TRUMP CAUSES KNICKS GAME 3 LOSS; DONNA BRAZILE; TIM BURCHETT; PREVIEW PANEL WITH GARY CHAMBERS JR. AND OFFICER BRANDON TATUM

Summary

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Episode Title: TRUMP CAUSES KNICKS GAME 3 LOSS; Donna Brazile; Tim Burchett; Preview Panel with Gary Chambers Jr. and Officer Brandon Tatum
Release Date: June 11, 2026
Host: Stephen A. Smith
Guests: Donna Brazile, Rep. Tim Burchett, Gary Chambers Jr., Officer Brandon Tatum

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Episode Overview

This episode of Straight Shooter with Stephen A. Smith veers "beyond the world of sports" into the heart of American politics, ongoing geopolitical challenges, socioeconomic debates, and the intersection of pop culture and national discourse. The central spark throughout is the recent NBA Finals Game 3—where President Donald Trump's attendance at Madison Square Garden is blamed (with tongue-in-cheek but real frustration) for the Knicks’ loss, setting the stage for a series of sharp political and cultural discussions.

Major segments feature intense exchanges with political strategist Donna Brazile and Tennessee Representative Tim Burchett, and conclude with a preview panel (the full conversation to be released separately) between activist Gary Chambers, Jr. and conservative media personality Officer Brandon Tatum.

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Main Themes & Purpose

• Sports Meets Politics: How President Trump's high-profile appearance at an NBA Finals game leads to a humorous but pointed debate about political influence, responsibility, and public spectacle.
• America’s Political Landscape: Deep dives into the Democratic party’s state, GOP divisions, and the national mood with Donna Brazile.
• Washington’s Underbelly: Rep. Tim Burchett lifts the lid on political fundraising, congressional incentives, war, and even UFOs.
• Race, Policy, and People: Gary Chambers and Officer Brandon Tatum provide passionate, contrasting perspectives on race, opportunity, gerrymandering, and the real-life impact of policy.
• Civic Engagement: Calls for cross-aisle communication, transparency, and integrity in government.

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Detailed Breakdown

1. Knicks, Trump, and the Power of Mojo

[01:04-20:23]

• Stephen A. on the Knicks’ Loss:

  • Blames President Trump's historic attendance for causing the cancellation of the outdoor watch party, disrupting the "mojo" and momentum (“You need all the luck you can get ... That was the one place that I did not think ... the President of the United States should come to, because the congestion was incredibly obvious.” — Stephen A. Smith, [03:14])
  • Frames his criticism as sports superstition, not politics: “With sports comes superstition. Every little thing matters. Don’t interrupt the flow. … But the President wanted to get personal. I’m not going to do that. I respect the office.” ([08:35])

• Trump Responds:

  • Clips and social posts where Trump calls Stephen A. a "low IQ individual," says he'd get "laughed out of politics," but once called him “a good guy... a smart guy. I love watching him. He’s got great entertainment skills.” (Clips at [01:11], [07:41], and [20:01])
  • Stephen A. holds the line: “I will not disrespect this man on a personal level … I have no interest in being the President of the United States of America … But those one-liners you threw at Hillary … you try that with me, you think those one-liners are gonna work, you got another thing coming.” ([10:32])

• Memorable Quote:

  "I was just talking about the Knicks. But since you wanted to go beyond all of that and get real personal, I want to be very clear: I have no interest in being President of the United States of America. My life is pretty damn good." – Stephen A. Smith ([12:33])

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2. Donna Brazile Interview — State of the Democratic Party

[29:51-55:52]

• Trump at the Supreme Court:

  • Brazile downplays Trump's presence at birthright citizenship arguments: “I don’t think his appearance made any difference... Maybe he just wanted to get outside the White House while it's under construction and get a little fresh air…” ([30:33])

• Democratic Party Rebuilding:

  • Addresses party's losses in 2024 (“It was a failure of imagination ... You cannot run 20th century campaigns in the 21st century.” — [34:42])
  • Urges rebuilding “state by state” and winning down-ballot races: “We got to focus on these campaigns in the states. And over the last year, Democrats have been able to flip over 30 special elections—Republicans zero.” ([35:27])

• The Center Cannot Hold?

  • “When the Democrats go too far left, many voters feel left out.” — Stephen A. asks if the party listens ([37:58]).
  • Brazile: “The majority of Americans are not registered Democrats or Republicans. They are independent, unaffiliated voters. They're looking for common sense politicians ... not firebrands. ... America's not looking for hot sauce; they're looking for someone who can deliver.” ([38:17])

• Immigration and ICE:

  • On Biden: “[There was] migration crisis all over the world. It was a failure of imagination to understand that something was happening.” ([45:01])
  • On ICE: “Made a complete nightmare … without proper training, without the proper protocols… [ICE] operated without humanity.” ([46:52])

• On Reaching Across the Aisle:

  • “Sometimes you have to cross the aisle — you don't have to sell out, just know why you go to the table.” ([43:17])
  • Recounts loss of her “black card” for working with President George W. Bush after Katrina: “I’m not betraying you. I’m just trying to make sure... people have a road home back to the best city and the best coast in America.” ([43:44])

• Black Voters & Political Accountability:

  • On party’s relationship to the Black vote: “Yes and no. … I still dislike the fact that Democratic candidates come to the black community six weeks before election day. … Start talking to us now. Engage with us now.” ([53:11])
  • “Black women: we’re the backbone of the Democratic Party.” — Donna Brazile ([54:09])

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3. Interview with Rep. Tim Burchett — Inside the Swamp

[59:30-94:45]

• Congressional Fundraising Exposed:

  • On committee “dues”: “To move up... you gotta either kiss a lot of ass or—and raise a lot of money. You have to do both.” ([62:19])
  • “For a committee, probably two or three million dollars … It has nothing to do with ability.” ([63:15])
  • “I eat peanut butter and jelly for supper … I sleep in my office on a couch.” ([63:03])

• On War, Iran, and "Crooked" Washington:

  • On Trump’s threats (“a whole civilization will die”): “It's a negotiating style... He comes on strong so he can pull back.” ([60:30])
  • On endless war: “Anytime we're involved in any conflict... we're just one step away from, ‘hey, we need to bring some troops in to monitor something.’” ([64:47])
  • “Washington is full of war pimps. They love war because they’re portfolio warriors.” ([72:05])

• Corruption & Stock Trades:

  • “Members of Congress own stock in these [defense] companies … Don't think that you're dealing with an honorable bunch in either party.” ([73:04])
  • On insider trading: “You're technically a member of the media—I don't want to curse you like that—but the number one thing in the media people ought to be about is disclosure and transparency." ([78:49])

• Big Oil & Subsidies:

  • “We give oil companies billions in subsidies every year ... that's not capitalism. That's subsidized socialism.” ([80:19])

• Personal Motivation:

  • “Why am I here? Because I stand on some pretty cool shoulders. ... The America that they [my parents] fought for is worth fighting for.” ([83:49])

• On UFOs:

  • “If they would just release what I was briefed on just a couple weeks ago … it's too much... But Trump’s the guy to do it. If anybody’s a disruptor, it’s Donald J. Trump.” ([90:02], [91:09])

• On Term/Age Limits & Civic Duty:

  • “You’re going to have to get Congress to vote to limit themselves and neither party will do that.”
  • “Put enough dadgum points on the board where they can't steal the game.” ([93:13])
  • Memorable sign-off:

    "If you don't get off that airplane and walk up to that Capitol every week and get chills, you need to put your ass back on that plane and go home." — Rep. Tim Burchett ([74:03])

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4. Panel Preview: Gary Chambers Jr. vs. Officer Brandon Tatum

[95:58-107:43]

• On Trump’s Foreign Policy:

  • Officer Tatum: “Donald Trump has never gotten us into an endless war like Afghanistan or Iraq … I do believe that Donald Trump is going to get us out of this [Iran] war. … Let the man prove himself.” ([96:49])

• Economic Fallout of Iran:

  • Chambers: “The retaliation from Iran is economic … They are forcing the American people to have an economic pressure right now that may cost Donald Trump the midterm elections.” ([99:03])

• Race, Representation, and Policy:

  • Chambers: “A conservative majority Supreme Court is stripping away power from black people to serve in Congress.” ([99:20])
  • Tatum: “It ain’t about race. … Donald Trump did more for black people than Barack Obama could ever dream of.” ([102:08])
  • Debate over gerrymandering and whether current policies truly help or hinder black communities.
  • Chambers points to white supremacy’s party switch, arguing many modern white supremacists operate as Republicans (“Steve Bannon ... Stephen Miller ... Project 2025 ... in the Republican Party”). ([107:12])

• Stephen A.’s Mediation:

  • “When we sit up there and say ... decisions had to be addressed because people were making decisions based on race ... that’s because the side in power was exploiting it at every turn.” ([104:37])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Stephen A. Smith

  • “[To Trump] You’re a Knicks fan, hop on board and do what it takes. Don’t compromise the momentum we built.” ([08:49])
  • “With sports comes superstition. Every little thing matters. Don’t interrupt the flow.” ([08:41])
  • “If you handed me the presidency and said pick one, that’s a different animal. But to tell me that I got to give up what I worked decades to earn just to campaign for office, I’m not doing it.” ([13:25])

• Donna Brazile

  • “The majority of Americans ... are independent, unaffiliated voters. They want pragmatic, common sense, authentic politicians.” ([38:17])
  • “If we fail to take back one or both branches … it’s going to be very difficult for 2028. This is the year the Democratic Party has to focus on not only winning down-ballot races, but ... rebuilding.” ([36:56])
  • “Yes, black people, especially black women ... we’re the backbone of the Democratic Party.” ([54:09])

• Rep. Tim Burchett

  • “There’s really only two ways to move up [in Congress]. And I’m going to be blunt. You gotta either kiss a lot of ass and raise a lot of money.” ([62:19])
  • “Washington is full of war pimps. They love war because they’re portfolio warriors.” ([72:05])
  • “If you don’t get off that airplane, sir, and walk up to that Capitol every week and get chills, you need to put your ass back on that plane and go home.” ([74:03])

• Gary Chambers Jr.

  • “White supremacy is what I’m against. ... They were Democrats in the beginning, they're Republicans today. ... Steve Bannon and the likes of those folks are in the Republican Party.” ([107:12])

• Officer Brandon Tatum

  • “Donald Trump did more for black people than Barack Obama could ever dream of.” ([102:08])
  • “It’s about whether a person can represent the constituency or not. Are they effective, are they not?” ([102:08])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trump/Knicks Debacle & Stephen A. Monologue: [01:04–23:00]
• Donna Brazile Interview: [29:51–55:52]
• Rep. Tim Burchett Interview: [59:30–94:45]
• Panel Preview (Chambers Jr. & Tatum): [95:58–107:43]

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Summary Takeaways

• Fusion of Sports and Politics: Stephen A.’s blend of sports superstition, New York loyalty, and political critique set the stage for a multi-layered analysis of American culture, leadership, and dysfunction.
• Political Insiders Speak Out: Donna Brazile provides an insider’s perspective on the Democratic Party’s need to reconnect locally, while Tim Burchett exposes bipartisan corruption and the self-serving architecture of Congress.
• Unvarnished Debates: The preview panel boils over with deep disagreements about the legacy of race, representation, opportunity, and who truly serves the Black community and the nation at large.
• Cross-ideological Civic Duty: Despite all division, there's a recurring call for transparency, cross-aisle communication, and the need for America’s institutions to earn back the public’s trust.

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For the full debate between Gary Chambers Jr. and Officer Brandon Tatum, Stephen A. directs listeners to his YouTube channel where the complete conversation will air.

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[Representative Tim Burchett]

talked about running for president, said he would blame you if the Knicks lost the game.

[Stephen A. Smith]

How do you respond to that?

[Donald Trump (via clip)]

I think he's a nice guy, but you need a certain aptitude to run for president. You need a high iq. I'm not sure that Stephen has that. I don't think he does, actually.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Welcome to this latest edition of Straight Shooter with yours truly, Stephen A. Coming at you every Wednesday night from 6 to 8pm Eastern Standard Time over the airwaves of SiriusXM POTUS radio, channel 124. That was the President of the United States talking about yours truly because he's a frustrated individual, no doubt about that. He doesn't like having the finger pointed at him, the finger of blame. He doesn't like it when folks point out some of the things that he does that are not positive and is not having a positive impact on American citizens or in this case, an NBA team. No doubt about that. We all understand that. And so the latest salvo thrown in my direction came courtesy of the President of the United States. Just to rehash and to educate and to let everybody know. I want to make sure everybody understands. Game three took place Monday night at Madison Square Garden in New York City. The New York Knicks were hosting the San Antonio spurs for the NBA Finals. I spoke out against the President because the president was coming to the game. No sitting president, ladies and gentlemen. Just to rehash, make sure that we're clear. No sitting president has ever attended the NBA Finals. Not one. And you know something? I would not have minded if Trump was the first sitting president to attend the Finals. If it were not in New York City, but in New York City, where eight and a half million people reside, where congestion should be its middle name, that was the one place that I did not think that the new. That the President of the United States should come to, because the congestion was incredibly obvious. Not only that, you were going to have heightened security, you were going to have people that were delayed. Whether it's in the cabs, whether it's coming out of the train stations, whether it's lines coming into the arena, et cetera, et cetera. Not to mention the watch parties. Central Park, Bryant park, and of course, outside of Madison Square Garden, where anywhere from six to over 7,000 people were expected to descend upon Madison Square Garden, outside of it, to have a watch party. Why does that matter? Because when you're a team that hasn't been to the finals in 27 years, when you're a team that hasn't had a chance to legitimately at a championship in 32 years, since 1994, when you're a team that literally hasn't won a championship since 1973, ladies and gentlemen, you need all the luck you can get. And these watch parties and this fervor and this rabid following by its fan base propelling this team to heights unseen and unpredicted was a big damn deal. It mattered. And I knew that the President coming would force the party to be eradicated. And sure enough, it was. It was canceled. And the New York Knicks lost, which was exactly and precisely my fear. That's what I was worried about. And that's exactly what happened. So I spoke out before the President appeared to say he shouldn't come. I begged for him not to come. And then after the New York Knicks lost the damn game, I made it very, very clear before the game and after. I was pointing the finger at him. At him. I wasn't talking politics. I wasn't talking policy. I was. I was simply saying, yo, you're a native New Yorker. You were 23 years of age when they won their title in 1970 and Willis Reed walked out of that tunnel. You were 26 years old when Walt Clyde Frazier led them in a Game 7 win over the Los Angeles Lakers. And Jerry west, you were alive and thriving as a business owner and entrepreneur at age 26. The last time the New York Knicks won a title. What are you doing? And he turned that into something else. He wanted to attack my aptitude and my low iq, all right? And you saw what he said. But then he wakes up this morning, ladies and gentlemen, at 6:30 in the morning. For all we know, he did this sitting on a toilet. And what does he say? Quote, stephen A. Smith is an arrogant fool, a low IQ individual. In other words, he's dumb as a rock and totally unqualified to ever think of running for high political office, or even low political office, for that matter. He'd get annihilated in the debate by the most incompetent of politicians. Joe Biden's now, quote, unquote, fabled performance would look great by comparison to anything that this loudmouth huckster has to offer, which isn't much. Within a few weeks, they'd laugh him out of politics, end quote. That was the President, Donald Trump on his truth social platform. Couple of reminders for the president that he might want to think about before he continues taking this path. Number one, Mr. President, didn't they say that about you in 2015, Warren? Pundits laughing on the air. Didn't they underestimate you? I believe I recall them doing so. I believe that's what happened. But number two, and to my team, have this clip ready right here. Wasn't it you, Mr. President, that showed up on the Chris Cuomo show on News Nation about a year ago and said that you would like me to run? Wasn't that you? I believe that was you talking about me running for president. Y' all don't believe me? Check it out. Do you have any advice for Stephen A.

[Donald Trump (via clip)]

If he launches the run?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

No.

[Donald Trump (via clip)]

Stephen A. Is. He's a good guy. He's a smart guy. I love watching him. He's got great entertainment skills, which is very important. People watch him. You know, a lot of these Democrats I watch, I say they have no chance. I've been pretty good at picking people and picking candidates, and I will tell you, I'd love to see him run.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So you see right there, that's what he said. But now, a year later, because I had it, temerity, the unmitigated goal to call him out for being selfish and narcissistic and not looking out for New Yorkers. He's a Knicks fan. He knows about the suffering he has suffered, rooting for the New York Knicks himself because I called them out for inconvenience in the momentum that we had built in en route to entering Game 3 for the NBA Finals. I'm a fool. He actually called me arrogant. You of all people will call somebody arrogant. Really, Mr. President, that's where you going. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm focused on the Knicks. I don't give a damn that this is a political show. I'm focused on the Knicks. Right now, all that's on my mind is on Knicks winning the title. I've been starving 53 years for the New York Knicks to win. My focus with Donald Trump is pure and simple, whatever it takes. You a Knicks fan, hop on board with the rest of us and do what it takes. Don't be selfish and compromise the momentum we built. With sports comes superstition. Every little thing matters. Don't interrupt the flow. Whatever was working in games one and two, keep that momentum going. You could have watched it at the White House. You could have watched it at Mar a Lago. You could have watched it at Benchminster. You didn't have to come to the Garden and inconvenience half the city. But the President wanted to get personal. I'm not going to do that. I respect the office. He is the President of the United States of America. People want to sit up there in America. He ain't my president. Yes, the hell he is. If you're an American citizen, he's your President whether you like it or not. That's not how this works. Just because you don't vote for somebody doesn't mean you get to disregard who they are. I will not disrespect this man on a personal level. And I have to say this before I go where I'm going. The President said I was a nice guy. I gotta tell you something. He's always been nice to me. The first insult or cruel thing he said about me was in the quote on his post on his truth social media platform. Of all the years that I've known Donald Trump, that's the first mean spirited thing he's ever done to me personally. I want to make sure that I'm clear in saying he's always been nice to me, so I'm not going to get personal. I was just talking about the Knicks. But since you wanted to go beyond all of that and get real personal, I want to be very clear. I have no interest in being the President of the United States of America. My life is pretty damn good. I got a few good jobs, I'm making decent money. God has truly, truly blessed me and I would have to surrender all of that just to campaign for the presidency. It ain't worth my job at espn. It ain't worth my job at Sirius XM to be campaigning. Now, if I was, the President just walked in and I had to give all of that up to be the president, That's a different discussion. But to have to give all of that up just to campaign ain't happening. That's number one. I want to be very, very clear about that. But here's something else I want to be cleared about. Those one liners you threw at Hillary and before that in Republican primaries, whether it was little Marco or it was low energy Jeb or anybody will call her Fiorina, she's a four. And all of this other stuff that you were saying or getting on Chris Christ about his weight or whatever, you try that with me, you think those one line is going to work, you got another thing coming. You did real estate and you're a businessman. And obviously, you know what, you have an idea about what you do and whether people want to like it or not. As the presidency debate. I do that every day. Every day. You really, really think being on a stage against me would be comparable to you being on a stage with Joe Biden? Respectfully, to our former President, President number 46, I have to remind people of what pundit said in the immediate aftermath of a debate on June 27, 2024. When Joe Biden was on that stage, he looked like an elderly patient in a nursing home waiting for his applesauce to be fed to him. That's what I think. It was Anthony Scaramucci who actually said it to Chris Cuomo. You really think that would be me, Mr. President? You sure about that? Name the time and place and I'll show up. Because you see, Mr. President, I don't have a record when it comes to issues, you do. I must ask you, sir, is inflation heating up again? I think it is. Didn't you promise us it wouldn't? Are gas prices painfully high? I think it is. Didn't you say you didn't care the war in Iran is dragging on over 100 days? Didn't you say we weren't in a war before? You said we weren't in a war before. You said it would be over before we realized it's not over. Isn't the Strait of Hormuz still closed? Aren't drones still being blown out of the sky because Iran are sending drones to ships to try to go through? Did that has? Didn't that stuff happen? How about Russia and Ukraine? Didn't you say you would end that in a day? Isn't that still going on? Aren't all prices still climbing? Federal courts, including the Supreme Courts, haven't they either slowed or blocked key initiatives involving immigration, deportations, executive authority, tariffs, agency restructuring, all these things you tried to do, hasn't that been going on? Isn't our national third debt, our national debt at 39 trillion? I'm sorry, Isn't it growing on a daily basis by 5 billion? Isn't the American people suffering because inflation is pervasive in our lives while you, your family and your cronies continue to profit? Hasn't it been reported that you've pocketed over 6 billion in a year and a half back in the presidency? Hasn't that been labeled your personal worth? Isn't it true that an additional $4.5 billion in personal profit since returning to office, Ain't that you? Isn't it true that your family and your cronies and you combined have basically benefited by a number in excess of $1 trillion, all while the American people are still suffering? Ain't that you? I think that is. Now, you can argue about it. You can argue against those assertions. I can argue for it. So sitting across from me or standing across from me debating you sure. I notice how you said other people would beat me in a debate. You didn't say you. You're not Joe Biden. You seem in better health, a bit more cogent, a bit more alert. And we now know from Jill Biden they don't have a leg to stand on because she admitted that even she was concerned he had a stroke when he was on that debate stage that night as she's trying to sell her book. Fair enough. But I think it's safe to say if you watch footage from you on Oprah in the 80s and other shows compared to you now, age and attrition has kicked in. It happens to all of us. I'm not knocking you for it. Father Time is undefeated. But I ain't 80 yet, So you can talk. And I have no desire to be on a debate stage, nor have I ever said I was qualified. I certainly never said I had a high iq. I never said anything like that. What I said was is that the state of our politics is in such a sorry ass state that even a sports reporter like myself can be a candidate who'd win a nomination. That is what I said, and I stand by that. So while you sit around and you talk and you talk and you talk, understand, you get into all of this other stuff. All I was talking about was a basketball game and how because you're A Knicks fan and a native New Yorker. You should have known better than inconveniencing everybody and compromising our mojo and momentum to show up to the game. That's all I was talking about. About. And because of that, my IQ and adaptability come into question. Really? Fair enough. Again, hopefully for the last time, I don't have to tell people I'm not giving up my career, my quality of life, and the little bit of money that I've earned in my lifetime to run for office. If you handed me the presidency and said pick one, that'd be a different animal. But to tell me that I got to give up what I worked decades to earn just to campaign for office, I'm not doing it, nor am I. The most qualified folks on both sides of the aisle are more qualified than me. But based upon their history in politics, from a Gavin Newsom or Bashir out of Kentucky or Josh Shapiro out of Pennsylvania or Westmore out of Maryland, or anybody else on the left, to certainly Marco Rubio to a lesser degree, J.D. vance, certainly a governor, Ron DeSantis and others far, far, far more qualified than me. You got me there. They're politicians. They know all that this entails. But I would remind you, Mr. President, you aren't a politician. You didn't pay much attention to it. Matter of fact, you acknowledge that. And on top of it all security reports, CIA, nsa, doj, you barely read anything. You operated on instincts. Fair enough. Nobody is here questioning your intelligence, your cogency, or anything like that. I'm just saying all of that to say you are underestimated. And because you are underestimated, you at least once upon a time understood how unadvisable it would be to underestimate somebody else. You said it yourself with this sound about me on News Nation, which I will play again. Do you have any advice for Stephen A.

[Donald Trump (via clip)]

If he launches the run?

[Gary Chambers Jr.]

No.

[Donald Trump (via clip)]

Stephen A. Is a good guy. He's a smart guy. I love watching him. He's got great entertainment skills, which is very important. People watch him. You know, a lot of these Democrats I watch, I say they have no chance. I've been pretty good at picking people and picking candidates. And I will tell you, I'd love to see him run.

[Stephen A. Smith]

See what I'm saying? So you go on Truth Social and make it about something else. I will not disrespect the President of the United States. I'm not going to get into a tit for tat. The President of the United States. I don't give a damn if it were Barack Obama, Clinton W. Bush, who's a former owner for The Texas Rangers, H.W. ronald Reagan, former governor of California, former actor. I don't care who it is. No sitting president should have been at that climate, at that environment in New York City on Monday night for Game 3 with the Knicks and the Spurs. Especially a New York native who's supposed to be a lifelong New York Knicks fan who knows a thing or two about momentum and mojo and riding a wave, knowing about how a rising tide lifts all boats. It's how you won elections. Notice I said plural. Both elections. Not the third one in 2020, but 2016, 2024. Yes. And while I say all of this to you, Mr. President, I'm going to say this one more time. 3,788,000. Like 899 voters, 43.3%, if I remember correctly. 43.3%. New Yorkers voted for you. Noah didn't win you the state, but it might as well have because it gave the Republicans a 10% bump against Democrats, a bump they never had in recent memory. New Yorkers did that for you. What'd you do for them? We still give back more money than we receive for the federal government. And what we really wanted from you was to support the New York Knicks from afar so you could allow New Yorkers to truly, truly enjoy an experience they'll never get a chance to do in their lifetime. The thousands upon thousands of them who showed up. That's what we said. And you couldn't do that for us. And now we down 2:1, and we're on the verge of this series being tied 2:2 unless the Knicks answer the call tonight. Like I said, you talking about everything else. I'm talking basketball. But that is your right. You are the president, and that's fair. But you have right now in this game to talk about. I have the weeks and the months to follow regarding the midterms. And after that, another presidential election that you're not gonna be running in unless you circumvent the 22nd Amendment of the Constitution and you get a third term. But either way, we both know you're hell bent on being directly involved, which means this ain't the first time I'm talking about you and it ain't gonna be the last. I was just talking about the Knicks, but clearly you want me to show that I'm capable of talking about wars, the economy, inflation, immigration, education, and of course, your relationship with minority communities in this country, particularly the scaling back of things that we see strenuous efforts being put forth towards. There's a lot to get into and a lot of time to do it. But not today. I'm focused on the Knicks. Let's hope The Knicks win, Mr. President. Cause I know you're a Knicks fan. That we do have in common. I agree with you about the borders, too. To be fair, I agree with you about the borders. The rest is subject to debate, which we will have whether you like it or not. See you soon. I got a game to go to in a little while, but a show to finish up first. Take care. Talk to you later. See you when I see you. By the way, I would still love to come to the White House, sit down one on one with you. I'd prefer that over a debate. But if you want a debate, I'm open for that, too. Don't think you should do that. Just my opinion. But wouldn't mind coming to the White House to ask you an abundance of questions I'd love for you to answer. You're always welcome on this show as well. Straight Shooter with Stephen A. Tortoise radio, channel 124. I'm here. Nobody's hiding. I just wanted you to hide for game three instead of showing up at the Garden. Sorry you didn't grant us that wish. And we lost. I know it makes you upset for me to say this, but I meant it. The New York Knicks lose this series. I'm looking right at you. 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[Donald Trump (via clip)]

Don't send any money for daycare because the United States can't take care of daycare. That has to be up to a state. We can't take care of daycare. We're a big country. We have 50 states. We have all these other people. We're fighting wars. We can't take care of daycare. You got to let a state take care of daycare. And they should pay for it too. They should pay. They have to raise their taxes, but they should pay for it. And we could lower our taxes a little bit to them to make up, but it's not possible for us to take care of daycare. Medicaid, Medicare, all these individual things they can do, do it on a state basis. You can't do it on a federal. We have to take care of one thing, military protection. We have to guard the country. But all these little things, all these little scams that have taken place, you have to, you have to let states take care of them, Russell. And you have to do it,

[Stephen A. Smith]

ladies and gentlemen, Medicare and Medicaid ain't a little thing. Health care ain't a little thing. And by the way, nobody wants to hear that from a president that miraculously finds 800 million to 2 billion a day all right to spend on a war. But you, you couldn't come up with a billion dollars over the last month to pay TSA workers. Ain't nobody trying to hear that. I know I'm not, but I'll talk about that on my own after I talk to my next guest. Oh my goodness. I've been waiting for her to come on the show. One of the most wonderful women I know in politics. She is a veteran political strategist, New York Times best selling author and Emmy and Peabody Award winning media contributor who previously served as interim chair of the Democratic national committee and the DNC's Voting Rights Institute. She is now a member of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee and of course, an ABC News contributor. She is the wonderful, the marvelous, the incomparable, the one and only Donna Brazile right here with Straight Shooter Stephen A. How you doing, Donna? Good evening. How's everything?

[Donna Brazile]

Well, you know, I've been one of your fans out loud and just happy to be on this call. I don't know if you noticed, but when I knew one of your producers and I actually lobbied him, I have never lobbied anyone. As you well know, when you have an ABC contract, you can't really go outside the box. And when I got this invitation, I told him I want to do this. So I am so grateful to be here and thank you for all of the good work that you're doing.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Thank you so much. Let's get right to it. I mean, you saw Trump sat in today on the Supreme Court argum birthright citizenship. From your estimation, how effective, if effective at all, do you think his appearance was today?

[Donna Brazile]

I don't. I don't think his appearance made any difference in the oral arguments that I heard from both the Solicitor General or the conversation that was later held by the ACLU that presented their arguments. I think that the Justices came in there well prepared to ask the tough questions, the precedent that we've known over the last century and a half, all of the Congressional acts, and also what the Supreme Court itself has done. So I don't think he made an impression on them. But maybe he just wanted to get outside the White House while it's under construction and get a little fresh air by going to the Supreme Court. Perhaps he wanted to just take a ride around the cherry blossoms that are still blooming. Whatever reason, I'm not one to say what the President should do with his time, but I don't think he made a difference today.

[Stephen A. Smith]

How about this notion that he was there because he wanted to remind American citizens he's paying attention to what the hell is going on in this country, on our soil, as opposed to doing business in the Middle east all the damn time or engaging in warfare. How about that notion?

[Donna Brazile]

Well, look, given the stakes right now in the Middle east and the Gulf, I think the President should be focused 247 on what's happening there. He needs to figure out what is our strategy. Will we be able to de escalate? Will Iran agree, agree to the ceasefire, the principles that we have put forward and essentially how do we rebuild alliances? The President has a lot of, a lot of things to answer for. And hopefully with his address to the nation, he will be able to tell us what's going on and what is the end game. You don't come in, you don't get into a war without a strategy to win and to be able to, to claim victory. And I think the President is willing to claim victory without a strategy that ended.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He's been seeking help from NATO, and we've heard him and to a lesser degree, Secretary of State Marco Rubio complaining about the lack of assistance they've received from NATO. And as a result, we've heard notions and, you know, just hints about pulling out of NATO and things of this nature. What are your thoughts about that? Is he justified to some degree in bringing that up? Because one would think considering the money that the United States of America has poured into NATO and the assistance it's provided NATO, you would think that NATO would be more receptive to something that the United States wants, no matter who's in the Oval Office. Nevertheless, that's not the case right now, it appears. What do you think about their position with regard to NATO?

[Donna Brazile]

Well, first of all, let's, let's make sure that we understand that France has helped in some of the defensive strategies. Turkey has knocked down a couple of drones and helping some of its neighbors. And of course, the UK Allowed the United States to use Diego Garcia, a remote base way out in the Indian Ocean. So they have not completely sat on their hands. And after all, Zelensky has come forward and said, look, I know how to get those drones out the sky. I know how to do it cheaply and more effective. And the White House dismissed that and instead gave Russia the ability to sell. It's all on the market for a couple more days, 10 more days. So I think the allies really wanted to be consulted. I think the allies wanted to know the strategy. The allies wanted to understand, understand exactly how after degrading the Iranian missile capabilities, after removing or murdering, killing the Alatola and his family, they wanted to have a better idea what the United States was doing and what was our plan the day after the bombs stopped falling,

[Stephen A. Smith]

Donna Brazile, the wonderful Donna Brazile, political strategist extraordinaire, contributed to ABC News right here with Straight Shooter with Stephen A. You know, I want to get to another subject that's near and dear to your heart, and that's the Democratic Party. I mean, few are more qualified than you on the planet to Talk about the Democratic Party and what's going on with them right now. How do you feel about the state of affairs within the Democratic Party at this particular moment in time as we speak, just less than a year away from the midterms. How are you feeling about your party right now?

[Donna Brazile]

You know, I was in class today. I teach at Georgetown university, been at 24 years and I told my students that a year ago I was really feeling somewhat awful. The defeat in 2024 wasn't just a loss of the presidency and of course control of Congress and so much more. It was a failure of imagination to understand in the 21st century you cannot run 20th century campaigns. You cannot be a candidate or a political party that continue to invest in six or seven states and expect a miracle across the country. We lost ground, lost the ability to hold together a 30 plus year coalition that the Democratic Party was able to create over the past 30 years. It enabled the victory of Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, of course. Well, you know, I'm going to not talk about Al Gore because We lost by 537 votes in Florida and that was our fault. And I'll talk about that one day. But look, the fact is the Democratic Party is in the process of rebuilding. We're rebuilding. It's like a car that needed renovation. It is like a house that needed to be totally, you know, built back from the studs up. The party is rebuilding and the way you rebuild is state by state. It's not a national campaign that we have to focus on right now. We got to focus on these campaigns in the states. We got to focus on the, what I call some of the down ballot races. And over the last year, Democrats have been able to flip over 30 special elections, 30, Republicans zero. And that's because we run in better candidates. We gotta, we fine tune our message. Whether it's affordability or talking directly to the American people about their hopes and aspirations. We're showing up where it matters. But you know, let me just tell you this. We're a long way from the midterms. And the midterms, as you well know, I don't want to use a sports analogy, but I love sports. But the midterms, it's a Super Bowl, I mean that is the ball game. If we fail to take back one or both branches, the House or the Senate, if we fail to, you know, expand our reach in terms of gubernatorial seats, it's going to be very difficult for 2028. So this is the year that the Democratic Party has to focus on not Only winning down ballot races, but focus on rebuilding, retooling, and rebranding the national party itself.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Is it really necessary to do all of that, Donna, or can you just sit. Or could you just sit back and say, let Trump implode. He can't help himself. It'll happen. What about that strategy? You ever thought about that?

[Donna Brazile]

Well, look, we all talk about Donald Trump 24 7. We've been talking about Donald Trump for the last 10 years. And what if. What. What do we got? What have we received from just talking about Donald Trump? No, the Democratic Party has to reconnect with the voters that they want to represent. That's why it's important that we run candidates not just at the federal level, but also at the state level. We have, you know, more than 10,000 school board races. Let's make sure that we run school board races across the country, city council races, mayoral races, judicial races. Not just what I call the hot, shiny, bright object, like who's running for the Senate, who's running, you know, for the House. But let's make sure that we can build something underneath us. And if we can do that, then we can replicate what the Republicans have been able to do over the last 10 years with Donald Trump at the as the head of their political party.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You've said publicly, when the Democrats go too far left, many voters feel left out. I got that quote from doing some research on you. You're basically publicly acknowledging that Democrats need to move a little bit towards the center. But does the party listen at this stage? Does the party listen?

[Donna Brazile]

You know, look, New York is different from my beloved hometown of New Orleans. Okay, sure. And New Orleans is different from San Francisco. San Francisco is different from St. Louis. We have to meet the moment. And when the party goes too far in one direction, as we've seen in Republican Party, when you go too far in one direction, then it's hard to bring people from the middle to your point of view or your political coalition. So we have to meet the moment. And the majority of Americans are not registered Democrats or registered Republicans. They are independent, unaffiliated voters. And they want pragmatic, common sense, authentic politicians. They're not looking for firebrands. Now, you talk about a lot of my friends who are firebrands. They're hotter than Tabasco. But the American people are not looking for hot sauce. They're looking for somebody who can bring home not just the bacon, the eggs, the grits, the gravy. They want somebody who can deliver. And all of this happy talk about you know, standing this far to the left or standing this far to the right, it's, it's not meeting the moment of the American people. We're going to fall further and further behind. And I know you care about this. I'm worried about the fact that we are engaged in a war that's going to cost well over maybe 2, 300 billion dollars at a time when we should be reskilling our workforce, focusing on the productivity growth. AI, how do we train our young people for a future that looks different from when you and I were growing up? So we got so much on our plate, but our politicians are not meeting the moment, and we don't need somebody from the far left or the far right. We need people who understand how to cross that aisle and get things done.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know of anybody within the Democratic Party who falls under that, that label, who, who, who you look at definitively and says represents exactly what you said the party needs in order to move the country forward? Is there anybody associated with the Democratic Party that stands out of your mind?

[Donna Brazile]

Well, first of all, I've seen Democrats over the last year and a half try to reach out to Republicans to make things happen. And just earlier today, I understand that Mr. Johnson, and by the way, he's from Louisiana. He's a proud graduate. So am I, Mr. Scalise, a pro LSU graduate. Same here. I mean, they, they understand that they have to reopen the entire department, but they, they also saw what happened in the United States Senate with that unanimous vote. So the House will come back next week and they will vote on that Senate bill. That's victory. But in order for that to pass, because so many of the, quote, unquote, Tea Party, or you want to call them, the Freedom Caucus or the MAGA crowd, they will vote against their own interests. And so the Democrats will have to provide votes. So time and time again, the Democrats are not afraid to cross that out and provide the votes necessary to keep this country and to keep this economy moving and to keep the country safe, because we also have to talk about that as well.

[Stephen A. Smith]

In your debt, in your estimation, is the MAGA movement fracturing?

[Donna Brazile]

Yes. I can't tell you. I mean, when I listen to Laura Ingram, you know, I spent some time on Fox News four years ago.

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Yes, you did.

[Donna Brazile]

I got. But I said, you know, what if I want to talk to myself? Well, damn, I'll just go home and talk to my sisters and brothers. But I want to talk to people across style. I want to hear their ideas. I want to hear their views. And then if we have to go round the round, fine. But I spent four years as a Silver Fox and I have no regrets. But yes, I'm hearing from Joe Rogan. I'm hearing from Laura Ingraham. I'm listening to Megan Kelly. I mean, she doesn't agree with me. I'm listening to Marjorie Taylor Greene. I'm listening. Because you know what? They are fracturing Tucker Carlson, who I work with at CNN back in the day.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Be careful, Donna. Be careful, Donna. I mean, by doing that, you might be considered selling out your community. I know the feeling. You talk to people across the other aisle. You listen to what they have to say. My God, we can't even do that, Donna. Remember that. I mean, they said it about me. They wouldn't dare do that to you, though.

[Donna Brazile]

I've been canceled so many times. I've gotten fired, I've gotten kicked, I've gotten hit, I've gotten death threats. I mean, you name it, it has come. It is coming and it's come to pass. But if you're in politics, when you're in the fire, you have to understand how to stir the pots. And I want to be able to look at someone and say, okay, I can work with you on this issue. On this issue, but I'm not going to work with you on this issue. And I have my bottom line. I have my red lines, but I also have my value system. I'll never forget, Stephen, when Hurricane Katrina made landfall, my father, who served in the military, four bronze stars, a UN Medal for valor in Korea, my father told me to go and talk to George Bush. I looked at him and I said, dad, guess what? I work for Al Gore, the other guy. He said, I don't care. He said, we need somebody who can rebuild the levees, help us bring back the people who've lost their homes. And my daddy just looked at me and he said, now go and talk to the president. And I found my way into that White House to talk to George W. Bush. At the time, I lost my black card. Now, you know when you lose that black card, when people think that you have betrayed them. I said, I'm not betraying you. I'm just trying to make sure that I can reopen the schools, rebuild the levees, and make sure that people have a road home, back to the best city and the best coast in America, the Gulf Coast. And I did what my father asked me to do. And I'm proud every day. Every time I go home, when I'm back home in A couple of days, I'm going to be able to see that VA hospital that I was able to advocate for. I'm going to be able to see Dillard and Xavier and all those other schools that are reopened. And I'm going to be able to see my family who've been able to come back home along with other members of my community. So, yeah, sometimes you have to cross down again. You don't have to sell out. You just have to know why you go into the table. I will go to the table with Steve Scalise, Mike Johnson, anyone else, if I can cut a deal to preserve some of the progress we've made and to make gains that will help the American people succeed.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I tell people all the time, do you want to be listened to or do you want to be heard? Because guess what? You're gonna have to make a difference in order to pull that off. You're gonna have to be heard, and it's gonna have to be with people who disagree with you. And you gotta listen to them and talk to them and show that you can walk across the aisle and get stuff done. That's just the bottom line. I have to go back to something that you said a little bit earlier because you said, you talked about prioritizing, keeping our country safe.

[Donna Brazile]

Yes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Obviously you listen to the gop. One of the things they lament and they hang their hat on is that former President Joe Biden allowed open borders and so many millions of people to come across our border, and that's contributed so much to the chaos, and the Democratic Party did nothing but allow him to do that. What do you say about that particularly emanating from the. From the mouths of folks on the right when they say such things down in Brazil?

[Donna Brazile]

Well, I tell them, you know, criticize Joe Biden all you want, but you didn't criticize Barack Obama and Joe Biden when they deported millions of migrants who came.

[Stephen A. Smith]

3.1.

[Donna Brazile]

Thank you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

3.1.

[Donna Brazile]

He was called reporter in chief and quite proud of it, I think. Under the Biden administration, two things happened. First of all, there was a migration crisis all over the world. Not just the United States, but all over the world. And, you know, some of it was due to climate. Some of it was. Was due to what I call activities beyond our control. But it was a failure of imagination once again, to understand that something was happening. When you have people from as far away as Africa or as far away as Asia finding their way all the way over to South America and then walking or getting transportation to the Southern border. Something was wrong. Democrats have fought for comprehensive immigration reform. That's been our solution to part of the problem. And because we can't find common ground with Republicans, then we have the sore point where one side, essentially they're able to make the argument that we are weak on the board and the other side is saying no. But you're not treating people with humanity. You're not treating people with fairness. We need to have a better system set up a better way to have an intake and output. It was a failure. And we should just give the President credit for what he's done in terms of the border security. But we cannot give him credit on the way that ICE has operated without the proper training, without the proper protocols that we give to other law enforcements. I tell people, I live in Washington, D.C. and just a couple of blocks from my house we had ICE officials from, I don't know, and they all had on masks. And I'm like, dude, it's hot as hell out here. Who are you? I just want to go and say thank you. Who are you? What are you doing? Where are you going? But no, they've made, I would say, just a complete nightmare the way that they went about trampling on people's rights. None of us knew who would get stopped or pulled over because we didn't know what the strategy was. So I hope we can get some common sense reforms. It looked like Tom Holman, you know, made some, some breakthroughs with the Democrats in the Senate. Maybe we can make some breakthroughs with the Democrats in the House and we can get the votes necessary so that we can get the entire DHS back up and funded.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Just a couple of questions left before I let you go. And thanks so much for your time. I really appreciate it.

[Donna Brazile]

Anytime.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know, Senator John Kennedy from Louisiana was on a few minutes ago and he called the extreme left, left portion of the Democratic Party, the loon wing, the loony wing, or whatever it is. That's what he was saying, basically talking about how they're running the party and it's to the detriment of the country because the Chuck Schumer's of the world, the Bill Clinton of the world, people like that. It used to be that party. It's no longer. Do you believe he's right in saying that?

[Donna Brazile]

Did he name names? I mean, is he just.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He said Bernie. He said Bernie. He did, he did. No, no, he did. He said aoc. He said Bernie Sanders. He mentioned those two specifically. I believe he mentioned one more.

[Gary Chambers Jr.]

Who?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't Mom Donnie. And he mentioned Mom Donnie in New York as the mayor. He mentioned those three names. That's what he said.

[Donna Brazile]

Well, first of all, Bernie Sanders, as you well know, is a Democratic socialist who caulkers with the Democratic Party. He's not a Democrat. He's run as a Democrat twice. And we now have a rule that in order to run you must declare yourself to be a Democrat. Bernie Sanders is. I've known Bernie since my Jesse Jackson days and God knows I go back a long way. And Bernie was, you know, a progressive. He's always been a progressive. He's not going to change, but he's not running the Democratic Party. Yes, there are many followers of Bernie Sanders within the Democratic Party and I'm sure within the Democratic caucus like AOC Congresswoman, but they're elected by the American people. You may not like Bernie Sanders positions on a a Drew X, but you know what? The people of Vermont have, have given him their vote and their confidence. And the same is true of aoc. I've never met her. I hope to meet aoc. It's so funny. People talk about the squad. I only know two of the four members of the so called squad. But they have every right to be in the caucus. And that's why the Democratic Party is a healthy party. We have a big tent. We have conservatives, we have moderates and liberals and progressives and now a few socialists. And you know what? It will not change the character of the party. The only thing that will change the character of the party is when the voters decide that we are no longer capable of representing their views and their values in the United States Congress or any other office we hold.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But, but didn't the, didn't the voters already do that by electing Trump? Because I'm one that's been on the record. I don't think, I don't think Trump won the election in 2024. I think Kamala Harris and the Democrats lost it. And you've lamented the fact that the absence of a primary was something that you did not like. I certainly did not like that at all. It bothered the living hell out of me. And I thought that the Democratic Party blew it. It was gift wrapped it to them and they absolutely blew the election. That's why Trump is back in the White House because of all the shenanigans they were engaging in leading up to the election. Your thoughts about that?

[Donna Brazile]

Well, first of all, the American people have been in a foul mood since 2004. The right track, wrong track numbers have been totally off, off the radar. The American people just dislike politicians. They dislike the politics. And Trump ran as an anti establishment candidate. Remember in 2000, back in 2016, you had two anti establishment populist candidates. On the right, you had Donald Trump, and on the left you have Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders gave Hillary a hell of a time before she defeated him in the primary. And Donald Trump beat all of those establishment Republicans. Republicans, because the American people looked at him and say, well, you know what? He has nothing to lose. He has his own money, he has his own stature, he has his own plane. So we're going to give our vote to this guy because he doesn't care. And I often tell people that same mood took place in 2008 when the American people said, I will give this Barack Hussein Obama, Barack Obama, Senator Obama, my vote versus giving it to an establishment Democrat because we want somebody from outside of Washington D.C. to go and clean up house. So Donald Trump came across as somebody who can come into Washington and clean house. That's what he did in 2016 when he swept through the so called blue wall. And that's what he did in 2024 when he was able to. Here's what he did in 2024 that Kamala Harris didn't do. And I'm going to just be off, you know, be on the record. Donald Trump went everywhere. He went on podcasts, he went on substack, he went on radio shows.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He didn't duck.

[Donna Brazile]

And by nighttime, he held big rallies. He was everywhere. He was in your face, in your ear. He was present everywhere, every day, seven days a week, 24, seven. He didn't have a down day. Kamala had down days. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris had over 80 million votes in 2020. Kamala only received 75 million. So we cannot blame Donald. We cannot say Donald Trump was the problem. The problem was our inability to go back and talk to those voters and to motivate them to come out once again. We had turnout problems, we had messaging problems. And it didn't just, you know, come about in 107 days. It came about because over four years of governing, we spent so much time trying to get the policy right coming out of COVID that we forgot to talk directly to the American people so that they could be involved in the progress we were making. And that was our downfall. And I was sad about it. I was pissed about it. But you know what happens when you lose an election? You get up and you figure out how the other guy or the other girl did better than you. And you get back on the court and you try to whip their ass the next time.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Last question. Totally off the subject, but really not. You called the late civil rights leader Reverend Jesse Jackson, quote, a pioneering figure who gave me wings and fundamentally transformed American politics by laying the groundwork for modern Democratic inclusion as the first black woman to serve as the manager of a major party's presidential campaign. When you did it for Al Gore, do you believe the Democratic Party still values the black vote?

[Donna Brazile]

Yes and no. I do believe that the vast majority of Democratic officeholders, Democratic leaders, Democratic officials and donors really support the black community, but not in ways in which Jesse Jackson envisioned how. We never forget the voters who turn out and give us their votes. I don't. I still dislike the fact that Democratic candidates come to the black community six weeks before election Day. How disrespectful. They should be coming to us now. They should be talking to us now. They should be engaging us now. They should make sure that those black voters, like white voters and any other voters that have been purged, that they get the proper identification and they get the proper information so that they can participate in the election. So, yes, there are times in which I scream at my own party, and I've said it up front, I do not like when we're taking our voters for granted. Yes, black people, especially black women, you know, we're the backbone of the Democratic Party. We're the backbone.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right.

[Donna Brazile]

But don't come to us two weeks out. That's an insult. Start talking to us. What I've been saying, talk to us now. Engage with us now. And in fact, help us run for office. Help us to. As I mentioned, the 19 city council races, the 18,000 school board races, the 6,000 state legislative races, help recruit us, help train us, help us provide a new generation. What Reverend Jackson did was revolutionary because you know what he said? You have political power, and you can leverage that political power. Let me show you how to do it. That's what he did. And he led by example. And I miss him. He was my brother, my friend. And I have to tell you, Steve, when I left Reverend Jackson campaign to go work for Dick Gel Park, Reverend told me I would be a branch without a tree. And I said, reverend, that's. That's cold. That's awful. And he said, no, you can't leave me. I said, baby, I got to leave you, because that's what you do. You train me to go out there and to soar. And he, you know, when I became Al Gore's, campaign manager and later chair of the Democratic Party not once but twice. Vice chair for eight years. You know who called me every day to check on me to see if I need anything? Jesse Jackson.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Yeah.

[Donna Brazile]

Good man. I miss him.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So do I. I know him. We talked often. He was a good man. And obviously we covered that. We saw him at every practice. I mean, he practically had every sporting event. My goodness, he didn't miss the big one, that's for sure. But, Donna Brazile, thank you so much for your time. It was wonderful talking to you. I appreciate the education as always. Just, just teaching along the way is what you do. Thank you so much. You know, you're welcome back on the show anytime. And just a little birdie. I mean, I kind of know a few people at abc, so you want to come on. Don't, don't worry about it. I. I can take care of it.

[Donna Brazile]

And look, when you're ready, when you're ready to launch your next ride or your next position, will you give me a call so I can bring you over? I can make you some gumbo and I can tell you how to chew the flat on this.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Let me tell you something.

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[Stephen A. Smith]

You don't need to tell me that. There ain't no way I'm running without coming to you. That's not gonna happen. You understand? It's automatic. But they trying to take my money down. They're trying to say the miniature equal air time. The minute you announce that you're trying to do it, we got to pull you off the airways. I can't let him mess with my money. But we'll talk about it.

[Donna Brazile]

Well, you and I the same way, honey. But that's why we can talk offline over some gumbo. Okay?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Always, always. Love you.

[Donna Brazile]

Appreciate you so much.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'll see you soon.

[Donna Brazile]

Bye. Bye.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Happy Easter. You take it easy. The wonderful Donna Brazil demonstrate. Democratic strategist extraordinaire, contributor for ABC News, this Week with George Stephanopoulos. She is the truth and a half, make no mistake about it. So much so appreciate her. The one wonderful Donna Brazil. You're listening live to Straight Shooter with your boy Stephen A. Back with your calls and more in a minute. The World cup is the biggest sporting event on the planet. Billions of people watching, national pride on the line. And the energy absolutely electric. And for the first time since 1994, the World cup is coming back to the U.S. mexico and Canada. You know what that means? No waking up at some ridiculous hour just to catch kickoff. And if you call yourself a Sports fan, you better not miss a single moment. That's where Sling comes in. Sling gives you instant access to the World cup without overpaying or over committing to a bunch of extra nonsense. Watch every match and more Starting at just 24.99amonth in select markets. So do yourself a favor. Unleash your World cup passion with Sling. Watch the games you want, win you want with no long term commitment. Sling lets you do that. Visit sling.com to learn more.

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[Representative Tim Burchett]

Simplisafe active guard Outdoor protection plan starting at $49.99 a month. Visit simplisafe.com licenses for alarm license information. Tennessee2012 straight shooter with Stephen A A member of our government has told you and others, I guess that there is a form of alien life and machinery which maybe brought this living creature here that interacts in some form with people. Yeah, they have and they've. It's just, it's. It's pretty wild. I know, I know. But if I'm just telling you, I'm not gonna lie to you. I'd take a lie to tell. You won't put me on a polygraph, I'll take it. But you know, this is what the guy told me. I mean, I've had a, a very high ranking naval official describe. You know, I've talked about this before. Underwater craft, something big as a football, football field Moving at over 200 miles an hour and there's no fish in the ocean that would do that. We don't even have a sub that'll probably do 40 miles an hour under the. And the last thing he said before he left my office was he. It was kind of weird because he didn't go out the. He went out the side door which nobody ever uses. And he looked at me and pulled me up close. He said, tim, they're real. And that's the last thing he said to me. That'll be the title of my book, I guess.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Interesting. Interesting to say the least. My next guest has represented Tennessee's 2nd congressional district since 2019. He serves on the House committees on oversight and government reform, foreign affairs and transportation and infrastructure. Please welcome the Straight Shooter for the first time, Representative Tim Burchett. Welcome to Straight Shooter, sir. Pleasure to meet you. How you doing? How's everything?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Thank you, sir. It's a big honor being on with you. You're a phenomena. You're something else.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I appreciate it, man. Thank you. Thank you.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

It's a real pleasure to be with you. Real pleasure.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Thank you so much. We'll get into the aliens later because I'm interested in. Damn it. I believe you. So you don't have to worry about that. But we could get into all of that later. I want to go to more pressing issues for us at this particular immediate moment. As a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, what were your thoughts when the President of the United States the other day threatened that, quote, a whole civilization will die, end quote, if Iran does not open the Strait of Hormuz?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

It made me think that how he negotiates, he comes on strong so he can pull back. It's a negotiating style. It's not what we're used to in Washington, but nothing. I always tell people that thing that just ran by you was a. Was an iceberg, because that's about as fast as Washington is. We can't. We can't get out of our own way either party. We pass bills that don't go anywhere in the Senate, and they do vice versa. And the whole town's crooked is a dog's leg. Let's just be honest about that. It's a crooked game, you know, to be a. To move up in committee leadership, both parties. You're basically, when you start the congressional session or whatever, what year, the year you start, you're issued a piece of paper, and it tells you how much money you need to raise if you want to get to certain committees. I was told. And so I was told when I got to Congress, I met with my representative on that, and he said, you know, we're going to look at, you know, how you vote and your relationship. And then he says, how you do across the street now, Mr. Smith, across the street, you're not allowed to raise money in the Capitol legally. Like, I must be the only one who. I don't know, I might be the only one that follows that rule. I'm not sure. But you go across the street, the Republicans have an office over there, and the Democrats, I'm sure, have at the same thing. And so you, You. You go over there, and they look at how much money you raise for the conference. So. And so it Doesn't I always tell people and my friend Peyton Manning, if he, if, if it was, if the NFL was Congress, he'd still be waiting to get in. It has nothing to do with ability. And it all just how. And so you figure these lobbyists for certain industries, they want Stephen A. Smith to be the chairman of, of, of whatever, commit, whatever committee in the industry that get behind you at an early time and say this, we need to get behind this guy. We can mold him. And they, and they give you money for your campaign. It's all legal. It's all you can. You can research it to see how much they've given. And then you move up. You move up because that structure. And there's really only two ways to move up. And I'm going to be blunt. You got to either kiss a lot of ass or. And raise a lot of money. You have to do both of those. And I'm, I'm really not very good at either one. I might.

[Stephen A. Smith]

How much. Go ahead, Representative. Representative, how much money are they talking about you raising? When they, when they sit up there and they tell you you got to raise money, how much money are we talking about? I don't know if anybody's ever asked that. I'm always. How much money are we talking about?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Well, for an. A committee, probably two or three million dollars. And, you know, and I serve on B and C committees at best. I serve on three committees, which is very unusual. And I'm chair of a. Vice chair of a. Of Doge, which is. Operates almost like a full committee because the commitment is there. But everybody's on one committee. Some folks are on two, but I don't think anybody's on three committees. But I'm on three committees. I served 16 years in the legislature in Nashville. I didn't go down there to chase women or become a country music star or work on my golf game. I went to work, and that's why I went to Washington. And that's not. That's not really cool. You know, two or three nights a week, I eat peanut butter and jelly for supper. A peanut butter and jelly. I sleep in my office on a couch. And I don't come from money. Mama was a professor at a historically black college here in Knoxville, Knoxville College. He's actually in their hall of fame. And my daddy was a dean at ut, so you know these guys, and there's nothing wrong with it. More power to the folks that come down there that have money, and then, you know, some of them leave with a lot more. But I have, I have not achieved that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yes.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

And it's not one of my goals,

[Stephen A. Smith]

actually, so I got you. Representative, let me ask you this question. It's currently a two week ceasefire, but are you concerned the conflict will turn into a forever war as it pertains to Iran and what's going on with them and us via President Trump right now?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

100%. 100%. Anytime we're involved in any conflict, whether it be sending $180 billion to Ukraine or anything else, we're just one step away from, hey, we need to bring some troops in to monitor something. You remember Vietnam, you and I are, I guess, about the same age. I think you're probably a little younger than I am. But Vietnam, you know, they were going there, it was basically to escort folks in and out and do things like that. And then it escalated and then we started sending troops in and then we were coaching them on how to fight a war and all of a sudden we're in war and then that's the way it happens. And these countries overseas, a lot of them, their populations are expendable. They don't care. They don't have the same belief system you and I have. And there's only about 10% of Iran or less has the radical belief system that runs that country. The rest are, are fairly impoverished people that don't have that belief system but live in fear for their lives. So they're forced to do things.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know, I gotta ask you, I'm thinking about, you know, the nearly 100 congressional Democrats and some Republicans, including former Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene. You've had people out there calling for the 25th Amendment to be invoked and for President Trump to be removed from office because they believe he's unfit. Where do you stand with all of that? We all know it's not going to happen. Let's get that out the way. He ain't getting removed from office, okay? They can bloviate all they want to. He's not going anywhere until 2028. But my question to you would be, is he fit for office in your estimation, based on some of the things you're seeing him do? Based on some of the things you're

[Representative Tim Burchett]

seeing him say I think he is and I'll and this is a straight talk situation. So I'm going to be straight talk with you. They there ain't too many saints get elected to that high of an office. It's a rough and tumble world and people get roughed up. My friend here in Knoxville, Hallerin Hill on the radio. He's got a quote, he says politics is a contact sport. And brother, you better put your cup on and you better put your helmet on if you want to get in this game because it is a rough and tumble world. And what he's saying is, I remembered when the, the Watergate tapes and all that was going on and they found out Nixon had secretly recorded stuff and, you know, and he, he's a Quaker and, and nobody ever heard him curse in public or anything. And then they listen to the tapes and he's cussing up a storm, you know, and, and it just shocked everybody. I mean, what do you, Trump negotiates with Teamsters in New York. And it's rough talk, you know, that you, you played sports at the most elite league level. And, you know, up close, I mean, I can, up close, people say some stuff that, you know, you're, it's pretty, it's pretty rough. But, you know, and that's what Trump is. He has no filter and he does not care. He wants to deliver the goods and that's his goal.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, well, I didn't, I tried to play it with the Salem State. I wasn't that great. And it wasn't elite. So I, I'm not going to lie about that. But I, I will tell, I will tell you this. I get where you're coming from. But for me, when I think about the president and the position that he has taken, I do understand those who have supported him, particularly on the right, having the mindset that, you know something, that's him just talking, that's him just bloviating. You know what, he's just running his mouth. It's a negotiating tactic. Here's why a lot of people were against him and didn't vote for him. Representative because the rhetoric scares a lot of American people because they don't know. You don't know what's going to happen. Like, we're sitting here today and you got the straight of a move that needs to open up. 20% of the world's oil goes through there. Trump obviously wants it open. He doesn't want Iran stalling stuff the way that they've done for weeks, doesn't want gas prices elevating, don't want all of this stuff happening. Right. The American people, when they hear him talking like that, some of them do believe he's crazy enough to do what the hell he said he's going to do. And as a result, it could put America in a tremendous, tremendous bind. So to me, that level of chaos coming from the Oval Office. The absence of statesmanship is what makes you nervous. One of the things that I do in raving about Marco Rubio is I say he's the adult in the room because so many Trump acolytes don't seem like Trump. Even I've said, Vice President Vance, he seems like somebody that wants to be Trump as opposed to somebody that just wants to do his job. That's where I'm coming from with it. Do you not find yourself concerned when you hear that president open his mouth and create such chaos, whether it's in the market or anything else?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Well, we're Christian people in my family and dropping an F bomb on any time on Easter Sunday, it's not appropriate in my opinion. I just don't aspire to that kind of language. I say dadgummit a lot. I told everybody I got a via country music album it would be. I got a swear jar full of IOU's because I got a 18 year old daughter and I'm trying to make her think I'm the Christian she thinks I am. So I try to watch my language and I don't like that. But again, you're talking world leaders. And a lot of these world leaders, let's just be honest, they're thugs, okay? They are dirt bags and they're murdering thugs. And we've had people, in my opinion in this country that have risen to some pretty high levels that are of that caliber, but because of the media

[Stephen A. Smith]

or

[Representative Tim Burchett]

because their ability to hide that from the public, they've cast themselves in a different light.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All right, is that your way of saying the President is one of them or the President is being the way that he is because he has to respond to those kind of.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

I think because he knows he has to respond to those kind of folks. I've been with him many, many times in real life and I've never heard him curse and heard him curse. And when I've been with him in one on one or in a group, and I'm just being honest with you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, I wasn't talking about him cussing. I wasn't talking about him cussing, Mr. Representative. I was talking about him bombing Iran off the face of the earth, basically alluding to. That's what he was going to do. That's what I was talking about.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

I don't think that's part of the strategy. I don't think he wants the innocence to suffer because he realized that you're just talking about a 10% thing. I think he's very frustrated, though. Because his advisors told him we need to arm one group and they'll get the arms to the Iranian people. And they ended up keeping the guns. And Trump warned his people that they would do that because he knew human nature. And you've got these diplomats that have continuously gotten us into these wars. That's part of the problem too. Our intelligence. You know, I always tell people our military intelligence is a whole lot like congressional ethics. It just does not exist at much of a level.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Really? I didn't realize that. I mean, I hear people bragging about US Intelligence all the time, whether it's FBI, CIA, whatever, and they brag. You're telling me our intelligence is weak? Our intelligence is not up to snuff? Is that what you're telling me?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir, I am. Because you're dealing with human nature. And, and in the past, we haven't funded those agencies. We've, you know, we've, it's, it's. Look, Washington is full of war pimps. They love war because they're portfolio warriors. Sir, that's going to. Let's, let's look at, look at Ukraine. I give you connect. It's okay if I get. And please call me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay? Yes, sir, go ahead.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

I get a little look around for some old guy when you, when you

[Stephen A. Smith]

say I got you, I got.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Okay, Ukraine. Now we, and I haven't voted for a penny. And we, I think we've given them $180 billion so far, at least. Well, we gave them our missile defense system. Now our missile defense system is, is the best in the world. Let's just be honest. It's a multibillion dollar apparatus. So we gave them that. And in doing so we had to replenish ours, our supply, if that makes sense to you. And in doing that, we did it with a multi billion dollar no bid contract. Who do you think owns stock in that missile defense company? In those companies? Members of Congress. Members of Congress own stock in that, sir. So to think that, that you're dealing with an honorable bunch in either party. In either party. That's right. You know, stock trading Bill, the one that I had. It just. You can't own stock. There's more people professional baseball than members of the U.S. congress. They ought to treat it as an honor. And I'm sick and tired of hearing members of Congress say both parties. You know how much money this cost me, Burchett, to be here? Well, dadgummit, go back home and do it. Because the America, this is an economy. If you don't get off that airplane, sir, and walk up to that Capitol every week and get chills. You need to put your ass back on that plane and go home. Because we need people up there that want to serve and not want to increase their portfolios.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Tim, is that what makes it seem so easy for folks on the right to turn the blind eye and a deaf ear when we hear the Democrats, and not just on Capitol Hill, but a governor like a Gavin Newsom out of California and other, calling President Trump the ultimate grifter, somebody that is not just sleazy but himself, his family padding their wallets, et cetera. Because based on what you're saying, you're basically saying, are you kidding me? Practically everybody does it in Washington. Everybody's trying to pad their wallets. He's just doing it better than the rest. Is that what, is that what this is all reduced to as a conversation when it comes to that?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

I wouldn't point the finger at Trump. I think he's a, if he's doing all those things you're saying he's doing, he's, he's, he's probably at the bottom of the list. And everybody wants to talk about Pelosi and all her trades that she's made and everything. Sir, she's not even in the top 10 in Congress. Yeah, it's. Look, and everybody laughs about it. You know, I get. That's why again, here I am talking about it, I'm sure. And what's going to happen is, or somebody's going to come see me on the House floor, it'll be a friend of mine and say, hey, Bertie, man, you can't be saying that stuff about,

[Stephen A. Smith]

well, damn, it's the truth. You can get away with it. You, you work with them, you don't work for them. You represent the state of Tennessee. That, that's what I know.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

You're exactly right. And I remind new members that every time I say, guys, you don't work for a dadgum person up here, you don't work for anybody up here. You work for the people back home. And that's part of the problem.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So the bottom line is that we have a bunch of politicians on Capitol Hill, and what you're telling us is that the inordinate amount of individuals representing our country in the House of Representatives and in the Senate, essentially, it's a very profitable job to have, even though, for the record, it says it's a few hundred thousand dollars in salary. But it's not an accident that Marjorie Taylor Greene, for example, came into the House of Representatives worth a few hundred thousand dollars, if that. And departed reportedly worth 25 million. In other words, you're saying that's normal? That's part of the course, Stephen. A. Get used to it. Straight shooter, audience. Get used to it. That's what it is. Is that what you're saying?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Both parties.

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Both parties.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Again, I'm. I'm not. And the thing that they're doing is not illegal, Mr. Smith. It's not that it's not illegal, but it should be. Here. I can give you one more quick example.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Please, please.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

I'm an entrepreneur.

[Gary Chambers Jr.]

I'm.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

I'm. I'm a capitalist, okay? I enjoy that kind of thing. And so I do things to keep my mind from. Because this stuff really frustrates me, sir. So I live on a little farm, and I go out at night. I don't sleep at night much. I maybe get three or four hours sleep at night. And I make skateboards, okay? Got a lot of fences that fall down. They're oak. I got a little sawmill. I cut wood. I do bamboo and stuff. So I make this skateboard out of banana fiber, oak and bamboo. And I gave it to Tulsi Gabbard. You know who Tulsi is, right?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yes, I do. Yes, I do.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

She's from Hawaii. She and I used to work out. At the first President Trump's first day of the Union address, she kind of outed me. She said, merchant. She said, my dad got birthdays next month. Where's my skateboard? Because I told her I'd make her a skateboard sometimes. So I make her this skateboard. It's pretty cool. And I take it to her. It's a longboard pintail, and I'd give it to her. And so people all over the world are saying, hey, Tim, where can I get a Burchett board? Where can I get a Burchett board? So I want to do things right, you know, people like me and you, we gotta watch our. We gotta watch ourselves because everybody's looking for us to screw up. I hear people talking about you maybe running for office, and I guarantee you at both parties have looked into you. Your voting record, your business interests, your family. You know that. You know that.

[Simplisafe Voice]

That.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

You know that. So they. I give this skateboard to Tulsi. She puts it out on the Internet. You know, she's got. She's super popular, especially with young people. And so I get people all over the world say, burchett, where can I get a Merchant board? So I go down and talk to Ethics. I talk to the lawyer and this is about verbatim what he said. He said you can't sell it and you have to put it. Do all this other stuff. And I said so wait a minute. You're telling me I can do insider stock trading but I can't sell a dadgum skateboard? And they said that's right. So I gotta form a corporation or my wife does. I go to work for her. She pays me a. Pays me a salary. But it can't cross like I think 17 or $18,000 a year. And then I have to put our. We put our farm in an llc. I mean it's so ridiculous. Sir.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It is.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

And all I'm trying to do is be legitimate. But to be legitimate I got to miss. I got to almost mislead the public on what's going on. It's. It's a scam. It is a scam. And we ought to just. We ought to be. You're technically a member of the media. I don't want to curse you like that. But the number one thing in the media people ought to be about for is disclosure and transparency.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Absolutely.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

And so why don't I just say hey, I'm Tim Burett. I'm going to make a few dadgum skateboards in my barn and sell them on the Internet and I'm going to tell you how much money I make. And that ought to be enough. That ought to be enough. I mean I do licenses and I. And I pay all my taxes to. I'm talking about all that to the irs. Nothing. Nothing Spec. I mean if you want to get out and sell lemonade on the street corner or something. You ought to be able to do that. Mr. Smith.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right. Especially in a capitalistic society. No doubt about a representative right here with Stephen A. Straight shooter with Stephen A. I gotta go back to Iran in this regard. Representative TIM do we have. Do we have an exit strategy? And if so does it depend. Or rather not if so. But does it depend on regional partners if a land conflict occurs? Dual question.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Yes sir. Yes sir. I believe we do.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

I don't think Trump wants that either. I think he sees the long game is to get. Get the oil. But one thing you need to remember too. And I'm going to step on some more toes here. Okay? If that's all right.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Please. I ain't stopping you.

[Gary Chambers Jr.]

Feel free.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

How much oil do you think America gets from Iran?

[Stephen A. Smith]

America gets from Iran.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

I'd say 000 oil is going up. We're exporting oil now, yet it's a commodity. Birchet, you don't understand what a commodity is. Well, let me tell you something. We give oil companies billions of dollars in subsidies every year and yet. And they come down and poor mouth us and then they get record profits. Diesel. I have a diesel. We got a little farm. I drive a dually. It's five something a gallon out here. Now diesel is the first cut they take. Well, it goes, I think kerosene, then diesel, then gas and then you know, the unleaded all the way up to the top. And diesel is the cheapest to make. It's the most expensive. And they say, oh, it's a commodity. I thought you were a capitalist. Hell yeah, I'm a capitalist. But a cap. Capitalism is not dumping your hard earned tax dollars in the pockets of a billion dollar corporation. That's not capitalism at all. That's some subsidized socialist type thing. And I'll guarantee you they're going to show record profits. And don't tell me that what's in those gas pumps right now is. Has any effect on what's going on overseas. That stuff, it's over to six, eight months ago that was in the ground, wherever they got it. And that stuff's been for a long time. And they're ripping us off. And when they say Burchett, you don't understand commodities. Well, why in the world, if it, if it's. If it's all about the price of oil, why isn't the oil at the autozone going up in those little. At the same amount? If it's about the oil, it's about the commodity. There's no difference in that oil in that little can than that gasoline in those. In the ground, in those pumps outside your local filling station. They're ripping us off. This is all a scam. And, and we allow.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Who's ripping us off?

[Simplisafe Announcer]

Who?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Both parties are in bed with them.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Who's ripping us off? Specifically, I'd like names. Who's ripping us off?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

The big oil companies, all of them are. That are charging these enormous prices because we are the pri and they're. And again, they're going to show you all these bogus charts. And as soon as this hits, the big boys are going to call you and say man, don't get that. Not on here again. And then this is again why I don't get a lot of contributions but I win reelection Because America gets it. They're tired of getting ripped off. Big oil. And it's just. But the reason they're allowed to do it is because the politicians. That's my bottom line. The politicians allow them to do that. They shower with contributions both sides of the aisle, when they need to, whenever. Any new technology, like fracking or something. I don't.

[Gary Chambers Jr.]

You know.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So why are you still there? So why do you choose to still be there? Why do you. You got better things to do with your life and you're a capitalist and you know how to make money. Why. Why subject yourself to this? Let me tell you something right now. They can talk about me running all they want to. They don't have anything to worry about when they told me they gonna take my money because I immediately gotta come off the air the second I announced I'm running. The one thing they ain't doing is taking my money. They ain't gotta worry about me running if they're gonna take my money now, if they ain't messing with my money and I could still go to work, I would be on that debate stage in a heartbeat, going up against mostly the progressive left. I'm a centrist who leans left on certain things, leans right fiscally. But I am not down with MAGA and I am not down with the progressives. And I'm proud to say that I don't give a damn what anybody says. But having said that, I wouldn't hesitate to be on that debate stage. With that being said, why are you still in this, sir? With what you've described Washington to be, why put yourself through this?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

You see that flag behind me right there? In all sincerity, that it's a 48 star flag that was on my uncle's casket. My mama a schoolteacher, she was a little. A young lady and at army vehicle came to their house in Cheatham county and told my mama and her mama, my grandmother, that her oldest boy, Roy had died fighting the Nazis and my dad was fight the Japanese and the Marine Corps in some of the most brutal combat. That's why I'm here. Because I stand on some pretty cool shelters and I'm an unrepentant mama's boy. My daddy was my best friend. I'm 61 years old and I still go out to their grave and I cry like a baby because the America that they fought for and endured, I think it's worth fighting for. I mean, yeah, I get paid a ton of money. I could sit on the back row and not do anything and, and not fight, but I think it's worth fighting for. I really do. I Think God has granted us an incredible gift and we've just got to figure out how to, how to, how to harness it a little better.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You need, you need you, you need a hell raise up there. That's why, that's one of the reasons I've considered stuff, because I'd raise hell. I could tell you that much, I promise you that. But let me ask you this before, I got a couple of questions before I let you get on out of here. Is there a scenario, a scenario in which you'd abandon the President on the Iran issue? Is there any scenario that could come up that could prop up, that would make you say, I'm out of here, I can't deal with this. There's no way I'm gonna accept this.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Yeah, I don't see any shape, form or fashion in putting American troops on the ground over there. I'd have to say, I'm not gonna vote for that. I couldn't stumble like that because that's just a, another endless war and the big boys profit. And daddy, when my daddy died, I found a little plaque on his desk and I'm paraphrasing it, it said, old men make decisions and young men die. And that's what, in these war camps, they'll sell us. They'll sell you. Yeah, I got 18 year old daughter, sir. I don't, I not want to see her going into any of that situation for some other, you know, if it's on the border, if it's on our, in our country or if it's, it's a threat now. They were a threat. Now don't get, don't get mis. Yes, they had nuclear capabilities and they had nuclear power. They had to, I believe it was a plutonium to do it, which they still have. And that concerns me and I would hope we could, we could have a collaboration because if you saw the Israelis were actually able to fly over Saudi Arabia without any interference, that should tell you right there that the Middle east does not want any shape, form or fashion to do anything with Iran. They realize they are bad actors and they are finally figuring out, sir, that it's a lot more profitable to get involved in the capitalism game than it is sending their young people off to die in war for Allah or whoever else, because they realize that in, and that's another thing in this country. And thank you for letting me pontificate, you're much cheaper than a psychiatrist.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Right, Go ahead, go ahead.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Now. But these leaders, world leaders, whether it be out on the world stage in the Middle east or in this country. They love it when black and white folks are killing each other. I love it when Jews and Christians are fighting. They love all this stuff because why? It keeps their lousy asses in power. And that's. And Trump is not from that cut. And that's one of the reasons I like him, because he is not their boy and they know it. And they're not going to control him. And we've got a real problem in that, in the world, because again, it's all about profit.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Before I let you get on out of here, I got one more question to ask you. And I got a transition. This is about UFOs. I couldn't let you out of here without asking you about that. You've said you've seen UFO briefings that would, quote, set the earth on fire, end quote. And you also said publicly you're not suicidal. That's a serious statement. What exactly are you being told that the American people aren't allowed to hear? So there about what's called.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

We go into what's called a skiff, and that's kind of James Bond room, you know, it's lead line. You can't take a cell phone. You got a Fitbit? I don't, but, you know, I've been in those rooms. And they'll say, somebody's still getting a signal. Somebody's got a cell phone and somebody. I'll check your pile. Crap, that's my Fitbit. Sorry, it's my. Whatever. And they have to go out of the room. And we're briefed by the highest level of intel, either our military intelligence, these Alphabet agencies, and they tell us things, which again, you've got one group telling you within some of these things that they. They don't exist. I'm gonna use you one time, this little punk with a freaking man bun. And then you got these military people telling us that something does exist. And I've been briefed and seen pictures and talked enough. But you got to realize, too, it's all about the money. And this is. Is this a psyop or what? Are they putting this garbage out there so that people will say, gosh, we need to fund these agencies more and so we can research it more? I'm not into all that. It's not about little green men. It's not about flying saucers, sir. It's about what are they spending tens of your, maybe billions of your tax dollars on? If it doesn't exist, then why are they. Where are they studying it? And if it does exist, As I told President Trump the other day, you need to. You need disclosure. We need transparency. America can handle it. I'm sick of hearing this stuff. We can't handle it. It's, you know, and I'm a Christian, and they appealed to me on that level. Bartra, this stuff's kind of anti Christian, you know, in your beliefs. I said, no, it isn't. Genesis 1. God created the heavens and the earth.

[Stephen A. Smith]

What do they look like? What do they look like? Can you tell me? I mean, you see, you've seen. You've seen Independence Day, you've seen aliens, you're seeing a few things. What do they look like? Give me that one.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Well, it's not Independence Day, I'll tell you that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay, I got you. What can you tell me?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

But they're gonna. If they would just look, if I. If they would just release what I was briefed on just a couple weeks ago again, we had somebody come in there, a colleague, a friend, if you will, that was basically there to disrupt.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

They tried to tied to ruffle this guy's feathers and ask him stuff. And, sir, he named names, dates, people in the meetings where these items, if you will, are located. And I mean, you know, it's. It's too much. It's too much, sir. Too much is going on. But don't believe any of this stuff you see on the Internet, this AI stuff. I wouldn't believe it unless I saw it with. Okay, okay, all right, so. But Trump's the guy to do it. If anybody will do it. If anybody's a disruptor, it's Donald J. Trump, and he will disrupt with this. And I had a conversation with folks at the White House today just about that, and we're going to be. Hopefully some things will be coming out soon. And I.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, he promised it. He promised it during the campaign, but he also promised a lot of transparency with the Epstein files. That hasn't worked out that way. I could tell you that much. But listen, I know I gotta let you go because I gotta run, but I'd be remiss in neglecting to bring this up to you, sir. Since Trump returned to office, Democrats have been somewhat successful, if not, dare I say, very successful at the polls during elections. How concerned are you about the GOP for the midterms?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

I'm of the belief system at the far left takes it over. We lose our country. I think you've got a socialist group. I mean, some of these people, sir, are openly Marxist, whether you hate the Republican Party or whatever, but Marxism does not work. Margaret Thatcher said it best. Pretty soon you run out of rich people. It works in the beginning because you can just, you plunder all the wealth a couple of years into it and it doesn't work. And there's no incentive for profit and anything else. And it breeds mediocrity. And this country is about excelling. It's about American excellence. Excellence. Trump talks about that a lot. At least in private meetings he does. And the worst, the worst enemy in politics that Republicans have is their messaging. Our messaging stinks. I think we've done some great things. I think there's some really fine stuff within that big beautiful bill that we just for some reason just we blunder. And part of the trouble is a lot of our members in both sides of the hour. So dad gum old. I mean they're still listening to their, their eight track tape players and they're 1972 gremlins or something and they're wearing their powder blue leisure suits. In both parties there's too dad gum old and they can't message to young people. They don't realize that it's, that it's right here and it's podcasts like yourself that are making that are, that are turning the world on its edge. And I think it pretty. Someday we're going to figure that out or we're going to, we're going to separate.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Last, Very, very last question. Are you a proponent for age limits for representatives and Senate figures in the nation's capital? Do you believe there should be age limits?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Ideally, yes, sir. But will that happen? No way. There's no way. You're going to have to get Congress to vote to put limit themselves and neither party will do that, sir. And I think the trouble we got is when 12% of the population and me as a Christian, almost 40% of people identify as evangelical Christians fail to go to the polls. Gun owners, 30% failed to go to the polls. But you know, they're always griping and they'll, they'll throw up to you. Well, it does. What's it matter? You know they're going to steal the election. Well, dadgummit. Here's a sports analogy for you put enough dadgum points on the board where they can't steal the game when less than 12% of the population or something like that, votes that throws away everything that flag represented that was put on a man's casket that fought. So we could go to the polls or we could listen to what those knuckleheads on the View say and that dictates our political thinking. I tell kids today, I said, look, when you read an article in the newspaper or hear something, figure out what their agenda is and use that beautiful brain God gave you to figure it out, don't Fox News it or cnn. Don't. I just, you know, people say, did you see such and such? I say, no, I don't. I just don't watch that stuff. I live it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, you watch me. And I appreciate you. I really, really do. So thank you so much. All right. I look forward to talking to you again real soon. Thank you for being on the show. So you take care of yourself. All right?

[Representative Tim Burchett]

All right. I want to take you to dinner one night, come over to the Capitol Hill Club and we'll make people, people really nervous. And all we'll do is talk about UFOs.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it. I'll be there in a few weeks, actually, so I'll make sure to take you up on that. Thank you so much. Representative Tim Burchett right here with Stephen A. Straight Shooter with Stephen A. Don't go away.

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Welcome back to straight shoot on POTUS 124. Right now I'm gonna share a quick taste of a panel that will be featured in full tomorrow on my YouTube channel with civil rights activists, activist Gary Chambers Jr. And conservative media influencer officer Brandon Tatum, a raw discussion from both sides on the state of American politics. Check it out. When we talk about geopolitics and you look at Donald Trump, whether it's in Israel, whether it's in Iran, whether it's in Venezuela, rumors about Cuba, et Cetera, et cetera. You even have folks on the MAGA right side that are saying he's going against his campaign promise about putting America first. They have said that about him. How do you answer that, Officer Tatum?

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I think I disagree. You know, there's a difference between saying we don't want endless wars that don't make sense and that we can't have

[Gary Chambers Jr.]

a war at all.

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You know, when you have Iran getting a nuclear weapon, that's existential threat to the United States of America and all of our allies in the region. And the United States, America isn't the only country that's participating in stopping Iran from having a nuclear weapon. The uae, Saudi Arabia, some of these other Muslim nations that don't want terrorists in their region are in lockstep with the United States of America and Israel to fight in those efforts. So I understand why Donald Trump has engaged in this. Donald Trump has never gotten us into an endless war like we were in Afghanistan and Iraq. I do believe that Donald Trump is going to get us out of this war. We're not going to stay in it, you know, in perpetuity. He's gonna get his mission accomplished, and we're gonna get out of there. That's my faith towards what Donald Trump has done historically and what I believe he's gonna do currently. We haven't been there for a year, you know, and Donald Trump has. And our military have controlled all of their military assets. They really have no leverage. That's why you don't see conflict back and forth. We're in that region, controlling the region. And that's the difference between us getting in the war and it's out of control. We don't know, you know, what's coming next. They don't have any retaliatory availability against our United States military. They do not. I don't even think they have a navy. So when we. When we're looking at these things, it's a difference between having Trump derangement syndrome and saying everything he does is bad and saying, let me get a man a chance to prove himself. Now, if he's in war, we in war in that country for a year, two years, then me and you can have this conversation again. But until Donald Trump get an opportunity to finish what they started, then I'm gonna support what he's doing.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Gary, let me transition to you by asking this question. When you listen to what Officer Tatum has to say to Cliff, note it from a generic perspective. He's talking about placing faith in a president that is Donald Trump, who he considers to be far better than anything the liberals have offered in recent memory. Because ultimately it harkens back. Every time I run across independents or conservatives, they're looking at what they, the Democratic Party hasn't done for the black community. And they're asking the question, why should the community's faith be placed in that party? Why not try something new if, even if it is Donald Trump? To that, you explain what.

[Gary Chambers Jr.]

Number one, I would say that I want to address that. He brought up that Iran can't handle us. The retaliation from Iran is economic retaliation. They are forcing the American people to have an economic pressure right now that may cost Donald Trump the midterm elections.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's talking about the Strait of Hormuz. You talk about the strait of hormones

[Gary Chambers Jr.]

and costing the American people money every single day that that strait is closed. That's number one. Number two, when you talk about Democrats versus conservatives, right now in this country, a conservative majority Supreme Court is stripping away power from black people to serve in Congress. Now, he can shake his head at that, but why does that matter? Because as somebody black in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, where Louisiana elected the first black person to Congress in the history of this country, Willis Menard in the 1800s. Willis Menard was denied the ability to serve in Congress because a person who was from Congress who later became president, said that it was not time for a black man to serve in Congress. You follow that up and you go 100 years later before William Jefferson is elected to Congress in the late 1980s. William Jefferson, Cleo Fields, Cedric Richmond, Troy Carter, four people in the history of this country that are black have served in Congress from the state of Louisiana in that same time, 170 plus white men have gone to Congress from Louisiana in the same period of time. But you're sitting here telling me that this is a fair system to black people and the people who are orchestrating, taking away that power from black people is Donald Trump his Supreme Court. And as a black person who lives in one of the impacted communities, this is the first time in the, in my lifetime since I was 6 that a black person represented me in Congress from all of Baton Rouge. What does that mean? It means that Southern University, the only HBCU system in America, is finally getting financial appropriations from the federal government to improve the campus of Southern University so that young black children can be educated up on that campus. When Gary Graves was there, he wasn't sending any money to Southern University, but Cleo Field surely is. And that matters to black people who are from Baton Rouge, who live in North Baton Rouge, where that is an anchor within our community economically.

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[Stephen A. Smith]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Officer Gary, what's not true about what he just said?

[Gary Chambers Jr.]

The school system is ran by a black man. That is Lamont Cole. And the school that my daughter attends is a magnet school in the public school system. Because my family decided to put my daughter in early childhood education, and we had the resources in order to provide for her. My daughter goes to one of the best schools in East Baton Rouge Parish school system. Now, I'm not talking about the majority of the school system. And the original point that I made was about Louisiana's public schools ranking number 47 in the country.

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All right, all right. Let's, let's. Okay, you just proved my point. My man, a black man, run this school and is very successful. And a black family has an opportunity to put their black daughter in a very prominent and successful school in Louisiana. So the white man don't have no power over what you can accomplish if you guys put your stuff together, get your stuff together and do the right thing. Now let's get to this whole thing about race. You're saying black people represent me. It ain't about race. It's about whether a person can represent the constituency or not. Are they effective? Are they not? Because it doesn't matter about the color of somebody's skin. Because we had a black president that did nothing for black people. He did nothing. Donald Trump did more for black people than Barack Obama could ever dream of. When you talk about loan guarantee or not loan guarantees, when you talk about money that has been guaranteed given to HBCUs, Donald Trump secured that, and Obama could never secure that. When you talk about opportunity zones, when you talk about the First Step act, that's legislation that was passed under President Donald Trump that Barack Obama would never in his life dream of doing. You cannot name one thing that Barack Obama has done. You cannot name one thing that a black politician who's a Democrat has done to help the black people in your community or communities across the United States of America. You can't name one. And then let me say this. You keep saying that somehow the white man is making sure black people are not serving in Congress. There's a Ton of black Democrats that are serving in Congress. There's a ton of them. I mean, they're attempting to take their seats. You said, excuse me.

[Gary Chambers Jr.]

And they're attempting to take their seats.

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Attempting to take their seats through what?

[Gary Chambers Jr.]

The Supreme Court gerrymandering their seats away.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's where I was going next with the whole redistricting gerrymandering issue. That's exactly where I was going next. Go ahead.

[Simplisafe Voice]

This is where the gentleman. Mr. Chambers, you're wrong. In many of these cases, the reason that the redistricting did not work out, especially in Louisiana and other places, because they were doing it based on race. And that is not constitutional. And so if you're gonna say you need to redistrict because black people need a benefit or black people should be represented, white people can't do that either. So that is the reason why some of the redistricting and lines being drawn was denied by the Supreme Court is because they did it based on race. This is what black people have been fighting for for so many years, is that you cannot make those decisions based on race. And when they try to make them based on race, they were denied in the Supreme Court.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Officer Tatum, I respect where you're coming from. I guess my pushback. And I'll let Gary chime in in a second. I just want to add my 2 cents here. I guess where I chime in, I feel compelled to chime in. When we think about civil rights, when we think about the Voting Rights act, when we think about things of that nature, when, you know, I'm looking at it from the standpoint that once upon a time, okay, even though some people, a lot of us will look at it, racism still exists. You know, it might not be as obvious in a lot of people's eyes, but there's no question that racism still exists. Make no mistake about it. And we ain't gonna get around that. But the point is, it was so glaring, it was so flagrant. Whether it was Jim Crow laws or anything else, okay, in the 60s and beyond or even before that, the reality of the situation is the laws that came into play were necessary. And so why were they necessary? Because we had a community within our country that were taking advantage. They had the power. They obviously were exploiting it at every turn. And it took federal legislation to be implemented in order for us to negate the kind of momentum they were continuing to build and build and build for decades, if not longer. So my point is that when we sit up there and we say, well, you know what? Redistricting and gerrymandering. And these issues had to be addressed because people were making decisions based on race. I'm like, but that's because decisions beforehand were made by race, were made on the basis of race. But it was just by the side in power. How can we ignore that reality that it was capelled.

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How can we ignore that which we're the Democrats. So Mr. Chambers claim that he's. I'm assuming he claimed he's a Democrat. I'm assuming that he vote for Democrats. He's saying that Democrats would do a better job than Republicans even in his state. But the people who were implementing these things that were against black people, Jim Crow and all of the above were all Democrats. You know, slavery was initiated by Democrats. Republicans are the ones that abolish slavery. Republicans are ones that majority voted for and passed the 13th, 14th and 15th amendment unanimously. It was not the Democrats. Democrats in the Jim Crow south, the Dixiecrats were the ones that were prejudiced and racist against black people. And so I would like for Mr. Chambers to acknowledge at least that, that the history of racism and prejudice and putting black people aside were perpetuated by Democrats. And they're lying today, acting as if Republicans are doing these things. When you look at the majority of black cities are run by Democrats and they've run it into the ground. The murder capital of this country is a Democrat run city that's full of black people. Why is that the case?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Gary, go ahead.

[Representative Tim Burchett]

Okay.

[Gary Chambers Jr.]

He said a whole lot of things. Number one, white supremacy is what I'm against. I'm not sitting here arguing with you about Democrat or Republican. White supremacists were orchestrating these things against black people. Now do white supremacists switch political parties? Yes, in America. They were Democrats in the beginning, they Republicans today. And the proof of that is Steve Bannon and the likes of those folks

[Stephen A. Smith]

are in the Republican Party.

[Gary Chambers Jr.]

Stephen Miller is in the Republican party. The Project 2025 comes out of the Republican Party party. I let you finish. Now let me cook.

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