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Well, actually there is some breaking news that just happened and it's not related to Iran, but I do think it's worth commenting on. Democrats have decided that South Carolina is going to be their first primary state. That's a big deal.
C
Interesting. Yeah, I think that's, I think that's probably good. Does that differentiate from caucus? Is there still going to be an earlier caucus or is it going to be the first?
B
I just saw the headline, so let me just make sure I've got this. To hold the first presidential primary.
C
Okay.
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So is there an Iowa caucus? You're right. That's a good question. Let's say key. Abby sending me some reporting. Key. Democrats have pushed for the state as a signal of black voters importance, especially after the Supreme Court's gutting of the Voting Rights Act. The end result elevates South Carolina over rivals like Nevada and New Hampshire which will still be allowed to hold early nominating contests and likely pushes Iowa out of the early voting window altogether.
C
Wow. Okay. About time. Sorry.
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Iowa members also granted Michigan the ability to hold an early contest and they could add two more states before the day is done. People.
C
Wow.
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Yeah. So this has been actually a pretty big struggle between Nevada and South Carolina. Nevada is actually more of a Latino state and a lot of California people live there as well. Different. You know, it's a different, it is a different type of voter yes. So it's basically with giving Latino voters or the black voters the right to pick a candidate. That would give them some momentum. I'm thinking to myself, this will help Kamala Harris, who, believe it or not, is still in the polling, the Democratic frontrunner, despite losing in the last election and coming in eighth in the primary and the one prior to that. Yeah, she's a Democratic frontrunner. Right behind her is Gavin Newsom. And I think Nevada would have helped Gavin Newsom, because a lot of Californians live in. Go to Nevada. They retire there, they go there, or they go the other way around, or they go to gamble there. This is an interesting plot twist. What do you think?
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Yeah, well, look, I'm all for a more representative early state, so I. I think it is a. A good thing. And I've participated in the Iowa caucuses as I think it's an observer. There's a special title. Obviously, I wasn't caucusing, but there's something magical about that. But I think even Iowans would acknowledge it's not exactly a representative state when compared to a place like South Carolina, where I have lived in a state I love. So probably a good thing in the end for the Democratic Party.
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I'm seeing a few different comments, but who. Who in the. We're seeing some John Ossoff for president, a lot of here, some. Some downwards on Kamala. I'd love to hear what you guys are all thinking. It is interesting because, I mean, Latino voters are obviously up for grabs right now for Democrats. Latino voters helped Republicans and they are increasingly conservative, so they sort of left that on the table, which is interesting. I actually covered the. The fish fry out in South Carolina, Jim Claybourne's fish fry. And whoever he endorses at that is crucial. I mean, he's the king maker out there, right? Yeah. So it's all. We are. We're in. Guys, it's 20, 28 politics, and it's happening right now. Giving you all the news
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Yeah, it's a. It's a thing. Today is Mary Goff says if Kamala stops taking apac, I will consider OSSOF or Newsom. Now Newsom's. I was surprised to see that in most polls, it's Kamala one, and then Newsom and Buttigieg are right behind her. Yeah, We will see. Might be Kamala versus J.D. vance.
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Oh, God help us. Well, on the J.D. vance side, yeah. I mean, I think Trump is gonna be. Be kingmaker. I don't think he has to run again because he'll make sure that his, his acolyte grabs the torch. Yeah, well, I, I, whoever the nominee is, I think the running mate is going to be a Trump loyalist, meaning a member of the family, someone who's been plucked.
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I actually think the sleeper is a bonka and no one's paying attention.
C
Yeah, no, I think you're right. That's who I think the running mate is.
B
Not even the running mate. I think she tries to run. I think she's a sleeper. She's made it known to people. I know she sees herself that way.
C
Good God, I'm sure she does.
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Ivanka, anyone in the comments? By the way, this is Ken Harbo. He is a former Navy pilot. He has served for nine years. We're here to talk about Iran, but things happen. And we gotta also comment on the news as it breaks. But I wanted to bring it to you first. And that's part of truly why it's great to watch live with me. And of course, guys, you can support the show by becoming a member. I've got a whole membership program. It's like a on the record, off the record. We've got deep background background. It's just like in a newsroom. It's a membership program I just opened up and started. So please consider becoming a member to support independent journalism. No shadowy funders here, just me working for you. And I'm excited about what we're building for the future. So with your support, we can make that all happen. And Ken has been so generous for this time. So thank you for joining, Ken, and really feel like every time you come on the show, we learn so much and it's a great perspective to have. And thank you for your service. Most of all, thank you.
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Great being here.
In this breaking-news-driven episode, Tara Palmeri dives into the Democratic National Committee’s (DNC) landmark decision to make South Carolina the first primary state in the 2028 presidential election cycle. With live reactions and rapid-fire analysis, Tara and guest Ken Harbo discuss the deep political implications of this move—specifically, how it could shape the fortunes of Vice President Kamala Harris and shift the power dynamics among Democratic contenders. The conversation also touches on broader trends in Democratic and Republican strategies, including the shifting roles of key demographics and speculation about emerging candidates for both parties.
On South Carolina’s new prominence:
"Democrats have pushed for the state as a signal of black voters’ importance..." —Tara Palmeri [01:41]
On Kamala Harris’s prospects:
"This will help Kamala Harris, who... is still in the polling, the Democratic frontrunner, despite losing in the last election." —Tara Palmeri [02:54]
On changing voter coalitions:
"Latino voters are obviously up for grabs right now for Democrats... and they are increasingly conservative, so they sort of left that on the table, which is interesting." —Tara Palmeri [04:07]
On Republican 2028 field:
"I think Trump is gonna be kingmaker... he'll make sure that his, his acolyte grabs the torch." —Ken Harbo [05:31]
"I actually think the sleeper is Ivanka and no one's paying attention." —Tara Palmeri [05:59]
Tara maintains her trademark brisk, incisive, and unsparing analysis—layering breaking news with deeper structural questions about party politics. The tone is fast-moving, conversational, sometimes irreverent (“Good God, I’m sure she does,” on Ivanka’s ambitions – Ken Harbo [06:14]), and always plugged into the insider debate.
Listeners are left with a clear sense that the 2028 race is being shaped right now—by foundational decisions on primary calendars, by demographic targeting, and by the early positioning of both Democratic and Republican hopefuls. This episode is essential for anyone tracking the machinations and maneuverings at the top of American politics in the lead-up to 2028.