Juan Alessi (3:07)

Yeah.

Tara Palmieri (3:08)

Okay. After Daddy died, she was broke and desperate to return to the high life. He mysteriously died, just like Jeffrey Epstein, off the side of his yacht, the Lady Galen. And Galen did not believe that it was suicide. Even though he was stealing pensions from the employees at the Daily Mirror, the paper that he owned. A lot of people believed that he was killed by Mossad, that he was helping the Israeli Intelligence Agency. And after all, since he was bankrupting his own company and stealing from the pensioners, he would suddenly be more likely to be blackmailed. Right? He would be in a more compromising position. After his death. He was buried at the Mount of Olives in Israel, where prime ministers, princes, kings and presidents are buried. And by the way, when he died, it was Glenn who told the yacht crew to destroy all the documents on the boat. She must have an idea what Daddy was up to. But when he died, he died in scandal and disrepute. And he left no money for Galen. So she fled the country in shame. She was a socialite in the uk, so she headed to the Upper east side where socialites lived. But she lived in a one bedroom apartment and that was a horror to her. She sobbed over the fact that she was broke. Just listened to how she described her new lifestyle to her friend Christina Oxenberg. This is from Power, the Maxwells.

Christina Oxenberg (4:41)

I am broke. She said it more than once. I didn't question it. I've been broke most of my life. You know, there've been ups and downs and sometimes it's been $7 in the bank and I have asked for sandwiches from friends. It's happened. So when she said she was broke, I took it literally.

Tara Palmieri (5:02)

And then Galen meets Jeffrey Epstein and suddenly she's living in a multimillion dollar townhouse. Back to the high life. Somebody to fill in for the role of daddy number three. Once she found Jeffrey, she was desperate to impress him. Just like her relationship with her father. She settled for breadcrumbs from Jeffrey. She told people she craved his love, but he only wanted children. So she went to great lengths to find them, to molest them alongside of him. But still she wanted to be seen by Jeffrey. So she got a helicopter pilot's license to impress him. She even begged Christina to ghostwrite a memoir for her, hoping that the story would help Epstein see her differently, really. But when Christina asked her about the girls, this is how Galen described them.

Christina Oxenberg (5:59)

And she says, they are nothing, they are trash. Her words.

Tara Palmieri (6:06)

Number four, she hated Epstein. He belittled her in public and treated her terribly. When Virginia Roberts and I traveled around the country for broken Jeffrey Epstein, we found a witness who would open the door to us and speak to us, who had never spoken to the press before. And that was Epstein's longtime houseman, Juan Alessi, who literally drove Maxwell the day she found Virginia in the Mar A Lago spa. That that was part of his job, to show fir Maxwell around every day to find three girls to satisfy this Epstein's sexual desires. And he saw Virginia and he said, oh, wow, she is young, she is beautiful, and she will probably be back at the house. Right? When Juan and Virginia sat down together on his couch, it was so weird to me to hear them almost gossiping about their terrible boss, Galen Maxwell, and what it was like to work for her. And even more so, their confusion over her relationship with Epstein. Take a listen to Alessi and how he is describing some interactions with Ghislaine while he drove her around looking for girls.

Juan Alessi (7:12)

I told her many times, I said, because she would sometimes come out crying in the car for me to drive, right? And I says, ghislaine, wow, why are you doing this? Why are you staying with this guy? I hate him. I hate him. But Jambre, I can't leave. Why? You have money?

Tara Palmieri (7:31)

Yeah. Well, after this episode was filmed, we found out that Galen sued Epstein's estate, saying that he promised to always provide for her financially in terms of her legal bills that she would face from procuring girls for him over the years. Sounds like he promised to provide for her for the rest of the her life for this kind of service, this kind of criminal service. And by the way, while we were interviewing Alessi, the FBI called him. It's all on tape.

Juan Alessi (8:03)

I think this is apa.

Tara Palmieri (8:04)

Yeah. The FBI called in the middle of our conversation.

Juan Alessi (8:09)

Don't say a word. Hello. Hi, how are you? How you doing?

Tara Palmieri (8:15)

Virginia and I are staring at Juan, hardly able to believe that of all the times the FBI would call, that would be at the exact moment we're talking to him. We were spooked. Were they following us? And Virginia's phone? It exploded later on that night, likely from being pinged by cell phone towers. Was law enforcement tracking us? Possibly. Number five. I can't overstate how many times I hear from the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein that Ghislaine Maxwell was so much worse than him. They feel very betrayed by her. Her cruelty just cut deeper because of betrayal trauma. She was the person who played the role of the friend, the mentor, the safe person, the woman. She was the one driving around her Ralph Lauren with her little dog named Max, pointing out girls and telling them, you're beautiful. You. You could be a model. I know Les Wexner from Victoria's Secret, which she did know. I'm going to make your dreams come true. Just come with me to this old man's house up on the Upper east side. She was the one who told them that she would protect them from Jeffrey Epstein. And all she did was lure them into the trap where she was the one to take off Virginia's panties first before Epstein molested her. And she was the one to fondle Annie Farmer's 16 year old breast before Jeffrey Epstein jumped into the bed. She was the one who gained their trust. She was the one who said that she would provide for them and care for them. And then she was the one who dug in the first knife. She is the reason why so many of them felt betrayed. Take a listen to Annie and our conversation here.

Annie Farmer (10:04)

She was a huge part of connecting Epstein to the people he was able to access. Her presence alone, as I think, helped people feel safe. I know in my case, I felt after, you know, my first encounter with Epstein, I was certainly on edge because of some of the ways he had interacted with me. But then when I learned I'd been invited to the ranch and that Ghislaine was going to be there, I agreed to go because I thought, well, nothing could happen because this is his partner and she would, you know, as a woman, like, I will be safe because of her presence. And I think that that was the case for many people involved. It's not just, you know, organizing or luring. I mean, she's a participant in the abuse.

Tara Palmieri (10:47)

So the next time you hear Free Ghislaine or somebody, ask, well, maybe she's a victim. Does she deserve clemency? Tell them who she really is. Send them this video. Tell them to check out my work@tarapaulmieri.com because if the MAGA movement really wants to take down a cabal of elite pedophiles, we should probably start at the top of a woman who created an entire human sex trafficking operation, probably one of the biggest in our country of our time, to impress a billionaire who could fill in the hole that daddy left behind this was a woman who just wanted to live the high life, and now she's living well. She was living the low life in a federal prison and now she's at a prison camp. And who knows what's next? I was talking to Maria Farmer the other day, and she was saying she's afraid that it's going to be house arrest next and then it'll be a pardon. And that is what the survivors fear so much after they gave up so much of their time and they really had to live through their traumas all over again to tell the stories of what happened to them and to see Ghislaine Maxwell inching towards freedom, it just feels, feels unfair and it feels unjust. And that's why we're here right now. So thank you to everyone who's new to the channel. Thank you to everyone who's been with me alongside of me. You can support me by sharing this with your friends. Subscribing, leaving a review. If you're listening to this rating this if you're, if you're finding it on itunes or Spotify. I do want to thank my producer, Eric Oppenhati and the rest of the Tara Palmieri show team. That's Adam Stewart on the thumbnails, Sarah Carney doing social media. My team, Luke Radle and Abby Baker doing social research and a quiz. Every week. I'm going to continue to stay on the story. It takes a lot of energy emotionally and it's, it's a deep and dark one. And in these scary times, you got to get it right. So I am trying to work through all of it and I hope you'll be patient with me and support me along the way. I'll be back again soon.