BOMBSHELL Email: Epstein Didn’t Deny Virginia Giuffre’s Sex Claim About Ex-Prince Andrew

Summary

The Tara Palmeri Show

Episode: BOMBSHELL Email: Epstein Didn’t Deny Virginia Giuffre’s Sex Claim About Ex-Prince Andrew

Date: February 17, 2026
Host: Tara Palmeri
Guests/Panelists: Piers Morgan, David Boies, Michael Tracy, John Kiriakou, Mike Benz

---

Episode Overview

This episode dives deeply into new revelations from the Epstein files, focusing on a bombshell email where Jeffrey Epstein failed to deny that Virginia Giuffre (née Roberts) had sex with former Prince Andrew (now Andrew Mountbatten Windsor). Tara Palmeri and an expert panel discuss the sustained smear campaigns against victims, the incomplete release of Epstein files, media complicity, legal perspectives, and the ongoing push for transparency and accountability for powerful individuals involved in the Epstein saga.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bombshell Epstein Email and Its Implications

• Context: Newly released Epstein files include a 2015 email from journalist Landon Thomas to Epstein, referencing Prince Andrew (now Mountbatten Windsor) and Virginia Giuffre.
• The Email:
  Thomas’s email suggests, “he [Andrew] had consensual sex with VR [Virginia Roberts] and VR worked for you. The rest is atmospherics. You have moved on.”
• Epstein's Response:
  Epstein replies with dismissiveness rather than denial:

  “This is old news. Buy dollar and take a nap. Kind of like buying Apple.” (paraphrased, [06:12])
  Notably, Epstein offers no denial to this core allegation.

• Tara’s Analysis:
  Tara underscores the lack of denial:

  "He doesn’t say, ‘No, it's not true’... It’s gross that reporters were consulting him on cleaning up his image as a sex offender and known pedophile." ([03:18])

• Media Complicity:
  Thomas Landon allegedly sought money from Epstein and never published about the scandal.

2. Media and Power Networks Enabling Epstein

• Discussion of Journalists’ Ethics:
  • Other journalists (e.g., Michael Wolff) had close relationships with Epstein and sought financial/personal favors, raising questions about hidden stories.
  • Steve Bannon’s recorded interviews with Epstein, and media figures with financial or personal proximity to Epstein, are scrutinized for failures of public disclosure and journalistic duty.
• Quote:

  "Could you imagine... if those people controlled the press, we might never have heard of the MeToo movement." – Tara ([04:42])

3. Release, Redaction, and Concealment of Epstein Files

• Pam Bondi’s Announcement:
  Only 3.5 million out of 6 million files are released; 2.5 million are withheld, raising questions about motives: victim protection vs. national security.
• Discussion:
  Tensions surface about selective redactions and “case closed” announcements, fueling conspiracy and public distrust.
  • “It’s all very confusing. We don’t know what they’ll actually do with any of this.” – Tara ([07:35])
• High-Profile Names:
  The file dump included celebrities, politicians, and business figures; names alone do not indicate wrongdoing.

4. Continuing Smear Campaigns Against Victims & Journalists

• Michael Tracy’s Critique:
  Tracy argues the “Epstein mythology” is overblown, claims lack of credible evidence for a global conspiracy, and targets lawyers and journalists like Tara and David Boies as fomenting moral panic.
  • “People like Tara Palmeri and David Boies are convincing untold millions that there was some enormous child rape atrocity...” ([13:21])
• Tara’s Response and Attack:
  Tara rebuts Tracy’s criticism, questions his motives, and stands by her reporting and fact-checking:

  “Who do you work for, Michael? ... Are you being paid by any of the men who’ve been accused by Jeffrey Epstein?” ([56:37])

  • Tracy evades, then responds indignantly ([57:15]–[59:00]); Piers notes, “Astonishing coincidence that you suddenly lost your hearing when you were asked a very difficult question...” ([57:26])

5. Legal Perspective: David Boies Interview

• Overwhelming Evidence:
  • David Boies:

    “The idea that anybody can, with a straight face, deny that this was a massive sex trafficking scheme, is between absurd and pathetic. We have the testimony of dozens, dozens, many dozens of young women, girls... police reports... photographs... emails...” ([25:42])

• Settlements and Accountability:
  • Prince Andrew’s settlement with Giuffre (reportedly $12M–$16M) is discussed as an act of evasion, not evidence of innocence ([24:00]–[25:00]).
  • Boies insists that the release of files is not full transparency and calls for further Congressional or judicial intervention ([27:37]).
• Presidents Trump and Clinton:
  • Boies sees no evidence implicating either in sex trafficking ([29:39]).
• Obligation of Witnesses and Suspects:
  • Emphasizes that Prince Andrew and Lord Mandelson should testify, with guarantees of safe passage if needed ([32:14], [37:48]).
• On Maxwell and Clemency:
  • Strongly opposes any notion of clemency for Ghislaine Maxwell:

    “There is no basis, none, for clemency. To give clemency or pardon... would be a travesty.” ([42:41])

6. Panel & Expert Insights

• John Kiriakou (former CIA):
  • Asserts Epstein was likely a Mossad 'access agent,' and possibly an intelligence broker for CIA, FBI, MI5, MI6 ([48:24]).
  • Criticizes Maxwell's “special treatment” in US prison system as “just wrong” ([47:12]).
• Mike Benz (ex-State Dept.):
  • Calls for a Congressional declassification approach akin to the JFK Records Act ([49:41], [51:49]).
  • Spotlights deep State and institutional protection of power.
• Piers Morgan’s Reflections:
  • Emphasizes lack of genuine transparency:

    “You can't hold back 3 million files and say, that's all you’re getting. Right. The conspiracy theories will continue to rage...” ([17:02])

  • Pushes for full disclosure with redaction of only victims’ identities.
• Michael Tracy (continued):
  • Doubles down on skepticism, suggesting the “mass hysteria” serves law firms seeking multimillion-dollar settlements ([54:45]).
  • Claims no credible court-adjudicated proof of widespread sex trafficking beyond self-identified “victims.”

7. Tara Palmeri’s Reporting Values

• Tara emphasizes the diligence, rigor, and ethical foundation in her investigation, particularly her collaboration with Giuffre and broader investigation into the Epstein case:

  “I always made sure to have two sources on everything, at least. And we use the same fact checker that they used at the New Yorker for their Harvey Weinstein coverage…” ([11:12])

• She confirms her commitment to exposing the abuses of the powerful and supporting victims, despite personal attacks.

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On the unreleased files:

  “You can’t hold back 3 million files and say, that’s all you’re getting. Right. The conspiracy theories will continue to rage.”
  – Piers Morgan ([17:02])

• Epstein’s non-denial email:

  “This is old news. Buy dollar and take a nap. Kind of like buying Apple.”
  – Jeffrey Epstein ([06:12], as read by Tara Palmeri)

• On the scope of evidence:

  “The evidence is just overwhelming. ... It’s not a close call.”
  – David Boies ([25:42])

• On media failures:

  “It just explains why in 2015 he knew this story. And yet I don’t remember him reporting on the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, do you?”
  – Tara Palmeri ([04:18])

• On Michael Tracy’s line of questioning:

  “Who do you work for, Michael? ... Are you being paid by any of the men who’ve been accused by Jeffrey Epstein?”
  – Tara Palmeri ([56:37])

• On Maxwell and clemency:

  “There is no basis, none, for clemency… That would be a travesty.”
  – David Boies ([42:41])

---

Important Segment Timestamps

• Epstein Email and Media Complicity: [03:00]–[07:00]
• Pam Bondi, Epstein File Redactions: [07:30]–[08:45]
• Panel Opening (Morgan, Palmeri, Tracy): [13:21]–[19:21]
• David Boies Legal Interventions: [25:42]–[45:46]
  (Key topics: overwhelming evidence, Prince Andrew’s accountability, full transparency, Trump/Clinton, Maxwell’s clemency)
• Intelligence, Media, and the State:
  Mike Benz and John Kiriakou on intelligence ties and the need for further declassification ([46:37]–[52:23])
• Climactic Crossfire (Palmeri vs. Tracy): [55:54]–[59:35]

---

Episode Flow & Tone

The episode maintains Tara Palmeri’s forthright, adversarial investigative style—fearless in pursuit of accountability, deeply critical of institutional failings, and unsparing of journalists and power brokers who enabled or minimized Epstein’s crimes. Heated moments between panelists emphasize the ongoing battle over public narratives, journalistic credibility, and the fight for full disclosure. The high-profile legal and media voices offer authority, while personal attacks and evasions highlight the stakes and sensitivities surrounding the Epstein case’s legacy.

---

Conclusion

This episode offers a compelling look into the latest revelations from the Epstein files, interrogates media, legal, and governmental complicity, and documents the ongoing struggle for transparency and justice for victims. Tara Palmeri asserts the importance of independent journalism in exposing cover-ups perpetrated by the world’s most powerful figures.

Transcript

[Tara Palmeri]

This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever think about switching insurance companies to see if you could save some cash? Progressive makes it easy to see if you could save when you bundle your home and auto policies. Try [e-mail] Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Potential savings will vary. Not available in all states.

[Michael Tracy]

Recant it against John Luke Brunel. So you defend the credit.

[Piers Morgan]

Let her speaker. I'll cut your mind.

[Michael Tracy]

Your journalistic collaborator.

[John Kiriakou]

Go ahead.

[Tara Palmeri]

Do you work. Who do you work for, Michael? Because I've never met anyone in my entire life who would. So, yeah, like who's paying you? Who do you work for? I think a lot of people are wondering this because I've never seen anyone quite like you going after victims of sex crimes and attacking them like this. So you must be being paid by someone in power who does not like these accusations that have been made against them. And I think, I think it's fair to ask, are you being paid by any of the men who've been accused by Jeffrey Epstein?

[Michael Tracy]

I'm having trouble hearing right now. I wish I could respond to whatever nonsense she just blurted out. Inflammatory nonsense. Maybe somebody can.

[Piers Morgan]

Astonishing. An astonishing coincidence that you suddenly lost your hearing when you were asked a very difficult question and rather telling it, I may say.

[Tara Palmeri]

Welcome back to the Tara Palmieri show. The Epstein files just keep showing us that there was truly a smear campaign over decades against the victims who shared identical stories of abuse by Jeffrey Epstein and his friends. The smear campaign was unjustified and horrific. And sadly, as you hear in this episode of Piers Morgan, it continues even though there is so much overwhelming evidence, including the FBI's own statements that there were a thousand victims. And so it's sad that this is still happening. I was also dragged in this as someone who has been reporting very vigorously on the Epstein story since 2019, when I worked on the Broken Jeffrey Epstein podcast and reported alongside Virginia Giuffre, who is one of the most prominent Epstein victims, sadly no longer alive. But you know, we're going to get into that today. Who in her life wasn't hiding for a really big part of it until she decided to come forward. And sadly, she wanted to sit down for an interview with ABC News, but they decided to kill it for, for the crown. That's according to their reporter Amy Robach, who was caught on tape talking about it. And now we have some new email in the Epstein files that shows Epstein communicating with a former journalist at the New York Times in which he doesn't refute the fact that Virginia Giuffre, known as her maiden name, Virginia Roberts in these files, or VR head sex with Andrew Matthew Mountbatten Windsor. Apologies that I called him Prince, but just came out. But he is now Andrew Mountbatten Windsor. He lost his title at 17 years old. Now, let's not forget, he has denied ever meeting her. Okay. When called to testify in the United States, he decided to pay a historic civil settlement, which is estimated to be more than $10 million to Virginia Jufre. I want to read you this email and I want to go into the email too, because the email is disturbing too. Just the fact that Jeffrey Epstein had these kind of relationships with reporters who were consulting him on how to clean up his image as a sex offender and known pedophile is gross. Well, this journalist, by the way, Thomas Landon, no longer works the Times, and that was because he asked Jeffrey Epstein for $30,000 for a. A charity. Yeah, and there's more. We'll talk about that later. But first, I want to read the email that Thomas Landon sends to. Sorry, it's Landon Thomas, excuse me, sends to Jeffrey Epstein on January 16, 2015. Okay. He said, I think the big issue is separating yourself from Andrew. I mean, I can see why a statement might help in some way, but it's Andrew, not Clinton and the rest that is keeping the story alive. Until you are able to come forward and address that story, it lives on. I mean, in the end, he had consensual sex with VR and VR worked for you. VR is Virginia Roberts. The rest is atmospherics. You have moved on. People don't know that and can't accept that unless you say as much. Yeah. And Jeffrey Epstein says this is old news. Buy dollar and take a nap. Kind of like buying Apple. Yeah, that's his response. No refuting it. Nothing in there. He says, no, it's not true, but the truth is that he didn't have sex with Virginia Roberts. No, this is not right. Because below that, Jeffrey Epstein has a lot of denials and exceptions to what's been reported about him. Yes, you can read that email, too. I'm not going to go through all of it, but let's just say he called Jane Doe 1 and two local strippers that would call asking for massages. Yep, he defames the victims, as always. Yeah, it's pretty bad. But yeah, these are the kinds of things that are being discovered in the Epstein files because Remember, there are 3.5 million. Most of it, a lot of it is redacted of 6 million, 2.5 million Pam Bondi says we won't be seeing because they're done releasing the files, according to her, as in compliance with the Epstein Transparency Act. Now we'll get into that later too. But I want to talk for a minute about this journalist Landon Thomas. Okay. He no longer works at the New York Times. He obviously had a disgusting relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and highly unprofessional. Just explains why in 2015 he knew this story. And yet I don't remember him reporting on the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, do you? I don't remember that. Then I think about Michael Wolf, also someone who spent a lot of time with Jeffrey Epstein has tapes. Jeffrey Epstein in their conversation, some that we still haven't seen. Why hasn't he released them? Oh, right, he also asked Jeffrey Epstein for money. Right. Do you remember that he wanted to buy New York magazine with Harvey Weinstein and he was wanting to use Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein as his backers. Think about that. Could you imagine we would never know any of the scandals, probably that about around the MeToo movement if never even happened, that kind of power over the press. And there's Steve Bannon and all the hours he spent with Jeffrey Epstein. And now we're starting to see some of the footage from those emails and those interviews. But where was he? I mean those. That was from way back. That's from before 2000. That was around 2019. That was even earlier. I mean, why hasn't he ever come clean and told us everything he knows about Jeffrey Epstein? Why are these so called journalists, people who own, you know, media companies, podcasts, this, that. Why, why do we know everything? All right, now I want to get back to Pam Bondi. Pam Bondi sends an email. Not really. She sends a letter. Excuse me, to Congress saying we're done releasing the Epstein files. 3.5 million of 6 million. Okay. We don't know why. Why the 2.5 million are not being released should only be because it is about victims or national security. But even if it's about national security, that's obviously intriguing based on what we know, considering the fact that Epstein's own lawyers asked the CIA and the NSA for proof of affiliation with them. Is that why, Is that why those are of national interest and security and we can't see them? You won't know. Right? So she says we're done. Kind of like she said, case closed back in July, but now it's reopened to target Democrats. Yeah, but she did release 300 names of people who were mentioned in the files. Very Bizarre. Some of them included Elvis Presley and Marilyn Monroe. Here are some of the names. Trump, Barack and Michelle Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Hakeem Jeffries, Prince Harry, Margaret Thatcher. Just people who were named random. Beyonce, Bono, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk. Now, obviously we know everybody who's named is different, like Bill Gates, who's obviously very close with Jeffrey Epstein and actually be divorced because of it. Janis Joplin, Cher, George Clooney. Obviously, names don't mean wrongdoing. But she decided to send them over and it's all very confusing. We don't know what they're actually going to do with any of this. But see, seems like she's trying to wash her hands. She's clean of this. Now we're going to go into the Piers Morgan show where I am attacked for my journalism, but I can tell you that I'm attacked by someone named Michael Tracy who literally showed up at the Epstein Files Transparency act rally back in September and put camera, his cell phone camera up to the face of various survivors and was. Was grilling them and almost harassing them to the point that he had to be removed. It was horrible. Okay? He has been on a smear campaign against them and by extension, me as a journalist, as a journalist who believes that I work in the truth business and that is my business trust. I'm building that through the Tara Palmary show and the Red Letter community, which I hope you guys can all support by subscribing, following, sharing with your friends, going to tarapalm.com you know, becoming a paid subscriber to the Red Letter, it's how you can get my independent journalism in your inbox. So I am doing what I believe is my calling. And this has been the most important story of my life. Even back in 2019, I said that even when people didn't care about the Epstein story, I've always said that this is the most important story of my life. Now he attacks me. I really don't get too worked up about it. I asked him a very pointed question and he claims he can't hear me, which is amazing. It was a very pointed yes or no question. You should listen to this interview because it's quite interesting to see it's at the end that he is. Just isn't. Wouldn't answer really. And then I asked Piers Morgan to answer it and then he calls me an idiot. It's really quite dark. So my reporting, which I did with Virginia Giuffre, we, we drove around the country. And we tried to find witnesses to corroborate her story. We looked for evidence and she wasn't the only victim I worked with. I worked with a number of them and lawyers, witnesses and people who worked for Jeffrey Epstein and just general sources, some of whom I couldn't publish. But I always made sure to have two sources on everything, at least. And we use the same fact checker that they used at the New Yorker for their Harvey Weinstein coverage. And as you remember, that coverage kicked off the MeToo movement. Parker Henry was our fact checker. She was incredible, incredibly thorough. The fact checking process took months. It was rigorous and I'm not going to get defensive about it because I stand by all of my work and I hope you all go to broken Jeffrey Eppen Epstein and you listen to it for yourself. But I find it pretty rich to be attacked. And every single day we see emails that prove that Virginia Giuffre was honest and telling the truth and her life was brutal and sad. And yeah, I do a lot of this in dedication to her. So we're going to get into all of this on the Piers Morgan Show. But first, a word from my sponsor. This is a Monday.com ad, the same Monday.com helping people worldwide getting work done fast, faster and better. The samemonday.com designed for every team and every industry. The same Monday.com with built in AI scaling your work from day one. The same Monday.com that your team will actually love using the samemonday.com with an easy and intuitive setup. Go to Monday.com and try it for free. Yes, the same Monday.com we're going to take a beat for a second to hear from my partner. Chapter Millions of seniors are on the wrong Medicare plan. And chapter makes finding the right one simple. They scan all of the plans in under 20 minutes and they find the right one for you. Saving seniors on average eleven hundred dollars. It's free. And if you're already on the right plan, they'll just tell you. And it gives you peace of mind. So for free and unbiased Medicare help, dial 305-515-5237 to speak with my trusted partner chapter or go to askchapter.org Tara.

[Michael Tracy]

The Epstein mythology have simply never been supported by anything close to the degree of credible evidence. People like Tara Palmieri and David Boies are convincing untold millions that there was some enormous child rape atrocity. So David Boies can add to his extortion of the British royal family.

[Piers Morgan]

We've got a Better person. Person to respond, actually, because I'm now joined by David Boies.

[David Boies]

You can always find somebody to deny anything. The idea that anybody can, with a straight face, deny that this was a massive sex trafficking scheme is between absurd and pathetic.

[Piers Morgan]

You may seek to depose Meghan Markle as she may have important knowledge. Do you still think she may have information that could be useful?

[David Boies]

I think that's quite likely. Mr. Dershowitz, like a lot of other people and serve themselves a lot better by coming clean.

[Piers Morgan]

Nobody is above the law, said the UK's top prosecutor. But Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, the former prince, is facing a police investigation for leaking trade secrets to Jeffrey Epstein. A sex scandal cost him his royal status. A white collar crime may yet cost him his freedom. And pressure is continuing to build on the former prince to testify in the US In a country where many are frustrated about the lack of serious consequences for Epstein's pals, fueled by the idea that we still don't have the full story. This is not going away for Andrew or for the royal family. Well, David Boies represented the late Virginia Giuffre in her civil case against Andrew, who reportedly paid $16 million to avoid facing him. He will join me very shortly. We will begin with our expert panel. Joining me now, the executive director of the foundation for freedom online and a former state department official, Mike Bence, former CIA whistleblower and host of Deep focus with John Kiriakou. John Kiriakou, the journalist and academic, Michael Tracy, and the host of the Tara Palmeri show, Tara Palmeri. Well, welcome to all of you. Tara. We've spoken a lot throughout this scandal. I've noted today that the Trump administration is now saying, that's it. We've had all the files we're going to get, even though it's believed there are 3 million more that have not been put into the public domain and there's still no real accountability of the highest profile people named in these files. Pam Bondi, the attorney general, issued a lengthy number of names, some of which, obviously, from looking at it, are completely innocent of any criminal behavior. But of all these high profile names that have been named, there's only one person who is languishing in prison, and that's Ghislaine Maxwell. This seems deeply unsatisfactory on so many levels.

[Tara Palmeri]

Yeah, I'd have to agree with you on that, especially considering the FBI had presentations that they were putting together which showed that they had credible tips about a variety of other men and they never went through with those investigations. And I think A lot of people just feel like that, you know, if you read these emails, if you look through the FBI's own investigations, that they could have gone further and they could have actually prosecuted some of these men who have been accused by women in civil cases of rape. And through their meeting, through Jeffrey Epstein, through, I guess, like Leon Black, for example, I mean, he denies the charges that are against him and the cases were dropped. But there are other examples as well inside of the files. And yeah, just nothing has happened. It's just, it's been, I think, not just for the victims, but for everyone, a feeling that this is it. I mean, Pam Bonney just said on Sunday, case closed.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah. Which it clearly isn't. And the problem with that is if you said from the start of this, as the Republicans have, we're going to be completely transparent, and then you're self evidently not being completely transparent. You can't hold back 3 million files and say, that's all you're getting. Right. The conspiracy theories will continue to rage, and I suspect there will be a series of leaks from the files that we haven't seen. So the scandal just continues. Whereas I've always felt if they just went, here you go, redacting victims information that could lead to their identification, but just put everything out there in one hit and say, that's it, that genuinely is it, you can at least have the claim that you've been transparent.

[Tara Palmeri]

Right. And even from the fact that a number of members of Congress like Thomas Massie, Ro Khanna, they've gone into classified briefing rooms to see the files and what was redacted and what they found is that, in fact, they were redacting the name of men. They weren't redacting the names of the victims. And, you know, in a number of instances, these were just men that had some connections to President Trump, some didn't. But there was no reason to redact the word less in front of Wexner, for example, there was no reason to redact the name of a Emirati businessman in the, in the email about the torture video that he enjoyed. And so there's just a number of these examples. And we can only be left to wonder, well, what else? Especially since we know there are 3 million more files that we're probably never going to see, and we don't know why.

[Piers Morgan]

Right. Michael Tracy, you've been, you know, a relatively lone voice out there arguing a lot of the public debate about this, especially around hidden elite networks, intelligence links and so on, is mythologized beyond the evidence. That we've seen from courts, documents, official records and so on. This is not a popular view, but there are some who share it. Why do you feel so convinced of your position on this?

[Michael Tracy]

Because the central tenets of what I've taken to calling the Epstein mythology have simply never been supported by anything close to the degree of credible evidence that would justify the United States, Great Britain and the world now being embroiled in this gigantic pedophilia crisis where people like Tara Palmieri and your next guest, David Boies, are convincing untold millions that there was some enormous child rape atrocity that was perpetrated and covered up at the highest levels of government. This is crazy making stuff. And in fact, it wouldn't be surprising if people who come to believe this stuff and might already have a disposition toward mental illness could enter into a kind of homicidal mania. And so Tara Palmieri, I mean, I would agree with her in that there is a lot more to investigate on this subject, namely the journalistic malfeasance that's been so shockingly rampant, it's incredible. Tara Palmieri journalistically collaborated with Virginia Roberts Giuffre, didn't just use her as a source or as an inspiration, but essentially shared a byline effectively with her on the podcast series that she produced in 2020. They went around the United States saying they were just innocently on this truth seeking mission to find out all that Jeffrey Epstein did to all his innocent victims. And they told the listeners, don't worry, none of this is about bringing any further lawsuits or criminal charges against anybody. So all these men we're trying to track down, they have no reason not to speak to us. Meanwhile, about a year or two later, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who by the way, is one of the most egregious serial fabulous who's ever walked the earth. I know that's controversial, but all the claims that she had to retract the trail of destruction she left in her wake, empowered by people like David Boies and Bradley Edwards, who, by the way, if you want to know what the impediment is to full disclosure of the Epstein files, just look at what David Boies colleague Bradley Edwards has been frantically arguing for the past several months in federal courts in the Southern District of New York about the supposed terror and nightmares that have been unleashed if we have the Epstein files released. On the one hand, they're all sloganeering about release the Epstein files. On the other hand, they don't just want to redact the, quote, victims names. And by the way. What happened to saying alleged victim or purported victim? Virtually none of these people have actually ever been adjudicated as victims. The only criteria that's required by the DOJ to abide by what the frantic victim lawyers are demanding is mere self identification of victimhood. Does the media make any of this clear? And social media all right, let me Pam Bondi is last point. Pierce. When Pam Bondi is being protested last week and everybody's going wild saying oh, all these benighted Epstein victims are standing up and demanding truth and justice, how come it's never pointed out that the vast majority of the people who are visible there, the victims, were adults at the time of their claimed victimization? And yet this is supposed to be some massive pedophile crisis so David Boies can add to his extortion of the British Royal family and now extort JP Morgan for another couple hundred million dollars.

[Tara Palmeri]

When you say all right, it's February, it's cozy season. It's time to give yourself and others some love. And I would recommend heading to Cozy Earth and picking up some very comfortable luxury items for yourself. I'm talking about bamboo pajama sets. I just got a and I can tell you I end up wearing them throughout the day because they are beautiful and you end up sleeping cooler than cotton. It's really good at maintaining your temperature. I also have their sheet set and it is so luxurious it has totally changed my sleep game. You could also try their classic cuddle blanket. Makes your yourself feel cozy and warm. So share a little extra love this February and wrap yourself or someone else you care about and something that truly feels special. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code Tara. That's T A R A for up to 20% off. And if you get a post purchase survey be sure to mention that you heard about Cozy Earth right here on the Tara Palmeri show. Celebrate every day with comfort that makes the little moments count.

[Piers Morgan]

In relation. Okay, in relation. Look, I'm going to go to Tara to respond to that. It's only fair give me I don't even know so aggressively. All I would say and I'll come to the other two panelists in a moment. All I would say about a so called extortion of the British royal family. The reality is that Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, when he was still Prince Andrew, said he'd never met Virginia Giuffre, certainly never had sex with on the three occasions in different places he was accused to do so. He said the picture of them was fabricated et CETERA et cetera, et cetera. He also, in a lengthy interview for the BBC, said he never had anything more to do with Epstein after seeing him in Central park, after his conviction and so on, all of which turned out to be a load of baloney. At the last minute, rather than have his day in court to clear his name, Andrew paid a check reported to be £12 million, to Virginia Giuffre, a woman he claimed he'd never met. The picture we now know from leaked emails by Ghislaine Maxwell in the latest dump of Epstein files where she said were genuine, that picture was taken. Right. And so I'm afraid just on that point alone, I see little extortion and just a bunch of lies from Andrew Mountain, Bat and Windsor to cover his ass. Listening to this, actually, let's stipulate the Ginny G phrase. Well, hang on now, hang on. I gave you a chance to speak and I've responded. We've got a better person to respond, actually, because I'm now joined by David Boies. David, great to have you back on uncensored. It's been six months since I last spoke to you. So much has happened since then in relation to what we've just heard from another panel member, which is that Virginia Duffrey was one of the least reliable witnesses imaginable. What is your response to that?

[David Boies]

Look, you can always find somebody to deny anything. The evidence is just overwhelming. The idea that anybody can, with a straight face, deny that this was a massive sex trafficking scheme, you know, is between absurd and pathetic. We have the testimony of dozens, dozens, many dozens of young women, girls. We have the reports of the police department in Palm Beach. We have photographs, not just the one photograph, but multiple photographs are coming out. We have the emails that set forth at least some of the efforts, including the efforts to bribe witnesses. This is not a close call. And the reason that nobody wants to go to court and that people settle has nothing to do with extortion. It has to do with. No, they don't have a case. If somebody has a case, they can stand up and defend themselves. This is a situation in which all of the evidence is on one side. I'm in a lot of cases that, you know, that are close cases. One side has a point of view, another side has a point of view. There's evidence on both sides and you have to make close calls. This is not one of them.

[Piers Morgan]

David. In relation to Pam Bondi, the Attorney General now saying, that's it. We've had all the Epstein files that is going to be put in the public domain, notwithstanding the fact we've been told there are 3 million more files which will never see the light of day in terms of being put in front of the public. What is your response to that? Does that in any way constitute full transparency on these files?

[David Boies]

Well, it's clearly not full transparency. We haven't begun to have full transparency. We have more transparency, thanks, really, to Congress. We have more transparency than we've had before. And I think you see in the documents that are now being revealed why people fought so hard, powerful people, rich people, politically connected people, powerful people in business, in politics, fought so hard to keep this evidence secret. There's more evidence there. We know there's more evidence there. They're admitting there's more evidence there. Some of the documents that they have produced refer to other documents that have not been produced. So we know that there's more there. And perhaps Congress, perhaps the courts have got to step in and have got to say to the Department of Justice, do your job, be transparent. Legislation, bipartisan legislation was passed requiring the Justice Department to be transparent to produce all these documents. Abiding by the law is part of what makes this country great. It's part of what has made the United States, and before that, United States, the United Kingdom, really a beacon to the world. You can't just ignore the law. And I'm confident that this is not the end of it. I'm confident that we will continue to get to the bottom of things.

[Piers Morgan]

You told me six months ago that you'd looked into the claims of criminal wrongdoing by both President Trump and by former President Bill Clinton. You said you were quite confident neither of them had any involvement of the sex trafficking or any sexual activities first. Is that still your position? From everything you've now seen, from the files that have been put out?

[David Boies]

I've not seen anything that would caused me to change my mind on that. I think that both former President Clinton and President Trump would say that they regret their association with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. I think that there were certainly aspects of poor judgment involved, and I think it was a reflection of how tolerant we were of the abuse of young women and girls that very high placed people would work with, socialize with somebody like Jeffrey Epstein. But I don't see any evidence that either one of them participated in any of the sex trafficking or actually, prior to the time that they stopped dealing with him, really were aware of the sex trafficking.

[Piers Morgan]

The other thing you said to me that you felt There were between 10 and 20 men who you felt the government had enough information, evidence on that would justify at least a serious prosecutorial investigation, and that Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, the former Prince Andrew, was one of these men and was given a pass. Is that still, again, your position?

[David Boies]

Yes. I mean, I think I might amend it. I probably should have amended it six months ago. But 20 men and women, Right. I don't think it's just limited to men, unfortunately.

[Piers Morgan]

So there were women also perpetrating crimes.

[David Boies]

Yes. And certainly engage in activity that is worth investigating. I don't want to try to make a judgment without looking at all the evidence about whether anybody actually committed a crime. But a lot of people acted very wrongfully, improperly, and there's enough evidence of criminality to warrant an investigation.

[Piers Morgan]

Should Andrew Mountbatten Windsor now come to the United States and face the music under oath in front of Congress, in your opinion?

[David Boies]

Absolutely. I think he's got an obligation to tell what he knows. Now, I also think that if he's afraid of being arrested in the United States, we ought to give him safe passage to come to the United States to testify, because I think we don't want there to be any excuse for him not coming and telling what he knows. But he knows a lot. How much I don't know myself because they gave up in the litigation we had against them just before his deposition was supposed to be taken. So I don't think anybody knows how much he knows, but we know he knows a lot from his contact. And whatever he knows, even if it was a little bit, I think he has an obligation to share that.

[Piers Morgan]

Do you believe that Andrew Mountbatten Windsor committed crimes? I mean, obviously you represented Virginia Giuffre. She made very serious allegations of criminal behavior by him against her. Do you believe that he committed crimes?

[David Boies]

I think that it certainly is something that justifies an investigation. What he knew and when he knew it, what he knew about her age, what he knew about the extent to which he was coerced, she was coerced, I think needs to be decided by investigators, prosecutors, and ultimately by judge or jury. He certainly engaged in terribly wrongful conduct. He clearly knew that Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell were trafficking these girls. Now, whether he knew that they were underage, whether he knew that there was force and coercion involved, that is something that is state of mind that I think before I made a judgment on that, I'd want to see more evidence. But it's certainly something that was worth investigating. Whether statute of limitations have now passed, I think is a question. But I have been, as you know, I have been very disappointed in the authorities in the United States and in the United Kingdom for not doing this investigation in a timely way.

[Piers Morgan]

There's been a lot of pressure on King Charles in the UK to take more action against his brother. He has removed his titles and Andrew has now moved from a very luxurious home to a much smaller, but still pretty luxurious home that will be paid for by the king, including a staff and so on. You know, what should King Charles do? A lot of people are asking that question. In your opinion, what should he do?

[David Boies]

I think that's really hard. Andrew has lost his title, he's lost his home, he's lost almost all of his friends. He's lost the ability probably ever to make a living. He is, after all, child's brother. And I think it's a special situation when he's also the king and he's got responsibilities to the nation as well as to his family. But I would not want to be in Charles position.

[Piers Morgan]

You said in 2021 that you may seek to depose Meghan Markle, Prince Harry's wife, as part of Virginia's civil suit against Andrew, as she may have important knowledge about the then prince's behavior. Is that something. Do you still think she may have information that could be useful?

[David Boies]

Oh, I think that's. I think that's quite likely. Now. Whether she has any information that we don't already know, I think is more doubtful. We know so much more now than we did when we started the lawsuit against then Prince Andrew. So whether she has anything to add today, I'd be less certain. But she certainly was in a position to know a lot about Prince Andrew.

[Piers Morgan]

We've also seen the downfall of Lord Mandelson, who was the UK Ambassador to the United States States. He lost his job. He's now being investigated by the British police, not least because he appeared to be trading highly classified information about what the UK government was doing when he was a business minister. So he's in very hot water then. But again, he has so far resisted going to the United States to testify in front of Congress. Do you feel the same way towards him as you would towards Andrew? Given Mandelson's clearly lied about the nature of his relationship with Epstein and was clearly around him, including on the island and everything, for a sustained long period of years?

[David Boies]

I believe that everyone who has information ought to share that information. You still have, as you saw earlier on your program, people who are denying the existence of the facts that are in front of all of US And I think particularly in that context, it's important that everybody who has information come forward and provide that information. Honestly, as I say, I think that I would feel the same way about Lord Mendelssohn as I do about Andrew, that if they're prepared to come to the United States and, and testify under oath, they ought to be free to do that without worrying about that we're going. United States is going to seize them at the border. But I do think they've got an obligation to come forward and perhaps they could even testify. If they didn't want to come to the United States, perhaps they could even testify in the United Kingdom. I believe Congress would send representatives over to the United Kingdom to take their testimony. But one way or another, I think there is no excuse, none for them not providing the evidence that they have. Not providing the information that they have about the sex trafficking.

[Piers Morgan]

No, I completely agree. I had Alan Dershowitz on the show a couple of days ago and he went to great pains, he was obviously Epstein's attorney for a long period of time. He went to great pains to try and defend Epstein's original conviction as not being a confession of being a pedophile. He said that in the end Epstein only pled guilty to soliciting prostitution from a girl of 17 years and 10 months at a 21 year old young woman and said that's not a pedophile. What is your reaction to that? And is he telling the whole story there?

[David Boies]

I don't know why Alan Dershowitz continues to try to defend what is just indefensible. He ought to take responsibility for his actions. He ought to take responsibility for what he told the British press back at the time when he was representing Epstein. I really, I've had my own issues with him and I really don't want to go after him more than I already have. But I don't think it's reasonable to say that he only acted as a lawyer, he acted as a publicist dealing with the press, telling the press incorrectly that Epstein had passed a lie detector test, which he didn't. I think that everybody who is involved with Epstein needs to step up and take responsibility for their role. And I think the more that they deny, I think the worse it is. However, they thought at the time they now know what the facts are and whatever justifications they thought they have, they know those justifications are false. I think that everybody ought to take responsibility for what they did and for their support, assistance of what was going on. So I think Mr. Dershowitz like a lot of other people, would serve themselves a lot better by coming clean.

[Piers Morgan]

And finally, David Boies. Ghislaine Maxwell refused to give any answers to questions before the House Committee last week, but said she may testify in exchange for clemency from President Trump. What's your response to that?

[David Boies]

There is no basis, none, for clemency. To give clemency or pardon to a person who played the role that she did in the victimization of dozens, hundreds of young girls and young women would be a travesty. I think that the chances that President Trump's going to do that are small. But I think if that were to happen, it would be an outrage. She has no position or right to try to bargain for her evidence. The people of the United States, the people of the United Kingdom, the people of the world have a right to know her evidence. And although she has a right against self incrimination, she can be granted immunity for her testimony. That is, she can be granted immunity for the testimony in the sense that the testimony cannot be used against her. But she's already in jail. Nobody needs to use that testimony to convict her. And if she fails to give that testimony after being granted immunity, she can be held in contempt and she can be held contempt and in prison for just as long as necessary. And the special treatment that the administration has given her, taking her out of the ordinary prison, putting her in a much more comfortable prison, is an act of grace. It's an act that I think itself was terrible mistake. But there's no reason, none, to try to coddle her and bargain with her for her testimony.

[Piers Morgan]

I just took a quick look at the prediction markets. Polymarket currently say there's just a 17% chance that anyone will be jailed over Epstein disclosures. Would you agree with that?

[David Boies]

Oh, I hope not. I think that is illustrative of the cynicism that people have about our justice system and the prosecutors. I think that's a reflection of the cynicism that people have about our Justice Department today. The cynicism that more than four out of five people think that our Justice Department is going to give a pass to people because they're rich and powerful. I think that's. I think that's a tragedy.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, it is. David Boies, thank you so much. It's great to have you back on our sense. I appreciate it.

[David Boies]

Thank you. It's good to talk to you.

[Tara Palmeri]

Take the exit, turn right into the drive thru.

[Mike Benz]

Nope, I'm making dinner tonight.

[Tara Palmeri]

You don't have time? Josh has practice.

[Piers Morgan]

Oh, that's Right.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'll just get a salad and fries.

[Piers Morgan]

No, just the salad.

[Tara Palmeri]

But salad cancels. Fries.

[Piers Morgan]

Salad only. Fries. Salad, fries.

[Tara Palmeri]

Food noise isn't fair, but mochi health is the affordable glp One source that puts you on the road to successful weight loss.

[Piers Morgan]

Hey, can I get the fries?

[Mike Benz]

Salad. Sorry.

[Tara Palmeri]

Learn [e-mail] Mochi members have access to licensed physicians and nutritionists. Results may vary.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, let's go back to the. The panel there. We bring in John Kiriakou. I mean, David Boies is always extraordinarily impressive. He's one of the great criminal lawyers in modern American history with an extraordinary track record. What did you make of what he was saying there?

[John Kiriakou]

Oh, I. I agreed with everything he said. You know, it's. It's like we never learn from history peers. We didn't learn from Watergate or for. From Iran contra that the COVID up of the crime is. Is almost always worse than the crime. It's always better just to be honest because the truth will out eventually anyway. So just be honest. If there are 3 million more documents, by God, release the 3 million more documents. Let's let justice run its course. And I want to agree with another thing he said. I thought that. That Ghislaine Maxwell was already given her gift when she was transferred from a low security prison to a minimum security prison. There's an internal bureau of prisons policy that prohibits people convicted of child sex crimes from serving their time in a minimum security prison because minimum security prisons have no bars on the windows, no locks on the doors. You're free to come and go as you please. You're just on your honor not to abscond. They can't be sent to maximum or medium security prisons because they'll be killed there in many cases. So they have to go to low security prisons which are secure but not minimum. She's in a minimum, and she's the only child sex criminal in a minimum security prison. It's just wrong.

[Piers Morgan]

It is completely outrageous. And on the other point that I discussed the other day, and Alan dershowitz vehemently denied this, but there's growing evidence from these leaked documents that Epstein was working with Israel in some capacity. Do you believe he was a full fledged Mossad agent?

[John Kiriakou]

I've said from the very beginning, including right here on the show, that I've always believed he was a Mossad access agent. Maybe not polygraphed, formally recruited, but he was working on behalf of Mossad, I believe, to. To get them access to important people and. And. And help closely held information that they otherwise would not have had access to. But now we also know from the the latest tranche of documents that he had actively sought contact with the CIA and the FBI and that he had sought contact with MI5 and MI6 and possibly even the Germans. So he was out there as what we would call in the intelligence community an intelligence broker. Somebody who has a little bit of information or access to information and is looking to see who is willing to pay what for it.

[Piers Morgan]

Mike Benz, thank you for your patience in waiting so long to talk. You're a former U.S. state Department official. You served in the first Trump administration. You've become more critical of the government since then. First of all, your reaction to David Boies and that interview we just did.

[Mike Benz]

Well, I think it's generally right. There's the question of. I'm more concerned about, as John pointed out, the COVID up. I think it's been. I'm not sure what the point of trying to contest the sort of evil nature of what was done. That to me matters much less than the protection of it by institutions in our government, whether they be the Justice Department, the FBI, intelligence services, or oligarchs on the outside who want to hide their own relations. That, to me is really what the heart of the scandal has moved to in the seven years after his death. In the absence of questions, what I would add is that Congress can actually take an additional step with the. I'm reminded of the George Bush 2003 speech. Mission accomplished after we invaded Iraq. This is kind of what this feels like to say we've turned over everything. Mission accomplished. By the way, there's 3 million more files. We have zero information from the Central Intelligence Agency or the State Department. The State Department actually leased Jeffrey Epstein a five story mansion that he stayed in for free for extended periods after it seized it from the government of Iran. While Jeffrey Epstein's own personal history in the CIA and foreign intelligence adjacent spaces date back to the 1970s and the kind of Iran, Middle Eastern and Latin American operations there. It seems very obvious at this point that there are entire troves both within DOJ and CIA and State that need to be turned over. What can be done right now, I think to move the ball forward in both what David was saying and what folks like John mentioned here is in 1992, after the outpouring of anger that happened after Oliver Stone's JFK movie, there was a bill passed by Congress. It was called the John F. Kennedy Records Collection act that forced the CIA to turn over or to Set up an independent auditing board to begin the process of reviewing and declassifying documents so you can do the same mechanism here. If the Justice Department is saying there's 3 million we're not turning over, pass another bill. Who's going to be on the other side of it? This one passed 427 to 1 in the House and 99 to 0 in the Senate. Pass a bill and force them to be reviewed by an independent auditing board. And don't just make it DOJ FBI. Extend it to the intelligence services the same way that both chambers of Congress passed in 1992 around JFK.

[Piers Morgan]

Fascinating. Michael Tracy, was there anything David Boyce said giving you pause for thought?

[Michael Tracy]

I have to say, Piers, I'm a bit disappointed that you didn't ask him a single challenging question. I invite you to ask me any challenging question you'd like, but. And you'd think that given David Boy's stature and him being hailed as this legendary criminal attorney, that maybe he could tolerate one or two probing questions that might be outstanding. Such as? Among these files that have been Produced as of January 30th are a memo that memorializes internal deliberations amongst prosecutors in the Southern District of New York in which they frankly convey that they are stunned as to how outlandishly non credible Virginia Roberts Giuffre was when they interviewed her in September 2019. This memo is December 2019. David Boies represented Virginia, including as to the lawsuit that was brought against Prince Andrew. And yes, it was an extortionist lawsuit, but the British royal family is incredibly feckless. They are not going to challenge any of the premises that are being marshaled against him to foment this mass hysteria and moral panic. And therefore, everybody takes the resolution of that lawsuit to mean that there was some concession to Prince Andrew's guilt. Even if we want to stipulate that he did have some sort of sexual contact with Virginia Roberts Giuffre when it was alleged to have taken place, she would have been above the legal age of consent in England. And yet we're told this is a giant pedophilic sex trafficking crisis. But you know what? The files show us that the government investigators who are on a warpath at this point against Epstein and then Maxwell discovered no credible evidence of any pedophilic sex trafficking or any sex trafficking at all to any third party individuals, which was the crux of the mythology that Virginia Roberts Giuffre incubated that Tara Palmieri amplified so lamentably credulously and that David Boies actualized in the legal filings that he carried out on her behalf. This is outrageous.

[Piers Morgan]

All right?

[Michael Tracy]

This is a fraud that's been perpetrated on the public by a conspiracy. You know what the conspiracy is? The conspiracy is this unthinking, brainless hysteria combined with journalistic credulity, combined with an unwillingness to do any actual research as to the facts and evidence and to treat David Boies like you just did. Now, why didn't you ask him about the 30% in attorney's fees that he's. That he convinced Judge Rakoff in the Southern District of New York to reward him for his almost 350 plus million dollar lawsuits against Deutsche bank and JP Morgan. That he's now trying to extract even more from bank of America. Which is why. Because he doesn't want to undercut his page.

[Piers Morgan]

Do you know what I'm hear? I'm hearing it.

[Tara Palmeri]

Can I ask a question?

[Piers Morgan]

I'm hearing a lot of conspiracy theories, but they're all coming out of your mouth. Let me give the final word to Tara, because he keeps the conspiracy theory that I postulate. When he's not lecturing me about my interview skills, he's lecturing you about your journalistic skills. So your response to that and to what David Boies had to say.

[Michael Tracy]

Please, please, Tara. Go ahead, defend it.

[Tara Palmeri]

I don't know. Michael, have you ever actually listened to any of the. The tapes at the Palm Beach. You know, the police in Palm beach, the detective. Have you listened to any of the girls that they interviewed that were as young as. Yeah. And you think that they're not listening to it all? Tara, you don't think that entire pyramid scheme and in a high school, do.

[Michael Tracy]

You think Virginia Roberts giuffreight's credible? She had nothing to do with that initial Palm beach investigation. We're talking about your former journalistic collaborator who had to recant allegations against Dershowitz. Had to recant her allegations against.

[Piers Morgan]

Let her speak, please.

[Michael Tracy]

Harvard Professor Stephen Cosland recanted against John Luke Brunel. So you defend the credit.

[Piers Morgan]

Let her speak. Or cut your mind.

[Michael Tracy]

Your journalistic collaborator.

[John Kiriakou]

Go ahead.

[Tara Palmeri]

Do you work. Who do you work for, Michael? Because I've never met anyone in my entire life who would. So. Yeah, like, who's paying you? Who do you work for? I think a lot of people are wondering this because I've never seen anyone quite like you going after victims of sex crimes and attacking them like this. So you must be being paid by someone in power who does not like these accusations that have been made against them. And I think. I think it's fair to ask. Are you being paid by any of the men who've been accused by Jeffrey Epstein?

[Michael Tracy]

I'm having trouble hearing right now. I wish I could respond to whatever nonsense she just blurted out.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm asking you if you have ever been paid.

[Michael Tracy]

What defamatory nonsense. But maybe somebody can.

[Piers Morgan]

Astonishing. An astonishing. An astonishing coincidence that you suddenly lost your hearing when you were asked a very difficult question and rather telling. I may say I heard a. Okay, I'm not saying you didn't get cut.

[Tara Palmeri]

I'm just saying if he can hear you, can you ask him that question? Because he can't hear me, but maybe he can hear you asking that question.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, I think it's a. Michael, can you hear me?

[Michael Tracy]

Did you just hear me? Very faintly. Did you just allege that I'm somehow implicated in the Epstein criminality, or did I mishear you?

[Tara Palmeri]

I asked if you were.

[Piers Morgan]

Tara asked if you're being. Tara asked if you're being paid by anybody to smear the victims of the.

[Michael Tracy]

Epstein rather than defend the merits of her journalistic output, which she can't because that's indefensible. What does she do? She tries to impugn me personally. Tries to imply or.

[Tara Palmeri]

You're not answering the.

[Piers Morgan]

What's the answer to the question.

[Michael Tracy]

Of course I'm not being paid by anyone. I am paid by my readers. On subject Stack, you idiot. You just can't engage on the merits. Tara. You are disgraced as somebody who is integral in fomenting this moral panic and mass hysteria that's led to mass defamation like you just tried against me. You know how Rona and Thomas Massie got caught a few days ago accusing a random auto mechanic in New York and a random IT Manager of having been complicit in pedophilic sex crimes. You're just following on in that tradition which is so emblematic of how this issue has functioned in popular. I'm gonna give Tara weaponized political.

[Piers Morgan]

Tara, let me just.

[Michael Tracy]

Of course, Piers. I resent the implication. I resent the question. I asked her straightforward questions about her own journalism.

[Piers Morgan]

Yeah, okay, I'm going to Tara now.

[Michael Tracy]

Aspect of it.

[Piers Morgan]

You don't just get to talk about.

[Michael Tracy]

A whole little defamation song and dance. Because she can't act in. Engage in an intelligent way. Because there's no defense.

[Piers Morgan]

Tara, let me.

[Tara Palmeri]

No, there is.

[Michael Tracy]

Nor for David.

[Piers Morgan]

Tara, let's talk about.

[Tara Palmeri]

I can talk about my reporting on the broken Jeffrey Epson Tara, let me.

[Piers Morgan]

Ask you, Tara, you don't need to justify your reporting. It's been excellent on the whole scandal.

[Michael Tracy]

Why not?

[Piers Morgan]

Tara, let me just ask you.

[Michael Tracy]

I'll justify.

[Piers Morgan]

What was your. Let me ask, Tara. Tara, what was your response to David Boies interview?

[Tara Palmeri]

Finally, you know, I think David Boies has done a lot of incredible work. And I know that to go after, you know, the Crown is. Was a really big deal, especially for his firm. They're obviously one of the biggest firms in the world. And so to Target, you know, the monarchy is a really big deal when you have offices in London. And that can affect, as anyone would know as a lawyer. So. And I think it's great that his partner. I'm blanking on her name right now. She's really earned the trust of the victims. And, and they're really hard cases to pursue. I mean, when you go after the most powerful people in the world, you can't represent them either. And when you have a top, when you have a white shoe law firm, it's like, how are you supposed to do, how are you supposed to do that? So I think it's incredible. I think it's very commendable. Excuse me. And there's still so much more to do, though. There's still so many more places to go. And unfortunately, I just don't see it coming from the Southern District of New York. Like in particular with Leon Black. I mean, the man who was picked to replace Leon Black by Leon Black himself, like he picked his own successor. And that man is Jay Clayton. And now Jay Clayton is running the Southern District of New York. He is the lead prosecutor. And is he really going to do an investigation into the guy who picked him to succeed him at Apollo Management when he had to step down, when, when Leon Block had to step down because of Epstein. An Epstein investigation found that he paid Epstein $150 million to do estate planning. It's just everything is so incestuous. And how are we supposed to trust that power will police itself? We can't. And that's.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, that's where journalists, you know what, that's where journalists like you come in and where lawyers like David Boies come in. I've got to leave it there. Thank you all very much indeed.

[Tara Palmeri]

That was another episode of the Tara Palmieri Show. I hope you learned a lot. It was interesting to say. Nonetheless, of course you can support me in my mission as an independent journalist by following subscribing to this show. Just hit that button. It's easy sharing it with your friends go to tarapaumieri.com My journalism is great. You can get it straight to your inbox. The exclusives I always am trying to find news, and I hope you find that valuable and useful. And of course, becoming a paid subscriber to the Red Letter is how you can support independent journalism. Them And I want to thank my producer, Eric Abenate. I want to thank Abby Baker, who does my socials, and she's researching and booking, doing all great things. I want to thank Adam Stewart, who does the graphics, and Dan Rosen, my manager. See you again soon.