#686 - From Bullied To Boxing Champion: Sugar Ray Leonard & Tai Lopez

Summary

The Tai Lopez Show – Episode #686

Title: From Bullied To Boxing Champion: Sugar Ray Leonard & Tai Lopez
Air Date: March 8, 2025

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Main Theme

In this captivating episode, Tai Lopez sits down with legendary boxing champion Sugar Ray Leonard for a live, candid conversation about Leonard’s journey from a bullied, shy child to a world-renowned boxing icon. The discussion explores not only the drive and mindset needed to achieve greatness in the ring but also the personal battles, discipline, physical routines, setbacks, and life lessons that shaped Sugar Ray’s success. With humor, honesty, and actionable insight, the episode delivers universal lessons for anyone striving for peak performance—whether in business, sports, or life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sugar Ray’s Early Life and Bullying

• Sugar Ray shares that as a kid, he was quiet and non-confrontational. Despite coming from a tough family, no one thought he'd become a boxer.
• He credits his brother Roger, who used to beat him up as a child, with toughening him:

  “My brother Roger used to beat me up for no apparent reason. He just saw me and pow, hit me in the head.” (00:08)

• Taunted, bullied, and underestimated, Leonard's journey to boxing was driven by a desire to prove himself:

  “No one believed it until they saw me box one day in the ring, and...that built up my confidence.” (02:57)

2. Turning Pain Into Progress

• Tai draws a parallel to Elon Musk, emphasizing how childhood adversity can fuel ambition:

  “You can turn pain into progress...” (04:00)

• Leonard highlights his transformation:

  “In the ring, I become more aggressive and this and that, but outside that ring, I'm so opposite.” (04:00)

3. The Psychological Aspect of Boxing

• Sugar Ray underscores the mental challenges in boxing:

  “It's what's within you. How bad do you want to be good?... And what are you willing to do to be great?” (06:34)

• He recalls the famous rivalry with Roberto Duran:

  “Duran was mental, psychological. And he beat me the first fight, and then I beat him with the normal.” (07:38)

• Leonard credits psychological intimidation for his iconic “no mas” victory:

  “I looked at him and, you know, when I stuck my chin out...you know, if you're in a fight and someone laughs at you...it takes a lot to come back.” (09:18)

4. The Role of Team and Support Network

• Sugar Ray disputes the notion of boxing as a solitary sport:

  “Boxing, from day one, was always considered mano a mano...that's the furthest thing from the truth, because I have a corner. I have a team...It’s wonderful.” (10:35)

5. Training, Diet, and Physical Discipline

• On training hours:

  “I think the most I've ever went, probably two hours.” (15:52) “That includes the running. The...I used to run three to five miles every morning.” (15:58)

• Approach to diet and cutting weight:

  “I like McDonald's. I mean, I like Big Mac...but I do it in moderation. I mean, you can do anything if you do it in moderation.” (11:29)

• On gaining versus losing weight:

  “No problem whatsoever [losing weight]. But it was tough getting up there when I was 160.” (12:19)

6. Advice on Success and Well-being

• Emphasis on balance, listening to the body, and patience:

  “Do things in moderation. Listen to your body. Your body tells you, come on, let's back off.” (17:00)

• On rest and recovery:

  “Maybe six hours? I mean, at night.” (17:16) “When I trained so hard that my body says, let's go to sleep.” (17:26)

7. Boxing Culture, Fame, and Corruption

• Tai and Sugar Ray joke about famous rivals (IRS being the fastest opponent), and discuss the prevalence of corruption in boxing:

  “I don't think it's overrated, but...everything in life has that corruption.” (14:14)

• Sugar Ray also touches briefly on gambling (for fun) and living in LA.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Being Bullied and Proving Himself
  “No one believed it until they saw me box one day in the ring, and they said, son, you do okay. That built up my confidence.” — Sugar Ray Leonard (02:57)

• On Mindset and Willpower
  “It's what's within you. How bad do you want to be good? And what are you willing to do to be great?” — Sugar Ray Leonard (06:34)

• On Psychological Warfare in the Ring
  “Duran was mental, psychological. And he beat me the first fight, and then I beat him with the normal.” — Sugar Ray Leonard (07:38)
  “I looked at him...when I stuck my chin out...if you're in a fight and someone laughs at you...it takes a lot to come back.” — Sugar Ray Leonard (09:18)

• On Teamwork
  “I have a corner. I have a team. I have a great attorney, have a great agent...it's wonderful.” — Sugar Ray Leonard (10:35)

• On Diet and Moderation
  “I like McDonald's...but I do it in moderation.” — Sugar Ray Leonard (11:29)

• On Recovery
  “When I trained so hard that my body says, let's go to sleep.” — Sugar Ray Leonard (17:26)

• Humor: When asked who was the fastest opponent, Sugar Ray jokes:

  “Internal Revenue.” — Sugar Ray Leonard (06:55)

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Important Timestamps

• [00:08] – Sugar Ray recalls being bullied by his brother Roger
• [02:57] – Gaining confidence from boxing after being underestimated
• [04:00] – Transforming adversity into aggression and drive
• [06:34] – The mental and physical demands of boxing
• [07:38] – Rivalry with Roberto Duran; “Hands of Stone” backstory
• [09:18] – Psychological warfare and the “no mas” fight
• [10:35] – The critical importance of having a support team in boxing
• [11:29] – Diet, food preferences, and the value of moderation
• [12:19] – The challenge of moving up in weight classes
• [15:52] – The reality of boxing training sessions
• [17:00] – Advice on discipline, moderation, and listening to the body
• [17:26] – Sugar Ray on sleep and recovery

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Tone & Closing

Throughout the interview, Leonard is both candid and humorous, revealing vulnerabilities but also sharing the champion’s mindset. Tai Lopez provides a business and self-development lens, guiding the discussion toward lessons applicable to all ambitious listeners:

• Boxing (and success) is a science of self-discipline, team-building, strategic thinking, and psychological toughness.
• Leonard’s story is proof that early adversity, when used constructively, can fuel world-changing achievement.

Memorable Finale

As the episode draws to a close, Leonard offers an impromptu boxing demonstration, charming the live audience and leaving listeners with a sense of accessible greatness and humility:

“I took a punch from Sugar Ray.” — Tai Lopez (19:59)

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Summary

A deeply insightful and engaging conversation, this episode is rich in lessons on grit, resilience, and striving for excellence. Sugar Ray Leonard’s journey offers powerful takeaways for anyone—whether facing the ring or life’s many challenges.

Transcript

[Host/Interviewer]

I took a punch from Sugar Ray. You were a quiet kid and nobody thought you'd be a boxer, right?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

My brother Roger used to beat me up for no apparent reason. He just saw me and pow, hit me in the head.

[Host/Interviewer]

So when you turned pro at 20, did he decide to stop punching you?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

No one believed it until they saw me box one day in the ring, and they said, son, you do okay. You do okay. And that built up my confidence, and one thing led to another. Then I start beating my brother up. It feels so good.

[Host/Interviewer]

Here in my garage.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Let me in.

[Host/Interviewer]

Sugar Ray Leonard, the champ. How are you?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

What's up, buddy?

[Host/Interviewer]

Thank you for coming.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Oh, thanks for letting me.

[Host/Interviewer]

I got a business mastermind and I'm like, I'm going to bring greatness, so.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Well, thank you so much.

[Host/Interviewer]

Thank you, sir. Legend Sugar Ray Leonard. Who here likes boxing? Who has been following boxing? So, you know, it's always the question, who's the greatest boxer of all time? And there's different opinions, but, you know, you come up in that conversation and I was talking earlier about titans, right? You know, don't try to compare titans. And you're certainly a titan. And we were doing a little walking and talking about. One of the things you said that was interesting to me is that you were a quiet kid and nobody thought you'd be a boxer, right? So, you know, you were quiet and not everybody thought you'd be a boxer. But what you said in the kitchen was you calculated you put in 100,000 hours of practice. That's pretty incredible. What kept you going in the gym? Because I feel like everyone in the modern world kind of works hard until it gets hard and then they give up.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Well, my big brother Roger used to just beat me up just because I was there. I mean, really, he and I would cry and go to my mother, and she said, what's wrong? What's wrong with you? Why are you crying? I said, something happened. I never told her. I told her. I told her now. But my brother Roger used to beat me up for no apparent reason. He just saw me and pow, hit me in the head.

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh, like when you were super young?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Well, I was. He did up until I was like maybe 15, 17.

[Host/Interviewer]

Really?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

So when you turned pro at 20, did he decide to stop punching you?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Oh, he stopped. No, he. No, he stopped way before then. He. Who has family members like your brothers or your sister that really.

[Host/Interviewer]

Who was bullied by family? Anybody?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

That's what I wanted to say. I was non confrontational. I was shy. I Mean, my personality. If you say he's a boxer, they wouldn't believe it.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

And no one believed it until they saw me box one day in the ring. And they said, son, you do okay. You do okay. And that built up my confidence. And one thing led to another. I tried out for the 1972 Olympics, and I lost in the quarterfinals. And I was in the dressroom crying. And this coach came back there, Johnson, and he said, hey, sugar man, you will be more experienced in 1976. And he said that. I said, okay. And he was correct because I won the gold medal in 1976 in Montreal. Then I started beating my brother up. It feels so good.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

They say necessity is the mother invention. Like, I read the Elon Musk biography, and he was also. He was bullied a lot as a kid. He says he still has to have surgery for his nose every once in a while. So it's like you can turn pain into progress, but, you know, I.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Again, I am not well. In the ring, I am. I become more aggressive and this and that, but outside that ring, I'm so opposite.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

You know, you were, like, sizing me up.

[Host/Interviewer]

I wasn't sizing you up.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Yes, you were.

[Host/Interviewer]

I wasn't trying to. Never pick a fight with a boxer. Trust me.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

No, he was doing like this, and he didn't say anything, but he just looked, and I said, well, I'm serious. You want to do a couple rounds?

[Host/Interviewer]

No. No. Boxing.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

No, No, I won't hit. I won't hit you hard. Well, I can't. I know. I can't promise that. I can't promise that I won't hurt you.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, you can't promise that you won't hurt me. Ty, would you like to get hurt voluntarily? No.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

No. But. But should we do a couple rounds?

[Host/Interviewer]

I'll do it. And with some gear on, I get a helmet. I get a thing.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

I always tell people, it's like the average. I saw a statistic. 80% of men overestimate how well they do in a fight. So my favorite woman youtuber, she goes around on the beach where there's a whole bunch of buff dudes, and she asks them, would you do pretty well in a fight if you had to protect me? Who were dating? And of course, all the guys go, oh, yeah. And she goes, would you demonstrate for the camera kind of the moves you would do? And guys look so bad. There's a guy working for me. I won't say one other guy's working for me. Where is he from? Australia. He's like, ty, I'm a pretty good. I do Brazilian Jiu jitsu, and I have a teacher who's a coral belt. His uncle invented jiu jitsu, and he was at 1.300. And the Australian guy works for me. He's like, I think I could take them. And I said. I said, look, I'll give you $1 million if you win, but if you lose, you have to pay us 30 grand. And he was very wise to not take that money. But then I asked him, are you good at boxing? He's like, yeah. I said, can you demonstrate a little bit? I gotta show the video. It's so bad. I feel like boxing, they call it, you know, this sweet science kind of. Why do you think boxing's so hard? Like, you can box. I'm pretty coordinated in two or three years. In most sports, I look decent. But boxing, you can box for 10 years and then watch yourself on camera and you're like, I look like an idiot. Why do you think it's so tricky of a sport?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

That's a good word, tricky. It's what's within you. How bad do you want to be good?

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

And what are you willing to do to be great? But even again, that is still. It's not guaranteed.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

You were saying, like, some people just born fast.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Born fast.

[Host/Interviewer]

Who's the fastest guy you ever boxed?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Internal Revenue.

[Host/Interviewer]

Internal Revenue Service. Irs.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

No.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

No, it's.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, they are fast. They are fast. Although you've seen all this government spending. I'm like, all of us are due a refund. We've been funding the BBC. I'm like, wait a second. BBC is the British. How come we're paying that bill? So, by the way, who was the guy when he hit you, besides irs, that you were like, maybe I should have picked a different profession. Was there anyone ever like that?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Roberto Duran. Roberto. Roberto Monostay Piedras.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Yeah. Hands of Stone. No, Durant. Durant. When I first fought Durant, he was talking trash and he cursed me. He cursed my wife. So he got into my head. I mean, we know it now. We're friends now. But I used to hate that sentiment. But Duran was mental, psychological. And he beat me the first fight, and then I beat him with the normal.

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh, he beat you? The first one.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

The first fight, yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

If you tonight or this week, watch the movie that's about Sugar Ray. Usher plays you.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Yes.

[Host/Interviewer]

And it's called Hands of Stone. Right. It's got Robert De Niro in it. It's a really good movie about that. And for those of you who don't really study boxing that much, there's a very. One of the most famous fights in boxing history is Sugar Ray beating this guy from Panama named Roberto Duran who had really heavy hands. Heavy hands. Some dudes just have heavy hands. Right. They hit way harder than you think. And the famous line at the end, he was beating. Sugar Ray was winning. So beating him so bad that the guy just said, no mas. No mas.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

You were playing with them, doing the whack.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Hit the other hand. Yeah, but the right.

[Host/Interviewer]

And he just gave up. That never really happened. He just. He was in the corner and he said, no mas. No mas. And that was honestly one of the most controversial fights.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Absolutely. And again, the fight was six months later after he beat me, and again, I beat him more psychologically than anything.

[Host/Interviewer]

So you think that the reason you won. You lost the first fight against him, you think the reason you won the second time was the psychology?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Yeah, I looked at him and, you know, when I stuck my chin out, when people laugh, you know, if you're in a fight and someone laughs at you, like. Like majority of the crowd, it takes a lot to come back. You know what I mean? It takes a lot.

[Host/Interviewer]

So you intimidated him.

[Audience Member/Participant]

There you go.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

That's the word I want to use. Intimidated.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

It's like my big brother, when my big brother used to beat me up and I used to pound him out.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yes.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

It's what you make it.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Who here was bullied growing up?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Who?

[Audience Member/Participant]

What?

[Host/Interviewer]

Who was bullied growing up in school? Okay, who was the bully? Who here was a bully? Honestly, nobody wants to admit. There has to be.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

What?

[Host/Interviewer]

Craig, were you about to raise your hand?

[Audience Member/Participant]

What? Okay.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Think about it. This is one of the best fighting that I've met in 20 minutes.

[Host/Interviewer]

So social circle for you as a boxer? Did you keep a huge social circle or were you pretty tight with a set of coaches and you pretty much just focused on working with them?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Well, first of all, I made. Well, I didn't make sure, but the people that are around me made sure that I had a great attorney. Agent. I mean, it just. I have a team. You know, boxing, from day one, was always considered mano mano. Me. Me against you, you know, that's the furthest thing from the truth, because I have a corner. I have a team. I have a great attorney, have a great agent. I have all these things I have. You know, it's wonderful.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah. It's hard to be successful alone.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Absolutely. Absolutely. And it's not that easy, but you just got to be patient. Put it that way.

[Host/Interviewer]

What was the diet you found worked for the best for you when you were training at the highest performance? What'd you need to eat? Could you be vegan? Could you be. Were you carnivore? Were you balanced diet? Were you weighing your food?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Well, no, I mean, I. I like McDonald's. I mean, I like Big Mac. No, I do. I like Big Mac.

[Host/Interviewer]

You and Trump were having. Trump is also a guy. Trump, Bill Clinton and Sugar Ray. Like McDonald's.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

No, I love fish sandwiches. I still, I tell you, but I do it in moderation.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

I mean, you can do anything if you do it in moderation.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

So I, you know, I. I'm not. I'm not the best eater. I mean, I don't do diets and stuff. And if I want to lose weight, I can. If I shoot, I play tennis, I can lose between five and ten pounds.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

In two hours. Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

So you were always good at cutting weight. What did you fight at? 147?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

I fought at 140. I fought at 118. 125. 130. No. 132.

[Host/Interviewer]

You didn't have any problem dropping like that?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

No, no problem. No problem whatsoever. But it was tough getting up there when I was 160. That's Marvin Hagler. Marvin Hagler was a middleweight.

[Host/Interviewer]

You went up to 160.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

160.

[Host/Interviewer]

That was harder to go up than down.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Oh, yeah. I mean, again, when I most fights, serious fights, I will lose between five and ten pounds.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Yeah. I mean, even today I can lose five to ten pounds.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

And you said, now your favorite thing to do is tennis. I read a statistic that people who do kind of racket sports live the longest, like tennis, you know, things like this. Now, pickleball, anybody? Pickleball.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Pickleball, yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Anyway, pickleball is like this new thing. It's. You're Australian. They do it down there in Australia a lot.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Paddle. Who's the great. Who's the most famous Australian boxer of all time?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Yep.

[Host/Interviewer]

Australia.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Ever have anybody? Yes. They. I can't think of.

[Host/Interviewer]

We can't think of one. Hey, Siri. Greatest Australian boxer of all time. It says there's no one in your contacts. Name? Greatest American boxer, Australia. Australian boxer. Okay, let's ask. Has anybody noticed that series getting stupider and stupider? Is that just me? It used to be better. Now let's see what happened. Australia, you're supposed to Be all the tough dudes down there. Kotscha Tsuyu Kotscha. Kostya Kosta choose you. He doesn't sound. He's Russian. Jeff Finnick, Lionel reese. George Kambosos Jr. That's probably. He beat Teofimo. What do you think Boxing. The one thing about boxing is how to wrap for being corrupt. Corrupt where like, you know, fights are thrown this direction. Vegas Mafia. Do you feel like that played a big part or is overrated that box?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

I don't think it's overrated, but I think that, you know, everything in life has that corruption. Yeah, corruption.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

They just found all that basketball referees have been betting on basketball. They just going after a player now for throwing the game. I saw. It's like, who gambles here, by the way? Any professional gamblers? I have people who follow me that are full time. Living is like sports gambling all. They live in Vegas, they make bets all around. Nobody's done that. Only one guy.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

No, I gamble a little bit.

[Host/Interviewer]

You gamble?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Yep. $3.

[Host/Interviewer]

$3?

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Makes you not. I've had my share. I've had my share.

[Host/Interviewer]

Did you ever live in Vegas?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

I should have.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

No, but no, I. I live in Los Angeles.

[Host/Interviewer]

But you're from Wilmington, right? You're from North Carolina?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Yeah, North Carolina, yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Where I grew up.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

We moved to D.C. washington, D.C. when I was like 3 years old. Then moved to Maryland when I was like 5, 10. That's, you know, I stay there. That's my.

[Host/Interviewer]

And the fire didn't affect you too much because you're down there by the.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Well, now this. We're talking 30, 40 years ago. Yeah, yeah. So.

[Host/Interviewer]

But now you live. Are you in Palisades?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

I'm in Pacific Palisades. I mean, I could look across the street and see the fires.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, but it didn't come near you?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

No, no.

[Host/Interviewer]

Going back to the physical side, how many hours a day would you train? What do you think is the maximum the body can be pushed?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

You can push the body? I mean, as much as it can. I mean really.

[Host/Interviewer]

But did you go six hours a day training, three hours?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

No, I think the most I've ever went, probably two hours.

[Host/Interviewer]

Two hours?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer]

Because boxing's so intense.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

But that includes the running. The. You know, I used to run five. Run three to five miles every morning. Every morning? Yeah. But I was. I'm also young. I was young too, you know. Do you guys feel that your birthday comes like every week? I mean, I'm 68.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Yeah. And I don't feel it.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

I mean, I do feel it. I do, but I don't feel it.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

If that makes any sense.

[Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, but you state muscle has a lot of memory. They say what you do in your 20s and 30s, pretty much you can rebuild that muscle much easier in your 40s, 50s, and 60s, or at least maintain.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Right, maintain.

[Host/Interviewer]

So it's like you're always staying true trim. You know, the average at 70% of Americans are overweight. That's the good thing about a boxer. So it's interesting. I have a friend who's a UFC fighter, and he's like you. He's like, he has no problem cutting weight. He can cut £20. And then you meet some people can't cut £20 in their life. You think that's just pure discipline, willpower, or was it your coaches pushing you?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

It's a little bit of everything. It's a little bit of everything. And it just, you know, again, I do things in moderation. Listen to your body. Your body tells you, come on, let's back off. Just back off a little bit.

[Host/Interviewer]

Did you. Did you nap every day? Were you big on napping?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Maybe six hours? I mean, at night. I mean.

[Host/Interviewer]

Oh, you only slept six hours at night?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Yeah, yeah, I can't. I can't sleep.

[Host/Interviewer]

Even when you were training?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Even when I was training, yeah. Well, actually, no, I take that back, because I would go to sleep because I trained so hard that my body says, let's go to sleep.

[Audience Member/Participant]

Yeah.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

And it just happens that way.

[Host/Interviewer]

Some people just who here can do well under eight hours. You feel amazing. Yeah, you got that Arnold Schwarzenegger that way, Donald Trump's that way. And you. Now there's a whole set of group of people who need 10 to 12 hours. That's Albert Einstein and LeBron James. LeBron says he sleeps 12 hours a day. Who hears more? 10 to 12 hour would be ideal.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Love.

[Host/Interviewer]

Only two people.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

That's something.

[Host/Interviewer]

Who here is good with eight?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Most people, I don't ever sleep eight hours.

[Host/Interviewer]

Well, you never sleep eight? Well, Trump says he sleeps five hours. And it's just, which is insane. If I sleep five hours, I am at zero immune system. But I think that's very genetic. There's just some people, like Arnold Schwarzenegger says he sleeps five hours, six hours, stuff like that. But I'll tell you what, most of those people who do that go to bed early. Arnold Schwarzenegger told me he goes to bed at like 9 or 10, and he wakes up at 4 every morning, reads for an hour, rides his bike to the gym and then works out for an hour and then eats breakfast at, like, seven. So he's. He's only getting six hours, but he's getting it early in the night. Where you get more IGF1, you get more growth hormone. You know, stuff like that. Okay, we only have time for one question. One question. Joe, you're a Jiu Jitsu guy. What would you like to learn?

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

You know what? Come up here.

[Host/Interviewer]

Joe.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Let me go take a question. How you doing, Joe?

[Host/Interviewer]

You made a mistake. We might have come with a hook or straight.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Oh, no, I'm not going to hurt you. Okay, Don't. Don't do that. I just want you to feel something. I like you, man.

[Audience Member/Participant]

All right.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Thank you. Okay. Why he's breathing so. God.

[Host/Interviewer]

Tense up here.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

I took a punch from Sugar Ray.

[Host/Interviewer]

All right, everybody, give Sugar Ray Leonard a hand.

[Sugar Ray Leonard]

Thank you.