Chavo Guerrero Jr. PART ONE - SAS CLASSIC

Summary

The Steve Austin Show – Chavo Guerrero Jr. PART ONE (SAS CLASSIC)

Date: December 9, 2025
Host: Steve Austin
Guest: Chavo Guerrero Jr.
Location: 317 Gimmick Street, Hollywood, CA

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Steve Austin Show features a candid, in-depth conversation with third-generation wrestler Chavo Guerrero Jr., exploring the art and evolution of pro wrestling, family legacy, industry stories, and transitions after in-ring careers. The discussion also touches on Chavo’s work with Lucha Underground and the Netflix series GLOW, alongside stories from the road, beer, business, and injury.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Beer, Bonding & First Impressions

Time: 04:37 – 07:48

• Steve and Chavo kick off over Broken Skull IPA, discussing their mutual love of cold beer and the beer business.
• Chavo shares he’s launching his own “Guerrero Golden Ale” and the importance of choosing a beer style for broad appeal rather than niche markets.

  “With IPAs and all that stuff, you start limiting your market... a lighter beer that everybody drinks, it’s more like a 75%.”
  – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [06:39]

• Beer memories and road stories, including anecdotes of Harley Race’s legendary tolerance and beer habits.

2. Guerrero Family Pressure & Wrestling Upbringing

Time: 12:33 – 16:36

• Steve probes Chavo about growing up a Guerrero: legacy, pressure, and following in the family business.
• Chavo reminisces about their wrestling-filled childhood, road trips, camaraderie, and learning the business with cousin Eddie, including backstage stories on how they developed their passion.

  “We loved, me and Eddie loved wrestling... We learned how to walk in a wrestling ring.”
  – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [13:28]

3. Learning on the Job & Generational Lessons

Time: 16:36 – 19:17

• Chavo reveals the challenges of being a third-generation wrestler—easy entry, but tough expectations and constant comparisons.
• Reports being “beat up” by legends to “learn on the job,” with teachers like Benoit, Eddie, Malenko, Finley, and more.
• On paying dues, learning by “sink or swim,” and being compared up the Guerrero lineage.

4. Natural Born Wrestling Minds

Time: 19:17 – 23:30

• Discussion on why second and third-generation wrestlers “get” the art of wrestling quicker but stress that family lineage doesn’t guarantee success, citing examples of both triumph and failure.
• Chavo shares insights gained while producing for Lucha Underground and the creative, safety, and technical details he learned from his family and years watching pro wrestling production up close.
• “Sometimes there’s things I know in the business and I don’t know how I know them. I just know them.” – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [20:21]

5. The Lucha Underground Game Changer

Time: 22:47 – 25:24

• Chavo credits Lucha Underground for redefining what wrestling can “look” and “feel” like through TV and film techniques, helicopter shots, and cinematic production.

• “WWE is the Coca Cola of wrestling... Anyone else makes a cola, you’re just an RC Cola.”
  – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [22:47]

• The pride in being “original” rather than “another knockoff.”

6. Teaching TV Work & Camera Awareness

Time: 25:24 – 28:14

• Chavo emphasizes teaching Lucha stars about working for the camera—a lesson often overlooked in Mexico.

  “That camera is your moneymaker... Stop and make sure that camera focuses on your face.”
  – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [23:30]

• Both discuss how wrestling is learned progressively, with a “five to ten year” curve before a wrestler truly “gets it.”

  “You should be outstanding by that point... and you’ll still have more to learn.”
  – Steve Austin [27:21]

7. Changing Industry Paths & Talent Development

Time: 28:14 – 31:00

• Chavo critiques how wrestlers now start their careers in WWE, contrasting it to the days when the big stage was a reward for a decade of dues.

  “We’re missing a step…Thank God indie wrestling is thriving.”
  – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [28:14]

• Tells stories about major talent (Ricochet/Prince Puma, Willie Mack, Brian Cage) who were overlooked by WWE, and why some of the best workers come from the indies.

8. Ring Structures & Technical Evolution

Time: 36:46 – 42:05

• Inside baseball about wrestling rings: sizes, sweet spots, and how changing a few feet alters the entire match dynamic.
• Chavo tells of accidentally working a 16-foot ring with WWE stars and not adjusting at first to the size.

9. The Integrity of the Match (Making It Real)

Time: 42:05 – 45:16

• The deep philosophy: “If you don’t believe it, they don’t believe it.” The need to protect the illusion is tantamount.

  “Don’t ever let them see the string…”
  – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [43:17]

• Chavo uses magic as an analogy—if the audience sees the “string,” the magic is lost.
• Steve and Chavo reminisce about how they protected the realism in tag matches and avoided bad “alligator arms.”

10. Injuries, Pain & Training Regimens

Time: 45:16 – 52:53

• Chavo discusses bad injuries: busted orbitals, torn biceps, and a near-fatal brain bleed incurred from a Billy Kidman Shooting Star Press.

  “My wife’s next to me... you had brain bleeding... they were going to cut your head open if it didn’t stop.”
  – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [45:31]

• Both reflect on fortunate recoveries, the pain levels in retirement, and how “not being a giant” spared them total destruction.
• Steve and Chavo talk modern training: less heavy lifting, more smart, purposeful work, frequent but brief gym sessions.

11. Transitioning from the Ring: No Exit Strategy

Time: 54:35 – 61:45

• Both open up about not having a retirement plan or exit strategy—wrestling was “life,” and both only started finding other paths after their in-ring careers wound down.
• Chavo’s career after WWE: India, TNA, indies, and eventually finding a new path producing with Lucha Underground and working on GLOW.
• Steve reflects on the aimless period post-retirement—drinking and fishing until he found podcasting and TV—mirroring the struggles most wrestlers face when their original dream ends.

  “Everything I did my entire life was to be a pro wrestler.”
  – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [56:04]

• Both discuss how tough it is for wrestlers to let go (“the bug, man – you never really retire…” – Chavo, [56:04]) and the dangers of holding on too long.

12. GLOW & The Next Chapter (Tease for Part Two)

Time: 53:06 & throughout

• Chavo alludes to his role in GLOW (Netflix), consulting, and training the cast—full discussion promised in Part Two.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Family Pressure:

  “Once I became a wrestler… people say oh you’re Guerrero, come on in... then they’re comparing me to Eddie, who they’re comparing to my father, who they’re comparing to my grandfather. And it’s tough.”
  – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [15:48]

• On Respecting Wrestling’s Art:

  “Wrestling is an art form. I tell people that all the time. They think we just go in there and wrestle. It’s an art form to learn this business.”
  – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [25:43]

• On Kayfabe & “Seeing the String”:

  “Don’t ever let them see the string. … The biggest form of flattery is they want to lose themselves in your match.”
  – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [43:17]

• On Transition and Letting Go:

  “Everything I did my entire life was to be a pro wrestler... no exit strategy.”
  – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [56:04]

• On WWE’s Place:

  “WWE is the Coca Cola of wrestling. Everyone else is just an RC Cola.”
  – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [22:47]

• On Helping the New Generation:

  “Nowadays it’s a dying art. So we want to give as much as we can to these guys because it’s going to be lost if we don’t.”
  – Chavo Guerrero Jr. [33:18]

• About Buddying Up on the Road:

  “When Vader was riding with Harley Race, the rule was Harley always drove… by the time Harley had finished the beer... he had to have another beer popped open tab… or there’s going to be hell to pay.”
  – Steve Austin [09:17]

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Important Timestamps by Segment

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 04:37 | Start of Chavo conversation & Broken Skull IPA | | 12:33 | Guerrero family pressure and growing up wrestling | | 16:36 | Teachers and lessons learned in the ring | | 19:17 | Being a multi-generation wrestler and business sense | | 22:47 | Lucha Underground and television innovation | | 25:24 | Teaching wrestlers TV skills, importance of cameras | | 28:14 | Talent development, WWE entry, and the missing step | | 36:46 | Technicalities of ring sizes and in-ring work | | 42:05 | Protecting match integrity & kayfabe/magic analogy | | 45:16 | Injuries and pain: road stories & recovery | | 54:35 | Retirement, lack of exit strategy, next chapters | | 61:45 | Chavo’s transition from WWE to Lucha Underground |

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Tone & Style

The conversation is classic Steve Austin: relaxed, candid, old-school, and laced with inside lingo, road stories, and mutual respect. Chavo is articulate and direct, providing a treasure trove of wrestling knowledge. Both men exude authenticity, pride in their craft, and concern for the wrestling community’s future.

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Summary Takeaways

• Chavo Guerrero Jr. exemplifies the highs and hardships of carrying a wrestling dynasty name.
• Both value the legacy, art, and evolving techniques of pro wrestling, and lament the fading of hands-on mentorship.
• Their journeys demonstrate the importance of adaptability—whether in-ring, in beer ventures, or after the bell.
• The episode’s insights on psychology, selling, match “integrity,” and working the camera are essential listening for fans and aspiring wrestlers alike.

Stay tuned for Part Two, promising a deep dive into Chavo’s work with GLOW, and more tales from wrestling’s inside lanes.

Transcript

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[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

The following program is.

[Steve Austin]

A podcast ONE.com production from Hollywood, California.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

By way of the Broken Skull Ranch. This is the Steve Austin Show.

[Steve Austin]

Give me a Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Now here's Steve Austin.

[Steve Austin]

All right, everybody. Welcome to Steve Austin Show. I am coming to you from the main streets of Los Angeles, California today, sitting here at 317 Gimmick street on a Sunday afternoon as I do the open of this podcast. Hell, I'm heading over to Nevada for about a week, leaving on Monday tomorrow. So I'm turning in my reads and my open early. I've got the WWE Network going right now full blast. Got a ring full of women. Charlotte just making her entrance. It's going to be a money in the bank ladder match. Well, a money in the bank match and you're going to use ladders to get up to the briefcase. And this is going to be a very interesting match. Second match on the card just got finished turning on the network and it looked like Elias dropped one to Seth Rollins. As Seth Rollins retains an Intercontinental title, I'm going to get a chance to watch his pay per View in its entirety here in a little bit when I get finished with my work. As I said, I'm headed over to Nevada for about a week, get some things done, take care of some business, do a little relaxing. So I come over here to do this podcast and send it in. I've already had my conversation with the one and Only Chavo Guerrero Jr. The Guerrero family is one of the most famous wrestling families that there ever has been. You got the Von Erichs, you got the Fox, got the Guerreros. I mean, you got, man, I could go into, you got the Gagne's, there's a bunch of famous wrestling families. But man, Guerrero's, holy smokes. There's a bunch of them and they were all awesome. I'm talking with Chavo Guerrero Jr. Today. We're going to eventually, probably in the Thursday podcast, we'll get to talking about Glow, the new season on Netflix. Chavo Guerrero Jr. Has been consulting on that, working with the girls, the women on the fight, coordination, and giving his technical expertise in many different aspects. Today, man, he came over a few days ago. We're just shooting the breeze, talking to business of pro wrestling. It's not a surprise that Chavo is as knowledgeable as he is about the business. We talk about things in detail here. And of course, you know, he's third generation. I mean, he's got, you know, wrestling on both sides of his family, so the guy really knows his stuff. But over the years, you know, in our travels, we've done some business together, some promos and stuff like that. But, you know, Chavo was running with a different crowd. I was running with a different crowd. We never just sat down and really had a conversation. It turns out, man, we got a lot of things in common just as far as personal life, so it's a great conversation. I enjoyed talking to him. He's a wealth of information, very articulate, very eloquent, and knows the stuff inside and out. So today's conversation is with the one and Only Chavo Guerrero Jr. I hope you enjoy it. I think you will. Today we're just shooting a breeze about the business of pro wrestling. We're gonna segue into a lot of different directions and really cover The Glow Season 2 on Netflix on the next episode, along with a bunch of other stuff. So enjoy the podcast. Check out Glow on Netflix coming right around the corner. Season two. As you know, man, going back in the day, I was a hu fan of glow with Tina Ferrari and all the gang over there. That was just something I really dug. So I was just watching a few episodes of season one the other day, and I got to check out season two and get into the whole series because I was such a fan. I didn't know what to think about this new special, but I will be checking it out. But I got a bunch of things to do. Pack my bags and get ready to get out of here. I want to watch the WWE network pay per view. Money in the bank. The women are just getting going, and looks like a hell of a match you're having. I got my notes in front of me, so I'll get back to that and take care of some business here. Chavo Guerrero coming up.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

This is the Steve Austin show.

[Steve Austin]

All right, I'm rolling sound here at 317 Gimmick Street. I'm popping the top on a couple of broken skull IPAs. Chavo Guerrero Jr is my guest today here at the house. We're about to talk about glow, wrestling and a lot of other things. Just shooting the breeze. I know you've been on Chris Jericho's podcast extensively. You guys have covered a lot of ground, so let's try to cover some different material and shoot the breeze. Obviously, I don't think you guys have talked about glow.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Not really, no, man. We kind of talked about right before we started doing the. The second season. We weren't even knowing we were picked up yet, so we just kind of shot a little bit and, you know, but we're always. We don't start talking about, you know, the Guerreros and how crazy my dad was and stuff. But hold on. Let's get the Cheers on this. We got some Broken Skull IPA right here that I've been hearing so much about.

[Steve Austin]

And, well, see, it was interesting. When you came by or just walked in the front door, you said, man, he goes, I want to try your beer. I was going to bring some. And I said, man, you don't like no ipa?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Oh, man, I like it, but I'm Mexican. We'd like it all. We just like. I. I knew the Fit Finley when I first met Fit Finley. I go, hey, man, what kind of beer do you like? He goes, cold. That's all he said. Him and Dave Taylor go cold.

[Steve Austin]

But it take you a while to make the swing because, man, like, basically, here. Cheers.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Cheers. Cheers. Yeah, man.

[Steve Austin]

And then an unsolicited response as far as your take on the beer.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Oh, yeah, man. It's not. You know, sometimes they hit you in the face, some of those IPAs, man. It's like drinking a pine tree sometimes. Or you're like, wow, this is good. You could. You could throw this down easy. What's the alcohol content on these?

[Steve Austin]

6.7.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Oh, yeah, that's not. That's good.

[Steve Austin]

So you can use it. I use a low on this because I don't like real bitter. That kind of hits mid palate. I don't like anything too up front or too far back. So it hits mid palate.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

That's good. That's great.

[Steve Austin]

When we came up with this beer at El Scana Brewing Company, myself and the owner, Rob Crocs, all sat there at a table, and we had 12 or 15 beers that we both liked. And I kind of described each one and how they hit, and we weeded them out. And then he came up with this formula, man. And I went up there after we brewed the beer, I went back 25, 30 days later and took a test beer. And I was like, I Figured this process was going to take a long time because. Can we talk about your project? You're about to come up with a beer.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I got a beer coming out called Guerrero Golden Ale. That's the working name right there. Right. And it's like a blonde. A blonde ale, but it's also called a golden ale. And the reason I went that way real quick is with IPAs and all that stuff, you start limiting your. Your market and, you know much more than I do on this, but you start limiting your market. And. And this is something like the. The IPA market's only like 5%, so you have all these companies trying to vie for that 5% now, as opposed to a lighter beer that everybody drinks, it's more like a 75%. So I don't know.

[Steve Austin]

Well, dude, you do the numbers. I mean, Bud Lights, the number one selling beer, right? Probably in the world, but for. Definitely in the United States, you know, Coors, like, Nicor's Light is number three. I think Meadow Light's number two, but Bud Light is number one by Landfall. Wow. So, yeah, to your point, of Mexicans.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Over here, and they're taking over, man, drinking Bud Light, man.

[Steve Austin]

You know what I think? I think Modelo was ahead of Corona and Tucati, really? But I would think that Corona was on top.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

But I'm a Corona Light guy. If I'm drinking light beers, then I can just. Now if I'm at the river, I'm throwing down cruise lights like crazy. You know what I mean?

[Steve Austin]

That's your go to flavor.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

Come on, man.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I've been at cruise lights since I was in high school, man. Man, for sure, dude.

[Steve Austin]

I drank. I drank a ton of them.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

That's Coors Lights. You throw them down, man. But if I'm, you know, if I'm gonna drink like, you know, I want drink. If I want to drink 20 beers, I'm drinking Coors Lights. If I want to drink eight beers, I'm drinking Corona Lights. If I want to drink one or two beers, I do an 8. An IPA or something to that effect.

[Steve Austin]

You know, the thing about these, these are 22 ounce bombers. So, I mean, it's almost two beers and it's six, seven, you know, I don't know. You were around. You're a little bit younger than me. You're 47.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

4 7. Yep.

[Steve Austin]

So do you remember when the. When the ice beers came. Came out?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah, but ice, they had Miller ice. What was the other one? That was real big.

[Steve Austin]

God damn.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

They all had ice.

[Steve Austin]

I was In Georgia at the time.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Steve Austin]

And they're all about. They're about five, five and a half percent alcohol. And all of a sudden, you know, you go from drinking a light beer to those ice beers. A little bit of a kick. And so for a while they hit, but then it was like everybody kind of went back to light beers because, like, to your point, they wanted to drink 20 and. And be able to kind of still function. I don't want to say drive. Sure, sure. We've been there and did that probably a few times.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Going up and down the road. That was not me. Throwing beer. Beer bottles out the side of the road and hitting the beer the signs. That was not me. Actually. I grew up traveling with my dad and some of the guys back then. And, bro, I just. What they used to do, man, they would never stop drinking. Harley racing, those guys, you just kept their beer full. I was in the back as a kid, and every time I saw them finish a beer, I had a. That was my thing. Give him a new beer.

[Steve Austin]

That was the thing. When Vader was riding with Harley Race, the rule was Harley always drove and Leon rode shotgun. When I hitched a ride, I was in the back seat. But the rule was by the time Harley had finished the beer and it didn't take him long, crushed it and dumped it out the window, handed it to Leon. He had to have another beer. Popped open tab, you know, opening. Turned in the right spot to hand to Harley or there's going to be hell to pay. I mean, this is just according to.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Did he do the tomato juice with it?

[Steve Austin]

No, because we was flying down the road because.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Because we. Now, my uncle Mondo will tell me that when he first he worked with Harley one time where the. The main event guy didn't show up. My uncle Mono was green. Green. The business he looked at. My uncle Mon goes, I want to work with the kid there. So he worked with him and goes, kid, you're driving with me in the next town. And he said the whole time. You know, back then, the speedometers only went to 85. So he had it pinned. He didn't know how fast he went because they pinned the entire time. And every time his Harley's beer would run out, he'd pour a little bit of tomato juice and the whole beer. Here you go. He had it going from the whole time. So what was going?

[Steve Austin]

Tomato juice. I never really got into that.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I like that because it's like. It's a good hangover beer because it's in Mexico or, you know, this Mexican culture is called a Michelada. So now you can buy those. It's almost like Bloody Mary mix, but it's got all the stuff ready to go. You just pour a little bit in your beer and it just. It just got. It's sometimes a Bloody Mary. I can have one, two, sometimes too much for me, but you just throw a little bit in your beer and it's just. It's a good hangover, a hangover cure. You just start drinking, you know, three or four or five of those, you're ready to go again.

[Steve Austin]

So where are you at with respect to your beer? Have y' all done. I mean, y' all got a formula? Because going back to my story, when we brewed this, dude, I went up there and tasted it twice. I said, that's it. And I slept on it and I said, that's it.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

It's not heavy. It's not. Sometimes with ipa, man, it knocks you. Hit you in the face, which I like if I'm going to drink one, right? But it would be hard for me to swallow this whole. This whole 22 ouncer. This is really good, man. I'm not telling. I'm just not telling you that, guys, for real, it's great. I could drink many of these.

[Steve Austin]

So when I went up there, you know, and I said, okay, man, we'll do this one. But I thought, man, it's going to take seven or eight times to go through this, you know, brewing process to get the right beer. So where are you guys at?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

So we. So far, I've gone to the brewery, we've taste tested a bunch of different beers. I've narrowed down to the beer that I like that we think. Not just that I like, but everybody's really going to like, you know, it's kind of like a compromise, like a marriage. Good compromise, you know, I mean. Right. But so we went and so now we're just deciding if we want to throw. What's really getting big popular is kind of is beers. The little of a fruit hint in it, not too much. You know, you get like a grapefruit. I pre IPAs that I like and stuff. But it's. And those are. Those are good. It's just got a little bit sweet. We're thinking of maybe we might call it Gory Bomb, because my grandfather gory made the Gory special and I turned that into a gory bomb. I don't want it to be too much of a wrestling beer, you know, I mean, but we're just. We're still kicking around, so we might throw a little hint of an orange, something like that in there. Or I'm not, we're not sure yet. We're gonna play with it a little bit, sir. That's where we're at. It's. We're very close. I could just pick that beer as the way it is now because it's awesome. And then we'd, you know, just sign some other dotted line, basically.

[Steve Austin]

Don't try to put ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag like a match. Yeah.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

How many times you said that? How many times you said that? Right?

[Steve Austin]

It's going on more and more and more as we, as we continue to watch the business evolve. Hey, man, you're talking about Gorey. And we were walking down the sidewalk to get these beers out of the crib, dude. What kind of pressure was it coming from? Just, y' all know the Guerrero family is one of the most famous wrestling families in the history of the business. Was there any pressure on you? Because I know that you would wrestle Eddie, you know, like during intermission, a lot of shows, way back in the day. Did you and Eddie actually went to college? Did you go to college? Because I'm asking you, how did you know that this was what you wanted to do, everybody else is doing in your family?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

So first, the first part of the question. Yeah, there was some pressure for sure as a kid. No, that's all. We had a wrestling ring in the backyard. I grew up with my grandfather's promotion. I mean, we've sold tickets, sold popcorn, sold 8 by Tens, set up the ring, traveled to us. It was fun. This was what we did. It was great. You know, there was.

We loved, Me and Eddie loved wrestling. We loved it. That's all we, you know, we had a, like I said, wrestling in the backyard. We learned how to walk in a wrestling ring. Then the summer before my freshman year, me and Eddie must have been a junior going to his junior year, maybe it was senior year, we traveled. My uncle Hector and my father were tag teaming for Dusty at Florida Championship Wrestling fcw. So we traveled for the summer, the entire summer we spent with those guys. And man, when I tell you we loved wrestling before, after spending, they took us on the road, they took us to the bars, they did everything. We really loved wrestling. After that we were like, wow, this is exactly what we want to do. Eddie lost his virginity on that trip, man. Man, it was. We every, every little town back in the day, you know, we'd go like, Monday would be Tampa, Tuesday Would be Orlando, whatever. I'm getting the dates wrong but Wednesday, the days wrong. Wednesday was West Palm beach. You know, they do, you know, TV somewhere. Then we do Miami, we do somewhere else. So you know, he and I would travel everywhere. We'd have our little, our little rats in every little city, you know. And I had my little 12 year old, 14 year old rats and I'd meet him, hey, how you doing? And you know I'd make out with you one hit every little place. I was like wow, this is what it's like, you know. And then you know, we'd go in the bars man, we'd travel in this place. And if I had to pull over to take a piss, you know, Mike Davis would look at me and say nah, we don't do that pissing the water bottle. I mean the Gatorade bottle kid. They'd never stop to eat afterwards because we had 300 mile back drive back. So we'd stop at the 711 or the gas station and we get beef jerky and hot dog and a bunch of beer and we'd get the Gatorades and just start driving. Man. We fell in love with it, man. It was pretty awesome one time. So Kendall Windham was there too. So Kendall was only. Eddie would maybe be 16, Kendall was 17, but Kendall was 6 foot 5 already. He was a big kid so he could buy beer. So when my dad and my uncle Hector would go do a shot for, for Bill Watts, he they fly to Houston. This is when we were there. And they'd leave us there for a day or two. So me and Eddie were like, what are we going to do? Like all right, let's call Kendall up. So he'd call Kendall come over, go buy us a beer. We'd be you know, looking through the medicine cabin and find a little and, and you know, oh man, it was, we were like on our own. It was like this is what it's like to be wrestlers.

[Steve Austin]

Yes.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

We couldn't wait. So you know that the pressure, there was no pressure there. Then once I became a wrestler, getting in the door was, was easy. People say oh you're grill, come on in. Well shoot, I don't been wrestling a year, you know, I mean I probably had 20 matches next, you know, I'm in WCW. I'm like really? And then they're comparing me to Eddie, who they're comparing to my father, who they're comparing to my grandfather. And it's tough that, that's really tough. But it was like I learned on the job. And it was. It was a lot of sink or swim, for sure. And, you know, you're getting beat up a lot. You're getting. You get. So you get beat up so much that you get tired of being beat up, and then you start fighting back. And so my teachers were. Was. Was Benoit, Eddie, Malenko, Finley, Regal. Then we had the next, like, a.

[Steve Austin]

Who'S who of people that can.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah, then. Yeah, then we have. I mean, those guys beat me up every single night. Then we'd have the next generation that was like. We'd have, like, the Arns and the. The Hand or like the Hennings and those guys, like the Rudes and those guys. Then we'd go the orange and the flares and stuff. And then after that, we'd still have other guys like Dicky Slater and those guys. All those guys. I was working with those guys, like four generations of people. Colonel Parker was there and telling us all the old stories. And there was. You know, I had Booker T. And all. The locker room was incredible back then. We just missed you. You had just taken off. Right. I think when I first started there, you hadn't hit it hot.

[Steve Austin]

You weren't.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I think you were still the ringmaster.

[Steve Austin]

Yeah.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Or maybe you were just killing an ecw. One of the two. And. Man, dude, man, what a time to be. What, you're talking to Booker T. About this the other day. What a time to be wrestling. So, anyways, we get rustling, and first I'd have to pay for a lot of my dad's mistakes from a lot of the guys that, you know, they wronged. You know, he getting me in the ring. And they'd be like, certain guys, like Scott Hall. I love him to death, but he lit me up real good. And that boy's got some hard chops, and he's known for that. Man, he chopped me so hard, he. He literally, like, not just welch in my chest, but cut my chest with his hand. And I was. Man, afterwards, I was pissed. My Uncle Hector looked at me and goes, yeah, welcome to the business, son. Because we do that every night. I was like, wow. I didn't know. I didn't know. It hurts so much. But then after that, man, you just get. You just, you know, you get your butt kick enough, and you're like, well, then nothing hurts anymore.

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[Steve Austin]

Then you're third generation.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Third generation on both sides. My grandmother met my grandfather because she went to see her brother Russell and then saw my grandfather and fell in love with him. And all of his brothers were Russells and his brother's kids and his kids were wrestlers. So on both sides of the family there's, there's, you know, 25 wrestlers in the family.

[Steve Austin]

That's crazy. This seems to be my observation that a lot of second generation guys or third generation, there's not, not as many second generation guys in most cases just seem to absorb the business or have a, have an understand a better understanding of it or they're more natural to it because they've been around it so much and they've just been observing it if they haven't been in the ring. But just being around it and understanding the dynamics of it, I see that for sure now.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

There's a lot of second and third generation wrestlers that are out of jobs that never made it. You see a lot of those guys, me and Fit Finley, I use Fit Finley a lot as a example because he's a third generation wrestler dude.

[Steve Austin]

He takes the business, you and I take it serious. I would venture to say he's probably more serious and dude, I'm about as hardcore as you can get, but he's definitely serious about business.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

We talked about a lot, man. It's real to us. It's not, it's not just the work, it's you in the ring. It's real. I remember my dad when I was a kid telling me, God, I feel the pain, man, when he was kicking my leg, I feel that pain. And I'd be the same way. I'd be in the back after selling my leg in a match and I'm still limping. And they're going, why are you limping? I'm like, oh, well. Oh, I'm okay. Nevermind. I just keep selling it. So me and Fit Finley were talking and Dave was like, sometimes there's things that I know in the business and I don't know how I know them. I just know them. And there's reason that when I went to Lucha Underground, so you didn't know that I'm part of a producer on Lucha Underground. So when I went there and they didn't really know wrestling, and all of a sudden I'm telling the camera guys how to film this. Now this is all from watching WWE and watching Vince and Kevin Dunn and all those guys do their stuff. And I was a very quick learner by watching, I was telling the camera guys how to film this, the director how to direct it, the. The seamstress, how to sew. So the, the costumes, the, the. The tight so that, you know, I got to have a spike on the knee. Because you kill somebody, you know, and, or. And then your ring is set up wrong. Your. All these different things, your mats wrong. You only have four foot mats. And like, you know, the set designer was going, well, that's you. That's all we have for a budget. I'm like, look, I get it. That's all we have for a budget. But we're flying over those and you're going to crack somebody's head open real fast. The show producer, Eric Van Wagner, who, you know, walks by me and goes, what'? What's up, Chavo? And I said, look, our mats are too small. He's a, why? And I explained to him, he goes, okay, order mats now. He was, it was like right there because he understood that these guys are gonna, they're gonna kill themselves. And before an indie show when they got nobody to sue, it's fine. But when you got Mark Burnett to sue, you know, they're gonna come after.

[Steve Austin]

You know, that's what I liked about working with Eric Van Wagonen on Tough Enough Dude. We'd have a little conversation.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

He loves you.

[Steve Austin]

And it was just, you know, we went out and did it. There was no script, wasn't no paper. Just we talked about it. And then they started filming it, right? He acclimated to the business very quickly, and he has a love for it and an appreciation for it and respect for it. So, like, when you say, hey, man, we need this, you know, there's no hesitation. And, you know, yeah, well, let's go get the other man. So these Guys don't kill themselves. Dude, you guys do some crazy shit over. I mean, some of that high flying stuff. I know some of his camera angles, but yeah, to a degree, yeah. But some of that stuff that you, that the guys were jumping off of is very spectacular.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Our first season. So when I came on, you know, nobody really knew what we were doing now that we were doing, but we all had an idea of what we wanted to do and what the final product came out. I just say the stars aligned because that product, it changed the game a little bit. We did our own thing. WWE is the Coca Cola of wrestling. If anybody else comes out and makes another cola, you're just an RC Cola. You're a knockoff. That's all you are. And we've seen it time and time again. Everybody trying to copy them, right? And they're doing something right because everybody's trying to copy him. So then we come in and Mark Burnett is notorious for saying, hey, I would rather fail.

Being original than succeed being the same. So that's what he did. And when we came in, when I, we were still filming the first season, I saw the first episode I get, I got to saw a preview of it. I was blown away. I was blown away just the way that the angles are. The, they come in with, you know, the, the shots of the helicopter coming into the city and they come into a scene and then it morphs into the ring. I was like, wow, I've never seen this before. Usually it's the production trying to keep up with the wrestlers, but this time it was the, it was the wrestlers having to keep up production. And I, I pulled the wrestlers aside, said, guys, come here. We need to step up our game because this is, this is, this is a new product. You've never seen this before. So then I got guys like Pentagon, Phoenix, Prince, Puma, now Willie Mack and Emil Muertes, Ricky Banderas, Drago, all these guys that have never. The world has Mexico seen them, but the world's never seen these guys. So. And I'm pulling these guys. These guys have been on TV sometimes for 10 years over there. I'm pulling them aside and go, look, this is all Vince stuff. Look at that camera right there. This is your money maker. Look at your face. If you're looking side to side, that camera's chasing you. You can't see. Stop and make sure that that camera focuses on your face. They're like, oh, Chavel, they never told us this before. I said, no one's told you this before. They say, no And I said, okay, just now grab a hold. I don't care if it's taking too long. You just stop and wait and sit on it. I don't care if they're quiet. Now, our believers are really. They're always constantly going, going, going. But I don't care if they're quiet. Just wait, stop. And they're like, nobody's told us this before. And I said, well, this is. This is how you do it. This is what I've learned. This is how I was taught. And I was taught by the best in the business. So it's worked for a long time. They went out and did it and look what they are doing now. This, like, you were talking about Pentagon and Phoenix before. Those guys are. How great are those guys?

[Steve Austin]

All these guys are awesome. My favorite gimmicks as well. So when you were at wcw, you were paying attention to the camera setups. And when you got to wwe, you were really paying attention. Dude, a lot of people don't get that because I. I didn't. I was there to work and I didn't give a shit where the cameras were. I just worked. And I was just worried about me. You were a little bit of level ahead of me on that curve.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yes and no, man, you know what? There's this. This is an art form. Wrestling is an art form. I tell people that all the time. They think we just go in there and wrestle. It's an art form to learn this business. And now I grew up. I'm 85 years. Wrestling has fed my family. I grew up with a wrestling ring in the backyard. Third generation on both sides. And it really did. When I tell you, it took me five years before I really knew what was going on. That's the truth. Five years of being at the highest level of being a wcw. Now, there were times when I was wrestling in there and like, I, like, I'd get out of the ring. I was like, well, who was my ref again? I don't remember who my ref was because I was so, like, like awestruck. But there's one time I was in the ring and I remember hitting. The guy was on the turnbuckle and I hit him.

[Steve Austin]

Boom.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

And I heard this, this roar, like, ah. And I went, what was that? And I stopped and I hit him again. Boom. And I went, oh, that's what they're talking about. The crowd learning how to work these people. I was like, that's what they're talking about. I didn't know. I was like, oh, there it is. But after that, it took me another five years. So I'm talking 10 years in this business until, and I tell, and this is not just because we're on this episode. It took me 10 years in the business till I had Ric Flair and I had you telling me, hey, going out of your way to go, excellent match. It took me a long time. One time was the Survivor Series. Me and Rey Mysterio went and tore it down like me and Ray do. And as I came back, you pulled me aside and you put your hand out, you said, excellent match. And I said, well, now I've made it. When Ric Flair was telling me, chavito, hey, great match, kid. I was like, all right, now we've arrived. And then you even get better than that, you know.

[Steve Austin]

But you agree? I agree with you because that five year mark is kind of a, you know, it's, it's there, but it's between the 5 and 10 and it's an average of 10 before, I think, you know, guys have flip back and forth, baby, face to heel, heel, baby, or whatever. But that 10 year mark is kind of, dude, at 10 years, you should know your shit inside and out. You're still gonna always have more to learn something. You know, if you are pissed poor tenure, if you're piss poor 10 years, you're probably not cut out for this business. But if you are, you should be outstanding by that point. And Macho Man's a classic example of that because I don't know how long he worked, shoot, what territory he worked before he got to uswa, but he was a macho man down there. But was he okay when, when Vince picked him up? Yeah, I mean, he'd already been in ring damn near 10 years and boy, all of a sudden he gets on WWF TV or New York TV with Vince and blows up because he knew how to work like a bastard.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

But that's how the business is. Just, it's changed because you didn't make it to WWE WWF until you were 10 or 15 years in, you didn't even make it there. That you were at the pinnacle of your career now. And nothing, I'm not, not talking nothing, just, but just saying that sometimes, because I respect those guys and I'm always, like I said before with you in the other room, that I'm for the wrestlers, man, I love, I'm always for the wrestlers. I want these guys to just thrive and I want these guys to be taken care of, you know, from all the stuff that we've gone through. But it almost Seems like they, you start your career there now and then you go somewhere else. You start in there like, you know, you go down to NXT or you get trained, you're a bodybuilder or a football player or whatever you are. And then you get, you get trained for a couple years and then you make it to the big time and you stay there for a couple years, then you leave. It almost seems like that's the way it's happening. But so there's something. We're missing a step. We're missing a step. And thank God that every, that indie wrestling. There was a lot of times that these guys like, like I want to, I'll say Ricochet, Prince Puma, who, When I got him in, in Lucha Underground, I was like, how come he hasn't been picked up before? And they're like, oh, well, they passed on him. Like, what, are you kidding me? Willie Mack, Brian Cage, all these guys. Like, what do you mean they passed on these guys? I'm like, but you know, when you're up there, you always think, well, they got rid of this guy, but they kept this guy. Like, how did that happen? I was always a huge fan of.

A Train Prince Albert Baldo. When they let him go and he went to New Japan, New Japan, I was like, oh, yeah, okay, there's a, there's a 320 pounder who can work, who doesn't mind putting people over and doing business and yeah, we'll go and let him go. I was like, how could you let this guy go? That guy's golden like that. That's who you build your company around.

[Steve Austin]

But it's interesting, you know, when I watch Lucha Underground and watch wwe, man, you know, I love wwe, absolutely. But you know, just because they have, you know, two live shows, five hours of programming right there stuff, three hours Raw, two hours smackdown. Do they need talent? And you know, a lot of their people have, you know, that are, you know, making their in ring debuts are not a lot of them, but a.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Few of them, they're not ready yet.

[Steve Austin]

Two, three and four years even, some even sooner than that. And dude, when you get your number called, it's like, you know, when I got called up from USWA and went to WCW and I'm working with beautiful Bob Eaton, one of my favorites of all time and so underrated, appreciated. If you don't know anything about Bob Eaton, you don't know shit about wrestling.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

That's right.

[Steve Austin]

I couldn't lace his boots, so I took a TV title off of him. So you Know what I say? Hey, man, I don't think I should beat Bob Eaton because I'm not good enough. So what are these kids supposed to say? You know, hey, they're giving you a push, so you take it out.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

You take what you got, because you don't.

[Steve Austin]

Green is green, you know? So you got to do what you got to do.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Absolutely.

[Steve Austin]

You know what? You. When you watch that Lucha Underground stuff like that, Mil mortes, I don't know how long he's been, but, man, I just. I love that guy's work. He's aggressive, mean.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

He. I got him. And he'll tell you. So Ricky Banderas has wrestled for a long time from Puerto Rico wrestling in Mexico as El Macias and stuff. And I wrestled him before he. We. Lucha Underground was even a thought. When we got him over here and they put that gimmick on him, I looked at him and I saw his first match, and I looked at him and said, no, come here. I go, Darrell, you do what you want. This is my opinion. But you are. And I always bring up Taker and Kane, because I go, you're a monster. You're not real. You can't kill you. Your name is Mil Muertez. You're a thousand man of a thousand deaths. They can't kill you, so don't put a rest. Hold on somebody. Don't grab a hold. Just beat them up. I see you, when I see your mouth open up, I see bats fly out of your mouth. And he's like, oh, wow, I love that child. Okay, okay. So every time he'd come to me like, how was that? And I said, more. Kill him. Kill him. Apologize later. Kill him. And they're like, okay, okay, okay. We're doing business, right? You're building business. You're building company. And then every time I see the guy, he hugs me and kisses me. He goes, chavo, you. You made me. You made me. No, I didn't. I just gave him advice that I learned from other people.

[Steve Austin]

But, dude, that's the thing. You got to have an advice handed to you or, you know, someone to solicit or offer it to you. Man, I came in just riding down the road and all the cars that I've been in, you know, with the veterans, man, I'd be, you know, picking their brain. Where there's gorgeous Gary Young or Maniac Matt Bourne or all these other guys or Danny Davis down there. Why'd you do this when you did it? Well, hell, Steve, here's why. And, you know, it's Stuff like that. Or riding down the road with Skandor Ackbar and Bronco Lubitz.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yo, Referee Lubitsch. Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

Riding in the back of a Delta 88 with velour interior. And you know, just listen to those old guys just tell stories and all of a sudden you start absorbing this shit. It's like just your sponge, a dry ass sponge. And all of a sudden they just keep pouring water and you just absorb it all. But it's those guys and that's always, I always just think it's, you know, it's as the road that I've been down, anytime I get shot.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Do Klondike, Bill.

[Steve Austin]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. On the ring crew, wcw. But all those guys, you know, if you don't pass down that knowledge, you know, the next generation can't learn from you. And that's what, that's what you got to do to keep the business going strong, in my opinion.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I agree. Hey, that's. And, and I tell the other guys now, like my dad and those guys and your time, they were very stingy with the business. They didn't want to give you the business because you take their spot. They're like, oh, we, we can't help you. We can't. You figure it out for yourself, kid. We'll give you a little bit. We won't give you all of it, but nowadays it's a dying art. So we want to give as much as we can to these guys because it's going to be lost if we don't. Now, wrestling evolves. It's like any kind of business, it evolves. If you don't evolve with it, it'll pass you by. I always bring up like Madonna, by the way. So I was listening, it was on the radio the other day, and my brother in law was going, you like Madonna? I said, well, I don't really have her music, but, but I respect Madonna because she's kept herself in the in as a performer, as an entertainer, in the limelight. Kept herself relevant for 35 years or whatever it is. And that's very hard to do. She constantly changed and evolved. And in wrestling, if you don't change and evolve, the wrestling will pass you by. If you keep doing the same stuff, if they're not buying it, they don't buy it. Sometimes they buy it and you're fine, you just keep going. But sometimes, I mean, I use Terry Funk. He did his first moonsault at 43 years old. Not saying you got to do a moonsault, but just, you just evolve you got to evolve. And if you don't, you don't. That's the thing that we're talking about with, you know, grab a hold or what do you say, 10 pounds of shit in the six pound bag or whatever, whatever that saying was. But the business has evolved a little bit. Every match can't be like that. But there's room for some of the matches to be like that. I remember Ricochet, we're talking about him. And the other kid from New Japan, that's the English kid that Will Ospreay. Osprey. They had that match and it got praised and it got a lot of criticism, right? Well, first of all, I can't do any of that stuff. And we were one of the top cruiserweights back in the day, right? Me and Mary Mysterio look at each other and go, oh, my God, we can't do any of this stuff anymore. Like, these guys could. We never even could. We never could think about that stuff. But we. I saw that match, I was like, wow, that's awesome. Would I have done that match? I couldn't. First of all, I couldn't do that match. I'd do it a little bit differently. But not that it was wrong, it was just different. The business has evolved, but it was.

[Steve Austin]

Their interpretation and their skill set they put out there.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

It was incredible. So Jeff Farmer, who used to be the nwo, Sting, Jeff Farmer, Cobra, he was like, in wcw, I remember he was great. Real cool guy, great guy. But when I first got to wcw, he pulled me aside and he says, the first time Eddie and Chris Benoit worked in wcw, the locker room had never seen that. So they did. They did about an eight minute match they got done and everybody was like. They walked through. Everybody was like, did you guys rehearse that for like three months or what? Like, no, we just went out and called it. What do you mean you called it? Well, we know each other pretty well. We just sit there like, I never done it. And Terry Taylor kicks the door down and goes, that's how you work, guys. That's how you do it.

[Steve Austin]

You.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

And they said the business changed, right when that happened. Literally when I got to WCW and all the cruiserweights were doing stuff. I remember seeing Kane do a hurricane or a headset, and I was like, okay, well, this business has definitely changed for sure. You know, not that he's doing those all the time, but I saw him do one with a big guy. I don't know if it was Midian or. Or somebody, you know, somebody like that. And he did one. I was like, wow, this changed.

This is the Steve Austin Show.

[Steve Austin]

Hey man, tell me about the, the rings you grew up with back when you was a kid.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Hard, man. The ring we had in the backyard was a. When I first, when I was a kid, it was 40 years old. So I don't know how old it is now. I mean.

[Steve Austin]

Well, was it as like with a 16 footer, 18 footer?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I mean, no, it was probably 20 footer. The one at the Olympic auditorium used to be a 24 footer. No, no kidding. If you look at it back at the Olympic auditorium here now. When my dad first started, that's why we're here in California, because my dad first started wrestling for Mike LaBelle at the WWA, I believe it was called. It was like NWA Hollywood. Basically it was like Freddie Blassie and John Tolos and very, very young Roddy Piper and Victor Rivera. I could go on and on, but that was a 24 footer back and forth. They said they'd get so blown up going back and forth. And they said, gosh dang, are you kidding me? Like really? Our rings, we had a few different rings. So my grandfather had like three different rings we had. He had the portable 16 footer and then he had. The one in the backyard was like a 20 footer. You know, that's about, you know, pretty standard. 18, 20.

[Steve Austin]

That's what WWE's using. We use 18 foot in WCW.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah, yeah, 18 and then 20. Yeah, right. That's kind of the standard in it because you can, you can port, you can transport it, but you can, it'll it, you can work in it. Actually, you know, you know, 16 footers are too small sometimes. If you know tag is 16 footer, forget it. You just can't even dude to think.

[Steve Austin]

About the 16 footers. Let me jump in here. We used to work on 10 shows when I first went to WWE back in 95 and 96. And I was working with Aldo Montoya. Yeah, PJ Polaco, whatever gimmick. He was working at the time. And man, the thing about the 16 footers was they're so small. You gotta really work hard to blow up in a 16 footer. You gotta really be out of shape to blow out in a 16 footer because you know, you send somebody into a reversal, you're already at the damn.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Rope step it to you.

[Steve Austin]

And so it's just. And plus they just, they're not like a trampoline. Because I hate when people compare a ring to a trampoline. But they just got that, that just set the whole square.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Sweet spot.

[Steve Austin]

Yeah, sweet spot. The whole ring is a sweet spot. Because in an 18 footer and a 20 footer, you damn sure want to find a sweet spot. But in 16 foot of, the whole thing is.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

So those things were just a blast to work in, plus the acoustics, I don't know. But between the iron, the wood and.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Everything, just tent shows like the Hamptons and all those. Remember those places? Cape Coddles? Yeah, man.

I remember. I was. That's a good story. We were in wrestling in Mexico somewhere. I think it was Tijuana and it was me, Edge and Orton. Randy Orton against Rey Mysterio and dx, who was Sean and Hunter. So we wrestled on there. Me and Ray had the big angles. So what was cool is that Hunter comes to me, goes, hey, do you mind if we all put our finish on you and beat you? I'm like, no, like, wait a minute. It took three of you guys maybe. Yeah, absolutely. Great. But nobody told me that it was a 16 footer. So when I got in the ring, I was like, okay, first of all, I'm in the ring with Triple H and you know, I don't care where you're at, you're, you know, you're like, okay, all right, let me gotta bring my game up a little bit here, right? And I'm looking around and like something's off in the ring. And I see guys get in the ring doing stuff and I'm, what's off? Why is this? I'm looking around the crowd, I'm like, what is different about this? And then I got in the ring and somebody shot me off and I hit the rope and all of a sudden I, I ate an elbow really hard because I just, soon as I turned around, the elbow was there. Boom. I went, oh, it's a small ring. That's what's different about this thing. I said, okay. Then I adjusted it, but. But I, I kind of was like, no one told me. And I was like, just, you know, sometimes you, you see something right in your face and sometimes you don't see it. And I, I just didn't see it. And I was like, oh, that's what it is. But that was a, that was a good dude.

[Steve Austin]

I can only imagine working in a 24 footer, because when you're adding 4ft to the WWE size ring, can you imagine that? No, I can't.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Grab a hold. No, I'm serious. I'm serious. There's a 24 footer man, this ring was massive. Four feet on each side. That's eight feet. And you're running eight more feet over a 10 to 25 minute period, you know. And back then, you know, you're doing that time. No, they didn't have 18 matches in the show, man. And then the apron, even the apron was, was bigger too, you know. So you look at that ring. That rings in a lot of movies too because they always film a bunch of stuff all over the. The Olympic Auditorium. You always see that Richmond 9517 one that, that side in the background and you see that, that rings in a lot of movies, like Bad News Bears movies.

I could all these movies back. The one and only, back in the day with Henry Winkler, that, that was filmed.

[Steve Austin]

See, the 24 foot ring would be great for a tag match because if there's one thing it really chaps my ass is when someone's going for the tag and the heels let them get too close and a baby. Or the heels got an alligator arm over there or if they got the tag rope, you know, they're hanging on to the right there by the turnbuckle instead of being extended with the rope and reaching out right to make it a shoot.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Alligator arms.

[Steve Austin]

So the alligator arm just really. Don't get me wrong, I've done my share of alligator arms in the past, but I just hate to see it from a technical aspect of the business.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

We, me and Eddie would, we, when we were tagging up as little squirrels, we hated that, man. We hated that. We would say, hey, we tell the guys, challenge them if you can tag, tag. It's our fault. And we'd have like, we will buy you drinks tonight, all right? We'd have like Spike Douglas running to try to tag. We'd like try to cut him off and stuff. But we would keep everybody in our side of the ring, like, right? I mean, in our. Not even our side, our corner, we wouldn't even turn our backs to them because if, if we did, they'd run and tag. We just challenge them. If you can tag, tag, man, it's our fault. So it was real in a sense like that, you know.

[Steve Austin]

But that's smart to do that because I mean, you know, the business will work, but you know, it's like, it's.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

A work, but it's not a work.

[Steve Austin]

People, but you got it. But at the bottom line, dude, you gotta, you gotta feel if you.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

And you'll tell me, you'll know this. If you don't believe it, they don't believe it.

[Steve Austin]

Exactly.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

When you were doing your. Your, you know, when you were stone cold in the heyday and you against, you know, Vince and all that stuff you're doing back in the day, you look in the eye, you believed it, you wanted to kick ass. It came off that way. We could see it. And I'm the same way. When I get in the ring, I believe. I'm looking at your. Looking at you, I'm like, all right, I'm going to kick your ass. Let's do this. Because it's. I always equate, and I use this example a lot when I'm teaching younger guys. I say, when you're in a bar fight, you know, been. We've both been a million bar fights, and all of a sudden, you look at somebody, and if I'm looking around his side and he looks away, I go, I got him. As soon as he looks away or looks down, I go, I got him. I got him. And I'll turn it up. But when I look at him and he goes, yeah, come on. I go, ah, shit, man. Now I gotta go. Like, he's calling my bluff, man. Like, oh, okay. But that's the way it is in the ring. He believes it because he knows that. I mean, I'm sure laser through them. And that's what it is in the ring. In the ring, if I don't believe it, those fans don't believe it. If I don't believe that, I'm going to beat the crap out of this guy.

[Steve Austin]

Or.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Or I'm getting my butt kick and I'm running away, and I'm trying. I'm trying to make that tag. Then. Then. Then it doesn't matter. So I tell the guys, if you're going to let me tag, well, then I'm going to tag. I'm not going to sit there and go, oh. Because then I. I always. You sacrifice the integrity of the match. Don't ever sacrifice the integrity of the match. There's a couple more examples I use. So one example is I equate wrestling to this one. I'm doing, like a seminar, teaching people. It's like. It's like magic. It's like Criss Angel. Chris, we all know magic's an illusion, just like wrestling. It's. It's entertainment. But, Matt, just because magic's an illusion, as soon as Chris angel starts floating, you go, whoa, he's floating. How's he doing that? Whoa, whoa. What's going on? How's he doing that? But when you see the string you go, okay, okay, change the channel. He's insulting my intelligence now. So I tell the wrestlers, don't ever let them see the string. Don't ever let them see that wrestling punch. Don't ever let them see, you know, a hold put on wrong. Because then they see the string, or don't ever can't make the tag, because then they see that string and then they change the channel. Because the biggest form of flattery is they want to lose themselves in your match. They wanted the suspense. Suspension of belief, you know, suspend their belief. So they want to. But if you don't let them, then they, then they can't. So as soon as you're like, unless they're, you know, five years or 10 years old, but even that, I mean, when I was kidding, kid at the Lickbar Auditorium, I'd ask my dad, hey, how come when they shoot you to the rope, you don't just, you don't, you don't stop? He goes, what do you mean? I go, well, shoot me the rope. We're in the ring, I'm 10 years old. He shoots me in and I kind of stop and he shot me and he went for it and I slowed down and I go, how come you don't do that? He goes, well, you know, it's rustling. We don't do that. And I went, okay, but I'm 10 years old thinking that a 25 year old man's gonna think, you know, come on, let's, let's not insult their intelligence. It's not sacrifice that integrity of that match. So take pride in your job. Take all you young guys, take pride in your business, take pride in your, on your, in your work and make them question whether this is a work or not. That's where you get them.

[Steve Austin]

Hey, man, you're 47. You've been in the business what, 22 years?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Probably more than I don't even know anymore.

[Steve Austin]

What's the worst you've been hurting?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Well, I'm just getting over bicycle tear right here. Look at this. Boom. My arms not straightening like yours all of a sudden.

[Steve Austin]

What happened?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

You know, Wrestlemania weekend, we're all in, in New Orleans and we had a Russ A Lucha Underground vs Lucha Underground vs Impact Wrestling. TNA Impact. I was agenting the show, you know, for Lucha Underground. And I came in, I came in there and then they say, hey, can you wrestle? Yeah, sure. Sure enough. Some guy jumped out, I'm trying to protect him, and just. It just popped off. Just, just a fluke just popped off. So worse injury because you Know, we've all been injured a lot, you know, broken eye orbits, and I tore this one in 03, this bicep. The worst injury was when I got knocked out in the ring. Billy Kidman did a shooting star press in the ring, Fresno, California, landed right on my head. And he almost almost killed me because my brain was bleeding. You know, I woke up in the hospital, my wife's next to me, and she's like. I'm like, why are you here? And she's like, well, you had brain bleeding and they were going to cut your head open if you didn't. If it did pressure didn't. If it didn't stop to relieve the pressure. So that's probably the worst I lost. I didn't work for about four months. I kind of had to learn how to rewrite and stuff a little bit. But it is what it is.

[Steve Austin]

What Billy say to you?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Oh, he was really. He felt really bad, but was really cool is that he was still married to Tori Wilson at the time. So I was like, well, okay, you try to kill me, so I'm gonna go hit on your girlfriend for. On your wife for a while.

I go, what's he gonna say? You would have. You almost got killed me. You're gonna kill me again.

[Steve Austin]

We'll never have that guy. Good looking guy, good worker. I know he's producing for a while.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Kidman is. He's the timekeeper. He took for Briscoe's job.

[Steve Austin]

Okay.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah, yeah. Jerry Brisco, he's. He's the wwe. Yes. He's the main time people. Wwe. Yeah. He's positioned all the time, man. He. He's got a good little spot over there. Yeah. Good guy, good worker. He was awesome, man. He was. He was a lot of fun. We were group. We broke in together.

[Steve Austin]

You know, how do you feel as far as a pain level goes? Like, man, I. I talked to Tommy Rogers before he died.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah. What a great wrestler, man.

[Steve Austin]

Oh, dude, those guys were on fire. Fantastics. Okay. You know, I was talking to him and I said, steve. He said, steve. He goes on a 10 out of 10. I'm a 10. And so I was like, dude, are you that bad off? And he's telling about eating perks. I mean, he wasn't. He wasn't on just, you know, taking for the hell of it because he was hooked on him.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Sure.

[Steve Austin]

He was taking them for a shoot because that's how much pain he was in. So, you know, like. Like right now, as I sit here before you doing this podcast, you Know, everybody thinks I'm just beat to shreds. Yeah. And I am. But I don't, you know, on a 1 to 10, I'm not even a 1 on a daily basis. Every now and then you have those shitty days, but men are feeling far between.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

So how about you, with all the shit you did?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

You know, I actually feel good, man. What saved us is that we're not 6 foot 8, 300 pounds. Your bones and your ligaments, mine and yours, big shows. They're all the same strength. They're just bone and ligaments. I don't have 300 pounds, but pounding all that all the time. So I was able, we were able to get. Get away from it pretty good, you know, everybody in the family who's, you know, look back here and there, knees here and there, but for the most part, we're all okay, you know, And I'm, I'm one of those guys. I took care of my body. I really iced all the time, you know, I did, I went from the.

[Steve Austin]

You were ahead of your time.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah. I did the Dallas. I did the ddp, the DDP School of Self Help. We used to joke that in wcw his merchandise would have been. Was a ice bag with DDP on it. Because he'd be on the, you know, the plan. Loved EDP to death, but he'd been on the plane with like 18 ice packs on him. And tell him, the st. The flight attendant, hey, can you give me more ice? And she's like, you know, they only have so much ice on a plane, right? And he's like, she's like, son of a. This guy, really. He's like, fill all these ice packs up.

[Steve Austin]

It's like, dude, this guy's got some nerve asking you, hey, can you go give me some ice? And he's got a ice pack on every joint on his body. I used to tell him, because it was me and McFoley rooming with him. He's walking around the room naked with all these ice packs.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Well, he was like 80 years old back then. He, he'd lie and say he was 45, but he was 80.

[Steve Austin]

I'd have a bunch of beer, I'd have a bunch of ice from a beer. But, hell, all the damn ice would be in, you know, in baggies, on it, on his damn joint. So I just put a beer on his arm and go get when I needed it.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Exactly.

[Steve Austin]

So. So you feel pretty good?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I feel good, man. I, I, man, I'm, I'm. Thank God, man. I'm still I. I don't. I don't wake up in pain. Now, there's day. Like you said, there's days for sure, you know, but, you know, it is what it is. And, you know, age has a lot to do with it, too. You know, you don't heal as fast like this. Biceps are taking a lot longer than.

[Steve Austin]

What are you doing with your workouts now? I mean, because you're staying active. You look good. I mean, obviously still in the gym.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

So I just started working out again. I was on the margarita diet. The margarita diet? Oh, no.

[Steve Austin]

Ranch margaritas.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

No, no, I was on. I was training hard, and right before I got hurt, I was probably the best I ever looked, Man, I was jacked. I was veiny. I felt awesome. And then you got hurt. And so I started sitting on the couch for a little bit. And, you know, I like to eat. So we're eating, hanging out. So I just kind of started training again, probably the last two weeks, you know, so I feel good, you know, I mean, when I go in the ring, I'm gonna go to the gym. I train hard. I train. I don't train. I train smart, though. I don't train real heavy. I just get in there, I kill it. I'm in there for about 45 minutes to an hour, and I get out and I'm there about five days a week. Just, boom, I hit it.

[Steve Austin]

You send a body part every five days or what?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I. I play off how I feel, you know, I mean, sometimes I'll do a back and buys. If I only got a little time, I'll just hit shoulders real quick, you know, it just. It just depends. I'm one of those guys that's lucky that I don't have to do a lot of legs because they just grow faster than. You're probably the same way, right? They grow a lot faster than the rest of my body. So I'm kind of like. That takes a whole body part that I don't have to do all the time, you know. So, you know, I'm a chest and. Chest and shoulders guy. And then I'll do arms one day, and then, you know, if I get real, you know, enthusiastic, I'll throw some abs in there, you know, but back for sure, you know?

[Steve Austin]

So what are you doing with your rep range?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I don't. I don't go less than four. I don't ever, like a one rep maximum. I'm not trying to gain size or strength anymore. I'm usually a. I superset everything. I try to get a 10 rep range. If I can hit more, then I'll hit more. But I'm usually about a, you know, 10. I do everything to failure the way it goes, but it's usually about 10 reps until I can't do it. I'll stop, drop the weight and hit it again. I don't have to do too much anymore. So as a kid I didn't have to do a lot of cardio, now I have to do more cardio. But you know, it's hard for me to gain weight back then. Now I keep my size, no problem. So like if I'm doing chest, I'll blow it out with a bunch of push ups first and get my chest activated. And then whatever I'm doing, it's just repping it, it's pumping out. If I'm doing back, I'll grab like a 65 pounder and rep, you know, 20 on one side, like bent over rows. 20 on one side, 20 the other. 15, 15, 10, 12, 12, 12, 10, 10. And after that, man, now it's like I'm jacked. I'm pumped and now I just, I'll do another 12 exercises but everything is just, I'm done, I'm out.

[Steve Austin]

That's kind of what I'm doing. Like it's part of my pressing movements. I'll start off, you know, like on bench with the bug 35, but I'll do probably five sets, but I'll do it right, right. Failures. So then when I start going down to get my fives in or my eights, my fives, I pre exhausted everything. So you don't like the weight is not that much, right? But it feels like a lot.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

You're not trying to gain size anymore. It's different.

[Steve Austin]

You're like, I'm trying to train smart. I mean, because I got two blown rotator cuffs. I had them fixed, but you know, they're not the same. That's not red straighten out. It's all the same. But I try to kind of get everything tired before I tax it with again. It's not heavy, but it feels heavy to me at the time.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

It's the way of life. We continually just hit it all the time. I don't ever miss more than a day or two. Even on vacation I feel bad if I'm not doing squats or doing something. I mean after like man, two days, today's the third day I got to do something. I got to break a little bit of a sweat because that way I can drink more beer and I can eat More. But I just feel like I'm just, that's just my, my routine, man. I gotta, I gotta do to get a little sweat in there. I gotta do something, you know?

[Steve Austin]

Hey, man, last time you competed in the ring, was that for Lucha Underground? I was just watching you versus Ray in the loser leaves Lucha match. And that was from, I think 16. Yeah, but are you, are you still.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Actively in the ring? Yeah, you know, so. So besides Lucia on the ground, I'm doing GLOW also. Right, Yep.

[Steve Austin]

I want to talk about that because that's why you're here.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Sure. So those two shows keep you pretty busy. You know, once I, if I throw a third show in there, I'm pretty booked. So I only do maybe about 10 to 20, maybe 10, 12 shows a year. Outside of that, I'll do some indie shows. What's cool is that the indie market basically has changed. We got Comic Cons now. I mean, I did russellcon in New Orleans. But what sucks is that we at about, maybe about 12 or 1 o', clock, all of our business stopped because there was somebody that had a line that was around the building, I mean, and. Oh, that was you. Yeah. So you're banned from West Russellcon, by the way. You cannot go to any more WrestleCons because you took business away from everybody. This is the truth that we were all killing, man, this is great. We're all making great money. Meeting all these fans and all of a sudden, like, crickets, like, like, like, what's going on? I thought I was doing stand up comedy. What is happening here? And then all of a sudden, like, oh, well, Stone Cold started signing and I was like, all right, great. I mean, really? All right, all right, all right, cool. But, you know, just, just joking. But we know I still do, you know, some autographs, autograph signs here in Comic Cons and you know, I'll do matches here, here and there. Just depends, you know, you're not doing the WrestleMania matches. You're out there and you're kissing babies and, you know, high fiving people and doing that kind of stuff.

[Steve Austin]

But did you ever have an exit strategy for leaving the business? Because when I retired, I was 38 years old. When Eddie died, he was 38 years old. That's the ultimate retirement. Respect.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Absolutely. Yes.

[Steve Austin]

For sure. I love that guy. I was at his funeral.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I know you were.

[Steve Austin]

So I got out 38 years of age. I didn't know what I was going to do. I was like about 90% of the other boys. I didn't have a plan. I Was sitting there in San Antonio in a gated community, and I was drinking, hunting and fishing and doing a lot of stupid shit. In any particular order you want to name? Then I said, hey, man, you better take your ass out there to Los Angeles and at least try to capitalize on what name you have left. So start doing some independent movies. And I don't really like acting too much. I found reality television. I started podcasting. So I. I found my way out here. My point is, I didn't have a plan like most other boys. I just, okay, now after three years of having my thumb up my ass, the R word always sounds good until you get there and it's like, what do I do? I still need to pay my bills. I got my monthly nut, all that other stuff. And so now you're still making your appearances, that stuff, and still doing maybe 12 appearances in the ring, and you found producing and Lucha Underground and doing the stuff of glow, which we're going to segue into too, because that's pretty amazing. I was a huge GLOW fan. Biggest Tina Ferrari fan in the world way back in the day.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Ivory.

[Steve Austin]

But dude, did you have an ex tragedy? Were you riding down the road one day and thinking, hey, man, once I get out of the business, maybe I should try this?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Hell no. We were wrestling, wrestling, wrestling. That's. We ate.

[Steve Austin]

I'm glad to hear that. I'm sad to hear that.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

At the same time, we ate, slept, breathed, dream, crapped wrestling our entire lives is what we did. Everything I did my entire life was to be a pro wrestler. When I played football. When I am at your wrestler in high school and college was to be a pro wrestler. And that was it. That's the only thing I want to do my entire life. So when I became a pro wrestler, I mean, it was. That was. That was the best. There was no extra. You just keep going, keep going, keep going. And then all of a sudden you start seeing your. Your idols, you know, My idols? Who? My family, of course, my father. Then you start seeing guys, like, just without naming any names, all these guys, and all of a sudden they're still holding on to things, you know? And I always say that the movie the wrestler could have been called the hockey player. The basketball player could have been called anything. The football player. If you continually to hold on, we can only borrow in the ring, the sports entertain the sports aspect of it for a short amount of time. Then we got to give it back. No one told me that it wasn't. It was just like wrestling, wrestling, wrestling. Okay. And then we'll go into producing and stuff. And I saw my dad always just trying to hold on to it, man. He was always trying to hold on and go back to. He might have had a degree, he'd become a teacher, go back to teaching and start teaching again. He'd be doing, you know, two or three years with teaching and pension and stuff. The next one, he'd get a shot. He'd leave all that to go wrestling Japan. I was like, dad, what are you doing, man? He's like, he's that bug, man. You, you never retire. He never fully retired from the ring. So I just started. You know, there's a time when you're in WWE and you know when you're being used and then you know when you're not being used and you're like, okay, now I'm here to help everybody get better. I get it. I totally get it. And I see where it's at. I didn't want to, I didn't want, I needed to be that. You know, they'd asked me to be an agent a couple different times and I was like, I'm not ready for that. But then I didn't want to be in the. My payoff was being in the ring as an agent, which was awesome. Is great. You're still on the road all the time, man. I didn't know what to do. And then Eddie passed and then Chris passed and it was. Man, it was tough. It was like, man, do I want to keep doing this? There was about. About a three year period that me and my wife kicked around. Thank God she was on my side for sure because she was always going, you know, if you need to leave, you leave. You do what you got to do. Nah, man. I got college funds to put together. I got mortgages, I got retirement, all this stuff. I'm like, can't just leave. Finally one time I came home and I looked at her and said, hey, I quit. And she said, you what? I said, yeah, I quit. When did you quit? I quit last night. And she's like, okay, all right, let's do this. So I kind of sat kicked around for about six months.

[Steve Austin]

Where were you?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Wwe.

[Steve Austin]

Okay.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I was in wwe And I finally. You want to know the whole story? Yeah, here's the whole story. So I do a. Already a little disgruntled there, you know, and you used everybody.

[Steve Austin]

But we all get disgruntled.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

We all should think we should, you know, we should be getting more than we should be doing. Okay. I'm better than this guy. Okay, whatever. I. I get it. It's. It's what one man sees in you up there. You know, Vince sees you up there, then doing something. That's what you're doing. You got to convince one guy, right? So we're there, and they have, like, one of the other shows, the Saturday shows, whatever it was. And I got to put over Yoshi. Yoshi Tatsu, no offense. He's great guy, great. I enjoy him very much. But I go to Johnny Ace, who's head of talent relations at the time, and I said, why am I doing this? Finally, I start questioning things. Now. It's a little late. I should have started questioning a couple years before. Now I'm questioning. And he's like, well, man, you know, well, travel. You know, this show's really big in Japan. And I'm like, oh, really? That's where you're doing that? So are we a Japanese company now? Are we a world company? That's what I asked him. And he said, well, I get what you're saying. I get what you're talking. And I said. I said, look, man, I just don't. I don't agree with this at all. I think this is wrong. I was already at my breaking point.

[Steve Austin]

Yeah.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

So he goes, well, you know, this is just the direction we want to go with. And I said, okay, I get it. I will do this, but I would like my release, please. Kind of took him off guard. He was like, what? And I said, look, I'm done. I see where I'm going. I see where this is at. I probably should have done this a bit earlier. Okay, whatever. He said, well, I got to talk to Vince about this. Okay? So I went over, did my job, put Yoshi over, went home that day. I get a call from John. He says, well, you know, Vince is still trying to kick it around a little bit. And I'm like, all right, well, is he gonna let me go? He's not gonna let me go. One or two, you know? So I'm waiting there, waiting there. He's like, all right, don't come to TV this week. So I'm sitting home, all right? We're still paying me. All right? So then I get a call from Johnny the next week and says, hey, Vince has agreed, but there's conditions. I said, what do you mean? Conditions? Before. But you get your release, you're still paid for three months, and then you can go do what you want, right? Well, that wasn't with me. It was like, okay, anytime you got to work with anybody else, you need to let us know this. And I was like, all right, that's fair. I just need to go. And man, I was. I felt like a weight was lifting off my shoulders. It sucked because.

You don't know what you're gonna do, but same time, it's like, okay, weights lifted off for a second. Let me chill out at home. Thank God WWE is really cool. We're giving you three months to contemplate it a little bit and, you know, get your feet back on your ground. So I, I kind of sat there for a little bit and I didn't do anything. And. And six months went by and I was like, all right, well, I still got some bills to pay and stuff. All right, you know, I did. I didn't make stone cold money, so I was like, you know, I did well, but I wasn't. Millions and millions in the bank. When everybody thinks you're on tv, you're all rich, you know, So I just sat there and I was like, all right, well, let me go back to work a little bit and start doing a couple indie things. Got a shot with Jeff Jarrett and did some things in India called Rinka King, which led to tna. I went to TNA for a year and left there after a year. And then I didn't know what I was gonna do. I kind of left wrestling for a minute. And that's from Lucia Underground callback.

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[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

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All right, everybody give me the Go home Cuesta. I'm gonna wrap up his podcast ride off into the sunset. Before I do that, I want to thank Chavo Guerrero Jr. For coming down the road to 317 Gimmick street and shooting the breeze with me and drinking Broken Skull IPA in the process. Good time seeing you and look forward to talking again. He will be on Thursday as we pick up the second half of this conversation. Get into more conversation. Conversation about GLOW and other aspects of the business and Chavo's life. Really cool dude. Very interesting guy. If you need something to watch, go check out season one of Glow, the series on Netflix. And stay tuned for Glow season two right around the corner on Netflix. Hey man. ProWrestlingTease.com SteveAustin has all my shirts from Broken Skull Ranch. You want a shirt? I got a bunch of badass shirts for [e-mail] and that's the bottom line. If you're thirsty, I got the best damn IPA on the planet, bar none. It's called Broken Skull IPA from El Segundo Brewing Company. You can find Broken Skull IPA here in Cali in Whole Foods and Total Wines. I saw it at the BevMo down the road too. If you ain't in Cali, check inside the cellar.com and see if they ship to your state and if they have any in stock. And if you're looking for a badass pocket knife, I got one of my right pocket right here right now. But you cannot have it. But if you want one like it, you can go to my new Amazon store and check out the Cold Steel Broken Skull knife or the Cold Steel Working Man's knife or go to Cold Steel's website. They got all kinds of knives but I highly recommend my 2 just because of the functionality. Everyday carry badass sharp blades. Two different sizes, two different styles, but they're both high quality, made by Cold steel. Amazon has the best price on both knives. Go to Amazon.com shop steveaustin Bottom line folks, I'm on social media, Twitter and Instagram. Steve Austin BSR until next time, my name is Steve Austin and I'll catch your ass down the road. This has been a Podcast one production.

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