“It Can’t Rain Forever”: Kandi Burruss on Reinvention and What Comes Next

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Tamsen Show

Episode: “It Can’t Rain Forever” — Kandi Burruss on Reinvention and What Comes Next

Host: Tamsen Fadal
Guest: Kandi Burruss
Date: February 18, 2026

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Overview

In this dynamic and empowering episode, Emmy-winning host Tamsen Fadal sits down with multi-hyphenate superstar Kandi Burruss—Grammy-winning songwriter, entrepreneur, Broadway producer, performer, and reality TV staple. Their frank discussion centers on the secrets of continual reinvention, weathering personal and professional storms, harnessing confidence, and the practical realities behind Kandi’s relentless ambition. Aimed at women facing midlife transitions, the conversation is brimming with actionable advice, inspiration, and no-nonsense real talk about overcoming fear and taking up space—at any life stage.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. A Day in the Life: Discipline, Routine, and Family Anchors

• Kandi’s Work Ethic:
  • Typical days start as early as 3:30am for performances, vocal training, and fitness routines—even before the day officially begins.
    • “My vocal coach said I need to get up and get on the treadmill and wake my body up. So at 4am I was on the elliptical machine.” (Kandi, 03:22)
  • Physical health tangibly supports her creative and mental clarity, and she notes newfound energy with consistent workouts.
• Protecting Her Peace Amidst Scrutiny:
  • Navigating public scrutiny (especially amid her divorce), she acknowledges social media as both a platform for love and a breeding ground for criticism.
    • “I have people who love me, then I have people that hate me who can’t wait till I mess up or do something that they can drag me for.” (Kandi, 04:19)
• Non-Negotiables and Family Rituals:
  • A daily pep talk with her kids:

    “I say, ‘Are you ready to conquer the day?’ And they say, ‘Yeah’... I’m good at being my own cheerleader. I’m trying to teach them the same...” (Kandi, 06:51)

  • Ages of her children: Ace (almost 10), Blaze (6), Riley (23), and bonus daughter Kayla (29).

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2. The Power and Path of Reinvention

• Early Ambitions and Breaking In:
  • Didn’t consider music a viable career until 9th grade; formative influences included Atlanta’s early ‘90s R&B boom.
    • “Some kids grow up... like ‘I want to be a singer’... but it didn’t sound like a real possibility...”
• Prayers Manifesting Dreams:
  • Achieved her prayer: hit record before graduating high school (“Just Kickin’ It”).
    • “I prayed every day, ‘Dear God, please bless our group to get a record deal and let us have a hit record before I graduate.’ And it happened exactly that way.” (Kandi, 10:46)
• Longevity over ‘One Hit’:
  • Determined not to become a one-hit wonder or a cautionary tale.
    • “I did not want to be a one hit wonder. I did not want to be one of those child stars that go broke.” (Kandi, 12:01)

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3. Songwriting and Storytelling for Women

• Songwriting as Therapy:
  • Draws from real life—especially relationships—for her anthems.
    • “I vent in my songs... I pull that inspiration and make a hit with it.” (Kandi, 16:01)
  • “No Scrubs” was inspired by a past relationship.

    “It was a guy I had dated... Now, mind you, he’s gone on to do great things himself...” (Kandi, 16:35)

• Breakthrough with “No Scrubs”:
  • Initially written for Kandi and Tiny, but given to TLC after LA Reid’s interest; the decision changed her career.

  “No Scrubs is the gift that keeps on giving... it opened up the door for me to be able to write for so many other people.” (Kandi, 15:03)

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4. Reality TV, Accountability & Business Acumen

• The Real Housewives Years:
  • Joined with reluctance but stayed for 14 seasons and multiple spinoffs.

    “I was on there for 14 seasons and like seven spinoffs.” (Kandi, 21:28)

  • Used the show’s timeline to turn ideas into action:

    “If I even mentioned wanting to do something at the beginning of filming, it was my intention to have it done... by the time we were done filming.” (Kandi, 22:49)

• ‘No Time’ is Not an Excuse:
  • Calls out busy-women inertia, challenging excuses around lack of time or resources.

    “Saying that you don't have enough time is really just an excuse...” (Kandi, 24:05)

  • Start before you’re perfect and use accountability—public or private—to fuel action.

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5. Entrepreneurial Life & Breaking Taboos

• Business Portfolio:
  • Bedroom Kandi (sexual wellness):

    “I was before my time, especially like in the black community, it was hush hush to talk about sex openly...” (Kandi, 31:22)

  • Candy Coated (cosmetics): An extension for her salesforce and audience.
  • Advocates for open conversations about sexual health as a normalized, empowered space for women.

    “A woman who wasn’t necessarily a porn star... saying, hey, yes, we like to have sex and we need to be able to experience an orgasm too.” (Kandi, 31:37)

• Advice for Would-Be Entrepreneurs:
  • Fear of judgement is the biggest limiter.

    “A lot of the things that we don’t do is by fear of what other people think. … and I say f*** ‘em.” (Kandi, 32:48)

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6. Personal Growth, Resilience, and Forward Motion

• Embracing the Storms:
  • “It can’t rain forever.” (Kandi, 37:02)
  • Kandi openly discusses the hard seasons (personal and professional), emphasizing resilience and persistence.

  “Lately, I feel like I’ve been going through a stormy season. But, honey, summer is coming.” (Kandi, 37:02)

• Leaving Doors Open:
  • Not shutting the door on Real Housewives, but now prioritizing new challenges, and refuses to be put in any professional box.

7. Broadway—Full Circle, Onstage and Offstage

• Broadway Journey:
  • Started in musical theater as a youth; re-ignited that dream in adulthood.
  • Has performed (Chicago, Newsical, & Juliet) and produced (Thoughts of a Colored Man, The Piano Lesson, The Wiz, Othello, Joe Turner’s Come and Gone).

    “Now I’ve produced four Broadway shows... and now I’m about to do Joe Turner’s Come and Gone. So that’s five.” (Kandi, 38:36)

• Performer and Producer:
  • Deliberately maintains a role in both creative and business sides to avoid typecasting.

    “I wanted to remind them I can be talent or I can produce. … Either or, not one or the other.” (Kandi, 39:20)

  • Is currently starring in & Juliet (playing Angelique) while producing Joe Turner’s Come and Gone, starring Taraji P. Henson and Cedric the Entertainer.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On daily discipline:

  “My vocal coach said I need to get up and get on the treadmill and wake my body up. So at 4am I was on the elliptical machine.” (Kandi, 03:22)

• On inspiration and persistence:

  “It’s not just about getting it, it’s about keeping it. Longevity is the hardest thing to maintain in the entertainment [industry].” (Kandi, 11:52)

• On launching new chapters:

  “Stop thinking you have to be perfect on day one... the reason why I figured that out quickly [on Housewives] is because the audience was my accountability partner.” (Kandi, 25:49–26:16)

• On taboo topics and self-acceptance:

  “A lot of the things that we don’t do is by fear of what other people think... and I say f*** ‘em.” (Kandi, 32:48)

• On resilience:

  “I always say, it can’t rain forever. … Lately, I feel like I’ve been going through a stormy season. But, honey, summer is coming.” (Kandi, 37:02)

• On happiness as the end goal:

  “I’m still figuring it out... but what I do know is, the major factor in that is happy. I’m gonna be happy in whatever I do.” (Kandi, 45:16)

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Highlighted Segments & Timestamps

• Morning Routine, Vocal Prep, and Social Media Challenges: [03:00–06:31]
• Parenting Pep Talk & Self-Cheerleading: [06:31–08:36]
• Origin Story and Early Career: [09:23–13:12]
• Songwriting Breakthrough (“No Scrubs”) and Grammy Moment: [13:12–16:00]
• Empowering Women through Lyrics & Personal Stories: [16:00–17:07]
• Transition to Reality TV & Housewife Accountability: [19:48–22:49]
• Making Dreams Happen—No Excuses: [24:05–26:15]
• Sexual Wellness Entrepreneurship, Breaking Silence: [30:14–32:10]
• Resilience, “It Can’t Rain Forever” & Facing Storms: [36:22–37:24]
• Broadway Dreams: Performing and Producing: [37:24–44:06]
• On Happiness and Next Steps: [45:16–46:34]

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Advice and Takeaways for Listeners

• Hype yourself up daily; instill self-confidence rituals for yourself and your family.
• Don’t wait for rock bottom—start researching and acting on your ideas now, even if you feel unprepared.
• Accountability (from others or yourself) is key to making goals reality.
• Don’t let fear of judgement prevent you from pursuing what matters most, personally or professionally.
• Prioritize your joy and fulfillment—success means little without happiness at its core.

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Conclusion

Kandi Burruss exemplifies continual reinvention, fearlessly embracing new chapters while resiliently weathering every storm. Her approach—equal parts discipline, vulnerability, confidence, and straight talk—provides listeners with tangible inspiration and practical advice for building one’s “second act,” and refusing to be boxed in by their past or by others’ expectations.

Follow Kandi to join her journey of reinvention, and stay tuned for her latest projects on Broadway and beyond.

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For more insights and updates, follow @thetamsenshow and @kandi on social media.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Yes. I was looking at the trajectory of your career and I'm like, you have done everything I feel like, and I feel like you think there's still so much more left to do.

[B]

I do, yes. Yes, of course.

[A]

Well, let's talk about, first of all, you're so busy all the time. What does your day look like? How do your mornings start most days? How do you even do it?

[B]

Well, today started at 3:30am I had to sing this morning. I had to sing on the View this morning. And we were doing a song from Aunt Juliet. But in the morning time, I normally wake up sounding like a man. Like, so my vocal coach said I need to get up and get on the treadmill and wake my body up. So, so at 4am I was on the elliptical machine. And then, you know, I did vocal training and then, you know, all the things, the hair, the makeup, interviews back to back, you know, running around and all of the rest of that is kind of normal. The back to back interviews going here, there, everywhere.

[A]

That's before the day starts. That's kind of before the day starts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I had no idea. You have to wake up. Your voice though, like, I mean, I don't want to get on a treadmill at 3:30 in the morning and I don't think anyone wants to hear me sing.

[B]

This is, you know, I haven't had to sing early in the morning in a long time. And so I was really stressed about it, to be honest.

[A]

You were? Why?

[B]

What? Cause first of all, I feel like I'm at this place in my life where, you know, social media has taken over. Right. I feel like my name is in a blog every other day. And you know, I have people who love me, then I have people that hate me who can't wait till I mess up or do something that they can drag me for. So I was like, ah, ah, this performance has to be on point. And so I was like, okay, morning time performing. I don't know about all of that. So was it on point? Yes.

[A]

Good. I'm so happy.

[B]

I'm so happy. He was right. I felt energized. I felt better just by getting up and working. And I have been working out more lately. Yeah, so I noticed. I've been feeling the change.

[A]

It does feel different, doesn't it, when you do it? I think, well, for me, I like to want to just check it off my list and get it done so I don't have to dread it all day long. But it does make my head feel better.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay. How do you protect your piece with that? If you are. You're. Are you aware, I guess you're aware that if you're in blogs and stuff, do you pay attention to that, though? I feel like you've got to really protect yourself with everything you're doing.

[B]

Well, I've been trying, but it's like I can't even lately, especially with, you know, going through divorce. I can't even, like, open an app without, you know, immediately being hit with some. Something where somebody is saying something about us or something. And it's not really all good either right now.

[A]

You gotta stop reading that. You gotta stop reading it, please.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But you got a smile on your face.

[B]

I do.

[A]

And you're in a safe space, I promise.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

But I get it. I mean, I think we go through these changes and we go through these transitions in our life. And I really mean what I said when I started this. Like, you have reinvented and gone into these new chapters over and over, whether there are haters, but you have a huge fan base because I see that too, and I hope you see that.

[B]

Oh, no. Do you pay attention to that? Do you pay more attention to the love than the hate and. Cause that's the only way you can, like, really function is like, you know, block, delete anything negative and move forward with the people who do show you love because they're the ones that, you know, matter, of course, your family, because they're gonna love you anyway. But yeah.

[A]

Do you have non negotiables for your routine every day in the morning and what you do to protect that piece and make yourself, like, get through because you're busy.

[B]

You're not just negotiables. Okay, so, like, my everyday thing is, like, with my kids, regardless if I'm at home or out of town.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I gotta call them if I'm out of town, like now or if I'm at home right before they go to school. I have this thing I do. I say Are you ready to conquer the day? And they say, yeah. And I say, are you ready to conquer the day? And then they say, yeah. So we have to, like, for me, I'm good at hyping myself up.

[A]

Good.

[B]

I'm good at being my own cheerleader.

[A]

Good.

[B]

And I'm trying to teach them the same, that even when you don't feel like it, you got to go into it. Feeling like, I'm about to run this day, I'm about to conquer it. This is my day. I don't care what anybody says. And so we do that every day.

[A]

I love that. Where do. How old are your kids?

[B]

Well, you know, I have. You know, in marriage, you get. You had the ones that came, so I have my two younger ones, which are Ace, he's 9. Blaze is 6. What? Ace is about to be 10.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. And then Riley is 23, and my bonus throw to Kayla is 29.

[A]

Wow. I love that you hype them up, though, every day. And they look forward to that, I'm sure. Where'd you learn that? Did you have to always do that for yourself?

[B]

Yeah, it's just something I have to hype myself up for. Sure.

[A]

I feel like I want to do that. I feel like we need to do that.

[B]

Yeah. You ready?

[A]

I'm ready.

[B]

Are you ready to conquer the day? I'm ready. No, you got to say what I can.

[A]

You got it.

[B]

Like you about to go in a wrestling match.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes. Are you ready to conquer the day?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

See how you just said yeah?

[A]

Oh, I gotta do what?

[B]

Give it to me if my kids do. Yeah. I said, that's. You don't sound like you're okay.

[A]

Tell me.

[B]

And so. And I say it again, they say yeah. Because think about it. If you do that, even if you retire.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's gonna hype you up.

[A]

Yeah. Good God. Got. That was, like my cheerleading day. It's, like, way back.

[B]

But you're cheering for yourself.

[A]

But I'm cheering for myself. I feel like we gotta do that nowadays. Right. There's no question. So I remember interviewing you and talking to you and just remembering. I was like, wow, she's amazing. And not unstoppable. And, you know, I think a lot of people. I grew up knowing, you know, your music and where you started and to see where you are today. Did you always want to sing? Did you always want to be a singer? Was that the. Was that the North Star for you? Then?

[B]

I didn't realize it was possible until I would say ninth grade.

[A]

Okay, like, well, ninth grade's early.

[B]

No, ninth grade is. Yeah, it's definitely early, especially back then. But what I mean by that is, you know, some kids grow up from the time they're little, like, oh, I want to be a singer. I want to be an actress, or whatever. But it didn't sound like a real possibility. And if you said it out loud, people would be like, yeah, okay.

[A]

Okay. Go do your math homework.

[B]

When I went to high school, I started, you know, in the early 90s or whatever. And that was when Atlanta has just become, you know, started being like a place for R and B music, you know, because LaFace Records had moved down there. Jermaine Dupri had just started his production company, Dallas Austin. So all these people. So I think seeing other people that were from where I'm from, that were younger, that were starting to get record deals and stuff, it was just like, wow. And then I also. I had went to a performing arts school, and I met my group members in the ninth grade.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I didn't realize.

[B]

So that was when it was like. That was like. It became the dream.

[A]

Yeah. For all of you together. Okay. That's incredible.

[B]

And the dream was. And I used to pray every day, dear God, please bless our group to get a record deal and let us have a hit record before I graduate. And it happened exactly that way.

[A]

It did.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So how old were you when you had your hit?

[B]

We got our record deal when I was in the 11th grade, and our first song, Just Kicking it, came out the summer before my senior year started. So when I started my senior year, it was already at the top of the chart.

[A]

That's unbelievable. That's unbelievable. And then it just kept going.

[B]

Yeah, it was a blessing.

[A]

Well, it was incredible talent, too.

[B]

Well, yeah, but it's a lot of talented people out here. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[B]

It's a lot of talented people out here. And people say that all the time. Oh, it's talented. It's like, I know some of the most talented people that didn't necessarily make it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, you're right.

[A]

You're at fair. That is right.

[B]

You know, your blessings had to fall down on. Your stars had to align or however it is that whatever you. Your beliefs are, you know, things had to line up right for you for it to be able to come together at the right time. But it's not just about getting it, it's about keeping it.

[A]

Yeah. Yes.

[B]

Longevity is the hardest thing to maintain in the entertainment.

[A]

Did you always know that? Did you realize that early on?

[B]

No, I didn't realize that. But what I did realize was that I did not want to be a one hit wonder. I did not want to be one of those child stars that go broke. You know that you see this.

[A]

I know, I know.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? So, like, all of those things, I definitely realized.

[A]

You have songs that have lived with us forever that, like, you hear no Scrubs and you can't stop singing that through it. Literally, you were walking in. I still had it in my head. I'm like, I have to stop doing that before I go say hi to her, because it's gonna drive her crazy. Everybody probably does that.

[B]

Yeah, that was. But, you know, it's like. And that's the thing. It's like I always wanted to write songs. Like, I loved coming up with songs and different things when I was little.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

But, like, who knew that that would actually happen, you know, for me?

[A]

When did you realize that that was, like, just that was going to happen there for you?

[B]

Like I said, when our group, you know, we started or we got our first hit in while I was still in high school. But basically, at the time, Jermaine Dupri wrote most of our stuff, most of our hits, and he let us collaborate a little bit here and there, but not enough for me to say, Like, I feel like I take credit for it. Like, it was my idea. Like, I collaborated for sure. But, you know, I know the difference, especially now that I've written so many other songs. Like, when the person was really the one who came up with most of it, you know, I really wanted to do more. And I used to be like, please let me write. Please let me write. And he'd be like, okay, you know, give us a little piece here. Oh, you could write on this verse right here. You know, what happened was our group started being at odds. Like, we had kind of was falling apart going into our third album. One of our group members, you know, made it clear she wanted to go solo after that album. So we knew going into recording that third album that the group was, like, going to be on a hiatus. So I was like, telling my group member Tiny, I'm like, yo, we got to figure something out. Like, we can't just sit around and go broke, you know, I had just bought my first house, you know, and I had bills.

[A]

Yeah, you did.

[B]

Like, I had bills that nobody, nobody could help me. You know what I mean? I was only 19. Like, what am I going to do. So. So, you know, I told her. I was like, hey, maybe we should just do, like, a duet thing and let's, you know, start going to the studio and try to write some of our own music so we can present it to the label to see what they think and see, you know, they get our idea. So we started going into the, you know, studio with different producers. And. No, Scrubs was actually a song we had wrote for ourselves.

[A]

Oh, wow. Okay. Oh, wow.

[B]

Somebody had asked us about. Well, they had played it for L. A Reid. He wanted it for tlc. I was like, yeah, go ahead and let him have it, because we got more where that came from. And that changed my life for the best.

[A]

Yes, it did. That must have been such a whirlwind Grammy.

[B]

It was.

[A]

What do you remember at that time?

[B]

I remember. Okay, the first thing I remember is before the song ever came out, I saw Elliot Reid at a party, and he was like, I'm gonna make this song the biggest song of your career. And I was like, yeah, okay. Because in my mind, you know, our group, we had already had platinum records. We had already, you know, had some hits. So I'm like, you go do that. You're talking about the biggest song. Okay, cool. You know? But he was not lying. Like, no, Scrubs is the gift that keeps on giving. You know what I mean? It is. Much love to tlc. They did their thing with the song, performing it, and I will be forever grateful because it opened up the door for me to be able to write for so many other people.

[A]

So many other people. You know, you were right. You've written songs that are just make women feel very powerful in their own minds and give them confidence what was going on in your life during that time. And they're like, you know, anthems for women.

[B]

I'm just like, one of those people that I vent in my songs. Like, if I'm going through something typically, it may not be happening right now. It may be something that happened already.

[A]

Yeah, okay.

[B]

But I pull that inspiration and make a hit with it. So, yeah, a lot of the different relationships that I had in my young.

[A]

Days, those we can always pull inspiration from.

[B]

Yeah, I can go through some of the times, but. Oh, yeah, that one was when I was dating such and such, and he had made me mad. So I came up with this idea.

[A]

Where did Scrubs come from? No, Scrubs.

[B]

It was a guy I had dated back. Yeah. Now, mind you, he's gone on to do great things himself since then. Much love to him.

[A]

Does he know, this was. This was about him.

[B]

We've never talked about it.

[A]

Okay. We don't want to tell him.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

We'll leave that between us.

[B]

I think he knows, but, you know, it does. I mean, at this point, it doesn't matter. We were super young when we dated and it just gave me inspiration. Like, it was the perfect inspiration.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you to him.

[B]

Thank you to him. Always.

[A]

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[B]

I had my group member, Tiny, she was trying to come up with an idea for a talk show, her and some friends, and she wanted me to be a part of it, so. And that turned into us trying to come up with, like, a reality show idea.

[A]

All right.

[B]

I don't know. Anyway, in the midst of that, you know, we had some. It was like a network that was interested in it or whatever, and. But my friend Derek J. Who he's a hairstylist, he used to be on Bravo itself with his own show. Yeah.

[A]

I was like, I know that name.

[B]

Yes. So. But he was my friend before all that. So he was like, hey, they're looking for some new women for the Housewives. And I told them they need to call you. Cause you got your own. They need somebody with their own money. And I was like, I'm already doing something.

[A]

What were you doing then? What were you doing then?

[B]

I was supposed to be working on the idea with my friend.

[A]

Oh, the talk show idea. Okay, okay, okay.

[B]

With the idea that we had. So literally right after he and I had that conversation, probably within a week later, I found out that they no longer wanted me to be a part of that show.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I was sad about it, but I was still happy for her because she was still gonna be doing it. But then, like, the following week, the people from the Housewives reached out to me. It was like they wanted to interview me. Okay. So I was like, okay. In my mind, I was like, I don't really see myself with those women.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Nothing against them, but I didn't say see myself fitting in. But then I was like, okay. It could be something to do, you know, for a little while. Yeah, for a little while. Maybe like a year, you know, do one season and, you know, it could be fun.

[A]

How many seasons was it?

[B]

14.

[A]

14?

[B]

Yes, for a little while. So I came in on season two.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was on there for 14 seasons and, like, seven spinoffs. Seven like other spinoffs.

[A]

You learned so much during that because I did interview last time in the.

[B]

Middle of all of it.

[A]

But you were building businesses at the same time. You weren't just like, oh, I'm on the housewives. You were building businesses, producing Broadway shows, still performing. What did you learn from that show?

[B]

Okay. During the time that I was on the show, I felt like my very first year. I said, okay, this is not paying me enough money for all of this. And I said, if people gonna want to know my business, they're gonna know my business. Meaning you're gonna see what I can do, what I can make happen. What I learned during that show was how to make amazing things happen in a short timeline.

[A]

Oh, business wise or just in general?

[B]

Business wise, in general. Meaning. So, you know, we're filming six months. Right. I'm one of those type of people. I always want people to understand that I'm a woman of my word. I'm very dependable, and that's important to me.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So if I say I'm gonna do, ain't gonna be just talk, I'm gonna do it. So if I even mentioned wanting to do something at the beginning of filming, it was my intention to have it done or have a viable product or something that tangible that you could see by the time we finished filming, not the time it aired, but by the time we were done filming.

[A]

Wow. I mean, you put serious pressure on yourself to get those things done.

[B]

Exactly. But that's when I realized that they can get done. I think a lot of times we, you know, everybody has like, all these bright ideas and then we talk ourselves out and be like, oh, you know, going to take this many years. Oh, it's going to take so much money. Oh, it's going to take this. Oh, it's going to take that. When really half the time we don't even just go in to do the research to see what it would really take to make it happen.

[A]

How do you motivate yourself to do that? Because I think that's a. You know, we have a lot of women that are. That listen to the show, that are that talk a lot about reinvention, that want to do something different, that have great ideas, that, you know, maybe kids have grown up now and they've got some space for themselves in their life. If they. If they've never done something like that before and they don't, maybe they're not on a Housewives and they don't have the time frame, but they've got to self, you know, impose that. How do you. Have you ever taught that or shown that?

[B]

Here's the thing. I feel like saying that you don't have enough time is really just an excuse to talk yourself out. The idea.

[A]

You need to do a class on this.

[B]

You do. Okay.

[A]

You do.

[B]

I just feel like. Okay, so I myself, I'm a busy person. And for me to say. For you to tell me you don't have time. I don't want to hear, how do you.

[A]

Yeah, exactly, because you found me time.

[B]

You doing a show? I'm doing a show too. You got kids? I got kids, too. So what do you mean you don't have time? I mean, we got babysitters. We got this, we got that. It's like, we gotta start finding the resources, start thinking. Like, think about it. We figure out how to make something happen when we're at our bottom, when there's nothing else.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Why do we have to wait till we're at rock bottom to figure it out?

[A]

Yeah. Why do we do that?

[B]

Okay, so we have to start. It's like, all about, you know, start putting together a plan. Start figuring out, okay, let's start. Let's just do the basic research tomorrow not. Or today. Not like next year. Not. Keep talking about it like, I needed.

[A]

You here today for this, because I have a couple of those things in my mind. I needed to hear that today. Yeah.

[B]

Like. Like, let's think about it. If you. Let's say you have an idea that you've been having for years that you just never made the steps to do, it's like, okay, well, how much is it gonna cost to do that idea? Have you even checked? You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. If it's gonna cost a lot, is it possible to get investors? Do you mind partnering up with someone else who may have a little bit more knowledge in that lane than you do? You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So. Because everything doesn't have to be you by yourself doing it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Or perfect right away.

[B]

It doesn't have to be perfect right away. It's like, we start and we gotta make our mistakes, obviously. But then, as you know, we go. It's like, it gets better and better and better. So stop thinking you have to be perfect on day one. That's like. That's a big thing. But I feel like for me being on the show, the reason why I figured that out quickly is because the audience was my accountability partner.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

You see what I'm saying, yeah, I know if every year I talk about doing something and it never comes together, they gonna dog me out.

[A]

You're all talk.

[B]

Think about it. We got. It's so many women across the board of the Housewives that be talking about ideas for years, and we be like, well, when is it coming? I never wanted to be that person.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. And you've seen a lot of people come and go, too. From that show. Yeah, from all the shows.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where'd that entrepreneurial mindset come from for you?

[B]

I just think it was just in me. I don't know. My mom, you know, from the time my group got our deal. And, you know, obviously when I graduated, I was already doing music, so I didn't go to college. I didn't take the normal route. So my thing was always reading financial books and, you know, different things to try to figure out how do I not be that kid star that went broke. And now it's like you mentioned that twice.

[A]

You had to.

[B]

Because it was a fear. It was a real fear because, you know, I didn't. My mom, she was great. She gave me a great life. But, you know, she has some hustle in herself. You know what I mean? She a figure it out person. So do you. Right. And I feel like that I do take from my mom, but then I also had to remember I didn't have nobody that could afford the bills I started making for myself. Like, if things went wrong, I didn't have anybody I could call, like, hey, can you loan me $10,000 today? I didn't a lot of those type of people around me, so I had to stay on point.

[A]

Would you ever go back to Housewives?

[B]

And that's not on my bucket list right now. Like, right now, I have so many other dreams and goals now. What I will say about it is I love the audience of Bravo. I love the fans and all of that. So I love being. Having been a part of it. And so with that being said, what I say, I would never. No, I wouldn't say never. But I have a few more things that I'm really trying to accomplish right now. And I don't think. I think being on the show would be blocking me from going after the other bigger things that I want to do.

[A]

I like that because I do think we have to sometimes. Like, I don't say close the door, but I walk through the door to go to the next thing that you want instead of just continuing to hang.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like especially now that Riley is on Next Gen, I feel like I can still pop up on her show. Every blue moon.

[A]

Hey, we'll be looking.

[B]

Yeah, we'll be looking. Right now. It's like it's a couple of things I gotta make happen.

[A]

Can you share any of them?

[B]

Well, I mean, it's still in the works. Like being able to do this show right now. I wouldn't be able to be filming Real Housewives and do the show last year. Well, when I left, I had did a tour of the great, what was it? The R and B Divas. I mean, excuse me, Excuse me. I keep saying no Xscape and swv, Queens of R and B tour. And I wouldn't have been able to do that tour if I would have filmed because they were filming the same time I was on tour and we were hitting every city across the country, sold out shows.

[A]

How was that?

[B]

Amazing. And I'm so glad that I was able to experience that. I was so glad, you know, I did another season of the Shy. I was in reasonable doubt as an actress, you know, then I was, you know, started production. You know, I was a producer on Othello, which we broke records with. That. Yes. So I just feel like I've been able to really do a lot of other things and this year I wanted to travel more and do that and I've been doing that.

[A]

I know. I saw some of that on your Instagram.

[B]

Yeah, I wouldn't be able to do it if I was good for you.

[A]

You know, doing year 15. Doing 15 seasons. You've had a lot of. You have a lot of businesses too. Can you talk about some of those? Sure, yeah. Beauty business.

[B]

Yes. So Candy Coated cosmetics. It's an extension of Bedroom Candy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So Bedroom Candy, we've been doing it like 12, 13 years now.

[A]

It's been a long time. That started from the show though, right, because that was around the same time.

[B]

Well, yeah, while I was on the show, I had my little online show called Candy Coated Nights. Candy Coated Nights. And we talked about sex and relationships. And so I was thinking like, ooh, I need a product that would go well with the audience that is into Candy Co tonight. And so that's how Bedroom Candy came together. And I partnered up with my partner, Shout out to Suki and Brian, and they helped me develop all of that. And we've won awards for our products and everything. So that's been a great experience. Great. And we have our consultants and so we wanted to have more products for our consultants to be able to Sell through their company, their businesses. And we started the cosmetics side and it's been great.

[A]

That's incredible. You're way before your time almost with that, I think because all of a sudden now like sexual wellness and I mean, you know, I talk about menopause all the time, but all those things are part of that conversation.

[B]

That is so funny because I agree with you. I was before my time, especially like in the black community, it was hush hush to talk about sex openly. You know what I mean? It was kind of like.

[A]

You unhushed it.

[B]

But I felt like, I felt it was important that a woman who wasn't necessarily a porn star, just a woman, an everyday woman to say, hey, yes, we like to have sex and you know, we need to be able to experience an orgasm too. Because a lot of women aren't experiencing.

[A]

Or whispering about or not even talking about it. Yeah. Not even thinking about it.

[B]

Yeah. And you gotta understand that a lot of women, they may have questions, but they don't have a safe space. Safe space to feel like they can ask anybody those questions. Because back then when I first started it was like, oh, you're not supposed to talk about that out loud.

[A]

What did people say when you first started talking about that out loud? Were they surprised?

[B]

It was funny. I think people, I don't know how I made it. It made a lot of people feel a lot more comfortable.

[A]

Good.

[B]

And I think because like, look, I'm a mom, I'm a businesswoman, I'm a friend, I'm a good time. So it's like I just made people feel comfortable to have the conversation and I feel like it kind of just expanded from there.

[A]

Yeah. Do you have advice for women who don't feel comfortable talking about that, who, who want to start talking about it or start businesses that might, they might not feel comfortable doing?

[B]

Like, I think a lot of the things that we don't do is by fear of what other people think. I agree with that and I say fuck em.

[A]

Well, there's your book. There's your book in your class title.

[B]

Yeah. I'm just saying you gotta just like do things for you and not necessarily care about the opinions of others.

[A]

Have you learned to do that now?

[B]

Oh, I've been doing that. Like I've always been very. Just an open book, always with my friends and my family. Always been an open book. I think being on the TV show Housewives, obviously it just kind of like opened me up to the world and I never really been one to bite my tongue, but I'm always, I've always been a, like, I'm a normal person in a sense of like people always say. You say everything that I was thinking or, you know, you're not, I'm not over the top or crazy or anything. It's just like I'm just, I'm very comfortable in being me and very outspoken in that way.

[A]

But we'd all love to do that. That's a beautiful thing. That's a beautiful thing because it'll always guide you to what you really want in the end.

[B]

Because I mean, you gotta think it's like if you don't do something or you stop yourself from doing anything because of the opinions of friends, family, significant other people out in the world, social media, whatever it is, it's like you stopped yourself from having a great life.

[A]

Honey, you certainly will. And you will look back and wonder what happened with all those years.

[B]

Yeah. I am not a woulda, shoulda, coulda person. I do not believe in woulda, shoulda or coulda. Like, I hate when people be like, oh, that would've been great. Oh, I should have done this. Oh, I could have had. It's like, no, we're not doing that.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

You've been through real life, though, too. You've had, you know, ups and downs of real life happened to you, and you still keep moving forward and that. There's something very remarkable about that, too. You just. It hasn't. It hasn't all been handed to you. You've hustled in a lot of different parts of your life, in your personal life, in your business life. And, you know, and I always love to sit across from women that have done that. I turned 55 last week and. I know, I know.

[B]

What are we doing new for 55?

[A]

I need to do something. There's not going to be any shouldas there's going to be have done them.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

But, you know, we've had our scars. We've had battle scars. Like, there's no question about that. Have you learned a lot along the way about how to deal with that moving forward?

[B]

Well, you know, the battle scars are going to come. And I've said this before. I said on national tv, they keep clipping it. It's like I always say, it can't rain forever. You know what I mean? Yeah, I believe in that wholeheartedly. Lately, I feel like I've been going through a stormy season. But, honey, summer is coming.

[A]

Yes, it is. Yes, it is, my friend. Yes, it is. All right, let me take you to Broadway because you keep coming back to Broadway, and I love it. Thank you. I love it. I'm hopeful for you, for an egot, and I feel it.

[B]

Please.

[A]

I feel it in your future.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

And I want you to come back here the minute that. That. Well, not the minute, but after you have a night of, like, having a good time.

[B]

Thank you. You're right.

[A]

But what led you back to Broadway or to Broadway?

[B]

Well, I went to a performing arts school. Yeah. As a kid, and I always. Well, I was there for musical theater, and then I was in the Youth Ensemble of Atlanta, which was a musical theater company. And a lot of, you know, the people that I was in the company with, they've gone on to do great things in Broadway. So it was always like, that dream of mine that I was like, dang, I always wish, woulda, coulda, or shoulda, woulda, coulda. But then I was like, what's stopping me? I still can do it. Like, there's nothing to stop me. So that's when I. You know, years ago, I came back and I did. I went after it. I did Chicago on Broadway. That was my first tiptoe into it. Yeah. And then I started producing shows. But now I've produced four Broadway shows.

[A]

Four. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Thoughts of a Colored man, the Piano Lesson, the Wizard, Othello, and now I'm about to do Joe Turner's Coming Gone. So that's five.

[A]

It's amazing.

[B]

Thank you. But I don't want to get stuck in a box.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So I don't want people to.

[A]

Only, Kandi, no one's ever put you in a box.

[B]

That is not true.

[A]

Well, I'll make sure.

[B]

What I'm saying is, if you just only start producing shows for now, if you're no longer doing the Tamsen show, let's just say you only produce in other people's shows for, like, three years straight.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

People will start when they think of somebody to come host something, they're not going to think to ask Tamson. They're going to think of all these other people. So you have to remind them.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[B]

I wanted to remind them. I can be talent or I can produce beautiful. Either or not one or the other.

[A]

I love. See, you're so thoughtful about that, though. Most people will be like, I'm just happy that I'm doing this. I just did Othello, and I'm so happy about that. And that's. And that was, you know, off the charts.

[B]

I am elated about that. We broke records. You broke records. I still love being a performer as well, just as much as I love producing, because I love to produce. I love being behind the scenes and seeing how things work, you know, and. And seeing, okay, well, how we get this done and actually bringing things to life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I love that part. But I love being the creative, too.

[A]

Of course. And, Juliet, have you been in rehearsal now? Yes. How long is it? How long do you rehearse for?

[B]

This rehearsal lasts, like, three weeks.

[A]

I like how you say it. Like, that's a big, long time to me. I need, like, three years to rehearse something. I know. I know you don't get that.

[B]

I almost felt that way, too, because. It's okay. Aunt Juliet has so much, you know, you have all these hits by Max Martin. Then, you know, my character. I play Angelique. She's the nurse. She is, like, super close to Juliet in the show. So I have a lot of lines to learn. And it's a musical with a lot of dancing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I got a lot of dancing. So it's three things I gotta like. Oh, yeah. But. Yeah.

[A]

Are you loving it?

[B]

It's a challenge, but I'm loving it.

[A]

You were on stage with Chicago. On stage with this. Was there anything else with Broadway? You were on stage with that. I'm forgetting.

[B]

No, that was.

[A]

Those are the two.

[B]

No, I did off Broadway show Newsical, the musical. I did that one first, and then I was on stage for Chicago and Chicago. Everybody knows Chicago's amazing. It's been on Broadway forever. You know, it's like a must see.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But the thing about it is, I played Mama Morton, and Mama Morton comes out and she has this big song, and she does it. But she doesn't do a lot of dancing.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Okay. Oh, she doesn't have to do a lot of. So now.

[A]

Now you're dancing.

[B]

Being Angelique, I have to do a lot of dancing. I gotta do a lot of singing. I gotta do a lot of acting.

[A]

Do you love it? All at the same time?

[B]

All at the same time.

[A]

Are you loving it?

[B]

Oh, yeah, I am. It's been a challenge, but a great challenge.

[A]

It's incredible. So I'm just gonna tell you, I did this walk on. On Broadway in Chicago as the emcee open. Yes. Don't get impressed by it. But I just did the. I did it. I had, like, two days of rehearsal, but just that little thing and dancing for maybe 10 seconds took me out for a week of my life of, like, that was all I had to focus on. Like, I had to get it right and hit. Yeah. I mean, it's. You know, it's a live audience, and so I am beyond impressed with what you're doing.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Is there any one part of the show that you. That you like best? I'm thrilled at how successful that show is.

[B]

I think the overall show is, like, nonstop. Like, if you're in the audience from the time the show starts to the end, they have your attention. You want to be up on your feet singing every song.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But for my character. Oh, my gosh. It's. I have three big songs that are, like. Mainly me. Like, I'm singing all throughout the show. And, you know. Cause it's a lot of, you know, you do a part Here. And I come back in and, you know, back and forth. But the songs where it's like, mainly me, it's like three of them. And out of those perfect is probably someone's obvious answer, but oops, I did it again. Oh, yeah. I love it. It's good. The dancing is good.

[A]

All of it.

[B]

All of it.

[A]

It's gotta make the. And it makes the crowd go crazy, I'm sure. So you're producing in one theater and you're on stage on the other theater. Is that how that's working?

[B]

So what's happening is.

[A]

Okay. And for people that are not familiar with Joe Turner's come and gone. Can you just talk a little bit about who's in there?

[B]

Yes. So, okay, so Joe Turner's Come and gone. So I'm a producer on that show. It's starring Taraji P. Henson. Yes. And Cedric the Entertainer. And they are amazing. I love them, and I'm fans of their work. Right.

[A]

Have you worked with either one before?

[B]

Did I work? I. I felt like I've been on, like, had a small part on something that Cedric the Entertainer was doing before. I can't quite remember what happened, but that was a long time ago. But not in a significant way, like now, but. And then now I'm performing in and Juliet. But basically how it's going to work is I'm in and Juliet from December 11th to March 8th.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then the first day of previews for Joe Turner's coming on doesn't start until, like, March 29th. Where's my phone? So you have a week, March 20th? Yeah, I got, like, two weeks, but I'm not in it. So it's different when I can just be behind the scenes and they're in rehearsals while I'm performing in this show. So I will be able to go by the rehearsals and make sure everything is. Everybody's good. I'm there if they need me, you know, doing whatever I need to do for them. And then at night, go perform. And Angelique.

[A]

So nobody better tell you they don't have time for something.

[B]

Do not tell me that. Like, okay, do not work for me if you're one of those people that like, oh, I'm so tired. Oh, this. Oh, I hate a complainer. I hate a complainer. And then if you have the nerve to tell me you're tired and I'm sitting there, like, really?

[A]

No room for that here.

[B]

Yeah. No.

[A]

What does the next version of Candy look like? Oh.

[B]

The next version of Candy. I don't know. I'm still figuring it out. You know, I don't want to act like I know right now because right now I'm going through a transitional stage of my life. So I'm still figuring out what that looks like. But what I do know is the major factor in that is happy. I'm gonna be happy in whatever I do with the people that I'm around. Everybody, the presence I bring is gonna bring joy. I think women, that's all that matters.

[A]

It is all that matters. Have you learned that over time in life, or is it something that's gotten more important as you've. As you've gone through the years?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, it's definitely gotten more important because it's like, you know, we all want success, we all want money. Right? That's a major factor. But, you know, when you have a family and you have kids and all of the things, you want to make sure that their joy is on level 10. Right. But then in that, you got to make sure your joy is at a level 10. So I'm moving with ultimate goal being joy.

[A]

Advice for women out there that are listening right now, that are hearing it and going, like, I want to do that too. How do I do it? How do I do it? Even when I'm going through transition, we're all going to go through those, right? There's a lot of them. Advice for women out there listening.

[B]

Well, guys, follow me right now on social media. Andy, and we gonna figure it out together.

[A]

Candy, I was so looking forward to this. I think you're just really a gem. I really do.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Thank you so much. Thanks for taking time for this.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you for doing this. After you woke up at 3:30 in.

[B]

The morning, I've had a great time sitting and talking with you.

[A]

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