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#743 - Why Men’s Testosterone Is Half Their Grandfathers — with Ben Greenfield
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Is sugar the number one thing killing Americans?
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Eating too much food is the number one thing killing Americans. If you're burning 2200 calories a day, you could lose weight and achieve pretty good body composition if you were drinking 2000 calories of coca Cola a day.
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What was Covid government? Was it Bill Gates? My mom thinks it was Bill Gates. Some people say it was bat, Some people say it was in a lab.
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I have no clue. If I had to guess, there was research being done in a lab on a virus that escaped.
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Why is the average man's testosterone like a half of what his grandfather's?
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Was the absence of fear and danger and discomfort because it is so easy to be sexually, physically and economically satisfied right now in your basement with AI.
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Porn here in my garage. Welcome to the Tai Lopez Show. I'm here with none other than Ben Greenfield. He's been on Joe Rogan three times, New York Times bestseller. He's been a mentor to me and one of the most famous biohackers health experts. He's just built his complete, probably the greatest biohacking home in America. Cost millions. We're gonna be talking about that. We're gonna talk about the scams in health. We're gonna talk about the things that actually work, the peptides. We're going to talk about Ozempic, we're going to talk about, you know, which diet? Keto, Pescatarian, carnivore. What's the best? So been on the show. Kind of was one of the first health people I brought on, and I was like, man, there's so much going on in the world. I just want to bring you on and just almost do like a bullet like, question. Like, I'm just going to start with one. So you're in your opinion.
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Yeah.
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What was Covid? What was man made? Was it a government? Was it Bill Gates? My mom thinks it was Bill Gates trying to control the world. You know, some people say it was bat, some people say it was in a lab.
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I have no clue.
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If you are a guessing man, what do you think?
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If I had to guess, there was research being done in a lab on a virus that escapes that was. That was bling out on. On a, on a market in China. Yeah, I don't know a whole lot past that. Yeah.
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Did you get it?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it tough?
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You got it. No, no.
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I mean, from a cardiovascular standpoint. And this is what a lot of people are experiencing now, you know? Yeah. The effects of long Covid. I talked to a lot of Functional medicine doctors, and they went from treating Covid to treating long Covid and vaccination injuries as the primary patient base. And almost all of it is just cardiovascular damage from the spike protein.
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So what. So what's your thought then? Was the vaccine for Covid? Was the cure worse than the disease?
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Potentially, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't think it was as much of an issue with the adjuvants, you know? You know, some people are concerned about aluminum, some of them. Some had that, some didn't, as much as the expression of the spike protein to an even greater extent with even more tissue penetration than you'd get with COVID itself. Yeah. So basically, there's. There's people still just walking around with spike protein damage, continuing cardiovascular complications. I mean, there's. There's now people literally going to places like Tijuana, Mexico, to do full blood filtration protocols just to pull it out of the system.
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Yeah.
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And there's very. It's kind of like microplastics. Right. There's certain things that accumulate in the body that are very difficult to get rid of. Spike proteins and microplastics would be two of those. And now, you know, in an era of modern medicine, about the only way to really, truly do it is blood filtration.
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Really.
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So. So, like, there's a place in Vienna, it's called an HO treatment. You go there, you. You undergo hyperthermia, where they heat up the body, and then you have a catheter. In this case, it's ephemeral, and they pull the blood out, and they're able to pull a lot more blood out because. Because you're vasodilated, because you're out. And they can filter a huge amount of blood. And. And so people with lime mold, mycotoxins, microplastics, long Covid, they respond really well to a treatment like that. But that's like tens of thousands of dollars to go and sit in a bed for three days and get all your blood filtered. There's no one down in Tijuana. And I did this not because I had long Covid issues, but I had several clients who wanted to go down there and do it. And out of curiosity, I wanted to see what it actually feels like to get all of your blood, like an oil change for the body. For me, at 42 years old, and. And you literally, like, you go into a hospital in Tijuana connected to a hotel. It's actually super nice. I didn't realize Tijuana has become like.
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A. Oh, yeah, like it looks like trees.
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Tourism. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of. People are going to Turkey, people are going to Tijuana, and you lay in a hospital bed and the blood comes out, it passes through what would be very similar to like a dialysis filter for. Yeah. You'd use for a kidney issue. And the way that they build these filters now, in this case, this one's called a serif filter. S EE R A PH. It has a medium in it that catches certain things. Like different filters are designed to catch certain things. So in this case, they specifically designed that in 2019 for spike proteins. And so it pulls it out, those attach and then the blood goes back into your body. You're in a hospital bed for about five hours for three days in a row to do this. There's another one called a marker, by.
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The way, and it does that.
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I felt a surge in energy, but I, I'm pretty healthy to start with. And for me it was literally just like immersive journalism.
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Just. Did they do one of the filters for microplastics?
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I didn't do it, but you can do microplastics. The issue with microplastics is if you look at, you measure the molecular size of things in daltons, and the size of a microplastic ranges from anywhere from 100 to 1000 Daltons. A sweat gland can, can filter out something that's about 100 Daltons or smaller. So arguably like one tenth of the microplastics you get exposed to you can sweat out.
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Huh.
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The rest are pretty difficult to get out of the body. And essentially the only way to do it right now is to do a full blood filtration.
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So when people are saying, I see different people on Twitter saying sauna 120 degree or sorry, 200 degrees for 20 minutes. And, and that could re. You don't buy it that it's ridding you of all microplastics.
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I mean, it will, it will detox you. I mean, especially infrared sauna because. Because the photonic light penetration induces a little bit of a deeper sweat, you're not going to get rid of many microplastics. Yeah. Sauna, I mean, I probably very few. Because even though microplastics range in size from the, from the small.in size to the large dalton size, most of the ones you find in coffee cups, plastic bags, like those are the larger size particles.
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Yeah.
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So you aren't getting rid of.
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You're saying they just don't fit the wet gland.
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Yeah. The sweat gland is too small and the particle is too large. So you're just not going to sweat it out.
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Can you excrete them out when you go to the bathroom?
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Well, I mean you could like anything that you would ingest. Some of it is not going to pass through the gut lining. Get like, it's not like every microplastic that you suck down. You know, people say like the coffee cups where they have plastic in them, and then you add hot water to that and you get more plastic and you're drinking plastics. You're not gonna absorb all those plastics into your bloodstream. So some will pass through the gastrointestinal tract and be passed out via stool like a lot of toxins are, but you're still gonna absorb it.
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Do you think I, I've seen, you know, I'm drinking glass.
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My mom hasn't.
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Drinking out of copper. Although this one has a plastic top, so it defeats the purpose. But, but did you at. When I'm at the farm where my mom was on my, one of my farms, I drink out of a copper mug, out of a copper thing. But do you think this is. I've seen some science where I couldn't even believe this. Or like glass bottles had just as much microplastics as plastics.
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Glass doesn't. This does. So basically if they paint the inside of the cap, right. And the glass is getting jarred around and exposed to heat, the cap is what has the micro plastics in it. The question with that is like how much like there was a big controversy like three years ago that Tapo Chico has a batch of microplastics in it. Okay. And if you actually look at the levels, it was like nine parts per trillion. You would have to literally drink like 50 Olympic sized swimming pools full of Capo Chico to exceed the maximum allowable level of microplastics that are high in parts per trillion. But when they released the data, this is like 3 months ago on the issue with the caps, I looked at what they found. It was way high. It was at a level high enough to where you should be concerned in terms of looking into which bottles actually were tablet to buy microplastics. Yeah, I mean generally what it comes down to this is kind of like the case with a lot of stuff in nutrition. It's just like the closer you can get to nature, the better. There's like drinking out of plastic is like the lowest level or maybe drinking municipal water supply. And then you've got drinking out of bottles, but they're glass, but they're still store bought. And the Cap's still painted. And then there's like get a whole house or a countertop water filtration system and just drink out of glasses or stainless steel or.
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Yeah.
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Copper or whatever. I mean, the closer you can get to that, the better.
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But do the, do the filters. You buy filter because pipes in homes and sometimes in government, you know, municipal goes through plastic. I remember I built houses, I was instruction burrs. Yeah. So do you think, do these filters, do they have filters good enough? You can filter out the microplastic with a household filter.
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If you've got piping in your home that, that is not going to corrode, like corrosion resistant piping, which a lot of modern homes have.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's. It's not going to be an issue. Like, like what I did at my home, which I just finished in January. And the reason that's important is I did, I did the latest stuff for air, for light, for electricity and for water.
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This is a home you built.
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This is a home I just finished. I want it to be like its own little bioact blue zone. So for the water, I used a 14 stage reverse osmosis and then it passes through. Because reverse osmosis will take the good stuff and the bad stuff. Yeah. So then you've got like water that's super clean but very low in minerals, and then it passes through a remineralization unit and then it passes through an oxygenator. So every glass of water that you pour and everything that comes out of the tap that you shower in or bathe in has 40 ppm oxygen in it.
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Okay.
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So you're getting a little bit extra oxygen. And then it has a structuring unit which also kind of enhances the hydrogen oxygen bonding in the water. So that, that's like a super tricked out water system. But generally, if you just want to cover your bases, just a basic reverse osmosis or a double carbon block filtration will do it. And there's good countertop system.
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Now on the farm we have our own raw milk.
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Yeah.
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So from grass fed.
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Yeah.
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We got, so we, we have goats. You got goat? Yeah, goats are down here.
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So with the, with the water remineralization, it's basically like a salt, you know, that's next to the water filter that, that remineralizes it, but it's not, it's not Himalayan salt. I don't know what kind of that medium that they use, but I mean, salt. Have you seen that book, the Salt Fix by James D. Nicolantonio? The great book. Because it busts a lot of these myths about how salt is acidic and raises blood pressure. I mean, salt is actually very good for you. Paradoxically, like a good salt that's not just isolated sodium chloride like you'd find in table salt, but that's rich in like 70 plus different minerals that actually has blood pressure stabilizing effects. It helps to mineralize the body, helps to stave off, you know, osteopenia and osteoporosis. So, like, if you're, if you're doing a good amount of water filtration, you can do the remineralization, but you can also just, like, salt your food, regularly add electrolytes and trace minerals to your water, and, and you can find good salts. I mean, like with, with a lot of ocean salts, kind of back to the microplastic. Yeah. Like, you need to be careful with fish. You need to be careful with salt that's harvested from the ocean. It's just an go north.
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There's one of like red Icelandic stuff.
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Yeah.
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Furthest away from civilization.
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Yeah. Like, I went to the grocery store yesterday and I bought salt because I was at an event last night and I like, I like to salt my own food.
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Yeah.
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And I bought salt that I know is clean, that's high in minerals, and that hasn't been heavily bleached. And the brand that I've found that tests out well, they got a good lab certificate of analysis. They got low levels of, you know, arsenic, lead, everything like that. And you can find it at most grocery stores is the little blue bag of Celtic salt.
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Yeah, the Celtic. That's what my celtics is good Celtic. They say the Himalayan sea salt has plastic.
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Let me ask you, iron, Isn't it like they say for guys with hemochromatosis or who might store iron more readily that it might cause iron buildup.
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Yeah. So let me ask you this kind of. It's not off topic, but changing the subject. Would you rather live to 80 but eight, you know, whatever you wanted, or you Rather live to 120 or 150?
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Ever eat clean Holds that question. If you live to 80 and eat whatever you want, like the last arguably 20 to 30 years. Right. Of life are going to be kind of shitty. Like, I want to live as healthy as close as possible to the day that I die. Yeah. But it's, it's kind of a tough question because it's like, well, if you do whatever you want and, and the. Whatever you want is highly hedonistic and healthy, like it's going to be Kind of a crappy.
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Well, you see these like 120 year old ladies, they all like, what's your secret? And it's like, vodka.
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Yeah.
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You know, it's funny, when I lived in North Carolina, we used to go help our next door neighbor. She had a little farm. My stepdad on Sundays would say, we got to go help our neighbor. So we'd walk over there. I remember she was probably 98 years old and she had goats. So she milked her own goats, drained the milk. But I remember her telling me, I hate vegetables. I haven't eaten a vegetable in 50 years. And she liked donuts and she smoked. Well, it was hilarious.
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I don't know about the donuts thing, but the smoking, the alcohol, like, if, if you look at life in general, from the time that we are born, we're having to fight entropy. Yes. And chaos, and figure out ways to introduce some type of discomfort into our lives that induces some form of stress resilience. So, you know, we, we subject the, the, you know, axial angle of our bones to a load so that we don't develop osteoporosis or bone mineral density issues. And we lift weights to, to gain strength. And you know, we walk or run or bike to maintain cardiovascular fitness. But if you look at a lot of the things that we do that are uncomfortable that, that induce that resilience, many of them are poisonous. They're toxins. Right. Well, I mean, even exercise, your muscles look like World War II after you exercise. And you know, technically exercise is poisonous. You know, the same thing for like the sauna, you develop electrical, you know, cardio abnormalities if you spent too long of a time in the sauna, you'd get, you know, sympathetic nervous system overload if you were to spend too long in a cold bath. But like small doses of those is so called hormetic agents would actually induce cellular resilience. Your body has to learn how to create its own antioxidant, how to mount its own cellular defense mechanisms, how to ramp up the immune system to be able to, you know, defend against the cold bath and the weight and the heat in the future. And if you look at concepts called xenohormesis, X, E, N, O, hormesis, that's the idea that plants have natural defense mechanisms.
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Yeah.
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Like they don't have teeth and claws and antlers and, you know, horns and nails. So plants have developed compounds like, you know, gluten and lectins and phytates and oxalates and all these things that, you know, in, in Some myopic corners of the health industry, we're told not to eat, but in fact, in small doses, what these poisons do is they induce your body to create its own defense mechanism, churn up antioxidants. So what I'm getting at is when you look at like the 120 year old, you know, grandma who's not biohacking and maybe not even, not even getting her xenohormesis through vegetables.
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Yeah.
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But is say like having a little bit of gin or, you know, red wine on regular alcohol is a hormetic agent. I think you can make an argument that small doses of alcohol, because of how they trigger endogenous antioxidant production could be better from a cellular resilience standpoint than not drinking any alcohol at all. If that's one of the primary.
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That's why the old people. You go to Mexico, I always tell people, healthiest drink is tequila. Good tequila, high quality tequila. It has probiotic effects. I did a video. It was my most viral video of last year. It was, it was, I said the healthiest drink.
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Mezcal. Because of the agave.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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I said, the healthiest drink is tequila. And people were like, it's water. And I'm like, when I say drink, I mean, I mean, yeah, if you drink a teeny bit, what I do, I tell guys, here's the best thing on a business thing you want to drink. I live part time in Sweden, Denmark, you have to drink there a little bit. I go to the bartender, I go, what's the most expensive thing you have? It's not always correlated, but a lot of times it's better not, not like the, you know, not the junkie tequila, let's say it cost 50 bucks. I say, give me one big ice cube, fill it, just one single shot, and I sit that thing over four hours. And I can tell if I drink alcohol like regular person. When I go to the gym the next day, I'm literally half as strong. So I can tell it's negative. And I try it with the whoop.
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Probably doesn't happen when you're microdosing those aromatic agents.
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Nothing.
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My salutants are the same.
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My gym's the same for wine.
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Like, like, if I go to, let's say like a steakhouse, you can order a big California cab. And it's got like, you know, 70 plus different herbicides and pesticides in it and sulfates. And it's often grown in a very hydrated climate, so the sugar is in higher concentrations and the Antioxidants are lower concentrations. But if you look at the menu, there's three countries that generally still use old world organic biodynamic farming methods, even if they haven't paid for or featured the certified organic label, which often means crap because you don't know what the farm next to the farm with certified organic is spraying with. It's getting on the organic crops. But the three countries are France, New Zealand and Italy. Okay, I'm going to order wine. So if you're going to get wine, you're going to those. You're going to get a cocktail just like you. I usually look for Mezcal and something that's very bitters forward. Like if there's something like Mezcal with some kind of English walnut bitters and some lime or lemon and club soda, like, that's a pretty good drink. You could make a case that that could be healthier for you than not drinking at all.
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Yeah, yeah. It's like the old school is like everything in moderation. Jesus turned water to wine.
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Yeah, he did. He did not. He did not turn it into the Concord grape juice found in the Eucharist in modern evangelical churches.
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It's funny, like old, old school school, like religion. If you go back to Christianity, they were serving alcohol at the drink. Martin Luther, founder of Protestantism, was a big drinker. You know, they didn't have water back then, so. Yeah. So when you're looking at the wine menu, your eyes are going first to wines from France, Italy, New Zealand. Where do you stay away from?
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Yeah, all the other countries, especially the U.S. yeah. So us. Us is one of the worst. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, at home I, I have a, like a wine subscription. There's a company called Dry Farm Wines and I just select European varietals that is called Dry Farm because they're grown in a dry climate, so you get less water.
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So you're saying in drier climates. Yeah, you get a better quality wine.
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Kind of similar to what I was talking about when it comes to human beings producing more of their own antioxidants in response to mild amounts of stress. A lot of biological organisms do the same thing, including grapes. You had to object grapes to stress, including lack of hydration, and they develop more antioxidants, which also means they're lower in sugar. So you get just like a higher antioxidant, lower sugar wine. Yeah. Typically if it's from some of these European farms, you also have the organic component.
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Yeah, yeah. And those three places I. France has is one of the most fertile places. And New Zealand. I worked on farms. They're very fertile and kind of untouched by.
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Yeah.
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You know one cool thing about New Zealand, New Zealand has nothing that can hurt you. No spiders, no snakes.
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Really?
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No predators. No. No rats. No. It's the only place they have big sheep farms.
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I work microplastics.
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Yeah. New Zealand has more sheep than people. So there's not. Sheep aren't drinking bottled water, so there's less plastic. No nuclear allowed. That's why all the elite are buying their bunkers in New Zealand. But my mom says during the COVID pandemic, New Zealand was one of the worst, most authoritarian lockdown places. So my, my mom, who is well versed in every theory, she says New Zealand should be the best place to go.
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But it might be similar. Yeah, but New Zealand, you also get a lot of. Even the US like when you get like these grass fed, grass finish, you know, beef, you know, boxes. A lot of them are sourced from New Zealand.
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Oh yeah, for sure. I worked on a beef farm there. And you know, interesting. They use bulls in America. Almost all the beef you eat is from a castrated.
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Yeah.
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Males called a cedar. In New Zealand they keep the. They keep them all bulls. So it's crazy. You go on these farms, the reason you castrate them is because bulls get violent. And I was working on a farm like 2,000 bulls. They're killing each other every day, but they grow faster. And theoretically they're. They're how they're.
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Speaking of. You seen a Piedmontese?
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Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah.
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Piedmont, like massive gas. They have the. Or an element very similar to. To the myostatin knockout gene. Yeah. So basically slightly uninhibited muscle growth. And I learned this because I actually just recently got a whole cow and I got a Ped Montes for this Remka bodybuilder case. They have sweat plants like. So they originated in the Middle east and then eventually they wound up. A few of them wound up in Canada. And long story short is I live up in North Idaho right now, but across the border in Spokane, Washington is one of the only hundred percent Piedmontese beef farm because some of these Canadian Piedmontese cows wound up getting bought by. By a rancher in Spokane who's raising horses. And I switched to raising Piedmontese beef. So anyways, because they came all the way from the Middle east, they're able to survive in very hot climates with lower levels of stress. And of course, like if you ask a hunter, one of the ways to ruin the meat of an animal is for that animal to know it's being hunted, have a bad shot where it's got runny. Yeah. Cortisol. Cortisol causes calcium influx. It's rigor mortis type of condition. And you get tough meat. Well, one of the other major stressors to an animal is environmental stress can cause a similar issue. So if you've got cows that have sweat glands, then you technically have a more tender cut of beef because they've got lower levels of cortisol and lower calcium in the beef. So these Piedmontese cows are huge. They have sweat glands and. And then their unique genetics are such that they're extremely low in fat and super high in protein. Like, the protein per calorie of these cows is through the roof. So when we had our steer butchered, for example, I asked for the tallow and. And the farmer was like, dude, there is no tallow on this. Yeah, less pure protein. But the, the fiber, the muscle fiber is 116 the diameter of what you get in like a normal, say, like an Angus. Okay. So that means that when you cook it, it cooks so fast that for, let's say like a medium rare rib eye, you'd pull it like 95 degrees. It just cooks super fast. It's the most interesting beef I've ever worked with. It's a. It's really, really cool variety, though, if you want a high protein.
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Yeah. And you bring up like, I raise, I got cattle on my farm. That's why Joel Salching always tell me, the healthiest beef is one that you. That's butchered and processed right. On your farm. Where there's no stress.
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Right.
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Process of putting on a truck, doesn't know it's coming. Oh, and when you take an animal to a big butterhouse, they can smell the blood. They go crazy. What really goes crazy is horses and pigs too. So that's why going back, like you said, go back to nature.
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When people use.
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Joel Salatin says, you know, it's a tragedy. Now, I was just. He was at my family. I do a family reunion once a year, and he's kind of like family. So I invited him to the farm and he was saying it's a tragedy in America that, you know, if a neighbor butchers the old fashioned way an animal and tries to sell it to somebody two doors down as a federal crime, you get. You get more in trouble for that, which is healthier than you do. If you commit a crime, you rob. Now, in California, for less than 1000 bucks, nothing happens. So America is topsy turvy on this because really the healthiest meat and the healthiest food you can get is from your neighbors.
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Local. Yeah. You know what's interesting is like if you look at, at a human cell, you know back to like the cortisol calcium thing. We have calcium channels in our cells, voltage gated calcium channels. And you hear now about people having electro hypersensitivity or not doing as well when they're in areas of high amounts of electrical pollution. Emf, WI fi routers, cell phones on all the time. Whatever. One of the theories about why that causes like this low level tension and sympathetic nervous system fight or flight driving people is because those calcium channels open up, you get a calcium influx into the cell. The same type of condition we were just talking about that makes like less flavorful, less enjoyable meat happens to the meat of the human body when we're around high amounts of electromagnetic stress. And that, that's also why like a lot of the recommendations for dealing with that, you know, because you're not going to like move to pristine Himalayan mountaintop or go live with the Amish like you did try to. Yeah.
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I tell people you make your first million, buy a little piece of land, some random kids.
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Yeah. Is magnesium because magnesium. So magnesium help set the influx of calcium into the cells.
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Huh.
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I don't. That's something I travel with is like high amounts of magnesium.
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Yeah. You got me on that cream. I put it on every night. That it's like a magnet transdermal. Yeah.
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That's good.
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I did my. I do my blood test in my neck because of you. My magnesium's like at optimal and most people it's as simple as getting a really high quality cream.
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Yeah.
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Putting it on. I put it on my back or, or up here in my adrenals. And now I test my blood a lot. I've kind of been under. You're not a medical doctor, but I've kind of been under your advice for almost a decade. And I want to thank you because a lot of your stuff has been a game changer. I bought an EMF meter. I was man, you don't want to scare yourself. I'll tell you what. Scare you. I went to my laptop. Okay. Because people put laptops on their lap. Don't ever do that.
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Yeah.
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It was at.
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What you should say is people put laptops on their gonads.
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A
Yeah.
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On your gonads.
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That's basically your walls.
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Yeah.
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It went to 2 million on this meter. Then I was on my farm, I was like maybe 2 million is normal. So I walk out, I go in the middle of a hayfield. This is the middle of an Amish community. There's no emfs. It goes to zero.
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Yeah.
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And I was thinking, what is the effect of 2 million? A microwave was only like 700,000 wonder or the effect. Yeah.
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They've actually shown like, like the sperm mutation studies where you get, you get sperm motility issues. I'm sure there's ovarian issues in women as well. I have one of those. You can get them on Amazon. It's like an anti radiation pad.
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So do you put that cloth.
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Yeah, you put it between the laptop and your body when you use the laptop. But that was one of the things in addition to the water that we really tricked out at the house I just finished in Idaho is all of the electrical is in metal conduits. The whole house is wired with Cat 8 metal shielded ethernet cable. So every single room has four different ethernet ports. You don't have to use wire, just plug in, plug in. And then we went through everything with an EMF meter and it was shocking. Like there's some companies, because this is becoming an issue that manufacturers are aware of this some people are concerned about, especially in the biohacking sector, let's say like a aero filtration device or like a, you know, sleep enhancing device that you plug in next to the bed. We'd measure those and some of them actually do have, as they advertise, low EMF until you get to the cable and the cable isn't shielded. So, so we, we actually found a company, it's called Shielded Healing, that has shielded cables. So we even replaced all the cables for everything. We plugged stuff into, you know.
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Yeah.
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Clocks and filters and lamps and whatever with shielded cables. So now you walk through the house and every once in a while you'll go past something that gives a little bit of a bleep. Like the, the, the wall mounted controllers for the H VAC system, for example, for the, for the ac. But the home is, is relatively low emf. Yeah. And in addition to something like the, say like the magnesium trick to offset the calcium influx into the cells, one of the ways that you can, you can counteract the effects of high EMF is to introduce some form of negative electricity into the body. Because if you, if you look at the cells, like our bodies are basically a battery. You know, books like Jerry Tennant's, you know, Healing is Voltage or you know, Robert Becker has a book called the Body Electric. And these books go into how you know, basically across your cellular membrane, there's an electrochemical balance that dictates for optimal cellular metabolism. There should be a slight negative charge on the interior of the cell and a slight positive charge on the exterior of the cell. If you look at something like calcium, that's a positively charged ion. So when you are introducing a higher amount of positive electricity to the cell, that's where you start to see some of the metabolic dysfunction that occurs if you're living in an electrical soup. Well, you know, you've probably heard of the concept of like earthing. Yeah. Grounding. Yes. And one of the reason that works. Yeah. Is like even, even these shoes, they have like little black thing on the bottom. These shoes are grounded. A company called Earth Runners, they even sell, like little kits. So, so I just went through with a little hammer and it's like what do you call an awl? That electron said to put a hole in your shoe. And then you just put the little grounding plug out through the bottom. If you look at the surface of the planet, every time lightning strikes the surface of the planet or solar radiation bombards planet Earth, it collects negative ions. And your skin, as a conductive material, can absorb those. If you're outside barefoot or like this morning, I'm in Santa Monica, I walked into the beach, I jumped in the ocean, which is very, very high in the earthing and grounding effect because you're combining the conductivity of water with salts. So you're getting even more negative ions if you're on the beach in the ocean. But the idea is that if you can get exposed to the surface of the planet, which a lot of people living indoors or wearing big built up rubber soled shoes aren't doing. Yeah. That's another way that you can counteract some of these facts. Air pollution. Yeah. So in our house, what we did back to kind of like how we wired up the house is we put a copper conductive material underneath the flooring on every single floor of the house. So when I'm in my bedroom on the third floor, it's as though I'm standing on the surface of the planet. So anywhere you go in the house, you're grounded. So now you have bone, mostly a map.
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Biohacking house is probably.
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You pulled out. Oh, that's why it took so long to build. Yeah. Just because every last thing that cost, like through all the builders, it, it was. Well, it was expensive, A, because of all that, and B, because I'm out in the middle of nowhere. Right. Where for a loan the comparables are. Yeah, there's nothing. So. So the amount that I had to put down on the home was also pretty substantial. Still way less expensive than what it cost to build in California. I mean, all, all in there. It was like 10,000 square foot. It's around 4 million. You know, down here. That would have been just like tens of millions to build something like that. Yeah, even like the, like the lighting, it's all circadian friendly.
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Yeah. Let's talk about light. Because sometimes I go in houses and I'm like, it's 11 at night or 10 at night, and there's these lights. I'm like, are you trying to destroy someone's brain? What kind of bulbs should people put, put into their home?
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Not the ones that you and I are under right now for this, for this video.
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A
No, but we're not doing this at night.
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One part of my house that has lights like this is my, my podcasting office. And so a lot of times, if you see me on a podcast, I'm wearing the blue light blockers just so I don't get as much. For me, I'm recording during the day. Yeah, I'm morning or I'm more concerned about the melatonin suppressing effects of the bright light for a video as I am about the imperceptible flicker that you get from the LED or the fluorescent lights, which is one of the reasons people start to get a little brain fog or irritation or even like myopic like conditions towards the end of the day, is because that flicker is just like mildly irritating to the retina. And I mean, if you put your phone, like slow motion video mode, you know, or use one of those old school camcorders, you can see the, the flame. But back to what the healthiest is, it's not LED fluorescent lighting. There is a form of lighting called biological LED or oled. What it does is it lowers the level of flicker, lowers the emf, and then allows you, based on the bulb, to select how much blue light that you want the bulb to produce. Okay, so this is also important because if you look at something like the Philips hue system, which a lot of people will turn to as like circadian friendly lighting. Yes, you can adjust the color and the temperature of the bulb, but they're also still high flicker, high emf, and that's, that's largely because they have the same effect as dimmer switch. Like anytime you have a dimmer switch in a house or next to a light, you're increasing the amount of EMF that's produced. So I found this company. There's two companies I know that do. This one's called Block Blue Light. Another one's called Bon Charge.
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And by the way, we're going to put in the Show Notes Tai Lopez.com Ben Podcast we'll put a lot of these links.
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B
Cool.
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Send this the links. Yeah.
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So anyways, they make a bowl. It's called their full spectrum bulb. So you kind of got two options. You either say, okay, well, I want to be more awake in my kitchen, in my dining room, in my living room. So in those rooms I'm going to have the light bulbs with the higher amounts of blue light and less of the red light. And in the bedroom, I want the full red light bulb. And maybe the master bathroom, I want red light. We instead went with a bulb called the full spectrum bulb. And when you flip on the light switch once, it goes full daytime with ample amounts of blue light. And then you flip off the light switch, flip it on again, then it goes twilight, so it sucks an appreciable amount of blue light out and you have more red light, orange light, like an amber glow. Then you flip it off and flip it on again and it goes full red light. So no blue light at all. So now you know, if I'm having breakfast, I can have it in full blue light mode. And if we're around the table for dinner, then we can have it in evening mode. So you can just basically, based on how many times you turn on and off the light switch, adjust the bulb. The only thing that you miss out on is if you look at the full spectrum of sunlight, you see a lot of the wavelengths in that spectrum that you can actually only get from incandescent.
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Yeah, I mean, that's what mom's gonna do.
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My thing is like in power logs. So what we did in. In the. In the main areas of the home where people are spending a lot of time eating and hanging out and living, you know, dining room, kitchen, family room is we have those full spectrum bowls, but then also incandescent. So it's a mix of both.
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Okay.
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Similar to how you can get an EMF meter, you can get a light meter and so you can walk through your house with a light meter and see what the lighting is like. What's funny is in this fully tricked out home where we pulled out all the stops for circadian lighting, when you walk into these areas that have the incandescent and the full spectrum and use a light meter, it checks out pretty good in terms of looking pretty Close to daylight. And when I had a building biologist over at the house doing this, we then went outside and it was a cloudy day. We went outside and, and measured the light meter outside and it was still like 10 times better than pulling out all the stops indoors. So basically, no matter how much you biohack the interior of a house from a lighting standpoint, you cannot be getting outside, getting outside in the sunlight. Like you still have to go outside.
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So do you agree with my mom that what do you think of sun gazing? You wake up, you stare directly into the sun. Ophthalmologists will say you're going to go blind. Native Americans used to do it. Is there any truth to staring at the sun? Positive effect.
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So I mean, possibly there's some kind of a jumpstarting of the sleep drive that, that, that occurs, but there's not a lot of research behind that. However, if you look at this concept, I think about this as almost like a, a light sandwich. There's this idea that you can build up a solar callus. And a lot of people hear callus and they think, well that's like a tan where you get out, you get a bunch of melanin in the skin. Eventually the skin becomes a little bit tougher and a little bit susceptible to or a little bit less susceptible to the effects of UVA and UVB radiation because it has its protective tanning layer. That's not what the solar callus is. There's a layer of your skin, it's a corneal layer. It's called something like the stratus corneum or the stratum thing is stratus corneum. And when you get morning red light exposure, exposure, that jump starts an anti inflammatory effect in the skin that helps to make you less susceptible to the potential carcinogenic or burning effects of UVA and UVB light later on in the day. And then when you get the red light at night, it doubles up that effect. So it's almost as though our bodies were kind of designed in a way to be outside, but to be outside in such a manner that we're getting red light in the morning, red light at night, and that's sandwiching the full spectrum light that you get during the day. Now that doesn't mean that you have to get up, you know, depending on where you live at, you know, 5:00am and go do the sunrise and then, you know, go outside for, for the sunset in the evening. But now you can use like biohacking technologies, like red light. Like this is what I do in My office, I have two of those stand up red light panels and the one in front is shorter so I can reach around it and be on my laptop doing my morning emails. I walk in, I strip off all my clothes, I stand there buck ass naked sandwiched in between. You do two red lights. There you go. So I got the red light in the morning and then I have a red light bed that I'll use towards the latter part of the day. So if I can't get sun rise and sunset, I'm still sandwiching my day with red light. So there's ways that you can do it without being outside.
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What do you think about people that are go out and they said you need to get your balls, the sun right on your balls, right on your right on the, below the balls, the, the ip, they're butt naked with their legs up in the air. Hit that in the sun. Hit her right in the butt.
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It's like this whole field is called photobiomodulation. It's like how photons of light interact with, with biology to modulate biology in some way. And if you look at your mitochondria, you have proteins called chromophores on your mitochondria that can interact with photons of light. Okay, Particularly photons of light, of red light. So if your cells get exposed to red light, which, which doesn't do as great a job penetrating clothing, but can definitely penetrate skin, you can amp up ATP production. Like for example, one of, one of the supplements that a lot of people are interested in right now is methylene blue. And one of the reasons that methylene blue works is it does actually doesn't work that well unless you get exposed to light. But once your body is exposed to light, methylene blue is attached to one of those chromophores and it increases ATP production because methylene blue absorbs light. Okay, so the theory here back to like the, the testicles getting exposed to, to light is that if you increase the mitochondrial activity of the Leydig cells in the testes, you would theoretically increase testosterone production.
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Okay.
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It's all anecdotal. It's kind of like power lifters, you know, who swear by icing their balls for an increase in testosterone. I think there's something to it, I think it might work, but there's, you know, they haven't done ball red light.
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You know what sucks about, you know what sucks about this though, is that because of the way the medical industry lobby is, there's no money left over for the important experiments like this, like there. American national institutions of health should be testing simple, all natural things. But there's no money in it. So the lobbyists are like, so that's the problem. Now the solution is for private individuals and private companies, biohacking companies. You work in the space with supplements. I've got my 150 body system. Like we spend the money to get this research done because, you know, there's, it's kind of like massage, physical therapy. I, I remember I hurt my arm lifting weights in Scandinavia. I, I lifted like, don't ever do soup like back flies for, for your.
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B
Rhomboids and especially not with 80 pound dumbbells.
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Yeah, I did like 60 pounds. And anyway, I go and two medical doctors, I got two opinions, they said a hundred percent, you have to get surgery. You know, I had essentially kind of like tennis elbow or golfer's elbow. All right, you have to. I went to second one. Oh, you have to. This thing will never heal. Then Danny Hester, who's the oldest man to ever win Mr. Olympia Classic, he's, he was like 45 when he won. He told me I would train with him. He's like, no, he's like, there's this guy Mark, he's a physical therapist. It's going to hurt like hell. So he comes and does crazy. Deep tissue is like a scraper. In 30 days it went away. I've never. That was eight years ago. No side effects, full strength back. But nobody's paying for that kind of research because there's no money in it.
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There's no, I mean, you're just realigning the cross linking and the fascial adhesions and that allows the tissue to repair in a more symmetrical way. And all of a sudden you got the less of the, the mobility or more of the mobility and less of the nociceptors getting triggered, the pain receptors getting triggered because all of a sudden the muscle's moving how it needs to. I had, I had a similar experience with knee arthritis because I raced Ironman for so many years. Then I did professional obstacle course racing. And before that I had a sit in bodybuilding. I put my knees through the wringer. So left knee, if you would have seen this left knee four years ago, visibly swollen on any videos, like knew we get up to the size of a grapefruit. If I go for a long walk, like not a run, just like going out and walking, couldn't play tennis, couldn't play pickleball, couldn't run, couldn't chase my kids around and Three different orthopods told me that it was basically an arthritic condition that needed surgery. This regenerative medicine doctor told me about a protocol which was new then and more doctors are doing now called intraosseous needling, in which you basically, through a minimally invasive procedure, drill tiny holes in the two articulating surfaces of the joint, like let's say the, the femur and the back of the patella. And then you almost like aerating a lawn. You plug those holes up with a stem cell matrix like, like a bone marrow based stem cell matrix and that regrows cartilage. I did that procedure. My knee went from 30% to, I would say it's at about 85% now. Like I can't do heavy back squats. You know, probably couldn't do like an ultra marathon in the mountains, but way better than getting surgery.
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It was pretty quick after.
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And I was at dinner two nights ago with a guy who has a clinic in Santa Monica who is developing a procedure and they're in clinical trials right now. But the precursors to chondrocytes, which are, which are the collagen cells in your joints, those have growth hormone receptors. And they figured out that if you can actually inject the joint with a special type of growth hormone, you can actually cause complete regeneration of cartilage. Cartilage.
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A
Is that like, what do you think of BP? Like BP 157. BPC 157. Do you like peptides?
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B
It's good. I mean it's not going to regrow cartilage more just like an anti inflammatory, I mean body protection compound.157 is a gastric anti inflammatory substance, which is why if you've got. It's one of the few peptides that's bioavailable orally.
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Yes.
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But if you inject it not even like near a joint that's inflamed, but just like subcutaneously, like pinching a little bit of fat around the abs. It, it has system wide effects, like system wide anti inflammatory.
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I had a doctor prescribe it to me. So I take BPC157, TB500. Okay.
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B
I had, I had, they call it the wolverine stack.
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A
Yeah, I had lifted away. So the Amish are strong and you can't always tell. It was like a little Amish guy and they were doing, you know, they do barn raisings. So my neighbor was doing a barn raising. They invited me over, I go over and one, they have different jobs for everybody and they're like we're going to pick up logs. So this small Amish guy, he's probably 150 pound guy, he just picking up logs. So I'm like, oh, I'll go help him. I'm pretty strong. I go pick up this log on the other side. I'm like, what the is this? Like, it must have been 400 pound long. So my pride, I kept picking logs.
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Are not like barbells or like, that's a long, unwieldy.
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Yeah, after the third one I was like, I gotta go do something else. But anyway, I woke up a week later with just pain like you've never, I've never felt in my bicep. And it turned out I thought I had torn rotator. Anyway, did an mri doctor. Like, nothing's torn but massive inflammation of bicep. So I get this BPC157TB500 kind of mix. I inject it in. The next morning I wake up and it's like gone. I go to ChatGPT, I go, is it possible that this works that fast? Or is this placebo? Like, no, sometimes it works. So I asked it, how the hell are more doctors not prescribing these instead of steroids and all this shit that just masks it. And. And chatgpt literally says, because the medical industry doesn't make much money on it.
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Yeah, peptides are like, they're like cheap. They're, they're just like short little strings of amino acids. Like, they're very, very easy to synthesize, which is also like, like, we should issue a word of caution. They're so easy to synthesize that there's like dozens of websites now where you can order peptides sold as for human research only. Yeah, a lot of them are just like contaminated.
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Yeah, use a doctor or I use.
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A roller and you jack like, like, they literally have like, like if, if. If you look at one of the primary causes of sepsis or extreme gut inflammation in people, one of the reasons for that is what we're called lipopolysaccharides. Again, in the bloodstream, they're highly inflammatory and a lot of these little peptide bottles are contaminated with lipopolysaccharides. And you know, for every like nine people at BPC157 helps, there's one person that has a horrible reaction and winds up in a hospital. So you need to be careful where you get the peptides. Most good functional medicine, doctors with access to a compounding pharmacist can, can get you peptides. There's a few companies, there's one one called, that's a new company called Pepsule. Like P E P T U A L. They do patches, nasal sprays, orals and the injectable powders. Now that's where I'm getting peptides. But the, the number of different cells or organs that you can target because these amino acid strains can simply be customized to any different, you know, for something like BPC157 and TB500 to ligaments, the tendons and the soft tissue. But I mean you can do peptides that target growth hormone receptors, you can do peptides that target like brain derived neurotrophic factor or vascular endothelial growth factor for the brain. You can do some that target like fatty liver. I mean Honestly, even the GLP1 agonists, like a lot of people throw them under the butter.
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A
Like Ozempic type stuff.
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B
Yeah, Ozempic.
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You know Denmark, that made them almost the richest super number one company in Europe. Now most valuable is.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Is Novo Nordisk from Ozempic.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And making all their money off Americans. Nobody, everybody in Scandinavia, it's the most fit country in countries in the world.
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B
Getting money off the American.
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A
They're like can't shitty eating your Oreos laws.
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B
But, but the. So, so they're highly effective. Yeah, highly effective in shutting down hunger. And in a, in a typical scenario you'd have a doctor and they would prescribe it to you and you'd go get a preloaded pen with a preloaded dose of a GLP1 agonist. Or the newer fancier ones are doing multiple appetite signaling hormones like glp, Ghrelin, gip. Like the newest one right now is called retatrutide. It's a triple agonist, meaning is targeting like three different factors associated with appetite and hunger. So they're highly effective. But like a typical dose, let's say retatrutide, typical dose of that would be 2.5 milligrams. You hear about people experiencing like depression, lack of enjoyment in life. You know, part of that's probably due to our dopaminergic response to food. Like you suck all the enjoyment out of that and.
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Right.
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Has a bigger impact than you think. But also, you know, muscle loss, gastrointestinal issues, you know, diarrhea, constipation, slows down gastric motility. So it takes like twice as long for anything to move through you. Which makes sense when it comes to the gastric gastrointestinal disturbances. But if you look at the drug itself, you Know, back to the idea of like BBC 157 being able to travel through the body and do a lot of anti inflammatory stuff. GLP agonists have a similar, what's called a pleiotropic effect, like a system wide effect on lipid balancing, on fatty liver disease, on neural inflammation, on blood sugar. Like they're actually a pretty impressive drug. Drug. The problem is in the dosages that are prescribed as standard. It's so high you get so many of these side effects. But if you can work with. Back to fighting a doctor who can get you peptides because retatrutide any of the GLPA is their peptide. If they can give you a smaller dose, which would typically come. Peptides come in just a little bottle of powder and usually add what's called bacteriostatic or sterile water to the powder and then you just inject as much as you want versus a preloaded pen. Once you push that right. And all of it's gone. Like there's, there's a hack on some of the pens. You can like open the top of them, get an insulin syringe and there's like a little rubber stopper. You can pull as much as you want. But not, not a lot of people are going to do that.
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Not a lot.
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Yeah, but the, the like the red a true tide, if you look at like a 250microgram dose, which is 110 of the standard 2 1/2 milligram dose, you can get some really good appetite suppressing effects without a lot of the extreme side effects of a low risk standard dose. Yeah, because it's one thing to hear, you know. Cause I, I used to even think this, you know, you'd hear, well if you're gonna be on a glp, just make sure you eat enough protein and lift weights, bro.
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A
Yeah.
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And you, it's one thing to hear that but. Cause I actually tried it just to see what it felt like. A standard dose. When you sit down in front of like your favorite meal of all time, like whatever, rib eye steak or just like some cacao peanut butter protein smoothie or whatever makes your mouth water and you have zero interest. Not only do you have zero interest, but you're nauseous over that food sitting in front of you and, and, and you can't eat the protein that you know you're supposed to eat because you literally feel like you're gonna throw up. And they're like well okay, so I can at least lift weights because there's some evidence that even if you load a bone or a muscle, even without enough protein and calories, you can still maintain some muscle. But then you go into the gym and you're just flat because you don't have calories. You're hypoglycemic. So it's one thing to hear eat protein and lift weights and another for somebody to be on that dose and realize, dude, I can't do jack squat. Yes, I don't want to eat and when I go to the gym I feel like crap. But if you do like a baby dose of a glp, I think it's a little bit of a life hack because it's like just enough to where like when you have dinner and somebody brings out the plate of cheesecake, you're like, I can take it or leave it. Like, like you, you have pretty good self control around food, but not to the extent to where your favorite foods make you nauseous. So I mean that, that's just one example of the whole peptide world that I think is, is honestly really better living through science. You just have to make sure you get them from a good source. Yeah.
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A
Don't be getting.
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B
I'm a huge stupid.
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A
Don't be getting stuff off website that are random.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Okay, so let's do. So I'm going to do a rapid fire, ideally 30 seconds or less.
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B
I'm sure we're only giving short succincts replies.
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A
Good.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Okay, we'll do a rapid fire. Maybe I'll add five seconds at the end. What's the biggest scam in health food? And by the way, you can think for a second because we'll, we'll chop it to take out all the.
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B
My answer might surprise you because I think the biggest scam going on right now is what? And, and I love the whole idea of make America healthy again and a lot of what they're doing in terms of increasing health awareness. But I think the biggest scam right now is people thinking that the biggest fish to fry are like artificial sweeteners and red food dyes. And problems that rich moms shopping at Whole Foods are mostly concerned about, when in reality, like people should be being told to move more and eat less.
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A
Hmm. That's the answer. Okay. Why is the average man's testosterone like a half of what his grandfather's was?
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B
Multiple reasons. Lack of sunlight exposure, in many cases, lack of protein intake, lack of the building blocks for testosterone, creatine, vitamin D, zinc, magnesium, minerals and omega fatty acids, which just aren't present in a lot of young Men's diet. And then the absence of, of fear and danger and discomfort because it is so easy to be sexually, physically and economically satisfied right now in your basement with AI porn versus being out in the real world doing dangerous things, which also increases testosterone.
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Yeah. Move. And I'm on my farm and it's like whenever I'm on my farm, I have horses I farm with. And I don't get distracted. I'm not looking at my phone. Because you might die if you got four big horses that weigh 2,000 pounds. It's literally better than meditation. It's the one thing that I go into a full Zen, like, focus mode. So we've taken that situational awareness.
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B
Like if you actually take a course from like, like a certified defense instructor, you take a handgun course or anything related to personal protection. Like you learn about situal awareness on the street, in a restaurant, whatever. And once you go through a class like that, and then you walk down the average street or into the average restaurant and see how many people would have no clue for at least a couple minutes if somebody walked in with an AK47. Oh, they just wouldn't even know.
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A
I saw a video of that the other day. A guy walks away 7, 80% of the restaurant just eating. He's walking by him with a gun. They're about to die.
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B
Yeah.
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A
All right, next question. What's a vegetable? We should all skip, I mean, back.
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B
To the idea of hormones, as most vegetables are not as poisonous as a lot of people would think. Look, I'm a little bit of a cop out to this question, but I skip green beans. Not because green beans are unhealthy, but because, and this would surprise a lot of people, if you actually do a true food allergy test, you can find out if your white blood cells produce an immune reaction to certain foods. And although a lot of people are afraid of too many vegetables, there are certain vegetables that from a genetic standpoint, many people have an autoimmune reaction against which causes a spike in blood sugar, spike in cortisol, etc. So I would say if you do a good gold standard food allergy test, you will likely identify a few vegetables or at least one that you don't do so well with. An example of a good food allergy has to be like a Cyrex CMY reaction or Zoomer. Both. Both of those. Are you.
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A
So are you allergic to green bean?
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B
I'm allergic to. Well, I'm not like anaphylactic shock. Yeah, like, like land the airplane. Which green beans. But I have A I have an inflammatory response to green beans.
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A
Yeah. Should we eat modern fruit? Apples, bananas?
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B
Yes. However, there's a condition called small intestine bacterial overgrowth. Okay. And part of it is related to or part of. Part of that cause is what are called fodmap sensitivity. Certain foods fall into the group of fructans, oligosaccharides, monosaccharides and disaccharides. Stone fruits like apples and pears, melons, vegetables like garlic and onions, they all fall into that category. And typically what happens is if you've been on an antibiotic regimen or you've been eating in a super stressed out state for a long period of time, not chewing your food adequately, you tend to see presence of bacteria in the small intestine that shouldn't be there. And the presence of those bacteria causes extreme gas and bloating. When you do something like have a stone fruit like a apple or a peach, for example, you have melons, you have onions, you have garlic. And so in people who had fodmap sensitivities, those fruits would be good ones to avoid. But I would say that especially when it comes to berries. I mean, those are some of the most powerful cancer fighting compounds that you find in nature.
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A
So berries more than apple?
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B
Yeah. I'm a bigger fan of bear for two reasons, what I just mentioned. And also the smaller fruits typically are lower glycemic index, more nutrient density per calorie, and like, if somebody's trying to, to lose weight, I'd rather have them, you know, having a handful of blueberries and four apples a day.
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A
Yeah. So next, is coffee healthy to drink on a regular basis?
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B
Yeah, coffee. Coffee is rich in antioxidants. Good coffee. You know, coffee isn't high in ochratoxin, mold, mycotoxin, some coffee is like, like there are good companies out there that do organic coffee. The thing with coffee though, is I treat it like a sometimes drug because your body, as is the case with many compounds, can become used to the effects of caffeine. They need more and more caffeine to get the same response. So when I am at home, I average one to two cups of coffee per week. I don't drink that much at all when I'm at home. When I travel, when I'm outside of my normal scenario, I'm not taking my afternoon naps, I'm not in the same bed, My sleep score is lower. You know, I'm all over the map doing podcasts, meetups, and, you know, conferences. I'll drink two to three cups of coffee a day. So for me, coffee is healthy, but I also time it and kind of like save my coffee for when I know I'm really going to need it. Okay, So I say sensitive.
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A
Next. Is sugar the number one thing killing Americans?
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B
No, Eating too much food is the number one thing killing Americans from a nutritional standpoint. I used to say that seed oils were like 10 times worse than sugar. And that if you came up to me at the county fair and offered me a stick of cotton candy or a corn dog, I'd take the cotton candy 10 times out of 10. Because you can just go burn off sugar. You can metabolize, you can go for a walk and bench press, whatever. And it is true that, that you can burn sugars really well. And if you're an active person, sugars aren't as much of an issue. They should still be careful with, like eating a high amount of ultra processed foods, high in added sugars. But the seed oil thing, I've stepped back a little bit on that because they've been heavily vilified. And I think it's a little bit of a baby talk going on right now in the new in the nutrition world being like, yes, no, black, white. If, if you look at seed oils, if they're not heated and they're not fried and they're not subjected to a ton of pressure and oxidation, you could make a case that high levels of omega 6 fatty acids and linoleic acids that you find in a lot of seed oils have cardiovascularly protective effects. Okay. So my rule with seed oils now is I just don't want to eat the fried stuff, heated stuff, you know, the cooking at high temperatures with it. But, but like, if you're at the, like some people, like, I'm not gonna eat the whole food cold salad bar anymore. Cause they're using like cold expeller pressed canola oil or whatever. Like, it's not that big of a deal. So basically, whether sugar or seed oils or whatever, the issue is eating too much. Like, I like, even though you develop nutrient deficiencies, if you did this over a long period of time, like if you're burning 2,200 calories a day, you could lose weight and achieve pretty good body composition if you were drinking 2000 calories of coca col cola a day, right? Like, like, so it's not sugar. It's mostly just like caloric excess. It's the major issue.
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A
Okay, so what I want to do now, we're going to show like a, A Title it says, you know, famous Biohacker ranks things 1 to 10. Okay, so I'm gonna just ask you 1 to 10, 10 being the healthiest, one being horrific for you.
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B
Okay.
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A
Okay. How healthy 1 to 10 is a glass of red wine? One a week.
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B
One a week.
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A
Oh, eight. Eight. Okay.
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B
Nuances with what's in the wine, but good wine. 8.
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A
8. How healthy is jogging? 4. 4. How healthy sprinting?
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8.
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How healthy is a modern apple?
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B
5.
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A
How healthy is tequila? Good tequila.
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B
5.
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How healthy is a power nap?
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7.
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7. How healthy are stem cells for healing an injury?
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B
Depends where you get them from. But for that. Nine.
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Nine. So that one's high. Okay. One to ten. Ozempic for somebody that's having a hard time losing weight.
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9.
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Okay. Seed oils that are fried.
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2.
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A
2. Okay. Chipotle. 4. 4. Okay. McDonald's.
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B
Depends what you get. 3.
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3. Okay. Kettlebells.
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8.
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Okay. Yoga.
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B
7.
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Blue blocker glasses before you go to bed at night.
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8.
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How healthy is online porn for a man?
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B
2.
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How 1 to 10, 10's the healthiest. How healthy is scrolling for hours a day on your social media?
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B
3.
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3. For a man losing his hair, how healthy is it getting this prescription stuff that you put on your hair from a doctor?
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B
Depends how precious your hair is to you, but about a four.
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A
Four. Okay.
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B
Maybe a three, depending on which one.
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A
Viagra for a man.
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B
Eight.
- [65:21]
A
Really interesting.
- [65:23]
B
Like tropic longevity enhancing effects. I take a baby dose of tadalafil every day.
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A
Okay. Low dose kind of thing.
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B
Five MIGs.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. One to ten. High cholesterol.
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B
Depends on your genetics. Depends on what you mean by high. But I'm gonna put it on the positive side. 6.
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A
Okay, so it's not as bad as doctors usually say.
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B
Usually Not.
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Carnivore diet. 1 to 10.
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It's tasty. 6.
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A
Vegan diet.
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B
Done correctly. 6.
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Mediterranean diet.
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B
8.
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A
Pescatarian diet.
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B
8.
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A
Pasteurized milk at the regular grocery store. Oh.
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B
3. Still get some protein.
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A
Raw milk from a local farm. 8. 8. Raw goat milk from a local farm.
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B
Slightly smaller protein, more bioavailable. Nine.
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A
Nine. Okay. Zinc supplements for men.
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B
Depends if you're deficient, but I would say for most men these days, it'd be a solid six.
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A
Okay, that's six. A multivitamin. Just the regular ones you get at the store.
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B
Oh, three.
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A
Three.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Okay.
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B
I mean, assuming the store is like, air. One.
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A
No, no, I'm just like, go to CVS and get it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Intermittent fasting.
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B
Overrated. Four.
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A
Overrated. Okay.
- [67:09]
B
I do it every day. But it's overrated. 4.
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A
Cold plunge. Daily ice bath.
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B
I'm biased. 6.
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A
Hot, hot sauna. Infrared.
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B
6.
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A
Getting a lot of sun on your body with no sunscreen in moderation.
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B
7.
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A
Waking up at dawn and going to bed close to sunset.
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B
Seven.
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A
Seven. Okay.
- [67:43]
B
If you can pull that off socially.
- [67:46]
A
Okay. I like that. Keto diet.
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B
5.
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A
A combat sport like Brazilian jiu jitsu for a man.
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B
7.
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A
We haven't gotten a 9 or a 10 yet. I gotta find a niner.
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B
I'm like this if you ask me a movie, like it has to be like the best movie of all time.
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A
They don't.
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B
Or like a book. It has to be like the Bible.
- [68:12]
A
Don't, don't change. Okay.
- [68:14]
B
And then like a ones like swimming with sharks. Smoking a cigarette.
- [68:18]
A
Yeah, yeah. Okay. Nicotine.
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B
5.
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A
So not as bad as everyone says, but not great.
- [68:27]
B
Not a lot of people say nicotine is bad anymore, but it is highly vasoconstrictive. So like a lot of people taking a pre workout preex. Like there's, there's issues with what it does to vasculature.
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A
Vaping.
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B
Oh, two.
- [68:41]
A
Cigars.
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B
Four.
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A
Four. Okay.
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B
Hormesis.
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A
Traveling on an airplane and the jet lag. One to ten. What does that do to your health? Four.
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B
Manageable. But four.
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A
Staying up late at night, two in the morning or beyond.
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B
Depends how much sleep the next morning. But for most people that would be a 4. Back squats.
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A
Regular squats with a, with a barbell.
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B
8.
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A
8. Deadlifts.
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B
8.
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A
Bench press.
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B
5.
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A
Military press.
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B
6.
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A
6. Hmm, interesting. Grip strength exercises.
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B
Depends on which ones. Prob. I'd put it in a six.
- [69:40]
A
Six. Yeah. So back squat and deadlift is about the highest.
- [69:44]
B
Yeah, but I mean like if you kind of deadlift as a grip strength exercise, just like. Oh, it, it depends on the grip strength exercise. If it's like a full body multi joint grip strength exercise, I'd put it in the 8.
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A
CrossFit.
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B
7.
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A
The average pre workout drink sold at a gym or a supplement.
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B
3.
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A
Protein powder. The average protein powder. Not the best, but the average one that people are drinking at the three. A three. Yeah. Getting one gram of protein per pound of body weight.
- [70:19]
B
Seven.
- [70:20]
A
Seven. Can you take less than you think.
- [70:24]
B
You can get away with as little. Like to stave off like total sarcopenia with 0.55 grams per pound. 0.8 is a pretty doable sweet spot for people. Most people would benefit quite a bit from 1 per pound though.
- [70:38]
A
Yeah, for sure. TRT testosterone replacement therapy for the average American man.
- [70:48]
B
Over, over 40. Average American man isn't doing what they need to do before turning to that. But if they were doing everything they needed to do and then turn to that, I'd put it at the seven.
- [70:58]
A
A seven? Yeah. One to ten. Putting the laptop on your lap.
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B
Two.
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A
Two. So pretty bad.
- [71:10]
B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
WI fi in your half.
- [71:14]
B
Only worse than tequila versus three. I'm a big part of it is the, the distance from, from it.
- [71:23]
A
But three, doing deep breathing exercises like a Shaolin monk or like Navy SEAL box breathing, things like that.
- [71:32]
B
Seven.
- [71:33]
A
Seven. I gotta get at one. I gotta find.
- [71:36]
B
So let me ask you. He's looking for a one or question.
- [71:38]
A
I could ask you that. You'll say ten or one.
- [71:42]
B
A question you could ask me would be a ten. Or a one would be your relationship with God and your family would be a 10.
- [71:51]
A
Okay.
- [71:53]
B
And I would say a one would be, it would be kind of similar. It'd be like having no friends or relationships whatsoever.
- [72:09]
A
Okay, so let me ask you this. So having a strong relationship with God.
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B
10.
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A
Having a family, kids, loving relationship.
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B
10.
- [72:22]
A
10 being the modern, isolated, lonely, non social human.
- [72:35]
B
1.
- [72:36]
A
1. So it's interesting as we went through all the most important thing in your opinion. Ten isn't a supplement. It's not a vitamin. It's not even a daily routine. It's just old school. You know, are you connected with something bigger than yourself, God? And are you, do you have that tribe, that family unit? And the worst.
- [72:58]
B
That's because you're venturing into the realm of immortality and, and infinite returns. Right? So that, that's the only real way in my opinion to get to a 10 or 1 or 0 is either doing something that is infinitely good for yourself and humankind, which would be a 10 like relationship with family, God, loving others, loving God. And then something that is infinitely horrific and draining for the human being, psyche, body, mind, soul, everything is basically having no relationship with God and people.
- [73:30]
A
I read a stat that the average man and woman in their 30s now hasn't had sex in. This is like 30 plus percentage of people in America haven't had sex in a year or two with another person. Maybe they're looking at porn. But what's the long term effects on our physical health if we're not doing old school things that everybody's done for the last 10,000 generation. They've had family, kids. I was just looking at a stat in some countries. In Europe the birth rate is 1.2. So you need 2.1 to just replace the mom and dad. And people are so disconnected. They're not even having kids anymore.
- [74:12]
B
I don't know. Some people say semen retention is a. Is a longevity hack.
- [74:16]
A
But a year, you think. Don't you think semen retention, from the standpoint of you.
- [74:20]
B
Yeah.
- [74:21]
A
You don't know a woman that's not the same as you say.
- [74:25]
B
I. I do not think that is healthy.
- [74:26]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the Gracies, like the famous Hickson Gracie before he fought all the Gracies. One of my mentors is, you know, Horion Gracie. He's a red belt in jiu jitsu. He started the ufc. You know, those guys had a lot of discipline around sex. He told me he would never sleep with a woman if she didn't want to have kids or if she was on birth control. And he said, like, he's like, I enjoyed sex, but it wasn't. I didn't let it master me. Right. And it was there for that purpose.
- [74:56]
B
Yeah. The loss of gene energy, life force. The birth control thing is a whole different issue, you know?
- [75:00]
A
Yeah. One to 10.
- [75:01]
B
What, in terms of. Well, I mean, with a birth control, basically, it alters pheromonal signaling such that a woman can be attracted to a male who is more immunocompatible with her. And what you want is less immune compatibility from an evolutionary biology standpoint. So the offspring wind up being.
- [75:23]
A
Right.
- [75:23]
B
Being stronger from an immunity standpoint, for survival of the species. And so it almost, like, creates a scenario in which you're attracted to the wrong mate, which is really bad if you marry them and then you get off the birth control pill and you realize, oh, I'm not pheromonally, like, biologically, I might not be as attracted to this person as I thought. That combined with suppression of a pretty natural activity in. In a female mammal, the menstrual cycle, like, completely shutting that off. There are biological implications to that as well. For sure.
- [75:55]
A
Yeah. I read that if a woman has her first child before age 25, her odds of getting breast cancer basically plummet to almost zero percent.
- [76:03]
B
Yeah.
- [76:04]
A
So it's like one of the first things my mentor, Joel Salatin, told me, like, my first kind of my 67 steps I learned from him was by Mother Nature. Laughs last so mankind has all these things we do. We add birth control, we add chairs that we sit in, we add lights at night, we add highly concentrated sugar in food, and we think we're improving it, but really, Mother Nature laughs last and we end up dying.
- [76:29]
B
Yep.
- [76:30]
A
Kill ourself off.
- [76:31]
B
Yep.
- [76:32]
A
Do you. Do you have Hope for humanity in the AI world and the sedentary world and now the world. Americans are 80% either obese or overweight. Like have you given up hope or do you think there's a.
- [76:45]
B
No, no. I think that in the long run AI is. Is largely beneficial in terms of freeing us up to be able to engage in creative endeavors or adventures that we might not normally have been able to do. I think as long as human beings continue to find things that are purposeful, that we aren't going to fall into despair and unhappiness and lack of being able to find something to do because AI has taken over everything. I think there are guards that are necessary, of course.
- [77:14]
A
Yeah, but are you, are you a prepper? Like you've got your place now in Idaho, your h set up. Do you think people should prepare for preppers?
- [77:22]
B
Some north Idahoans. But I, I think that you should. You. You should to the extent that you can have some amount of self sustainability. Yeah, I generally good rule is three months. So.
- [77:35]
A
Food water generator.
- [77:36]
B
Food water generator. I mean some people would throw like self defense ambulance kind of things like. Yeah, I've got, I've got enough around to last a couple of years. You know, if you look at actual storage food. Yeah, very. Propane tanks, water, guns, ammo, bows. Me and my sons both hunt. Like we, we would be able to get by without any grocery stores or gas stations or you know, apocalyptic scenario for a while.
- [78:02]
A
I'd help any looters thing or things.
- [78:05]
B
Everybody's prepping you out there.
- [78:06]
A
You'd be blown away.
- [78:07]
B
Yeah, don't come to Idaho. Yeah, it sucks up there. So he moved to Idaho.
- [78:11]
A
I asked Chatgpt, I said what's the odds that there's an event for whatever reason that major cities have seven days of rioting, looting, all out panels.
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B
It's gotta be high.
- [78:22]
A
It gives it like 10 to 20% which is pretty crazy. Imagine.
- [78:26]
B
Yeah.
- [78:26]
A
One out of five. One out of five or ten like every year you wake up on January 1st and you flip a, you know, a coin at six or ten side and if it gets a six it's going to be chaos. So people, that's why I tell people you make your first money, buy a little piece of land outside of a big city. Big cities are great to make money, but they're not a good place to raise kids. Kids are going to grow up messed up most likely if they're 100% in a big city. And if, hell, if hell on earth happens, you can be way happier when Covid came. I took my whole family within days and went down to the farm, and there's nothing. I mean, there was food. We had our own animals, we had our own chickens. We had backup for years, like you. And there was no very low chance that people were going to come out and steal, because every person near my farm has an ar. So the worst place to go, I.
- [79:17]
B
Mean, chickens, like, yeah. Part of this is starting so small. I don't know a lot of guys who. I could literally just like, hand a whole frozen chicken from Rosa's to. And they would know what to do with.
- [79:27]
A
Right, right.
- [79:28]
B
You have to. You have to just start with being able to. To, like, put calories in your body that you don't depend on Uber Eats for. Like, that's the level a lot of people need to start.
- [79:37]
A
Right? How to eat, how to use a.
- [79:38]
B
Piece and cook a chicken.
- [79:39]
A
So what. What. What would you have? What would you tell somebody to store? Would it just, like, canned food, whole bunch of canned tuna, whole bunch of canned beans?
- [79:45]
B
Oh, grains, beans, nuts, dried food, buried water, buried propane. You know, most dried foods are gonna do pretty good job.
- [79:55]
A
Yeah.
- [79:56]
B
You know, proteins, you get from nuts, seeds, you got rice, get legumes. So you walk into our pantry, it's a lot of big glass jars of stuff. And then the garage just has more oats and nuts and seeds and grains and.
- [80:07]
A
Yeah. So final question here. Let's say you're going on Elon Musk's Mars expedition. You're going to leave Earth.
- [80:16]
B
How'd you know?
- [80:18]
A
You're going to space tourism. You're not going to come back, and you want to leave a message for your kids, your grandkids, humanity. But you only have. You're, like, walking up the stairs, so you only have, like, under 60 seconds. What's this message of that you would leave with humanity?
- [80:36]
B
Leave a legacy? I mean, I don't know about you, but, like, one of the most impactful moments of my whole life was when I had kids. I realized that that life is way bigger than me. And that true, you know, immortality, if you want to call it that, at least on this planet, is achieved through producing offspring and then training them up in such a way that they become the type of people who can make the world a better place. Right. And if you pour your life into that, I mean, you know, I know not everybody wants kids, but I'm still going to say that one of the best things you can do with your life is to get married, have kids, raise those kids up really well, so they become great people and you leave a legacy behind.
- [81:25]
A
Yeah. Well, good. Ben, where can people find you? What's the best place?
- [81:33]
B
The Internet. BenGreenfieldLife.com is my website. New books called boundless. Boundless book. And yeah, I'm not hard to find.
- [81:45]
A
It's awesome. And I'm going to put on Tai Lopez.com Ben podcast. We'll have the show notes. There's a link to lots of things that he mentioned. So Tai lopez.com Ben podcast. Thanks for being on.
- [81:56]
B
Thanks, man.
- [81:57]
A
Yeah, that was good. Woo. Woo.