From Sports Illustrated to Sephora: How Molly Sims Reinvented Herself in Midlife

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Tamsen Show

Episode: From Sports Illustrated to Sephora – How Molly Sims Reinvented Herself in Midlife

Host: Tamsen Fadal
Guest: Molly Sims
Date: March 4, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, Emmy-winning journalist Tamsen Fadal sits down with Molly Sims—supermodel, actress, author, entrepreneur, and podcaster. The core of their conversation is about reinvention, the resilience required to face life's many pivots, and specifically how Molly has leveraged her experiences—from the height of early-2000s modeling to founding a successful skincare brand, Wise, in midlife. The discussion offers candid insights into career transformation, the realities of aging, motherhood, entrepreneurship, and the power of community among women.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Early Insecurities and Resilience

• "My whole life is just trying to get people to take me seriously. I always have that little girl in me thinking, do they really believe I can do it?"
  (Molly Sims, 02:36)
  Molly shares her longstanding sense of being an outsider, especially in industries that constantly gave her mixed signals. Growing up in Kentucky, attending Vanderbilt, and then entering modeling, she faced cycles of rejection and skepticism.
• Overcoming the “No Culture.”
  Molly’s early career was shaped by constant rejection ("too tall," "too fat," "too skinny," etc.), making her adaptable and always pushing for the "what’s next."
  (04:19–05:16)
• Support from Her Mother.
  Despite early setbacks abroad, her mother was a pillar of strength, encouraging her to persist: “She just kept saying like, just give it one more week.” (10:24–10:41)

2. Breaking Into Modeling and Defining Moments

• The Europe Challenge.
  Molly recounts her early modeling journey in Germany at age 20, dealing with harsh criticism and adversity.
  (08:29)
• Resilience and Growth.
  After difficult beginnings, she built a thriving modeling career across Europe and ultimately graced the cover of French Vogue:
  “I was just never... It was the perfect hair. It was a perfect moment. And I was like, you sure messed up, Boo.”
  (13:23)
• Channeling Lessons into Confidence.
  Her experiences with rejection fostered continual self-reinvention and moving forward.

3. Transitioning to Acting and Hosting

• Career Pivots.
  After modeling, Molly ventured into hosting (MTV's “House of Style” and “Mission Makeover”) and acting—landing a key role in NBC’s "Las Vegas".
  (16:12–17:58)
• Learning on the Job.
  Facing fears (including an intense on-set lesson from actor James Caan), Molly learned to embrace discomfort and vulnerability.
  "He was the best. He was so good. He gave me so many tips. It was literally like I went to acting school every day."
  (21:55)

4. Motherhood and Family—On Her Own Timeline

• Starting Family Later in Life.
  Molly met her husband in her late 30s and had children at 39, 41, and 44. She reflects on societal pressures and her determination to build a family her way.
  (24:18–24:59)
• Mother’s Influence and Legacy.
  Molly’s mother not only reinforced resilience but also modeled reinvention herself—owning multiple businesses and starting modeling after Molly did.

5. Entrepreneurship: Building Wise

• The Pivot to Skincare.
  Fueled by her own skin struggles and a desire to do more than be a brand ambassador, Molly created Wise.
  (27:49–31:41)
• Product Philosophy.
  Wise is aimed at real women—especially those neglected by the skincare industry (women in perimenopause and midlife). Molly drew from her experience, “frankensteining” products that she wished existed, and focused on effective, enjoyable skincare for busy women.
• Naming the Brand.
  “It was after my mom: to be wise, to know something you didn’t know before.”
  (35:54)
• Raising Capital & Scaling Up.
  Molly candidly recounts the steep learning curve (“Put on your big girl pants, let’s go...It was crazy.” (30:13)) and her pride in raising $15 million, now launching all Wise products in Sephora stores.
• Business Realities.
  Open about the challenges—making tough personnel decisions, learning financial literacy (“Do you know what EBITDA is? Now I do.” (44:24–44:38)), and adapting to the retail world.

6. Midlife, Skin, and Perimenopause

• Skincare for Perimenopausal Women.
  The Wise line is intentionally formulated for changing skin as women age, addressing dryness, crepiness, sensitivity, and the need for products that fit busy routines.
  “My woman...she wasn’t being served. We were forgotten. The skincare company for women too busy for skincare.”
  (36:58–37:26)
• Laughing at the Chaos.
  Molly and Tamsen bond over the realities of midlife chaos—hormonal households, juggling motherhood, business, and self-care.

7. Role Models, Community, and Asking for Help

• Importance of Female Community.
  Molly champions the need for a “village”—the support of girlfriends and women mentors as crucial for survival and growth.
  “It does take a village. Invest in your girlfriends because at the end of the day, you will need them in the end.”
  (52:36–52:44)
• Continual Reinvention and Curiosity.
  Never content to stop, Molly details her producing projects, writing, and the value of staying curious and interested outside of oneself.

8. Facing Fear and the “What’s Next?” Question

• Working Through Fear.
  Molly normalizes feeling fear and self-doubt: “Fake it till you make it. I believe in positivity. I know it sounds cheesy, manifest, and I believe in hard work.”
  (41:33–41:51)
• Making Hard Decisions.
  She highlights the necessity of trusting her gut and making tough, sometimes lonely, decisions as founder/CEO.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On reinvention and embracing every chapter:
  "The next chapter doesn't mean you have to become somebody new. It means becoming more of who you already are." —Tamsen (00:00)
• On facing rejection in modeling:
  "I've always just kind of had that little bit of like an outsider feeling. But it has served me." —Molly (03:09)
• “Put on your big girl pants, let’s go.” —Molly, about raising capital for Wise (30:13)
• On career pivots:
  "What’s next? What’s next? Right? You move on. Like, I think as a founder writing books… you move on.” —Molly (15:25–15:35)
• On women’s midlife skin being overlooked:
  "My woman...she wasn’t being served. We were left out.” —Molly (36:58–37:26)
• On teamwork and asking for help:
  "I think the best advice I could give people is that I think most founders don’t listen. You have to listen. You have to surround yourself with an incredible team." —Molly (49:24)

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Important Timestamps

• [02:36] Molly on being taken seriously and imposter feelings
• [08:29] Harsh beginnings in Germany, mother’s support
• [13:23] The “Pretty Woman” big mistake moment in Paris
• [16:12] Career pivot from modeling/hosting to acting (“Las Vegas”)
• [21:55] On being pushed by James Caan on set
• [24:18] Meeting her husband and starting a family at 39–44
• [27:41] Decision to map out a five-year plan; the genesis of Wise
• [30:13] Raising $15 million for Wise
• [35:54] Named the brand “Wise” after her mother
• [36:58–37:29] The forgotten midlife woman in skincare
• [41:33] Dealing with setbacks, the power of positivity
• [44:24] Gaining business skills (“Do you know what EBITDA is?”)
• [45:40] Announcing Wise’s major Sephora expansion
• [49:24] On team building and the importance of listening as a founder
• [52:36] The vital role of female friendships and community

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Episode Tone & Takeaway

This conversation is honest, uplifting, and often humorous—rooted in lived experience and a refusal to sugarcoat either struggle or success. Molly Sims shows that reinvention is not only possible but ongoing, and that small, persistent pivots—guided by resilience, curiosity, mentors, and community—lead to continual growth. The final message is clear: every chapter matters, and women in midlife are ready for, and deserving of, their “what’s next.”

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Recommended for:
Listeners facing change, women navigating midlife or new chapters, anyone interested in honest talk about career, aging, motherhood, and entrepreneurship.

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Transcript

[A]

Today's guest is somebody I wanted on this show for a long time, Molly Sims. She is the queen of pivoting. Supermodel, actress, author, entrepreneur, podcaster. Honestly, there's nothing she hasn't done. Molly came up in the modeling world at the absolute peak of the early 2000s, transitioned into acting, built a family on her own timeline, and then built a skincare brand wise, which, by the way, she just raised $15 million for. Yeah. Yep. What I love about Molly's story is that it's not about starting over with her. It's about taking every single thing you've learned, every chapter, every hard earned lesson, and using it to move forward with more clarity and confidence. So if you are listening right now and asking yourself, okay, now what in life this conversation is for you. Because Molly Sims is living proof. The next chapter doesn't mean you have to become somebody new. It means becoming more of who you already are. Before we get started, I do wanna ask you a quick favor. Please, wherever you're listening right now, if you can leave a quick review and tell me what is bringing you back to the Tamsen show every week. What guests, what conversation, what questions? It really helps not just me, but the entire team who works really hard behind the scenes every single day to make this podcast happen. I thank you so much. Today's podcast is sponsored by Midi Health. So many women tell me the same thing. They finally speak up about brain fog, exhaustion or anxiety and they're brushed off or told it's just stress or age. That kind of dismissal makes you question your own body. Mittie changes that by offering expert insurance covered virtual care that actually understands midlife and treats women like they matter. Ready to feel your best and write your second act script? Visit joinmidi.comtamsen today to book your personalized insurance covered virtual visitors. That's joinmitty.com Tamsen Midi the care women deserve. You know that thing where you get an amazing pair of shoes at a really great price and want to tell everyone about it?

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[A]

Molly, I am so glad you're here.

[B]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

Well, thank you for being here. I'm a huge fan and I'm excited to have this conversation.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

You know, I've read a lot about you, and I always, like, study, and I want to know more and more, but I read this recent quote from you, and I. I want to just jump off of that because I think it. I think it hit home for me, and I feel like it's going to hit home for so many women. So you said recently. My whole life is just trying to get people to take me seriously. I always have that little girl in me thinking, do they really believe I can do it? And we were talking just a little bit before we. We started rolling, and I feel like that. I still feel like that at 55 years old.

[B]

Isn't it weird?

[A]

It's so weird.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And I don't think. I know we're not alone.

[B]

No, I think, Listen, I think when you grow up in an industry of, you know, you don't ever kind of feel that you're supposed to be in it. Yeah, right. You're like, wait, I was supposed to go to college and be a lawyer and, you know, be Alan Jackson's partner. I wanted to do criminal law. But I don't know, I think I've always just kind of had that little bit of like an outsider feeling. Um, but it has served me. Yeah, right. How's it served you? I think, because I was just saying this, you know, I, I come from the no culture. I come from constant. No, you can't do that. Oh, no, you're not going to be able to. To get that part. Oh, you're too fat, you're too skinny, you're too blonde, you're too tall. Whatever it is, there's always something. And because I'm always used to, oh, you're 99.9% confirmed, or, oh, my God, they loved you, but they love someone else more. Right. Like, you never kind of have this feeling of like, okay, I've got it,

[A]

I've arrived, I've arrived.

[B]

So I think that comes from just years of, you know, kind of really overcoming those obstacles on a daily, monthly, yearly basis. Right. I think it also, because of the industry that I started with, with modeling, it always set me up to always have to be like, okay, what's next? Like, I always remember my agents always being like, well, what. What's next?

[A]

You know, those two words, like, they pierce my.

[B]

They pierce you. And then you end up saying it to yourself when you turn 40. But I think the. What's next? It's kind of like, what A lot of women go through when they're in their 40s, in their 50s, they start asking the what's next question. I've just been asked what's next question since I was 20.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

So it's, you know, you're so used

[A]

to hearing it that, you know, you're just. You're accustomed to moving, moving that into anything that you do. Well, first of all, I've never been told I was too tall, so kudos to you for that.

[B]

I was trying to work. I wanted to do the Asian markets, but I was too tall.

[A]

Oh, you were still so. But when I look back and I think about that looking from the outside at you right now, I can't imagine that you were ever feeling like an outsider. So let's go back to where you started. A model, an actor, an entrepreneur, a producer. I don't know how you do everything you're doing.

[B]

I don't know how I do everything I do. But I'm from Murray, Kentucky. From Western. I went to public schools. Yeah, let's talk about that.

[A]

So who are you?

[B]

Murray, Kentucky. Paducah, Kentucky. It's, you know, where Biden visited, where the tornado came in. I'm. I grew up in Mayfield, Murray, Kentucky. I was born in Memphis, Tennessee. I went to Vanderbilt. I went for a couple of years, and then I was supposed to do, like, a London school situation abroad. And I had been on the Hill the summer before, and. And I really thought I wanted to go into, like, political law. And it was the end of that summer. I'm like, I'm never going into political law. I had always kind of gotten told, oh, you're, you know, you're. You're very tall. Have you ever tried it?

[A]

And.

[B]

And I, I did these pictures at the time. They're called test pictures.

[A]

And how old are you now?

[B]

I'm 19. 20.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, wow. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm in my second year at Vanderbilt, but I did it with a photographer named Rick Day. And then those pictures were sent to New York, and my mom and I went, wow. And I signed with Next. And, you know, at first I'm like, okay, this is just. I remember finding a letter and I'm like, it was to Vanderbilt, saying, I've got this unique opportunity. Don't worry, I'll be back next semester.

[A]

Oh, wow, that's amazing.

[B]

And so I ended up staying in New York for the summer. My mom ended up leaving, and then I was supposed to go to Greece. And at the time, you would always go to Europe to Get terror sheets. Cause there's so many more magazines and so many more opportunities. You could do Paris, you could do London, Asia, you could do everywhere. And then I ended up going to Germany, which was a little bit difficult because of the language and it was cold. And so I went from being like a tried out pizza eating sorority sister, like dipping her, you know, fry into a Wendy's frozen yogurt, to a big wake up call to the world of, and the business, as I say, of modeling. I had a very rough start. I, I got there, they, the agency had given me my ticket, they'd forwarded me the money. It was $787 for this one way ticket to Hamburg, Germany.

[A]

At 20 years old.

[B]

At 20 years old. And then when I got there, it was not great. They made me get my jeans out of my car, they measured me, they said I was too fat, I was never going to work. I was about a day and a half into my modeling career and my mom was like, just hold on, just, just hold on.

[A]

Yeah,

[B]

she was so.

[A]

My mom passed away. I'm so sorry.

[B]

She was, she was amazing and she was so.

[A]

Moms never ever, ever leave you.

[B]

She was just really my rock. I just did a post about her the other day and I said

[A]

we

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never knew how old she was until she got sick because she would always lie. But it was so sweet because I would say, you know, she would say to me, don't worry, you've got it. Even when I didn't.

[A]

Didn't that give you your strength?

[B]

It did. And she just hung in there with me and she made me hang in there. And I think it was so, you know, she was so, you know, it's very, you know, not many moms and dad would give up Vanderbilt that they've worked through that. They drove two hours to try to take an ACT prep test and then just to give it up to try to do this crazy thing. I'd been on a plane twice in my life, you know, but she was just such a pivotal part of my career, where I am today, where, you know, where I started.

[A]

And.

[B]

But that time in Germany was really rough on me. And she just kept saying like, just give it one more week. And I'm like, I just don't know. I just don't know if I can do this. And then about three weeks in

[A]

I

[B]

got, I got booked and I was determined to pay back the freaking $787, if you can imagine. But I, yeah, it was rough. It was really rough in the beginning you know, after 20 years of being on this planet, I never knew my nose was crooked, right? A photographer would go, can you just move here? Just move here. And I'm be like, okay. And then he'd like, okay, just move this way. Finally, I. I finally went to him and he's like, you're not symmetrical. I go, what? I was like, what? And yeah. And he's like, look, look in the mirror. He goes, your nose is crooked. Apparently I'd probably broken my nose. I was very sporty kid along the way, but I never knew. But things like that, right? It was. He was amazing. He was like, just, all you gotta do is just go, shift to the left. Shift him.

[A]

And you've never forgotten that.

[B]

You never forget it.

[A]

You never forget, right?

[B]

I've never had great hands, you know, and someone told you that because they're like, okay, you know, you're very veiny, whatever. So always hold them up until you're about to start and go light on your hands, right?

[A]

Imagine no man has ever been said, no man out there listening thinks they

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have a crooked nose or a bad.

[A]

I cannot.

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But my mom was really. She was just really prolific with my dad of just, like, being there. Like, being present when I call. Like talking me off a ledge, like,

[A]

especially if your daughter's calling you one week and, you know, one day in Germany, to have the strength as a parent speaks. Most parents would say, no, you can do that after you finish college. We're not going to do that.

[B]

And she was great about that. She was always like, aunt, let's just. Let's just try it. Like, you know, and it was so. Look, I'm. I'm from the middle of nowhere. Like, I would die when a Vogue or a Harper's or a Mary Claire or a Lucky magazine showed up on my doorstep. I didn't have, you know, I learned how. I finally learned how to dress when I moved to Europe, right? I, you know, French, the undone, done look. Italy, sexy, but fine and whimsical. And, you know, England, very British, very,

[A]

you know, it's another world.

[B]

It's another world.

[A]

But it was a world that you broke into.

[B]

Yeah. And then about three weeks into it, I started working. And then by about six months, I was on fire. And I finally got enough money, I got on my feet and I left. And then I. I moved to London for a couple of years and I moved to Paris.

[A]

I mean, that was the peak and the height of supermodel.

[B]

I was at TM Marcel, which is a beautiful area. I'D gotten off the subway. I was dressed in Martin Sit bone pants. I was dressed in this, like, great shirt, heels. And I was walking. And it was the same agent who I saw now this is four plus years later, and I'm on the COVID of French Vogue. And I'm like. And he was like, hey. And I was like. And I just never. It was the perfect hair. It was a perfect moment. And I was like, you sure messed up, Boo.

[A]

Big mistake.

[B]

Big mistake. I had my Pretty Woman. Big mistake. It was. Yeah.

[A]

Was your mom with you through all those things?

[B]

She was.

[A]

When did you lose your mom?

[B]

Five years ago.

[A]

I'm sorry. I lost mine when I was 20. So I really. That resonates in so many ways. It's always there. It's always there. But she is who you are today and grew you into somebody who doesn't say no and knows how to have the answer to the next.

[B]

Oh, she was fabulous. She was so funny. She owned two companies. She owned a book company, then she turned it into a paper recycling company. You never knew how old she was. She modeled a little bit after I started modeling because I made her. She was stunning. She was so fun. She loved to facelift. I mean, she just loved everything. She was not afraid. She was such a connector.

[A]

I feel like that's who you are. I know that's who you are now.

[B]

I know she was fun, but I think those, you know, if you go back to the original, like, who I am, I think the resilience, the. I think the kind of constant unknown, it always set me up to be able to pivot because I always honestly thought most things wouldn't work. I know that sounds. It's weird to kind of say that, but, like, I got used to being like, oh, you're not going to get it.

[A]

What's next?

[B]

What's next? Right? You move on. Like, I think as a founder writing books. Oh, you might not make the New York Times bestseller. Right. You move on. I did.

[A]

But that served you, though, in a lot of ways.

[B]

But it served me right. Like, we were talking about it at campaign. We did. It's called It Girl. For wise and just the meaning of an it girl is. An it girl is not what you look like. It's the girl who, like, takes that chance. It's the girl smoking, you know, a cigarette underneath the bleachers in high school. Gonna be like, you know, screw it. I'm gonna be, you know, I'm gonna be the lead singer of a band. Like, those are those moments where you Take those chances. Right.

[A]

So this is in your 20s. You did that. You had a stellar, incredible career as a model, acting entrepreneur. Would that be what came next?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I went from modeling to hosting.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I. My time at House of Style and MTV was so fun.

[A]

And then those are the incredible days.

[B]

They were great.

[A]

I mean, those really. That was

[B]

Adam Scher, who was an agent, a very prolific agent at William Morris. I think he runs ITV right now. But he said, if you just do this show outside of House of Style, you'll be on every single day after school. I'm like, there is no way I'm doing this. And it was called Mission Makeover and that it like 52 episodes. And it was the best thing I ever did. I got to be on television. I got to work with women, I got to work with kids. I got to surprise girls to take them to their promotions. It was really fun. And then I went into. And then I took in. I did a two year acting, a Sanford Meisner course. And then I auditioned for a few things. And then they were like, oh, there's this pilot called Las Vegas. It's a reoccurring role. Don't worry, it's never going to go. Everybody in Hollywood always said, it's never going to go, don't worry. And I ended up booking it. And then right before upfronts, they said, it's a series regular. And I was like, there's no way. I cannot live. Meaning you're nine months, 24 episodes. But they're like, it's just gonna go for a year. And I'm like, I'm finally making money. I live in Paris, in New York. Like, I would do a job in Paris, take the Concorde and finish in New York. Like, I can't be in Los Angeles nine months a year.

[A]

You were in Los Angeles how many years?

[B]

That was 22 years later.

[A]

Life takes you in unexpected ways.

[B]

I know. And it went five years.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that is how I became an actress. Crazy, right? Jimmy Khan's teacher you'll ever have.

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[B]

I have so much fear. Even Timmy Khan yelled at me so bad one time, I went. I literally locked myself in my trailer. I cried until he came and apologized.

[A]

He was your acting coach.

[B]

He was my acting coach. I. We were in a two shot. Like, we are. Camera's here, your camera's there. I talk with my hands. I just. It's how I talk. So finally we did the scene, and he looked at me and he goes, if you don't put your fucking hands down in my two shot, in my close up. And I'm like, He's like, we're gonna have an issue. And I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, my God, I'm dying. I am dying. He was the best. He was so good. He gave me so many tips. It was literally like I went to acting school every day.

[A]

That's what it sounds like.

[B]

He's like, do nothing that's on set. Just say the line. Don't do anything. I was like, I don't know how to do that. He goes, you do. And he learned. And he was just. You could play tennis with him. He was amazing. He was so fun. He was hard. He was hard on Josh and I.

[A]

But it seems like all the places that were very hard for you are what you still remember today and what takes you to the next. What's next?

[B]

Yeah, I think the hardest thing was, like, the first scene of the pilot when I was like, straddling Josh Duhamel, and my parents were like, what is happening here? And I'm like, hi, Daddy. That was a little moment I had to explain to them. But besides that. And I think when I went on the View, they were very worried. I think those are the two times in my life, me hosting, co hosting the View and being, you know, in a weird position on a TV show.

[A]

I look at what you've done. I know you went back and did modeling with Sports Illustrated at 50. Is that right? And you really are a role model for women that are coming into this time, very young women even that, you know, are looking at their what's Next, whether they're 30 or 40 or whatever age they are, and seeing you have a whole nother chapter of your life more and more and more.

[B]

I think women, they want to have another chapter or two.

[A]

Or three.

[B]

Or two or three. And I think you can have that. I think it's, you know, a little gut wrenching at times to figure out how to jump, but I think sometimes you just got to jump. You just got to do it. You got to know your why. You got to get ready for the roller coaster. But I do think it's important. I think, look, I'm not an empty nester, but a lot of my friends are starting. Their kids are starting to go away to college, and they're like, what am I gonna do?

[A]

Yeah, it's a big question.

[B]

It's a big question. And some of my friends have handled it very well, and some of my friends haven't.

[A]

How old are your children?

[B]

Oh, Lord, I'm 90. With, like, the youngest children as possible.

[A]

Eight.

[B]

Just turned nine. All right, 10. She's about to turn 11 and 13.

[A]

I feel like I always want to come have a glass of wine with you when I watch your social media.

[B]

My God, that's what I feel like. I watch Tamsen. Just come on over to the Stuber family. It's never not fun.

[A]

Well, you met your husband in your late 30s. Is that right? And started a family in your 40s or in your 30s?

[B]

40s, 39, 41, 44.

[A]

I mean, you did it your way. There's no question about that.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I left it a little late. I remember my mom saying to me one time, because I was, like, 36, and I'd just gotten broken up with so badly, and I was so devastated, and she came to spend time with me, and she's like, don't worry. It's gonna be fine. Like. But then I'm like, do you really believe that I'm like, 36 going on 37?

[A]

You've been saying that for a very long time.

[B]

For a really long time.

[A]

But you know what? She's always been right about that.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Was always right about it.

[B]

Listen, I. It was difficult for me. I was never really a dater. Yeah, I was always, like, a serial monogamist.

[A]

I get it.

[B]

And, you know, I think I had a really hard breakup in my early 30s. And, yeah, I think that was always a little tricky. And I was gone a lot, and it was like, do I do this? Do I do that? I really wanted a family. I wanted one. Regardless of whether I was married or not. I really wanted children. But, yeah, it worked out.

[A]

So if we look at where you are today and I look at the next pivot that I feel like You've done as an entrepreneur, though. I think you've been an entrepreneur your whole life, really, in some ways.

[B]

I mean, I've definitely been a marketer.

[A]

Okay. A marketer is better than an entrepreneur in some ways.

[B]

Listen, I was kind of having a little bit of a crisis. I didn't want to go. I didn't want to go back and live in a trailer. I wanted to take a show or do a movie. But, you know, at the time and still now, there's not a lot shot in either New York. Well, a little bit more in New York, but not in la. You would think it is the home of Hollywood, but I really just didn't want to go live in Atlanta and be in a trailer. I got. I was the Anaconda movie that was so good. It was like, oh, shooting in Australia for four months. Like, there's certain opportunities that I've had to turn down because I. My husband's in the film industry as well, and I. We kind of made this pack of like, we both can't be gone. Right. That was a little tricky because I didn't want to give up acting, per se, but at the same time, I wanted to see them grow up. I did. I still do. That did kind of feed my. I was writing a third book, kind of like an unstuck book of like women kind of getting out of the trenches and climbing back up the mountain. I was kind of halfway, halfway into it. I wanted to be with a specific manager. She has really good clients. Jen Gardner, Hilary Duff, like really women that I look up to, but they do a lot of different things. Her name is Nicole Salaka. Nicole King. She has Lyndon. And I'm with people for 100 years. I've always been my manager for 14. I've been my lawyer for 30 years. And like. But I just. I wanted to go into maybe more brand. And I remember it was during COVID and I'm like, for sure she's gonna take me. And she was like, I think you're great. I think we could do a lot. She was like, I just. I need you to really give me like what you think a five year plan would be.

[A]

I was like, that would make me sweat.

[B]

I did. I came home. I'm like, she wants a five year plan.

[A]

I'm trying to figure out dinner.

[B]

I'm trying to figure out the next day. Well, but it got me super focused.

[A]

Did you do it? Did you wrote out your five year plan?

[B]

I did. With a woman who I literally saw on the soccer field pouring down rain, like, two days later. Kim Kruseberger, who has a company called Pivot Projects, and she had been with Goop for, like, 10 years. And I'm like, nicole wants me to, like, you know, kind of go through my life, figure out, like. And she was like, let me come over. So she sat with me and another woman for two weeks, and we kind of went through my website, my life, what I did, what white space. And that is where Wise came out of. And she was like, is there anything that you see that there's, like, a problem or. And I was like, well, no, we're on the. Like, the end of the last of the two weeks. And I'm like, well, hold on a second. And I brought down, like, 15, maybe 17 products. And I'm like, I've had a really bad time with my skin. She's like, your skin looks great. I go, I know, because I do this. And I stopped kind of going to the dermatologist. I kind of stopped using all the lasers and the really harsh actives. And she's like, what is this? I was like, I don't know. I start with this. I strip with this, and I do this, and I do this. And then I, like, I would strip, hydrate, strip, like, in my own way. And she was like, really? And I go, yeah, there's nothing on the market. I go, everything that's so awesome and fun and cool and great packaging has no efficacy, see, for me whatsoever. And then everything else that's very dur. Very harsh. I don't really know how to use it. And B, I end up looking really red and dry and irritated, and I'm always in that. Like, I need a little downtime. But as a mom and even in the industry, you can't really have downtime. That is how Wise came about.

[A]

So let's talk about Wise, because first of all, the packaging is stellar. The products I can live on, the eye patches.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

My producer's already stolen one of the.

[B]

I heard. Don't worry. I'm going to hook one of the

[A]

new products we're supposed to have out here.

[B]

I'm going to hook you up.

[A]

If you're listening to this, we'll put the links for everything with Wise in the show notes. But I want to. I want to talk about it. How long has it been? Around one. And then you just went out there as a businesswoman and raised $15 million for this business. I mean, that's a whole nother. That's a whole nother ballgame. That's a whole nother learning curve in business, is it not?

[B]

It was. It was. Put on your big girl pants, let's go. Yes, I was. I've had the brand for two and a half years. I started developing it in 2020. We launched in 2023 in April. Crazy. Didn't even think in a million years. But I did want to be a part of something. I'm always the girl at the end of the day, holding up the product. I've worked with incredible companies. I still work with incredible companies. But to come in, get your hair and makeup done, hold up the product, and then leave. Yeah. I don't know. After a while, it kind of. I don't know. I wanted to be a part of something more.

[A]

Did you ever ask, like, why isn't this my product? I mean, you had to asset over the years.

[B]

I'd always say, like, oh, my God, I love this. But what if it did this? You know, and you were always.

[A]

You were always changing it.

[B]

I was the queen of doing. I'm like, what if this ba. This product had a baby with this product? And that is. And being so prolific in the beauty industry. I had really bad cystic acne as a model. I didn't get acne until I was mid to late 20s, which was hormonal. By the time I got that figured out, I was my early 40s. I just had my first baby.

[A]

More hormones.

[B]

More hormones. And I went from being that no makeup model, no makeup, makeup model. Just led with her skin until I wasn't. I had really bad hyperpigmentation. I had really bad melasma. I actually released this picture when I launched of what I really looked like at the time. I looked like I had. I don't even know. It was just. It was really bad. And. But I was a queen of covering it up. But at that time, I mean, I was so happy in my personal life. I'd gotten married. I'd had my first baby, and I never thought in a million years how bad could I look. I was patchy, I was dry. I was trying. So then I just, you know, as you know, you just. You become desperate.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I did pills, I did lasers, I did hydroquinone. I did actives. And I just became on this roller coaster. And it gets worse. And it gets worse. It gets great for a time, sure. But then the moment you go out into the sun, as you know, it all comes back with a vengeance.

[A]

So how did you decide what products that were really important? Because you have the.

[B]

The X pads, the X. Yeah. It's all about exfoliation. So as we age, you have to exfoliate whether you're in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, and as you get older. But exfoliat. Exfoliation has always kind of lately had a bad name. It's coming back, right? I think everyone, you know, really took it a little too strong when they did the years of microdermabrasion. You know, let's just sand, pull it all off. Let's just pull it all off. And those women, as you know now, sadly, can't even keep makeup on their skin because they've burned the layers off. You've always had this, like, do nothing or do everything. Like, more does not mean so. The pads were based on a very famous product that I loved called Biologic Recherche P50, 1970 great company, Villa Chic Recherche. This product is. No, the toner is no longer on the market. It should not be on the market because it was a very harsh product. They pulled it. But I took the best things about that product, and then I added all the things that I felt like I needed when I was using that product. So, yes, it's got your glycolics, it's got your salicylic, it's got your ahas and phas, but it's also got your ectoin. Ectoin is a hydrator that cushions. You've got your beta gluconolactone. You've got all the things that while you're stripping, you don't want to feel dry. After you don't want to be dry,

[A]

you don't want your skin.

[B]

Do not squeak, especially as you age. And that is why these pads, they're called your favorite X pads. They got allure Best in beauty a few months ago. And they're amazing. You can use them every day. Face, neck, deck, back of hands. And they are my secret to being even. The texture, sunspots, fine lines and wrinkles. You just exfoliate daily, every day.

[A]

Now you have that. And you have a new product, too, right?

[B]

A new product. I have the Wide Awake shade extensions. Yeah. I mean, it's people. I asked what they wanted me to develop. They were like an eye cream. But then I say to women, well, do you wear your eye cream? I don't. So we developed one that you wear. It's. It's like a blurring concealer as an eye cream. And now, after having a little bit more money and a little bit more time, we only had one shade, which was called Honey shade three. And now we have shade one, which is like a pinky highlighter. And it's great for fine lines and wrinkles. So it's. It targets the 10 signs of aging. So dark circles, wrinkles, lines, hydration.

[A]

I'm familiar with all of those.

[B]

Familiar with me, too. So as we know, we get a little cakey, a little dry. And now we have four shades, which is incredible.

[A]

When you went into these rooms to raise money, I mean, first of all, I can hear your passion with, you know, with, with the line and what you have, but you called it wise. Why did you decide to name the product Wise?

[B]

It was after my mom, to be wise to know something you didn't know before. She was like I said, she was always telling you something. She was. You were always, you was. You were always learning from her. And I think, you know, at the same time, to get people to take me seriously, we started a podcast called Lipstick on the Rim.

[A]

Yes, I know. Very.

[B]

And the main reason we, we started it is because my producer and co host, Emma Sha Gormley and I were like, I wonder if we could just like, tell the truth about what people do and how we do it, because a lot of people were just gatekeeping and they would just not tell you the truth. So that is Lipstick on the Rim. It's beauty and wellness and fashion at your best. A very honest conversation. You have to come on. I would love it. But that is that gatekeeping. That not, you know, and then to be wise, to know something more than you did before and to be a wise woman, you gotta have a village.

[A]

You have to have a village and you. And you have to know who you are or becoming or want to become, I think.

[B]

And my woman, you know, she wasn't being served. Yeah, you know, you had all the young, you know, Gen Z fun, and then you had, you know, really cool, fun products. And then you had derm. You never. You didn't have the woman who. She kind of got forgotten. Okay, she had kids. Now what happens? She's got sunspots. She's starting to see her age. Like we were, my girl, we were left out. We were left out.

[A]

We're like that forgotten middle.

[B]

There's no we were forgotten the middle. And also my woman is busy. We're the skincare company for women. Too busy. Too busy for skincare. I'm going to tell you what to do, when to do it and how to do it. All the products that you use do more than one thing. Like a woman. We can do a Lot of things at one time. And the experience. Like, I don't want something that smells like a hot dog. I don't want something that is sticky. And you, you feel it. I, I want to be able to wear my skincare under makeup. Yeah.

[A]

I sit in a chair, I keep it on there. If it's sticky anymore. I used to be like, okay, this must be working.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Go to bed and it'd be all over the place.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

It was disgusting. I wasn't even being honest with myself.

[B]

My eye patch is why everybody, why the overachiever brightening eye masks are so successful is because they stay on.

[A]

Yeah. They don't go down to your cheek.

[B]

They don't go down to your cheek or your boobs. They don't like, listen down.

[A]

Well, let me ask you something. I heard you talking about perimenopause on social media.

[B]

Fun topic.

[A]

It is a fun topic. I talk quite a bit about it. But your, your skin really changes during that time. And nobody tells you. No one told you that part because they were like, well, if you can get through the not being able to sleep and weight gain and hot flashes and brain fog. But there's some real important parts of it that we leave out.

[B]

Why my skin care is for perimenopausal women.

[A]

Ye. Yeah.

[B]

Women who start one day to be dry. They wake up and their eyes are a little like crepier. Their neck is a little more like people.

[A]

And they want solutions. And those solutions are not out there for them.

[B]

And if they are, they're not fun.

[A]

Well, I like how you make it fun.

[B]

You got to make it fun.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, I mean, I think fake it till you make it. There's a real, you know, fake it till you make it and then keep trying to make it, you know, you, I, I believe in positivity. I know it sounds cheesy and dorky, manifest.

[A]

I don't think it does.

[B]

I believe in hard work. You know, I don't think I, you know, between losing our house for five months with the fires, you know, starting a company, doing the raise, like I had to dig deep. Like I think. But positivity, it's a big thing on

[A]

the days you feel like it's all like ugh Nothing's working. This email that I don't know what to do here. What do you do?

[B]

I drink. No, I'm just saying I do.

[A]

It's good. It's okay. But people come on here and they're like, I don't drink. I drink a lot of water.

[B]

I'm like, oh, no, Some cocktails I'll do. I've been dang.

[A]

I shouldn't have just offered you coffee.

[B]

Don't worry. No, honestly, I have a really good group of friends. And Michelle being. And Michelle bring my two, like, kind of go to. Maybe, you know, I'll talk it out. My husband is amazing.

[A]

It's great.

[B]

Look, I've had to make some really hard decisions with Wise. I was saying, I thought, oh, I'm gonna start with these people and end with this amazing team. And that's just not how it is because your needs change. We were never into retail, so I had to make big changes within the company. We have a great culture. Those are scary decisions, but they're scary decisions. They're scary decisions. But the one thing that my mom and my dad have always said about me, I have an incredible gut. And my gut starts going, there is no. As much as I want to go against it, I know it sounds crazy. On New Year's Eve, I had to make a decision. I'm being sued over a trademark, and it's fun times. I had to make a decision that was very difficult on that moment. And everyone was like, no, we can do it. And I said, no, we can't. We need more time. And, I mean, you would have thought I burned down the house. There was no. This is just one moment of like, no, this is what we're doing. I'm not gonna set myself up to not do right if I end up settling. Those moments, those are big. They're hard. They're not easy. I think the best thing I've done, I got a really good fractional. He's not my fool yet. But one day, I got an incredible cfo. A fractional cfo.

[A]

Did it make all the difference?

[B]

You have no idea. Do you know what EBITDA is? And I'm like, now I do.

[A]

My husband said that to me. I'm like, I don't even know. What is that, an acronym? I don't know what that. But I don't think a lot of us were taught that. I mean, I. I hate saying that. It sounds ridiculous.

[B]

This is how ridiculous. I said, I've gone to op school. I've gone to business school. I've gone to marketing school. I've gone to social. I've gone hr. I think I thought being sold out was a really good thing. Just means you have bad ops. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Your demand planning wasn't on cue, but

[A]

you have a master's degree now, a PhD now in understanding business and marketing. And now retail. Correct.

[B]

Retail's hard.

[A]

Retail's hard. But it's an exciting time.

[B]

I was getting dressed, and I was trying to figure out my outfits yesterday, and I was just coming off the globes, and I had done a leadership meeting for an hour and a half, and I was in my closet. I'm like, oh, my God, Sephora's calling. I've got to answer it. And literally, like, I'm asking Cindy. I'm like, okay, do I. What do you think about this? Do you think I should do this? What do you think about this? She was like, holy shit, your eye cream is number two. I was like, what? I'm standing there half naked, like, trying. Like, they have been amazing. But retail, it's a beast.

[A]

Yeah, but you're doing it. What's next?

[B]

We're going into all stores in Sephora.

[A]

All stores in Sephora. Oh, my gosh.

[B]

We have a. We've had a big launch with Wide Awake. It's been incredible. We were up. We were up 361% over what they thought we were going to do.

[A]

People need you, and they need your products.

[B]

The products are good. Yeah. You know when I think you're good, Mom, I think the best thing I did. Look, it was the hardest thing when I launched. I launched behind five other incredible celebrity women. I don't think anyone needed another celebrity skincare, makeup cosmetics company, but it's really not. I mean, we do clinicals on everything. I am like a guinea pig. I give myself, like, dermatitis because I try so hard. I try so many different things.

[A]

I'd like to donate my face to any of those trials, by the way. I will.

[B]

I will donate your face.

[A]

I would like to donate my face to anything that would work.

[B]

One point, I literally. I had to take off a couple weeks because I had perioral dermatitis, which a lot of women get.

[A]

When.

[B]

Or actually a lot. Okay, here's my if for all the moms watching right now, it's called perioral dermatitis. It's what your children are getting when they're 13, 14, 15, 16, and they're trying all the products that they're not supposed to be trying to, and you get this red Kind of rash that can be really. And it's because I got it. Because I'm trying. I try. You should see me.

[A]

I'm like, you're in a hormonal household.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

That's what it is. Do you keep your eye on the ball? Do you look at the competitors? Do you just keep going forward? And a lot of people can get broken down, like, sitting there, scrolling on social.

[B]

I mean, a couple things lately, people have. I'm like. I was like, you directly took that from me.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

But then I kind of find it flattering.

[A]

It is flattering. You know, I mean, my mom taught me that.

[B]

You know, I'm like, all right, it's kind of flattering. Listen, I think we can all play in the same sandbox. I was just saying in my last interview, this beauty world, it's really. I have had so many incredible founders help me, reach out to me, tell me what the most important things that they did wrong. It's not what you do right, it's what you do wrong. Katherine Powers, Amy liu from Tower 28. Tiffany from Drunken Elephant. Like, I really have been so blessed, and I will ask the questions. I think the best thing about me in terms of, like, a founder. I remember getting on the phone with Linda Berkowitz, and if you don't know Linda Berkowitz, she's amazing. She's basically Ilya. I was trying to.

[A]

Yes, she is.

[B]

See if she would get. Be on my board. And I get on, and it's. It's. It's one year ago, and I. She. I got on the screen. She's like, how's it going? And I burst into tears.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And I was like, I just. I need this. And I'm like, what do you think about this? And she was like, okay, slow down. You're fine. And she just, like, walked me through so many different things and had such a profound. She got me Carter, like. But the point of what I was saying is that I'm not afraid to ask. I do ask. Hey, what do you think? And nine times out of 10, listen, I think the best advice I could give people is that I think most founders don't listen. You have to listen. You have to surround yourself with an incredible team, but then you have to listen, you know, yes, you can go with your gut, and you can go against certain things, but I do think it's really. And I have a great team. I think you're hiring them for a reason.

[A]

Yes, you are. Yes, you are. And you can't you can't know everything. And knowing that you can't know everything,

[B]

well, it's like, you know, it's. How to say that. See that, that saying, you're, you're, you know so many things, but you're the master of none or however. Like, one day I'll be able to hire not a unicorn who has a desire to do everything. But team is really important, you know?

[A]

And you're not stopping. You have producing next, is that right?

[B]

Yes, we just finished. We had kind of Pregnant come out last year with Amy Schumer, which was so fun. It was a rom com on. On Netflix. Next we have the last Mrs. Parrish, which is a thriller. A woman wanting another woman's life. How great was the housemate with Amanda? I was just with her. I'm so happy for her. I'm so happy for everyone. Lionsgate the whole thing. But yes, I produce Thrill, so I'm very thrilled. But it's called the last Mrs. Parish. It's with Robert Zemeckis, who's Forrest Gump castaway. He's an incredible director. Liza Chasen, my producing partner, and we got Jennifer Lopez to star in it. So we just wrapped that at the end of November, so we don't have a date this year, but it'll be out soon. And so excited. I've got free to make fat in next book called the Tenant that I'm actually producing with my husband.

[A]

Oh, that's so exciting.

[B]

Which we'll see how we like working together.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

I know, but it's fun, you know, it's. You have to be interested, you know, as you get older.

[A]

I think so too. I think that's what gets me up every day and makes me want to stay up late at night and not go to sleep.

[B]

Like, when my kids, I'm begging them to read, they're like, what are you doing? And I'm like, I'm reading, you know, I know. It's just being interested, being interested in something, being curious.

[A]

Outside yourself.

[B]

Outside of yourself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And travel. It opens up a. A whole new world.

[A]

Where are you going next? Do you know?

[B]

You know what? I'm probably not going anywhere because my house has been under construction for. From the hurricanes in Mexico. So we're probably gonna go there for spring break, which we all love because it's just like, it's just like water slides and family time and a lot of margaritas.

[A]

Well, anytime you. Oh, I like that. Anytime you travel back to New York, I'd love to see you.

[B]

Thank you, you're amazing. And I love what you. I love how. What I love about just your messaging is making women feel that it's okay. Thank you. To not feel good or be in not the perfect place in your life at the perfect moment. You have such a good. You know, I don't know, I just, I love your ethos of how you give women that platform to be like, I can do this, or you know what, this actually sucks right now.

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Or I can't right now, or I can't. But I will.

[B]

But I will. And I think it's a really good message and I think, you know, for our women, you know, it does take a village.

[A]

It does.

[B]

It does. And to invest in that village, invest in your girlfriends because at the end of the day, you will need them in the end.

[A]

It's funny. That's what my mom said to me.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Thank you so much.

[B]

You're so welcome. You're the best.

[A]

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