Jamie Lynn Sigler: How to Forgive Yourself and Rewrite Your Story

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Jamie Lynn Sigler – How to Forgive Yourself and Rewrite Your Story

Podcast: The Tamsen Show
Host: Tamsen Fadal
Guest: Jamie Lynn Sigler
Episode Date: May 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

This heartfelt episode features actress, author, and podcast host Jamie Lynn Sigler discussing her deeply personal memoir "And So It Is." The conversation explores the challenges of living authentically, especially as a woman in the public eye, with themes of self-forgiveness, letting go of secrets and shame, living with MS, family, and the importance of rewriting your personal narrative at any stage of life. Jamie’s candor offers listeners permission and hope to step into their truth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Power of Telling Your Story (01:15–04:44)

• Jamie opens up about why she chose to write her memoir now.
  • She waited until she was "really ready to just be as authentically honest as I needed to be." (02:56)
  • The memoir’s origin: a letter to her younger self, finally giving that past version a voice.
• Jamie’s hope: Other women, too, will see themselves in her story and feel less alone.

Notable Quote

"This reckoning and this opportunity to sort of rewrite the past is possible. And just the freedom that I feel in my life and even in my body, despite being in one that is disabled, is a space I never thought I'd be able to exist in."
— Jamie Lynn Sigler [04:28]

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On Secrets, Shame, and Owning Your Struggles (04:44–08:03)

• Jamie reflects on hiding her MS diagnosis for years.
  • She felt “robbed of opportunities, of connection and service and love.”
  • Emphasizes that "things that happen to us are not our fault" but the stories we spin about them create suffering.
• Rewriting the narrative helps break the cycle of shame.

Notable Quote

"Pain is inevitable in life... but the stories that we constantly will tell ourselves or the labels that we give ourselves because of those struggles, because of those pain, is where real suffering is. And I suffered for so long because of the stories that I told myself."
— Jamie Lynn Sigler [07:27]

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The First Step is Forgiveness (08:03–09:37)

• Tamsen and Jamie connect over disordered eating and past relationships.
• Jamie’s insight for women wanting to change:
  • Start with forgiving yourself—"forgiving that version of you that was just doing the best that she could."
  • Forgiveness can then extend to others, even "the villains in our stories."

Notable Quote

"The first step for me was forgiving myself because I was just so hard on myself for so long."
— Jamie Lynn Sigler [09:28]

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Marriage, Love, and Unconditional Support (12:18–13:15)

• Jamie on her husband’s role in her life and healing:
  • Credits him for providing unconditional love and allowing her to be “really messy in my healing journey.”
  • He is “the perfect example of unconditional love... and he sees me and he loves me.”

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Living with MS: Challenge and Acceptance (13:15–16:36)

• MS is described as a 'snowflake disease' — symptoms and experience are unique to each person.
• Her journey includes physical limitations, particularly with her right leg, and the heartbreak of not always being able to participate fully in motherhood.
• Acceptance and letting go of guilt are central to her ongoing growth.

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Motherhood and Redefining Value (14:57–15:32)

• Motherhood is where Jamie’s limitations hurt most.
  • She cannot always be as active with her children as she would wish, but she’s learned “just because I have MS doesn’t take away my value as a mom.”

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Boundaries, Priorities, and Aging (15:36–16:36)

• With age and through MS, Jamie has learned firmer boundaries.
  • Focuses energy on friends, family, work, and has released guilt—especially that of a working mom.

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Mentorship and the Power of Being Seen: James Gandolfini (16:36–18:41)

• Jamie remembers James Gandolfini as her confidante and mentor.
  • He was the first person she told about her MS, recognizing her pain and never prying.
  • “He knew something was wrong... and then from then on, it was just a nod or a pat on the back or a squeeze of my hand, and that was all I needed to get me through.”

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The 'Messy' Podcast & Community with Christina Applegate (19:12–21:24)

• Creating a safe space to be authentic with Christina Applegate inspired Jamie’s voice in “Messy”.
  • The podcast and her community have provided validation and made her feel less alone.

Notable Quote

"We’re not embarrassed. You know, people receive it, like, really saying, thank you. Thank you for speaking up. Thank you for giving me a voice."
— Jamie Lynn Sigler [20:42]

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Good Girl Syndrome and Using Your Voice (21:24–22:59)

• The socialization of women to be "good girls” is called out—a theme in Jamie’s story.
• She believes that “the more that we share in our vulnerability and our truth, the more that we can dismantle that.”

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Unfinished Stories and Looking Forward (21:50–23:10)

• Jamie doesn’t feel “finished”—her husband reminds her, “your story isn’t over yet.”
• She now faces life with confidence and gratitude, after feeling for so long that she couldn’t live openly.
• She aspires to be a safe person and mentor for others, the way Gandolfini was for her.

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What’s Next for Jamie (25:03–25:39)

• Projects:
  • Book "And So It Is"
  • The “Messy” podcast continues
  • Directing a short film inspired by a transformative experience with her son
  • Acting in new shows coming out this year

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Family, Advocacy, and Healing (25:39–27:00)

• Jamie’s son’s illness shifted her perspective:
  • Taught her to be "so strong and be so available and understand his physical struggle and also be able to support him in the ways that he needed."
  • Reinforced the importance of accepting and asking for help.

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The Meaning Behind “And So It Is” (27:00–28:05)

• Title origin: Drawn from A Course in Miracles and her own journey of healing and acceptance.
  • It signifies faith, hope, and closure—a new beginning at the end of each chapter, episode, and prayer.

Notable Quote

"It's acceptance, it's hope. It's all of the things. And in that moment is when my true healing started to begin in the book. And so. And so it is was the way we end every messy podcast. And it was the only title for this book because it means so many things."
— Jamie Lynn Sigler [27:32]

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• To her younger self:

  "I'm really proud of her and that she's much stronger than she thinks... she will have gratitude one day for all of it."
  — Jamie Lynn Sigler [05:12]

• On boundaries and priorities:

  "I just know what I value the most, and that's my friends and my family and my work. And so that gets all of me."
  — Jamie Lynn Sigler [16:12]

• Encouragement to listeners:

  "Your story isn’t over yet. You never know what’s around the corner."
  — Jamie Lynn Sigler [21:54]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Why Write the Book Now: 02:56
• Hiding Diagnosis & Secrets: 05:51
• Advice to Listeners about Self-Forgiveness: 08:38
• Jamie on Marriage and Unconditional Love: 12:28
• Living with MS: 13:31
• Remembering James Gandolfini: 16:52
• The 'Messy' Podcast & Christina Applegate: 19:28
• Good Girl Syndrome: 21:34
• Looking Forward / Not Finished Yet: 21:54
• What’s Next for Jamie: 25:05
• Meaning of “And So It Is”: 27:00

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Conclusion

In this moving episode, Jamie Lynn Sigler lays bare her journey—from secret-keeping and self-judgment to forgiveness, openness, and true acceptance. Her story is a testament to the healing power of vulnerability, community, and rewriting the narratives that no longer serve us. As she affirms, "your story isn’t over yet," leaving listeners with hope, permission, and a roadmap for their own next chapters.

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Transcript

[Tamsen Fadal]

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[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

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[Tamsen Fadal]

Hi friends. Welcome back. I am so glad you're here. So if you've ever wondered whether or not a conversation could really shift something

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

in you, this might be the one.

[Tamsen Fadal]

I am sitting down with Jamie Lynn Sigler. You might know her as Meadow Soprano from the Sopranos, and you may also know she has Ms. And a hit podcast with her best friend Christina Applegate called Messi. But what you may not know about her is everything else. Jamie's just written this memoir called and so It Is. And friends, I am telling you, this is one of the most honest books I've ever read.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

And the reason I'm so excited to have her on today is because what

[Tamsen Fadal]

she's written is going to hit so

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many of you in places you weren't expecting.

[Tamsen Fadal]

This is a conversation about what it

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costs a woman to keep a secret,

[Tamsen Fadal]

how to let go of a version of yourself to become who you really are. And I know we've all struggled with this. Every woman I know has lived some version of these things, and Jamie has lived extreme versions of all of them. Which is exactly why I think we're all gonna walk away from this episode with so much women carry shame. We just do. We carry so much, so much longer than we should. And what Jamie has put on these

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pages is gonna give a lot of

[Tamsen Fadal]

us permission to let some of it go.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

So let's get into it. Well, Jamie, it's so good to see you.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

You too.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

So I told you I read this book cover to cover and appreciated every word because I saw myself in a lot of the pages. And I think that that's what women are gonna do, is see themselves in these pages.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

And that's my greatest wish. So I' hear that.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

Well, I hope you hear it over and over again throughout, you know, the course of more and more people reading the book. You know, you had so many private battles while you were so very, very public.

[Tamsen Fadal]

So what made you decide to do this book now?

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Yeah, I think I'm just. I'm ready to share authentically and honestly in a way that so clearly I never have been able to before. You know, I would be presented with the idea of, like, would you ever want to write a book over. Once I became public with Ms. So over the last 10 years. And I would always have this kind of visceral like, no. Because I thought the only story that had any value to tell of my life was my journey with Ms. And while that is an important one and one that I do share, I was careful about being identified as somebody just like with Ms. But two years ago, when it was presented to me again, I don't know, I just think I was in this place in my life where I felt really ready to just be as authentically honest as I needed to be in this memoir. And it was this full body. Yes. And I sat down in front of my laptop and I wanted to see how I would pitch this book to publishers. And this letter to my younger self poured out of me. And that's when I understood what the real story here was, was giving a voice to a version of me once upon a time that felt so alone and so isolated in her struggles and didn't know how to ask for help and didn't know she deserved that help and didn't open herself up to the love and support that she could have received. And I know that that is a story that so many of us can relate to. And this reckoning and this opportunity to sort of rewrite the past is possible. And just the freedom that I feel in my life and even in my body, despite being in one that is disabled, is a space I never thought I'd be able to exist in.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

There was this one sentence, because when you're reading this book and you hear that younger self and then you're going to set and you're hiding secrets and you're getting close to certain actor Jim get offiti when we're talking about these

[Tamsen Fadal]

big presence in all of our lives,

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

if you wanted to say one thing to young Jamie, what would that be today? Just one. She's sitting right here next to you. What would you say to her?

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

First, I wanna tell her that I'm really proud of her and that she's much stronger than she thinks. I know the burden that she's carrying is a heavy one, but also I wanna promise her that everything that she's going through will she shape her and show her what she's made of and make her grow. And she will have gratitude one day for all of it.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

How did you get to that place? Because that took a long time, right?

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

It took a long time.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

So I do want to talk about your diagnosis and that day and what that was, and then how you got to where you are today.

[Tamsen Fadal]

Because when you call it a reckoning,

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

I hear the reckoning, I see the reckoning.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Yeah. You know, I was so, so fragile. I was so afraid. I was already at this place when I was diagnosed where I had felt like I had so many issues. I had, like, every season of the show. It was like an eating disorder, then I had Lyme's disease, and then I was getting married to this older man. And it was just like, all of these things that I. And I'm such a people pleaser. I want to be the good girl and. And not. And not be the problem. And so by the time I was diagnosed with ms, it was like, oh, my God, no, there's no way I could share this, too. And also, 20 years old, you just. You don't know how to absorb that. And the people around me, we were all so green to the business and being in the public eye, it just felt like the safest thing to do, to keep it a secret. And unfortunately, that's just how I had to live until I finally felt ready to share. But like you said, that took a long time. It took a lot of painful moments, a lot of confronting moments, a lot of soul searching, a lot of therapy, a lot of hard conversations, a lot of embarrassing moments, moments that, again, I don't have any regrets about. But if anything, I just hope that I can give fair warning to anyone else that might be in a similar position, whether you're in the public eye or not, of feeling afraid to share parts of yourself or feel fear of being judged or dismissed, that you are robbing yourself of opportunities, of connection and service and love that you deserve. The things that happen to us are not our fault. And I think you have this opportunity. I always say, like, pain is inevitable in life. Struggle is inevitable. Life is for learning. This whole human experience is. We never know what's around the corner. But the stories that we constantly will tell ourselves or the labels that we give ourselves because of those struggles, because of those pain is where real suffering is. And I suffered for so long because of the stories that I told myself. And I'm able to rewrite that. And we are all able to rewrite those stories.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

You know, I think a lot about. I'm 55 years old now, and I had an eating disorder when I was younger. And so when you were talking about writing the every single thing you ate, like I'd write gum, five calories, I did all of it. And so that really hit me. And then I went through my first marriage to a narcissist, and that really hit me. And so I think about the women that are listening to this that are, you know, maybe they're in their late 30s, 40s, 50s, and said like, hey, it's not too late for me to rewrite that story. What do you want them to know

[Tamsen Fadal]

about where to start that?

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

Because sometimes starting that is, I think, the most difficult part.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

It's forgiveness. For me, it's first and foremost forgiving yourself. Forgiving that version of you that was just doing the best that she could and didn't know any better and was trying just to survive. And then the forgiveness can extend to the other people, you know, even the villains in our stories. Right. They were also doing the best that they could. And at least that's how I would like to believe. And I've seen such a softening. I've seen such miracles. I've seen so many full circle moments that I also get to share in the book of when you open. Open yourself up to that forgiveness, the change that can happen, because for me, many of my circumstances haven't changed. But when you shift the perspective, it's. It all is just so much easier and lighter and more loving and, you know, that's. Yeah, I think the first step for me was forgiving myself because I was just so hard on myself for so long.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

I'm glad you have. Thank you. I'm really glad you.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Thank you.

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[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

You have an incredible marriage to an incredible Man, I listened to the podcast with you and your husband and, you know, he's just pretty amazing, probably to wake up to every day.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

He is a good, good person. He is wired to just take care of people. It's kind of who he is. And I think we are sort of met each other in this moment where we really needed the other person. And I just give him so much credit for the woman I am today because he, he to me is the perfect example of unconditional love. Like, he has let me be really messy in my healing journey and express myself and sort of toy with all the different colors, inversions, emotions, all while knowing that this man is not going anywhere and he sees me and he loves me and I'm just so grateful for him and will always give him the credit that he deserves of being such a huge part of my journey.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

You talk about messy, the name of your podcast with Christina Applegate. Um, let's talk about Ms. And that diagnosis, it presents differently in everybody. What does it look like for you? Because everybody comes about it very, very differently and has different symptoms, correct?

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Yes, yes, It's. They call it kind of like the snowflake disease. Like everybody's, you know, the. The neurological symptoms vary from person to person. For me, I have had weakness in my right leg since the beginning, and so that just sort of has progressed over time. It's like every time you have a relapse, damage is made and then you're kind of left with that damage. And so I have spasticity where if I go from sitting to standing, I kind of feel like I get like an electric shock through my body. I've had bladder incontinence issues in the past. I've had, you know, I just. I just can't physically do the things that truthfully I want to do. And I'm not going to lie and say that it's all great. I have heartbreak every day about my body, especially one that I to live in for 20 years, fully able bodied. But I also have now lived my entire adult life with Ms. And so it just. It just comes with me every day, and I have to have acceptance for it. It's the only way that I'm able to pursue everything that I want to do in my life. And I think that where it's been the most challenging, to be honest, is motherhood. I think that's where I've felt the most insecurities, where I've felt just sad that I couldn't participate in ways that I wouldn't. I know I would have wanted to, especially having two young, active boys.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

What are some of the ways I

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

would love to be on the field playing with them? Like when I. When they're gonna go down and shoot basketball hoops, I would go. The Jamie at my core would be the mom outside doing that with them till sundown. But instead, I pull up a chair at the top of our patio, and I just watch them. I just show up the ways that I can. And thankfully, they remind me all the time that they feel my presence as a mother. And I've had to do some real soul searching and understanding that just because I have Ms. Doesn't take away my value as a mom.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

How did you decide what you fight for and what to let go of at this stage in life?

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Ooh, that's a good one. I think I'm still. I think I learned that every day. But I think that's one of the beautiful parts about aging, is that you really feel more comfortable with your voice and knowing yourself and what you want and what you don't want and what you want to spend your time and energy on and not, you know, Ms. Can give me an easy excuse, and I've always been very conscious to not use it as one. But there are times where I just have to take care of myself. And I think because I've had to have firmer boundaries because of ms, they've sort of allowed me to have firmer boundaries in general in my life and get in touch with being able to advocate for myself more with that, you know? But I just. I know what I value the most, and that's my friends and my family and my work. And so that gets all of me. And I've also learned to sort of get rid of the guilt, too, especially being a working mom of just being present where I am and knowing that when I'm with them, they'll get me fully.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

I think about friends or mentors in your life, James Gandolfini being one of them. You write some really touching things about him and what you shared with him before anybody else. Thoughts about how you carry him through these years.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

He had no idea of his magic, or if he did, he kind of fought against it. He just didn't. Never wanted to be the special human that he was. He just wanted to be like everybody else, and he just wasn't. And he lives on forever. And it was an honor to be able to, you know, memorialize him the way I was able to in my book, because he took such careful care of me. But in Such a specific and kind and, you know, sophisticated way where it wasn't pushy. He didn't pry. He knew the right moments because I was just so closed off, and he felt that. But he. He saw my pain underneath. He saw my struggle. And he was the first person that I told. I had Ms. Because. Because he saw me in my pain, and he knew somehow that I needed somebody to know. He knew something was wrong. He didn't know what. And then from then on, it was just a nod or a pat on the back or a squeeze of my hand, and that was all I needed to get me through those last few years.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

How did you know he was the one to tell?

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

I felt the safest with him always. He was my dad. You know, you play a role for so long, you can't help but just fantasize and fall into that chemistry. And he felt like that for me. I mean, being in his arms is where I felt safe, like being in his presence as an actress, as a human, so. And I knew he respected me, and I knew that he loved me, and I knew that he would keep my secret. I knew that he would understand why. And he never needed much explanation, which is also why I think I felt so safe. I never would have had to explain myself.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

When you were on that set of the Sopranos, there's one part in your book when you said you walked into an apartment or a dorm, and you see the picture of you staring back when you were very, very young. And you think about that, and you think about Meadow then and who Meadow might be today. Who would she be today?

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Oh, it's my favorite question to ask, because I think she's for sure still living in Jersey. She was never gonna get too far away. I think she's a public defender, and I think she just married an Italian man. I like that she didn't stray too far.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

I like that Meadow. I like her, too. I like that Meadow. You know, when I sit and I look at you and I think about James Gaddolfini and now Christina Applegate being such a force. We talked before we sat down about community and how important that is. What does the Messy podcast give to you and how is Christina doing?

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Christina's doing great. She's getting better every day. She is one of the strongest women that I know, and I love her so much. Messy, I think, really gave me just, like, really gave me the voice that I have today and really gave me the opportunity to be ready to write this book. And it gave me community, because Christina and I are sharing the way that we used to share privately.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

Everything.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Everything that was. Those were our private phone conversations of two women that had a very unique and specific experience in common. But also, we're mothers and we're actresses, and we just. And have had history and feelings about things. And to be able to share with her in that way, and then for her to be like, I'd be okay sharing this publicly. I was like, okay, then I'll do it with you. You know, she really, I think, was the last final piece of me being like, I am. I'm not afraid to just share my true, authentic self and to see the way it's received. There's no shame. We're not embarrassed. You know, people receive it, like, really saying, thank you. Thank you for speaking up. Thank you for giving me a voice. And even at some of my book signings, I had a woman come up to me and say, I am exactly your age. I have two young boys. You walk like me, you talk like me. Thank you. And I just started crying. I said, thank you. That's important for me to know, too. I need to see another woman my age that walks like me, that talks like me, that's in this struggle with me. It's. I get just as much from it. And it's also. It feels like part of my purpose and part of why I'm here and doing this. When Edie Falco finished my book, she called me and she said, I hate the things that you've been through, but I'd like to think that you've been given this journey for a reason because of the way that you are willing to share. And I believe her.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

I believe her, too. I believe her, too. And I believe. No one told us we were allowed to do that. You talk about the good girl syndrome, which I think that we. A lot of us have had to an extent.

[Tamsen Fadal]

And it's.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

It's not an easy one. There's no question about that.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

No. And it's. And it's no one's fault. Right. You know, it's kind of the world that we come into. But I think the more that we use our voices, the more that we share in our vulnerability and our truth, the more that we can dismantle that.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

Do you feel like you're unfinished right now? Not finished yet with what's next?

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

No. My husband's favorite thing to tell me all the time is, your story isn't over yet. And it's the thing that I will tell everyone all the time because you never know what's around the corner. But I think for the first time in my life, I don't feel afraid because I feel so loved and supported. And a lot of that proof to me came through struggle and painful moments in my life. But, you know, I find gratitude for all of it. And I feel kind of brand new. I feel like I'm facing the world in a way that I always dreamed I could.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

Did you think about that? Did you ever think, like, I wish I could do that, but I just. It's just not me.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Yes. I would look at women or people and think, why she's so free. She's just so open and real. Aida Turturro was one of them. Like, when I first met her, I'm like, look at her, like, asking for what she needs. And like, everyone thought she was charming and loving and amazing. And I just never thought that that could be me. But we all have a special thing that we bring, and I'm finally able to kind of figure out what that is like. All the barriers are down.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

I feel like you're going to be what James Gandolfini was to you. Oh, to somebody else.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

I hope so. I hope so. I'd like to think that he would be happy to see the way I'm living my life now.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

I think so. Hey there.

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[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

What is next for you?

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Well, this book is out in the world and I'm so grateful for the opportunity to have that. I still have messy I've actually been putting together and we're going to film this summer a short film inspired by a journey that I had with my son that I write about. It was a life changing thing and he came back with such wisdom and light and love to share. And so I clearly love to turn my pain into art. So it's there. And then, you know, I got to work on some great shows that are coming out this year and I don't know, I'm just excited to see what's to come for me.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

You know, you started this book with a very just such a touching and frightening story of Beau. How is he today and how did that experience change everything for. And so it is.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Yeah, well, he's doing very well, thank you for asking. He's in the sixth grade, just finishing it up. He's playing baseball. He's a happy little boy. I was in the midst of writing this book when he got sick, so it obviously changed my life and reshaped a lot of this. But what that experience taught me was who I've become like the woman I've become. The way I was able to advocate for him and my family and be so strong and be so available and understand his physical struggle and also be able to support him in the ways that he needed to in his recovery and also just the community that I've been able to cultivate over the years and being unafraid to ask for help. I mean, if I was unable to ask for help during that moment in my life, I never would have made it through. And so it's also a love letter to everyone in my life that has loved me and supported me and held secrets for me until I was ready to share.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

I'm so glad you're ready.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Thank you.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

And so it is. You have a tattoo.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

I do.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

How did that title come up? That's my last question. But I have to know.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Yes. So, you know, much of the book is sort of me sort of imploding. Right. And these secrets and this, this heaviness and just sort of the years of that toll on me physically and emotionally. And I finally, in a moment in the book, found an opportunity to have a foundation of faith and find a way for me that something that I connected to, which is something called A Course in Miracles, and finally felt tethered and strong and connected. And I didn't want to forget that moment. And so immediately I had. And so it is tattooed on me because in the book of A Course in Miracles, that's the way they end. Every affirmation, every prayer. It's acceptance, it's hope. It's all. All of the things. And in that moment is when my true healing started to begin in the book. And so. And so it is was the way we end every messy podcast. And it was the only title for this book because it means so many things. It's accepting. Like I said, it's. It's hope. It's an affirmation of all of your wishes and dreams that we all deserve to put out there.

[Interviewer (possibly Tamsen Fadal or a co-host)]

You. Well, you deserve all of them. Jamie, you're a gem. Thank you so much for having me. So glad we had this time.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Me too.

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