Chavo Guerrero Jr. PART TWO - SAS CLASSIC

Summary

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The Steve Austin Show

Episode: Chavo Guerrero Jr. PART TWO – SAS CLASSIC
Date: December 11, 2025
Host: Steve Austin
Guest: Chavo Guerrero Jr.

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Steve Austin Show continues the wide-ranging conversation between Steve Austin and second-generation wrestler and Hollywood stunt coordinator Chavo Guerrero Jr. The theme centers on Chavo's unique post-wrestling journey in television, film, and stunt coordination—particularly his behind-the-scenes role on Netflix's GLOW—as well as their shared experiences in wrestling, fond memories of Eddie Guerrero, and reflections on the evolution of the business. The episode is equal parts storytelling, industry shop talk, wrestling history, and gratitude for new opportunities beyond the ring.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Chavo's Transition from Wrestling to Hollywood

• Chavo's move to Lucha Underground:
  • Chavo recalls being recruited to help produce Lucha Underground, noting Hollywood’s differences from wrestling: "I realized that this is not a wrestling company, it's a TV show... they're TV guys that don't know wrestling." (13:09)
  • Took an unusually hands-on producer role (costumes, set design, camera work, aging matches) often calling matches with a headset before wrestling the same night, highlighting the wrestler’s relentless work ethic.
• Entry into stunt work:
  • Stunt coordinators in TV (on "Grimm") recognize his unique skill set and encourage him to join Stunts Unlimited, opening doors throughout Hollywood. (15:00)
• How GLOW happened:
  • Despite initial failed attempts to connect with the creators, Chavo gets recruited by the show's stunt coordinator, thanks to Eve Torres’s referral.
  • Chavo shares an anecdote about his uncle, Mando Guerrero, who trained the original GLOW wrestlers and his own determination to honor that legacy.
  • His approach in Hollywood: honesty over bravado—“Everybody in Hollywood says, 'I can do this and I can do that.’ ...I’m not gonna bullshit you guys. If I can't do it, I'm gonna tell you that I can't. But I'm gonna figure out a way to do it.” (18:48)

2. Chavo’s Approach to Training GLOW’s Cast

• Ground-up approach with total beginners:
  • “These are pure actresses… I had to tailor the training to every person. Some had only done T-ball or Shakespeare as kids.” (34:14)
  • Importance of explaining the "why" and ring psychology, not just the “how.”
  • Anecdote of rookie mistakes (actresses trying to “pin” someone lying on their belly), emphasizing the unvarnished, humorous struggle of starting from scratch (37:04).
• Building real skills and empowerment:
  • GLOW actresses performed nearly all their own wrestling and stunts: “These girls are upset if we put somebody else in their spot. That’s how much they love wrestling.” (27:45)
  • Genuine moments of empowerment, e.g., Jackie Tohn (Melrose) crying after hitting her first slam: “I never thought I could do that... I never thought I could be this empowered.” (42:09)
• Parallels between wrestling and TV production:
  • “They didn’t know wrestling. But as I taught them, they taught me TV. I’m not going to Harvard for TV.” (26:01)
  • “Actors are like wrestlers: you can never make us happy... It’s the same thing in Hollywood.” (41:39)

3. Protecting Wrestling’s Integrity on TV

• Role as wrestling authenticity guardian:
  • Chavo was actively consulted on scripts, helping to avoid language and stories that would “insult or demean the business,” thereby preserving wrestling’s core appeal to fans. (23:08)
  • “We have a built-in audience with wrestling... The wrestling fans will watch until you tell them not to. But if you start insulting them, they will turn on you.” (23:08)
• Wrestling in television as “theater with a camera”:
  • Chavo explains that wrestling is its own performance art—a blend of Shakespeare, Monty Python, and physicality—and guides the GLOW actresses to play to both audience and camera. (45:32)

4. Chavo and Steve's Reflections on Wrestling’s Past

• The Guerrero legacy and Eddie’s influence:
  • Steve and Chavo reminisce about Eddie Guerrero—his struggles, incredible charisma, and backstage demeanor.
  • “Eddie would sit on the back of a turtle and go 'wee'... until he went to that camera. Then it was like Superman.” (50:42)
  • Eddie’s commitment to wrestling and how "he got clean when he didn’t have to be clean anymore." (51:08)
• On becoming “the man” and learning humility:
  • Both men recall moments of feeling awed by peers and adapting to being “the man” or supporting others who reached that status, highlighting the peer-to-peer mentorship in wrestling. (54:58, 55:30)
• Vignettes and the transition from heel to face:
  • Chavo and Eddie’s “Lie, Cheat, and Steal” tag team act—how a single entertaining vignette transformed them from heels to babyfaces. (60:14)
  • “We started doing light sheet steel, but in a cute way... nothing else changed, just those vignettes, and the fans cheered us.” (61:27)
• Wrestling heat, changing audiences, and protection of the business:
  • Chavo discusses “shoot heat” from his family’s territory days, when fans would attack wrestlers and cars would be vandalized. Contrasts with today’s crowds: “You had to sneak out the dressing room window because they had so much heat... The business has changed now.” (63:42)
  • Powerful modern example from India, where crowds still “believed.” (63:59)
• Personal lessons and advice:
  • On finding their own voice and style: “The Rock told me, ‘Be you. Don’t be Eddie. Be you.’” (67:01)

5. The GLOW Experience and Looking Forward

• Production details:
  • Used an 18-foot ring—a sweet spot between space and camera logistics. (27:01)
  • Typical training days could be 12+ hour slogs, mirroring wrestling’s own grueling schedule. (40:33)
• Season 2 anticipation:
  • “We didn’t want to come in as Ferris Bueller’s Day Off 2… we came in as Terminator 2. We topped season one.” (69:19)
• Hollywood life and the security of SAG work:
  • Chavo appreciates health insurance and structure: “I went from a family of four, $1,200/mo, to SAG insurance, $375/quarter... It’s the union, man. Something I’ve never really experienced before.” (48:20)
• Ongoing hustle:
  • “If I don’t keep hustling, those [shows] will end up drying up and then I’m out of work. So get another under my belt, keep chasing.” (48:50)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Translating the wrestling mindset to Hollywood:
  • “No one knows the work ethic of us wrestlers… We just go. You make the town, period.”
    —Chavo Guerrero Jr. (14:00)
• On being authentic in Hollywood:
  • “If I can't do it, I'm gonna tell you that I can't. But I probably know somebody who can… I’m not gonna bullshit you guys.”
    —Chavo Guerrero Jr. (18:48)
• Preserving wrestling’s reputation:
  • “We have a built-in audience... When you start insulting [wrestling], they will turn on you.”
    —Chavo Guerrero Jr. (23:08)
• On empowerment for the GLOW actresses:
  • “When [Jackie Tohn] slammed somebody, she stopped and started crying. ‘I never thought I could do that... I never thought I could be this empowered.’”
    —Chavo Guerrero Jr. (42:09)
• Eddie Guerrero’s passion for performing:
  • “He would walk through the curtain and it was like Superman. He would just take off, man.”
    —Chavo Guerrero Jr. (50:42)
• Protecting the business:
  • “I want people hating me, spitting on me, throwing piss on me. That's what I want. That's when I'm doing my job right.”
    —Chavo Guerrero Jr. (66:58)
• Chavo’s advice from The Rock:
  • “‘Be you. Don’t be Eddie. Be you.’ And from that forward I dropped the fake accent…”
    —Chavo Guerrero Jr. (67:01)
• On the never-ending grind:
  • “If I don’t keep hustling, those will end up drying up eventually and then I’m out of work. So get another one under my belt... keep chasing.”
    —Chavo Guerrero Jr. (48:50)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Chavo transitions to TV/stunt work: 13:09 – 17:30
• Getting the GLOW gig, Hollywood audition story: 17:00 – 19:44
• Reflection on uncle Mando training original GLOW: 19:47 – 22:03
• Protecting wrestling’s authenticity in scripts: 23:01 – 25:08
• Training the actresses – from scratch to empowered: 34:14 – 43:31
• Comparing wrestling and TV production: 40:19 – 42:08
• Discussion of early wrestling learning curves: 34:14 – 37:22
• Memories of Eddie Guerrero; becoming “the man”: 49:01 – 54:58
• On “Lie, Cheat, and Steal” as a face turn: 60:14 – 62:11
• Reflections on old-school heat: 63:33 – 65:57
• Final GLOW rundown and future plans: 69:15 – 70:07

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Conclusion

This heartening, candid episode highlights the resilience, diversity, and crossover skills of professional wrestlers, as Chavo details how his in-ring grit and heritage prepared him for creative, physical, and leadership success in Hollywood. For wrestling fans, it offers a unique peek behind the curtain—both of the squared circle and the television stage—while serving up memorable stories and wrestling wisdom from two industry legends. The episode is a love letter to wrestling’s past, present, and evolving future.

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Transcript

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[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

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[Interviewer/Host]

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[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

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[Steve Austin]

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[Interviewer/Host]

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[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Hell yeah.

[Steve Austin]

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[Interviewer/Host]

All right, everybody. Welcome to Steve Austin Show. I am coming to you from the Silver State over here in Nevada. Been out here for about four days now. I'm finally starting to get dialed in, getting my schedule under control and fall into a rhythm. Man, it's been outstanding weather since we got here. Daytime usually gets up into the 80s and it's just been absolutely beautiful. I'm gonna take the opportunity of today's good weather. I'm gonna go out to the shooting range. I think I'll take my.223, a308, a22, and maybe my Springfield XD9.45. Got some steel plates to shoot at. And I'm just looking forward to getting out there for a couple hours and just relaxing and getting some trigger time. And then right after that, because there's a riding place next door, I think I'm going to take my Kawasaki Mule Pro FXT and ride around out there in the mountains a little bit, do some trail riding and just do some exploring and try to continue to find my way around all this land that there is to ride out here. So it's going to be a good day. It's a good day already. Happy to be out here. I'm looking forward to today's podcast. I think you'll enjoy it. Last episode of the podcast, I started talking with Chavo Guerrero Jr. About the wrestling business. We never got into our conversation about gloves. Season 2 is on Netflix coming up very, very shortly. And we're going to talk about that and everything that was involved in it and just always enjoy talking about the glow stuff because I was such a fan back in the day. Watched a couple episodes. Very interesting show. So it's right around the corner. But I think you'll enjoy today's conversation with Chavo Guerrero Jr. And then coming up on the show on Tuesday and Thursday of next week, I've got Enzo Amore, who stopped by 317 Gimmick street last week before he headed off to do an appearance in New York City. And, man, we shot the breeze for a coup couple hours about the wrestling business, about wwe, about the music business, rapping, making videos, all kinds of stuff. As you know, Enzo Amore or Real One or Eric Arndt, whatever you want to call him, has a gift of gab. The guy can talk a blue streak. And he does on the Steve Austin show coming up Tuesday and Thursday next week. Always good to see Enzo. Good dude. I think you'll enjoy the conversation. I got some bad news today, man. I heard that Big Van Vader, Leon White had passed away. And I guess this came off his Twitter account. I guess Jesse had sent out a tweet informing everybody that on the 18th, Big Leon White passed away from complications due to pneumonia. And I guess a couple of years ago, maybe it was 2016, he had announced that he had congestive heart failure and that the doctors didn't expect him to live much longer, maybe two more years. And he had just recently had some open heart surgery, according to what I'm gathering on the Internet and seeing some of the pictures. But, man, I haven't talked to Leon in a long time since last time he was on the podcast. Hadn't seen him since the hall of Fame when he did the induction speech for Stan Larriett Hanson. And man, I tell you what, I'm gonna miss that guy. Leon was a super, super guy, kind of a big baby and a bully at the same time. And I think he was probably one of the best big men. Definitely. He was one of the best big men in the history of the business. What an athlete. Great psychology. Could go with the best of them. He was hardcore laid his shit in. Everything was believable. Just a monster heel run. And his WWF run, you know, wasn't that great. But his WCW run was phenomenal. His work in Japan and, you know, coming up in awa, former football player.

Man, that guy always.

I'll never forget that one time we was over in England. It was about 4 or 5 in the morning, all the boys had gone to sleep. I was the last guy drinking in the bar. I told this story before, and I was down there, the only man in the bar, sitting there with a big trash can. The bar shut down. I had a big trash can full of beer with ice in it. And here comes Leon, Big Van Vader walking down in nothing but his white underwear. Nothing, not a shirt, no shoes, just white underwear. And he comes up and he goes stone cold. He Goes, what you doing? I said man, I'm just finishing off all these beers, Leon. And he goes, well, mind if I join you? And I said no. So there was me and Leon in the bottom of a hotel at the bar which was closed down, everybody else had gone to sleep. And this is after the. Well, it was right during the said arn encounter with the scissors. And me and Leon are down there drinking beer and here comes Sid Vicious and he's bleeding from head to toe and Leon puts him down on the ground and sticks his finger in his femoral artery and keeps him from bleeding to death. I'll never forget that. One of the craziest things that I've ever seen in my career in professional wrestling. And I'll never forget, you know, when I was trying to come up with do the contract negotiations with WCW and I was a pretty good mechanic at the time, hadn't reached star status, much less superstar status, having a hard time negotiating a new contract. And I was like, oh man, F this, F that, F this, F them, F me. And Leon is in the shower and he comes over to me and he goes, Steve, he goes, just relax brother. He goes, always let a cooler head prevail. And I didn't always heed that advice throughout my career, but it was some of the best advice that I'd ever gotten in my career. And Leon and I were very good friends. Obviously we weren't best friends, we didn't keep up on a day to day basis, but just a lot of memories, a lot of battles in the ring. I remember riding down the road with him when Harley race, the one and only Harley race was his manager and I'd be riding in the back seat. Harley's driving, Leon's riding shotgun, everybody's drinking beer, all three of us. And the rule was this is Harley's rule. And when Harley had a rule, you adhered by it because he was the man. When Harley finished a beer, he would crush it and hand it over to Leon, who better have a brand new can of beer for him with the tab popped in the right direction and handed to him ASAP immediately or there was going to be some consequences to pay. That's just how Harley rolled and it was a little bit of a rib. But that was Leon's job, was to keep giving the beers to Harley without any delay, to slow down the drinking process. I don't recommend to anybody drink and drive, but that's what we were doing way back in the day. And I'll never forget just riding down the Road with the utmost respect. That Leon held Harley Race in such high regard because Harley gave him some great advice, was a great manager, they had great chemistry together. It was a great act. But anyway, Leon White is gone. Big Van Vader, I'll never forget the first time I saw that gimmick when he was over in Japan and he came walking to the ring and that guy was big as a house to begin with, and just the intimidation factor. And then he set that thing on the, on the floor, on the ground and, and he'd start whistling and he'd point at it and of course they'd blow the steam or the. Whatever that was that they blew out of there.

It was incredible. And I think, if memory serves me correct, I think they originally wanted to give that gimmick to the Ultimate Warrior, who I think passed it up. But anyway, Leon ended up with it and that gimmick ended up with the right man at the right time. Because I don't think anybody else could have pulled that gimmick off like Leon did with his work style, with his athleticism. It was a parallel along with the first time I ever saw the Road Warriors. The Road wars came out of nowhere with those shoulder pads, with the spikes, all the makeup, the spike haircuts or mohawk haircuts, whatever you call them. It was like, holy shit, who are these big badass wrestlers? I gotta watch my language here. Same thing with Leon, man. When I saw that gimmick, straight up intimidation, power, respect. He put asses in seats, he drew money. He had some classic battles with Sting and those are my most memorable. Or for me, one of his bodies of work was his feud with Sting because he really lit Sting up, no pun intended. Sting was really taking some ass whoopings and giving them back. But they had great combination of chemistry and working together. And Sting had such a high profile feud with Flair for all those years, and then all of a sudden to do a different kind of a feud with a super heavyweight like Vader. It was just phenomenal. And I'm sure Sting will look back at that was, you know, a lot of good memories because they had some great, great matches that I used to love to watch on the house shows. But anyway, I'm sorry to hear about. Leon was a super, super guy to me, super important in the history of the business. It's sad that he didn't go into the hall of Fame before he passed away, because if anyone deserves to go into the hall of Fame, that that guy certainly does. All the championships and all the destruction he caused over in Japan to bring that over to WWCW and then WWF. It just didn't work out so much. But I will miss my old buddy Leon. We used to travel up and down the road together and it's just a sad time. But his number got called and there he is up there in that big 20 by 20 wrestling ring in the sky. We'll catch you later Leon. I enjoyed knowing you. Hey man, let's get back into it.

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[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Lucha called me. Kristen Joseph called me ex writer. WWE calls me Lucha on the ground, says, hey, you know what you think we're doing this new product, this new thing, what would you think about coming over? And I said, all right, yeah, I think that's cool. But I started asking more questions and I realized that this is not a wrestling company, it's a TV show that they don't guys. They're TV guys that don't know wrestling. So my agent talked to them and we went back and forth a little bit and Eric and Tony, Tony Jensen agreed to bring me on as a producer. Yeah. So we got Lucha, we got Mark Gwinnett's guys. And so as I come in and I mean in Hollywood, works in Hollywood and you know this, but for the fans, sometimes you get a producer credit and because you, you introduce somebody to somebody and you get the producer credit. This one was opposite. I did, I was hands on, on everything. I mean it was costume design, set design.

Camera work, everything. Aging the matches. I mean, then working. There was times when I was the first season and second season where I'd have headsets on. I'm, I'm old up, doing push ups, calling the match before, okay, they're going to do this, watch this, you know, shoot, shoot the aisle because they're jumping out of the aisle. Okay, watch this. Hey, you know, all these different things and all of a sudden, okay, hold on, I'll be back. And then I'd go out there and wrestle and then I would run back and then I'll be back sweating like, oh, oh my God, I'm done, I'm done. One time I was just pinch poom. And I hurt my hamstring. And they're like, oh, well, you know, you know, child can't work the next show. Like, you know, age the next show. I was like, hell yeah, I gotta work. Nobody said of calling the matches. I mean, I'm back there sweating, torn hamstrings, sitting there calling the matches. And they're like, are you sure? I was like, absolutely. That's what we do. Like, no one knows the work ethic of us wrestlers. We just, we go, you make the town, period. That's what we did, you know, so getting there and just doing all the producer credit, but the producer stuff and that, you know, thank God. And then that morphed into Doing some stunt work. And then that morphed into all my boys. That. Some stunt coordination. But my. My boys at Stunts Limited, you know that. You know that stunt group, Stunts Limited is one of the biggest stunt groups in all of Hollywood. So I did a show called Grim, and I came on as a co star. And the fight coordinator and the stunt coordinator, Matt Taylor and Mike Smith, they looked at me and they go, hey, you know what? They called me, said, we don't know this part of the business. Wrestling part. It was a wrestling episode type thing where these, you know, Grimm was just this, like, this mythological, like, grim fairy tales. You know what I mean? So it was like kind of dark, morbid fairy tales. So there's this wrestler that, you know, would kill people and stuff. So they brought me in to coordinate. Coordinate it. So I did that. And when I got done, Mike Smith calls me and goes, hey, man, you ever thought about getting into this full time? Like, yeah, I guess. You know, Michael Motto left wrestling and became a stunt guy. Got a pension from all that stuff. You know, the SAG union and stuff. So I was like, yeah, yeah, I have. And he says, okay, we'd really love you in this stunt. The stunt organization. Now I gotta sponsor you, and they gotta approve you. But look, we. You're very specialized. There's not a lot of wrestlers in here. You can do this. All right? So I did it. And that morphed into stunts. I started doing a bunch of different stunts. And then out of the blue, man, I got this call from. From glow. So I had heard. Somebody told me, hey, have you heard of this Gorgeous Ladies wrestling show that's coming on? I'm like, what? What are you talking about? So I looked it up on, you know, variety magazine or IMDb, whatever it was. And I go, my Uncle Mono was an original trainer on that show. So I go, let me get it. I want to get, you know, me, visions of grandeur. I'm gonna get in touch with Genji Cohen, the executive producer of this. She's at William Morris. So I'm calling William Morris. I'm calling ca. I'm calling all these places, and they're like, you know, they don't want anything to do with me. I couldn't get in touch with them. So I'm out in Lake Powell in my boat, hanging out with my family, and all of a sudden I get a call, and it's the stunt coordinator, Shawna Duggins from glow. And she goes, hi, Chavo. I got your number from Eve Torres. Eve Torres, the WWE Diva. I did a show with her, Supergirl, and she was on the show, and I'm doing this new show called glow. I'm a stunt craner on here. And she. Because, you know, would you be interested in coming in and. And interviewing? I was like, like, hell, yeah. I mean, like, wow. Like, really? Okay. I was trying to call you guys. Basically. I didn't want to say that. So then I talked to her, and then I said, hey, she knows the stunt guys. I knew Matt Taylor, Mike. Mike Smith. I go call them. Make sure I'm not a douchebag. Go call them. So she calls them. She's like, oh, they're like. They put me over, you know. Okay, great. So then I got in the room. I had an interview. So I got in the room. There was about. There was executive producers, about 15 people in the room. I walk into the room now, they interviewed five or six other people already. I walk in. I just need to get in the room with them. I knew I could. I could get this job. So as I walk in and I'm interviewing and talking, and all of a sudden I see this guy standing to the left of me, and he's kind of standing there waiting, waiting. And all of a sudden they go, hey, somebody wants to say hi. And I look over. There was a play in Hollywood called. And it was kind of everywhere, but it was called the Legend, the something Chronicles of Chad Deity. Did you hear that?

[Interviewer/Host]

No.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

And it was a. It was a play, like off Broadway that they made about a wrestler that was so good that no one could make him look good. That he was all. He was always stuck in the rut of always making everybody else look good because no one could make him look good because he was better than everybody. And I was like, oh, that was pretty cool. Well, that guy. I went and saw the premiere of that because the guy had got a hold of me and said, look, I wrote this with you and your Uncle Eddie in mind. And I was like, oh, wow. Okay, great. I mean, I went to the premiere, Betty White was there, all these people. And I was like, oh, that was great. Well, he's on the writing team at glow. So he's sitting there waiting for me. So that didn't hurt when all of a sudden, he starts saying hi to me and say, hey, wait a minute. Yeah, I know you wrote that play about me. And all of a sudden, everybody was like, what do you mean he wrote a play about you? And they started asking questions about that, and, like, yeah. And I gave him a hug and they just want to make sure I wasn't this guy that came in. It's like, yeah, I know it all. Just listen to me. I got this, you know. Hey, and one thing that we talked about before was, everybody in Hollywood is this. Everybody can do all this stuff, but they can't do shit. Everybody says, I can do this and I can do this. I'll put you in a movie. How many interview or meetings have you had about a movie or series they want to do with you? That never panned out. About 500, right? All these times. So I told the executive producer, I said, I get it. This is what Hollywood's about. Everybody say, yes, man, I can do this, I can do that. I'm going to tell you, look, if I can't do it, I'm going to tell you I can't do it. But I probably know somebody in this business that can. I know everybody in this business. So they were like, they were really impressed with that. Like, all right, all right, cool. And I said, I'm not going to bullshit you guys. If I can't do it, I'm. I'm going to tell you that I can't. But I'm. I'm going to figure out a way to do it. I got a job.

[Interviewer/Host]

Okay, dude, Off a record, dude. Is Mondo still with us?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah, yeah, man, he's still here. He's still here. He's still in la, man. Or.

[Interviewer/Host]

Someone told me that he died. And I was looking.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Somebody else told me, too. Like, one of the. One of the. One of the.

[Interviewer/Host]

I went back on the record. Hell with it. Someone told me Mondo died. Well, I died last month, according to Twitter.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah, yeah, so. So one of this ex. I'm on Glow Season 2, and Frank Torres, who's a. Another stuntman, came, comes to me and he's. He's. He's on the. Somebody else brought him in to do some rigging on the show. And he goes, hey, man, you're. You're your Mondo's nephew, right? Yeah, man. He goes, man, I'm really sorry, man. I'm like, what do you mean you're sorry? There's something I didn't know about. And he goes, he's like, well, didn't he pass away? I said, no. I mean, did he? I'm like, no. Like, well, I already went to jail and then he killed somebody. I was like, no, he's already died. I don't know how I heard that's somebody else. I go, no. I go, my father passed away. A year ago, but. But not. But, but Mondo's still, still here, man. I gave him a call just to make sure and he starts laughing. He's like, ah, man, they're always writing me off, but I'm still, I'm still around here. But no, man, he was the original.

[Interviewer/Host]

So did you talk with him? Like you said, he was the first.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

He was the original train for glow. I remember him doing the original series, the glow series in 1986. That was the, the women's wrestling league. Basically the first women's wrestling league. And he was very reserved about. He wasn't sure if he wanted to do it because women's wrestling at the time, in 1984, 85, whatever it was, was women were brought in and you're their novelty act. You know, there was maybe one match in the show, whether you're a valet or your eye candy or something like that. It was a man's business back then. So there was a show about a. All women's wrestling and all women that never wrestled before. He had to train all these new girls and models and actresses and whatever. He wasn't sure. He was like, man, are people in the business gonna hate me? Are they gonna ridicule me? And for a long time, because that's.

[Interviewer/Host]

A very interesting time in the business. Like, hey, man, I'm smart enough. All these women and you know, they're not really wrestlers. Yes, dude. It grew on to like, his cult following exploded. I was one of the, I was on from day one. I loved it.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

But you remember the people talking, they, they didn't get praise. They were almost shunned in the wrestling room for a long time. It was like, ah, you shouldn't be part of this business. You know, very, very, very protective of this business and they should be. But you remember that, right?

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

So he wasn't sure if you want to do it. I remember him talking to my dad about it, talking my grandfather about it. And they're like, absolutely, you better do it. Because if you don't do it, some other hackson to train these guys, these girls, and they're not, they're not going to be worth a damn. So he came in and he trained. He had him for the, for a year, the first, the first season when he trained him out here in la. And then, then, you know, someone else came. They, you know, whatever happened, the changes of the guard and bring somebody else in. So, you know, he did that and I remember that, man. So when I heard about the show, I was like, I gotta Be part of the show. I, I gotta be, you know, something told me, you gotta be, you gotta do this, dude.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's a great opportunity.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah, I interviewed and I got it and, and man, after that, and it was kind of the same thing. I equate Lucha Underground to glow, kind of. Because we have these executive producers, you know, Jenji Cohen, who's responsible for Orange's New Black and Weeds and Nurse Jackie, these hit hit shows. And the creators, Liz Flah and Carly Minch, and.

They didn't know wrestling. Even though they weren't even really fans. They started studying about it. Okay, graduate, but unless you're in the business, you don't know this business.

[Interviewer/Host]

Correct.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

So, you know, it was kind of the same. They didn't know. So when they brought me in, I would have meetings with the writers and all of a sudden I'd be reading the scripts and go, hey, wait a minute, that's my story. And they're like, well, y, we just, we just changed it. We worked it around for you. And then I'm, I'm getting the scripts, I'm getting the network draft, which is the very first draft. I'm getting that and I'm highlighting things and saying, okay, change that. You can't do this. You got to change this wording, this terminology. And I, one thing, I pulled the executive producers aside and I said, just, I mean, I'm not trying to overstep my balance here, but we have a built in audience with wrestling. The wrestling fans will watch this show and they'll watch it until you tell them not to watch it. They're very, very loyal. But when you start insulting them or start, you know, demeaning this business, they will turn on you and they'll leave. And this a huge market. I go, WWE, Vince McMahon is not a billionaire on, on accidents. And they're like, okay, cool, we totally get it. Okay. They were, they were down with that. So any draft suggestions that I had, they don't have. They don't have to do anything. It's their draft, it's their writing. They would take my advice and say, okay, we'll change this. Okay, you can't. I go, you cann say this is fake. Now, I'm not saying that it's not a work, but it's fake. And so if you see the first season, there's a couple come to Jesus moments that every wrestling fan has. There's a time when, when Melrose is in the ring and she's like, well, this is fake, it's not real. And all of a sudden, you know, Junk Chain Siddell, her real name, Siddell Noah grabs her and chokes her out. It's like, oh, yeah, that's lunch. How's that fake? We've all done that, right? Oh, oh, really? You know, we've all. Every. Everyone in Russia is like, oh, you want to see fake? I'll show you fake. Everybody backs it. Oh, okay. And then there's another one when. When Betty Gilpin, who's she plays, there's like five different names I have from. I have the real name, their work name, and then the wrestling name. All these different. And then some of this next season, they change characters. I got like all these different names, but Betty plays Liberty Bell. So she's on the show and she's, you know, a.

Soap operas actress, and she's like, I don't like wrestling. I don't get wrestling. And they take her to a wrestling show and then all of a sudden she looks at it and goes, wait a minute. I get it. It's a soap opera. And this person. Oh, yeah, I get it. Every wrestling fan has that come to Jesus moment. Right? I get it. Oh, that's what it is. So they. They played with all that in the first season. Man, it was so cool to see all that. I loved it. I, you know. You like?

[Interviewer/Host]

It was. The dude's name is on the tip of my tongue. That was the guy that. Remember they went and visited his dressing room at the. At the end of the show.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah, yeah. Alex Riley.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, Alex Riley.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Alex Riley. Yeah. So I'm. So now I'm in the casting department too. Now. Not. I'm not necessarily in the casting department, but I'm in the room when they're picking these wrestlers. So I'm seeing their. Their audition tapes. I'm seeing Chris Jericho audition for it. Miz.

Some other people then and Alex Riley. So now I'm seeing what the casting directors are looking for. So when I'm doing other roles, I'm like, oh, that's what they want. Okay. So I'm like, kind of privy to all this little backstage stuff, this inside insider scoop, insider trading. So now we're in the room and, you know, Alex Rodney comes out and he's in a. He's in a robe and he's doing it. He's like a bathrobe and he's doing the scene. They're like, oh, he's in character. Oh, wow. They loved it. So then they're asking me, how's this guy? I'm like, well, he's great. We're looking for a John Cena look. And I said, well, he almost didn't get pushed because he looks too much like John Cena. And they're like, really? Oh, wow. How was he off camera? Go. He's a great guy. And I'm talking to him and then, you know, putting people over or not putting people over, whatever it is. So now they're making their choices, you know, so now I'm in the casting department. So then I'm, you know, I'm. I was the one ordering all the rings. I'm. Now I'm ordering set stuff. The set designers are talking to me, are coming to me and saying, what about this? Where should we rig this? Oh, okay, do this. So now all of a sudden, it's like. It's like I'm revamping Lucha Underground on Globe. But not only that, I'm teaching them this little part of wrestling, and they're teaching me tv. That's hugely tv. I'm not going to Harvard for tv.

[Interviewer/Host]

What size ring was that y' all using in Glow?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

So in Glow, we used the 18 footer. And the reason being we're going to use a 16 or 18 footer. But I feel sometimes when you're a cameraman is in the ring. We got a handheld in the ring, and 18 footer is perfect. Sometimes a 20 too big. It's a good compromise. You know, 16 is just too small to have two people or four people. And they're with another camera guy in the ring. You know, you've done promos in the ring, and sometimes they're stepping on you, you know? Yeah. So for them, I go for the guy. The girls to continually do. Because all our Glow girls do all of their own stunts. We have two, we know 100. We have the stunt girls on set that don't work. They sit there.

[Interviewer/Host]

That's how much pride these girls are taking.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

These girls, every single thing. These girls are doing every single thing. Now, if they're doing a wide shot, like, they're very far back. There's no read, no need to throw the girls into that. But that's very few and far between. These girls are upset if we're putting somebody else in their spot. That's how much these girls love wrestling. And these are just actresses that love this sport now because they're the one putting the time. And I train them ex. Just like we do wrestling now. I don't beat the crap out of them, but at the same time, they're bumping, they're Rolling. They're learning how to deal where you're.

[Interviewer/Host]

Trying to go, okay, we're going to do 300 Hindu squats and we're going to do 300 push ups or like 500. You remember back in the day?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Absolutely. The Power Plant, remember that?

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Do you see the, the Ric Flair special on espn? Did you see that? Oh, how good was that? Right. People couldn't believe that they were walking up all these, you know that Vern had him, Vern Gagne had him walking up all these, these stairs. And then they do them with somebody on their shoulders, then they do them like, like wheelbarrow styles. Like.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, that's, it was like 10 degrees. But you, but you've heard all the horror stories, you know, because back in the day, you know, because it was, it was a male dominated industry, I would almost say it, it still is. I mean, the women's movement has been awesome.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Well, it's definitely awesome. Sure.

[Interviewer/Host]

But back in the day, sure. You know, because the business was so protected, they would try to run your ass off because if you didn't want it with every fiber in your being, they would weed you out.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

You remember that?

[Interviewer/Host]

So it's not that process.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

When you got a story, you remember the story within the Tampa, the Tampa arena, right. When they locked the door, broke Hulk Hogan's leg, Right. So reader, that story, they would.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hiro Matsuda.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah, Hiro Matsuda. Hiro Matsuda. They'd put you notorious in the fcw Florida Championship Wrestling. You want to be a wrestler? Oh, you want to be a wrestler? Okay, come on in. And they would lock the door and get you in the ring and they just beat you up. Beat you up. And there's, there's the stories of the people crawling out of there like screaming, they drag him back in the ring, you know, so Hulk Hogan, they brought him in that ring, they broke his leg and he came back and they're like, oh, he came back. Okay, we're training you now. I love the story with Dick Slater. You know that story?

[Interviewer/Host]

No, but I heard Dickie was a super tough guy. And of course I knew him from my WCW days. I mean, we weren't tight, but of course I knew him and his damn good worker, Dick.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

So Dick Slater now, Dick Slater, this is, this is, I'll tell you two stories of Dick Slater. My dad was telling me this story now. He loved Dick and Dickey were him, we're real close. But Dick was, he was a fighter. Dick would go to. He was a bouncer at one of the bars in Florida, in Tampa area. And all the wrestlers would go in there and go hang out. And when somebody get out of line with the wrestlers, Dickie would jump in, beat the crap out of him, just light him up. And this went on time and time again. So after a while, the rest was going, hey, why don't you come out for wrestling? He's like, what do I want to do that for? I don't want to do that for. And they're like, come on, you got to come out. So they're like, all right. So he comes out to Rustin. They put him in that Tampa arena, and they lock the door, and they put one person in the ring with him. Dicky wipes him up. All of a sudden, whoa. They put somebody else in the ring when Dippy Dicky wipes him up. These are pros at the time.

[Interviewer/Host]

They put.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Somebody's trying to put a shoot in the rings. He wipes them up, and they're like, holy. Like, all right, we'll train you. That's how Dickie got got done. But. But. So when I started ww, they made Eric Bischoff. That was one of the stipulations when I signed, I moved to Atlanta. I moved to Atlanta, and I'm living there. And now I don't got a pot to piss in. And all of a sudden, I'm making $85,000 a year. I'm like, wow, I'm rich. Little low. Do I have to pay for my own, you know, my hotels, rental car, all that stuff. But, man, hey, I'm going out and I'm buying all new furniture. I mean, not all new furniture. I'm buying furniture. I'm buying a shower curtain. I'm buying a coffee pot. I didn't have any of that stuff. I bought all that stuff. So I. This furniture store in Atlanta called Haverty's. And I still remember the salesman. His name is Bill Llewellyn. I don't know why I remember it, but I just remember it. And he was sitting there, he's selling me furniture. And he goes, wait a minute, You're a wrestler? He goes, hey, I know a wrestler. And I grew up with this guy named Dick Slater. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I know Dick Slater. You know, he's on his last legs with us here. But, man, I work with him and him. Mike Enos were tagging together, so I work with them a little bit. And he's like. He's like, yeah, man. He's like, you know, he's like crazy, right? And I said, what do you mean crazy? He's like, he's the toughest guy we've ever. I've ever seen. So he tells me a story. He was 14 and Dick's 14. They grew up together. They're walking down the street and some 16 year old drives down. You know, two years difference at 14. 16 is a big difference. This 16 year old's driving down the street in a Camaro and all of a sudden flips them off. Dick Slater flips him back off and goes, ah, screw you. And all of a sudden the Camaro turns around and rips back around. So this guy, Bill Llewellyn is all like, kind of like, what's going on? And all of a sudden Dick looks at this guy. The guy steps out and Dick nails him, knocks him out on the ground. A 16 year old. Now this is being told to me by a furniture salesman. And he goes, and not only did he knock him out, he stands over him and whips out his penis and pisses on his face. He goes, I'm 14 years old and my friend is pissing on the guy that he just knocked out. Now a grown man. We'd be like, what is that? This is a 14 day. Because that's how tough Dick Slater was.

[Interviewer/Host]

I gotta sing the jingle. Haverty's has it, we've got it all. You remember that commercial?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Absolutely, man. What do you think with the Havers? I don't know. What? I've never been to Atlanta before.

[Interviewer/Host]

So tell me about training these women. I mean, so where'd you start from? Ground one. Because, I mean, Chris Adams Wrestling Academy.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Right.

[Interviewer/Host]

I was training him. Chris was a judo background.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

And you know, he was a very accomplished hand. He sure had a good run, good looking guy. Good promo, full of fire. He was a little out there. And then. Chico. Yeah, you know, dude, Chico, I can't remember Chico's last name, was Spanish guy, who was his good friend and his assistant. And he was more, more Lucha based. But I mean, he, he taught us a lot of this stuff. So anyway, dude, it's taking a flat back bump, it's slapping a mat, judo style, karate style, whatever you want to call it. Basic tumbling drills. And then we start off a little bit of chain wrestling. I sucked. Now I caught on real quick to the tumbling and the flat back stuff. No problem. And a lot of people and you know this, and I experienced this and tough enough in 2011. You get some people out there and all of a sudden you teach them how to just take the basic. From a standing position, just falling back. And they're allergic to that Matt.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Oh, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

And you can see it all over them. Ms. USA, Raymond Fakira, whatever.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

But it was just, it was brutal. She was allergic to matt. She was a cool chick.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

So how were these women and how did you say, okay, here's where we go, here's how we start this process.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

So I go, because these are pure actresses. These are actresses. Now I kind of. There's, there's not one template to train people at, you know, everybody starts in their level, you know, and you, you, you got to tailor your training to every, every individual wrestler, every individual prospect. So I. Okay, girls, come on, get in the ring. Well, how do we get in the ring? I say, okay, well, okay, step. They say, step in. So that's. I show them how to get in. So they start stepping in. Okay, so I stand him around, say, so who, what athletic ability you have? What do you, what sports do you play? Well, I played T ball when I was 7 years old. Well, I did Shakespeare. I'm like, okay, okay, cool. Okay. So I'm, I'm working from the ground level except for Kia Stevens, who was, of course, you know, awesome Kong, who plays welfare queen on the show. One of the best, best pro wrestler, women pro wrestlers in the world besides her. Everybody else had. Was really not saying they weren't athletes. They didn't know they were athletes. So they get in the ring and they're going, ah, well, I, you know, I've never done this. And I said, okay, so this is. Now I start explaining psychology. What do we do things for? Why are we doing things, all these different things. So we start off with, you know, Guerrero style. We do some rolls and we do some, some slight back, back that back bus. But like just feeling the mat, slapping the mat and walking around. And why I walk around the ring first and feel where the mats are. I go, this is your home. But it's different every time you get in here. I go either, yeah, feeling the boards, feeling the mats if it's separated, all this stuff. Like, oh, okay, good. Feel the ropes. This is why we hit the ropes. Now, we didn't hit the ropes for about probably about three weeks. I mean, I, I really just worked on different things and just, just working on lockups. And then all of a sudden I would have to equate to like dance moves. Like, almost like, okay, this is how we dance with a partner. Now you step forward, I step forward. Who's Leading. Okay, why are we leading? Why are you following? And the same thing in the ring. You can't have two leaders in there. You gotta. You one's gotta be. You gotta. It's a give and take. Oh, okay, I get it. So I'm explaining everything as I'm going, so this about two weeks in. This is literally about two weeks in. We're sitting there, and I go, okay, so, okay, now you go and cover her and we'll, you know, we'll go for the pin. So all of a sudden, the girl. One of the girls is on her stomach, and the girl jumps on top of her, and I'm like, what are you doing? Well, I'm trying to win. I go, oh. I go, do you girls not know the rules of wrestling? And they go, no. I go, you know how I go, oh, stop, stop. I start this two weeks in. Stop, stop. The. Stop the practice. This is how we pin somebody. Well, why are their shoulders down? How come you can't kiss count? I was like, okay, now, you can also win from a count out outside. Well, why is he outside? How can we just come back in? Okay. A disqualification. Also. Well, why are just. Well, why is there rules here? I mean, they didn't know. I was like, I just assumed you all knew. I said, that's a good story, man. I just had to change it.

[Interviewer/Host]

But it's funny because the girl was laying in a prone position on her belly, I'm assuming, and the girl just jumped on top of her to cover, right?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

She didn't. They didn't know. I didn't know. You gotta jump on their. Their. They gotta be on their back putting their shoulders down. They're like, oh, okay, I get it now.

[Steve Austin]

This is the Steve Austin Show.

[Interviewer/Host]

So we're talking about glow. We're talking about training the women.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Absolutely. Hey, first of all, Broken Skull ipa. Thank you, sir. I appreciate you.

[Interviewer/Host]

Cheers.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Training show. So the girls, they actually cover each other wrong. I had to stop practice and start talking to them and saying, these are the rules of wrestling. I just assumed. And we kind of like, all laugh about it. Another one of the stories on the set. One of the girls one time, and she starts tearing up a little bit, you know, and just. Just girl thing. It wasn't like. It was like. Like she got hurt. She starts tearing up. She's. Let me. I just need a moment. She goes to the bathroom. I go, wow, first cry of the season. And all of a sudden, the two stunt girls look at me go, what are you talking about? That's like the fifth cry. They just, they just hide it from you. I'm like, I'm like, what? Really? Am I that oblivious? It's like, yeah, pre much.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, but from our conversations, when I hit the pause button, you're pretty good at reading people.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I think so, man. You know what? I, I, yeah, I guess from years of, of rusting, you kind of got to do that, you know? And you being in Hollywood, like we were talking about, you got to read people a little bit too, right? Yeah, you can, you can start spotting a mile away, you know? You really can. I don't know. I, I, I think it's just a feel of person, if they're genuine or not. You can, I can tell when somebody's looking at me, when they're, when they know what they're talking about or they're just bullshitting me because they just start looking away. Unless you're a professional liar. There are a lot of them out there, and we were talking about that earlier, but, you know, you can pick it, you can pick and choose it.

[Interviewer/Host]

So you train the girls up. Okay, let's talk about putting the matches together, just the filming process, because that's one of the things. I've done a couple of movies in my days. I'm not trying to actively pursue that, but all the stops, starts, the takes. I mean, you've been in film business for a long time, so you enjoy that part of it.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I do, because wrestling prepared me for that. Because you want, you're on the road for four days. I'm like, well, they got me for four days, so I don't care if my, if my flight is 10 hours delayed. Well, it's, I'm on the road anyways. Whatever. Getting home is a different story. If I'm getting home and my, my flight's late, I'm pissed, bro. You, I'm like, raging. What do you mean? I'm trying to switch it to go through a different, different state, different airport. You lost my luggage. What are you talking about? But you're there. I'm like, well, you got me, okay, Just patient, whatever. But if I'm sitting in traffic, I'm sitting in traffic because I'm here, whatever it is. So it's the same thing doing all the takes. I get it. You just gotta do it over and over until you get it right. And being in, like, a booking committee, that's which I remember one time in tna, we were talking and going back and forth and back and forth and just trying to get this story right. I Had suggested something they didn't want to do. It is in tna. Hulk's in there, Eric Bischoff, Bruce Pritchard. A lot of people were in there. My boys, you know, all my boys. And then all of a sudden, about 30 minutes after the conversation started, we went back to my original suggestion and Eric Bishop comes up and goes, hey man, sorry. We should listen to you at the start. And I go, I don't care. I said we keep talking until we get it right. I don't care if we talked another eight hours. We got to keep talking to that angle's done right? And that's just the way it is. And that's the same thing.

On set. You keep doing it to the director, says, cut, and okay, that's a take. Next scene.

[Interviewer/Host]

How long were the days? I mean, like from your responsibilities as far as being there? Because I'm doing a few days of long ass days. So what was your schedule when we'd shoot?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Okay, training days, typical day. So sometimes we'd have a pre production meeting. So. So stunt coordinator Shawna Duggans and me, the fight coordinator would be in the pre production meeting. Means we're pre production before the production meeting, pre production. Then we'd go train the girls. Two three hour sessions, four hour sessions with a little bit of break in between, a little bit of lunch break in between. Then sometimes in between, we have to go to a production meeting, you know, with all the producers and talking about the storylines, everybody giving suggestions and that kind of stuff. It's just like booking committee, basically they have an outline of the show. Everybody starts asking questions of what you want their specific match to be about, what their specific duty to be about. Wardrobes asking questions, stunts asking questions, you know, car details, asking questions. Everybody asking questions and getting exactly what the director wants and getting what the producers want. So then if we go to set, you know, I plan on being on set for 12 hours, no less than eight. And I plan on being for 12. If I get more than 12, then great, we start doing overtime. Okay, great. No problem. Ot, it's like, actors are like wrestlers. You can never make us happy. Because.

Wrestlers are like, okay. We're like, oh, man, I gotta work, but I'm away from my family. Well, I'm home too long. I gotta get back on the road, right? It's the same thing in Hollywood. It's like, okay, man, we got a short day, but I don't get any ot, you know, I mean, so it's like, whatever. So I plan on being there for 12 hours, your typical shoot day, depending on how many scenes were involved, how many stunt scenes that we're involved in is. I'd say an average of 8 hours.

[Interviewer/Host]

How fast did the women catch on?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Women are incredible. These girls and I can't speak enough other girls. And I'm not just talking because we're here just talking and doing fluff. I really am. These girls were so good. Everybody was so eager to learn. They loved. I mean, I get calls still. I get texts from like, Chava. We miss wrestling. We miss wrestling. We miss being empowered. The first time I talk, one of them to slam. And this is Melrose, who's Jackie Ton. Smaller girl. She's not one of the bigger girls. She actually. We showed her how to pick a girl up and how to base her and the other girl help out. And when she slammed somebody, she stopped and started crying. I probably have video here. I'll show you. And she started crying, going, I never thought I could do that. I never thought I could be this empowered. And that's why they love wrestling, because they feel empowered. They feel like, man, we could. We could beat anybody. We can do anything. I said, you guys can. You can. It just. You just need to be taught how to do it. It's awesome to see them just embrace it and kick ass. And those girls, they love wrestling. And before I cut you off on that question, Alison Brie, one of our main actresses or stars of the show, did an interview, and I saw her interview and she. They asked her about Russell. It's like, oh, well, Russ is faking. She's like, oh, oh, oh, no. Russ is not fake. I mean, entertain Entertainment. But we're sitting there bumping, we're falling. You come in here, you bump with us, and you. All of a sudden, she started acting like a rustler. And I was like, all right, this is great.

[Interviewer/Host]

Defended. Yeah. You have any interactions with Mark Maron?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah, for sure.

[Interviewer/Host]

How is that Cat? Former. I mean, longtime stand up comedian, very successful podcast guy. Actor as well, obviously.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah. So, yeah, I did his podcast. I did his podcast Manning. And he just. He's a. He's a cool guy, man. He's. He's one of those. He's been around, man. He was telling stories about Sam Kinison and back in the old Comedy Store days or. Man, it was really cool. It was just. Just. You got a guy that's been around, he's an ex recovering addict, and we're talking about smoking pot. And he's like. He's like, yeah, well, I can't do that anymore, you know, all this different stuff. And it's like, all right, cool. But, man, he just. He's just a good old dude, man. And he comes in, he. He killed his role. He killed his role. You're a fan of his. But I told him, I go, man, I've worked for you before. You're like, you're. You're playing an old promoter. He's. I am. Okay, good. I'm glad you guys like it. You know, he just. He's just a. He's just a good dude, man. He. He's. He's.

[Interviewer/Host]

You.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

You get what you see is what you get with him. There's no underlying. He's not stabbing you in the back if he doesn't like your shirt, he's telling you, I don't really like it. You know, I mean, it's just what he is. And that'. Cool.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's cool to see comedians kind of like the boys.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Absolutely. They're. They're working with one time on. On in. On Raw. I. I got to a point, I was working with all the celebrity hosts, all the guest hosts, Snoop Dogg and Fighting Ricky Hatton and Cedric the Entertainer. And then one time, I worked with Jerry Piven And Ken Jeong, Dr. Ken, you know, from Community, and all different things he's done. So Jeremy Piven was like. As soon as he was in the ring with John Cena one time, and John Cena just, you know, John Cena just like you, he just gets on that mic, just goes. He just. He's like, he's. He just ramble, rambling and just take over on the mic when he got done. And Jeremy was up there in the ring with him, too, when he got done. Jeremy comes back, goes, man, that was like being back in stand up in, you know, 1985, man, that was really cool. That's what it is, man.

So anyways, but, you know, another thing with them is this what people don't realize with. With wrestling. And I. And I tell the girls, too, on the show and below, they're. They're like, what we do in wrestling, it's. It's. It's its own form of entertainment. It's. It's work on theater. So a lot of girls have done Shakespeare and done plays and Broadway and different stuff like that. So I go, just think about that while we. We play to this big audience. So it's like Shakespeare with Monty Python's Flying Circus combined. I go, that's kind of what wrestling is. That's kind of what we Do I go. But then you got. Now you're playing to a camera, so you're in a match. So they got to experience what we experience in a sense, because we have a bunch of extras there. And, you know, sometimes we have, you know, 300 extras, but the extras, we're not telling the yay or boo. So I go, when you start doing these. These. These moves they're doing he. You know, flying head scissors and stuff. I've tapped the girls to do all that stuff. I go, you. There's going to be at least the first time or the second time you're going to have a legit response from the crowd. They're gonna be like, wow, this is really cool. I go, slow down. It's gonna get you to speed up and keep going. I go, feed off the energy, but absorb it. Don't necessarily make you speed up in there. So.

[Interviewer/Host]

Well, that's good advice.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

When they get done, they're like. They're like, like, like, oh, my. Like, oh, my God, that was amazing. Like, wow. I mean, I see tears coming down their eyes sometimes. The makeup people are all like, no, no, no. Because they're crying. I say, wait, wait, wait. And they're like, oh, my God, we did it. How do we do that? And I was like, you did it because you. You listened. You, you, you. That was you. And like, wow, it's just electric being out there in the. In. In the crowd like that. And I tell him that's what Eddie used to tell me all the time. He goes, man, there's no drug like being in that ring. And I. I agree. But he was, you know, he was an addict that was always trying to chase that. He was always trying to chase this thing, man. You. I go. I realized finally, you. You can't duplicate it being in the ring. That. That's the pinnacle of. Of all great feelings out there, you know, I mean, we've. Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

So glow. Glow is two seasons in.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Second season is getting ready. June 29th, everybody.

[Interviewer/Host]

Are you looking for other opportunities to keep doing this in the Hollywood world along with your Lucha Underground and your other stuff?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I made it, man. I'm retiring. I'm done next week. Yeah, I'm doing for other opportunities, man. Awesome, man. You were also constantly looking for other things to better yourself. Now I'm part of the SAG Screen Actors Guild with insurance and pension and stuff. And we come from a world that's not included.

[Interviewer/Host]

You know how many years I went without no insurance at all? Because I figured, first of all, I'm in my 30s, I'm bulletproof. I'm not going to get hurt on my own. And if I get hurt, it's going to be in the ring. And if I do, it's going to be workers comp. So they got it. So forever. I never had no insurance because you know how expensive insurance is, man.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I went from a family of four, twelve hundred bucks a month to SAG Insurance. Family of four, $375 a quarter. That's how much it changed and better insurance. It's the union, man. I have people telling me when I. When I can and can't work, how they can treat me, how they can't treat me, when I can get a meal break. So it's pretty, it's pretty amazing. Something that I've never really experienced before, so. Absolutely, man. Just constantly looking for that next, you know, it's just like rusting. You're chasing it, you're chasing, you know, you gotta couple hit shows right now. But if I don't keep hustling, those will end up drying up eventually and then I'm out of work. So get another one under my belt. Get another one after that, you know, just keep going, keep chasing.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hey, man, we brought up Eddie a couple times during the podcast. Probably making two parts. Sure, dude, no problem. We fully gotten over him being gone, man. I thought you guys were brothers. And then I was like doing a research, like, and I'd heard that he was your uncle, but I was like, dude, because Eddie was a baby of the family on that side. But I thought for the longest time that you guys are brothers.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

We grew up as brothers. Eddie was my uncle, Eddie was my grandfather's late mistake and I was my father's early mistake.

Two unplanned pregnancies. And it's the truth. We're three years apart from. He was 18 years younger than my father, so he was the baby baby of the family, but by a lot. Then I was born three years after, so I have an uncle who's three years older than me. We grew up as brothers, 100%. We fought like brothers. We loved like brothers. He was, he was my brother that I never had. I have one sister and a biological sister, but no brothers. He was my brother. Being over him, man, that's a tough one. You never get over it, man.

Not to get into it too much, but he, you know, he died in my arms, really died, you know.

[Interviewer/Host]

So I was listening to the podcast and you're willing to go back down that road because I was listening to Your podcast with Chris Jericho. And so you. You recanted that. And if you haven't listened to it and listen to Talk as Jericho, the episodes that Chava was on there. What I liked about Eddie was everything. But, dude, the thing about that guy, it was like he gave me. And I've said this about a lot of boys, but he could be having. It's just the worst day in the world or whatever, but all of a sudden, man, they did his music. And that's like, when Eddie came to.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Life, Eddie, we'd always say that he was. Eddie would sit on the back of a turtle and go wee, because that's how slow he walked and saw slow he went until he went to that camera. I mean, to the curtain. Like, he'd be like, oh, the weight of the world is on my shoulders. And all of a sudden, he walked through the. Through the curtain, and it was like Superman. He would just. Would just take off, man. He would just go, you know, so when he did some stuff with you, man, he was. He was pretty stoked. He was like, all right, man. But he was just coming back from being fired. He got fired for being drunk on the job and being. Being an addict. He left, got us, got himself clean, you know? And I guess what they say is that what Eddie told me was this. He got clean when he didn't have to be clean anymore. He lost his job, he lost his family. He lost everything. There was nothing from stopping him drinking, nothing from stopping him pilling, nothing except for himself. That's when he stopped. And that's when he's like, you know what? I can't do this anymore. I stopped. And then when he made it back to wwe, he was on a mission, man. He looked like his action figure. He just shredded and just veiny and just crazy. He came in and would just work. So the world champion, Eddie wasn't the guy that you knew. He was just ready. He just wanted to get in the ring with you and just go, you know, I mean, he was ready to go when. So he. After you, he got even better when he started working with a jbl. And JBL tell you lead me through the matches and. And, you know, just. He became the man. When you become the man, that's when you really are the man, you know, I mean, it takes. It takes a while to get there, but once you become that guy, that's when you. You. You're. You're not the man until you are the man.

[Interviewer/Host]

Did you go on tours in Japan with him?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah, sure.

[Interviewer/Host]

Because what years? Because like my first tour in Japan was a three week tour. That was a tour when I jumped off of a top turnbuckle and I went to splash a Japanese guy who moved, he moved out of the way. He was supposed to. I landed wrong and I bent my arm too far and just ripped my tricep off.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Dimalinko, Eddie was on you Hypo extended it.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, whatever you call it. I tore my tricep. Yeah, but De Malenko, Chris Benoit.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

So you know, you knew Eddie before then. Oh, good.

[Interviewer/Host]

It's going back wcw. Yeah, yeah, before Stone Anderson was there. I mean, like me and Arm were stateside guys. Joe. I think Arn had probably been to Japan a couple of times.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Sure.

[Interviewer/Host]

But you know, we were there with WCW or representing wcw. Three weeks.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

That's right.

[Interviewer/Host]

I tore my tricep on the third night of a three week tour.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Oh God. And you stayed there.

[Interviewer/Host]

Not of a two week tour, Whatever it was. Yeah, you had to. I mean, I mean that's just what you did. Like we've been talking about all the time. You finished the show. So I was going to finish a tour. So they put me in a lot of tag matches and six, man, so I could do less action. But nonetheless I was there. But my point is, dude, when you first go to Japan and I was in the business probably.

Five years, so remember the last podcast we were talking about? Hey, when you think you're starting to get good? 5 and then really 10. So I wasn't quite there yet, but I was kind of. I've already had the television title a couple of times. I think maybe the tag titles, I don't know.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

You started to move.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, but I was okay in the States.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I saw those old matches. You're talented, man. You're a talented young guy.

[Interviewer/Host]

But when you get to Japan and all of a sudden you get in front of that crowd and you know they're kind of subdued and then all of a sudden you're sitting there thinking, okay, I'm going to go out there and work with X. And all of a sudden you see Benoit, Malenko or Eddie go out there and most time they were working with one or another. And it's like when you watch what those guys did and you're sitting there thinking, how in the F am I going to follow this? Because, dude, they would just go out there and just crush it. And the way you follow it to answer the question is go out there and do your own shit. Because you can't do the stuff that those guys were doing. So you just go do your own shit, but they would blow you out of the water. And it really was a humbling experience being in front of a Japanese crowd. You're not used to that psychology or the atmosphere, so it puts you back. And then all of a sudden you see the work that's being done there, and you're a couple of steps down from that. And it's a very humbling experience. But it was amazing to watch, and I'm glad I was able to experience the feeling and get the lesson.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

You know what? On the opposite end of that, what you're saying there, Eddie felt like that next to you in WWE because he was like, you know, he may have been who he was in Japan or WCW or before that or whatever, but now all of a sudden he's working with the man. You were the man in wwe. So now he's working with you. So now he's like, he's. Now he's feeling like you are like, how am I going to keep up with this guy? So I felt that same way. There's a time. So when John Cena first came in, we were.

Training John, we were working with him, you know, tell him what to do, tell him not what to do, whatever. But then when he became the man, you know, I remember one point where they had me doing something and he and I were the main event, but it wasn't a main event. It was like me coming in and, you know, being able to beat me up for some, you know, propel his storyline. We had about you know, four or five minutes, but by the time the show came around, by the time we got to the last minute, we had like 30 seconds, man. Like a minute in there, you know, without interests you. Just a minute in there and I'm operating accomplished and. And trained this guy. And all of a sudden now, now you're. Now I'm like, okay, well, how am I gonna, you know, enhance him? How I'm doing this? And I'm almost asking him for advice, like, what are we doing? He's like, oh, you know, we're not gonna do this, we're gonna do that. And so I still kick myself to that day thinking, well, wait a minute, dude, I was already there. I was already way past that. Why was I like. I guess you didn't want to mess up in a sense, you know, but you're kind of like, like, oh, okay. But that's what Eddie was feeling, man. He was. He was. Are. In a sense, he was already there. He was ready to go, you. He would have had a great freaking match with you. And he would have just came in like, all right, let's do this, man. No, but he was like. I remember that. He was like, hammer, stone cold. And he wouldn't voice it to me, but he would voice it to me without voicing it. I could see it on his demeanor, on his mind. He was like. Like, okay, like, this is big.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, but, dude, I requested to work with Eddie because I was burned out and I wasn't feeling what I needed to feel. And I was sitting there watching Eddie's work, and I was like, man, I got to work with this guy because that's. That's how much I appreciate what he was doing.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

But he was just coming back at that time.

[Interviewer/Host]

I know, but then they shut the program down because they had me go somewhere else or something happened. Something blew up. But. But they shut the program down. But I requested to work with that, and it was just, you know. But going back to your. Your. That match with Cena, you're going back, I'm thinking, to about 2004. Think about it. When was that? 2004, 2005.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

That match was probably a little bit later in my career. Probably like more like 2008, 2009.

[Interviewer/Host]

But there is a match from 05, dude. But my point is, can you do. Can you believe time has flown as fast as it has? Because we're sitting there talking about that, and I just finished watching the match on YouTube.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah. It's like, dude, we're sitting here. It's 18.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Our first. Mine. Eddie's first match in WW. I think WWF at the time, it was WWE. Our first match together as a tag team. And we already know. We've already worked in WCW together, and we grew up together and all this stuff. They put us together. Me and Eddie against John Cena and Edge. And John Cena was still wearing tights. He still had the short shorts on and wrestling boots. So we said, ah, don't worry about it. We'll just, you know, we'll lead you through it. And we, you know, we went on there, just. Just kicked ass. And we came back. I had. And we just. It was. It was. I don't even think it was on a smackdown. I think it was like on a. Like a. One of the. The other shows of Velocity or. I don't. I don't know. All the different shows that they had, the Saturday night show, whatever it was. And all of a sudden, man, we walked through the curtain like, all right, that Was good. That was fun. I had edge. Eric Bischoff. People going, wow, that was crazy. That was like the. The Anderson's working like the old Anderson's going back to. And we're like, all right, all right, cool. And so then the next week, we didn't work together. The week after that, I was at the gym getting ready. No one told me no. Smart me up. I'm working out Eddie. And Eddie's just coming back to. Just after his thing with you. And he goes, hey, man, we're in Toronto. Goes, you and me tonight. I said, oh, cool. All right, man. Wow. He goes, yeah. Main event smackdown, also against Angle and Benoit. And I was like, oh, okay. So I was like, all right, let's do this. So we walked in there and we just. We know we did the match, and me and N just went to town. As I come back, Kuronengle comes next to me and goes, hey. He goes, what the hell was that? What do you mean? He goes, you guys kicked our asses out there, so you gotta do it to us, right? He's like, yeah, but, man, you guys were. You guys were coming, so. Yeah. And from that day on, we were together, and they put. And then they started running off. I guess they just, you know, they want to test us, you know, I guess that's the deal. That. Test us over there. Main event smackdown. You see if you can hang or you can't hang. I guess we hung and right there together, that. That took off and we went from Los Guerreros as heels to. All of a sudden. I remember pulling it. We pulled this man aside when Vince. You still used to eat in. In catering. We pulled him aside. He said, events, we have this idea, man. We want to do these vignettes. We're heels and they hate us. We're lying and cheesy. We never won with. They're like, why don't you guys go with a double frog splash? Why? We. No, we were heels. We're gonna boo us. We lied. That's what cheat to win came from. We cheat to. We never won without cheating.

So we pulled. You know, we talked to Vince, said, we want to do this. We want to, like, light steel and doozy vignettes and stuff. And Vince was like, I like it. I like it. That's cool. Okay, we're gonna do that by the end of the day. Bruce Pritchard's coming up to come up. Hey, Eddie, we're flying you out to LA on Thursday. We're gonna shoot this. He's like, all right. Great. We got to set out here now. I live in, you know, about an hour away, Drove out here in Beverly Hills. They rented a house arrest with extras and catering and trailers and stuff. It was a movie set. And I looked at. He go, man, we. We gotta knock this out. We gotta. We gotta kick ass on this. So then we did it. We did some. Three or four different vignettes. The baby bottle vignette, the pool vignette, some other vignettes, and then the next week or next week or week after that, we're heels. We're total heels. And the. The vignettes. One vignette airs, and when it airs, we're like, all right, let's try this. Man, that was good. The next week, nothing else changed besides that vignette aired, same music. And then we walk out, chest bowed out, lats flared. And we look at each other, and they cheered us. We go, oh, man, we're baby faces, man. Are you kidding me? And we went to. We went to Hunter, said, why are we baby faces? He goes, you're just too entertaining. So then we. We started doing light sheet steel, but in a cute way. You know, we started doing, like, all the stuff with, you know, Eddie stuff. We'd do some stuff where I'd be in the ring and Eddie would leave the tag rope and walk halfway down and go for the tag. And the referee would be like, get it back. Get back. Use a tag rope. So he'd come back, and then we'd do it again. And then all of a sudden, the third time, Eddie would untie the rope and tie it out of the turnbuckle, tie it on the rope, and walk all the way down and go for the tag. And the ref would go, hey, grab the tag rope and go. He's halfway down the road, he's like, I got it right here. He says, get back and get back. I made the tag, hot tag come in, and boom, boom, we start going to the finish. That's all that changed. Nothing changed, except we just started doing these cute. And we started these vignettes.

[Interviewer/Host]

But it's weird as. As time went on, just the way people were watching the business, because, like, I always. I always think superstar Billy Graham could have been the first Stone Cold. Oh, yeah, because he became cool as a heel. But then Bob Backlin beat him, and he just.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

First Hulk Hogan. He was the first everything, right? Yeah.

[Interviewer/Host]

And so. So then I turned into, you know, dude, I was trying to be the. The worst piece of hill I could be. And I. I'd get you know, more pops in my baby face opponent. And then Brian Pillman had just come in, right? And he'd come up to me, goes, God dang, kid, you're effing. He, you're, you're effing baby face. And I'd say, f you, I'm a heel. Because, dude, you know, you take so much pride in trying to be one or the other. And so I was serious about it, but the people turned me. So we did the magic 13 with me and Brett and so I segued. But it's just weird because going back to, I think my favorite period in the business is mid-80s and really probably Mid South. And I loved NWA as well. So that'd be like a toss up, dude. You had shooting heat back in, you know, when Hills could still do stuff. And now, because at that point the business was somewhat, still protected, very, very probably. But these days it is what it is. You can still get heat, but it ain't the same. You remember those old days or how were the days when growing up watching your whole family get shooting heat or any vivid memories of those kind of moments?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I would see my family, I would see my dad, I would see my uncles. And I always relate that to them because that's who I was around all the time.

In El Paso and Juarez, Mexico, they would fight their way back to the dressing room and then have to sneak out the dressing room window because they had so much heat. They were fighting with chairs and people wanted to kill them because the fans still believed we hadn't.

It just changed throughout. The business has changed now. You know, you say, hey, I'm gonna kick your butt. Then a fan will step up you, well, I'll sue you. You know, touch me, I'll sue you. So I got, actually got to see it when I was in India, I was in India for that Rinka King. And it was me and Harry Smith were tag team partners and we were their tag champs against Abyss and Scott Steiner. But the, the Indian people still believed. So Scott Steiner jumped into the fans. He like, we're not, we're getting ready to film tv and he's jumping into the fans and they're, they look like ants. They would spread like ants and he'd start climbing like the, the balcony and they're like ah, like screaming and yelling, yelling and fa like ah, like it was. They believe they. Nobody was standing up to him like, oh yeah, you know, try me. No, not one. They were partying like the Red Sea and it was like crazy. Scott Steiners He's a big guy, but then when he. When he gets pumped up and he's all ready to go, and he's like. Like, you know, mouth is frothing. He grows really. He gets really big. And all of a sudden, like, if you're in the locker room, like, yeah, maybe I'll take him. I. May I fight him in the ring? Hell no. Like, hell no. Like, he gets like. Like, what the heck? His veins popping out of his neck. He jumps in the ring, and I look at him, I go. I was like. Like, shoot. Scared. Like, I do. I go, bro, please, don't. Don't eat me. And he looks at me and winks, and I go, all right, it's on. We're good. And I was like, oh. Because I was literally like, like, what do I do? Like. Like, they just started fighting in the crowd and going, people script. And that's how it used to be. The heat was incredible. I saw when people jump in the ring trying to want to fight you, and they're the. The heels. I grew up in that era with a. They couldn't. You couldn't park in the. In the parking lot because they would slash your tires. They. They. They wreck your car. You had to park, you know, five, six blocks away or get a ride in because you. They. You know, you couldn't ride with your opponent. They. They believed that's the way it was, man. It was. It was. It was a great time in wrestling.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hey, man, last question. We're right off in the sunset. What did you think about the magic between Eddie and Art Bar? I just thought they were a super dynamic tag team, and they had shoot Heat.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

They had shoot Heat, man. You went from a lucha libre style wrestling, where it was Lucha libre, it's just a different style. It's a lot of high flying. It's a dog. No rules and no this. And Eddie and Art came from American, Mexican, Japanese style to trying to make sense of everything and why they were getting heat. Sometimes the heat in. In Lucha Libre's, I'm beating you up because that's the part of the match we're gonna do. There's no real heat there. So people are like. Like, doing their horns.

When I got real heat, there's no sound. People are like, just look, there's that white heat. When they're looking at you, they're like, they want to kill you, but they don't want to say anything because then you might kill them. Like, I want. I want people. When I leave that ring, I want people Yelling, you beaner, you. I hate you.

[Interviewer/Host]

You.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

That's what I want. I want. You're so lucky, man.

[Interviewer/Host]

You're.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

That's what I want. I don't want people going, yeah, clapping. Well, you did a good move. I hate. I hate that. I want people hating me, spitting on me, throwing piss on me. That's what I want. That's what. I'm doing my job, right? And that's what they had, because they were sitting there, you got a. A, you know, Latino, you know, a Mexican, a Guerrero who's big in. In Mexico, saying, I'm gringo, gringo, locos. And he's dyed his hair blonde, and all of a sudden he's. He's got United States colors on him, and he's doing the. He's swimming across the mat. So when you guys swim across, man, that's. That's pretty brutal. And then all of a sudden, they'd go in there and beat people up and then sell when they had to sell. And, man, there was. There was heat. There was heat there. So that's why the. The. The chemistry was so good. And I remember Eddie because when I was with Eddie, when I first started with Eddie, he's like, hey, man. Because you remind me of me when I was working with Art. He said, I was always trying to just keep up, man. I was trying to get him and trying to beat, like, him. He goes, just be you, man. Just be you. I remember doing a promo. Me and Eddie did a promo when we first started out, and Rock pulled me, said Rock was still doing stuff with us. And he goes, hey, man, why are you talking like him? And I was like. I said, well, man, I was trying to explain myself. He goes, man, you're you. Be you. Be you. He's him. He's Eddie. Don't be Eddie. Be you. And from that day forward, I dropped the fake accent. I just started being. My accent, you know? I mean, it started being the comical one just the way I was. And that was because of Rock, was that. And I was like, oh, yeah. Sometimes you just need somebody to tell you, you know, you don't know sometimes. But that's what the. The chemistry with it with him and Art were. It was pretty amazing what happened to Art.

[Interviewer/Host]

Was it od?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I believe so. I believe so. I was with Eddie and I heard about that, and, man, it's just. Who knows? Heart stop. Eddie's heart stop. He had heart disease at 38. And what they attribute it to is years of drug abuse before he was clean for years and he did so much heart damage to his heart and scar tissue that he passed. Who knows? You got people that are, you know, drug adds for 20 years and they're fine.

[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Who knows?

[Interviewer/Host]

Well, let's don't go down that road. Yes. Well, you. You came here to talk about glow. Just give the final rundown on where people can catch glow. And congratulations on being a part of it. Yeah, I was on from day one.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Good.

[Interviewer/Host]

When that show debuted, I was there. It's cool that it's going on now and that.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Okay, season two, we're gonna blow your socks off. We didn't want to come in as Ferris Bueller's Day offs. You know, number two, we came in as Terminator 2. We actually came out with a better storyline and more wrestling. And actually, man, we topped season one. And I truly believe that it's June 29th on Netflix. It debuts. You can binge watch the heck out of it and come check it out, man. You're gonna be really surprised. You'll be happy.

[Interviewer/Host]

Where can people find you on social media, Facebook or whatever?

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Find me at. On Instagram @ChavagirlJr. You find me on on Twitter @MexWarrior and on Facebook, I'm @Chavagirl Junior. So it's all kind of linked all together. You may follow me on Facebook, you follow me from me on Instagram. You'll see it all.

[Interviewer/Host]

Dude, I didn't know you were just right down the road.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

That's it, man.

[Interviewer/Host]

Time. You want to stop by, give me a yell and come back.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

I'm gonna come by and give you some of my beer. We're gonna go out and do some motorcycle riding, drink some beers and I'm.

[Interviewer/Host]

Down with that whole nother podcast. And down the road.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

All right.

[Interviewer/Host]

About riding motorcycles, rving, boating and a love of firearms in the safe aspect.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

Absolutely. Absolutely. Down that big time.

[Interviewer/Host]

Chapel Guerrero Jr. Part of the world famous Guerrero wrestling family signing off. 317 gimmicks drop. Appreciate it.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

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[Interviewer/Host]

Yeah, we would. All right, everybody give me to go home. Cue summer wrap up spodcast. Ride off into the sunset. And that's what I'm fixing to do. Grab my stuff, head to the firing range, head down and ride some Bureau of Land Management land on my Kawasaki Mule Pro fxt and enjoy the great outdoors offered out here in the great state of Nevada. I want to thank my guest, Chavo Guerrero Jr. For coming down to 317 Gimmick St. Open up a can of audio Whoop ass. It's always great talking with Chavo and I look forward to having him again on the podcast. That's how much I enjoyed that conversation. And don't forget, we've got Enzo Amore Real One coming up this Tuesday and Thursday on the Steve Austin Show. I'm heading back to Los Angeles on Monday. Got some good guests lined up and we're going to keep cracking and moving forward. Before I sign off. ProWrestlingTees.com SteveAustin has all the shirts from Broken Skull Ranch and we've got some new stuff coming out asap. And I got a badass beer which is called Broken Skull IPA made from El Segundo Brewing Co. You can find at Whole Foods and Total Wines. If you live in Cali. If you don't live in cali, check out insidethecellar.com and see if they ship to your state. And if you're looking for a badass pocket knife like I got, check out the Cold Steel Broken Skull Knives knife or the Cold steel Working Man's knife at my new Amazon store. Amazon has the best price on both knives. Just go to Amazon.com shop steveaustin or go to the Cold Steel Knives website where they have not only the Broken Skull knife, the Working man knife, but a plethora of knives. Some of the best in the business. Folks, until next time, my name is Steve Austin and I'll catch your ass down the road. This has been a podcast one production. Download new episodes of the Steve Austin show every [e-mail] that's podcastone.com.

[Chavo Guerrero Jr.]

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[Interviewer/Host]

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