Jennie Garth on Choosing Yourself: What 90210 Taught Her About Reinvention

Summary

The Tamsen Show

Episode: Jennie Garth on Choosing Yourself: What 90210 Taught Her About Reinvention

Host: Tamsen Fadal
Guest: Jennie Garth
Date: April 15, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode features Emmy-winning journalist and bestselling author Tamsen Fadal in conversation with actress, author, and entrepreneur Jennie Garth. The main theme is reinvention—how Jennie has navigated personal and professional transformations since her days as Kelly Taylor on "Beverly Hills, 90210." They discuss embracing change, moving through phases of self-doubt (including imposter syndrome and people-pleasing), women supporting women, the challenges and gifts of midlife, and Jennie’s new book I Choose Me: Chasing Joy, Finding Purpose, and Embracing Reinvention. Listeners receive candid insights on aging, identity, and taking charge of their lives—whether or not they're in their 50s.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Beginnings: Looking Back at 90210 and Young Fame

• Jennie’s Early Career: Reflections on growing up on set and being thrust into the limelight as a teenager fresh from the Midwest.
  • “When I rewatch the show from the 90s, I see this young, just beautiful, naive young woman who just wants to do her job well and make people happy... I’ve changed quite a bit.” (02:59, Jennie)
• Watching Herself: Jennie never watched episodes during the show’s original run, only doing so now for her podcast "9021OMG" with Tori Spelling.
  • “We never had time…We were constantly working 14, 16, 18 hour days.” (03:53, Jennie)
• Blurred Identities: Playing Kelly Taylor for 10 years made Jennie’s personal and character identities blend together.
  • “At a certain point, just things blurred…Having Lucabella saved my life—it saved me from myself.” (15:33-15:46, Jennie)

Reinvention, Aging, and Midlife Change

• Jennie’s Transformation: She describes becoming wiser, developing a "quiet confidence," and shifting from people-pleasing to self-assuredness.
  • “Jennie Garth, thank goodness, is much wiser than Kelly…has a quiet confidence that that girl never had.” (04:16, Jennie)
• Role Model for Daughters: Now a mother to three women, Jennie sees the vast difference between her formative years and her daughters’ experiences.
  • “For me at that time, that was just what it was…figure it out and do it well…sink or swim.” (05:14, Jennie)
• Midlife as a Community: Both women reflect on the power of women supporting each other more than ever.
  • “Women have really decided to rally around one another. There is just this force of women who have learned what they’ve learned, are proud of themselves, and want more.” (06:14, Jennie)

Writing the Book: I Choose Me

• Motivation and Process: Writing was an introspective experience, where Jennie explored both her successes and failures.
  • “I learned a whole new appreciation for myself and what I’ve been through…when we have the agency to sit with those uncomfortable...experiences, that is when we truly tap into our superpower as women.” (08:21, Jennie)
• Notable Quote from the Book:
  • “What I know now that I couldn’t see then is that sometimes what breaks us, sets us free...the life I thought I was losing was making space for the life I was meant to step into.” (16:15, quoted by Tamsen from Jennie’s book)
• Letting Go of Secrecy: With age and encouragement from her husband, Jennie chose to be fully honest, avoid masking or making anything “lighter.”
  • “I didn’t want to be secretive about things. That wasn’t serving me in my life anymore.” (17:36, Jennie)

Vulnerability, People-Pleasing & Comparison

• On Emotions: Encouraging women never to stop feeling, as suppressing emotion leads to losing one’s voice.
  • “When you stop feeling your emotions, you lose your voice... Once you lose that, it’s really hard to find yourself again.” (19:12, Jennie)
• People-Pleasing: Both Jennie and Tamsen reflect on outgrowing the need for approval, though it remains a daily struggle.
• Public & Private Persona: Jennie is candid about how being young and insecure shaped her relationships and how the pressures of early fame affected her.
  • “I talk a lot about being young and insecure…operating on that level.” (20:01, Jennie)
• Imposter Syndrome: Even now, Jennie faces negative self-talk and anxiety stepping into new roles; the key is acknowledging and dismissing those voices in real time.
  • “I went out there terrified...thinking, ‘Who am I to do this?’ And I had to just be like, ‘No, thank you. I’m not going to listen to you right now.’” (25:43, Jennie)
• Comparison Culture: Jennie shares that she had to stop "doom-scrolling" on social media and focus on inner validation and self-appreciation.
  • “I had to stop scrolling...I had to learn how to love myself in a whole new way.” (28:25, Jennie)
• Inner Child Work: Jennie credits inner child work for helping her regain appreciation for her journey and develop self-compassion.

Empowerment, Community, and Giving Back

• The “I Choose Me” Movement: The empowering phrase from 90210 (originally written into the show in 1995) has become Jennie’s brand, the title of her book, her clothing line, and the foundation for live events.
  • “I heard other women coming to me and saying, ‘When Kelly said, I choose me, it changed my whole life’…I always have the option to choose myself.” (22:29, Jennie)
• Women’s Summits & Events: Jennie hosts events aimed at educating and empowering women—featuring panels, open conversations, and resource sharing.
  • “That is all about empowering women, educating women to risks that they might not know about, listening to other people’s stories, and just connecting and learning.” (24:36, Jennie)
• Advice to Women Struggling with Self-Love:
  • “Be introspective about your life…look at yourself in the mirror, wade through the negative thoughts about your image...and get to the core of that person behind your eyes...Tell her that you love her and you’ve got her.” (34:15, Jennie)

Aging, Midlife, and Health

• Gratitude for Aging: Jennie embraces aging as a time of grace, self-acceptance, and deeper capacity for love.
  • “My love, my grace for myself, my acceptance...my not giving a...what other people think ultimately—good or bad about me or what I say or do.” (37:43, Jennie)
• Perimenopause & Menopause: The hosts discuss the upheaval and confusion surrounding symptoms, with Jennie candidly sharing her brain fog and eventual relief upon learning it was hormonal change.
  • “Just go ahead and sleep naked…you’re gonna get hot, [the clothes are] gonna come off.” (39:40, Jennie, humorously on hot flashes)
  • “I thought I was losing my mind…I’d have brain fog in the middle of sentences…It made me panic.” (39:54, Jennie)
  • Jennie emphasizes the importance of education, community, and open conversation about women’s health in midlife.

Business, Creativity, and Family

• Entrepreneurial Ventures: Jennie is busy with three podcasts, her "I Choose Me" clothing line (run with her daughter Lola), and book tours.
  • “We design together...She creates every photo shoot…It’s a very creative outlet and we love it.” (45:34, Jennie)
• Legacy and Drive: Jennie wants to leave a legacy for her daughters that demonstrates courage, constant reinvention, and fearlessness in trying new things.
  • “At 60, I want to have that moment where I say to myself, what do you want next?” (38:23, Jennie)
• Advice on Reinvention:
  • “Listen to your instincts...get quiet and ask yourself, ‘what do you want next?’...define it, and then live your life as if you already have it, and you will step right into it.” (46:40, Jennie)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I’m gonna choose me. I’m the better kisser.” (21:51, Jennie—on fan questions about 90210 love interests)
• “It’s okay to shine.” (33:12, Jennie—on learning to stand out even when it felt uncomfortable)
• “At the end of the day, I’m all I’ve got.” (35:11, Jennie—on self-reliance and self-love)
• “Comparison is natural, but it’s a way to allow our minds to sort of derail us...I had to learn how to love myself in a whole new way.” (28:25, Jennie)
• “We naturally want more...but it’s just stepping into that beautiful, divine power that all of us women have. It’s just about tapping into it.” (42:40, Jennie)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:59 – Jennie on seeing her younger self on 90210 & what’s changed
• 04:16 – On developing quiet confidence and wisdom
• 06:14 – Midlife, female community, and changing perspectives
• 08:21 – Writing “I Choose Me,” introspection, and women’s superpower
• 16:15 – Discussing the book’s philosophy: “What breaks us, sets us free”
• 19:12 – The danger of losing your voice by not feeling emotions
• 21:51 – “I’m gonna choose me. I’m the better kisser.” (on 90210 love triangle)
• 22:29 – The “I Choose Me” movement and why it resonates
• 25:43 – Dealing with imposter syndrome and real-time anxiety
• 28:25 – How Jennie stopped comparing and started loving herself
• 34:15 – Mirror exercise for self-love and why it works
• 37:43 – What’s gotten better in her fifties
• 39:40 – Menopause/perimenopause tips (“Just sleep naked”)
• 41:32 – The relief and power of having the right information about women’s health
• 45:34 – On building the clothing line with her daughter
• 46:40 – Jennie’s advice for women seeking to “choose themselves”

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Final Takeaways

This episode offers an intimate, empowering discussion about reinvention at any age but especially during midlife. Jennie Garth shares relatable struggles and triumphs, from early fame and identity confusion to embracing imperfection, silencing inner critics, prioritizing self-love, and building supportive female communities. Her actionable advice—especially on embracing discomfort, defining new dreams, and “choosing yourself”—echoes throughout the conversation and practical tools.

For Listeners:

• If you’re navigating change, questioning "what’s next," or simply feeling stuck, this conversation is a reminder that reinvention isn’t just possible—it’s ongoing, uncomfortable, and worth it.
• For more: Read Jennie’s book I Choose Me, listen to her podcasts, and explore her “I Choose Me” clothing line.

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Transcript

[Tamsen]

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[Jenny Garth]

I'm so Glad to see you.

[Tamsen]

We met, I don't know, like a year or two ago, right?

[Jenny Garth]

Yes.

[Tamsen]

And I felt like, oh my gosh, Jenny, you're so nice, you're so sweet and I feel like I grew up with you because I did. I'm 55 years old. Yes, you're 53. Right. You know, I knew you I guess at 18, but you didn't know me.

[Jenny Garth]

No, not yet.

[Tamsen]

When you were Kelly. Who is Jenny today? When you go back and look at Kelly at 18 and Jenny today, oh

[Jenny Garth]

my goodness, such a different person. I mean, when I rewatch the Show from the 90s, I look and I see this young, just beautiful, naive young woman who just wants to do her job well and, you know, make people happy. Uh huh. So I've changed quite a bit. I still enjoy making people happy, but it's not my driving energy anymore.

[Tamsen]

You sat down and watched the show. When did you watch the show?

[Jenny Garth]

I have a podcast that rewatches it. So we've rewatched it from the first episode. We're in season eight now. Yeah, it's called 9021 OMG and it's really fun. I do it with my friend Tori and we just, we have never watched the show before.

[Tamsen]

So you never watched. So while it was happening, you would never watch the episodes the rest of the world or everybody else is watching?

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah, I did not enjoy watching myself at that age. I was just hypercritical. My own worst critic. And we never had time. We were constantly working 14, 16, 18 hour days. So it wasn't like I'll be home in time for the show ever.

[Tamsen]

That's amazing to me. So who is Jenny Garth today versus who we met all those years ago?

[Jenny Garth]

Jennie Garth, thank goodness, is much wiser than Kelly. She is somebody who believes in having faith, which I did not at that age. She is someone who has a quiet confidence that that girl never had.

[Tamsen]

Really?

[Jenny Garth]

I think she tried the younger me really tried to have confidence, kind of that fake it till you make it kind of mentality. But it was just masking so much,

[Tamsen]

I think about the fact that your daughters are either one of your daughters is the age that you were then, right? Is she 18 or 19?

[Jenny Garth]

Yes, yes. She is almost 20. She's 19.

[Tamsen]

19. So older than you were when you started 90210 and then two daughters who are older than that. Right. What is that like when you look 23 and 29? What is that like when you look at them and think, wow, I was so young to be put in Such a place of the whole world looking at me.

[Jenny Garth]

It's weird because for me at that time, that was just what it was. It was normal. It was called figure it out and do it well. And, you know, just go with the flow. And when I look at my daughter, who is that, that same age, I think, wow, I can't. I wouldn't want to throw you into that fire. That was just too much for a young girl to. To from the Midwest, a farm in the Midwest who knows nothing about Hollywood or anything. That was a lot to be just like, you know, it was like sink or swim.

[Tamsen]

Well, I want to tell you, I love the Jenny Garth today. I love the one that I met about two years ago. And I'm really happy you're here. I think what I admire is the fact you're very vocal about aging. You're very vocal about where you are in this chapter. You don't shy away from it. You don't try to hide it or filter it. And I have a real appreciation for that because I think we're all kind of learning together right now and we're being open about it. Do you feel like that?

[Jenny Garth]

Yes. It's a time like none other. I feel like women have really decided to rally around one another. It's not like it was, you know, with the equality, the whole, you know, women's equality. All right. Things are so. Feel so much different now. And there is just this force of women who have learned what they've learned. They are who they are. They're proud of themselves and they want more. And we are here just sort of rallying around each other.

[Tamsen]

It's funny, before I got into. I was in television for a long time, and I just remember I've got to figure out what's next for me and be successful and do the next thing and be the people pleaser and make people proud. And I don't think I had a community or women around me that I felt had my back or I confided in or we were working together to get to that next place. It feels very different when I look back, and I hope that younger women that might see you or see me or your daughters are seeing somebody different.

[Jenny Garth]

My daughter's definitely seeing me as a role model, so they're seeing the way it feels when women support one another instead of break each other down. And yes, very similar to you. I grew up in a very competitive environment where I never had the feeling of security. I never felt safe. And that you learn how to survive in that really Quickly, and that's probably not the best way to live, the best way to handle relationships, but that's all I knew.

[Tamsen]

You know, I was thinking about you because when I heard you had written the book, and I know you have the podcast, and I know you have the clothing line, and I know how hard it is to write a book, and you really, really went deep and personal with the book. The book is called I Choose Chasing Joy, Finding Purpose, and Embracing Reinvention. But, you know, I opened it and I thought, okay, I'm gonna hear from Jenny and learn about her history and, you know, what she's been through. I had no idea what, you know, what the book was going to be about was. Did it feel like a very. Was it difficult, first of all, but was it hard to do for you?

[Jenny Garth]

It was. It was. It was just about going back, allowing myself to really go back, and not on a superficial level, but on an introspective level. And look at my part in the successes of my life, look at my part in the failures in my life and really stop pointing the finger at other people and start pulling the thumb. And so I really wanted it to be from that point of view. And I learned a whole new appreciation for myself and what I've been through. And I think that as women, when we reach this phase in our lives, when we're able to take a beat and think about, who am I now? Who have I been? Who do I want to be? Like, when we have the agency to be able to sit with those uncomfortable, sometimes, you know, thoughts, memories, experiences, that is when we truly tap into our superpower as women.

[Tamsen]

Do you think you've answered those questions? Mm. So, you know, every girl in America wanted to be Kelly Taylor, aka Jenny Garth, aka Kelly Taylor. You know, blonde hair, blue eyes, 90210. Who were you then? I guess is the question. You came from the Midwest. You came to Hollywood. You were put in a show that everybody was watching. Did you even realize that people, you just. They emulated you and looked to you and wanted to be you?

[Jenny Garth]

No, we were. We shot the show in a studio in Van Nuys, California, which is not the most glamorous place. Okay, sorry.

[Tamsen]

Van Nuys is outside of la.

[Jenny Garth]

It's in the Valley, the deep Valley.

[Tamsen]

This is our first time bringing the show to Los Angeles, so I'm saying yes. So I was so excited. I was so excited you were going to be here, but. Okay. Okay.

[Jenny Garth]

But we. Yeah, was right by Costco, and.

[Tamsen]

Okay.

[Jenny Garth]

And we were really pretty sheltered, and there was no Internet. Then there was no social media. We had cell phones and computers that made a lot of noise when you turned them on. And so we really didn't know what was happening with the show out there until they started sending us out for appearances. And we realized really quickly that it was insane. Like, bananas. Like the Beatles. Like, if you could imagine going somewhere to sign autographs and being just swarmed from every angle and people getting crushed in the audience and crying and fainting. It was surreal and scary.

[Tamsen]

It was scary because it seemed out of control.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes. And that's when I stopped leaving my house.

[Tamsen]

Really?

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah.

[Tamsen]

Did you have anybody around you that said, hey, it's okay. You got this. You're safe. Don't worry. This is the greatest thing that could happen to you.

[Jenny Garth]

I mean, Mr. Showbiz, my manager. That's been my manager for 38 years.

[Tamsen]

I read about.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes. He was always there. He was always a very stable person for me to be with. He made me feel grounded. He was kind of like a second father figure. And I hired an assistant. I didn't know why, but someone said, you should hire an assistant. So I said, okay. And they brought me in to meet with someone, and she ended up becoming my best friend, and she's been my best friend ever since. And I. We used to laugh and think, like, oh, it's so funny that I'm paying you to be my friend. But she really taught me, like, my first ever coping skills, my first ever tools to help me through those. Those times of just being really afraid and not wanting to leave my house.

[Tamsen]

What were those coping skills? And do they. Do they still serve you today?

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah, actually, one of them is just so elemental. It's when my brain is racing and I'm, like, kind of spiraling or ruminating on something. I close my eyes and I relax, and I see a stop sign. I see, like, the octagonal shape of it. I see the white outline. I see the white lettering, and I just focus on that red stop sign. And that was the first tool that I ever put in my emotional toolkit.

[Tamsen]

I like that. I like that, though. I think we all. We all need that from each other. And by the way, I need the stop sign still at 55 years old, so I get it. I need it more. I need yield, stop, yield, and stop. I think we need. We need to add that to the kit. Oh, gosh. I love this time of year. There is something about this time of year where I just want to move. I want to walk, I want to get outside. I want to just get in motion. Long walks, workouts, being outside again. It makes me rethink the basics I'm wearing every day. I've been getting back into my lifting workouts and bomba Sports socks have been such a game changer. They're cushioned where you need them.

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[Tamsen]

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[Jenny Garth]

10 seasons.

[Tamsen]

10 seasons. So now you're 28.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes. Okay.

[Tamsen]

that point, did you know where Jenny began and Kelly? Or was there a lot of interplay over who these people were?

[Jenny Garth]

It all felt like the same.

[Tamsen]

Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

You know, at a certain point, just things blurred in between. The seventh and eighth season, I had a baby. And I think having Lucabella saved my life. Like, it saved me from myself.

[Tamsen]

How?

[Jenny Garth]

Just being far too focused on myself, my career, my image, all that stuff, everything flew out the door. And all I cared about was my baby and keeping her happy and healthy and alive.

[Tamsen]

Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

You know, first time mom and I. I really do credit that experience and her to being just like an angel sent to me now. You have three daughters, I have three angels. Yes.

[Tamsen]

There was a place that really stopped me in chapter three. And I know you wrote it, but I'm going to read it anyway. I've forgotten. I'm going to. What I know now that I couldn't see then is that sometimes what breaks us, sets us free. When life blindsides you with changes you didn't ask for, Divorce, illness, heartbreak. It can leave you feeling completely untethered. You start to question everything you thought you knew about who you were, where you were headed. But really, the life I thought I was losing was making space for the life I was meant to step into. Is that who we know today?

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah. That's the person that is. I'm proud of all that. And I was exactly where I was supposed to be at every moment. But it was all just sort of paving the way to where I am today. To where you are today. That's what our history does. And if we really kind of listen to how it felt and learn the lessons along the way, it creates this incredible human, you know, with the wisdom from all that you've survived.

[Tamsen]

So when you were going back and writing the book and thinking about what you wanted to tell, were there parts of it that you were like, I don't know if I want to talk about that story or enough people know about that story or there are things in here that you think are going to be surprising to people?

[Jenny Garth]

I think there will be some new stories that will be surprising. Perhaps some people won't like them. To which I say please. Let's talk about it. Because not often do we get the chance to go back and right wrongs that we've lived out in our lives. So I'm always welcoming of any time I've made a mess anywhere, at any point. Let's talk about it, and maybe it'll feel better, maybe it won't. I don't know. But I feel like there are new things in this book. And I have written a book several years ago now, and that book was much lighter. This book, I just didn't want to. I didn't want to hold back. I didn't want to be secretive about things that wasn't serving me in my life anymore. My husband really just encouraged me to be myself and go be raw. And so that's what I did.

[Tamsen]

I like that, though. And I think that that comes with age. I think it comes with experience, wisdom, all the things that. That you've talked about so far. You know, when I think about the person that women are always talking about, what they're learning during this time, Right. Like, I went through my divorce. I got married again at 50 years old. I left a career. I did things I never thought I was gonna do, like, ever, Never. If you'd have told me that at 25, I would've been like, no, I don't. I don't think you got the right girl. Like, none of that's going to happen. When you go back and talk about some of those things in the book, and you really do get very raw. I mean, you talk about anxiety you had, you talk about, you know, things that you. What do you hope that women get out of that? That maybe they don't feel as comfortable, you know, sharing or learning about themselves yet.

[Jenny Garth]

I hope. I just encourage women to never stop feeling, because when you stop feeling your emotions, you lose your voice, you lose perspective of what you want, as opposed to what the other people around you want. And once you lose that, it's really hard to find yourself again.

[Tamsen]

I think the people pleasing is a big deal. I've talked about it a lot on this show. I'm a total. That's what I do. I still have a hard time. I still catch myself over and over. I like that you said that there's stories people are not going to like because that means that you've gotten beyond the people pleasing. And I think it's hard. I really do. I struggle with it every single day of my life. I think about it all the time. What are the stories that you think people are not going to like, well, because I felt like I liked you a lot in every chapter.

[Jenny Garth]

I mean, I talk a lot about being young and insecure and really operating on that level. I know that there were people who experienced that, and I'm sure, you know, they have their perspectives. I talk about my divorce from my perspective. I'm sure there's another lens to look at that through from a lot of people that were involved. And I talk about the impact the show at such a young age had on me as I grew up, you know, and the show is so beloved by so many people. I don't ever want them to not love the show or love the cast. You know, I'm a devoted fan of the show myself, so I don't want to ever ruin that image for anyone because it was wonderful.

[Tamsen]

Well, you go back and you watch it now and talk about it.

[Jenny Garth]

Yep, I enjoy it.

[Tamsen]

What do you feel about that show that is so different than maybe what you experienced then? Do you look at things and go, oh, my gosh, it was just a different time? Or, oh, my gosh, I can't believe that I did xyz or he did xyz.

[Jenny Garth]

I didn't know what was happening with the full storyline.

[Tamsen]

Sure.

[Jenny Garth]

I would just do my.

[Tamsen]

Because you never know that. Right?

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah.

[Tamsen]

Okay.

[Jenny Garth]

Well, you read the script and maybe. But kind of got to the point where I just read my lines and read my Cs, because, you know, it's out of time. But I didn't know what was going on. So I just found out last week that Brandon cheated on Kelly in season eight, and I was devastated.

[Tamsen]

You just found out?

[Jenny Garth]

I just found out by watching the other scenes.

[Tamsen]

Wow.

[Jenny Garth]

And I felt a whole new level of betrayal.

[Tamsen]

What do you hear from people? People have to be shocked by that.

[Jenny Garth]

People, I mean, they just want to know who is a better kisser, Brandon or Dylan.

[Tamsen]

Right, right.

[Jenny Garth]

Well, who is I?

[Tamsen]

It's hard for me. It's still. You're in the middle. Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

I'm gonna choose me. I'm the better kisser.

[Tamsen]

That is a good answer. That's a very good answer. Keep that answer. You know, I. I think when I look at that and I. I look at what, you know, where you were then, where you are now, what you're doing now. Let's talk a little bit about that. You've got the book, You've got two podcasts or more.

[Jenny Garth]

I produce another one third.

[Tamsen]

Okay.

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah.

[Tamsen]

And you've got a clothing line, too.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes, I have a clothing brand.

[Tamsen]

All of it based on a line that was in season five of the show. What touched you so much about that line that really stuck with you? Because I thought that was amazing. When I heard that, I didn't get

[Jenny Garth]

it in the moment. I didn't get it in 1995. I just said it. Jessica Klein, my beautiful friend, wrote it, and she tried to really get me to understand the levity of it. And I was like, yeah, cool, I'll do it. And I said it. And then it wasn't until many years later, after I turned 50, 51, that I. I heard other women coming to me and saying, when Kelly said, I choose me, it changed my whole life because I never knew I could choose myself. And I've carried it into my life and remembered that I always have the option to choose myself. And that floored me. And I thought, okay, there is something really important there. And I thought about it long and hard because I was really, quite frankly, at a place where I was feeling lost. Like, what's my next chapter? The kids don't need me as much anymore. I don't like to sit still. Like, I like to keep moving. So I was really searching, and that just kept resonating with me. I choose me. I choose me. And I started to think about it more and write it and, like, write ideas about it, and it just blossomed into this, like, sort of an umbrella, overarching umbrella of everything that I am passionate about now. So whether it's through my podcast and encouraging people to, like, explore. Explore the way other people have chosen themselves to learn from them, whether it's to women who wear my clothing and feel confident and beautiful and like, they're choosing themselves by buying and wearing these clothes. That's all I want. And with the I'm doing a women's summit April 25, coming so quickly, that is all about empowering women, educating women to, you know, risks that they might not know about, listening to other people's stories and just connecting and learning. Learning, because that's what we do. And it feels so much safer now than it ever has. But I really do feel like everything I'm doing is for the main purpose of really wanting to use what I've been through, use what I've learned, share it, play it forward, pay it forward. You know, just. I don't want to waste it. I don't. I don't want to squander it and not do something with it.

[Tamsen]

Well, you're certainly not squandering it. I know that. I was at your. I think it was your first Live event. Yes. You were right. It was like a year ago.

[Jenny Garth]

Brilliant guest.

[Tamsen]

I loved it. Naomi Watts was there. And you. You know, it was an incredible event. First of all, just seeing the audience and seeing the people that came, and it was a marketplace, and it was just. It was just fun. And I just remember you shining up on that stage. I don't always think it's easy. Like, for me, it's not always easy to be live, especially hosting something. And you just took it over and went with it. And it was really an incredible conversation. I never forgot that. I think it was a year ago now.

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah, exactly a year ago. I thank you for that. Yeah, I really did jump in, like I always do in my life. I take on things and then all of a sudden it's go time, and I go. But that was, you know, that first experience was challenging for me because I was dealing with imposter syndrome. I was. I was afraid. I was still worrying about failure, and I had to just really let all of that go.

[Tamsen]

How did you do that? Because I think a lot of people

[Jenny Garth]

in real time, like, I went out there, terrified.

[Tamsen]

What, on the stage?

[Jenny Garth]

Yes. And thinking, who am I to do this?

[Tamsen]

Oh, wow.

[Jenny Garth]

Really bad. Negative thoughts inside. And I had to just be like, no, thank you. I'm not going to listen to you right now. I'm going to do what I know I want to be doing. I want to become the woman that I know I'm meant to be. And so I just. I just were. I still work actively at, you know, quieting those negative thoughts, those voices that tell you, you're not good enough. You can't do this. Someone else has already done this.

[Tamsen]

I feel like you're in my head.

[Jenny Garth]

I know.

[Tamsen]

And I have it, too, though.

[Jenny Garth]

We're all having those feelings, most of us. I've only met a few people that haven't ever had imposter syndrome or claimed to. Yeah, but I.

[Tamsen]

And are they telling us the truth? I don't.

[Jenny Garth]

I mean, it was, I don't know, Martha Stewart.

[Tamsen]

Oh, well, that was different.

[Jenny Garth]

Never had imposter syndrome.

[Tamsen]

That's different. I think we both meet her at qvc. I mean. Yeah, I don't think she's ever had imposter syndrome. I saw her documentary. I agree. I don't think she's ever had it. But I'm with you. I'm in your camp. That I. I have and I do. And even now, after I've been interviewing people for 30 years and I still get, like, my hands always get a Little like my hands are a little sweaty. That's why I didn't, like, grab your hand. I always. I do still feel that. And I don't. I don't know.

[Jenny Garth]

That's adrenaline. That's like excitement. Something new is happening. And I've never done this before. Yeah, so your body's, like, getting revved up, excited.

[Tamsen]

I'm going to call you next time. I get. I get sweaty and nervous, but I didn't know that about you at that event. I was like, oh, she's got this. And I was nervous. And I'm thinking like, oh, my God, Jenny Garth is going to be interviewing me, and I'm going to be up on stage with Naomi Watts. And I know for a fact Naomi feels the same way. She. She gets the same way on stage. We've talked about it before.

[Jenny Garth]

Isn't it crazy?

[Tamsen]

It's crazy.

[Jenny Garth]

And I love just unveiling that truth because everyone thinks that everybody else has got it all going. They've got everything together. They're ahead of us in some way, shape or form. And it's just not true.

[Tamsen]

How do you and I. I do do this too, you know, comparing yourselves. Like, I. I do compare myself. I do a lot like, oh, my gosh, so and so already did that. I suck. I didn't get it done. I didn't get to do it fast enough. You know, why didn't I? Was I being lazy?

[Jenny Garth]

You are doing some incredible things.

[Tamsen]

You're kind.

[Jenny Garth]

Hello, your movie.

[Tamsen]

You're very kind. Thank you. But I do think that. But at the end of the day, I'm always thinking like that. And I have to. I have to put up the yield and then the stop sign, I guess. But I think we do all have that. Do you find yourself, especially in the world of Hollywood, and I came from the world of television, where that's a very common thing. And I think that in any. Any career, women write in all the time saying, I'm in this career or that career and I want to do something else. And, you know, it scares me. And I feel like there's a lot of comparison.

[Jenny Garth]

Comparison is natural, but it's a way to allow our minds to sort of derail us. You've probably heard of compare despair. You know, scrolling on whatever platform you're looking at. It can breed insecurity. And you're, you know, wanting to compare yourself to other people's and why am I not doing that? And look how great their life is. But I had to stop scrolling. I had to stop myself from Scrolling. I barely ever look at things on the Instagram anymore. I love sharing things and sharing things with my community, but I had to stop that for myself. And I had to learn how to love myself in a whole new way. I had to learn. Well, I do a lot of inner child work and some people might think that's like, woo, woo, California, whatever, but I think it's. It's really gotten me in touch with who I really am inside all that I've been through. Look at what you've done. Like, just appreciating my journey so far.

[Tamsen]

Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

And give myself credit for that.

[Tamsen]

Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

And then leading forward with my life with grace and knowing that you're doing the best you can. And that's what. What we're here for.

[Tamsen]

You're doing pretty damn good, Jenny, I gotta tell you.

[Jenny Garth]

Thank you.

[Tamsen]

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[Jenny Garth]

actually look in the mirror now and I love myself. And that's not about my appearance. That's not about the reflection in the mirror. That's about the soul behind the eyes, the person. I genuinely love her, which is really a new experience for me.

[Tamsen]

I think. I get it. I get it. I think it's gonna be, and I hope a new experience for a lot of women, and I hope that they learn how to do it. And I hope they take away. Hearing us talk about the fact that everybody sort of had those feel and we've just kept them inside and filtered them for a very long time.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes. Which is a shame I took so long. I thought, who am I to shine? You know, I really tried to downplay myself all my life. Whether it was within my family dynamic. Nobody in my family was ever famous or any, you know, that kind of crazy world. I felt very different, and I didn't ever want to overshine my sisters. I didn't want to, you know, take the spotlight from anybody. And that's just, like, really deeply rooted in me. And then I realized I'm taking the spotlight from myself.

[Tamsen]

Yes.

[Jenny Garth]

And I'll never forget I had a friend say to me, it's okay to shine. And I was like, it is. And that I. Once I opened my mind to that, allowing myself to feel that way, it really did change things for me.

[Tamsen]

I love that you said that. I love that you know, that about yourself, too, because I. I guess I never thought about it, but I do go back home sometimes. I'm like, oh, I'm going to just be the person that I was when I grew up. So nobody, you know, that it. So I always just Kind of never want anybody to think something went to my head or, you know, I thought too much about myself. And I don't know any man that's ever said that to me. I don't know any man that's ever talked about it. Let me ask you this. What do you say to the woman that comes to a live event or is gonna come to, you know, your book tour, and you know, you're gonna have a lot of people again, like the Beatles, but they're going to say to you, I don't. I don't love myself and I need some tools.

[Jenny Garth]

I hear it all the time.

[Tamsen]

What do you say?

[Jenny Garth]

Struggle with loving themselves. For me, I really want people to just be introspective, to think about their life, what they've accomplished, what they've lived through, what they've survived, and take account for everything, the good and the bad and the ugly. And then I want them to walk into the bathroom and look at themselves in the mirror and wade through all the thoughts that are negative about their image that they're seeing back at them and get to the core of that person behind your eyes, that person that's inside you. Even that little girl that's scared inside of you, that's always been scared with all this craziness happening around her, whatever your life circumstances are, and I want you to tell her that you love her and that you are here for her and that there's nothing to be afraid of. I've got you.

[Tamsen]

Did that change things for you when you actually did that and went through the. Went through the motions of doing that? Do you still do it?

[Jenny Garth]

I still do it all the time. And it, and it. Honestly, you know, I'm kind of a realist. And I. I think that we are born into this world alone. We leave this earth alone. And really all we've got while we're here is ourselves. We can love people and have amazing relationships and connections and support one another, but at the end of the day, I'm all I've got.

[Tamsen]

You're really right about that. You're very right about it. I think about it a lot after, you know, like, losing my mother, losing my stepmother. And I was like, wow, I've been faced with those kind of end of life things. And it does make me more appreciative for the years that we have. You know, I grew up in the 80s and the 90s, and I felt like there was. And especially in television, there was a lot of competing with women, a lot of competing. And I know that Assume Hollywood is no exception.

[Jenny Garth]

Oh, no.

[Tamsen]

I found myself doing that, and I. I never enjoyed it, but I felt like that was the only thing I'm. You know, that's all I knew to do.

[Jenny Garth]

It felt so yucky. Right?

[Tamsen]

It felt awful.

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah.

[Tamsen]

It felt.

[Jenny Garth]

Made me feel bad about myself when I would act. You know, I kind of think out of alignment with what. Who I really am and what I really believe in. It was. Like I said before, it was fight or flight. It was survival of the fittest.

[Tamsen]

How's that changed in your 50s?

[Jenny Garth]

I surround myself with women that are like you, successful, intelligent, have words of wisdom to share with me, things that I can learn from, and I just soak it all in. And I love learning from women now. I'd rather be in a room full of women than anywhere.

[Tamsen]

Me, too.

[Jenny Garth]

Because there's just such a vibe, there's such an energy that we can create under the right circumstances. And it's. There's. It's just. It's so important. It's vital to, like, our sisterhood, our com. You know, we're in this together as women.

[Tamsen]

What is the event you're having on the 20? Is it 25th? I don't want to forget to ask you that. What is the event?

[Jenny Garth]

Yes, it's. I choose. Me, too.

[Tamsen]

Oh, good, Good, good, good.

[Jenny Garth]

So very similar. We're kind of expanding. We have a whole new lineup of great panelists.

[Tamsen]

Good.

[Jenny Garth]

We're doing a mantle this year.

[Tamsen]

Oh, good. Men's panel.

[Jenny Garth]

That ought to be fun. We have a marketplace, a bigger marketplace this time, so I'm really looking forward to it.

[Tamsen]

I love that. Let me ask you this. What has gotten better as you've aged? I have to ask. I have some of the good things I have. What's gotten worse, too?

[Jenny Garth]

I can ask you both better as I've aged.

[Tamsen]

Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

I think just my love, my grace for myself, my acceptance.

[Tamsen]

Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

Of myself, my not giving a. What other people think ultimately good about me or what I say or do. You need to be worried about yourself. What's gotten better? Everything has gotten better. My capacity to love has gotten better. My capacity to be there for other people. Because I can really sort of focus now.

[Tamsen]

Yeah. On. On other people.

[Jenny Garth]

On other people and listening.

[Tamsen]

And I feel like you're really creative, and maybe you're always creative all along, but you've got a clothing line now. You've. I mean, you're. You are constantly on. On the go.

[Jenny Garth]

I said. When I turned 50, I said, I have 10 years in me. I told My manager, Randy, I said, listen, let's. Let's do this. The next 10 years are going to be insane. I want to throw everything out there that I've ever wanted to do and see what happens. Because, honestly, I really want to leave something for my girls. I want to leave, you know, messages for them at least, that I was never afraid of going for it, never afraid of failing. And I feel like I wanted to have. At 60, I want to have that moment where I say to myself, what do you want next?

[Tamsen]

I know you're going to have that. There's no question.

[Jenny Garth]

We all get there.

[Tamsen]

We all get there. We've talked about menopause before, you and I. Can I ask you some of that? Sure. All right. You seem like you're doing amazing, and perimenopause is this very, very tumultuous time. And I think we all kind of went, oh, my gosh, what the hell is this that's going on? Do you have some secrets for perimenopause for women that are out there listening? Because somebody asked me the other day, and I. I think every once in a while, I'm like, yeah, just eat more protein. And, you know, because I've gotten past some of those times. Do you have secrets in perimenopause of what happened? What. What was helpful to you in perimenopause?

[Jenny Garth]

Just go ahead and sleep naked. I've never had that one there with the clothes, because you're gonna get hot, they're gonna come off. Just don't even waste your time.

[Tamsen]

Were you shocked by. By any of the symptoms, or did you already know what was happening to you?

[Jenny Garth]

Oh, I had no idea that, you know, I didn't. I thought I was losing my mind. I thought I was getting Alzheimer's. I was very concerned. I walk into the room 50 times a day and say, does anybody know why I'm in here? And they would just laugh at me, but I'd be like, no. Really? Somebody tell me why I just walked into this room. I cannot remember. I would have brain fog in the middle of sentences, in the middle of interviews, in the middle of podcasting, where I literally have to say, I have no idea what I was just thinking. Can we start over?

[Tamsen]

Did you know what was going on at that time?

[Jenny Garth]

No.

[Tamsen]

So you were just.

[Jenny Garth]

Now that I do, I'm like, okay, just brain fog one second.

[Tamsen]

Yes.

[Jenny Garth]

And I can reset a lot easier. But it made me panic. I thought, can I not have a conversation anymore? Can I not track what's happening around me? And I think just the body, the achy feeling and the lethargic, you know, just the lack of confidence, all of it, it was really disturbing. And I did not know how to identify it as a loss of estrogen.

[Tamsen]

None of us did.

[Jenny Garth]

And once I, you know, started really getting educated.

[Tamsen]

Sure.

[Jenny Garth]

Hanging out with people like you. Hanging out. Hanging out with Dr. Mary Claire Haver, really learning about it. Was it just so freeing? Because you're like, okay, I'm not crazy. Yes. This is happening to everyone. Yes. Let's all talk about it.

[Tamsen]

Doesn't that change everything?

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah.

[Tamsen]

I mean, I feel like I have my toolkit of the things that I did and do all the time, but I. But I think the biggest one is having a voice in it.

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah.

[Tamsen]

And really. And really understanding those symptoms and not just laughing about them, which we did, you know, in the media for such a really, really long time. It was just crazy to scare the women.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes. I love helping women, too, that come to me and ask me questions, or I had a makeup artist recently that I was working with, and she just seemed inside herself and lost and just a kind of, like, grayness to her. And I was like, what is going on? And she told me her symptoms, and I was like, do you know anything about perimenopause? She said, no, not really.

[Tamsen]

Wow.

[Jenny Garth]

And I said, let's get you a book. Gave her Dr. Clay. Dr. Haver's book. Gave her your book, I think. And it changed everything for her. Next time I saw her, she was alive, vibrant. She had gone to her doctor, got some.

[Tamsen]

Wow.

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah.

[Tamsen]

Isn't that game changing to pass it along to somebody?

[Jenny Garth]

It really does feel good. I love helping people.

[Tamsen]

Yeah. I. Well, I see it. I mean, you're doing it all the time, but I think you're also helping them beyond symptoms. You're helping them really with that next level of what we all need, which is who am I? What you were saying, you said you were lost. Like, people might look at you and go, like, how could you be lost? She's got all these things going on. But I do think that we feel that during this time because we're looking for a different kind of purpose.

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah. We naturally want more. We've reached this level, and it's been incredible. And look at all that you've done. Wow. But we're equipped now. We're wiser. We have more, you know, ability to want and do more and. And. And have an effect on. On our neighbor or humanity or just on our children, whatever it is. But it's just stepping into that beautiful, divine power that all of us women have. It's just about tapping into it.

[Tamsen]

Do you think you're unfinished?

[Jenny Garth]

Always. I'll always be a work in progress. Absolutely.

[Tamsen]

You have the line at qvc. Can you talk about it? If people don't know, we're going to make sure there's a link in the show notes, so we. You. But you're really busy with that, right? You have new collections constantly.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes. Every month we have just new ideas and new drops. And it's just so fun going and connecting with our audience live through the camera. And we read every review, every comment, and I feel like it's this big, beautiful family. Anyone that works at qvc, shops at qvc, has ever heard about QVC from their grandma. That is the most beautiful work environment I've ever been in.

[Tamsen]

It's pretty incredible, isn't it? And it's how so many of us met each other.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes.

[Tamsen]

I remember.

[Jenny Garth]

We're the quintessential 50.

[Tamsen]

Yes. The Q50. I had your. You. You created this vest set. Cause I love vests. You know, I do that yellow vest, top and bottom. And I remember, like, oh, my gosh, this is so cool. Did you. Did you always love clothes and fashion, or is this something that you took an interest in later on?

[Jenny Garth]

I've gone through phases where I'm into it and where I'm not, and where I'm like, just tell me what to wear. I don't even care. I've gone through phases where I want a uniform, like, I only want white shirts and black pants. Make my life easier. Then there's that part of me that loves style and expression, and I just. Just being able to create clothes that I live in and love and feel so comfortable in, it makes me so happy to be able to share that with other women because it boosts your confidence. You show up differently in the world. When you feel good about yourself, you feel like you're in your own skin.

[Tamsen]

I was so excited when they said you were going to do a line there. I thought it was really, really great.

[Jenny Garth]

I mean, we're doing things at QVC that I don't think have been at qvc.

[Tamsen]

I agree with you.

[Jenny Garth]

It's interesting tasting. It's fun. It's exciting to find that audience. And we have incredible customers. Phyllis, who's 83, says she looks. She feels sexy in our denim. I'm done. That's it. That's all I care about. And my daughter is 23, wears our clothes, believes in, is so passionate about the message.

[Tamsen]

And you do it with your daughter, right?

[Jenny Garth]

I do. Lola and I, we're partners. We. She's my chief creative officer.

[Tamsen]

Oh, wow. So what does she do?

[Jenny Garth]

She really does everything.

[Tamsen]

Oh, good.

[Jenny Garth]

We design together. We. She creates every photo shoot. We do photo shoots every month.

[Tamsen]

Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

And that's, for us, a very creative outlet, and we love it. And she does everything. She makes the call sheets, she gets the craft service, she styles the looks. She's behind the camera. It's. She's really learning so much, and I can't wait to see where this leads her.

[Tamsen]

I didn't realize that's how much you were doing. Like, I didn't realize it was a very month of a drop.

[Jenny Garth]

We're already styling for fall of 20. 27 at the time, same point.

[Tamsen]

Fall of 27?

[Jenny Garth]

Yes.

[Tamsen]

It's like, in a year and a half.

[Jenny Garth]

It's. It's just. You have to be ahead of it. Things take a long time, and, you know, crazy things are happening in the world.

[Tamsen]

I know, I know.

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah. But it's just so exciting. It's fun. It keeps you going.

[Tamsen]

I think it's wonderful. What are you loving these days? You're doing the line. You're doing podcast. You're going to be on a book tour. I think, you know, if a woman comes up to you and says, I, you know, I choose. You know, I want to learn how to choose me, what's the one thing you want that woman who's listening to you right now to do?

[Jenny Garth]

First, listen to your instincts. Like, get quiet and ask yourself, what do you. What do you want next? Because define it, and then live your life as if you already have it, and you will step right into it.

[Tamsen]

I think that we're seeing more women do that because they hear more women like you speaking up.

[Jenny Garth]

Mm.

[Tamsen]

I really appreciate it. Thank you for taking the time.

[Jenny Garth]

You're so welcome.

[Tamsen]

Oh, my gosh. I'm very, very happy for you, Jenny. You're gonna be all over the place, right? People can come find you. The book is out. What's gonna be out by the time we do this.

[Jenny Garth]

So book is out. It's. I love hearing how it resonates with people. So tell me what you think.

[Tamsen]

Thank you.

[Jenny Garth]

Thank you.

[Tamsen]

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