportunity to get Damian Lillard. Didn't work out. Not only did you not get Damian Lillard, not only did you not get Kevin Durant, but it's in the aftermath of losing LeBron James, because LeBron James felt that it was too tight of a ship that Pat Riley was running. I don't know how true that is, because we all know that LeBron James had aspirations to go back to Cleveland and make amends for departing from them before delivering a championship to the city who was enduring a 52 year curse before he ended it in 2016. But still, in all, it leaves the question, what help has Jimmy Butler gotten? The answer is minimal. And because of that is why he's probably said enough. And why he spoke out is because after acknowledging that he wanted out, Pat Riley came out last week and said, we ain't trading them. So he's making it clear I don't want to be here. And if he doesn't want to be there, why keep him there? To me, it's very, very simple, ladies and gentlemen, I don't think there's anything to think about here. When I think about Jimmy Butler, his four options that he would prefer. Phoenix Suns, Golden State Warriors, Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets. Number One. Number two, he's probably worried that Pat. That Pat Riley gonna send him someplace that he don't want to go to. To a moribund franchise mired in basketball purgatory that has a shot in hell of winning anything. Because when you speak out, Pat Riley's not gonna do you any favors now. But if I'm Jimmy Butler, or shall I say if I'm one of those teams interested in Jimmy Butler, Listen, there's a case that could be made. Jimmy Butler with Luka and Kyrie. Yeah, I don't know if you need that, but it's not a losing proposition. Jimmy Butler with the Houston Rockets, a young team. Yeah, he could help their veteran leadership, but they already got Dillon Brooks and Fred Van Vliet. But Jimmy Butler doesn't hurt. Let's call it what it is. The Golden State Warriors. Steph Curry, you need another Klay Thompson, you don't need a Jimmy Butler in my estimation, Even though Jimmy Butler with Traymond Green in the same locker room, that's on fire for you, bro. That could go either way. But I think it would be a positive more so than the negative, personally, because I think they're both winners. The ideal landing spot for Jimmy Butler is the Phoenix Suns. I don't mean to be disrespectful. I'm just telling you what I know based on reporting on the league for all of these years. The Phoenix Suns are an ultra talented team with a lot of offensive firepower. Nevertheless, they are considered a team as soft as cottonelle tissue. Nobody is concerned about their toughness. And toughness is what gets it done for you in the playoffs. If you are the Phoenix Suns, you should get on your knees if you have to and beg Bradley Beal to wave that no trade clause and take his ass to Miami. There's no state income taxes there. The weather is beautiful, along with various other things that we won't mention here. And you should look forward to going to South Beach. No state income taxes, warm weather, got hurricanes in the summertime and stuff like that. But damn it, you ain't gonna be there. You're gonna be in one island. One island or another. You know what I'm saying? Wonderful wife, wonderful family. Bradley Beal's good people. Go to Miami, dawg. Go to Miami. Let Jimmy Butler go out to Phoenix, Arizona. Cause Jimmy Butler in that locker room with Kevin Durant and Devin Booker as his teammate, with Mike Budenhoser as a coach, with skilled but soft ass Nurkic as your big man. Let me tell you something. That Culture would change quick, faster than Ahri. That's where I'm at with Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler should be a Phoenix, son. Ishbar and the rest of Phoenix's hierarchy, do what you can to get your hands on Jimmy Butler and then you won't be in the middle of things in the Western Conference. You'll be at the top of the heap. You feel what I'm saying? My next topic has to be Saquon Barkley. Only in this regard, I'm kind of disgusted. He's a star running back for the Philadelphia Eagles. He's rushed for over 2,000 yards. Six of the eight previous players to rush for 2,000 yards all reached the post season, but only one of them played in the super bowl, which was Terrell Davis, who won the Super bowl in 1998 with the Denver Broncos. What Saquon Barkley has accomplished this year is incredible, no doubt about it. But he's sitting out the last game of the season because the Eagles want to make sure that he's ready for the playoffs and he doesn't get injured. So you're trying to protect him. As a result, he's 101 yard shy of the all time single season rushing record set by Eric Dickerson. And he's not going to get an opportunity to go for it because they want to rest him. Now under most circumstances, I will completely understand that. Here's my issue. It's the running back position. It's the one position in the National Football League where no matter what numbers you produce, no matter how extraordinary your season is, they look at your birth certificate and say, oh, you 30, you're done. We ain't investing in you long term. We not paying you. We not making that investment in you. Your birth certificate's collected too much dust. We ain't messing with that. Bye. This is what they do. Remember the Marco Murray with the Dallas Cowboys years ago? Remember when they gave him the ball 392 times? The brother was an Eagle after that because they said, yo, we don't need you. We used you up and now we gonna throw you out with the bathwater. The Giants. The New York Giants. That pathetic moribund franchise that's contaminating the city of New York and all of northern New Jersey worse than the damn swamps and its surrounding areas. That's how much the stench from the New York Giants has smelled up East Rutherford, New Jersey, which is right by the Lincoln Tunnel. That New York Giants squad, they had hard knocks on television last year. They talked about Saquon Barkley like he was nothing. They said, let him go, we don't need him. Pushed him right out the door, advertised it, damn near mocked him. Act like, yo, we don't care. And this is after you gave Daniel Jones 40 million? The same Daniel Jones that you ultimately benched before you let him go. That dude, you gave him four years, 160 million, 40 million, par. You could have paid Saquon Barkley. He has an opportunity to go up against that team this Sunday. You're not letting them do it. Leaves bad taste in my mouth. Now, I know you're kind of worried because it's like, all right, he might get hurt. Did it ever occur to you the Giants might let him get the yardage? Because they just as pissed off at the organization that they let him go as he was. Never know. I mean, if Brett Favre could sit up there and give Michael Strahan that sack like Mark Gastonau was crying about. As if Strahan didn't have an illustrious career before that damn last sack, breaking the all time single season sack record. I mean, if something like that could happen, and I'm not saying it did, who's to say that the Giants gonna do the same thing with Saquon Barkley this, this weekend, by the way, Game's going to be in Philadelphia at Lincoln Financial Field. You think the offensive linemen don't want to block for Saquon Barkley? They don't want to wear as a badge of honor, those were the individuals that blocked for the all time single season rushing leader. You don't think they want that? What stinks about this is that the running back position has been minimized and diminished for years. And this dude went out this season and reminded you just what the hell a running back can do for a team. And he wasn't the only one. Derrick Henry did it too. Josh Jacobs did it too. But especially Saquon Barkley really, really stinks. Really, really stinks that this is happening to him. But I'll say this. Nick Sirianni, head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, so be it, bro. You go ahead and do your thing. I'm gonna say this. This man, saquon Barkley is one of nine players in league history to rush for 2,000 yards in a season. I told you about the other eight. Let me say this to you. Since you made this decision, you better win that, you better win this shit. You better go out there and win the nfc. You better go in the super bowl, you better not be home for the Super Bowl. And Saquon Barkley didn't get the record. I know that much. I know that much. Let me transition to a different subject, even though it's gonna be in the world of sports. Okay, put me over here on this camera, please. I gotta see myself on the big screen right now. God. Talk about this. This is about a football player who had hall of Fame credentials who once donned a Hall of Fame jacket on the sidelines when he was catching touchdowns for the Cincinnati Bengals before his career went in a different direction, having to go to New England and play with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. I'm talking about the one and only Chad Ochocinko, famous these days for being a co host of Nightcap with my man Shannon Shaw. He was on video talking about a breakup with his girlfriend, I suppose, and he was talking about some things pertaining about how she left him. You don't believe me? Take a look for yourself, please. Why are you breaking with that beautiful girl? Have you seen me? Look at me.

Stephen A. Smith (18:26)

She left this.

Julie Swerbinks (18:29)

Look. Look at this. This man.

Stephen A. Smith (18:31)

Look at.

Julie Swerbinks (18:31)

Look at this. Chocolate.

Daniel Jeremiah (18:33)

Chocolate.

Stephen A. Smith (18:33)

It's not any kind of.

Julie Swerbinks (18:34)

It's Willy Wonka chocolate. She left. She left this. Thank you.

Stephen A. Smith (18:39)

You know, she left me. She left me. When I'm in my season, too.

Julie Swerbinks (18:43)

You hear me? We go.

Stephen A. Smith (18:45)

She left me. When you in your season?

Julie Swerbinks (18:47)

I'm in my season. Oh, my Lord. Let me say a couple of things real quick. Number one, I'm proud of my brother, Chad Ochocinko. He's been through a lot in life. He's overcome a lot in life. And to see what he's doing with my man Shannon Sharpe is admirable. I love seeing, last week, Chad Ochocinko in those commercials previewing the Monday Night Football game. I love seeing that. I love seeing him on his Inside the NFL show with Ryan Clark and Bill Belichick and all of those guys. I love that. I love that. Because Chad Ochocinko has a phenomenal personality as far as I'm concerned. He's made for this business, made for television, and I will never root against him. He worries me, though, when he talks about these subjects because you never know what kind of stuff people might bring up about him. And I don't. I worry about him because I root for him all the time. So I get the whole sexual chocolate thing. I got that. I feel you on that. You know what I'm saying? Ain't nothing wrong with a confident brother. But be careful about how much you willing to talk about yourself in that regard. You never Know when stuff could come back to haunt you. That's just my thinking in today's generation, you know what I'm saying? And I'll leave it at that. But that's my man. That's my dog, and I. I root for him all the time. And I'm not commenting about who he's in a relationship with or whatever, but I'll give him credit for this. I have never seen him with anything less than a dime piece ever. Ever. The man got good taste. The man got good taste in terms of beauty. He's got good taste. I give him that. Anything outside of that, I think it's important that I shut the hell up and leave it to a woman to come in here and touch on these issues. Not only somebody that's smart and educated, but accomplished as a journalist as well. Some of you might have heard from her, particularly if you're down south, particularly in Atlanta. You might have heard of Tori Cooper before. But in case you haven't, you're about to. And I assure you, I don't think you'll be disappointed. I'll let her comment on this. It's a little less risque for her to talk about these things than me, but that's just how I feel about it. Want y'all to meet a buddy of mine. She's in the house. If I could let my knuckleheaded nephew on the show with no credentials. All right. Who calling himself the Bronnie James of the media. Remember that. If I could let his no credential have an ass on the show, I could certainly let her on the show. Wait till you see it. Wait till you hear from her. She's up next. She'll provide the proper perspective on a few things. Chad Ochocin, one of them. The first thing, but certainly not the last. Stick around. Stephen Smith show in the house with my special guest up next. All right, y'all, listen up. Do you know that the NFL playoffs are right around the corner and that we are smack in the middle of the NBA season? 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Prize picks Run your game now let's look at my picks for today. First up, Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson facing Myles Garrett in the Cleveland Browns defense. More or less than 204 and a half passing yards. Look, it's Lamar Jackson. Cleveland has nothing to lose and I know their defense will get out there and wreak havoc. I understand what their potential is. Offensively they stink. So as a result of that, they're going to give the offense of the Baltimore Ravens more opportunity because they ain't going to spend too much time on the field. That's going to give Lamar Jackson an opportunity to operate. You got 204 and a half passing yards. That ain't much for the two time league MVP of the National Football League to accumulate. We gonna go with more on this run here. More for Lamar Jackson. Next up we've got Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow going up against the Pittsburgh Steelers in Pittsburgh. More or less than 285 and a half passing yards the brothers throwing to Jamar Chase. Have you seen Jamar Chase? Have you seen what this brother can do? Have you seen the 1600 plus yards he's accumulated? The 15, 16 touchdowns that he's accumulated? Have you seen Joe Burrow in the month of December completing 75% of his passes, throwing for over 1600 yards. Got 15 damn touchdowns. This is Joe Burrow we're talking about here. Of course we got to go more. Even though it's against my Pittsburgh Steelers, which hurts me, I still got to go with more on this one. All right, next up, Steelers signal caller Russell Wilson facing the Cincinnati Bengals secondary. More or less than 230 and a half passing yards. Look, I'm a bit reticent about this. I don't like the chemistry that exists or doesn't exist between him and George Pickens right now. I don't know of another receiver you can rely upon if you're Russell Wilson right now. I don't know where the hell a running game has gone with Warren and obviously najee Harris. The offensive line has been absolutely suspect. Cincinnati's defense is suspect, no doubt. But they do get pressure on the quarterback led by this kid Hendrickson who's. What is it, 14 sacks on the season leading the National Football League. I still got to go with more because I got to believe in Russell Wilson. You lost three straight. You don't want to go into the players with a four game losing streak. I think that's what the Steelers are riding on right now. They're on the home turf in Pittsburgh. I'm going to go with more on this one. Finally, New York Giants quarterback Drew Locke playing the Philadelphia Eagles in Philly. More or less than 193 and a half passing yards. Look, I don't expect most of the steel the Philadelphia Eagles starters to be playing and I get that part. But damn it, as far as I'm concerned, you Lockheed a starter. I mean he lucky to be in the damn lineup. I'm of the mindset that I'm looking at it and I'm saying I'm not expecting big things from anything associated with the New York Giants. Then a lucky Saquon Barkley ain't playing or you lucky? Having said all of that, that's why we're going with less. I don't have any expectations for the New York Giants. I hope my man is true that Strahan is going to be the new gm. I believe in that brother. I don't like anything else that I've seen with this moribund franchise. And I'm not sold on the Giants. Everything about them should be less, including ticket prices to their customers since they've been robbing them for years. But since that's not the case, all I could do is point out that when it comes to drew lock and 193 and a half passing yards, I'm going to have to go with less. That's rare because when I'm talking prospects, I'm usually talking more as in more money in your pocket. It's why they represent this show. We appreciate them very, very much.

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Julie Swerbinks (28:32)

Welcome back to the Stephen A. Smith show right here with the Digital Airways of YouTube and of course, I Heart or iHeartRadio. You know, when I'm usually sitting up here, when I have a guest, it's usually not someone that's in studio. On a rare occasion that there has been somebody in studio, whether it's a Taye Diggs or it's an Areva Martin or it's A. And Ebony K. Williams. You know, that usually stops there. I got a lot of friends and I got a dear friend sitting next to me right now. She's been waiting to come on this show because most of the time she's disagreeing with me. I don't know if you can believe that, but she actually disagrees with me. But she has the credibility to disagree with me because she's a renowned journalist, very reputable at what she does. The one and only Tori Cooper. How are you? How's everything?

Daniel Jeremiah (29:18)

I'm doing great.

Julie Swerbinks (29:19)

So you finally. You're finally at the. You're finally, finally on the show right now. I mean, why is it that you said to me you wanted to come on? Because sometimes I just don't agree with you. Is that true? You really don't agree with me?

Daniel Jeremiah (29:31)

Yeah, sometimes I just really don't.

Julie Swerbinks (29:32)

Why not? I mean, how could you possibly disagree with me?

Daniel Jeremiah (29:35)

I mean. Cause I have an opinion, and it's not the same as yours, especially in the relationship space. Okay. So I figured, why not we can poke him a little bit, get some questions answered. Got a little curiosity. I like knowing where you fall on certain things, you know?

Julie Swerbinks (29:49)

Right.

Daniel Jeremiah (29:50)

And I see people come on here.

Julie Swerbinks (29:51)

Now, tell the truth. You go back to your man. You go back to your man. Cause I know you have a wonderful fiance and all that. There you go. And so you go back to your man. And what you do is you go to him and you tell him what I said so you could get a feel from him as to whether I'm right or not. Is that true?

Daniel Jeremiah (30:06)

I don't know if I'm that balanced. I don't know if I'm that balanced. But, you know, we do talk about some of the topics I've talked about with you and where you fall on things.

Julie Swerbinks (30:16)

That's right.

Daniel Jeremiah (30:16)

He's been watching you for 15 years, so he understands where you're probably gonna fall on things. But he's a little different than you.

Julie Swerbinks (30:23)

He's a little different than you.

Daniel Jeremiah (30:24)

Yeah, he's.

Julie Swerbinks (30:25)

How's he different? I mean, pray tell, pray tell, how's he different?

Daniel Jeremiah (30:28)

Well, for starters, he's a bit younger. Okay, okay.

Julie Swerbinks (30:31)

Damn. Okay, so I'm old now. I'm old now.

Daniel Jeremiah (30:34)

Hey, now you are. You are.

Julie Swerbinks (30:36)

Okay, okay, okay, okay. We'll go with that. We'll go with that. Let me ask you this. Cause I want you to tell the audience before we get into. Because I got to get to you about what you saw with Chad Ochociko, along with a couple of other topics. Just give some people your background. Because I don't just let anybody. I know. I let my knuckleheaded nephew. But I love him to death, and he is smart, he is talented, and I love him to death. But, you know, you are a seasoned journalist. I want you to tell people about your background.

Daniel Jeremiah (31:01)

Yeah. So, spent 10 years as a news anchor and a reporter, working from the back of the camera all the way to the front of the camera. Started off in Denver, played soccer, Division 1 soccer. I played for the University of Georgia, University of Colorado, Boulder. And then, you know, after that, I had some professional soccer opportunities. And then I realized that I didn't want to do that because the news came calling as a sports reporter and intern. And I said, look, I'm going to just take this and run with it and never look back and hang up my soccer cleats. And then, so from there, I essentially took off with it. I started behind the scenes as a camera person. I went to cover Peyton Manning as he was winning the super bowl in Denver and then applied to a bunch of jobs and then landed my tv. My first TV job as a sports reporter and anchor in Washington State. I was filming my own highlights, editing my own highlights. Yeah. But then I had some guys coming from my job in a small market. The weatherman wanted my job. I said, I'm good. And then I had. Then I had guys just macking on me at games and, you know, names I will not name in the NFL who were very disrespectful. And I said, I'm good off this. And then you have people saying that, you know, you didn't say it right. And I'm like, look, the paperwork and the documents say I'm right about this homicide, you know. And so I transitioned into news, fell in love with it, fell in love with crime, investigations, politics. And then, yeah, I got moved to Bakersfield doing. I was working as a MMJ multimedia journalist there, shooting all my own video, all my own stories, editing everything myself. And then I rose in the ranks, became the anchor in Bakersfield, California, which is like the armpit. Everybody knows that. And then I got my call in Atlanta, started off again as my own cameraman, my own editor and reporter, and going live by myself, shooting two stories a day on a deadline. And eventually I worked my way up to the anchor and became the anchor at CBS News in Atlanta. And it was great. And, you know, things changed. You know, I had an opportunity for, you know, to elevate there, but overall, I felt like it was time to move forward in a different direction. But 10 years of covering crime, politics, sports, I've just traveled with the Hawks, most recently along the road with my boyfriend.

Julie Swerbinks (33:24)

Okay.

Daniel Jeremiah (33:25)

Actually, that was fun.

Julie Swerbinks (33:26)

Okay.

Daniel Jeremiah (33:26)

He's on the news, too.

Julie Swerbinks (33:27)

There's nothing wrong with that. But let me ask you this. You brought up the NFL real quick and how you didn't like how, you know, folks approached you in the NFL. How do you feel about the modern day athlete? I mean, in terms of what you're seeing? I'm not even talking about them on the field. I'm talking about people with their own podcast, their own platforms and stuff like that. You know, how are you feeling about the advent of that industry growing in terms of professional athletes having a voice and a microphone and the camera in front of them? I love it because.

Daniel Jeremiah (33:56)

I love it because. Use your platform, use your voice. Don't just be an athlete, you know, show that you have more depths, show that you have an opinion in these rooms, be welcome on any topic, but make sure that you come correct with the evidence to back your perspective, period. But I also think that many of these athletes are not recognizing the moment. You know, at the same time, you know, if we just talk about the Chad Ochocinko moment.

Julie Swerbinks (34:19)

Yes.

Daniel Jeremiah (34:19)

You know, you recognize your platform. You know, people love you, people enjoy you. You have a great background and stuff. But when you start talking about relationship stuff, you know, you can lose respect very easily.

Julie Swerbinks (34:31)

How? How? Explain that. I mean, I know. I mean, don't get me wrong. I wouldn't advise that Chad Ochocinko go out there and talk about himself too much. But in the same breath, one would argue no harm, no foul. In the YouTube age and what have you, people find that very, very.

Daniel Jeremiah (34:47)

Of course. But when is it a private partnership? Like, when are we gonna get back to that? When is it private still? You know, because it's been private for a long time. What's the biggest power move, Steven?

Julie Swerbinks (34:57)

You tell me.

Daniel Jeremiah (34:58)

Silence.

Julie Swerbinks (34:59)

I agree with that.

Daniel Jeremiah (35:00)

Silence.

Julie Swerbinks (35:01)

That's how I flow. That's how. But for some. Some men would say that, you know what, not being silent actually works for them. What do you say to that? I mean, by the way, let me transition. Hold on, wait. There are a lot more women talking. I mean, usually. Usually it was supposed to be the ladies that insisted upon you shutting your mouth. Now you got a lot of them telling their business what's up with that.

Daniel Jeremiah (35:28)

You know, and I'm gonna. I'm gonna side with you on that. It's pretty inappropriate, some of the things that I'm seeing and not just from, you know, celebrities, you know, as we're talking about Chad Ochocinko's ex fiance, you know, she has an incredible resume, you know, spent 13 years as a paratrooper in the army, you know, has a real estate empire for selling luxury real estate in Tampa. So she also has her own power that you can keep. And you don't need to go out online and be shattering your man.

Julie Swerbinks (35:58)

She was on there talking about him.

Daniel Jeremiah (35:59)

Exactly. So I'm trying to tell you, I've been more disappointed in the women that I've been seeing online. And. And not enough people talk about that because, honestly, I have friends doing this. I have friends that have millions of followers, millions of followers on Instagram, killing it. Just baddies. But they're posting screenshots of relationship stuff. They're saying, look who he flew out I'm like, take this down. Take this down.

Julie Swerbinks (36:24)

And when you tell them to take this down, so I don't tell them.

Daniel Jeremiah (36:28)

To take it down.

Julie Swerbinks (36:29)

Why don't you?

Daniel Jeremiah (36:30)

Because they're too sensitive and they can't handle it. And I will not even drop names right here because they can't handle it.

Julie Swerbinks (36:35)

So you're telling me you went to one of your girls and you said to them, look, take it down. It's none of nobody's business. They would take that to heart, and their feelings would be hurt over something as simplistic as that.

Daniel Jeremiah (36:46)

Look, not everybody has the wherewithal to move with that level of decorum. And you just got to recognize your friends, where they at. They bring certain talents to the table, and they. They don't bring certain things that they maybe need still. And they need to. You can tell someone not to date someone, but at the end of the day, they're gonna date that person. You can. You know what I mean? I could tell you not to post something, but you're gonna post it.

Julie Swerbinks (37:06)

What's your criteria for a man?

Daniel Jeremiah (37:07)

Okay.

Julie Swerbinks (37:08)

What's your criteria?

Daniel Jeremiah (37:09)

Going to my number one. Number one.

Julie Swerbinks (37:11)

Give it. Give it whatever order you want to give it.

Daniel Jeremiah (37:13)

Number one, humility.

Julie Swerbinks (37:15)

Okay, and then. Now, what does that mean? What does that mean? I mean, humility, okay, you can have a quiet confidence. There's various levels to humility.

Daniel Jeremiah (37:22)

There is various levels to humility, but it's been lost in the wind and the world that we live in. STEPHEN A. Because the confidence is no longer confidence. It's arrogance. I know everything. I'm great. I have so many faults. You know, it's just too much about the ego. If you can pull up with a quiet confidence and you can show out in what you do and you be low key, you're the person in the back, chilling, quiet, not on their phone, just observing. That's my type of person.

Julie Swerbinks (37:48)

Is that how your man, dare I say, endeared himself to you? Did he have a quiet confidence?

Daniel Jeremiah (37:56)

Yeah, very much a quiet confidence. And, you know, he had every reason to be cocky. He's handsome, he's smart, he's elevated. He brings it all, you know, and he has every reason to be cocky and rude and mean and, oh, you should be chasing after me. And that was never the case. It was someone like, hey, I know what you do. I respect what you do in any way. I can elevate you. I'm gonna elevate you.

Julie Swerbinks (38:17)

So after humility being step number one, what's step number two?

Daniel Jeremiah (38:20)

Family you have to treat your mom right.

Julie Swerbinks (38:23)

Okay?

Daniel Jeremiah (38:23)

You have to treat your mom right.

Julie Swerbinks (38:24)

That's automatic. I mean, any man that doesn't treat his mama right, you just look at. I mean, even I'm a heterosexual. Even I look at a man that don't treat his mama right.

Daniel Jeremiah (38:33)

Strange. But I do wanna talk about something. Cause we need to honor our black men when we can. This book you did, an excellent tribute to your grandmother and your mother.

Julie Swerbinks (38:41)

Thank you so much.

Daniel Jeremiah (38:42)

You know, and it was a pleasure getting to learn about them through your eyes. And I didn't mean to, like, derail that conversation, but I just really enjoyed learning about, you know, where you grew up, what it was like, you know, and to see the star that you are at this moment in your life and to be glorifying God in such a big way.

Julie Swerbinks (38:58)

My mother is the greatest woman I've ever known.

Daniel Jeremiah (39:00)

I know.

Julie Swerbinks (39:01)

And very few, you know, like my nephew over there. My mother, his grandmama loved her ground that he walked on. My grandmama loved the ground that I walked on. So I had it really, really, really, really good. And it's taught me, dare I say, some of the things to avoid and to make me more attractive to a woman, because I know how to act. I know how to act. Having said that, I'm very particular about a woman knowing how to act.

Daniel Jeremiah (39:26)

Yeah. I gotta ask you, okay, so what do you think? What do you think about this issue? Do you feel like they both share equal, you know, blame for how they talked about this? You think they both should have just.

Julie Swerbinks (39:35)

I do. I, I, I, I do. Because I think that. I think in Chad's case, because of so much that he's endured, I know what he's had to overcome. I know some personal things about him that the typical person wouldn't know and what he had to go through. And so for him to work so diligently to get through all of that. Yeah. I just don't want him putting himself in a position where he's reminding folks and stuff. But I got so much love for him and so much appreciation for how far he he's come, and I respect him for that. But I also think that he's an entertainer. He's absolutely phenomenal at what he does. I love him with Shannon on Nightcap. I love what they're doing together. And most importantly, you know, Chad is one of those dudes that he want to make people smile, he want to make people laugh. He wants to have a good time. And you got a lot of ladies out there. Dare I say they seem harder than they've ever been. And when you talk to them about it, a lot of the ladies will say it's because of y'all. You men, you've done this to us, as opposed to owning up to them, just choosing to be that way. That would be my answer to that. Do you have a problem with what I just said? Speak it.

Daniel Jeremiah (40:44)

You know, I'm soaking it in.

Julie Swerbinks (40:46)

Well, let's just say this. There's nothing wrong with saying Stephen A right. There's nothing wrong with it.

Daniel Jeremiah (40:50)

No, I agree. No, I agree with what you're saying. I feel like they both share equal blame here. But I do agree that, you know, don't give people a reason to reminisce on the past. And, you know, with Chad, you know, I think that's a fair take.

Julie Swerbinks (41:03)

You sent me a text. Okay, because you want. You. You want to make sure that there was a couple of subjects that you wanted to touch on, you know, when you. When you paid the visit to the show. So I was like, okay. I mean, I'm down for it. I was a little nervous, you know, A little nervous. Because, I mean, I. I'm like, sir, Tori could come up with some stuff now. This is a professional journalist here. She could try me. You know, I don't know, but you brought up something about open relationships or something. Open dating. Could you explain that and what you wanted to get, what you wanted to hear from me about with that?

Daniel Jeremiah (41:34)

It's the hottest topic on the Internet. Open dating. Open relationship.

Julie Swerbinks (41:39)

Open relationship.

Daniel Jeremiah (41:40)

And I know not to hit on you with your age or anything. That's right.

Julie Swerbinks (41:44)

That's right. I don't mind. I'm 57. I don't look at it.

Daniel Jeremiah (41:46)

I don't think we'll be looking at our generation like, what are y'all doing? And I wanted to hear what you had to say about that.

Julie Swerbinks (41:52)

So when we talk about open dating, I need specifics.

Daniel Jeremiah (41:55)

Okay.

Julie Swerbinks (41:55)

I mean, what do they mean when they say open dating? Be specific.

Daniel Jeremiah (42:00)

So I've read a few articles about just, you know, people's understanding about what an open relationship is, why it's more acceptable in society now as compared to before. And they're saying, you know, I have enough love for more than one person. So what do you say about that? You. You feel like you got enough problems with more than one person?

Julie Swerbinks (42:19)

I do, but it's not how I roll. I mean, I'm the kind of person. I'm in a relationship or I'm not. So if I'm In a relationship. My attitude ain't no damn open relationship. Now, if I'm not in a relationship, then we might as well be open, because I'm gonna do what the hell I want, and you can do what the hell you want. I ain't gonna lose no sleep over it. That's me.

Daniel Jeremiah (42:36)

So you have to make the commitment first.

Julie Swerbinks (42:37)

You have to make the commitment in order for it to be a relationship. But once you make the commitment, that's the commitment, right? So having said all of that, let me tell you what I think the issue is, okay? Women have to accept the fact. I'm gonna have to say this. Tory, I'm gonna have to say this.

Daniel Jeremiah (42:51)

Here we go.

Julie Swerbinks (42:52)

Women have to accept the fact that there is, in a man's mind, a double standard. Here's what I mean by that. I'm not talking about his actions, I'm talking about his mentality. A guy can sit up there and no matter what he does to transgress, to violate the relationship, no matter how guilty he is, he'll lose it. If you did it. Don't think for one second that if you, his woman, that he's going to be okay at any point with you letting somebody else hook up with you, he's going to lose his mind. But there's a reason for that. I've said this to many women, and I'll say it to you right now. If you walked up to a man and you said, look, I'm really not interested in anything. I really just. I'm about to.

Daniel Jeremiah (43:46)

Where is this voice coming from? Where is this voice coming from?

Julie Swerbinks (43:49)

Why does it sound so vulnerable?

Daniel Jeremiah (43:51)

It sounds very vulnerable and weak. It's giving. Vulnerable and weak.

Julie Swerbinks (43:55)

It's giving. Vulnerable, Weak. This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. If a woman comes up to a guy, all right, and she says to a guy, I really. I've been through a lot. I just. I don't want a relationship. I want us to have a good time when we have a good time and then when we don't, you know, you do what you want to do, I do what I want to do. Ain't a man alive turning that down. He got no problem with it. You understand? Zero.

Daniel Jeremiah (44:23)

I know a few that might turn it down.

Julie Swerbinks (44:24)

No, no, wait a minute. Okay, fair enough. I shouldn't say. I shouldn't speak in definitives like that, but most men are not turning that down, okay?

Daniel Jeremiah (44:30)

That's true. True.

Julie Swerbinks (44:31)

What I'm saying is, is that even though you said that to him, he won't turn that down. You come up as a woman to him and you're saying that to him. He's cool with it. Right. The second there's any kind of commitment whatsoever, all of that changes because he's thinking, my woman, the woman I've chosen to be with, the woman that I want to be committed to, wouldn't do such a thing. This is why most guys lose it, because they never anticipate that the woman that they've invested in would do something like that. Yeah, but whereas we know as men, that's a potential that we have to work against a lot of times. Like, for example, I've told the sisters, I've got nine nieces and nephews, I've got numerous tens of female relatives, cousins, stuff like that. And I've told them all this. I've said, look, when you go up to a man, I don't care what you say, he could sit up there, he could be with you, he could have you speaking in tongues. He could love you could love him to death. You will still walk out of there thinking about what you gave. We always know we're getting. So because of that, there's a detachment that we might have. Whereas a woman, she's invested herself physically, physiologically, emotionally, spiritually, et cetera. And when she invests herself in you as a guy, you're convinced she's all in. So when she veers left, it's a shock to his system, it's devastating to his ego.

Daniel Jeremiah (46:06)

Yeah. And then you have to compensate.

Julie Swerbinks (46:07)

Right.

Daniel Jeremiah (46:07)

Then you're going to find yourself compensating for maybe what you're not getting. No longer in your partnership, maybe. And so that's what I want to touch on a little bit, because I have a lot of friends and family members that are this. This open relationship topic and issue, I guess you could call it at this point. It's in a lot of different families. And it's not just confusing for the people, maybe in this relationship when their partner approaches them and says, hey, you know, you want to open this up? You know, it's not. It's not just confusing for them.

Julie Swerbinks (46:34)

Are women doing that as much as they are.

Daniel Jeremiah (46:36)

Women are doing this. Women are doing. See, this is why it was me.

Julie Swerbinks (46:40)

I didn't know.

Daniel Jeremiah (46:44)

Yeah, see, women are doing this. Women are doing this. And, you know, you know, you had a caller actually on your show that wanted her man to dress up like.

Julie Swerbinks (46:53)

A firefighter because she wanted the firefighter.

Daniel Jeremiah (46:55)

She wanted the firefighter, but now she wanted the firefighter. Yeah, but what. Okay, she wanted her husband to do that, but then, you know, down the street was the fire. You know, I'm just saying. But that's not what I'm. That wasn't this. But I'm just saying there are women who are doing this, who are opening this up. And it's not only people who are in relationships who are maybe in their marriage, who are married and may have kids and then want to bring a third party in. And so now, not only is it confusing for the kids involved, it's confusing for your partner, because now your partner is now trying to compensate for maybe they're not getting from you. And then let's take a step further to the younger generation really quick. Let's speak to you guys. I have friends that have family members involved in these types of relationships. And the parents are in their 60s and 70s and they're like, when are we gonna see a wedding?

Julie Swerbinks (47:40)

Right?

Daniel Jeremiah (47:41)

When are we gonna see a wedding? So, you know, the traditional values, you know, you know, it's confusing. It's hard for family members. And, you know, I'm speaking to them and watching them be open minded. And there's, you know, they're trying to be open minded. But then I've seen people say, you know, I was only being open minded. I didn't actually want this. You know, my partner wanted this.

Julie Swerbinks (47:57)

So if a woman wants an open relationship, why do they want that? Tory?

Daniel Jeremiah (48:02)

I think it's because they're bored.

Julie Swerbinks (48:05)

Bored where Torey could be.

Daniel Jeremiah (48:08)

You know, there's a lot more. It depends on the type of woman you are. But if you can't have stimulating conversation with your man. One conversation. Okay. Sex. Yes. We're gonna just call spade a spade.

Julie Swerbinks (48:17)

Thank you very much.

Daniel Jeremiah (48:19)

Thank you very much. Sex. Yes. Okay. Yes, they're bored in the bedroom. One. Okay. That's for starters. Okay. You're not doing it. You're not able to communicate what you.

Julie Swerbinks (48:28)

Want if you're sitting in the bedroom with your man. Why would you want an open relationship when he's doing it for you?

Daniel Jeremiah (48:33)

Hey, you know, it's gonna start. It's gonna start. And, you know, but the thing is, it's deeper than that. Some people don't feel like they're hurt, don't feel like they're in their, you know, they're not getting enough emotionally. You know, you can. Some people, they lose interest. Even if the sex was good at one time, they lose interest in, you know, that physicality.

Julie Swerbinks (48:48)

Nothing really happens with a woman. So a woman could be thoroughly Enjoying herself with her man physically, but she's not getting enough attention. And so as a result of that, I got to be and go in a different direction because he's not paying me enough attention. He's not watching Friends or more and. Or something like that.

Daniel Jeremiah (49:06)

He's screaming on Xbox with his friends playing cod. And, you know, maybe you are.

Julie Swerbinks (49:13)

Well, he's doing that while she's sitting up there saying, baby, you wanna come up in here? And you trying to tell me that's what men are doing?

Daniel Jeremiah (49:19)

I mean, look, I seen a few comedians talking about how, you know, they're cool if their girlfriend just disappeared.

Julie Swerbinks (49:26)

Right? You know, poof. Yes. So let me ask you this question. So with all of that knowledge that you just disseminated to the masses, I'm.

Daniel Jeremiah (49:36)

Probably gonna get cut up for it. But it's.

Julie Swerbinks (49:38)

What do you say to people, yourself included, who are looking forward to marriage? Oh, what do you say?

Daniel Jeremiah (49:46)

Don't rush.

Julie Swerbinks (49:47)

Okay?

Daniel Jeremiah (49:47)

Don't rush. Take your time and don't be so pressed on the Instagram photo.

Julie Swerbinks (49:51)

Right.

Daniel Jeremiah (49:51)

It's so annoying. So annoying to watch.

Julie Swerbinks (49:54)

I tell ladies all the time, you gonna show it to everybody. What am I getting?

Daniel Jeremiah (49:57)

But it's.

Julie Swerbinks (49:58)

What's the adventure with what I'm getting? You done showed it to everybody. You understand what I'm saying? I mean, where's the intrigue? Where's the intrigue? Oh, wait.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:05)

I wanna ask you, though.

Julie Swerbinks (50:05)

Yes. Okay.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:06)

You talk a lot about my relationship.

Julie Swerbinks (50:07)

Yes.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:08)

You know, I've had to be an open book today, which I was, you know, not really.

Julie Swerbinks (50:12)

Well, you're not really. I didn't really planning on. I didn't probe too much.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:16)

You didn't probe too much. But I got to highlight my man.

Julie Swerbinks (50:18)

I really didn't.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:19)

I got to highlight my man.

Julie Swerbinks (50:20)

I know that makes sense. I appreciate that.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:23)

But what about you, Steven?

Julie Swerbinks (50:24)

What about me?

Daniel Jeremiah (50:24)

Where's your commitment at? Where you at? You got a lady?

Julie Swerbinks (50:27)

I got a lady.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:27)

You got a lady.

Julie Swerbinks (50:28)

Oh, yes, I do.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:28)

Where's that?

Julie Swerbinks (50:29)

You know that.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:30)

I know that.

Julie Swerbinks (50:30)

She's home.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:31)

She's home.

Julie Swerbinks (50:31)

Oh, she's home.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:32)

That's a good place to be.

Julie Swerbinks (50:34)

I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean, it is what it is. I'm happy at the moment.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:38)

You gonna get married?

Julie Swerbinks (50:39)

I hope to one day.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:40)

Really?

Julie Swerbinks (50:41)

I mean, I hope to.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:42)

This is refreshing to hear from you.

Julie Swerbinks (50:44)

I hope, too.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:44)

This is refreshing to hear.

Julie Swerbinks (50:46)

Well, see, I got news for you. Marriage for me. Marriage for me has never, ever once been about an issue of monogamy. That has never been an issue.

Daniel Jeremiah (50:54)

Yeah, I know. You've been very.

Julie Swerbinks (50:56)

The issue. The issue. Cause I would hope that. Listen, I'm not gonna get married knowing that I'm gonna cheat on my wife. I'm not gonna do that, Right? If I think I'm gonna do that, I'm a bound.

Daniel Jeremiah (51:04)

So what holds you back from getting married?

Julie Swerbinks (51:05)

Money. The society that we live in.

Daniel Jeremiah (51:09)

You.

Julie Swerbinks (51:10)

You wake up one day and decide you don't want me and half my shit's gone. You know, I mean, my pension, my retirement, all of this other stuff, that's to me, forget the women and the men. Society has messed with marriage because we've made it punitive. In other words, if it don't work out, it's gonna cost you. It's very few marriages that people amicably separate from one another. I love you, you love me. Let's take care of this and everything.

Daniel Jeremiah (51:37)

I got a lot to lose.

Julie Swerbinks (51:38)

I got a lot to lose.

Daniel Jeremiah (51:38)

Got a lot to lose.

Julie Swerbinks (51:39)

And so I'm like this, you know? You could wake up one day and not want me, but I gotta pay half.

Daniel Jeremiah (51:44)

So what are the parameters? What are these tests that she's being put through? Or anybody in that matter who's maybe, you know, speak more general? Cause let's be respectable to your relationship. Unless you wanna go there.

Julie Swerbinks (51:52)

No, here's the deal. I'm gonna say it very plain. And. And my nephew's here, and he will attest to it. And I'm ashamed to admit it, but it is true. My mother knew this about me. My sisters know this about me. My nieces. And my other nephew knows this about me. Everybody knows this is true. I'm gonna be very, very comfortable when I get married. You know why?

Daniel Jeremiah (52:13)

You gonna be old.

Julie Swerbinks (52:14)

No, you gonna be old. You got Maddie.

Daniel Jeremiah (52:16)

You ain't got nothing. I know you love me. Now I'm gonna tell you.

Julie Swerbinks (52:20)

I'm gonna tell you why. I'm gonna tell you this.

Daniel Jeremiah (52:21)

Because, look, I'm old and great.

Julie Swerbinks (52:23)

Are you ready for this? You ain't gonna be old and great.

Daniel Jeremiah (52:25)

Okay.

Julie Swerbinks (52:25)

Cause I'm gonna have a lot left.

Daniel Jeremiah (52:26)

You're deferred to the check.

Julie Swerbinks (52:27)

Here's the deal. I will have put her through hell.

Daniel Jeremiah (52:32)

Here we go.

Julie Swerbinks (52:33)

Here's what I mean by that. Here's what I mean by that. Anybody can act right when everything is good. Where's the adversity? Where's the stress? Where's the strain? This easy path to the process.

Daniel Jeremiah (52:47)

So it's not stressful dating you. It's not stressful dating you. Is that what you're saying?

Julie Swerbinks (52:51)

It is stressful dating. It's part of the process.

Daniel Jeremiah (52:54)

Okay, yeah, it's part of the process.

Julie Swerbinks (52:55)

It's part of the process. It's part of on purpose because it's like I don't want.

Daniel Jeremiah (53:00)

So I need to stress you out. I'm gonna come here, I'm gonna stress you out and see how far I can push you. But you don't lose someone doing that.

Julie Swerbinks (53:06)

Here's the deal. I'm not playing games, though. Here's what I mean by that. It's not like calculating and playing.

Daniel Jeremiah (53:12)

Okay, all right.

Julie Swerbinks (53:13)

It's just a level of defiance like you roll up in my life. There's certain things I'm going to be hard headed about naturally. Why wait until we marry for you to find that out? I'm going to show it to you from junk.

Daniel Jeremiah (53:24)

No good. I like it.

Julie Swerbinks (53:25)

I'm going to be hard headed from now.

Daniel Jeremiah (53:26)

I like the transition.

Julie Swerbinks (53:27)

I'm going to be a pain in the neck from now. I'm going to be this, I'm going to be that. I'm paid. I'm showing you this is what you getting. And you're going to have to learn. Yo, this is. This is my. This is my man. That's. That's what comes with him. And some women have had a difficult time dealing with that. They departed and, you know, their flight left. I think that they flew out and.

Daniel Jeremiah (53:52)

Then flew back home.

Julie Swerbinks (53:53)

That's what it is.

Daniel Jeremiah (53:54)

So how's she doing? How's she doing? How's she meeting these moments?

Julie Swerbinks (53:58)

So far, so good. Okay, we gotta go to break.

Daniel Jeremiah (54:00)

Okay. All right.

Julie Swerbinks (54:00)

We gotta go to break.

Daniel Jeremiah (54:01)

Let's see it.

Julie Swerbinks (54:01)

We gotta go to break. You trying to get all in, Montes, you're getting me in trouble right now. Coming up. I mean, you heard us talking. It's the new year. He happened to be in studio. My nephew got a lot to say about stuff like this. And I asked Tori ahead of time. So you mind if he joins us for the last block of the show? She's like, I don't mind. She ain't scared.

Daniel Jeremiah (54:20)

I'm excited.

Julie Swerbinks (54:20)

If she ain't scared, how the hell am I gonna be? You heard her, she's excited.

Daniel Jeremiah (54:23)

I'm excited. He's with my cousin. Oh, he's my cousin. Okay. He's my cousin.

Julie Swerbinks (54:28)

I've got a hoodwink already.

Daniel Jeremiah (54:29)

Damn.

Julie Swerbinks (54:31)

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Julie Swerbinks (58:05)

Welcome back to the Stephen A. Smith show right here over the Digital Airways with YouTube and, of course, iHeartRadio. Before I get to my next additional guest, once again, I want to thank Tori Cooper for being on the show with us. She is a bit overdressed, but it's a perfectly logical explanation. She usually is watching how I'm dressed as she was working and came straight here to see me. All of this other stuff, but don't worry about it. Here's the deal. I wanted to move on and talk about various other subjects, but my nephew was in the house. And you know, I'm not gonna call him a knucklehead. Cause I love him and he's not. I just love messing with him. But I don't mind calling him a knucklehead. Cause he's always taking my stuff. Tory, the man sitting next to you, my nephew Josh. Do y'all have footage of the last time he was on this show? Please, could you show a split screen of him now, compared to them now, ladies and gentlemen, that's a different pair of shades. He keeps stealing my shades. And then he doesn't consider it stealing because he believed that whatever is mine is his. It's ridiculous. And, oh, by the way, you were lying about being this Knick fan. Why are you wearing a Spurs jacket if you. You don't see me wearing another team's jacket?

Stephen A. Smith (59:17)

Well, since you mentioned the jacket, let me take it on because I got merch. And I was.

Julie Swerbinks (59:22)

Oh, rich. Hiddy.

Daniel Jeremiah (59:29)

It's lit. It's lit.

Julie Swerbinks (59:31)

It's lit. I don't want to.

Daniel Jeremiah (59:32)

And it's we rich.

Julie Swerbinks (59:33)

He's not rich.

Daniel Jeremiah (59:34)

Okay?

Julie Swerbinks (59:34)

He's not rich.

Stephen A. Smith (59:35)

I'm not. Say it with me. We rich.

Daniel Jeremiah (59:38)

We rich. We rich.

Stephen A. Smith (59:40)

Okay, wait, let me give you some perspective. I don't want to just make it seem like I'm this loser.

Julie Swerbinks (59:44)

Oh, my God.

Stephen A. Smith (59:44)

Let me show you how I earned my check. Okay, so growing up, Stephen A. Would call me. He's two levels upstairs. He's all the way at the top.

Julie Swerbinks (59:54)

Hold on. Hold up. Don't ever call me Stephen. A. What's my name?

Stephen A. Smith (59:56)

What's your name?

Julie Swerbinks (59:57)

Uncle Steve.

Daniel Jeremiah (59:58)

Uncle Steven.

Julie Swerbinks (59:59)

Don't be disrespectful. I will whip your ass.

Stephen A. Smith (60:03)

Employee and employer. Oh.

Julie Swerbinks (60:06)

So we. With my daughters. What do I say, Daddy? One name. You understand? What I'm saying with you is Uncle Steve. Don't ever flip up on me.

Stephen A. Smith (60:12)

So then we are rich.

Julie Swerbinks (60:13)

No, no, Uncle Steve. I got plenty of uncles that have money.

Stephen A. Smith (60:20)

They didn't have it. Like us. Us. Emphasize. But let me get back to my story. Okay, so he's two levels up, like it's a castle or something. I'm in the basement. The cellar. He'll call me all the way upstairs. Can you pass me the cup? Where's the cup? The cup's right there.

Julie Swerbinks (60:37)

Uh, that's a lie.

Stephen A. Smith (60:39)

No, it's not a lie.

Julie Swerbinks (60:39)

He is lying. He is lying. My nephew. Tori.

Daniel Jeremiah (60:43)

Why does it feel like I could see you doing that?

Julie Swerbinks (60:45)

Tory, he knows Goodyear.

Daniel Jeremiah (60:47)

You didn't get to mess with him.

Julie Swerbinks (60:48)

No, that's a lie. That's what my mother, his grandmother, did to me and then ultimately to him. Stay there. Got in the house, and we run from outside, and we went all the way up to. Yes, mom, what's going on? Turn off the light, and it's three feet away. My mother would do something. So he's biting off of that to try to act like I did it when he knows that is not true. And here's the proof. Grandma would have never allowed that. That's a lie.

Daniel Jeremiah (61:10)

Did you do this to create a storyline?

Julie Swerbinks (61:12)

Yes.

Daniel Jeremiah (61:13)

No.

Stephen A. Smith (61:14)

Listen.

Daniel Jeremiah (61:14)

You promise?

Stephen A. Smith (61:15)

I promise.

Daniel Jeremiah (61:16)

Okay. Wow. It's a promise.

Julie Swerbinks (61:17)

Your promises mean nothing.

Daniel Jeremiah (61:19)

So he's a liar.

Julie Swerbinks (61:20)

Of course he will. I won't call him a liar. I won't call him a liar. He will embellish, and he will take his uncle's stuff to go. Would you mind telling her the story about how you would call me and I wouldn't answer the phone, but you let the voicemail be heard by ladies. Do you bring that up?

Daniel Jeremiah (61:37)

Oh, I did my homework. I. I thoroughly remember that part. But it got you through the door, right? In big places, right? But, hey, family.

Julie Swerbinks (61:45)

Hold on, hold on. That is very inconsistent, Tory.

Daniel Jeremiah (61:49)

With what?

Julie Swerbinks (61:50)

With what you just finished talking about in terms of the need for men to be honest. You got this kid here, and now you're saying to him, he got you in the door, didn't it? He got you in the door, didn't it? Excuse me.

Daniel Jeremiah (62:00)

So wait, where am I Defying from.

Julie Swerbinks (62:02)

A previous argument, Are you fine with a man being deceitful to get in the door?

Daniel Jeremiah (62:06)

Is that deceitful or is that a fact that you are a family member?

Julie Swerbinks (62:10)

I'm a family member, but he.

Daniel Jeremiah (62:12)

There's no deceit. Like, where's the deceit? Where's the deceit? He called, he said, my uncle is right here. You gonna believe me? What's up?

Stephen A. Smith (62:22)

These glasses.

Julie Swerbinks (62:23)

I'm just wondering, can we move on. Before we move on to a couple of these other subjects, let's talk about for a second. Before I move on away from sports, you wanted to comment about Jimmy Butler. What possible problem could you have with what I had to say about Jimmy Butler?

Stephen A. Smith (62:37)

I heard Jimmy Butler say he needs to find a joy in basketball. How much he make this year?

Julie Swerbinks (62:44)

49.

Stephen A. Smith (62:45)

49 million.

Julie Swerbinks (62:46)

He's gonna make 52 next season.

Stephen A. Smith (62:49)

Well, give me the money. I'll find the joy. You can't find a joy in 49 million.

Julie Swerbinks (62:54)

Well, is it just about the money? Is it just about the money?

Daniel Jeremiah (63:00)

But after you've already had that right.

Julie Swerbinks (63:01)

Can I tell you a little secret? A little secret? I mean, see, if we were really rich, you would know this. But since we are not really rich, allow me to help you out here. Do you know that when you think about the money, you think about it during contract negotiations. You think about it when you know that it's supposed to be in your bank account. Once you can take for granted that it's going to be there. Do you know that you really never think about your money because you already know you've achieved it. So why? He's not lying. What he's saying is, I know I got the money. I earned it. This is what I brought to the table. They gave me the contract, commiserate with my talents. Cool. But that doesn't take away from the fact that I'm unhappy right now when you got me standing in a corner, when you giving the ball more to some dude named Hayward Heisman than you are with me. Well, letting Tyler Hibb on BAM out of Bio do whatever they want at my expense and you not prioritizing getting me the ball and evolving the offense around me. You trying to tell me that Jimmy Butler don't have a case in that?

Stephen A. Smith (63:56)

I'm trying to tell you that this. If it was Kawhi or somebody like that that y'all didn't like personally, y'all would have a different attitude.

Julie Swerbinks (64:04)

I don't dislike Kawhi, Leonard. I just like the fact that he's never available, but he's always available to get a contract extension and every perk that comes with it. That's what I like, I dislike about Kawhi Leonard.

Stephen A. Smith (64:14)

Well, Jimmy Butler, to me, he shows up in the playoffs and stuff like that. But you make $50 million, you complaining about your role on the floor, you standing in the corner. What about Steph Curry, who shot 8th, 8 from 3 last night?

Julie Swerbinks (64:29)

The Goat, okay, He is the greatest shooter God has ever created.

Stephen A. Smith (64:32)

Greatest player, okay? And the lineup that he plays with, you don't hear him ever complaining. You don't hear him ever trying to demand a trade or demand play as to. He kind of works with what he has.

Daniel Jeremiah (64:43)

But at what point is it about not only your mental health? Because again, to your Uncle Stephen's point, he already knows the money's coming. He's already done it. It's in his bank account. We're good. Now he has a moment to leverage his own power. So, you know, what about that? Not only his mental health, obviously he wants to win championship. He doesn't see it happening with the current players around him. So at what point does he exercise his right to maybe push into that and get a better spot and environment for him to shine as a team?

Julie Swerbinks (65:10)

That question, nephew.

Stephen A. Smith (65:11)

Yeah, I mean, I'm a Knick fan, so what's going on with the Miami Heat doesn't really interest me like that. But to demand a trade when you're making $48 million and you're the guy on your team. Y'all giving him excuses now, this is not the same Stephen A. That judges certain other players. I ain't gonna, you know, pin us against nobody. Cause we rich and we're.

Julie Swerbinks (65:33)

Well, listen, I will say this to you.

Daniel Jeremiah (65:35)

You okay?

Julie Swerbinks (65:35)

I get where you coming from. You're wrong. No pro. No surprise there. But I do get where you're coming from. I would normally be harder. I've known Jimmy Butler for years and I know what his mentality is like. And I watched the Miami Heat get blown out last night by the Indiana Pacers. And I saw him standing in the corner. And I know that's not because of him. That's because of the offense that's being called. And I've seen this on numerous occasions this season. And so if you're not active actively involving him in the fabric of the offense, you're going to get an attitude from Jimmy Butler. Everybody knows that. And so that's where I'm at with it. But let me. Let me transition to the whole Chad Ocho Cinco thing. I'll get into the open relationships in just a second. Josh, what did you have to say about Chad Ocho? I'm scared to damn to ask, but what did you have to say about it?

Stephen A. Smith (66:23)

I mean, it's not so much a comment, it's more a question. Like, what do you say wrong?

Daniel Jeremiah (66:28)

It's not about what's wrong. It's why. Why not say, like, why just not be. Just be quiet.

Stephen A. Smith (66:34)

He's a podcaster, though.

Daniel Jeremiah (66:35)

Yeah, but this wasn't even that moment. It wasn't like he had his shades on was on the podcast. It wasn't that. It was. Look at me. I'm beautiful. I'm beautiful. She left me in my season. Look, you're in your season all day. We understand that. You're a king. Like, you do great. But right now, it's giving. You aren't keeping things private. You feel like you need attention right now from the world. And also, it's also giving. I may have you go to my TikTok right now and check out my skincare routine. Because I'm beautiful. I'm in my season. So, you know, like, what are we doing? What are we doing? Why couldn't we just, like, let it.

Stephen A. Smith (67:09)

Go when y'all find y'all glory in a negative situation? It's woman power and stuff like that.

Daniel Jeremiah (67:15)

I didn't say that, though. You saw where I said. I said, why are we posting screenshots of text messages? Why are we not letting our men be the men that they. They were in our lives? You know, at some point, you were friends. That's my deal, is at some point, you were friends. And why can't you just remember that.

Julie Swerbinks (67:29)

And remember that and respect one another enough to keep your stuff private?

Stephen A. Smith (67:34)

That part I agree.

Julie Swerbinks (67:37)

You agree?

Stephen A. Smith (67:39)

I ain't about to argue with two of y'all. Y'all know what y'all did. Y'all put me on the outside of the couch. I don't got no tea. Y'all agreeing with each other. It's two against one. It's all right. The comments is gone. It's gone. Y'all know what to do, so.

Julie Swerbinks (67:51)

So you know what? When do you ever want tea? See, that's the BS right there. You usually drink.

Stephen A. Smith (67:56)

Nobody even asked.

Julie Swerbinks (67:57)

Whatever. You don't even want them.

Stephen A. Smith (67:58)

I'm not saying I wanted it, but nobody asked.

Julie Swerbinks (67:59)

That's a mantra that's on Sumatra right there. Srimatra didn't ask.

Stephen A. Smith (68:02)

Soda water. I'm over here.

Julie Swerbinks (68:05)

Partial posh. You know Good and damn. Well, your mother would have told you to get your own damn tea. Let me move on to this last second before we get to the callers, because we got some callers on the line and want to holler at us. What was your thoughts about the whole open dating issue? Josh?

Stephen A. Smith (68:20)

It's not an issue.

Julie Swerbinks (68:21)

It's not an issue.

Stephen A. Smith (68:22)

Open dating is not an issue. You's a supporter of it, right?

Daniel Jeremiah (68:25)

Yeah, I mean, I just wanted. I'm just listening. I'm just listening. I just, you know, I'm learning.

Julie Swerbinks (68:28)

She's giving her a pound for me.

Daniel Jeremiah (68:29)

I'm learning about it.

Stephen A. Smith (68:30)

She agrees with me.

Daniel Jeremiah (68:31)

I'm learning about.

Julie Swerbinks (68:32)

I didn't get the impression that you agreed with him.

Daniel Jeremiah (68:34)

Look, I. Whoa, whoa, wait. Okay, here, hold on. I'm in the middle. Okay, we're not gonna do that. But what we are gonna say. Look, I'm. I understand this is. I was bringing you up to speed that this topic is out there. This is happening. This is. Women want this. This is not just men. Women are doing this, too. I just wanted to get your take.

Julie Swerbinks (68:51)

I haven't encountered any woman that. That. That has expressed that desire. I haven't encountered that.

Daniel Jeremiah (68:58)

Okay.

Julie Swerbinks (68:58)

Usually they want monopolization.

Daniel Jeremiah (69:01)

Monopolization.

Julie Swerbinks (69:02)

They want you all to themselves.

Daniel Jeremiah (69:03)

Yeah, I mean, I'm one of the.

Julie Swerbinks (69:05)

Yeah, you bet. Yeah.

Daniel Jeremiah (69:06)

What? An adult.

Stephen A. Smith (69:06)

Oh, y'all talking about open dating, like the woman open to be dating.

Daniel Jeremiah (69:10)

Yeah.

Stephen A. Smith (69:10)

It's not just men. No, I ain't.

Daniel Jeremiah (69:12)

See, look at that. Look at that. See? So what a woman asks, you ain't about it.

Stephen A. Smith (69:17)

No. And the reason why is because we buy our way into being able to do so when we.

Daniel Jeremiah (69:23)

Because you rich, so you buy.

Stephen A. Smith (69:25)

Even when we not rich, though, when you go on a date with somebody, doesn't he have to pay first?

Daniel Jeremiah (69:32)

Yeah.

Stephen A. Smith (69:32)

No matter where you work. Right. Even if you have a great job and you could afford it.

Daniel Jeremiah (69:35)

Wait, is it. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Is it like this. You asked me out on a date, or is it like, hey, we're just meeting up, you know, get to know each other for a moment. Like, we. It's not an established. Like, this is the date.

Stephen A. Smith (69:46)

What if you hungry.

Daniel Jeremiah (69:48)

No, I'm just saying, like, let's establish.

Julie Swerbinks (69:49)

I want to know.

Daniel Jeremiah (69:49)

Josh, are you saying that this is like you asked. If you ask me out on a real date to go eat, then yes. You're gonna pay.

Stephen A. Smith (69:55)

I'm gonna eat and you're gonna eat, too.

Daniel Jeremiah (69:56)

Yeah. And you're gonna pay.

Stephen A. Smith (69:57)

I'm gonna pay because you're rich no matter where you work. I'm gonna pay.

Daniel Jeremiah (70:00)

Yeah, because it's principle. What if I like. What if it's a burrito? What if you know what I mean? Because here's the thing. Here's the thing. It's not about the expectation, okay? Cause I'm not gonna expect it. Cause I'm always gonna come prepared to pay for myself no matter what. But I'm gonna test you, and let's see if he offers.

Stephen A. Smith (70:16)

Why you testing me?

Daniel Jeremiah (70:17)

Because it's parameters. I gotta see where you're at.

Stephen A. Smith (70:19)

So this is where I'm at with it. And you're gonna agree with me.

Daniel Jeremiah (70:21)

You got your own test, don't you? You just sat up here and told us all that you have a series of tests that you have.

Julie Swerbinks (70:27)

I'm disagreeing with looking at him.

Daniel Jeremiah (70:29)

Okay? So, yeah. So I'm gonna show up ready to pay, though.

Julie Swerbinks (70:32)

Period.

Stephen A. Smith (70:32)

Who you? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Daniel Jeremiah (70:33)

And I'm not gonna be entitled, but I'm gonna see how you move.

Stephen A. Smith (70:36)

All right, so what about us testing you? So me, since I'm, you know, Tell.

Daniel Jeremiah (70:40)

Me to go to the bathroom.

Stephen A. Smith (70:41)

Since we're financially stable.

Daniel Jeremiah (70:44)

Okay.

Stephen A. Smith (70:46)

When you take us at. When we go out. When we go out on the first date, it's usually so the guy could prove, like, oh, he has something. He's paying for me to go out. We're gonna eat together.

Daniel Jeremiah (70:56)

Is it.

Stephen A. Smith (70:56)

But with me, why should I let you in on our rich life? You gotta show me why. So when we go out, you gotta pay.

Daniel Jeremiah (71:04)

Wow. Wow.

Julie Swerbinks (71:06)

That's where we're at.

Daniel Jeremiah (71:07)

You should want to pay for my tacos. You should want to pay for my tacos. Tacos, yeah, tacos are great.

Stephen A. Smith (71:12)

Tacos is good.

Daniel Jeremiah (71:12)

But what if it's just tacos? Like, what if it's not something elaborate? Like, what if we're just going to tacos? Like you're not. So here's my thing. Why can't you download Downgrade the date. Why has it gotta be so much like, yo, we're going to the Five Seasons or the Ritz Carlton? Like, downgrade the date.

Julie Swerbinks (71:27)

Grandma is turning over in her.

Stephen A. Smith (71:30)

No, she is now, but could you stop?

Julie Swerbinks (71:32)

Is fine, but state.

Stephen A. Smith (71:34)

Nah, nah, nah, Grandma.

Julie Swerbinks (71:36)

Where do you get this from?

Stephen A. Smith (71:38)

She was pro safe and she raised me in the second half of her.

Julie Swerbinks (71:43)

Yeah, you gotta go to the calls. I can't. I gotta. Hurry up, get out of here. I can't have America listening to him.

Stephen A. Smith (71:49)

He got the early side of Greenland.

Julie Swerbinks (71:50)

Let's go to Caleb in Rochester, New York. You're with Stephen A. Along with my dear friend Tori and of course, my nephew Josh. Go ahead.

Tori Cooper (72:00)

How you doing, Stephen A.

Julie Swerbinks (72:01)

What's up, bro? Go ahead. Talk to me, man.

Tori Cooper (72:04)

I got a relationship question for you.

Julie Swerbinks (72:06)

Go ahead. I'm here.

Tori Cooper (72:07)

All right, so I'm on the East Coast. New York, right?

Julie Swerbinks (72:11)

Yes.

Tori Cooper (72:12)

I've been talking with this girl. West Coast.

Julie Swerbinks (72:15)

Okay.

Tori Cooper (72:15)

Washington.

Julie Swerbinks (72:16)

Okay.

Tori Cooper (72:17)

That's pretty far.

Julie Swerbinks (72:18)

That's six hours. Yes, that's.

Tori Cooper (72:19)

That's far.

Julie Swerbinks (72:20)

Six hours.

Tori Cooper (72:20)

You think, you think, you think we could work out? You think, you think that could work?

Julie Swerbinks (72:24)

Hell no.

Daniel Jeremiah (72:25)

Come on.

Julie Swerbinks (72:26)

Hell no. Listen, long distance, the only way that long distance works is if she doesn't care that much about being with you, okay? And vice versa. If you really, really want each other, then it becomes painful to be apart, which builds frustration. Frustration. Ultimately, animosity isn't far behind. And eventually the heart, you know, absence makes the heart grow fonder, but too much absence makes the heart wander. It's just that simple. I don't understand how. Why are you looking at me like that, Tory?

Daniel Jeremiah (73:10)

Cause I'm in a long distance relationship.

Julie Swerbinks (73:12)

Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Daniel Jeremiah (73:15)

I've been a long distance relationship.

Julie Swerbinks (73:16)

Time out, Time out, Time out. Atlanta.

Daniel Jeremiah (73:18)

Yeah.

Julie Swerbinks (73:19)

New York.

Daniel Jeremiah (73:20)

Right. It's not the same.

Julie Swerbinks (73:21)

It's not the same thing. That is not the same thing.

Daniel Jeremiah (73:24)

It is the same thing, but it still is. Like when you go from having your partner in a certain place, the same place as you, and then you go to a different spot for a little bit, it's an adjustment, but is it.

Julie Swerbinks (73:32)

But it's just for a little bit. Right?

Daniel Jeremiah (73:33)

There's. See, and that's what I was gonna say. There's an. That was a. I was letting you finish with our beautiful, awesome caller here, Caleb. Thank you, Caleb. Look, there has to be an end in sight to the long distance. Otherwise. No.

Julie Swerbinks (73:46)

Otherwise. Stephen is right.

Daniel Jeremiah (73:48)

Yeah. Thank you very much.

Julie Swerbinks (73:49)

Go ahead, Josh. I'm scared to hear the answer, but go ahead.

Stephen A. Smith (73:51)

The only way that it's gonna work is that if the relationship is what we just spoke about. Open, open, Open, too.

Julie Swerbinks (74:00)

What's the difference between open and open? Open, Right?

Stephen A. Smith (74:03)

Open, open, open, Open is. Is what we explained.

Julie Swerbinks (74:07)

She.

Stephen A. Smith (74:07)

She could be in on the openness, too. Just open is when men is like.

Daniel Jeremiah (74:11)

You know, open, Open.

Stephen A. Smith (74:13)

Yeah, Open.

Julie Swerbinks (74:14)

Caleb, does that answer your question?

Tori Cooper (74:17)

Yeah, that answers it.

Julie Swerbinks (74:18)

Thank you, man.

Stephen A. Smith (74:19)

I love the insight.

Julie Swerbinks (74:20)

Appreciate it, man. Thank you so much. Toby in Maryland, you're live with Stephen A and his crew. What's going on, man?

Tori Cooper (74:26)

Hi, I'm calling from Maryland.

Julie Swerbinks (74:29)

How you doing? Everything's female. Go ahead.

Tori Cooper (74:31)

I'm good. I have a question for you.

Julie Swerbinks (74:34)

Yes?

Tori Cooper (74:36)

So how do you feel about the youngest son and the only daughter dynamic? The relationship dynamic?

Julie Swerbinks (74:43)

Youngest son, oldest daughter, only daughter. Only daughter.

Tori Cooper (74:49)

Only daughter.

Julie Swerbinks (74:51)

Let me say this to you. That. That's a problem. That's a problem. Let me explain why. I thought originally you had said the oldest daughter. See, the oldest daughter is usually associated with the matriarch of the family. So she's nurturing everybody. She's raising us like Aunt Linda, you know, stuff like that. You raising us up. You see what I'm saying? So she's used to being a nurturer and to some degree, in control. The youngest is the baby. So they used to be nurtured and used to being babied. So it works. But if he is the youngest and she's the only, both are using the. Be used to being spoiled. And usually there's one with slippage. Because no matter how much spoiling you do, one or the other usually requires more than what they're getting. Who? And because. Well, in most situations, I would tell you it's the only. It's the. It's the girl. It's the only. It's the only child.

Daniel Jeremiah (75:49)

The only child. Yeah, it's the only child.

Julie Swerbinks (75:51)

The only child, which is the girl in this particular instance. She's accustomed because she don't have to share. See, you the youngest, you might be spoiled, but you still understand that there's certain stuff that's doled out for everybody else when you the only. You don't have to share. Everything was yours. So because of that. Oh, hell, no. That. That's a bad situation, Toby. I'm sorry, sweetheart. I mean, that's a bad situation. Go ahead.

Daniel Jeremiah (76:17)

Go ahead. Toby. Are you in this relationship right now? Are you the only child?

Tori Cooper (76:23)

But it's funny. It's not like she's the only child. Get it right? I'm not the only child. I'm the only girl. But I'm the youngest. And the boyfriend. My boyfriend is the youngest son, but he's not the young. He's the second.

Julie Swerbinks (76:36)

You're the last. So see what I'm saying? Now, that's a different thing. Only girl.

Tori Cooper (76:40)

Like only girl.

Julie Swerbinks (76:41)

Yeah, but still an all. It's still. It's still not an only.

Daniel Jeremiah (76:43)

Yeah. So you still different. You still.

Julie Swerbinks (76:45)

You got a chance. It's. It's a better chance.

Daniel Jeremiah (76:47)

Definitely a better chance.

Julie Swerbinks (76:48)

That's a better chance, Josh.

Stephen A. Smith (76:50)

Yeah, it sounds like a good chance.

Julie Swerbinks (76:51)

Sounds like a good chance. Toby, you're in a good situation. You're in a good situation because you got a chance. It's accustomed to sharing, and as long as both sides are accustomed to stuff being shared, the requirements lessen to some.

Stephen A. Smith (77:03)

Degree if the guy is the youngest, though. You dealing with a Stephen A. Let you know that right now.

Julie Swerbinks (77:08)

What's a Stephen A. You.

Stephen A. Smith (77:09)

You the youngest in the house.

Julie Swerbinks (77:10)

I'm just saying. What's a Stephen A. Despoiled.

Stephen A. Smith (77:13)

Go get me this.

Julie Swerbinks (77:15)

How am I spoiled all the time, huh? How am I spoiled? You know your mother and your aunts, when was I spoiled by them? They slap me upside the head and tell me to go do it myself.

Daniel Jeremiah (77:26)

Toby, you go to Parent Pursuit.

Stephen A. Smith (77:27)

I was all in love. Like, it was all, all in love.

Julie Swerbinks (77:30)

Thank you, Toby. Thank you, Toby.

Tori Cooper (77:32)

Can I give a shout out really quick?

Julie Swerbinks (77:34)

Go ahead, real quick.

Tori Cooper (77:35)

Shout out to my dad, Patrick, my boyfriend Olu, and my brother Toby with an I. Toby with a I. Mine is with a Y.

Julie Swerbinks (77:42)

Got you. No problem.

Daniel Jeremiah (77:43)

Thank you. Have a nice day.

Julie Swerbinks (77:44)

Have a nice day. Happy new year. Matthew, S.C. talk to me and the crew. What's going on?

Tori Cooper (77:50)

What's up, guys? How y'all doing today?

Julie Swerbinks (77:53)

We here. We here. What's up?

Tori Cooper (77:55)

So let me. Let me set the stage for you. Stephen A. Smith, right? Let me. Let me set the stage for you. Okay, So a couple years ago, I talked to my boy Steve Harvey, okay, About how to pick up a girl. Because I was clueless, I didn't know how. He gave me some great advice. I used it. Now, I've been married for a few years, okay? And I feel like that we kind of been just doing the same exact thing over and over in the bed. And I want your advice. How do I spice it up in the bedroom? And how do I get like Shannon sharp?

Julie Swerbinks (78:34)

Well, a couple of things. I have no idea what the hell you mean in terms of how do I get like Shannon sharp? Let's get that out the way. I have no clue what you're talking about. Secondly, when you talk about spicing it up in a bedroom, I think it's important to ask a certain question. Work with me here, Tory. I think. I think it's important to ask a couple questions. Number one, is she complaining about the lack of spice? It's a good question, Matthew. Is she complaining about the lack of spice?

Tori Cooper (79:05)

I mean, I think.

Julie Swerbinks (79:07)

I mean, I asked you a direct question. You know the answer to that. Question. What's up with the studying, the stuttering, rather, and. And wiggling your way around? Ask you a direct question. Is she.

Tori Cooper (79:18)

I mean, she's not complaining. I'm just saying that I would love to spice it up a little bit more.

Julie Swerbinks (79:24)

Okay, What I'm saying to you is this. If she's not complaining, then you're confident she's satisfied.

Tori Cooper (79:31)

I mean, she's satisfied.

Julie Swerbinks (79:33)

I'm satisfied. I said she's satisfied. I said you're confident she's satisfied. Correct?

Tori Cooper (79:39)

Correct.

Julie Swerbinks (79:39)

Okay, then anything you do that's different is gonna help you out because it's a deviation. Unless it doesn't work. Now you try something new and it don't work, that would be problematic.

Daniel Jeremiah (79:49)

Sounds like he's the one that wants to spice it up. She, you know, she's good. It's been established in this conversation. That's what I'm getting from you, Matthew. Is that correct? You're the one that wants to spice it up. You're feeling like it's getting predictable.

Tori Cooper (80:01)

Exactly.

Daniel Jeremiah (80:02)

Okay, okay, okay, okay. So. But keep in mind, this is someone who expects a certain show from you every time. So if you deviate, they're gonna ask where this this is coming from. Where is this coming from?

Julie Swerbinks (80:13)

That's true.

Daniel Jeremiah (80:14)

Where is this coming from?

Julie Swerbinks (80:15)

Where have you been? Very, very accurate.

Daniel Jeremiah (80:17)

Did you get this from the Internet?

Julie Swerbinks (80:18)

Yes.

Daniel Jeremiah (80:19)

Did you get this from testing it out somewhere else?

Julie Swerbinks (80:21)

Yes.

Daniel Jeremiah (80:21)

Why are you interested in this now? I'm gonna call my friend. So you're opening up. You know, I think it's always better to have an open.

Julie Swerbinks (80:27)

Cause she's saying open communication first about it. Did you hear what Tori's saying?

Daniel Jeremiah (80:30)

Open communication first. Okay.

Julie Swerbinks (80:32)

You know what she's saying, right, Matthew? She's saying that the minute you deviate, the minute you deviate from the norm, you're going to raise antennas, slash suspicions. Where you get this from? What you doing? Who you been doing it with? Where you been? You feel me?

Tori Cooper (80:48)

Yeah, I feel you. I just want to. I want to raise the bar to the next level.

Daniel Jeremiah (80:53)

You can, but you got to talk about it first, Matthew.

Julie Swerbinks (80:55)

You got to talk about it first.

Daniel Jeremiah (80:56)

You got to say, hey, I love you. I just have something to say.

Julie Swerbinks (80:59)

Why are you looking like that?

Stephen A. Smith (81:00)

Cause y'all. Y'all coming down on the court.

Daniel Jeremiah (81:04)

What?

Stephen A. Smith (81:05)

Matthew, Matthew, Matthew.

Julie Swerbinks (81:09)

What's that look?

Stephen A. Smith (81:09)

I thought he hung up.

Julie Swerbinks (81:10)

No, no, he's.

Stephen A. Smith (81:10)

They. They don't understand. They don't understand where you coming from. You tried to break it down two different times. It's about him wanting to be better and y'all still crashing down on him.

Daniel Jeremiah (81:21)

No, we support it. We just didn't support it.

Julie Swerbinks (81:22)

No, it's about him wanting better.

Stephen A. Smith (81:25)

One better. What?

Julie Swerbinks (81:26)

Meaning wanting better? He wants more. He wants more spice.

Stephen A. Smith (81:29)

Yeah, he just wanted. You said you want to spice it up, right?

Julie Swerbinks (81:33)

Go watch.

Stephen A. Smith (81:34)

I mean, go watch. Go watch Stephen A's show two episodes ago and see what I told y'all to do on Tinder. Meet another one and add it to the bedroom.

Daniel Jeremiah (81:45)

Wow. Here we go. Yeah, but I said, you know, you said facts.

Stephen A. Smith (81:50)

That's what I'm talking about.

Daniel Jeremiah (81:50)

Matthew, don't take this advice.

Julie Swerbinks (81:53)

Don't listen to that advice, bro.

Daniel Jeremiah (81:54)

Thank you.

Julie Swerbinks (81:55)

Matthew, don't do it.

Stephen A. Smith (81:56)

Don't do it.

Julie Swerbinks (81:56)

Don't do it. You going.

Stephen A. Smith (81:58)

Trust me, trust me.

Julie Swerbinks (81:59)

You going to be ready to one you. You're going to want to throw a single pretty soon. Take it easy, Matthew. Thanks a lot, man. Two more callers left. Let's go to Kyrie in Maryland. You're live with Stephen A and the crew. What's going on, Kyrie?

Tori Cooper (82:11)

Stephen A. Stephen A.

Julie Swerbinks (82:12)

What's good?

Tori Cooper (82:12)

How you doing? Happy New Year.

Julie Swerbinks (82:13)

First of all, talk to me. What's up?

Tori Cooper (82:15)

So, you know we've been watching you on TV for a long time now, right? So I'm quoting. I'm quoting your nephew Josh. He said, you gotta find someone to be owed with you. So my question is, have you? You don't gotta say the name. We just want a yes or no. And the second part of that question, you know, it's 2025.

Julie Swerbinks (82:41)

I believe I found out to answer your first question, but go ahead. What's your second question?

Tori Cooper (82:44)

Okay, second question. It's 2025. Can we expect a Stephen A pop out with the person he is being owed with?

Julie Swerbinks (82:53)

Mate, I have been seen with my lady on several occasions. I just don't advertise. Oh, this is my lady. You see us holding hands together? Walking. Walking in public places at events and things of that nature. She has been with me. I haven't hidden or anything like that. I don't do that. You're either with me or you not.

Tori Cooper (83:15)

Okay, I feel it. I feel it. So you want to just keep it private?

Julie Swerbinks (83:17)

No. No, I don't. You know why? Because God forbid we break up and we ain't together, you know, you get with somebody else. Oh, that's Stephen A's ex. See, that's the kind of I don't like. You understand what I'm saying? Why can't it just Be her. Why I got to be. Oh, that's Stephen A's ex. I don't play that stuff respectable. I. I don't, I don't. You know, I will treat you with respect, courtesy or whatever, but once we done, we done. I'm not deferring to you, I'm not referencing you. I'm not pointing out that you used to be with me. I don't want anybody else doing that, etc. Etc. Either with me or you not.

Tori Cooper (83:50)

That's how you don't want your name attached to them. Yeah.

Julie Swerbinks (83:53)

If you don't want your name attached.

Tori Cooper (83:54)

To them, if they break up with me.

Julie Swerbinks (83:56)

Unless you're with me. Yeah. I've often said this. I've often said this. I'm not hiding anything, but I've often said this.

Daniel Jeremiah (84:01)

This.

Julie Swerbinks (84:02)

You'll definitively know who I'm with when she's Mrs. Stephen A. Smith. Why are you advertising how many relationships that have been out there where you walking around and you're advertising this is the person that you with and then she ends up with somebody else. And you in the news because of somebody else's business has nothing to do with you. Because you ain't no longer with the person but you in the news. I don't want no parts of that. I don't. I don't discuss it. I don't debate it. I'm not review. I don't. I don't play that nonsense. I can't stand people that get into people, People's personal business. Of all the years that I've been a reportatory, all the years I've been a reporter, I don't get into people's personal. I got my man Galen over there, Samatra and everything. I don't get into people's personal business. I stay. My nephew knows this. If you basketball, football, boxing, whatever, into your stuff. I'm talking about your profession. Or if you end up in the police blotters, I have to talk about that. That's a matter of public information. If it's private, it's none of my business. No matter what I've seen or heard, I keep it moving. It's none of my business.

Tori Cooper (84:57)

I respect it.

Julie Swerbinks (84:58)

Good with that, Tory?

Daniel Jeremiah (84:59)

Well, yeah, that's all I have for you about you. I would say that's what I would hope that everyone watching would take that and move like that because especially the men that are in high places. Because you will get so much more respect from the women around you if you move like that.

Julie Swerbinks (85:14)

Amen. What you shaking Your head for.

Stephen A. Smith (85:16)

Cause you just started claiming me. They wanna know who your girlfriend is. He got family? He don't even really claim yet like that. You gotta work your way in with him. Him, right. Who pass that down.

Julie Swerbinks (85:26)

Hell with him. Don't leave me.

Daniel Jeremiah (85:28)

Hang the girl.

Julie Swerbinks (85:28)

Is that for him? Cole. Last caller. Cole in Michigan, you live with Stephen A. What's up, Cole?

Tori Cooper (85:34)

Mr. Smith, how's it going, man?

Julie Swerbinks (85:35)

I'm all right. I'm waiting for this show to end because my nephew's getting on my damn nerves, but go ahead.

Tori Cooper (85:40)

Yeah, I mean, I be. He'd be getting on my nerves too.

Julie Swerbinks (85:44)

If I were you.

Stephen A. Smith (85:46)

Nephew, kids, all the stuff.

Tori Cooper (85:49)

Come on. No, I'm playing.

Julie Swerbinks (85:51)

Thank you, guys. Go ahead.

Tori Cooper (85:53)

First, sir. Thank you guys for your time and congratulations on a million. Stephen A.

Julie Swerbinks (85:58)

Thank you, man.

Tori Cooper (86:01)

So I called in, I saw your tweet you're asking about. You were talking about relationship stuff. You wanted questions for that. So my question for you is, and same with Josh. I don't know Josh's background, but, you.

Julie Swerbinks (86:14)

Know, you obviously don't want to know Josh's background. Go ahead.

Tori Cooper (86:18)

Yeah, okay. Okay.

Julie Swerbinks (86:20)

Why?

Tori Cooper (86:20)

What's Josh?

Julie Swerbinks (86:21)

No one know. Just keep it moving. Go ahead.

Tori Cooper (86:24)

Okay. So being as successful as you are, traveling as much as you are, you know, how do you keep healthy relationships? How do you. How do you manage relationships?

Julie Swerbinks (86:34)

Well, first of all, I don't travel as much as I used to. When I did travel that that much, I refrained from having relationships because I know I couldn't be as honorable as I would. It would be compelled to be. If I'm traveling 200 plus days out of the year, that's number one. Number two, now that I travel significantly less, it's a lot easier. But I would tell you, listen, nobody's perfect. And we get that. And especially us trifling ass men, sometimes we do the wrong things. That's all true. But there is never an excuse to be emotionally dishonest. To let somebody know how you. You feel. If you ain't happy, say so. If you're not turned on, say so. If you need more excitement, say so. If somebody is not, the conversations are not stimulating enough or the sex ain't working, or, you know, they ain't working hard enough, or they're not supportive of you and your goals, your ambitions, whatever it may be. There is never an excuse for not letting somebody know how you feel. Because when you let somebody know how you feel, they can deduce what's inevitable. If you let them know where you stand and that is the rule that I've religiously followed. Go ahead, Tori.

Daniel Jeremiah (87:48)

Yeah, I would say the exact same thing. You have to communicate over. Communicate. And otherwise you're not going to have any stability in your relationship. You're not going to go know where you stand in your relationship if you're not, because you're going to pick up on where the person's. What the person's feeling. And if they don't say it now, you're creating a rift between the two of you. But that's the only way to have a cohesive partnership, is through communication.

Julie Swerbinks (88:10)

Josh, I'm gonna.

Stephen A. Smith (88:12)

Okay, I'm really starting to believe that I speak for the people that really don't care about their relationship stuff, because it's what's in it for us.

Julie Swerbinks (88:22)

Who's us?

Daniel Jeremiah (88:23)

The men.

Stephen A. Smith (88:24)

Men? Cause I'm speaking for men. You, like in the middle? Cause you know, just.

Daniel Jeremiah (88:29)

He's doing a good job. But I feel like it's genuine. I feel like it's genuine.

Stephen A. Smith (88:33)

It is genuine. Trust me, it is genuine.

Daniel Jeremiah (88:34)

Okay. All right.

Julie Swerbinks (88:35)

I was raised by five women. He knows it's genuine.

Stephen A. Smith (88:37)

Me too.

Julie Swerbinks (88:38)

Go ahead. Where are we? No, you weren't.

Stephen A. Smith (88:40)

No, you weren't in the same house.

Julie Swerbinks (88:41)

Yeah, but no, you weren't. You weren't. At first of all, you weren't in the same house. You was living on 214th Street. Stop that. Okay? That's number one. Number two, you know, Grandma shielded you from all of that stuff. All right, all right. And you were around me more than you were around your. So stop it.

Stephen A. Smith (88:56)

I was around you. We'll talk about some. Yeah, listen, he ain't everything he cracking up to be. I'm not understanding. He's the 60 year old version of me. Maybe in 25 years I'll tone it down, but for now, I'm 57. When you're in these relationships, I just don't feel like it's much in it for us. We gotta pay for everything. If somebody breaks into the house, he ain't gonna wake you up and be like, yo, figure that out. That's me in the light of danger.

Daniel Jeremiah (89:25)

That's true. I mean, not to laugh about it, but yes, this is what I'm saying. You are expected to do something about it.

Stephen A. Smith (89:29)

So can y'all answer that for me? Like, what's in it for like. And don't give me the corny oh, she's gonna love you. And no, what's in it for us? Cause we know what's in it for y'all. You looking for somebody to pay half the bills at least, or sometimes all of it. Right? That's what you told me in the car the other day.

Daniel Jeremiah (89:42)

He told me I'm not the right person to ask that question. Cause I pay for my bills. Okay, you pay for all your bills? I pay for all my bills.

Stephen A. Smith (89:50)

With the boyfriend.

Daniel Jeremiah (89:50)

With a boyfriend. Yeah. We had that tough conversation early on.

Julie Swerbinks (89:54)

Oh.

Daniel Jeremiah (89:54)

He said, there's no expectation here. There's no entitlement. And I said, look, you still gotta want to buy my tacos.

Julie Swerbinks (90:03)

He's misconstruing my point. His whole thing is that when I talked about paying all the bills, I'm not talking about all of her bills. I'm talking about in my home, in my habitat.

Daniel Jeremiah (90:13)

Okay?

Julie Swerbinks (90:14)

This is. I'm living like this. So in other words, I'm not looking for a woman to come along and pay bills where I'm living. Yeah, no, where I lived. This is. This is my. And I'm. And. And obviously I believe it's going to be upgraded enough where, you know, it's going to be up to snuff and. Yeah, you know, you'll want to be there too. But the point is that I'm going to take care of me and I'm going to take care of anybody in my habitat. That doesn't mean I'm going to go outside and take care of your stuff. That's not what I said.

Stephen A. Smith (90:44)

So he's missing.

Daniel Jeremiah (90:45)

So you see what he said? He pretty much just said it again.

Stephen A. Smith (90:48)

He's missing a whole. He's saying in my. My me, if you in a house with your woman, it's our house, right?

Daniel Jeremiah (90:56)

Yeah. Yeah. You move together, but sometimes you're not always living together.

Stephen A. Smith (91:00)

No, we not talking about that. If we living together, you trying to be funny. If we living together, we splitting the bills. That's it. I'm not even getting a girl. That can't help.

Daniel Jeremiah (91:09)

Okay.

Stephen A. Smith (91:09)

Or I'm not gonna get a girl.

Daniel Jeremiah (91:10)

Okay. Yeah, no, I respect that.

Stephen A. Smith (91:14)

Hell no.

Julie Swerbinks (91:18)

Stop passing it. Stop it. Listen, I gotta get on out of here. He knows it's not. He wasn't raised this way. He was not raised this way. You understand? And. And this is the thing. You asked the question. I'll end the show by saying this. You ask, what is it? What. What's in it for a man? A relationship, marriage, all of that stuff. A. It depends on the right woman. But if you have the right woman, one that communicates with you, one that takes care of the things you don't want to take care of. That enables you to be positioned to take care of the things that you have to take care of. Now, let me explain. If Uncle Steve is about paying bills, right? Well, I want to pay bills. So when I come home, I don't feel like cooking, I don't feel like cleaning, I don't feel like doing a whole bunch of domesticated household stuff, because I have no desire to do that. Because I've been working all day handling my business. If we have that understanding and she takes care of that, that's a lot that's off my shoulders that I don't have to be concerned about because she handles my business on that personal level. And that enables me to do all the things that I want to do without having to be preoccupied, occupied time wise with a whole bunch of domesticated obligations. Because I have nobody at home to do that for me. Not to mention the fact that I ain't got to go out and look for nothing that I want in between the sheets, because it's right there. So I got all of that going on for me, too. You understand? A partner, that that does matter.

Daniel Jeremiah (92:43)

So this is what you get out of it.

Julie Swerbinks (92:45)

That's what you get out of it.

Daniel Jeremiah (92:46)

What's your impression?

Stephen A. Smith (92:47)

Y'all want to know what I got?

Daniel Jeremiah (92:48)

Yeah. What do you get out of it?

Stephen A. Smith (92:49)

So everybody be careful.

Daniel Jeremiah (92:51)

I know, right? Even opened up the can of words, right? I guess we'll let him say it, right?

Stephen A. Smith (92:55)

So everybody always asks, like, is Steven a really your uncle? Cause you know, his hair and this and that. I'm like, what's wrong with his hair? My hairline has nothing to do with hereditary.

Daniel Jeremiah (93:09)

Ooh.

Stephen A. Smith (93:10)

Women did this.

Daniel Jeremiah (93:11)

Whoa. I was about to say. Cause I've only seen you with a hat on. I've only seen you with a hat on until this moment.

Julie Swerbinks (93:17)

Women.

Stephen A. Smith (93:17)

I've been bald. Cause I was 22.

Daniel Jeremiah (93:22)

So you just had.

Stephen A. Smith (93:22)

I'm walking off now. Y'all got me exposing myself. Come get this microphone.

Julie Swerbinks (93:28)

I hope y'all enjoyed the show. Stephen. They sign it off. Until next time. That's it, y'all.

Greg Rosenthal (93:39)

What's up, everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal, and I'm teaming up with the king of spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say this, that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101 free agents, we'll have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday, keeping you up to date. As we head to the NFL Draft, listen to 40s and free agents starting on March 6th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Julie Swerbinks (94:10)

What's up everyone? Julie Swerbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson. We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go. The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb. Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?

Daniel Jeremiah (94:26)

Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us.

Julie Swerbinks (94:30)

Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe. Listen to Energy Line with Nate and.

Daniel Jeremiah (94:36)

Jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.