How to Create the Career of Your Dreams with Marie Forleo

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Podcast Summary: The Tamsen Show

Episode: How to Create the Career of Your Dreams with Marie Forleo
Host: Tamsen Fadal
Guest: Marie Forleo, NYT bestselling author, entrepreneur, and creator of "Everything is Figureoutable"
Date: February 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode is an inspiring, deeply practical conversation on how to intentionally design a career—and a life—that fits and sustains you, rather than consumes you, especially in the context of reinvention and the “now what?” moments of midlife. Emmy-winning journalist Tamsen Fadal sits down with Marie Forleo to explore mindset shifts, actionable tools, and honest stories about burnout, comparison, and carving your own path outside the hustle hard paradigm. The episode is rich with personal anecdotes, memorable frameworks, and honest guidance for anyone seeking clarity, freedom, and fulfillment in their next chapter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Myth of “Not Enoughness” & Fear of Falling Behind

• Marie shares that even with outward success, feelings of being behind or panicked are common—these are signals, not truths.
  • “Those feelings come right back in… so now I see them more as a signal that I need to take better care of this vessel.” (Marie, 04:30)
• Fear, scarcity, and the sense that “there isn’t enough” fuel burnout and comparison but are not true.

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2. Running Your Own Race & Avoiding Comparison

• Marie candidly compares herself to creators like Mr. Beast but has learned to focus on her own gifts and audience:
  • “I am running my own race… Anytime I start looking to the right or left… I always fall on my face. I always feel like shit. And I never get great results.” (Marie, 08:55)
• The importance of finding rootedness and defining your own metrics for success, rather than chasing scale or popularity.

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3. The “Simplify to Amplify” Framework

• Origin Story: Marie described feeling overwhelmed, even as her business succeeded.
• Actionable Step: She performed a detailed audit of her business and life:
  • Tracked activities that generated revenue, joy, strain, or dread.
  • Evaluated not just profit, but energetic and emotional costs.
  • Cut entire revenue streams (even lucrative ones) that drained her energy (13:24–16:15):
    • “I killed revenue streams that equaled over a million dollars… My friends thought I was bonker pants.” (Marie, 16:00)
• Key Principle:
  • “Simplify to amplify”—consciously trim your commitments to focus on what adds the most value and joy.

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4. Practical Tools: The Stress Log

• Prescription for Overwhelm:
  • “Sit down and write down everything that's stressing you out… Then start evaluating things: if this could come off my list, if I could hire it out, just erase it…” (Marie, 19:04)
  • This externalizes the stressors and provides space for solutions.
  • Example: A team member “fucking hated laundry,” so she outsourced it for her own mental freedom.
• Self-Distancing: Journaling your stress lets you address challenges from a problem-solving (not emotional) place.

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5. Transcending Scarcity & Trusting Inner Wisdom

• Marie’s “body wisdom” signals her truest choices.
  • “That [inner] wisdom never makes me feel afraid… When I listen to it, I’m always like, holy shit, I didn’t know my life could be this good.” (Marie, 24:40)
• Comparison (“Compare Schlager”) is like a hangover—the solution is to opt out of digital rabbit holes and return to your own lane.

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6. Everything is Figureoutable: Mantra and Mindset

• Marie shares her mother’s story of fixing things (from roofs to radios) without prior experience, which gave rise to her life mantra:
  • “Everything is figureoutable.” (Marie, 34:40)
• Action shift: When stuck, don’t despair—ask, “What is the next step I can take?”

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7. Power of Slowing Down

• Marie’s experiment: Slowing down by 10–15%—in speech, movement, decision-making—has made her more effective, creative, and connected.
  • “I’ve become what I feel to myself as 10 to 100 times more powerful by slowing down 10 to 15%.” (Marie, 38:57)
• Application: Pausing increases presence, reduces anxiety, and improves relationships (41:38).
• “If I say yes to something that's not in full alignment, my ass is gonna get sick.” (Marie, 67:09)

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8. Procrastination: Signal or Saboteur?

• Marie reframes procrastination as potentially protective—sometimes you’re resisting something your intuition knows isn’t right.
  • “Sometimes the fact that you're putting it off is a sign that you need to call it off.” (Marie, 47:58)
• For necessary but avoided tasks:
  • Use “This or Nothing Else” — work in a distraction-free zone with just one task.
  • Find accountability or external deadlines.

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9. Non-Hustle Culture & Defining Freedom

• Marie challenges hustle culture and encourages defining freedom—doing what you want, with whom you want, when you want.
• Practical steps for women transitioning careers or launching businesses, even without a business background:
  • Success is about alignment, not just output.
  • Learn modern marketing, find your audience, focus on genuine connection—you don't need a million followers.

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10. Organizational Strategies & Time Genius

• Time Genius: Marie’s framework for transforming your relationship with time:
  • Mindset shift: “There’s always time for what’s most important.”
  • Practical steps grounded in neuroscience and behavioral science.
  • Avoid screen overwhelm; reclaim focus and fulfillment.
    • “The average American will spend the equivalent of 44 years of their lives looking at screens.” (Marie, 63:37)
• Queen of No: Marie now prioritizes alignment over overcommitment:
  • “If I say yes to something that's not in full alignment, my ass is gonna get sick. I really cannot override this vessel anymore.” (Marie, 67:09)

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11. Reinvention & Listening to Inner Impulses

• For anyone feeling stuck or at a crossroads, Marie’s guidance:
  • “Clarity comes from engagement, not thought.” (Marie, 68:52)
  • Act on what draws your curiosity or delight—the next step will reveal itself; you don’t need the full plan.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Scarcity & Comparison:

  • “Compare Schlager is the equivalent of comparing yourself online, and then you spend days, if not weeks, feeling like shit.” (Marie, 28:58)

• On Outsourcing Stressors:

  • “I fucking hate laundry.” — Marie’s team member, expressing the freedom gained by offloading dreaded tasks. (Marie, 20:21)

• On Direction and Engagement:

  • “Clarity comes from engagement, not thought.” (Marie, 68:52)

• On Freedom:

  • “Freedom is being able to do what I want, when I want, with whom I want, and not worry about looking on the right side of the menu.” (Marie, 54:39)

• On the Mantra:

  • “Everything is figureoutable.” (Marie, 34:40)

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Important Timestamps

• 04:00 – Marie discusses fear, comparison, and “not enoughness”
• 09:00 – Running your own race; the “simplify to amplify” moment
• 13:24 – Auditing your energy and revenue; cutting major revenue streams
• 19:04 – The Stress Log tool for anxiety and overwhelm
• 24:40 – On trusting inner wisdom and opting out of comparison culture
• 34:40 – Origin of “Everything is Figureoutable” mantra
• 38:57 – The power and practice of slowing down
• 47:58 – Reframing procrastination as intuition or avoidance cue
• 54:39 – What “freedom” looks like in Marie’s work and life
• 63:37 – The importance of rethinking time: “44 years on screens” stat
• 68:52 – “Clarity comes from engagement, not thought”—advice for next-chapter seekers

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Final Advice from Marie (69:00–70:30)

"If there's any inclination in your heart for something that sounds delightful or interesting, go take action on it. That's your soul giving you a breadcrumb for what's next. ... Trust that it's there. It's within you already. We're cheering you on. It's fucking figureoutable. I wrote a book on it." — Marie Forleo

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Further Resources

• B School: Marie’s online program for entrepreneurs; opens yearly (see episode links for info).
• Dream Business Bootcamp: Free, upcoming virtual event for those at the start of (or stuck in) their entrepreneurial journey (Feb 10–12, 2026).
• Time Genius: Framework for taking control of your time and energy.
• Book Recommendation: “Everything is Figureoutable” by Marie Forleo.

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode delivers tough love, encouragement, and step-by-step frameworks with wit, warmth, and a no-BS attitude. Both host and guest normalize insecurity and overwhelm, while also providing clear, doable strategies for reclaiming agency, joy, and freedom at any career or midlife crossroads. The resounding mantras—simplify to amplify, everything is figureoutable, clarity comes from engagement—will linger long after listening.

Transcript

[Tamsen Webster]

Welcome back to the Tamsen Show. I have known today's guest for like a hundred years. She helped me make sense of my business in so many phases of my life. And I don't know if she even knows that. Today, if you're listening to this and thinking about how do I move into my next chapter, you are going to be getting tools that have not only worked for me, but for millions of women out there. One of the biggest fears that I had making the jump from news anchor to advocate a few years ago is that I was going to be behind, that my gut was wrong and that this new life I was creating was going to be more consuming than the career I was already in. And now in the past year, I've put out a book, had live events, built this podcast, and put out two documentaries. And honestly, I feel like right now I'm kind of back at that now what feeling some days. So today we're going to learn how to move forward intentionally so the next chapter actually supports. Supports your life instead of consuming it. And that's why my guest today is Marie Forleo. Marie is a New York Times best selling author of Everything is Figureoutable. It's a phrase that has become a mantra for so many women out there, including me, because I say it like at least once a week to myself when I'm dealing with something. Marie's been helping women build businesses with her for more than two decades. And what sets her apart is that she's never talked about success as doing more or hustling harder. She talks about how to design a life and a business that's sustainable and livable. Today we're gonna learn her mindset, shifts and practical tools you can use right now to help you make decisions without panic. So whether you're starting something new, changing how you work, trying to figure out what's next, I'm so excited for this conversation. Today's podcast is sponsored by Midi Health. So many women tell me the same thing. They finally speak up about brain fog, exhaustion or anxiety and they're brushed off or told it's just stress or age. That kind of dismissal makes you question your own body. MIDI changes that by offering expert insurance covered virtual care that actually understands midlife and treats women like they matter. Ready to feel your best and write your second act script? Visit joinmitty.comtamsin today to book your personalized insurance covered virtual visit. That's joinmitty.com Tamsen Midi the Care Women.

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[Tamsen Webster]

I'm so happy you're here. I have been really looking forward to this.

[Marie Forleo]

I have been looking forward to this. First of all, I love you and adore you so much. And I'm so appreciative. Like, we've known each other truly for, like, a hundred years, a long time. And I just gotta say, like, I'm sitting here watching you do your magic, and I just. I become in awe of anyone who's so, so good. And you are one of those people. You are just phenomenal.

[Tamsen Webster]

Thank you. Thank you for that. It means a lot. You know, we. We met in another world. You know what I mean? Years. We were very young. Well, not that young. I mean, we're still young, I guess, right? But we met when we were starting out in our careers and have transitioned into a lot of, you know, a lot of different things. But the one thing I've always admired about what you've done is you were very clear with your messaging and very clear that it was about helping women.

[Marie Forleo]

Women and men.

[Tamsen Webster]

But women find this frame for themselves. And I think it was something that we were never taught. Like, I was never taught to talk about money out loud or to figure out frameworks. So before we get started with all this, I wanna talk about where you are right now and what this chapter of your life looks like, because it looks pretty great from the outside. I said when you walked in, you have this sense of calm that a lot of people we don't have. And it's kind of contagious.

[Marie Forleo]

Oh, thank you. Well, I'll tell you, it's definitely hard one. You know, I've been doing this, meaning some version of working with people for, like, 25 years. And when I say that number, I'm like, OMG, how did the time go that fast? And there's been so many iterations of it. And I'll say, and I'll be the first one. I think, you know, that feeling of panic, that feeling of, oh, my God, I'm behind that feeling of if I don't push myself harder and harder and harder, I'm Never going to get to where I need to get to. Not only have I had that at so many places in my career, but I find that even now, if I am tired, if I haven't slept well, if I haven't eaten well, if I'm just off somehow emotionally or something's not really aligned, those feelings come right back in. And so now I see them more as a signal that I need to take better care of this vessel, because then I get regrounded and I'm able to operate from a different place. And I know we were talking a little bit backstage about this, and I love that. And one of the things that has really come clear to me in the past few years is, is that feeling of panic, that feeling of behind, that feeling of overwhelm, that feeling like if you don't push harder and harder, and if you're not on every platform and you're not doing all the things everywhere all at once 24 7, 365. When you break that down and ask yourself, what's that really about? What I've discovered is it's really about fear and scarcity, that somehow there's not enough. That there's not enough for you, that there's not enough success, that some somehow you won't get to where you ultimately need to go, that other people are gonna get it rather than you. And there's. It's just this whole shit show, to be honest, that's rooted in not enoughness. And it's so devastating, it's so painful, it is awful for our nervous systems. Not to mention it is not true.

[Tamsen Webster]

Well, that's the big part of it, the fact that it's not true. And I love hearing you say that because I think somebody is listening right now and saying, like, but, Marie, you built this. You built B school like you are B school. You built something that is helping millions of women. How did you do all that and not have, you know, have that fear? But I think what I've seen, and this is from the outside, obviously, and we talked a little bit about it earlier, but what I've seen is that you've grown that and you've gotten calmer. The bigger things get for you. And I think that's pretty remarkable if someone's listening right now and goes, yeah, I feel. I. I feel the shit show.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

I feel the fear. I feel like everyone's ahead. I feel like I'm on Instagram scrolling at midnight when I can't fall asleep. And everybody did what my idea was five years ago. That I did.

[Marie Forleo]

Oh, totally. Yeah, you laugh because we've all done it, myself included.

[Tamsen Webster]

Me too.

[Marie Forleo]

I'm raising my hand and I think we can all relate to that. So I want to say one that I'm definitely not immune to it. And now I have figured out some tools, some. Some frameworks, some ideas that we're going to talk about in just a moment. But I don't want anyone listening or watching right now to think like I'm some special little snowflake over here that is immune to all that crap, because I am not. But one of us are. I mean, B school anything I've created MarieTV, the book, everything that I've done that I've found to be valuable to other people is usually always created out of my own pain, which includes this. Converse. Like, anything I'll share here. I love that as an offering to say, hey, here might be some little lifelines. If this frame framework, or even the thought of it can help you get out of the shit show that we all find ourselves in, please use it and run with it, tweak it and make it better.

[Tamsen Webster]

But I think when I look at what you've done, like MarieTV, for example.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

How long have you been doing that?

[Marie Forleo]

Oh, my goodness. So it's like since like 2009 or 10.

[Tamsen Webster]

You were so far ahead of everybody with that. That's podcasting, essentially.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

However many years ago. Right?

[Marie Forleo]

It is. But I will say this, and I want to balance this. I've been doing it a long time and I think longevity is one of my superpowers. But I'm certainly not the biggest. I'm certainly not the most popular. Like, I was just recently, Dubai, at this creators conference with 35,000 attendees. Oh my gosh. And one of the kind of headliners was a gentleman called Mr. Beast.

[Tamsen Webster]

Right.

[Marie Forleo]

The person who has the most apparent influence in the world, the most subscribers, the most whoever. Like, my numbers are tiny compared to a person like that. However, what I've learned over time is like I am running my own race. And what I mean by that, it's not even a race. It's like my God given gifts are here to have a particular expression. And I've learned painfully, that anytime I start looking to the right or left and I see someone who's more popular, who's got more influence, who's probably got more success, more money, more fame, you can go down the line and I start deviating from what feels good or true to me. I always fall on my face. I always feel like Shit. And I never get great results. And when you've made that mistake a few times, which I have, I have too. I then try to learn to do better, to go.

[Tamsen Webster]

See, still don't work, Marie.

[Marie Forleo]

See, still don't work. And so now, thankfully, I just turned 50.

[Tamsen Webster]

Happy birthday. Congratulations.

[Marie Forleo]

I love it. Welcome. I'm really excited about it because I finally feel a sense of real rootedness in my own path and journey. And a couple of things that I want to share. I want to talk about this idea called simplify to amplify, which, which actually saved me early on in my career when I was feeling pulled and stretched so thin. And you know, I had this idea for a coaching business way back in the day, before coaching was even a thing.

[Tamsen Webster]

Yeah, you, you were. I remember this.

[Marie Forleo]

23 Tamsa, you were.

[Tamsen Webster]

So weren't you doing. Weren't you dancing?

[Marie Forleo]

Yes, I had simul career. So I was also like. I coined this phrase because it was the only way to make sense of what I felt about myself that did not fit into a traditional mold. So just for some context, I was super passionate about personal development. I was passionate about small business development. My dad was a small business owner. I loved marketing, I love spirituality, I loved writing, I love speaking. I loved dance and fitness. And every time people are like, well, you gotta pick one thing and do it. And all the success books out there were about choosing one thing and becoming so good at it and then waiting 10 years and then maybe people would know you for it. When I tried to follow traditional success advice, I felt like I was cutting off a limb. And I remember I was bartending at the time and I was pursuing dance, which made no sense because I have no dance training. At 25, I was building this life coaching business which sounded so weird and cheesy and no one had ever heard of it. But I loved the idea of supporting people so much. And people would ask me when I was bartending, so what else do you do? Are you an actress? And one day I feel like I got a gift from the divine. And the phrase that popped into my brain was, I'm a multi passionate entrepreneur.

[Tamsen Webster]

You coined that phrase. Yes, I know. I remember.

[Marie Forleo]

I remember saying to someone that, you know, across the bar and I was like, well, what does that mean? And then I started telling him about all of my dance and fitness and the hip hop and sign up for my coaching newsletter. Like it gave me this whole new context to see myself. Anyway, fast forward a few years when I was doing coaching programs, I had kind of left the world of fitness. And I was finally starting to make money doing this thing that I was so passionate about, which took me like seven or eight years. But then an interesting thing happened. Tamsen. The very business that I was so excited to grow started killing me. So I was making money for the first time. More money than I ever thought I'd see in my lifetime. But I was becoming miserable because there were no more hours in the day, no matter how hard I tried to push myself. Right. So I had this mastermind program. I was doing a live event every year called Rich, Happy and Hot. Because I was sassy af. Still am.

[Tamsen Webster]

It's so funny. I remember all this.

[Marie Forleo]

Of course, I remember your first book. Yes. Make Every Man Want yout.

[Tamsen Webster]

How to Make Every Man Want yout.

[Marie Forleo]

I was like, barely Keep from Dating Yourself.

[Tamsen Webster]

Wait, say it again.

[Marie Forleo]

So my first book was Make Every Man Want yout or make yours Want yout More. How to Be so Damn Irresistible you'll Barely Keep From Dating Yourself. It was like a dating book, and it was all about being present. But I knew as a marketer and a marketing student at that time that if I, you know, wrote a book at 24 called how to Be Present, no one would buy it.

[Tamsen Webster]

No, of course.

[Marie Forleo]

Anywho, back to this moment when I just couldn't get any more hours in the day. And I had a super tiny team. I had two people on. I said, guys, you know, we're making money, but this business is going to kill me. And what we did was something that changed the game for me forever. And I'm actually redoing it now at this stage in my career.

[Tamsen Webster]

Wow.

[Marie Forleo]

Which is to take a step back and to do an audit of every single thing I was doing. And I took a look at all the activities that were bringing revenue into the business, and I evaluated them. What was the profit? What was the top line revenue? What was the profit? But this was the piece that most people miss. It's not just about those numbers. I also took a look energetically, which of the revenue streams were bringing me joy, which were bringing me dreadful, which were the things that I was doing in the business that was just a total strain on my team and myself, cognitively, emotionally. And when I had that entire matrix built out, it became clear to me that if I didn't start taking things off my plate, that I would burn out and quit.

[Tamsen Webster]

I think that's so hard. Was that a real hard, honest look at things? Because, you know, if I. I was just. While you were saying it, I'm like, what would I take off my plate? And then I go, I can't do that. I gotta put that back on. Well, how did you do? How did you get real brutally honest? Cause that is something you have to be brutally honest about.

[Marie Forleo]

You do. And you have to have a bit of a North Star. So at that point in my career it was I wanted something that could scale because I kept hitting a limit ceiling wise. And for me, I make no apologies about this. I did not grow up with a lot of money. And when I started my business I was pretty deep in debt. So a big goal of mine was to have financial freedom. And so when I evaluated all of my activities in terms of revenue and profit and how much it was taking me to produce that, it became painfully clear that, for example, doing this live event every year, I would spend six to seven months myself and my team putting it together. But because I'm a maniac and didn't want to live stream, which wasn't even really a thing at that time, there was a cap on how many people I could have. I'm like, this is dumb. Then I had something else where I was working with just a small handful of women and it was a really kind of premium price type of offer, but still it was limiting the amount of people I could impact. And a message in my heart that felt really true to me was that for whatever reason I was meant to scale in terms of how can I change as many lives as possible? Not scale meaning I need to be famous, but how can I use my gifts in a way that can really help the most people I can while I'm on the planet? So that was a really big North Star, that scale piece.

[Tamsen Webster]

Now is that the B school that that came out of that?

[Marie Forleo]

Exactly. B School was a baby then, but there were. And B School is online business school for modern entrepreneurs who want to make money and make a difference.

[Tamsen Webster]

And then that's it. It opens up once a year.

[Marie Forleo]

It opens up once a year, which we'll talk about in a bit. But this context is important. The other thing that I was doing at that time that was a baby was MarieTV. So out of like the 10 things I was doing, the only two that had the ability to reach many people, Marie TV was there and it was free. And I was like, look, even if people can't, affording to work with me on some level is not part of their financial reality right now, I still want to use my gifts to help others. So I need focus on MarieTV. And then the Other program, B school, which was new. I was like, oh, my goodness, if I could teach these frameworks to, at that time, other women entrepreneurs. Because that was the majority of my audience. The content is not gender specific, but that's just who I attracted. I said, if I can get this out in a major way, I have the ability to get the freedom. I want the profit. I want the scale and the impact. So that's how I weaned off that list. And let me tell you something. I killed revenue streams that equaled over a million dollars, which was terrifying. Remember you were saying, like, how do you do this? This is hard, Tamsen. I was freaking out. Like, a million bucks was more than I ever thought I'd see in my lifetime. So I felt sick to my stomach. My friends thought I was bonker pants. Like, all of my colleagues were like, why are you walking away from these offers that are good? You just need to hire more team. I was like, dude, this vessel is not meant for that. I am fried.

[Tamsen Webster]

What did you feel to know that? What were you feeling with your body?

[Marie Forleo]

What I was feeling was every night having so much anxiety, trying to. To sleep. I felt like a fraud. I felt like, maybe I'm a kind of good life coach, but I suck as an entrepreneur. I was feeling depleted, angry, and all of the joy that I had around the idea of coaching or working with people was start. Was, like, out the door. So the thing that I loved was starting to get destroyed because I hadn't set myself up right.

[Tamsen Webster]

I hear a lot of people say that, like, I'm gonna. I feel like a fraud doing this, or they're gonna. They're gonna find out that I don't really. I mean, look, I. I was a TV news anchor 30 years, and I'm like, I hope they don't find out. I don't know how to read the news. Yes, I said that up until year 30.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

How did you get beyond that phrase and that thought about yourself?

[Marie Forleo]

Well, I think what it came down to was getting really sober about the fact that the way I had structured things was unsustainable. It was coming face to face with the fact that I am not a machine. You know, it was like, 2010, 2011, and I really had to practice this idea called simplify to amplify.

[Tamsen Webster]

Simplify to amplify.

[Marie Forleo]

Simplify to amplify. I needed to pull things off of my list that were draining my battery, draining my energy, draining me cognitively, and that honestly weren't helping me hit the kind of financial, emotional, Impact goals. I was like, that's not gonna get me there. I can do math. Let me do some simple math. So simplify to amplify was it. But then the other piece of it was too, was being really honest about where I needed support. So I'm a visionary, I'm a creative. I'm not the most fantastic operator. I can do it. Meaning if I put my head down, I will do whatever it takes to make something happen. Everything is figureoutable. I'm not afraid of hard work. But in terms of hiring people, managing people, managing the day to day, I was like, not cut out for that. So I made it my mission to find that person who could run alongside of me so that I could be in my genius zone. And she or he wound up being a she could be in hers, and then we could do things together. So I really needed to build out a team.

[Tamsen Webster]

I think that's so important. And, you know, when you say simplify to amplify, I think of it in the business sense, and I also think of it in the constructs of real life, just life. If somebody's listening goes, okay, I already know what my business is, but I feel that time pull all over the place in my life.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

So let's go into simplify, simplified, amplify.

[Marie Forleo]

That's right, baby. And here, let's put it in context. Simplify whatever the complexity is to amplify your happiness, your joy, your well being, your financial freedom, your time freedom. So you can take this little simple idea and you can apply it to anything.

[Tamsen Webster]

What somebody can do today that's listening, that says, hey, I feel all that. I didn't sleep this whole week because I'm so anxious, or I have no more joy, I can't find it. What do you suggest they do first?

[Marie Forleo]

A really simple action step is to do something that I call a stress log. And again, this was born out of me, like, losing my mind and wanting to pull my hair out, which is sit down and write down everything that's stressing you out, everything that you're doing. And it could be from the moment you wake up till the moment you go to sleep. It could be what you do in your business, in your life over the course of a week, and then just start evaluating things. Like, this is the thing. Oh, my goodness. Like, if this could come off my list, if I could hire this out, if I could just erase it, disappear it, stop doing it, drop it. Like you feel like the clouds would part and the angels would be like, oh, like I have my life back. So a simple stress log, first of all, it gets things out of your brain and onto the page where there's a little bit of what's called self distancing in the personal development world. And it makes it a lot easier to not take something personally. And then to start approach it from an everything is figureoutable solution framework where you're like, for instance, I had someone that worked for me for many years. She was brilliant. She had a small child, you know, demanding life. And she realized she hated laundry. Like, I know it sounds so.

[Tamsen Webster]

No, it doesn't.

[Marie Forleo]

But it was the one thing where she didn't mind cooking dinner, this, that, and the other thing, she's like, I hate laundry.

[Tamsen Webster]

You're allowed to swear, right? I know you.

[Marie Forleo]

I fucking hate laundry. So I remember working with her on this. She's like, wait, I could really hire someone for like 20 bucks an hour.

[Tamsen Webster]

You know what I mean?

[Marie Forleo]

To just come and do this one thing. It sounds so trite and simple, but it freed up so much guilt cognitive bandwidth. And she was like, this is the best. Like 40 bucks. I could spend a week to spend more time with my kid to actually be nicer. Doing a stress log, writing it down, I think is the first step to making it real in terms of solutions. And you get to just be brutally honest with the page. Like on the page. I hate this. And then if you have a best friend or a colleague or someone that you mastermind with, like show them your list, they might have the exact resource, you know, there might be something you can do or you might just need to change your attitude towards it. Any which way, you start getting closer to solutions.

[Tamsen Webster]

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[Marie Forleo]

And I know Mr.

[Tamsen Webster]

Beast. If you haven't heard of him, he's like look him up. Look him up on YouTube. You're gonna find, you know, the. You'll have it on your YouTube algorithm forever. And you said, well, he has more followers than me, and he has this than me, but I know who I am.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

And you said it very matter of fact. But I don't know that everybody could say it very matter of fact. They might say, gosh, I can't wait to get to that. And that's when I know I'm gonna be successful.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

So how did you get out of that scarcity to the other side of scarcity is abundance?

[Marie Forleo]

Well, I think remembering, I always try and go back to what feels true in my body and true in my heart. So I'm a big believer. All of us have body truths, body wisdom, if you want to call it higher intelligence, kind of divine intelligence. I feel like mine lives in my. In my heart. And when it speaks to me and I get messages and it's not like an audible voice in my head, but close to it, it's like very, very clear directives. That intelligence and that wisdom never makes me feel afraid. It never makes me feel stressed out. And when I listen to it, I'm always like, holy shit. I did not know my life and business could be this good. So the way that I got there was, again, stepping off my path. I remember. I'll give you one concrete example. It was years ago, and a colleague of mine, like a super dear friend of mine, had, like, had her own little jewelry line. Like, it was like a co branded thing. And I was like, I want that. Like, and it wasn't envy in a bad way, but it was like a small little thing. I was like, oh, that's so cool. I should do that too. And I remember, I figured it out and I made it happen. And Tamsen, let me tell you, it was a beautiful experience. However, it wound up being such a frigging time suck. And from the money and the energy. Do you know what I mean? I was like, it kind of took me.

[Tamsen Webster]

What am I doing?

[Marie Forleo]

What am I doing here? Again, it was fine, but I was like, look at what happened. Look at all of the time and energy and hoopla because you got a little envious or. You know what I mean? You got shiny object syndrome with something. And I've done that maybe a half a dozen times. So for me, thankfully, I usually don't learn things on the first try, but if I fall down enough and I have enough pain, I do wake up.

[Tamsen Webster]

No, I get it. I mean, I get that. I didn't even know you did that.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes, that's what I mean, it was like. It was a little campaign. It was a little something I did. And again, it was wonderful and I loved who I worked with. But when I stepped back and looked at the bigger landscape of what things give me the most juice, what where I get not only the most financial return, but emotional satisfaction, it's always been from doing something different that has come for. I'll give you an example. So everything is figureoutable. This book, it came out in 2019, and I remember my publisher was being like, okay, Marie, so like, how do we want to launch the book? And I had this download, which was, what if we had the combination of a Beyonce concert, a TED Talk and a block party. And everyone at the publisher's house was like, what the fuck is this girl talking about? And I was just like, just trust me. Cut to us having this incredible book launch. It was the Hammerstein Ballroom. We built out sets. It was the most incredible thing I've ever experienced. And it was one of the most satisfying, impactful events of my entire life that came from watching no one besides, like obviously loving Beyonce, or do you know what I mean?

[Tamsen Webster]

Like, you did it in your head. It was your. I always call it my shower moment. Yes. Like, my shower moment was a world hottest menopause party, which I said. I laughed about it at first and then I executed it and I was like.

[Marie Forleo]

And you knocked it out of the park.

[Tamsen Webster]

I loved it though. I just loved it. It was like I could do it every day.

[Marie Forleo]

I got chills. I got chills. So every.

[Tamsen Webster]

I remember that event that you had. I remember that. I remember watching you. I don't know why I remember this. I don't know if it was a video you put up or something. It was like watching you from behind getting up on stage. It was like a behind the scenes of you getting mic'd up. And I went, holy shit. I didn't know she could dance like that. Like, I just remember it being so amazing.

[Marie Forleo]

It was so amazing. Like I popped out of a toaster. Do you know what I mean? Like a stage poster. I was like, who am I? But it was so fun and I made connections. When I was just in Dubai, there was people there that were at my book launch or like I had to fly in from around the world to see you do this crazy ass thing. But everyone listening or watching right now, you have these ideas in you. You have these possibilities. And whether it's about your career or about a life adventure or something in your relationship that you want to experience. I want you to listen to those impulses for me. Those are your signals from your higher self or your soul guiding you on your destiny. And if you're starting to pay attention, compare. I call it compare Schlager, because it's like doing shots of this awful liqueur that I did shots of when I was in college called Goldschlager. Do you remember that? Of course I do. It's like clear liquid with the gold.

[Tamsen Webster]

I know exactly what it is.

[Marie Forleo]

I threw up in so many bushes over that stuff. But compare Schlager is the equivalent of comparing yourself online. And then you spend days, if not weeks, feeling like shit. You are hungover because you feel like less. Like everyone else has got it together. And it's such bullshit.

[Tamsen Webster]

And you just suck.

[Marie Forleo]

And you don't.

[Tamsen Webster]

We talked about this before we came on, and you made a really good point. We had. And I never thought of it quite like this, but we were so lucky to be in a world.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

Right before social.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

And working and doing all those things. And I always think of it like, oh, gosh, what would life been like if I had all that stuff? And one side of me goes, that life would have been so easy. I think life would have been really hard, too.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

So we've seen it with, you know, both ways, which is really interesting. Yeah.

[Marie Forleo]

And I also think, too, I joke with my team about this sometimes. I think the 90s were amazing. Me too. Cause that, like, the music for the 90s, like, I'm never gonna not have my R and B playlist, but I live, like, I'm in the 90s a lot of the time. Yeah. So I don't spend a ton of time on social. Like, I love creating content, but I've constructed it so my team helps put it out there and execute. And then I go into, let's say, DMs. I go on commando missions. So my team lets me know when there's, like, someone who is a legit contact or someone who I should be. You know what I mean?

[Tamsen Webster]

Yeah, of course.

[Marie Forleo]

And then I get out. It's like, I don't spend a ton of time on YouTube because I'm a YouTuber. Do you know what I mean?

[Tamsen Webster]

I do. It's like, I think that's a really good lesson for people, though, because I think they think they have to. You don't inundate themselves.

[Marie Forleo]

You do not have to inundate yourselves. There are ways that you can create containers for you to engage. And, you know, I was talking with another creator about this. And she was like, but, Marie, I make so much money on Instagram, I said, that's fine, but you can still put guardrails up that protect your mental and emotional health. And let's be clear, the reason I'm not in there, I don't feel good when I'm in there. Because I'm as susceptible as the next person to. If I'm on the feed enough, I'm going to start thinking to myself, like, wow, I look like shit. Oh, I must not be doing enough. Oh, wow, look at him.

[Tamsen Webster]

Look at her. Look at this. It's the human brain. It is a human brain, and they're.

[Marie Forleo]

Designed to make us feel that way.

[Tamsen Webster]

Just, like, to be clear and to not stop. Like, to keep going.

[Marie Forleo]

Correct.

[Tamsen Webster]

So let's talk about. Everything is figureoutable, because we know it's the mantra. I also know if you. By the way, we're gonna link to the book. But I think everyone should read this book for a number of reasons. First, you're hilarious. But second, it's very actionable and it's timeless. And I think that. I don't think there's a lot of books that are timeless like that. And I know that this one is. But you start with the story of your mom with the orange clock, right? Is it a clock or alarm?

[Marie Forleo]

It's a little radio. You wanna tell that, right?

[Tamsen Webster]

I think you need to, because I've always. Every time I see you, I think of your mom in the orange clock. That's how good that story was. But I think that that's where that mantra came from.

[Marie Forleo]

It is.

[Tamsen Webster]

And I'd love for you to just like a quick.

[Marie Forleo]

Yeah, 100%. So my mom is this really unique character. She's about five, four, she looks like June Cleaver. She curses like a truck driver, which is where I get it from. And she's got just the tenacity of a bulldog. And she learned by necessity how to, like, stretch a dollar bill around the block. So she grew up in the projects of Newark, New Jersey, and two alcoholic parents. And she had made a promise to herself that when she grew up, she was gonna find a way to make a better life. And one of my favorite recipes with my mom was Sundays in New Jersey, sitting around a kitchen table. And she was clipping coupons, Right. And she loved showing me all the ways that we could save money. And one of the other things that she would do. Do you remember proofs of purchase?

[Tamsen Webster]

Of course.

[Marie Forleo]

So for anyone who is younger, you might not know this, but Brands, you know, you could cut out the back of a carton, you could cut out something, you could save them all up, mail them in and get like a cookbook or utensils.

[Tamsen Webster]

My mom did it all the time, right? Yep.

[Marie Forleo]

And so one of my moms favorite items ever was this tiny little AM FM radio. It was shaped like an orange, it has little dimples, it had a red and white straw sticking out of the side. And she got it from Tropicana Orange juice. And music is big in my family. So I remember always coming home and I would hear this tinny little radio blasting like Whitney Houston. Like I'm every woman. So one day I came home and I remember like hearing music blasting from away. And as I got closer to my house, the music was coming from this odd orientation, it was coming from above. And I look up and I see my mom perched precariously on the roof of our two story house. No ladder, no nothing. I was like, oh my God, it's like. And she was like, re, I'm fine. She's like, look, the roof had a leak. I called the roofer, he said, it's gonna be at least 500 bucks. I said, screw that, I'm gonna do it myself. I love her. Come home from school another day, I get in the house and the music is blasting from the back. And I walk and it's in the bathroom and I push open the door and it looks like a frickin bomb went off. Right? There's like dust everywhere, there's pipes sticking out of the wall. I was like, mom, are you okay? What'? And she was like, oh, everything's fine. She's like, you know, I saw some cracks in the tiles in the bathroom and I wanted to retile everything so it wouldn't get moldy. Now you Gotta understand, this is 80s.

[Tamsen Webster]

It's like before YouTube. I saw it.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes. This is like pre Google, pre YouTube, pre everything. And my mom has a high school education. So one day I come home from school and it's the fall. And you know it's dark. Right. Daylight savings. It's spooky out. I'm approaching the house, Italian American house. It's dark and it's quiet. These are two terrible things in my world. I go in and I had that pit in my stomach. I'm like, something's not right.

[Tamsen Webster]

Yeah, something's wrong.

[Marie Forleo]

Where's my mom? Where's the radio? And then I hear some clicks and clacks and they're coming from the kitchen. And I go over there. And I see my mom hunched over the kitchen table, which looked like an operating room, one light on, and then on the table, spread out. It's like electrical tape, screwdrivers, and a completely dismantled Tropicana orange radio.

[Tamsen Webster]

Oh, the orange.

[Marie Forleo]

Yeah. I was like, mom, I was like, are you okay? It's like your favorite thing. She looks up and she's like, ri, I'm fine. She's like. Like, the antenna was a little off and the dial wasn't working, so I'm fixing it. So I stood there, my arms crossed, and I finally thought to ask her the question I should have always asked, which was this. I was like, hey, Ma, how do you know how to do so many things that you never did before, but nobody's showing you how to do it? And she puts her screwdriver down. He's like, re. Nothing in life is that complicated. If you roll up your sleeves, you get in there, and you do it. Everything is figureoutable. And tams. And I was like. Like, I was that phrase, like, everything that is figureoutable. Like, everything is figureoutable. And I swear to you, it kind of planted this seed in me because I watched both my mom and my dad throughout my entire life, who, again, nobody went to college. So they are just the kind of people who are fearless when it comes to figuring any little thing out. Like fixing washing machines. Do you? Yeah.

[Tamsen Webster]

That was what you had to do.

[Marie Forleo]

That's what we did. And so that philosophy, like, I use it every single day, like, when I.

[Tamsen Webster]

Love that story so much because I think it just gave me a visual for it. And then it gives you this, like, piece of. Like, this calm for a second, like, okay, so now I just need to figure out the solution. I don't need to worry about the problem.

[Marie Forleo]

Correct.

[Tamsen Webster]

And that's the difference.

[Marie Forleo]

And look, you're not always gonna have the. I don't always have the answer, but.

[Tamsen Webster]

Of course not.

[Marie Forleo]

But when the shiitake hits the fan in life, which it does on all the time, for all of us in every domain, you can cry in your cereal for a minute. Normal. I do, too. And then it's like, okay, this shit's figureoutable.

[Tamsen Webster]

Yep.

[Marie Forleo]

You know, who do I need to call? How do I need to think? What do I need to do next? And sometimes what you need to do next. Like, I sometimes pray. I ask for guidance. Sometimes I call a friend. Sometimes I need to take a drink of water and take a nap. There's so many things that we might need to do. But if you have that frame of mind, and you put yourself, like, what do I need to do right now? And you pause and you listen. You'll get the answer.

[Tamsen Webster]

Let's talk about that. Pausing for a minute because we were talking about what you have started doing, and I don't know is there a name of it or how you're doing it, but I think it's important.

[Marie Forleo]

So I've been talking to folks about this, especially for women. Like, I've noticed in myself, I've run so much of my life doing a gajillion things at hyper speed all the time, nonstop. Feeling this sense of fear that if I don't move faster, I'm gonna fall behind, that no one moves as fast as me, and, like, get out of my way.

[Tamsen Webster]

I don't think there's any woman listening that couldn't. Doesn't feel like that every once in a while, because I. I feel like if I stop, maybe this is a New York thing too. But if I feel like I stop, someone's gonna run over me from behind. Yeah, like, that's what I think. That's the New York groove, right?

[Marie Forleo]

There's a part of that, but there's also this, too. And again, I think this comes down to fear, scarcity. And for me, it was actually not to get too deep, but I can feel it was some childhood trauma. To be perfectly honest with you.

[Tamsen Webster]

I could agree with that.

[Marie Forleo]

It's also this. I had the narrative that if I slow down, if I take my foot off the pedal for one minute, everything I've worked so hard for is gonna backslide and I'm gonna be back in debt. This just primal fear that if I am not producing, I have it too, and pushing that everything's gonna disappear.

[Tamsen Webster]

I feel like if I take my foot off the gas for one second, you're all gonna go away.

[Marie Forleo]

It's all gonna go away.

[Tamsen Webster]

I know it's a hard thing to say, too, and admit to yours. I mean, it's a hard thing when you. You know it in your mind, but when you say it out loud, it's like, oof.

[Marie Forleo]

For me, I realized that I was actually placing a little too much importance on myself and feeling like I had to carry everything because that's always what I've had to do in my life. That was at least the N that I was taking forward. And it wasn't until life brought me to my knees a few times where I had to pause, especially in these most recent years, where I actually started reaching for something beyond myself and the pressure started to let up, and I started to flex more of my faith. And this is the thing that we were talking about that I want to make sure I articulate. I've actually become what I feel to myself as 10 to 100 times more powerful by slowing down 10 to 15%.

[Tamsen Webster]

What's 10 to 15% for me?

[Marie Forleo]

I slow down. Literally, my speech. Like, Josh, my partner, we've been together 22 years, going on 23 years, shortly. Wow.

[Tamsen Webster]

Congratulations.

[Marie Forleo]

I know. Thank you. I can't believe it. He's amazing, and he's really amazing. And patient. AF because.

[Tamsen Webster]

And talented. Af.

[Marie Forleo]

I am also. I'm like, brother, you have put up with a lot. This being is a lot. And I'm not always that nice, I will admit. You know what I mean? And in relationships are difficult.

[Tamsen Webster]

Josh should talk to Ira. Yes.

[Marie Forleo]

You know what I mean? Powerful women. I have many different sides. So I slow down my speech. I slow down my speech with him. I slow down my actions. Like, even going around my kitchen, I notice sometimes I'm like. I am so tightly wound up that I'm like, my supplements and do you.

[Tamsen Webster]

Know what I mean?

[Marie Forleo]

Like, banging into shit, creating bruises. I'm like, who? Yeah. What kind of m. What am I thinking I'm gonna get to.

[Tamsen Webster]

What am I. Yeah, that's exactly right.

[Marie Forleo]

What's.

[Tamsen Webster]

What. How fast I'm doing.

[Marie Forleo]

Like, what operating system am I running right now? It's terrible for my nervous system. All the work I'm doing to preserve my collagen and keep it looking cute, I'm destroying that with all the stress. It's like practically flushing money down the drain.

[Tamsen Webster]

Yeah, that's just expensive.

[Marie Forleo]

Do you know what I mean? That is expensive. And I just realized. And I started experimenting with slowing down 10 to 15% for me. So for you, it might be. I was talking with another woman. She's like, I think I need 25%.

[Tamsen Webster]

I was gonna say, I think I need more.

[Marie Forleo]

Marie, trust your body. Like, play with it as an experiment. Slow down your speech, slow down your actions. Challenge that assumption. Challenge that inner narrative that if you're not constantly rushing and racing and running, that something's gonna fall apart. I guarantee you it won't. And what I've discovered for myself is I actually. My intuition is louder, my presence is stronger, my energy is higher. I'm so much more clear. I feel like my brain has come back online in a way that I've been missing probably for close to a decade.

[Tamsen Webster]

Do you have to consciously think about it now or Is it second nature?

[Marie Forleo]

It's starting to get second nature. If I am emotionally tweaked, if I'm tired, if I'm hungry, if something. If something caught me, if I bit a hook. Right.

[Tamsen Webster]

If some bit of hook, that's good.

[Marie Forleo]

If some insecurity, you know, if I got some little boo boo inside and somebody touched it, or I exposed myself to something that touched it, that's when I can feel the fire up again. But that's fear, and that's scarcity. And so I'm just practicing noticing that and not going all the way down the chute with it.

[Tamsen Webster]

I love that because I think it's something we could all do, right?

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

And I think there's a lot of ways to do it. You said you could do it by reaching to get your cup of water. Like, there's a lot.

[Marie Forleo]

Slow down the energy. Yes. Josh and I have been doing it together too. I just want to speak into this, because there was a while. I've had probably the roughest two and a half years of my life. That's like a whole other conversation. And my relationship suffered because of it. I was just dealing with so much with my family, and it was a crisis. You know, we all find ourselves in these positions where things are really difficult, out of your control, and you just got to hang in there and work through it. Anywho, I noticed that when I slowed down my communication with Josh, I was able to also tune into him on a different level, to not say things in a way that was hurtful, to have him hear me better. It was just like. I was like, this is a frigging superpower. So that's why I've been playing with the more. And I'm like, just try it. Try it before you deny it. Experiment with it. See if yours is 30%, 40%, 5%, and see how you feel. Taking that down, I would wager that you're gonna find yourself feeling more powerful and ironically, getting things done in a more elegant, efficient way without the downstream stress effects.

[Tamsen Webster]

You know, somebody on social was a guy. He was like, this is my entrepreneurial wife. And he was making fun of her. And he's like, where are all my emails? I gotta get to my emails. Get me a smoothie. I gotta drink it in a minute. And I was laughing about it. And then I'm like, wait, I'm laughing. Cause I'm. That's me.

[Marie Forleo]

Oh, there's truth in that.

[Tamsen Webster]

There's a lot of truth in that. So if we say to slow down, I mean you feel it in your nervous system.

[Marie Forleo]

I do.

[Tamsen Webster]

You feel it in walking, in talking and checking emails. Everything. In everything.

[Marie Forleo]

Being with people. Like just traveling the other day. Like being with everyone from the person that was helping me check in, the person who was helping me get my baggage, the person if there was like a difficulty getting X, Y or Z food and just going like hey, how are you today? Rather than being so obsessed with my own agenda and getting it's like being with the other human. And Tamsen, I'm not kidding you. The most miraculous things of like how they showed up, how satisfied I felt, how connected I felt to my world and everything around me, how much better I'm sleeping, how much less frustration and anxiety I feel, less depression. Like miraculous.

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[Tamsen Webster]

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[Marie Forleo]

I think procrastination is a really interesting thing.

[Tamsen Webster]

Okay.

[Marie Forleo]

Because there are many different facets of it. And you ask, do I ever procrastinate? Hell yes I do. I'm always interested in being curious. Not self punishing and not self berating and not self judging, but being curious about why. Because here's something that I've discovered and I discovered this. I'll tell it through a quick story because sometimes procrastination is your friend. There's years ago when I was trying to do a business deal with someone who's quite popular. This person is very well known and I had an idea for a collab and he was super interested and we were like going along and we had a contractor on up and when the contract was going back and forth, I just kept finding myself not signing this thing. I was like, this is so weird for myself and my team. My team is also very proactive. We get shit done. We pride ourselves in that. And I was like, why is this one contract? Do you know what I mean? It's like, like we couldn't do it.

[Tamsen Webster]

I'm in it right now. In the middle of that.

[Marie Forleo]

Okay, Yeah.

[Tamsen Webster]

I keep putting it at the bottom of my mailbox. I'm like, I'm going to get that to tomorrow.

[Marie Forleo]

All of a sudden it was like I was about to make this thing, just get it done. And I get a phone call from this person and it was one of the most unprofessional phone calls where there was screaming coming my way. That was so. I had no idea that this side of this person existed. And I literally, I was like, there is no way on God's green earth that I am going to do business. Sometimes a.

[Tamsen Webster]

A sign.

[Marie Forleo]

Sometimes the fact that you're putting it off is a sign that you should call it off.

[Tamsen Webster]

Say that again.

[Marie Forleo]

Sometimes the fact that you're putting it off is a sign that you need to call it off. So if you are generally a person who gets something done and there is one thing that you keep feeling resistance on, really slow it down. Check in with yourself and notice if your intuition is really trying to prevent you from moving ahead on something that your ego wants, but that is really not meant for you because it's going to cost you 10 times, 100 times more if you actually say yes to it. So that's just the unexpected side of procrastination that I don't think we talk about enough now when it comes to other shit that you're just like, I got to get this done. I feel like there's a gajillion tricks that any of us can use that can help you kind of move past. One of my favorites is, if possible, like, I remember wanting to work on my first book and I just, just hired a coach to read my work. Just having that, and it wasn't a ton of money, but just having someone that I was accountable to helped me get over the finish line because it just. That money was pain. I wasn't going to waste it. Another thing, and this is one of my favorite things, it's this methodology called this or nothing else. So let's say that you need to write a newsletter or create a social post. If you put yourself in a room, you remove everything from that room. Besides, the only thing that you need to get done, and this is the rule, you can only do that one thing or nothing else.

[Tamsen Webster]

Oh, my gosh.

[Marie Forleo]

You can't look at a phone. You can't look or scroll online. You can't surf the web. You can't make a phone call. And let's say you give yourself an hour, whatever the time frame would be that's appropriate for the task or even to move on the task. You don't even have to complete it, but just get some progress. It is remarkable how well this works because most of us hate sitting and doing nothing. And if you could keep your word between you and you, like, it's either this or nothing else. Yeah, you'll make progress.

[Tamsen Webster]

That's different. Because I feel like I indulge in wasting time sometimes. Like I really do. I really find myself indulging in that.

[Marie Forleo]

Which is so in our culture right now, especially here in the States, we are so enculturated to be productive. 24 7, 365. Right. And if you have a little guilty pleasure or if you're going around, you know, somewhere online or reading a book or doing something that's like. Like frivolous, that it's a guilty pleasure, and I call on that.

[Tamsen Webster]

Okay, good. I like that. Then I'll. I'll take that.

[Marie Forleo]

I'll tell you this one of my favorite things, and I talk about this a lot. Like, I love real estate porn. I just love real estate. I love looking at it.

[Tamsen Webster]

You're my husband.

[Marie Forleo]

Oh, my God. I love seeing interiors, like, here in Manhattan and New York City. I'm constantly, always searching for more light. Like, I just. I love it. I don't have a lot of shoes. I don't have a lot of material things, but I really love decor and real estate. And I remember one day I went to an open house, and I thought to myself, this is, like, the stupidest thing. Why am I doing this? Like, I don't have time for. You know, I had that whole narrative. I should not be doing this right now. Meanwhile, fast forward a little bit. I wound up making a real estate purchase and doing a renovation. And all of the bids were coming in from all these different contractors that were crazy expensive because the open house I went to, Serendipity, had it that I got a text message from that broker who introduced me to of a contractor who literally saved me, Tamsin, hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[Tamsen Webster]

Oh, my gosh.

[Marie Forleo]

It literally came out of the blue at the precise moment that I needed it. And there was no logical explanation for why this connect came through. And I'm telling you, I'm like, thank God to pass Marie for indulging in the shit that felt good when it felt good, and quote, unquote, wasting time on things that brought me joy.

[Tamsen Webster]

I like that permission, though. That's. We feel like if we do that, something else is gonna pull that. Be pulled out from under us.

[Marie Forleo]

No, but I'm telling you, the more I've been experimenting with this stuff of, like, how much fun can I have? And only saying yes to the things that my body is like, oh, like, that's it.

[Tamsen Webster]

Do you feel it now? Do you feel different? Is this Marie different than 10 years ago?

[Marie Forleo]

This Marie is so much better than her 10 years ago. It's crazy pants. Like, I'm a little. I'm not afraid. I'M like, excited. I'm like, strap yourself in, put the roll bar down. What else is coming? Because I used to be so high strung and I again, I was doing the best that I could. Right. That I knew how. But now I feel like I know so much more and that it can be so much easier. And that's part of what I want to share with people. I'm like, oh my God, we don't have to kill ourselves.

[Tamsen Webster]

Well, let's talk about that. Let's talk about the non hustle culture, because I do think that you are talking about that more than anybody else has. And I think some people talk about it, but then still do the opposite.

[Marie Forleo]

Right? Behind closed doors.

[Tamsen Webster]

Behind closed doors, yeah. And so how do you do that? How do you begin that? I feel like someone's going, okay, Tamsin, you know, I got kids, I got to do this, I got to do that. You know, I'm coming up on 50. That's my, my next chapter. I don't know what I'm going to do. I was in this job for 20 years and I want to start something else. How do I switch over? It's not that easy.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes. Okay, well, first of all, let's be real about it. It's not that easy.

[Tamsen Webster]

No, it's not. It's not that easy.

[Marie Forleo]

Like, no one's, I'm not going to sit here and try and shoot rainbows and unicorns up your butt. You know what I mean?

[Tamsen Webster]

It's just like, it's not quitting your job and seeing what happens next.

[Marie Forleo]

No. And so one of the things that I've done really well in my career, and I'm very proud of this, we've helped over 80,000 people start and grow businesses. And, and the vast majority of those humans are women. So I know very intimately how challenging it is because we are still the ones that are responsible for everything. I know most often the breadwinners. Very often the breadwinners. You know, and whether it's kids, spouses, parents, everything in between, we often take on it all.

[Tamsen Webster]

Did those women start with an idea?

[Marie Forleo]

Some of them did. Like, we've had people come through our doors, specifically around B school that are just like, like, I don't know. I just know I'm supposed to be an entrepreneur. Like, but I know I'm supposed to do this. How do I come up with ideas and help them create ideas, vet their ideas, test their ideas and start making money? And then we have a lot of people that show up that have been in that side Hustle for a while or running a small business, but they hit a plateau and they're like, shit's not working. But I know it could work. Like, I need some help. So we do well with both of those populations. And it doesn't matter where you're starting. If you have a desire to make your thing work and you're not someone who's like, I need to raise a gajillion dollars in venture capital, like, if you need to do that, I'm not your person. Right. But if you're someone who's a kitchen table, garage, scrappy, bootstrappy person, I'm your girl. I think that knowing that you want to go on this entrepreneurial journey and being able to be willing to define what success looks like for you, that's probably step one. And then we can teach you the frameworks. We can teach you how to do it. Simply, we can teach you how to do it. And I'm not afraid of this term. Like, I want freedom. Freedom is my number one value. And so many women that I've met, they want to build businesses that don't swallow them up.

[Tamsen Webster]

What does freedom mean to you?

[Marie Forleo]

For me, freedom is being able to do what I want, when I want, with whom I want, and not worry about looking on the right side of the menu, like, do you know what I mean? Because I used to.

[Tamsen Webster]

I do know. I know.

[Marie Forleo]

And so I didn't even look at a menu.

[Tamsen Webster]

We didn't go to restaurants, you know, we didn't.

[Marie Forleo]

Didn't totally.

[Tamsen Webster]

When you look at that. And we've got women that are, you know, juggling a thousand things, and maybe this is their next chapter of their lives. Right. So it's something they've wanted to do for a long time, I guess. Where do you begin with that? Where do you begin with helping them? Because the frameworks, I want people to feel like it's. It's not that frightening or intimidating because I, for one, don't have a business background. I'm a journalist.

[Marie Forleo]

Neither do I. I don't have a business background either.

[Tamsen Webster]

Yeah, I had no idea. And so. But. But that's what I like that you teach. Because I'm not afraid of what you teach. Yeah, I'd be afraid if someone told me to go get my master's degree.

[Marie Forleo]

It would also be wildly, at this point, I think, largely outdated for many of us, not all of us, but it would also cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars and, like, tons of time. So I think starting and knowing that you have an idea for a product or a service. And if it's really rooted in wanting to make a difference to people, whatever that product or service or idea is, I think that's the starting line. If you have that, if your heart's in the right place, we can teach you all the frameworks. Like, you don't have to learn to become the world's best entrepreneur.

[Tamsen Webster]

Right.

[Marie Forleo]

But you do need to understand, in my opinion, something about modern marketing, sales, digital marketing, to be able to do this. Because here's the great news, it is easier than ever. The tools have never been this accessible, audiences have never been this successful. And here's what's cool. You don't need a gajillion followers or fans in order to have a highly successful and profitable and freedom based business. And that's what I really want people to hear. And it takes a lot of courage to be able to define what success looks like for you. But we help you do that and then we just teach you how to get your attention off yourself and like, oh, what are people gonna think of me? And really stay focused in a really smart business sense. How to define your ideal customer, how to create offers for them that they'll be like, oh my God, where have you been all my life? Here's my credit card. And how to build relationships and trust in a really genuine way in this very strange online world that feels, feels very good to your heart, that feels authentic to your values and that has you execute in a way where you feel proud of what you're creating.

[Tamsen Webster]

Like that's the big thing.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

Feeling proud and not feeling like you're.

[Marie Forleo]

Schlepping or like snake oil to everybody. I was just gonna say. And that's. I'm probably like, without being an arrogant asshole. The best in the world at teaching women that.

[Tamsen Webster]

I agree. I don't think you're an arrogant asshole. I think you're brilliant. I think you're the OG of that.

[Marie Forleo]

Thank you. There's so many things I don't know how to do. There's so many things I'm not good at. But this particular.

[Tamsen Webster]

But you do it in such an elevated way, I have to tell you that. Do you think that people should be looking at more than one revenue stream right now?

[Marie Forleo]

You know what? I think it depends. I think it depends on what kind of business that you have. Like, you know, if you're running an E comm business and you're selling clothing versus someone who's got a software business versus someone who has services. Like if they're A massage therapist. You know what I mean? I think it really depends on the context and it also depends on this. What's your bandwidth? Yeah. Meaning like how much support, if any, do you have? What's your comfortability with technology, I. E. AI or anything else? So I never like to give a blanket statement because it's so contextual. And once we understand a few foundational pieces, then we're able to guide you in a much more appropriate way for what's going to match your bandwidth and what's going to match your goals. Because what success looks like for you, Tamsin, right now at this stage and season of your life. Life is probably going to be different than someone who's maybe perhaps in her 70s in a different part of the world or in her 30s, and she's got a whole new or a different set of life circumstances to navigate.

[Tamsen Webster]

So I want to talk to you about Dream Business Boot Camp.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

And also, I don't know where I remember hearing this and it might have been you on a podcast, but you were talking about you are not a clutter person.

[Marie Forleo]

Oh.

[Tamsen Webster]

And I'm not either. And I was like, oh, can we talk about that? Because I feel like there's a lot of. Of clutter and noise out there. And I guess that kind of goes into like time genius as well.

[Marie Forleo]

Yeah.

[Tamsen Webster]

So can you talk about your organizational strategies? Because I'm always looking to have that conversation.

[Marie Forleo]

So, Dream Business Bootcamp. So as we were talking about this program B school, we've had 80,000 people help them start and grow their business. I'm always trying to help people get started or at least give them education and frameworks. I'm like, look, if you never even work with me, how can I help you get results? I'm actually addicted to helping people win. I love that. That's the thing that. That fires me up inside. So Dream Business Bootcamp is this free three day virtual online bootcamp where I'm going to help you, especially if you have a business go from what I call a scream business, which just makes you want to pull your hair out, there's not enough money. Or like, should I throw the talent and quit this damn thing into a dream business, which is where your revenue is predictable, where you actually have systems and like, again, nothing is rainbows and unicorns all the time, of course, but where the vast majority of the time you're getting paid what you're worth and you're building and shaping your business around your ideal lifestyle, not feeling like you're a slave to it so dream business bootcamp. It's. We help you assess where you are. I teach you some of my best frameworks to free. So even if we don't work together, I want you making more money faster because it's possible. There's tons of opportunity in this world, but you got to get over and get out of the chaos and the overwhelm, and you need to be focused, and you need to have a simple strategy that you can execute that's so important.

[Tamsen Webster]

And I think about women that are especially in this stage of life. I'm 55 now, and a lot of the women I talk to want to do something that feels good to them.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

You know, it feels like it's purposeful, and they feel like. Yeah, they feel like what you're talking about helping other people or, you know. You know, I talk about perimenopause and menopause a lot, but that moves into reinvention and they want to help other people do this, but don't know where to be begin themselves. Yeah.

[Marie Forleo]

Come to dream.

[Tamsen Webster]

Okay, so when that starts, when that's.

[Marie Forleo]

February 10th, 11th and 12th.

[Tamsen Webster]

Okay.

[Marie Forleo]

Totally free. You don't have to show up at a certain time and just. We'll put the links right in the show notes. People can come check it out 100 free. You can have a great time. You'll learn so much, and it will give you those first steps to clarity and to execution that you need.

[Tamsen Webster]

And then you can find out about B School.

[Marie Forleo]

Of course. Yeah, it's great because it's a preview. I mean, if you like the way I teach, you can come join us for B School. We'll let you know all about it. If you don't, you're still going to learn a ton and you can still go take action on all of it.

[Tamsen Webster]

Let's talk about organizational strategies and what you do for that, because that's time. Genius, right?

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

All right.

[Marie Forleo]

So, I mean, that comes from. Honestly, Tamsin, from me being so burned out. This is probably back in the 20. 19. 20, 20 times.

[Tamsen Webster]

Okay.

[Marie Forleo]

Where I just felt like I was waking up every day and all of my old tricks weren't working anymore. Like, meaning meditation, working out, journaling. I just found myself so exhausted and so just like, oh, my God, I hate my life life. I hate my business. Like, my tagline is helping people create a business and life they love. And I'm like, I don't. I somehow created a business and life I don't love. How did we get here? So I realized I don't even picture you like that.

[Tamsen Webster]

I'm so glad you're being so, like, vulnerable about that. Sucks to feel like that.

[Marie Forleo]

Oh, it's. It's an awful feeling. And I think we all maybe find ourselves there.

[Tamsen Webster]

Sure.

[Marie Forleo]

At least once. If not maybe certain times in our life when our soul is craving a next evolution. And for me, it certainly was. And I realized that I was like, I have a really dysfunctional relationship with time. No matter how hard I push myself, I always feel like it's not enough. I remember looking at my couch and wishing, hoping that it would be okay. It was in the middle of the afternoon that I could go lay down on it. But in my mind, it was like, nope, you gotta call your parents. You gotta resume the designs. You know, you got, like, five people waiting for texts, and, you know, if you stop, yeah, the whole shit's gonna fall apart. This is terrible. Anyway, it took me having, like, a huge tumor growing outside of my uterus and, you know, just a shit show from a health perspective to actually slow down.

[Tamsen Webster]

Is that what it took?

[Marie Forleo]

Yes, that's what it took.

[Tamsen Webster]

Mama goes back to your health.

[Marie Forleo]

It goes back to. I mean, I feel like in my life and for many of us, especially if you're ambitious, you're driven. And again, many of us are driven by fear. You can override your body until your body takes you out and says, if you're not gonna listen to the whispers, here comes a brick. Now you sit with it.

[Tamsen Webster]

Did you know that's what happened?

[Marie Forleo]

Oh, it definitely happened. Yeah, I knew it. And it was necessary. Cause nothing was gonna take me down, Nothing was gonna slow me down until it physically did. Massive pain. And I just discovered that there was just. Basically, we're living in this modern world where everyone. It's terrible for our nervous systems. Everyone is overwhelmed. Everyone's feeling pulled in a gajillion different directions, and we're starting to lose ourselves. We're losing our ability to think clearly and critically. We're losing our ability to experience joy. Our lives are passing us by. This is a stat that blew my mind right now. The average American. Get this. Will spend the equivalent of 44 years of their lives looking at screens.

[Tamsen Webster]

No.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

44 years.

[Marie Forleo]

44 years of our lives looking at screens. If we stay on track with this. And I read that stat when I was doing the research to create this program. And I was like, that's me. If I don't get my shit together, if I don't step away from, like, I don't want that for my Life. And for everyone listening, it's like your purpose on this planet is not to spend 44 years of your life looking at a screen. And there's a whole other way. So I talk about in this time genius program, there's this paradigm of time stress, which is what most people are living in. Never enoughness. And a paradigm of being a time genius, which is where I strive to spend most of my time now. And it's first a mindset shift that you have to go through where there's always time for what's most important. There's five core principles of the framework, but then it's all rooted in behavioral science, in neuroscience, and aligning your brain, your body and your actions so that you can, can thrive, not just succeed, because there's a difference. You can have the money, you can have the followers, you can start getting all the accolades and the this and the that and the invites. But if you are not thriving, if you're not happy, if there's no time for joy, if you can't rest without guilt, you are going to come to the end of your life and regret so much. And I didn't want to do that. So anyway, amen. Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

Really, you're right though. You're right. And if you talk to anybody. You know, I look at my 86 year old dad who's taken a pot class.

[Marie Forleo]

I love it.

[Tamsen Webster]

Bonsai trees in his house, guitar lesson. But I know he didn't do that all those years. But I see him now and I see that joy and I'm like, oh my gosh, that's what joy is. That's what actual joy is.

[Marie Forleo]

And we don't want to wait. Not that, I mean, I'm sitting here praising. Same thing with my dad, actually. I just, I was getting like little WhatsApp texts from him doing this art class and it's the sweetest.

[Tamsen Webster]

Oh, it's so nice.

[Marie Forleo]

But I was just taking a look at my own self and I'm like, I wasn't like who I was seeing in the mirror and honestly the feeling of depression and anxiety and lethargy. And again, I was like, there's a misalignment here between who I have been and who I want to be. And like the way I'm operating and pushing, it's, it's not sustainable.

[Tamsen Webster]

What does a day or week look like for you now?

[Marie Forleo]

Now it's like really spacious.

[Tamsen Webster]

Oh my goodness.

[Marie Forleo]

I'm definitely in a, in a phase of reinvention. I feel like the priority and this is the truth And I've written this down. I like to journal a lot.

[Tamsen Webster]

Yeah.

[Marie Forleo]

The truth for me is that now that I'm 50, I have recognized very clearly that in order to feel good in my body and to feel good in my life, I require a lot more maintenance and I require a lot more time on things that have absolutely nothing to do with work.

[Tamsen Webster]

Do they make you work stronger?

[Marie Forleo]

I think it makes me more magnetic. I think it makes me work on a much more easeful level. I think it actually makes me much more effective and joyful and happy overall. But it's like a different operating system, and I'm really excited for it. So, like, my weeks look really different right now. It depends on, like, what kind of projects I'm working on, but they have become so much more spacious and joyful, and I feel like I've become so much more. I've always been the queen of no. My team laughs at me because I'm a professional discipline.

[Tamsen Webster]

Have you really? I'm like. I've been the queen of yes. How do you become the queen of no?

[Marie Forleo]

We're gonna. We'll talk once we're complete. It's like, there's a star to this, but I do. I do it with kindness, and I do it with love. But it's like, my body truths are so undeniable at this point that I've learned. If I say yes to something that's not in full alignment, my ass is gonna get sick. It really is.

[Tamsen Webster]

Really.

[Marie Forleo]

I cannot override this vessel, the truth, anymore. It's like.

[Tamsen Webster]

I Love that.

[Marie Forleo]

Yeah.

[Tamsen Webster]

50 changes some things, huh?

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

It just. Yeah. I think it's a halfway point. If we live to 100. There's so many people living to past 100 now. So it really is the halfway point, which is really fascinating.

[Marie Forleo]

And we don't know, Right? And I think it's like. And here's the thing. I was actually talking to Josh about this this morning. It's this notion, like, first of all, what if you can't get your life wrong? Like, what if no matter what you do, that you couldn't make a mistake? And what if we were all heading to the same destination, which is aversion. When I say heaven, I don't mean in a dogmatic religious sense, but in a sense of, like, peace and connection and love and your idea of whatever, heaven, like, you're gonna get there no matter what, so no of stress or pushing is gonna be worth it. Like, you're not gonna get an extra gold star at the end of Your life? No, not at all. So for me, I'm like, how do I keep it cute? How do I keep it fun? How do I extract as much joy as possible? And how do I, in a joyful way, use these gifts to continue to help people, but in a way that does not punish myself in the process?

[Tamsen Webster]

Well, my friend, I could feel it. I could feel last time I saw you when I was on your podcast. I can feel it now. I can feel it from you. I love what you and Josh talk about in the morning. I think Ira and I just talked about, like, can you get me a cup of co. Oh, I did that.

[Marie Forleo]

I was. I was the coffee Maiden. Could you give me coffee this morning? Sometimes Josh does it for me. This morning I was definitely. I call it the Coffee Maiden. Like, I come in with the coffee and sometimes I do a little. He's like, can I get a dance? I'm like, you're asking too much now.

[Tamsen Webster]

It's too much. No, no, no. It's a Wednesday. Those are only Friday. For the woman who is listening right now, who's at the edge of her next chapter.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

But kind of frozen.

[Marie Forleo]

Yes.

[Tamsen Webster]

What do you want her to know on the day she feels frozen?

[Marie Forleo]

I want you to know that your answers truly are within. I'm gonna give you a little mantra. I need mantras. Cause I have an ADHD brain and it helps me stay focused. Clarity comes from engagement, not thought. What does that mean? If there is any inclination in your heart for something that sounds delightful, interesting that you're curious about, it could even make you feel a little bit scared. I want you to go take action on it. I want you to take the class. I want you to make the phone call. Call. Book the trip. Have the time alone. Do the meditation retreat. Whatever it is that is stirring something in your heart or soul. Because that, in my belief system, is your higher self, your soul, giving you a breadcrumb to what is meant for you next. You don't have to have the whole plan. You don't need a five. Five year plans. Those are so irrelevant. Those will be so outdated.

[Tamsen Webster]

Oh, my God, you're so.

[Marie Forleo]

Trust the impulse that is coming within you now because. Because in my experience, that is your next step towards healing and clarity. And your body will give you feedback when you do that thing right. Whether it's a meditation retreat. If you're like, do I wanna become a yoga teacher? Like, whatever it is, go do it. Don't do surveys about it online. Don't talk about it with your friends. Because your body will speak to you very gently, very softly and very clearly about what your next step will be. But trust that it's there. It's within you. Already ready? We're cheering you on. It's fucking figureoutable. I wrote a book on it. Get it, I promise you. And enjoy the ride while you do it.

[Tamsen Webster]

You're amazing. I think Fuck the five Year Plan might be your next book.

[Marie Forleo]

I love you, Marie.

[Tamsen Webster]

I really do.

[Marie Forleo]

Thank you so much.

[Tamsen Webster]

Thank you so much. All right, lady. I mean, you heard it here, right? If you're having the now what moment, if you have questions about what's going on or what's next, everything is figureoutable. Even if you can't see the whole path yet, the next step will reveal itself. I feel like this is one of those episodes people are gonna listen to over and over again. Cause there were so many nuggets. If you want more on Marie, which I know you will, I will link everything that we talked about in the show notes so you have all that information. If this episode resonated with you, please share it with a friend. Take a moment, please leave a review. It helps more women find these conversations and move into their next chapter with more clarity and confidence. And thanks for listening. I'll see you next time on the Tamsen Show. Today's podcast is sponsored by Midi Health. So many of you know this, but I was dismissed over and over again when I was struggling with perimenopause symptoms. I didn't even know I was in perimenopause. It is so important you're getting care from someone that specializes in women in midlife and that they're willing to have the hormone therapy conversation with you. I get questions from you every single day about where to go for support and I'm always suggesting Midi Health. It's covered by insurance and you don't even have to leave your house house. Ready to feel your best and write your second act script, visit join midi.comtamsen today to book your personalized insurance covered virtual Visit. That's join midi.com Tamsin Midi the Care Women Deserve LifeLock.

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